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Speaker 9 Today, we celebrate the beginning of the holiday season with macy's thanksgiving day parade oh what a day in dallas this sunny thanksgiving macy's thanksgiving day parade thanksgiving on melmeck wasn't called thanksgiving

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Speaker 12 Hello, friends.

Speaker 13 It's that special time of year

Speaker 14 when we all come together as one

Speaker 16 and celebrate family, friendship.

Speaker 18 Yes, it's the heed the call

Speaker 19 Thanksgiving special.

Speaker 13 Who's sitting at the table 2025?

Speaker 13 Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler, Connor Orr,

Speaker 22 Justin Graver on the ones and twos, all of us wearing our Thanksgiving Thursday best.

Speaker 23 How you doing, Mark?

Speaker 5 I'm doing great. What a celebratory

Speaker 5 time of year and a really a signature event. And

Speaker 5 that beautiful intro there made me feel something. There was some nostalgia attached to that.
Just a wonderful way to kick off the show.

Speaker 24 Yes, Connor.

Speaker 25 Well, you said to wear the best thing that you had, and I was just explaining to Mark, like, in order to get down here, I had to put the baby down, put the kids in front of, like, the right movie.

Speaker 25 And the hardest part of this was finding a sweater that I thought was nice enough to come on the program. And all of you look like you just bought and sold drugs.
So I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 28 What is that supposed to mean?

Speaker 29 What is the meaning of that?

Speaker 30 Sessler's wearing his

Speaker 31 white sweater.

Speaker 18 He doesn't wear that often.

Speaker 33 It's a special occasion.

Speaker 35 This is a button-up shirt.

Speaker 22 You know, when you make that mistake, when you buy a shirt and you liked it when you bought it, and then after I wore it once, I was like, why did I buy an orange shirt?

Speaker 38 Like, this is a stupid looking shirt.

Speaker 33 And now it stays in the closet because it was kind of expensive.

Speaker 20 And then I was like, well, it's autumnal and it comes out for, you know, maybe an October situation.

Speaker 33 We go to an October fest, maybe Thanksgiving.

Speaker 38 So it was all well thought out. Justin looks like he's the big Lebowski.

Speaker 8 Right, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 25 He's the hardest to defend out of the world.

Speaker 18 Justin went to the wall here for this.

Speaker 42 What are we talking about?

Speaker 43 I'm wearing a nice brown.

Speaker 43 Brown is an autumn color sweater with a little cardigan.

Speaker 44 It has like little

Speaker 43 flowery leaf type.

Speaker 5 I mean, to Connor's point, Dan, if I recall, the text said, go dig out a sweater, each of you. And so you did, you did go.
It was a little bit of an end round here on your part.

Speaker 5 I think what you're wearing is very Thanksgiving.

Speaker 23 Do we have to do this?

Speaker 45 I mean, you were the guy that didn't even remember us talking about the Broncos as a team of HTC.

Speaker 15 I doubt you're going to recall exactly what the text was.

Speaker 5 I do recall the Broncos thing. I just, that was more your

Speaker 5 campaign. That's for another day.

Speaker 48 Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 41 Men ellipses.

Speaker 33 If you have a nice Thanksgiving shirt/slash sweater to wear, that would be nice.

Speaker 30 So stick it it up your old kista.

Speaker 30 Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Speaker 24 All right. And it wouldn't be this great tradition.

Speaker 52 And this was my, I got to be real.

Speaker 34 You know, launching this show as a humble, independent podcast.

Speaker 56 The first year is a scary and challenging and exhilarating in some ways

Speaker 36 time to try to find your feet and

Speaker 33 try to achieve full flight and give the people what they want and heed the call coming after on the heels of the ATN era.

Speaker 22 It was this episode one year ago, the Thanksgiving table episode, where I said, okay, I see this.

Speaker 56 And

Speaker 22 the main reason that happened is the fourth person or the fifth person that will join us to decide who will be at the table. Let's welcome him in.

Speaker 40 I think you know who I'm talking about.

Speaker 40 Maybe the most important figure in NFL media when it comes to this particular holiday, Dave Damashik.

Speaker 42 I think that's Dave.

Speaker 46 Oh, look at that.

Speaker 51 what a reveal

Speaker 10 I want more stuffing I want stuffing on every menu 365 listen I didn't enjoy the acrimony that opened this show let's just go around the reel the wheel very quickly sure Mark Sessler appears to be involved in a remake of Downhill Racer too soon after the passing of Bob Redford Hanzeus looks like he's wearing a picnic blanket and extra extra kind of oil is ready to talk about the bird.

Speaker 59 Only Justin Graver has risen to the occasion with that tremendous open.

Speaker 51 Only,

Speaker 59 and by the way, I'm wearing a sweater.

Speaker 12 No, Dave's like, oh man, Gen X, we're the best generation.

Speaker 18 We're slackers.

Speaker 60 Like, okay, cool, we get it.

Speaker 15 Nice, cool sweater.

Speaker 59 It's a sweater. It's a sweater.

Speaker 49 Your generation is so disaffected.

Speaker 59 All right, no, no hat.

Speaker 10 If you don't want a hat, Connor Orr takes the award for best hat. Why would I try to compete? But then again, Dan, you always win for better hair at this point.

Speaker 62 Well, thanks.

Speaker 10 Back in my days, though, back in my prime, I had a mane.

Speaker 45 You're holding up very well, Dave.

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Speaker 65 Why do they hate each other?

Speaker 51 But you know what?

Speaker 60 And I don't want to, you're right, Dave.

Speaker 18 I don't want to have acrimony, but isn't that also this time of year authentic?

Speaker 33 Because when you put people together under the same roof, especially in these times, Dave,

Speaker 26 where everything seems so fractured and divided, that's going to come out a little bit.

Speaker 4 But hopefully you balance that bitter with the sweet.

Speaker 10 Well, yeah, I agree. And that's why I got drunk beforehand.

Speaker 59 But also,

Speaker 10 we can try and pretend there's no acrimony, but as we've seen multiple times this holiday season already, football players are spitting on each other. I know Connor Orr is cool with that, but still.

Speaker 10 I saw the piece. I saw the piece, Orr.
I saw it.

Speaker 50 Enabler.

Speaker 25 It amazes me that everybody here is more okay with getting their spinal cords injured, getting punched in the face, or getting their legs broken and inhibiting their ability to take care of their family than to get a little bit of spit on them.

Speaker 25 Like, that's insane to me.

Speaker 33 I can't believe it.

Speaker 67 That's a Connor taste.

Speaker 10 This is your take.

Speaker 10 What, like, perfect.

Speaker 42 All right, very quickly, okay?

Speaker 47 Yeah, real quick.

Speaker 68 We got a lot to get to, Connor. Go ahead.

Speaker 25 Jamar Chase got a one-game suspension, okay, for

Speaker 25 spitting on Jalen Ramsey. Also, someone who got a one-game suspension, Nigel Bradham of the Eagles was unhappy with the speed of service at the hotel that he was at.

Speaker 25 So he closed fist punched the bellhop in the face and could have killed him. And so we're saying that like a little extra oxyclean on a jersey is equivalent to attempted murder.

Speaker 27 Okay. I don't even know how to answer any of this.

Speaker 38 This is insane.

Speaker 60 It's a bulletproof tape. That's why.

Speaker 8 There's something.

Speaker 28 And that's a crazy story.

Speaker 13 I'm going to look that up after the show.

Speaker 22 There is a sense of disrespect.

Speaker 38 Like if you were watching WWF and Jake the Snake did that to Macho Man, Vince McMahon would go, that is a disgusting act.

Speaker 49 Like, there's something disrespectful about it.

Speaker 17 You know what I mean? Like, that's what it is.

Speaker 15 It's not just about the saliva itself.

Speaker 5 It's a lack of class, yes.

Speaker 31 Dignity.

Speaker 25 It's good to have Vince McMahon as the arbiter of what's appropriate in any situation. But

Speaker 25 I'm just going to close the loop with this. Like, why aren't we more outraged about, like, for example, Bounty Gate?

Speaker 25 Like, this is a guy trying to injure another player and ruin his career and garnish his wages.

Speaker 5 Weren't we not, as a collective, pretty outraged about that? I mean, I recall there being a lot of

Speaker 8 terrorism.

Speaker 59 Spinning has been equaled.

Speaker 26 We're butter knifing this one a little bit.

Speaker 22 It's a classic Connor butter knife here.

Speaker 72 The equivocation.

Speaker 73 All right.

Speaker 31 But okay, cool.

Speaker 33 Check out Connor.

Speaker 20 Everything he writes at SI is gold.

Speaker 35 And he's going to be at the table.

Speaker 70 We're all going to be at the table.

Speaker 39 And if you missed last year's episode, what we're doing here,

Speaker 27 we are looking at this 2025 NFL season so far as we enter week 12, just a week away from the real Thanksgiving, and we're going to build out a table of NFL figures that

Speaker 55 we think really will make the holiday sing.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 22 I'll track the names, and we're also going to draw it right now.

Speaker 22 And we'll figure out where everyone's sitting, who's at the head of the table.

Speaker 32 Is there a kids' table?

Speaker 34 I don't know.

Speaker 60 We'll figure it all out, but there are going to be, we're going to do three each.

Speaker 63 12.

Speaker 36 And let's let's get into it.

Speaker 37 Mark, why don't you get us going?

Speaker 35 Is that a smart idea?

Speaker 44 Are you going to bat lead off here?

Speaker 5 I don't know if it's a smart idea, but I accept the challenge. All right, go ahead.

Speaker 3 Get us going.

Speaker 5 You know, I don't think that any women were involved in last year's cast and crew, if I recall. Somehow invited Justin Tucker, so that's on our record.
But I think someone that's created quite a stir.

Speaker 55 We'll edit that out of the last year's show.

Speaker 75 For sure.

Speaker 5 Created a stir, I think, and it's proven to show results. I'm inviting Carly Ursa Gordon to the table because I think she brings some energy.
She's a little fiery.

Speaker 5 Let's get some drinks in her and just see what sort of, you know, whatever her show would be, I want to be there for it. So that's the person I'm picking as my number one.

Speaker 24 God, I love it, Mark.

Speaker 36 Can I just say that she was on my list too? But I was going to lay out because I know that Carly is someone that you connect with.

Speaker 20 I'm going to go as far as saying

Speaker 69 that,

Speaker 27 and this might get me on the cover of Feminist of the Week for an unprecedented fifth time this season, but I think Carly sits at the head of the table.

Speaker 56 She's going to say grace.

Speaker 22 Remember, Andy Reid was last year.

Speaker 34 This is the person that will cut the bird.

Speaker 68 She'll drink four glasses of wine.

Speaker 22 She'll absolutely drive conversation.

Speaker 4 She's capable, confident, not afraid to roll up her sleeves and do the dirty work.

Speaker 36 You know, screw the patriarchy, meet your daddy.

Speaker 55 It's the cult CEO.

Speaker 36 And yes, Mark, you can sit next to her.

Speaker 5 Just be cool. I feel good that I didn't disappoint you with that pick.
That honestly feels good.

Speaker 37 I love that pick.

Speaker 18 Anybody else's thoughts on Carly?

Speaker 35 And are you okay with her at the head of the table? We can move it.

Speaker 24 We have time.

Speaker 35 We're not going to let anybody know in real time.

Speaker 13 We'll get the list settled and the table settled and then send out the mass text.

Speaker 10 I would just like to wait out declaring it's your family meal, but I'd rather wait out to see who deserves head of the table.

Speaker 10 If you want to establish that right out of the gate, I'm going to nominate her.

Speaker 12 How about that?

Speaker 67 Is that fair?

Speaker 31 Okay. Yes.

Speaker 31 All right. Great.

Speaker 67 All right. That's great.

Speaker 77 Okay.

Speaker 54 So we'll go next.

Speaker 26 This was.

Speaker 10 And by the way, imagine the

Speaker 10 less than traditional path that led them to the now superstar named Indiana Jones. You know, that alone will make her a fascinating tablemate for Thanksgiving to hear.
How did you arrive at this?

Speaker 10 Everybody else thought he was done except you. Explain.

Speaker 31 That'll be fun.

Speaker 35 And I think they had a clip coming out of a commercial break.

Speaker 70 They played in Munich, I believe.

Speaker 27 And she was at a local bar there in Deutschland, just pouring drafts and handing them out to the people.

Speaker 26 I think she'd be fun company.

Speaker 68 It all kind of lines up.

Speaker 5 Now, she did the thing where she bought the entire bar beer.

Speaker 15 I mean, she's dad was a famous racing tour.

Speaker 37 I think it's in her, right?

Speaker 35 So feeling really good about that. One.

Speaker 33 Next one, Dave.

Speaker 18 This one's for you.

Speaker 57 I love you, Dave.

Speaker 40 You know how important

Speaker 52 you are to us.

Speaker 37 You are the pod father.

Speaker 74 Forget about Simmons.

Speaker 20 It's Damashek. Go do the research.

Speaker 50 Exactly.

Speaker 38 Do the research in that the Damashek pod family tree dwarfs Bill Walsh or any of these other pricks.

Speaker 61 I mean, this is so.

Speaker 39 So this is a straight respect to Dave and Chuck.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but different than Bill Walsh and all the other people you might invoke here. They're all in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 51 Right.

Speaker 10 I'm sitting in a spare room.

Speaker 8 You have to retire hot fast because of these lights.

Speaker 38 You have to retire or die, and then the five-year period will toll, and you'll get in.

Speaker 44 I think you will. Okay.

Speaker 10 Thank you.

Speaker 17 Anyway, shout out to Dave.

Speaker 27 And as a result, you need a fun uncle

Speaker 58 at these proceedings.

Speaker 55 And I got somebody who's jovial.

Speaker 13 He's got a ton of stories. If you can remember him, he's getting a little forgetful, it seems.
He's pure Americana.

Speaker 75 That's what this is all about.

Speaker 58 He's going to be half in the bag before he even gets to the house.

Speaker 13 check is going to be adorable around him ladies and gentlemen terry bradshaw oh come on down oh

Speaker 7 surprised me there

Speaker 40 i mean i didn't know where we were going i mean terry rolls in terry's gonna be wearing you know like a a flannel shirt with a vest over it his little cap

Speaker 14 And this guy, to me, he evokes everything that Thanksgiving in America is. And another guy, if he can remember them, great stories.
Check.

Speaker 10 Oh, absolutely no doubt. With a sprinkling, and frankly, I don't mean to derail.

Speaker 10 I have had more than enough of him going on and on decades now after he retired about how it turns out he didn't really like Chuck Noll.

Speaker 10 No one else on the team associated with Chuck Noll

Speaker 10 can provide any

Speaker 10 confirmation of Terry Bradshaw's apparent emotional abuse at the hands of Chuck Noll, but he goes on and on about that. But yes, I agree with you.

Speaker 10 One of the great thrills I ever had was I did a bit on the Kimmel show way back

Speaker 10 in which I played the worst comedian of all. It was a real reach for me, as you can imagine.

Speaker 10 I played the worst, worst stand-up comedian in the world, and I intentionally told terrible jokes that derailed themselves. And at the end, and the point was to have tomatoes thrown at me.

Speaker 10 And then Terry Bradshaw, who was the guest, I went over to the panel right after. He's like, I don't care what you were doing.
I thought that was funny.

Speaker 8 Completely missed the point, Terry.

Speaker 26 okay um awesome all right so you're happy with that and i'm happy to sit you right next to him you could even reminisce about your days on jimmy kim alive um

Speaker 33 all right good let's keep moving anybody else any terry takes are we okay with terry there because yeah okay good I feel like just a strong, it's like a lock solid.

Speaker 26 You put him in the lineup, you bat him fifth, and he's going to hit 270 with 31 bombs, 94 RBIs, get on base, and be a good locker room guy.

Speaker 24 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 He's more, I think he'd be a joy in person, much more than he is as an analyst on that 18-person studio show.

Speaker 20 Don't get me started on it, Sheck.

Speaker 40 I had a bit of a rant on that Fox show, what they do to Gronk, because they're grooming Gronk to replace Terry as the dumb guy.

Speaker 37 Yep.

Speaker 34 And it's like Stray Hand and all these other assholes just like kind of, he can't get a word out of his mouth without someone jumping in to just bury his ass.

Speaker 37 Terry can't read a teleprompter. We know.

Speaker 30 Just stop asking him to do it.

Speaker 8 Oh, you're doing it because you want him to be dumb.

Speaker 10 Why are they doing? Why are they forcing this poor old man into that spot in which he's clearly not good at doing? And you're absolutely right about Gronk.

Speaker 10 And let's not get into pregame shows because they're an atrocity across the board. I will say about Terry Bradshaw, because of his high-profile post-playing career,

Speaker 10 people do sort of forget the fact. In 1980, he was the greatest quarterback in pro football history.

Speaker 26 I shouldn't have done this.

Speaker 62 I shouldn't have done this. 1978.

Speaker 59 Let me just tell you,

Speaker 10 here's a great bit of trivia if

Speaker 8 people don't know this.

Speaker 10 Super Bowl era trivia.

Speaker 10 Drafted in 1970, his first 300-yard passing game was in 1978, or should I say January of 79 in Super Bowl 13. How crazy is that?

Speaker 69 Dinner conversation.

Speaker 70 All right, Connor, you're up.

Speaker 25 Okay.

Speaker 25 I think anyone who remembers last year knows that I like to kind of do a little bit of world building. You want it to feel authentic.

Speaker 25 You want these people to feel like they belong in your family unit. So just a quick little intro here.
Cousin Skylar, the one who was fired from Hobby Lobby for using racial slurs.

Speaker 25 She's got her own apartment now and met a new man on plenty of fish.

Speaker 5 He's coming.

Speaker 25 He believes his curly hair was caused by chemtrails.

Speaker 25 He'll be wearing a bathing suit bottom and won't have shoes on. Welcome to the table, Mac Hollins.

Speaker 13 Always some curveballs with Connor in this exercise.

Speaker 23 Mac Hollins, take us through it a little bit.

Speaker 25 Well, I just think like

Speaker 25 when you sit down at a Thanksgiving dinner, there's always like the cousin who wants to bring the boyfriend and everyone's just like, well, Jesus, what's this going to look like?

Speaker 25 And, you know, because they're suspicious of the cousin in general. And so, you know, the boyfriend is going to show up and he's going to be wacky as shit, right?

Speaker 17 No shoes.

Speaker 25 There's just, there's just going to be something about him that's just going to make everyone uneasy throughout the entire dinner. And so I think Mac is perfect for this.

Speaker 32 Very nice. Mark, what do you think about that one?

Speaker 20 Look at some pictures of him.

Speaker 26 He looks kind of insane in some of these photos.

Speaker 5 I was going through, based on what Connor's just done,

Speaker 5 and it's on brand. I know that Connor's dealing with the fact that he has an infant child that may wake up at any moment.
So he did a nice job with the intro there.

Speaker 5 I'm looking at last year's list, and it's becoming more crystal clear to me which were the Connor picks.

Speaker 64 All right, Matt Collins, we'll just slot him in somewhere in the middle of the table for now.

Speaker 22 Justin. All right.

Speaker 27 Up next, Dave Demaschuk, your first choice for the team.

Speaker 10 I hate to be per snickety. Can we ask Mac to wear some socks? Some of those nice woolly ones, you know, appropriate for the season.

Speaker 10 The bare feet will put me off for the season.

Speaker 39 Well, I think that's part of it, right? Is being put off.

Speaker 25 And that's why, specifically why Mac is coming because he knew that.

Speaker 39 I'd wear shoes. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Other end of the table for Dave there. I can't be near the feet and eat food at the same time.
I agree.

Speaker 37 I'm a human being.

Speaker 10 Totally.

Speaker 10 All right. You know what? I am going obviously post-shower.

Speaker 10 Jalen Ramsey here because I like people, I guess, sort of like Connor does. I like people who aren't just football players.
I like people who have more colors in their rainbow.

Speaker 10 And I looked this one up because Jalen Ramsey, I learned on Sunday night, is steeped in zoology.

Speaker 10 You know, as everybody, as we're already talking about and everything else, Jamar Chase says he didn't spit on nobody. But then Jalen Ramsey said, oh, no, he did spit on me.

Speaker 10 And I do have to give a quick shout out to Jamar Chase for taking the gamble, for rolling the dice. Like, maybe the cameras didn't catch it.
I'm just going to deny it at this point. Who knows?

Speaker 10 Maybe I'll get away with this.

Speaker 8 Probably had, yeah.

Speaker 10 But then Jalen Ramsey said, spitting on somebody, that's for ps.

Speaker 10 And then I have to look it up.

Speaker 62 And it turns out

Speaker 10 he is a well-rounded man

Speaker 10 because I learned about this.

Speaker 10 I went into the AI.

Speaker 10 Bengal tigers are a part of what's called the Philidae. It's the family of mammals in the order Carnivora, colloquially referred to as cats or pussies.

Speaker 8 Ah, so there you go.

Speaker 10 So Jalen Ramsey is a wealth of information inside the lines and outside.

Speaker 47 We'll learn about animals.

Speaker 10 Maybe he'll tell us a sad story about turkeys.

Speaker 70 A learned man.

Speaker 31 That's right.

Speaker 70 I like that.

Speaker 33 And you know what? He's going to have, that's in the current events right now, right?

Speaker 54 So you're going to have that element of it too.

Speaker 39 And Terry talking about the old days

Speaker 64 and Jalen talking about the modern era.

Speaker 54 I'm into it.

Speaker 27 This is 2025 football mark. A lot of spitting stuff.

Speaker 5 It's yeah, it's contemporary. The conversation already feels like it could read hit fever pitch territory, depending on where people are set.

Speaker 27 Let's put Jalen next to Terry for the time being.

Speaker 24 And let's take a break and then we'll continue to build out our Thanksgiving Day table.

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Speaker 23 All right, we are back. Yes, Thanksgiving.

Speaker 23 It's the holiday where Jim Nance takes his single bed and his wife takes her single bed.

Speaker 18 They push them together

Speaker 69 and they make sweet, sweet love.

Speaker 31 Hello, Trudeau.

Speaker 62 It's the fan-induced love meet, the most vigorous of of all.

Speaker 60 Get those beds together.

Speaker 23 And then as soon as you're done, separate.

Speaker 76 Welcome back. Round two.

Speaker 10 Romo stumbles in. He starts making love to the wife.

Speaker 46 Like, what are you doing, dog?

Speaker 51 I don't know where I am.

Speaker 40 All right.

Speaker 39 Round two, Mark Sessler.

Speaker 5 Okay, I think

Speaker 5 with this one, I'm thinking about who I want to have like nine beers with as the food is being served. And I think a very solid candidate who also

Speaker 5 I think if you triggered him the wrong way, he's the guy that might get in a fight with someone verbally that creates hurt and a lasting scar at the table. That's part of the whole thing.
Mike Rabel.

Speaker 5 This is a big,

Speaker 5 burly, beautiful beer-drinking guy who was, I think, at a time in his life where he's probably never felt more joy and happiness for the future.

Speaker 5 So, I don't know what we're going to get when we lather him up. He's a bit of a mystery, he's a bit of a verbalist.

Speaker 5 Um, I think he could do anything, and I think that's why I'm attracted to the idea of Mike Rabel at the table.

Speaker 40 That's a great one.

Speaker 26 Check at our days at NFL Media, our shared days, and we spent many years there.

Speaker 54 We went to many events.

Speaker 64 One of my favorite events was the NFL Scouting Combine, because a lot of these figures, the coaches, GMs, et cetera,

Speaker 68 the owner,

Speaker 36 if you run the Raiders, get get really loose, and you'll see things that you don't expect to see.

Speaker 22 One was Rex Ryan holding court at that burger joint.

Speaker 35 What was the fast food burger joint that everyone went to late at night?

Speaker 47 Shake shacks. Steak shake.

Speaker 10 Nope, steak and shack.

Speaker 30 Steak and shake, was it? Steak and shake.

Speaker 31 Stake shake, steak and shake.

Speaker 10 Bob Night's favorite restaurant, famously.

Speaker 83 Hollering, buying burgers, shakes for everybody.

Speaker 38 The incident of Mike Vrabel screaming at an unnamed person in a taxicab, slamming the door shut, and then making his way to St.

Speaker 22 Elmo in the direction of St.

Speaker 36 Elmo is something that sticks with me.

Speaker 15 He's a guy that will get loose.

Speaker 10 There's no Mark Sanchez

Speaker 10 without that incident proceeding.

Speaker 59 And of course, I remember

Speaker 59 that.

Speaker 40 Almost kill a driver of a truck.

Speaker 10 I remember in the old Shula's steak restaurant that was in the hotel that we would all stay in, and pretty much it felt like all luminaries were staying in, and us.

Speaker 10 I don't mean to suggest we're luminaries. But

Speaker 10 I remember Belichick and his son with the mullet and Mike Lombardi. Yes, and Mike Lombardi all sitting there long neck after long neck and like, wow, they must really be getting trucked.

Speaker 10 And I couldn't help but admire the star of all, even though Belichick was sitting there, was Lombardi's hat. Where does he get those

Speaker 10 wonderful hats, those here suit brown hats that he wears every time? They're wonderful.

Speaker 38 You mean the general manager of UNC football?

Speaker 8 That's the one. The one that uses a typewriter? typewriter?

Speaker 31 You're sitting.

Speaker 31 All right.

Speaker 40 I'll go next. I like Rabel.

Speaker 60 Good. He's got, oh, shoot.

Speaker 45 We're getting a little low at the fireplace with wood.

Speaker 37 Send Vrabel out there and chop some damn wood.

Speaker 31 He'll bring back trees down.

Speaker 32 Big old bundle.

Speaker 33 All right,

Speaker 33 my next one.

Speaker 20 Quick Hollywood story here.

Speaker 22 I don't have as many as I bet Dave does.

Speaker 17 He's got John Hamm on his show.

Speaker 83 He's in that fantasy league with Kimmel and all his buddies.

Speaker 32 He's worked.

Speaker 76 And late night, I got a few.

Speaker 65 Lived in Hollywood for a little while.

Speaker 83 Years ago, my buddy Bob and I were invited to the house of a prominent television actor to watch football with his celebrity friends.

Speaker 16 To this day, I can recall Demi Moore leaning into my person to share her fantasy football starting lineup.

Speaker 75 It was wild.

Speaker 22 Anyway, at one point, the wife of the host of this gathering walks into the living room and sits down on the couch beside her husband.

Speaker 13 She's wearing full horseback riding gear.

Speaker 4 The breeches, the white shirt. Whoa.

Speaker 83 In my mind, she was wearing the helmet thing and carrying the beating the horse stick, but probably not, but that's how I pictured it.

Speaker 63 And

Speaker 22 then she sits down, and in the next 15 minutes, she just sat amongst the group, dead silent, totally vacant stare.

Speaker 55 Totally absent, even though she was there.

Speaker 20 Eventually, she got up and walked away, legitimately disturbed by the incident.

Speaker 35 Anyway,

Speaker 22 let's welcome Aaron Rodgers and his mystery wife.

Speaker 51 Both!

Speaker 10 So we only need one seat, in other words.

Speaker 49 Yeah, let's get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 54 Justin, we'll set up the chair, but we'll see what, like, what lengths he'll go to.

Speaker 22 He'll probably come down, I would think, Aaron, with a stomach virus the morning of or something.

Speaker 33 Because I think, Dave, are you of a similar mind that this

Speaker 26 screams publicity?

Speaker 38 This screams there is no woman, or do you think there is a similar figure?

Speaker 10 I find it

Speaker 10 weird, but I also can't go as far as that she's made, that this is a Mantai Teo situation or anything adjacent to it, because why?

Speaker 10 What is the gain for him?

Speaker 10 That's the question.

Speaker 62 I keep hearing this screen.

Speaker 10 To what end?

Speaker 18 I would say, I'll offer this.

Speaker 55 Connor, I don't know what you think, but like

Speaker 12 maybe as far as a guy who pretends like he doesn't like publicity and being in the different gossip rags and this and that, he actually loves it.

Speaker 69 He thrives off it.

Speaker 63 And what better way to get into it and say, Aaron Rodgers has finally tied the knot and then not maybe thinking out the long game that he might get invited to a fake Thanksgiving dinner, for instance.

Speaker 25 I mean, we all know that this is chat GBT, right? And that there are people who have fallen in love with them and you have to be careful because they run out of memory and then they crash.

Speaker 25 So your entire relationship just evaporates um you just you just have to watch that but yeah i i um i wonder about that with aaron very much i like that connor just sums it up that we all know it's chat gpt

Speaker 5 like

Speaker 5 the one thing at this table it's it's probably going to be an empty seat like you said a place setting for jesus in certain households like you know i'm not sure she's gonna make the uh human appearance here yeah Dan, do you suppose that Aaron

Speaker 10 saw this? This was the reclamation project? I have to get the stink of the Jets off me, so I'm going to go to the Steelers for a real farewell, a bomb voyage to pro football forever.

Speaker 10 Do you think he anticipated in November half of the pro football town calling for Mason Rudolph over him?

Speaker 10 Do you think that provides a good conclusion to his Hall of Fame career?

Speaker 44 I'm not so sure.

Speaker 73 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Is that the energy of the Steelers? I know the Steelers fans are in a weird spot because everybody wants Tomlin out.

Speaker 33 And I feel like, not to get too sidetracked, but I feel like Rodgers more or less has given them exactly what, if you watched Aaron Rodgers last year, he's more or less given you, given them what to expect.

Speaker 33 You protect him.

Speaker 39 He's still got great accuracy.

Speaker 33 He could zip the ball in there.

Speaker 56 He can't move anymore.

Speaker 38 There's always a risk that he gets injured.

Speaker 22 And sure enough, now he's dealing with this wrist injury.

Speaker 27 And we'll see what's going on with that.

Speaker 34 I feel like, what were they expecting?

Speaker 22 I think it was like they were expecting maybe, or people are expecting, to tie it back to the Jets, like the FU.

Speaker 20 Look how stupid the Jets are. Look at Brett Favre going going to the NFC title game with the Vikings.

Speaker 29 But Rodgers is just, he's an old man.

Speaker 10 He's old. I mean, if you anticipated him being a difference maker week to week in a positive way, then that's on you.

Speaker 28 And he's much better than Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 12 So, you know, shut up about Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 60 How many years talk about Mason Rudolph?

Speaker 10 I don't know. At this 41-year-old Aaron Rodgers versus Mason Rudolph, I don't think

Speaker 10 it's that distinct a difference.

Speaker 69 Who do they have this weekend?

Speaker 10 I don't know. The Chicago Bills.

Speaker 37 Yeah, do you think they have a better chance to win with Mason Rudolph via banged up Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 10 Well, he has, I think, a broken wrist, a left wrist. He already was.

Speaker 10 I think if you've been watching the games the last month or at least, or maybe even since the start of the season, as an old man is inclined to do, he understands his mortality better than a 22-year-old does.

Speaker 10 And so he has been prioritizing not getting smacked like Tom Brady did and Peyton did and all old guys did

Speaker 10 before him. And now he has a lot.

Speaker 10 That was before he had a broken wrist. How do you think he's going to play now if he has to fend off a guy charging hard at him? What do you think his reaction is going to be?

Speaker 10 Throw the ball away before anybody comes within 10 feet.

Speaker 21 Or that late period Peyton Manning move where the pass rush would get to him and he goes,

Speaker 8 just stump to the ground.

Speaker 56 All right, so Aaron and his mystery woman.

Speaker 21 Up next, Connor, who are we adding?

Speaker 29 Okay.

Speaker 25 So again, kind of back to a familiar situation

Speaker 25 at everyone's Thanksgiving table. I think everybody likes weaponizing small talk in an effort to determine deeply personal information about a deviant friend or relative, like, I don't know,

Speaker 25 pending paternity suits. So I invite Stefan Diggs to the table.

Speaker 3 Hey.

Speaker 82 Is it?

Speaker 23 That's a great one.

Speaker 22 Diggs is going to mix things up.

Speaker 82 I want, is it true?

Speaker 13 Was this just like bullshit internet stuff?

Speaker 18 Or

Speaker 22 does he have four women

Speaker 76 impregnated at the same time, right?

Speaker 3 That's true.

Speaker 82 Is that actually true?

Speaker 79 That's the

Speaker 25 way of this entire thing.

Speaker 39 Yeah, so I hope it's true.

Speaker 23 That is, I mean, that's impressive.

Speaker 5 It's very impressive. It's four buns in the oven.
I don't know how you juggle it responsibility-wise, other than

Speaker 33 the famous pop star Cardi B, right?

Speaker 10 Yep.

Speaker 37 How does she feel about that? I don't know.

Speaker 18 These are questions I would love.

Speaker 24 Put me next to.

Speaker 12 Exactly.

Speaker 25 Like, how much fun would that be when

Speaker 25 you're just kind of making your way through a little broccoli and cheese casserole? And you're like, so tell me about the third time you decided to do this.

Speaker 70 Here's another movie.

Speaker 54 I shared on the Monday show that Deb Hans is my mom.

Speaker 22 At the end of Thanksgiving dinner, out comes the little turkey ceramic plate and it's those little Andy's chocolates, the green chocolates.

Speaker 69 And that's like, that's it.

Speaker 74 It's a coffee, and then you have your Andy's, and then it's a wrap.

Speaker 16 We'll have a ceramic dish for digs, just all like magnums.

Speaker 34 It's like, hey, we're not going to say anything.

Speaker 33 There's no judgment.

Speaker 37 Some profits. We get it.
We get it.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 10 We get it. All right.
I used the phrase last,

Speaker 10 earlier in this show, ironically, I said, make love. But I asked the question last week on my show, and I take it to you guys now.

Speaker 10 Has any guy ever, even though we were all informed were guys of a certain age, movies and TV shows when we were growing up, they couldn't say like, you know, do it or screw or whatever they might say.

Speaker 10 So it was always like, let's make love. Do you think any guy has ever said unironically let's make love

Speaker 31 no our love making session last night was splendid

Speaker 30 baby graver graver once

Speaker 43 no sweater says ironically

Speaker 8 definitely ironically but not unironically

Speaker 22 do you know what's one thing some parlance for for SEX that's um I don't know why I spelled it out that has disappeared from the culture from like the 90s for instance Nobody says, I slept with her anymore, or we slept together.

Speaker 31 You don't hear that anymore.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's gone.

Speaker 45 It just got wiped.

Speaker 30 And it was kind of the classy way to, we slept together.

Speaker 29 Does that not mean anything to you?

Speaker 16 Like, not anymore.

Speaker 49 I don't know what replaced it.

Speaker 10 Well, I'll tell you what replace. Yeah, but also, but we fooled around is too glib.
Make love a little intense and weird, but now on the other side, fooled around.

Speaker 8 And also

Speaker 31 we hooked up.

Speaker 53 Yeah. Hooked up.

Speaker 26 So like fooled around kind of replaced, slept with in the mid to late 90s, and then hooked up replaced fooled around.

Speaker 36 I don't know, like, maybe there's a new one out there, right?

Speaker 31 I just want to guarantee you,

Speaker 10 it's a powerful experience.

Speaker 59 There's no fooling around when Damashek's involved.

Speaker 46 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 18 Remember, we saw Damashek do stand-up?

Speaker 5 I was just going to say,

Speaker 18 was it the comedy store or is it Dave Prime?

Speaker 5 And you were opening for

Speaker 31 another

Speaker 5 for Adam Rank, and you you went up there and completely stole the show with a story of, I believe, swimming in the sea and then making sweet love to your wife at the time.

Speaker 74 Now, there was a line that Jack had in it.

Speaker 68 I don't know if you remember this act, Jack, but you were like, I was fully prone over my wife or something.

Speaker 24 You said prone, and I was like, this is insane.

Speaker 37 vocabulary.

Speaker 10 Yeah, well, the water, some people, including me, as it turns out, can hold sea water

Speaker 10 in their

Speaker 10 nasal cavity or whatever. And I didn't know that.
And then several hours later, I was in the more passive lovemaking role. And then I took the position of the aggressor.
And when I did,

Speaker 10 the contents of the sea held within my notes filed all over.

Speaker 28 This is not Thanksgiving table talk.

Speaker 31 Get the Andes out of here.

Speaker 44 All right.

Speaker 20 See, that's what, but when you bring digs, it brings this element of raw sexuality into the room.

Speaker 8 That's it. This guy.

Speaker 42 It's a good dress. You're welcome.

Speaker 74 You're welcome. All right.
Up next, Sheck.

Speaker 10 I'm going to go with George Pickens here because I have to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 10 You know, I've heard the anecdotes that he's such a pain in the ass that a pro football team had to get away with him despite the obvious

Speaker 10 talent that he has been showing in Dallas and he showed in his previous pro football town. They had to trade him away.
He was too much. You can't win with a guy like that.

Speaker 10 Never mind that that same team brought in Darius Lay and Aaron Rodgers and a bunch of other guys who are renowned for getting along with everybody that they come in contact with.

Speaker 10 But George Pickens, I want to get to the bottom of how he is because I need to understand famously every team that's ever won a title in sports and the history of people, everybody on those teams always gets along beautifully.

Speaker 10 So I really want to see just how bad an age is George Pickens.

Speaker 41 It must burn you up, Sheck, to see him.

Speaker 85 It makes me sick in my balls.

Speaker 58 And not just kicking ass, but the old rival Cowboys, the great rivals of the 70s and early 80s, Dallas, Pittsburgh, and now he's going off for like 11 for 154 and a touch in Monday Night Football.

Speaker 10 Dave was right about everything. Dave has been right about everything two seasons going now about exactly how these unsatisfying seasons have unfolded.

Speaker 22 You know, one thing you're not going to be right about, Shaq, because I was on your great program over in the Lebatard universe, Football America, and you like to predict the season total, win total for the Steelers.

Speaker 34 And I remember you came in higher than I thought.

Speaker 64 I think you said 11 and 6.

Speaker 62 Yeah, I am going to be wrong about that.

Speaker 34 I don't think they're getting there.

Speaker 10 I think nine is probably where they realistically, they need to beat the Bears or they're going to this Sunday. Or if you look through the record, there are surprises on either side of things.

Speaker 10 I think that they're going to shake out at nine and eight if they don't go to this a big one.

Speaker 10 I know that we could play that game every week, that the next game is the biggest, but really, they kind of have to have it. They're going to lose at Detroit.

Speaker 10 They have the Bills, they have the Ravens twice.

Speaker 22 So, I like there's an explosive element here, Connor, now, of multiple Diva wide receivers at the same table.

Speaker 25 Yeah, yeah, we're loading it up. I was concerned about that at the beginning, but I think it is now, it's not a glitch, it's a benefit.

Speaker 5 It feels like our presence could fade quickly into the distance at this table based on the kids' table.

Speaker 47 Yeah, we're just gonna end up at the kids' table.

Speaker 31 Yeah, we're at the kids' table.

Speaker 16 All right, one more time around the horn, Ceci.

Speaker 5 Man, I put together a big list here.

Speaker 5 I'm going to go friend of the show,

Speaker 5 Amy Adams Strunk.

Speaker 5 We love her.

Speaker 5 This is a woman that, not unlike Terry Bradshaw, is going to, based on what I sense about her, show up like seven sheets of the wind.

Speaker 5 And, you know, I love the idea of another female presence with a strong personality and a drinking problem.

Speaker 46 We'll sit her.

Speaker 5 She won't even know what seat she's in, but we'll plop her down somewhere and just let her wax poetic as she does down in her little southern home.

Speaker 13 Oh, baby, we are in lockstep, Sassy, because I also had Strunko.

Speaker 55 I love the holidays, it gives us reason to celebrate the finer things in life.

Speaker 8 Give me a piece of that cone.

Speaker 31 I want that cone pie.

Speaker 71 Ooh, is that pecan pie?

Speaker 74 Put some extra whipped cream on that for me.

Speaker 8 Sugar.

Speaker 5 Sit her down next to Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 47 Oh, that is awesome.

Speaker 8 Well, calm down there.

Speaker 77 Be careful.

Speaker 31 All right.

Speaker 33 That was mine too.

Speaker 31 So actually,

Speaker 60 we doubled up.

Speaker 33 Do I need to add someone?

Speaker 76 I'm not going to.

Speaker 24 I think we'll be a little more intimate in the table.

Speaker 26 So let's move straight now to Connor.

Speaker 44 Okay.

Speaker 25 For for my last one,

Speaker 25 everyone has that cousin who says he's air quotes basically an Army Ranger, but in reality was just force-passed through Eagle Scouts and wears a lot of camo.

Speaker 25 So we need an NFL player who kind of says he's a quarterback, but we all know what's going on.

Speaker 17 And that's JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 25 Welcome, nine, to the table.

Speaker 51 We get nine.

Speaker 7 Hello.

Speaker 49 Yeah, McCarthy strikes me as a stolen valor kind of guy, you know?

Speaker 55 A little bit.

Speaker 18 Wow, I'm so great.

Speaker 31 This is also this is shek like the the 23 year old who comes home um he just got an apartment in the city uh he's graduated college he's feeling pretty confident about his his place in life and his opinions on things and he just won't shut the hell up yeah uh and he just knows everything and continues to espouse his opinions even if you you beg him to stop and he keeps drinking he keeps drinking too because oh yeah i i get messed up every night but you know what i don't even have hangovers like crazy last night was crazy oh we went out to every bar last night bro we closed out every bar this is just like college man it's just like going back to college i love college like that is that's what we have with j mccarthy the wednesday eve right the the the the big tradition there yeah i'd love to hear the conversation between j mccarthy and trey lance like koc and shanny can't miss except with us right we're the only two we're the only two we're the only evidence that they're not perfect human beings you know Kind of embarrassing.

Speaker 10 Misery loves company. I don't know.

Speaker 21 Oh, I love that one.

Speaker 54 Yeah. So we get nine there too.

Speaker 35 And again, we get it.

Speaker 26 We double up there because we get JJ and we get nine.

Speaker 22 You know, so we're going to get two versions of the same version.

Speaker 25 Maybe he takes the extra seat at the table for so cool that he goes by nine.

Speaker 73 All right.

Speaker 27 Shaq, last one.

Speaker 10 All right. Listen, not to get sentimental and otherwise, but I think we would all love to have our pal, the pie queen Deeker, which is the

Speaker 10 all-time greatest pie maker we ever with all due respect to hand zoos corp and to uh to the handsome company which had some weird chicanery you know i don't know backroom deals made with the aforementioned deeker but one more pie off with the pie queen would be great um i would like to honor here

Speaker 10 our um our entertainment on every Sunday. I know people turn their nose up at the commercials, but I mean, when we were growing up, we had all those jingles at the top of sitcoms.

Speaker 10 Those have gone the way of the dodo bird, but they've been neatly replaced and maybe enhanced by prescription drug jingles. And I really think I'd like to bring the Jardiance lady.

Speaker 10 I take once daily Jardiance at each day start.

Speaker 10 Like she could do a song, and then we bring in the Sky Rizzy people.

Speaker 5 Oh, great song.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's right. Oh, you want to sing it with me?

Speaker 10 Okay, like

Speaker 10 clearer so I can see. Nothing on me is everything.

Speaker 10 Nothing is everything.

Speaker 10 My new favorite entry, because there apparently, a lot of people have bad skin things. They get red on their hands.
This is a plague I didn't know about until about a decade ago.

Speaker 10 But apparently, 90% of America has this condition based on the number of ads I see to cure it.

Speaker 10 And then the other one is there's a new drug called Cobenfi, which is, I think, helps people who have HIV, which is great to help. But it's like, like, imagine what could be Coben Fi.

Speaker 10 And it's really, it tickles you, you know, it's like, that's a fun song. And you come away from these commercials and the jingles thinking, like, well, I wish I were them.

Speaker 80 Like, they're having more fun than I am, even though.

Speaker 10 Even though, in a lot of cases, they're seriously ill, you know, but that's the power of song. And imagine what they can do for our Thanksgiving.

Speaker 71 That would be great.

Speaker 85 Just

Speaker 31 imagine.

Speaker 83 We get them by the piano, by the fire.

Speaker 35 And yeah, the other thing about this commercial is like then you get to the side effects and it's very lowly state.

Speaker 45 It's like, oh, your brain might explode and your asshole will be on fire for the rest of your life.

Speaker 31 It's like, oh, all right.

Speaker 47 I guess I'll stop itching my arm, though.

Speaker 8 It's like, uh-oh.

Speaker 10 I submit that they need to start singing those warnings along with the rest

Speaker 62 in the jingle.

Speaker 59 You could die or have a stroke or poop your pants.

Speaker 10 You know, like that kind of a thing.

Speaker 41 Oh, that's a great table.

Speaker 69 I love this table.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 27 We know it. 2025 NFL Thanksgiving table.

Speaker 45 Heed the call style.

Speaker 20 Shaq, you've said it all.

Speaker 17 You've done it again.

Speaker 4 Throw a plug out there for your beautiful show, which I know one of us will be on this week, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 10 That's right. It's call it incest if you want, but that's what Thanksgiving's all about.
Getting together with family, so we're going to do it a second time. Connor Orr,

Speaker 10 he's going to join us on Friday morning. We're going to settle on the most consequential games.
Connor is going to give us some insights to see who's going to win those games, and we'll go from there.

Speaker 10 I suspect we'll be picking that Bear Steelers game.

Speaker 45 Looking forward to it.

Speaker 10 Football America is the name of the show. I forgot to mention that.
I'm a great show man, aren't I?

Speaker 31 It's like

Speaker 54 wherever you get your podcast, also on YouTube.

Speaker 12 Before we say goodbye to Shek and go to break and the TNF preview, let's take a look at the final table that we have here and see how we feel about it.

Speaker 41 Let's see, let's see, see, let's see.

Speaker 51 Ah,

Speaker 77 okay.

Speaker 49 You know, we have a little versatility here, Mark, because we could put Vrabel at the head of the table, which I'm totally comfortable.

Speaker 26 He's got that big Zaddy energy.

Speaker 45 And then, but if you want the bad boss, you got Carly there.

Speaker 69 You got Diggs.

Speaker 60 I like this.

Speaker 22 Diggs separated from Pickens by Bradshaw, Peacemaker.

Speaker 39 Rogers, we got an empty chair for Rodgers,

Speaker 39 whatever it is that he's got going on.

Speaker 26 You got Diggs in the corner with Mac Hollins.

Speaker 30 That could get explosive.

Speaker 4 We have,

Speaker 33 who's that woman?

Speaker 27 Excuse me? Oh, that's Skyrizzi?

Speaker 43 That's Jardian's lady.

Speaker 31 Jardian's lady.

Speaker 31 Very nice.

Speaker 59 It's going to be a chorus.

Speaker 10 It's just going to be a whole chorus. Yeah,

Speaker 21 we got nine, and then at the far end, that is

Speaker 5 Strunko.

Speaker 65 Strunko.

Speaker 42 Ooh, pass the stuff in.

Speaker 55 All right, everybody.

Speaker 63 Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 10 Happy for you guys. Proud of you guys.
If I'm allowed to be proud, that's a little weird for me to say. I wish I could make love to all of you.
But extra, extra.

Speaker 10 I've got to go get to a picnic honoring Bob Redford.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 59 camera, Shaq, out.

Speaker 20 We would all sleep with you as well, Shaq.

Speaker 51 All right, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 75 Ah yes.

Speaker 64 The iconic Rockettes.

Speaker 20 Radio City Music Hall Christmas Spectacular.

Speaker 65 I was just in Midtown, as you know, during my New York City adventure, Seci.

Speaker 78 And it's just me and Sese now with Justin as Connor had to jump off and do Connor things and Dave is back in Sheck World.

Speaker 55 Yeah, it was outside Radio City Music Hall, and that screams the holidays to me, the Rockettes.

Speaker 36 Absolute iconic

Speaker 65 high-step, high-leg dancers, kick dancers.

Speaker 14 And then I learned, Mark, that our producer, when I said, hey, just grab a little clip from the parade, Macy's parade of the Rockettes coming out of Break, he had no idea what I was talking about.

Speaker 5 I think I was just going to say

Speaker 5 that clip and the concept of the Rockettes feels

Speaker 5 very removed from today's society on any level like i could understand why justin would have no context for the rockettes it it feels like we don't do that anymore um who's we

Speaker 79 who's we

Speaker 5 i think it's dropped from the culture a little bit like i can't remember the last time i actually saw a genuinely modern clip of the Rockettes doing anything.

Speaker 5 I mean, it was doused in the 80s and 70s, though.

Speaker 21 I think, yeah, I think

Speaker 22 what's happening here is it's a tradition in my house to this day, just like it was a tradition growing up and also grew up in the shadow of New York City, that you watch it.

Speaker 20 So we have this parade on every morning

Speaker 63 and

Speaker 22 the kids watch it, and Santa comes at the end of the parade.

Speaker 72 It's wonderful.

Speaker 35 I love it.

Speaker 74 And it is very old school New York

Speaker 63 that

Speaker 36 these things don't exist anymore. Like when I was in New York, I was really taken aback by

Speaker 26 the buildings and how everything is old and institutionalized.

Speaker 70 And here in L.A., they just knocked down everything.

Speaker 24 So you're never in an old building.

Speaker 26 Tradition isn't a thing here, but tradition is a big thing in the Northeast.

Speaker 40 What were you doing in Texas growing up, Justin, on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 43 Yeah, we were never a big Macy's Day parade household. Didn't really have it on the television.

Speaker 42 You are aware of the big parade, though, right?

Speaker 43 I was aware of the parade and the Charlie Brown giant float balloon things and all that, but we never really had the, like, it was like not, it wasn't that we didn't sit down and watch it.

Speaker 43 Like, it wasn't on the TV in the background. Like, I was aware it existed, but never really saw much of it.

Speaker 54 And I know a lot of this is the shattered notion of a monoculture in society.

Speaker 64 We don't have to, like Michael Irvin famously said, we lose in recipes.

Speaker 60 We don't need to lose all traditions of this country. Go watch the parade.

Speaker 33 It's boring as hell.

Speaker 5 It's here's when it turns

Speaker 85 chaotic.

Speaker 5 You know, like some of these, so you're Charlie Brown floats.

Speaker 5 Some of these these things are like 10 stories tall and when they when like the head pops oh that was the best part yeah we want to see these things pop and just chaos rain down on the entire i used to i lived for about a year and a half on the upper west side uh which is a prime right right down i think columbus avenue or central park west um there was a part of the path of this parade and people would legitimately get and get a spot at like 3 a.m 4 a.m

Speaker 26 and then just stand there for a parade that starts at like 9 and is over at 12.

Speaker 27 And I'm like, same thing when I see people in Times Square on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 38 It's like, wait a second.

Speaker 32 So you got to your spot at like 2 p.m.

Speaker 26 You got to stay in that spot.

Speaker 12 You can't go to the bathroom and you're waiting till midnight.

Speaker 31 I mean, who are these people?

Speaker 5 It's, yeah, that's a good question. I've done Times Square a couple of times on New Year's.

Speaker 5 You've got to do that as a human. That's a wild experience.

Speaker 33 Did you wear like a diaper?

Speaker 38 Like, I'm sure you were

Speaker 37 imbibing a bit.

Speaker 35 Like, what do you do when

Speaker 37 you tell us?

Speaker 5 I didn't do the stand around in one spot for hours. I mean, we

Speaker 70 okay. That's different.

Speaker 5 It was like six of us. We were pretty sauced.

Speaker 42 Floating. Maybe.

Speaker 48 All right. Let's see.
Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 27 How sauced do we have to be for Thursday night football?

Speaker 34 When's the last time it was a good Thursday night game?

Speaker 18 Justin, can you look it up?

Speaker 22 The last time a Thursday night game was decided by, I don't know, a score?

Speaker 20 Because I feel like we're on a bit of a losing streak.

Speaker 43 Off the top of my head, I would say it was right before the NBA gambling scandal went down.

Speaker 67 It was.

Speaker 41 It actually was.

Speaker 27 We had banger after banger after banger, and then a gambling scandal broke out in professional sports in America, and then every football game has sucked in private since especially those

Speaker 22 major partners.

Speaker 32 That was close, but that was not a game.

Speaker 67 Was that 10-7?

Speaker 43 Three-point game between Broncos Raiders qualifies for what you're looking for, but not

Speaker 34 the last good game, the last banger.

Speaker 43 The pre-sander, Banger, week seven, Joe Flacco, 342-yard explosion, 33-31.

Speaker 31 That's all the Steelers.

Speaker 69 So we're due.

Speaker 35 Are we going to get it here? Buffalo Bills, seven and three

Speaker 64 at Houston Texans, five and five.

Speaker 33 Bad luck for the Texans here.

Speaker 26 I mean, I guess it depends where you come down on all this

Speaker 41 because

Speaker 26 Davis Mills is certainly kind of like what happened in Arizona with Jake Brisket and Kyler Murray.

Speaker 32 The idea of like, oh, Nico Collins looks like an alpha dog number one wide receiver again.

Speaker 19 Oh, they're scoring points.

Speaker 77 Everything is not such a struggle with Davis Mills at the control.

Speaker 78 And yet you're like, damn, I thought C.J.

Speaker 76 Stroud was generational.

Speaker 33 And now we're having this conversation.

Speaker 32 It's tough.

Speaker 4 But the bad timing here is if you do ultimately, I think we all agree that CJ Stroud is the guy you want behind center.

Speaker 26 Because of this concussion, he has some bad bad timing here.

Speaker 16 It's a short week.

Speaker 57 It doesn't look like he's going to be cleared.

Speaker 70 So we're going to get Davis Mills against the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen coming off a six-touchdown win over the Bucs.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think

Speaker 5 with the Bills,

Speaker 5 it came together big time against the Bucs, and they used a committee of a lot of different guys to step up a wide receiver.

Speaker 5 It's because it's a short week there without Curtis Samuel, without Miko Hardman.

Speaker 5 And those don't sound like, without Dalton Kincaid, they don't sound like huge pieces, but they played a big role last week.

Speaker 5 And so you're leaning on guys like Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, Khalil Shakira.

Speaker 5 And I don't know if it matters because the way that Josh Allen played, you're going to need him to do it again against what might be the best defense in the league.

Speaker 5 I think it's in a week like this, it's a big night for like James Cook and Ty Johnson to see targets out of the backfield to just to gain yardage and move the ball.

Speaker 5 But if you get what Josh Allen did last week,

Speaker 5 I don't know if he just moves into a zone where he's essentially unstoppable. But what could stop the Bills is literally this defense.

Speaker 5 And I do wonder if they've broken out of their hot and cold act, because this feels it's not a trap game at all, but the Texans' defense can do a lot to take away things from any offense in the league.

Speaker 5 And they've done it consistently because that offense has not been reliable.

Speaker 55 Yeah, their pass rush in particular has been fearsome.

Speaker 26 And I think one of the reasons why Allen is so special and one of one is they've run him less this season in terms of design runs than they have in the past.

Speaker 20 And I think that's a quarterback that's starting to edge closer to age 30.

Speaker 26 And you just want to pick and choose your spots when to use him that way.

Speaker 57 But he absolutely has the ability as much as any quarterback in the league.

Speaker 20 I still like, I thought that was such a great Bucks example of, you know, when he's in the Hall of Fame one day, and I do think Josh Allen is a Hall of Fame quarterback, like

Speaker 57 it's games like that when it's just like, it's unfair that this guy can combine his ability to drive the ball downfield with accuracy, to be creative,

Speaker 36 to his ability to improvise, make plays on the run, succeed in the pocket, read defenses.

Speaker 40 But when he has to be a bad motherfucker and he needs to go run over somebody to get to that goal line, he is a terror.

Speaker 38 It reminds me, I know he's not as big as Cam Newton because I feel like nobody was as big as Cam Newton, but it has that similar energy where it's like he's heading towards a linebacker and you're like, it's the linebacker that's in trouble here.

Speaker 36 So he can evade rushes and he can make plays with his legs. I wonder if you see more of that if Houston is able to get home.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 5 if there was some strategic approach to not use his legs earlier on the year, we're getting to that time of the season where that is an absolute ingredient and game changer for them.

Speaker 5 And I think you're going to have to use everything that you have on offense in this game.

Speaker 5 I just want to see if that, because it was an explosive passing game, and

Speaker 5 you had Josh Allen throwing the ball and testing the field deep.

Speaker 5 Is that what they are now?

Speaker 5 It just looked different than any other week, or was that situational and it was a good 60 minutes?

Speaker 5 Like, I don't know if we get that answer against the Texans, but I want to see them and Joe Brady, the play caller, stay aggressive. It was a really different offense.

Speaker 64 A couple of things.

Speaker 24 I mentioned Nico

Speaker 24 It's not maybe all the quarterback in the chemistry or whatever with Davis Mills or C.J.

Speaker 26 Stroud.

Speaker 40 They're starting to, they maybe figured out we should be moving around Collins a little bit more, and he's done a lot better.

Speaker 26 And they put him in the slot a lot more the last couple of weeks, and he's been much more involved with the offense.

Speaker 24 So keep an eye on them moving around, Nico Collins.

Speaker 22 And yeah, I think how does the Buffalo defense

Speaker 21 play?

Speaker 34 Like, if we're, that's, I'm kind of with you.

Speaker 64 Like, I think the Texans are the Texans.

Speaker 15 I would say they're top five defense.

Speaker 22 I think they're limited by their offense. I think they are

Speaker 36 possibly a playoff team, but not a difference-making team.

Speaker 18 I want to see if the bills are the bills.

Speaker 53 Are the bills now here for good?

Speaker 22 And it is a good test against D'Amico Ryan's defense.

Speaker 36 And we'll see.

Speaker 24 They have already ruled out Dalton Kincaid, Micole Hardman with a calf, Curtis Samuel, elbow slash neck.

Speaker 22 And we'll just see what they do with Keon Coleman, who's a healthy scratch on Sunday after missing a team meeting, and if he finds his way back in.

Speaker 40 But last Alan note, Mark, is he's also one of those guys.

Speaker 73 There's only a couple of them in the league at any given time that, yeah, like, doesn't matter who's around him, like, he'll make it work.

Speaker 55 And I expect him to do that, and I like the Bills in this game for that reason.

Speaker 24 27 to 19.

Speaker 5 I think

Speaker 5 one place where the Bills have obviously been very vulnerable is getting absolutely gashed on the ground.

Speaker 5 And this is a better better matchup than going against the Bucs or other teams where, you know, this isn't a latter-day Nick Chubb.

Speaker 5 I think Woody Marks is an interesting running back as a rookie, but they just aren't able to get it.

Speaker 37 Interestingly strong, but okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it's, they're just not able to really get that ground game consistently done. And so that helps Buffalo because that.

Speaker 5 That was like that defense is just not doing their job in the middle. And so maybe this is a more favorable scenario here.

Speaker 37 All right, give me your pick.

Speaker 5 I will go Bills

Speaker 5 31 to 17.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 59 There you go.

Speaker 54 Thank you to Dave Damashek.

Speaker 76 That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 70 We'll be back on Thursday with a recap of this game we just previewed and also a preview of every game in week 12.

Speaker 39 Look at us.

Speaker 4 We're here. We're to week 12 now, Thanksgiving, the week after, as you know, and that's a crazy week.

Speaker 22 And we'll get into all that.

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