Episode 504: Shaun T.: Motivation, Confidence, and the Power of Fun in Fitness

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Speaker 1 When people

Speaker 1 find a way to stay motivated, they find a way to stay motivated by having fun and not being overwhelmed or intimidated. And that's what I agree.

Speaker 1 That's why people don't, that's why the people who don't go to the gym don't go to the gym. Well, I'm not fit enough yet to go to the gym.
I'm too big. I'm for a lot of women.

Speaker 1 It's, you know, I need to lose weight. For a lot of men, it's just like, well, I'm going to be intimidated by the guys.

Speaker 2 Exactly. It's insecurity.
You don't feel confident in that way.

Speaker 2 Did you play tennis?

Speaker 2 Oh, God. Don't you tell me.
Are we recording?

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, I play tennis. I I started playing tennis a little over 11 years ago.
I crashed my husband and his mom and dad's vacation two months after I met him

Speaker 1 to Australia. I had no idea about tennis.
I played football, track and field, and basketball. Like they were my sports.

Speaker 1 And when I got down there, they were like, oh, we're going to go to the Australian Open. And I remember sitting in the Weston Hotel in Melbourne and I was like, I have no idea what I'm about to watch.

Speaker 1 I didn't know how to score tennis.

Speaker 1 They go from 15 to 30 to 40, love you know advantage this and all this stuff and i remember going to the match and i saw the guys playing and i was like this is so like

Speaker 1 like i would be a professional tennis player like i was talking all kinds of trash right and i got and then so for

Speaker 1 valentine's day 2011 scott bought me a tennis lesson at the National Tennis Center in Queens, New York. I got the first ball over.
I thought I was a shit. And I think I hit every other ball

Speaker 1 over the curtains and everything. And so I, for the last 11 years, have been

Speaker 1 like obsessed with tennis. That's my, I use, I did use it as my cardio for a while because I just got sick of doing fitness, you know?

Speaker 2 So I totally understand that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I got sick of doing fitness. Anyway,

Speaker 1 from that,

Speaker 1 Scott told me he gets so mad when I tell this story, but he was like, you'll never be able to hit like a professional tennis player. And I'm like, do you know who the fuck I am?

Speaker 1 Like, what do you mean? And I really like, I was mad at him for it. I held a grudge for like a few years after him saying that.
And so two things happened. One, we met Serena.

Speaker 1 I got to play against Serena.

Speaker 1 You know, we played doubles. My team, me and my partner beat Serena.
No way.

Speaker 1 And she was so mad. Like when we were playing, she's so competitive in a good way.
She was bombing these balls at me.

Speaker 1 And she was just like, there were a couple of them i was like holy shit like if i was playing her one-on-one she would whoop my ass

Speaker 1 but anyway so i would play and then

Speaker 2 like maybe a year and a half ago i remember scott saying to me like i just want to let you know i think you can beat me in tennis now but i'll never admit that in public and i remember oh my well i feel like anything you do though you become good at just from the podcast we did at on your podcast like you have a lot of like like hidden talents that people either don't know about or you just don't talk about.

Speaker 2 Or is that true? Like, are you the kind of person that if you put your mind to it, you can become good

Speaker 2 exceptional, I should say, at a lot of things.

Speaker 1 I think that I am a life's decathlete. Meaning, you know, if I went to the Olympics, the only thing I could probably, the only thing I would win a gold medal in if it were an Olympic sport would be.

Speaker 1 fitness. Like if it was like, you have to like do a live class.
Like I feel like that's the thing I excel at the most, right?

Speaker 1 Like, I would be on this, I would be on the metal stand, you know, first, second, and third, you know, probably gold, but I'm down to lose to really good people. But, um,

Speaker 1 but, so, but for me, it's about the trying. Like, if, if I find that I'm capable of doing something, if my mind tells me I can do it, I can do it.
I can sing.

Speaker 1 I'm not the best singer in the world, but I can definitely be the lead in a Broadway show, which I really want to be the lead in Kinky Boots. It just came out.
I want to be Lola so fucking bad.

Speaker 1 But anyway.

Speaker 2 Can you really sing that well?

Speaker 1 But I can sing really good. I'm not Mariah Carey or

Speaker 1 Craig David or any, you know, Brian McKnight. And I can definitely, I can sing.
I can dance really well as a professional dancer. I, you know, so I do a lot of things really, really well.

Speaker 1 But the secret is if I don't do it well, you're not going to see me doing it. Yeah.
Yeah. So just, I mean, there are things that I'm not really great at, you know?

Speaker 2 Like what?

Speaker 1 Maybe one thing that you've tried at, tried and that you aren't great at writing a book was really tough for me because i'm not a good writer i'm a good i express really well my voice so like even when i write posts you know chip will look at my post chip is my everything in my business i should say but chip will look at my post and be like yeah you made some errors like grammatical errors and like i don't know

Speaker 1 they're sometimes grammatical or you know but i'm i'm very i don't think i'm adhd because i i know my friend shaleen johnson talks about that all the time, but I'm definitely, I'm just, I'm not good at organizing my life necessarily.

Speaker 1 That's why I have really good people around me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's a, that's a true statement for a lot of people who are extraordinary at a high level at certain things. Yeah.
So that's not that, that's not that.

Speaker 1 unique. Right.
It's not that abnormal. You see, but you know, I, in therapy, because I'm going to therapy.
I know. And my therapist, you know, he calls it a high achiever.

Speaker 1 Cause I was just like, you know, one time I was telling him, to your point about the question of like, you're good at a lot of things.

Speaker 1 I have this thing in my head where if I'm not doing anything, I think I'm lazy. And he said, a lot of high achievers have that

Speaker 1 mindset. And so,

Speaker 1 yeah, so I mean, you know, if there's a lot going on in this brain, most of what comes out now is the messiness and always the real. But before it was just, it was really tough, you know.

Speaker 1 And I wasn't at this level of like confidence and belief in myself always, you know, now being 44, it's just a different story.

Speaker 2 When did it start? Like, what was like, so walk me through this, right? So, how did you even become the Shanti that we know from Insanity and from all the mega programs?

Speaker 2 Like becoming that, like, were you naturally very, very talented with like, even talking to a camera, people don't even know how difficult that is to be on cue and to be doing that and to be engaging while also doing the moves.

Speaker 2 Like, did you audition for it?

Speaker 1 Like, what was the evolution? first of all can i just tell you i love you like i know we just met but i love you too

Speaker 1 great talking to you like it's amazing that is so nice i feel the same way towards you it's so true it's so true like i just ugh like you're wonderful oh you're wonderful too thank you

Speaker 1 we're fearfully and wonderfully made i just wish most people would like actually believe that they're wonderful but that's whole not that's a whole other podcast actually i do like the fact that you asked me like how did you become Sean T from what people already knew?

Speaker 1 Cause most people ask the question like, how did it happen? Yeah. But I love how you asked like the evolution, because we know what we see on TV.
Right.

Speaker 1 And when you see actors and you see people that are, you know, on TV or, you know, somewhat famous, if you have whatever.

Speaker 2 No, but you are in the fitness space. Like there's not.
There's like very few names that are household names, right? Very few. You could be a really successful fitness person, but like

Speaker 2 there's like a handful. And you are one of of those people.

Speaker 2 Like, probably my, maybe not my mom because she's 80, but most other people, if you say Sean T, people automatically, oh yeah, insanity, beach body, oh yeah, that guy, hip-hop abs.

Speaker 2 Like you've been like kind of part of the DNA and the fitness space for so many years that people at some level will know who you are.

Speaker 1 It's funny you say so many years because somebody said to me the other day, they were like, Yeah, I've been doing your tapes since 2001. And I'm like, No, you haven't because I was still in college.

Speaker 1 But to answer your question, which is a really good question, I'll tell you a really interesting story. So I used to teach at Equinox in West Hollywood when I first moved to Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 Was that your, really? So, yeah, I used to teach there and people used to wait like an hour for my class. And it was always packed, especially my Saturday class.
And it was a dance class.

Speaker 1 I taught 10 classes a week or 12. And there were all kinds of fitness classes from Bosu to Bosu Step to, you know,

Speaker 1 camp, everything. But my most popular class is my hip-hop dance class.

Speaker 1 and so people wait and so there was a producer that worked at beach body that came to my class two of them would like she would always look from outside the window of my class when they came in anyway she got in touch with a trainer who then reached out to me and said hey this woman wants to meet you her name is lara ross who's one of my great friends to this day but they they had me come in and audition and i remember the um the director andrea ambandos who i love to death she said now i just want to let you know you have to be yourself when the camera comes on.

Speaker 1 And she used her hand. She was like, So, this is the camera, and you have to, you know, try not to act like anything else.
And in my head, I'm like,

Speaker 1 who the fuck I am? Like, and if you're, she and my relationship are very that, like, you know, I mean, she's very tough, actually. She's super tough, but I'm literally her favorite.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course you are. Yeah, I know that sounds really no way, but I am.

Speaker 1 And she's like, she's just wonderful. But

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 I just remember, I was like, okay. And in my head, I'm like, I've literally taught on every continent almost in different languages.
Like, you know, this isn't my first rodeo.

Speaker 1 I'm saying that in your head, yeah. And literally that day, I taught about like maybe 15 minutes like for them.
And I walked out of Beach Body with my contract that day. Like there was no like, wait.

Speaker 1 There was no like, are you serious? Yeah.

Speaker 2 They gave it to you on the spot.

Speaker 1 They walked me to the lawyer's office.

Speaker 2 What did you do in that audition?

Speaker 1 so funny story is I called all my dancer friends to my

Speaker 1 house. So, I was renting a room out of a really good friend of mine's house.
And so, I called them over. It was like six of them.
And I was like, hey, meet me at my garage at like nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 And they all came to the garage. And I pulled the sliding glass mirrors from my closet in my bedroom and took them downstairs.
And I put them in

Speaker 1 the garage. And I made up a routine of like what we were going to do at this audition.

Speaker 1 And I walked in there and that's what I did. I just taught a dance and they were just really

Speaker 1 impressed with my cueing. They were just like, wow, like you cue really well.
Like for like if I'm doing a move that goes boom, boom, pop, I go go up, down, out, take it down, flip around, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 Cause like my thing is I want people to know what I'm doing before I do it. But that also,

Speaker 1 you know, I also put my personality into it. So exactly.

Speaker 2 It was exactly what I guess Beach Body needed at at the time so well you had two things a group x like teaching an actual class day in day out that many gave you the it gave you the skill set so you that's you knew what you were doing because queuing is super difficult people don't realize that and because of the choreography stuff like you already like you were already a professional by the time you got to to that place yeah i mean i was a professional dancer yeah like i and you know but the queuing the choreography like being on beat was oh you are the choreography and i had taught I had taught, you know, how they say it takes 10,000 hours to be.

Speaker 1 I had taught probably,

Speaker 1 I mean, I started teaching when I was 20, almost 21. And I taught, like, I remember teaching 25, 30 classes a week just in college.

Speaker 1 So by the time I left college and then like traveled around the world, I mean, I had, I've been, I just was all over the place, you know.

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Speaker 2 Okay, so at that time, it's obviously different what it is now with fitness influencers and all that. But were you considered a fitness like because you had that Equinox class?

Speaker 2 Were you like a Nike trainer and all those other kind of fitness influency things before social media at that point?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so funny when people come up to me, they're like, Oh my god, you're like a social media influencer, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, no, I'm not. Exactly, I'm not.

Speaker 1 But, um, yeah, like fitness back then was very different.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure, you know, there were all the conventions and like people don't even know names like Calvin Wiley, Patrick Godot, Tony Stone, Angie Bunch, Patricia Miranda, rest in peace.

Speaker 1 You know, there's so many of these incredible

Speaker 1 people that I

Speaker 1 learned under that taught queuing, that was able to build a class. Every class was an experience.
And so, from that, then I had to work my way up to be able to teach at one of these conventions.

Speaker 1 And then, and I, so I taught at those conventions for a while. And one day I was, I would, I would teach, and I would still take like six classes a day.
And one day I was in the back row of a class.

Speaker 1 I was just like, because I like to support people. And I always was like, I'm going to soak up anything that they do.
Totally. And I was in the back of the class.

Speaker 1 And it was a guy from Turkey that was just like, hey, you want to come to Turkey and help me open up a gym and like create, you know, this like fitness program and personal training and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 So he did all this stuff. And it was just like, I went to Istanbul and I, you know, I was like, where am I? I don't speak this language, but the guys are hot and I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 That's it. He knows on my mind and my twin.
100%. No shade.
No, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 So then did you come up with hip? Was your first program hip-hop abs, though?

Speaker 1 Yes, my first program was hip-hop abs.

Speaker 2 Did you do it or did they give it to you? Or how does it work? Like, what's the, like, give me the skinny, you know, excuse the pun on like what happens inside. So you get the job, then what happens?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So get the job.
And it literally is, we go into a boardroom with the producers, with Carl Dyklo, who's the CEO.

Speaker 1 And then we just kind of ideate on what it is that we want to do. At least that's how every experience of mine has been.

Speaker 1 So they knew that they had just come out with P90X was before Insanity.

Speaker 1 And then the most amazing Shalene Johnson had just come out with Turbo Jam. I remember that too.
Right. So, so she had come out with Turbo Jam.
And so

Speaker 1 really, so what happened was they were just like, we want Turbo Jam did so good. It was like rhythmic.

Speaker 1 It was kind of like, I don't want to say it's like Tybo, but it was like the rhythmic boxing for people who don't really understand it.

Speaker 1 And then, so they wanted something that was like, they felt like movement was really good. So, and I was really popular for dance.
Right. And so we that's what you're known for.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the way we came up with hip-hop abs was, I'm actually going to shout out these people, these two women, their names are Gillian and T. They had Yoga Booty Ballet.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you remember that. Of course they do.
Yes. But they had one workout in Yoga Booty Ballet called Hip Hop Abs.
Oh, they do.

Speaker 1 It was just like one little, it was just like where we would do like buns and butt or whatever, buns and thighs. It was hip-hop abs.

Speaker 1 But anyway, the way we came out with hip-hop abs was actually really cool because I was a hip-hop dancer. Yeah.
And one day we were just ideating on choreography in this room.

Speaker 1 And so I took off my shirt. And

Speaker 1 they were like, oh my gosh, you have like really great abs. And I was like, thank you.

Speaker 1 So I was like, I don't know who said it, but they were like, oh my gosh, like, what do we focus like did an ad program? And so I breathed in and I made my belly really big.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you know, all you got to do is tilt, tuck, and tighten.

Speaker 1 And it went from my abs. And they were like,

Speaker 1 holy shit. And because they were like, what do you do for abs? And I was like, I don't do abs.
Like at the time, I did not get down on the floor. I literally danced.

Speaker 1 And they were like, well, show us how you move. I was like, well, in hip-hop, you know, you got to stay low.
You got to keep your core tight, you know, all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And so that's how we came up with hip-hop abs. It went from like hip-hop abs to like hot hip abs.
It was like all these things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah we're like okay we have to use this name because hip hop abs is great so then that's how we came up with it with hip hop abs and were you like was everyone shocked at the popularity of the like how much how it became like massive yeah it was a phenomenon at the time it was huge um i think what was really great about it it was you know it was just like all the ingredients of a of a great fitness program came into one.

Speaker 1 And this is going to sound really funny, but you have dance, you have

Speaker 1 impact and you have a gay black man i know that sounds really really crazy and i could say it because i'm black right right right but like you know i i believe people are probably gonna roll their eyes at this but i just believe that gay black men and fitness is like is not intimidating because some people can be intimidated by really

Speaker 1 you know super ripped other women women for sure or like beefy guys kind of like i am now you're super beefy now um but you were back then i wasn't back then who's the who's the kid out there there?

Speaker 1 Is that your son?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. He's so cute.

Speaker 1 That's Dylan.

Speaker 2 He's probably like, well, he's probably, he's used to me.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. He has great hair.
Sorry. Thank you.
I love that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's delicious.

Speaker 2 So I don't know what I was like looking at him, but so what was he saying about your hipbook? You were telling me,

Speaker 2 not Dylan. No, I was going to say something about the hip hop.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 People, and I don't know if this is like politically incorrect also, but the gay

Speaker 2 teachers always like who are at the clubs are always the most popular. Like women flock to these classes.

Speaker 2 And if you're like a pretty girl or like it's, it could be intimidating.

Speaker 2 Like they like the personality that comes with it.

Speaker 1 I think that if I can like, if I can just even take sexuality out of it for a second, I think what happens is, you know, gay people in general, like we live a life of being suppressed for mostly a quarter or more of our lives.

Speaker 1 You know, I didn't come out till I was 21. Most people don't come out till they're 18.
You know, so you have these people who are suppressed for the youngest years of their lives.

Speaker 1 And so now you take somebody who actually loves fitness, who loves to dance, who wants to be expressive, and you put them in front of a room. And it's not intimidating.

Speaker 1 And people are having a good ass time. Totally.
People do not care about.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say they don't care about fitness. Yes, people want to lose weight.
They want to, but

Speaker 1 when they, when people find a way to stay motivated, they find find a way to stay motivated by having fun and not being overwhelmed or intimidated. And that's what I agree.

Speaker 1 That's why people don't, that's why the people who don't go to the gym don't go to the gym. Well, I'm not fit enough yet to go to the gym.
I'm too big.

Speaker 1 For a lot of women, it's, you know, I need to lose weight. For a lot of men, it's just like, well, I'm going to be intimidated by the guys with money.

Speaker 2 It's insecurity. You don't feel confident in that way.

Speaker 1 So you have, you know, you have a gay black man

Speaker 1 or a chip because chip is a really good gay teacher.

Speaker 2 Oh, you are too.

Speaker 1 He's not a gay teacher, but he's a fitness instructor.

Speaker 2 Are you? Where do you teach? Equinox too?

Speaker 1 He used to.

Speaker 1 I'm on a little pause right now.

Speaker 2 You are on a little pause right now with the schedule, but yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was teaching even while working with us for Transform 20 when it had a certification program, but he doesn't know. He's my favorite instructor.
But

Speaker 1 anyway, so

Speaker 1 not anyway.

Speaker 1 So just like when you have like a gay guy teaching, it's just not intimidating, especially for like being in public, you're going into a room.

Speaker 1 And I really believe like no one talks about that, but I'm like, it's very, very, very true.

Speaker 1 If you go to fitness conventions, like the gay guys are like, they have like these really popular, super fun classes.

Speaker 2 They also have a cult following.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They have a cult following because they make it fun. I think at the end of the day, no matter what, people want to feel inspired and they want to have fun.

Speaker 2 They don't want to feel like it's like a chore to do it. But you said something that was interesting.
So when you were 21, you came out, but

Speaker 1 so how old were you when you did insanity what was i was that was 2009 so oh so 31 i was i was

Speaker 1 born in 1978 so was that 31 almost 31 i was 30.

Speaker 2 so you were okay so i i remember now i don't know why i remember when when people said to me oh sean key sean t came out but that was like already this was like back when like we were like this was like in 2005 it was no were you keeping it a secret It was 2012.

Speaker 1 Do you remember?

Speaker 2 Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 I do. And it's really funny because I was never in that house.
In public. That's what I was doing.

Speaker 1 I'm like, have you done hip-hop abs? I'm literally like, I don't got no hair.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like,

Speaker 1 I was never in in my public, in my

Speaker 1 professional life. I was never in the class.
I came out at 21 to everybody.

Speaker 2 So why do people think that?

Speaker 1 I'll tell you why. Okay.
So one, because you have hip-hop abs where I'm like cutting cutting up and rocking body. They were my first two programs where they were dance programs.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm acting like I'm at the motherfucking club. You know, I'm having a good ass time.
Right. But then Insanity comes out, and it is,

Speaker 1 there's no time in

Speaker 1 a program where it wasn't live at the time. Like, if it was, if Insanity was a live class, I would have been acting crazy because I'm like, cool.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it's a packaged program where people have to come and have to redo the workouts. So I don't tell jokes.
I'm just like, boom, like we're going to hit working.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And I took on when I created insanity because I wanted people to feel how I felt at the end of a track practice, which is terrible. And so I feel good at the end, but it's terrible.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, this is

Speaker 1 like, I need people to feel this way. So they saw Sean T from Insanity, Sean T from T25, Asylum, like these programs that are

Speaker 1 hardcore. So then when my husband and I get married and my assistant at the time tweets, oh my gosh, she put something like, I'm so happy to celebrate this love.
Everyone, like, the blogs went crazy.

Speaker 1 And I'm like,

Speaker 1 who was in?

Speaker 2 Oh, right. So everyone just assumed that you were

Speaker 2 coming out, but you were, but it was just because it just never gave the opportunity.

Speaker 1 I'm like, thanks, girl. You know, I was fine.
Right.

Speaker 2 And I, because I totally remember that. And I'm like, what?

Speaker 2 Because I wasn't like keeping tabs completely, but I do remember that, that like in the atmosphere of like a beach body that you came out, yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was like, just, but can we talk about that for a second? Like, why do people even have to come out?

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 I, I mean, listen, that's a whole other thing. Like, I don't remember, I remember thinking, like, I wasn't even thinking if he was in or out or where you were.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm like, oh, I like his workouts. You know, I wasn't paying attention to that.

Speaker 2 But I guess because the conversation wasn't what it was today. Like, back then, people were much more,

Speaker 2 well, people are, people were afraid of cancel culture today for different reasons. Right.
But back then, the cancel culture was much more.

Speaker 2 There's a stigma, I guess, for whatever reason back then about that, or people thought there would be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I literally never gave.

Speaker 2 I know you, I can tell knowing you now, like that would, I can't even imagine people thinking that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so funny.