Episode 398: Liron Kayvan: What Fitness Trends Aren’t Telling You About Getting in Shape

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With that all being said, let's talk today about viral fitness trends.

Speaker 2 I love this topic. Okay, I want to start by saying the funniest thing.
Someone sent me, speaking of sharing, someone sent me the funniest, funniest reel I've seen in a long time.

Speaker 2 It was literally a reel of a guy making fun of middle-aged women who basically will do everything, every type of workout, quote unquote, except an actual workout, right?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, so instead of just doing like weights and some cardio, they're doing all sorts of crazy whackadoo things, like trying to run up a tree and then run down.

Speaker 1 It's 100% true.

Speaker 2 Well, that's why it was so funny. It was because it was so true.

Speaker 2 Like everybody, like all my friends, we basically, middle-aged women, they're going by the droves to try all these wackadoo classes and just to do anything other than the things that will be the most effective.

Speaker 2 Like nobody wants to listen to what actually works, which is heavy weights and some cardio. Instead, they literally will go and like will

Speaker 2 like go on a swing set and like just, you know, basically with your stomach and like

Speaker 1 there's always a swing set in this.

Speaker 2 There's always a trampoline, a swing. And by the way, I'm a victim of this too.
I have my trampolines and da, da, and there's a place for all of it.

Speaker 1 You're talking about like trendiness and stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm talking about trends. Like they'll see something on TikTok or they'll see something on Instagram that looks like the new workout of the month or the day.

Speaker 2 And then they'll go and do it versus doing what's actually the most effective, which is weights. Let's say,

Speaker 2 and I also think running, if you're going to do a cardio workout, I think running is really effective.

Speaker 2 I also think inclined walking with a vest, like a weighted vest or with hand weights, the most effective. And besides those two things for cardio, obviously I love walking.

Speaker 2 Walking is like an incline walk. You know, those are to me the most effective and the most, the most easy to do.
But people are like, will do anything but the things that work.

Speaker 1 Rucking, you know what rocking is?

Speaker 2 Of course. Rucking is wearing a weighted vest.
Or your baby, like I do. Oh, you wear a baby.
That's basically a weighted vest. Yeah.
So that's what I find really funny.

Speaker 2 So let's talk about these viral fitness trends. So the one that's really popular right now is this 12% incline with 3%.

Speaker 2 You're going 12% on an incline at a 3.0 speed

Speaker 2 for 30 minutes.

Speaker 2 Because some girl on TikTok.

Speaker 1 Bodybuilders have been doing that since the 60s.

Speaker 2 100%. But some chick on TikTok did it, and now it's called the 1233 workout.

Speaker 2 It's got a name, yeah, and everybody's doing it. It's like the thing to do, fantastic.
And no, the 12330, I think it's called, or the 1233.

Speaker 2 I don't know what it's called, but it's basically 30 minutes at three miles an hour at 12% incline, and it's all the rage, which is, by the way, what I've been doing since I was like 17 years old.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is

Speaker 1 this is not new stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not new but this is what everything kind of recycles itself it's like everything is cyclical right like people are acting like they've never heard of such a crazy thing before which was like it was like old school and i bet most of them are holding on the whole time so it's basically just they probably are i don't know i haven't seen it but i will say that you know with anything let me just say this i want to make sure this is caveat that i'm saying that no matter what workout you do if you're doing an incline walk not an incline walk whatever any movement is better than zero movement okay but i want this caveat to be very, very important right now: the fact that no matter what you do, no matter how effective it is, you will plateau if you don't change it up.

Speaker 2 So don't always do 12% at a three-mile at 30 minutes. Maybe do 15 at like 2.6,

Speaker 2 or maybe do a 10 at 4.0.

Speaker 2 The more you change it up, the less your muscles will get kind of acclimated and you'll constantly see or limit your plateau basically limit the limit the plateauing situation i think in general aside from just changing it you want to constantly kind of progress like you want to make it slightly harder every time that's so true not every time like what i would say is i wouldn't do

Speaker 2 over time though over time in the long term you should be seeing at least some gradual increase like but a lot of times like for me walking is my gateway drug to doing a more intense exercise so you use it as a warm-up i use it more than just a warm-up so like i'm much more of a cardio junkie than i am of a weight junkie so for me to actually get the pump and the energy to actually do weightlifting i have to do my cardio first because then it's like the gateway like i'm sweaty already i'm already like in the workout mode how long do you do it for well let me tell you i'm already in the workout mode so then for me to go into like to weight is much more of an easy place to go versus me having to like just go right into like a heavy weighted extra like heavy weights because I will procrastinate and I will think of everything that I have to do besides that but just starting to walk is so much easier than thinking to yourself oh yeah I got to go do like really heavy squats yeah so if I just do some cardio it could be like 20 minutes it like really really helps me go into the next thing so did I answer your question did you said how long do you go

Speaker 1 It sounds like it's kind of ritualistic for you. It's a ritual.
It's now associative. It's now like, okay, your body is basically getting the message.
Okay, now we're working out. It's a habit.

Speaker 1 Leave all your other stresses and concerns at the door.

Speaker 2 It's workout. It's a habit.
And by the way, I don't care how many people tell me that cardio sucks. I shouldn't be doing cardio.
I should only be doing weight.

Speaker 2 Because for me, if I don't do that cardio, my brain will be a mess. I'll have higher anxiety.

Speaker 2 I will start to get depressed. I will not be as happy.
My mood will really, really be, you know, down the tubes.

Speaker 2 So for me, my cardio and a lot of people's cardio is more for their brain health and their mental health than it is for their physical health. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 And like I said, it's a gateway drug for me to actually now feel energized and feel like I can like conquer the world to go and like crush those weights, which is really what I know, what we should be doing as we age.

Speaker 2 As you get into middle age, that to me is fundamental. You need to do heavy weights.

Speaker 1 weights yeah so no matter what the fitness trend is no matter what your friend molly is telling you to do you must must must do heavy weights a lot of that i think is also social conditioning i think it's that we think of weightlifting as a young man's game so elderly shouldn't be doing it which is the complete opposite of the truth and women shouldn't be doing it and i think even though logically i think we're starting to understand that that's not true that women should be lifting weights that older people should be lifting weights there's so much social conditioning that i think women feel like it's not feminine so they do the feminine thing and those things are in our society these silly yeah these silly not to say they're silly i actually again i have a whole podcast on this but like you should

Speaker 1 so you should be doing fun dynamic novel things because your body loves that it's play What you're doing is you're play.

Speaker 2 And you're mixing workout with play.

Speaker 2 I think not only you're mixing workout with play, you're also, it's great for your brain to be doing things that you alter, you wouldn't be doing regularly.

Speaker 2 Like it's good for your, your mental conditioning.

Speaker 2 You know, so to me, that's why any movement is good movement. I don't care how kooky or wacky it is, but this is the caveat I was trying to say earlier.

Speaker 2 But if you're trying to change your body composition and if you're trying to build lean muscle mass, you must do weights.

Speaker 2 You're not going to get that by jumping on a trampoline and doing wackadoo exercise classes that require, that are basically you moving in weird ways or like, or just doing whatever's trendy.

Speaker 2 Like it does come down to old school, foundational, fundamental shit that actually moves the needle. I don't care what anybody says.

Speaker 2 If you want to have fun and you just want to move your body because it's great for your overall. you know, well-being, marvelous.

Speaker 2 If you want to change your body composition and you want to actually like change how you, you know, how your genes fit, there's nothing that beats heavyweight and cardio for me, anyway.

Speaker 1 Do you have an RX? Like, do you have a prescription for people?

Speaker 2 Yeah, my prescription is cardio and heavy weights.

Speaker 1 But how many times a week,

Speaker 2 my prescription for people to get a kick-ass body in middle age, especially is I would do heavy weights three times a week.

Speaker 2 I would do one day a week of like light to moderate. So then you're doing four days at minimum weights.
I would also do some form of cardio every day for at least 30 minutes. That could be walking.

Speaker 2 That could be what I prefer though is inclined walking or jogging. I wouldn't do too much of the running because it's bad for your knees.
It could be bad for your joints.

Speaker 2 And too much running, quite frankly, can make you look flabby. I'm just being honest.
That's why bodybuilders are always doing those inclined walks.

Speaker 2 Right. And people who are like in competitions, they're not running because you look, you look skinny fat, right? If you do too much of it.

Speaker 2 Endurance runners look skinny fat, or they just look like they don't look like the body, the ideal body that people are trying to go for.

Speaker 2 Do you want to have that body that everybody is ideally trying to get, which is like really toned, looking athletic?

Speaker 2 I would say those incline walks with the weighted vest or the hand weights every single day for a minimum of 30 minutes, plus four days a week of weightlifting

Speaker 2 and eating enough protein because a lot of your body is made in the kitchen it's not made at the gym it's not i can work out all day and if i'm not eating like on point or eating enough protein and i'm not like keeping my eye on the prize i for some reason people really seem to i think most people that i know seem to be able to do the workout part there's rare rare people where there's opposite but most people seem to be able to do the workout part but they just cannot get the nutrition part together and i don't know why i totally agree i think that's my problem i think I'm already disciplined enough to work out like I work out like a fiend because I'm so now conditioned to work out like a fiend.

Speaker 2 Like I was saying earlier, it's become habitual. It's becomes my ritual.
So my brain is intact because working out for me really helps me mentally.

Speaker 2 However, where I always slip up, and just because I'm a fitness person, blah, blah, blah, people don't think it's true is my nutrition. Because what's a slip up? I'm going to tell you right now.

Speaker 1 What's the devil to use? It's going to be different than a lot of other people.

Speaker 2 No, but I'll tell you something. I'm obsessed with food.
I love food. I love talking about food.
I love eating food.

Speaker 2 I love going to the grocery store so I can look at food. I just love food.
Like an outing for me is to go to Costco and look around for an hour and I'm in heaven. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, think about it, though. It is literally your primary drive in life.
Like a child's first drive after they breathe is to eat. That's what they want more than anything else.

Speaker 1 So it's so deep in our DNA, that drive for food, that if you don't, if you're not a foodie on some level, if you don't love food, there's something wrong with you.

Speaker 2 Okay, I totally agree. But there are those people out there, and I don't know, God bless them, where they don't live to eat.
They eat to live and they just don't care about food.

Speaker 2 Like my daughter, she could care less about food. She'll be like, ah, eat alone.

Speaker 2 She doesn't care. My son loves food like me.
You know what I mean? Like I, there are people out there who just don't really care that much. And I just don't know.

Speaker 2 My brain is so wired to like think about food. Like when I'm eating breakfast, I swear I'm like, I can't wait for lunch.
What can I have for lunch today?

Speaker 2 And then while I'm having lunch, I'm like, oh my God, like for dinner, if I have this, then I can have that. Maybe tomorrow I can eat this.

Speaker 2 Like it's a bad thing and a good thing because for someone like me who's so preoccupied with like fitness and all that stuff, like it's a real brain. It's like a mind fuck, right?

Speaker 2 Because I know all the stuff I want to eat.

Speaker 2 I really have to be careful so do you want to hear my theory on this yes but i wanted to say one more thing so that's where discipline is really required and i can't rely on willpower in that way because willpower will only last me so long and then i and then i just like collapse and i'll eat and i kid you not i'll eat like nine pizzas so so this is do you want to hear my theory on this yes and i've done this on the podcast too but

Speaker 1 my theory is that we're all like that and that's not a individual. I think people often personalize eating problems.
They think it's a personal issue.

Speaker 1 And I think to some extent, almost all of Western, particularly American society, has the same problem you have.

Speaker 1 And so they feel like they're obsessed with food and they're always craving things and they're always going to have to fight their desires.

Speaker 1 But my theory on it, and it's been tested, this isn't just me pulling it out of the sky. is that you're not obsessed with food.
You're not, and I'm not talking about you specifically.

Speaker 1 I'm talking people aren't so much that they're obsessed with food food or they have an unhealthy obsession it's that their body is asking for nutrients and so the cravings are actually adaptive and they're telling you i want something and the less you give it into it the longer that goes and the more sort of extreme so that's where binging comes from binging comes from this suppression this artificial suppression from the head down telling the body no no no no no we're not having this thing xyz and then eventually the body because it has to rebels and forces the the brain the person to binge because it's been suppressed for so long so it actually makes sense the body is saying i don't know when i'm going to be able to have these nutrients in this pizza you said nine pizzas right i'm i don't know when you're going to let me have pizza so i'm going to stuff away nine of them so you get this extreme swing to swing and the way to combat that the actual solution to that problem is to find the middle ground where you actually just eat what you want and you start to eat intuitively and i think the biggest specific nutrient that people are missing is saturated fat so the things we seem to love are the things that we're told we don't like so we're told

Speaker 1 we're not supposed to eat so we're told no salt right that's that maybe maybe that was more when we were younger yeah no

Speaker 1 not anymore yeah but people used to say no salt now no sugar and no no um saturated fat those are the three things that people need to eat more of they need salt That's why I have people supplement with salt in my gym.

Speaker 1 They need sugar. That's why I tell people to eat fruit.
I'm sorry, I'm flipping everyone off.

Speaker 1 This is to the people who say don't eat fat and sugar and salt.

Speaker 1 And then the last thing is saturated fat. What's saturated fat? Meat, eggs.

Speaker 1 If you are plant-based, then you can get it from coconut and even cocoa butter. But those rich fats that we fucking love, cheese, yeah, eggs, butter, meat.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm going to interrupt you. I, okay, only because I agree with you 100%.
I think that

Speaker 2 I know you're really worried, but I'm going to throw a monkey wrench into your thing.

Speaker 2 I think intuitive eating is a really great way to be. I'm much more of a realist and I'm a very practical gal.

Speaker 2 And I think that a lot of times people know that that's what they need to do and what they should be doing. However, it's much harder.
said than done. Agreed.

Speaker 2 And I think people are already programmed to be a certain way and they've done things for so long. It's very hard for them to unwind that and unravel that.

Speaker 2 So I don't believe that, you know, you know, there's this whole theory that, oh, you know, everyone should have a cheat meal, a cheat day, right?

Speaker 2 I don't believe everybody should have a cheat meal and a cheat day. I think that it can really counteract a lot of people, right? Like, if you have a cheat day, right?

Speaker 2 You could end up having like so many calories in that day that it just kind of just like counteracts all the good stuff that you did that whole, that whole week, right?

Speaker 2 And it's like for your psyche, it doesn't work for some people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that can go wrong.

Speaker 1 yeah a cheap cheat day a cheat meal can go it could go horribly wrong but there is there could also be wisdom in it too like it really depends like talking about it is hard because it depends how it's done it depends what the quality is behind that it depends what what the meaning is to the person for that cheat day or that cheat meal um especially psychologically but also physically if you feel like you're miserable six days a week then well this meal then then your cheat meal isn't going to work your cheat day isn't going to work no i mean listen i've tried this whole idea of like oh just eat what you want when you want and see how it works.

Speaker 2 Well, you know what happens?

Speaker 1 That's not enough framework.

Speaker 2 I know. That framework doesn't work.
You know what happens? You eat way more calories.

Speaker 2 And so people over-index how many calories they're actually burning in their workouts.

Speaker 2 And then because they over-index that, the amount of calories that they're actually working out, they end up eating a lot of calories. And

Speaker 2 you're not getting a deficit.

Speaker 2 You need that deficit in your calories to lose weight, right? Even for maintenance of something.

Speaker 2 You need to know it is, it is pure, it is kind of a calculation like this is the amount of calories i need no one loses weight on 8 000 calories a day nobody loses weight from michael phelps maybe unless you're swimming 12 hours a day right but i think that's why people have to cover have a come to jesus and have a realistic expectations if you are working out like a regular human being in the gym for an hour 45 minutes you're only burning like 300 to 500 calories maybe six if you're someone who's like going at it really hard okay people think that's like a thousand calories because their watch says so.

Speaker 2 Their watches are almost always wrong. Okay.
These tracks are.

Speaker 1 So what often happens is if you burn 500 calories, sometimes what will happen is for the rest of the day, your body will just shut down 499 calories of your metabolism.

Speaker 1 So you will stand less, you'll move less, you'll breathe shallower.

Speaker 1 Your digestive system will shut down. Like your body will counteract that.
So that's not necessarily like trying to exercise your calories off is not necessarily the best way to do it.

Speaker 2 No, you shouldn't be exercising your calories off. What I'm saying is what you do is you think, okay, I burned this amount of calories.

Speaker 1 And now I can eat this much.

Speaker 2 And now I can eat this much more when your numbers are not even like realistic.

Speaker 2 And so you end up gaining weight.

Speaker 2 And like the number one way for me to control what I'm eating and to know what I'm eating is to have food that is single ingredient or exactly I know exactly the ingredients.

Speaker 2 And so I don't eat any processed food as much as I can help it. I'll eat only things that are are, that are grown that I know.
So I'll eat like a pure protein.

Speaker 2 I'll eat like a vegetable and I'll eat fruit.

Speaker 2 I'll eat things that I know are like as single or minimal ingredient as possible versus like going out to a restaurant where they automatically a meal that you go and eat at a restaurant, you should just add another 500 calories.

Speaker 1 And it's also not just, it's not just the calories. It's like.

Speaker 1 that what you said about the minimally processed foods, the reason it works is because that's natural foods that your body can understand that.

Speaker 1 When you're eating these hyper-palatable foods that are processed that basically hijack your your brain and your taste system That's when things go wrong.

Speaker 2 Oh, I agree with you that that that's we could do a whole podcast on that

Speaker 2 But I'm talking about like if I'm gonna have a chicken breast right I just want to have a grill like it's with some olive oil and some very very simple seasonings versus versus if I go to a restaurant and think I'm just ordering a chicken breast a lot of times they're putting a lot of other stuff on it or in it with putting extra butter they're putting more oil than I would like they're cooking it on a surface that probably had lard on it.

Speaker 2 So you're at the calories get exponentially higher with shit and fat that you don't even want on it or need, right?

Speaker 2 So like a good way to kind of, you know, offset that is A, make your own food, right? And be cognizant of those things.

Speaker 2 So when you go to a place and you're like, you, you are tracking your calories and you are tracking what you're eating. Always add in an extra three to 500 calories.
So you have that like bumper.

Speaker 1 It's very hard to be in perfect shape or the best shape you can be in without cooking.

Speaker 2 food. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you're eating out three times a day, it's very hard.

Speaker 2 No, it's really hard.

Speaker 2 It can be done, but it's hard. It's super hard.
Yeah. So I think that's basically what we are talking about on this podcast.
Guys, just watch what you eat. I think at the end of the day,

Speaker 2 these are the takeaways.

Speaker 2 The takeaway is try to cook your own food if you are trying to manage and monitor your weight loss or fat loss or overall your body, what you're eating and what you're doing for your body.

Speaker 2 Add some calories that you're going to be taking in if you're eating out, but try to minimize that. Do heavy weights for body composition and some cardio.
And

Speaker 2 do move movement. Any movement is better than no movement.
So do your wacky exercises and your wacky cathes and enjoy yourself. Get the swings out.
Yeah, and the trampoline.

Speaker 2 All right. Thank you.
Bye. Bye.