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Bo, your first taste of Monday night football.

Describe that game.

Well, it was a tough football game.

They had a really good defense, and, you know, we forced three turnovers, and that was kind of the difference in the game.

You know, I thought we did a good job when we had to.

We had to go down and score.

We got a field goal there at the end, and then our defense made several stops.

And so this is what Monday Night Football is all about.

It's not pretty, but all it matters is getting a win.

Bo Nicks

with Lisa Salters after the game.

And what a game it was on Monday night from Mile High.

A game that accounted for 952 yards of offense, 73 points, multiple lead changes.

But in the end,

it is the Denver Broncos

who improved to 8-5 as they head into their bye with a 41-32 win over Jameis Winston and the Cleveland Browns, a very game Cleveland Browns team that had just epic performances from their quarterback and their wide receiver.

But in the end, it was the mistakes from Jameis Winston, as has been his calling card in his career that undermined the Browns getting out of Denver with a win.

Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler.

Yes, Sess Dog's here because Sess Dog is a pro.

The Cleveland Brown fan is checking in live here on YouTube as we react to another Monday Night Classic.

And Mark, we're going to get into everything,

but let me just say, as a representative of Browns fandom, thank you to you and the Cleveland Browns because their last two games have been absolutely some of the most memorable football that we'll watch all year,

you know, win or lose.

And in this case, we've gotten both now.

If you told me that Jameis Winston on this evening, on earth was going to throw for 497 yards and four touchdowns.

I would have bet large objects if I owned them on the Browns winning this game.

I think the clip we just saw of Bo Nix, though, is so telling.

Like, she said something that kind of hit me, like, it's your first ever Monday night football game.

Imagine growing up, we've all, you know,

you observe that event for your entire world, and like, he just handled it.

Like, he just, he, like, I know that Winston is the person that's going to, like, outshine everyone with his personality in his pregame.

And, like, because it's our show, we're Browns tilted, but Bo Nix is doing this in his first year as an NFL quarterback.

And I keep forgetting that

the Denver Broncos are a playoff-bound team.

I think they're very, they've been couched in these sort of late, boring Sunday windows against like lower teams.

And they're not the highlight.

And tonight they weren't either.

Somehow the Browns and Winston were, but the Broncos are the team that's going to the playoffs.

And the Browns gave him a fight.

And yes, it was a revenge game for Jerry Judy.

I mean, this is like just one of these insane things that happens.

This game was just sort of insane.

Yeah, I mean, it was just literally bonkers.

It's literally bonkers.

There's no really unpacking it in terms of like, wow, this is what we expect to see next week or two weeks from now.

It just went off the edge.

But the Broncos handled their business.

I have a theory that I don't know how you'll react to it, but I'm going to share it with you, Mark.

Okay.

That this was the best possible outcome for a Browns fan.

And I'm not just saying because it's going to give them a better draft pick down the line, but it does.

So that's one thing.

I think if Winston finishes off this game instead of throwing a second pick six, by the way, has Jameis Winston ever thrown an incomplete pass?

Is it all just touchdowns and interceptions?

It's really six passwords.

It's high production.

It's high production.

It's uncanny what his particular brand of football is.

I mean, we've been watching football for decades, Mark.

There's no one like Jameis Winston.

I I mean, there's a reason he's the only 30-30 guy that's ever existed, and this game was a perfect representation of everything that he brings, good and bad, to the table.

But my point being, Mark, that if he finishes that game off, and I thought it was a big mistake, I tweeted about it, that Sean Payton deciding to kick the field goal there instead of holding on to the ball.

The Denver Broncos defense was awful in this game, not taking anything away from Stefanski and Winston and Judy and everybody else on that side of the ball.

But I did not think Denver stood a chance of getting that stop.

I thought they were going to get beat at the gun with a field goal.

But when Winston throws the interception and then it gets, you know, it was a great play.

It gets a run back

by Jaquan McMillan.

I get the feeling that the Cleveland Browns now can be like, okay, Winston, this is so much fun.

This is such a weight off our shoulders with Watson rehabbing somewhere in parts unknown.

But you don't want to get into business long term with Jameis Winston.

And if he won this game and then they finished strong,

maybe the Browns end up giving him a contract and think that he's the future.

I think Winston's a fun, fun player, a problematic player, but a fun player.

Not one the Browns should look as a long-term answer.

And I think that helps that he was so roller coaster in this game before anybody in Cleveland gets any ideas in their head.

Well, I don't disagree.

I think it'll come from another angle.

I think it proves once again that when you get the problematic starter that they paid, you know, insane guaranteed dollars to, that Kevin Stefansky can coach an offense.

Because we were, you know, thinking, you know, he's on the hot seat.

Do we replace him?

Is he the problem?

Like, is he powerless?

And, like, some of those things may still be true in terms of the power structure.

But look at this tonight.

And it's kind of like Joe Flacco.

times 4,000 tonight.

Like, it really was.

And so it's kind of like two years in a row, we've been proven that when you get person A out of the mix,

whether it's Jameis Winston or Joe Flacco, they come in and the production is insane.

And wide receivers wake up.

David Njoku wakes up.

So I think if anything, for the good side of it, it's consistency.

If we've got a good head coach, if you're a Cleveland Browns fan, you keep him.

I don't think Winston is necessarily, I would see, like my question would be, do they remove Winston the way they did Flacco?

If they try to bring, you know, Deshaun Watson back, that's a whole different discussion that would cause a revolt at this point, I think.

But is Winston in the same category?

Like, he's too fun, he's too verbal, he's too entertaining, he's too

pre-game show oriented.

Like, do we get rid of this guy, too?

And then they bring in like vanilla individual three that outshines Deshaun Watson.

Or, Mark, just like my team, go invest in a young quarterback in the draft.

I know this year people are saying maybe it's not going to be a great draft class

or, you know, find someone that you like that's out there.

I'm just, I guess I'm just saying that Winston is a roller coaster and a lot of fun to watch, but is he the guy that you want to tie your enterprise to?

And there's history here too, because if you remember that infamous 30-30 year, his last in Tampa, I'll never forget watching a Saturday football game in probably week 16 or so.

And Ian Rappaport got on the air and reported that the Bucs and Jameis Winston, the Bucs are very happy with Winston.

They believe he's made strides this year, and they are going to move forward with him and sign him to a long-term deal.

And then he immediately cratered and bottomed out that season and the Bucs changed their mind and they went and they got Tom Brady instead and the rest is history

so you know we don't need to keep going down that road but in general one little note there because like I'd say well number one we were humans on the sideline in London when he threw five interceptions against the Panthers but I would say this like that was pre-LASIC surgery I know that you're not a bit you're not on that beat but I am but like I would say this secondly like aren't didn't they play the team tonight that that is the model?

Like, they cratered financially with the Russell Wilson thing.

Right.

And then you find a young quarterback and you find out a year later, it doesn't really matter that much.

Like, if you find a young quarterback in a rookie deal and it works, you're great.

You're good.

So, maybe that's the move.

Yes, we can't go back to old relationships.

Let's start with new relationships.

But, what you, what the Browns need to do more than anything else is get out of their own way with the head coach and end this

Mike Vrabel flirtation, the last temptation of Vrabel, and all this garbage.

You have a really good head coach and Kevin Stefanski that the players play hard for, that he obviously knows how to coach ball.

He's turned a age, you know, a nearly 40-year-old Joe Flacco into a playoff quarterback.

He's made Winston, this is kind of what Winston has always been, but he knows how to unlock the best in a player to move the ball.

And Deshaun Watson was maybe the greatest misfire any team has ever had in the history of the NFL.

It was that bad.

But Stefansky is not the problem.

Like, for instance, like as I've said, if Stefanski ever ended up on the open market, I would personally hunt down Woody Johnson and demand that he hired Kevin Stefansky.

So the Browns are halfway there, and they got talented players on the roster.

And yes, it's fair to ask the question that Troy Aikman asked on the telecast today.

What if the Browns were a little smarter about this and hit the eject button on Watson before the Achilles went and gave Winston a full season?

I think, you know,

the middle of the million.

I think maybe they could be in the playoff mix right now.

They'd be in the mix, but I can already imagine those west of the Rockies annoyed with us at the moment or around the Rockies that we've spent the time talking about the team that lost.

Like, I think Kevin Stefansky tag teamed in this year's coach of the year.

And that may not please, we get it, that may not please all people, but Sean Payton has done an incredible job.

And they found a way,

I think it says a lot about the Broncos because they played certain types of games.

And this was a different type of game.

And they found a way with a rookie quarterback and their own pieces to like out-duel, especially with their defense, to create turnovers and out-duel Cleveland.

Like, that says a lot to me that they can win this type of game because they're probably going to have to like get into a shootout in the playoffs with a Bills or someone else.

Like, do I trust them?

Not really.

Are they a couple years away?

But have they grown up really quick?

And like, is Denver for real?

Are they a playoff team?

Yes, they are with this coach.

Yeah, I think at eight and five, as they hit their buy,

they're in very good shape, obviously, to be one of the wild card teams.

And like we were saying with the Bucs and the NFC,

a team that could potentially be a problem because the way they're built.

I didn't think that, you know, obviously there were some throws, there were some possessions, some drives where Bo Nicks, again, reminded you, like, oh my God, this guy was the sixth quarterback taken in this draft.

And all the teams that are looking at the best.

Against a good secondary, but yes, a good deal.

He really,

you know, obviously the big play to Marvin Mims was just a beautiful strike, 93 yards, hit him in stride for the touchdown, but he wasn't perfect.

He tried to hit Mims later and

airmailed it, and Denzel Ward had an interception.

The other interception came on a great Denzel Ward play where he deflected it, and it got picked off

by, who was that?

That was.

Greg Newsome.

Yeah, Greg Newsome had the deflection interception.

It wasn't a perfect Knicks game, but he shows so much when you watch him.

That this guy is so confident and so locked in, and they have somebody.

And with Sean Payton, obviously, coaching him, they're going to continue to grow and improve.

So, the Broncos obviously arrow up on a lot of levels.

Now, Vance Joseph and the defense have to look in the mirror and try to figure out what happened here.

And I think

they kept on hitting on it, Mark, the

trouble that they had with some injury issues in their secondary, leading to Jerry Judy having a truly,

a truly historic night.

Judy's numbers, by the way, are outrageous.

Nine catches for 235 yards and a touchdown.

And much of that was done

not against Patrick Sartain, who was

mostly lining up on the perimeters against Judy.

But whenever they move Judy inside and to Winston's credit, and Winston deserves a lot of credit, he played a big-time game.

He just happened to make a couple terrible throws.

Well, and one of them was Jerry Judy, like who would have had, you know, 360 or like he's wide open.

He opened like a 75-yard touchdown.

He missed him on

six yards over his head.

We're talking about a potential NFL record performance by Jerry Judy and one of the great revenge games that has ever been played.

And by the way, kudos to my fail son owner, Woody Johnson, for when the Jets potentially had a trade in place before the Browns, Woody said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

No, we're not going to give up a day three draft pick for that guy.

Meanwhile, Judy now is an absolute, or at least for one night anyway, looked like the greatest wide receiver in football.

And he showed the potential that, quite frankly, a guy like Steve Smith and many others thought that wasn't in him as a pro.

And now he's this guy that you obviously can see as a major piece of this team.

Again, think about the Browns.

I know we're cycling back to the Browns, but that's okay, Mark, because the Browns, in a lot of ways, were kind of the fascinating team in this game.

And they have in Judy a guy to build around.

There are players on this roster to build around.

It was just wild to see how wide open he was getting.

And if you are a Denver fan, you're curious, like, hey, how is that happening?

We're down a cornerback, and this guy is running through open prairie fields.

Problematic, especially with some big quarterbacks coming up down the stretch for Denver.

Yeah, I think like, you know,

I'm willing to, like, it's not to throw this game out the window.

It's just this was such an atypical bizarro affair, a human affair on the sports field.

But like you still have guys like Nick Benito, who I know they talked about a lot, but he had a 70-yard pick six tonight.

Like he's all over the place.

They've got a true pass-rushing specialist.

I think if they get a little healthier in the secondary, I mean, the fact that their defense has carried over and is what it is, like, is the surprise because with Sean Payton, all you talk about is the offense.

Like, I think they're a weird team that is growing up and has a chance to, like, I could I would love to see them versus Pittsburgh in the wild card game like it's like one of these two bizarro teams who are more than we expected will clash and someone will take this thing um I bonish or how about the chiefs like what I was talking about

that's that's your chief that's your chiefs pickup move like I think the Steelers or Broncos could be that kind of team I'm with you on that I think they absolutely could be a dangerous team but you know but

also at the same time Winston and Stefansky really unlocked something and exposed the Denver defense for one night at least and made it seem like that is if they can't figure out answers in that back end that aren't certain, they're going to continue to hemorrhage points.

Now, the thing to keep in mind also is sometimes these nights happen.

And primetime,

it just kind of becomes this special thing where nobody can stop anyone.

And it could be just one bad night

at the office for Denver's defense, which has otherwise been very good this year.

So, yeah, that's the reason they're 8-5, that they've had

until Monday night, very good defense.

And then Knicks and the offense have continued to grow and evolve.

So, yeah, I mean, winning this game,

seriously, I thought they were done when they, and that was not an easy decision that Peyton had to make there because it was fourth and one.

They're in the red zone.

Seth Walder with a tweet.

254 to play.

They're down one point.

It's fourth and one at the Cleveland nine.

And

I really felt strongly they should have gone for it.

Their offense had obviously been playing well

all day, even if their running game maybe is not as trustworthy.

But they were getting McLaughlin was running through big holes all day.

I thought, especially late.

You, knowing that you only have one timeout, also,

you go pick up that first down.

You bleed the clock out.

You make the Browns use all their timeouts, and you either score a touchdown or you put the Browns in a very difficult spot.

But But that's the thing about the devil's bargain with Jameis is when that ball goes up in the air,

it's probably how people back in the day thought about Joe Namath watching him.

There's something exciting that's going to be happening when this ball is heading towards that sideline.

We just don't know who it's going to be exciting for.

And in this case, it was Denver in the biggest moment of the game.

It really was.

Like one little note that I found depressing as

a Browns fan was the reason I think you get to 58 passing attempts is that Nick Chubb is just not the same player right now, and they don't really have a ground game, and so they're very imbalanced.

And so I think that if anything that says, you know, Stefanski knows that,

where I think Denver's hoping that the ground game comes together because they're going to need that.

But like Cleveland, like Nick Chubb just looks to me like one-third of Nick Chubb, and I think we all see that.

And he sat for large parts of this game.

And, you know, they asked Stefansky about it, and he, you know, he just did like a Stefansky-type answer.

But it's like a great player who I wonder if we'll ever see the same version of him again.

And that's just my own little fandom there.

But like, um, that's a player I think most any fan can get behind.

And like he's, uh, it's just kind of strange watching him be not dominant, not really a tangible force.

Yeah, you hope maybe next year when he has more distance and is, you know, his rehab turns to just preparation for a new year, maybe he gets some of that burst back.

But I guess it's, it's interesting in some level that there's another another guy, not nearly the player, Nick Chubb, has been at his peak, but Javante Williams in Denver.

That was a highly touted running back who also suffered a devastating knee injury.

And they talk about Williams that way, too.

It's like, you know, there was a time where he was the future of the Denver backfield, but now they're just trying to figure out where he fits in at all because he doesn't have the burst that he used to.

Let's hope that Chubb doesn't have that same fate because he's another guy that's a lot of fun to watch.

Anything else

to take out of this one, Sessdog?

I mean,

how are you doing?

Like, what was your general vibe watching the game?

Were you living and dying with every play?

No, because I think, let's be real.

Like, I mean, I know that, like, so I read, I did the thing that I did back in seventh grade where I used to write this out with markers, like colored markers on like a piece of poster board, like Cleveland's chances for the playoffs with five weeks to go.

And, like, I mean, these chances, they're still mathematically, I mean, as of before this game, like, there were some, if, like, if four teams had been kidnapped by foreign forces, Cleveland might have snuck into like the seventh wildcard spot, but it needed to happen with a win tonight.

It didn't.

So this for me was sort of the final salvo.

I did find myself like pulled into the fun of the team.

Like they did it in a fun way.

So it's like I give them credit for two years in a row overcoming one of the worst decisions a sports team can make and going the distance.

Last year it worked out.

They won close games last year.

This year they're losing close games or they're losing games in general.

And so they are what they are.

I can live with it.

I wake up tomorrow.

I'll still put like a piece of toast in the toaster and, you know, who knows?

So like everything's fine.

Like

I still exist.

We'll do a show tomorrow.

That's more important to me.

Diaz Moobs writes, I watched both the drive and the fumble today in your honor, Mark.

Tough stuff, brother.

Well, I appreciate that because I think actually what I'd say, and I think the Jets were in a couple incredible playoff games,

it is rewarding.

I think late at night, get a beer or two and go watch some old playoff action from a different time.

You learn a lot about football.

Like players' pads were different.

Their uniforms fit on them differently.

Like, you know, coaches were fat.

Like, there's a lot different.

Like, this is not the only version of the NFL.

And the Drive and the Fumble were two of the most apocalyptic playoff games for a certain fan base you could ever imagine and the greatest

inspirations of hope for another.

And like, that's what it comes down to.

I just happened to, and I've done this a couple of times, just to be on the wrong side of these things.

Yeah, well, in that same era, I think even one of those years directly.

We crushed your dreams.

Yeah, well, a bogus roughing the passer call on gas.

I don't think it was bogus.

I thought it was a very good thing.

Charlie Steiner with the call the Jets are going to the AFC Championship game when I think it was Freeman McNeil ran.

So that Browns team got what was coming to them, is how I like to look back at that year.

Well, I'll never forget reading in Sports Illustrated.

They won the game they shouldn't have won, that Jets game, and they lost the game they should have won, which was the Broncos game, the drive.

So

good job.

It's a big, yeah, it's a big offseason.

We always say this, but it's a big offseason for our teams because,

you know, all it takes is to hit on the right.

For me, I have to hit on the coach and the quarterback, and maybe the owner has to go get lost in the Arctic somewhere.

But if there's a way for the Browns to just make a couple of improvements and figure out a quarterback solution,

they could be playing very relevant games again sooner than people realize.

I think they unsigned the deal with the devil that they signed in like around 1951.

If that works, I'm not sure how

lower levels of the earth work, but that would help.

You know who looked pretty good in this Browns offense?

Sam Darnold.

Free agent.

Think about it.

You know, I think I'll join you.

I don't don't know if you strike gold with that like two times.

I think that's the kind of Browns move where then it doesn't look like

real here.

I might file divorce papers with the Jets and join you on the Browns if Darnold signs in free agent.

I would say

if you track people that move from one relationship to the next,

right?

Like in general, you're getting out of something that was hard for you that diminished you.

Or wasn't always your cup of tea.

But like for you to go from the Jets to the Browns, I'd have to call you one of the least intelligent humans on the planet.

So I think like you need to go to the Lions or something more consistent.

Yeah, but the people that do that shit are, for me, are worse than Nazis, man.

Like you can't, you don't quit.

You get dealt a rough hand and you get dealt a terrible organization.

And it's like, oh, you know, now I'm a Kansas City Chiefs fan.

It's like.

If you and I were both, like we're killing Justin for talking about his Titans podcast, if you and I became Browns fans and kept this show going, this thing is going into the bottom of the sea.

So I think from a

Darno, bad idea.

All right, let's do this.

I'm looking at my notes that were before

the double pick six.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but is Jameis playing himself into Cleveland's long-term plans?

Again, that's the silver lining here.

I think that those interceptions, Andrew Berry can sit down and stop dreaming about the, you know, it's the six-year deal, but it's only really a two-year deal, and we we feel no no no no let Jameis I don't mind keep I'd keep him around though as a

you know because look you wouldn't keep him around like I'd keep him like I'm saying you make I'm saying what you need to do is you got to let Jameis be free Jameis's role for the final five to eight years of his playing career is just to walk the earth and and let him play for as many teams as possible and bring this excitement and the heart palpitations that come with it to many teams.

But just don't be the team that's like, actually, I think he's our solution.

You know what's a problem for him?

And I think we can both feel this, like,

it's not a shtick.

I really do think he, I do think he speaks from something.

Like, I'm not saying that he was always this perfect person.

We all get that.

But, like, where he is now, he speaks from something and within.

I think, like, if he suddenly were on the Indianapolis Cults, like,

we don't care anymore.

It's like he's got, this has sort of been his high watermark as a personality.

And it's, it's a big moment for him, too, because if he suddenly winds up somewhere else and they're trying to recreate the pregame speeches on like week one.

Yeah, but you say that as a Browns fan.

So you think that because he wouldn't be on the Browns, they wouldn't be as enriching or exciting to those fan bases.

I don't think so.

Why else would you?

You should share Jameis.

Well, I think even on Cleveland next year, it wouldn't be.

I think this has been, like with Flacco, they are good at capturing relatively meaningless moments in time.

Relatively meaningless, because now the Flacco Browns thing has no meaning and this will ultimately have no meaning.

But it's sort of entertaining.

It's a bit of a.

I'm not saying that.

See, I don't, this is what I don't like, Mark, because sometimes you're

right.

So you tell me what you're going to do.

Sometimes you hedge your honesty about the Browns.

Don't tell me that the Joe Flacco Browns

season didn't mean a lot to you and didn't, and was it this exciting thing that, and you got to take that ride and remember when they clinched the playoffs spot, I think it was against the Jets and then they're going on the road in the playoffs.

And yeah, the playoff game didn't work out, but you got that that fun buildup leading up to the postseason game.

Like, as sports fans, I think we need to,

Justin, I think you were making this comment yesterday.

I made some type of pithy comment about the Yankees blowing the World Series.

You're like, we need to normalize just, you know, enjoying the micro victories.

It's not all about who hoists the trophy.

So it's like, and I know you know that.

You loved last year.

And you'll love

Justin appears in a circle on YouTube.

And then he, like, I want to hear what he has to say about that.

I care about his take here.

I just think, as a sports fandom society, we put too much stock into who wins it all and too much disappointment if your team isn't that team.

And it's like, only one team's going to win.

How many people in your lifetime really get to see their absolute favorite

sports team win the championship or win a Super Bowl?

Like, if you have a fun season, like even tonight, like just remember the fun of why you became a sports fan.

It doesn't always have to be about, like, winning the ultimate trophy.

Just go enjoy the moments, live in the moment.

Life is short.

Life's too short to worry about who's going to win the Super Bowl.

Just like.

Justin, another guy born in the 90s

who's saying participation trophies are where it's at.

Well, yeah,

I can feel the pom-poms against my face.

But like,

I would just say this, Justin.

Go through some ups and downs and come talk to me in two decades and let's see where let's have that same conversation because I agree.

I felt the same way you did, and I don't feel it now.

Yes, but I'm also not going to just tell everyone that tonight was like this high watermark of human achievement and experience for me.

It's like it's a Browns game.

I'm having a good time.

Like, they did make me feel something to your question.

They did make me feel something tonight.

It was a fun, like, after all this nightmare that we've been through as a Browns fandom, like, this felt like something.

But when I say meaninglessness, it's like it ultimately, where does this lead?

It's a pithy

result that for like, well, I'll look back through a sports encyclopedia.

It's like Browns 5 and 12.

I mean, so, okay.

Well,

I guess my point is, I feel

there are different levels to it.

It's like, yes, there are.

Yes, don't forget, like, not you, just like, don't forget nice moments like what happened with Flacco last year.

By the way, they lost tonight, just to let you know.

Like, I mean,

in terms of these nice moments, like, they were.

Well, no, I'm saying the Flacco year, you know, there was a lot of big wins and a double-digit win season and everything.

And

Winston has brought a lot of excitement this year.

But, like, at the same time, and this is where I differ from Justin, it's like, especially, yeah, as you get older, and Mark, you're many years older than me.

Well,

we've been following our teams since we were boys.

And at some point, you got to f ⁇ ing win a championship or at least get to the goddamn

game.

Like, what is this all for?

It's got to happen.

Just give me one.

Like, I don't need any.

I don't need, like, a dynasty.

I don't need any of that shit.

Just give me one year where everything works.

And if I follow you, if I follow anything for 70 years and it's never successful, that's on Mark.

That's not on society.

I can't, I have to take the finger and stop blaming.

And I appreciate where Justin's coming, but it's like that it was a nice, fun little, like it was a, you know, 60% enjoyable scenario.

Like that starts to run out for me.

Like, I want 100%.

I want to invest in what is investing in me.

And like, if at some point I've got to look at the experience and say, this is Mark's fault.

You need to change your ways.

Mark, next year, this time next September, you and I wearing matching Darnold jerseys.

Wherever he goes.

Maybe I'm in the brown, the home jersey, you're in the white.

Okay.

And we're just like holding hands, watching Cleveland football.

Okay.

I think it would be an incredible end to this journey.

Not an end, but like an incredible chapter in the journey.

Jameis Winston tonight threw for 668 yards and six touchdowns.

Not all of them to his team, but those were the completed passes, the final ledger for Winston.

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Hey, we're back.

Checking in on the chat here.

I maybe missed this, but Mark, maybe you can confirm or deny.

Come on, man.

Did Mark just admit to being 70?

Let me, I could jump in on this one, Mark.

No, he is not 70.

That's ridiculous.

Mark's in his mid-50s.

I mean, come on.

I am not even,

I've barely touched that

world of age.

Like, and I, and I, I don't feel that way.

And I, I feel, you know, about 33.

That's how I feel.

70, please.

Jesus was 33, bro.

You know what happened?

Well, similar fate, probably.

I mean, without the good part of it.

Who knows?

Jesus Christ!

Are you one of the three sons of God?

Are you hinting at that?

I thought the three sons probably were like, I was going to say it's probably like Justin, number one, obviously.

Justin Graver, Jesus Christ, and then some guy, Ira, and Staten Island.

Yeah, and then I would be more like the person that, you know, spent time around them and wrote like the fifth book of the

Corinthians,

yes,

fifth book of the gospel.

I would write that

called Justin.

Let's uh save it for the theology podcast.

Let's hit some news.

Is that how they score it?

I get a passing and a receiving.

You do, that's pretty cool.

And Chris Collendorth is very excited because he started you on his fantasy team.

I love that.

So did I.

Perfect.

Oh, good to hear it.

Mike, can you believe it?

I know that you relish it.

And he said that

Collinsworth is like, that allowed me to get a win over Jack.

Referring to Jack Collinsworth.

It was like the first time anything bad had ever happened to Jack Collinsworth in his life.

Yeah, what a, well, right.

What a, well, it's a life lesson for Jack Collinsworth.

Oh, this is unbelievable.

The first disappointment ever faced by young Jack Collinsworth.

All right, let's get into it.

The Bears fired Matt Eberflues on Friday, and they held a press conference today.

They took some ownership on

the timing of the dismissal of Eberflues after he did his Friday morning press conference.

He also...

They also spoke on what this job is all about.

Here's Kevin Warren, Bears president, on why people are going to want to run to Chicago this offseason.

So when you look at all of these elements as we sit here today, we are in a unique situation.

This will be the most coveted job in the National Football League this year.

Look at this.

This is funny.

By the way, shout out to everybody in the chat right now.

A reading from Mark's letter to the Belichicks.

For the kingdom, the power, the glory are yours.

Now and forever.

It's a modernized text.

Amen.

Anyway,

yeah, I don't really.

Who cares what Kevin Warren has to say?

The guy doesn't.

He sounds like he's in over his head.

But asked who will have final say.

Warren says Ryan pulls a GM will on who the head coach is, but added that they'll do what's in the best interest of the Bears and work out any decisions together.

All right, bro.

Sounds good.

Yeah, I mean,

you know,

Joe Douglas was in this world, like you, you fail once, they kept you.

You're in your second or third wave of not failure entirely because there were successes along the way.

And I think they have built an all-right team.

I don't think it's crazy.

Here's my, it's not a hot take, but I don't think it's crazy to say that it is a coveted job, not only just because all of them are, but like there are pieces in place.

Because if we're going to blame Matt Eberflus for everything, then we'd have to say that another coach who is is skilled could come in and do what he couldn't.

So, but my issue is more that the Bears probably shouldn't say anything like that.

Just like operate in, I wouldn't say silence, but a little bit of humility because I feel like you could look around the league and say, who's in charge of that team?

Oh, I get who it is.

Like, who's in charge of that team?

I get who it is.

Like, with the Bears, it's like, well, there's this mysterious sort of family element behind it.

Some of them in rocking chairs, and they don't operate.

They're not quick.

You know,

versatile.

They're not quick or versatile.

It's like a lot of things are creaky.

And so it's like the Bears, if anything, are suspicious to anyone that follows the league.

Yeah, they suck at this, by the way.

Yeah, and they've sucked at it like essentially

90% of the time.

I mean, George Hallis ain't walking through that door.

Here are their last.

That would be amazing.

That would bring back our, you know, our new book of the New Testament, I think.

Here are their head coaches that they've hired since Lovey Smith, who, of course,

went to the Super Bowl one of those years and was around

for about eight or nine seasons.

But since then, Mark Tressman, Mark with a C, probably lowest on the totem pole of Mark with a Cs.

Mark Tressman was the Browns' offensive

coordinator back in 1989.

So I have a slight affinity to him, but I understand why Bears fans do not.

Not sure on the totem pole.

Yeah, there's, you know, yeah, lower than two years of Tressman, 13 and 19, three years of John Fox, like, you know, post-peak Fox, 14 and 34 over three years.

Remember Matt Nagy?

Would you be shocked if I told you that Matt Nagy had a winning record?

He was 34 and 31.

He was coach of the year.

He was the coach of the year in 2018.

65 games he coached there, but he kind of left as, you know, a hollowed-out shell of a former man by the time they let him go.

And then Ibra Fluce, obviously, 14 and 32.

So, you know, they haven't made the right choice at head coach.

And quite frankly, though, all those guys, even though they could have had Patrick Mahomes famously, but they don't.

They didn't have someone with as much upside as Caleb Williams at quarterback.

So, yes, I get all the reasons why the job could be a good one, but you know, certain teams you just don't trust to

do it right.

And we root for two of those teams.

And the Bears fans know that their team has struggled to make those decisions over the last three decades or so.

All right.

Also in the news, injuries, brutal,

brutal.

The 49ers, it's just like, it just doesn't end.

So Christian McCaffrey, who collapsed to the ground on Sunday night football when it finally looked like he was going to have a vintage CMC game, he has a PCL sprain.

They are moving him to injured reserve.

And Kyle Shanahan said on Monday that it's a six-week recovery.

So, you know, they're hoping that they get McCaffrey back for the playoffs.

But given where the 49ers currently are right now, three games under 500, the playoffs are very much a long shot.

And in case, just in case you didn't think it could get any worse, Jordan Mason, who really stepped in in a big way for them when McCaffrey's first injury issues popped up this season,

he was also hurt on Sunday night.

What a great night in Buffalo for the San Francisco 49ers.

He has a high ankle sprain.

He is also now on injured reserve.

So now rookie Isaac Garendo is going to be taking on the starting duties.

And good luck to you, young man.

All right, let's see if you care, Mark, if you believe that the 49ers have a chance in them to make a run.

They did open the practice

window for one of my favorite guys, Tylanoa Hufanga.

Remember him?

Yes, your guy, I believe.

He was my guy last year to return from IR with he had injured ligaments to his wrist, so the defense could get a boost from Hufanga, who flies around very good safety.

The Saints will be without Taysom Hill for the rest of the year, and who knows at this point, because he suffered a very serious injury on Sunday, tore his ACL and other damage in his knee on a play

in the New Orleans game on Sunday.

So he is obviously now facing an uphill challenge.

And given his age and everything else, who knows what the future holds?

That's a bummer, Mark, because Hill just had like an amazing game, and we were talking how ageless he was and all that.

And football is a way of humbling you.

Yeah, Yeah, and I think that, you know, Darren Rizzy,

post

everything else, Dennis Allen, there, that like Darren Rizzy was like, well, wait, Taysom Hill is, he kept talking about as like the most versatile football player he'd been around, and especially at this level, and like he had a big role.

And like, you know, I was covering that game on Sunday and like looking at, you know, it wasn't that long after we saw everything that happened to Trevor Lawrence.

And like, you're watching Taysom Hill sitting there and just in agony.

It was like, this is one of the more enjoyable people in football.

So that was a terrible situation.

And like, we're not going to see him again this year.

Like, one little note, though, on Isaac Garender.

Like, if you want,

go watch him against the Cowboys.

I think he had 100 yards on the ground.

Like, he can run.

Like, there's something special about him.

I know the Niners at this point are depressing and kind of feel like an afterthought and that they're fading and they feel old and creaky, but he's young and not creaky.

And like, I don't know what they're going to build around.

I'm not sure what their offseason will look like, but they are good.

Like, Shanahan is good at picking up running backs and even taking like B-minus guys and making them A-minus guys.

And, like, Isaac Garendo against the Cowboys was like,

I'm just saying it's a fantasy pickup, first of all, if your little friends haven't already gone and done it.

Like, and probably you're already scorched in your league at this point and you're like not even doing anything.

But, like, this is someone that could make a difference if you need a fill-in.

It's a Hail Merrick.

I picked him up.

That's a Hail Merrick.

Well done, Mark.

You've done it again.

Well, my team is like in the 19th place at at this point, so yeah.

It's fine.

The Jaguars have put,

as one would expect, Trevor Lawrence in the concussion protocol after that nasty hit he took.

In week 13, the Giants say goodbye to star defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence, who dislocated his elbow.

Now we're hit to the time of the year where that IR is mostly knocking out the end of your season.

So see you next spring.

So he is done for the year.

Tight end Theo Johnson.

Just when things couldn't get worse for the New York Giants, tight end end Theo Johnson also moved to injured reserve.

We didn't probably didn't need to throw that one in the I know that shook you because you had like I like I um I took a quick nut lived without the Theo Johnson.

Well, no, I took a quick afternoon nap and then like I wake up and there's like 65 texts between Justin and Dan about Theo Johnson and the impact on the interior.

Guys, like I got to check this guy out because like you're very plugged in.

Like if he was Ron burgundying me right now and he was just like, let me just throw this in the rundown and even though this person doesn't exist, let's see if he says it.

I just said it.

So if Theo Johnson is not a tight end on the Giants, I'm going to be mega pissed at you for making a fool of me, producer.

He's a promising rookie.

He's a fun little player.

I like him.

I liked him coming out of college.

I like him in the NFL.

You've done it again.

Well, Justin, if it bleeds, it leads.

So thank you for

including that.

Cornerback Stefan Gilmore has a low-grade hamstring injury.

He's getting evaluated.

Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell says he doesn't believe it's a long-term injury.

Those are the updates on the injury side of things.

You want to check in on the chat, Assess Dog, before we move on?

Oh, I'd love to.

All right, let's do it.

What do we got?

What's up, William Davis?

Bill Cole hands us plenty of room for you on the Seahawks bandwagon.

You know, I root for a team that has one Super Bowl win in the last like 55 years.

Last time I checked, the Seahawks have won in 48 years.

So I'm probably going to look to upgrade to a higher class of sedan if I were to jump into that bandwagon.

Next,

Mario

Bareleza.

Hey, oh, Mario Bareleza.

I think we have the AFC playoff teams defined already, and it's just week 13.

What do you think?

Let's see.

AFC.

I would say, you know what?

I think he's not wrong.

He's very close to being right.

Like, had the Colts,

if a couple, if one or two games went a different way yesterday, I think it would essentially be set.

I think the AFC South is still maybe in question.

Okay, so we got the Chiefs right now are the one seed at 11 and 1.

The Bills are the two seed at 10 and 2.

The Bills have already won their division.

The Chiefs will in next week or two.

And then you got the Steelers leading the AFC North at 9-3.

So they're either going to win that division or take a playoff spot.

Then you got the Texans at 8-5.

I think they'll find a way to take care of that, even though none of us are impressed with Houston right now.

You got the Chargers at 8-4.

Chargers going to Charger,

but maybe with Jim Harbaugh there, they'll have a couple more 17-13 wins that will get them to the magic number of 10.

So yes, I like the Chargers there locked in.

The Ravens, even though they are pretty hot and cold this season and sneaky now are up to five losses.

I think the Ravens are going to be okay, and they're going to, if they don't catch the Steelers, will grab that wild card spot.

And yeah, this was a huge win for the Denver Broncos

because now they have that extra win in hand.

They're three games over 500, 8-5.

And when you look behind them, it's a middling Colts team that, best case scenario, I think, gets to nine wins.

The Dolphins, who just showed their whole ass on Thanksgiving or on Black Friday and are no longer a team that you can take seriously.

They have to, at 5-7, have to essentially win out.

The Bengals are the Bengals at 4-8.

And then

you're to the Browns, Titans, and Jets of the world.

Oh, all three of our teams are 3-9.

How about you?

Yeah, I don't think we recall a year

where we've all been in the same

sphere where there were so many terrible records in the AFC.

I think that's where that question comes from, and he's right.

Outside of the Cults or something happening to the Texans that goes, because even if they just stay the way they are, slightly milquetoast, they win the division.

Game guy, FTW, Dan, give the Steelers their flowers.

You've been hating on them for years now.

LOL.

No LOL.

I mean, I am.

You call them boring.

You were on the boring training.

Go

find me one person

who has been excited by the Steelers' brand of football

from the time Big Ben got old, which was, what, four or five years ago, until this year.

They were a team that, because of the coaching and home field advantage and defense, have been able to continue to grind out winning seasons, but they have not been a fun team to watch.

And I know you love your precious Steelers, and you can't imagine anyone not falling in love with them every snap they play.

But for people who do not support the Pittsburgh Steelers that didn't grow up on the west side of Pennsylvania, like not all of us give a shit.

And so what I just look for for teams that aren't my team is, are they fun to watch?

And the Steelers have not been fun to watch for the last several years.

That is not the case this year.

And if you're actually listening to the show game guy, I have been giving the Steelers flowers this year.

I have been very

into Russell Wilson and everything that's happened with this offense since he took over for Justin Fields.

And I gave them plenty of flowers yesterday, despite having some fun at the Bengals' expense at the top of the hit.

I talked up their entire effort, which was top to bottom, excellent, from their ability to shred a bad Cincinnati offense to making impact plays on defense with scoring and knocking the ball away from Burrow twice.

Like, just calm down.

I mean, this is the thing, Mark.

These privileged fan bases, it's not enough to have six Super Bowls.

It's not enough to have winning seasons every.

Do you know,

for the win guy, do you know that I haven't had a winning season as a Jets fan since f ⁇ ing 2010?

You've had a winning season.

I would suggest that if he does listen to the show, he does know that this has been mentioned.

You have not had a losing season since Chuck Noll was in his short pants.

So don't come to me and say, oh, it's so mean that you're not nice to the Steelers.

Just enjoy what you have and have fun in the playoffs.

That's all I have to say on it.

Let me give you a quick example to back your point, because I think people don't understand that Dan's nobility, the general nobility that surrounds, it's sort of a, there's a light to it that goes right in.

But I'll never forget, back in 1989, when I really was on my high horse, because the Browns came out and beat with Bud Carson, the old Steelers defensive coordinator, the Browns beat them 51-0 in the opener.

And then the Steelers went out and lost the next week week to the Bengals or someone like 35-0.

And it was like, this team is finally cooked.

And they made the wild card on New Year's Eve and won a wild card game.

So it's like, whatever your hard times are, don't come to this broadcast and try to tell us all.

And I hate to burst your bubble.

Game guy's probably also Justin or Kyler Murray.

It's probably Justin.

Like, I get this from Seahawks fans, too.

Like, oh, Dan, you won't give them any credit.

You hate the Seahawks.

You hate, Gino.

I hate to burst your bubble.

It's like what Don Draper said in that elevator.

I don't think about you at all.

Like, the only teams that I've ever truly hated, I hated the Patriots.

I hated what they stood for.

I hated that they owned that division for so long.

And

that's really it.

The only team that I, and it did make doing this podcast during that long run difficult at times because it was, frankly, very frustrating as someone who legitimately loves the game as a fan to have to be talking about the Patriots and going to those Super Bowls.

For various 28-3 and all the, you know,

the tuck rule predated when they became annoying, but like all the breaks they seemed to get.

That was hard.

That's the only team where you could actually point and say, Hansis, you went too far and you let your fan leanings influence your analysis.

Like, yes, Patriots fans, I apologize for that.

It was a very tough 20 years.

Everybody else, it just, it is, it's not what you think it is.

I'm just axe grinding going.

I like this.

We're like settling settling some scores here, right,

on the feed.

All right.

Anything else, Justin?

These Seahawks fans have been insatiable for your approval.

Very glub.

You're very correct

on that.

All right.

Wait, I'm getting some.

Ooh, wait.

We might have a guest before we say goodbye.

Yeah, let's get that guest on.

Let's get that guest on.

Bill Cole.

Might be a little bit, so keep on stalling with the comments.

Okay,

you got to do that thing like when the

FBI is like tapping the phones and it's like, okay, I think he's calling back.

And then the FBI goes, stretch.

Oh, you have a garden?

What kind of garden?

What kind of garden?

What kind of garden?

Wait, stay right there.

What do you want to do?

You're saying you want to kill me?

How do you want to kill me?

Stretch, stretch.

Explore your fantasies.

Explore your fantasies.

Are you pervert?

Are you obsessed with sex?

Well, no, I'm saying that's what you'd say to the person on the phone.

You'd indulge a psychotic person on the other side of the phone.

In general, they're a dangerous, weird person.

I'm the person asking the questions.

They're the cop team asking the questions.

They have to talk about the question.

Yeah, but in your mind,

that setup led to some type of twisted sexual fantasy.

No, I take them out of the moment and I take them to a different cloud, and then they start to, you know, the minutes pass by.

Bang, wiretapped.

Wiretapped.

Because Dan said, quote, not impressed by the Seahawks beating the Jets.

Look at the Hawks' record the last 15 and compare it to the Jets.

The Jets suck.

The Jets have been the worst team in the league for the last 20 years, the last 15 years.

The Seahawks have been fine.

I mean, they had a great run.

But you can't tell me, Bill, honestly, you can't tell me that you watched the Seahawks on Sunday and you were impressed by the way they played with all those special teams' mistakes and the way they basically were about to get blown out of that building before Aaron Rodgers gagged that game away in the second quarter.

And then the Jets offense disappeared.

And then you got 10 penalties from the Jets in the fourth quarter and that sustained your final drive.

I mean, you were very fortunate in that game.

That's okay.

I can see some staff changes for the Seahawks.

I was a bit of an audacious staff where it's like we're going to bring in some people that don't have a lot of NFL cred.

This is good.

I'm actually impressed with the Seahawks in general.

I think they've kind of proven that the head coach can do it.

Matt Broody, Mark is a tantalizing mix of horny and philosophical, and I'm here for it.

Who's this from?

Hold on.

Matt Brody.

That's from Vamp.

Somebody get

that email.

Everyone's great.

You can say whatever you want,

I guess.

Karen Lynn, always, always

a little startling when it's like we have a woman listener.

And I'm very happy that Karen.

I recognize Karen.

Yeah.

What?

No, this is like a long these are longtime listeners.

These are like our core listenership.

Will the battle for number one seed in NFC come down to Lions versus Vikings in week 18?

What about the Eagles?

The Eagles probably are going to have a say.

Hanses hates the Eagles.

Well,

maybe.

Maybe you got a point there.

Actually, what you're doing now is you're doing this thing where you're,

hey, listen, I'm fair and balanced on the Eagles, but you're kind of just waiting for something to happen that kind of proves you right in the end.

I know you are.

We've been doing this pad a long time.

I'd be surprised if the Vikings.

It could happen.

Karen, it could happen.

The Vikings, I feel like the Vikings have a stumble in them.

They nearly had one in this game, and I think this week, and I think they don't profile to me as a team that's going to go 14-3 or 13-4, which is, I think, where the Lions end up.

So I would say more likely that it's not.

It doesn't come down to that, but you never know.

Lauren, there are dozens of us.

That's great.

We like it.

We love it.

Absolutely.

We like variety.

Dozens out of 100,000 is also a dozen point, but that's okay.

Hans hates the Raiders too,

and so do I as a Raiders fan.

I actually kind of like the Raiders.

I think you've done something smart as a broadcaster because it's question after question of you hate.

I need to start railing against like five or six teams like uncontrollably,

even if I feel it or not, just to get like that fan base on my

Zac, you know?

Yes.

I'm guessing Jay is taking my long-standing criticisms of Antonio Pierce, which, by the way, I try to warn you guys back last December that you probably don't want to get in bed with him in a long-term capacity.

And you think that that means I hate your team.

It's just like I don't think you have a good head coach.

Matt Rivera, fellow Raiders fan, I conquer.

Oh, I concur.

Well, it says conquer, but I think you mean I concur with the hatred of the Raiders.

It's tough.

Like, I have, I always have empathy for like loyal fan bases that are stuck with a team that just cannot get out of its own way, and that's what it is.

We have, oh, very glub.

We have one more question, and then we have a very special guest checking in.

Very glub, say something mean about the Cowboys, Mark.

It's surprising they still exist

with that said we welcome in a very special guest um uh he is checking in from maybe the airport uh in denver

he is

special airport yes this is the line

this is the line that he uses on his uh blind uh dates in the south bay i am the voice of the cleveland browns andrew ceciliano and believe me in the south bay that does does not get me very far.

How are you, guys?

Sorry for the wait.

I am back at the hotel bar or back of the hotel.

I'm going to scooch over here away from the bar, so find a quiet corner.

I was

going to join you from the back of a vehicle, and then I thought I was going to be alone in the car.

Then I got the car, and there were a whole bunch of people, and me screaming into AirPods, doing a podcast on my phone with a bunch of people after a loss was not probably the best thing.

So, thank you for your patience.

No, we thank you.

And, you know, I asked you on short notice earlier today and understood that it could be tough given everything.

So, we appreciate it.

I guess

your general takeaways on the game that you called today at Mile High.

It was fun.

I'll tell you that.

And that's what we kept saying over and over again, regardless of what happens, regardless of how this one ends.

This was a fun one.

Sorry for my bad camera work here trying to hold up my phone.

Look,

Jameis is a gem.

I love him.

I would follow him through a wall.

He says jumps, I'll ask how high.

I truly love the guy.

You know, he's going to throw a couple of picks, and he threw a couple of picks today.

Even if you go back to the Ravens game, his first victory, that thrilling victory back in Cleveland, the Ravens dropped a couple of the would-be picks in that one as well.

So there's the good, there's the bad.

The good was 497 yards in a Browns single game regular season record.

Actually, he broke Bernie's 489 from the playoffs, the crazy double overtime game against the Jets in 86.

Right.

So, I mean,

no Cleveland Brown has ever thrown for more passing yards in any game.

So Jameis was amazing.

The pick sixes killed you.

And what killed you about the one after the two-minute warning as well is that the ball right before the two-minute warning, the ball on the sideline, the other sideline in front of the Broncos bench to Elijah Morris is a thing of beauty.

And And then you come back, he just threw a bad ball.

I mean, the one at the end of Barton, whatever, but he just threw a bad ball, kept a two inside, then X one to Moore, and then the pick six killed you.

They are fun, and they are relevant with him at quarterback, but today was a loss.

It's,

well, so, you know, if anyone watching this doesn't know, like, because this is a live show, like,

Andrew, we are longtime Browns fans.

And, like, you know, you, you had,

like, life is strange and destiny and like just these paths.

But to step into the shoes of where Jim Donovan was, like, it's been pretty cool.

Your hair looks awful, by the way.

Anyway, keep going.

Yeah.

No, your hair looks coming.

It's just awful.

But to step in for Jim Donovan and do what you're doing.

And like, I watched your Jameis interview and like I can see like kind of just the joy and the happiness.

And you can, people can say whatever they want about Jameis Winston's past and all stuff, but like, and I get that, but like, there's a different energy around the Browns.

And I guess my question would just be, like, so we're here again, two years in a row, where something special is taking over what was before.

We all know what that was, but like, what,

where is this team and this coaching staff with what happens, do you think, this offseason?

And I know you don't know maybe exactly what's going to happen, but like, what's the deal?

Because, like, don't they see that this has connected the fans and everyone back into the

motherboard, right?

Everyone does.

And the question becomes, and I'll tell you right now, I don't have an answer because I don't know that they have an answer.

The question becomes, you know, what does this look like after Baltimore week 18?

And what does it look like come the start of the new league year in March?

And how does Jameis finish?

And how does this team continue to react?

This team is capable of beating anyone on their schedule right now.

We saw that last week.

And a huge part of that is Jameis.

Everybody plays better because he's playing.

great football.

Jerry Judy went for 235 today.

You know, lost in the Tony Grossi interview last week where Jerry said he wants to whip the Broncos behind was the fact that Judy said, I've always been open.

I'm just getting the ball now.

Mike Woods came back, played football for the first time in two years today after an Achilles injury.

Mike Woods caught three first downs.

Jamari Thrash, everybody is involved.

Everybody knows head on the squibble, the ball is coming to me.

And that's obviously something that this team did not have the first seven games of the the season.

I do not know how they will navigate the offseason with Deshaun Watson.

I simply don't know.

He's rehabbing in Achilles.

He's back and forth in and out of Cleveland.

Plenty of teammates love Deshaun.

Deshaun, when he was in the building and his three years in Cleveland, his teammates liked him, like

at present tense, like him.

The football wasn't always there.

Clearly, they are a better team right now with Jameis playing quarterback.

Everybody sees it and knows it.

What you do in the offseason, I don't know.

Look, they may get outbid.

Jameis is making $4 million a year.

Somebody is watching.

Jameis has made it clear, guys, through these five starts now.

He deserves to be a starter in this league.

And somebody will pay him to be a starter.

You would have to think.

The Browns obviously only have limited flexibility on the cap, considering all their contracts, not just to Sean.

Not just to Sean at all.

I don't know how it works out.

But yes, to answer your question mark everybody feels it everybody sees it yeah i can't tell you how many times my phone blows up during games oh my god these guys are fun i love them yep you joined you joined at a good time uh and on on the other side you i know you did obviously a lot of prep for this game uh what did you see from the broncos that kind of stood out to you in this game obviously knicks made some big plays uh they ran the ball very well at times the defense had a bad night but also made the huge impact plays yeah i mean this is the first time they've gotten cash guys they they had held nine teams under 20 this year.

They're winning low scoring games, and their defense was, what, top three in point?

They were number three scoring, number six total, or the other way around, whatever.

The number one run defense in the NFL.

This is a really, really, really good team.

But Jameis Winston gashed tonight.

Offensively, I don't know that they have a lead back, but the Browns

run defense, ran out of steam.

They're running a lot of bodies in and out of the game.

And Jameel, Jalil McLaughlin looked great tonight.

I don't know that he's the number one, but he's certainly fun.

Bo Nicks is the real deal.

If you look at, even look at the Raider game last week, the guy makes crazy throws on the run.

He's not afraid to take chances.

Sean Payton's calling a good game.

Bo Nicks is legit.

They have something.

And Cortland Sutton, same thing.

I don't know that this team is going to make a big playoff run, but they deserve to be in the postseason.

And with this defense and bone next, they can beat somebody.

I feel that.

You know, I'm very, and I don't want to keep you too much longer, Andrew.

Oh, I don't care.

But, like,

I do, I do want to just say on a personal note that, like, we got to know each other,

three of us at NFL Media, and

we all have great memories of there.

Absolutely.

And we're no longer with that company, but there's something very

that makes me feel good that Mark and I are doing the show show that we always wanted to do now.

And you are the voice of the Cleveland Browns.

Well, you guys are killing it.

I still listen all the time.

And I'm happy that you guys have found a landing spot and a home and you guys can do your thing.

And we're all still friends with the people back of the network.

I get asked everywhere I go, you know, what's going on there?

And how is everybody?

I'm like, you know what?

I had a great run.

We all had a great run.

And I still have plenty of friends there.

And they're still killing it.

And I'm still watching every day and I am very fortunate to be here.

You guys are very fortunate to do your thing.

We're still having fun and living the life.

And I mean, for Pete's sake, we talk about football for a living.

I will say one thing, Andrew, because as, you know, we're of the age where like I was a young sixth grader subscribed to Brown's News Illustrated that would get sent across BNI.

Yeah.

And it was BNI.

Did yours always show up like on Monday after the next game?

Well,

I lived on the East Coast.

So, I mean, it was was being sent by sail mail, like a seamail across who knows where.

But yes, like ages later, but like

we go, we go back that far, and like, um, I watched the clip of you with Nathan Zagura when that, the whole Raven situation.

Yeah.

Um,

wow.

Like, because I always felt like you kind of got airdropped into a bit of a depressing scenario and you had to do your best and like times would change, but then suddenly it changed right away.

And like the joy that you two had announcing that, and I'm just fanning out about the Browns like announcing booth concept.

Like I thought I was just like sitting like eight feet away from you in our booth, like our little cubes for the last couple of years, talking early in the early months.

Like the fact that it happened to you is like, it brought me some faith in life that things can just change.

And I'm very happy to see, I was very happy to see that happen to you.

Like, you have all

deserved that.

Yeah.

I appreciate that coming from you and coming from both of you.

As we get all sentimental here,

that picture you guys posted.

Well, first of all, Mark, I'm happy you're kind of back in the Browns fold now.

That means a lot to me.

We got it.

Because like in years past, like the Browns would, you know, I occasionally do stuff for them and I have friends here in the organization where they would send me gear and some of it doesn't fit me because I'm a tiny human.

I'm, I'm, you know, very tiny.

And so I would just leave it on Mark's desk and I would think, is Mark, is Mark going to wear it?

Like, like it just disappears.

Maybe he took it.

Maybe, maybe, maybe the janitor took it.

Is Mark really going to wear Browns stuff?

Anyway, I'm happy you're kind of back in the fold.

And also that picture you posted over the weekend at IG, all of us back in the old Culver City newsroom.

I had a flashback, Mark, to the point.

I remember I was standing over your desk going, come on.

If you draft Manzel and hire Gus Malzahn, this is going to be the most fun team to watch.

I remember that specifically, a Manzel-Malzahn conversation.

And you're like, I don't know, but you're right.

It would be fun.

I recall those.

There we go.

That is the photo.

And the old Culver City newsrooms.

There you go.

We got Sessler, Hansis, the late, great Chris,

Damashek, Jeremiah, and there he is in the back, Andrew Ceciliano.

And then, I believe, the host of Total Access, I think was Lindsay Rose.

I believe Total Access then.

Yeah, it was just out of the shot there.

I'm sure Greg Rosenthal was somewhere in that photo, just out of frame.

There was a lot of talent in that building and made a lot of of fun.

Rosenthal could wear my Browns clothes if he wanted to.

He was the only tiny person.

Yeah, like, so, like, fun fact, we all have the dressing room, the locker room, as we call it.

On days where I would forget a belt, because sometimes you just, you know, you leave the day before wearing the belt that you normally keep at work, and then you get to work the next day.

And you're like, oh my God, I don't have a belt.

I would go to Rosenthal's locker to steal a belt because he was the only tiny human there, much like me, who

I could steal his stuff.

I got a story.

I have a story.

I would do the same with Michael Irvin's locker.

And I don't, we didn't really interact much, but it was like the clothing was just very much the same.

Irv once in the old Culvert left his Hall of Fame jacket in a common area back there, back on the old hallway.

And I had pictures of me walking around the network in Irv's Hall of Fame jacket because he just left it.

I had a

that's very on-brand, it seems.

I had a always scrambling to get to that office

before some taping.

And I remember one day it was halfway to the office and I didn't have, I looked down and I realized I did not have shoes on.

I just had socks on.

I hate when that happens.

And I got to the studio, and I had to be on live TV in like 10 minutes.

And I went into the dressing room, and there's Adam Rank's locker.

And I just grabbed a pair of Rank's shoes, put them on, wore them for

the balance of the day, and then put them back.

And I don't know if I ever told him.

So snitches get stitches.

But I did wear Adam Rank's shoes for an entire afternoon at NFL Media.

Fun fact, I once stole Walt Harris Bears cornerback shoes out of his locker, but that's another story.

He doesn't know that I wore them for a charity game, but that's another story.

There's a good, I tried, I did try to one-up you there, I promise.

But NFL Network,

who was it?

Omar.

Omar Ruiz is there coming to game.

James Palmer lives in Denver.

He was here.

So they're blowing up my phone, trying to get me to come to some bar that's like three miles away, but I have a 6 a.m.

flight.

No, I have a 6 a.m.

flight that ain't going to happen.

Palmer's a fellow underdog team user, so it does not surprise me that that is what he's going for.

Well, he's on his home turf here, so you know, he's

like, Yeah, I was the idiot.

So, I

for years, for years being on the road for Thursday night football, we always had a rule, like the first thing burning Friday morning, you're leaving, right?

Like, get home, get your weekend, get it, like, no matter what time the flight was, 6 a.m., so be it.

We were all on that same flight.

Uh,

and so I was like, yeah, put me on the 6 a.m.

after this one.

You know, it's a six o'clock.

It's a six o'clock mountain kick.

That's easy.

We've got a listener suggesting that you just pull an all nighter.

You just pull an all-nighter, Andrew.

Have you ever been to like Denver?

It's a fun town.

Like, in January, the Browns won.

Yes,

I've been to Denver plenty.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think, and because Andrew is a Browns fan deep in his heart and always will be.

I think if the Browns won today, he's at that bar with Palmer.

And I think so, too.

But instead, it's a whiskey at the hotel and then up to bed, maybe some room service.

It's a sad overpriced Glenn live at 12 on the rocks.

West.

Yeah.

Starwood prices yeah you gotta all right andrew thank you so much for giving us some time and uh a safe journey back uh to our neck of the woods love you uh love you miss you both uh and zeus when you're in the neighborhood give me a call i will i shall and zeus venturing to the hood this coming weekend i am big pete yorn show in uh in uh andrew's neck of the woods so we're going to uh go on a date night all right well not me and andrew my wife and i but andrew gave me a great dinner recommendation and that's what friends do so thank you

you rock out for

the emotion

later and how and how did I repay him for his kindness Mark on the recommendation what all 21st century humans do I asked him to come on the podcast

yeah it's like you gave me great advice I'm gonna ask you for a favor like I'm wait so you are you're saying because I think you're Emily is a delightful hang like you wouldn't the two of you go out with Andrew as a I'm not saying a date, that doesn't make sense, but like, the three of you would just spend

significant time together exploring like a berg, a city.

As always, I don't know where you're leading this.

Well, no, because you know, you just mentioned, like, oh, you're like, you, Harlow.

You went out of your way to clarify that, like, it was not.

Sex addiction.

We had a problem with sex.

Sexy.

Sex addiction or something?

I am sort of saying it's just, it would be friendship.

Like, the three of you could, you could form a, you could become better friends.

I don't think that at all.

I think you've watched a lot of Cinemax movies at 2 a.m.

in 1994, is what I think.

That's not untrue, but that's the thing.

Well, that's your theory.

We're at the point of the show where I'm not even, we're just Justin's just inserting my voice.

He wants this to be over.

It's just he wants this to be over.

Yeah.

It's time to shut it down.

This has reached new levels of absurdity.

It has.

Thank you to everybody

for tuning in.

This week we have a fun, a fun little

pivot for our midweek show.

So make sure you come check in.

We'll have two special guests joining us.

And then, you know, the rest of it as we head towards week 14, as we put the close on week 13, it keeps going and going and going.

And it is true, like, very cool to see Andrew, the voice of the Browns.

What a dream.

And again, Mark, you and I doing this together, doing the show that we love with all these people live with us, enjoying the company together.

This is what it's all about.

We're very lucky.

It feels right.

That moment felt right with Andrew.

We've all come from places that we can still appreciate, but we're on to new places.

And that begins tomorrow with our next show.

They just don't end.

We just keep going.

There are no reverse gears in this tank.

So until next time, you must do what you must do.

Heed the call.