Episode 405: Tali Edut: Using Astrology for Career Success and Work Styles + Why Your Moon Sign Matters

Speaker 1 Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle, Gresham.

Speaker 1 All right, you guys, you're in for a treat. This is going to be a really fun podcast.
Today, we have one of the Astro twins. Her name is Tali Adut.
Yes. Is that how you say it? It is.

Speaker 1 All right. And Tali is a celebrity astrologer, astrologist.
Is that what you say? Astrologer. I like hearing.
Astrologer.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah. All right.
She's worked with Beyoncé. She's worked with Dualipa.
Who else have you worked with? Alicia Keys. We did a reading for Carly Kloss, Emma Roberts.
A lot of, a lot of ladies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of girls. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Astrology is its own, I hate the term, but girl math, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It kind of is, though.

Speaker 1 All the girls I know. love astrology, including me.
Oh, great.

Speaker 1 Including me. And so she, what's interesting about Tali is that she does this with her twin sister.
That's why why they're called the Astro twins.

Speaker 1 And the book is called, their new book is called The Astrology Advantage. And, you know, they also did my chart, but we're going to learn so many things in this book.

Speaker 1 This book, like I said, is super fun.

Speaker 1 I'm not someone who typically will have astrologists on the podcast, but the reason why I really wanted to speak with you is because you do talk about how astrology can be helpful in productivity, in your career, in lots of different ways, how you can apply it to make it work, which again, I'm all about like taking something that and using it for actionable purposes versus just yammering on and just talking about it.

Speaker 1 So, thank you for being here. I'm so excited, and thanks for giving astrology a chance.
Oh, no, listen, I like it, like I said, in my

Speaker 1 hobby, but now I'm bringing it to like the podcast, which I'm excited about. So, by the way, Tali from Astro Twins, she's like half of the Astro.

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Speaker 1 Yum. It's good, right? Leave it to a Virgo to have like the best.
Like, yeah. Leave it to Virgo.
Always have, like, well, you know, like, find the things that we all have.

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Speaker 1 Because it's the ingredients are like top top notch there's like ashwagandha there's matcha there's like turmeric i have so many questions for you about business i feel like we have to like hang out sometime because anytime yeah okay go ahead we can anytime okay now we're going to get into the podcast so can you just say maybe in a few sentences what is astrology Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And literally anyone can learn it. You don't have to be a psychic to be an astrologer because there's a system to it that anyone can learn.
I've actually taught it to hundreds of people at this point.

Speaker 1 Really? Because that was my next question. I was going to say, do you have to be kind of psychic? You really don't.
I mean, I think we all are actually a little bit psychic.

Speaker 1 And it kind of gives you that code. So, what it is, is a snapshot of the planets in their orbit at any given moment in time.

Speaker 1 So, if we're looking up at the sky, now we obviously we know the sun is the center of the of

Speaker 1 our universe here.

Speaker 1 But in astrology, it says we get to look up at the sky and it's as if the sun and moon and all the planets are orbiting around us so if we freeze frame them in their exact you know at any exact minute in time you have this map um each one will be lining up with a different zodiac sign and then astrologers know how to interpret that so most people know their sun sign they know where the sun was when they were born i know you're a virgo i'm a sagittarius but we also have a moon sign, Mercury, and Venus, Mars, and each one is like in charge of a different area of your life.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. So why do we all focus then on the sun sign? Well, the sun really is the essence of your personality.
And it's a, it's, it's trackable.

Speaker 1 You know, it's, it's based on your birthday during these, the same time every year, you know, but I don't know. I think that that's just where modern astrology has taken us.

Speaker 1 But the Greeks, the Egyptians, even back to the Babylonians, they looked at everything. Where was the moon? Where was Mercury? And it's really unique.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 So then if we don't have, okay, so you're saying it's the essence of our personality is in the sun sign.

Speaker 1 Okay. But then in terms of the moon and all the other pieces, do we not really get? a clear decisive indication if we don't know all the other pieces like it really does round out the picture.

Speaker 1 So that's how I got obsessed with astrology. This was not my intended career.
I went to the University of Michigan. I studied art and journalism.
Get out. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So how, so you went to college for like for like a different type of occupation? Absolutely. It was like, this was like, okay, hi, mom.
I'm becoming an astrologer now.

Speaker 1 Thank God my mom is awesome and a Leo. So your mom's and a rabbi, which I thought was great.
Okay. So then how did you go from that to now being a nostrologist? You know, or.
Yeah. Or is whatever.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interchangeable.

Speaker 1 While I was at the University of Michigan, I started publishing a magazine, a multicultural size positive women's magazine. It was a project that turned in an entrepreneurial life of its own.

Speaker 1 This happens to Sagittarians. We're like, hobby, career.

Speaker 1 So it's part of my, but

Speaker 1 one of the things. Exactly.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you could really, yeah. So the unifying language among this diverse group of us who put the magazine together was astrology.
We started doing our charts.

Speaker 1 And that's when I found out that I had a Scorpio moon. And it just, so the moon is your inner nature.
And I started to learn one piece at a time.

Speaker 1 So while your sun sign really shows how you shine in the world, the moon is your private self. And

Speaker 1 that really does balance out, you know, who you, who you are with your family and friends can be different than who you are out in public. So that's so interesting.

Speaker 1 So like for me, being a Virgo, right? Yeah. That is so my, that's my sun sign.
Yeah. What would be, so you're saying that what, who we are in our deeper inner self is our moon sign.

Speaker 1 To me, that's way more interesting and much more telling

Speaker 1 about a human being than what we,

Speaker 1 what people's perception or optics are. Oh, yeah.
Your moon is in Libra. So mine is? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Libra is a sign of justice, of peace, of harmony, of, you know, you really can get emotional and people are being treated unfairly or things feel unjust.

Speaker 1 It's also about beauty and, you know, so aesthetics, things like you have a good eye for things, probably.

Speaker 1 I mean, not particularly, actually, not for my own clothing, but that's besides the point. Not very fashion-forward.
But I mean, maybe you're right.

Speaker 1 Like, what I'm good at is I can, I could, I can see it in somebody else just on myself. But emotionally, like, you take good care of yourself.
Yeah, yeah, I take very carefully.

Speaker 1 And that's like that is kind of the Libra moonway. You need, you do not like, you don't really like conflict, but you will get in there if you have to fight.
If I have to.

Speaker 1 If you have to, but it's probably not your preference. Not my preference.
Yeah. No, is that really what is a so? What is like a Virgo, in your opinion? Yeah, so Virgos are an earth sign.

Speaker 1 So every sign is categorized as one of four elements, fire, earth, air, or water, and one of three modalities, cardinal, fixed, and mutable.

Speaker 1 And so you are a mute, Virgo is immutable, which means it's very changeable and adaptable. But it's an earth sign, which means it's very traditional and stable.

Speaker 1 So it's kind of a quirky sign to be because on the one hand, you know, people, Virgos get such a bad rap. And this is the biggest lie out there that Virgos are boring.
I cannot think of

Speaker 1 a less boring sign. But Virgos do like things to be sort of routine and disciplined.
Totally. But boring, I'm not.
No. But that's so interesting because most Virgos I know are not boring.
No way.

Speaker 1 Beyonce's a Virgo. Beyonce's a Virgo.
I'm just thinking, you know, like Virgo.

Speaker 1 Name some famous Virgos.

Speaker 1 Well, Kobe Bryant was a Virgo. Dr.
Drew is a Virgo. Who else? Prince Harry, Blake Lively, Beyonce Pink.
Oh, Blake Lively and Beyonce are too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, can you give us some like any kind of juicy gossip about what you found out about Beyonce? Or

Speaker 1 a girl named Demetria who works with us here is obsessed with her. So I'm doing this.
That's a question for her more than for me, to be honest. But you're welcome, Demetria.
She'll thank you.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow's her birthday.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's its birthday. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, she was really, she was really cool. I mean, she's, she is as nice as she appears to be.
She had no attitude, no, she's just like present and real.

Speaker 1 And when we did the reading for her, it was a long time ago. It was when she first started dating Jay-Z and we were doing readings at the Billboard Music Awards.
And I was like, hey, do you want?

Speaker 1 a chart for you know who too because you can do a relationship chart oh when you put both side by side and you can actually blend the two charts together to find a relationships whole chart as well.

Speaker 1 That's another, that's, I know, it's fascinating. It is fascinating.
So she, yeah, she was, and she came back. We saw her in the next day.
She's like, I stayed up all night reading this.

Speaker 1 And because she's a Virgo. She's a Virgo.
Exactly. That's what you do.
That's right. That's what we do.
Okay. So let's talk about a couple of things.
Let's start with the archetypes of

Speaker 1 these signs. Like there's, you said there's three.

Speaker 1 There's three. So every zodiac sign is either fire, earth, air, and water.
Right. So the fire signs, should I go through them? Yeah.
Okay. Fire signs are Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So very creative, impulsive, dynamic, you know, the big idea people.

Speaker 1 And then we have the earth signs, which are Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn. And those signs are more traditional, structured, stabilizing.
They like things to go according to plan.

Speaker 1 And they're very, they're the ones you can depend on too for things. Then we have the air signs.
So kind of the social butterflies. That's Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And then lastly, the very emo water signs, Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. They're the nurturers, the powders, the, you know, they're, so.

Speaker 1 Then there's a second way that we group them, which are cardinal. Those are the signs that start each season.
So that that is why we wrote this.

Speaker 1 And I'll get our book is kind of all about these groupings. So yeah.
The cardinal signs are Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn.

Speaker 1 These start every season and thus they are, they have that quality about them. People born under those signs or who have those signs in their chart will be.
the ones who just get out there.

Speaker 1 We call them the innovators. We've given them new names.
Okay, so this is the I am, right? Yes, this is the I am system. Okay, this is the I am system.
Okay, so I is the innovator. Go on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's someone who has mostly cardinal signs. I have that in my chart.
So I've started a business since I used to crush up rose petals and try to sell perfume in Michigan to the neighbors. Really?

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, as I'm thinking, that's great. I love that.

Speaker 1 And then the fixed people have mostly fixed signs. These are the mid-season signs.
Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. They're the planners, the traditionalists.
We call them the authorities.

Speaker 1 They're the ones who end up becoming an expert on things.

Speaker 1 And in fact, that's your archetype. Oh, authority.
So I'm an A, I'm an authority. You're an A, you're an authority, and very much so.
Yeah. Really? But you're an earth authority.
Based on.

Speaker 1 Okay, so wait, let me get this straight because this can be a little complicated. Sure, I know.
Okay, it is. There's a lot of things.
We just dove right in.

Speaker 1 Well, no, because, yeah, because why not, right? Why not we do? So it's the you created this thing called the I am system.

Speaker 1 And it's the I stands for innovator, A stands for authority,

Speaker 1 and M stands for the Maven. That's someone with mostly mutable signs in their chart.
Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces, they're the ones who wear a lot of hats.

Speaker 1 These are the signs that end every season. They're kind of the ambassadors, the messengers.

Speaker 1 They pull us, they can go back and forth between two worlds, three worlds. But you said I'm an authority.
You are an authority. But then it says, you said, I'm also a maven.

Speaker 1 No, no, you're not a maven. I'm not a maven.
Yeah. Because it says here in the innovator.
Well, okay. Virgo is a maven sign.
But the way we calculate the I am is by taking your whole chart.

Speaker 1 We take your sun sign, your moon sign. Got it.
This is the sign.

Speaker 1 Yes. All the planets from Mercury through Pluto and a couple other points, the rising sun and the nodes.
So 13 points in your chart.

Speaker 1 And we kind of put them in a blender so that we can really distill the essence of your entire chart.

Speaker 1 Like, I'd like to say astrology has a marketing problem you know it's like everyone loves it but it's they don't have time to learn it it's complicated that's the problem that's why it's complicated it's it's there's a lot of information so it seems like it's complicated like you just said well yeah you're a virgo because that's your sun sign but really you're a libra moon sign and then this way so like it's like like i can tell you so just to you know you are you have mercury and virgo okay wait let's start with this okay i think that's how we're going to do it.

Speaker 1 So people are not going to be like, totally feel like they're like, all right. I know we have all of them.

Speaker 1 Let's start with my chart. Let's go through all of it and then we can like figure it out.
So go with the, yeah. So start with the.

Speaker 1 Okay. So your sun sign is in Virgo.
That's the essence of who you are. Okay.
And your main character energy. So how you present in the world, Virgos are disciplined.
They're organized.

Speaker 1 They're thoughtful, full of advice, always, you know, right? Very much, they're achievers for sure. Okay, I can, I can go with that.
Yeah. All right.
And then, like we said, your moon is in Libra.

Speaker 1 So you're actually romantic too at heart. Very much a, you know, a relationship girly, as they say.
You like things to be even-keeled, peaceful. Now, Mercury is the planet that's our the messenger.

Speaker 1 It's our communication style, which you have in Virgo. So you need things to be precise.
You need them to be exact.

Speaker 1 You want to know, prove it, very factual mind um organ you have an organized mind probably too i'm a lot better it's i the funny thing is i'm very disorganized maybe uh but when it comes to like do you like to categorize things

Speaker 1 see i guess i i feel like i'm super disorganized i can my i don't have a lot of like administratively i'm very disorganized but i'm very meticulous in how things should be done like routine regiment schedule stuff like that and that's where mercury comes in it's like the data planet.

Speaker 1 So, and you're a great interviewer. And so, I think Mercury and Virgo like knows how to ask good questions.
You're very inquisitive. Um, because we're curious, probably, yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 And wanting to know, wanting to put the puzzle together, probably. Yeah, exactly.
Now, Venus and Mars are fun because these are the love planets.

Speaker 1 Venus is kind of how you like to be wooed, and Mars is like what you're attracted to. What am I attracted to? You are attracted.
Well, so your Venus is in Leo, and your Mars is in Virgo.

Speaker 1 So you actually, that's an interesting dynamic because you want to be, you want to be romanced.

Speaker 1 You want fun and play and you want to, you know, be, you want to feel like the queen, but you also like someone who's hardworking, maybe a little quieter and simpler.

Speaker 1 And, you know, so it's like, you have to find someone who knows how to, I just remember when I was on a J date years ago, they'd be like, someone who looks as good in a ball gown as she does in sweats, you know?

Speaker 1 Like, someone who looks as good in running gear as he does in a tux or something. Right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But who doesn't want that? I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 1 who who doesn't want a guy who can like be diverse, like who can diversify like that? Yeah, but you definitely, you, you don't just want that. You need that.
So I like diversification, so to speak.

Speaker 1 Somebody who can dress up and go and be, you know, just someone who like really knows how to give gifts, but also when it's time to hunker down and be practical. Totally.
I like practical for sure.

Speaker 1 But you're saying that, does that say that I like Leo's? And what's the other one? I mean, not necessarily.

Speaker 1 Venus and Leo also means that, you know, you, Venus and Leo is like how you dress, how you take care of yourself. So there's a glam side to you too, even if you are sporty.
A little bit.

Speaker 1 I mean, I mean, your hair is done. You got your little money.
Yeah, exactly. I have like, like, my nails are always have to be on point.
Oh, I do like my hair done. Yes.

Speaker 1 But even though I wear like, yeah,

Speaker 1 casual. I'm casual.
Casual glam. Casual glam.

Speaker 1 that's a good way because mars and virgo also shows like venus is the feminine and mars is the masculine if you want to get archetypal about it and so we all have both in us so mars is also the way you motivate and move through the world so your work ethic is like crazy probably on yes my work my work ethic is i feel like yeah mars and virgo people are probably like how do you get so much done yeah but mars but wait mars is mars is also like what you need in a man it doesn't mean you're you need to be with a a Virgo, but you need to be with someone who has their stuff together, has their, is also very disciplined themselves.

Speaker 1 So my best sign would be Virgo? You know, it's just the qualities. It doesn't, there's any sign because there's so much in everybody that it's hard to just say.

Speaker 1 But because people always say, like, Virgo does well with Capricorn or it's another Earth sign or a Taurus. Taurus, right? Right.
That's a very simplistic way.

Speaker 1 I really do think any two two signs can make it work. Sometimes the weird matches are like Virgo and Aquarius can be good together.
And really, no one ever sees that. Yeah.
Why?

Speaker 1 Both are kind, like when you're five signs apart from another sign, there's like a the distance between two signs is also creates the chemistry and the tension.

Speaker 1 Almost like, are you standing next to each other in an elevator? Are you standing across the room? So sometimes people do well with a partner who is so different than them that they're never bored.

Speaker 1 And astrology can can actually show you that too. That's interesting.
I always believe that people who have more in common with each other do better together compatibility-wise.

Speaker 1 And it's like kind of like a myth, urban legend or a myth that opposites attract. I don't believe that.
Well, you have a Libra moon. So your moon, your emotional energy likes people.

Speaker 1 You don't want that. You just want it to be easy and relaxed and flow.
So you can just

Speaker 1 be who you are, you know, and not, yeah. But someone with an Aries moon may like somebody who's more of a challenge.
Yeah, I get that. I was like in my younger days, perhaps, I guess.

Speaker 1 But all right, so what else does it say? Well, the outer planets from there are more about how you are in the world. So Jupiter, which is the planet of luck and expansion, is an Aquarius for you.

Speaker 1 So that's very sporty, very like.

Speaker 1 Aquarius is the sign of the humanitarian too. So that's a big deal.
It also rules technology. So you probably do really well on YouTube and things like that.
YouTube, I do terrible at.

Speaker 1 I know Instagram, I do well. I mean, I do well on social media.
I do well on so TikTok. Yeah, I mean, I do well in Instagram.
I mean, I don't know. About TV in general.

Speaker 1 I had a weight loss show for a bit. And then, yeah, I used to do a lot of TV.
And now I do a lot of Jupiter and Aquarius. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why? Aquarius is the sign that rules electronics, the internet, you know, TV. Okay.

Speaker 1 Every sign has its own domain. I know astrologers have, we have neatly categorized every area of life among these 12 signs.
That's what I'm saying. Once you learn it, and there's a progression.

Speaker 1 It is, but it isn't because there's a progression from Aries, the first sign, which is like the baby of the zodiac to Pisces, the last sign, which is kind of the elder.

Speaker 1 So it really goes and builds one to the next to the next.

Speaker 1 And it has a, it has a flow that anyone can learn it just seems like i want to know based on my signs more than anything what is the what would be like my best like what would i what would be best for my career tips for like i said productivity like i want to know like how

Speaker 1 all my stuff actually could can it help me truly like be better or optimize an area where i'm like deficient in because i'm not i'm not using this chart properly a thousand percent And that's why we should move towards your authority because you're I am.

Speaker 1 So if like taking all these things apart one at a time, we don't live like that. Yeah.
Not like now I am emotional. What does my moon say? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now I, I mean, you will be expressing all these traits at the same time. And so that's why I love what we did in the astrology advantage, which allows you to use them all kind of at once.

Speaker 1 It kind of takes the, it's the law of averages. It averages out your chart so you can really distill the essence.

Speaker 1 So when I look at your chart, you have two fire signs, two, so of these 13 placements, two are fire, five are earth, three are air, and three are water.

Speaker 1 So earth is really the most prevalent element in your chart. Charlotte.
Interesting now. Okay.
And you're lower on fire. So sometimes being creative might be a little harder for you.

Speaker 1 You want to know, it's not that you're not creative, but

Speaker 1 you're not so much artsy. You're more of a

Speaker 1 structure.

Speaker 1 I'm not artsy at all. Like, I'll always say, like, they're like, oh, do you want to go see this? Do you want to go to this art gallery or this open?

Speaker 1 I'm like, no, I have no, listen, if you go and look at my house, my nine-year-old does all my paintings, and I'm perfectly happy with it. Art is not my favorite thing.
That's for sure.

Speaker 1 As an art schooler, I, you know, I understand that sometimes I am not athletic at all. And I really wish I was.

Speaker 1 It's like, right, but it's like part of like who our, it's our, it's our, what we naturally are gravitate to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. And so for you with Earth, it's, it's family, it's tradition, it's a sense of comfort and security that you really like more than anything.

Speaker 1 Stability, you know, Earth is also really good with money, good with business. Now, when it comes to the I am, you have three innovator placements, six authority, and four Maven.

Speaker 1 So, you have a bit of all of them, but the most prevalent one is authority. So,

Speaker 1 the authorities are really also the traditionalists. So, you're an earth authority, and we call you the provider.

Speaker 1 So, a dutiful, dependable person who takes a practical approach to life, acting as a frugal steward of their resources. Oh my God, I sound so boring.
I'm so lame.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Okay, that's hilarious.
You're not. You know, um, you're the provider, right? Am I? I don't think so.
I mean, I,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 1 no, I don't know. Maybe I am.
Maybe you are. In what way?

Speaker 1 Like, well, if we, the, actually, if I were to distill your entire chart into one zodiac sign, which the Earth Authority sign is actually Taurus.

Speaker 1 So you, if we could. put your chart in a blender, email your Virgo.
Like, if we put it all together, you would be, It's the energy of Taurus is sensual, but sensible, I say.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 That's exactly. That would be a perfect way to describe it.
Okay, I like this. I think I'm more Taurus.
Tell me what other things that Taurus are. They love to be home.
They love to be around family.

Speaker 1 They don't like change all that much. They are very much.
They're actually habits and hustle is their might as well say Taurus because it's this hardworking devoted energy.

Speaker 1 it habits are are what taurus loves it's like give me the same thing over and over again eat the same thing oh my god it's so funny right

Speaker 1 so really i'm more of a taurus than i am a virgo yeah i mean if this is kind of it's kind of funny but yes at essence we use your whole chart you're i mean you're both obviously but that taurus energy is really where your superpower is that that that's interesting i bet you then with what it sounds like a lot of people may think they're one sign,

Speaker 1 but actually be a totally different sign if they actually did their chart properly. Yeah, we have a calculator on our website.
Yeah. Tell us how this works.
Astrostyle.com slash I am. Very easy, I am.

Speaker 1 And you just put in your time, date, and place of birth. If you don't know your time, it might be off.
One of the numbers might be off by one, but it's close enough.

Speaker 1 And then you get this archetype and you, you know, you don't need to know about the elements.

Speaker 1 You can just go with your innovator, authority and MAVEN and in the book we have so many practical tips how to use that for every aspect of your life and we've we've done like coaching groups we've worked with hundreds of people we've spoken to you know we've worked with teams at companies and and really applied this like how give me an example how you can apply it like for productivity so every one of the I ams has a specific way that they like to work and they each have a time zone that they're in.

Speaker 1 So the the innovators are the futurists. We'll turn every space into a satellite office.
We need to move around. We need a lot of variety.
We have to pick up and go.

Speaker 1 The authority has what we call the command station. They want their work in one place, close the door, and then relax over here.
They don't like to blend everything together.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that do you work like that? See, I'm a, I don't know. My situation is I'm a kind of like, a lot of what you're saying does relate to me.
However, I'm also like all over the place.

Speaker 1 I'm like, like I'm very much a visionary person, not so much of an operator, which is interesting in terms of like, like you're saying, like having everything like kind of organized and scheduled and documented.

Speaker 1 And like, I'm like, I'm just a squirrel. Like I'm here, then that, that's over here.
Like I'm very, so a lot of the Virgo y things don't really apply to me, but then I am practical. I am sensible.

Speaker 1 I am, I have like both. I have a lot of like, like yin and yang.
Yeah, Virgos actually are like squirrely. You're immutable.
Virgo is a mutable sign. So Virgos are collectors.

Speaker 1 They're like, I've got this. I got this.
Now I got this. You know,

Speaker 1 really? Curators who find all the things. Like, they'll just get like 10 face creams to try or 10.
Yes. That's what I do.
And none of them work.

Speaker 1 But that's, that's, I know, it's like they're all the same.

Speaker 1 And then you go to the drugstore and you're like, damn it exactly okay so tell us how we can be more productive while i look for the other question i have absolutely you can set up your you can own who you are so authorities will go hard they'll work and then they need to clock out at the end of the day innovators need to like work and then take a break work and then take a break the mavens are always wearing a lot of different hats and they can get socially distracted too but they're great at like social media and being with people It's kind of like designing a life around your strengths is how you can use astrology.

Speaker 1 Like we can, you can be in any field, but as an authority, you know, you still need things to be regimented a certain way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whereas a Maven can drop them anywhere and they're like, I'm just going to go with the float with what everyone else is doing. That, okay, so how about this?

Speaker 1 You say in the book, adults make over 35,000 decisions a day. So how does this I am system help on a daily basis with decision making yeah um

Speaker 1 it's really answers the question like which path will be the most efficient and effective for me because at any time we can we don't always have to do what our astrology tells us to you know right right right although you know it's probably you know so if you want to optimize your decisions or even get like a reflect like in love the innovator becomes the idealist, the authority becomes the attacher, and the maven becomes the mirror.

Speaker 1 They want someone who's always like, okay, I said this, you said that. Like understanding the other people in your life is also helpful.
Like totally.

Speaker 1 As an authority, you're an attacher in relationships. You want to know, are they in or out? You're not probably a great dater.
You're not like a play around kind of person. Me? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Opposites. Exactly.
No, no, no. Opposite.
Like, I am a great date.

Speaker 1 That's what I do very well. Oh, really? Yes.
That's what I'm saying. A lot of these things do not apply.
But when you, what makes you a great dater?

Speaker 1 I had a lot of, I mean, Mary now, but I mean, I had a lot of boyfriends and a lot of dating. I mean, I was just saying on the last podcast, I have so many,

Speaker 1 I'm very social in that way. So I have a lot of people I date and...

Speaker 1 friends.

Speaker 1 But did you have a system for how you dated? No. No, you just went with it.
I will not went with it. I mean, I had a particular kind of guy I would go out with.

Speaker 1 I was very focused on having a guy that was,

Speaker 1 you know, what girls like. I want someone who's successful and eager and cute and whatever and fit, like all the same things that any girl wants.

Speaker 1 But then I even had a, I put together, like, I created a charity for breast cancer where I would auction off all these eligible bachelors because

Speaker 1 I had so many, I literally had so many guys that I knew. Oh my God.
So there's your Venus and Leah. I'm the queen of dating.

Speaker 1 That's why it doesn't make sense because I literally, in fact,

Speaker 1 little side note, Lance Armstrong had his

Speaker 1 Virgo. He's a Virgo? Yeah.
Oh, it's so funny. So he did a, he was one of my, one year of my Babes for Boobs, which is the charity auction I do.

Speaker 1 He was my host, or like we, we kind of gave him an award for raising so much money for overall cancer. And, you know, and so like we did, they, they were,

Speaker 1 they did a 30-30 for him. And I was in the 30-foot-30, like, kind of like showing everybody all the dating stuff.
Like, and it just came out like recently.

Speaker 1 So everyone's stopping me, like, oh my God, you were just in this thing. But the point is that, yeah, I have like that to me is not an area that was, I am a dater.

Speaker 1 And I know that's so, that doesn't really match. But you're a successful dater.
Yes. That's a tat.
So I will. Is that a different person? And look, you're still friends with all the guys, right? I am.

Speaker 1 So there are some of them. There's some who don't like me very much.
Oh, they don't.

Speaker 1 I can name a few.

Speaker 1 Good for a high five sister.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, so what makes somebody a successful dater versus? I don't know. Just like, I was a terrible dater.
Oh my God. It was like, I'd just be like, so, I hated it.
I was so anxious.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 as an innovator, the idealist, it's like, is he the one? Is he the one? Is he, you know, I'd always try to make everyone into the one. And that was my, my worst

Speaker 1 traits in dating, I'd say. How long have you been married? you said 15 15 years yeah how old are you uh 51.
so you got married when you were 36 yep okay good math and yeah

Speaker 1 at the virgo right exactly that's a calculator yeah

Speaker 1 so let me how accurate is all this information honestly you know i don't know it's really sometimes it doesn't fit for people but then what it can be used for in cases like that is an interesting reflection like i always say oh, take it or leave it.

Speaker 1 It's a, it's a gift that we have from the ancients. You don't have to live your life by it.

Speaker 1 You know, there's sometimes we're always evolving, we're always changing, but it's such an interesting thing to have.

Speaker 1 Like, okay, like I found when I found out I have Mars and Venus and Scorpio, I was like, well, I better, you know, round it up a little bit more there. You know,

Speaker 1 I find that there's a lot of confusion, right? Because I think there's astrology, there's tarot cards, there's all the things

Speaker 1 like what what do you get from astrology that you don't get from tarot cards or vice versa yeah astrology is a system it's really

Speaker 1 it's like there's it's very specific the time of birth is gonna plug you into this the sky it's backed up by nasa data like yeah the moon was in the libra part of the sky like nasa will tell you that you know when you were born tarot is more interpretive it's like a divination where it's like i'm pulling this card and I see the high priestess and now I'm going to interpret what that means.

Speaker 1 It's much more of a psychic thing. It's more of an interpretation.
It's interpretive. But this is more data-based.
Yeah, it is literally. It's math plus myth.

Speaker 1 There's not really math with tarot as much. Although there is within the archetypes when you learn them.
So astrology is more...

Speaker 1 it's more it's data-based it is yeah yeah it's data-based and math there's like scientific math behind it like the angles like you can get really nervous. You can get super, super like.

Speaker 1 The sun is opposite your moon. During a full moon, the sun and moon are on opposite signs.
Like you start to learn the angles. I feel like

Speaker 1 if you want to teach women to love math, just teach them how to read birth charts because we apply it. We're relationship-oriented.
It's so true. Self-knowledge-oriented.
I know. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 And so tarot cards are much more interpretive.

Speaker 1 Then, okay,

Speaker 1 how has astrology changed like in today's time versus when you first started like in the early 2000s? Oh my God. I actually started in the 90s.
In the 90s, even.

Speaker 1 And it was my sister's college boyfriend, Calvin, gave her a chart like this with a 30-page booklet describing. every planet and all the angles between them.

Speaker 1 And of course, I wanted to read it because we're twins. So I was like, give me that.
And I was like, how the hell does this thing know so much about me? I was, I was fascinated. And so I started,

Speaker 1 I don't know, weird things started happening. Like we got this piece of software and we started doing our friends charts.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to know why and how it worked because I'm, you know, skeptic too. I was like, how on earth? And I think people should be skeptical because it has not yet been proven.
But like.

Speaker 1 When you think about what science is, it's like you're studying, you're, you're looking at a data pool and you're drawing conclusions. Totally.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It it makes sense to me yeah so that's what that's what astrology that's what it is at this point but has it changed and evolved since then um you know it it's just become more accessible because of apps um snapchat you can do your whole birth chart there's an app called co-star that lets you find all your friends charts and match yourselves up and

Speaker 1 there's also these apps it was the one that i liked

Speaker 1 uh what's it the pattern the pattern how did you know i know people love that app it's because you know why

Speaker 1 it's so like that's one that I would open and like it says things. And I'm like, oh my god, that's like so

Speaker 1 to the like to the T me. Oh, it's so good.
And it is just astrology. It just doesn't tell you why.
See, for me, I'm like, where do they get that? Oh, that's Saturn. Yeah.
Well, that's a very right.

Speaker 1 How are they able to do that though for an app? But you don't have an app, do you? I do have an app, but I'm, yeah, I'm still working on developing it because there's so many apps out there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh my God, I have a web.

Speaker 1 My website is very robust you can it is yeah astrostyle.com so how does it like how do they like how did these apps even like generate all this information like it's really easy like the moon changes signs every two and a half days but all the other planets and they can just take it

Speaker 1 like i could get the nasa data at any point like they could it's it's out there. There are, it's called an ephemeris.
It's like Benjamin Franklin even used to write them. So like really an astrologer.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He was.
He was. Yep.
It's yeah. All the founding fathers were like secret astrologers.
So I guess it can also help with like hiring, right? Because totally.

Speaker 1 If you are good at reading these charts and understanding, you can say, okay, this person doesn't seem like they listen, like, it's not like an exact science, but it's at least better than nothing.

Speaker 1 And you can say, this is telling me this person is going to be a good leader. This person would make a great, you know, worker bee, or this person will be a great operator.

Speaker 1 Or Or even in terms of what you need to get the best out of it. Like our team, our two operations people are both authorities and they

Speaker 1 need to rest a lot and they need

Speaker 1 work hard and rest hard. Cause they're brain, they need like a structure.
Like if I not rest in a lazy way at all, but they need to just like not be keyed up too much.

Speaker 1 Authorities do not like to be stressed out or rushed at all. I see this is another fallacy, I think.
Not you. No.

Speaker 1 and most people I know who are Virgos, like Virgos are not, yeah, yeah, no, we don't, I don't rest. I mean, I've never, I've never taken a nap in my life.
That's the first thing.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me, let me rewind that because they're not nappers and they work.

Speaker 1 They're always ready to be on. So I don't mean like a napper, but I just mean like I don't rest.
My problem is I don't rest ever.

Speaker 1 And most Virgos I know are the same way. Yeah, Virgos, no.
Now we didn't talk about your past life sign, which is Scorpio. Oh, is that why, though? Yeah, this is okay.
We did not talk about right.

Speaker 1 We didn't get to the north and south nodes of the charts. Okay, well, yeah, we really have to talk about this.
This is what capitalist astrology is: Jews, we need to know.

Speaker 1 Yes, well, you've been like slacking over. I know, what the hell? There's just so much to talk about.
I just went on a

Speaker 1 thought there was my moon, was my Libra, my Virgo was my sun, my

Speaker 1 right, my Venus and Leo are my

Speaker 1 relationship thing.

Speaker 1 And see, look at that Virgo mind cataloging up

Speaker 1 exactly. I got to get it.
Astrologer and you, yeah. 100%.

Speaker 1 And now you're saying that my Scorpio, I'm a Scorpio in my past life? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the two points in the chart, the north and south nodes of the moon, these are where the eclipses were happening, these points in the sky when you were born.

Speaker 1 And the south node, which we say is kind of what you came into this life being naturally good at or your gifts is in Scorpio. What you're moving towards, your tycoon, your correction is Taurus.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your tycoon is Taurus, which is funny since that is kind of the essence of your chart. So that Scorpio south note is sexy, magnetic.
I heard your story about Keanu on your talk that you did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you like my TED talk. Yeah,

Speaker 1 how you just. magnetize.
I don't think I magnetized him. I think I just harassed and

Speaker 1 was very bold about asking for his help. Yeah, that was a great story.
But no, just

Speaker 1 there's that, you know, really that intensity of the Scorpio from the past life. That's so true.
Well, first of all, I'm super intense still, though.

Speaker 1 This is why I don't, this is Scorpio. Yes.
I have a Scorpio, Moon, Mercury, Mars, and Venus. So anyone with Scorpio, I always, I'm like, I love that.
Really?

Speaker 1 I don't understand then how, like, I believe my, I'm probably more Scorpio than I am

Speaker 1 both. We can go all over the map with it, you know? So, how does anyone, how are you able to really like drill in any information on how to be the most productive or how to be the most this or that?

Speaker 1 If you can read a chart and you can have in your chart Scorpio, Virgo, Taurus, because like that could be anything.

Speaker 1 You can, I can see myself with like, I have, I have some of the Scorpio in me, which make would which would tend to make me believe I should go this direction.

Speaker 1 But then I also have a lot of Taurus in me, which would make me think I should go that direction. Well, Well, you actually don't have a lot of, you don't have anything.

Speaker 1 You have your North Note in Taurus is the only Taurus. I just, it the Earth

Speaker 1 fixed Earth sign is Taurus. So that's just like, if we were to put everything together and smush it together, like the core essence, like if we mixed it all up, would be like a Taurus flavor.

Speaker 1 But you're a Virgo, you are a Virgo, but your I am archetype is the authority.

Speaker 1 And that's going to help, like, if you want to be most most productive you should maybe try separating your office from the rest of you know like a simple you don't need a lot of stuff in your line of vision any kind of chaos or mess will throw you off and make it hard for you to work that's true yeah some people mavens can be in a mess i mean my husband's a maven my god it's just like i have to close the door to a couple rooms yeah i can't do that yeah no and how about an innovator innovators just turn everything into an office.

Speaker 1 Like my sister and I, when we're together, it's like ridiculous. Like, let's go to when we went to the butcher's daughter or the Soho hat.
Like, we could not even sit still for long.

Speaker 1 We drove each other crazy. So, yeah.
Are you guys really close? We are, yeah. Because you're twins, right? Like, you feel each other's energy then for real? Oh, definitely.
Really?

Speaker 1 And we have another sister, too, who's an innovator. So, really?

Speaker 1 How old is she? Is she younger or older? She's five years younger, and she is a family constellation therapist. So, we're all like working with this like family constellation.

Speaker 1 It's a, it's

Speaker 1 like an ancestral trauma healing. It's like you kind of, the idea is that different, you carry trauma from generation to generation.

Speaker 1 And you do this work where you kind of, it's almost like a hypnotherapy visualization where you go back and kind of repattern the family conversations and lineage. I know you should talk to her.

Speaker 1 She's really interesting. That's super interesting.
Yeah. Does she have a client list?

Speaker 1 Does she, does she actually get yeah, she works with a lot of different she does, yeah, she works with people, family members come together and they just do this healing together. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 1 It sounds very woo-woo though. It is very woo-woo.
Well, you know, yeah, Mitsu. What I do isn't woo-woo.
No. It's funny.
Well, she's, I'm less woo-woo, even though I've worked in a woo-woo field.

Speaker 1 I'm very practical. You seem very practical.

Speaker 1 So that's interesting. So that's very, she would be very interesting.

Speaker 1 How did you, I mean, but yeah, my sister and I, my twin, Ophie, and I are always like, I mean, not as soon as I leave all college. Like, how was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys are very close. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She was bummed she couldn't be here today. I know.
I'm bummed I couldn't meet her. Okay.
So wait, what are the other things that I, okay, so AI and all that and like chat GPT and all that.

Speaker 1 How does that affect your business now or does it not? You know, I tried to see if chat GPT could write a horoscope for me because I was like, well, that'll make my life easier. That's right.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 But, and, you know, it's getting better at it. I test it periodically, but you have to know what to ask it.
You have to know what to direct it in.

Speaker 1 And even if I'm like, oh, please rewrite this for me, I still have to go in and polish it. So, but I feel like, so

Speaker 1 there's no getting AI is here to stay. My prediction is not shocking at all.
But Aquarius is the zodiac sign that rules technology, rules the future, rules progress. And Pluto is the planet.

Speaker 1 It's still a planet in astrology that is the alchemist. It's the transformer.
Wherever it goes, it takes a very long time. It takes 250 years to go through all the signs.

Speaker 1 So it returned to Aquarius last year in 2023 for the first time since... the 1700s.
And so the last time it was in Aquarius, we got the Constitution.

Speaker 1 we got the French Revolution, the Haitian Revolution. Like,

Speaker 1 we got the U.S. Mint.
And yeah, so

Speaker 1 then now it's back in Aquarius and we have all these disruptions and all these Aquarian, like Pluto is like, it, this is why I can get obsessed.

Speaker 1 You can get obsessed with astrology because you can track these cycles. Like Pluto comes in and it creates this destruction, but then

Speaker 1 it like

Speaker 1 Pluto until last year. We were Pluto last year moved out of Capricorn and into Aquarius.
So it was in. Let me back up.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
Okay. This is so confusing.
These are the so we can also look. The planets are always moving.
So where they are in the sky is also how astrologers make predictions.

Speaker 1 So because Pluto stays in a sign for 15 to 20 years, you can see these cycles. So we were in Pluto up until last year.
We're in Pluto and Pluto is always in a sign.

Speaker 1 Pluto was in Capricorn from 2008 to 2000, and it's finishing it up. It's like this year for a little bit.

Speaker 1 But why that's interesting is because Capricorn is a sign that rules banks, the government, the economy. 2008, we get a black president.
Life, you know, historical, we get.

Speaker 1 the crash and all the bank bailouts. So when Pluto changes signs, it's a big deal.
So Pluto moved into Aquarius. Last year.
Last year for a little bit.

Speaker 1 And then we got the Hollywood writers strike because of AI.

Speaker 1 And like AI is very Aquarian. It's very sci-fi.
So

Speaker 1 also

Speaker 1 just social justice, all the campuses and the protests and what happened, you know, like whatever your feelings are on it. It's just a hallmark of Pluto.

Speaker 1 And Aquarius is very like, ah, all this intense stuff happening with the campus activism. Like, what's, do people know what they're doing here? Do they know what they're talking?

Speaker 1 You know, so Pluto, it really messes stuff up when it changes signs.

Speaker 1 And so, we're in this, like, and so it was in Aquarius and then literally September 1st, it moved back to Capricorn where it will be for the rest of the election.

Speaker 1 So, it's finishing out. We started with Obama.
I don't know who we're going to end with. It's just people are like, who would you predict is going to win? I'm like, I have no freaking idea.

Speaker 1 You don't make predictions. You know, we do, but I can't with this one.
I could not even tell you. Why?

Speaker 1 Because there's so much Aquarius and Capricorn. There's like

Speaker 1 progressive and old guard like are both like this swirl that it's just like, I don't know, I just can't. I'm not picking up anything.
And like this is. What predictions have you made that came true?

Speaker 1 Well, we actually predicted an assassination attempt. Of Donald Trump? We didn't say who, but in our book.
And we predicted a third party candidate disrupting the election. and

Speaker 1 actually predicted in july that rfk would support trump really yeah i have it on my instagram on july 11th so of last year of this year but so it wasn't that shocking but still it was like people were not expecting that so so because he came on board to supporting trump when like just like august 20th yeah like august

Speaker 1 six weeks in advance yeah how did you figure that one out i looked at his chart and i I saw, because he's a Capricorn, I saw Pluto is going to be over his son.

Speaker 1 And I was like, because we're, this is where astrology gets, we can see where the planets are now versus where they are when you were born.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, he's, he's got some things hidden there that he's not, I don't know. It's more of a, he was going to go where the power was or where he felt it was.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, interesting. So do you then believe that he's not as sincere as he claims to be?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think there's, yeah. I mean, I think that nobody really knew what was going on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I was blown away by that.

Speaker 1 You were. Yeah.
Well, just because I'm like, wow, like, this is, he was so anti-right, right? Right. And then all of a sudden, he's like, I'm promoting, like, I'm supporting Trump, huh? I know.

Speaker 1 That was like, it just didn't. It didn't, it was not, it was a disconnect for me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so, as an astral, I mean, you know, without, I'll probably, I've probably already confused the heck out of everyone.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 1 They're probably like, are they on acid? Are they just on like,

Speaker 1 I wish? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Tell me other predictions that you've made that came true.
We actually predicted a black swan event and in 2020. So we write a book every year and with predictions, I predicted the trad wife,

Speaker 1 the trad wife trend. Do you know about that? No.
The traditional, like a couple years ago, there's like this, I am a traditional wife thing going on.

Speaker 1 It's like, it stands for traditional wife, like these younger women who are like, I cook and I clean and I'm the perfect, you know, wifey, 1950s housewife, ballerina farms kind of thing.

Speaker 1 But I, I saw that happening because Jupiter was going into Taurus, which is this very conservative energy. And I was like, is this going to,

Speaker 1 I don't, you, I look back at past historical cycles and you see these patterns. That's what's so crazy.
It's like, what happens repeats itself. That's why I'm like, are we all in a Sims?

Speaker 1 Now I'm going to sound like I'm on acid, but whatever. I'm not.

Speaker 1 But maybe we're just all in a Sims game, you know, here on the planet, you know? So then what happened? That trad's wife became like a whole thing. Yeah.
It was like, I was like shocked.

Speaker 1 It was kind of like this backlashy. Is it like Stepford's wives? A little bit, or just these younger women who are kind of going back to these very like

Speaker 1 traditional housewife values. Is it still happening? It is happening still right now.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you've heard of Nara Smith. She's like, my husband wanted gumballs, so I decided to make them.
You've got to see, these are fascinating. I don't know.
You know, a rabbit hole. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She is a Instagrammer and she's her and her husband were both models. They're in their 20s.
They have like two or three kids.

Speaker 1 Very good-looking couple, but she just like makes the most ridiculous things like. that you could just go to the store and buy, you know? She makes gumballs? She made gumballs.

Speaker 1 She makes these elaborate dishes, but also the most random things really

Speaker 1 yes i know this is like a rabbit hole that i'm like fascinated by so you make you you have a whole thing on predictions then yeah we do do predictions we predicted uh the bieber baby too at the beginning of the year really as well oh we predicted the benefit breakup as well you did yeah it's in my book right here this book yes okay guys the book that she's referring to is not the book i'm holding i know this is this is she has the astrology advantage that's coming that's out with her sister but she also has another book that's called Horoscope 2024.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm working on 2025, getting it off to the printer now. So are you telling me this entire book is all predictions? No, the beginning, yes, it is for each sign.

Speaker 1 It's like the five themes every sign needs to know. for the year.

Speaker 1 By the way, this is like literally the pink elephant, like the red herring. Why? Or not the red, the, when the, you're bearing the lead, I should say.
So why are you not telling me about this book?

Speaker 1 You're pitching and talking about the other book. Well, we should, I'll come back on and talk to you about 2025.
This is interesting. So, okay, so make some predictions that on this, on this podcast.

Speaker 1 We predicted electric cars picking up mid-year too, and the Rivian is doing really well, Solan. We've also got a lot of people.

Speaker 1 I actually heard that the Rivian is in big trouble. Is it? Okay, I thought their stock went way up.

Speaker 1 Can we check? Can we check?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll check right now. I want to know because someone told me that they're not doing so great.
Yeah, I'd like to know. And by the way, I'm not always right.
You're not always.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, thank you for being honest. Just tell.
I mean, I know how the planets and astrology work, but can you tell me? We have free will.

Speaker 1 We don't always, you're not going to just always be an authority. Of course not.
Yeah. So how often are you right? And how often are you wrong? You know,

Speaker 1 I try to stay away from writing too much stuff that's right and wrong and just give people a lot of inspirational content. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 I don't know. I have to think about that, actually.

Speaker 1 So since this is a book on Virgo, wait, hold on a second. Well, it's a book on all the signs.
I know, I know, but I'm saying a book on my, I'm just talking, I'm very narcissistic today. Venus and Leo.

Speaker 1 Now we see it. I was saying like in the Virgos or any, well, can you predict anything for Virgos this year? Absolutely.
Yeah. So Virgos.

Speaker 1 are having a little bit of a challenging year because Saturn is in your opposite sign of Pisces. Saturn is opposite your sun.
So everything just may feel a little bit heavy.

Speaker 1 You may find yourself drawn to being, you know, doing things that are a little more serious than normal and maybe getting pushback from people as a result. Like, interesting.

Speaker 1 It's not really a popularity here. It's a, but I'm, you know, it's like Blake Lively is a Virgo, for example.
And she's getting kind of like. Why is she getting slammed by that?

Speaker 1 I'm still confused by it. What happened with her? Apparently, she has,

Speaker 1 and God knows she's probably done so many more interviews. I don't know her, so I guess I know

Speaker 1 what people are saying. Yeah, she is traditionally like a rude and a bully to reporters who interview her.
Like, she makes inappropriate jokes.

Speaker 1 So, she was in this movie about domestic violence, and people are like, Well, what should people know? And she was like, Grab your girlfriends, wear your florals. Like, and I don't get it.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, grab your girlfriend? Like, she was making it kind of, she was trying to promote her to keep like her drink or drab.

Speaker 1 But it was like a serious subject. Like, reporters were asking her about domestic violence and what she would tell people.
And she said something like, I don't know, like, should I give them my name,

Speaker 1 my address, my location tracker? Like, kind of making these weird. Why would she say that? I don't know.
She does that. She makes like weird jokes.

Speaker 1 And maybe it's a nervous thing, you know, but I saw there's like so much stuff on that. But I couldn't decipher.

Speaker 1 I know, i just had to decipher it the other i was like what the heck is going on i'm confused by i'm still confused so like she got pushed back that people thought that she was rude and just tone deaf to the situation yeah and a reporter said interviewed her when she was like eight months pregnant said congratulations on your little bump and she said to the reporter congratulations on your little bump but she wasn't pregnant So it was like a fat shamie.

Speaker 1 And the reporter wasn't even fat, you know? So she just makes these weird. Maybe she's just quirky and strange.
I think she is, but it doesn't land.

Speaker 1 It doesn't try to be funny, but it just comes across as

Speaker 1 like inappropriate. Yeah.
And then she just like, but she's also, she has been rude. Like after that, she was with Parker Posey and they just talked to each other and ignored the reporter.

Speaker 1 So she's done that a few times too. So I didn't know this.
You know what's so funny about life is that A, I'm living under a rock.

Speaker 1 But besides that, is that it's interesting how no, I never heard any of this stuff. And And now, because one thing went kind of like viral, all of a sudden now she's like the worst human being alive.

Speaker 1 Pluto and Aquarius. Like people can really be destroyed by social media with Pluto and Aquarius.
I think we're going to have to like have a reckoning around that. So right now, so I'm in a year.

Speaker 1 I'm going to make it a little note. You're in a little bit of a tough time with Saturn.
opposite your sun. It's really forcing you to maybe work harder.

Speaker 1 You said you're exhausted, you know, like you're probably more tired.

Speaker 1 Like you don't have the, like you have to work harder to get your energy source up right now yeah and then okay so like so where am i in relate where where's virgo not me whatever virgo in relationships thankfully pluto is ending this like

Speaker 1 16 year tour through your romance house where it's been i feel like things for like Saturn, yeah, relationships have also been a little bit heavy though, because Saturn is in your marriage and partnership house.

Speaker 1 So it's just kind of like needing to make the time and space for relationships, but not totally having the energy or the desire to.

Speaker 1 So if I go into this book right now under Virgo, what would it say about relationships?

Speaker 1 Probably that, that there's,

Speaker 1 I haven't looked at it for a while because I'm working on 2025, but I wrote this in 2023, no problem. If you go to the Virgo party, would it say that we have a hard time?

Speaker 1 Would it say Virgos are having a hard time this year? It would say that relationships might be an area that feels heavy for you it would say i think what did i predict but careers

Speaker 1 now

Speaker 1 there's some good career stuff happening since may

Speaker 1 since may okay so it says top five themes for virgo in 2024 is broaden your reach

Speaker 1 why go pro gopro GoPro, yes.

Speaker 1 GoPro, like, like, GoPro, like, become like a hooker.

Speaker 1 Or GoPro, like, wear a GoPro.

Speaker 1 No, it means Jupiter, the planet of abundance, is at the top of your chart in your career house. So it's like professionalize everything that you do, which you've already done.

Speaker 1 That's actually a very good point. I like that.
Be fluid with relationships. Yes.
You need to.

Speaker 1 So Saturn and Pisces and Neptune, like, yes, like you may not be able to control every aspect of relationships right now. And you have to let yourself flow with it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And maybe some new structures are needed. I love this.
Make green glamorous.

Speaker 1 That is about echo chic, healthy eating, which you do already, but bringing some glam to it, yes. God knows I need that.
Manage your resource, your resources strategically, like that money?

Speaker 1 Yeah, money, investments,

Speaker 1 time and energy too, like your physical resources as well. And what did you say broaden your reach was for?

Speaker 1 That was Jupiter and Uranus were together in your international ninth house in the first part of the year. They made this really rare connection and could have brought some global things.

Speaker 1 Well, of course, we're going to Israel and doing all this work.

Speaker 1 That's actually interesting. Did it start in April? I went to Israel in

Speaker 1 May. Okay, April 20th was this big

Speaker 1 4th. Okay.
Well, right around there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Of course, this global interest is

Speaker 1 your international work is kicking up since then. And it was Jupiter and Uranus are the humanitarians.
So I wonder if this is interesting. Okay.

Speaker 1 So then you're so you make so can you make a prediction? Forget about me. I mean, I mean, I'll ask you when we off this computer, off this podcast, but can you make any predictions?

Speaker 1 now that you haven't made before. I want something fresh that I can share

Speaker 1 and think about that. I was, you know, I've been thinking about that.

Speaker 1 Next year is really interesting because the outer planets, which don't change signs very often, like it can be like seven to 20 years sometimes.

Speaker 1 All of them are moving forward one sign for a little bit of time and then moving back.

Speaker 1 So next year is like this.

Speaker 1 you know, like, I feel it's going to be a very disorienting year for us

Speaker 1 where we're like,

Speaker 1 I think we're going to have some event that occurs that really forces us to get serious about climate change, like climate act, like working together, like as

Speaker 1 a human race in the middle of the year. Sometime between

Speaker 1 April and October, like the middle of the year. There's like this really like,

Speaker 1 yeah, really.

Speaker 1 Could be more specific.

Speaker 1 it could be

Speaker 1 it could be another hurricane katrina type thing it could even be a nuclear event it could be something like shockingly getting washed away or you know like

Speaker 1 like a big not a weather thing but like a big world yeah like

Speaker 1 what would you call that i mean not not necessarily a pandemic again but like a cataclysmic kind of event of sorts. I don't mean to be apocalyptic, but it could also be like between April and

Speaker 1 or it could just be this disruptive technology that comes in even beyond AI that just, you know, let me actually reframe it in a positive way.

Speaker 1 There could be some groundbreaking technology that comes in that helps us reverse some of the impacts of climate change. I think we're going to see a lot of incredible innovations.

Speaker 1 And next year could bring one that just like completely changes the way we do things, the way the internet did.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Okay.
Can you be more specific with something else? Like, I want something much more

Speaker 1 specific.

Speaker 1 I don't like

Speaker 1 hairy stuff. I'd like to know.
I want hard dead. You're putting me on the spot here.
Yes, that's what we do around here. Okay.
And I'm looking here.

Speaker 1 Let me think about that for a minute. It's funny.
I'm, it's literally, this is the time of year that I'm going to be doing that. So,

Speaker 1 yes, cloning next year is going to be a thing. We're going to see a weird, intense developments around cloning, whether it's AI cloning or actual cloning.
Yes. Cloning of people?

Speaker 1 Could be cloning of people. We may figure out how to do that.
Uranus, the sci-fi planet, is moving into Gemini for the first time since 1941 to 49.

Speaker 1 And we're at a point with, you know, Gemini is the sign of the twins. So we're not, it's going to be interesting.
I might not be the only twin in town.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, is there going to be another Jennifer? I already have a clone. It's not so bad, actually.

Speaker 1 It's kind of handy. They can write for you.
I was going to say it can be very beneficial in a lot of ways. Let me think if there's any.
Let me think about other stuff. Well, there will.

Speaker 1 I think that, unfortunately, there's going to be more war next year, too. Let me think of some good news stuff, but it's a funny thing.
No, I want the truth. Oh, I have a prediction for next year.

Speaker 1 Okay. And I know I heard Jerome Powell say that the interest rates are going to go down, but on June 9th next year, Jupiter, which is abundance and luck, is going to cancer.

Speaker 1 That rules residential real estate. So I think we're going to see things opening up in the residential real estate market again.
Opening up in how?

Speaker 1 More people being able to afford housing, more,

Speaker 1 you know, a lot of boomers aren't selling their houses, you know, there's like

Speaker 1 a limit on like there's not as much um inventory available. So I think we may see some, I don't know, just people wanting to sell and especially when interest rates go down.

Speaker 1 So you're saying that the housing market will open up in when?

Speaker 1 After June of next year, middle of the year, second half of the year. If you want to, and it does, it does dovetail with when interest rates are going down.

Speaker 1 So you're saying interest rates will go down then too? I do. Yes, I do think so.
But that's also what Jerome Powell did say that. So he said second half of the year.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, how interesting.

Speaker 1 And so if someone wants to buy a Rivian, would you suggest they buy a Rivian if the stock is going up? Even though I don't think it is. I would just, I would at least

Speaker 1 or I would just buy stock in it while it's low right now. It might go up.
Have you bought stock in it? I haven't, but a friend of mine did.

Speaker 1 And after my prediction, she said it went up, but I guess it's gone down now. So this is so interesting.
Well, maybe you'll just come back and tell me about your 2025 stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll have a whole trend report written. Oh, perfect.
Okay. Well, guys, her book with her twin is called The Astrology Advantage, and they are the Astro Twins.
And this is Tally.

Speaker 1 And her other book is called The Astrology Guide to 2024. She's now writing her 2025.
Yep, the Astro Twins 2024 Horoscope. Yep.
Yes, you heard it here first. And you can also follow them on Instagram.

Speaker 1 What's your Instagram? At Astro Twins. Yes.
I love that. Okay.
Thank you so much for being on the podcast. That's so fun.
I also do readings. You do? You can book a reading from Instagram.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Amazing. Guys, someone wants their whole chart done.
We can go through it just like we did for you. I know.

Speaker 1 We haven't even finished it, by the way, but I don't want to bore everyone with all the details here. But thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
Oh, it was so fun. So fun.

Speaker 1 You're so good to meet you. Bye.