Cecilia Rae: She Says Andrew Tate Is a ‘Danger to Society’. Here’s Why... | DSH #1656

They're dangerous to society. That's how I feel about Andrew Tate.
I think we should put him down. You think he's that dangerous? Yes.
Honestly? Yes. All right, let me hear why.

He's dangerous to everyone. Men for brainwashing them to hate women.
And then also, I mean, let's be real here. I know that he got off on all these charges in Romania, but he is a human trafficker.

He's a r. There's videos of him beating women with belts.
Like, he preaches how

less we are. He's dangerous.
He is a danger. And he should totally be put down.

Okay, guys, out here in Los Angeles, Spotify Studios, we got Ceci in the building. Hi, I'm super excited.
How are you doing? Good. How are you? Good.
I can't complain.

Any fiery debates for you lately? You know what, actually? Okay, so I did one for Jubilee recently. I can't say who it's with, but it is a big name.
Poca. Probably one of their biggest names.

But it will be out on Sunday the 30th, so just a week from now.

And then I just did Dr. Daft show.
Have you seen the Dr. Daff show? No.
So it's similar to Jubilee. Okay.

A little bit of a different format. And she's a psychologist.
And so she had 25 Christian women and 25 atheist women to debate. That's a lot of people.
It was a lot of people. It got...
heated.

Yeah, how do you control that setting? Super fun. 50 people.
Dude, they did a pretty good job, though. Was there security everywhere? Yeah, there was security.
Yeah, they had security there for sure.

It was really fun. But it was a good atmosphere.
I mean, I think because most people wanted to like have their voice heard, we knew like

keep it fucking moving. You know what I mean? Where were you on that debate? Atheist or atheist.
Oh, you were atheist? Yeah. Interesting.
And I'm not, like, a full-blown atheist.

Like, I'm more agnostic than anything, but I'm just definitely not religious. Okay.
You know. So you're not a fan of the Christian nationalism movement? No, I'm not at all, actually.
I know.

And it was funny because one of the prompts was, is America, or one of the questions was, is America declining because we're coming away from Christianity? And I was like, is this a joke?

Like, our president, the whole regime claims to be Christians. That's a bad prompt.
Yeah, there's a big Christian movement. You know what I mean? Like, there's a huge Christian movement.

They should have worried about that. Things are declining.
Yeah. Like, that's not, you're not selling God right now, dude.
No, they should have reworded that.

Wow, I would love to see you and Andrew Wilson then. I would actually totally sit down with Andrew Wilson.
He is such

a dickhead. He is such a, and he's a hypocrite.
He's a total hypocrite.

I mean, his wife, you know, has three baby daddies and two marriages before him which there's nothing wrong with any of that that's the thing too about me is that like i have no judgment toward any of it but he preaches to men basically to stay away from the wife that he has like don't marry women with high body counts don't marry a woman who's had kids or marriages before like you want men to stay away from the type of woman you married dude what the well rachel to be fair to her does claim a body count of three which is fair that's fine but when you ask him what's a high body count he'll be like oh anything over one You know what I mean?

He's preached, Marry a Virgin. Oh, I didn't know that.
Okay. So it's like,

dude, that'd be different for me. And also, like, that's all relative, like a high body count.
Yeah, it's all relative. For me, it's like 25, I guess.
I don't know. It's all relative, though.
Yeah.

You're smiling. I'm like, you know what? Not going to tell my number.
But I will say I'm above average and the average

is seven. I think that's cap.
I think it's higher. No, that's the weird part.
It used to be 11. And as gener at like generationally, we're declining.

We're having less less less sex yeah so this whole movement of girls are sleeping around is just be us then oh dude it's totally i mean we're having sex for sure but i don't think that women are sleeping with like multiple partners right now i think they're like like for me for instance right over the last two and a half years i've slept with maybe

five dudes which is not that's not terrible that's not terrible that's also not my norm and i know people are gonna judge me hard right now but I found a partner who we just vibe in the bedroom and we've been consistent.

And so I haven't, you know, I don't exclusive. We're not, I mean, we, we're not dating, but like, we are just having sex.
I guess we're just filling. Friends with benefits? Yeah, exactly.

So friends with benefits, but it works because we have full-blown communication. Wow.
You know, I am fascinated. I did not know the movie body count was going down.

Well, good job on that too, but 11 to 7. I'm baffled, honestly.
Oh, I'm super shocked. I, when I read that, and it's according to the CDC and multiple other sources, I was like, no fucking way.

Yeah, I'd be curious how they conducted that. Yeah.

And that's exactly exactly what I said because I do stand-up comedy and I do a set about it because I'm like, who the hell are they including in these polls? Like, do these people drink?

Do they do drugs? Like, have they ever, you know, are they gay? Definitely not. Not my gays.
You know what I mean? So I'm like, who the hell do they poll for this? Yeah. I've never been LA.

I've never been polled for one of those interesting studies. I'd love to do it though.
Yeah, same way now. Because they do studies on like virgins.
I'm like, how are you finding out who's a virgin?

Yeah, seriously. Yeah.
I'm so gay.

What guy would admit that?

An insult. Yeah.
And that's a big movement right now, right? Uh-huh. Nick Fuentes.
Oh my God, Nick Fuentes. The Groipers.
The Groiper Army.

Here's the thing about Nick that's interesting to me is that I really wonder how much of it he believes only because like he started this when he was 16 and now he's 26.

And some of his language will change. Like he had an episode where he just went off and was like, there better be a blue avalanche.
Everyone vote Democrat. I was like, what is happening?

And I'm wondering.

He said that recently? My mind exploded. Okay.

And I was like, I wonder if he, because he started this when he was young and has maybe grown up a little bit, wants to like backpedal out, but he's so far in.

How do you really backpedal out of being a white supremacist?

Right. I don't, I'm sure he is a white supremacist, but I also feel like he's somewhat self-loathing because he's also half Mexican.
You know what I mean?

But I hate what he's fueling for other men. Like this incel movement is actually dangerous.

And so I'm actually on my YouTube channel. I'm starting a show called Get Some, Intel for Incels.

And it's a call-in-ass style show where men can call in and I'm going to have like a small network of therapists around the country, stylists around the country, like whatever wrinkle you have, let's iron it out.

Like, I just think with the Red Pill movement, like Myron Gaines, the Fresh and Fit dude, and

Andrew Tate and that whole movement.

During COVID, a lot of us started living our lives online, you know, instead of in the real world. And so all these communities started popping up.

And the Red Pill podcasters are smart enough and they created a community where they were like valid, men thought they were being validated, but they were actually being validated like the shitty feelings they already had about themselves.

So they feel like they found community, but you actually found someone who's just keeping you down. Yeah.
And they monetize the trauma and insecurity.

So I want to monetize the healing, you know, and get them out there. I want to have there's a market.

Dude, listen, plenty of men that are in cells or feel like they could be. They don't want to be.
They don't want to be. No guy wants to be a person.
Exactly. No guy wants to be that.

And also the reality is no guy has to be that. So you're all capable of change.
Like I'm a hairdresser too.

And I used to tell my clients like, you know, if we could just, you know, accept the fact that men are dumber than us, we could just, we'll be fine, circumnavigate, right?

But then I was like, no, because now I'm taking away their accountability and their capability of actually changing. And they can, they're human.

So yeah, I'm going to try to do God's work one man at a time.

It is very interesting because when I was growing up, you know, I didn't get girls. I guess you could consider me an incel growing up, but there was a lot of shame around it.

You didn't publicly like type it up. But the thing though, that term incel, involuntarily celibate, bro, if I go a month without sex, does that make me an incel?

Because I'm definitely involuntarily not having sex. Like it's a stupid term that they're going to be aware of.
Yeah, months I wouldn't consider. Right, of course.

I meant like I was a virgin, you know? No, I know what you mean, but like a lot of them, it's like

the term involuntarily celibate, most people that are, it is involuntary usually you know what i mean like i understand having a vol cell because okay but an incel it was just it was a term they came up with and i don't know why they did that like to label yourself i never looked into that it's like why would you do that yeah now they're proudly just calling themselves that you know right I just call it what it is a fucking loser

I'm sorry but like and I'm talking about the actual ones that like hate women and like blame minorities for shit right like that's the red pill podcast that's what they really did was tell men where to put the blame.

It does make you wonder, has the red pill done more harm than good to men? I think it has. Overall, I think it's done more harm because it's not just done harm to men.
It's done harm to women, too.

It's hit more people in a negative way than it's hit a bigger demographic. It's like slushing more women.

Exactly. Yeah, so they're more scared to open up sexually.
100%.

And it sucks, too, because, I mean, in my 20s, like...

The way you met people was out in the real world. And you'd have a boyfriend.

Like, you'd meet, you'd hang out, you'd be like, oh yeah, we're going gonna try this on and half my friends that are married they have been together for years because they met they hung out and just never stopped hanging out right where now people want to like upload their resume to these apps that

i know people think it opens up the pool but it's actually way more limiting really yeah because now you're like gonna be blinded by this oh no oh no i don't like this i don't like that and it's like yeah but you don't know what they sound like you don't know what their personality is like there's so much that goes into it That's true.

You don't really give them a fair chance. At all.
Yeah. At all.

Even me, though, like when I've done the apps, I did it a few times because like don't knock until you try it. Raya?

No, I did not do Raya. I did not do Raya.
Do you want to know why? I don't have a, well, I got nominee or whatever, but I don't have an iPhone. It's only for iPhones.
What? I didn't know that.

Talk about elitist. Wow.
So you're still Team Android, huh? I am. That is shocking.
I feel like everyone's on an iPhone now. Nope, not me.
What specifically about it?

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Yeah, that, but also, like, I like the cameras on the droids. Yeah, I'll give you that.
The cameras are way better. Yeah, I like the cameras.
Yeah, my iPhone one gets so dirty and blurry all the time.

Yeah, and I'm like, my channel, like, YouTube channel is so new. I don't have like production.
So I like to use my cell phone

as my camera, you know, but it works.

You know, and I have a softbox light. Okay, let's just do it.
And slowly I'll get there. Yeah.
You know, so subscribe.

The putting you on podcast at very sussy on everything. And the primary goal of that show is help men get laid?

So I have, so on that show, I do politics and comedy. And so then Friday nights, um, 7 p.m.
Central Time, it'll be the get some show. Got it.
Intel for Incel. Okay.
Yeah. Wow.

So it'll be a call and ask style show. And if it gets bigger, great.
Let's do it multiple nights of the week, you know? And I think it'll be a lot of fun.

I just think men need a place that they can open up without shame. Yeah.
And I know that it's, it's hard for even me, a woman, to like cry in front of people, but I'm sure for a man, it's even harder.

Oh, yeah. You know, and I rather, okay, well, it's anonymous.
No one's going to see you. It's not video.
Like, it's literally just a phone call so that it's full-blown freedom, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Even me. Like,

I was crying in front of my wife and I was like feeling weird, you know, as a guy. It's just not a normal feeling.
Right. And I get that.
I totally do. I, my dad's tough as hell.
So's my brother.

So, and I grew up that way. So I totally understand it.
But I recently went to a four-day Tony Robbins conference

and it was awesome. Was that the Unleash Within one? I've heard of that one.
Yeah, I did. I went to that one.
Fucking day one, we walked on hot coals. We walked on video.

Yeah. I want to go to one of those.
It was great, Sean. Actually, I'm really surprised you haven't.
A lot of my guests have. I definitely want to go.
You have to. I'll definitely go next.
Awesome.

It's in Miami next year. I want to go again.
And the third day, he does this thing where he shifts your identity and he does this exercise where you're like, and it's 10,000 people in this arena.

Jeez. Yeah.
Lowers the lights. You know, they've got the soundtrack going to get you like in this mood.
And we're talking about, he talks about how your beliefs control what you do.

And so people have instilled beliefs in themselves about themselves that aren't good,

whether it be from societal influence or what have you. But then he, you have to talk about it.
So you're talking with strangers about these really terrible feelings you've put into yourself.

And everyone, it was like midsummer in this bitch.

Like everyone was like wailing and crying and screaming me and my brother went with me it was and i've never seen him break like that or me like everyone is just letting everything go holy crap and then you replace it with positive feelings about yourself and everything and then it it's and then he's got worksheets that i have that i'm also going to use for the incels

because it was really really easy stuff to like put down like he's like okay if you feel like you're a six physically he's like everybody's trying to get to a 10 but don't be realistic right you're six in six months, you could be a seven, right?

Six months, you could do a seven. Cool.
Now we're at a seven. What's the, you know what I mean? And he has that in like different categories.

So it helps just to break it down so that you can see it simply and say, okay, I could do it. You know? That's cool.
So you're big on like personal development and mindset stuff.

Yeah, because I, uh, a couple of years ago went through a depression, like bad. suicidal depression and I didn't know what to do.
So it was a Monday night.

I was on my couch and I'm not even kidding when I was like, you're in that part of the depression where you don't give a shit about anything. Yeah.
It doesn't matter what people think, nothing.

And I was like, I've always wanted to try stand up. I'm just going to go do stand up before I kill myself

or unalive myself. And so then I looked up a mic and there was one and a half an hour in Silverlake and I was like, I'm going to go.
So I went. No practice.
Never done it. No nothing.

And then I show up and the girl was like, you should put your name in the bucket. And I was like, wait, what's the bucket? Like, I have no idea about anything.

And she's like, oh, well, everyone throws your name in and we'll pick 20 names. That's That's who will go up.
And I was like, oh, wait a minute. How many people will be here tonight?

And she's like, oh, well, probably like 60 comics show up. And I was like, oh, this is a real thing.

Like, I wasn't, I was just thinking of it as therapy for me at the moment. So I told her, I was like, listen, my balls dropped today.
I need to go up today. So they put me up.

And I did five minutes and it was awesome. It went over really well and I felt better.
And I just went the next week and the next week. And it just became a thing.
And now I do shows.

I did a roast battle at the comedy store. And

yeah. And it helps in my debates because, you know, when you watch people debate, it can be so boring.
Yeah.

So at least with me, like, I try to make it funner. You know, you drop a joke in between and, you know, you try to keep it fun, at least for the viewers.
Yeah, some debates are hard to watch.

Some debates are hard when it becomes technical. Oh, yeah.
That's the other thing, too.

Like when I'm debating, I like, in my mind, I'm not debating the person in the chair because I know how strongly they feel about their point.

They're in the chair with me, where it's more the audience that I'm trying to convince of my point. So I'm going to speak in layman's if I have to, or get on whatever level of who's actually watching.

Yeah, because some of them, you know, I get we all know our four-syllable words and have these extensive vocabularies, but like if you know that, you don't have to flex it.

You know what I mean? Just to keep people

to understand what you're saying. Who's been your most memorable debate so far?

Candace Owens. Oh, you debated Candace? I did.
Oh, I didn't see that one. Yeah, I did Candace Owens.
And the most recent one I did, but I can't tell you about it. I can't tell the name anyway.

But yeah, I did Candace Owens because she's anti-feminist, which is. Oh, this one just came out, right? No, this one came out last spring.
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.
I think I did see part of this one.

Yeah, maybe. But she's, you know, an anti-feminist or whatever, which I think is funny as a black woman who makes money just having her own show.

Like, the woman has, like, she's been able to design her life. She makes a lot of money.
And she makes a lot of money and power to her. That's the thing is I don't put it down.

I'm like, hey, I'm glad feminism worked for you. But feminism is why you're here.
You know what I mean? Was she denying that? Yeah, she's championing against the idea of feminism.

She thinks women, she has a book out called Make Him a Sandwich, which it's like, okay, then you should go do that. You know, why are you here debating me?

You should be at home in the kitchen with a kid on your hip waiting for your gay husband to come home and give you your allowance.

Wow. You know, interesting.
Yeah, she is self-made.

Well, that's just, and that's great. That's, again, the thing.
I don't champion against any of that. That's great.
Do you? But, like, don't tell other women, you can't have what I have, basically.

Because other women during the debate were saying, Candace, you have a nanny, you have this, you have that. And she was like, well, you know, women can't have it all.
And they're like, but you do.

That is interesting. Yeah.
If you're going to debate, you should at least do what you put. You should be living the life that you're going to tell others to live.
Okay. Like Andrew Wilson and shit.

No, deadass. Like, otherwise, what are you doing? You're grifting.
You're being that rage baiter. You're being that polarizing figure just for the money and just for the clicks.

And that's when I know that you're a sellout and you've sold your soul yeah because you're fine with the damage it might do just because you'll get the dollar yeah that's why at least with myron i know you don't like him but at least he kind of does what he talks about you know yeah he does oh no myron is a full-blown uh alpha incel and i call him an incel because he's probably you know because the women are involuntarily doing it they're being paid or something the guests on the show you're saying or though yeah it's he's he's so full of shit they're all full of shit gotta get you on there i'll set that up for you yeah you should I would appreciate that.

I got you. If you're ever in Miami, I'll get you on there.
I'll go.

Yeah, I'll go. I'll go.
Would you actually fight back or would you just? Yeah, I mean, definitely. Okay.

I would have a conversation.

But the thing is, is that when you're getting kicked out. Yeah, I was just going to say, whenever a woman actually makes a point on the show and is smart, they immediately want to get rid of her.

That's what I was going to say because it's 10 girls. Will you even get time to make points? And if you do, you'll probably get kicked out.
Right, exactly.

Well, that's why it's also like, yeah, see, you're not a real alpha. You can't even handle a smart woman.
You have to get rid of her. Have you been on the one out here, the whatever one?

No, I don't know how I feel sometimes about it. Really? Grinds, I'll say this.
As a moderator, he's pretty fair. Is he? Because I watched it sometimes and I'm like, damn.

I mean, now some of these women, granted, they do it to themselves. Yeah.
Some embarrass the fuck out of me. But some of them, I'm just like, they are.

talking to her like they call her a bitch or you're fucking stupid and this and that and then it's like

table yeah i'm talking about the debate ones but yeah well andrew wilson recently yeah he just said to charlie oh charlie's coming up you're just too fucking stupid like okay at that point i don't know do i continue this conversation or do i now go to your level and rip you the fuck apart like i could do both so i never know which one to do sometimes i'm like do i go in and act just as like a dickhead like you or do i it's because to me sometimes it's not being the bigger person to walk away quite frankly i think you bully a bully That's where I'm still trying to navigate because I'm moderating these debates, and I just did one with Andrew Wilson.

I got roasted in the comments. You did? What? Yeah, for not stepping in.
But it's also hard to step in against guys.

But

where did they want you to step in? When it became personal attacks. Okay.
Yeah. So I'll take accountability that I didn't step in and stop that.
But if you just got.

Tell me what the personal attack was. Well, Andrew Wilson was debating Coach Greg Adams.
Okay. I don't know if you know who that is.
He's like a red pill guy. Okay.
And they just got personal.

Andrew was calling names. Greg was calling him names.
Okay. But I feel like if you're debating, as long as it's, you know, fun, fun engagement.

And also it depends on what you're debating because sometimes your personal life is going to come up. When you're Andrew Wilson and you're telling Ben,

date a virgin, marry a virgin, and your ass didn't. You know what I mean? Your personal life's going to come up if you don't live what you're saying.

If you're a hypocrite, yeah, it's going to come up. For sure.
When you get attacked personally, do you take it personal? No. Because you know what I do?

At first with the comments, I was like, oh my God, like I would start to feel bad a little bit, but then I was like, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Remind yourself of who the hater is.

These are people who think a 10-year-old who is graped should have a baby. These are people who think, you know, women shouldn't vote.
Like, these are haters.

That's what they do. Let them do it.
Thank you for the engagement.

You know, like, that's where it goes. And when they drop shitty comments, now I just automatically write, thanks for the engagement, XO.
Nice. Yeah.

I don't need to like actually engage, but, you know, I see you. Yeah.
How was the Michael Nouls one? Because that had a live audience, right? right yeah drunk people

right yeah with adam mockler um shout out to adam he's been on the show yeah hi adam uh i love adam he's great but uh the show itself was great daily wire is very professional

uh michael knolls was very nice and you know charismatic and whatever he was very professional too like everyone was cool we all got along um and it was interesting though because you know it's in a bar on broadway in nashville and i was like it's gonna be all maga and they didn't initially tell me Adam was gonna be with me.

So I thought I was gonna be the only Democrat in the room. And

the president of the Daily Wire was like, you thought you were gonna be the only Democrat in the room and you said yes to doing this. And I was like, yeah.
And he was like, that's crazy.

I was like, yeah, but I would do it. You were ready.
Yeah, I was totally, it would be, you know, it's fun. And so

the audience, honestly, I noticed that I don't get the

response I thought I was going to get to a lot of stuff I was saying.

Like, they don't, MAGA doesn't, I, well they hate me but a lot of them responded to me pretty well Okay, because the incel thing came up on the show and I said it's a self it's self-imposed and They have in the audience microphones so they can go up and ask me questions or debate me and all the men that went up They didn't debate me.

They asked me for dating advice. No way.
Yeah. What? Yes.
Wow. Yes.
So because they had to edit, obviously. So they only showed one of the guys.

There was like three guys that went to the mic and asked me for advice. And I was like, oh my God.
I was like, wait, what's happening? And then I realized that men don't ask for help.

Duh, like before GPS, you know, when your mom would be like, pull over, ask for directions. Dad's like, I don't ask for directions, you know, kind of mindset.

So like, I feel like men don't ask for help. So that's why I get some Intel for in sales.
I'm throwing out the lifeline, you know, and if you want to call in and bitch about whatever.

I'm doing a promo video this week. And I have two guys that I've helped that they're going to be in the video so that it's not.
You gave them dating advice already? Yeah. And it worked?

One's getting married and is having a baby. No way.

And the the other one, see, here's the other thing too. This doesn't have to be just friend sales.
This could be dudes that are already dating.

But like, so for instance, I was at an I was hosting at a comedy club and the comedian was talking about he'd said he sent this girl a text to break up with her, right?

Or just tell her I don't want to see you anymore. And he's like, yeah, but she's not really getting it.
And I look at his phone and her texts are so long. I'm like, how long have you guys been dating?

And he's like, we went on one date. And I was like, wait, did you guys have sex? He was like, no.
And I was like, wait a minute. So she's either psycho or, and I'm like reading what he wrote.

And I was like, well, dude, you're leaving it so open-ended. Like, oh, maybe down the line.
And oh, maybe, like, you can't do that.

And so I was like, can I just text her for you?

Okay. So I like text her.
Then I get on stage, do my five minutes. And at the end of the set, I was like, did she text you back? And he was like, yes.
She said, thank you for clarifying.

So nice to meet you. And I was like, use your words.

So he's going to talk about that because it's like stuff like that, too, that guys I know want to be nice guys, but they're like, oh, I don't know how to do it. Yeah.

Like, what's not, what's the, going going to be the best way to do this? So, if you have a text you want to even construct, I'll help you. You know what I mean?

Like, it's these, I understand that there are good dudes. Like, I know this, but just they're also terrible ones too.
And unfortunately, they do so much damage that they make the good dudes look bad.

Right. You know what I mean? So, you're actually advocating for nice guys.
Yeah. Because there's that quote, you know, nice guys finish last.

I mean, I, well, okay, but you see, that though is a pussies finish last. Do you know what I mean? You can be a nice guy and not be a pussy.

Be a nice guy and not be a pussy. Yeah, a nice guy opens doors.
A nice guy when he sees a woman getting beat steps in. A nice guy, you know, a homeless person gives him some money.

A nice guy, you know, like me personally, my type of dude, I love smart, nerdy-looking dudes who would still beat someone's ass, though. You know? Yeah.

It's like a well-put-together guy, but it's also nice.

Well, see, well-put together, so many people would interpret that in so many different ways.

Like I met physically, like

sure, if you're gonna be strong but i have met so many dudes who just it doesn't matter their physique like if they saw a woman getting hit they're gonna be like fuck this i have to do something okay

that makes sense yeah because my race i mean i'm small but i have been in so excuse me i don't want people to think i'm

i'm not a brawler anymore but i was and i used to get into a lot of fights and i'm tiny but i could handle myself you know and these are against dudes wait you're fighting dudes yeah because guys hit what the hell i'm telling you.

Yeah. Yes.
You've been in some toxic relationships. These aren't dudes I was dating.
Wait, what? No, these are dudes that I'm dating. Where are you? Are you at a rave? Oh, a bar? Yeah.
Okay.

Who get like really fucked up and do fucked up things. You know what I mean? Jeez.
Yeah. Yeah, I haven't experienced that.
I haven't been to many bars, to be honest. You're also a man.

And you're, how tall are you? 6'6. Yeah.
I've actually never been in a fight. Yeah.
Knock on wood. Well, it's good.
No, people shouldn't be fighting. I've never hit anyone first.
Let me say that.

It's only, that's my dad's rule. He's like, you can't hit anyone first.
He goes, once you do that, you deserve everything that comes your way. He goes, so just say things to make them want to hit you.

Wow.

Deceiving. So you're just getting them mad.

Only with the truth, though.

Truth hurts. Yeah, exactly.

All right. So what else we got here? Who do you want to debate next?

You know what?

Who do I want to? That's such a good question. I can't believe I haven't thought of it.
You don't have a list? I have a list of guests I want on the show. That's so smart.

I should make a list actually. Yeah, I'm all about manifestation and like working towards it.
You know what?

And I am really, I need to do more of that because I'm actually good at manifesting, but it's always the small shit.

Like, I'll be like, in my head, like going to my garage and then, like, to get to the elevator, I'll be like, the elevator's going to open. I'm like, oh, wow.
And it will, though.

Like, dumb shit like that, you know, where I'm like, okay, how do I manifest 2 million followers? And, you know. I do the daily ones too.

I'll write it down every morning, but I also have long-term ones. Yeah.
See, I need to make a list of, okay, so, okay, you can help help me construct. Well, Andrew Wilson for sure.
Myron, for sure.

Yep. Trying to think who'd be a really good opponent for you.
You already did Candace. Yeah.
Fuentes.

You know, that's who I'd like to sit down with. Yeah, Fuentes.
You have to play.

I really would like to sit down with Nick Fuentes. Well, he's picky, so you'd have to get to Dean Withers level and then do it.
I wonder. Okay.

Yeah, some people are really picky, but I think Myron would do it right now. I think Andrew would do it.
Okay. So.
Do you have a line to Nick? To Nick?

Yeah, he's been on the show, but I already asked him to debate three other people and he didn't even respond. So I already know he'd do that.
Okay. Yeah, if you're not like a huge name.

Yeah, then he's like, what the fuck ever? Yeah.

I get, I get it. I kind of get it.
I get it. Because when you're debating, you're risking your reputation.
Like, if you get destroyed. Yeah, and if he got destroyed by me, which he would,

that would look really bad.

Nick, that would look really bad. Yeah.
Look what's happening to Andrew Wilson right now with the enemy Charlie thing.

Well, dude, when you live in hypocrisy, I don't know what else you think is going to happen. I mean, literally, if he just stopped saying what he's saying,

then none of this would be out. You know what I mean? Yeah.
He hates women. He likes hates us.
Yeah.

Yeah. So that's how he genuinely dislikes us.
You think he dislikes women? Yeah, he does. He dislikes women.
He looks at women as like

this other

that it's just supposed to serve. Wow.
You know, and I really want, no, I'm not going to, no, we're not going to do that because he's not here. I'll talk about his personal life in front of him.
But

I do, yeah, I think he hates women.

Yeah.

You and Trump would be a good one. Me and Trump.
I would love. I would totally sit down with Trump and talk about all these fucked up cuts he's done.
And dude, let's talk about Trump.

What do you think of Trump? You know, I'm so, because

you're a centrist. I would have voted for Trump if I voted in this last election.
Why?

I thought he was the better option. Why?

So from a business point of view, I'm in the crypto space.

Okay, so your vote is always

not always, but this time would be economic. Economics is my number one issue, yeah.
Okay. So I would have voted for himself.
But your own economics.

Yeah, so selfishly, I would have made more money under Trump than Kamala. Perfect.
That's all. Cool.
Just as long as people know that that's a selfish vote. It is.

Yeah, I'll acknowledge it. Yeah,

hey, when you own your shit, I can't, you know what I mean? That was just in the mindset I was then, but now that I'm married and want to have kids, it could change in the future.

I mean, I hope it would so that your kid grows up in a world where they have rights. God forbid if it's a girl.
Yeah, it could change.

I'm not opposed. I took the political test.
I'm one standard deviation from the center to the right.

So I'm very changeable. Yeah.
And I'll be honest, like his current term, I'm not like feeling it too much to be honest.

Yeah, no, I mean, when we're like literally kidnapping people off the street that have no criminal record, 70% of them. 70% don't have a criminal record.
That's a lot.

And they're going to countries they've never even been to.

Like we're sending them to El Salvador, places they're not from. I didn't even know that.
Yeah, we're sending them to parts of Africa now that they're not from. That's weird.

There's video footage now in El Salvador of them raping the inmates, the people that we've sent there. Holy crap.

Plus, you know, and then also, if you want to talk economics, you know, all the policy cuts in the Big Beautiful Bill, 186 billion from SNAP. That's a lot.

That's 14 million kids that aren't getting like the regular sustenance they usually do. That's fucking crazy.
That's a lot. 14 million from Medicaid kit hit.
I mean, kicked. That's crazy.

Veterans benefits gone.

Really? And he, you know, this is the party.

The Republican Party bothers me because they're all about family and law and order and the military, but they're also the ones who will cut your veterans' benefits and cut your SNAP benefits for your children, force women to have babies, but then not want to help you feed the baby.

Like, what the fuck are we doing?

You saw that TikTok that went viral? That girl calling Christian churches to test.

What happened? Okay. This chick, and it went viral.
She called different, not just Christian churches, Islam centers, Catholic churches, and she had a fake crying baby noise in the background.

And she said, I don't have formula and she didn't eat last night or today. Do you think you could help me with a can of formula? Not asking for money, just a can of formula.

And she did this to like, I think it was like 40 different churches. And the only people that said, yeah, were the Islamic Center and a Catholic church.

All the Christian churches, except maybe one said, yeah, I'll help you. Really? Yeah.
Wow. That's actually surprising because Christian churches really have that identity of getting back.
It's nuts.

See, it's surprising because of the way they look on paper, but it's really not surprising with the way that they actually are in practice.

I mean, how many like holy wars there are, taking a woman's right away from her body, that's based on religion. Weird.
Is it? That's their stance. Usually it's...

Coming from like a God place. Yeah, most of the people I know they're pro-life.
It's because they're heavily religious. Wow.
Yeah, I guess there is a link there.

Interesting. Yeah, it's just, I mean, and I don't know, mind your own business.
Like, again, I'm politically, I'm on the left.

But when it comes to like social norms, I just, I'm the type who's like, do you, as long as you're not affecting others around you in the negative.

If it makes you happy and that means you're going to be nicer to people, then do it. Yeah, I can agree with you on that.
Right? Like, whatever. It doesn't affect me.
Exactly. Whatever.

Like, when people get mad because I've had an abortion, I'm like, okay, but like, I had an abortion. If I had the kid, would you be making more money, Sean? Would you have a bigger house? Would you

would you have not gotten married? No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't affect you.

Wow. So people are mad at you for like they will, oh, I've had people call me a murderer.
And like, oh, you should, you're going to go to hell. Oh, I guess it depends on how old the fetus is, right?

No, no. For some of them, for some, but for some, it's just period, you know? Oh, even like a weekend.
Oh, yeah. Oh, they're like, no.

Some people want to get rid of contraception because they think that's also somewhat getting in, like, kind of murder or whatever. Really? Isn't that crazy? That come on.

That doesn't make sense to me. Uh, duh.
Thank you. Well, they don't make sense, babe.
The abortion one, I could see if it's like third term, they say, right?

But the thing is, is we already had these laws in place. There was already limitations in place.

It would have to be an emergency for the baby or the woman to have an abortion after a certain period of time. They just decided you're never going to be able to have one.

And like Georgia, Texas, other southern states, you can't, they had trigger laws. So even if you're raped or anything, you can't have one.
Really? Yeah. Wow.

There's a 10-year-old in Ohio raped by her father. She had to go to a different state because they denied her one.
Jeez. It's a 10-year-old.
Can you get an abortion in Cali right now? Yeah. Okay.

Blue states. I don't know how Nevada is going to be.
Blue states, yeah. And most purple states still, but they're more limited.
Where the red states, a lot of them were just full-blown bans. Jeez.

You think they'll get it passed through federally?

I don't know. They're trying.
I'm really, really, really hoping not. That'd be scary.
I mean, in the first two years that Roe v.

Wade was overturned, Texas it was something like 26,000 women birthed their rapist children

wow in one year and two years and and that's only that those are the women that got pregnant during rape so imagine how many actually are raped Jesus so that's just in Texas too yeah come on Texas yeah but what's funny about Texas is that they they practice capital punishment more than any other state so they actually kill people Texas does yeah So if you rape someone, do you get killed there?

No, no, no. What I'm saying is they're capital punishment.

Like they practice, you you know putting people to death like death row yeah like they have a death row they use it more than any other state while being pro-life it's that's ironic hypocritical damn silly yeah trump's approval ratings are i think it just hit the lowest it's ever been even including his first term yeah yeah i think it i think mainly because of episcopian stuff oh my god let's talk about that i think that's the big issue 100 and it should be because pedophilia should not be politicized whether you're blue red left right you can't politicize pedophilia, dude.

You're either an okay, you're either a good person or you're not in that case. Do you know what I mean? That's wild that people,

even the first time around, with those Republicans voting not to release the files, oh, gross. That's when I started being like, what the hell? What are you guys covering up? What is happening?

And for me and most people on the left, I don't care if Bill Clinton's on the list, release it.

Get him arrested too.

Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't care if it's a Democrat or Republican on those lists. Anyone on that list needs to be,

listen, pedophiles, rapists, in my opinion, they should be put down. Bottom of the tone, I'm that rabbit hole.
It's hard to change your brain chemistry. They're not going to.

They're dangerous to society. Yeah.

Yeah. That's how I feel about Andrew Tate.
I think we should put him down. You think he's that dangerous? Yes.
Honestly? Yes. All right, let me hear why.
He's dangerous to everyone.

Men for brainwashing them to hate women. And then also, I mean, let's be real here.
I know that he got off on all these charges in Romania, but he is a human trafficker. He's a rapist.

There's videos of him beating women with belts. Like, he preaches how

less we are. He's dangerous.
He is a danger. And he should totally be put down.
Wow. That's an interesting take.
I don't think it's really. Yeah.

He's been on the show, so I'm trying to be objective and not biased. That's totally fair.

But, you know, sitting where I'm sitting, like, let me say this. I would never want to be in a room alone with that guy.
Ever. I can can see that.

But what if he beats all the cases in other countries?

Oh, I think he's still,

he's got money. I just feel like a lot of people get away with a lot of shit when you have money.
Look at Trump. I can't deny that.
Look at Trump. Yeah, I can't deny that.
Look at Epstein.

How long has all this has gone on for? Because they have money. When you have money, you can bury a lot of shit.
Well, the legal system is pay-to-play. Exactly.

Pay for the representation you can afford. 100%.

So, yeah, he might beat these allegations in all these countries. And, you know, I mean,

okay, but I'm still going to feel like you're a danger. I hear the things you say.
I see the videos. Yeah.
He's hiding in plain sight. Wow.
Which is exactly what Trump does. They're all smart.

They just own their shit.

Yeah. Yeah.
Trump was fighting a lot of different cases when he was running for the second term, right? Yeah.

I mean, it was all over the place. All over the place.
New York, Florida, federal, civil. And he was found guilty on 34 felonies.
Like, we have an actual criminal as president.

Yeah, I just read Eric Trump's book. I think he was the most most subpoenaed.

To be fair, I read Kamalis 2, even though I didn't finish that one. But I try to read both sides.
Yeah. You know, as a host, I think it's important.

But yeah, Eric was the most subpoenaed man in like modern history. And the last,

I think it's eight now out of 10 protests, the largest in historical period of time, were under Trump. Are those the No Kings ones? Yeah,

not just the No Kings, but others as well. Wow.
The last eight out of 10 historical protests have been under Trump. That's pretty nuts.
That's crazy, and that says a lot. Does say a lot.

He's divisive. Very divisive, but also more than that, just very polarizing.
Like he is not a uniter. He's not a unifier at all.
You know what I mean?

Yeah, I wonder if there's a going back from that, even if the left wins in 28.

Did you see recently his like new getup? He like looks dressed like mom Donnie and shit. He had this like high dark red turtleneck with his coat.
He looks ridiculous. And

he's starting to adopt Mom Donnie's language, talking about affordability. He's never said that word before.
And now he's talking about it like it's this new thing.

He used the word groceries and he goes, this old-fashioned word, what the fuck? It's because he's never bought groceries. You know what I mean? I get it.
It's new to you. I understand.

But

with

what was the, what were we talking about again? Remind me. Which quote was with Trump, I just get it.
Groceries.

Yeah. Oh, Mom Donnie.
So he's now adopting this. And someone

in the meeting he had with Mom Donnie asked him, like, Trump, would you be comfortable living in New York under Mom Donnie as mayor? And he said, yeah, I'd be very comfortable. Oh, yeah,

right. And now he's like, and he said, because we actually agree on a lot of things.
I think Trump is just going to try to wear whatever disguise he can to still push through his billionaire ideals.

Like, he's not ever going to be a left.

This guy doesn't, you know what? Actually, perfect example. I said a long time ago, I was like, Trump's going to sell us off piece by piece.

Like white America, if you think you're going to be speaking English, you might be speaking Farsi. Because I tell you what, one, Cutter can have bases now in Idaho.

We sold an F-35 jet to Saudi Arabia. And then on top of all that, I mean, it's just, he's corrupt.
It's all corrupt. And he did a show in 2011 for Discovery called Curiosity.

And it's called How Much is America Worth, where he sells off. every single thing in America to come up with a dollar amount for us.

And that includes the people, our organs, every material item, real estate, resources, all of it. What? Yeah.
He did this in 2011 to figure out how much America dollar price is worth. No way.

And now he's our president and things are going to shit. So he's going to, he's, he's going to, he, he's a traitor.
Yeah. He's a traitor.
Wow.

And him calling for the death of Democrats? I saw that. Okay.

How do you feel about that, though? Like, how do you feel about the president saying some shit like that? What did those Democrats allegedly do? I didn't look into it.

They put out a video addressing the troops, our army, saying that

you can turn down or

defy illegal orders. Okay.
So it was journalists?

No, it was us. It was like six different senators.
Oh, senators. Yes.
Oh, wow. And they said, that were all also in the army at one point.
Interesting. That said, you can turn down or defy.

illegal orders. Okay.
They didn't tell them to. They said you can, if they're illegal,

you have the right to do that. And they do.
Wow. I mean, otherwise, what is this? It's a dictatorship then.
That is wild. Yeah, for him to react so viscerally is interesting.

I wonder what was going on there. Well, because he's trying to become a dictator.
He's been meeting with Putin a lot. I mean, he's militarized our streets.
He's using National Guards from...

When you take National Guard from Texas and bring them up to Illinois, that's a civil war. It's also really expensive.
He's starting a civil war, and it is really expensive. You're right.

Yeah, he's spending hundreds of millions on that. It cost a million dollars a day when National Guards were in LA for the no-kings around that.

A million a day?

What?

And in D.C., they were like picking up trash and doing landscaping. Yeah, there was a lot of them over there in D.C.

Yeah, I don't know. They were like, what?

And these are also guys need to, everybody understand that National Guard are normal, regular people that are being pulled away from their actual jobs that they pay their bills with. Oh, wow.

They don't get paid a lot to do this. And I think

if they do it, like if they're stationed for over 30 days, you get like a bump in the pay. So he's having them all do 29 days and then rotating them out so he doesn't have to actually pay them.

They're full. I didn't know that.

Jeez.

Like he, he's a criminal. He's also losing a lot of support on the Israel stuff, too.
Oh, my God. Israel.
Fuck Israel. Honestly.
And I don't mean, and I'm going to say this, I don't mean fuck Jews.

That's not what I mean because a lot of people conflate the two. I'm talking about the Israeli government.
You know what I mean? Because not every Jew is a Zionist. You know what I mean?

Just like not every German was a Nazi. Right.
Right. But a Zionist is a is a Jewish Nazi.

You would equivalate that to a Jewish Nazi these days. Wow.
Yeah, it's f f full-blown tribalism, nationalism. It's full-blown hate.
Damn.

Yeah, he's losing a lot of supporters, especially on the right. Yeah.
Well, because our money is going to that. A lot of money.
A lot of money. And you know, I wish people, whether you're

right, left, blue, red, whatever, I wish that everyone would get on the same war, which is the class war. We need to fight billionaires.

And here's the thing.

The reason I say that, though, is because like these people who want to have trad wives and have that nuclear family unit of 1955, yeah, that was possible because we taxed the rich in 1955.

You know what I mean? If you want to have the trad wife, you have to have the house to put her in. Trad wife isn't possible for most people these days.

And I would love that for people because that would mean that we can all live off one income. But we can't do that.
Hell no. no, we can't do that.
It's hard enough off two right now. Oh, exactly.

It's super hard. And it's not my fault, a woman's fault.
It's not an immigrant's fault. You shouldn't be blaming people who have less than you for you having less.

It's the billionaires because they don't pay their fair share in taxes, period. Wow.
So you would put the blame on the billionaire? 100%. They don't pay their fair share.
Amazon

Tesla, they paid $0 in taxes last year. I actually did know that.
That's insane. No, that's nuts.
But in 1955, what did they pay? 90%.

90. Now, I'm not saying we have to go back to 90%.
Yeah, that's like. Yeah, that's a bit much.
But zero? That's a big jump. I wonder when it was it all of a sudden that it went down or you know what?

I'm not sure about that. That I need to look into.
It's like the slow roll we've had here.

Because a lot of it was Reaganomics with that trickle-down bullshit method that does not work because when the top 1% are hoarding it, they're not letting it trickle down.

Well, it's technically supposed to be like close to 45%, isn't it? But there's so many write-offs and everything. There's ways to gain the system.
100%.

So we just need to tax the rich because we're paying their share, honestly. And also, Elon Musk is a welfare queen.
You know,

like we fund Tesla. Like, we, he does the a lot of billionaires, and they're smart.
They do the buy, borrow, die method. You know what I mean? They never pay tax, yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah, they just borrow against their portfolio. Exactly.
Borrow against it. You don't get taxed.
And then what? When you sell your stocks, it's 25% capital gain tax, and that's it. That's it, yeah.

Yeah, and then you pass down your shit to your heirs, tax-free up to a certain point. I mean, you know the game.
Look at you. Yeah, and now that I'm here, subscribe so we can get there.

And then I won't be a billionaire, though. I would never want to be, dude.
I don't think I'd want to be a billionaire. No, I would have so much money.

I'd be giving it away left and right and doing so much fun shit with it. But in order to get there, you got to fuck a lot of people over for the most part.
But do you? No, I don't think so.

To be a billionaire?

Give some examples on. I don't know.
I wonder if you're just transparent and tough enough. I mean, look at Trump.
He's not. He's a liar in the way where he's going to like fuck people over on deals.

But I just feel like if you're transparent enough, if you're strong enough, and if you're fair enough, then fine. And if the other person isn't going to be, then fuck you.

I don't need to work with you. Yeah.
Because I'm not in the interest of ever fucking someone over. Like, I really do believe there can be win-wins if we both want to work.
I agree. And work.

But in billionaire is different because to get to that level of wealth, you know, in a capitalistic society.

I mean, I'm not saying I'm sure you have to like, you know, do some weird shit. But again, I don't want to be a billionaire because I wouldn't sell my soul.
Yeah. You know, that's what I mean.

I think you got to sacrifice yourself a lot to get to that status for sure. Yeah.
And I definitely wouldn't be able to do that. But I can become like a millionaire.
Yeah. Multi-millionaire, maybe.

Yeah. Yeah.
In LA, you're going to need to be multi.

Well, yeah. And actually, right now, I'm in the middle of moving back to, well, I'm going to be going back and forth between Chicago and LA.
Okay. Yeah.

Because LA is so expensive and I really want to be more in the fight.

Like I want to be on the ground, like in front of ICE facility at the protests, like shooting more content and stuff, do working within sales more.

That's going to be right after the new year.

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