8.55 seconds in Wrexham, Celeste's Sky Sports flame is out & niche 2025-26 predictions

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Speaker 9 Is Gascoigne going to have a crack? Yes, you know. Oh, I think

Speaker 9 brilliant.

Speaker 9 But geez! He's round the goal, Keeper. He's done it!

Speaker 9 Absolutely incredible! He launched himself six feet into the crowd and Kung Fu kicked a supporter who was eye without a shadow of a doubt getting him lip. Oh, I say!

Speaker 9 It's amazing! He does it tame and tame and tame again. Break up the music! Charge a glass!

Speaker 9 This nation is going to dance all night long!

Speaker 10 The nichest world record in the football has been broken again. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is an ex-footballer doing strictly, and he really needs to emphasise both of those things.

Speaker 10 The extinguishing of Celeste's five-year sky sports flame, Serie Arnostalgia with the Schooner Scorer, the first 10 guests on Monday Night Football, and other niche prem predictions for 25-26, throwaway football speak in Homer's Iliad, and the Robert Earnshaw of Bedwetting.

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Speaker 10 I'm joined by David Walker and also Charlie Eccleshare who has been dropping clichés references into rival football podcasts. Daniel Story.

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Speaker 10 I like it. Was that from your editor or from Mrs.

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Speaker 14 Did Jimbo react, Charlie? Or did you carry on?

Speaker 15 Sort of just carried on.

Speaker 18 I think Duncan Alexander who's also there may have sniggered a little bit but yeah largely just just carried on as if nothing had happened.

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Speaker 10 It's a new world record for away fans not realising a goal has been scored. Wrexham versus Hull in the Carabao.

Speaker 29 Having a go, Hull City with

Speaker 2 more of the ball.

Speaker 29 And that's a lovely ball. Gelhardy's in.
He squares it. And Andala

Speaker 29 has given Hull City the lead.

Speaker 29 Delayed reaction because the ball bounced back out of the net,

Speaker 29 and the whole city fans have now cottoned onto the fact that the ball has indeed gone in.

Speaker 10 Dave, this is surreal: 8.55 seconds, obliterating the previous record of 6.16 set by Yeovil, of course.

Speaker 14 Yeah, so I think we can see why this has happened though. So, if you haven't watched this goal,

Speaker 14 the goals at Wrexham,

Speaker 14 to my surprise, are quite sort of

Speaker 14 like amateur, like non-leaguey, almost like not even non-league, like the sort of goal you'd see on a 4G

Speaker 14 pitch somewhere at a school. They've got like a massive plastic rim around the bottom.

Speaker 3 Are they got the wheels?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I don't think they've got the wheels, but there's just a really big, thick plastic rim around the bottom of the net.

Speaker 14 So the ball has hit that and bounced all the way back out and nearly gone out of the area.

Speaker 14 And a whole player sort of catches it as it goes as it rebounds out and they the goal scorer wheels away to the left but the ball goes off to the right and sort of so there's sort of two little pockets of celebrations and the fans don't realize that the goal's gone in until they see the goal scorer running back across the goal towards the other players to celebrate now how is that not more of a visual cue at what point does it are they do they not think what are the players doing well what are they up to charlie this is this is the bit that baffles me the most like there's still it still takes another couple of seconds for that body language not to register.

Speaker 16 But even the commentator's confused.

Speaker 19 You can tell he doesn't fully commit to it for a little while as well.

Speaker 16 I think his reaction, that's almost the fact that the fans are a bit bemused, I can understand, but it shows how confusing it is because the ball does bounce out in a really weird way.

Speaker 26 But what I wonder is what they think.

Speaker 33 Like, I can see why, because the ball comes out, but I don't really know what could have happened because it can't really have gone wide away, certainly from like a commentator's, or I don't know where the fans are from their vantage point.

Speaker 20 But I guess you're just so focused on, well, the ball needs to end up in the back of the neck.

Speaker 10 Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

Speaker 10 there's no logical train of thought. It's just in an instant impulse.

Speaker 14 I'm surprised that they're allowed to have that goal.

Speaker 14 That doesn't seem like a regulation goal.

Speaker 14 I don't know if they've had it in the last two seasons when they've been in the EFL, but if you're going to have a goal like that, surely this is going to happen quite often.

Speaker 10 Bad for the product.

Speaker 3 Really bad for the product.

Speaker 10 Dave, Mike Parry's theory that a human will one day be able to run the 100 meters in one second, notwithstanding.

Speaker 10 I do think that there is a limit to human endeavour. And

Speaker 10 I don't think we're going to beat 8.55 seconds for this. I don't think it's possible for human beings not to register that a football goal has been scored in a longer time than that.

Speaker 14 Unless, you know, there's that prototype architectural model of a stadium that can hold a million supporters.

Speaker 35 Have you seen that?

Speaker 14 And it's just like massive. So imagine if

Speaker 14 the away fans are right at the back of that, maybe, maybe

Speaker 15 speed of light to that as well.

Speaker 10 That's gonna add at least a fraction of a second. But yeah, 8.55 seconds I've clocked it at, Charlie.

Speaker 10 In that time, Automobile Pininfarina's Batista Hyper GT,

Speaker 10 the fastest accelerating production vehicle in the world, that's how long it takes to go a quarter mile. So it's a long time.
Okay.

Speaker 36 And just thinking, like, with the with the sort of sprinting, I mean, that's edging closer towards the 100 meter world record.

Speaker 36 As that comes down and this goes up, I wonder at what point those two are going to meet.

Speaker 28 Exciting.

Speaker 10 But yeah, I don't see this record being beaten for a very long time. I almost thought that the whole fans are doing it deliberately.
Did they know? It wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 10 Very knowledgeable fan base. Right.
Next up, this came from Murray Burt, who was listening to this Scrimmage, which is BBC Radio's Norwich City show.

Speaker 28 And this caller wants to wax lyrical about new signing Papa Amadou Diallo, a one-time Watford target.

Speaker 38 And unless wax lyrical about Diallo, Chris Gorham has already told me not to get too carried away but I'm not like that I get carried away that was a brilliant first half performance for him wasn't it Freddie yeah he was absolutely fantastic you know Watford fans really must be sort of kicking themselves in the teeth at how they didn't get get this player

Speaker 14 you kicking yourself in the teeth babe wish I was that flexible

Speaker 10 that is a beautiful mangled cliche Charlie I mean again as always you can see how it's happened it's just it's rolled off his tongue with tremendous results.

Speaker 40 Yeah, and also even the fact that it's the fan.

Speaker 16 I don't feel like it's normally the fans who are the ones said to be kicking themselves.

Speaker 19 It's more just the club or the people in charge.

Speaker 40 Tough, tough one for the fans.

Speaker 20 There's not a lot they could have done about it.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 10 Now, speaking of mangled football speak, many people alerted us to this. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the latest footballer turned strictly contestant.

Speaker 10 And this was his, you know, hyper textbook unveiling speech, Dave. Swapping the pitch for the ballroom is certainly not something I've done before, but I'm looking forward to tackling a fun challenge.

Speaker 10 Bring on a new type of footwork with hopefully no-own goals.

Speaker 10 Ian Woodcock says, I'm sorry, there's no way Jimmy Floyd Hazerbank said any of these things.

Speaker 14 Absolutely. Yeah, I want to hear him say that.
Where's the video clip? That is ridiculous. They've got it in quote marks.
I mean, you could...

Speaker 14 You could write that about him and it would still be shit, but at least it would kind of be obvious that it was just a hackneyed bit of cliche-ridden prose, whatever.

Speaker 14 But to say that this is what he said, he's clearly not said any of that stuff.

Speaker 40 Yeah, you sort of forget that because we sort of are in the industry, so to speak, we're aware that this sort of thing happens all the time.

Speaker 20 And obviously, someone at their press office has drafted it, and he may have given, you know, it's probably given sign-off or something.

Speaker 31 But yeah, it is presented as if he has actually said these words.

Speaker 10 Sam Jacobs asks, Charlie, why has Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank allowed this to happen? There should be an element of like stepping in and saying, Do you know what? I wouldn't say this. Stop doing this.

Speaker 32 What part of it do you think is the worst well the tackling bit just because that's so generic football speak for someone who has no association with tackling whatsoever i mean that is just nothing to do with jimmy jimmy vlodhaserbank the footballer i mean no own goals again no not something you really associate with old jimmy um but i mean yeah i wonder how many seconds his representative or whoever was presented this with looked at it for before being like yeah it's fine whatever I really don't care.

Speaker 10 Dave, why did it need four references to football? Like, once you've established this guy's a footballer, put one in and that's it.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Just really hammering it home appropriately for Jimmy Ford Hasselpagga.

Speaker 3 That would have been more appropriate.

Speaker 14 But how are we going to work in his minimal backlift into

Speaker 34 that?

Speaker 40 Yeah. Didn't he famously tear his hamstring and keep playing or something?

Speaker 13 Oh, right.

Speaker 10 Yeah, this will be the next step.

Speaker 10 They have to further ram home that he's an ex-footballer with a little dance move.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 yeah, a penalty or something. He just hammers one in, it's gonna be dreadful, absolutely dreadful, right?

Speaker 10 Um, well, the biggest news of the preseason so far: Celeste's Stop This Flame is no longer the tune for Sky Sports Premier League coverage. Dave, I mean, what are your instant reactions to this?

Speaker 10 Are you sad about it? Do you think it was time?

Speaker 14 It's another sign of the changing era that we're moving into. And

Speaker 14 Match of the Day 2 is gone. Celeste's gone.
We are in a new era this season.

Speaker 14 There was a time when I was sort of, I'd got a bit bored of Celeste, and I thought, yeah, come on, we can freshen it up now.

Speaker 14 But then it kind of endured so much past that point that now I've become fond of it again. So I'm a bit sad that it's going in a way, yeah.

Speaker 10 So the new title track for the Premier League season on Sky Sports Charlie will be Casabian's Goat, featuring Crystal. So it's a rework of the original song.
They haven't released it yet.

Speaker 10 Apparently, we'll be able to hear this on Thursday evening/slash Friday morning. Can't wait.
Can't wait to see how Kristal has been incorporated into the original track.

Speaker 43 So they're really going big on it.

Speaker 17 This isn't just like, because I feel like, you know, the stop is fame is more just like it was knocking around and they quite liked it and thought it would work.

Speaker 19 This feels like a bigger deal.

Speaker 14 I'm interested to see what they do with the rework. Like, let's hear a little bit of the original now and we can see maybe where they might go.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's not as lively as I thought it would be. It doesn't have any sort of real kind of bombast to it, does it?

Speaker 14 I just think it's a bit on the nose.

Speaker 14 I don't know whether they wrote it with this sort of thing in mind, whether even if just generally writing it in terms of not thinking it would be used by Sky, but just thinking that it might be good for sports montages or something.

Speaker 14 But it's the lyrics of it are properly like all about you can be the greatest of all time, and there's mention of you're an icon and gotta be strong, hit them hard it's I mean it's almost a bit boxingy actually there's sort of mentions out around now

Speaker 10 yeah it's yeah it's um I'm interested to see how they rework it look into the sky because you know it's true you could be the greatest of all time I mean that that's incredibly sky sports Charlie that's that's exactly the sentiment they're after yeah that is a really interesting idea as well as to whether bands do write songs with

Speaker 10 this could be a football montage potential you're the magic they see it in their heads as they're writing it you're the magic You're the reason why they came. Love will always find a way.

Speaker 10 And you're way before your time. Let them fly.
Let them fly. Dave,

Speaker 10 I mean, you couldn't write lyrics better for the opening sequence of a Premier League match. It's just empty enough, isn't it?

Speaker 14 Yeah, just which bit of the song are they going to use for the actual... Obviously, the

Speaker 10 longer he jumps out as a section to use for me. The longer it's going to be.
Maybe Christyle will come in, liven it up a bit.

Speaker 14 The break stabs are the big thing that really bury into your brain, aren't they? So which bit are are we going to hear?

Speaker 10 I want to hear from this crystal, Charlie.

Speaker 10 I want her to deny the rumours that she's simply a pro-Evo Celeste.

Speaker 40 Yeah, there'll be a backlash, right?

Speaker 26 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 20 Maybe not because it's Sky, but if this was a BBC thing, there would 100% be a massive thing about this. Definitely.

Speaker 16 You'll be a national story.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Let's lay Celeste stop this flame to rest in the most respectful way. Here's our version.

Speaker 2 Just class.

Speaker 10 Absolutely class. And they say we couldn't dovetail.

Speaker 3 They're wrong.

Speaker 24 All three of us with our eyes closed.

Speaker 25 Properly getting into it.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Right.
Lovely stuff.

Speaker 10 Here's a little theory for you. Enjoyed this from Liam on Twitter, Dave.
QPR, Crystal Palace, Spurs are all cousins in the same way that Bournemouth, Brighton, and Brentford are.

Speaker 10 I really like this logic. There's no explanation, and nor should there be.

Speaker 14 I kind of see what they're saying.

Speaker 40 QBR and Spurs, definitely. Palace, I'm less convinced of.

Speaker 25 To Spurs. Maybe Palace and QPR.

Speaker 19 But QBR and Spurs, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 10 The cousin aspect of this, Charlie, is quite crucial because it means you really don't have to explain it. It's just a vibe.

Speaker 10 You know, if you said they were like brothers, then you'd have to go, oh, well, they share all these characteristics, do they? But no cousins, yeah, just the same vibe, really.

Speaker 32 Cousins is so broad, yeah.

Speaker 18 It's good.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I like that from Liam. Excellent stuff.
Now,

Speaker 10 I'm sure on this podcast, fairly recently, Dave, we discussed the potential future of Dominic Calvert Lewin and who might, you know, take the punt on his fitness for the coming season.

Speaker 10 I don't know if we speculated that Leeds United might get involved, but David Ornstein has broken the exclusive news that Leeds United have reached an agreement in principle to sign Dominic Calvert Lewin.

Speaker 10 I mean, this is perfect. This is absolutely perfect.
This is the only place he could have gone.

Speaker 14 Well, I think I did make the point that he could have signed for almost anyone in the Premier League, including promoter clubs.

Speaker 14 I don't know if we mentioned Lee specifically, but I think, yeah, him, he does fit the bill in terms of being still being attractive enough to promoted teams who are looking to, you know, get a bit of an edge, looking to just take a punt on something that might help them stay up.

Speaker 14 And yeah, is he leadsy, though?

Speaker 35 I don't know if he is very leadsy. I suppose he is a bit.

Speaker 16 It does feel a bit odd because they've had Bamford for all this time, and I think of them as sort of similar, like can be great on their day, but also quite injury-prone and maybe can't quite cut it.

Speaker 34 And it's almost like with Bamford, because Bamford is still there, isn't he?

Speaker 3 But he's being

Speaker 10 politely frozen out. One of the most polite freezing outs I've ever seen.

Speaker 26 So they need, so it's like they need the sort of injury-prone, can be great on his day, but that day is becoming rarer and rarer player.

Speaker 10 It feels like a meeting in the middle of two concepts here.

Speaker 10 Dominic Calvert-Lewin's career is on the gentle slide, mainly because of fitness concerns, but you know, he's very, he's still a very on his day kind of player.

Speaker 10 And leads are very much an on their day kind of club dave because obviously they've been promoters they're on their way back up but you know but they are still a big club so the two who kind of met in the middle said well you know we can help each other out here a little bit so i think it it fits really nicely in a narrative sense yeah yeah yeah it is good it does work just carrying that on as well i think they both bampford and calvert luin had their best certainly premier league season in the same season which was that lockdown 2020 21 season bamford got 17 premier league goals that season calvert lewin got 16.

Speaker 27 All right.

Speaker 10 They'll pass each other in the revolving doors at Thorpe Arch.

Speaker 13 And say, well, could have been me, but no.

Speaker 3 Remember that?

Speaker 44 Remember that lockdown season?

Speaker 15 All the goals we scored.

Speaker 10 Other transfer news, Charlie. QPR have agreed a deal with Wickham for Richard Kone for 2.75 million.

Speaker 10 We were discussing this a while back.

Speaker 10 We missed the 2.7 million. It's such a classic little transfer fee.
And Christian Goldman says we're so back. We are back.
2.75. Lovely little transfer fee.
Good to see it. Yeah, it's great that.

Speaker 36 I love that. I love 3.25.

Speaker 20 All those.

Speaker 3 All those little ones.

Speaker 3 Those little decimals.

Speaker 14 Have we ever had

Speaker 14 something 0.15?

Speaker 19 Yeah, there definitely have been, but they were rarer.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I don't like a 1.5.

Speaker 28 There's no reason for it.

Speaker 10 I mean, a 2.5 or a 7.5, that sounds like it's been negotiated up or down.

Speaker 26 But a 1.5, what's that all about?

Speaker 20 What about an 0.5? That really feels like taking a piss.

Speaker 10 I like it.

Speaker 21 Can't look at that.

Speaker 10 Just sounds like an exchange rate technicality, that. Finally, for part part one, Dave, this came for Joe M.
Ketchum, who says, is anyone safe from the who?

Speaker 10 There's obviously swarms of players who haven't made it that welcome the who response to the substitution announcement. Of course, there's also the well-known players who get it ironically anyway.

Speaker 10 Is there a small gap between these groups? Who fills that? Or do we go straight from one to the other? Does anybody fall between these cracks, Dave, of the who when they come on as a sub?

Speaker 14 I think it's a bit of a dying art these days, isn't it? The who? I don't, I can't remember hearing it that much.

Speaker 14 Certainly, I can remember it being more of a thing, you know, when I was at Watford, say even like 20 years ago, it would quite often happen when the subs came on, but I don't know.

Speaker 14 Is the fact that there's more subs people have just sort of given up? There's too many to do.

Speaker 40 It's a great question, though, because it definitely did reach a saturation point where it was basically happening to any player.

Speaker 20 And because there was something quite funny about it, either in a sort of like, oh, this is a bit harsh, like you're battering a team 3-0 and they bring on some kid you haven't heard of.

Speaker 19 And that is quite funny. You know, or you do it to Kevin De Bruyne or whatever, which, you know, some people find amusing.

Speaker 10 Maybe the social media age of fandom, Charlie, has killed this off because people don't want people don't want it to come back to bite them on the ass, you know, in the future.

Speaker 19 Yeah, or I thought you were going to say that people are so desperate to show that they know everything.

Speaker 34 So in the age of like, oh, I've actually been watching this player since he was, you know, 18 and playing for Leon, you wouldn't want to convey ignorance of this potential starlight.

Speaker 10 I like that theory a lot more, actually.

Speaker 2 He's actually top eight percentile in FB ref before passes completed, so you probably should know who he is.

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Speaker 3 Charlie, this is tantalisingly wrong enough to annoy me.

Speaker 10 But if it was more wrong, I reckon I would have ignored it. But it's just right on the cusp of being almost right.

Speaker 19 Yeah, not in the 90s, was it?

Speaker 10 No. There's no way, Dave, he's referring to Vieri's 14 games in six months at Milan in 05-06, is he?

Speaker 14 No, definitely not. He hasn't got a fucking clue what he's talking about.

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Speaker 10 Welcome back to Football Cliches, part two of the midweek adjudication panel.

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Speaker 10 We're recording episode 5 of Dreamland straight after this, actually. And I'm really excited about it because it's something that's been preying on my mind for a little while, Dave.

Speaker 10 We are going to tackle the perfect football season and all the elements that might make that up. Further details will be within the intro of that episode.

Speaker 10 People are wondering how the hell we're going to do this. But I think we've got all our bases covered.

Speaker 28 I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, it's going to be really good, perfectly timed ahead of the start of the season. It's been fun looking back at all the various seasons and trying to piece together the perfect elements.

Speaker 10 Charlie, we say on this podcast a lot about how much we enjoy just listing players' names.

Speaker 10 Well, I also just enjoy approximating the modern football experience, and this is going to be very much an exercise in that as well.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to it.

Speaker 19 I mean, yeah, you realize you'd have very strong opinions on a lot of these elements, and I, yeah, obviously as a Premier League Earsman, I do think about what makes a good season quite a lot.

Speaker 10 It's gonna be a good curtain raiser, I think. So, that's episode five of Dreamland.
It's gonna be out really soon. Right, let's stick with the season preview theme.

Speaker 10 Uh, I want to go through some creatively posed Premier League season predictions before the season kicks off on Friday. This might set the tone.
It came from Kino for Taoiseach.

Speaker 10 He says, The idea that Brentford are going down or will be in a relegation scrap has become the most common controversial opinion.

Speaker 10 So the point where thinking that Brentford will actually be fine is the actual controversial take. I'll be interested to hear if you know of similar cases of this.

Speaker 10 Charlie, this is really tantalizing because, you know, as we hinted at earlier in this episode, the fear of getting something drastically wrong with a season prediction really sort of plays on people's minds when this sort of stuff.

Speaker 10 So Brentford and Brentford are really kind of rattling people now because I don't know, I don't know what how to call Brentford's imminent season.

Speaker 43 Yeah, I think there's something in this.

Speaker 24 I'm not sure people would necessarily call it controversial.

Speaker 17 I think there is an acknowledgement that this feels reasonably likely to happen.

Speaker 30 But I have been wanting to talk about this for a long time.

Speaker 17 You so often see this on Twitter on the kind of controversial opinion, but, and it's something that's like,

Speaker 19 not that controversial.

Speaker 24 Like, is it?

Speaker 43 Like, you know, I know people shout me down for this, but, and it's sort of.

Speaker 27 Whisper it quietly, okay.

Speaker 43 Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 37 Like, it's a weird caveat.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I mean, yeah, Dave, if I had a gun to your head right now, where are Brentford finishing in the Premier League this season?

Speaker 14 This is the cycle that you go through, because we talked about it a few weeks ago. Me and you, Adam, were in agreement that we thought Brentford would struggle.
But this is really easy to go

Speaker 14 to go for that opinion just because of a new manager who hasn't been a manager before. They've lost two of their best players, probably going to lose a third.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 Signed Jordan Henderson, which we're not sure whether that's going to be good or bad. So we're, and we're also desperately looking for a team that could get relegated that isn't a promoted team.

Speaker 14 So we'll go for them.

Speaker 10 But that's solid logic. Having your team decimated, having your best players leave or presumably about to leave is a massive reason for a club to be shit.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, it is. But also, I think the earlier you go for that opinion, the more time you've got for it to come back round and go, actually, I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 Maybe Wolves are going to be the ones that struggle this shit.

Speaker 35 You're allowed to change your mind.

Speaker 25 I do also, I definitely, what I think is irritated with these things is if...

Speaker 17 People do present these opinions as if they're like the first person to have it.

Speaker 21 That is really annoying.

Speaker 19 And you do get a bit of that. You're like,

Speaker 17 listen, Brentford, I don't know.

Speaker 16 Like, I think they might struggle.

Speaker 41 As if you're the first, like, everyone is saying that.

Speaker 20 That's when it becomes annoying.

Speaker 10 Everyone, it's all right for your predictions to be wrong. Don't worry about it.
Everything will be fine. Listener Sam has a cracker for us.

Speaker 10 Here is his list of predicted Monday night football guests for the first portion of this season: John Terry, Lee Carsley, Oligon Asolsiar, Jamie Vardy, Ange Postacoglu, Adam Lalana.

Speaker 10 I feel very strongly about that.

Speaker 21 Pepe Rayna.

Speaker 10 That is a great shout. Steve Cooper, Serena Wiegman, and Son Hyung Min.
What a list that is, Charlie.

Speaker 10 There's not a dud in there at all.

Speaker 37 No, that's incredible.

Speaker 16 I mean, Ange, yes, 100%.

Speaker 19 He would love to do it. He'd be great on it, broadcasting.

Speaker 10 He feels like the least likely of the lot, just because I feel like he might be a bit hesitant. But at the same time,

Speaker 10 he's got a job to get, right?

Speaker 32 Man, also, like, as much as he, like, last season, for instance,

Speaker 23 you can get away with doing,

Speaker 10 after a thursday night game you can just tag on some questions and make that your premier league preview he would always come back on the friday despite you know they might have played away because he quite i think he must have quite enjoyed them like he loved holding court and i think similar similarly on mnf like you get fated you get presented as being this like oracle that seems kind of fun i think and i think he'd really enjoy it that is a good shout actually dave ange poster coglu has a really good all-round Monday night football appeal because he could sit and happily answer pretty much all the questions that carraghood could fire at him.

Speaker 10 Even the kind of things like, where did it go wrong at Spurs? Like slightly spiky ones, he'd be happy to answer.

Speaker 10 But also, I think he'd be quite happy standing in front of the massive screen, you know, telling us why Burnley's press isn't working properly.

Speaker 10 He'll happily shoot the shit about any team as well, whether it means anything to him or not. So I think he'd be really solid.

Speaker 10 And a lot of people would be really impressed with him being on there as well.

Speaker 14 Yeah, he ticks every possible box for them.

Speaker 14 He'll be a really good guest. He has a vested interest in doing it himself because he was at such a level that he doesn't need a Monday night football.
He's not Gary O'Neill. He's not Will Still.

Speaker 14 He's got enough about him to get a job anyway. But it still seems to be something that the Out of Work managers just think they have to do just to get them in the public eye.

Speaker 10 He's hidden in the League Managers Association statutes by now, I believe. Yeah.
This. John Terry wouldn't bowl me over, Charlie.
I think that's a really Monday Night Football by Numbers guest.

Speaker 10 But Serena Viegman would be really interesting.

Speaker 10 It would be just an unusual route to go down. And I would, you know, I want to see a top-level manager on there.
And that would be, I think she would do it.

Speaker 32 Yeah, she feels a little too, like, un-sky sports somehow.

Speaker 17 Like, I don't know.

Speaker 26 I think of her because she's like England, she's international, that's more sort of BBC ITV.

Speaker 40 Whereas Terry feels so sky.

Speaker 26 Like, I can imagine him also doing the Gary Neville soccer box.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Like, I can sort of imagine him on anything.

Speaker 36 And he would be perfect for the later bit of the show when they go through, like, best players you've played with, manager, and

Speaker 17 telling the Mourinho stories for like the 58th time.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 10 we went out and he told us we were going to win 1-0, and we did.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah. I don't think Lee Carsley will be up for it.
We interviewed him on England Pod a few months ago before the Euros, and he's a nice bloke, but he's just not really.

Speaker 14 I don't think he's, as we saw when he was the interim England manager, he's not really that bothered about doing all the big press stuff.

Speaker 14 But you might like talking about the tactics, he is a real sort of tactics man. Him and Carragher would have a good time on the old big screen.

Speaker 14 I think maybe Ashley Cole, his assistant, would potentially be a good one.

Speaker 44 He's done it already, hasn't he? He must have done it.

Speaker 14 Yeah. I think there's one thing thing missing from this list, though, and that's a current player who's injured and therefore has time on their hands.
So

Speaker 14 James Madison is surely going to pop up at some point this season.

Speaker 35 Ooh, great.

Speaker 10 Passionate recovery going, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be a good thing.

Speaker 17 I know it's tough, but

Speaker 15 yes, that's cool to wait for boys.

Speaker 10 But yeah, no, I've been really impressed and yeah, cheering them on.

Speaker 10 Vardy's high possibility, Charlie, because it's good to have a striker on because people like watching and people and Sky Sports like asking players about the art of goal scoring like that that's a slam dunk Monday night footballer yeah yeah

Speaker 24 you can do nothing all game but you're making so many runs off the ball aren't you and that's what we don't see I do just I do just wonder if Vardy does he give enough of a shit to do it like in some ways that helps you because it might be like oh we can just get him on he's outspoken but I can also just imagine unlike Madison who I think loves talking about football and and kind of loves the attention I don't know they've had some very subtle spoken reticent people on there though it doesn't seem like a prerequisite to be a good talker they've had some real sort of, you know.

Speaker 10 No, I'm sure he'd be good.

Speaker 34 I just don't know if he'd be asked.

Speaker 10 Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 28 That's possible.

Speaker 10 Dave, who's going to finish 11th?

Speaker 3 Brentford?

Speaker 14 Charlie?

Speaker 33 They'd bite your hand off that.

Speaker 43 I reckon Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 37 I think they'll have a tricky, yeah, a tricky season after last year.

Speaker 10 Little gentle regression, sort of halfway down to where they were before.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think they might actually be quite a lot lower and then sort of rally and get back to sort of safety of mid-table.

Speaker 10 Oh, okay. I thought your logic would be that they would hover around seventh or eighth and then just plummet to eleventh right at the end.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 33 No, no,

Speaker 37 I think the

Speaker 19 managing Europe element for them will be quite tricky and tough start.

Speaker 33 And they might have been a little bit found out.

Speaker 21 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 36 But then they do have some good players, so they'll be fine.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Your logic basically just oscillates and then finally finds its place. Charlie, who won't have the bottle to sack their manager until someone else does in the November international break?

Speaker 10 And then they quickly follow suit, hoping they'll get less heat for it as a result.

Speaker 34 I think also Forrest. I think

Speaker 37 with this imagined slow start that I've got, you know, because it'll be tough to get rid of Nuno, he did such a good job, but at the same time, results speak for themselves.

Speaker 17 And we are 15th and with regret.

Speaker 10 Sorry, Nuno.

Speaker 14 And then Angie's just been on Monday night football.

Speaker 43 And there he is.

Speaker 10 And Angela Forrest is so good.

Speaker 3 And he's a historic as well.

Speaker 14 For another tilt of the Europa League.

Speaker 15 Oh, that's just a historic club as well.

Speaker 25 Like, he loved Brian Clough. And,

Speaker 3 God, that feels

Speaker 17 too right.

Speaker 10 I'd never even considered this before. That is perfect.
Dave, who or what will be Keesy's new slightly excessive cross-platform preoccupation for 25-26?

Speaker 14 I think you've got to have a referee controversy in there.

Speaker 14 I can see him actually really fixating on the referees counting down the seconds with the ball in the keeper's hands.

Speaker 14 Something that in the grand scheme of things is completely irrelevant. I saw it in the wild for the first time last night

Speaker 14 in Watford played Norwich and the Carabout in the 93rd minute in a game that we were obviously going to lose. Their keeper had the ball, took a bit long with it.
The referee put his hand up.

Speaker 14 I couldn't see the fingers. I could see he was doing something, but I couldn't make out the fingers.
But the fans were just annoyed anyway.

Speaker 14 And what was interesting was that clearly the fans haven't been paying attention and they were still counting six. They don't know it's gone up.

Speaker 10 The referees are going to be like, you haven't even read the rules, lads.

Speaker 28 You haven't got a clue.

Speaker 10 Charlie, I think Keese will take a few weeks before laying into the Puma match balls. I think that's just the sort of level that he could get stuck into.

Speaker 19 Related to that as well, because he tweeted, didn't he, about Yokarez being used to the Puma match balls, and that helped the idea that that would help it.

Speaker 34 Did he?

Speaker 10 I couldn't work that tweet out. Was he actually stating that as his own opinion? Or was he lampooning Arsenal fans for having that opinion?

Speaker 10 Like saying that they were thinking that, you know, Joker is going to be great because he knows the ball. So I couldn't work out what level of irony he was working on.

Speaker 10 I can't can't believe he was sincere about it, was he?

Speaker 40 I don't know, but I can't imagine he'd be that subtle, would he?

Speaker 15 Like, if he wanted to make a dig at the Arsenal, and also because he has been talking up Jokarez, because I think that will become another thing, because Jokarez will undoubtedly become a massive, dividing,

Speaker 24 divisive topic.

Speaker 36 And, you know, but he's gone in early, sort of all for him, which is quite risky.

Speaker 37 Because I think had he not known him from Coventry, he could be doing the whole, he scored goals in Portugal, Andy.

Speaker 24 I would score goals in Portugal, but he's he's taken the other view.

Speaker 19 And then the reverse of that, I think he'll be going in for Amarim in a pretty big way if results aren't good early.

Speaker 10 This is a good point, actually, Dave. Yokorotis clearly can do no wrong in Keese's eyes for obvious reasons.
But I think he'll go after Sesko because it's the Man United angle.

Speaker 10 It's an easy route in for Keese's...

Speaker 10 ire and I think if Shesko goes six seven games without scoring early doors I think he might come up with a nickname for him Misco

Speaker 14 I think maybe yeah yeah Misco would be Benjamin Misco I think he also, I mean, he's already hinted, hasn't he, that

Speaker 14 he doesn't think the Mbumo deal was good value. I could see him having, what were they doing, signing it from Brentford Andy?

Speaker 10 Brian and Hopeless.

Speaker 10 That could be good. Charlie, any breath of fresh air potential this season? I mean, it feels like a dying arc.

Speaker 22 I think Sunderland, we talked about it the other day, didn't we?

Speaker 17 That they at least appear to be...

Speaker 37 giving it a good go.

Speaker 21 Okay.

Speaker 3 And people want a new team because it's been so long.

Speaker 16 The last two years has been such a bust with relegated promoted teams teams going straight back down again.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it does help to be a sort of slightly surprised promoted team, Dave, to be the breath of fresh air. But more needs to happen.
They need to have a distinct style of play.

Speaker 10 I must confess, I know nothing about Sunderland's style of play.

Speaker 10 But they've made some shrewd signings. So

Speaker 10 that could be it.

Speaker 14 Maybe. They've made a lot of signings and we haven't seen them in the Premier League for a while.
And, you know,

Speaker 14 there's a bit of romanticism around the Stadium of Light and it's a big club and it's the North East and we have the, well, again, we're going to have the derby back and everything you know in contrast

Speaker 14 leads are a bit weird in that they they've in they're in this sort of yo-yo period aren't they and we sort of the premier league welcomes leeds united because it's a big club but none of us are quite sure whether they are actually proper leads still or are they going to fuck it up again and then burnley are just burnley aren't they they've even though they had the company era where they were actually playing or trying to play quite progressive football they've now gone back to being really really ultra-defensive under Scott Parker, but they still haven't shaken the tag of the DACE years and just being unglamorous.

Speaker 10 Charlie, what will be the first ref cam-based controversy of the season?

Speaker 18 Will there be something that like it appears that a ref was celebrating a goal and that that's like their fists in front of his face or something?

Speaker 41 Or even like, you know, if you listen really carefully, you can hear like a little yelp of excitement from the ref.

Speaker 14 And that's typical of him.

Speaker 23 Like we know he know he'd grew up a Liverpool fan.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it's just going to be mana from heaven for all the sort of amateur ref conspiracy theorists out there. They're going to be analysing it like they're the bloody CIA.

Speaker 10 Well, exactly.

Speaker 10 And on that note, I think there's a more mundane controversy in the works of this, and this could run and run throughout the whole season, Dave, which is, you know, analysis of referees' positions

Speaker 10 their viewpoints of certain decisions.

Speaker 44 We're going to have amateur experts on how can we see it from there.

Speaker 10 Yeah, exactly. Bloody's just run 50 yards, mate.
Oh, I honestly, I just think, yeah. Well, he was in a better position for Arsenal's game, I noticed, the other day for it.
That's interesting.

Speaker 10 We can can have loads of that. That will be tedious.

Speaker 10 Finally, Dave, which player will emerge as a late contender for Thomas Tuschall's World Cup squad, only to be uncontroversially cut from the 30-man preliminary squad just before the tournament?

Speaker 10 I'm going for Tino Liveramento, Jarrell Quanta, Archie Gray, or Jamie Gittens.

Speaker 14 Gittens is interesting, yeah. No one's really talking about him.

Speaker 10 He's not really in the England picture, is he? But he will be by dint of signing for a Big Six club.

Speaker 14 I think Adam Wharton could continue to have an interesting England existence. Right.

Speaker 14 Being out of nowhere making the squad for the Euros in 2024, then not getting a look in on the pitch, then he didn't get into Tuchel's first squad because he was still with the under 21s because they had a tournament.

Speaker 14 You know, there's a lot of, there is like a really low-level clamour from England fans for him to be in the team, but I just wonder whether he might actually never quite get there.

Speaker 10 If he narrowly misses out on an England squad for the next, for the World Cup, Charlie, I actually think Crystal Palace's fan base would actually explode.

Speaker 10 Like, I think that's one injustice too far for them.

Speaker 40 Just a perpetual clamour.

Speaker 10 Could you take a player being left out of England's World Cup squad to Cass?

Speaker 10 Could you just reconsider this, please? This lot over in Switzerland says he should be in the squad. So that would be...

Speaker 19 Presenting them with evidence of his numbers for the season, where he sits relative to England's other midfielders.

Speaker 14 There's going to be a lot of greelish talk, isn't there, this season with England, I think, as well.

Speaker 14 Did you see the stuff about him getting the number 18 shirt for Everton? And they've made a bit of a song and dance about it because it was

Speaker 14 Wayne Rooney's number for Everton and Paul Gascoigne's number for Everton in that somewhat fantastic.

Speaker 14 It's like, and Grealish was quoted himself saying, you know, Wayne Rooney and Paul Gascoigne were my favourite ever players and English players and getting the number 18. I'm really happy to have it.

Speaker 14 It's like, no one, nobody knew, apart from Everton fans, that Wayne Rooney was number 18.

Speaker 10 Also, you're alone, son. Don't worry about what number you're getting.

Speaker 14 Remember the number?

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, I actually don't.

Speaker 10 That's mad that I can't picture Rooney's number when he scores that goal. Right, next up,

Speaker 10 a very silly Mezert Hollandix irritation from MCFC fan Charlie.

Speaker 10 He says, I'm well aware of how silly this is, but it really irks me when a football stadium on Google Maps doesn't have the pitch in place.

Speaker 10 For example, for some reason I was finding the Burton Albion stadium on Google Maps today, and it was just all turfed up. It was just the clay underneath.
There must be a logical explanation for this.

Speaker 10 Like, you know, maybe the sight lines for a satellite are clearer in the summer, and that's when teams are ripping up their pitches.

Speaker 35 So, is this a is this across the board, or this happens a lot, or this is like an isolated incident?

Speaker 10 I it does happen a lot. I've seen it happen, right? That is, it's happened to me, and it can't just be unlucky.
We can't just be two people being unlucky. It must be a satellite thing, yeah.

Speaker 14 Maybe, yeah, you could be right. It could be some logic to that, and there probably is a fair bit of randomness in there as well.
But I know what you mean. It does

Speaker 22 unsatisfying.

Speaker 44 Is it a rights issue?

Speaker 18 Can't show the hallowed turf of Burton Albany.

Speaker 13 Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 10 There we are. Right, this came from Henry Thiekston.
Here is Jan Argo Fjordoft on Middlesbrough's first game at the Riverside Stadium in 1995, talking to vanquished clichés quiz opponents.

Speaker 10 It was what it was.

Speaker 48 And then we got into the first game of the season. We played Chelsea.
That was a great Chelsea team.

Speaker 48 I did a bus-Aldrin goal. I scored a second one.
So Craig Hignit, the local hero, scored the first one. We beat Chelsea.

Speaker 10 I love this concept and the idea that it could catch on. A really niche reference, Charlie.
A Buzz Aldrin goal. It sounds like something like, you know, the German language would come up with.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a class reference.

Speaker 10 This is. He is, of course, the second man to walk on the moon after Neil Armstrong.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that's that's...

Speaker 15 I've never heard that before.

Speaker 21 I wonder if that is a Scandinavian thing that he's brought over.

Speaker 10 I mean, it has a little bit of a foothold, kind of footballing relevance, Dave.

Speaker 10 Being the guy who scored the other goal in a game that was quite pivotal, but people always remember the other goal. Take, for example, Ricky George's winner for Hereford against Newcastle in 1972.

Speaker 10 That won the game, but no one talks about it because of Ronnie Rabbit's screamer.

Speaker 14 The guy, who was it that scored the other, was it the hat-trick in the Stanley Matthews final?

Speaker 28 Was it Morton? Oh, Stan Mortenson. Mortensen.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 He's done Aldrin, Apollo 13, and all the life.

Speaker 10 Right, Charlie, have you ever read Homer's Iliad?

Speaker 37 I have done not all of it, but I have studied some of it, yeah.

Speaker 30 Okay.

Speaker 3 As a school.

Speaker 10 Ben Rowe writes in and says, I was reading Homer's Iliad for my sins and came across in line 85 what must be one of the earliest recorded usages of this specific footballing disdain.

Speaker 10 So basically, Agamemnon has suggested that

Speaker 10 they retreat in their battle. And Odysseus gave him a black look and said, Agamemnon, why do you say such a thing? Damn you.

Speaker 10 You should have taken charge of some tinpot army instead of leaving people like ourselves.

Speaker 10 They weren't saying tinpot back then, were they?

Speaker 31 Well, I mean, this is a modern translation.

Speaker 22 I mean, Homer.

Speaker 3 Yes, thank you, Charlie. Yes.
Homer wouldn't have written this himself.

Speaker 37 But I do remember studying like Latin and Ancient Greek.

Speaker 17 You would be encouraged with your translations to give try and give it a flourish, especially as you're sort of moving up to like A-level and stuff.

Speaker 19 So, like, and I remember sometimes they would, our teachers would say, like, you know, think of, don't just go for like the boring translation.

Speaker 19 Try and use like a modern or more interesting turn of phrase.

Speaker 17 So I wonder if the person who's done this translation is a footballman.

Speaker 14 Codes written by John Cross, I think.

Speaker 10 Right, next up, the ghost of Gerald Sid writes in, Dave, and says, With the talk about cricket being good for clichés content on Tuesday's pod, who would Adam have present cricket cliches?

Speaker 10 And who would he have on the panel? Well, before Lineker nips in and creates the rest, is cricket anyway. One name for you, Vithushan Ihantharaja.
I think he'd get it.

Speaker 10 I think he'd be a good cliché's cricket clichésman.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 He's on the cliché sporkle. He had his one up, didn't he?

Speaker 10 Yeah, should we start an empire? Should we start branching out?

Speaker 14 I've long thought it could be a possibility.

Speaker 20 I did the tennis clichés segment for Five Live earlier in the semester.

Speaker 20 I mean, to go alongside Vish, Nick Miller, of course.

Speaker 13 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 35 It's all there for us.

Speaker 10 Could you get 450 episodes of cricket cliches? I wouldn't put it past them.

Speaker 14 I think what we would do if we started out any other cliches is probably not do two a week.

Speaker 3 Yeah, enough and our blades.

Speaker 10 Right. Twig writes in next, Charlie, and says, Uh, bear with me, this is meant for you and not mum's net.
My son is wearing nappies overnight, but is nearly always dry in the morning.

Speaker 10 However, when we have tried without nappies, he keeps wetting the bed.

Speaker 10 All I can think is how this is the bed-wetting equivalent of being too good for the championship, but not good enough for the Privy League.

Speaker 34 Brilliant!

Speaker 10 What a way to analyse the situation from a parent's perspective.

Speaker 20 That is superb.

Speaker 19 Yeah, my younger son is at a similar stage, and I have to say, I hadn't yet made that connection in my head, but I now will.

Speaker 10 Just can't handle the physicality of a nappy list night needs the comfort yeah of the champo comes thick and fast in the champo rights similarly um david writes in dave and says i walked past a lad of about eight in ikea this afternoon talking to his mum about how his football team are doing he told her he has a gold contribution every six and a half minutes no oh come on

Speaker 10 what's the mum react is that all that sounds good

Speaker 3 That sounds good.

Speaker 10 Classic Ikea chat, that is. Blimey.
Things have moved on, haven't they, Dave?

Speaker 22 Yeah, they have, but I mean, bloody hell.

Speaker 26 God, the game's gone.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it really has. There was a kid of about a similar age, I reckon, maybe a bit younger, behind me at Watford on Tuesday night.
And he was just absolutely going through it.

Speaker 14 It was like he was a 50-year-old bloke, just swearing, giving it a wanker sign.

Speaker 35 That's

Speaker 34 direct learned behaviour, isn't it?

Speaker 10 You'll see families on holiday, and the 13-year-old kid is walking around like the dad.

Speaker 46 The same posture,

Speaker 10 the same look on their faces, the same sort of suspicious look as they enter a room.

Speaker 10 They're sort of scanning the room and they, yeah, it's, yeah, a mistrust of society that's that's bled down to the to the child. Yeah, basically.
I've seen it.

Speaker 32 It happens. Just on the game's gone, by the way.

Speaker 40 Sorry, I just, I saw someone tweeting the other.

Speaker 25 I can't remember who it was, but it was a kind of like, I think it was after the palace thing.

Speaker 37 It was one of those like, you know, this is, no club can be ambitious because of this. There's so much hypocrisy in football.

Speaker 17 It's all about money. And then the last tweet of this read was said like, the game hasn't gone yet, comma, but.

Speaker 40 And I was like, that's, I think that's the first time I've ever seen it being talked about in that way.

Speaker 33 Like, the game's not gone.

Speaker 34 It's not completely gone, but it's still hope.

Speaker 40 Yeah, it's getting, it's getting very close to being gone.

Speaker 44 Still just gone.

Speaker 10 I love this game, but it's testing my patience.

Speaker 40 It's so nearly gone.

Speaker 20 But not quite.

Speaker 14 It's like the UN panel for climate change releases a report saying the game could be gone by 2030.

Speaker 25 Even though we don't make scaxes, the brink of gone.

Speaker 10 Yeah, we're on the brink of gone. It very much feels that way.
This episode has gone, though. Thanks to everyone for listening.
Thanks to you, Dave Walker. Thank you.

Speaker 10 Thanks to you, Charlie Eccleshare. Thank you.
And we'll be back on Tuesday. See you then.

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