480: The Deliverance

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Speaker 1 And she lays down with him, but the hole to hell is still there.

Speaker 1 Cuts to a contractor the next day. This is not good.
This is good.

Speaker 1 This is not going to be cheap.

Speaker 1 Whoa, it's going to cost you. Eli, would you take Hole to Hell in your basement over what's been happening in the middle of the day? Oh, really?

Speaker 1 The devil and I have so much in common. He'd be like, I love your recordings, man.
We all sort of gather near the hole.

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Speaker 1 Welcome back to the Gamcast, where each week we sample another selection from Christian Cinema because anything is an improvement over these fucking political ads. I'm your host, Matt Illusions.

Speaker 1 Heath is off this week, but sitting 900 miles to my northeast is my bad friend Eli Bosnick. Eli, how are you this fine afternoon, sir? Enjoying my tide commercials in deep blue, New Jersey.

Speaker 1 I was in England for a while and they're just like, I like Nutella on my cruppets. And I'm like, yes, these are ads I can get behind.

Speaker 1 And also, speaking of England, also joining us this week is the editor of Skeptic Magazine, project director of the Good Thinking Society, co-host of Skeptics with a K, and co-organizer of Earth's best skeptical conference, Michael Marshall.

Speaker 1 Marsh, welcome back. Oh, do you guys have an election coming up? We hear nothing about it over here.

Speaker 1 I've never even heard that you have an election. I have no idea who's running.
We get none of your news or information dominating our news and information 24-7.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, is it that you would like to talk about the political situation in England more? Is that Marshall? You want to discuss how it's going over there? I mean, these days, yes.

Speaker 1 Come back to what you guys have got. Yeah, we've had elections.

Speaker 1 Just take your election. Just have a shorter election.
Have you guys thought of this? This is the shorter election, though. We need

Speaker 1 this this time.

Speaker 1 That is true. That is true.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So tell us, Marsh,

Speaker 1 other than our election, what will we be breaking down today?

Speaker 1 So we watched The Deliverance.

Speaker 1 It's the inspired by a true story of a young mother of three who has to battle demonic possession when what she'd really prefer to be doing is abusing her children, apparently. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like the exorcist, but where the demon is only the second most evil thing in the movie. Really? Okay.
Here's the realization I had about four minutes before the end of this movie.

Speaker 1 There is a good argument to be made that this movie is about a demon's attempt to rescue children

Speaker 1 from their future mother. Yeah, that's very accurate.

Speaker 1 Just think about the demon gets them taken out of the house and then beats the shit out of her. Things that I also wanted to do once you write movies.
Yep.

Speaker 1 I won't spoil too much of the ending, but at the end, she has a fight with the demon. I was rooting for the demon

Speaker 1 with my whole heart-tussy. Yep.

Speaker 1 And Eli, how bad was this movie?

Speaker 1 Well, if you loved your first sleepover at a friend's house with a dysfunctional family, but you wish there was actual child endangerment being used as a spooky haunted house the whole time, you will love this movie.

Speaker 1 It's like if you got to the end of Splash Mountain and they were like, and that's what it was like to be Captain Phillips. That's what the story looks like.

Speaker 1 No, this look. This might have been the most offensive.
Maybe it was a ghost in our tenure as film critics. And we did Exorcism of Emily Rose.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That is true. And also, like, it is, it says it's inspired by a true story.

Speaker 1 And that's right in the sense that it is true that she told this story to explain why her children had so many mysterious bruises. So this is a true story that she told to explain

Speaker 1 a true lie. It's a true lie lie that a lady told.
Exactly. All right.
So is there anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best of being the worst at?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to go with best, worst. Oh, shit.
Is that the time? We better get on with this movie. Right?

Speaker 1 We get an hour in, and it's just this kind of slightly boring family drama

Speaker 1 amongst like very unlikable characters.

Speaker 1 And there's not a great day of spooky stuff going on to the point where I was starting to worry that you've made me watch another film we can't use for gambling. I was genuinely worried about it.

Speaker 1 I mean, spooky stuff came in, rescued the whole thing, but I was worried for a while. You make Marsh watch one 90-minute documentary on Bitcoin, and all of a sudden he's Mr.
Shakespeare over there.

Speaker 1 All right, so I'm going to go with, we've already kind of touched on this, but I'm going to go with the best, worst science can't explain it, right?

Speaker 1 Because every demon movie needs a moment where the doctors examine them and they're like, well, there's nothing physically wrong with them at all.

Speaker 1 This movie has to reach the furthest over its shoulder to get to its ass of any movie we've ever seen do that. Yes.

Speaker 1 The Wikipedia article for the haunting this is based on has a section called skeptical explanation. It does.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's right.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to go with best worst villain. As we've teased, the villain of this movie is

Speaker 1 child protective services. Yes, it is.
Now, again, I just want to be clear.

Speaker 1 Child protective services is in a lot of movies trying to take kids away from a mother who isn't abusive.

Speaker 1 In this movie, child protective services is taking kids away from a mother who is abusive, and they still do the spooky music when this woman shows up at the door. She should have fucked too.

Speaker 1 All right, well, with Marcia's assurance in advance that there will be a horror movie in here somewhere, we're gonna pause for a quick break.

Speaker 1 And when we come back, we'll dive into all the child endangerment that is

Speaker 1 the deliverance.

Speaker 1 Haunted Haushowitz. Oh, amazing.
I mean, it writes itself. Right? Hey, movie writers who write horror movies based on supposedly true stories.
Do you, you guys got a second? Sure. Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 What's up? I was just headed out for donuts, and I couldn't help but notice that the next movie you guys are working on is about the Latoya Ammons haunting. That sure is, yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you guys are aware that that lady very clearly was just abusing her kids and used demonic possession as an excuse, right? Oh, yeah, no, of course, obviously.

Speaker 1 Like, they were examined by several doctors and psychologists who verified that there were not any demons, that these were sick, sick kids. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, even if they had believed her, demons aren't real. Yeah.
Aren't real. Exactly.

Speaker 1 So, what I was going to say is, like, if you make a movie about her story from her perspective, you will be explicitly covering for a child abuser. Yeah, man.
Yeah. Got it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you guys are sure there isn't a hell for us to go to? Yeah, man. We're sure.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I got it.

Speaker 1 Because if anyone deserves to go, there is no hell, man. Got it.
Got it.

Speaker 1 You guys want a donut? Oh, do they have a bear claw? Yeah. Get your bear claw.

Speaker 1 Let's see. There's Pug Monthly, Pug Annual, Pug Lover magazine.
Yeah, for the last time, Eli, I get it. But do you get it, though? Hey guys.

Speaker 1 What are you doing? Eli's trying to convince me to hold QED in the pug cafe next year. I'm saying he could double his audience.
Did you hear all those magazines, Marsh?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not sure that that's the crossover we were exactly looking for. But Eli, that's so many subscriptions.
How do you make sure you're not being charged by a pug subscription that you don't use?

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It sure is.

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Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to rocketmoney.com slash awful movies. That's rocketmoney.com slash awful movies.

Speaker 1 Rocketmoney.com slash awful movies. All right, Eli.
Thanks. Oh, did I say pug yearly? Is that different from pug annual? Yeah, they split over editorial differences.
Ah, you hate to see it. Really do?

Speaker 1 And we're back for the breakdown, and we're going to open up on a quote that doesn't have an attribution. I think it's because of racism, because the guy who said it was Chinese, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 But it's, I need forgiveness for my sins, but also deliverance from the power of sin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was nice, though, because you knew this was Jesus-y. This was not a doll situation.
We're going full Jesus in this, bad boy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, also, that quote is kind of like, forgive me, but like, it totally wasn't my fault. If sin is so powerful, it's not, it's not on me.
Right.

Speaker 1 And then the next line that comes up on screen is, I need forgiveness for what I have done, but deliverance from from what I am. And I wrote the Eli Bosnick story.

Speaker 1 And then we get the, of course, inspired by true events claim, which is a double lie because it's Christian and a haunted house story. So yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 And then we get the most shocking and frightening moments of the entire fucking movie. In the credits, we see the name Glenn Close.
Yeah, Glenn Close. Eight-time Academy Award nominee.

Speaker 1 Glenn fucking close. What? Like, what happened? Yes.

Speaker 1 I can't even imagine. I spent the entire

Speaker 1 movie trying to imagine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because like when this, when Glenn Close came up, I thought, oh, fuck, this might just be a good film. Yep.
Because it also comes up, Omar Epps, the guy from House.

Speaker 1 I thought, okay, I know that guy as well. This is two actors that I know now.
This might be a good film. This might be a worry.
It isn't. It's fine.
It's a terrible film.

Speaker 1 But I was worried for a moment there. No.
And they enter this movie like when Wizard of Oz was in color, right?

Speaker 1 Like the moments that they're in them, there are real actors, but then the camera pans back over to the other actor being like, I'll tell you what, I ain't haunted by no ghosts today, for sure.

Speaker 1 No, honestly, like generally speaking, the casting of this movie was way too good for the script of this film, you know, just even setting aside Glenn Close and Omar Apps. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're starting our movie off in Pittsburgh in 2011 with this kid painting a Batman mural. Why a a Batman mural?

Speaker 1 Why, because I had just gotten an amazing VR Batman game the previous day that I wasn't allowing myself to play because I had to watch this stupid fucking movie.

Speaker 1 So the very first scene, the kid's in a goddamn Batman shirt, painting a goddamn Batman.

Speaker 1 He puts on a VR headset. Oh, wow, this is so much better than the movie you're watching.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, he almost could have put on a VR headset because this movie set in the past is 2011. It's like the 2011 can't be the past.
That's like when London did the Olympics.

Speaker 1 That is not like set this in the past, your period piece kind of thing.

Speaker 1 They've got iPhones. They will have iPhones and not even the first iPhone.
These are later model iPhones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. It's set in 2011.
They're already talking about needing the newest iPhone. It's so sad.

Speaker 1 And I should point out that like. The demonology of this movie will reflect the modernity of this movie, right? Long gone are the days when it was like, and then things flew around the room.

Speaker 1 It's like, trust me, it was a demon.

Speaker 1 Unless I was in the basement in a fist fight with myself, that's what I thought. Yeah, right.
Right. So this, this kid, this is the youngest of three kids.
This is Andre.

Speaker 1 And he calls his mom up to show her his finished mural. And she's like, yeah, pretty good, I guess.
Fine. It's fine.
Yeah. She gives him a meh.
Yep.

Speaker 1 So, to the point where you assume that like somebody died very recently and this character is supposed to still be in mourning. But no, she just doesn't give a shit about her kids' Batman mural.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's fair because if you look at some of the characters he's drawn, one of them is a family with what looks like their pet gingerbread man. So, like, that is not great talent.

Speaker 1 Maybe she's just like, look, kid, you're going to have to at some point choose your lane, and this and painting is not your lane. So, let's not encourage this too early.
Let's

Speaker 1 try the flute. Here's a recorder.
Let's get you into some music or something.

Speaker 1 So, okay, but then we cut to Glenn Close at our otherwise black black church, and she's just looking like the inside of Donald Trump's drain trap with all that bronzer. Oh,

Speaker 1 she stands out at this evangelical church exactly like, and in the same way that I stood out when I went to see the Peter Popov show in London.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, I should have thought about the demographics here. I am going to be obvious.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And unlike Marsh, she's trying to play like she's like clapping. She's like, yep, I belong here.
This is also where we get our first scene with her minister.

Speaker 1 And this minister seems to be faking her way through Lazarus. Like she didn't read the homework.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Like she's pretty sure she knows the story of Lazarus, but she's waiting for the crowd to agree before she gives details. She's like, and Lazarus

Speaker 1 died. And everyone's like, woo! She's like, yeah, he fucking died.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 And yeah, so we get that. And then we get Glenn Close eating dinner with the otherwise black family, right? So she is, I guess, supposed to be the grandmother of this family.
Her daughter is Ebony.

Speaker 1 And Ebony's children are Andre's the youngest and then the daughter Shanti is the middle kid and then Nate is the oldest son. Yeah, Nate is the kid from Stranger Things.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's very much like carving a niche in the in his career of just around spooky stuff. You want Nate from this guy from Stranger Things.
Yeah, yeah, Lucas. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And this movie is so sure our dicks are going to be blown off by a mixed family. They keep being like, that's right.
You're my daughter. My blood daughter.
And I'm like, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 Why do you keep saying it like that?

Speaker 1 Right. But think about it then.
Like, Glenn Claus is white. Her daughter's black.
And so this, this lady names her black baby. Ebony.
That is way on the nose for you white ladies.

Speaker 1 I pick a different name. And it's not even like, so I spent the whole movie assuming that that was just like the name of the person that this was based on in real life, but it's not.

Speaker 1 The actor decided to rename this African-American character, Ebony. Yeah.
All the names. So I checked.
There's a black writer and a white writer on this movie.

Speaker 1 I promise you, white writer handled all the names because they changed all the names, and all the names are exactly what you would ask a white guy who wrote this movie to name black characters. Ebony.

Speaker 1 A white guy who saw the first few episodes of the first series of The Wire, but couldn't get into the dialogue, so didn't watch any more of the rest of it. He named the characters in this.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, and we're supposed to be getting this scene where Glenn Close and her daughter, you can see that they have a troubled relationship.

Speaker 1 But the way that this writer handles that is that they just go, you know what? Fuck you.

Speaker 1 Well, fuck you. Shut the fuck up.
They're zero seconds into this scene before she yells, shut the fuck up at her. And I was like, weird Christian movie.
Weird. Also, like the criticism.

Speaker 1 So this, this argument blows up over the food. And Glenn Close, apparently, what she hates about the food, you know, Ebony is saying, oh, there you go again with your too much garlic criticism.

Speaker 1 That's a weird subject for an ongoing family of food. You've overdone the cloves.

Speaker 1 But like, I get it because my dad actually genuinely refused to have any garlic in the house when I was growing up because he didn't want, quote, any of that foreign stuff in the house.

Speaker 1 Garlic does grow wild in the forest near my village, but apparently that is too far afield for my dad's culinary tastes. Literally too far afield.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 There's also this great moment here where the kid asks for another glass of milk and she's like, no, you're lactose intolerant. And he's like, I'm not lactose intolerant.

Speaker 1 You're just just cheap yeah which is a great moment until the mom abuser physically abuses him for this right yeah

Speaker 1 straight in the face yeah yep yeah absolutely yeah also it is weird that she's too cheap to give him milk they're feeding him catfish is catfish with too much garlic not like that sounds like quite a pricey meal i don't know how cheap catfish is but milk is pretty cheap

Speaker 1 It's one of the cheapest staples for sure. But yeah, this is where she hits the kid.

Speaker 1 And this is where I wrote, for the first, but definitely not the last time in my notes, literally anything that happens to her for the rest of the movie is fine by me. Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, so Glenn Close gets up all indignant and I'm like, hey, she just set up the rules that you're allowed to hit your kid and she's your kid. Hit her.
Hit her. Hit her.
Hit her. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 If she just powerbombed her on the kitchen table,

Speaker 1 so many ways this movie could have been better. I did want the child to respond to being hit in the face by like.
shitting violently because he actually was lactose intolerant. I did want that.

Speaker 1 And it didn't happen, but yeah, I did want it.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So then it's that night.
The sister, Shantae, is texting with her dad about when he's going to be at home. He's stationed in Iraq.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and she's texting with the keyboard sounds and the message delivery sounds on. So this is officially a horror film by this point.

Speaker 1 All she needs to do is be behind Marsh on the train. And it's the scariest possible movie.
She's also got the keyboard on her phone.

Speaker 1 It's a small detail, but the keyboard on her phone is zoomed into specifically big enough that my dad can see it from Iraq. That is how zoomed in this one is.

Speaker 1 And then she, and she, I guess she shares shares a room with her brothers. She goes, which one of you farted? Spoiler, that's demon fart that she's smelling there.
That's what we're setting up.

Speaker 1 That's me.

Speaker 1 But we don't know that at this point. So it's just weird that this scene kind of comes to an end with the kids apparently having farted so badly that like loads of flies are attracted.

Speaker 1 And I thought that is before I knew that this was leading to demon. That's a very weird detail that it's like.
They just fart and then attract flies is kind of what these kids have got going on. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And well, look, guys, as long as the movie doesn't later explain why there would be flies and a bad smell in this house, I think we can all agree this is very demony and scary.
Very demonic.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, that's how the scene goes.
We hear her go, who farted? And then we see mom downstairs adding up bills with a calculator, like you do. Christian Prudy.

Speaker 1 Yep, exactly. And there are flies buzzing all over the place.
And we're like, wow, that was an Eli-level fart.

Speaker 1 But of course, we also know that buzzing flies fuck specifically with Eli's misophonia.

Speaker 1 So this movie was like revenge against Eli like by himself right Eli avenging himself and they did it constantly throughout the movie every time I would put my headphones back in and stop listening like just with my computer speakers they'd be like oh look the flies are back

Speaker 1 but it is it's so loud but like she just looks up and then suddenly notices but did she not notice there were like a thousand flies just knocking around her spooky basement did she only just spotted this yeah Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's an entire plague of flies and they're coming from the basement.

Speaker 1 And I had the early theory that the dad was dead and rotting in the basement and all of the texts that the daughter was receiving were from his ghost.

Speaker 1 I thought that's where we're going to go with this. It isn't.
That would have been a good, a good move. So much better.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, and so mom sees that there are a bunch of flies, like a corpse level of flies, and she just closes the basement door.
She's like,

Speaker 1 I don't want to deal with a corpse right now. I got bills to pay.
Out of sight, out of mind. Very much so.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So, but late that night, Dre

Speaker 1 wakes up and he goes down to the fridge in his underwear and chugs a whole gallon of milk. Well, he mostly pours it on the floor around him, but some of it he chugs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so this kid, he really, really wants to drink about a third of a carton of milk, but like evenly sampled throughout the carton. That's the only example he has to do.
Yeah, exactly. Right, right.

Speaker 1 Well, and again, this is supposed to be the first demon thing that the demon makes him do besides fart, I guess, or make the smell.

Speaker 1 So, again, my pet theory that this is about a demon trying to save a kid, right? Just waking him up, being like, Hey, kid, you can have some milk. Your mom's a fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 Oh, god, yeah, get on down there, kiddo. I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat your mom up at the end of the movie.

Speaker 1 Eli's gonna give me a standing ovation. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 You just wanted, like, at the end of this scene, while he finishes drinking the milk, and you'll see his hair tussle a little bit, and it's the demon.

Speaker 1 All right,

Speaker 1 two stories, and then bedtime, okay? Do that,

Speaker 1 But then he goes downstairs, it goes outside and he stares a bird to death. Yeah, or he sees a dead bird, which would be even less climactic.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because like the bird smashes into the window, I think, for some reason. But we don't know why.
Oh, is that? Yeah, he looks at it.

Speaker 1 He doesn't even blink when we see the bird smash into the window and crack the window. It actually even cracks the window.
That doesn't come back in any way.

Speaker 1 And I don't think the window is cracked at any other point in this film. I actually know why that bird is there.
It's part of child bird protective services. What? That's not even

Speaker 1 the pro and bird area?

Speaker 1 Protective.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 1 People are rolling at home. No, they're not.
I call it that. I try to figure out.

Speaker 1 They're wiping tears from their eyes.

Speaker 1 If you want your child protective services t-shirt, you don't. Child protective services.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So the next day,

Speaker 1 we're going to ignore it, by the way, not just the dead bird and the crack in the window and everything, but also the milk, right?

Speaker 1 Nobody's ever going to respond to the fact that there's not milk or that there's milk poured all over the fucking floor. All over the floor, like literally, like a leech milk all over the floor.

Speaker 1 No wonder there's flies all over this house if there's just milk being poured all over the kitchen floor and nobody does anything about it. Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 Later, we're going to do that same thing, but with a dead body in this movie. So I guess the milk is not the

Speaker 1 we'll forget about that eventually. So Ebony is now on the phone with a bill collector trying to talk him down or something, right? She should have used rocket money.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then we see the kids around the corner bullying Nate, the older brother, on his way to school. This is completely irrelevant to the larger story as well.
It will not come up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the only reason it's worth mentioning is because later in this scene, she goes and kicks that guy in the nuts. Yeah.
That is true. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The only nice thing she does for her children in the movie, and it's just a chance to be violent. Yeah.
She just likes hitting. Kick another child in the nuts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, but while she's cleaning the house up and talking to the person who's trying to repossess her car, she finds a bottle of vodka and a lot of money in Nate's closet. Right.

Speaker 1 And the way she finds it is weird because she's trying to hang shirts on the rail in the closet. But when she tries to put one on, she can't get the shirt to go onto the rail.
She like the rail, the

Speaker 1 hanger doesn't go over the rails. It's like, is the bottle of vodka stopping the shirt going on the rail? Like the fact that there's a bottle of vodka on the shelf, like two, three feet below.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, but she, she finds it, she goes downstairs to confront Nate as he's getting home from school about it. But this is where she realizes that the bullies are picking on him.

Speaker 1 And she's like, hey, hitting my kids is my thing. Yeah.
Right. Exactly.
I'm the only one who's learned to beat up my kids. Damn it.
So she goes and kicks that kid in the nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she does go and just hit another child. It is a different child that she hits.

Speaker 1 Most of her character work is hit, is which child she's hitting at which point. Yeah.
Uh-huh. So she kicks that kid in the nuts, talks some shit to him.
The kick in the nuts.

Speaker 1 Did we all cheer cheer when you kick him in the nuts because the thing oh absolutely yeah she kicks him the ball so hard even the soundtrack felt it because the music stopped dead at the point of impact

Speaker 1 the guy playing the uh the violin in the background has gone oh

Speaker 1 she got you there

Speaker 1 So yeah, so then she goes back and Glenn Close tells her she's being a very bad mother. And I'm like, that's the best mothering she's done so far in the movie, though, right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's like, you were a bad mom. And it's like, that actually doesn't preclude you from being a bad mom.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm sure sure your mom was a bad mom because you're you, but that also, the you can stop being a bad mom.

Speaker 1 Doesn't excuse your bad mommery. Yeah.
But Ebony tells Glenn that her Christianity is bullshit, real quick, that she'll do that a few more times before it's over.

Speaker 1 And then Ebony goes out back for a joint. Now, Dre, the younger son, is he's demon chanting to an invisible friend, and it takes mom way too long to acknowledge this.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But in fact, we hear the fly sound effect at the same time, which makes it seem like the kid is just having a chat with some flies. Like the flies have not moved in.
He's making friends.

Speaker 1 He's like being neighborly. I think that's what I assumed was happening here.
Yeah. Fly old protective service.

Speaker 1 That's closer. We're getting there.

Speaker 1 We'll iterate our way into a pun.

Speaker 1 I'll have a joke by the end of this podcast. Yeah, damn it.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So then we cut to the family watching TV.
Public domain movies is their favorite genre.

Speaker 1 They're watching public domain movies and they know them all by heart. They've memorized this movie from like the 60s or whatever.
Yeah. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 It's so rough watching Glenn Close do this and just doing the any of the script.

Speaker 1 Like every line that she says is terrible to the point where I came up with a new theory at this point, which is that Glenn Close is actually possessed by a demon, like in real life, not a character, but in real life.

Speaker 1 And that's how she ended up with this remove. All right.
Yeah, this is the demon's version of turning her head 360 degrees. Siskel's final revenge.
Right.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. So they do some lines from this movie.
And this is where Ebony's like, hey, Shantae, maybe we can't afford to do your birthday this year.

Speaker 1 And Shantae yells at her for being poor and goes upstairs. They will actually afford to do her birthday this year.

Speaker 1 So this scene is really just another chance for the movie to show us that Ebony is a bad mom. Yes.
And terrible with money.

Speaker 1 Absolutely terrible with money yeah so okay so that night we get dre going down into the basement to check on whatever rotting ass corpse is drawing flies to it again and like we've seen characters now three times go wow a lot of flies in the basement better close that door right

Speaker 1 then we get mom coming downstairs and just like looking around to see if maybe there's a horror movie going on here damn it is there a plot down here no she's strafing around the house like she's in the first person shooter at some point she's like moving sideways.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This is a very old way of getting around.
Yeah. Corner peeks.

Speaker 1 But also there's a moment here where she's like, the basement door is open, but it was closed just a moment ago. And we're like, really? Is that what we're, is that where we're going for?

Speaker 1 Is that what we've got so far? A child drinking milk he's not allowed and a door that was open. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, okay. Then we cut to Glenclose trying on different wigs.
This is where we sort of, where we surprise everybody with the she has cancer moment. Yeah, we've got cancer mom, Christian movie.

Speaker 1 We're taking all the boxes here. It's good.
Yep. Yep.
Yep. So she, we get her, she, she goes in for her chemo where she flirts with Omar Epps for a bit.

Speaker 1 She sexually harasses Omar Eppie homophobically. Yeah.
Oh, she's right. She does.
Ask me out or you're gay. And Omar Epps is like, I would like a dick to suck.

Speaker 1 And it's such a weird moment because like there's other cancer patients in the cancer ward and they are just being being pissy about the fact that she's showing off too much cleavage while receiving Climo.

Speaker 1 And do those come? I assume those conversations don't happen, that people are like catty about how attractive the other cancer patients look. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 I love, Marsh, that you accidentally said Climo, which is like the cleavage version of chemo.

Speaker 1 That's what she gets.

Speaker 1 I don't know much about chemo, but if they put you next to other people that you have to make small talk with, I would like to argue right now that that is the worst part of having cancer.

Speaker 1 So yeah, so she goes to leave after she gets a date with Omar Apps, and they stop her to tell her she's behind on her chemo payments. And I'm like, yeah, Mars, this is how it works.

Speaker 1 They repo the chemo. This is the scariest bit of this fucking movie that you're going to see, the American healthcare system.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, absolutely for sure.

Speaker 1 But we don't even get a good, like, accurate representation of the American healthcare system because it turns out she's off her insurance and and the daughter's been paying again out of pocket for chemo and we find out her daughter works at a salon just a just like a perfectly good job but it's not pay out of pocket for chemotherapy levels of work I don't imagine sure the fuck isn't yeah well and she like as she's going on she's like oh it must be the Medicare they're like oh we don't take Medicare it's been your daughter that's been paying for it and I'm like Instead of using Medicare, this is just dumb.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm sorry, like, I know she likes this chemo, but unless you've got the money to do it, that's just dumb. This one's like six blocks closer to the house.
You understand?

Speaker 1 That's why I have to deny my daughter a birthday party. Yes, right.

Speaker 1 So, okay. Then we see Ebony walking home late that night, and Glenn has to confront.

Speaker 1 So now that we know that Glenn Close has cancer, she can look like it, right? Yes. She can be dressed like she has cancer.
She's dressing extra cancery as well, just to make the point at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And we've also established at this point that Ebony is an alcoholic. So she's coming home drunk, but she's like, it's okay.
I didn't drive. I walked home.
So it's all right.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, that was very responsible of her. I think the movie wanted us to give way more credit for that than we thought.

Speaker 1 Like we were supposed to be like, look, she might physically abuse her children and be financially irresponsible, but she took an Uber. Yes.
Yeah. Did not drunk drive.
Yeah. Protagonists.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so, but Glenn confronts her about making her chemo payments and she's like, how dare you? And she's like, I did. And she's like, oh,

Speaker 1 that's, I guess that's the scene. Then they didn't write any more dialogue for us.
Will this affect other moments in the movie? No, we'll actually never talk about it again. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 1 So Ebony goes upstairs. She passes out and she dreams that more interesting shit is happening in the movie.

Speaker 1 And they only left this in because this is one of the few things that were reported by the actual true, like the true case was like, oh, I was lying down once and I had a dream someone was in my house so you know demonic possession and not just yep regular dream just a regular you're telling me dreaming about a person isn't perfect evidence of demonic possession marsha i mean sometimes skepticism goes too far where's your

Speaker 1 where's your curiosity you know what i'm saying yeah where's your nickel when you need him yeah yeah well and she runs out of the bedroom with a bat yelling who's in my house and i'm like well glenn close and your three children so be careful with that fucking bat yeah you know that there are four other people living here plus a whole load of flies as well.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I actually, at this point, because we're seeing the flies again, I had a new theory that she's paying for all that chemo by illegally subletting the basement to all those flies.

Speaker 1 And all those flies are paying rent.

Speaker 1 Well, that would make sense because as she walks by, she literally mumbles to herself, damn basement door, and then she just shuts it again.

Speaker 1 But once again, she doesn't check on the source of the flies. She just locks the door and then she goes to vomit in the sink in case this wasn't unpleasant enough to listen to.

Speaker 1 It's a very casual vomit as well. It's sort of like, oh, there's a sink here.
I might as well make use of it. Like, she couldn't held it in, but it was just convenient.
I could vomit. I could vomit.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm at the vomitorium. Have a cheeky little vomit, then.
Why not?

Speaker 1 Ah, you've been a good girl. Have a little vomit.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that's Andy.

Speaker 1 But then she gets done with her vomit and she looks up and Nate, her oldest son, is just staring weirdly at her. And he wants to know where the fuck his wad of money is.
Right. Right.

Speaker 1 So she's like, well, where did you get money from? And he's like, I just, I had my dad sent it to me. Probably.
We don't know. It doesn't fucking matter to the movie.
And then she hits him. Again.

Speaker 1 He hits her back. Nice.
Yep. Then.
Dre runs in to help his brother and he falls over and hits himself. Which I assume he slipped on a puddle of milk, yes.
Oh, right, right. Probably.

Speaker 1 And look, this is not intended to be a hilarious series of Rube Goldberg injuries, but that's what it is, though. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 I wanted every single member of the cast to walk into that room and fall over. Like, Glenn Cross comes in, Omar Eps comes in, just every single person.
It's a big pile on the floor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My cooking oil. Yes.

Speaker 1 Each of the flies comes in and somehow falls over.

Speaker 1 It's really hard to trip them. You've got six legs.
You've got to trip each leg independently.

Speaker 1 More like slide protective services. One.

Speaker 1 But here's the other thing about all these scenes, right? All these scenes are very clearly this abusive mom's excuse that she later made up, right? She hit her kids, right?

Speaker 1 She threw her kids around the kitchen. She deserves the death penalty.
And now these movie makers are making it like part of their spooktacular. I can't emphasize enough how much I dislike that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's straight up fucking evil. Yeah, it really is.
They might as well make a movie about how like the Jews keep getting pushed into these ovens at our friendly hot camp.

Speaker 1 But yeah, but so. Then we get the next scene where she gives Nate his money back.
Apparently, she did just steal her kids' fucking money. Yeah.
Yeah. She puts it in his bedside drawer.

Speaker 1 His drawer, I counted, his drawer contains nine Crayola crayons and a condom. That is mixed mixed messages if ever actually

Speaker 1 for you maybe

Speaker 1 right but but this is supposed to be a redeeming moment from her for her like right she's got all these bills but even then she didn't steal any of her kids money okay yeah she comes in she apologizes for being an abusive alcoholic so you know she's trying Yeah, almost in those words as well.

Speaker 1 The dialogue is so bad in this entire thing. The entire drama here feels so reductive.

Speaker 1 It feels like they took inspiration from American fiction, but only from the fake book that Monk publishes as a satire on Black Experience.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's what we're watching. We're watching the film adaptation of adaptation of his book.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Tyler Perry passed on this one.

Speaker 1 So then we get like, I guess they've hauled somebody about the flies. So we get the guy who goes down into their basement to get the rotting cat corpse out.
Yeah. Which would explain the flies then.

Speaker 1 Yep. It's perfectly explanation.
Like, why did nobody look to see where all the flies in the basement are coming from? Yeah, absolutely. Well, and then the guy comes out and he's like, it'll be $60.

Speaker 1 And they're like, we don't have $60. He's like, I'm going to put the dead cat back then.
And I'm like, well,

Speaker 1 now they know it's a dead cat and where it is. This isn't fucking Ghostbusters.
Like, sure, put it back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, they should just follow him in.

Speaker 1 As soon as they put it on the floor, they just pick it straight back up again. Yeah, it's just like

Speaker 1 a trash bag. Now I owe you $60.

Speaker 1 But mom doesn't have the money. Nate's like, well, don't put the dead cat back there.
I'll give you $60 out of my wad of money. And just as he's getting the money for the guy,

Speaker 1 who should pull up outside but Monique?

Speaker 1 Yuck. Child Protective Services is here to break up this super chill family.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. So Monique plays the character of Cynthia, who is, I guess, mom was in jail and she's like on probation or something.

Speaker 1 And Cynthia is the child protective services social worker that is looking after her kids. And we learn in this scene that like mom moved without telling Cynthia where she was going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I believe the court calls that fleeing. Yes, exactly.
Right.

Speaker 1 But Glenn Close, like when Cynthia comes in, like Glenn Close bows up like she's going to kick Monique's ass, right?

Speaker 1 But she storms out. All the kids come in.
And then this this is where we

Speaker 1 have the first of several.

Speaker 1 Hey, would you like to explain all these bruises on your children moments of the movie? Which is such a weird thing because, like, are we meant to think?

Speaker 1 Because she tries to say, Oh, I don't know where this came from, these came from somewhere else, and this is school. But, like, we have seen her beating her kids, we've seen you hit your kids.

Speaker 1 Are we meant to think, like, oh, she's telling the truth, but it looks bad? Because, like, we saw you doing each of these things. You punched your kid in the face at one point, right?

Speaker 1 The movie doesn't want us to sympathize with child protective services, right?

Speaker 1 What they want us to do is watch this scene and go, well, child protective services isn't giving this actually abusive parent nearly enough credit for the hitting she's not doing.

Speaker 1 But I don't know that they are. Okay, because like if that's what they wanted to do, then they could show these kids getting these injuries.

Speaker 1 But we don't, we don't know what they are, right? Like, so the, the, the, Cynthia turns to Shante and goes, hey, what are all those bruises on your arm?

Speaker 1 And we look look, and it looks like somebody's grabbed her by the arm really hard, but we never saw that happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have no idea what those were, which it's if they're setting up that that was a demon, show that. Yes, or if they're setting up that it's the mom, show that.

Speaker 1 But it's it's a mystery to us, and we're meant to be the ones who actually are sympathetic here. Yeah, it's awful filmmaking.
This is how desperate this movie is to make the CPS lady look bad.

Speaker 1 At one point, they do this long lingering shot of her putting her feet up on the furniture. Like, we're supposed to be like, pretty rude, huh?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Really? Shoes on the couch? Yeah. While you're trying to protect these children? Isn't it a reclining chair as well, though? It is a reclining chair.
It's kind of close to reclining chair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is what that chair is meant to do. It is.
It's not even feet on the bed. Yeah, it's not even shoes on the bed level rude.

Speaker 1 Because, again, while this woman was being interviewed or whatever for this movie and she was like, oh, and you know another thing that was rude about child protective services when they were stopping me from abusing my kids, she put her feet up.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 yep like she lived there come on guest so yeah but so she's asking about the bruises and why is andre all hunched over like somebody hit him in the stomach last night she's like as he slipped on a fly and some milk it was a so we saw it was a rube goldberg thing and then cynthia goes to leave and there's some lady that we've never met like a parked across the street staring at them

Speaker 1 She'll be important or something.

Speaker 1 She'll make sure this is a horror movie, movie, damn it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I swear there's a horror movie in this shit somewhere, but I'll be damned if we're going to find it before we take our first break because we're already there and not a goddamn thing has happened.

Speaker 1 But maybe something will happen when we return for even more of the deliverance.

Speaker 1 Okay, what about this then? Nah, I think he's got one of those. Hey, guys, what you doing? Oh, hey, Noah, we were just...

Speaker 1 Setting up to do our holiday shopping, but all these gift websites are kind of samey. Yeah, it all seems like just cheap plastic crap, really.
Yeah. Or drop shipped cheap plastic crap.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I kind of wish there was a website where you could get like, you know, homemade and unique gifts from an actual person, not a company. Well, why don't you try uncommon goods? You mean like

Speaker 1 body parts of dead celebrity? No.

Speaker 1 I don't mean that. This is their first ad on the show.
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Speaker 1 So, first and last ad then, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 for rebelling against heaven, Lucifer. I cast you down to hell.

Speaker 1 Oh, no! I'm going to burn in fire forever. What a terrible punishment.
Oh, no, no, you... You won't.
You won't. No.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Sorry, what? No? Yeah, no, you're not going to burn.
You're mostly going to

Speaker 1 trick humans and then you burn them.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 But I won't be able to, because I no longer have my angelic powers. So I'll spend eternity wishing I could take my...

Speaker 1 You're still going to have your powers. Really?

Speaker 1 I'm keeping my powers. Oh, yeah.
Well, no, in fact, actually, you get a whole bunch of new demon powers, right? A possession,

Speaker 1 flies,

Speaker 1 moving stuff around. Huh.

Speaker 1 So I will have more powers than when I was an angel. Oh, yeah.
No, angels are just going to mostly sit up here and

Speaker 1 watch you do your thing. Because you'd think they'd like intervene more, right? Like there'd be like blessed houses where good things happen.

Speaker 1 No, you would think that,

Speaker 1 but no.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 the bad stuff.

Speaker 1 Ah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, look, hey, at least you're still in control of Earth, right? So I'm going to have to scrap for everyone. So only at the very end, I'll be.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, it's going to be all you, my guy.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, then,

Speaker 1 thank you.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Yeah, I guess.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 See ya.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see you.

Speaker 1 Teach him to rebel.

Speaker 1 And we're back for more of the shit. We're going to rejoin the action with that birthday party that we've all been looking forward to.
This is one of the two scenes with Omar Epps in it.

Speaker 1 He's there to sing for Glenn Close. Yeah.
And I have to point out that this was such a wild tone shift scene to scene.

Speaker 1 Like, I know we took a a little break in the middle of it, but I do have to point out that like they go from this tense moment of like child services leaving the house to happy birthday.

Speaker 1 Say it to

Speaker 1 it's also it's doing that annoying thing where some of the people singing happy birthday see that as their moment to shine.

Speaker 1 So they're all doing their own little kind of like harmonizing here or riffs. Yeah, the fucking riffing on it.
Yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 Also, it's one of those like kids' birthdays parties that happens seemingly at night in the pitch black because this is like the dead of night that this seemed to be happening.

Speaker 1 And it's on a weekday, right? Because like immediately after they sing happy birthday, she starts sending the kids to bed, telling them they got school tomorrow.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's Shanta's fucking birthday party. Yeah.
But you've just blown the candles out. She hasn't even had the cake and now she's off to bed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, well, there's a character who appears in this scene that never appears in the rest of the movie. Does she intimate that she jerks people off for a living?

Speaker 1 So that's what I got from it.

Speaker 1 So let me say something that i'm very uncomfortable saying they're playing craps at this child's birthday party yes well they're playing dice and when she wins right the older brother nate is like hey how do you keep winning and she makes the jerk off gesture and she's like honey don't you know what i do for a living And says something about her hands, it makes her hands slippery or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Does that make you better at craps, jerking people off?

Speaker 1 Am I amazing at craps?

Speaker 1 not because like later she says to the mum that when she's leaving she says i've got a job to get to which is sex that opens at 9 00 a.m and i had to go back and put the subtitles on and she says sax s-ak-like sax fit yes yes

Speaker 1 yeah well i don't know what is that what is that and how does that

Speaker 1 jerks people off at sax it's like woolworths Oh, okay. I had no idea what sax was.

Speaker 1 The only thing I could be comfortable with is that it wasn't sex, or at least wasn't called sex. That's all I had.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So she apparently jerks people off at a department store for a living, and that makes her good at craps. I don't,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I was going to leave it out, Eli, because it was so inexplicable that I didn't want to broach it.
But yeah.

Speaker 1 And it never matters to the moon that we don't see that person again at any point. Never again.
Look, I've never said yes to those ladies with the perfume. Maybe they jerk you off.

Speaker 1 I got to look around my local sacks and see if there's a getting jerked up section.

Speaker 1 Maybe if Kamala wasn't afraid to let business and free enterprise take root. Am I right? Mispronounced.
Am I right, everybody?

Speaker 1 But so also there's a moment here where, like, Omar Epps and Glenn Close are in the kitchen having the casting director knows that you're not black write conversation again.

Speaker 1 It's so fun, and they've done this twice in the movie. Yep.
Is she your daughter, daughter,

Speaker 1 white writer might as well just wander into frame black

Speaker 1 family.

Speaker 1 although what i will say is like you know omar eps is desperately trying to fuck glenn claws and he doesn't care which of the tweens near him know about this at any point in the birthday party but fair play to the movie that it's got a 26 year age gap but it's the guy who is 26 year younger at least that is that is fairly progressive but yeah i get it so we all saw a fatal attraction and made some choices

Speaker 1 So, but then in the middle of their conversation, there's a pounding at the basement door and it's Dre And he looks all demon-possessed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's been like slamming his head against the basement door. That's the implication.
Yeah, people seem very relaxed about that. They're like, oh, Dre, what are you doing? Come on.

Speaker 1 It's like he's got that welt on the front of his head where he's slamming his head at the door. Right.
Right. And again, this is the story that she told.
You know,

Speaker 1 why would why did he have that great big injury on his fucking forehead? Yeah. And again, to be clear, she's like, why are you doing that? And he's like, oh, Trey in the basement told me to.

Speaker 1 And she's like, I have no follow-up questions. You're in trouble.
Go back to bed. Yep.
A friend basically responds like, your son's an idiot is the amount of concern that we have. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 1 The professional jerk-off person that works at Sachs is like, your kids always banging their head against the door and talking about demons named Trey.

Speaker 1 Not going to get a jerk-off internship if you're doing that kind of stuff. I just want you to know.

Speaker 1 So, but then the kids all go to bed. Mom drinks too much.
And we have the whole like, you know, she wants to party, but everybody else is like, I've got a job at Sex to go to tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now he's had a chance to get vodka wasted and grind on guys at your child's birthday party.

Speaker 1 And there's almost nobody there. Really wanted it to cut over to like two tweens being like, your mom and my dad seem to be getting along.

Speaker 1 I wish a demon would come along and rescue us from this situation. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 But then Andre's standing around in the house after everybody leaves, looking creepy and stuff. So she yells at him for being mentally ill while she's trying to party more

Speaker 1 and that's that scene okay that's that scene so then it's that night she's in bed when the demon starts banging on the door some more

Speaker 1 so so she responds by running into her kids room with a baseball bat

Speaker 1 right yeah This is three out of three nights in a row. She has burst out of her room ready to fight a noise in her house.
Yep, with a baseball bat. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's so weird because she's like, she's running around doing this. And we were meant to think that this is like, oh, God, the house all abandoned.

Speaker 1 But it's not abandoned because we see Omar Epps is leaving, like, having just left the house now in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 So we're supposed to have assumed that they've just, he's just been fucking Glenn Close this entire time throughout the end of the enough for Ebony to go to sleep and wake up again. Yes, right, right.

Speaker 1 And that's clearly what the banging was, right? That was absolutely. So, yeah, so Glenn Close sends Omar away, and then she hears the kids yelling upstairs.
They're like, grandma, come help us.

Speaker 1 So she runs in, and they have this very long moment where like very clearly Ebony is supposed to have hit the kids in some way, but the movie's trying to offer up a bunch of suspense about that or what did or did not happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and this is not suspenseful. Yeah, again, it's abuse apologetics as horror movie.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's not suspenseful at all because none of the characters are saying that they know what happened. They're all like, oh, I don't know what's happened.
But neither do we. We didn't see it.

Speaker 1 So it's like that Hitchcock thing about suspense being where there's a conversation with characters at a table and there's a bomb under the table and the characters don't know that the bomb's there.

Speaker 1 But in this situation, neither do we. Right.
There's a bomb is what we're doing. Nobody at all is aware of the bomb.

Speaker 1 Right. So like we spent a very long time with Glenn Close going, so Nate, what happened? And he's like, I don't know.
And Shantae, what happened? I don't know. And Andre, what happened? I don't know.

Speaker 1 We get that for a while. But the Batman mural is all smashed up and the kids are all beat up is what we do know, right? Right.

Speaker 1 So trust us, something interesting happened, but we don't know what it was. So next day, Granny's driving them somewhere because she's decided they're not safe around the mom.

Speaker 1 And mystery lady that was sitting in her car staring at them when they were arguing with the child protective services lady. Sorry, I'm doing a very bad job of keeping you up with these characters.

Speaker 1 This character, her name is Apostle Bernice. She is following them as Granny's driving them away.
Yes, and this is a sinister moment, but the sinister thing here is just a black person driving.

Speaker 1 Like, who wrote this film? A white cop?

Speaker 1 So, okay. So now we've got to have the moment where the kids, the kids are all in school and they all start acting demon crazy at the same time

Speaker 1 right but again there's nothing supernatural about it they're just abused children acting out in school like even here in the movie about their behavior this is the behavior of traumatized abused children yes it absolutely is yes yeah so nate is learning about the racism of our national response to aids and he starts laughing very inappropriately he got the giggles in school so wait the demon was going down his list.

Speaker 1 He was like, all right, let's say

Speaker 1 this guy's going to float in the air. That guy over there, he's going to pass through walls and I'll say a bunch of stuff about dead relatives.
And let's just give Nate the giggles. What do you say?

Speaker 1 As long as it's at a super inappropriate time.

Speaker 1 Inappropriate people want it to be. Obviously.
Inconvenience. Yeah.
Shante's demonic thing is menstruating all over the place, apparently. Having a period.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And Andre

Speaker 1 takes his shit in the middle of his classroom and throws it at the teacher and then eats some. Yeah.
Is what he does.

Speaker 1 I feel like Nate got it off easy here.

Speaker 1 Yes, 100%. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Also, that didn't happen in the real story, at least according to the Wikipedia.
So weird to make that up, seeing as Andre is now 21 years old. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Andre's going to see it with his family. He's just constantly turning to everyone in the theater.
That's made up. They did that for the movie.
Everyone.

Speaker 1 We don't see, we see him like shit and then throw it at his teacher. Later, we found out that he ate it.
So we didn't see that. They didn't even need to like force us to hear that he ate it.

Speaker 1 They didn't have to include that detail at all, given that it wasn't made, it wasn't true, and we didn't see it happen. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, my guess is that the writer assumed that we were going to see that awesome pet part where the kid ate his poop and then the

Speaker 1 MPAA was like, no, you're not going to see it. That's kind of a fair ass.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. So then we get, we cut to to ebony at work getting a very awkward call from the school.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And this is a phone call from an unknown caller, which is so far the scariest thing in this movie.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 so, okay. So she goes to the hospital and like all we see all the kids getting various medical examinations.
And this is where we get my best worst, right?

Speaker 1 The doctor turns to her and she's like, well, you know, we ran all the tests. Your kids are fine.
They have no psychological issues whatsoever.

Speaker 1 If there's a problem, it can only be supernatural, right? Because they have to have this. They have to have this moment where science can't explain it, but like science can explain it.

Speaker 1 The children are terribly abused and they're acting out

Speaker 1 in a way that's very predictable when you suffer that level of abuse, right? But the movie can't just point that out because it kind of ruins the fucking movie. Right.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 The scientific explanation is that like one of the kids got the giggles at an inappropriate time.

Speaker 1 The other kids who lives in poverty came on her period at a time that she wasn't expecting and wasn't prepared for.

Speaker 1 And her other kid kid and the third kid threw his shit around, which is bad, but like having a shit is not supernatural. Throwing it is weird, but also not supernatural.

Speaker 1 You don't need to be ghost-infused to throw shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, sure. Now you say a shit's not supernatural.
But during Matreon, you're all bar the doors and where's the holy water? I'm just saying. One side of your mouth and the other.

Speaker 1 So yeah, so, but science tells her this seems like a very ordinary poop throwing to me.

Speaker 1 And just then I had to pause the fucking movie because lucinda walked in to bring my lunch to me and what she's staring at is glenn close with her fucking donald trump bronzer with 37 crosses in each earring with a subtitle that reads and i quote doctor my son ate his own shit today

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 so that was that was a fun one to explain and i love that the doctors send them home from this as well i'm 99 sure that if your son spontaneously ate his own shit in the mid of a lesson the doctors wouldn't take a wait and see kind of approach.

Speaker 1 Also, like, she gets incredibly confrontational with this doctor, and the doctor's like, oh, oh, you, you want to have like a serious talk about your kids' health? Should we talk about their bruises?

Speaker 1 And she's like, pass. Change of scene.

Speaker 1 Change of scene right now. Scene is over.
And I get, I truly do not know who the movie wanted me to sympathize with that moment. I know who I sympathized with.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, okay, so then they're leaving the hospital and then Glenn Close has to like have it out with abony for being too violent with her kids which plays out approximately like this she says abony you're too violent and abony says i ought to kick your ass for saying that yes this conversation ends with and i apologize because it's wildly offensive but it's you're just like all the other white people reporting on child abuse yes yes yep is that a thing other minorities dislike us for because i'm actually willing to own that Yep, yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of reasons to dislike white people. That's not

Speaker 1 a good one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So that night, Ebony's shampoo and Dre's hair when the phone rings.
Glenn Close can't get the answer, can't answer it because she's busy hanging up a demon ward crucifix.

Speaker 1 This just ridiculously oversized crucifix that she's having. Oh god, it's so

Speaker 1 Ebony has to run and get the phone. It's the hospital telling her she owes $30,000 for all the shit-throwing exams that her kids just got.

Speaker 1 Which means she'll have to do a few more haircuts at this best-paid salon of all time, apparently. Yeah, exactly.
No kidding.

Speaker 1 But as she's like harumping her way away, Glen Close stops her and says, Hey, the Lord doesn't give you more than you can handle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, says the lady with cancer whose medical treatments are driving her daughter into poverty right now. That is the plot so far.
Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 1 Also, really seems like the Lord is giving her more than she can handle.

Speaker 1 She sure fucking does. Yeah.
She's certainly not handling it well.

Speaker 1 Well, and so, and she says, and I quote, enough with the Jesus bullshit for one night. And look, I hate to side with abusive mom, but that is the correct answer in this moment, right? It is.

Speaker 1 But I think it's only like the second time she's mentioned Jesus in the entire film because she's not that religious at any point until now.

Speaker 1 Like the mom seems to, we saw her, she was at church in like the first scene. And that's the last time she did anything Jesusy until now.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 So Ebony goes to try to take down the cross because you know it's her house but granny glenn ain't having none of that

Speaker 1 oh it's great ebony says to this is a fix mom it's like no it's it's a crucifix you almost said it's

Speaker 1 close maybe that's what they call it the kids is that slime fix yeah here's my fix so but ebony goes back up to the bathroom to finish shampooing dre's hair and she finds nate drowning Dre in the bathtub because he's demon-possessed.

Speaker 1 Again, another thing that that didn't happen in the real story. I just, I'm picturing this family standing.
Okay, hi, everyone. I did not try to drown my brother.

Speaker 1 Really carried away my mom's lives here. I just say, you know, it's weird to be like, oh, don't tell lies about my mom's lives, but I did not try to murder my brother.

Speaker 1 The drowning scene goes on for way too long as well, because the entire time, Andre isn't drowning. So I just, God, this kid can really hold his breath.
Yeah, it does. Very impressive.

Speaker 1 He survives this whole thing. He should go into like swimming of some sort.

Speaker 1 He's got athlete in him. Kate Winslet's got nothing on him.
Do you know that kid's full name is actually Drayvid Blaine? Oh, seriously. Woof, man.

Speaker 1 We really need Heath

Speaker 1 now.

Speaker 1 Draymond Blaine's great. So, okay.
But...

Speaker 1 If I don't scream that my jokes are good after I do this. Because some people won't know.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah. But again, so yes, this fucking movie, yet again, it's just actors playing out increasingly unlikely excuses this lady made for her kids' bruises.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, the next scene is Cynthia showing up to check on the kids again.

Speaker 1 And of course, the movie's supposed to play it out like, oh, child protective service is always showing up at the most inconvenient times when a demon innocently abused your kids while you weren't looking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're supposed to sympathize with, I'd prefer if you look in on my children's welfare at different times. Yeah.
Yeah. She tries to do the no thank you on the doorstep.

Speaker 1 She totally does.

Speaker 1 Like the Jehovah's Witness. I do not consent to a, that's nothing, nothing you're saying.

Speaker 1 This isn't a random inspection. Your kids were literally just in the hospital being investigated for all sorts of signs of trauma and abuse.
This is a very well-scheduled appointment. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 And so if Cynthia finally pushes her way in the door and Ebony's like, okay, it's the house's fault. The house has been beating my kids up.
Yeah. And she says, I keep hearing things.

Speaker 1 But like Ebony says that. Oh, I've been hearing things, but no, no, she isn't.
Or if she is, she hasn't mentioned that to us at any point in this movie. And we haven't

Speaker 1 tell us. Right.
She says at this point, she's like, you know, the other night, Andre was speaking a foreign language and said that a ghost told him to kill himself.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, that sounds like a scene that you should have included in your fucking horror movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
He said, oh, he's Andre said this little boy told him he should kill himself. No, he didn't.
He absolutely

Speaker 1 been here the whole time. I rewound it to see if I could find it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ghost meant to kill Andre. He could kill himself.
He is

Speaker 1 going through a lot right now.

Speaker 1 So, but then Cynthia tells us her tragic backstory about her dead son.

Speaker 1 No relevance to the larger film at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
I guess she just felt like she should get a dramatic monologue, too.

Speaker 1 And once she wraps that up, Glenn Close comes downstairs with a baseball bat to threaten this woman for trying to protect her grandchildren from their abusive mother. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And again, I think the movie wants us to think that's good. Yes, that Glenn Close is standing up for her kid.
By threatening child protective services with a baseball bat.

Speaker 1 And then they say, like, oh, they're going to,

Speaker 1 when child protective services leave, Glenn Close and Ebony are talking. They're saying, oh, they're going to take our babies.
It's like, well, now you've threatened violence on CPS, they will.

Speaker 1 Like 100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't make it better. The next step is the police.
Right. Also, they should take away your babies.
Please do. Yes.

Speaker 1 So then we get a scene where Glenn closes going to her minister to try to justify the film's inclusion in our show a little bit. Don't worry.
She will.

Speaker 1 I want to point out that this is one of the only real moments in the movie. So grandma did go to her local church and was like, hey, my kids are full of demons.

Speaker 1 That's why they're missing so much school. And the pastor was like, no,

Speaker 1 I'm not that branded liar. Right.
So they had to go with a different one. Yeah.
no, they're like,

Speaker 1 you're not Catholic. What the fuck are you talking about? This doesn't, we don't even have this.

Speaker 1 So, okay, so meanwhile, Ebony is at the bar being an alcoholic.

Speaker 1 And as she leaves the bar, fucking Apostle Bernice, the character that has just been like sitting in a car across the way, staring ominously at them here and there, she finally confronts Ebony and says, it's time for me to make sense.

Speaker 1 It's time for this to be a horror movie.

Speaker 1 We are more than than an hour in. We need to get to actual exercising here.
We really blew our wad on you hitting your kids for the first half of this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we find out that this lady who's been following this, Bernice, is like a door-to-door exorcist, like the littlest hobo, but for demons.

Speaker 1 She is, though.

Speaker 1 Ebony goes to walk away and Bernice says, your kids aren't sick. There's an evil spirit in your house.
And she's like, oh, that is a great excuse. I could probably get a movie deal with that.

Speaker 1 Ooh, that sounds great way for me not to have my kids taken away. Yeah.
And she explains why she didn't get involved sooner. She said, I just needed to confirm my suspicion before I intervened.

Speaker 1 But like that confirmation of suspicion apparently included letting a kid almost drown. Yep.
If Andre had drowned, she'd be like, yeah, it's demons. That was

Speaker 1 a good thing.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to do it. One for three.
One for three. The shit throwing probably should have been enough for me.
Yeah. But yeah, they go to McDonald's together.
And she goes, so funny.

Speaker 1 That's weird plugs. Do you think that was a fit? Because this is on Netflix.
Yep. So someone had to call Netflix.
I assume they do a bunch at once.

Speaker 1 And they were like, okay, so here's all the McDonald's we have in the movies. Oh, we're doing a horror movie, deliverance.
She's going to tell about another family dying over a McFlurry.

Speaker 1 Do you want the McFlurry turned to the camera? No, just the cop. Okay, just the cop.
I really wanted it to be like an overly thick milkshake. And she kept like interjecting the story with like a

Speaker 1 struggling to get it up the straw. Yeah, you got to sort of like like smoosh it around a bit, let it warm up a bit, and then it'll be fine.
No wonder the ice cream machine's always broken.

Speaker 1 It's got to make it through the cement. Am I right?

Speaker 1 Oh, we have fun. So, yeah.
So, she goes, they're sitting there having their McDonald's. She goes, I'm an apostle.
And it's like, what was the conversation while you were getting your food?

Speaker 1 You guys were in line together.

Speaker 1 12-piece. I want a 12-piece.
She goes, I'm an apostle. And I'm like, what a great time to stop taking a person seriously.
And as I'm writing this, she goes, a prophet, an evangelist.

Speaker 1 I'm like, as though though to emphasize my point, an Avenger.

Speaker 1 So she's like, a family died in that house of yours before. I have a picture of them.
She's like, weird thing for you to have a picture of.

Speaker 1 And so now she's going to tell us the story of the family-wide axe murder that happened there before. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 this actor, the one who plays the mom who axe murders her whole family, that's Dominic Tony. Dominique Tony, who I went to school with.
Nice. At NYU.

Speaker 1 I texted her when she came up and I was like, hey, we're reviewing the movie you were in. She was like, oh, I'll listen to the review.
And I was like, don't. Don't do that.
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 We shouldn't do this viewers. She wields an axe well.
I've got to say that. Oh, great.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
No, she nailed it. Yes.
Yeah. Fantastic.
So, and then they, okay, there's this great moment where they justify the title of the movie, right?

Speaker 1 Because she goes, are you telling me my son needs an exorcism? She's like, nope, that that is trademarked.

Speaker 1 He needs. And they go at, she explains that it's a deliverance that he needs.

Speaker 1 And there's like some weird, stupid theological minutiae that they explain as though we give a shit to differentiate between an exorcism and a deliverance. Yes.

Speaker 1 Nothing like a horror movie to take the same side about demonology as Greg Locke's documentary. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, specifically, she says, I don't do no exorcisms. I don't need no intercessor.
Jesus Christ is my intercessor. It's like, okay, but sounds like you do need an intercessor.
You do.

Speaker 1 You have one, yeah. She also says, if you act in the authority of Jesus Christ, you can touch your body.
And I wrote, spoken like a true member of the clergy.

Speaker 1 And while she's telling this story and explaining the difference between an exorcism and deliverance, we cut to like Glenn Close smelling some stinking death in the basement and going to check it out.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Does this smell come and go or is it there the whole time? And like,

Speaker 1 they just get used to it, like a smell like they're like, oh,

Speaker 1 they go out, they come back. Oh, God, yeah, the death smell.
I keep forgetting about that. Yeah, right,

Speaker 1 adjusts it over time.

Speaker 1 I'm noseblind, you see? Yeah. So, but Glenn Close picks up a Bible defensively and then gets beaten to death by a demonic tween.
Which again did not happen.

Speaker 1 What a huge plot point to include in your base Son of True true story that Dre, while under the influence of a demon, killed his grandmother. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's standing up in the theater going, all right, guys, this is worse, I guess, than the, if you only don't believe one thing, believe the poop thing and not this thing.

Speaker 1 And when she is being attacked, Glenn Claus does have the expression of a respected actor who just got to this bit of the script. So that's even acting, that expression on her face.

Speaker 1 And the devil speaks in Dre's voice here. My question is, and it's a brave one.
Is that problematic? What race is the devil? Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's supposed to, I mean, at least in Utah, he's white and delightsome, right? So I feel like he got back down to hell and they were like, oh, so you did a little A-A-V-E.

Speaker 1 You're like that. I talked like they talk.
And it was like, eh, maybe, maybe skip it next time.

Speaker 1 It's tricky because, like, on the one hand, possession, like the possession of the demon is that person, but it is, they're also like, it's got to be appropriation because you are appropriating their body.

Speaker 1 So, I think it's problematic. I think it would come down to this other problem.

Speaker 1 But then, is it even more problematic if he's like, It is I, Balthazar? It's like, that's not how Dre talks. And it's like, well, I

Speaker 1 think we all express ourselves in different ways.

Speaker 1 Either that, or it'd be more problematic if the demon only went for white people sort to avoid having to change their vernacular. And it's like, reverse racism, Satan.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's a little bit of like, you know, can actors from one culture play actors from different culture? Or is that problematic? It's the same with demons. It very much is.

Speaker 1 Well, this demon is Korean. Should it really be like inhabiting a Japanese person? Or is that a problem?

Speaker 1 Why does Satan have a Martin Luther King quote on his Facebook? This is weird.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, but then, of course, this is where we learn that the kid who died that was demon-possessed from the other family, his name was Trey, the same name as the ghost that Dre has been hanging out with.

Speaker 1 Don't have them called Dre and Trey because that is too confusing. It's so dumb.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 Shante, the sister, she goes by Tay. So there's a Dre, a Trey, and a Tay in this fucking movie.
And there didn't need to be. So, but Ebony storms off.
She's like, no, it's not Act Three yet.

Speaker 1 And Apostle Lady is like, take my number. It'll be Act Three in just a second.

Speaker 1 So I guess that's basically the movie grabbing us by the ears, making hard eye contact and saying it is to a Christian horror movie, which gives us an opportunity for a break.

Speaker 1 But first, let me give Act Three the Hard Sell.

Speaker 1 Will the kids get the psychological help they so desperately need? Will they be permanently removed from Ebony's custody? Will Apostle Lady even successfully exercise their demons? No.

Speaker 1 No on all fucking three. But keep watching anyway for the more damning than damned conclusion of the deliverance.

Speaker 1 Now, remember, Do not let the demon get into your head. He will know things he shouldn't know, but you cannot give in to him.

Speaker 1 You got it, Father.

Speaker 1 Daddy? Daddy, help me. Daddy is here, son.

Speaker 1 Well, look who it is, Padre. Vile spirit, you will leave this place by the power of Christ.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, don't banish me, because then I'd have to go back to torturing Margaret.

Speaker 1 Do you know a Margaret?

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 know.

Speaker 1 Yes, sweet Margaret. Sorry, did you say no? You said no? Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, sorry. I don't.

Speaker 1 Rick Wilson? Yeah, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 222 Redwood Drive? No. No, I live in Fleetwood.
Redwood Drive. Oh, fuck.
The Lord is my shepherd. I shall.

Speaker 1 Can you give me a second? I'm obviously in the middle of something. Oh, sorry.
Yeah. Sorry.
I'm sorry. Wait.
Did.

Speaker 1 Did you look up the wrong person? No, I'm a demon, and I have demon knowledge that's going to scorch your soul. Oh, you're going to, oh, go ahead.
Scorch my soul then.

Speaker 1 I know that you jerk off to porn.

Speaker 1 Well, everybody jerks off to porn. Yeah, it's true.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, but if I wasn't, if I hadn't looked you up, how would I know that the porn you like is

Speaker 1 big titties? Seriously? Lesbian stuff. I meant lesbian.

Speaker 1 You're obviously just making shit up. Do you want to, do you want to like leave and come back? No, because then I'm exercised.
That's the whole point. That's kind of the whole point.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Look, I committed.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me level with you guys. I committed to a skull in the woods like 40 years ago, and nobody has been there.
And then this week, they just started work there.

Speaker 1 There's like a whole logging crew, and I'm just, I'm stretched right now.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Am I throwing off your work-life balance? I'm just saying, give me like 45 minutes to get on chat GPT, and I'm going to do such a good roast for you.
I really wow.

Speaker 1 No, no, I think we'll just leave actually. Yeah.
This is seriously weak. No, just weak.
You're probably worried about the election, huh? Those polls are looking tight.

Speaker 1 They're gone. Can I have my body back? Give me a minute.

Speaker 1 And we're back for still more of this shit, and we're going to rejoin the action with Ebony getting home to find the smoke detector wailing because the crucifix is on fire.

Speaker 1 And Glenn Close is dead also on the floor. Yes, she is.
Yeah. She's opted out of the rest of the film.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This section of the movie is like, you know, when the scenes that happen in teen movies where like, there's been a party and the parents are on the way home.

Speaker 1 That's what the demon is doing with the horror movies.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. And the cross is on fire and I killed Glenn Close and I spoiled all the milk in the fridge.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Andre comes down all demonic and slow, and he goes, what happened to Grandma? And Ebony's like, oh, come on, we know you killed her. Obviously, you killed her.
We saw that scene.

Speaker 1 There's a moment that's meant to be high drama where Ebony sees Glenclose dead and she yells like, Andre,

Speaker 1 but she yells it like Kirk yelling Khan, and it just seems ridiculous. I can't get past it.
And then Shante yells for mom. She's upstairs and she's like, mom.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, whatever she's got going on isn't as important as the dead lady downstairs and the active fire.

Speaker 1 But she runs upstairs, and then we get like, you know, later we get like Cynthia ominously taking pictures of this crime scene because apparently they just fled the scene of the crime. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's walking around the house like she's a forensic investigator. She sees what I was going to say.
I don't think they let child protective services just come in and snap a few PS.

Speaker 1 So, okay, so then we cut to mom driving them to elsewhere, right? Kidnapping. Yeah, well, exactly.

Speaker 1 So, as much as I yell at haunted house movie characters to do this, just to leave the fucking house, in this instance, it's like you're fleeing the scene of the crime, though, is what it is what you're doing now.

Speaker 1 And Shantae is like, well, mom, I'm the one that called Cynthia because,

Speaker 1 you know, people were dead in our home and it was on fire. I'm a child and I needed protection.
Yes, there's a service for this also.

Speaker 1 At which point, Ebony gives this absolutely batshit insane, it's hard being a mom monologue, to which even the demon is like,

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, was that supposed to like bring me to your side? You are the worst. Yeah, she says, you think it's easy doing what I do, but what you do is endangering your children.
You can hit your kids.

Speaker 1 It seems pretty easy.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, but then Andre like demons at her a little bit from the back seat, and she looks in the rearview mirror and his eyes turn all black.

Speaker 1 So she pulls the car over and runs away like the fucking lawyer in Jurassic Park just leaves her kids behind with a demon in the car. To run into a bar.

Speaker 1 She runs into a bar, the alcoholic abusive mother leaves her kids in the car having fled the scene of a crime and runs into a bar and is meant to be the sympathetic character here. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, to be clear. This is from the real story.
The mom did run in psychosis into a bar and had obviously been abusing her kids that she had kidnapped.

Speaker 1 So, they've now rewritten this as no, it was Andre's demon. Andre's demon is carbon monoxide poisoning.
Apparently,

Speaker 1 so yeah, so she runs into this bar and she yells at all the people and says, Hey, somebody come and kick my demon son's ass for me. And a bunch of people are like, Yeah, no, I can do that.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck yeah, absolutely. Weird number of people take her up on that, but then they get they check the kids, and the kids are just like clearly abused.

Speaker 1 So, now she's in like a jail or something, Right. And there's a social worker giving her, like they go through this intake form with her.

Speaker 1 But it's weird because the intake form, it's a lot about like what's been happening with the kids and stuff, but none of the authorities seem that interested in the dead mom and the burning house.

Speaker 1 That doesn't seem to be a thing that anybody cares about. No, it didn't come up.
There's a lot of like, is your house haunted questions in there? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So a lot of weird, like, has there been weird banging and flies, you know? Right.

Speaker 1 Well, because the movie wants us to be like, cause again, this woman was actually forcibly committed right for a short amount of time because she was having a psychotic episode in public right and so what this movie is trying to rewrite that as is look if you have a demon in your house a lot of those questions make it seem like you have psychosis but actually yes you were hearing noises and strange voices yeah yeah uh-huh so yeah so but then we get uh cynthia showing up to assure her that hey you know like they're taking your kids away but there's still a lot of movie to go for you at this point Yeah.

Speaker 1 She says, it's not forever. And I wrote in my notes, I hope it's forever.
I am rooting for forever.

Speaker 1 I was rooting for forever. And then she says, they're going into church foster care.
And I'm like, oh, well, maybe

Speaker 1 lateral.

Speaker 1 Is that a lateral move?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had.

Speaker 1 two lines of dialogue back to back was it's the best thing i wrote it literally is and then it says they're sending them to a church foster care i was like okay so it's not the best thing it's not the best thing

Speaker 1 it's the best it is

Speaker 1 probably better but not necessarily yeah So then we get this scene where Ebony's going to a church. And I thought that that was like her getting her life together, right?

Speaker 1 It was going to be that scene or whatever. But no, she's going to see Apostle Bernice because she's like, yeah, no, it's definitely not that I'm psychotic.
It's that there's a demon in my kit.

Speaker 1 I need an excuse or there. Take my kid.
There's such a weird thing here as well. I have no idea why, but they shoot this church with a fisheye lens.

Speaker 1 If you look to the side, all of the walls have like a curvature to them because the lens is fisheye. So I don't know if they're trying to make this room look bigger than it actually is.

Speaker 1 It's such a weird choice.

Speaker 1 I was so distracted by it. So she starts talking to Bernice, and there's a weird moment where she wants to know the demon's backstory.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
She says, This demon's got my son. She's like, Where's it from? And I'm like, Well, it's obviously from fucking hell.
It's a demon. You know, it's from New Jersey.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 I'm from Bayonne originally. You know, thank you.
Nobody ever asked. No, but where are you really from, Demon? Where are you really from? Wow, I hate so rusty.
Wow. All right.

Speaker 1 Why don't you go march with Tommy Robinson?

Speaker 1 Go beat up some of Marsh's neighbors.

Speaker 1 But this is where Bernice explains that all three of the kids are possessed by the one demon, which is like a three-for-one deal when it comes to exorcisms, actually. You're getting it pretty cheap.

Speaker 1 But in order for her to fight back, in order for Ebony to get her kids back from the demon, she has to be sufficiently Christian,

Speaker 1 right? Not a good person. She's not like, you know, well, you have to not be abusive.
You have to not be an alcoholic. No, you just have to be the correct religion a lot.
Right.

Speaker 1 You got to be all the way Christian if you want to fight this demon. Yeah.
We also get some of her backstories to why she isn't Christian, why she doesn't believe in anything.

Speaker 1 And it is just, again, it's like she was, it was a traumatic story, a traumatic event in childhood. And she asked God for help and God didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 And that's the reason she's atheist because she's angry with God.

Speaker 1 Christian movie tick. Yeah.
And she she tells this to a possible lady. She's like, yeah, no, my mom let someone sexually assault me as a child.
And she's like, you

Speaker 1 should

Speaker 1 not tell that story.

Speaker 1 She immediately goes to, and you should ask his forgiveness now for letting that happen to you.

Speaker 1 What? You should what now, though? And it's so weird when we see the flashback of her, like, of someone coming down the stairs to do that.

Speaker 1 It is exactly the same set of stairs that are in her own basement. And you'd think she'd avoid avoid a house with a spooky trauma basement when you go house hunting at that point.
If you do have like

Speaker 1 spooky trauma stuff going on in basements, just don't do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so yeah, so she tells her tragic backstory and then prays, you know, asks God to forgive her for all of the trauma she went through.

Speaker 1 And then we cut to Cynthia, the child protective services lady, checking on Andre. So he's in the hospital now because he's, you know, full-on demon-possessed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they've got him like strapped down. She starts talking to him, and he goes, My mother is dead.
God is dead. And everybody's like, Yeah.
So it's probably like,

Speaker 1 we're thinking maybe bulimia.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Just,

Speaker 1 I just wanted him to carry on listing dead people. Like, Einstein's dead.
The guy who hosted Supermarket Sweep is dead.

Speaker 1 Honestly, it's like when I call home to speak to my mum, basically, I was going to listen.

Speaker 1 Yes, he's dead. God.

Speaker 1 You do.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 You met him back at the door. He used to be at the church at the end of our screen.

Speaker 1 You see him on a Sunday. No, no, you didn't.
He was at your first communion. Yeah, his son used to do those magic tricks till he had that falling out with Mrs.
Iscariot's son.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Mrs. Iscariot's son, you'll never guess what happened to him.

Speaker 1 And this is where the kid walks backwards up the wall. Now, the actual story made a huge deal about this because the doctor saw it.
And if I may borrow from Wikipedia here,

Speaker 1 the walking up the wall backwards incident failed to mention that the boy's grandmother was in fact holding his hand throughout, which allowed the boy to push himself against the wall and walk up it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Because that means, unlike what we see in the movie where he fucking spider climbs up the wall, at some point in the hospital, grandma was like, do you want to walk on the wall a little bit?

Speaker 1 And he was like, that would be fun, grandma. And she was like,

Speaker 1 okay. uppies.
We're describing uppies as demonic possession now. Yeah.
So this is where the movie takes its all the fucking way turn, right?

Speaker 1 Because up until this point, the movie's been kind of like the exorcism of Emily Rose was like, was it a demon or was it a mental illness? Well, mental illnesses exist, so we know the fucking answer.

Speaker 1 But up until this point, the movie had kind of done this. At this point, the kid squirts out of his restraints, right?

Speaker 1 He's strapped down and then walks backwards up the wall, like the third act of Inception,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 1 And then we're like, oh, so we are going with demons. Then we could have just started off like that, and you movie would have been an hour shorter and less boring.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this kid goes from naught to demon incredibly fast. Just like instant, bam, full demon, right? Here we go.
This is what we were after the entire fucking film. Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, and immediately after that, as though trying to deliver us a punchline, the very next scene after he walks backwards up the wall is Cynthia walking down a hallway doing a walk-in with the doctor and the doctor saying the words let's not hit the panic button just yet

Speaker 1 why even have that button then that's what the buttons for yeah like exactly like so when when the kid starts climbing the wall but that's that's the end of the scene for us did she just walk out of the room like how did that seem clearly end in reality

Speaker 1 okay you know what okay you know what if you're gonna walk up the walls i'm gonna leave andre and i'll come back when you're ready to talk when you're ready to walk on the floor like a grown-up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah. And then also at this point, mom is sneaking into the hospital to kidnap Andre, who has just been taken away from her by the state.
Yeah, as the hero, as the hero. Here, she's doing that.

Speaker 1 Yep. Also, like she's, she's disguised as a nurse.
She's walking around saying hi to everybody. She's got like an ID badge hanging from her uniform and stuff, but she's saying hi to everyone.

Speaker 1 And does it feel vaguely racist that she can walk around in scrub saying hi to people and that's enough to convince everyone that she's a nurse? Oh, there's, yeah, she's probably a nurse. It's fine.

Speaker 1 I'm sure she works here. What? It doesn't work on anybody, which is so funny because she's like, hello, co-worker.
And they're like, I know who works here. No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they actually

Speaker 1 have you, like you can overhear all the people going, who the fuck was that? Why is she waving at us?

Speaker 1 You don't do that at places you work. I don't walk down the hallways, places I work.
Hello.

Speaker 1 I also work here like you. We know each other.
I mean, you guys work in your house. It would be weird if, like, no one just reached me into that.

Speaker 1 Hi, co-workers.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, but so she goes to kidnap the kid, and the doctor's going to go check on him because, of course, he's heard about the wall walking thing.

Speaker 1 And he goes, Hey, take me to the room that Andre Jackson is in. And the nurse at this point goes, It's room 509.

Speaker 1 I'm not going back in there.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, well, then you would be,

Speaker 1 I would think, fired then because there's a person there that needs your help and that's your job. But no, instead, we cut to Apostle Bernice helping Ebony kidnap Andre,

Speaker 1 right? They drive off and take him back to the house that even this movie says is trying to kill him. Yes.
Take the demon kid back to the place he got demoned is this plan here. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 I guess you got to burn him in the mountain from where he was forged or whatever. And then, so they get it back there.
They strap him down. Apostle Bernice comes out with her very sticky noted Bible.

Speaker 1 She also has a tape recorder and she gets Ebony to consent to this exorcism on tape, just like ready, just primed for the manslaughter trial. Like not

Speaker 1 really all of the way. I've been through this before.
My lawyer says I have to have you do this before I kill your kid with my stuff. Yes, yeah.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 And she's like, yeah, now remember, no matter what your son says or how much he cries out, don't help him.

Speaker 1 And this is a great time to emphasize how often people die from this shit, I think. Yeah.
Worth pointing out here. But don't worry, she says spiritual warfare, so it sounds super badass.

Speaker 1 And then we get our goddamn exorcism scene. So it starts with her like sprinkling holy water on him and him screaming.
And then he turns into Glenn Close.

Speaker 1 And we thought that Glenn Close had made it out, right? We thought, well, you know, she still has a bit of her dignity intact, right? No. So she hasn't said the words nappy pussy at any point yet.

Speaker 1 So probably, you know, yeah, she's, she's still like, oh, well, you're like nominated eight times. She's never won one.
There's at least still a possibility. But no, no, she comes back.

Speaker 1 Can I say something? I think they should give it to her for this.

Speaker 1 And her clip is the I can smell your nappy pussy part. And she just, they announce her name.
She's just shaking her head in her chair. Nope, don't want it.

Speaker 1 Don't want it. But like the dialogue, and this is all terrible.
Like that is even that I can smell your nappy pussy. That is boring shock dialogue.
It's like an idiot's idea of what's offensive.

Speaker 1 It's like watching a Ricky Giverse stand-up essentially. True.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. The devils post this movie stand-up special.
So a lot of you know that I called a woman with a nappy pussy. And all people didn't like that.

Speaker 1 And the racists in the audience are like, woohoo, nappy pussy. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dave Chappelle, everybody. Honestly, I feel like the Academy is watching this portion of the movie going like, see, that's why we never gave her one.
They didn't understand at the time.

Speaker 1 They kept saying, oh, you should give one to Glenn Cloach. She's been nominated so many times.
But this is what we knew she had this in her. We knew she'd do this eventually.
You had to. Yep.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So then, so we're getting the exorcism of Andre, but we also get like Nate and Shantae waking up.

Speaker 1 feeling because i guess the demon is in them too so they're also having like denouements i don't yeah i don't know It's three times as many exorcism films here.

Speaker 1 You got the, you've got the kid being exorcised. You've got it three times.
This is three times better than the exorcist. No, if you think about it.
My maths alone. Yes.

Speaker 1 So we get that. We get the house shaking from all the demonic power.

Speaker 1 Britie sends Epony away. She's like, you go upstairs for the rest of the movie.
And she's like, that doesn't sound right. She's like, it's not.
You'll be in the basement later with no extra wish.

Speaker 1 The entire house is shaking. And so for safety, she sends her upstairs into the sky.
Yeah, I don't think that sense. That is not safe.

Speaker 1 Probably the right idea. Get under a desk.

Speaker 1 Dig a hole and put some planks over.

Speaker 1 So there's a great moment here, too, where the kid disappears. And then we hear him running around like when Stewie goes all ninja, you know, just a pitter-patter, pitter-patter.

Speaker 1 He's invisible demon boy. The only thing less interesting than the a demon exorcism is an invisible demon exorcism.
We're exorcising an invisible demon now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I bet his head is spinning 360 degrees the entire time he's invisible. We wouldn't even fucking know.
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 And he kills her. Right.
He's like, he invisibly drags her around by the hair a little bit, which is fucking hilarious looking. And then he's like slams her into the ground and she dies.
She does die.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Great work. Expert exorcist here.
Keep in mind, this woman's advice has been, you need to have enough faith in Jesus if you want to defeat the demon.

Speaker 1 She's the source of Christian faith in this movie and she has just died. Yep.
Well, but she doesn't die right off, right?

Speaker 1 She gets smashed, and then she has time to give a monologue to Epony about how her faith has to be stronger than that of the person that exercises demons for a living. No fear in this dojo, right?

Speaker 1 But that's just the thing. She's like, My faith wasn't strong enough.
I'm like, you're in the middle of fighting a demon. You don't even need faith anymore.

Speaker 1 Why would you have like what a what a moment to have a crisis of fucking faith when there's a demon lifting you up and blowing smoke out of somebody's ass and being invisible and shit like that.

Speaker 1 To me, I'm an atheist. I would be all fucking convinced of that.

Speaker 1 You would have to, much later, you would have to show me a lot of, you know, CCTV to convince me to do that.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Right.

Speaker 1 So, but she gives Ebony the holy water and she's like, you have to finish the deliverance. And she's like, oh, God, I would have thought this movie would be fucking over by now.

Speaker 1 So she goes to the basement where obviously the demon lives. For the first time in this fucking film.
This is the first time anybody has gone into the spooky basement where everything happens. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So yeah, so she goes down the stairs crack on the way down so that something is happening.

Speaker 1 She doesn't turn on the lights. She

Speaker 1 carries a fucking flashlight. Now, most movies would have the moment where she pulls the cord, but nothing happens.
This dumbass movie doesn't even have that, right?

Speaker 1 Apparently, she just didn't even think of it. And then, so, and Andre is downstairs when she gets there.
And he's like, I'm not demon-possessed. I'm just your son.
And she's like, bullshit.

Speaker 1 I hit him anyway. And so

Speaker 1 she like holy water sprinkles at him. He grabs her by the hair and drags her around because that looks even sillier when he's not invisible.

Speaker 1 Apparently, he joke slams her at one point, like the Undertaker style.

Speaker 1 Yes, and it's just this little 10-year-old boy. Yeah, so silly.
But again, like I was hearing the Rocky music at this point. I was like, yeah, demon getter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and well, and then like now it's a mirror match. All of a sudden, she's beating herself up.
Yeah, but it's a mirror match, but she's wearing the same outfit.

Speaker 1 She doesn't even like change the colors up on the outfit. That's what they should have done.

Speaker 1 She should have pressed B when she was selecting herself as a lot of her.

Speaker 1 Right. Duh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then the demon starts breaking her bones.
And we're going like, oh, nice. Cause she probably broke some bones at some point.
Like, oh, oh, and her legs too. But then she yells, jesus

Speaker 1 oh incredible laugh out loud moment yeah

Speaker 1 and you'd think at that moment she's calling on the power of jesus and she's gonna be fine but no the other her like choke slams her again and then stomps on her throat real good

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 oh sorry i got distracted i was up here i'm having a manny petty done yeah you need my focus right now okay you know i'm on here i'm here yeah

Speaker 1 But then she remembers how much she loves her kids and we flash back to the most banal parts parts of the movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we flash back to all the times she wasn't beating her kids, which is why it's so banal in the movie. There's very few little snippets to go on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she yells, you know, I rebuke you, Satan, in the name of Jesus. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
And I'm like, oh, she has all the cliches.

Speaker 1 At this point, I thought she was going to kill the demon by saying, live, laugh, love.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, so she does that. She speaks in tongues now.

Speaker 1 But even when it is scripted, she can't avoid doing the repeating of the same noises.

Speaker 1 The idea that what the demon was missing to be defeated is

Speaker 1 so fucking funny.

Speaker 1 So yeah, so she's shamalama llamas a lot with Jesus in there. The demon catches on fire.
A pit to hell opens up. She uses her telekinesis to throw the demon into the pit.
Demons have fire resistance.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows. Yeah, obviously,

Speaker 1 so fucking stupid. And then she comes to and she's on the floor and she's like, oh, fuck, that demon was my kid.
Did I just throw him in a helpit? But no, he's there.

Speaker 1 There is a solid four minutes of this movie where you think she's going to be like, ah, fuck, I sent my kid to hell.

Speaker 1 But she's like, should I? She's like yelling about it. She's yelling to try and find him.
She's like looking around like, Andre, Andre. And then she turns and he's there on the floor.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, how did she not see him until we did? She was in the the room, the empty room with him. She'd have to wait for the camera to turn around because she was looking in that direction.

Speaker 1 It's just a basement. Yes.
Yeah. It's so, and also she goes to hug him and she lays down with him, but the hole to hell is still there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, you put up some orange cones at first before you pass out, wouldn't you? Jesus fucking Christ. Cuts to a contractor the next day.
This is not good. This is good.

Speaker 1 This is not going to be cheap. And that's if I can get my guys.
All right. That's if I can get my hell hole filling guys because i know a lava guy but

Speaker 1 oh it's gonna cost you eli would you take uh hole to hell in your in your basement over what's been happening

Speaker 1 the devil and i have so much in common and he'd be like i love your recordings man we all sort of gather near the hole getting in early on i'm a patron

Speaker 1 So okay, so now it's morning and they do this part where they try to make Pittsburgh look beautiful and it's just sad. It's just fucking sad.

Speaker 1 Might as well be like a bird twittering on a crack dealer's shoulder.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, so, but Cynthia shows up and she like gives her a pep talk. And she's like, you'll get your kids back eventually, probably, because our system is deeply, deeply flawed and broken.

Speaker 1 Does she say at one point, I'll talk to the judge, but those kids were fucked up?

Speaker 1 I don't hear that exactly. She does.
Yeah. She was like, Yeah, your kids were pretty much

Speaker 1 up. They've been badly beaten by their abusive mother, but I reckon we can try and pursue it.

Speaker 1 Cynthia doesn't even mention the demon, particularly, does she? I don't think it particularly addresses the fact that there were demons going on here. Nope.
She sure as fuck doesn't.

Speaker 1 She goes at one point, she goes, well, you know, your kids don't remember any of this. And I'm like, oh, or it's a lie.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 There would be the other explanation for why they wouldn't have any memory of it.

Speaker 1 She says, you know, she's like, well, you know, if it's God's will, I'll get my kids back and cynthia goes wow i sure am impressed by how christian you are and i'm like really really that quickly because you know all of the you saw the brain number of kids that you did woof but ebony's like i can help you be more christian and she gives her a little cross necklace okay and that is bribery of a public official so you're never going to see your kids again

Speaker 1 and then the camera pans away from the neighborhood as though we're going to like eventually end on a pop scare for part two or something but but we don't Yes, I wrote the music is reserved for the demon is still there pop scares, but no, it just goes to the credits.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, no, it goes to a title card that says six months later, Ebony got her kids back.
And we're like, oh, well, I guess

Speaker 1 no happy ending. That is a sad ending.
That is the hop step. Yeah.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 His music was occurring. Yeah, there you go.
We found it. Yeah.
Well, and then this is so fucking weird. After the title card, the movie's like, ooh, ooh.
And another thing, right?

Speaker 1 Like it's getting the Occam Award. Yeah.
And it says,

Speaker 1 just for you, Marsh.

Speaker 1 And, and we cut to like Ebony driving her kids to Philadelphia. And they're like, why are we going to Philadelphia? And she's like, I talked to your dad.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to work things out after all. And I'm like, oh, were you having problems with the dad? I thought he was just in Iraq.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the problem is he wouldn't come back. Yeah, right.
Yes.

Speaker 1 So, and then that scene is over and the movie gets a different title card, a second go go at that. And it tells us like, you know, the real name of the lady was this.

Speaker 1 And then that house got demolished. And it's still kind of creepy even to this day.
Strange things happen at Pittsburgh to this day. Yes.
Our story was inspired by the life of this lady.

Speaker 1 and presumably the lie she told and then it then it sort of shows a house is like but there was a house so you know

Speaker 1 that's proof at least part of her story was true she did have a house

Speaker 1 you're saying there's no such thing as houses it's ridiculous

Speaker 1 All right. So I guess that's going to do it for a review of the deliverance, but it's not going to do it for the episode just yet because we still do need to punish ourselves more.

Speaker 1 So Eli, tell us what's on deck.

Speaker 1 Well, Noah, our Halloween spectacular may be over, but something even scarier is on the horizon. That's right.
It's Election Day. Oh, it will be.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we'll be reminding folks just how spectacular their November could be with Dinesh D'Souza's documentary, 2,000 Mules.
Oh, for fuck's sake. And that was bound to happen eventually, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So, with that to look forward to, we're going to bring episode 480 to a merciful close.
Once again, a huge thanks to Marsh for all his help this week.

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Speaker 1 Thanks again for giving us a chunk of your life this week for Heathen Wright, Neil. Positive Communitions promised to work hard to earn another chunk next week.

Speaker 1 Until then, we'll leave you with the breakfast club close.

Speaker 1 True to his word, the director of this movie destroyed whatever blackmail material he must have had on Glen Close to get her to do this movie.

Speaker 1 The local police accepted it was a demon again as an excuse for Ebony having a second dead lady in her house way too quickly.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh remains filled with demons to this day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Weird system they've got there. Yeah.
So the problem is I had like 20 minutes left in the movie. So I was like, I'm going to get high.
I'm a good boy. I deserve it.

Speaker 1 And then I got stuck on the thought of why does God keep giving demons their magic? Because they're his powers. Right.
He's the source of the

Speaker 1 doing it. That's the problem with the omniscience and the omnipotence God is the one slamming kids against walls.
If you really think about it, right? PSE and G

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