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Hello and welcome to Here Comes the Guillotine. I'm Frankie Boyle and I'm going to be talking to Susie McCabe, Christopher MacArthur Boyd.

Can I just sorry, just before we start, or you know, formally start?

Do you know how in the last episode that we know we were talking about people that had died? Diane Keaton. I'm never kind of gutted over it.
Go, all right, I okay.

But Diane Keaton, I was like,

no,

fuck off, universe.

She's done society a favour by keeping Woody away from more vulnerable people for a wee while, you know. She was the, you know, you put

some jam on a bit of bread for the wasps. She was society's that for Woody Allen.
She was the human jam. Yeah.

Woody Allen human jambet.

I thought she was. I thought she was a great actress.
Ah, she's great.

She was in quite a lot of films when I was growing up. It was like that kind of thing.
And then, obviously, she's in The Godfather. And I love The Godfather, and she's great in The Godfather.

And I'm just seeing as soon as I seen it, I was just like,

fuck's sake. Do you know what I mean? Do you know when somebody famous dies, like when Bowie died, I was like, oh, come on.

I was gutted. I.

I've never actually listened to Bowie's last album. Oh, really? Blackstone? I listened to that.

I listened to that, and then I thought, once I listen to this, it's kind of all over. So I've never actually done it.
I will do it.

The beautiful thing about that for me was that he'd never really done any jazz music his whole career. But then his brother, who died when he was growing up, when he was young, was a jazz musician.

And he always felt like, I don't want to do that because that was his hang. And then when he died, he was like,

I'm going to meet my brother, so I'll put a jazz record there. It's beautiful.

I was guttied, absolutely guttied. Chris Benoit died when I was 11, and he also murdered his wife and child.
Wow, I remember the jokes about that.

What were the jokes about that?

I can't remember. Yeah,

nobody told me it was fake. But I know, but the thing about him was he died, and we all found out he died.
And then the news came out the next day.

But his pals, I think, kind of guessed that he had committed these heinous crimes.

So they were as tribute going, listen, we don't know about this. You know, it's a shame he's dead, but let's not.
That's why the whole story comes out.

It could have been anyone that did an eight-foot elbow drop.

We've had a similar death to that recently with Ian Watkins.

He was fucking murdered in the prison. How similar that was.

Well, you know what? Similar it is. Well, the band members were like, no, we kinda, nah, you're alright, thanks.

Yeah, man, he got fucking... As

not to be a paratheter, Jacob Holly or the Screen Rock podcast pointed out,

like, he was killed in prison and they keep all the pedos together. So it's like he was he was a pedo who was killed by pedos.

Do you know what I mean? Well, it's sex offenders, innit? They're not all pedos.

It might have been a

like a pedophiles are quite a distinct thing.

I would also say we're probably on legally shaky ground, and this would be the worst thing to get sued by

two sex offenders.

They've got twenty-five years and a million quid off global player.

I think it's like uh

the it's a kinda vulnerability thing, isn't it? So, you know, we think beast wing. If you were a beast, you would say it's actually a fucking isolation wing or whatever.
Do you know what I mean?

Protection it's called, I believe. So it could be if someone wants to someone wants to kill you because of a a debt or cause you've said the wrong thing.

I mean, say we got put in prison and Shaheed Baldy's in there and he's been following the podcast, we might be put in a fucking beast wing for our own protection.

I believe Shahid Baldi's in charge of the subreddit for Here Comes a Good

Shah.

He does it from an iPad that he's smuggled up his ass.

It's a bit like the old Louis Thoreau documentary, wasn't it? When he was in the American prisons, and that was fucking wild, the pedo one was fucking wild. And they're like, well, I've found God.

And that's all they kept saying. He was like, so what about the prison are you in? And they were like,

so I pray.

I'm in the pedo wing.

You know.

I've done a gig for the pedoes once and a uh well for the protection and a jail. What jail, Peter Reed? Fuck it was

Palmont. So not quite a jail.

It's no sex offenders, is it? In Palmont. Isn't it young offenders? Young offenders.
Young sex offenders.

It's an amazing kind of new neuromantic

era.

The young sex offenders.

We are here.

I thought protection was like we guys like me who couldn't have been with the rest of the prison because they get their head kicked in because they were spiky or something.

But it was actually, yeah, I was...

I was looking at them and I was like, no,

this is a sex offenders, definitely. They were just kind of...

They had the look.

They had a kind of online.

Have you heard about that? The online hunch that people are developing?

People on their phones, because they're like that.

The human body is evolving to be a more

rounded.

We're going back to the day, aren't we? We're kind of going back to the... That's right, we stood up and now we're going back to

Caveman. Have you?

Have you heard about the Millennium's the Millennial Stair?

No.

I wanted to have it. The Gen Z stair.
Or is it the Gen Z stay? Right, okay. So I didn't, I was in a shop, and the woman had been like, or the girl had been like, do you have like your card?

And I was like, yeah,

and the signal was really bad. And she went, oh, if you do this, do that, right? Bump bum bum bum bum.
And I was like, all right, okay, I've never felt more like Manana.

And it was this really uncomfortable moment

where they just stare and smile because they don't know how to interact. And my mate, who was with me, my best mate, we MC, was like, Oh, I, this is a thing.
And I was like, Really?

And she went, Yeah, my niece and nephew are a bit like this.

And I was like, What the fuck? And I wanted to ask if you had had that because obviously you've got older kids. Oh, they're staring.

It's more in disbelief than anything. It's like, fucking.
Remember, going to me, I like, so I was like, I got shampoo and conditioner. And she went, aye, these are two different kinds.

Well, you got fucking dragon fruit shampoo and coconut coconut conditioner. I was like, Oh, what you want them to be the same? And she was like,

Yeah, so so it all smells the same. You could tell her looking at me, just going, This old prick doesn't know how to wash his hair.

Did you explain that you've spent a lot of your life living in hotel rooms, so

shampoo and conditioner just isn't a fucking thing. Pay your way.

So you've got nice smelling hair.

Putting shampoo in your hair. Wouldn't they want it to smell?

Surely that's better. Well, I guess if it's like if what country is dragging fruit from, let's speculate.
I would say the Philippines. The Philippines.
Where are coconuts from? Caribbean. Caribbean.

Those two places should not.

You're mixing two breeds of cross-pacific.

Right into straight eugenics. Yeah, aye.

Yeah, he talks.

See when he talks about conditioner and shampoo, careful, that's a bit of fun. And we know exactly what that is.
We know exactly. That's his cross-pollination, I think he calls it.

Some people have speculated that the Gen Z stare comes from

developing your social skills during lockdown. So,

you know,

they're all a wee bit slightly stunted.

People stare at me a bit anymore. So I don't.
You know what I mean? I cast a baby the other day in Policy State and it was clearly its first beard. Do you know what I mean? It was like, what the

guy's head's upside down.

I sometimes find that babies stare at me, you know, like if I'm in public transport or something, they just kind of look at me and they're like,

as if it's almost like, you're not quite an adult, are you? But you're not quite me. And you're like, well, you would be right.
They just sit and smile away.

Dogs and babies have me pegged, not pegged. But do you know what I mean? They realise I'm up for a play, and they'll look at me and they're like, I'm right.
Aye. They detect whimsy.

He'll pull a face, he'll get involved. I used to be quite scared of babies.
I was always good with kind of toddlers and up, but I used to be quite scared of babies.

And now I'm just like, eh, they're fine. I think something just comes with age because I was always, I didn't even want to hold a baby.

I've got a nephew at 21 years old, and when he was a baby, I was like, nah, you're alright. I'll drop him.
You're fine.

And people used to be like, why are you like that? And I'm like, I've just never I'd never been around babies growing up because I was the youngest of the people. You were the baby of the family.
I.

Which explains a lot, Christopher. Yeah, I was also the baby of the family.
Which also explains a lot, Christopher.

Two babies.

Were you middle?

Explains a lot. Classic middle.

No one really gave a shit.

Oh my god. What is the middle experience? I've only seen it in my life.
We've had the first one. You fucking project all the.
You've got to be like this, you've got to get a job. You've got to...

So my brother's like a fucking

some kind of economist for um property development or something like that. Um

and then you get to the youngest, it's like do what you like, you're the fucking queen or you're the little princeling or whatever. And then you're the princeling, yeah, or you are the princeling.

And then middle is sort of like, we've got a photo, see the first one,

and you just kind of left your own device, yeah?

So

I wasn't the little princess or anything like that.

I wasn't that kind of, I wasn't that the oldest was like the golden child and uh to a certain degree probably still is whereas I was a bit like oh for fuck's sake why can't you be more like the other one and you're like well because I'm totally different because it is that thing as well isn't it when so there's I mean there's quite a big gap between me and my older sibling so it's that thing whereas they then have to go back don't they they then have to go back like they're they're in a routine there's three of them they're in a routine they've got their way of, you know, we drop him off at school and all that.

And then you come and there's fucking sterilising units and nappies, and fucking they're just like,

ah, fuck, what have we done?

So I was never. You're the meteorite that hit there.

In more ways than one, Christopher. In more ways than one.

Ah, I certainly hurt that. Hurt their earth.

I think I probably ruined a bit of my brother's childhood as well, because I think he was kind of like quite happy being eight years old and then I fucking come along and he's like oh fuck off yeah do you know what I mean like

that they often just feel you went from full attention

full parental love to much less and

you know even in adults you see it I mean even that thing of just like can you you know like because they're older and they're actually capable that it's like can you go and get the baby wipes can you go and get this can you and they're just like oh fuck man life was so much easier.

I didn't need to do anything. They were always there.
Whereas now, this little fucking sprog has come into my world and ruined it. I think that's a thing.

Definitely. Yeah.

We were graced this morning by the presence of

Scottish entertainment icon Elaine Smith, who's in the studio. Everyone in Scottish Entertainment is also related to Elaine C.
Smith in some other way. So har.

And it'd be interesting interesting to find out what yours is, Susie. Right.
Because, in my experience, this rule holds true.

So, her husband briefly taught me modern studies, Bob,

and her auntie, who was, I guess, in her 60s at the time, and around about 60, was it you, Nimi Mi? Really?

In Brighton, yeah.

Um, my,

I'm trying to think. So, my non-showbiz experience is the fact that I lived quite close to her.
Like, I used to see her quite a lot.

Um, we probably probably stayed about a ten-minute walk away from each other, so I used to see her quite a lot, but obviously, I didn't know her, only knew her

from T V.

And I grew up at a time where it was like naked video and it was all that. And I think was she in a kind of kick up the 80s? Did she have maybe a little parts and that? I don't know.

Because it was kind of the same crew, wasn't it? Except we could train and then uh married all, of course, which was quite an iconic kind of Scottish maw, for a better word, at that time.

But that's what we're just talking about there, where

she was saying that you know, you never get the gags when you're a woman, you never ever got the gags in these sitcoms. It was almost like you weren't allowed.
Women just cannot be funny.

But I think what was interesting was that her and Barbara Rafferty, who played her kind of best pal, kind of made those parts their own and took the lines and could deliver them.

So that it was that Scottish mum, you know, with the tabard on that you really wouldn't mess with, who was a bit exasperated.

But an eye-roll or an inflection would actually add to the joke, and that just maybe shows you how good a talent Elaine and Barbara Rafferty actually, you know, are and were.

But, um, I, an absolute Scottish legend, isn't she?

I

uh, when I was I went to high school with her daughter, she was near below me, so check out, yeah.

Also, here's a full circle for the Guillotine podcast.

Our young man who

challenged Christopher at the spelling bay. Oh, aye, aye, aye.

He's

getting on great.

My assassination attempt not work on him. No, he's still going.

Three times I've tried it now, and he's still alive.

So I had got got him, he really wants to go into theatre. And when I was doing the Kings one day, I'd got him to come a couple hours before the matinee.

And I'd asked the staff, and they showed him round, they showed him the flies and all that stuff because he loves the Kings. That's the theatre that he's always went to to see the Panto.

So, you know, if you're a theatre kid, that's amazing. And as we were walking around the back of the Kings, there's all the pictures of the Panto, and obviously, Elaine is everywhere.

And he went, Oh, I love Elaine C. Smith.
And I went, What?

He went, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And

his mum, Emma, was explaining that

he came to see Panto once when he was about nine or ten, in fact, maybe even younger. Loved her character so much, went home on YouTube.
So found all the Married All stuff or two doors down, right?

So on and so forth. All the way back to like when Elaine was doing like a one-woman play on it, like a very, very young Elaine C.
Smith.

And he knew it was like, see the way kids can be about Taylor Swift or Beyonce. this is what he was like, but it was Elaine.
So I said to her, I said, look, I've got this wee guy.

He's been casting a role in kinky boots

at the King's. Gonna send him a wee message.
And she done a wee video. She done a wee video and sent it.
And the wee guy was chuffed to bits. Wow, that's great.
Hyper fixated. That's great.

But isn't that like, you go, she's so. I was like, Elaine,

I know you're going to be like, shut up. And I'm like, this wee guy knows everything about your career, but

that's his thing.

Do you know what I really chickened out asking her what do you know you go into the kings i'd say the right hand dressing room is her dressing room you know so if you're going in there

there's always or there's always been every time i've played it

a poster for the panto with laying on it on that wall if you can picture that wall yep and

some kind of sigil necklace that's to ward off evil spirits

do you know what this is no it's the turkish eye the turkish eye yeah it's the scene eye it's it's the eye who wards away the evil demons wait there is that like the eye of horus it's not like the eye of horus yeah it's the if you go to turkey marmorous

you'll see this everywhere every every every residence well in turkey i would be expecting it almost

because in elaine she's my dressing room i'd be like what's this doing for years now so is elaine perhaps been pursued by a spirit a turkish demon a turkish demon or there's clark Clark Shapeshifter.

Exactly. Clarky.
Who's next in line to be the panto dame? Do you know what I mean? Des. He's more buttons than a dame.
Maybe as ages. As ages.
Any shapeshift. Do you know what I mean?

He doesn't even like competition at the best of times.

Is that one of his cheese?

Not really good.

It kind of buffs up my story.

Or someone like Ricky Fulton or whatever from the beyond is like, do you know what? I'm here in hell now. I've fucking wanked off various

telebelievers.

And I've garnered a certain amount of power to myself. No, this is just the cosmology of here comes the guillotine, right? We all accept it.

We talk about people going to hell and attempting to rally their forces in the netherworld

and via sexual favours. That's just, it's nothing particularly about Ricky Fulton.
It's something we say about pretty much everybody that dies. They're now working their way up the ranks of hell

sexually. Yeah.
You know?

And maybe it's it's that. Maybe it's a sexually empowered Fulton.
Maybe, as you say, Turkish Demon, maybe Dez, other candidates?

I mean, I suppose it's just theatres are one of the most definitely haunted places, isn't there? There's a number of people who have heart attacks at a pantomime because the humour is too rebald.

Do you know who I saw in Pantomia? Who? Darius Dinesh.

And he's not with us anymore. He's not with us anymore.
And he's going to command quite a price in hell

he's a handsome boy

obviously there's allegations about the who

how he messed up assassinated by rangers yes

is what i was alluding to

without that rabbit hole listening

rangers football club over the rangers

um

it's a wild life it's a wild story it doesn't make any sense none of it makes any sense you know what elaine Smith warding off his unquiet ghost with a Turkish eye makes as much fucking sense as anything.

Yes, but the other candidates. I think he drank that river water that was full of bacteria.

The river sticks. The river sticks, essentially.

We don't know that bacteria isn't tiny demons.

We just don't know. That's what we're doing.

These are deep cuts. You'd have to be quit into the Darrens Dinesh story to follow what Christopher's talking about here.

But we're leaving that up to you because I'm going to throw forward another candidate. Go for it.
Perhaps Gredo. Would you be an occult practiser? I don't think that's even in doubt.

I don't even doubt. What is his catchphrase, you know?

It's yourself.

Is that not what a haunted mirror would say to you?

Reflection. Or it's like him try to remember who he is when he's off on some occult fucking

trip where he's like psychically projecting. He has to go, it's yourself to go back into base body Gredo.
It's yourself.

But also, there's a lot of people. He could be a good dame.

I'm not trying to fucking talk a little at a job here, by the way. She should be the fucking dame for as long as that Turkish eye holds up against the occult forces that howl

beneath her. Ceaseless howling.

But Greidel could be a shapeshifter because he's a wrestler. He's a TV presenter.
Tell you what, he's a wrestler who doesn't look like a wrestler as well. Do you know what I mean?

So he's like, he can do all this stuff with his body that it doesn't look look like it should be able to do that.

That's fucking Shapeshifter 101. There's the grand tradition of the slightly chubby, heavy, though.
You know, your dusty roads.

So, your Big Daddy, that I believe Grato falls into the lineage of outside the muscle men.

But they weren't doing what he's doing. He's like fucking rolling about and jumping off ropes and stuff like that.
Big Daddy wasn't he jumping off the fucking top rope. Nah, right?

His big daddy wasn't lean on it. He would lean on it and then just kind of.
He was a win skin. Do you know what I mean? He was us.
He was like someone who couldn't transform. What was his name?

Vivian? Yeah, Vivian something. Vivian, something.

What's the club? Big Daddy. Daddy's name.
He was a big guy. Big Daddy.

He was a big guy. He didn't.

He wasn't really an athlete. He just kind of was a big bloke.

They just kind of lay on the ropes.

A lot of

a sinister figure, I believe. Big Daddy.
Really? I don't think so. I don't think he could fucking isn't.

Although fucking Cyril Smith. Oh, yeah.

Fuck. Cyril Smith.
Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck.
Cyril Smith was this fucking lib dam liber or liberal at the time politician who was so fat. He was like probably bigger than Big Daddy.
Aye.

I he had a kind of cummer bun, didn't he? It was like it came from like his groin. And he was like sort of like a Yorkshire foghorn leg horn.
He was like,

I say, I'm full of Yorkshire wisdom. Like Fred Elliott.
He was like Fred Elliott. He was almost exactly Fred Elliot.

No,

no, no, no.

He was more bullish. And he was also like twice.

Right?

And the X-Men villain, the blob. The blob.
And he was

a massive beast

who

I think

will

be in the lower circles of hell. 100%.
I have two things to say. The first is that Big Daddy was called Shirley Crabtree.

Shirley Crabtree, there you go.

And his wife was Eunice Crabtree.

The second thing I have to say is I was speaking to another podcast who has been sponsored by Iron Brew. What?

And yes, yes.

And

can we just put a clanging bell over this, Andy? Like a clanging

funeral bell over this podcast.

for why

because you know it's got to end really due to capitalism. It's just like

nobody wanted to sponsor it, nobody wants to advertise on it. I have this slightly whatever, the fucking upgraded version of Spotify, that means I get is it like there's zero advertisements.

Oh, I see, right, okay. Um,

so I hear nothing on there, and it it like we can tell by our fees.

Like

well, I have something to say about maybe why we haven't had the Iron Brew thing, right? What well, this is my theory. They've told me Iron Brew

sponsored the podcast and said, Listen, you just can talk about anything. We don't have any issues with any subject matter under the sun.
You can talk about this, murders, and these things.

Just don't talk about pedos.

And I think they've said that because of us.

What are they hiding?

Not only have bars ruined the teeth

of children in Scotland. There may be something more sinister.

Maybe the way, do you know that way you can take a baby's tooth and you can put it in a glass of full-fat coke and it will erode?

Is maybe

they've been putting pedos in vats of it and brew and dissolving them. But maybe it's just, you know, if you're killing kids with sugar, it's a diabeto.

True. Christopher's gutted, Look at him.
Look, we are currently losing any chance of that as sponsorship. I don't give a fuck, man.

He was just looking for free.

There's no amount of money they could give me that would make up the money I've given them.

Do you know what I mean? They could pay me 10 grand a second and it wouldn't add up to the

time and money that I've spent on their product. It's true.
Do you know what I mean? True. What's the bottle that's got a year on it? 99.

That might be if we check the consent laws for next phone,

that might be the good old days. Yeah, that's what they think of.
Is the ranboys it's exactly the same if you taste it? And children were probably working in the factory then.

1901.

Google it. I don't want it on my Google.
Google it. What was

it?

You don't want it in your algorithm? What was the age of consent in 1901? Oh, the thing is, I mean, you'd probably started working when you were, what, ten? Yeah.

I

did it and did it.

Oh, my God.

By 1880, which isn't too far away from 1901, the first date chosen, many Western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years.

But then you were dead when you were like 32, weren't it? I think that makes it much.

I think

I'll be dead in fucking 20 years. 20 years.

I need to pump out 20 quick kids in the hope that

one of them lives. One of them lives, aye.
The more I hear about the 1800s, the more I go, fucking thank fuck I was dead.

Aye, bleak. Bleak times.
Bleak house. My dad was telling me the other day, his dad, I always forget this, was from a family of 12,

six

boys, and then six girls.

And his dad lived the longest. He lived to 61.
Wow. Right.

But my da, at one point when he was a kid, said he was trying to establish what had happened to them all. And what one died in an industrial accident, one died in such and such, blah, blah, blah.

And loads of them came to Scotland and died and all that stuff.

And he said, he said to his da, as they're out

weak and turf or whatever, right?

He said to him, What about my uncle so-and-so? He only lived to 28 or something. He said, his dad just looked around and went to him, No wonder.

And that was just life, you know, yeah, no wonder. So Jack, it was just bevy, five.
No, no, no, no, no. Just like life was, you lived up the side of a fucking hill with no running water.

It's a shame. Just fucked.

Have you watched this again?

Episode title. No wonder.
No wonder.

Have I watched the House of Guinness? Watch the House of Guinness. That looks too shiny.
I watched it. I watched it.

It was alright, but I found it quite interesting when it was like, right, on my way down to Cornet to stay in the fucking family castle, and it was the famine.

And it was showing you the kind of repercussions of the famine. Then you had the Catholics working for the Guinness, the family, and then you had the ones who were just like,

Let's fucking set fire to the cooper, like to the cooperage, and just fuck the Guinness family. It was interesting, it was good.
It was good. Another example of the kneecapification of culture, yes,

where the island exists, and that sometimes they make art. Yeah, that's the kneecapification.

The fucking guy from kneecap, the fucking guy was in like my

uh, so my dad's cousin

goes to a fucking Kayleigh night or whatever in Leo's pub in Minalec in Donegal, which is like Leo was fucking Clanned's Dan, Enya's Dan on it. So the middle,

absolute fucking middle of fucking authority. Yeah, Enya's dad used to have a country music night in his pub, Leo's.
He was Leo. And he would do the same songs all the time.

And he would get people up from the audience and they would sing their fucking party piece. I love this.
It's just like basically like any Irish funeral I've ever been in my entire life.

It was still there. It's still there.
But fucking the guy from Kneecap, whatever he's called, Mochara, that dude, was

at a fucking Kayla night, sent me a phone. Amazing, that's awesome.

What I mean by the kneecap, because you got you, and I've had Irish people contact me to say that they agree with me against you, too.

Right. Is this me say that they're right, you know? Guinness is having a boom because it's Irish.
Do you know what I mean? So, like, you go to Guinness is collaborating right now with whoever.

So, Guinness, another thing that existed and was popular before kneecap. But now

it's not about kneecap. Whatever else, potatoes are popping.

Irishness is true. The kneecapification of Irish culture is a concept that exists out with kneecaps.
Yes.

Okay, so what you mean is the popularity of Irish culture? Ireland is very popular just now because it's the good guy.

I think Ireland's almost

so basic that

it's almost not worth saying. It's just interesting because, like, these people are splitting the G,

you know, and Guinness is collaborating with Percival right now. It's like an English clothing brand because it's like a trendy thing.
It's the only way of being like, no, I'm a good person.

Well, here's the thing. I can't say my

thing, though. Is it meaningful? Right? Is it meaningful? No, I don't mean your idea, right? But the increased popularity of Irishness.
Does it come from...

We've always grown up in a hugely anti-United Ireland atmosphere, anti-Sinn Féin. Jerry Adams is a fucking terrorist.
But we did not wilt, Frankie. We did not wilt.
We did not believe them, right? But

that to me has softened now.

And fucking English people in particular, it's always been a debate here in Scotland, but English people in particular are now a bit like, ah, oh, okay, I get it. Right.

And as the as the sheer weight of the campaign against essentially Irish unity has kind of dissipated slightly, you know, it does gall me sometimes when you see English lefties going, oh, great to see a left-winger elected as Irish president.

And, you know, let's go for United Ireland. And you're like, you're against Scottish independence.
Yep.

Fucking rails. You know, because you think you might, and also, because you think you might get like two seats.
Yeah. Like, for fuck all.

You're like, let those people be a nuclear missile base so we could get

like one percent on our fucking national vote. Yeah, the thing is, as well, with.