Netanyahu divides Israelis and allies with plan to occupy Gaza

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I'm Janet Jalil and in the early hours of Friday the 8th of August these are our main stories.

Demonstrations have been taking place outside an Israeli Security Cabinet meeting where the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been discussing plans for Israel's army to occupy the whole of Gaza.

The Russian President Vladimir Putin says the conditions for meeting his Ukrainian counterpart are far from being met as the Russian leader prepares for talks with Donald Trump in the next few days.

Japan's already declining population sees a record annual fall of more than 900,000 last year.

Also in this podcast, a keenly awaited new version of the artificial intelligence chatbot, ChatGPT, has been launched.

So what's new?

I typed in, should I break up with my boyfriend?

And instead of saying, yeah, you should do that, or no, you shouldn't, it gives you a set of bullet points that are there to sort of help you reason through what to do.

We start in Israel, where, despite overwhelming opposition at home and abroad, the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he intends to take full control of Gaza, a territory reduced to ruins where growing numbers of people are starving to death.

This has caused anguish not just for Palestinians, but for the families of the remaining hostages in Gaza,

who have joined protests outside a key security cabinet meeting that's been held for hours with the talks going into the night as ministers debate whether to back Mr.

Netanyahu's plan.

He defended it in an interview with Fox News shortly before convening the cabinet, denying that Israel intended to keep or govern Gaza.

Will Israel take control of all of Gaza?

We intend to, in order to

assure our security, remove Hamas there,

enable the population to be free of Gaza and to pass it to civilian governance.

That is not Hamas and not anyone advocating the destruction of Israel.

That's got to end.

Are you saying today that you will take control of the entire 26-mile Gaza Strip as it was 20 years ago?

to this month in 2005?

Well, we don't want to keep it.

We want to have a security perimeter.

We don't want to govern it.

We don't want to be there as a governing body.

We want to hand it over to

Arab forces that will govern it properly without threatening us and giving Gazans a good life.

That's not possible with Hamas.

Even Israel's military chief Ayal Zamir has criticized the Prime Minister's plans, saying that widening the war could lead to Israeli troops being trapped in Gaza and lead to the hostages that are still alive being killed.

Riyadh Mansour, the permanent observer of Palestine to the United Nations, says any escalation would further prolong the suffering in the already devastated territory.

More war, more occupation, more killing, more starvation, more genocide against the Palestinian people is not going to accomplish peace or

release of hostages or

acceptance and moving in the direction of peace.

Our Middle East correspondent, Hugo Besheger, told me more about the Israeli Security Cabinet's discussions.

These are very controversial plans being defended, proposed by the Prime Minister, who wants an expansion of the military offensive in Gaza and the full occupation of Gaza.

Now, even the leadership of the military opposes parts of the plan, including the idea of fully occupying Gaza.

There was a tense meeting on Tuesday in which the Chief of Staff told the Prime Minister that this would be a trap, that this would endanger the lives of the twenty hostages who are believed to be alive, and also the lives of soldiers who, he said, are exhausted.

I mean, we're talking about almost two years of war here in Gaza.

And obviously, there is a lot of opposition from the families of the hostages as well, who say that military pressure hasn't really worked and that the only way to guarantee the release of the hostages is through a negotiated deal with Hamas and not more military activity in Gaza.

And what shall we make of this interview that Benjamin Netanyahu gave to Fox News shortly before the cabinet meeting began?

Yeah, I think it was very interesting that the Prime Minister decided to give an interview in English to Fox News, President Trump's favourite news channel.

So I think the message here was very clear.

I think he wanted to clarify what he was trying to achieve.

He rejected the allegations, the claims that Israel was trying to keep Gaza, annex Gaza.

He said, you know, Israel doesn't want to govern Gaza.

But look, he is supported by some radical ministers, ultra-nationalist ministers, who have been openly talking about the idea of, you know, occupying Gaza, expelling Palestinians from Gaza, resettling Gaza with Jews.

So the Prime Minister, I think, you know, trying to reject those claims and also distance himself from these more radical proposals being put forward by some

hardline members of his governing coalition.

But again, a lot of people in Israel believe that the Prime Minister is prolonging the conflict to guarantee the survival of his governing coalition.

Poles in Israel have been very consistent in suggesting that the vast majority of the population want to see a deal with Hamas for the hostages to be freed, and they want the end of the war.

Hugo Beshega in Jerusalem.

My colleague Steve Lai spoke to a supporter of Mr.

Netanyahu's policy, Jonathan Cornicus, a former Israeli military spokesperson and now a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington-based think tank.

He began by asking him: is a full occupation of Gaza by Israel a good idea?

I definitely understand the fear, the frustration, the anger, and all of the tremendously difficult feelings that the families of the hostages have, and I would agree with them from their personal point of view.

At the national level, however, things are a bit different.

And what Israel still has not achieved, even though it has waited for a long time, negotiated a lot, been extremely flexible trying to meet Hamas's demands.

But so far, Israel has failed to actually defeat Hamas or get the hostages back.

And Israel hasn't achieved what it needs to do in order to safeguard the future of the state of Israel from the scourge that is Hamas.

And that's what we're talking about.

It's not an occupation for the sake of an occupation.

It is a military move in order to take out Hamas, the remaining pockets where Hamas is in control.

And yes, it has downsides.

We speak about the hostages and yes, it has a lot of humanitarian issues connected to it.

But at the end of the day, if Israel wants to safeguard the future of Israelis in the south, it needs to defeat Hamas.

And defeating Hamas means going in and taking Hamas out where they are.

I can see no other way for there to be stability and long-term peace, not a truce that will be broken again by Hamas when they see fit.

And that is, I think, what Israel is thinking about.

We've seen a statement from Hamas saying that Netanyahu is willing to sacrifice hostages with takeover plans.

What do you think of that?

Well, I think that Hamas are a bunch of murdering cowards who are using the most despicable type of psychological warfare, disseminating videos of

starving Israeli hostages, digging their own graves in order to apply pressure on the families and through the families on Israeli decision makers.

But Jonathan, the question is more directed about Netanyahu willing to sacrifice hostages.

Do you think that's correct?

I think that what the obligation of the Israeli government is to think about the future of the State of Israel in its entirety and to defeat an enemy that is a mortal threat to the state of Israel while doing everything feasible in order to get our people home, our brothers and sisters home from Hamas captivity.

It's an almost impossible situation to be in.

There's no win here.

It's various degrees of unsuccess or not success, and I don't think that anybody could find a fine solution for it.

But at the end of the day, Israel isn't safe as long as Hamas exists, and that is what Israel needs to do.

Former Israeli military spokesman Jonathan Kohanikis.

The Russian President Vladimir Putin says the conditions for talks with Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky have not yet been met.

Mr Putin was speaking ahead of an anticipated face-to-face meeting with the US President Donald Trump in the coming days.

No date or venue has yet been confirmed.

The Russian leader suggested the summit could take place in the United Arab Emirates.

The White House has said its preference would be for a trilateral summit with the US, Russian, and Ukrainian leaders.

Today is a deadline Mr.

Trump had set for Russia to agree a ceasefire in Ukraine or face severe sanctions, but with little sign so far that the ultimatum has worked.

From Moscow, our Russia editor Steve Rosenberg reports.

In the Kremlin, there was pomp and ceremony and a guest.

The President of Russia strode down an exceedingly long red carpet to greet the President of the United Arab Emirates.

But the meeting everyone was talking about was a different one and had only just been announced between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Moscow says there'll be a Russia-US summit within days.

But where?

We have many friends, Vladimir Putin said, ready to help organize such an event.

The president of the United Arab Emirates is one of them.

But the Kremlin leader didn't confirm that as the venue.

It's thought that Presidents Putin and Trump haven't met in years, not since since Donald Trump's first term.

Almost overnight, we've gone from talking about American ultimatums and deadlines to let's have a summit.

And this, Vladimir Putin, will consider his diplomatic victory.

After his full-scale invasion of Ukraine, President Putin was treated as a pariah by the West.

With this summit, he can argue he's back where he wants to be, at the top table of global politics.

But Vladimir Putin hasn't agreed to meet President Zelensky.

Despite all the talk of diplomacy, there's no guarantee that a summit with Donald Trump will bring peace in Ukraine any closer.

Steve Rosenberg.

For his part, Mr.

Zelensky said that Ukraine should be involved in any talks between Russia and the United States about the conflict on its soil.

From Kyiv, here's Jonathan Beale.

President Zelensky has said he's not afraid to meet President Putin, but we've always known that.

He wants a meeting with President Putin to talk about ending the war and it is President Putin who has resisted that now the indications from the Kremlin at the moment is there are no plans for a trilateral but it could happen if conditions are met.

The question is what are those conditions and what we've also from President Zelensky is first of all that he thinks Europe should be represented, in other words friends to back him up in any negotiations but also he is warning that he and the US must not be deceived by Russia in the detail of these negotiations.

So, in other words, there's no trust between Russia and Ukraine still, and that is because the war is still ongoing.

Nothing much has changed apart from the hopes of a bilateral conversation between President Putin and President Trump.

Of course, President Zelensky needs the support of President Trump.

He wants him to impose more sanctions on Russia to make him feel the cost of the war.

And therefore, he needs to keep on the side of President Trump.

Jonathan Beale in Ukraine.

Mr.

Trump has recently shown growing frustration with Russia.

So, what should we make of the fact that he's now ready to meet Mr.

Putin without, it seems, any agreement to end the war, and is now even saying that he'll sit down with the Russian leader, even if he doesn't meet the Ukrainian president first.

Here's our Washington correspondent, Nomia Iqbal.

President Trump has become more cautious than optimistic.

Last month, he told told the BBC in an interview that he'd been left disappointed many times by President Putin.

His peace envoy Steve Witkoff has been to the Kremlin several times and the meetings have always ended productively and constructively.

But of course that big prize of a ceasefire or a peace deal has never been struck.

And Mr Trump cut the deadline to Friday.

He wants a ceasefire, otherwise Russia will face sweeping sanctions.

But President Trump seems to be optimistic again.

Having said that, he has been candid.

Back in April, in response to a reporter, he did say that he wasn't quite sure if Putin was stringing him along.

And I do think there is a sense here in the US, certainly politically, that Vladimir Putin is far more invested in waging this war than perhaps the Trump administration realised.

And so it's really up to the president to work out just exactly what incentive he could he give to Vladimir Putin to end this war.

Namiya Iqbal.

The United Arab Emirates has denied that one of its planes carrying weapons and Colombian mercenaries was shot down in the Sudanese region of Darfur.

On Wednesday, the Sudanese army said it had shot down the plane with at least 40 mercenaries on board.

It accuses the UAE of backing the paramilitary rapid support forces, the RSF, and supplying it with foreign fighters, mainly Colombians.

Barbara Pletasher reports.

This incident is a new twist on widespread accusations that the United Arab Emirates is providing providing support to the RSF, and it's drawn attention to allegations that Colombian mercenaries fight alongside the paramilitary group.

Sudan's state TV said the Air Force launched a surgical strike on an Emirati plane carrying weapons and mercenaries as it tried to land at an airport controlled by the rapid support forces.

A UAE official dismissed the claim.

He told the BBC this was yet another unfounded allegation, part of an ongoing campaign of disinformation by Sudan's military-backed government.

Neither Sudan's army nor the RSF have officially commented on the alleged strike.

Colombia's president said in a tweet that his government was trying to confirm how many of its citizens died and if their bodies could be returned.

Tensions over the involvement of Colombian foreign fighters have stepped up recently, with the Sudanese army and its allies claiming that dozens took part in a battle at the weekend.

Barbara Platusha.

A new version of the artificial intelligence chatbot, ChatGPT, has been launched by its US-based parent company, OpenAI.

Its designers claim ChatGPT-5 is more reliable, has a better grasp of language, and is less prone to inventing facts than its predecessors.

The BBC has not been able to verify these claims.

Once the front-runner among artificial intelligence bots, ChatGPT now has a number of high-profile competitors.

Despite a $300 billion valuation, OpenAI has yet to turn a profit.

Professor Carissa Velise, an AI expert, says that's a real concern.

A lot of people fear that there is a bubble going on, that these systems, as impressive as they are, haven't been able to be really profitable and very, very useful.

And there is a fear that we need to keep up the hype or else the bubble might burst.

So, just how revolutionary really is Chat GPT-5?

Lily Jamali is our North America Technology Correspondent in San Francisco.

Well, I'm not sure I would call it revolutionary, which is certainly how OpenAI wants to frame this.

But GPT-5 has been long anticipated.

Sam Altman, the CEO at OpenAI, wants us to think of GPT-5 as a PhD-level tool.

It can offer that kind of expertise across subjects, whether it's math or physics or writing.

And they also want it to come across as more human in our interactions with it, but less personal, which I think is kind of interesting.

So if you were to, and I actually did try this, I typed in, should I break up with my boyfriend?

And instead of saying, yeah, you should do that or no, you shouldn't, it gives you a set of bullet points that are there to sort of help you reason through what to do as a personal decision in that case.

So it just shows how potentially dangerous chat GPT can be.

So I guess the makers of this new version are trying to address these concerns.

Aaron Ross Powell, that's right.

They get some criticism for the way that people were using it in the past, and I think they're trying to hedge against that.

But, you know, I think fundamentally they want to move the conversation away from that and show people that this is a serious tool.

It will show its work.

And there's so much competition in this space.

We've heard Elon Musk say his chat bot is even better than PhD level in terms of its expertise.

But fundamentally, GPT-5 doesn't change the basic structure of how we use these tools, these AI chatbots.

In most cases, we're still asking it questions with text, and it's popping out answers back to us.

The consensus view seems to be that the leap being made here is a little bit less noteworthy than some previous iterations of ChatGPT, which really brought this kind of technology into the mainstream for consumers.

And there's still that big concern, isn't there, about the huge amount of energy and water data centers used by tech firms such as OpenAI.

Absolutely.

I've been thinking so much about this issue because I've been looking back at DeepSeek, the Chinese AI chatbot that was released in January, which made a huge splash for about a week and then kind of no one talks about it anymore.

But when that came out, it really shifted the conversation around do we really need to be training these products, these large language models with the intense amount of energy, all the chips you can find.

And of course, water is also touched by this issue.

So, in this case, what we're seeing is a reversion to the mean.

Sam Altman and these other American AI developers continuing on the course that they charted at the very beginning of the AI revolution.

And ChatGPT 5 shows they're not planning to slow down anytime soon.

Lee Jamali in California.

Still to come on the podcast.

We look back on the life of the pioneering Latin jazz pianist and bandleader Eddie Palmieri, who has died at the age of 88.

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Here in Britain, the government is coming under increasing pressure to block China's plans to build a new mega embassy in London after it emerged that parts of the building plans had been redacted.

The opposition Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties have raised concerns that the building in the heart of the city, near the financial district, could be used for espionage.

The Deputy Prime Minister, Angela Reiner, has only a few weeks to decide whether to approve or reject the plans, as our political correspondent Damian Grammaticus reports.

The site China wants to turn into its mega-embassy is just metres from the Tower of London.

The skyscrapers of the City of London rise nearby.

The Conservatives say the fact there is a telephone exchange built to serve the city right by the proposed embassy means China could tap into fibre optic cables and eavesdrop on sensitive communications.

The Liberal Democrats highlight fears that the 200 staff in the new embassy would include agents who would try to silence Beijing's critics abroad.

Dissidents who fled the country fear mystery rooms in the plans might be used to hold and interrogate them.

Last year, Angela Rayner took the decision on the planning application out of the local council's hands, so she would have the final say.

She's now given China two weeks to explain why it's not made minor alterations requested by the Home Secretary and why some rooms on the plan are greyed out with notes saying that their purpose has been redacted for security reasons.

Damien Grammaticus, the number of people in Japan continues to plummet.

Last year saw a record annual fall in the world's third largest economy, with its ageing population shrinking by almost a million people as fewer babies were born and more deaths were recorded.

And Japan is not alone.

Other East Asian countries are also seeing birth rates decline, including China, despite its abolition of its controversial one-child policy.

Our Asia-Pacific editor, Mickey Bristow, told me why Japan's population was falling so rapidly.

The long-standing problem is that essentially Japanese couples are having too few children and there's an ageing population and so more deaths.

That's essentially it.

And that's partly because of long working hours, feeling that Japanese men perhaps don't pull their weight and women are forced into a choice between their careers or having a family but not having both.

It's a complex set of reasons including all of those points.

I mean generally the world over there's been a fall in the birth rate wherever you are and that's generally associated with when women become more educated they want fewer children.

Of course in specific countries there are specific reasons and as you mentioned there in Japan women traditionally have had the burden of both working and looking after the children and the household and a lot of people, a lot of women are reacting against that.

As you say, this is a long-standing problem.

So why haven't the authorities been able to do more?

Well they're doing quite a lot because the consequences are great for the economy.

There are going to be fewer workers to support the growing number of older people, so there's going to be a financial crunch.

That's why the government has been recognising it has to do something by giving subsidies to parents to put their children in kindergarten, all kinds of things, encouraging men to take paternity leave, which in Japan hasn't been a traditional thing, but it isn't persuading couples to have any more children.

And there's a certain irony in the situation in China because for decades China limited families to having one child.

Now it's dropped that requirement, but people aren't having more babies.

About a decade ago, they ended the one-child policy.

Now, Chinese parents can have three children, but once again, like in Japan, the number of babies being born has been falling.

There was a slight uptick last year, but that was because it was the year of the dragon, and lots of people wanted to have children in the year of the dragon.

But in China, almost every week they come out with new policies.

Just today, they've come out with a new policy of giving free kindergarten, the final year of kindergarten for preschool children.

But once again, none of these policies seem to be working and lots of people in China in act of putting up on social media the fines that their parents were given many years ago for having them.

Mickey Bristow.

In the US, several cities are dealing with a strike by refuse collectors.

At one point, more than 2,000 garbage workers walked off the job, affecting millions of Americans coast to coast.

The strikers say they deserve a pay rise and better health care benefits.

Robin Levinson King reports from Boston, the center of the nationwide strike, on what's being called America's summer of stink.

I'm here outside a commercial dumpster where there is just piles of garbage that hasn't been collected.

It's starting to smell, the flies are buzzing, and this is what many businesses and residents have had to deal with in Boston for over three weeks.

My name is Glacey Dos Santos, and I'm a local coffee shop owner here in Malden.

Tell me about what the trash strike has been like for local businesses.

Oh, it's been horrible.

I can't describe how frustrating it is.

And then I call every day because I'm concerned because my dumpster is full.

Over full.

The standoff began a month ago in the Boston area, a fight between Teamsters union members and a private waste management company called Republic Services.

The strike has now expanded to other towns across the country, and even more workers have refused to show up in solidarity.

That means that during the strike's peak, over 2,000 workers weren't showing up for the job.

The union says workers deserve better wages and benefits like health care.

They say their employer, a Fortune 500 company partly owned by Bill Gates, can afford to pay better.

On the picket line outside of Boston, I spoke to Mike Ortiz, who's worked in the industry for 17 years.

The strike about right now is wages, health care.

Republic Services have not been budgeting.

We've been budgeting on wages.

The impact in the communities is devastating.

I walk through my neighborhood and there's just trash all over the place and I'm from the city of Malden.

How long are you guys prepared to stay out here?

Well we're going to be prepared for as long as it takes.

I'd rather die on my feet than beg on my knees.

In a statement, Republic Services told the BBC it had made significant offers to improve wages and health care.

Meanwhile, several communities in the Boston area have sued the company for breaching their contracts.

Gloucester Mayor Greg Varga says that they've been left holding the proverbial garbage bag.

Negotiations between Republic and Teamsters weren't going so well.

They had reached out to the cities and towns in early June to indicate there may be an issue.

But when they were talking to us before the strike, they said, don't worry about it.

We're a national company.

We'll have people in place and take care of everything.

That has not been delivered on since day one.

Our DPW workers, as I mentioned, have been filling in, but that's not their typical task.

So every second that they're spending picking up trash or recycling is time they're not cutting grass or doing other things they do around the city.

And near to summer.

Yes, I mean, if this were going on in November, December, it wouldn't be as noticeable, the smell of it.

We, here on the coast, we also have an issue of seagulls.

Bags that lay around even for a day or two beyond the normal pickup are potential targets for seagulls.

There are signs that things may soon settle down.

Strikers outside of Seattle say that national pressure helped them reach a fair deal with the company, offering some signs that the two sides can come to terms.

But until then, millions of Americans will be left wondering who's going to take out the trash.

That report by Robin Levinson King in the U.S.

City of Boston.

Trials of an experimental anti-obesity pill that could provide a needle-free alternative to weight loss jabs has found that it helped those who took it to lose around 12% of their body weight over the course of 72 weeks.

That's about 16 months.

The manufacturer, Eli Lilly, says the drug, which is not yet licensed, could be available next year.

Here's our medical editor, Bergus Walsh.

The daily pill called orphaglyparon works by suppressing appetite and making you feel more full.

Preliminary results of a major trial show that those on the highest dose lost an average of 12 kilos, nearly two stone, over 16 months.

But around one in ten stopped taking the pills due to side effects, which included nausea and vomiting.

The 12% weight loss achieved by those taking orphoglipron compares to 22% weight loss for patients on Mounjaro, a weekly injectable drug.

Both are made by Eli Lilly.

Despite being less effective, there's likely to be a significant market for weight loss pills as a needle-free means of cutting obesity levels.

Obesity experts hope the oral drug will be far cheaper than current injectables, which would make it available to many more more patients.

Focus Walsh.

The pioneering Latin jazz pianist and band leader Eddie Palmieri, who won eight Grammys, including the first given for Best Latin Recording, has died at the age of 88.

Tom Sanders looks back at his life.

Born in New York to Puerto Rican parents, Eddie Palmieri became known for his genre-defying sound, blending Afro-Caribbean rhythms with jazz, funk, and soul.

In 1961, he formed La Perfecta, a band that swapped out trumpets for trombones, revolutionizing Latin music with its bold, brassy sound.

Eddie Palmieri won his first Grammy in 1975 for the son of Latin music and went on to collect eight in total, helping to define the sound of salsa during its explosive rise in New York City.

But in his later years, he expressed concern that Latin music had been sidelined.

Our genre, in my opinion, has totally gone away.

The great pioneers are all gone.

Commercial radio does not play our music, which makes it impossible for the youngsters or the young players to know what we're talking about.

You have to give us a nickel shot on the radio, and we haven't had that for many many years.

Despite those frustrations, Palmieri's influences endured.

His career spanned more than seven decades, and he continued recording and performing well into his 80s.

He was described by his fellow musician Carlos Santana as a visionary, and by the jazz great Herbie Hancock as a true architect of Latin jazz.

Tom Saunders on the life of the Latin jazz pianist and bandleader Eddie Palmieri, who has died at the age of 88.

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