Desnudo Re-Review: The Desnudo Chronicles

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Okay,

so we're doing another supplemental.

Yeah, I'd like to, I'd like to, actually, let me let me introduce it.

Let me say, welcome to episode one of the Des Nudo Chronicles, where Jeff and Eric in the bye weeks go to all of Gus's favorite places and enjoy them without him.

Good morning, Gus, wherever you are.

This is a really good idea.

So we recorded one of these supplementals

about eight weeks ago at RTX.

So that one was done, but then we're like, oh, we got to do one more.

Do you want to just do it remotely?

And you're like, let's go to Des Nudo.

And I went, absolutely, let's go to Des Nudo.

So now we're here.

We got the cold brew again.

Just as good.

Yeah, you want to give it a rating?

I'm going to give it a 10.

Yeah, meets.

I don't remember what my rating was last time.

I think it was nine, something, but I was wrong.

It's a 10.

It is, this is, since we've been, this is the third or fourth time that I've been here.

Yeah.

It is so

good.

You can taste the

subtle, like you were saying, it's sweet, but you can also taste the, I call the FFGs, the free from Guses.

They're like tannins that, like, I don't know, they make everything just

a little bit.

Just the tiniest bit.

Not even, I wouldn't use the word better, but sunnier.

Sunnier is a way to do it.

Yeah.

A little tangier.

Yeah, just a little bit.

Less

less dour.

Yeah, a little less,

like you can taste like the,

It's like in jazz where you pay attention to the notes and don't play.

It's like you can taste the lack of acrimony.

Yeah.

Acrimony is the word I was looking for.

Thank you.

So

we were talking about before

we started recording, like, oh, what are we going to talk about?

You know, is there anything?

We kind of freewheel it with the show, which is nice.

It's nice to have a podcast where you can prepare and have stuff, but it's nice to just kind of come and hang out or whatever.

But I said I did want to talk about So Alright, which is your new show.

That is not not this show it's you by yourself uninterrupted i would say unfiltered but you do all the filtering when you do takes and cuts and cut out all the ums dude god damn the editing that you do for your own show and that before you give it to the editor huh yeah man it's uh

you don't do it in

casual conversation but when you're trying to fill gaps by yourself I find that I say like and um a lot more than I realize so I have to do a like and um sweep I do a full edit and then I do a like and um sweep after that.

And then I turn it in and then I get the edited version back with music and then I have to do a second like and um sweep because I realize I missed some.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, it's been, I'm getting it figured out.

It's uh it's kind of funny.

I was thinking about this earlier.

Whenever you and I do these, I always assume it's gonna head to music at some point.

Yeah.

And I thought, great, Eric and I can just talk music.

It's actually perfect timing because we released our summer of 98 our

ultimate 98.

ultimate 98 playlist for face and i had forgotten that i'd created an ultimate 98 punk playlist as well that i didn't even release but they found oh they so i told you before i'm like they're gonna find it

um which is great so but i a lot of positive comments and people have been asking for us to talk music more and saying that they really enjoyed that uh so i very briefly in the car right over here thought oh well eric and i can just Talk about all the new music we're listening to.

And then I thought, ah, fuck.

I don't really, I'm not really prepared because I haven't been listening to a ton of new music because this goddamn podcast I'm doing yeah is eating up about I try to work it out I think about six hours of a week of listening time because I have to record it and then edit it and then edit it again and then listen back and by the time it's all said and done I think somewhere between like five and six hours a week my ears are dedicated to that which is you don't think about it no but

music is is what I take from yeah you know music's what suffers there unfortunately I'm I'm glad that you said that because I have definitely not been listening to a ton of new music either I've been listening to some, but I've just been digging back into like a lot of my like older records and putting that stuff on.

Yeah.

And nothing super new or exciting or thrilling where it's like, oh, what about this or what about that?

It's just kind of like, oh, I haven't listened to this B52's album in like a long time.

And so you just like listen to that and you go, that was fun.

Or like, so Bob Marley, like when they were like the Wailers, like,

great, like, having fun, making breakfast and listening to that.

But nothing really kind of like grabbing me that's like new or nothing new you're excited about.

The Hives have a new album, and I know that probably doesn't mean much to a lot of people, but they were a band that I really, really enjoy.

And this is like their first release in like 10 years that I feel like has been something really strong and like a lot of fun.

It's like 30 minutes long and it just flies.

But that's really that and DJ Paul, the guy who produced all of like 36 Mafia stuff.

That's all I've been listening to.

It's been pretty good.

So outside of music, you've been doing your podcast.

You've been doing so alright, which you can subscribe to now.

I wish you would.

It's Jeff's sort of deep dive.

Deep dive isn't the right term, rabbit hole.

You kind of just find a rabbit hole on new and interesting stuff.

And the way I've been pitching it is,

hey, here's some stuff that Jeff will tell you about.

And then when you go to a party this weekend, you can go, hey, do you know about this?

And people go, what the fuck?

And that's what the show's for.

I hope that's a good thing.

I hope people like it.

I've been having a lot of fun making it.

So So Alright,

where you're dedicating so much time and everything, You were saying that you have a weird side effect from that show.

Yeah, just that I don't listen to music anymore.

That's it, huh?

Yeah, it's crazy.

You don't think about it, but like, but you add something into your life, you have to subtract in some area.

And I didn't, I don't know why, after 20 years of this career, I didn't consider that.

Do you think that the other additive in your life is that you are playing video games?

Oh, yeah, but I wasn't listening to music from 11 p.m.

to 3 a.m.

every night.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I just took away sleep

to play video games.

Oh.

Oh, that's fucked.

Yeah, I'm pretty.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been yawning for a few minutes.

I wasn't going to say it.

45 straight minutes.

I just went, oh, we'll just get you this coffee and you'll be right as rain.

It's Starfield, man.

Oh, that's...

You're just sinking all your time into that?

It's, I mean, I'm trying to save a galaxy here.

Oh, is that what you're trying to do?

I don't know.

I'm about 40 hours into the game, and I'm really not sure.

And on the second mission?

I'm trying to find artifacts, but I don't know why.

I really don't know why.

Because they're out there, I I think.

It's like

why does anybody do anything?

We were talking about it, and I think we were saying that it's like, it's pretty Skyrim where you're like, oh, start this,

start like the main campaign, and you start doing the main campaign, and then you're like starting to get sidetracked with like these other missions.

And then you're 40 hours in.

You go, oh, I got to get back to the main campaign.

And then that's when it reveals, like, you have some kind of magic power.

And you go, I've been doing all this without my magic fucking power.

Yeah.

Yeah, I didn't get my first magic power until about hour 29 in the game.

Just been doing corporate espionage with no magic powers.

And now I have, in the last like hour, I've gotten like six.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, then you just go mission after, like, go over here and get this magic power.

And it's the same.

It's not the most exciting part of the game, if I'm being honest with you.

You go to a new planet, and then you find a temple that looks identical to the temple on the previous planet.

And then you stand in front of a door till it opens.

And then you go into a room, and then you float in the room, and a thing spins.

And if you touch points of light in the room, it spins a bunch, and then it gives you a power.

And then you just, and you fight one dude

who's not particularly tough, and then you go do that again and again and again, and then you just get some dumb power, like you can create an oxygen field, or you can force push.

I don't know.

It's fine.

It's fine.

But it's the least interesting part of the game so far to me.

That's a heartbreaker.

Yeah.

Like the main campaign where you go, this isn't really, but I guess that's Bethesda, right?

I mean, I am interested in who's behind it all.

And

I'm just not interested in

hunting down these powers that aren't as cool as my shotgun.

That's true.

I have a really good shotgun.

It's hard.

It does the job.

It's hard getting something better than a shotgun.

Yeah.

You ever own a gun?

In my life?

Yeah.

No.

No, I never have and I never will.

Well, I'd never say never.

Right.

I'm not a...

Who knows, you know, when the end times come and the world starts to rebuild and it's like Thundar the Barbarian

and the poles shift and 80% of the population is wiped out and I have to fight sandworms.

I'll probably have a gun.

Do you think that there's a lot of egocentrism in that thinking?

Not in I'll have to get a gun, but to believe that in your lifetime all of that's going to happen?

One of the most astute, it's funny you asked that, one of the most astute, I guess, I don't want to say observations, but realizations that my friend Bernie Burns ever had that I thought like, you know, you hear somebody say something, you go, wow, that's really smart.

Uh-huh.

One time he we were talking about this particular subject and he said the thing that kills me is that people think that they're so significant uh-huh that in the whole of recorded history you're important enough to be here for that moment go fuck yourself yep it's not happening it's not happening I mean the thing is I get it guys you're you're on Twitter and you're very excited to retweet an article that you read the headline of about how everything's falling apart and then you go to your friends you go oh can you believe it it's not happening in your lifetime you fucking dunce no we're going through the fall of Rome We're not going through the end of the world.

Like, please get fucking real.

And even if we were going through the biblical end of times, you're still such a minuscule portion of it.

You know,

the idea that the 60 or 70, or if you're incredibly healthy, 100 years you get to live is the hundred years in the whole of the billions of years

of the history of this planet that's going to see the end or anything significant

is just hubris.

Yep, I agree.

Me and Michael decided that we're going to live for another 100 years.

So in about 90 years, we're going to look back and be like, hey, remember Face Jam in the year 20, in 2020, when it's 2120?

I think that's pretty exciting.

I'm going to live.

What age do you think you'll die?

I'm 37 now, so like 45.

Okay.

I really didn't think I was going to make it past 35, so I'm living on borrowed time, man.

You sound like Gus 10 years ago.

I think I'm going to live to be 150.

Wow.

That's what I'm shooting for.

I think that there will be enough advancements in health that we will be able to realistically.

And I want to pour all my money into living forever.

I agree.

I think there will be a lot of advancements in health that we won't have access to.

Garrett from Mega64, he feels the same way.

He's like, it's tough, man.

We're so close to like synchronicity where we're going to be able to be inside robots.

And I went, not, I'm like, just to be clear, not us.

You just need to like not mega since 64 was influential to the right engineer It was like I got you guys Oh dude when you guys did the fucking Tetris video.

I was like I gotta make these guys live forever

It's too good

They just we were talking about it on the way here.

They just did a big stream called 64X

And they asked

Matt Johnson from Nirvana the band the show who directed Blackberry to like hey you make a short video and they gave Rocco like 40 hours of footage to edit And they went, here's a new episode of Nirvana the Bantha Show.

Fucking crazy.

But we were talking about, because like, that stuff's cool because people who are way more successful than you are fans of yours.

And we were talking about like Rooster Teeth.

It's just like, just thank me on a podium.

Just get away.

If you're really, really successful, just get up there and say, thanks, Jeff.

I'm never going to be on a podium.

Right.

I recognize that.

Like, it's never.

I did some early podium stuff very early on in the history of Rooster Teeth.

Yeah.

And most of it was just opportunities to embarrass Bernie on stage.

But I'm not going to get back up on a podium ever again.

I'll never accept a Lifetime Achievement Award.

I'll never get an honorary doctorate.

I'm certainly never going to win an award for film work or comedy work.

But if someday somebody gets up on stage to accept their Golden Globe or their, I don't know, Friars Club award or whatever it is and just goes.

Those are the same.

I liked...

I liked this web series when I was a kid.

I thought they were pretty funny.

That would be nice.

Shout out to those guys.

You can thank everyone in the world.

Make sure you thank Rooster Teeth.

Not everybody.

I just want to matter to one person who does well.

I mean, I want to matter to

matter, but that sounds reductive to the people who don't do well.

I want to matter to everybody.

But you know, you just like.

I want to be thanked.

You want to be like,

yeah, not even so much.

Yeah, I guess.

That sounds

ego-driven, but.

Right, which it is.

I just think it'd be cool.

I just think it'd be cool to be a success, like an award-winning, successful person's partial inspiration.

Does that make sense?

Yes,

I think that would be great.

Yeah.

I think that would be really fantastic.

I don't know that it's going to happen for us.

No, it's never going to happen.

I think that would be cool.

That's what pipe dreams are for.

That's true.

You got to keep dreaming in those pipes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'll go back to Seoul, right?

How's that been going?

Like, you feel like you have a pretty good handle on it?

Or do you feel like you're trying to get a good handle on it or you like well this guy looks like russell brand

well i can't look at him you just look no you can look he's not looking ow he turned away though you can't see him but he really does the back of him looks like russell brand no the front of him even more everybody is here today yeah everybody's here today all the stars are here uh sorry i didn't mean to interrupt you how is it going oh here comes russell brand again oh there he goes god damn it man you're just missing him I'm never gonna see Russell Brand.

It looks like he's ranting about vaccines, so it might really be him.

I was wondering if you feel like you have a good handle.

It does look like Russell Brandt.

If you have a good handle in Solarite, or do you feel like it's something where you're like, this was fun and I don't want to do it anymore?

Both.

Yeah.

I've definitely hit the part where

this is why

I recorded eight before I released one.

Yeah.

And I'm up to 10 now, I think, recorded.

Because I knew I would hit that point and I wanted to see if I could push through it or not.

I didn't expect to hit it in week three just from having to make thumbnails.

But yeah.

I kind of woke up this morning feeling that way.

That's okay, though.

You got to push through that.

That's to be expected.

That's going to be.

Those moments exist no matter how much you like the production that you're working on.

The thing about a podcast is everyone wants to start a podcast, but no one wants to do episode 50.

Yeah, man.

It's why when you have an idea, whatever your idea, your idea is about roofing.

I'm going to make a podcast about the ins and outs of roofing.

And then you go and you come up with a clever name, you know, and

it's like slinging shingles or whatever, you know.

Very clever.

Shingle slingers or what.

And it's like.

Even more clever.

And then you Google it, and there's seven of that podcast with that name.

And you're like, God damn it, somebody, seven people had that idea before me.

But then you look and they all uploaded one or two podcasts in 2018 and then never again.

It's fun to do.

I think if this wasn't my job, you know, it would be a thing that would be like fun to do

one or two times.

And then you go, all right, right, well, back to my regular job.

Because it is, as much as it doesn't feel like work, because you're listening to it and you're going, this sounds fun.

It is work to have to not just do this, but to find the time to do it, to find the time to turn it around and put it up and go, all right, we got to keep going.

It's work to treat it.

It's work to treat it with the respect it deserves.

Yep.

It's work to treat it like work.

Yeah.

And unfortunately, if you want it to be successful, you have to,

it has to become work and you have to treat it like work.

It can still be fun.

You know, we can have fun in our job, but these things can't be successful unless you give them the attention and

the

effort they deserve.

Yeah.

And I think that what we have the benefit of is diversification in what we make.

Because if Anma was the only podcast we were doing, we would have to put a lot of focus, a lot of energy, and a lot of time into something like this.

It'd be a different podcast, I think.

Exactly.

But because Anma is what it is, and it doesn't have to be the biggest fucking thing we do, because we have other things that are doing

face.

Yeah, right?

Like, that's the stronger.

That's Stinky Dragon.

Like, those things have legs that they stand on that can support something small like this where we can go get a cup of coffee and shoot the shit and hang out because it's the only time you're going to see Gus.

And

we have the ability to do something small and not have to put a ton of work into it.

And that's nice.

But that just means we have to put the work that we would do here into another thing, and that would be face.

And it's what I do for Face Jam.

It's what Gus does for Stinky Dragon.

It's the lift, it's the elevation for like the bigger shows to support something smaller like this, where it's like, we were talking about this last week.

Like, I don't know what we want to do with Anma.

Like, we want to keep doing it and not like change it.

But it's like, why don't we take it on the road?

Like, we've talked about that endlessly.

Sorry that we keep bringing it up, but it's like, I think that's the inevitability of like what we have to do here.

Yeah, it's, I'm with you there.

Anna's an interesting one because it's a...

If Anma had ended in 10 episodes,

that would have made sense.

Just a quick little walk down memory lane.

And I didn't want it to end in 10 episodes, and I don't want it to end in 10 episodes, but we are on episode what?

50?

Yeah, something like that realm.

Going for about a year.

Going for about a year, and I would like to get to episode 100.

Yeah.

But at some point, you just have to visualize what that is so you know what you're working towards.

And I guess the answer could be as simple as Anma at episode 100 looks exactly like episode Anma at episode 50.

But I don't think so.

No, I don't think so either.

I don't think that we would be satisfied with that.

There has to be some sort of

evolution or reason to continue.

Because Gus and I will run out of stories.

Yeah.

And that's okay.

That's inevitable, but I don't necessarily want that to mean the the end of the show.

No.

Because I think you and I were talking about this privately last week after recording an episode.

We both agree that once Anna's over, we'll never see Gus again.

We'll never see Gus again.

Yeah.

And Gus has been my friend now since 1998.

And I would like him.

I'd like a few more years with him.

I'd like at least another two years with him before he disappears from my life forever.

So yeah,

it's hard to visualize.

It can be hard to visualize with a project like this.

It's hard to draw the line out and see where it's going.

But I agree with you.

I think that touring probably makes sense in some kind of way.

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You know what's funny about Anma is if you look at this in the sort of business model of podcasts, Anma is the behind-the-paywall bonus one that you pay for because it is for very it's fan service and it's for like really like hardcore fans but but but we are putting it out

for everyone I know the the business model of Anma seems like it would be the ancillary thing for you know f ⁇ face or whatever other podcast where it is a little bit more niche and we're just doing it Anma is 100% a first-only podcast that we didn't make first only.

I think that's a great way to put it.

And I see the comments all the time from people.

I saw one the other day that said,

I had to stop listening to Anma.

I appreciate the old stories, but I just don't give a shit about Austin.

And I feel like they talk about Austin more than old stories sometimes.

And it definitely goes, you know, there's peaks and valleys with that.

And I totally get that.

And I don't begrudge that person.

I get it.

And it makes me think about it.

Why would somebody who isn't interested in Austin or interested in our old stories

or probably both

want to listen to this podcast?

And that's okay because it wasn't designed.

No, this is a selfishly designed podcast to hang out with Gus and get coffee.

It's my favorite podcast to record because I get a free cup of coffee on Mondays.

A very good free cup of coffee.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Like Des Nudo, 10 out of 10.

But that's what this is.

And I think that's how you have to look at the business of podcasting is like, okay, what's your offering outward?

And then what is behind the paywall?

And then because it's...

You have ads, but the ads don't support everything.

So what's the behind the paywall stuff?

We have some stuff that'll be coming down the line for not Anmo, but just sort of everything for like Rooster Teeth or whatever behind this first stuff and everything.

Right.

Which I'm really excited about because it, to me, it gives us more room to play where, again, Anma doesn't get made

if people don't support first.

And I know that sounds kind of backwards because this isn't like a first product, but that's how it works, right?

Like we're able to do it because of that.

Right.

This is like Anma's not a project that's ever going to make money.

No.

We can't.

We can't come up with a bunch of dumb inventions to sell like in face or

you know, clever kitchen gadgets like like in Face Jam or gavels or

we're not going to sell a ton of t-shirts.

Like, we're going to sell some coffee mugs and we might sell some coffee at some point.

Right.

But yeah, this is definitely.

Anma is a deep cut.

Anma's a B-side, you know?

It's that Led Zeppelin song that only you like.

Yeah, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think we have to be really honest about it.

And we have to be really honest with you guys about it.

About what the show is.

And

it is a way for us to get together, and it is fan service, and that's fine.

But also, you have to see that, like, the growth capability of something like that is not very big.

And again, if this was the only show that we were doing, it would probably lean more like something like how RTP or Drunk Tank was, where you'd have to find new stuff and get guests and have more current events or whatever.

Yeah.

And this is like, we ate the hamburger from Hilbert's, and we like the hamburger from Hilbert's.

And I think that's totally fine for a show like this.

Yeah.

I wish Gus was around more.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, just in general, that would be great.

But like,

that's, but I respect that Gus says no.

Now, you gotta, you gotta love and respect Gus.

Gus is a, and this is one thing I learned in therapy over the last couple years is about setting.

setting and then adhering to boundaries.

Yep.

And how while it can come across as cold,

it's super healthy and necessary for both sides of the relationship.

And Gus is just,

he's not the best at communicating them, but he's very, very good at creating boundaries for himself.

And I really appreciate that about him.

Yeah,

I think you have to consider if it's up to

you to disappoint others or disappoint yourself, you should disappoint others.

You shouldn't, if you have the ability, you shouldn't disappoint yourself.

Yeah, I'm not as good about that as Gus is.

I know.

Working with both of you, I'm very aware of that.

Incredibly aware of that.

But there's a lot of stuff coming for face that I'm really excited about that I'm thinking about when this comes out, and I think we can talk about it, but we'll wait.

And there's a lot of stuff coming for like first and everything that I'm really excited about that we're going to be able to do.

But hopefully, Anma is something that we can continue to do.

But also, if it ends, it ends.

I just don't want it to.

But here's the thing.

When you said, like, oh, if we just did 10 episodes, here's why I couldn't do that.

If we just did 10 episodes, then this is the new RT at home fucking four episode thing that we recorded or whatever.

And then people tweet at me and just go like, you guys should do more of that.

Man.

I wanted to do more of that, by the way.

I think I was the only one, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't care to do more of it.

It was like, it's fine, but I think just to do that thing there and people need to just be fine with like, this is like a short run thing.

And it's it's like, we're either going to do this really, really, really limited run, or we're going to do it in perpetuity.

And I just want to be left alone mostly.

So I just want, I don't want people to go, you should do more data.

You know, I feel like we should, now that we've been talking about this for a while now, we should preface this conversation.

We should post-preface this conversation by saying that

Anna's not on the chopping block, or this isn't even a discussion.

This is just you and I.

Oh, yeah, we're just, yeah, we're just talking.

This is what we would be talking about otherwise.

We have this conversation constantly.

Yeah, we talked about it.

We talked like this on Friday.

Yeah, and

we don't have this conversation with Gus.

Yeah.

Because he doesn't want to be a part of it.

Well, yeah, Gus just doesn't want to talk.

Gus is like, well, I'm either going to do it or I'm just not going to do it.

And it's like, well, all right.

But, Eric, you and I are, you and I are in a lot of ways business partners.

Absolutely.

And we kind of run the face show together and we run the Anmus show and now we run my So Alright Show.

Uh-huh.

Like basically everything that I'm a part of,

the break show, you and I have kind of become like, I don't know, a little team,

which is great.

I love it.

And I'm happy with it.

And because of that, all of our interactions tend to

steer in this direction.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just think that I learned, we work very similarly, so I think I know how to spin you up in the right direction.

And it's not to give you a blank piece of paper and say, hey, write down this thing.

If I give you 10 things that are already written, you go.

That's it.

If I can give you something,

if I can like lob you the ball, you'll knock it out of the park.

And that's the way that you operate.

Like with Michael, we can just sit down in a room and he'll just, what about this?

What about that?

What about this?

What about that?

And he'll just go.

Blank.

Doesn't matter.

Gus, you kind of have to like ease and find the route until it's something that he wants to do.

And I just think people work differently.

You just have to know how to navigate Gus from day to day.

Uh-huh.

And I don't mean that

negatively at all.

It's just like you just, Gus is just one of those people.

Yeah.

And I think that's fine.

Again, it's just the way different people operate.

I know how I am.

I'm naturally very,

I'm not in motion.

I like

to

sit and wait.

And I'm

a little bit lazy by nature.

And so when I have...

Other people that I know I can spin up, so I like producing and I don't need to host because I like

helping other people get going.

Yeah.

Because I'm never going to motivate myself.

I had a when I was in my early 20s.

This is when I was friends with Gus.

Uh-huh.

Oh, nice.

I had a 1965 Ford Mustang for just about a year that I bought.

I had always wanted one

my entire life.

I had a little bit of money, and so I went and I bought one for like four grand.

And I got a $4,000 1965

Mustang.

It was an utter piece of shit.

Yeah.

But it did one thing very well.

It went forward

fast.

Like if you turned it on and hit the gas, it wanted to go in a straight line as fast as it could.

And that's all it wanted to do.

If it turned, it would start to fall up.

It would break apart.

Yeah.

You know?

But I always feel like I'm kind of, like, looking back at it now, I'm kind of like that car.

I just want to go forward as fast as possible at all times.

I get it.

I don't know how to do any other.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You just need, it's maneuvering and finding that other stuff.

And uh, I don't know, I think that's just what that's like the business of show business, right?

Like

finding the people that work well together and then keeping to me, and we've talked about this, keeping it small and keeping it very like

keeping it very tight with the people that you know you can be tight with to do the stuff that you want to do.

And and when you look at things like face or face ship, like these are like small

teams, even like you look look at like red web stinky dragon like this kind of stuff everyone's in like their own like little pocket and that's just how people they operate well and then it's part of a larger system that allows them to continue and do this stuff

because if it was just us we're so it's such small fish stuff you know what I mean that you you need the help

of taking all of these little groups, teaming them together, and having the larger push.

And that's

how you can be successful.

It's why podcasts, it's where you see like your mom's house and all like this other stuff, like these podcast networks and like groups and teams and everything.

It's why they work.

It's why they operate.

Bundles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everyone wants bundles.

And it makes sense.

I mean, that's fine.

But

you know, podcasts are kind of like,

I had this thought earlier when we were talking about

how everybody wants to make one podcast.

Yeah.

I feel like podcasts in the 2020s are what independent film was in the 80s and the 90s.

Okay.

Like everybody thought they had one independent movie.

Like everybody woke up one day when they were 20 and thought, I can make a movie.

You know?

It's just a hell of a lot easier to make a podcast than it is to make that movie.

It is.

The barrier of entry is so low, which is good and definitely bad.

But it's not about finding the stuff that you don't like.

It's about finding the stuff you like, gravitating towards that and elevating it the best that you can.

Because why would you spend your time on stuff you don't like?

Doesn't make any sense.

What the fuck are you doing?

Can I tell you a funny story that just popped into my head that I haven't thought thought about since probably 1999 oh that's exciting yeah so i was talking about that car that mustang i had i i ended up selling it i don't remember who i sold it to but i there is one dude i didn't sell it to

uh my neighbor at this in this old neighborhood i gus and i lived in was a sweet old retired couple that always had internet problems.

So I was always going over to reboot their router and help them fix their internet, right?

And they had a son who was in his 20s who would come by sometimes time to time kind of a like a redneck dude and he came over one day and asked me about my car and i was like i'm actually trying to sell it are you interested and he was like yeah i'm interested and he drove it and then he it died on him and then he put it backwards and back backwards and fried fried my my car a little bit.

Oh my God.

And he tried to jump it off wrong and he fried my battery and then he was just like, you know, I'm not interested.

And I was like, dude, I got it.

And I had this whole awkward thing where like he fucking, he did some damage to my car.

And then he just kind of left.

And I had to figure out how to get my car home and fix it.

And I was neighbors with his parents.

And they were kind of, it was a whole weird thing for a while.

And I think he was maybe a bit of a disappointment to the family.

No.

But I was over there a couple months later helping his mom

fix her internet.

And

we got to talking and I was just I was just kind of fishing around about like, you know, what's up with your son?

And she was like, yeah, he's had a really hard time.

You know, he was married and then it didn't go well.

And then his wife, she left him and moved to LA or she moved to California to do the porno.

And, you know, and now he just, he wants her back, but she's doing the porno and that's just like really hard on him.

And I, I looked her up and his wife had become a very famous porn star.

Really?

A very dirty famous porn star.

No way.

I don't remember her name now.

This is 20 years ago, but I remember being like, oh, Lord, like, like, clutch my pearls.

Oh, Lord.

Wow.

Oh, Lord.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Just as an aside.

That just popped into my head.

That's so cool.

And I remember thinking, like, oh, that dude's going through some stuff.

I'll buy a new battery.

It's fine.

That rules.

Yeah.

Did you ever see him again?

Probably once or twice.

They ended up moving away, and he probably helped them move or something.

Damn, that's awesome.

I didn't really know the dude.

I wasn't friends with him.

Yeah.

I don't think we even talked after that.

Well, let me know when you remember the name.

I'll figure it out.

Start Googling, but make sure you're like an incognito or whatever.

So you don't do it on your company laptop.

It was somebody who was famous in 1999.

Man.

All right.

We'll break out the VHS.

You know what's this would be the last thing.

What kills me right now is that people call VCRs VHS players because we've been so removed from that technology that no one remembers the name VCR.

Yeah.

That's all.

It's just something weird that I noticed.

And it's not younger people, too.

It's everyone.

It's people like my age.

And I'm like, you're 39 and you're saying like vhs play vcr dude vcr the you talking about yeah what the yeah i don't know any i haven't noticed that but now i will yeah it's all over tick tock you'll see i'm already angry yeah you're i'm pretty angry don't worry about it was this any good i think it's good enough

the story of rooster team yeah sorry we didn't talk enough sorry we didn't talk about a black flag album or whatever um hey if you want to follow us you can at anima podcast hopefully you like this and hopefully you like the thing that we recorded uh at uh rtx eight weeks ago.

We will be back with new episodes next week where hopefully we'll have some more guests on.

I want to get some more guests and do a bunch of that stuff.

Who's your favorite black flag singer?

You got to go between Keith Morris, Des Cadena, Chavo, or Henry Rollins.

I guess you could add like all the post-breakup, like Mike Vallalis or whatever, but

it's

Henry Rollins.

It's

when I put on TV party, it's not

supposed to be an anthem.

It's making fun of people who are watching TV.

I don't give a fuck.

I love TV Party.

You got to love TV Party.

It's a fantastic song.

From a fantastic era,

it's like saying, what's your favorite flavor of ice cream, right?

There's no wrong answer.

It's hard to beat.

Well, Henry Rollins is definitely not my favorite, but he was very good.

That first damaged album is so good.

Uh-huh.

I like Chavo.

He was

raw.

Yeah.

Rough.

I get it.

There you go.

We talked about music.

That's pretty good.

Henry Rollins in an interview, said that

Black Flag wasn't a thing that he enjoyed.

It was a thing he survived.

And I went, that's pretty cool.

That's a great way to put it.

That's a great way to do it.

If you've never read Get in the Van,

it is a phenomenon.

I feel like I say the word phenomenal too much.

That's my new thing.

I'm going to stop saying phenomenal.

It's a fantastic book.

You can say it a lot.

I worked at Razor, and that's what our CEO said all the time.

He would call things phenomenal.

So I'm basically like a CEO.

You're just like

a major peripheral company.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Get a rainbow keyboard, bro.

Guys, thanks for listening.

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And you listen to this because that's important and it helps us.

And people go, hey, the fucking Anima's on the, this is on your steam and people listen to this.

That's great.

That helps.

Also, please listen to my So Alright podcast.

If you're listening to this, then it sounds like you're already receptive to the idea of listening to a podcast.

If you are listening to this and you haven't listened to So Alright, you're the fucking craziest person person I know.

That's insane to listen to this and go, nah, I don't need So Alright.

You're a fucking psycho.

Go listen to So Alright.

If you're this far into this, really, legitimately, if you're this far into this and you haven't checked out So Alright, what the fuck are you doing?

It's real easy.

It's short.

It is.

It's short.

Well, some of them are shorter than others.

First one, about 15 minutes.

Second one, they're somewhere in the 30-minute range now.

Right around there.

But the recordings are much longer and sometimes re-recorded.

So check us out there.

Go follow So All Right.

Listen to Face.

Listen to Face Jam.

Listen to Stinky Dragon.

Stinky Dragon tearing it up right now, by the way.

God damn, man.

Is that crazy?

They deserve every bit of success that they're having.

And they are having...

I don't know.

I don't know if the audience gets to see it.

They don't get to see the macro level view.

They get to enjoy the content and they get to see

the other people around them enjoying it and having

a moment

and

kind of like

the fervent

positivity around it.

But from but taking it, but I'm able to see it from a 10,000-foot view, and it is doing so incredibly historically well.

Yep.

So like it's really impressive.

If you subscribe to First, go what they're going to have a bunch of stuff coming out on First pretty soon.

I think they just started putting out a post-show called Second Wind or something.

Check that out too.

Check out Stinky Dragon.

It helps us out, and that's important to us.

It's the only production,

and I mean this with 100% honesty, where I've walked in to Rooster Teeth, walked onto a set, and been jealous I wasn't a part of it.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, the stuff they're doing right now that we can't talk about is like so fucking cool.

A little bit of texture.

Audio texture.

Audio texture.

We got planes, trains, and automobiles, so we're good.

Yeah, I didn't want to leave their room the other day.

It was so impressive and so cool.

And like, you know, when you walk into a,

if you work in production or if you've worked in a production, you can tell in three seconds how good the show is based on the vibe in the room.

It's very good.

And it is like,

I didn't want to leave that vibe.

It's super positive and they want to show you every part of it.

Yeah.

They want to just keep showing you that.

Because it's fucking awesome and it's good.

Because there's awesome stuff to show you.

Barbara sat there with me and was like, watch this clip.

Now watch this clip.

And I wanted to watch, I saw that she had like 80 clips on her phone.

I wanted to watch every single one of them.

They're very cool.

Very, very cool.

Well, thanks for listening.

You have any final thoughts, parting words for anyone?

Des Nuto, 10 out of 10?

No, Des Nuto, 10 out of 10.

Hope you enjoyed the Des Nuto Chronicles episode 1.

Looking forward to doing episode 2 here in about nine weeks or so.

Let us know

if you let us know what you would like to see from Anma.

What you think we could do with it or where it could go?

If we went on the road with it, where should we go?

What would we talk about?

What would that look like?

Any old stories you've heard Gus and I reference on podcasts or you heard us tell in the first 200 episodes of the podcast that you'd like to hear us retell with a little,

maybe a little bit more flair, but probably less accuracy 20 years on.

And that's really all we're doing here, so it's fine.

Yeah,

just misremembering our past.

All right, thanks for listening.

We'll see you next time.

Bye.