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Speaker 9 Carl Jung once said that knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darkness of other people. But what if that other person is your father?

Speaker 9 This story covers two lives: a father and his daughter, and two paths: a killer and a victim.

Speaker 9 I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is Happy Face.

Speaker 7 I got a phone call. You guys were in bed.
I got a phone call and this guy gets on the phone and he says

Speaker 7 I know where you're at. You're in the kitchen and you're wearing this.

Speaker 7 I was petrified. Oh my god.

Speaker 7 So I closed the door to the kids room and I turned off all the lights because I didn't want him to know where I was at.

Speaker 7 But whoever called me knew exactly where I was in the house and he knew exactly what I was wearing. So I knew he can see me for wherever he was.

Speaker 7 So I turned the lights off and I called 911 and they said, well, if they haven't broken in or anything, there's nothing we can do. I go, oh, you're so comforting, you know.

Speaker 7 But the fortunate thing for me is I was babysitting my sister's two dogs.

Speaker 7 And and I was sitting on the couch and I said oh my god Lord if you take me if he kills me just don't let my kids find me in the morning please don't let them find me

Speaker 7 and I sat with the dogs next to me

Speaker 7 I can see the door handle turning

Speaker 7 and the dogs went ballistic

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 whoever it was left.

Speaker 7 Do you think Keith had something to do with that? Oh, he said he did. Keith states that he hired someone.

Speaker 7 How did you know that it was him that was trying to put a hit on you?

Speaker 7 Because that was the only. Who else knew where I lived?

Speaker 7 Things got messed up.

Speaker 7 You stayed sincere.

Speaker 7 During the Dreamland fire.

Speaker 7 You've been let down.

Speaker 7 You've been let go.

Speaker 7 Packed up your plants and found

Speaker 7 a new home.

Speaker 9 I'm on the road with Melissa Moore, the daughter of the happy faced serial killer. Noel, our producer, is also in the car with us, and we've just left her mother, Rose's office.

Speaker 9 Rose told us this terrifying story about how Keith had threatened her even from prison. He had hired somebody to possibly even murder her.

Speaker 9 And Melissa's beginning to realize that none of her childhood homes were truly ever safe.

Speaker 7 Let's actually go there.

Speaker 7 I want to go to the first place I stopped when we came to Spokane. Are you okay with that? If I take you there, worse.

Speaker 7 I'm on Hamilton Road, which is the road my mom took when we got to Spokane to head over to my grandma's house. And

Speaker 7 everything was new to me. I have never seen so many buildings so close to each other.
There's so many cars. This was a sight that I've never seen before.
And it was thrilling to me as a young girl.

Speaker 7 It was absolutely exciting despite knowing my mom had just said that her and my dad were separating, which I didn't believe. It didn't feel real.

Speaker 7 I felt that this was a temporary situation, that they would get back back together, that this was just going to be like a summer vacation.

Speaker 10 When you moved to your grandparents' house, how did your day-to-day change?

Speaker 7 My grandma, you know, didn't expect to be hosting a family in her house, and so there was no way she could have prepared, even if she could have prepared. So, her basement was an unfinished basement.

Speaker 7 It was all cement, cement floors, and there was a canning cellar with this old reclaimed wood. And

Speaker 7 there was no, there was one bedroom that was finished in the basement with

Speaker 7 like particle board. But my area that I picked was the cellar room, and I had room for a cot.
And then there was no room for any furnishings. We didn't have any furniture, so I used

Speaker 7 shoe boxes to organize my underwear and my socks. My cardboard.
Yeah, cardboard shoe boxes. And that was kind of like my makeshift dresser.

Speaker 7 I thought I was going to last just a week or two, but it quickly turned into the whole summer. And then summer quickly turned into I was going to fifth grade now.

Speaker 7 My mom was registering me at Evergreen Elementary here. And when she registered me for fifth grade here,

Speaker 7 it now felt like, oh, this isn't changing. And especially when my dad showed up.

Speaker 9 But when Keith came, it was a huge disappointment for Melissa. She suddenly realized he wasn't this superhero or this mythological figure she'd always romanticized him as.

Speaker 7 He had a trailer of all our belongings and it was like halfway through. Like he didn't even have any care.
When he showed up, it was a disaster.

Speaker 7 It was just like tossed in there like it was trash, our belongings. I actually didn't even recognize it as my own bedroom furniture because it was so broken down and so ruined by the transport.

Speaker 9 Rose remembers this well, and it's even worse from her perspective. While Melissa focuses on her bed and her possessions, Rose's sadness comes from losing something irreplaceable.

Speaker 7 When we had left, he had given everything away from our house. Like I wanted to keep like you guys' baby pictures and her baby.

Speaker 7 She had a cute little gown, little rose buds all over that your grandma had bought for you and and a quilt that was made for you and

Speaker 7 he chucked that all out or gave it away

Speaker 11 Phil Stanford the Oregonian May 26 1994

Speaker 11 One day, about November 92, he says, he picked up a girl named Claudia in California. On the way out of LA, my mind went wild with the thought of a sex slave.

Speaker 11 And when I stopped at a rest area, I took her. I taped her up and raped her again and again.

Speaker 11 I kept her for four days alive. Then I killed her and dumped her body about seven miles north of Blythe on 95.

Speaker 7 I was still happy to see him because I thought that every time my dad came, I could persuade him to get back together with my mom and like everything would go back to normal and I could have

Speaker 7 my life back. I thought if I could just manipulate and convince my father, I would try every tactic possible.
And maybe, you know, other kids when they go through a divorce go through the same thing.

Speaker 7 That's what I did with my dad. I wanted him back.
I wanted him to fix the situation, you know.

Speaker 12 But you registered registered that, like, he

Speaker 12 wasn't treating your things with respect, that there was sort of a coldness there. You registered that.

Speaker 7 I registered that, but I thought it was because of his anger at the situation. I didn't take it personal.
I thought it was.

Speaker 13 Did you blame your mom?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. I blamed my mom.

Speaker 7 That's what I regret: I blamed her.

Speaker 7 She didn't deserve that at all.

Speaker 7 How did you meet him again? How did you guys start dating? Oh, I know the story. You were working at a burger place

Speaker 7 and you were doing the takeout window. And then my dad drove through the takeout and then you didn't put the meat in his patty.
Like your meat patty. He's still sitting on the grill.

Speaker 7 On the left. And then he circled back because he didn't have meat in his hamburger it was just two buns right yeah

Speaker 7 and he goes uh miss i did order a hamburger and there was no meat in it i go oh okay it's still sitting on the grill

Speaker 7 so he asked me out and i said no

Speaker 7 Every time he'd come in, he'd ask me out and I go, no, finally my craft and goes, I'll just go out with him once. Why didn't you want to date him? I was not really attracted to him.

Speaker 7 You know, the whole thing, I don't even know I even married him, to be honest with you.

Speaker 9 Seemingly inappropriate laughter seems to be a trait of the Jesperson women.

Speaker 9 It's almost gallows humor.

Speaker 7 20 years later, it's like, what did you even see in this guy that you married him? I guess I just read it for the underdog so long I married it. I don't know.

Speaker 10 he wasn't exactly a faithful husband.

Speaker 7 Oh, absolutely not. From day one.
From day one. Actually, literally.
Day one. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Tell me about your wedding day.

Speaker 7 Got ready for the wedding. We got married.
And they were doing pictures of me, and I guess he was outside kissing the bridesmaids. My best friend.
Pam. Pam.
How did you find out about that?

Speaker 7 She told me maybe years later. She goes, I felt so bad.
I wanted to tell you.

Speaker 7 But dad didn't tell you. Oh,

Speaker 7 she told you.

Speaker 7 When you were married and we were living in Yakima, did you ever sense that he was unfaithful?

Speaker 7 I knew it. I knew it.
I was getting phone calls every day. Hi, is Keith here? I said, no, who is this? She goes, oh, I can't remember what her name was.

Speaker 7 And she goes, oh, would you tell Keith that I called? She goes, oh, who are you?

Speaker 9 I go, his wife.

Speaker 7 Oh.

Speaker 7 And then she'd hung up.

Speaker 7 So they were phoning the house. They were phoning the house.
Did you ever confront dad on these women calling?

Speaker 7 I did. He would say things like, if you only knew.

Speaker 7 Like, we'd be driving down the road. He goes, if you only knew.
And I go, if I only knew what?

Speaker 7 Because if only you knew.

Speaker 11 After the second murder, the happy face killer says, he realized he liked what he was doing.

Speaker 11 This triggered something in me, he says. It was getting easy.
Real easy.

Speaker 11 A week or two later, I stopped in Turlock, California at a rest area. A hooker became my next victim.

Speaker 11 This time I just strangled her right there without sex.

Speaker 11 She was in in my truck only five minutes. I dropped her body off behind the Blueberry Hill Cafe 10 miles south on 99.

Speaker 11 I placed her body in the dirt and stepped on her throat to make sure she was dead.

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Speaker 7 I just couldn't understand why we couldn't get it together. Like

Speaker 7 I couldn't understand because our car came from my dad.

Speaker 7 When we needed anything, my mom would ask my dad and my dad would buy us a new car or my dad would provide the things that we needed so it felt like we just weren't competent

Speaker 7 on our own without him like somehow he was competent and

Speaker 7 knew how to make things happen and and he got money so fast and so effortlessly it looked like you know but i doubt it was that

Speaker 7 now looking back you know as as

Speaker 7 a mom now looking at

Speaker 7 he didn't have to pay anything like all the his resources his full-time job didn't go to supporting a family went to himself

Speaker 7 and his lifestyle

Speaker 9 Did you at one point try to go on the road with him? There's some story he told me.

Speaker 7 Oh yeah,

Speaker 7 so so you guys stay with your grandparents.

Speaker 7 We go to Arizona. So we're in Arizona.
In a semi-truck. In a semi-truck.
It was a blazing hot day. So we were going to stop at a restaurant and eat.

Speaker 9 So he parks the vehicle, we walk,

Speaker 7 and there was,

Speaker 7 I call them pimps, but they had a huge black limo and they were washing it.

Speaker 7 He

Speaker 7 physically picked me up and put me in the arms of that man. He said, you can have her, and walked away.

Speaker 7 And that was the end of our marriage. That was it.
That's when I left.

Speaker 7 I don't even know why I got back in the truck with him and went back home.

Speaker 9 Mentally, for you at that moment.

Speaker 7 That was it. I was totally done.

Speaker 10 So we basically told pimps that you can have my way.

Speaker 7 Picked me up physically, picked me up and put me in the arms of a guy.

Speaker 7 Like, what?

Speaker 7 Like, I couldn't think. I was in so much shock.
I couldn't figure out.

Speaker 7 We never talked, by the way, the whole way back. Never said a word to each other.

Speaker 7 It's been a long two years,

Speaker 7 and this world is full of liars.

Speaker 7 Your name's been cleared

Speaker 7 of arson, the dreamland, fire.

Speaker 7 You've been released,

Speaker 7 you've been spared.

Speaker 7 Now

Speaker 7 you can breathe in a brighter air

Speaker 7 How did he feel about being a dad?

Speaker 7 Well, he's he said he really was happy and I mean he held you and stuff, but he was never home

Speaker 7 So what he said and what he did was two different things. Yeah, that makes sense.
That's always been the case.

Speaker 7 I think I spent the first year it was like I don't know how to explain it the first year she was born I was like there was some dark force that was trying to kill us I don't know how to explain it to you I went the first year with with Melissa had went through two fires didn't I save the family by waking up when yeah like I was I was sleeping and

Speaker 7 she was playing in her crib and I go what the heck and I looked over oh she's playing in the crib I heard an audible voice tell me Rose it's three o'clock in the morning why can't you see your child playing in the crib Eyes shot straight up.

Speaker 7 The whole bathroom was on fire. I grabbed her, ran out, I nudged Keith, ran out the door with her.

Speaker 7 And the whole mobile home felt burned down.

Speaker 7 It didn't burn down, but it caught the whole roof on fire. Wasn't it the vent?

Speaker 7 Keith, taped the vent.

Speaker 7 It got so hot that the fan, the melt, it plastic melted and I had a little toilet cover, a shag cover, and it caught it on fire and the whole bathroom was engulfed before the smoke detectors went off.

Speaker 7 I was already out the door before the smoke detectors went off.

Speaker 9 When did you remember having the first feeling like, oh my god, I made a mistake in terms of marrying him?

Speaker 7 I think when I went through the second fire,

Speaker 7 it was like three months after that,

Speaker 7 your dad had a contract with the backhoe to do irrigation pipes for a huge orchard up in Winniache.

Speaker 7 So we borrowed your grandparents' brand new travel trailer and we parked it under the hill. And there was just dry grass all the way up the hill.
And then there was a beach and then a lake

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 7 I remember looking up and the hill was on fire and it was all dry grass between me and that trailer it was tall dry grass do you know that he was an arsonist he set fires I didn't even think of that he did it through

Speaker 7 childhood do you think he set the

Speaker 7 Trailer on fire? I that's I have and after that that's kind of a coincidence Two fires. Exactly.
Do you think he was having second thoughts of being a dad and was trying to kill our family?

Speaker 7 Kill us all. I have no idea, but I think about it.
Like I told you, a dark force was trying to get rid of us.

Speaker 7 So dad was gone. We didn't see him.
And this fire happens on the hill and it's coming straight down for us.

Speaker 7 And then what do you do? You have me in the lake. Uh-huh.
And I grabbed the hose from behind the camper and saturated the grass

Speaker 7 as much as I could with the water from the hose.

Speaker 7 I mean, it was going to be our life. So, and I had a visual point that if the fire broke past that line, I was going to just leave the hose there.

Speaker 7 I was going to run to the lake and I was going to go deeper with you in it.

Speaker 7 And then did it ever reach that point? It did not. I saw the fire truck come down.

Speaker 14 When When did Keith come back?

Speaker 7 Oh, maybe 15 minutes after that.

Speaker 7 How did he know? I have no idea.

Speaker 9 It was an incredible moment just watching them come together. It was as if they were putting together the pieces of a puzzle that they'd been trying to solve for years.

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Speaker 15 It's hosted by me, Jenna, I'm a comedian, so you know it's going to be funny and uplifting, of course.

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Yes. I literally will.
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Speaker 7 Then you said that was the moment when you regretted marrying him. Why? Because it was

Speaker 7 this is the second fire, like within three months. And I felt like this dark, oppressive force was after me.
And I felt that that force was your dad.

Speaker 7 Then shortly after that,

Speaker 7 like a month after we go camping you and I

Speaker 7 and we're at a church camp and so he decides to sleep in the car but you and I sleep in the cabin

Speaker 7 and then

Speaker 7 I heard a bear

Speaker 7 and it's going around and around our cabin I was like oh my god I mean I wanted to grab you put it in my bed but I didn't dare stir you and then the bear stood up on the door and was pushing on the door And there was only a leather latch between that bear and us.

Speaker 7 And so I laid there and I said, oh God, just please don't let Melissa make one sound. Please don't make your one sound.
And then I heard another bear going around and around. That's not an accident.

Speaker 9 He must have planted fish or fish.

Speaker 7 He did. He did.
He cleaned fish in front of the cabin. You can see paws all over the place.
And he was sleeping in the car.

Speaker 7 and This bear was pushing on this door and was pushing on this door and I just thought oh my god if that latch on hooks were we're dinner.

Speaker 7 I know that dad

Speaker 7 knows not to clean fish like it's 101. It's 101.
You don't prepare your food in your camp base. Right.
Or clean fish. You're supposed to even put your trash up a tree.
Yeah. He knew he knew that.

Speaker 7 I mean, he packed horses with his dad.

Speaker 7 They've been camping since they were little. They know the bush better than anything.

Speaker 7 It's apparent to me. Three incidents.
He's conveniently in a different location.

Speaker 7 This is definitely him trying to make it look like an accident. I think after that point,

Speaker 7 that I really believe you and I were protected. Really.
Spiritually protected. You and I.
Very, I felt that from the very beginning with all the kids.

Speaker 11 The happy face killer, if that's how he wants us to think of him, says he left his next victim in Salem, Oregon.

Speaker 11 My next victim was a hooker I had used weeks earlier. I summoned her on the CB.

Speaker 11 She had a raincoat on. We went through the normal procedure.
I felt so much power.

Speaker 11 I then told her she was going to die and slowly strangled her and dropped her off behind G.I. Joe's in Salem.
I put her against the fence under the blackberry vines and covered her with leaves.

Speaker 17 Do you believe her when she says your dad never abused her?

Speaker 7 I do, and I believe in the physical sense. Yeah.
Because he didn't physically abuse her. Was he an abusive man? Yes, in a different way.
He was abusive emotionally.

Speaker 7 He was abusive, like controlling the money and controlling her.

Speaker 17 How did it make you feel hearing, kind of putting the pieces together about the stories your mom told you about the fires? Because you obviously knew about, you knew about the fires.

Speaker 7 I knew about one fire. I did not know about the bears or about the other fire.
I didn't put the pieces together. Like, this is

Speaker 7 like I've had these fragments, these little stories. I've just painted a picture of one particular thing.
Now I feel like the pieces are coming together and painting a bigger picture.

Speaker 7 I had assumed when he had thoughts of killing us kids that it was towards the latter years. Never would I have ever thought that it happened as I was a toddler.
You know, I didn't go that far back.

Speaker 9 When you look at Keith's history as a serial killer, you have to understand that his murders that we know of took took place in a five-year period.

Speaker 9 He started killing in 1990 when Melissa was 10, and he stopped in 95 when she was 15.

Speaker 9 And that history she shared with her father before he became a serial killer is something that's very difficult for her to process.

Speaker 7 You know, I guess I had put somewhat my dad in a box too. Like

Speaker 7 he was the monster for five years. Now I'm seeing he was the monster

Speaker 7 for many years, years, decades. Like this is not all his life.
Yeah, the five years is not an isolated event. It was an escalation.

Speaker 10 Were you ever afraid of him?

Speaker 7 Was I afraid of your dad? No.

Speaker 7 Was I afraid of the person that picked me up and put me in the arms of another guy? Absolutely. I was afraid of that.

Speaker 9 Do you think he was born that way?

Speaker 7 I think

Speaker 7 he was groomed to be who he is

Speaker 7 from less.

Speaker 7 So you lay messed up.

Speaker 7 It's been a long, long year.

Speaker 7 Things got messed up.

Speaker 7 You stayed sincere

Speaker 7 during the Dreamland Fire.

Speaker 19 Happy Face is a production of How Stuff Works. Executive producers are Melissa Moore, Lauren Bright Pacheco, Mangesh Hatikador, and Will Pearson.
Supervising producer is Noel Brown.

Speaker 19 Music by Claire Campbell, Paige Campbell, and Hope for a Golden Summer. Story editor is Matt Riddle.
Audio editing by Chandler Mays and Noel Brown. Assistant editor is Taylor Shacoyne.

Speaker 19 Special thanks to Phil Stanford, the publishers of the Oregonian newspaper and KATU News in Portland, Oregon.

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