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The Heat Copcast

is willing to give Draft Day another try.

You're welcome, Costner!

Yeah, you are welcome.

Kevin Costner, star of the silver screen.

Dan Hansis, Mark Sessler, heed the call.

And what does that mean, Mark?

Well,

guess what?

Next, the week before the NFL draft, which is April 24th, but on April 17th, on our Patreon, an exclusive, a draft day live watch event.

And we will once and for all decide if draft day mark was full of heart from start to finish, as you once famously said.

This was a professional collapse for me on multiple levels.

Like the fact that I commented on this in the equivalent of a press screening, I guess.

Like, you know, it's trailed me for my entire, if you want to call it a career.

I don't know what this is, but like,

yeah, let's bring it to the public and see what they think.

Maybe some will agree with what I don't know.

I'm not sure I agree with my own review from way back when.

So sign up, www.patreon.com slash heed the call.

Yes, on Thursday, April 17th, we will live watch the entirety of Draft Day with Kevin Coster and don't forget about cap analytics expert Jennifer Garner

and Frank Langella.

I mean,

how did we miss on this?

I don't think you have PFF if you don't have her role in this film.

I think that's sort of where that was birthed.

I think you're right.

And I think that's one of the things we'll talk about when we watched Draft Day, the movie.

No, I want my picks back, all of them.

We have two Connors joining us today.

Connor Rogers of NBC, a big-time draft expert, and he's going to help educate us.

But first, we welcome our our old buddy, Connor Orr.

Connor Orr

like getting down in soul tree.

Connor

Connor.

Wow.

Might be my favorite.

I mean, there's been some great ones.

Who was that, Justin?

That was Alex Badura.

Badura.

Alex.

Badura.

Thanks, Alex.

Was a town and country more like what?

Down in sultry.

Sultry.

He has me pegged.

Yeah.

What's up, Conman?

You okay with the second Connor on the show this week?

Yeah,

Connor Rogers just spells his first name wrong, but that's okay.

First name, Connor, is one N, and then last name Connor is two N's.

All right, well, let's hold off on that.

I feel like you're the only Connor I know with one N, so I don't know what...

Is that am I?

I feel like that's more rare, but okay.

I mean,

we're taking it from the homeland.

So I feel like

we're

opponents of the tush push are like, shit, this isn't going to work.

Let's say it breaks your neck.

Let's see if that works.

We're not going to talk about the tush push today, actually.

No.

Moratorium on tush push, okay?

Just like the NFL has kicked the can,

so too shall we.

This is going to be more draft focused.

We're going to check in on the draft every week on this show.

And before we bring on Connor Rogers to educate us on some guys who we think could be immediate or he thinks can be immediate contributors in our league, let's bring in the gravedigger formally to get us caught up on some draft buzz.

Some draft buzz.

I'm talking top of the draft buzz, these big names.

It's one of those weird years where we don't have like a locked-in top five.

I feel like a lot of years we kind of just know what's going to happen.

But as we get closer and closer, we're getting more and more reporting about what's going to happen.

And here's what I've uncovered for us to discuss today.

Hold up, number one.

Connor,

Mark, what did you think of Justin's setup there?

Was that a good, how did he set the table like one to 10, that table setting there?

Well, he's a total professional.

I'd give it a solid 8.7.

Connor?

Just because I know that

Justin can always even reach further if he needed to.

Yeah.

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, I think that's a 10, but that's just Justin.

I mean,

Justin's floor is a 10 for me.

Yeah, I'm going to go B minus.

All right, Justin.

Fair.

Always room for improvement.

All right, according to Easton Freeze of A to Z Sports Nashville.

That's not a good thing.

Not only did you fire Titanic in Attorney.

Is that like the guy before he becomes a superhero?

That's the name of a Little League baseball bat.

Sorry.

He's a guy.

He falls into, or he gets caught by some bad guys during a robbery and gets thrown in a meatlocker and dies, but then some industrial goo falls on him that's on one of the shelving and makes him like a superhero in the freeze capacity.

Origin story.

Yeah, oh, whatever happened to Easton Freeze and meanwhile he's saving the city, you know, like one of those things.

Yeah.

Easton is a great reporter for the Titans, a good buddy of mine who does great work.

And I'm going to share his reporting that not only did the Titans send a massive contingent to Cam Ward's Pro Day

and his private workout a few days later in Miami, they also sent owner Amy Adams strunk, which doesn't feel like something you would go do unless you're

trying to

select that player first overall.

So, I think the buzz, if we're talking buzz, is that Cam Ward will be the first pick by the Titans.

The sports betting odds are very much leaning that direction, heavily favored.

So, I think that's where we can start our top of the draft discussion.

Bravery, just trying to manifest this, Mark.

Yeah, well, I mean, I don't disagree that it's vaguely notable, but like what a multi-millionaire gets on like a private plane and flies like 45 minutes to a

This is leading the news?

Top pick.

Wait, is this an episode of Remember the Titans?

Shit.

Wait, like...

I'm vaguely impressed that Amy Adams Strunk lifts a finger to do anything.

Like, it's one of the least visible owners out there.

We're talking Strunko?

Yeah, well,

maybe I'm annoyed because I had a large Strunk diatribe at our previous employer that was just axed out of our podcast once, where I didn't appear for 45 minutes because my part of the segment was deemed by management to be,

I don't know, irascible or something.

Yeah, I'd rather not talk about what happened in that meeting.

You weren't in the issue of that thing.

All right.

What else is going on?

I think everything is pointing that way.

I'm going to be curious,

Connor.

I'm going to throw it in.

Justin's annoyed by the word.

I'm curious what Connor Rogers thinks about Ward as a prospect.

We'll ask him before we get into our larger topic.

What are your thoughts?

Or man?

I'm curious, though, because they're making a show of

what they're doing publicly, but what are they doing privately?

Because famously, like when the Eagles drafted Carson Wentz, they were at North Dakota State interviewing Maitre D's and waiters at restaurants that he used to go to and asking, how much does this guy tip?

Is he polite?

Does he hold doors for people?

Like, what does the back end of this look like?

Because that is what really kind of gets my gears going on something like this.

How many teammates were at his birthday party?

Yes, it matters.

And what does a nice callback?

And what does a large contingent mean for a franchise like the Tennessee Titans?

Like four dudes?

Like, how did we roll?

No, like president of football ops, general manager,

assistant general manager, three assistant general managers, head coach, quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator, like more people than I've ever heard of.

So the other way, do you need three assistant general managers?

Two minutes, but the Titans do.

All right, what else is going on than the latest NFL draft buzz?

All right, so on Friday, Colorado's pro day will take place.

Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter, two big names in this draft, will be working out.

The question is, where are they going to go?

Because there's been a lot of talk about Shador Sanders to the Browns or Shador Sanders to the Giants, but the latest buzz indicates that maybe Shador Sanders will be slipping past potentially the third pick.

And where then does Travis Hunter go?

Because a lot of people say, well, if the Browns aren't going to take Sanders, it's Abdul Abdul Carter.

Travis Hunter makes a lot of sense there, too.

There are a lot of Browns

reporters tied to the Browns who came out of the owners' meetings talking pretty definitively that Travis Hunter has risen up the board for them at number two.

So I think he's in play, depending on what they think about Abdul Carter.

I think Travis Hunter is in play for Cleveland at number two.

I think it's certainly something that their front office would be interested in.

I mean, they're a little bit more analytically minded and experimental.

And what I think no one's talking about with Travis Hunter right now, and I think may attract the Browns and should attract everybody, is it allows you to completely change the way that you stack your roster for a game day?

Because if you have a guy that can play two positions, you can add another tight end or you can add a fullback when you wouldn't have before because you're concerned about special teams or cornerback depth or whatever it is.

And Travis Hunter allows you to maybe add even a whole different personnel package.

So I think once we start talking about that kind of stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if he pushes even further up the board.

All right, what else, Justin?

And finally, Buzzy Buzz, Abdul Carter, who's dealing with a shoulder injury and a foot injury, didn't work out at Penn State's pro day last week, despite his agent saying at the Combine that he would be ready to work out for that pro day.

Some buzz coming out of the owners' meetings is that a few teams have major medical red flags on Carter and might consider removing him from their boards.

Well, that's interesting.

How does that affect his fall?

Yeah, that's, I mean, it might not fall at all.

This might be all bullshit.

And that happens also this time of year.

But a lot of mock drafts have connected Abdul Carter to the Cleveland Browns at two.

But I guess it depends what kind of injuries we're talking about

and if they are chronic injuries or if it's one of those things where it was just like, because this happens too.

So maybe their plan was we're going to work out of the pro day.

And then he wasn't quite 100%.

And you're not going to go as a less version of yourself when you're doing your final draft showcase.

And in which case you go, you know what?

I stand on my game tape.

Go watch that.

It doesn't necessarily mean that he's seriously injured.

He's just not totally healthy.

So I don't know.

Connor, I feel like there's a lot of gray area and making assumptions based on things like this could be dangerous business.

I'm 85% sure that the teams who just said that they were going to take Abdul Carter off their draft board are the ones that are hoping that he slips to eight or nine so that they can take later on.

So, yeah, I don't buy this one.

one, all right.

Uh, so there's some draft buzz, and why don't we, while we're here, Justin, you want to just spin us through a few NFL news items that are out there?

Sure, so we didn't talk about this yesterday, but it happened in Florida.

Jerry Jones, very publicly stating that he is negotiating directly with Micah Parsons and said he doesn't even know the name of Micah Parsons' agent.

And Micah Parsons also responded to Jerry Jones in the form of a tweet.

Oh, my God.

This story.

Yeah.

This story drives me crazy because we know what's going to happen here, right?

Micah Parsons will sign a giant fat deal with the Dallas Cowboys, and

the news machine needs some gruel to keep the story going until that happens.

And as a result, we need to find something to talk about.

And here is Jerry Jones, like in terms of how this is being presented, cornering

Micah Parsons at like a roof steakhouse or something and saying, We'll get this deal together done, just you and me.

Keep out that middleman.

And now we're talking about, Will anyone think of the agent?

Oh, will anyone think of David Mulgetta?

Like, he needs our sympathy and support in this matter.

David Mulgetta, he'll be prominently involved with this.

Parsons will get as much, if not more, money than Miles Garrett.

He'll stay with the Cowboys.

Somebody else could get their panties in a bunch.

It ain't me.

This is the kind of story that, like,

our show

has the license to completely ignore if we wish to your point like it's all going to get done like i i don't even believe that jerry jones has not heard of this person i don't know why he needs to issue these comments um it's tedium uh the agent's going to get his part of this that's how this always works you're right he's going to be the highest paid player in the league and we just kind of wait for it to happen quarterback non-quarterback but like wait for it to happen I did I just never, I always wonder if he realizes, and maybe that's part of it.

I did this big, deep dive on Dallas and contracts a couple of years ago.

And one of the things that kept coming up was the idea that Jerry Jones actually likes being able to say that I paid more for this person than anyone.

Like, I likes, like, even back to Troy Aikman, I have the highest paid quarterback ever.

It's like a carnival barking thing for him.

But at the same time, like, all of this little tedium is costing him money.

It just is.

You know, he could have had Dak Prescott for probably seven or eight million dollars a year less than what he got Dak Prescott for if he had just done the deal traditionally and early he same thing with Micah Parsons he's probably gonna end up overpaying by 10 million but does it not matter to him because he gets to go out and say like you know look at this cool rat you know thing that I got here you know whatever I don't know

what else we have look at my player I mean people just like I'm listening I am not above in fact I love

with Jerry Jones and having fun with him because he's just a character uh but this one feels like a little bit overblown It's just like, this is all part of the dance.

And he did get a deal done like this with Ezekiel Elliott, by the way, where he kind of cornered him in the roofs.

But to Conra's point, it's always like a year late.

Yeah, I know.

Also, to all reporters, like, you don't all need to be nice to David Mulageta.

He's only well,

yesterday was a waterfall of nonsense on that front.

Like,

he's he can only text so many insiders, and like, you're probably on the ninth text, and at that point, does it really matter?

You know,

will anybody think of Mulgetta?

It's time for Mulgetta to get the attention he needs.

He's like, has like representation with like 47 of the 50th best, best players in the league.

He's got like seven houses.

Well, anyone cream potentially roving around town like in a cream-colored Porsche, like I mean, yeah,

like you want me to cry tears for the guy in the Lamborghini, like driving to his Miami beach house.

Let's let's calm down.

Uh, what else?

All right, masslive.com, this one's for Mark, is reporting that the Patriots have received multiple trade inquiries for quarterback Joe Milton.

Oh, I told you.

Speaking of top 50 players.

I told you like months ago this would happen.

So, you know,

if the Patriots were smart, well, if they were really smart, if this guy was so good, you make him your number two quarterback.

He's cheap and under contract.

But if you want to move him, this is the time because he's coming off the cameo and teams have talked themselves into him as the secret gem of the quarterback

culture.

So do it now, and maybe you get a mid-round pick.

Do you disagree, Connor?

Well, like all they've done is sign another quarterback and then continuously leak like a bunch of people want to trade for this guy.

It's like, probably not.

If you keep it on the battlefield, I think Sess Dog might be like a little Operation Pink pony on this, on the Patriots' payroll.

He's one of the guys pushing this agenda.

No, I think, like, I think that, you know,

it's the kind of cameo is what you called it

that will attract attract certain people.

Do you think the Patriots

is the

New England's front office organized enough to

initiate a campaign like this, like an underwater campaign or a backwater campaign?

I don't think so.

I don't know what's going on in New England anymore.

It's hard to say what's going on at any given time.

One more thing, and then we got to get to our great guest, Connor Rogers.

Finally, Woody Johnson called the NFL PA report card grade that he got of an, I think, F minus Totally bogus.

You know, earlier this week, I was giving him credit for perhaps being even moderately humbled by the waterfall of criticism when everyone finally realized that he is the problem for the New York Jets and has been for many, many years.

And then he goes and he does this.

And I don't know if anybody else has noticed this, but.

Woody, who obviously has ties to Donald Trump, he was in his cabinet or whatever as a UK ambassador in the prior administration.

His texts, and he's even done a text about us once that was in this cadence.

His writing cadence is Trumpian.

And I was thinking, Mark, perhaps you do a pretty good

Trump.

I would love to hear you embodying Donald Trump.

Sometimes you slip into just the natural Trumpian cadence.

If you would do us the favor of giving us a little Woody Johnson

through the filter of the president.

They're very wrong.

They're very wrong about me.

You cannot get it.

There is no such thing as an F-.

And let's be honest, I'm much closer to a passing grade.

That's what we're going to be doing.

And I love chimneys.

A lot of smoke coming out of chimneys.

We love it very much.

Give me a, my first thought was it's totally bogus.

That's what he says first?

Yeah, my first thought is that it was totally bogus.

And my first thought, it's totally bogus.

We're going to talk about very bogus, very bogus information here.

I don't know who these people are.

They're terrible people.

Beautifully done.

All right.

Very good.

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It's a third and 16 for the Chiefs, and the shot's been snapped from their own 24 rolling out of the pocket of Mahomes.

Lines right.

It's intercepted at the 40.

It picked off by DeGene, who comes to the near side to 30.

Got it back at the 20, breaks a tackle to 10.

The five to the pylon.

Touchdown.

Eagles have got a brick-six.

It's Cooper DeGene.

Ah, the great velvet tones of Kevin Harlan on the call, Super Bowl 59, Cooper DeGene, who put that game away with a pick six in the first half and brought up Cooper DeGene here as we welcome in our guest today because that was a man that was taken in the draft, not a top 10 pick or anything like that, but immediately became a contributor, a star even for the Super Bowl champions.

Who could be the next DeGene?

And now we welcome in a man

who you should know if you don't already know, because he is a fast-rising star in the industry from NBC Sports.

I also know this man from the Badlands New York Jets podcast that he does with my Pisan Joe Caparoso.

Here is the great

Connor Rogers.

Welcome to Heat the Call, buddy.

What's up, fellas?

Happy to be here.

Thank you for the lovely intro.

What's going on?

Connor, yeah, so happy to have you here, buddy.

And for once, for us not to be talking about whether the Jets will find a way to get 9-8.

Not going to lie.

Yeah.

It's a nice change of pace.

Yeah.

But yes, check out the Badlands podcast.

That is tremendous.

And everything else, Connor does.

Connor, so let's get into it.

First of all, before we get into the main topic here, I am curious what your thoughts are.

Justin Graver, our producer, is a big Titans fan.

Where you stand on the Cam Ward side of things as we approach April 24th?

I mean, he's absolutely worthy of being the number one pick.

I I think that's where the conversation starts, right?

Is everybody wants to know, is he just going first because he's the best quarterback in a weaker class?

I think this class lacks depth of high-end starting talent.

I would argue more likely than not after Cam, that's where it ends.

I mean, there are guys that will start games, but guys that can actually carry your offense and win you games beyond him.

It's going to be a development process at best.

So I'm excited for Cam Ward at the NFL level.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's my number one overall player, but he's a top 10 player for me at the most important position in the sport.

He's somebody that's gotten better over five years of college football at three different programs.

Love his personality.

I think he's somebody that people will absolutely follow the second he gets into an organization, and he'll give you all the work ethic in the world and all the talent in the world.

So I think that it's kind of been lost in the shuffle, but I've felt that way about Cam since about October.

Where would you have slotted him in last year's top heavy quarterback draft?

An obvious question, but just that's sort of

the situation.

Yeah, it's the perfect way to put it.

I would have had him ahead of both McCarthy and Knicks.

And obviously, Bo had an awesome rookie season.

I think that he went to a situation that was phenomenal for him, and he capitalized on it to the fullest where he even outperformed my expectations.

But I mean, last year was a special group where I looked at Caleb, Drake May.

I really liked Michael Pennix for a long time, and that kind of course corrected itself where he went top 10 like he always should have.

Obviously, Jaden Daniels is a superstar already and was a hell of a prospect, but I mean, fifth in that group is still, in my eyes, a guy that goes.

And, you know, if those guys didn't go in the first 12 picks, the Raiders probably would have taken a quarterback as well.

So Cam Ward is still a top 15 pick in last year's draft.

It's just the fact, once again, that after him, we don't have a lot of guys that look like they have high-end starter potential.

And that's where people get disappointed because it feels like for a long time he's been the number one pick, whether that was going to be the Titans.

And we're all sitting here wondering, like, okay, the Titans don't have a quarterback.

Why are they openly talking about trading this to the Giants or whoever else?

And obviously, coaches get into the tape and opinions change really quickly.

And everybody's looking around going, why wouldn't we take this guy?

So it's just good to see that catch up on Cam, who has done a lot of great things like Bo Nixon, Michael Pennix did across five years of college football.

I think a lot of teams love seeing that with a quarterback prospect.

Yeah, and I was listening to you did a great

conversation with Kevin Clark, a friend of ours, and how the portal system has obviously changed and revolutionized college, you know, for good or bad, depending on who you want to talk to on that.

But in terms of evaluating prospects that are moving through different schools, different levels of play, different offenses,

on the NFL level, you're getting a better look at these guys compared to the old model, right?

That's exactly right.

I think the good of it is it's allowing quarterbacks to develop in college in a world where,

man, it just felt like they were cast aside quickly and then they get thrown into the NFL.

And if you were lucky, you got a year or two and then you're thrown into the fire.

And if it doesn't work out quickly, you're done pretty much.

And we've seen late bloomers, obviously, because of that across the NFL.

But I think in this era, guys can now get some money where they don't feel like they're losing all of that security while continuing to to develop.

I mean, the perfect example, and maybe it's not perfect because obviously his family background gives him a different sense of security.

I don't think Arch Manning is going to be in next year's draft.

I've been telling everybody that.

Unless maybe he goes out and has his elite year, but all these fan bases that are sitting there and going, well, next year Arch is in the draft.

Number one, we've barely seen Arch play, and I think he will be a really good college quarterback.

But I think Arch Manning is a guy that can now sit there and be like, I could develop at the college level across multiple years, make a ton of money, and then go to the NFL when I'm ready to do that.

I don't think think he'll be the only guy following that pathway.

So I think it's changed things for the better with quarterbacks.

There's a lot of bad it's done across college football in terms of other positions and roster movement at a

pace that is hard to keep up with for staffs and players themselves.

But for quarterbacks alone, like I'm shocked Quinn Ewers is in this draft.

I thought he's a guy that really, really could have benefited off of that system by going back for a year.

So yeah, it's done a lot of good.

Kyle McCord is in this draft, and it really, really helped him going from Ohio State to Syracuse.

And don't forget that Arch's uncle, Peyton, and Jets fans like Connor and I know this very well, had a chance to come out of Tennessee in the 90s and say, I don't want to get drafted by the Jets who had went 1-15 the year before, and he stayed an extra year and ended up with the Cults.

So, anyway,

yes, let's get into it now.

So, we call it the Cooper Dejean all-stars.

It doesn't mean we're looking for just a bunch of white cornerbacks because that doesn't happen a lot.

But we're looking for guys that can come in, hit the ground running.

I assume the assumption for most top 10 guys or whatever, at the top of the first round, you can make the case.

But for this exercise, Connor, we asked you as somebody that's a real tape dog,

some other guys in this draft that you think people might be maybe sleeping on a little bit that can come in and be difference makers year one.

Where do we want to start?

Right.

So the number one thing when you write these names down is they have to be good at something today at the NFL level.

Like there's no ifs, ifs, ands, or buts.

I need to know what I'm getting in a defined role right away.

And that's why we kind of avoided top 10 players as much as we could, because those guys should be good at something at the NFL level right away.

That's why they're top 10 picks, even in a weaker draft.

We'll start with Tyleek Williams from Ohio State, who I think deserves to be a first-rounder.

I am not convinced he's going to go in the first round.

I would lean more top 50 for Tyleek Williams because quite simply, he is a 334-pound run-stuffing brick wall of a human being that you drop in the middle of your defensive line, and now teams have to completely rethink how they attack you with the run game.

And in today's NFL, that matters a lot.

And I'm a little surprised how little buzz and hype there is around somebody with that skill set for the first round.

I think people love him as a second-round pick, and I get it.

You look at the pass rush situation, only a 7.8% win rate this year.

He's not a pass rush artist.

The effort and power is there.

Not a lot of moves, not a lot of creativity.

But you just turn on the tape, like you look at the second time they played Oregon, the playoff game where they just smashed them and embarrassed them.

Oregon kind of sat there and looked at it and goes, we're going to have to run somewhere else.

And when you could flow the run somewhere predictable on a defense because of what one human being is doing on your defensive line, that's a defensive coordinator's dream.

It could set everybody else up for success, whether it's how you align your linebackers, your safeties, how you want to play your front.

So Tyleek Williams, I might be sitting there and and going, listen, I'm never going to get six to eight sacks out of him, but I know he's going to, in my opinion, he's going to be one of the best run-stopping defensive tackles within the first three years of his career.

And I think he'll be an above-average one as a rookie.

So, that's why I love the player because I look at all these teams that really, really struggle to stop the run.

And there's a lot of good teams.

Like the Bills at 30 should be thinking about this guy.

That should be right up their wheelhouse, especially, I don't think Ogan Joby's a good run stuffer, but he's still missing six games.

They need a beefy interior player.

So Tyler Williams, he's a damn good prospect, and you know exactly what he's going to do for you as a shade nose or a three-tech from day one.

Isn't that more valuable in some way, shape, or form, though?

I mean, sometimes when we get something like pass-rush win rate in our heads and we think about a lack of moves, I mean, moves can always be developed.

Aaron Donald developed his moves through the help of like a private pass rushing coach after he left college.

But I feel like some of the interior guys, especially, the lack of wanting to do that or needing to do that and just the ability to follow a very specific instruction and be in a certain gap and destroy it is so much more valuable for some of your bigger interior guys.

Absolutely.

And it's a numbers game.

If I have one, like this is the simplest math of football.

If I have one human that occupies two humans, well, then as a coach, life is looking a lot easier for me with how I'm playing my gaps and my fronts.

And so, yeah, I completely agree.

And it's not that he doesn't have traits.

A lot of people look at run stuffers and they're like, okay, can I get a fat body two gapping presence that just sits there and doesn't get moved?

He has strong hands.

He's powerful for 330 plus pounds, like a stout body with muscle and somebody that gets off blocks.

So, like you said, why can't a coach teach him how to rush a little bit in a sense that, okay, let's convert some of that power to pocket pushing power and kind of force the quarterback to roll a different direction, where my NFL edge rusher should be winning the outside corner and kind of feeding him into the teeth of them.

So, yeah, if you're elite at something, and I think he's a lead run defender in this draft, you should be considered in the top 32 picks.

It could be curtains for the tush push if the right team

calls his number.

Yeah, the NFL's looking for these guys, and this would be one of those types of guys.

People are going so crazy about Tush Push.

He'll go number one overall.

Goes to leaks out, gets aggregated.

We've course corrected too much.

Yeah, Connor, who else we got?

Let's flip to the offense for one here and go Trey Harris, the wide receiver from Ole Miss.

And, you know, listen, this wide receiver class, it's not going to be like last year, not even close.

It's a lot of number threes that can become number twos.

I really think,

depending on how you think Travis Hunter is going to play, I guess we'll count him as a potential wide receiver here.

To me, him and Tet McMillan go in the first round, I don't know if any other guys do.

So then you get this giant pit of day two wide receivers, and you're just looking for guys that have a calling card.

And with Trey Harris, who I don't think will be one of the first five, six, seven wide receivers taken, his calling card is just ball skills.

He just finds the football over DBs, around DBs, no matter what it is.

The speed's adequate.

He's going to run, not always run by NFL defenders, but give you enough that he stresses the defense.

You know, we kind of had this funny conversation on the draft podcast I do at NFL Stock Exchange, where sometimes we look back at wide receiver and quarterback combos in college and we're like, you know, did we get it wrong of who made who?

And I'm not saying Jackson Dart's going to be a bust, but would it shock me if in three years, you know, Trey Harris out of Ole Miss is a really good number two wide receiver.

And we look back and go, man, Trey Harris bailed out Jackson Dart on a lot of not-so-great throws in college.

And you look at who ends up being the better NFL player.

It wouldn't shock me if Trey Harris is just the better NFL player.

And I really, really like the mental makeup.

I sat down with him at the Combine, you know, really humble roots.

Dad worked in the oil fields.

Like this guy is, his work ethic ethic is a little different than a wide receiver.

A lot of these guys, they get recruited, they ball out on NIL, and good for them.

This is somebody that started out at Louisiana Tech, had to really carve out a role in that offense, transfers up to Ole Miss, has to carve out a role in that offense, dominates at Ole Miss.

I think the work ethic and the mentality is a little different than what we think of with a wide receiver that I'm pretty confident he's going to make it.

He's got good size too.

Like he's, what is he, 6'2 ⁇ , 200 plus.

Yeah.

I saw that he, um, against like man coverage, he averaged over 20 yards per

target against man coverage.

And like he had a thousand yards in eight games.

So

I saw a comp to Michael Thomas.

Um, does that work for you, or is, is that, is that on base?

Yeah, I don't think that's far off at all.

You look at just the body positioning with both of them, where you're not sitting there and going, hey, you got to run by everybody.

Like just create yourself a small window and go find a way to win the football.

I mean, when you're 45 and 93 on contested catches in college, like you're legitimately, you know, the 50-50 kind of guy, and you watch some of those opportunities.

I mean, he had a touchdown catch where he had to go around the back of a defender's helmet for a throw that Dart left really short in the end zone.

So this is somebody that just zero fear of the dirty areas, violent after the catch, a touchdown machine, and just unique body positioning to say, like, that's my football.

Him and Travis Hunter are the guys in that class.

They just seemingly find a way to steal the football and on throws they shouldn't.

Hmm.

Yeah,

when I was reading the description, I was also thinking, he's a little bigger, Mike Williams.

But is this guy,

I like you have a similar feeling on realistic comps, right?

The idea that everyone comps everybody to be potential Hall of Fame players.

Is Michael Thomas a potential ceiling for this guy?

Is that

a ceiling

star?

Yeah, I like the ceiling comps a lot because it kind of sets expectations the right way.

I like to call them sometimes spectrum comps, where it's like you have a low-end and a high-end outcome, depending on where they go and how things work out.

But the production that he's had and knowing that he has a calling card, it just wouldn't shock me at all if he ends up being that kind of productive player in an offense that can utilize that true X-style wide receiver.

So, yeah, it's so funny.

Like, I've compared Tet McMillan, who I think is the top receiver in this draft, if you don't count Travis Hunter as a wide receiver.

I've compared him to Cortland Sutton a lot, and it's almost like I see faces drop in agony when I say that.

And I'm just like, man, Cortland Sutton was like a really good wide receiver prospect out of SMU.

He's a nice NFL player that's had some bad injury luck.

It's, you know, when you, when you set the expectations so high, I think also you could tell I've just been doing this now long enough where the miss rate is so insane.

You just get fatigue of expecting everybody to be compared to an all-pro because the numbers will tell you that'll just never happen.

I wonder if the Patriots are a team to watch with this player.

Who else you got?

Let's go Mike Green.

This is the highest ranked player I have on this list, the edge from Marshall.

He'll go in the top 20 picks, I'm pretty sure.

I could see like the Falcons are all over him.

That would make a lot of sense.

You look at the edge rush production from Mike Green, and it's in a pretty unique territory.

The reps that I like to filter and watch are the true pass rushes, where the tackle is actually taking a real pass set.

Like in college football, you got to filter through 9,000 screens, jet sweeps, whatever it may be, quick throws.

The true pass rush is, okay, is the tackle taking a real pass set?

The edge rusher can get off the ball and actually make a move or counter.

He was in the 95th percentile in terms of the success rate against those true pass rushes.

So when Mike Green is going up, and you go, okay, well, what's the level of competition now that he's at Marshall?

Well, he looked really good against Ohio State.

He had a spin-move win in that game that was out of this world.

All right, well, what else did he do?

He went to the Senior Bowl, and he was so dominant through two days of practices against top-level competition, including Josh Connerly, the tackle from Oregon, who's probably going to be a first-round pick, that he packed his bags in two days and went home.

And usually when guys do that,

the agents get a couple calls from NFL scouts and they say, like, don't have your guy out here anymore.

There's no reason.

A lot of people like mix that up.

It's the mic drop of NFL prospect.

It is.

That's how I do this podcast.

Yeah.

When you've had a good like hour, you're like, okay, like I could, I can call it a week now.

That's so that tells you what the NFL thought of what he did there.

And just it's a traits-based position.

I mean, you could have 15 sacks in college, but you got to have traits to succeed at the next level.

He's explosive off the ball, excellent agility testing at his pro day, which really matches the flexibility on tape.

You see the violent hands, big-time high school wrestler, really successful high school wrestler.

And you see the violent hands against the run, too.

Like he's going to play at 250 pounds, which a lot of defenses like their edge players to be a little bigger than that.

But when you throw your hands and gain leverage and can have knockback power and take on pullers, like it really doesn't matter as long as you're playing above your weight.

So I think Mike Green is, in my opinion, going to be a top eight player to come out of this draft, although ultimately he'll probably be more of a top 20-ish kind of pick.

We talked about it last week.

You know, the Detroit Lions, you know, maybe get aggressive, move up the board, grab him.

That would be really nuts for a team like them.

You know, you look at, I think it could start at the Panthers at eight, and then you go kind of down the board, the Niners at 11.

Like I said, the Falcons, I feel like they're the most likely.

for him.

But yeah, just pure pass rush, like artist.

I mean, I think it's closer between him and Abdul Carter than anybody will talk about.

The gap, the gap to the next guy is the bigger gap.

Carter is an amazing player, and it's just that Green is like when you watch the tape and look at the numbers and go through everything, it's there's not this giant, giant gap between them two.

Like, it feels like to the third edge rusher in this class.

It's going to be super annoying when he drops to 32 and Howie Roseman takes him.

Never mind.

Howie is getting a top 20 player at 32.

We all, you are mentally equipped for that.

Just to clip that when it actually happens.

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All right, back to Connor Rogers.

All right, two more.

You're on a roll, Connor Rogers.

You're killing it.

All right, let's go, Gray Zabel.

You got to have a North Dakota State offensive lineman.

This is the trust list, right?

Like, yeah, these are players I am trusting to be good as rookies, so I don't look like an idiot.

And Gray Zabel, I mean, what more do you want?

Over a thousand snaps at left tackle, over a thousand snaps at right tackle.

He's played interior spots, even played center and guard at the senior bowl.

I thought he was the best player on the field at senior bowl practices.

And I don't know if it was particularly close.

Another guy I sat down with at the combine.

It felt like you were talking to a 10-year NFL veteran, not a guy going into the NFL.

I think that he is just so smart, athletic, strong,

technically polished.

When you've played that much football at a really good program, that much football at a really, really good program that constantly churns out NFL offensive linemen and a guy that could really play all five spots, I mean, Seattle in the top 20.

Take him, and then whatever you do on day two, maybe he's your center or maybe he's your guard.

Maybe you draft that center on day two and then he plays guard.

Maybe you go the other way around.

I think this guy's an absolute stud and one of the safest players in the draft.

And it feels like when the Bucs took Graham Barton last year, it was like, well, I know he's going to be really, really good no matter what happens.

And why did he fall that far?

And Zabel, it's corrected a little bit.

I'm glad he's not really mentioned in the second round anymore.

It just feels like he's a solidified first rounder because of everything he's done the last, you know, four or five years and then throughout this process.

I like guys that like at age nine are whipping like bales of hay around their yard.

Like that's a, that's a solid prospect.

But like when you dominate at the senior bowl, because that's what I read about him too, and you mentioned that, like,

what does that do for you?

Obviously, it's, it, it changes your whole draft stock, but to go in there and like, these are all like first, second, third round guys.

Like to go dominate the way he did, it just kind of, what does it say to coaches?

Well, it says that, number one, you could kind of sink your hips and take on power for power, right?

Like that's, because you're an FCS guy and they play good teams, but it kind of shows that, okay, level of competition is just not an issue here.

It's the fact that you're, I always say it like this, right?

When you're at the senior bowl, if you're a guy asked to work backwards, you are put in an incredibly disadvantaged spot from the get-go.

There's a corners in one-on-ones.

There's an offensive linemen in one-on-ones or whatever, two-on-twos, whatever they want to end up doing.

You're already in a spot that doesn't really necessarily replicate a real football play all the time.

The fact that you could survive or even look really good doing that is such an impressive feat.

And I feel like Sabel being able to do that in that atmosphere against really stout, strong, SEC, Big Ten kind of defensive linemen just goes to show you that he's going to thrive in those one-on-one situations.

And he's already got the mental capacity to handle any position on the offensive lineman when you're talking about awareness handling stunts.

But yeah, you get to see it up close, like where a guy's hand placement are, his demeanor in between practice, working with different players in an environment that is extremely, extremely uncomfortable.

So

it can be overrated at times, but I think of the last guy that was the ultimate senior bowl winner that was asked to work backwards was Quinyon Mitchell.

And I think Quinyon Mitchell has shown he's going to be a damn good NFL player for a long time.

And this is just a coincidence,

Connor Rogers, but Gray Zabel was also the female protagonist in one of Mark Sessler's self-published erotic novels.

That's true.

The name Gray really lands at you guys.

Something about it.

All right.

One more from Connor Rogers.

And check out Connor, where he does all his work with NBC.

He's the co-host of the NFL Stock Exchange for Pro Football Focus, which we love.

He's a Bets fan, which we don't hold against them.

And most importantly, a Jets fan.

And he's on the Badlands podcast.

Connor, give us one more.

All right, guys, we'll finish with a household name, but I think he's the solidified RB3 in this class, and that feels like it's up for debate.

It's Quinchon Judkins from Ohio State, who, you know, things kind of cooled on him this year until the natty, where it was funny to me.

It was, you know, you look at what he did at Ole Miss the first two years.

He was the first SEC player since Herschel Walker to have 15 or more rushing touchdowns in those first two seasons.

Pretty good company.

Pretty pretty good company those first two years.

And, you know, both of those seasons, he for 76 and 78 missed tackles.

And this is when he's, what, 18, 19 years old.

Then he transfers to Ohio State, shares a backfield with Trayvion Henderson, which there's nothing wrong with that.

They won a national title doing it.

And everybody's like, oh, you know, the production doesn't look the same.

Well, yeah, he's sharing touches.

But when you just watch the tape, he's the same exact guy.

Downhill, hard charging, violent runner, these oak tree kind of legs, explosive, really good burst.

He's somebody to me that, you know, he doesn't fumble.

Feels like he never puts the ball on the ground.

I just look at him joining an NFL back.

Like say the Bears take him at 41.

Give the guy the 275 touches that he needs and don't think twice about it.

Like he's instantly your best running back.

You could ask anything of him.

He's played a lot in the past game as well.

He's been very open at the combine about like, I can play in the slot.

I could play out wide.

And there's a lot of examples on tape of him doing that.

So he's a complete player.

He just gives you star vibes, whatever room he's in, because he's that kind of confident personality and he's got the build of a perfect build for an NFL running back with that power and strength.

I think he's just going to be tailor-made for, like I said, 250, 275 touches out of the gate for whatever team lands him.

And I hope it's a Cowboys, Bears, like an open backfield that it's just his and teams don't get cute and go, oh, week nine, let's give our best running back the ball now.

That drives me nuts with rookies.

These guys are ready to go with the pros.

Do you imagine that position is going to be somewhat overdrafted just because we're a copycat league and we see teams like the Lions or teams like the Eagles having a lot of success with the run game.

And even if you don't have the infrastructure, you as a general manager of another team want to make it look like you're trying to reach for something that other successful teams are doing.

Do you think that some of these guys that are maybe second round picks are going to find their way into the back end of the first?

I think Amarion Hampton could be one of those guys from UNC just because he's another one that he's really, really talented.

He's big.

He's strong.

He's explosive.

He's violent and pass pro.

I'm kind of curious, though, the stare down of it, because on one side, everybody's looking for a star running back that could be the identity of their offense, and that's why Ash and Genty is going to be a top, you know, we'll say 15 pick.

On the other side of it, besides the defensive line, it's probably the strongest group in the draft.

I mean, I have running backs in the RB 14, 15, 16 rank, like that, I think are starters.

So do I need to take one in the top 40 when I believe in...

my evaluation that I can get a guy that's not the same, but good enough in the third or fourth round or fifth round.

That's kind of the Kyle Shanahan of it, all right?

It's funny watching him trade Jordan Mason, and you know, he's going to dive into this class and see what he can find in the third round.

And guarantee he'll probably be somebody really good.

So that's kind of the weird balance of it.

I think Genti is special, where I don't care if he goes in the first round.

I think any argument against that is flawed.

I think that Hampton and Judkins are really, really good.

And then there's this giant, wide range of guys that could go from pick 40 to 120 in a near similar platform.

Hmm.

How about a piece of paper, Connor?

We'll close with this.

New York Jets.

Tyler Warren, no matter what.

Who's going to play right tackle?

Yeah.

It's not fun.

It's not fun.

It's the Brock Bowers thing all over again.

Like, really, it's amazing how we just do this all the time.

Last year, it would have been awesome to take Brock Bowers, but they had no tackle.

So you had to take Olu Fashionu, who's a damn good player.

It's the same thing.

They don't have a right tackle.

They're probably going to take a right tackle at seven, and Warren's going to be really good at 14 to the Colts.

It's the same story as last year.

I know.

It's the same story for 55 years.

Yeah, I was going to say, what's the difference?

Last question for you now.

Draft Day, the movie.

We're doing Heath to Call a live watch where

I'm going to view it with an open mind.

I watched years ago before the film came out when we were at NFL Meeta, we did a screener of it.

We got a chance to see it.

I was left mostly cold by it.

Mark Sessler, iconically, wrote a review that was used in their promotional campaign where he said it was full

from start to finish.

You come down on draft day of the film, starring Kevin Costner and capologist Jennifer Garner.

There's no such thing as a sure thing.

I'm definitely

the worst person to ask this question, but I think there's an argument, like legitimately, to be made that it's the worst sports movie of all time.

From how, like, it feels like they didn't hire a single quality control person on the set that has ever watched a football game or covered an NFL draft.

It's so flawed beyond the processes of the entire thing that I actually laugh and enjoy it.

Like, it's, it's so good.

It's so bad it's good.

We're in the room, the Tommy Wizzo category.

It is so bad that it's good that it's, I don't know if, I'll watch it maybe one more time in my life.

It's, yeah.

Wow, that's really good, Mark.

Well, I forgot about this one.

Well, so Justin, who's a great producer, just pulled up the original tweet from April 8th, 2014.

Mark Sessler, NFL colon, this is like a Dobb Kleinman tweet.

Draft Day, quote, delivers on the great tension of the NFL draft day.

Wow.

Get your ticks.

By the way,

Connor, just to let you know,

this was a verbal interview that I had flown to visit my parents in the offseason and had, you know, you show up, you haven't seen your parents in six months, have a number of glasses of wine, and then I got a phone call from like a PR person, and that came out of my mouth.

And it's, it's, here it is, haunting me a decade later.

So yeah, it feels like you were set up here.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm not actually believing.

Like, I could see how this,

I understand how this happened.

Also, Mark's a Browns fan.

So, like,

the idea of the Browns like hitting the home run.

We'll save this for our rewatch, but I get why, Mark, maybe you would have been conflicted on different levels.

But maybe Connor Rogers and Dan Hansis would have had a similar issue if it was about the Jets nailing it in the end and sticking it up the ass of everyone else.

Well, the worst part of it all is like just when you thought the haunting of draft day was behind us, is last year, Robert Sala and Joe Douglas flaunting their text message of Malachi Corley no matter what.

And Corley ended up having just a dreadful rookie season.

Like, his one memory was dropping the ball before crossing the goal line.

And then, so now when you post that screenshot of them texting Malachi Corley, no matter what, and they bragged after that they had him ranked ahead of Brian Thomas.

And I was like, you know, sometimes like don't say things, just do them.

You don't have to tell everyone.

So

the ghost of draft day lives on through the New York Jets somehow.

Really good.

It delivers on the great tension of the NFL J.

All right, Connor Rogers, thank you so much for joining us, buddy, and we'd love to have you on again down the line.

Thank you, fellas.

I appreciate it.

Take it easy.

Thank you.

There

he goes.

I did forget about that, Mark.

Everybody focuses on, of course, on Full of Heart from start to finish, but that

delivers on the great tension of the NFL draft.

You really gave them a lot.

You gave them a lot.

That may be worse.

That may be worse.

You know, you regret certain conversations under the influence, and that's got to be in the

top 10 to 15.

There's a lot to pick from.

Man, we have a lot of great draft content coming.

Not only

all the draft week episodes that we have, including the Mark Sessler mock draft with Lance Zierlein as quality control in the sixth floor of the Texas book depository,

we also have

the live First round stream that we'll be doing on Thursday night.

We'll be live on YouTube, and you could watch the first, let's say, 10 or so picks with us as we welcome in guests and have a great time.

And we're also talking about this.

If we can make it happen, Mark, this might even be news to you.

I don't know if I had this on the main chain, but and Conman, we're thinking about this might be the place, the live stream in real time, where...

Justin Graver heads to a local playground and once and for all proves that he cannot dunk.

Oh,

I love that.

If it's logistically is the challenge, but we feel like if there is going to be the payoff to learn once and for all that Justin has been lying to us,

doing it live and learning at the same time as our audience on a stream, that feels like the place to do it.

So I will say, Dan, when we do the live streams, like you are great at seeing the comments that come in.

If we had a guest join while I was driving to a gym, like you can bring them in.

Like you know the mechanics of our streaming platform pretty well or I'll just have I'll have Mark do it that would just to make that that's what that's not that would be stressful but like the mechanics of this would be I leave the stream I guess I pull it up on my phone so I can keep up with everything that you're talking about I drive to LA Fitness nearby and then from my phone just stream what about Jessica can Jessica help us out as like be the camera woman Yeah, that would work too.

That would work.

So a cameraman is great to have Mark, but even better, a camera woman.

feminist?

A professional photographer.

10.

Camera woman.

3P.

So, yeah, maybe I'll just like stream from the gym and it'll, like, my audio quality won't be fantastic.

What if you get there and there's like a feverish five-on-five game going on on the

better, right?

You just

walk on.

Yeah.

They'll see you and everybody.

Like, you'll just see the ball drop and it gets quiet because everyone knows what's happening.

They would know.

It's time.

They'll be on one half of the court at a time and I can squeeze my way in there.

So yes, Thursday, April 24th, live.

Justin Graeber will attempt to dunk during our first round live stream spectacular.

I mean, the idea that you could find content in our realm, or really any realm of sports and entertainment, that approaches what we're going to give you the week of the draft.

Like, literally, if you even think from the draft day rewatch on Thursday through draft night, what we're going to give you, if you even think there's someone else that can approach it, literally go yourself because you can't touch it.

Yeah, as long as we do it after the Titans pick Cam Ward, so I can like have that little celebratory moment.

I don't mind missing picks two through nine or whatever it takes.

I see it as like the tail end of the stream.

Like we're getting now into the back end of the top 10, or maybe we do the top 10 and then you head out.

How far away are you from the LA Fitness?

Nine-minute drive.

Nine-minute drive.

I think we could hold that down.

Basically,

we'll have all our guests on, and then we say goodbye to our last guest, and then it's just Dan, Mark, and Connor, and we're, you know, talking draft while you're making your drive to the local gymnasium.

And then the moment of truth.

We'll even give you like three, four minutes to warm up.

That might be necessary and appreciated.

What do you think, Connor?

I have a quick scheduling question there.

Am I eating the olives live if the Giants draft Shadir Sanders also?

Absolutely.

Okay.

So I have to go buy some olives.

Yeah, you could expense it.

We'll have Underdog take care of it.

Okay.

This is going to be quite a program.

Wait, can we get Maury Povich on the live stream?

He's probably available.

Those are reach out.

Like, for those of you who aren't watching it on YouTube and you should, like, the jar of olives that they're holding up in this Mori Povich clip are goddamn, they're so disgusting.

It's like a Costco, like a jar.

Yeah, it's like a Costco-sized jar.

Like, I'm doing like a little, you know.

No, you don't need, we don't need you to eat a thousand olives.

Well, that woman couldn't even look at an olive, but she had mental illness at a chart, like off the charts.

That feels like that's not her only issue.

Right.

Yeah, that was essentially the picture of 1999 in our country in terms of mental health and our awareness of it.

Like, we're now aware of your situation.

We're not trying to trigger you.

This is just, you could look at olives, you just can't eat them, right?

Yeah, like, I think the worst that could happen is maybe like a soft yak on the air.

Just like a, which would be a win for the show.

Sure, yeah.

Even a lightweight.

Olives with like the red thing in the middle or like hollow olives.

So, I don't know.

There's been episodes.

Pickled ones.

They got to be pickled and really

like they've been sitting.

They're highly concentrated.

Yeah.

The ones that are like stuffed with blue cheese, which is also disgusting.

My wife likes that.

She drinks martinis with that.

And then they throw a little bit of martini.

Yeah.

So that's like a three-peep because, other than olives, wet foods that shouldn't be wet is my one thing.

Like I can't do the dishes, and it's like not a great thing in the house.

And it's something that we obviously talk about.

What a move that is.

Honey, I'd love to do the dishes, but I can't look at the after she cooks a meal potentially that she took two hours to make.

You can't load the dishwasher because there's food on the dish.

So there's two.

What a parlay.

We're going to have to redact this before it gets out to the public that Connor is this type of domestic terrorism.

I feel like I step up in a lot of other ways

and it does make the times where she'll come home sometimes and I'm washing the dishes when I'm kind of really in the shit and I'll wear like a COVID mask.

And I'm really grinding through it like retching.

And I do think that that does up the up the ante in terms of appreciation for it so what a warrior yeah is this uh attached to some sort of child uh it's child trauma it's just like like like if we have like

help

help connor specifically um if you have like spaghetti or the worst is like a pretzel like a pretzel floating in like a liquid and then it turns like pale and then if you touch it it breaks apart and that really like i feel like ill right now physically That's not, I can't.

I know you're speaking Mark's language.

Mark hates food, too.

No, I get where you're coming from a little bit.

All right.

Okay.

Good.

Good app.

Thank you again to Connor Rogers.

Connor was great.

I love Connor.

Connor's awesome.

He's like a brown-haired Sean McVay, isn't he?

I could see that.

Like

a better voice.

Super in shape.

Like, got the hair.

Like, he's just, everything sounds right.

You know, easy.

Easy.

Well, we've got a great Connor, too.

Yeah, you're good, too.

You're a good Connor, too.

Just saying.

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