Naima Troutt: Why Gen Z Doesn’t Want to Be Politicians. | DSH #1651

If you really don't want immigrants, you gotta, like, look at North Korea. Like, you gotta work on your branding.
Like, I'm just saying.

Like, nobody's trying to move to North Korea because they made it very clear they don't want people.

But you're pitching yourself as a country that is

welcoming and accepting the immigrants. And then as soon as they get here, you turn around and do the exact opposite.

All right, guys, here at Spotify Studios LA with Naima. Let's go.
She's coming off a fiery debate with Andrew Wilson. I think it's had a million views already.
Is it? Something like that.

On his or on mine?

It was on whatever, right? Yeah, it was on whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. Pretty good.
Welcome, Brian. And your first one with him got a lot of views, too.
Yeah, yeah. That one was kind of, that one was funny.

The pickle tart shit was hilarious. Yeah, that was viral.
Yeah, that was really fun. You should have brought it again.
You should have brought another one.

I was thinking about it, and I've been working out, too. I've been on my fitness grind.
I'm training to be a yoga instructor. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I'll have my certification in like a month. Wow.
Yeah, no.

You do a lot, man. You got two jobs.
You do fucking much. You're debating at least once a week.
You're going on huge shows. Yeah.
You're a student. I'm still in school.
How are you doing this?

You must not be sleeping. Yeah, it's mostly just not sleeping.
Jeez. Honestly.
Yeah, no. But everyone's like, why don't you go live more? I'm like, girl, when and where?

Oh, you're doing the live debates too? No, I mean, people always want me to go live on TikTok, and I'm just like, dude, no, I can't add anymore. Yeah.

Some people are live there like eight hours a day. I'm like, bro.
I know. I don't really understand.
See, I don't think I could ever be a streamer because I just can't do that.

Like, when I'm in my home, that's my safe space, you know? Streamers,

you're like not yourself, also. Yeah.
I feel like you're

putting on a persona and it's hard to maintain.

Yeah, and there is a difference between, you know, how you're acting when you're on camera and how you're acting when you're just like in the privacy of your home. Yeah.

I don't want to blur those lines. Yeah, for sure.
Would you ever do a campus debate, like set up how Charlie used to do? You know what? No. You wouldn't? Well, look how that ended for Charlie.

I think I would pass. Yeah, I mean,

I do appreciate the idea of involving younger people in politics. I think it's important to get involved in politics.

I got involved in politics from a very young age, but I wasn't debating adults as a child. I was debating other kids.

You know? And I think I've gotten... Hold on.
Is my phone ringing? Someone's phone is ringing. That is my phone.
Who is calling me and why?

Oh, it's my mother.

You want to take it? We could cut this out if you want. Yeah, actually, I'll take it.
Yeah, go ahead. Hey, mama.
Hi. Mommy, I'm on a podcast right now at Spotify Headquarters.
Can I call you back?

Sure. Okay, call me back.
Love you. Love you, too.
Okay, bye.

Yeah, my phone.

My phone only rings with my mom when my mom calls. Yep, yep, yep.
She's the only one that gets through. Yeah, no.
If I don't answer my parents' calls, they're like, ah. They freak out.
Yeah, the FBI.

They got you. Were they helicopter parents growing up for you? No, well, not really.
My parents are like, they're like corporate hippies.

You know, they weren't really helicopter-y, but they are very concerned about my safety, especially like I'm 95 pounds, you know, living across the country, like debating people who just got assassinated.

So, you know, they're, they, they get their anxieties about that. Yeah, that's a big change from growing up in Jersey in the suburbs.
Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, no.

So I was in Brooklyn for most of my like childhood, and then I moved to Jersey for like high school. So that was a huge shift, too.
Yeah. Yeah.
Would you like more Brooklyn or Jersey? Brooklyn.

really yeah i mean i kind of like the balance though because new jersey is beautiful and it was nice to be able to like walk my dog all over my neighborhood and it doesn't smell like urine you know like i i i appreciate the suburbs it they grew on me as i got older i feel that but at first i was like man this place you know

new york's about to change right with mom danny over there now i know i don't i mean i get i get nervous i'm rooting for him so hard but my fear is that he's gonna do one thing wrong and that everyone's gonna be like aha see socialism is dumb it doesn't work That's going to happen regardless, I feel like.

I know. With him.

But I really, I think the free buses, he's definitely going to get done because I don't think I've ever paid for a bus in New York in my entire life.

He just hopped on there. Yeah, they don't really care.
So I don't think that would be a huge transition.

But I'm hoping that

I know Tom DiNapoli.

I think he might be the New York State comptroller, but I know they're like, yeah, the budget's in the pooper. So I'm hoping that he can reallocate some funds.

Well, Mamdani just met with trump it seemed to have gone better than people thought that was hilarious right they thought it was gonna be a back and forth the way trump was cleaving him so hard yeah i was surprised it makes me wonder if trump like low-key respects him yeah i don't know why he just chose him like out of all the people he's like no i like you because he said he was gonna oppose him before he got elected or yeah No, like before he got elected, he was not a Mom Dani stand and then he met him and he was like, wait.

Yeah, he won him over, I guess. I don't know what he said in there.
I don't know what he could have possibly said or done. Does it make you nervous that he made a deal with him?

I don't know. I don't think Momdani would have made a deal with Trump.
I mean, it would have just killed his, you know, his base is very leftist and progressive.

So I think, like, out the bat, the first thing you do as a newly elected mayor is to make a deal with Trump. Yeah.
I think politically that would be

kind of suicidal. The voter breakdown from Mamdani, when you look at the gender and the age percentages, pretty nuts, right? I didn't see it.
Oh, you didn't see it? No.

He basically got a lot of female voters, especially Gen Z and Millennial. That tracks.
Yeah, a lot. Like 80 plus percent.
Yeah, that tracks. That tracks.
That makes sense.

We were big fans. He's also so cute.

I don't think that's hurting him.

Like, I will say. What do you think of Andrew Wilson saying the voting age should be raised? Do you agree with that? No, that's stupid.
I mean, you can, that's my thing.

It's like, you can have a child at 18. You can adopt a child at 18.
Like, you can legally own a gun in certain states. Like, you know, like, you can drive.
You can go to jail.

You're tried as an adult.

You know, you are effectively an adult in this country, you know, you can have sex with any other adult, you know? So, why should you be treated like a child when you legally are not seen as one?

Yeah, you know, I think his stance is the brain is still forming, but I don't know. Well, his brain is still forming, so he's got a lot of fucking nerve.

Oh, man. Your last debate with him, I got to be honest, I gave up an hour in.
It was exhausting. I wish I could have.
Yeah. How long did that go?

It was like five hours. It was so long.
Did you expect it to be that long? No, I think it was four. Yeah, it it was four hours long.
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I expected it to be that long.

They had scheduled it for that, and they were thinking about going over, but I had to go home and feed my cats. I don't blame you.
Yeah. Four hours in a heated debate like that.

Yeah, it was really exhausting. And my boyfriend came to the last my first debate with Andrew Wilson.
He couldn't come to this one because he was out of town.

So it was like, I'm like going by myself to Santa Barbara to debate this fucking guy for four hours. Yeah.

No, it was definitely, it's a lot. I think Andrew, my biggest thing with him is that he just like he wants to argue the definition of words for hours.

Because I could debate about like a current event issue for four hours. I don't want to debate on the definition of the word right for four hours, you know?

Like that's where, and at one point I just Googled it and I was like, can we just go with this? I saw that.

It was like, okay. Definition debates just, from a viewer experience, it's not enjoyable.
It's not enjoyable.

From a participant experience, at least for me, I guess he likes them, but for me, it's not enjoyable.

And it also kind of seems like a cop-out because it's like, you're going to debate these definitions in a way so that you don't have to promote an actual opinion. Right.
You know?

And then if we agree on a definition, you can say, aha, I won the debate because I got you to agree to my definition of a word.

But like we can agree on the definition of a word and still have very different opinions

on, you know, the subject at hand. 100%.
Yeah. It just feels like a way to like not have to actually defend your beliefs and your values and apply them to a real world setting.

And then going into a setting where like he kind of has the home field advantage on the whatever show, does that like play into your mind mind at all? Not really.

I mean, I will say, I think Brian is really, really professional and very fun to work with. Like, he's super chill.
You know,

they've been very accommodating to me. Like, corresponding with them has been a lot better than, you know, working with people like Tim Poole.

I don't know what the fuck happened with that. It's like, that whole thing could have been resolved with like two DMs.
Why wouldn't you tell me you got Myron? I would have come.

I think the problem is when you have too many people in between, just communication gets lost. You should be texting Tim or his assistant directly.
Yeah, it felt like it was a

lack of communication. And I got like three different producers are emailing me, and it's like, dude, I'm just so confused.
I don't know what's going on.

And I'm getting offered a better job opportunity somewhere else that's much more convenient. I'm just not going to take this.
I'm sure in the future it work out. So you want to debate Myron, though?

That's someone you would challenge? Yeah, I would definitely debate Myron. He called me a bimbo.
We have to talk.

Yeah, he tweeted. He was like, this bimbo needs to shut the fuck up.
That was like a year ago. I was like, motherfucker.
Which clip was it about?

I don't know. Probably one where I was yelling at somebody.

I think it might have been the Nick Buentes clip. Okay.
The one about Eiden. Well, they're friends, so he might have been defending Nick.
Yeah, I'm sure it was.

I don't even think I came for Nick that hard. I don't think I've ever come for Nick crazy hard.
I haven't seen you say anything too bad about Nick. No, I mean,

oh, oh,

yeah, you got to cut out the part where I said he was gay in the last video. Oh, really? Yeah.
It was about that.

No, no, no, no, no. That's what the thing I was saying, I was asking you to cut out, but I forgot what it was.
Oh, got it, got it. Okay.
And then also this now.

I got you. Oh, his audience would come for you if not.
Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no.
I can't have any groiper hate. Please cut it out.
I don't want to die. I really don't want to die.

And those guys are everywhere now. Well, see, I mean, that's the main thing is I just don't want to get fucking doxxed.
Like, I have a lot of thoughts about Nick Fuentes.

But, like, when we talk about political censorship, it's like when your fan base is so aggressive.

But I don't really feel like I can be honest with you about how I feel about your beliefs because I have to protect my own safety. I feel that.
No, I respect that.

I've been at the gym, and one of them will come up to me. I'll be like at the airport in a random city.
Like, they are everywhere. I got like surprised by a Groiper on a Jubilee video.

They had one on Jubilee? The last middle ground I did with Parker,

one of the topics was Nick Fuentes and you know how the Tucker Carlson interview.

And I had kind of brought out how this was like brought up how this was going to be an issue on the right with having to figure out whether or not you ideologically align yourself as a party with someone who is a white supremacist.

Because in my opinion, if you're inviting them into very prominent conservative spaces, that's basically saying like, I support you, you know, in a sense.

So you guys as a party have to decide if you are willing to support Nick Fuentes or not and what that means for you.

And this guy was like, well, maybe they agree.

And I was like, well, wait a second. And then he went on this whole rant about how European countries are superior and that there are real points to be made in white supremacy.

And he was also dressed exactly like Nick Fuentes. Like he was like Timu Nick Fuentes.

Like he was very clearly aligned with some white supremacist beliefs. I don't know if he personally identifies as a griper, but I'm pretty sure Jubilee ended up cutting that part out of the video.

Interesting. Yeah, and I think that their whole thing was that they didn't want to platform him, but I was like, well, you already date.

So you might as well include the part about the fact that he's a fucking white supremacist. Yeah, I thought it was interesting.
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Do you see the white supremacy stuff taking over social media? Like, is that something you're worried about at all? I mean, on Twitter, yes. In other spaces,

somewhat, but not as much. I think that, I mean, I think that it's kind of permeated society for a very long time.
I don't think that this is like a new phenomenon.

I just think that, you know, it existed before a digital space, and now we're seeing, you know, kind of

how white supremacy transitions into a digital space. And they've, you know, been able to use it as a tool.
Totally.

Yeah.

It's an interesting argument. They're basically saying the number of white people is going down in America, right? And they're worried about it.
The white replacement theory. I mean, that's silly.

Yeah. Race never really impacted who I choose to be friends with.

I mean, it shouldn't. And it's also like, if the birth rate of white people is going down, how can you blame that on other races? Yeah.
Like, what are you saying? Well, everyone's rate's going down.

I think theirs is just going down exponentially more. Yeah.
I mean, and that's, you know, unfortunate for you, I guess, but... I don't really understand what that has to do with black people.

Like, that sounds like a you problem to me. They'll always find a way to.
Yeah, it's giving skill issue, but, you know. I mean,

yeah, it is weird that, you know, white replacement theory is kind of you're blaming people for trying to replace you. We're not trying to replace you, we're just trying to exist.

I think that the issue too, especially I hear this argument a lot when it comes to immigration, and you know, I get that, but

I get people who are nervous about the amount of immigrants who are coming to this country, but at the same time, we have kind of pitched it our country as being the land of opportunity.

We have, you know, bringing me-yes, exactly. Bring me your poor, your huddled masses.
Like, we've very much branded ourselves as a country that is welcoming to immigrants.

And then as soon as we get here, we're like, wait, no more. And that's not really fair.
Yeah. Yeah.
My parents are both immigrants. Yeah.

Mom came here with 20 bucks and look at what they built, you know. Exactly.
And those are always the stories that we promote.

So of course, someone living in a country in which they don't really feel like they've been able to be valued and be productive, you know, would want to come here

to find that opportunity.

So, you know, like if you really don't want immigrants, immigrants, you gotta like look at North Korea. Like you gotta work on your branding.
Like I'm just saying.

Like nobody's trying to move to North Korea because they've made it very clear they don't want people.

But you're pitching yourself as a country that is welcoming welcoming and accepting the immigrants. And then as soon as they get here, you turn around and do the exact opposite.

That to me is just fucking unfair. And now some people on the right, I know Myron have spoken about like a immigration pause.
Like no one gets in for like a certain amount of time. Have you seen that?

No, I haven't seen that. I mean, I think that's somewhat of a ridiculous idea.
Just because sometimes, you know, families don't immigrate at the same time.

You know, like I've had friends who have had elder relatives who stayed behind, and now it's like, you need to come because you're getting sick and we need to care for you.

So if you pause that, you're basically separating families and making it impossible for them to connect when it could be a very serious issue and there's a real need for them to connect.

Has Trump done better or worse than you thought he was going to do so far? He did exactly as well as I thought he was going going to do, which is very poorly, pretty much.

Anything you've liked that he's done so far?

You know, I was really rooting for him to get rid of Daylight Savings Time, and he didn't even do that. I'm trying to think if there's anything that I'll...

Oh, I thought it was really funny when he was just like, yeah, I'm not going to heaven. He said that? Yes.
Oh, I didn't see that. I made a whole fucking

lip sync to it. He was like, yeah, I don't think I'm going to make it to heaven.
I may be in heaven right now as I fly on Air Force One. Wow.
Yeah, but I don't think I'm going to get to heaven.

He like openly admitted he's not going to heaven. He openly admitted.
He was like, yeah, Zoran, I'm a fascist. You can say it.
He's just been hella reckless. Jeez.

He's just owning it, which is another fear of mine.

It's like the fact that you're owning the fact that you're a fascist, the fact that you know you're not going to heaven, but you haven't done anything to change your behavior.

Like to me, that's just like, yeah, I'm a fucked up person. I know that, and I don't give a shit.
Yeah. What about his first term? You think he's doing better than that or worse?

I would say definitely. I think that they're getting more done because they had that break in the middle to really plan out Project 125.

But what they're getting done, I don't think, has been at all productive or beneficial to the American people as a whole.

I mean, the amount of National Guard troops that have been deployed all over the country, massive waste of money, by the way. It's expensive, right? Like hundreds of millions of dollars to do that.

That's a lot. Yeah, meanwhile, I mean, the government shutdown, horrific, a mess.

Meanwhile, while all of these government employees are going on unpaid leave, are furloughed because of this government shutdown, you're redesigning the East Wing.

Is it the East Wing or the West Wing? I know what you're talking about. I don't know which one.
Yeah, but you're renovating the White House. A nine-figure renovation.

Like, your name is on the fucking deed. Like, dude, what the fuck? It's just,

it feels honestly so disrespectful to watch him do so many things that are flagrant wastes of American tax dollars while simultaneously the government is not functioning.

That is what a government shutdown is. It is not functioning.
Yeah. Did you see the framed photos in the hall? No.
Of the presidents? Oh, you didn't see this? What did he do?

So there's a photo of every president, like just their face, and then for Biden's, they put a pen and paper. They didn't put his face on it.
Wow. Yeah, we'll throw up an image on the screen.

That's just so caddy. That's like such a bitch move.
Yeah, they don't like each other. I mean, I get it.
But there's tons of presidents who don't like each other.

But you still have to have that basic respect for the office. It commands respect.
I mean, it's not an easy job.

Whether or not you agree with your predecessor does not mean that their service to this country shouldn't be honored.

Yeah, I know you're young and you probably haven't thought about it too much, but would you ever run for like a political position? I don't know. No.

I don't think there's really any power in it, to be honest with you. I mean, well, no, that's not true.
I think there is power in it, but I think that you are beholden to,

you know, whoever is spending the most money on your campaign. I think that you can't really be as open and honest as like I can be sitting on a podcast.

I would rather be a consultant if that makes worse.

It's way more less stressful, I'd say too. It's less stressful or it can be.

Yeah, it's less stressful, but it's also, you know, I feel like I kind of want to provide clarity and commentary on things that are happening. Yeah.
Yeah, but I don't know.

I mean, if I thought that it was going to be an effective way to bring positive change to this country, I would definitely reconsider and revisit it.

But right now, I think I'm, I'm honestly, I agree with Tucker Carlson. I think the power is in the pundit.
Never thought you'd agree with Tucker Carlson.

Well, I mean, Tucker Carlson won't run for similar reasons. He has way more power right now.
Look what happened to Dan Bongino. Bongino, however you pronounce it.
Yeah, no, exactly.

That's what I'm saying. And I also think that, you know, you're held at an insane level of scrutiny.
as well as your family. Oh, yeah.

And I don't know if I would like to raise a family in that environment. You know, I think that's difficult for the kids of politicians.
Yeah, you're pretty much giving up your personal life.

Yeah, any right to privacy. You know, like, at least we can turn off the cameras.
But for them, there's no off. And I think that would be really hard for

a family to have to deal with. I really want to be a kid of a politician.
Did you read Kamala's book? No, I didn't read Kamala. Really?

No. You didn't feel compelled to read it?

I mean,

no.

I got it on Audible. I started it and I wasn't feeling it.
I don't know.

I like Kamala Harris, but I do feel a little bit salty at the Democratic Party for not holding a legitimate primary.

You know, and I feel like, I mean, I feel like Kamala was honestly handicapped because she never got to run a full campaign. A lot of 1007 days.
Yeah.

A lot of people didn't really knew who she was and what she stood for, truly, other than being the VP, which wasn't really enough. And I think Biden should have stepped down much, much sooner.

I think that it was like a a complete failure on the part of the DNC. And to me, it's like we already saw this very popular white woman lose to Trump.
Why would you try a less popular black woman?

Like,

I mean, I'm a black woman. Me and Kamal are the same color.
But I know that right now, up against Trump, we just want it to be somebody else. Yeah.

Like, now is not the moment to push the most ideologically progressive agenda, at least on a presidential level, you know? Yeah.

Like I would have rather someone who I think, like I would have rathered literally anyone but Trump to be able to do that. Biden was too old, I think.
Biden was too old. Yeah, yeah.

I think that the choices and nominees, like just Kamala did not have enough support on the left to be a smart choice as a candidate. And she's a woman and she's black.
Yeah. You know?

She had a lot going against her. She had a lot going against her.
And I think that we should have been more realistic about that as a party. I'm very curious who your next one will be.

I think it's going to be.

Newsome.

That's what they're saying. Yeah, Newsome and AOC.
I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised.

That'd be pretty formidable, I think, against Vance.

You think Vance is going to be the next? I mean, he's definitely the next. He's going to at least run, right? Really? Who else would it be? I don't know.

He's just been, like, dogged by the internet so much.

With the Palantir stuff. With the what? With the Palantir stuff, right? Oh, no, I'm just talking about the memes.
Oh, the memes. His fucking stupid face.

I feel like he's lost a a lot of, like, I don't see him having any real gravitas. Really?

Wow.

I mean, all the memes of him, like, well, he'll have the funding no matter what. Yeah, he's got the crypto bros behind him.
But, I mean, at a certain point, you do have to get the votes. That's true.

Is he popular enough? I just don't know who else on the right it would be then.

You know? Yeah, that's true. Marjorie Taylor Green.
Oh, God.

She just announced her resignation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Honestly, can't beef with the big guy. But see, that's again talking about like how the entire party is kind of tangled up in Trump, you know?

Yeah.

That to me is such a huge handicap for the Conservative Party. I mean, I think it goes both ways.
Like, right now, I think that we have two, like... directly opposing issues.

I feel like Democrats fight too much. There's way too much infighting in terms of like progressive versus liberal.

Like we're all one party. We all carry very similar ideals and values.
And I do think that we should try and find more unity in that.

But then on the right, it kind of feels like the party is just like, whatever Trump says, we're going to do.

And it's become a very singular party that just stands to defend anything that Trump does, which is a handicap of yourself, because then again, if Trump fucks up, now you all have to spend so much time defending this one person.

There's no room for criticism within the party, which I would be afraid of, to be honest with you. I don't think that consolidating political power, especially on an ideological level, is smart to do.

It's getting harder to defend him, though. It's getting a lot harder to defend him.
And, you know, are more conservatives going to start disagreeing with Trump? You're starting to see it, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it's time.
I think it's about time.

Even Alex Jones is like, what the hell? It's too much. It's too much.
The Marjorie thing put him over the edge. He was like really spooked by it.
It's a mess. I mean, it's a mess.

Like, it's a cluster fuck. Like, watching it, it's sad for you.
Yeah. You know?

I truly think if he doesn't release the files, um he's gonna lose a lot of people on the right i mean well it's like kind of a catch-202 because if he releases them and he's in them he's yeah and if he doesn't release them it's almost an admission of guilt yeah i wonder how they're gonna play it there's so many allegedly people in it i'm very curious who actually is in it yeah well because if you don't if you if you really if you don't release the files then i i as a person and a human in the world i'm just going to assume you're not releasing them because you did something right that you don't naturally i feel like yeah yeah it's like kind of the only logical conclusion yeah yeah No, it is scary, but

even like debating in that middle ground, like I could see division between CJ and the TJ. Who's that other guy? I have no idea.
I've never seen him before. I don't think he's very popular.

He was struggling to like finish sentences in the debate. I don't think he has a lot of experience in this world.
I could tell you three, you, Parker, and CJ kind of overpowered him.

I felt really bad for CJ, honestly. Because he was two-on-one.
He was a two-on-one because that guy was not helpful at all. He would just pipe up to be like, and I think the homeless was a problem.

It's like, that's not enough. Yeah, if I was CJ, I would have been like, what the hell? Dude, no,

it was really unfair. Like, me and Parker,

it was a softball debate. Yeah.
And Parker has a lot of debate experience, too. He's on live like eight hours a day.
Yeah, he's really fun to debate with, I will say.

Parker, Adam Kahn, and Adam Mockler, I've done my middle grounds with them, and I love debating with all of them. They were really good debates.
Yeah, Adam's a really good debater.

Who's the most impressive debater on the right that you see? Who's the most impressive debater? I honestly, I mean,

I think out of all the debates I've done, I would say Ben Shapiro. Really? Out of the debates I've done,

I would say Ben Shapiro by far. I used to watch a lot of his stuff.
I haven't been too much into it lately.

Yeah, well, I mean, it gets a little sticky with the

big topic. He's lost a lot of support.
I'm not going to say it.

I got to chill on that. I got banned.
We're going to.

Everyone knows what we're talking about. Yes.
No, in terms of pure debate, though, I would put him up there. Yeah,

I think he was really strong. I mean, that was the only debate that I was like, damn, I for sure just lost this debate.
Really? Yeah, no. Well, I think that a lot.
I'm very hard on myself.

What was the topic of that one? I forget, but at one point, oh,

oh, that's right. Yeah, I forgot.
Feminism? No, there was a topic on abortion, but I never got to speak for that one. Okay.
I could not run to the chair fast enough. And that haunts me.

What do you think of that format? Because you can be. You change it because of

because of us being like, can we fucking please stop running to the chair?

I was going to say, because if you're the most knowledgeable on that specific topic about abortion and someone beats you to to the chair, which is exactly what happens, then it makes you all look bad if they lose.

Yeah. You know what I mean?

Well, I mean, they did, they, all the people who got to the chair, I think, did a good job, but I was just very frustrated because I very specifically wanted to come in to talk about abortion. Yeah.

And you're like 95 pounds, you're short. Someone like me could take two steps and get to the chair before you.
And that, and I was wearing heels. And that is what happened.

And that was actually in that first clip with Charlie Kirk when I made that like face, like looking hella mad. It was because I was fucking sick of running to the goddamn chair.
Yeah.

So what did they change it to now? Well, now it's like if you want to go up for a topic, you raise your hand, the director picks you, and then they fake it. Oh, yeah.
But what if the director

doesn't pick you? Yeah. So either way.

Okay.

Do you feel like 20 is too many people? Honestly, yeah. I would probably do it with less people.

There's like a three every episode who are kind of just there to say some goofy shit. Yeah, get a clip.
Yeah. So I would, I would, I would do less people.
I think maybe 10. 10.

Honestly, 10v1 would be cool. Or like 10 to 15.
Yeah, because how do you get your word out with 20? Yeah, and then everyone gets to go for like two claims. Yeah.
Like, that's how I feel would be fair.

Like, everyone gets two claims, you know? So you get a first try. Then if you kind of strike out on that one, you still get a second opportunity.
That'd be dope.

I'd love to see you as the one on one of the episodes. Would you ever do that? I don't know.
I mean, I would if they asked me, but I don't know what topic I would do. Feminism?

Oh, I guess they probably would make me do feminism. Yeah, that'd be a good one.
Oh, I guess they probably would want me to do that. If you're watching this, Jubilee.

I mean, that would be wild being the surrounded in a surrounded. You versus 20 guys that are anti-feminist?

That'd be great.

The security needs to be tight as fuck up in here.

Yeah, you would need security on that one. Yeah, no, I do think about that a lot.
Just like personal safety. Yeah.
I don't blame you.

I have zero, zero self-defense skills. Yeah.
I would be super. And in LA, you can't really own a gun.
It's hard. I know.
Actually,

that might be probably my most conservative take. Oh, yeah.

yeah i want a gun oh so you're pro gun i'm not pro-gun in like a general sense like i don't really see the need for people to have automatic rifles yeah like to me the main justifications for guns are recreational use like hunting and for safety for personal safety if you're like a very tiny person who could never defend themselves physically against the majority of the population.

Like you should probably have a gun, right? No history of mental health. You should have a gun.

But I think that

my issue is just like, I don't know why we need military military-grade assault rifles, like as a society. Yeah, that's pretty extreme.
It's too extreme.

And it's what all of the school shooters use to kill people. It's like, okay, so if all of these people who are using guns incorrectly are using the exact same gun, you could just get rid of that one.

You can start there, you know? Yeah.

You could also, what I think would be kind of cool is if there were gun ranges specifically for those military-grade weaponry, and it just stays there.

So if you're an individual who, you know, enjoys recreational gun use and you want to use those kind of weaponry, maybe you don't need to own it, but there's ways for you to use it in a safe environment that's controlled, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah, I have a similar take. I mean, growing up in New Jersey in a middle-class family, I never felt like I needed one.
So I was just privileged to grow up in that environment.

But now that I'm in the public spotlight, you know, I just got married when I have kids. I sleep better at night owning a gun.
Yeah. You know what I mean?

You know, I think it would be cool to have one. And my boyfriend's a veteran, so it's like gun safety would be a very big priority in our house.
Also, I have a cat that's a gremlin.

She would accidentally shoot someone if I

would totally do that. I would not put it past her.
But

yeah, no, I don't. And also, historically, when we see gun use actually being policed and like legitimate gun reform, one of the main examples was that was against

the Black Panthers. So, my fear is that if we have more strict gun laws, they are going to be unequally or

disproportionately policed onto minority groups.

And it's going to become another method of policing minority groups, yes, and

contributing to the pipeline from the school to prison pipeline and mass incarceration instead of

to keep children safe, which is my goal for Gun Republic. Right, makes sense.
Well, guys, this should be releasing around the time you drop your show.

That's crazy. Yeah, we'll put that in the video.
Congrats on becoming a podcaster now. Thank you.
Crazy transition. I wish I can stop debating crazy people.

One more semester of college and then you're a full-time podcaster, huh? Ah, that's a wild thought. Let's go.
I guess, technically. Well, I'll be here if you need advice.

I've been in the game for three years, learned a lot. Absolutely, yes, I will.
So, just text me if you need anything. But thanks for coming on again.
I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

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