Ashley Graham: Body Confidence, Boob Contouring & Getting Hotter With Age

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Speaker 7 I'm getting better at it, but there's some things when I don't like something, just say it. There's stuff in life, too, where even

Speaker 7 business where I be

Speaker 8 clothes. Close.

Speaker 9 Not wearing bras like the three of you.

Speaker 6 Oh, you have a bronze.

Speaker 11 And you're technically not right too, or does this this count as one well i i don't know the boostier doesn't that kind of count as one

Speaker 6 they're a little tiggly they're not like like they're not stopping they're not like stop putting these show in my face

Speaker 12 i'm so jealous

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Speaker 11 Ladies, what is something you've been overthinking lately?

Speaker 15 Oh, you know, I saw this tweet the other day saying that people who read fiction are just not as smart as people who read only non-fiction.

Speaker 6 What? What?

Speaker 11 Why do they think this?

Speaker 7 I guess I can, like, kind of understand. I just think it's wrong.
Yeah. So, like, if you read, like, because we just watched Lord of the Rings.
So, if, like, people who read Lord of the Ring,

Speaker 6 your face, that was a funny thing to see.

Speaker 7 So, I guess if if you like, they're saying like if you read Lord of the Rings or

Speaker 7 other things, you're not as smart, but it just feels like the smartest people I know

Speaker 7 read those books because it's a break from how much, maybe how much smarts they have.

Speaker 6 Because they are so smart. Right.

Speaker 10 Because they are so smart.

Speaker 15 And you can learn things from fiction books.

Speaker 15 I think people also have that stereotype just because they're like, yeah, a textbook's non-fiction.

Speaker 15 You know, I don't always need to be reading these like educational books. Like you can find educational things in

Speaker 15 fiction and stories and things that have a little bit more fun to them. Absolutely.

Speaker 21 Reading is reading.

Speaker 11 If you're reading articles, like dad loves to say he's a short form, he reads short form. He's reading so many articles.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that makes him really smart.

Speaker 11 We read books. I take so much from the fiction books that I read, whether it's something funny, new to say, or a new way to think about something, or just like enjoyment.

Speaker 11 Sorry, that also betters me as a person.

Speaker 15 Absolutely. I started Babel.

Speaker 15 I'm learning.

Speaker 6 She's learning. Learning.

Speaker 11 She's clocked in. It's fiction.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's fiction.

Speaker 15 There's ways to incorporate educational themes in fiction.

Speaker 20 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 So people should touch some grass.

Speaker 11 You can absolutely be smart and get smarter from reading fiction. We're going to have Perplexity weigh in on this one and tell these people whether they need to touch some grass or not.

Speaker 11 Okay, so we've asked Perplexity, can reading fiction books make you smarter?

Speaker 15 Reading fiction can make you smarter by improving cognitive abilities, verbal intelligence, empathy, memory, and analytical thinking as supported by scientific studies and neuroscientific research.

Speaker 7 That's a lot of big words.

Speaker 19 I believe it.

Speaker 21 That sounds far right ahead right there. Boom.

Speaker 7 Regular, and here we go, cognitive and neural results, some bigger words, cognitive and neural benefits. Regular fiction reading increases neural connectivity in the brain.

Speaker 9 Okay, very cool.

Speaker 7 I've always wanted to be connected up there, especially in areas related to language, imagination, abstract thinking. Us fiction readers are just imaginative.
That's right.

Speaker 22 We think abstractly.

Speaker 11 Our brains are so big.

Speaker 22 Some of us. Right.
Well,

Speaker 7 these changes persist beyond immediate reading sessions and enhance complex thought and reasoning, which are crucial for intelligence's problem solving. I know.
That's all we need to know.

Speaker 11 Boom.

Speaker 23 Keep reading your nonfiction.

Speaker 7 We're still getting smarter.

Speaker 22 We're getting smarter than the people that aren't reading.

Speaker 11 And we're having more fun while doing it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we're having a lot more fun. A lot more.

Speaker 7 We're in worlds you wouldn't even imagine.

Speaker 6 You wouldn't. You couldn't even.
I'm building this character. We're building

Speaker 13 characters.

Speaker 11 I literally have to like pick the location of a book in my house. Like I have to like scroll.
You know how you guys do that in your imagination? Just me?

Speaker 14 all right you what

Speaker 15 you gotta pick it yeah like when like the characters are like it's the house that is the main set in the book i pick out in my head like what kind of architectural structure are we working with here that i pick that many areas if i just thought i was talking about your house i read it and my mind just does it yeah like or i hear a name and i'm like well and that's what uh annabeth looks like that's of course what an annabeth looks like right of course that's funny oh they've got white hair no i've already i've already put brown hair on them perplexity says touch grass freaks they said the freaks part yeah That does it for Touch Grass, brought to you by Perplexity.

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Speaker 7 Let me intro our amazing guests, our fourth Marsis today is a cultural force who didn't just break the mold, she shattered it.

Speaker 7 She was the first I6C model to land the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. She kicked down the door at Vogue, and she starred on Broadway as Roxy.

Speaker 7 She's an author, an entrepreneur, a TV host, and as of this month, the creative force behind a game-changing new collection at JCPenney.

Speaker 7 She's a supermodel, a super mom, and proof that confidence is the best accessory. Please give a massive House of Mar welcome to the one and only Ashley Graham.
Woo!

Speaker 6 God, that was a lot. Long list to accolades.

Speaker 9 Well, I, did you guys get dressed up for me? Yeah.

Speaker 22 Oh, good outfits for me. I'm really appreciative.

Speaker 7 Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 And I feel like we can all fit in together.

Speaker 6 Yeah. When you look like this, we have to look a little better too.

Speaker 7 If you came into sweats, we'd be like, you know what?

Speaker 11 Hey, hey.

Speaker 9 But I watched and I like, you guys do get dressed up a little bit. You throw yourselves together.
So I knew what I was getting myself into.

Speaker 6 We're trying to figure it out. I think we're figuring out our personal styles a little bit through this.
For sure.

Speaker 9 You guys, because it does take a minute.

Speaker 11 31.

Speaker 7 31, 29, 26.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I feel like I didn't really like get my personal style until like after kids.
And that was like recent. Yeah.
I've just, it's been a journey.

Speaker 7 No, for sure. I feel like I'm also getting hotter

Speaker 7 with age. I think people are like, oh, your 20s are the best.
I don't know.

Speaker 9 I really feel like I'm understanding. I said that to you.

Speaker 6 Society.

Speaker 13 I don't remember.

Speaker 8 Society saying younger is better, maybe. No, it's not.

Speaker 9 You're so confused in your 20s. You don't make the like a lot of decisions you make are irrational.

Speaker 9 There's a lot of things that can go down in your 20s. Just remember, it gets better.
I'm getting better. And I'm really excited to turn 40 in a couple of years.

Speaker 9 I think that one's going to be really good.

Speaker 11 Why so? You just feel.

Speaker 9 Oh, well, I'm already a confident person, but we all have our not confident days.

Speaker 9 So I can only imagine how much better it's just even going to get and just more life experience with maturity comes wisdom.

Speaker 7 Do you speak your mind even more? Like when you're at a restaurant, will you be like, I hate this drink, send it back? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 15 Did you ever have a problem with that?

Speaker 6 Or? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 9 Like I was always, my husband, he's very much like when we go, you said restaurant. He's all about where are we sitting in the restaurant.

Speaker 9 It'll ruin his whole night if we're not in the right, in the right table. So he'll, we'll sit down.
He'll be like, this isn't correct. And he'll say, we have to get up.
And I'm like, no, please.

Speaker 9 I don't want to be this, oh, my God. But now I'm like, whatever.
You know what? Whatever makes you happy, babe.

Speaker 6 Absolutely. And I'll get up and we'll move.

Speaker 7 That's our mom, too. If they put us in a restaurant, like it'll be an empty restaurant.
And they'll put us right next to another table.

Speaker 9 She's like, why can't we just sit around?

Speaker 9 We don't want to be crowded right now.

Speaker 7 The woman's speaking your mind. You know what? I'm like, let her do it.
And I'm excited to get to that point because even now I'm getting better at it.

Speaker 7 But there's some things when I don't like something, just say it.

Speaker 7 Or I know restaurants are a good thing, but there's stuff in life too, where even

Speaker 23 business right

Speaker 8 behind clothes.

Speaker 6 Clothes.

Speaker 9 Not wearing bras like the three of you.

Speaker 6 Oh, you have a bras.

Speaker 11 And you're technically not right too, or does this count as one? Well, I don't know.

Speaker 9 The boostier, doesn't that kind of count as one?

Speaker 22 I may, yeah.

Speaker 6 They're a little tickly. They're not like, like, they're not.
They're not, they're not like.

Speaker 10 Stop putting me

Speaker 6 in my face.

Speaker 12 I'm so jealous.

Speaker 6 I might just unbutton this top one. Yeah, you got to get it.

Speaker 10 Give us a little bit more.

Speaker 6 Come on, girl.

Speaker 12 I'm not even filling out this cup.

Speaker 11 This morning it was sitting on her in such a way that there was a little, I was like, why don't we shift this?

Speaker 6 We can push that up a little bit.

Speaker 14 And that's what we're getting.

Speaker 6 It's a 36 A.

Speaker 7 Good. Oh, wait.
You're able to tell sizes. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 9 You're a 36. Yeah.
You probably thought you were 38, but you're not. You're definitely a 36.
And I would, if I were you, I'd be like an A.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because in the A, we could just have a little padding and then you can make a swell.

Speaker 9 I need that. Do you know what the swell is?

Speaker 6 It's like this part this part of your boob that's called a swell yeah put a little a cup with a little cushion at the bottom will just give you a little blip one time i had that in a dress this one time this one time remembers it fondly she remembers it it was great i your dancing with stars dresses though too did a good job of like if they really could you ever contour alona oh i got to

Speaker 6 when you get a spray tan though they will do that they'll contour you yes

Speaker 9 when i just walked the vs show she was contouring abs on me oh my i don't have abs

Speaker 9 She was like, Okay, now, like, suck in and go, like,

Speaker 9 and like, just

Speaker 10 vision of something.

Speaker 9 She's like,

Speaker 6 so

Speaker 9 if you zoom in, you can see the contour.

Speaker 7 Oh, okay, I'll take a look because we saw you on that runway.

Speaker 7 One of the better outfits out there, I would say.

Speaker 9 Well, you can't go wrong with black lingerie, like lace lingerie.

Speaker 10 How much of a hand do you get to have in what you're wearing?

Speaker 11 Do you get anything, or they just tell you?

Speaker 9 They kind of tell. Okay, so this is how this fitting went.
I was doing, I did it last year and last year was very, and how that the process of getting the outfit was similar.

Speaker 9 Last year was my twins were two years old. So I was like, you know, postpartum twin mom life, like we have to cover everything.

Speaker 9 But happy to be here.

Speaker 9 So at first it was a string thong and I said,

Speaker 9 ma'am, this is going to be a no for me. Do you have any bodysuits? So then it was a string thong with a bodysuit over it.
Okay.

Speaker 9 And then this year they put on a string thong with a big granny panty, like a C-sprup granny panty over it. But then they wanted these stockings that came up the thigh.

Speaker 9 And I don't know if you guys have ever worn those, but I had this like major fat roll just right here.

Speaker 9 And like if I went to go wipe, like I wouldn't have even be able to get there unless if I like lifted.

Speaker 24 It was just,

Speaker 9 yeah.

Speaker 9 So I said, I'm not wearing these.

Speaker 23 That's just how I said it.

Speaker 24 Speaking of confidence.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.
So she said, take them off. I don't want you to wear them then.

Speaker 9 And that's, that's, that's how I got the outfit that I have. Then when I went out to put my wings on, they had also made this headdress thing for me.
Like it was kind of like a showgirl.

Speaker 9 Some of the girls had them on.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I was playing some of them.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And it was the same like material as my wings, like feathers, black feathers, but it kind of fell like almost in front of my face a little bit.

Speaker 9 And Adam Settleman, who's the fashion designer and creator there, I said, Adam, kind of covering my face. I was like, the money maker.
And he goes, take it off, honey. Okay.

Speaker 9 And, you know, with reason, you can kind of, you know, say what you want because it's, I'm the one wearing it.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 9 I'm the one having to rock it down the runway. But everything else I loved.
I mean, I had two bras on. So, you know, those girls are secure.
They're in there. They're under the chin.

Speaker 9 And I was living.

Speaker 6 It was fun. It sure was really fun.

Speaker 11 Why so?

Speaker 9 It was just, it was a different energy backstage. Adam really like brought something to the Victoria's Secret runway show.

Speaker 9 And I think to the whole company that they haven't had for a long time, which is just like young vibrance and this idea of fantasy. And Victoria's Secret has always been known for that fantasy bra.

Speaker 9 And there was something that was really like upbeat, fantasy, and inspirational about this show that I think they just needed. It was like a breath of fresh air.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 There was a lot of buzz around it.

Speaker 6 There was. It was awesome.

Speaker 9 They still have a ways to go, I think, though, Victoria's Secret, just like with inclusivity and like keeping like an honest grip of like sizes and continuing to go up and like what does that look like for the campaigns and everything but I think like it's always they're always making another step forward and you've been into these spaces kind of like the first into a lot of them like even Victoria's Secret the first into that space showing your body were you ever like hesitant to do the show or did it just feel natural like oh no I'm gonna do this and show that no last year it took a lot for me to say yes

Speaker 9 I I actually had like um a zoom with the CEO and a few of the people who are at the like a part of the casting as a whole and they were they were like, please, we just, you know, we want to be able to showcase every different type of body and size.

Speaker 9 And I said, but I can't say yes unless if you tell me that you're really going to go into extended sizes. I actually do that.

Speaker 9 Because anytime I put my name on something, the expectation is in that, like, you can get extended sizes.

Speaker 9 That's, that's what you get when you get me, myself, and I, and everything that I bring along with it.

Speaker 9 And I can't say yes to a brand, which I have said yes to many brands as the token curvy, plus size, voluptuous, curvy, sex, delicious, whatever you want to call us because there's so many stupid labels yeah

Speaker 9 anyways so they made it very clear like yes we're going up into the g's and the h's we're going up into the 40 40 42 bands and that's really what mattered to me and so that's why i said yes last year and then again this year

Speaker 9 adam was really like a big thing for me this year it was fun Did he do last year too? No, he's it's all brand new this year.

Speaker 11 Wow. So when you say like you put your name on something, so then it's assumed that they will have these sizes, do people ever then come for you when you said yes to things in the past.

Speaker 11 They make it your fault when it's not it's it's your face.

Speaker 9 I always go back to this like legalese. It's like your name image and likeness.
Right.

Speaker 9 And that's what happens on socials. You know, it's what people see.
They don't know, you know,

Speaker 9 whether it's a new brand or an old house or whatever it is, everything in between. They see you and then they assume.

Speaker 9 X, Y, and Z comes along with it.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 6 That's a lot of, a lot of power you hold.

Speaker 9 That's why you got to be careful.

Speaker 7 And you have a great team around you. I see a team of ladies.
Ladies. That's my team, too.
Ladies. My agent, little 5-2,

Speaker 7 punching.

Speaker 14 She's ready to go at me. I'm like this big lady.

Speaker 17 I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 19 You got to talk to my agent. You got to talk to the big lady next to me.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 7 she's my manager over there.

Speaker 9 And I just think, like, you're the manager? Yes.

Speaker 9 Wait, I didn't know this. That's made.
How does that work?

Speaker 7 I Venmo her each month.

Speaker 22 It was really where she was actually.

Speaker 9 Are you on salary or are you like on commission?

Speaker 11 I'm like like a like an expense, like a contracted worker, essentially. Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 I now have my team. My financial advisor, also a lady.
She used to be a D1 basketball player, Columbia.

Speaker 22 She's our tall baddie.

Speaker 9 But where is the men's?

Speaker 7 In my team, I got a tax guy.

Speaker 6 My lawyers have been.

Speaker 16 All my lawyers are mine too.

Speaker 22 I love Nate, Nate. Shout out, Nate.

Speaker 7 Rates are crazy, but I love you, man.

Speaker 10 You know, really good.

Speaker 7 No, it's been a, I think having that team and also like when I go to shoots with my team,

Speaker 7 they'll like look at me and be like fix things up or we'll go to fittings and they just are there to help whereas if i had a male agent like yeah perfect let's do it

Speaker 9 i have male agents and i think that they have a good say in some stuff too even like designing my lawn my uh clothing line with jc penny it was i have a male agent um and he was asking like really good questions he's got daughters and a wife that would definitely be interested in the line it was like i was like Thank you.

Speaker 6 That I didn't think about that.

Speaker 9 That's why we need, we need everybody.

Speaker 14 We do. We do.

Speaker 7 Maybe I'll bring somebody else to me.

Speaker 9 Nobody's married, right? You guys aren't married.

Speaker 6 No, nobody's married. So before everybody's single, very single and attempting to date, but I went on.

Speaker 9 I'm ready to mingle.

Speaker 9 It's hard out here. I've got a lot of single girlfriends.

Speaker 6 It's very weird.

Speaker 16 Are you helping them?

Speaker 7 Are you setting them up? Are you kidding?

Speaker 9 I'm doing everything in my power. Can we get added to that roster?

Speaker 9 You guys, I am the best wing woman you'll ever meet for men and women, by the way.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 9 I have some of my straight guy friends calling me, asking me for advice on a consistent basis. But my best girlfriends, I will take their phones and swipe for them and get them dates.

Speaker 9 Like I get it in the back. Now, I had an agent once tell me, I will open up the doors for you, but it's your job to get invited back in.
Right.

Speaker 9 That's my same sentiment with my girlfriends. I will open every door for you, but it's your job to show up on that first date and win.

Speaker 6 Right. I really like that.

Speaker 11 My problem is I can get myself dates and then I'm on a date.

Speaker 6 I'm like, what am I doing here?

Speaker 11 It feels like a job interview. I'm the only one asking questions.

Speaker 6 But then that's not your person.

Speaker 19 Exactly.

Speaker 9 You just, you you have to date a lot.

Speaker 9 My mom, in her like one year of dating,

Speaker 9 she, my mom and dad got her divorce. She was single for five years and then she dated for a whole year.
She dated almost 70 people like over the course of a year.

Speaker 6 I don't know if that's

Speaker 22 a part-time, full-time job for her. And

Speaker 9 this is what she did. She was on Bumble.
This is not an ad for Bumble.

Speaker 9 She was on Bumble and she took like a cross-country trip with her girlfriends driving and opened up Bumble in every city and went on dates in every city, multiple dates and just dated across the country then was on a flight of going home and that's where she met her fiancé then they were together five years later because she was putting that energy out there you know she's put giving out you're giving some kind of blockage i think i am you're blocked guys we've got to figure out this blog we heard you met your husband in an elevator yeah at church that's another good place

Speaker 9 yeah or like whatever you like a social setting yeah so community settings yeah or like not even just social setting like religious social setting like are you going to synagogue?

Speaker 9 Are you going to church? Are you going to like Buddhist temple?

Speaker 9 Like, whatever that is, there's a baseline there that is really helpful when you have the same morals and integrity and belief system that really like you can knock that out.

Speaker 9 You're like, well, we already got that. We know, we know that you love Jesus and so do I.
So,

Speaker 6 salvation.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That's a good point.
How long did you date?

Speaker 9 A year. And we didn't have sex the whole time.

Speaker 10 Good job.

Speaker 7 If that's what you wanted.

Speaker 6 Wow. Oh, you did say good job.
That's what you did.

Speaker 9 I just thought it was like more of like a drum roll please.

Speaker 18 Oh my god. That is amazing.

Speaker 9 Also, not having been a virgin, it was like, what the world is tough.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 But you guys made that decision together. We did.

Speaker 9 That was a tough one. But it was like so necessary because.
As you all know, you're out in these streets and you're doing exactly what I was doing.

Speaker 9 And you're trying to find the right gentleman to do life with. And I realized, hmm, I'm doing this the incorrect way.
I'm giving so much of my power away and I'm tired tired of giving my power away.

Speaker 9 Let me hold on to it a little bit.

Speaker 9 And then when I met Justin, I was like, I just want to like break you the news.

Speaker 9 You're not going to get any of the kitty cat

Speaker 6 ever.

Speaker 6 I'm so and he was like, oh.

Speaker 9 This is great. I don't want to do that too until I'm married.
And I was like, what? I found somebody that's like on the same page as me. And

Speaker 9 so things progressed quickly. And next thing you know, we're saying, I love you.
Next thing you know, it's the parents are meeting. And he,

Speaker 9 um, yeah,

Speaker 6 we got married.

Speaker 13 Unreal foundation for yourselves.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Just wow.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Everything was based off of friendship.

Speaker 11 Whereas if like I told a man, well, I'm not going to have sex with you. And he's like, that's fine.

Speaker 11 I'd be like, fuck, I got to have sex with him because he was so cool with me not having sex with him.

Speaker 6 No, Olivia, learn from Ashley.

Speaker 9 Then you don't have sex with him. This is the thing.
Like, if it's like fine, like if you want to have sex with me before you're married, go for it. But like, make him work for it.

Speaker 9 Make him wait for something because then you're actually like getting through the nitty-gritty of like, do you like each other? Do you you enjoy each other's company?

Speaker 9 Like, do you think that, and I'm not like jumping to marriage on the first date, but it's like, could you see yourself like building something with this person?

Speaker 6 That's all.

Speaker 9 Write that down. I mean, when you have sex with somebody, you're like binding yourself to them in a way where you're like,

Speaker 9 you're an emotional wit. Like, we're women.
We're like, we're like, oh, I really like them. I mean, we can all have like non-emotional sex, sure.

Speaker 9 But like, really, like, when you're looking and hunting.

Speaker 22 How old were you when you

Speaker 9 decided this? We got married when I was 22.

Speaker 25 We met when I was 21.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 9 I dated half in New York City when I moved to New York at 17.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Nope, for you.

Speaker 18 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 9 Yeah. That was my, that's the cave.

Speaker 6 I'm like, oh, right.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 11 That's right as a woman. I feel that way as well.

Speaker 7 There is some time I think there's so many people that I gave access to myself and to my body that I'm like, they don't deserve that. They didn't deserve it anymore.

Speaker 7 And now you can say you've had that part of me. And we have a mom who's like, kind of, what's, what did she say?

Speaker 7 Like, you know, when you're having sex with somebody, you're having sex with all the people he's had sex with before, which is like true in some ways, but she's kind of it.

Speaker 24 She's like soul ties. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And you also think about that too. I mean, not to get spiritual or anything.
Right. But like, it's all deep.

Speaker 6 It's all deep.

Speaker 9 And then also when you're going deep.

Speaker 15 She was kind of sharing it more also with the SDD point of view. So that also really affected us too.

Speaker 6 Of like, I don't trust anybody's body.

Speaker 15 Like, I'm going to need to see the test results. Like, I'm almost too protective.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 15 And I'm like, sometimes I think it, it's hurts me more because I'm not putting myself out there because I'm like, I don't know what you guys have.

Speaker 15 You're having sex with everybody and who they're having sex with.

Speaker 9 But that's the whole point of like just dating and then figuring it out. Cause then you build like a trust and a relationship with someone.
And then you're like, hey, let's go get tested together.

Speaker 6 I have a fun date idea. Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 9 Let's go do shots and like

Speaker 6 that's funny.

Speaker 11 Or like whatever your thing is. Giving access to yourself.
That was even me on the the date where he's not asking me a single question. Like he, I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 11 Actually, I don't want him to know anything about me. You don't get, you don't, if you're not interested, you don't get any bit of me.
I'm not going to supply the information myself. No.

Speaker 11 As simple as that. Like,

Speaker 9 dating is not easy.

Speaker 7 But she's trying. She's got some more lined up.

Speaker 11 Trying.

Speaker 6 When's your next date?

Speaker 7 Soon. She canceled one recently to hang out with my friend.

Speaker 18 Okay, but that's one of my girlfriends.

Speaker 9 She'll make dates and then she'll forget that she made the date. Oh, what?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 9 She's not really trying. She acts like she is.

Speaker 6 She acts like she is.

Speaker 10 No, I just like, I have this weird thing where it's like, my female friendships are so fulfilling and they keep me going.

Speaker 11 And they like, why would I go see a man who probably won't ask me questions when I could have this unbelievable, joyous night of like women and girlhood and sharing and seeing somebody eye to eye and into each other's souls?

Speaker 11 You know, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do that over a dirty martini then.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 6 Are they worthy of that? But you're not a lesbian. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Are those great ladies going to I don't know.

Speaker 9 I had to ask. I was, she said looking deep into each other's eyes and souls.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 wait a second hang on

Speaker 11 you're like may i also predict something else

Speaker 6 well well

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Speaker 16 I mean, you really are for the girls.

Speaker 9 I'm such a girl's girl. I actually like, I'll judge you sideways if you're not a girl's girl.
I mean,

Speaker 9 like, we all know them and we don't trust them.

Speaker 11 What's it? Have you ever, what's a certain thing you've noticed when somebody's not a girl's girl?

Speaker 9 I don't know.

Speaker 9 It comes in all different styles, in my opinion. I'm just like, I'm the girl that's like, you want the contact? I'll give you the contact.
You want to know where to get a facial?

Speaker 9 Like, here, use my name.

Speaker 9 I don't know. Just also, like, you want to grab a drink? Let me tell you, I don't know, mommy advice.
Like, I'm just an open book, but I'm,

Speaker 9 but I'm all, I don't know. I just, I also just like having girls around.
Girl energy is the best. I also live in a house full of boys.

Speaker 6 I was about to ask, how does being a girl

Speaker 22 affect raising three boys?

Speaker 9 Well, I know that one of my goals in life is to have my kids, my sons, partners, come up to me and say, thank you.

Speaker 9 Because I want to raise respectful, responsible, sweet, kind,

Speaker 9 awesome young men. And they're still so little.
They're three, three, and five. But, you know, it starts now.
The foundation of like what kind of amazing kid I'm going to get.

Speaker 9 But it's, it's crazy up in there. It's like WWE every night.
I'm like, no, no head shots, only body shots, please.

Speaker 9 Oh, my one four-year-old's already lost five teeth. No, one three-year-old, he's already lost five teeth because of fighting.

Speaker 9 Like these are straight up rugby boys.

Speaker 6 Oh, you know, maybe they can't do it.

Speaker 22 They can pick each other up.

Speaker 9 I don't know anything about rugby. I just know you guys pick each other up at some point.

Speaker 22 Yes. Yep.

Speaker 9 By like the shorts, right? Yeah. So I keep seeing those thighs on TV.
Yeah. I know.

Speaker 14 Sweet, sweet thighs out there.

Speaker 22 Anyhoot.

Speaker 9 I love my voice. You know, your parents just want you to be happy, but also like they are thinking about your future the moment you're born.
Yeah. I know this now.
And I'm like, what?

Speaker 9 field will I put my children in?

Speaker 9 I just want some plumbers and contractors.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I really do. Electricians in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Tradesmen. I know the trades.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, let's start the business now. I'll build the LLC.
Yes. And we already bring them to Home Depot sometimes and we do these like crafty things like in the back in the workshops.

Speaker 9 It's really great programs for kids there. But I'm already like mapping it out.

Speaker 6 Yeah, right.

Speaker 11 I just saw a girl posted something that she's trying to date this man and she asked him what time Home Depot opens and he goes, I don't know, probably 10. She's like, that's not the man for me.

Speaker 11 He's never been to a Home Depot in his life.

Speaker 13 Literally.

Speaker 14 Never mind.

Speaker 6 Literally. I love love that.
Actually,

Speaker 9 that should be in your bio for dating.

Speaker 9 Thanks. What time does Home Depot open?

Speaker 6 What time does Home Depot open?

Speaker 11 If you don't know, you're not the man for me. Sorry.

Speaker 6 She hates me.

Speaker 7 In your book, you talk about affirmations.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 7 Did your mom have affirmations or is that something you started later on? Like, was there something that she always said?

Speaker 9 So she didn't know that she had affirmations, but she did.

Speaker 9 And we grew, I grew up very religious and so everything was like bible in our house and it was like we always went back to the proverbs and to the psalms and it was like the things that were spoken over your life and so that's like how i was raised but it wasn't like this like shoveling it down your throat kind of religion it was just more like these are the good things and so having that baseline and then kind of growing up in a weird world on social media it was just like i would put little blurbs on social media like i am bold and then i am brilliant i am beautiful and realizing oh I need this stuff yeah and it was kind of around the same time that I started realizing what affirmations were was when the secret book came out and even though it was like all this hype and then it kind of went away and whatever there is a real thing as manifestation like it does exist like you can manifest whatever you want in your life and although it all happened at a youngish age I guess like 17 18 19 I was manifesting the things that I wanted in my life and had no idea like what these affirmations these manifestations were really going to do for my future.

Speaker 9 But the baseline truly was being at home, my mom reciting Bible verses over me and my sisters, and not even really like correlating the two until much later.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Crazy, right? And when you do them now, are you looking in the mirror? Is it just

Speaker 8 looking in the mirror?

Speaker 9 I'm driving my car. I'm saying it to my kids' faces.
We're saying them back and forth to each other. My husband and I do it to each other too.
Like your words have power.

Speaker 9 Like everything that comes out of your mouth is, you need to be careful because it has, there's so much intention that goes into it.

Speaker 9 But yes, a lot of like my body talk has been

Speaker 9 the affirmations have come in handy because I've had so many jobs not happen because I was too, too this or too that, whether I'm too big or too small or, you know, anything in between.

Speaker 9 And I've had to really talk myself off the ledge a few times, just fight through. the fluff of not fitting into an industry that just wasn't quote unquote made for me.

Speaker 6 Sorry, I feel like I was just like on a podium.

Speaker 14 No, that was good.

Speaker 7 I need to start doing that because sometimes I can be pretty negative to myself. Yeah, it's hard.
Like I'll think about things and I'll be like, they'll even hear it sometimes.

Speaker 7 I'll sometimes mumble it out and they'll be like, what did you just say?

Speaker 6 Are you talking about my friend?

Speaker 18 Don't do that.

Speaker 6 Talking about my friend, yeah.

Speaker 7 It's gotten like, I say, I'll say something bad and then I'm like, hey, hold on. And then it's like almost what I say next that I try to like more focus on.

Speaker 7 But It has been, it's, maybe it is more being a spotlight or whatnot, but I think that's something I'm trying to do even more being like kinder.

Speaker 7 And when I think something like, hey, you know, you're human, you're, you're beautiful and all that, because I'm going through a phase right now where usually I'm an Olympic athlete, I'm training constantly.

Speaker 7 And so now I'm taking some time off. I'm not working out as much.
So not my body hasn't changed much. It's just changed a little bit.

Speaker 7 It's still amazing and powerful, but it's like when you go from that really unrealistic lifestyle of just training, training, training to what I think is more my normal body, it's been kind of a journey now.

Speaker 7 And I think I need to be kinder to myself and to my body as I go through these changes.

Speaker 9 Yes. And then popping out kids was like a whole nature.

Speaker 9 I don't recognize my stomach. I'm like, I don't, I still don't know you.

Speaker 9 The whole body positivity and body neutrality conversation really became interesting to me when I had my kids because of how my body had changed so much. And I said, ah, I get it.

Speaker 9 I understand the difference of being like, I am so so great i am so wonderful i love you body to

Speaker 9 thank you body for working right thank you body for waking up because the difference really is is there and i think that both are needed and some days i'm more body neutrality and some days i'm more body positivity and and i i think that the two can go hand in hand to a degree as long as you understand the differences but i'm never not going to tell my body like you're so weak and you suck like no i'm i'm going to remind it like thank you for for working and thank you for waking up and not having like you know issues

Speaker 9 So that

Speaker 9 was something that was really interesting to me about body neutrality and having people start talking about that.

Speaker 9 That's why I have this like love hate with social media because like there's so much expectations on social media, but then I get so much education on it too.

Speaker 9 Cause I would have never known about body neutrality for like some TikToks or something.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But I think that there's really something to having that body neutrality over yourself and being like, it's okay to not really like what you see in the mirror, but to know that your body is strong and powerful and it's working today.

Speaker 13 Yeah. Because people love asking alone.

Speaker 11 I'm like, oh, you're so muscular. What's your body positivity? Like, you're a warrior.
And she's like, but I'm body appreciative.

Speaker 21 I appreciate what my body does.

Speaker 9 Is that the same thing as body neutrality?

Speaker 10 I mean, I think it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 I'm very similar.

Speaker 7 I just,

Speaker 7 I think we're very similar in that. They always say I'm body positive.
And I'm like, actually, sometimes I really don't like my stomach, but I'm very happy.

Speaker 7 Like, I'm a professional athlete and I still don't like it. So it's definitely been a journey.

Speaker 7 And I, I'm interested also with you, this age we're seeing as well with skinny skinny coming back does it feel like you're always constantly fighting the fight where where's well you're right you're right

Speaker 6 no thank you actually

Speaker 9 the it's just no I hear you though I'm in the middle of it I get it uh yeah what was your question

Speaker 9 do you just feel like you're constantly having because you were at the forefront of it yeah and it's like never ending now like you are just constantly having to put yourself out there put your message out there there's never I've come to terms with this and I've actually even had to talk to my therapist about it I'm never not going to be in a place in my career where I'm not talking about my body.

Speaker 9 And I just have to be okay with that because being the first and having in many things and having my body be the biggest and the most forefront part of my career, it's just always going to be there.

Speaker 9 Right. And it sucks because I have days where I don't want to talk about my body.
I don't want to discuss the fact that I have cellulite. I don't want to discuss inclusivity and inclusion.

Speaker 9 But guess what? That's my job and I have to. And I always go back to middle school, school, Ashley.
And I think about who does she have to look up to? Who does she have to be inspired by and

Speaker 9 feel encouraged by? And that actually didn't have anybody. So hopefully this is anything and everything that I say and I talk about can be that for the younger girl watching.

Speaker 9 And that's why I do it. And I just, there are the days that I don't want to do it, I just tell myself to get over it.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 7 We do need that. We do need that.

Speaker 15 And I will say, I'm 26. And so when when I was going through middle and high school, more high school, like, I was seeing you in like the modeling sphere.

Speaker 15 And it was the first time, like, really, I saw someone that I was like, oh, I look like that. And it was an incredible source for me to have you.

Speaker 17 Thank you. You know, and it's just,

Speaker 15 it's so amazing. Like, I also grew up very lucky if I've got these two older sisters who have similar body types to me.

Speaker 15 And I'm like, if I think they're beautiful, then like, how come I don't think I'm beautiful?

Speaker 15 And so I just think it's important to kind of keep that and push that. And, you know, now I get some comments like, I love how when you get the you're so brave and I was like oh my god

Speaker 6 I just posted one phone on my like

Speaker 9 right right so let's they don't really know because it's because it's them saying like I would never do that

Speaker 9 I know it would take them to be brave to do something I know social that's like the comments are so funny

Speaker 15 I don't know and I'm I don't know how you guys do like I get like maybe like two and I'm like

Speaker 7 and there's you you just deal so much at that point they need to start thinking of new comments. I mean, I imagine it's the same for, it's the same for me constantly.
It's like, you look like a man.

Speaker 7 You masculine. All right, here we go.

Speaker 23 Yeah. That's not hitting me anymore.

Speaker 7 Something else.

Speaker 6 Like, give me something new. It's exhausting.

Speaker 10 It's exhausting.

Speaker 23 Like, I've seen that one 20 other times.

Speaker 7 Seriously. Say it in a different way.

Speaker 19 It's not. Get creative people.

Speaker 9 It's not nice. We don't like not nice people.

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Speaker 11 Well, I want to say you have served as the creative director for an exclusive collection of JCP.

Speaker 9 Hello, JCPenney.

Speaker 10 Hey, she walked in. Celebrating Kirby Women.

Speaker 23 Can you talk to us about that?

Speaker 13 Tell us what's, tell us what's hot.

Speaker 11 Tell us what's good.

Speaker 6 What

Speaker 6 She said.

Speaker 6 Tell me everything.

Speaker 9 Yes, I am now the creative director of my own line, Ashley Graham at JCPenney. It's such like a pinch-me moment for me.

Speaker 9 Like I have had collaborations and done the things like in swim, lingerie, and custom denim out of Italy. And it's been really fun in those moments.

Speaker 9 But this is like, this is a lot bigger in the sense of

Speaker 9 I grew up going to JCPenney. I was also a catalog model for JCPenney.

Speaker 9 And so, when I walked back into the offices to start the design process, I was like,

Speaker 9 smells the same in here.

Speaker 11 You're like ratatouille when you taste the food.

Speaker 6 You're back at 16.

Speaker 9 It was so weird. And they had renovated everything, but yet that same distinct smell.

Speaker 9 So, anyways, it was just, it felt like, ah, you know, like when things feel like home to you, that's like when I get really comfortable and I can like ease into something and it feels just like natural.

Speaker 9 And then like, you know, no, no guard is up and you can really like be successful.

Speaker 9 And that's exactly what it felt like with JCPenney was just like walking into like a family office where I could go and just be free.

Speaker 9 The thing that I'm most excited about is that it's just for my curvy girls.

Speaker 9 And I think when you go shopping and you guys know, like you guys are curvy girls, but you're on that cusp where you can go into a store and they may not have your signs.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 9 And they may and they may say their body included included inclusion and like go up to a double double XL or something. And you're like, you're probably putting a double XL on.

Speaker 9 And you're like, how am I a double XL, right?

Speaker 9 And it's just not fair. Like the grading system is not made for us.
The

Speaker 9 in-store experience is not made for us. So this, I really wanted to make, and grading is like how you're making the sizes bigger or smaller for your clothing line.

Speaker 9 So I really wanted to make this collection. I wanted to make it tailored, like actually tailored.
I'm like, I need a nipple dart. I need a back.

Speaker 9 You you know, when you're back where the pants gap in the back, I need darts.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 9 And I wanted long jeans. I got long legs.
I know all you short girls at JCPenney is okay.

Speaker 6 But like there's stuff for them too.

Speaker 9 But the thing is, is like, there's just not stuff made for us. So I really went in guns a blazing and said, okay,

Speaker 9 this is not based off of a size chart. This is based off of like, what does this fashion forward chick really want to wear?

Speaker 9 And I feel like we did it successfully.

Speaker 7 we took a look at some of the pieces you did adriana bought some

Speaker 7 um and then my mom i know will love it

Speaker 6 i loved is mommy curvy yeah mama's curvy

Speaker 7 i loved the there was like long dresses that were still tight but i imagine you being creative director have created in such a way that it's gonna make them like being tight it's gonna make women feel just sexy as well because it's just shapely it was you know not i think sometimes like oh just give them loose clothing yeah give give the bigger girls loose clothing.

Speaker 18 No, no, no.

Speaker 9 Everything's like a lower neckline, a higher hem.

Speaker 23 No shoulder cutouts.

Speaker 6 No, oh, don't do a shoulder.

Speaker 9 The cold shoulder.

Speaker 9 You know another one that they really love? Like, not they as in Jay C Venny, but like they, it is like a blanket statement is a safari look for

Speaker 6 a sex girl. What the hell? What's the safari?

Speaker 9 Why are we going on a safari every day?

Speaker 6 I'm done.

Speaker 13 Safari with our shoulders out.

Speaker 13 What?

Speaker 6 What is happening? Yeah.

Speaker 9 No, like, look at this pinstripe set. And also a little sexy bustier.
Come on. Let's make it hot.
Let's make it hot.

Speaker 9 It's like everything from, like, I just want to hang out in my baggy jeans to I'm going to the office and I want to have a power suit and everything in between.

Speaker 9 I was really intentional about ruching as well. Like, to your point, tight, tight dresses, but like, I put the ruching in the right place.
I gave you a double mesh. Like, I'm, I don't love prints.

Speaker 9 So, the prints that were made are prints that are from my closet prior that I know a size 3x could never find that feels chic.

Speaker 9 So yeah, some of it's fairly nostalgic for me too.

Speaker 7 The tight red one was nice. Thank you.

Speaker 16 A little bit of design on there.

Speaker 9 Well, if you put on like 10 to 20 pounds, like come on over. Okay.

Speaker 11 That would be a great challenge.

Speaker 6 I'm down.

Speaker 23 Well, when it opens up again, if you do other sizes, I'm there.

Speaker 6 Okay. All right.
I will be your muscular model.

Speaker 16 Okay.

Speaker 7 Do you see like this brand building? Do you see also having a store of your own or something like that?

Speaker 9 I am building a business right now that has nothing to do with fashion or beauty or anything. And

Speaker 9 it's a very exciting business. And there is a lot that goes into it.
So when it comes to like clothing, it's like a whole other beast also.

Speaker 9 I think that it's not a hard no. I would definitely start something from the ground up.

Speaker 9 But as of right now, like being able to walk in to a fully, fully formed department store like a JC Penny that already has a

Speaker 9 the clientele that has all the manufacturers, that has the designers, it's been really refreshing for them to say, okay, we want, we want fresh eyes.

Speaker 9 We want all of you creatively to come in with all your ideas and to be able to march in and say and demand

Speaker 9 exactly what I want and for it to be able to be executed correctly without me having to go fundraise and build and find, you know, operators and all of this has been really a blessing.

Speaker 7 Before we close out, can you give us the best piece of advice just as

Speaker 7 strong, big women who are entering the dating scene, who want have you to look up to?

Speaker 19 What can you tell us?

Speaker 9 No pressure. Don't get advice from people that you don't like the decisions that they've made.

Speaker 6 You're quick with that.

Speaker 17 That's a good one.

Speaker 9 But that's one I live by. Like, I'm not going to ask you a question when you don't have like real solid foundational experience that I also like appreciate or look up to.

Speaker 9 Also, just don't have sex on the first date and then maybe you'll figure out if you like it.

Speaker 16 That's good too. We need to listen.

Speaker 9 We've all had one night's date. I mean, we all, but I'm just saying, just try not to.

Speaker 9 And I'm serious about dating. I think we can.
We can do it.

Speaker 9 I think I can. I think I can.

Speaker 22 Where's my chastity belt?

Speaker 11 I believe in me.

Speaker 6 Dre. We all got this.

Speaker 22 Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 This was fabulous.

Speaker 21 Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 9 So nice to hang out with the sisters.

Speaker 6 The girls, the sports sisters.

Speaker 6 Sisters.

Speaker 6 Such lovely sisters.

Speaker 6 Beautiful. God, we are good at that.

Speaker 9 I'm just glad you guys aren't too young to know what that song is.

Speaker 15 Oh, no. Our dad had all the VHS tapes of

Speaker 15 every MGM movie.

Speaker 6 Yeah. We were

Speaker 6 a lot of. You were raised right.
Yeah, like stuff.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 15 Well, thank you so much for coming over to the House of Mar, a Wave Original. Follow Ashley Graham on all the socials.

Speaker 20 Is it just Ashley Ashley Graham?

Speaker 22 Is there a dot?

Speaker 9 No, it's just me, Ashley. Ashley Graham.

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Speaker 6 Paid for that.

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Speaker 11 Plus, follow the show on social media at House of Marr for clips and behind-the-scenes content. See you next time.
You guys get out of here.

Speaker 6 Bye, Ashley.

Speaker 7 You haven't seen this? The kids are doing this.

Speaker 4 Next up is a little song from CarMax about selling a car your way.

Speaker 4 So fast.

Speaker 26 Wanna take a sec to think about it.

Speaker 4 Or like a month.

Speaker 26 Wanna keep tabs on that instant offer.

Speaker 4 With offer watch.

Speaker 26 Wanna have CarMax pick it up from the driveway.

Speaker 3 So, want to drive?

Speaker 4 CarMax. Pickup not available everywhere.

Speaker 3 Restrictions and fee may apply.

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