Wade Martin: Former Top Producer Exposes the Dark Side of Fame, Sex & the Music Industry | DSH #1643

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me. They really do.
I mean, women have always had a tendency of being a little bit narcissistic, the pretty ones especially. But today, women are just beyond narcissistic.

Like, how many selfies a day do you need to post? They're so self-absorbed.

And I feel sorry for them because what's going to end up happening is they're going to grow old and realize that, oh, crap, I'm old.

And they're going to lose their value to the men that have been taking them on trips giving them money or what have you it's not going to be a happy ending for them

okay guys got wade here this is actually his first interview ever which is pretty crazy considering all the things this man has done in his life but thanks for choosing my platform man well for sure first podcast first podcast yes yes yes and i'm honored to be here thank you yeah because you've had a lot of uh experience been in a lot of industries 25 years as a music producer Yeah, 25.

That's a quarter of a decade, man. Yeah, I know, I know.
And they were painful years.

The whole way through or near the later end?

Honestly, most of it. Most of it.

I had an addiction to, you know, cars, women, you know, and those things are expensive. Right.

So there was a point where I had to take on certain gigs for money. Not that I wanted to, but, you know, I was like, again, driven by I need the nice house and nice cars and what have you.

And toward the end of my career, I got to the point where I fortunately accumulated enough pennies together to where I didn't need to, you know, do that anymore.

And I think the straw that broke the camel's back, Sean, was when I was in studio about four or five years ago with this influencer that was,

I was producing for Universal.

And she was 17 years old.

I'm not going to name names, but she was 17 years old, never released a record before in her life, had, I don't know, somewhere like 15 million followers or something like that. I don't know.

Anyway, so I was in the studio with her and she was literally telling me how to do my job in the studio.

And after all the things that, you know, Britney Spears put me through at the beginning of my career and all that, I was, I got to a point where I was like, you know what? I'm done.

I told her, I'm done. And she was like, what? And I was like, get out of the studio.
I've had enough. And And paid a fine to Universal Studios for not completing the contract.

I was like, you know, I'm done. And that was, again, the straw that broke the camel's back.
I just didn't want to deal with artists anymore. And technically speaking, she wasn't an artist.

She was a, she was a creator. Right.

But she thought she was an artist. I was like, you've not sold one record in your life.
What are you doing?

Yeah, it's interesting with artists. They just seem to develop an ego over time, I guess, with all this success.
Huge. And then they take it out on the the people around them.
Yeah, huge ego. Huge.

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And I dealt with it for 25 years. I don't know how.
When I reflect back on it, oh my gosh,

I had the patience of a saint to be able to put up with it. Because in essence, as a music producer, you're a glorified babysitter.
You're, you know, that's what you're doing.

You're managing the talent. You're managing the music, the production, the recording,

and then you're managing the personality and all that sort of stuff. And it just becomes a nightmare over time.
Yeah. Now, you were a DJ as well, right? Yes.
Yes, I was.

So

I want to say I'm going to be hazy on the

timeline here because my memory is awful. But I remember watching Calvin Harris

go from a music producer to a DJ.

And initially, I thought that that was a sacrilege thing to do because as a music producer, you know, I came up the old school way.

You're supposed to cultivate the talent, stand behind the talent, and lift the talent up. Calvin Harris flipped it.
He decided that he was going to be the talent and he was going to have the singers.

um you know be behind him which was actually a genius idea because ultimately he was able to cash in on these lucrative dj contracts right

so i mean i looked at that and i was thinking to myself well that's not what a music producer is supposed to do You know, it's supposed to be, you know, Britney Spears and then the song title.

And he would basically have, you know, Britney Spears and then his name and then the song title or vice versa, right?

And

then I saw these lucrative contracts and I was thinking to myself, well, the royalties of my catalogue is definitely dwindling. So I need to prop up my financial situation.

So I was like, well, I'm going to do the same thing. So I started marketing myself as an artist, even though I was acting as a producer.
Got it. And

that way I was able to secure lucrative contracts DJing. Smart.
And you got to the point where you had 83 billboards at one time in Vegas? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was known as the billboard guy for a few years. And,

you know, again,

if you would have asked me 10 years prior, would I have done something like that? I would have said, absolutely not. because I wouldn't want the attention.

But again, I was monetizing the situation and getting not like Calvin Harris money, but I think the most I got paid was like 85K for a 90-minute set. Holy crap.

Believe it or not, at the time, Calvin House was getting, Harris was getting 400,000 for a 20-minute set. For a 90-minute set.

Yes, he was getting $400,000. So insane.
Yeah, so I was like, I'll take the 80,000. You know what I mean? So it ended up working out fine.
Holy crap.

I didn't know DJs were making that much back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think Marshmallow topped out at 600,000 for a set back when uh chaos was around, and they're doing multiple sets a day, right? Yeah, yeah.

Um, I mean, obviously, chaos couldn't afford to pay marshmallow that, which is why the contract ended and the whole thing imploded.

But uh, yeah, now times have changed, though, because I just read an article that nightclubs are struggling and they can't afford DJs. Is that true? I don't know.

When I retired four years ago, I completely disconnected myself from

anything to do with the entertainment business, honestly. Wow, Wow.
Yeah. So it messed you up that badly that you were just like.
I'm scarred. I'm scarred.
I'm scarred to the point now where

I don't have any celebrity friends anymore. I've removed them from my life.
Wow. Yeah.
Almost cut them out like a cancer.

I know that's a horrible, horrible, judgmental thing to say, but just like celebrities are, to me, demonic. Do you think that's every single celebrity? Like,

no, that's not fair to say, but a majority. A majority, a majority.
And I think I've just got PTSD

to the point where now I just don't want to be around a celebrity. I don't care if it's a movie star.
I don't care if it's an artist, what have you.

And a lot of people that I'm around is like, oh, we're going to go see so-and-so and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I'm so over it.
I just don't want to do it. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess to get to that point of fame, you have to sell yourself out in a way, right? Yeah. Like they call it selling your soul or whatever.
And to an extent, I think it's true. Yeah.

100%.

I mean, there are some, you know, like, for example, Paul McCartney, super sweet guy.

A lot of your viewers probably won't know who that is.

But Beatles,

again, a very huge star. Super humble, very polite,

would be attentive whenever you're talking to him.

Won't be like gazing off, wondering, you know,

who's the next person they need to talk to. You know what I mean? So very genuine in nature.
So they do exist, but usually they're the old school people, not the new generation.

Did you like the fame back in the day when you were in that industry? Like, did you like being around famous people?

That's a great question. I don't think I really thought about it

because the way it would work is they would come to my studio and I was there to do a job.

You know what I mean?

So I didn't really have the luxury of indulging this, you know, oh, I'm enjoying being around this person that everyone knows because i'm like i'm i'm having to uh make sure that the record label is happy an r is happy that the artist is happy making sure that i'm doing my job correctly i'm juggling all of these different things at the same time so i'm not really indulging the personal feeling of oh this is cool i'm working with so-and-so got it so you treated it strictly as a business yeah for the most part yeah respect yeah now it's probably when social media was just emerging so it didn't matter as much i guess to yeah correct correct Is it like, cause, you know, a lot of folks would ask me today, it's like, oh, do you have pictures with so-and-so?

I was like, well, you know, 15 years ago, it wasn't like this whole selfie with a person thing. It just wasn't like that.
You know what I mean? Whereas now everyone's taking a picture of everything.

Oh, look, I'm eating this food. Oh, I'm taking a crap.
Oh, look, you know what I mean? They're taking pictures of everything. But it wasn't like that then.
And you had eight studios you built out.

Two of them were ranked number one and number seven in the world. Number one, number seven.
Yeah, not all at one time.

At one time, I did have the number one ranked studio and the number seven ranked studio uh the number one was here in veggie the other one was uh in phoenix oh wow um yeah i got into building my own recording studios i i liked it i liked um knowing everything about you know the construct of where i'm recording and acoustics and all of that sort of stuff so i was really hip to that that's interesting i didn't know vegas had the number one studio back in the day yeah yeah i did uh based on uh sound and sound and and mix magazine's review which those magazines are obsolete now now shout out to today's sponsor quince as the weather cools i'm swapping in the pieces that actually gets the job done that are warm durable and built to last quince delivers every time with wardrobe staples that'll carry you through the season they have false staples that you'll actually want to wear like the hundred percent mongolian cashmere for just 60 they also got classic fit denim and real leather and wool outerwear that looks sharp and holds up by partnering directly with ethical factories and top artisans quince cuts out the middleman to

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Kind of like, you know, the audiophile side of music is kind of obsolete, also. Yeah, a lot's changed.
Yeah, absolutely. Everyone's recording on laptops now.

So the need for recording studios is basically gone bye-bye. Damn.
So are all those out of business now? For the most part, most of the major recording studios are gone. You know what I mean?

They're not needed anymore because, well, technology, you know, I mean, crikey, it's like you can do virtually anything on a laptop now.

And the power of a laptop supersedes the power of like the supercomputer that I had running my studio 10 years ago. Holy crap.
You know, it just technology.

Did you see that change coming at all or was it super broke? Oh, you did? Yeah, I did. I saw the change coming in the early 2000s, actually.

I had a commercial studio that I built in Beverly Hills, across from the Beverly Center, actually.

And I was getting a quarter of a million dollar contracts roughly from most of the major record labels to record an album, which, you know, your viewers probably won't know what an album is.

An album is a collection of usually, you know, 10 to 16 songs, you know, that would be called an album. Again, I'm trying to educate here.
So

what happened was my lucrative contracts were doing these albums, and I was probably netting, I don't know, maybe like $120,000, $130,000. So I was, my, my profit margin was good.

But what happened was almost overnight, these same record labels were farming out

album deals to me. And they're like, you know, would you take $80,000? So from quarter of a million dollars to all of a sudden $80,000.

And what was happening was these click producers that were using at the time Garage Band and all of this other

platforms were in essence

doing pre-production in their bedrooms.

And these record labels saw this as an opportunity to, because obviously pre-production, when you're creating song ideas, a lot of time gets spent in pre-production.

That got, you know, sucked up by these kids in bedrooms,

which

caused the record labels to think, aha, you know, we're going to improve our P ⁇ L and make our shareholders happy by reducing our cost of production by using these kits. And I was like, shit, my

lease at the time was, I think it was like. $70,000 a month, $60,000 a month, something like that.

And I was like, well, I mean, that overhead is not that bad when you're doing a couple of quarter million dollar deals a month.

I mean, so not that bad. But I looked at this and I talked to my, you know, fellow record recording studio buddies.
I was like, guys, I see the rising on the wall. This is going to get worse.

As technology improves, these kids are going to become more and more proficient and are going to be able to undercut us to the point where we're not going to be able to sustain our overheads.

So I immediately got rid of the studio and I started building recording studios in my home. Oh, so I, you know, brought down my overhead.

Wow, that's smart because a lot of people wouldn't look at it objectively. Yeah, I mean, I could, I just saw it as getting worse.

And even at that time in the early 2000s, the quality was becoming greatly diminished, which you can understand because, like, you go from being in a studio with very talented writers in a multi-million dollar studio, and you're doing this pre-production, the quality is going to be vastly superior than a kid that's playing with fruity loops, like, you know, mashing things together.

You know what I mean? I mean, it's just a matter of time before the love and the passion gets taken out of music.

So like when you look at music today, and I sound like an old guy here, but when you look at music today, there is a definite quality decline in the production and the writing. I agree.

Music today just doesn't hit the same.

I don't get that emotional connection anymore. Yeah.
I remember when,

and I'm a big Justin Timberlake fan. I remember when Justin Timberlake sent me a rough version of his suit and tie record.
I think it was 10 years ago. I forget.

Again, don't quote me on the timeline of things. So he sent this over to me.
And I thought it was extraordinarily creative.

I liked it, but the sound was very two-dimensional. It sounded like shit, basically.

And I told him that. I was like, you know, just do me a favor, compare the sound quality of Michael Jackson's Billie Jean to the sound quality of Suit and Ty.

And for anyone listening or watching this podcast, I do the same thing. Billie Jean sounds like this, right? And Suit and Ty sounds like this, except

Billie Gene came out like almost 40 years prior. So you would would hope and you would think because of the advancement of time, the sound quality is going to be much better.
Yeah.

Nope. Interesting.
Yep. It's that worse.
That much worse. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. I mean,

technology hasn't advanced to that. And the consumer really doesn't demand like the highest quality audio because the consumer's ears has basically been, has deteriorated systematically over time.

There's not that expectation of this million dollar wall of sound coming at you. You know what I mean? That is very interesting.
Yeah, music industry changed a lot, man. That's all I got to say.

I don't even think you listen to any modern music based off what you're saying. I don't.
I don't. It's

modern music today, it's

again, it's very sterile. There's a lack of love

and passion behind it. Everything is beyond cookie cutter.
And everyone is chasing a formula, a trend, right? No one's doing something just because they feel like doing something, you know.

And like, whenever I go online, and even when I look at, you know, podcasts or whatever it is, you know, everyone's rinse and repeat, they're doing the same thing and copying the same trend.

And no one's really thinking for themselves creatively like they used to. Yep, yeah.
Even with podcasts, a lot of people share the same 10, 25 guests.

You know, they just do the circuit, you know, the same interview over and over. I agree with that.
What was it like working with Britney at the peak of her career, Britney Spears?

It was

challenging because Brittany,

she was

a little nuts. Well, she's still a little nuts, but

I got to see the nuts behind the closed door. At that time, people didn't realize how

the poor thing was very chemically imbalanced back then. Oh, so even back then? Oh, yeah, very much so.
But she had

Jamie, her father,

and Larry Rudolph, the manager, her manager, had her under lock and key.

You know, didn't allow her to

demonstrate, you know, how her personality can be or could be.

And in the studio with her was very challenging because

she knew,

this is to her credit, she knew that she wasn't a Christina Aguilera.

She knew she wasn't a vocal talent, you know, so a lot of times in the studio, I would like have to prop her self-esteem up a little bit to maximize her performance, get the best out of her. Wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, there was a lot of insecurity there.
And granted, because like, you know, she's been pushed and pulled her out throughout her entire life.

So, you know, there's going to be self-esteem issues that exist there. That's interesting, man.
I did not know she was dealing with self-esteem issues. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.

I mean, the poor thing.

Because because she was like one of the most iconic singers back in the day 100 100 you know and very bubbly personality and what have you and um but yeah but then again when you really get down to it sean most of these artists i want to say i'm not going to put a number on it but i'm going to put a number on it 99 of artists are probably insecure really yeah absolutely um and uh they act out uh and treat people like crap because they're you know they're insecure that is nuts yeah i mean you've you've worked with some of the biggest 50 cent dmx r kelly rolling stones snoop dog coolio the list goes on if you've seen it all i have i have and nothing surprises me anymore yeah yeah holy crap dmx i still bump once in a while oh yeah absolutely uh dmx uh by far was the most talented rapper i i've ever worked with really oh yeah absolutely yeah the guy had a lot of demons obviously but um yeah the most talented rapper I've ever worked with, hands down.

I mean, I remember when he first got in the booth, he was just doing like a demo in my studio, which was in my Phoenix studio.

I had to adjust the microphone and compression so many times because he would perform. as though there was 20,000 people in front of him.

To say that he was giving it all is an understatement.

And it was challenging to record him because like was all over the place.

And this was just a demo. And a lot of it, you know, so for example, oh, he just wrote this down and he would just, you know, spit it out.
You know what I mean?

And he could be, but he could have been like high and drunk and he would still deliver the most amazing performance. Yeah.
You could feel the emotion in his music. Oh, God.
Yeah. Yeah.
DMX hands down.

Before my basketball games, I bumped DMX to get angry. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
He has that effect, doesn't he? Yeah, he does great at that.

Now you're working on a, so you retired four years ago. Now you're working on your own show, right? Yeah, that's one of the things that I'm doing.
I mean, when I retired four years ago

and I was done with the entertainment business, I realized a couple of months into my retirement that I was probably going to end up killing myself with hookers, cocaine, and alcohol.

I mean, yeah, I was doing it every single day.

uh doing those things every single day and i was like this is not going to be good for my health so i need to find some purpose right yeah um so i started uh building this new company called cheetah ito which is a potent digestive enzyme uh and i i wanted to do something to scale a business like some of my buddies that have done so in in like business i was like well you know i can do that and uh it brought purpose to my life because like I had something to manage, something to build, you know?

And then recently I've started my own show that i'm calling uh wade martin's video thingy and again i'm i'm doing that for fun like i don't really care if anyone watches it or not but like i wanted to do something educational and humorous um at the same time yeah first episode was about coke yeah cocaine second episode anal third episode with third episode is going to be about foreskin

and what what goes into these like your own personal stories with it or yeah personal stories uh educational stuff history of of stuff you know what i mean uh like uh the anal one like i like do a demonstration of how to how to douche your bottom and stuff like that just like you know just having fun having a laugh you know what i mean that's what it really boils down to but you know i do spend uh a considerable amount of time on chat gtp um making sure that the information that i'm sharing is accurate you know what i mean so

yeah i'm you know you know screwing around but i'm making sure that i'm providing factual information because like i don't know how to douche your bottom you know what i mean so i was like well i'm gonna look this up and do a demonstration of how to douche your bottom you know nice i need to watch it yeah and then

so and then uh the another episode the fourth one's gonna be about lesbians okay and oh my gosh that's a a rabbit hole lesbians oh my god yeah like i didn't realize how complex women are until i i delved into this lesbian topic and apparently there's 15 different types types of lesbians.

What? And I break them down and then I break down the kind of toys that they use when they're diddling themselves and what have you.

Yeah. So again, I'm just having fun with it.
15 types of lesbians. That's insane.
I know, right? I just found out the divorce rate of lesbians. It's pretty high.
Is it? What is it?

I don't want to like get canceled, but I think it was, I'll just say this. It was higher than male, female.
Really? It was much higher. So what I uncovered, which I share in the show, is

lesbians, their intercourse lasts twice the length of time than a heterosexual couple. Wow.
That makes sense, though. It does.
It does. I guess that's not surprising per se.

I mean, you know, because the bits are a little bit smaller, so they got, you know, it's harder to do, right?

But yeah, I didn't know about the divorce rate. I probably, because I've not shot my fourth episode, the lesbian one yet.
So I probably should. Yeah, looking at that.

I think gays were, if you do one on gays, I think they had the least divorces. Interesting, really? Yeah.

Well, because like men are a little bit more practical even whether whether they're gay or not they're a little bit more practical and you know what

well women initiate i think uh like 80 of the divorces something like that wow yeah okay it's pretty high have you been married yeah twice and did they initiate it yes

see yes see yeah uh never getting married again i've i've been uh single and will stay single for A little over 10 years now. Two marriages will do it.
Yeah. My dad got married twice.

No, I'm not a relationship guy. Yeah.
Well, I was going to ask you because you mentioned hookers earlier. Why would someone with your status, but now it makes sense? Because you would just.

I mean, you know, you pay them to go away. Yeah.
You know what I mean? So you're just sick of dating, so you just hire them for convenience sake. Yeah, yeah, for the most part.
I mean,

I mean, now I don't really do a hooker thing much anymore, quite frankly. And the reason is because women today

just irk me.

They really do. I mean, women have always had a tendency of being a little bit narcissistic,

the pretty ones especially. But today, women are just beyond narcissistic.
Like, how many selfies a day do you need to post? You know what I mean? They're so self-absorbed.

And, you know, like, and I feel sorry for them because what's going to end up happening is they're going to grow old and realize that, oh, crap, I'm old.

And they're going to lose their value to the men that have been, you know, taking them on trips, giving them money, or what have you.

So it's not going to be a happy ending for them. But if we're going to be honest, men are the primary cause because men are allowing this behavior.
You know what I mean?

Because like, you know, these women are posting all of these selfies and men are providing all of this validation vis-a-vis comments, DMs, and what have you.

And what that does is it screws it up for men, right? Because these women think that, oh my gosh, we've got all this attention. They feel like a quasi-celebrity.
They're just not.

You know what I mean? They're just getting attention, which is completely artificial. And bless their cotton socks, they're going to suffer in the end.
Yeah, I think OnlyFans played a major role too.

Oh, for sure. Especially when COVID happened.
Yeah. Dancers stopped dancing and they were doing the OnlyFans and like making more.
Yeah, absolutely. They're making more.

You know, it's bred this culture to where women are like these quasi-celebrities in their mind,

which is very damaging to, you know, their, well, like to have a healthy relationship with someone like that, because they've always got

another option. You know what I mean? They may be in a somewhat healthy relationship and he may piss her off and be like, well, I've got all these other opportunities.

I can just do this with this guy. And this guy's offering to fly me to Dubai.
This guy's offering to fly me to Jamaica, whatever. You know what I mean? And then, again,

a quality relationship becomes very difficult for a woman to maintain. And same with men.
I heard it's real tough dating in major cities. Oh, big time.
Again, because you got more options, don't you?

Yeah. You know what I mean? Especially when you're in a superficial city like this one, like Las Vegas or Los Angeles.
You know what I mean? You go to the superficial ones. It's virtually impossible.

So like, so again, so back to hookers.

So hookers, like, you know, I remember 20 years ago, 25 years ago, yes, I'm dating myself, like there was a lot more humility with a hooker. You know what I mean?

And there was a lot more eagerness to please.

Whereas the hookers today,

they're like the women on Instagram, but worse. It's transactional.
Absolutely. It's, you know, transactional to the point where like.

you know i've got 20 other people behind you as oh you know what i mean so like i don't really i don't really need to be nice you know what i mean i don't really care you know what i mean just give me the money and let's do the thing and then that's it

like another thing that blows my mind is a lot of women that aren't hookers they expect to be paid to go out to dinner because men are offering them money to go out to dinner right i refuse to do that it's like i'm not gonna go out and spend 500 on on a dinner for you um and then give you another 500 to come on to come to dinner with me i mean that's ridiculous but men are consistently doing it, especially in markets like, you know, Vegas and LA and New York.

Yeah. My dad, after the divorce, he went down the hooker rabbit hole and he was showing me his spreadsheets on how he's actually making money.

Because when you factor in the dinners and the ring and everything,

you actually make way more money because also the time because you're spending way less time. Yeah, for sure.
So it's an interesting lifestyle.

And quite frankly, again, I'm not really doing the hooker thing anymore because, again, I'm irked.

I'd rather just go home and jerk off, quite frankly yeah um it's a lot more convenient I save a lot more money not so much it's not so much the money it's just like you know dealing with these women and like there's no conversation there yeah because they've they're not able to develop any form of

I'm gonna be careful with how I say this

the intelligence level is just not cultivated because they don't need to intell

like develop that kind of intelligence they don't train it yeah they don't need to they don't need to. So it's like, you know, it's like talking to a white canvas.

Well, my next guest after you, who you'll meet, is he makes companion robots. Oh, okay, perfect.
So if you want to spend 125 grand on that. I'll save money.

He said, because I think 40% of men in my generation are virgins. So he said this industry is going to be like a multi-billion dollar industry.
Wow. Companion robots.
I believe it. I believe it.

Because again, women are driving men away and men are allowing it to happen. Yeah.

Only the top guys now are getting laid like 40 isn't that crazy that is ridiculous like your generation had to be way lower probably like 10 20 oh for sure for sure you know i i just you know i i prefer uh women of my generation at that time but now they've got baggage and wrinkles mileage yeah you know what i mean so it's like you know it's it's just not as it's not as appealing as it once was yeah they are not that's nuts man yeah well good luck in your dating life thank you I'm glad I met my girl eight years ago.

Oh, really? You have a girl for eight years? Before we, uh, before all the dating apps, all the only frame stuff. Yeah.
Wow. I think Tinder like just came out when we met.
Okay, fantastic. Yeah.

So she was not poisoned or programmed or wow.

A lot of women these days are misled and misguided. Yeah, that's a beautiful men, you know.
That way, sure. It goes both ways.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

I mean, like I said, like when I go out of a weekend, I'd rather, you know, hang out with a couple of my close guy buddies.

Um, I don't even go out with women on, I don't go out with women, I really don't. I know that sounds crazy because I was a certifiable man whore at one point.

I was, I was, but now I'm so irked by women, I just want to hang out with my guys, hang out, and just you know, have intellectual conversations.

I feel that when you go out, do you do you shower beforehand?

I only shower like three or four times uh a week.

Give it a take, give a take. Um,

I picked this up from Johnny Depp actually

and what he said was quite logical.

So

when you shower,

basically you're washing away the natural oils of your skin, right?

And those oils are genetically heaped on your skin to help preserve your skin and protect your skin. So when you wash those away, you dry out your skin, right?

So I was like, okay, that's interesting. So I decided to develop this no showering policy.
But I do the PAP thing, you know.

I coined it myself, you know, so I'll, you know, wash the pussy ass and pits, you know what I mean?

You know, but the skin, like my skin on my face and my overall body maintain that.

And I will admit that Donnie was definitely onto something in terms of my skin health is much better than it was that's interesting absolutely yeah well also the water has terrible stuff in it yeah absolutely that's another factor too especially in in las vegas so you know i look at these women that you know shower a couple of times a day right and they've got all of the skincare and what have you but you're still you know scraping away your natural oils in your skin regardless of what you're applying onto your skin after the fact you're you know you're uh you know tearing up your skin yeah yeah i'm not a fan of makeup oh yeah and that's the worst too

i don't like it like have you ever wondered why you know like a guy with a bar of soap ends up looking better than a woman that looks after their skin religiously you know what i mean yeah i mean yeah there's a genetic component but there is also the component that you know men care less so therefore they maintain more natural oils on their skin which helps them from a aging standpoint also yeah you go back to england ever no i don't like england at all Really?

Don't like it at all. Why? Bad food, bad weather.

There's no English people there anymore. You know, not saying I've got anything against immigrants,

but there's absolutely nothing good about England whatsoever.

Natural fact, my mom was just there visiting her sister for her sister's birthday. And my mom said 80, she basically said, I'm never going back to England ever again.

And for her to say that, that was a major turn. So for me, I said it 25 years ago.
I'm never going back to England.

Jeez, because I'm a quarter british and i uh my dad was born there oh yeah so i i can claim citizenship but it doesn't look like the spot to be right now no no no no no no no i'm just not a fan at all it doesn't seem safe man oh well i mean that's another component too i mean the videos i'm seeing are like really concerning so i'll pass for now hopefully they get their shit in order well probably not seems like cali over there yeah it's a runaway train yeah you know and same with california i don't see california recovering either not under newsome no

no way yeah well I mean,

at the end of the day, you got to factor in, you know, it was the populists that elected Newsom, right?

So whether Newsom is in power or not, you got to understand that the people are electing these idiots. You know what I mean?

So it's like they're probably going to elect another idiot, you know what I mean? Like San Francisco, like.

It's been run into the ground by politicians that were elected by the people of San Francisco.

So, you know, unless you, you know, get rid of the people and bring in new people.

And then the same argument could be had with regard to Las Vegas. You got so many people from California coming to Las Vegas, which is going to influence Las Vegas politics also.

And we'll see how that plays out. We'll see.
It does seem like it's more and more blue people out here these days. Yep, absolutely.
Damn. That would not be good.
You plan on staying here for a bit?

Yeah, I think so.

I like the convenience factor. Like, I can get a beer and a ribeye at three o'clock in the morning.
Right. Whereas like, like, where can you do that in the United States?

Everything closes, you know what I mean? Um, so I like the freedoms here, uh, but I could see myself hypothetically maybe moving to Mexico or Thailand, good lady boys there,

cheap over there, yeah, right. Yeah, you could eat like a king over there, absolutely.
Where are you getting a ribeye at 3 a.m. here? Uh, pretty much any gaming bar.
Damn. Yeah, for the most part.

Yeah. I mean, it's like I wear, I wear.
I, uh, I'm, I'm like on an odd schedule, you know what I mean? So it's like, especially during the summer, I like to sleep during the day

and then be up at night. Okay.
You know, because it's so hot. Like, it's 180 degrees outside, for God's sake.
You know, who wants to be outside in that heat? Fair point. You know what I mean?

Do you just sleep to avoid it? Yeah, for the most part. Yeah, I do.
Yeah. Go full-on nocturnal.
Yeah, for the most part. Damn.
Yeah. That's how much you hate the heat.
Yeah.

Well, I mean, 180 degrees. Yeah.
No, that's. This is like the temperature of the sun.
What I want to do is, once I have enough money, is get a second spot on the East Coast.

So in the summer here, I'll go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, when it's hot. Yeah.
That's what all the rich people do, right? Yeah, that basically. Yeah.

I just don't have that kind of money. Well, I'm retired.
So, you know, I've got to be frugal with my monies.

I remember when I first retired, my accountant.

called me up at, I think it was like the end of January. It was like beginning of the year.

And he was screaming at me because I spent thousand dollars in this whorehouse in tijuana holy shit one night yeah uh no it was the month i spent the month it so to be fair to be fair and he was screaming at me it's like you can't retire and spend uh fifty thousand dollars in a whorehouse you know and i was like okay fair point fair point so i avoided you know committing myself to that sort of spenditure i know people that go out there all the time must be nice out there no i i yeah i love tijuana oh my god i love it but the problem is i i can't regulate myself there once i'm there i'm committed you know what i mean so you're still addicted to sex no i'm not i i do i love sex don't misunderstand me but i'm not um

again going back to what i was saying uh you know the the pussy is not worth the price right so i well in tijuana it is Well,

yeah, yeah, yeah, but then what ends up happening is that I'll spend like a ton of money on bottles. Okay.
You know what I mean?

and it's just it's almost like it's not worth it yeah drunk sex is not worth it yeah and it's not like i mean my testosterone level is still high so that's not it it's more of a psychological thing so you know sex to me just doesn't have the appeal that it used to interesting you know what i mean so like yeah i like the thought uh banging a hooker right now but you introduce me to one right now and i hear a talk and then my pp goes from 12 to 6 You know what I mean?

I immediately lose interest.

And I had my T levels checked because I thought, okay, well, maybe it's because I've got older. No, it's because now

I need more intellectual stimulation

than I ever did before, if that makes sense. No, you've shifted into what I am.
I'm a sabiosexual. There you go.
So you like intelligence more than looks. Yes, absolutely.

That's what I've shifted to that for sure.

And yeah, finding that stimulation, that intellectual stimulation is very difficult. Wow.
You know what I mean? And

I would rather have sex with

a four or a three

that I am having some banter with than a 10 that I have absolutely nothing in common with. Interesting.
Yeah, it's a tough, it's actually tough to date as a sabiosexual. Oh, for sure.

Because the woman you're attracted to are working a lot and they're in their masculine energy because they're using their mind.

So it's a tough dating dynamic. Absolutely.
You know? Oh, my mom turned to me a couple of weeks ago and she

was like, wait, I'm worried about, you know, you spending your life alone, like growing old

alone. And my response to her was, good Lord, I hope so.
Like, I love the sport of growing old alone. That sounds like the most

best idea ever. Damn.
Like, don't have anyone nagging me. I do what I want, when I want, how I want.

That just sounds like a great way. That's how, that's where I've shifted to psychologically.
So you don't believe in love anymore?

I do believe in love, but I don't believe in the shit that comes with the companionship. I don't believe in like the fact that you can get nagged.
Like, so for example,

if I wake up tomorrow and I want to go to Hawaii,

I'll do it. Like, if, but if I'm in a relationship, you know, protocol is, um, hey, sweetheart, um, is that okay if I go with the boys to Hawaii, or you know what I mean? Right, right.

Around that, uh, I, I, I've got to a point in my life where I'm like, I don't need permission to live my life. I'll do what I want, when I want, how I want, with who I want.

I feel that I don't need your approval. That's kind of how I've got, I know it sounds very, very selfish and

disheartening, but the reality is that's how I want to live my life from this point forward. So that isn't, that, that doesn't necessarily set up a good cultivational thing for partners.
Yeah.

You know what I mean? I mean, I don't, I don't think that's unreasonable. You know, I have rules with my partner where it's like, okay, I'll only travel if I'm making a certain amount of money.

I'm not going to just travel for no reason.

So we have really good boundaries. I think that's the key, right? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Well, it sounds like you got a healthy relationship.
Most people don't have that.

Healthier than most, I'd say, but we still have our battles. Like I'm working all day.
So that's, I'm sure you dealt with this when you're out and about all day and they want your attention more.

Well, relationships are very difficult. And they're like plants.
You got to water them, right?

And I think that

I've become very selfish. I don't want to water that proverbial plant anymore.
I don't want to do it.

It's too much effort for you. Yeah,

I just don't want to do it.

I did it for the majority of my life.

And

this chapter of my life, I just want to. you know, do what I want and I don't want to have to think about cultivating and watering or pruning a relationship.
Expect.

Well, Wade, I can't wait to watch your show, man. Where is it on? Is it on YouTube? Yeah, YouTube.
Okay. Yeah, Wade Martin's video thingy.
That's what I'm calling it. Cool.

We'll link it in this video. Anything else you want to promote or close off with here? No, I'm just, I'm honored to be here.
You know, you're a great guy, and I love what you're doing.

And this is my first podcast. So, you know, it's very cool.
It's much,

it's much more informal and low-key than a television interview. Much better.
I prefer it. Hell yeah.
Much more real. I love that, man.
Well, thanks for coming on. Check out his show, guys.

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