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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.

I'm Valerie Sanderson, and at 1300 hours GMT on the 12th of September, these are our main stories.

President Trump says the authorities believe with a high degree of certainty they've caught the suspect in the shooting of the conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

Washington threatens further action against Brazil after the former president Jair Bolsonaro is convicted of plotting a coup.

Israel intensifies its military offensive in Gaza City, issuing a new mass evacuation order for the territory's biggest urban area.

Also, this podcast, ahead of Malawi's election next week, the push to get more women involved in politics.

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We start in the U.S., where, as we record this podcast, President Trump says says he believes the suspect in the shooting of the conservative youth leader, Charlie Kirk, is in custody.

This is what the president said when interviewed on Fox News channels Fox and Friends.

Can I always say, I think, just to protect us all, and so Fox doesn't get sued, and we all don't get sued and everything else, but I think

with a high degree of certainty, we have him.

We're in custody, right?

In custody,

everyone did a great job.

We worked with the local police, the governor.

Everybody did a great job.

Mr.

Trump added, somebody very close to him turned him in.

He said there'd be an announcement later.

There's been a massive manhunt after Charlie Kirk was fatally shot in Utah on Wednesday as he was addressing a student gathering at a university campus.

Since then, people have gathered to pay their respects.

Our correspondent Ned Atoffik has been speaking to people at a vigil in Orem, Utah.

Let us pray.

At an outdoor park, hundreds in Orem turned up to pay their final respects to Charlie Kirk.

Around them, a large policed presence to give them comfort.

Some addressed the crowd to share their reflections.

And some people maybe didn't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said.

100% behind everything he said.

Regardless,

we're here together.

to help each other grow and to heal.

And I believe it's important to realize this is not a battle of right versus left.

This is a battle of good versus evil.

McCain Miller wore a shirt with Charlie Kirk's name drawn in large letters.

The 17-year-old said he became a Republican after listening to and meeting the right-wing activists.

I'm really sad.

I feel like people are feeling angry, but I'm just feeling sadness.

My heart's broken.

I really looked up to him.

And how concerned are you about the direction of the country and what have you made of all of the discussion around his death?

I think it's not going the way that we want to go.

I think we all need to really come together as a country.

And this is an opportunity for us to do that because we're so radically left side and right side, we're both radically positioned so far that we're going to extreme lengths for this.

And this is an example of that right here today.

You're quite emotional right now.

Tell me what you're feeling.

My heart is broken.

Angie Hooley was there with her son Dalton, who witnessed the fatal shooting.

My son is 21, and he

is just coming into

learning about politics.

And I really think that listening and watching his YouTube videos helps him because he has the same values as Charlie Kirk does.

So

you agree, right?

And we pray for

our officers, for the FBI, that they can be blessed with insight and the skills needed to find the shooter and any that are involved.

30-year-old Aaron Lindsay connected with Charlie Kirk because of his faith.

I respect his stance on allowing people to share their opinions.

When we have a platform where we are able to talk civilly, that allows us to form a bridge and understanding.

Charlie Kirk's casket arrived back in his hometown in Arizona as they gathered.

This a final goodbye and a moment of unity during these tense times.

Neda Tofik in Utah.

Brazilians are coming to terms with the news that their former president, Jair Bolsonaro, faces 27 years in jail after being convicted of plotting a coup, as the United States threatened to respond against a ruling President Trump called very bad for Brazil.

This was the moment the Brazilian Supreme Court judge Carmen Lucia delivered the decisive vote to convict Mr.

Bolsonaro.

As the dust settles, reactions inside Brazil reflect a nation divided.

This was the reaction of Paulo Figueiredo, a Bolsonaro supporter and grandson of the former president of Brazil's right-wing military dictatorship.

This is obviously a very sad day for the country.

We can say also that it's very similar to what they tried to do in the United States with former president, now President Donald Trump.

The difference that the institutions in Brazil weren't strong enough to resist the weaponization of the Supreme Court.

So that's why we have right now the most popular leader in the country being sent to prison for 27 years, more than drug dealers, murderers, and observance criminals.

To discuss what the verdict means for Jair Bolsonaro and for Brazil, I've been talking to our World Affairs Reporter, Mimi Swabi.

This has been a highly divisive, highly polarizing case from start to finish, and that has continued in the verdict.

Supporters of Jair Bolsonaro have taken to the street really pushing for amnesty.

They're saying you can't send this 70-year-old man to prison where he will spend the rest of his days.

Brazil has a long history with military dictatorships and rule, but it's always given a sense and have an ethos of forgive, give amnesty, and move on.

But this is a very different approach, a new path for Brazil.

Whereas critics of Ger Bolsonaro have said even plotting a coup, it didn't go through, but even plotting it and being aware of the conspiracy to kill his rival left-wing, the current president,

Luis Ignacio Lula de Silva, that is enough to warrant such an absurdly excessive sentence, according to Bolsonaro's lawyers.

So, does Joe Bolsonaro does he have options to challenge this?

His lawyers definitely will challenge this.

They are looking to appeal, and his supporters in Parliament are really pushing for amnesty, going through the National Congress, starting with the Chamber of Deputies.

Although, this will be really hard to appeal this verdict, as only one out of the five judges acquitted him, not the two needed to actually appeal the the verdict.

So that is a very important fact in this case, which makes the next steps for Bolsonaro to seek any kind of way out of this very difficult.

Now there have been strong words of support for Jaya Bolsonaro from the Trump administration.

How is that going to play into this situation, do you think, in Brazil?

President Donald Trump has been a strong ally of Bolsonaro from the start.

He came out with very strong discourse saying he was very surprised by the verdict and it's very bad for Brazil.

He likened it to his own experiences.

And Washington have said they're going to take the appropriate action.

And this comes after the US has already put 50% tariffs on Brazilian goods.

They sanctioned one of the judges in the case as well.

So it really has even widened the divide.

You've got Bolsonaro supporters backed by the US, the US imposing its economic and political might trying to influence this trial.

And then Lula and his supporters and what he calls Brazilian democracy, which the foreign Ministry today said will not be intimidated by these threats from the US, who, like I said, have come out with some really strong discourse.

They've backed Bolsonaro from the start and seemingly are going to continue to do that.

Mimi Swabi.

Israel has issued another mass evacuation order for Gaza City as it steps up its military offensive there.

Thousands of people have already fled as Israel's military continues to target buildings and areas it claims are being used by Hamas.

Our correspondent, Warrior Davis, is in Jerusalem.

For several days now, Israel has been issuing pretty stark warnings to the one million or so people who live in or are in Gaza City to move further south to an area called Al-Mawasi, which Israel says is a designated safe zone because of Israel's expanding and intensifying military campaign targeted on Gaza City.

But the problem is that Al-Mawasi itself is not really a safe zone.

It's been attacked and people have been killed there.

Also, many people in Gaza City have very little money, very little means to travel.

There is nowhere really in Gaza that can be categorized as safe.

So what's happening is that hundreds of thousands of people are refusing or reluctant to move.

So Israel has now issued a new evacuation order and it says there are six areas in central Gaza and eight areas in southern Gaza towards which people can leave.

And Israel again has designated these as safe zones.

The reality is that many of them are very close to Israeli military positions and you know that there has been increasing military activity all over Gaza.

Gaza so it will be interesting to see if this Israeli warning which is again a very stark warning telling people they're not safe if they don't move if it will be successful or not.

Because a lot of them have moved time and time again already, haven't they?

Yeah, you know that people have been displaced six or seven times during this war, specifically those who live in northern Gaza.

They they were moved south during the ceasefire we had in February, March.

They were some of them were allowed to go back north.

Gaza City being the biggest conurbation, you know, people think it might have more food than other areas.

And a lot of people are living in tents.

They're not even living in houses.

And a lot of buildings, of course, are being destroyed.

The Israeli Prime Minister acknowledged in a speech a couple of days ago that in recent days more than 50 buildings in Gaza City had been blown up by the Israeli Air Force.

So even if people are living there, it's a very temporary existence.

Is the Israeli military saying anything about their strategy?

Not yet.

We haven't had this declaration yet, this expected big ground push by the Israelis, which will include, one is thought, tanks and troops on the ground.

But what Israel and Benjamin Etanyahu wants to do is control the whole of Gaza and defeat Hamas completely before he is ready to end the war.

Wira Davis in Jerusalem.

More than 300 South Korean workers detained last week by the U.S.

immigration authorities have arrived home, marking the end of a saga that had threatened to disrupt the close relationship between the two countries.

The workers arrived at Seoul's International Airport to be greeted by a small crowd, including one person wearing a Donald Trump mask and holding a banner that depicted an ICE agent carrying a gun and a chain.

Our correspondent in Seoul, Gene Mackenzie, was at the airport.

Honestly, they looked exhausted.

I mean, they were very subdued.

Bear in mind that they had just got off a 15-hour flight.

They have spent a week now in detention.

And they had gone to the US to do short-term work to help build this car battery factory.

factory part of the US push really to get companies foreign companies to move their manufacturing to the States and then they were ambushed by these immigration officials about a week ago and carted off in chains and handcuffs which I think was probably the most shocking thing to people here in South Korea but today they were brought through the terminal by one of the companies who'd organized their return so they were brought through in very small groups they were put then onto buses and their families were waiting for them elsewhere so we didn't get to see those emotional family reunions which I'm sure they would have been.

But one man did shout, I'm home, I'm free, so definitely a sense of relief.

What has been reaction to this incident in South Korea?

You say people have been shocked by some of it.

Yeah, I mean, hugely shocked.

If you think that South Korea is one of the US's closest allies, its companies have invested billions in the US.

They've really subscribed to what the US wants, which is trying to move their manufacturing to the States.

So when people here saw those pictures of these workers not only being rounded up and taken to detention, but as I said, like chained and with handcuffs on,

they were absolutely horrified.

And we did have, you mentioned it earlier, but these protesters at the airport, just a couple, but they were holding up these signs saying, you know, look, we invest in your country and you arrest us, you treat us like criminals.

And I think that is what people here are struggling to come to terms with.

You know, these people were here short term to build these factories in the States, to install this quite specialist high-tech equipment.

They weren't planning to work in the United States long term.

The idea is that those jobs in those factories would go to American workers.

And I think it's highlighted this tension between two of Trump's main aims.

He wants these companies to invest in the United States, but at the same time, he wants to cut immigration.

And the US has said all along, well, these workers didn't have the right visas.

But the South Korean government have said, well, yeah, but we've been trying for years to get them the right visas, and you haven't haven't been granting them.

Gene McKenzie.

In Pakistan, rescuers say they're struggling to respond to the growing flood emergency in the province of Punjab.

More than 4,000 villages have been submerged and 2 million people displaced in the country's most populous province.

While across the nation, more than 900 people have been killed since monsoon rains started in June.

Our Pakistan correspondent, Azadeh Mashiri, is in one of the worst affected areas.

In our boat, we pass six men wading through the floods, dragging six of their buffaloes with them.

But one of the animals breaks free and starts drifting away in the currents.

The man can do nothing but look on, as their prized possession and part of their livelihoods disappears into the waters.

Sitting with us is Muhammad Arif.

He's asking for directions because he has lost sight of his entire village.

It's submerged and with vast amounts of water stretching out all around us.

We just can't find it.

People have been stuck for the past six days.

There's no food.

In the distance, we spot two minarets peeking over the edge of the water that guide him him home.

When we get there, many people are desperate to leave, but there isn't space in our boat for all of them.

Some weep as they're forced to leave family members behind.

Back on dry land, those who've been rescued still need help.

Dozens of people run towards a truck full of food and water.

Give me, one girl begs, desperate for a loaf of bread and competing for it with the other children and adults around her.

Despite help from the army, rescuers are struggling to reach everyone who needs help.

In two months, more than two million people have been evacuated in Punjab.

One man, Obaidullah, decides to take matters into his own hands.

A lot of people are still stuck and we are unable to bring our own belongings.

We built a boat for ourselves and we are doing everything ourselves.

We're in a boat with rescuers in the middle of the Sutlej River.

Dozens of families are in this boat.

There are children sitting on their parents' laps.

While many have chosen to go to shelters, stay with families on higher ground, many others are deciding to stay in their village.

They say they've been through so many floods, so many evacuations over the years, they just don't want to go through it all over again.

They'd rather take their chances and face the floods.

More than 40% of people live below the poverty line in Pakistan.

Millions live in areas that are destroyed again and again from annual floods.

But they simply can't afford to move anywhere else.

That's the reality of climate change.

It hits the poorest, the worst.

Azadei Mashiri.

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Russia and Belarus have begun a major joint military exercise close to NATO's eastern flank.

It comes just days after what Warsaw called an unprecedented Russian drone incursion into its territory.

Donald Trump has suggested the incursion might have been a mistake, but that was brushed off by the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

We would also wish that the drone attack on Poland was a mistake, he wrote on X, but it wasn't, and we know it.

Radek Sikorsky is Poland's foreign minister and deputy prime minister.

He's currently in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, and he echoed Mr.

Tusk's comments.

They've come from over both Ukraine and Belarus.

The first one before midnight.

The last one we shot down at 6.30 in the morning.

So the firefight lasted for seven hours.

The same night here in Kiev, over Ukraine, they've sent 400 drones and 40 missiles.

These are no mistakes.

We've had these triannual Zapat exercises before.

They always have an aggressive scenario that includes invading NATO territory.

And in the past, it also included launching a tactical nuclear warhead.

Belarus and Russia have been conducting a hybrid operation of pushing thousands of migrants across the border of the EU.

We've had to build a big and beautiful fence at great expense, over half a billion Euros, and it's taking up thousands of servicemen.

So Belarus is being hostile, and therefore we are taking appropriate action.

That includes closing your border with Belarus, is that right?

Yes, we closed border points before in response to Belarus taking hostages from amongst a minority in Belarus.

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Aaron Powell, have you had any sense about whether this tactic is going to work?

Any dialogue with President Lukashenko, for example?

Well, Russia has asked for us to reconsider, and of course we would reconsider if Belarus finally does what we are asking, stops assaulting our border, releases people in custody who have made who have done no crime.

The Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski talking to James Copnell.

Voters in Malawi go to the polls next Tuesday to elect a president, MPs and local councillors.

More than half of the African country's 7 million registered voters are women, and yet female representation in elected positions remains alarmingly low.

The BBC's Nong Somaseko has been to Malawi to find out more.

A group of rural women sit under a huge mango tree here at Chulua Primary School, more than 100 kilometers from the capital, Lilongwe.

They are attending a workshop on leadership and skills required for those with political ambitions.

The September 16th election has been dominated by the cost of living, poverty, and inequality.

And women here want a place at the table.

Maggie Katawera Banda is the founder of the Women's Manifesto Movement.

We have been implementing a project which we are calling Promoting Gender Inclusive and Youth Transformative Project.

So that project has been targeting women aspirants.

So women that have expressed interest to contest as MPs, as counselors.

We have actually been training them.

We have done a lot of trainings, trainings, the whole Malawi, explaining to them what is the role of an MP, what is the role of a councillor, how can they put up effective campaigns, how do they work with communities, how do they come up with manifestos that are going to appeal to their communities and all that.

The majority of voters are women, and yet very few get elected.

Many have said tradition has taught them that leadership positions are for men, and for the most part, women have not been afforded the opportunity to go to school.

As a woman, it's important to support fellow women who are contesting.

In my case, if there was no requirement to pay nomination fees, I'd contest as a councillor.

Access to funding also plays a huge role in limiting women's participation in politics.

In communities like these, very few can afford to pay 50 US dollars for nominations for being a councillor, let alone $700 for an MP.

At the same time, presidential candidates are required to pay over 5,500 US dollars to stand a chance of being the head of state.

As a result, former President Joyce Bander is the only female presidential candidate out of 17 contenders.

Helen Chabunya is the vice president of the UTM party.

She said women must occupy rooms in which decisions are made.

What we need to change is to have those critical discussions about in Africa, at a pan-African level, and trickle it down to Malawi.

What can these parties do?

What can our legislation do?

What can our party constitutions do to ensure that women do have a seat at the table?

Right now, for this election, I'm hopeful, even though the key four political parties which we are the contest is for, none of them have got a female presidential candidate.

But trust me, in 2030, our generation, my people right now, our generation is going to ensure that this never happens again.

We're working towards breaking down those barriers.

As Malawi plots a way forward to improve lives, a genuine desire to put women at the forefront of political leadership remains a top priority.

Nom Semaseku, reporting from Malawi.

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And finally, to Scotland and hillwalkers aiming to climb some of the most remote mountains in the Highlands have been asked to look for fragments of a meteorite that landed there this summer.

It was the first time a meteorite has come down in the area in more than a century, and experts say the remains could help further our understanding of the early solar system, as Lorna Gordon reports.

The bright burning light of the exploding meteor was captured on cameras across Scotland as it shot across the sky in July.

Using those images and data on the meteorite's trajectory, trajectory, planetary scientists think the small, distinctive fragments of rock from the fireball are likely to have landed across three mountains and a mountain plateau near Dalwinny in the Highlands.

Their own efforts to find the remains were curtailed by bad weather.

They're now in a race against time, warning the more the rocks are left exposed and weathering on Scotland's hills, the less they'll be able to tell about their composition, and are asking walkers to get in touch with the University of Glasgow if they find any small, shiny, heavy black fragments of rock.

Dr.

Anya O'Brien from the UK Fireball Alliance told us more about what happened when the meteorite landed.

So, this fireball on the 3rd of July in Scotland was so bright that, despite it being at one in the morning, it lit up Scotland literally like the night sky.

People saw it across the country.

People heard a massive sonic boom that sounded like a bomb to some people.

Apparently, there are people in Fort William who thought that there was an explosion, and there was an explosion, it was just of space rocks and nothing more worrying than that.

So this fireball streaked across the sky and we think dropped up to 10 kilos at a time of space rock across the highlands.

So we're really keen to have this meteorite retrieved because scientifically there'd be so much value.

So we think the kind of meteorite it is is probably older than the Earth or at least lots of parts of it are.

So what we're asking for is if anyone is out Monroe bagging, there are three Monroes on the the fall line, we're asking them to be thinking about meteorite bagging as well.

So, if you want to bag a Monroe, you can bag a meteorite.

And quite literally, we'd like you to bag it.

So, ideally, if you think you found a meteorite, you wouldn't touch it with your bare hands because then it might contaminate the stone.

They're not toxic, don't worry, there's no risk there.

If you think you found one, what you're looking for is something dark and shiny.

Probably realistically, it's going to look quite different to anything around it.

It's going to look out of place.

Dr.

Onya O'Brien.

And that's it from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News podcast later.

If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, send us an email.

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This edition was mixed by Russell Newloff.

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