Episode 396: Jim Reviews Money In The Bank & Worlds Collide

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Hello again, friends!

The chair rolls and we roll on and you are our friends and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through.

I'm in the red.

According to this thing here, I may have to play around with my audio, but we're going to have fun today.

Big reviews, big fun.

I'm your host, the great Brian Last, and here he is, the man of the hour, the leader of the Cult of Cornette, the star of the drive-through, Mr.

Jim Cornett.

You know, you're screaming, and I don't know why

because you were all fired up there, and the desk chair rolls, and the organ strikes

making you making your music there.

Brian is what you were doing.

You were making your music, and you got all

fired up there, and everything.

You know, even if I'm in a cranky mood, I hear the opening strains of your

melodic

performance there.

LeMan, do you have the theme to the great Brian Last there?

Much like Percy Faith's theme from a summer place.

Yes, very good.

It's ingrained in everybody's childhood memories.

You know, I look at it like, you know, Percy Faith,

Henry Mancini, the Great Brian Last,

and we'll see who comes next.

There's a little Pink Panther involved in this, but also it sounds like...

Chicko Marks.

There's a lot of chicko marks.

Do you have

some type of pet, possibly a guinea pig or a pet rat or a bunny rabbit or a marmoset or something that's just running up and down the keyboard making that noise?

Or do you actually have to manipulate that manually?

I played.

I think you can just let something loose.

Something with four legs or four feet at least.

That would sound like this.

maybe there you go now you got something

all right well that was like the open the opening theme to fernwood tonight i was fernwood tonight

i just

you mean america tonight

well when they went national but i i liked it when it was local television

He had to live somewhere within a 22-mile radius of Fernwood, Ohio, to be able to get that program in its early days.

That's when it had its charm.

But I'm cranky about something.

Speaking about television, since we have just wandered into this topic, have I mentioned lately how bad I hate the streaming television?

The streaming television.

Everybody's beloved streaming television.

People paid millions and billions of dollars for their streaming television.

Fuck you.

streaming television.

Would you like me to elaborate?

i mean yeah apparently not well i would like to hear i have no idea what your problem is this came out of nowhere what's your which streaming platform

i'll tell you what my problem are you the manager i'll tell you what my problem is

so i'm always said it's a pain in the ass you can't control the fast forward and the and on screen there's no on screen fast forward a lot of this stuff it's all fucking screwy it's it's iffy we had you know when i was a kid we had three television stations that were on the air for 18 hours a day.

And otherwise, we listened to the radio where we hummed.

We fucking hummed.

And after 60 hard years of technological innovation and scientific discovery, they got state-of-the-art, high-definition cable television plugged into the dagum wall.

plethora of channels all came in crystal clear, remote control in your hand, easy to operate, everything nice and reliable.

And then they fucked it all up in the last 10 years.

I only watch the streaming whenever one of our programs is being strummed.

Is that the proper past tense of the stream?

Strummed?

Streamed.

Well, otherwise, I watched the goddamn cable television the way God intended it, right?

But the other day,

I knocked off early in the evening.

I was tired.

I just, I was so tired, Brian.

And I said, I'm going to watch some kind of movie or entertainment or something for a couple hours before I go to sleep, like I always do every night on whatever I'm watching.

And so there was nothing on TV.

It said 6:30 in the evening.

There's no big blockbuster movie.

I go to the streaming TV.

And it wasn't the cock,

Peacock.

They,

good Lord, there's some drech on that thing.

No wonder

they're not doing well.

I think it was Netflix,

but it was one of these current horror movies where

you kind of get interested in what the fuck is going on, but they don't really tell you what the fuck has been going on until the last 10 minutes, that kind of a deal, right?

So, I'm an hour and 45 minutes into this thing, and they're just starting to tell me while these things have been going on.

And then

the thingy in the middle, the circle, the thing that the buffering, as the kids call it, the little circle in the middle, it just starts turning, right?

You know what I'm talking about.

Little circle, keep on turning while your television set is burning.

it starts buffering

and then it goes back for a second and then it starts doing that again.

And then I got it.

I'm trying to stop and go back for a set to click and see what did I.

And then the screen pops up and says, check your internet connection.

Well,

I don't really know how to check the internet connection, but I can assure you that it was connected the same way as it has been for the previous previous hour and 45 minutes.

I've been watching this thing with no goddamn issue.

Nobody, nobody's running around the house unplugging,

right?

And so I'm going.

And then I

hit the thing to take you back to the thing, and then it won't go at all.

And now I'm an hour and 45 minutes into this movie.

I have no idea what caused what's causing all this, as Arn Anderson would say.

And I stomp downstairs where

Stacey's on the phone with her mother.

I said, fuck streaming television.

She said, you want me to fix that?

No, never mind.

Now the mood is past.

And I still don't know what was causing all that, but

this morning.

In the movie or in the interview?

In the movie.

I don't know.

I'll never now.

I don't even remember what the title of the goddamn thing was.

I don't know how I'll ever find it again.

But anyway, this morning.

Hold on.

It was on Peacock?

No, I think I said it was on the, I think it was Netflix.

It was one of these things you click on the, she's got all these.

You just go back to it.

It'll show you recently watched.

It'll show you exactly where you were in it.

Well,

here's the fucking punchline to that.

Is the next day she said you want me to fix it?

I said, oh, go up and fix it then.

And she went up there.

Oh, it's connected just fine.

It's working just fine.

It just, when I watch it, because here's the part two

this morning, because last night was Monday night raw on Netflix,

I go down in a TV room and, like, I've done

every Tuesday morning for the past weeks, weeks, however long they've been on,

I hit the thing to go to Netflix and boom.

And I hit the thing and it shows me the hit the thing for Netflix, buffer, buffer, buffer, buffer, and then it would just stop.

I couldn't get Netflix on the goddamn television.

They know I hate them

and they're conspiring against me.

Who's they?

The fucking people in the walls that have the streaming going on.

They're pissing on all of us.

I hate this shit.

We had everything just, everything was fine.

Why do you keep fucking with shit when everything was fine?

I will say the easiest thing would be if everything was just cable, but obviously that's not it.

Everything for in-home use would be easier if everything was just on cable.

You could just press a channel number and go there.

Imagine that.

In-home use.

You can do what you want out in the yard.

Just let me have just regular cable in the home.

Did you see that Max is changing back to HBO Max?

No, I thought that he was still in the Hurt Syndicate.

No, not that Max.

Oh, you mean that?

That's TBS Max.

That's TBS.

Okay, yes.

Well, at least that way, somebody might know what the fuck it is.

Well, you know, HBO Max, HBO has a little cache in the industry, the name.

People have heard of it.

Max is just like, yeah,

he's a cute beagle.

You know, the problem, too, is Netflix is the leader and always will be, more than likely.

Disney Plus is specialized, but Disney Plus has a lot of value if you're into that world.

And of course, they have ABC and they have Hulu and everything else.

ESPN,

Max,

you know,

it doesn't hold up as a standalone, I don't think, especially because of the money behind it.

The idea would work if you were starting with like, you know, hey, we haven't put any money into this.

Let's make money starting now.

There's a lot of streaming services that exist and will and future ones.

The best model would be some kind of way to just combine everything, but that's not going to happen.

And well,

yeah, that would just combine everything on one bill and one service under one company and

call it cable television.

Yeah.

Although, you know,

one of my problems now is my cable TV sometimes starts modulating.

And I'm like, what the fuck?

So then I have to go to the streaming of the cable.

On the same TV I have the cable box.

I have like the ability to go to various apps.

It's a smart TV and I can go to the app from my cable company and go to the channel I was watching.

I just started wigging out and I go watch it just fine on the stream.

It's a few sometimes it's a few seconds ahead of what's actually happening on the TV live.

You need your box flushed.

How does that work?

How does that work, Diddy?

Tell me about that.

Well,

guy comes to your house with a big jug of baby oil.

And the next thing you know, everything's just loose as a goose.

And then you can watch television.

You won't really notice by the time they get finished whether there's a problem with the picture or not, but it'll probably be better.

You've been following the Diddy stuff?

The Diddy trial?

No, I know.

Hold on here a second.

Now, I haven't been following any Diddy stuff.

No, we're talking streaming.

There apparently, at one point, there were two streams.

Well, the stream of the, they don't, they can't stream the courtroom.

No.

There were streams that you're.

Oh,

see, now there's got to be some goddamn standard here that we can't stoop this low the current witness was his girlfriend until he got arrested and according to her testimony now and it's been really depraved and sad he was doing to her everything if not more than he was doing to cassidy who

already testified about or cassie not cassidy cassie whatever her name is

she already testified about all these freak offs and hotel nights and baby oil and unprotected sex with male prostitutes because she thought she had to like all these things this other woman did all that stuff too and then she reads the cassidy lawsuit she's like

everything she's doing he was doing with her and she didn't know that

she thought she was special she thought she was the one that got picked for all this

i mean i know it sounds crazy but i think he thought she was they thought they were doing this thing for him they thought they were doing this thing for him because they like why did you said that she thought she was special she was the only I'm sure

Vince, you know, convinced a few people when he pooped on their head, you're so you're the only one special enough for me to poop on your head.

What is Vince going to do?

You know, we keep hearing all these rumors, he's got his team in place, they've got all this money, they've got all this money, they've got investors who would want to put up more money, they just don't have any property, they have nothing that

is a commodity right now, they just have an idea.

Whenever he re-emerges, people aren't going to be yelling out, head shitter,

you shit on heads

everywhere he goes.

Well, here's the thing.

If he, in all honesty,

if he stays away from, as they say it in big business, the wrestling space,

he's probably not going to have any fucking issue.

I mean, there's always going to be people on Twitter or,

you know, the, the, the one wise acre.

in every crowd or whatever, but it's only the wrestling fans

that would really,

I mean, some of them may mount an attempt to, oh, now he's into penguin breeding.

Let's flood the penguin breeding fan sites.

But really, when you think about it, the average person out there in

America that's, you know, worried about being kidnapped off the streets by massed assailants or whatever, they're not thinking about Vince's next move like all the wrestling people are.

So

if he stays away from wrestling, he's got a mainstream.

I mean, obviously the mainstream image did not,

did not fare well over the last couple of years, but people have just, that don't care about wrestling, have just heard of Vince McMahon.

He's the big wrestling guy for 40 years.

So if he now is

coming to the chain of,

you know, fucking 3D goddamn peep show theaters near you, it's a, it's just the mainstream audience.

Well, you know what?

You see what I'm saying?

To an extent, because I also think there's always been a taint around Vince McMahon, even before this sexual, you know, scandal.

His brand of entertainment, before the attitude era, wasn't just about like, you know, crass brash TV.

There's always been something.

He's never been able to connect his ideas.

With a mainstream audience.

The only people that give him a chance are the wrestling fans.

Not all of them, obviously.

Well, but now in this case, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the idea is that they're investing in sports and/or entertainment that exist,

he's not really going to write this shit as much as buy it and try to market it.

So, if

I guess what I'm saying is

the fans of something else that he wants to get into, it may not be any good either, but they're not going to be just like, I hate this shit because Vince owns it, like the

wrestling fans would be or want to,

you know,

go on a campaign.

Well, don't forget what Vince did.

Because again, depending on what species or genre

of the thing he gets into, it's a completely different crowd.

They don't know.

They might not care.

And again, I think it's going to be wrestling because I don't think there's anywhere else that Vince McMahon can make an impact.

Where are they going to make an impact?

In documentary film?

If you've got $2 billion, you can make a fucking impact.

You can get in the door.

Hey, listen, he's it wasn't billions, but he's blown millions and millions on shit that anyone could have told him was a bad idea.

And he just thought it'll work and people will come.

So he tells them to, like the WBF and all sorts of things.

Well, at this time, I'm saying he's got this

smart feller.

What's his name?

The guy that left the WWE

with him?

Brad Blum.

There you go.

And

maybe he's saying, okay, Brad, where do we put all this money?

What's your idea?

And Brad sold him a bill of goods about the next big thing is going to be fucking pickleball.

Who knows?

But

I can't

still see how it could possibly be wrestling because I think that may be the one thing that Vince would know right off the bat bat that he

would look inferior at

compared to his old organization,

that it would be

so hard to get talent, get off the ground, et cetera, that he would be forever

like Orson Welles trying to make,

you know, a citizen Kane 2.

It would be ever, you know, compared unfavorably.

I think he might want to do anything else, but his entire team is basically the team of 20 years ago.

So it's everyone then now.

What the hell is he going to do?

I mean, again, you have plenty of money.

Hey, I don't know if you're going to be about the money against the wall, but it doesn't mean that any of it's going to stick.

But some of it might bounce back so you can pitch it again.

Well, I don't know if we have to worry about any of Vince's money bouncing just yet.

We'll see what Janelle finds out.

I'm just saying to you

that, and I'm not saying it's going to be any good either.

I'm just saying that if Vince gets an idea to do something else,

he's going to do it, and he's got all the money he needs to do it.

But I don't think it's, I don't see how it's going to be professional wrestling in any form that we see it or know it today.

That's all I'm saying.

Real American wrestling, or real American, what was it, real freestyle, real American freestyle wrestling.

That rolls up.

And no,

Jesus Christ, just to give an update on that, I guess this is a couple of weeks old, but

apparently one of the people that they mentioned,

who is it now?

I'm trying to think, but one of the people they mentioned is has severe health issues.

Oh.

And another one

was arrested, but the poor guy, the headline was,

so-and-so arrested as part of prostitution ring.

He wasn't part of of the prostitution ring he was arrested for trying to pay for a blow job

so that sounds like the real american you know

but still i mean that's that's that i would sue the the if i were that guy i'd sue the news outlet for slander because he wasn't involved in the goddamn criminal enterprise of the thing he just it was a simple transaction the illegal whether it may be He wasn't involved with the ring.

He was only involved with the head of the ring.

See, they would have a problem if Vince McMahon was involved in that company, because then this guy could argue, I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.

The bosses paid for plenty of blowjobs.

All right.

Your fascination with watching Vince crumble.

No, I'm fascinated with the fascination of it.

I'm fascinated with the realities of it.

And

again, very rarely in life do you see like just some guy with billions of dollars whose creative vision hit a wall, but there was still a machine behind it that was able to drive it?

Not that everything's wonderful right at this very second.

It's hard to sit through all these shows.

There's a lot of show,

but it definitely points out how inadequate that period of time was.

I think I just read an interview with Brett Hart where he said that, you know, you talk to the talent now.

Yeah.

Vince would rip up the script in the middle of the show.

and say, we're doing something different.

Now there's like a tranquility.

And, you know, not in a bad way, not like, you know, everyone's just sitting there lazy, but nobody's walking on it.

No, it's like, oh my God, we're not all shitting ourselves every moment.

Yeah.

And you're not getting put into just embarrassing situations for no reason because it never helps the character development, really.

So, well, and I saw that interview that, and that was basically what Brett said: that, you know,

everybody's a little more at ease and can do their thing without having to worry about a safe falling on their head.

Well, we will stay on top of the Diddy and Vince McMahon news in the future.

Oh, you just like to get Diddy into things.

You're

gone diddy mad.

No, no, Diddy.

No, Diddy.

Oh, and let me.

If I can, let me allow me to

on behalf of you also and all the members of the Cult of Cornet

top of the program before we go any further.

uh send out our best wishes to hotchkiss featherbottom and the young man jason lindsay that plays him on television um

i mentioned last week that uh he had illness in a family his mother had been sick she passed away a few days ago and

it it wasn't unexpected but still obviously they've got a lot to deal with and things going on.

But

he's more important to my operation than sometimes we let on.

But if you've ever been a customer of Cornettes Collectibles, you had any issue with trying to find a lost package or helping do special things, he's the guy that's made it happen because, as usual, I'm always crazy and can't keep track of things.

He's been a big help to not only the customers at the website, but also

this program with his...

ability to upgrade things that were beyond my comprehension and everything we do, but to him and his sisters his wife and kids and the whole rest of the family we want to send our best wishes we're thinking about about you hotchkiss and what a trooper

he had done

remember i said we i handed off everything through may i think 29th he had labeled and shipped everything

in like two days after that was was after that stuff was handed off to him and all that stuff is in the mail.

So

he's going to be off for a while, as I said, while they're dealing with a lot of various things.

But

I think by what, I don't have the calendar in front of me, but by the weekend of,

what is it, the 21st, 22nd, something like that, we're going to be shipping.

So we're still open,

but we're not shipping until then.

A good guy, a very good guy.

We joke a lot about his name.

You say awful things about him, but a really good guy.

I know.

I'm always thinking about him and his family.

You're always the one saying he didn't invent these revolutionary concepts he comes up with.

Well, let's not get into facts right now.

Yeah, real quick.

I don't even know if I should say this on the air or not, but I just got a package from you with a book.

Did you send me this book or did someone send you this book?

Where is this book?

Yo, remember I told you this on the air a few weeks ago?

That our friends Matt and Joanne

sent this book or these books, one for me and one for you.

Thank you, Matt and Joanne.

Coming soon to the Arcadia Vanguard Podcast Network.

Thank you for the gifts.

Send more cash.

Well, like I said the other day, I went to cash and check at my bank and they were out of 20s.

So every time I mentioned my local store is out of something, people sent it to me in the mail.

All right.

Well, that was, I think, where we referenced Soupy Sales.

Someone said, when did you reference Soupy Sales?

I think that was it.

That was it.

A quick update real quick, because it is part of the cult of Cornet family and topics, as you mentioned before we went on the air.

The Crusade for Children update.

This year, the grand total, $5.8 million, that raises them to, in 72 years, 200 and I think 22 or somewhere around there, million dollars.

And again, the

definition of local television, there used to be,

we've talked about every local television talk shows, kids' shows, the creature features, the wrestling shows,

the telethons.

Now, all that's left is the news.

And that's why nobody

has a pleasing television personality anymore because nobody has a place to go to learn how to be a TV personality unless they want to be a meteorologist or a goddamn anchor man.

So, you know, but at least we have this little bastion of local television here.

And

besides the fact that the only good personalities as hosts are the old folks that did this way back when and learned how to do it.

Randy.

Oh, come on now.

Poor Randy Acher.

Leave him alone.

I didn't say anything.

He is.

He has been.

He's been made more famous around the world by our program, thankfully,

in the last five years or so than he was when he was the number one singing cowboy on Louisville television with his sidekick cactus Tom Brooks.

But anyway.

Was there a number two?

There was no, there was no number two.

Randy Atcher was in a class by himself.

But the story is the people, Brian, the people here, the normal people, the people that will never, ever be on TV except Crusade Weekend.

And that's the ones that I love.

And

this year,

my favorite story, and you can turn it on anytime, and there's firefighters crying and things.

I mean, it's just so emotional.

But the 65-year-old guy, little old guy, well,

he's two years older than me.

So I guess I shouldn't say, well, little old guy.

He was smaller than me in a wheelchair,

visibly

had physical issues, didn't have full use of his arms or either one of his hands.

And he's in a motorized wheelchair.

But since 1969,

and they had the fire department on, he was with them that

he works with, but he's gone and collected.

He goes to stores, he goes to fast food places, he goes to churches, he does the roadblocks with the fire department.

This one little old man in a wheelchair in his lifetime has collected $500,000 in cash by himself for the Crusade for Children.

It's just fucking amazing.

And they, again, there he goes again.

Always looking for attention.

Oh, come on now.

Hey, Rick.

Come on.

No.

Oh, God damn it.

If Rick said anything, they'd set him on fire down here.

No, hey, there was one,

there was a police chief, not a police chief, but a fire chief, fire department chief at one of the fire departments 10 or 15 years ago that they found out had misappropriated crusade money, like a hundred something thousand dollars or whatever.

And

he not only after they fired him and charged him and put him in prison for like four fucking years or five years or something, I think he had to move out of fucking town.

How could you not?

But anyway, so the old guy raised a half a million or whatever, but also they're doing wrestling angles.

Who was the number one fire department this year?

Obviously, PRP,

Pleasure Ridge Park,

the big dogs of the yard.

They were the first fire department 70 years ago, and they're always the number one.

This year, they raised $323,000.

But the Fern Creek Fire Department, the Chiefs had gotten in

a set-to on social media or wherever and made a bet.

And on the telethon, because Fern Creek only came up with $208,000,

the chief from PRP got to hit the chief from Fern Creek in the face with a pie.

So, where else do you get to see stuff like this?

And Monroe Township, just one more note I made.

Monroe Township, Indiana is a fire department that serves a community community of 5,000 people.

Guess how much money they raised?

500,000 people?

No, 5,000 people.

Oh, 5,000 people.

$75,000.

$101,000.

Because you know what?

They're up on the interstate up there.

See, the interstate run right through them up there.

They get the people coming and going.

They set up the roadblocks and you can't get away.

Anyway, thank you, everybody, because there was a bunch of people, John Fell,

you charitable bastard, you know you are, and a bunch of people from the Cult of Cornet that did

heed our

call and did donate for the Crusade for Children, and we appreciate it.

So that's why I wanted to let you know.

And here is how fucking great this thing is locally.

Guess what?

The electric company kicked in, Louisville Gas and Electric, a goddamn utility that normally takes our money 373 000 that is your money what money you think there's no

no here's the here's the thing

every year the employees contribute as they go and they raise money and whatever the employees come up with the company matches the whole thing.

So they basically double it.

They match it out of company funds or out of the executives paying for it?

Out of, well, out of

it's Louisville Gas and Electric, but it's not a goddamn, you know, charity organization.

It's a, it's a corporation.

Yes.

So they, uh, they, but I miss, you know what?

Here's another thing that's wrong with the world, Brian, today.

Nobody has any fucking cash.

Have you noticed?

Think about this.

I mean, I'm scared to leave the house without a sufficient amount of cash for the distance or I might be going or time I might be away.

But most people don't have cash anymore.

They stick their card in everything, even for fucking stamps or chewing gum at the convenience store or whatever.

And what I miss was they,

when I was a kid, teenager, even up to 20, 30 years ago, 20 years ago.

These fucking fire departments would come down Broadway.

They'd have all the goddamn money they'd collected at these roadblocks and all year and the lemonade stands and the bake sales and the golf tournaments, or whatever.

And they would dump it in these giant glass fish tanks.

And you'd hear the coins, and you'd say, and everything was 20 or smaller.

But that TV station would have like $2 million

easily in cash going through it over the course of the weekend.

And it made for great television.

You see them dumping all this fucking money and people are jumping up and down.

Now it's like, My change jar

has more money in it currently down in the TV room

because i haven't wrapped it and taken it to the bank in three or four years than they were collecting these boots because now they've got a thing you can take a picture of the code with your phone and give on

vimo or whatever

it's not as visual venmo

with them too it's not about it being visual it's about the easiest way to collect the money and most of the people nowadays well yeah but it fires you it fires you up as a kid i was always yeah yeah listen more more, when they were dumping these giant fucking buckets of goddamn cash money into these fucking giant fish tanks.

And everybody's running around and they're sweating because there's no air conditioning because we're in black and white, because it's back in the goddamn pioneer days.

And it was air conditioning.

Well,

not in my story.

But if back you could see all that fucking money and it was goddamn, it was great television.

Just the fucking money everywhere.

You just wanted to take your clothes off and just go swimming in it.

That's another thing.

I always wanted to, when I was a kid, I always wanted to have a money bin like Scrooge McDuck where I could just jump through.

But then I started saving my spare change up in a goddamn empty Kleenex box that my mom had.

And then one day, when I was about half full, I piled it all out on the floor.

I was about six.

And I jumped into that, trying to slide down it a little bit.

It was goddamn hard.

How the fuck did Scrooge McDuck jump onto literally eight or 10 cubic tons of fucking gold and copper and silver and nickel and not fucking hurt himself?

Jump onto it.

He was like literally swimming in it and he would pop up.

Yeah, well, you'd have to have some strong shoulders and arms and that also, but just jumping off the diving board.

When you hit that right there, that'd be

someone should try that.

Send it in

take all your money and try to jump through it yeah and and if i had a dollar i'd ask my mom for change if i had a dollar bill i wouldn't because it would took up more room right so it's a bigger pile where were you getting a dollar did she always have change

well if i ended up having a

dollar bill for some reason when i was a kid six seven years old That wasn't a lot to ask of a small child to have a dollar.

And whenever you had one, you asked for change?

I wanted change because that way I could add to my change pile.

So you get upset if you got quarters?

Well,

it could, you know, they're shiny.

It could be anything shiny.

But now remember Mama Cornett's the one who came up with the idea to go to the bank and get rolls of dimes and quarters.

And this was in 1969, 1970, whatever.

And we would take them home and they'd take them apart and take all the silver ones in 1964 and before the quarters and the dimes out and put regular new ones back in and take them to the bank, get another fucking.

And we ended up,

boy howdy, when silver hit $40 an ounce back in, what was it, 1979 or 8 or sometime around there when everybody was going crazy about goddamn gas prices,

whoo, we cleaned up.

Any thoughts, any sympathy about the penny going away?

Well,

to be honest, at this point,

I think, you know, because like I said, nobody carries cash.

And

generally, I've noticed that over the past few years,

if you see the

need a penny, take a penny, take a penny, leave a penny, whatever the fucking penny thing is called, chances are I'm taking a fucking penny out of it rather than leaving one.

So I think we can round off to the, because now they cost like almost three cents a piece to make.

So that does seem somewhat

inefficient.

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I guess in order, the first thing would be the WWE AAA

spectacular Worlds Collide, which aired live on YouTube, available for streaming thereafter, apparently broke all sorts of numbers for WWE on YouTube.

How much of this show were you able to see?

Oh, I was able to see all of it.

I just wasn't willing to see all of it.

I have never been

bashful about saying it's not my cup of tea, but at the same time,

the relationship between American wrestling and Lucha Libre has been complicated going back to the territory days and back to the origins of the business in both countries.

I think now they may try again, and there may be better success with finding a crossover audience.

Previously,

there has not really been a crossover audience

of any sizable amount where you could say, well, the WWE is going to make their fans fans of authentic lucha.

Or

to be quite honest, the really the dedicated fans of authentic lucha, it's going to be hard to make them WWE fans.

The crossover has been tried.

We tried it in Ring of Honor in 2010 in that show in Charlotte.

And Adam Pierce knew,

oh, goddamn.

whoever it was that was booking

a bunch of the lucha talent at the time.

And remember, we had

Blue Demon and

legitimate names because Gary Jester in Charlotte knew

a guy who owned like four or five Hispanic Spanish language radio stations.

which was new to me because when I lived there in the 80s, I didn't know they had any.

And I don't think they did, but now did.

And so, we're like, okay, if we can get

a thousand Ring of Honor fans and a thousand lucha fans, well, that would be just swell.

And this guy at the owned the radio station gave us the store,

and we had all of the talent come in a day early and do promos on the radio stations in Spanish.

And we had dual language posters and blah, blah, blah.

And the day of the

event came,

and instead of a thousand Ring of Honor fans and a thousand Lucha fans, we got 994

Ring of Honor fans and six Lucha fans.

They didn't fucking come at all.

But at the same time,

there were some Lucha shows in the area that were all lucha

that had done several hundred people on an intermittent basis,

but they were all lucha fans.

There's been a, especially during the territory days, and now there were guys that crossed over, the Guerrero family, and Moscaris was huge in New York and in the, you know, Texas, California.

But a lot of those guys

not only were somewhat versed in working with Americans,

but the Lucha style then was not as, in Mexico, wasn't as over the top as it is now,

or as it has become over the last, like America over the last 20 years.

But

you couldn't,

the straight lucha, which is ingrained in Mexico, and it's what they know and what they're used to, and you don't want to change that.

But especially in the territories to American fans,

there was a large element of what the fuck is this?

Whether it was from the

overly

acrobatic, gymnastic,

potentially choreographed style to the over-the-top outfits and the, you know, and the masks and the what the fuck is going on.

And it's sort of, it was an international version of, we've talked about so many times,

Philadelphia wrestling didn't work in Tennessee, Tennessee wrestling didn't work in Philadelphia.

But now

that

I guess, Brian, what I'm trying to say is

the American fan is not saying now,

first and foremost, when he sees Lucha, well, that's just some phony bullshit because it's all phony bullshit.

The need to have anything look credible has never been lower.

And the fans that want to go to wrestling and just to see a performance, whether it,

because I mean, let's face it, and what we're going to talk about

specifically here in a second with Mr.

Iguana,

it looked like a Saturday night live sketch.

Whereas 50 years ago, the fans would have set seats on fire if you'd have put that in

Atlanta to city auditorium.

Now they know it's all fun and it's all bullshit and they're there to see the show.

Now it remains to be seen whether it will draw any serious money or not still.

But the fans I think of today

in America will probably be

some of them, some of them are still going to say, what the fuck is this?

Because there's a lot of element of what the fuck is this.

But they're more predisposed now in America to just watch.

a bullshit match because it's fun, aren't they?

Well, Lucha's style has been incorporated in just about everything over the past 25 years.

Again, this was in LA and that's the, you know, LA and then maybe Chicago and then New York are probably the biggest markets you could, maybe, you know, I don't know.

Has there been a big successful Lucha show in South Florida?

I'm not sure, but well, LA is

San Antonio.

You could do something.

See, South Florida is,

I've been told by people who would know more about it than me, i.e.

people of Hispanic descent, that in South Florida, they don't like the Mexican folks as much as they like the Cuban folks and the Puerto Rican folks.

So it's a different.

Again,

we're talking about wrestling, though.

Well, that's what I'm saying.

It's not like it's something that they grew up with and crossed the border into Laredo, Texas.

It's no, we're over here in Miami and we don't do a lot of lucha over here.

But the style has been everywhere.

Unfortunately, you know, when you look at the lucha influence over American wrestling, in a lot of cases, it feels like it's more of Antonio Peña's vision of lucha than, you know, CML or EMLL, whatever they want to call themselves nowadays.

You know, that was one of the big takeaways from watching this event.

You're at a point now where you watch these guys, like a psycho clown and whoever his clown partner was, because I never got his name really.

It was just, there was a second clown character.

It doesn't seem like it wouldn't fit into American wrestling now.

And it wouldn't.

Sadly, yeah.

It wouldn't not fit in, or it would fit in perfectly.

Yeah, not a double negative.

Yes.

And not just AEW.

I think that's the other thing.

Mr.

Iguana, and I don't want to, we'll get into it in a moment, but Mr.

Iguana

was the equivalent of Orange Cassidy showing up on WWE TV.

And, you know, we would kill, and we did AEW for Orange Cassidy.

This was WWE having Orange Cassidy.

And WWE is not beyond that anymore.

WWE is about exploiting anything that will make them money and work, even if it's only for a second.

And even if they have to sell stuffed iguanas.

But that's the point in general that I'm making about

the Lucha-American crossover has been tried by numerous companies.

And people are going to say, oh, well, what about When Worlds Collide, AAA in 19, that was a AAA show in Los Angeles.

It wasn't like, and there were Americans on it because the Americans were working in Mexico for AAA at that time.

Yeah, well, Ron Schooler was really the

real mastermind of the reason why a lot of people were on that show that wouldn't typically appear on a show.

Like Tito Santana was on that show.

There were some interesting picks.

Tukhold Scorpio was on that show.

But that was a AAA IWC Lucha show presented for a lucha audience, aired to anyone who wanted to buy it.

It ended up being one of the best pay-per-views of all time, one of the greatest jobs of commentary ever.

Mike Tonay is Mike Tonay's debut and Chris Cruz, Chris Cruz's best night as a commentator ever.

It was an extraordinary night.

And, you know, that was kind of the beginning.

You know, you could say, sure, some of these guys were doing things in the States and sure, some of them went to ECW after that.

But that was the beginning of the period of time of, I mean, if you look at almost everyone on that show, they ended up on Nitro at some point.

Art Barr died.

If Art Barr hadn't died, he would have been on Nitro or Raw.

Well,

let's be fair,

everybody ended up on one or the other at some point in time when they had 300 and something guys under contract between the two companies.

But the point is, it wasn't,

it was a crossover in terms of WCW presented that pay-per-view.

Ron Scholler was the mastermind behind the live event promotion, but it was a lucha show promoted for a lucha audience.

And they had some successes doing that in the major cities where there was an audience for lucha.

LA?

Again, LA was the market.

I mean, they did okay in Chicago.

They did okay in New York, I guess, but LA.

Well, and right now, MLW is doing great in Chicago

because they're focusing on the Lucha doors and that Lucha audience.

But the point I'm making is it's very, it's rare, if not

unheard of, for a legitimate

co-promotion of an American company and a

lucha company, or back in the Territory days, for any straight lucha to be on a territory show and for it to get over.

It's been two different audiences.

This may be,

if it's not, it's the best chance ever.

If it's not the chance it's going to do it, it's the best chance ever because

the need for a match to not look like a goddamn Saturday night live sketch.

is at its lowest ever in the United States of America.

Yes.

These people just want to see hokey, fucking silly shit.

They want to be there for a live audience reaction to whatever they're going to see.

You know, you bring up MLW and it's interesting because I have not watched those shows.

I've heard about them.

I've heard from people who worked on those shows.

And I think it's the opposite of what you had with Ring of Honor.

I mean, tell me what you've heard.

In Chicago, they're getting the Lucha fans, not the MLW fans.

They're getting the CMLL fans.

Yeah, no, there was, there was like, I don't, I can't remember how many the building holds, but if there was 1,500 people there because it was full, it was like 200 white people there.

And the Lucha door, the Lucha brothers, old Penthouse and Felix.

That's right.

They were fucking diving everywhere and falling on people's heads back then.

But, you know, they were the stars.

And then,

well, Jacob Fatu, I mean, he appeals to Martians, to anybody.

And MJF was on the show, and he can get over even, you know, in a fucking iceberg, too.

But they were coming.

That's who was buying the tickets, who was selling the tickets was the Luchadors.

Point being,

we shall see

the problem becomes that there is still

a large group of American fans that are going to look at a

Lucha man, especially now, because I'm again, I'm not being

xenophobic when I say this because our country suffers the same thing.

Wrestling matches as a whole look a lot phonier, sillier, and faker than they do 30 years ago.

And so do the matches in Mexico.

But since there's still the cultural difference, you're going to get a lot of American fans that look and go, what the fuck?

If they are not wanting just a silly show for the kids and to laugh at things, the ironic audience, like the AEW folks that call it,

then they're still going to look at a match like

Mr.

Iguana and friends as, oh, fucking come on.

And it's never been faker, yet the injuries have never been worse.

Well, yeah, well, that's the thing.

Yeah, all the matches are fake, but everybody's having goddamn spinal fusions.

But

oh, Christ, you said it earlier.

It's like a lucha version of Orange Cassidy popped up in the WWE.

Vince McMahon, that's the one good thing that I can say about Vince McMahon in the course of this podcast is he would have had a goddamn conniption fit and probably hit the ring and fucking thrown that guy out.

Because it wasn't even, I mean, the guy behind the gobbledygooker, but he didn't want you to make

the business look like a complete Benny Hill fucking sketch.

You opened that door.

Why don't we just talk about the opening match?

And of course, there were multiple competitors, but the one who immediately stood out to people who naturally have never seen him before, the majority of the audience, was AAA star Mr.

Iguana.

And at this point,

the majority of the audience appeared to write to us and say, I can't wait to hear what Jim says about this.

Well,

he looked like a green gold dust.

If you can visualize this, folks, for those of you who were lucky enough not to have seen this,

he's completely either in a green bodysuit or green makeup on the hands and the face and the bald head and the weird.

And he keeps

flicking his tongue in and out like he's catching fucking fireflies.

And his,

I don't know, what would you call that, Brian?

Was it a manager, a friend, a companion, a pet?

What is the little mine?

I don't know.

It was a stuffed,

I presume, a stuffed iguana,

stuffed animal.

Well, not like a real iguana that's been taxidermied, but like a children's play toy.

I guess children's plush iguanas are a big seller down there.

And,

you know, here's the thing.

If this was

the variety show guy on america's got talent or the ed sullivan show could be in the 50s could be last year that does the funny bits while they play the music i mean he's talented

he's talented

but this is it's not even

i don't know i still think orange cassidy is worse because

He's from this country and he's just not even really entertaining in this fashion this

guy like you said about harley cameron as long as she wasn't in wrestling she ought to be a ventriloquist on a tv show somewhere or whatever

it's just it's so ridiculous have it it

i can't work up the disdain or the

indignance that most people want me to because it's just almost like I've

I've thrown the last bucket of water that I can on the burning house.

I have fucking

made the last fucking call for the fire department.

We're just standing around watching the fucking

smoke rise up now on the

it's so insulting because he's the if he was just doing the gimmick

like a green gold dust and

doing

his thing, but when the other people work with him in catching and positioning

and doing the bits with the fucking stuffed animal.

Yes, I like it that he can put his toe under it and kick it up in the air and it'll land on his shoulder.

Well, that's neat.

Fuck.

I wonder if he can spin plates and keep them.

Yeah, but it's not fucking wrestling.

And everyone's going to think Cornette hates fun.

You know, maybe, okay, if this was the goddamn fun thing,

then it would be so different and so unusual that you could look past it because ah, but it's just the latest in a long line of fucking dog and pony shows and goddamn circus sideshow geeks.

It

so that's what he does: he crawls around on the ground like a lizard, flicks his tongue in and out,

has bursts of

motion where he can actually move around and seems athletic, and then

does spots with his stuffed iguana.

The commentators are really putting him over.

Oh, yeah, they're going to sell stuffed iguanas.

But I.

I don't know.

He's better made for the AEW audience

Because I can maybe see after a time or two, some of the

less forgiving WWE television crowds, if they chose to do that on Raw or SmackDown, going, what the fuck?

But it's the.

But if he pops up every now and then, their audience will go crazy.

If they overdo it, it'll be another thing.

But if all of a sudden they're in LA again and CM Punk needs a surprise partner.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

And out from the back back crawls the iguana man.

What?

Stop it.

Stop it.

Certainly to God, Punk has creative control over lizards in his contract.

There was something so cheap about it that it was intriguing.

It was almost like someone went to AI and said, give me an insect-eating luchador.

And this guy popped up.

Is there a magnet?

Is it a magnet that makes it stick to his shoulder?

What do you think it is?

Well, no, I mean,

he's catching it.

He's got this thing down the way that he's, you know, flipping that thing back and forth.

He's like a Harlem Globetrotter with a basketball, except he's got a fucking stuffed iguana.

He's worked on this.

He's got it down.

He's doing it well.

He nailed all his shit.

It wasn't like one of the AEW fucking indie crowd goofballs that don't even have their shit together.

They just try a bunch of shit and hit half of it.

He's good at what he's doing.

I just can't stand the goddamn idea he's doing it in a fucking wrestling ring.

And this was the start of the show after, we'll talk about it afterwards, the opening ceremony, if you saw any of that.

That was a spectacle.

Well, didn't I hear one of the

lady that sang the Mexican national anthem messed up the words?

Oh, I don't know.

I actually.

I believe somebody said that.

It went for a while and the image of Shawn Michaels next to the.

The sister of Antonio Pena was quite.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

She looks like a cross between a Bond villain and a Stepford wife.

And he looked like a

cross-eyed kid.

The Bond villain.

The famous old West gunslinger, the cross-eyed kid.

The cross-eyed kid.

I'm going to shoot you and you right between the eyes.

But back to Mr.

Iguana.

Yes.

Immediately, there was a Topps card because Topps has a WWE deal.

There was a Tops Mr.

Iguana card.

for the pay-per-view event.

They had a vignette video for him on Raw showing highlights from the pay-per-view.

Oh, yeah.

That's not what you do if you're embarrassed by something or if you don't plan to do more with it.

Do you think?

I mean, we joke about him.

No,

I don't think they knew

how much reaction it was going to get.

I think they obviously knew what they were getting because they put it on the show and they probably thought, well, let's see if he gets over.

I don't know if they expected the level of that, but they've been certainly ready to capitalize on it.

Well, we will stay on top of the iguana news and see what we can do.

But it's just, it's, it's, at this point, what, how can I get mad anymore?

The cause is lost.

Would you be madder if it was AEW?

Because at least with WWE, there's a chance you may see little kids dressed up as iguanas buying the iguana merch.

And AEW would be for adults.

You got a point there.

And also the fact is, if you're going to.

If you're going to shit in somebody's fucking face, make it a good one.

Do it well.

Place it properly.

I'm saying, do a professional job of it.

Instead of going out and just doing a bunch of shit that just falls on its ass,

at least go out and do a professional job.

So that's what they're doing here with Mr.

Iguana.

I don't know what else to say.

Any other thoughts on the match?

No, because all I did was just,

I watched it on YouTube.

I'll be honest with you.

Everyone did it.

And I skipped through to the parts where the green guy was in the ring so I could see what he was doing.

Because again

it's

this is now what wwe i think they're another one of their strategies is they say okay our only remote competition anywhere near us

does wrestling just for people that want to watch guys do a bunch of moves

so

Now we've got a, you know, major ownership in a company just like that.

Let's just get these guys over.

And maybe we'll get the Hispanic market too.

And they don't particularly care about upholding any

wrestling traditions.

They just want to sell everything they can get their hands on, including as Christine Jarrett would say, the glasses off your own face.

Anything that gets any kind of social media buzz, anything that gets any kind of buzz that will sell anything.

they're going to jump on.

That's TKO and that's WWE.

And that was the opening match.

As a matter of fact, what is the price of iguana meat per pound these days?

Well, I don't know.

Do you think they're going to get into the iguana farming business too?

Where is that usually done?

Where is that conducted?

Well, apparently, now it's going to be up in Stanford.

Before, I guess, well, Mr.

Iguana, where is he from?

Well, they introduced a mini iguana, like Doinkhead Dink.

Well, no, I think wherever the home base of iguanas is, ought to be where

iguana's hometown is, right?

From the uh, you know, uh,

what was his hometown did they say it i i don't remember i didn't think of it now but from the iguana farm in you know in acapulco here's mr iguana

that was the opening match did you watch any of the women's match

did they have a women's match on there they did with stephanie vaccera who is incredibly talented i have to say she's really good but well she was on the other show too i didn't expect you to watch it and i'm not surprised you didn't uh there was a match with psycho clown did you see that?

No.

No,

because I watched the main event with Chad Gable versus Vikingo.

He Odo Vikingo.

I'm sorry, the son of Vikingo.

And

because only, again,

I'm sorry if everybody's mad at me.

Oh, you didn't sit down and watch this whole three-hour show they did before the three-hour show they did.

But one has to have a fucking life.

And I knew what I was going to be seeing with this one, except I will say this.

Chad Gable needs a raise.

Chad Gable needs a raise.

Chad Gable needs another metal.

Chad Gable needs to

have somebody come and massage him and feed him grapes every night.

This guy can do everything.

He has picked up.

He's a better Luchador than the Luchadors.

Ellie, his shit, you got to actually buy.

It's not just fucking

hokey, you know, choreographed routine with him.

I would love to see them do something with this guy, even if he had to have a partner that's bigger, that could be his enforcer or whatever.

Drop the comedy, drop the fucking stupid mask.

Don't put him in the ring with green horns from Acapulco and feature this fucking guy.

He's one of the most incredible performers they've got.

And

if you concentrated on it and produced it well, he has a personality

that you could use against main event talent.

Not only his facials, but his promos and et etc.

And

what is your personal fucking viewpoint of Viking O, oh, great one?

Well, you know, I appreciate anyone who has taken on the stylings of bow, wow, wow.

Got haircut.

No, I think he's he's small,

but he's talented.

And I saw this in the past when he wrestled Kenny Omega in AEW.

Suzanne actually stopped and started watching.

He, because of what he was doing, caught her attention.

Now, it seemed like some of the things today, though, today, at this event, took a little bit of time to set up and balance himself.

Sometimes they seem maybe unnecessary.

But again, you're going for pops.

You're going for big spots to get big pops.

I don't mind him.

He seems very happy, very nice guy.

He seems like the kind of guy you want to root for.

I mean, if he only had a real name instead of that's Vikingo,

he doesn't seem anything like a Viking.

I'll say that they just have Viking warriors there.

I thought those Vikings rode those big horses and had the fucking armor and all the swords and shit.

Here's the problem.

Yeah, he's very athletically talented.

And it takes a while to set some of that shit up, which is again why there's a fucking gap between American wrestling and lucha with the American fans going, just fucking move.

But

also, here's the problem i'm not even talking about

as a as a

a talent that can connect with people

i see the difference in gable's small too but that's not the problem he's in great shape and he's an olympic athlete so right nevertheless

fucking viking oh's face or his lack of face and his

He's like a male

lyric Valkyria or or whatever

it just

she looks like she ought to be a clerk at a pet shop

the look on the face he's not connecting with people she doesn't it's just i'm doing these spots i'm doing this performance i'm in this routine

and every once in a while he'll smile as you said but

I don't, you know, he's not going to, if it's for a Spanish-speaking audience, he's going to be able to talk to them.

If it ain't, he's not.

And I just see a guy with a bland fucking face.

I don't see a personality.

I don't see a.

And also, like you said, the name, if he had somebody's actual name, that would help him in America, but it would hurt him in Mexico.

Because the Luchadors, most of them don't have a goddamn name.

Well, I mean, all of them have, you know what I'm saying.

You don't have Fred Smith is not their name.

So

it depends on

what the audience is,

what audience they're broadcasting for, what they're aiming for.

But there's going to be some

clash amongst some of these audiences on some of these televised events,

much like I mentioned.

In AEW, when they're doing the Grand Slam Mexico thing, they got MJF and Mystico.

And depend on,

if I was to have that match, I want to see that.

I'd have two completely different matches

for Mexico and for the United States.

But if it's on their big show,

they're just going to have one fucking match and everybody's going to see it.

So there's going to be some issues with all of this stuff.

But I love Chad Gable.

I love Chad Gable.

Was that that was your match review?

That's it?

Oh, but then.

Well, and again, Gable got beat again.

What'd you think of the apron spot?

What'd you think of the apron spot?

I zoned out on a lot of this, to be honest with you.

Canadian destroyer on the apron.

Oh, that's

off the top of the.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's kind of stupid, too.

I mean, what are you going to say?

Well, that was it.

Yeah.

You've got, well, no, it's you've got a fucking guy that could be a real asset in Gable, could be a real asset to your television program, either Raw or SmackDown, where your primary audience is the United States.

But yet, this fucking guy that again, to the audience in Mexico, they love him.

And if the match was just being seen in Mexico, I'd have him beat Gable and hang him up and fucking wear him out like a piñata.

But it's being seen everywhere.

And now you've got a personality on your show who's been beat by this little fucking

mope-faced Mexican fellow to the American fans.

It just, it's, it's a world's collide, all right.

And Gable

has picked this style of work up better than

I can't believe how good, but at the same time,

it just showed that every possible goddamn thing that he could do couldn't beat this fucking guy, and the guy beat him.

And again, it was a room that was really into it.

So, if you're watching it, you're watching someone you presume is a big star there because of the reactions beat Chad Gable.

You know, as good as Chad Gable is, it's not like Vikingo beat Seth Rollins, you know, it's not like heat.

Well, no,

so but it's also Vikingo, but he's the mega champion.

That was the belt Omega had.

Did he beat Kenny Omega for that belt, or how did that happen?

I, I, boy, now that that tickles me.

Yeah, that's the point.

The point is that the average american fan who is not of the oh i want to watch a bunch of guys do the goddamn trapeze variety would look at vikingo and say he's their champion

the people who are attuned to the

whether it be the hulk hogan or ric flair era or the Steve Austin and the Rock era or the Triple H era, the John Cena era, or the era today of at least his goddamn Brock Lesnar, Seth Rollins, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns.

And they look at Vikingo and go, he's the guy?

Then who's the flunkies?

Mr.

Iguana.

Should Mr.

Iguana be the guy?

Mr.

Iguana should be the guy.

Would you have a problem with Mr.

Iguana going over Chad Gable on this card?

Oh, God damn it.

If that had been the first time you saw him, not in the opening batch, but crawling to the rig for Chad Gable.

For Chad Gable?

I would have said, why don't we just pissed his mouth while he's down there?

Poor Poor Gable.

Fuck.

It's just, it's a hopeless cause.

One last question about all this.

Does the WWE AAA relationship producing this event, which got a lot of attention, does that help AEW at all going into their CML?

What do they do?

They do not Worlds Collide.

It is

World's End.

No, not World's End.

Grand Slam.

Grand Slam.

No, they have a World's End.

They have a World's End.

That's their end of the year show.

Well, yes, but not in Mexico.

No.

I don't think anything that the WWE is doing right now is helping AEW.

I don't think anything AEW is doing right now is helping AEW.

They're going to take over the world

and they're going to hold every major city hostage for rights fees and they're going to be selling iguanas to your children.

And they're going to drop that city if another city pops up with a bigger rights fee.

Exactly.

Well, that was AEW, AEW.

That was AAA AAA

and WWE Worlds Collide.

And Jim, perhaps it is.

Hey, hey, and let me ask you this.

If the WWF lost a lawsuit to the World Wildlife Fund,

then

what's the Automobile Club, the American Automobile Club, doing about goddamn AAA?

Well, let's see how much further into America they go.

Actually, that's a good question.

I wonder if there are any trademark issues that are country restrictive, but we will find out in the future.

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It's time to move on.

It's time that we move on here and we talk a little bit about more WWE.

The money in the bank pay-per-view.

There were only five matches, four announced beforehand, one made at the AAA when Worlds Collide, not when, just Worlds Collide.

Yes.

Not pay-per-view.

That was my second favorite match, by the way.

You didn't say anything about it.

Well, I haven't yet because we haven't talked about it.

Oh, you mean it's your second favorite match on this Money in the Bank?

Well, we're here to talk about Money in the Bank.

Money in the.

But we're here to talk about Money in the Bank.

And let's talk about Money in the Bank.

And let's talk about...

You know, God damn it if i had more money in the bank i wouldn't have watched this son of a bitch

what was it dusty said one time to the guys in developmental he's a vince better be glad i saved my money

um

they were in los angeles

at the intuit dome

Does that mean if you go in the intuit dome, does that mean you get more intuition, Brian?

No, unfortunately not, apparently.

It

they the Money in the Bank pay-per-viewed, of course, they opened with the women's Money in the Bank contest because

I don't know different ways.

I should learn a foreign language so I could say the same thing differently every time, whether it's hell in a cell.

Whether it's Royal Rumble, whether it's Money in the Bank, whether it's whatever.

They have to have the women's before they have the men's.

And it just fucking takes the piss out of it on both of them for me.

I don't know why this is a

difficult concept to understand.

When you do something twice, the exact same thing, just with different people

on the same show,

Jesus Christ.

And then

what have we been talking about for the past three weeks now on most of the shows?

One of these days, one of these people is going to really fuck themselves up bad or somebody else.

And so they put six girls out there to

attempt to work with ladders that are twice as big and twice as heavy as they are.

And everybody's got to do a stunt or what'd your kids call them used to the tricks.

Everybody's got to do their tricks.

And then by the time that

the women's ladder match is over with, you've seen all their tricks, then the guys have to come out

and do more tricks with the fucking ladder and attempt to paralyze themselves.

And there's no,

I guess these people now, I'm talking about the current talent and or the current producers, they think this is a wrestling match with the ladders and the

baby faces versus baby faces and heels versus heels.

And let's just put everybody of every sex in there and

see what we can fuck up.

But how do you critique this, Brian?

As a man, it doesn't have any, it's people doing moves and tricks with ladders.

There's no continuity.

Nobody gets over.

It's just a mess until it's over with.

Oh, I enjoyed it.

I really liked it a lot.

And again, there's a story.

They're trying to get the briefcase.

And everyone has their little thing when they're trying to get up there and get the briefcase.

And you get some crazy spots.

I like this match better than the men's match, which goes to part of what you were complaining about, having them both on the same show.

But I actually really enjoyed this.

Well, in this case, because

the men's match was so weak for its own reasons, but I'll tell you this.

And it hit me.

The last couple of weeks, it's hit me.

And then this and then Raw.

For the first time, maybe ever, I'm enjoying and and more into the women's stuff than the men's stuff in WWE.

And

I really like this match.

And it had some good workers in there for the women's demand.

Rhea Ripley's in there, right?

That

I'm saying it.

Hey, I didn't like the men's either.

Six people with the fucking ladders and the fucking multiple ladders and the goddamn blah, blah, blah.

What do you think of Naomi being the person who won?

Well, as you will recall, I said, and here's the thing.

You can tell, as soon as the entrance started, or the entrances, I should say, started,

they liked everybody.

But when Rhea came out, she brought the house down.

The whole mood changed.

She's a star on the level of the top guys, not just the top girls.

But as we mentioned,

in a perfect world, she'd win, but.

I said, they're doing the thing with Naomi right now.

I mean, let's face it,

I don't think Julia wasn't going to win.

Stephanie Vacker, even if she's good, she wasn't going to win.

Roxanne Perez wasn't going to win.

And Alexa Bliss would have been a long shot.

So it came down to,

and I don't think Rhea needs it at this point.

She's fucking over.

And

as long as they don't do anything really stupid, she's going to be over.

But

the best thing I can say about this was I was afraid it was going to go 45 minutes and it only went 25, bell to bell.

That is, but they were 18 minutes into the show, but with the entrances and everything before the match started.

But

I just can't.

I just can't.

Have you seen any of the complaints online?

Because I just started seeing this really a little more than we've seen it every now and then, but more than usual, like frequently lately.

Fans complaining there's only one family that seems to win everything in WWE right now.

Again,

whether that's fair or not,

you know, it's an interesting thing.

Now fans are jumping on that.

Naomi, I think, has been pretty good as a heel

beyond the work.

Well, I was going to say, if they're going to talk about the refrigerator, Nia Jax, or they're going to talk about

what's her name being the general manager of NXT.

Ava.

Ava.

Ava.

I was going to say Jaja.

Then they got a point, but they can't really, because again, Naomi was the only other one who was going to win this besides Rhea.

So they can't really make a point like that here.

And give them a little bit of credit.

I was so afraid since the beginning of this year, when they started teasing the Wyatt Six coming back, and then they came back, and then they started teasing or Alexa Bliss reappeared.

It hasn't been as spooky as it would have been during Vince.

Like, it really, I'm not a fan of Alexa Bliss.

She was probably the one person in the match I'm not a fan of.

But it's not like we get the over-the-top,

I don't know what you call it, horror film, suspense film,

puppetry, whatever it is, kind of stuff that I was afraid of at the beginning of this year when the Wyatt 6 reappeared.

It kind of hasn't happened at all.

And

be thankful for small favors.

But that's, you know, that's kind of the thing is, I think, as a theme to this pay-per-view,

they, the men's money-in-the-bank match was kind of the same as that you knew only one of a couple of people were going to win the thing.

And,

you know, otherwise they just put people in there because they have to.

And I'm sorry if everybody's mad because I don't like all I'm sick of the furniture.

I'm sick of the tables and the ladders and the chairs and the ridiculousness and the multiple person matches, which is the ultimate lazy booking.

At one point,

if you would have had a multiple person match, it would have been because

the situation demanded it, the angle demanded it.

People were involved and they all were upset at each other.

Not,

oh, we're going to have a bunch of three ways, and the winner of the three ways gets to go into a six-way

over and over and over.

And it's all the same, and I'm so fucking tired of it.

So that was the women's money in the bank ladder match to me.

I'll tell you, I actually enjoyed that match.

Like I said, I really enjoyed it.

I enjoyed just about everything on this show with the exception of the main event tag match.

The men's money in the bank wasn't as good as this one.

And it wasn't a surprise who won.

But still, I think everything except for that tag match at the end, for me, everything else kind of worked.

Well, the tag match

without a rotten finish

to the level of that would have worked also.

But yeah, again, it's a five-match show.

It's a little over three hours and 15 minutes or whatever.

So you

18 minutes into the show, the bell rings for the first match.

It goes 25 minutes of them doing tricks with the ladders.

And then we get a nice 15-minute break where they can sell us a bunch of stuff and show the luchadors at Ringside, including Mr.

Iguana.

And then they showed the angle from Worlds Collide with Dominic Schott with Octagon Jr.

to

add the Intercontinental title match.

And

I got to be honest with you.

You know, this may have been my favorite match

because there was something else wrong with everything else.

Is he the most improved wrestler ever?

Dominic Mysterio?

Well,

I don't know if he's the most improved wrestler or he's the most improved

personality.

There's still better wrestlers, but nobody's.

No, of course.

But I mean,

he was.

Well, that's why I'm saying nobody's gone from being.

God, I hate that fucking goofy kid of Rey Mysterio's to, oh, wow, this guy's a fucking star.

But that's the thing is they shot an angle for the match between Dominic and Octagon Jr.

Dominic can work both ways.

He can work American style and he can work Lucha style.

And Octagon Jr.,

he wasn't bad.

They started at 100 miles an hour,

but Dominic cut him off a little bit, did some good old-fashioned heel work.

Octagon, again, very athletic, made a comeback.

Liv Morgan distracted.

Dominic hit the 619, a splash off the top rope.

And

1-2-3, a good preliminary match, a good win for Dominic Mysterio.

It shows one of the Luchadors in a positive light.

There's two guys in the ring having a wrestling match.

They didn't use furniture.

I don't know what it is.

It's my favorite match because it was the only actual fucking match

that didn't go into ridiculous amounts of bullshit

in,

you know, their various finishes.

I mean,

everybody's going to say, wait, just a preliminary and they didn't do any fucking furniture.

Yeah, that's why I liked it on the wrestling show.

Anyway, tear it up now.

Tear it apart.

I liked it.

I enjoyed,

again, I enjoyed this.

I think everything with Dominic and Liv Morgan is a home run usually.

Even if the match isn't perfect, it's the most world-class element of anything.

Just chaotic characters moving around ringside.

And it just feels really

like one of the few things that works in WWE for me right now.

And they got the, what's her name, Roxanne Perez angle now with her and Liv.

And Raquel Raquel just returned.

Rochelle Rochelle.

Well, they got rid of Carlito.

but no i think dominic wisterio is one of the highlights of wwe he has been all year you could argue he's been for years but specifically this year remember the fans completely embraced him at what wrestlemania

he's been one of the highlights and live morgan

you know again watch her on raw watch her here everything she does is great she's one of the best women wrestlers they've ever had Well, and somebody wrote in, and I don't have it in front of me, so I don't have their name.

I'm sorry.

But

apparently, Dominic was either number one or number two in terms of most dates wrestled during the course of the year in the WWE.

So he's still,

because remember, we were talking a couple of weeks ago.

That's why they wrote, he still wants to improve.

He's still working.

Everybody else goes home and sits and waits for their call to come.

He was number two with 12 dates worked.

No, come on.

No, he was like 150 or something.

He did everything.

Anyhow, so then the next match, I'll just the third match of a five-match card.

We've had 25 minutes of women and five minutes of men.

So now we got some more women.

For the women's intercontinental title, it was Becky Lynch against our friend Lyric, the bird lady, the crazy bird lady, as Becky calls her.

And

it's weird when the heel says something, you're like, yeah, I agree.

I agree.

Yeah.

And see, here's the thing.

And I'm sorry for

the wrestling purists out there that I'm not going to break these matches down blow by blow and examine the psychology, but just in an overall, in a general fashion,

here's the thing.

Becky Lynch,

big women star, not as big as she was at one time.

She was hotter back then, but she's established.

She's a star.

Lyric,

this ain't going to work.

Not only the fucking wings,

okay?

Not only the outfit and the name that's unwieldy and people in fucking Hattiesport, Mississippi are going to go, what?

But watch her work or enter, when she comes out, when she's...

Facially, she looks scared to death.

There's no expression.

There's no energy.

When Rhea comes out for the the fucking entrance, she's got the facial.

She's doing a thing.

When Liv comes out, when a little with the Chelsea Green,

she's silly as fuck, but she's animated.

She's

committed to it.

Yeah.

She's committed.

This girl looks scared, shitless, no expression, no energy.

She's not being sexy.

She's not being cheerful.

She's just, she looks like she's second-guessing herself.

Why am I here?

Do you see that?

I agree with you.

I mean, I don't think she's untalented in the ring.

I think she is, but I think she doesn't exude confidence.

And

they're trying everything.

I mean, they're trying to get her to exude anger, all sorts of things right now.

And again, this whole Becky thing is just in the end to get her over, get her over more.

And I think she's talented, but,

you know, it's not as bad as Damian Priest, but it's kind of like that thing, something's amiss.

Maybe drop the wings.

I mean, that's again, the first thing.

Well, but also the personality, the

connect, the be happy, to be, she, again, looks, I think I said earlier, she looks like she ought to be a clerk in a pet shop.

She's a normal person.

She ain't show biz.

She's just coming out there in a fucking costume.

And

I mean,

if her work was

off the charts, impressive to where you know some of those other things wouldn't matter but i don't see that either and i know that she and becky are friends or country women or whatever and

but it ain't working uh it's it's like a low-fat twinkie it's there but there's not much to it even the people were trying to be polite becky's trying

but there's no

There's no pizzazz to this young lady.

She almost lost her top 30 seconds in did you see that had to have the referee tie it back up for her i told you i'm really enjoying the women's division lately well that might i was about to say that might have helped her

that might have helped her but um

15 minute match becky rolled her up and pulled the tights and won the title

and then as per pre-match

agreement stipulation Lyric had to raise Becky's hand.

And when she was doing that,

if you go back and watch it, anybody that cares enough, that'll be three people out there.

She's supposed to be trying to milk it and sell it like, I don't want to have to raise your hand.

Oh, God.

And kind of holding her nose and being forced to do it.

Yes, I agreed or whatever.

She was making all kinds of weird faces,

but I'm not sure they were faces that fit that.

fucking but she was just making weird faces and standing around her head her head down.

I don't think she's comfortable on television.

I don't think she knows what to do.

I don't, but I mean, go back and look at those

faces.

It's just odd.

It's just odd.

And then she put the belt on Becky and then German suplex her.

So

this is not over.

The bad feelings have not

been settled yet.

Do you believe that?

I mean,

Becky on the mic.

I mean, Becky's talented and Becky can spit stuff out, but does it always come across like she's performing or do you believe her?

I think she's better than average.

I don't think she's,

you know, the greatest female promo ever in history, but I think she's better than average.

And I think that when

she was, when she was on that run,

They believed that it worked.

And I think now that she's been back, I think everything else has kind of moved on.

And some of the things

are reaching these days.

Does that make any sense?

I think so.

Again, we'll talk about Raw later.

But that was Becky Lynch versus Lyra.

Is it Lyra?

Lyra?

Is it Lyra or Lyra?

Lyra.

I think it's Kira.

I think it's Lyra.

I don't.

Well, I think that it depends on what kind of change you get, what country you're in.

Well, that was Lyra.

That would be Pesos.

Intercontinental women's title match and a title.

Yes, it certainly was a mouthful there.

Speaking of bad actresses, there was a Kardashian ringside with some weird-looking face tattooed fucking guy.

That's the drummer from Blink 182, Travis Barker.

He was in a plane crash years ago.

Did he get the tattoos to cover up all the scars?

No, I think he had a lot of them before the plane crash.

It was just, you know, maybe out of the middle.

But then they couldn't tell how bad he was hurt.

That's why he looks so painfully thin.

This is like TKO's dream.

We're in LA.

We got a Kardashian.

Hey, someone got a bonus.

Hey, everybody in L.A.'s had a Kardashian, hadn't they?

Sam, I mean, seriously.

They're getting older.

They're not young enough.

Do the math.

Well, these things add up.

Were we going to the next match?

Where were we going?

Well, that was the women's intercontinental match.

Again, I think it was a good match.

The next match.

was the men's money in the bank match.

Yeah, boy.

And here we went completely.

actually no the the finish here was worse than the tag match finish i'm sorry i miss misremembered because this just went completely off the rail so now we've

an hour ago we had six girls with ladders trying to climb it

now we get six guys with ladders trying to climb

seth rollins

Penthouse, and by the way, Penthouse is, he was Penta when I was giving him a chance in the WWE.

Now that he's tried to assassinate Chad Gable, he's back to Penthouse.

And of course, Gable Americano,

Andrade, Solo, and L.A.

Knight.

And I was like, fucking hell.

The star power in this match, it's not a pay-per-view fucking.

This is a TV match.

But

they don't have to do anything else.

They don't have to haul their big boys out there and beat them

because they were sold out standing room only.

Turn them away.

People

given sperm samples to come in the fucking door.

They're collecting goddamn everything from people.

Do you know that, Brian?

Well, did you see there was a bunch of people sending around photos saying, oh, look at these empty seats.

Look at how many empty seats there are for this.

And then other people were saying, no, the Intuit Dome has like really well-financed lit seats.

So I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on.

I know what you're announcing.

Do you know what it was?

And I thought the same thing.

But if you go back and look,

they had the arena lit with all their standard lighting treatment, but they also had like a light on the back or somewhere on every seat in the goddamn building.

Right.

And because you had that, it was like a blue, as I remember.

When you had that shining at you, you couldn't see the people sitting in them.

When they would turn, because at first, at the first of the show, I thought, well, my God, the is there a traffic jam?

There's nobody in the

seats up there.

And then, when they would change the lighting,

you'd see people were sitting there.

I don't know

the stage covered some area.

I'm not saying the entire building was sold out, but where you could see

those lights on the seats on the camera, it made it look like that there weren't people there.

It made the people disappear.

That was a rare miscue for them.

But

that's the thing: is that

they're sold out.

They're fucking charging all this money, blah, blah, blah.

And you've got out of these six guys,

who could potentially win?

Seth Rollins was by far, I think we said, the favorite.

You know, L.A.

Knight never wins the big one, even though people want him to.

And Solo might have been a real long shot.

Does anybody think Penthouse is going to win this or Gable

or Andre?

So 10 minutes of entrances and then

the same thing with guys as it was with girls.

A lot of people doing stuff with ladders.

Gable accidentally hit Andre in the fucking nuts with his ladder.

And it didn't look like Andre was happy about that.

And

again, it's the modern audience, especially in a big city like that.

They're taking turns

disappearing so the two of the guys can get in a ring and do a stunt with a ladder and while they're doing stunts with ladders the fans are chanting we want tables

this isn't

it's come to this

so they did stunts over and over you can't

You can't cheer for somebody to win and beat the guy he's mad at because there's 18 people in this thing.

And you're not really hoping that somebody loses.

It's watching to see if somebody gets hurt.

And

then going into the fucking finish of the thing,

poor L.A.

Knight tried to do the boomerang on Gable so that Gable could boomerang up the climb up the ladder to

climb up and jump over to another ladder to jump over, but there wasn't enough room.

He couldn't extend his legs.

He'd have enough room to fall back.

So Gable just crawled up it.

Anyway, and rode the second ladder to the third ladder and climbed up and head-butted Penthouse with the steel plate and his mask.

And then L.A.

Knight gave Gable a belly to back off the ladder, which that was a goddamn hell of a bump.

And then they, again, Seth was trying to climb, but more interfered and they were all fighting on the ladders.

And suddenly both of the bronze came out, Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed.

And remember now, Brian,

it's no disqualification.

Very important to remember that.

So they speared Gable and they beat up L.A.

Knight and they beat up Andre in front of the referees because it's no disqualification.

And then Braun speared L.A.

Knight and reed splashed andre

and solo was out there begging off for him and then they play music and here comes jacob fatu and jc mateo

and now they've just given up on the fucking match

there are people making entrances to get in fights with other people and none of them are even in this match hey i was more interested in seeing Jacob Fatu and JC Mateo fight Braun and Bronson than I was the match.

Well, I know.

They didn't do the goddamn match any favor.

That's what I'm saying.

They just

give up on the match these days now to just do this stuff.

And it's no DQ.

So that's all okay.

And they had a four-way in the ring with the four guys not in a match.

And all the guys in the match were just laying around on the floor.

And then Braun speared.

JC through the barricade and Fatu gave a pop-up Samoan drop to Bronson Reed,

which was quite impressive, and a big dive on Mateo.

And

then

Fatu rolls Solo in

and sets up the ladder.

And Solo hugs Fatu and says, oh, yes, perfect.

And he starts to climb the ladder.

And Fatu's guarding the ladder so nobody can.

get Solo.

And then Fatu grabs Solo's leg.

And now they do the milking and the slowly I turn to the what.

And of course,

since they have 20 hours of programming a week, we might not have mentioned last week, but on SmackDown, Jacob Fatu in the darkness of the bowels of the building had overheard

Solo telling his boys, hey, it's fucking Jacob.

You know, we'll use him, but, you know, we run this thing.

And

if he gets gets out of line, we'll take care of him, all that stuff.

So Fatu knows this.

So Fatu,

when he's grabbing a hold of Solo's leg, he looks up and he says, Solo, I hate you.

And he pulls Solo down and super kicks him and moonsaults him.

And then rock bottoms him through the fucking ladder.

And the people are going crazy.

But of course,

it does beg the question:

why did he come down,

beat everybody else up, okay, so that he'd have a clear path at solo?

Why then did he set the ladder up to start letting the solo cloud?

Okay, creative license.

But it seems kind of abrupt that he just did it right there, but at least he did it.

And then he left.

And we have literally

been away from the match that is still going on for like six or seven minutes.

And then Seth slides another ladder back in

and climbs it.

But LA Knight pulls him down and starts climbing.

But Seth pulls him down and stomps him.

And then Seth climbs up and gets the briefcase, and the people cheered.

The people cheered the heel, the

man who wants to,

you know,

do a power grab and

along with Heyman, run the company, but they cheer when he got the case.

Was it just they were relieved it was over, Brian?

Yeah, it was an interesting reaction, wasn't it?

I don't know about that because I think they were.

They don't care anymore.

They just like everything.

There's no heat.

There's no heels.

They're just going to cheer all these people doing his stuff and then go home.

I think the fans were happy.

They enjoyed the match, but they were happy that someone won, that it was a star.

The only other one that I think would have made people happy was LA Night.

Yes.

More and more fans are complaining about his booking.

Have you noticed that?

Well, yeah, they have been, but it has increased, though, because it keeps going on that

every time he goes out there, the people want to see him do whatever it is he's trying to do, and he never does.

And maybe now that

their first fucking,

you know, mission has been accomplished.

Maybe they'll get on the LA Night bandwagon now.

What do you think of Rawlins having the case?

I think it's perfect with what we've seen on

Raw that we'll get to shortly, and with, you know, again, more directions they can go.

But I thought it was pretty much the only thing they could do to begin with.

Except, like I said, if,

you know, there was a dark horse candidate,

it might have been,

well, really,

Now that I look,

you know,

you can't,

you couldn't have had anybody but Seth win this thing, even Solo in some kind of heel fuck or whatever.

And at least this saved Solo, that Jacob was responsible.

But

that was about the only thing they could have done.

What do you think of Solo?

He went from being like a fearsome mute bodyguard to a hapless comedy figure.

Well,

that's, I mean, again, I hate to keep saying this, but I said that when Solo first showed up, you know, who ought to be doing this?

Jacob Fatu.

Solo didn't fit the picture

of the street fighter, crazy guy that, you know,

was going to be the enforcer, but Jacob did.

Now, as Solo,

I think with the other

flunky bloodline people, Solo can be the boss, but he can't be the.

Where's Tama Tonga?

Well, more importantly, where's Tongaloa?

See, now that's the question we got to be asking.

But are there with JC Mateo and if Tomatonga shows back up, and if Tongaloa hadn't been deported or whatever,

that could be a group and Solo can be the befuddled guy running that, but I don't see him dangerous anymore on a singles basis.

Well, the danger was still in the air because we had another match.

Oh, boy.

And I have to say, before we start this match, obviously there's been a lot of critiques everywhere, not just us about the Cena title run

feeling off, the booking feeling off.

You know, watching this match, I have to say, he's

not good in the.

he's just he's you know he's one of the biggest stars ever he connects with people

but his actual work is

i don't even know sloppy is the right word it's almost like

very careful nothing touches anything yeah

i don't know what's your critique of this

he's being he's being very careful and very safe and not only he doesn't want to hurt anybody else but i think even more importantly at this point he don't want to get hurt.

And

John Cena, psychologically,

psychology-wise, he knows everything to do, and he's doing those things.

But the problem is, as you mentioned, most of those things

do not look

convincingly performed anymore because of his, I mean,

And again, I never said that Cena was

Terry Funk or fucking, you know, whatever,

but he was younger and more athletic, and he could hit the ground harder and he could make a little bit more contact.

And again, I know that he said he wasn't tanning because of skin cancer awareness, but there's the fake shit.

It's just

he looks.

I mean,

we've done the, you know, Jim Varney jokes, and Ernest goes to the old folks' home.

He looks odd, is what I'm trying to say.

Between being pale and being older, and just the

youthful gimmick dress that doesn't fit him anymore, the whole nine yards, but it's

he knows what to do, but

everybody's being easy with him, and he's being easy with himself physically.

And I guess you can't blame him.

If I was, well, I'm worth the money I'm worth right now, and I wouldn't take a bump on purpose.

But that

the entrances and introductions of this thing were 15 minutes so again

we talked about

the aew shows going for four and a half close to five hours of just match match match match they never stop whereas these

the fifth match was going in the rig it was two hours and 40 minutes into the show and then

almost 20 minutes by the time we got the entrances and the introductions done.

And I mean, I like Logan Paul with the drone that's like a fucking trained bird.

Is he doing that or is somebody doing that?

How do they get it to come back to him and land on his hand like that?

Somebody, you're a technological expert.

Yeah, someone's controlling it.

I don't think he's doing it.

Someone else is doing it.

Well, I thought you could just say, come to me, my little

drone bird, and it would fly over there.

But

they started the thing,

and I wrote immediately: Logan Paul and Uso back and forth, Cena in stuff looks like shit, but fans into it.

They do the dueling chance, and

the people live in the building are looking over it, and he does almost nothing, but it gets over with the people there because it's the right thing to do, at least at the time.

You know,

they're not looking at the, the state of it.

That's, I'm just telling you.

And it turned into a spot show match.

I thought that John was back at St.

Teresa's gym

where they're just, you know,

they're just doing some spot show shit.

Nothing's, it's the furthest thing from flying off the top rope right now through furniture.

They were going to do a little bit of that later on.

But then

Cena and Logan Paul started tagging themselves in with the back slap and getting pissed.

Hey, I didn't want to get out.

What are you doing?

And Cena's like, I'm trying to teach you.

And they're shoving each other.

And that gives Jay a chance to tag Cody.

So he makes a big comeback.

And then they stop him and get more heat on him.

Now, oh,

because they had cut Jay off within the first two minutes of the start of the match.

I mean, we used to spend a little more time in getting the people invested in the baby faces, but now I guess just get to the meat of the matter.

And then they started going into

the more heavy, bigger momentum, false finish stuff.

Cody hit a crossroads on Cena, but Logan Paul came off the top, try to save, but he splashed Cena instead.

Jay speared Logan Paul.

Everybody was down.

Cena and Jay Uso had an awkward exchange

because now

everybody's timing was off there.

And then

Logan Paul got on a top rope and called his drone

and it landed on him, but Cody jumped up and superplexed him with the drone in his hand.

I was getting seasick at that point, trying to figure out which way was up from that camera angle.

And then they have to go out to the desk.

Let's make up for the first 20 minutes by breaking a lot of furniture.

So Cena was going to,

I guess, put Cody off table one through table two, but Jay ran and speared Cena onto the table.

And then

Logan Paul moonsalted off the top rope, threw Jay Uso on the fucking desk.

And how much distance did he get?

That was crazy.

Middle of 15 feet.

That was not to be.

Yeah.

And I mean, he may be a dick, but you got to say he's committed.

Because fuck that.

That's going to be different.

That's going to be

the committed dick.

Hey, you know, there is actually a goddamn dish.

I don't know.

There's a canned.

Listen to me now.

I've got it here on my.

I can't reach it with my headset on.

I got it in the store, in the grocery store over in the United Kingdom.

It is a can of what is called spotted dick.

And that's a food product over there, apparently.

But anyway,

so Cena gets the title belt and nails Cody with it.

And suddenly a hooded man hits the ring in a black hood and a black

shirt and everything.

Eddie tackles Cena and starts wailing away on him.

Boom, boom, boom.

Eddie stands up and he pulls off the hood and he pulls off the ski mask and it's R-Truth.

And the place comes unglued.

They're beside themselves.

And he grabs the title belt and hits Cena in the head.

And boom, and he takes off and Cody is back in

and hits the crossroads.

One, two, three.

Cody beats Cena

with the assistance of the returning R-Truth.

And that

is the only thing that made this fucking match.

They've hit something, which we're going to talk about here in a minute.

But

that was the best thing they could have done

and the right thing to do.

And it got over like crazy, but the rest of this match was.

Somewhat dreary.

And that's the truth.

Was that belt anywhere near Cena's head?

About six, eight inches away.

I mean, nobody they're treating him like he's a Fabergé egg.

And I mean, I heard he's changing his name to Tomo Hiro Cena.

Well, there's an element I can understand because he's 50 years old.

He's got to do this 18 more times this year, and it could be

a serious plan fuck-up if somebody drops him on his head.

But holy free, holy, I'm just

is a little

is a little off as a match, but the finish, you know, the finish wasn't actually that great either, except for our truth.

Everything else was kind of

eh.

But I don't, am I being too hard on it?

No, you're not.

The whole thing was about the R-Truth moment, and that was a great pop and a cool moment and a cool surprise.

Is

Cody Rhodes as cooled off as he's been since he's been there?

Well,

this was the thing they had to do to have Cody beat Cena here.

But boy,

it does seem like that there's

something missing.

And he did a good promo the other night and

he continues to

do good with what he's doing, but he didn't.

He needs a few.

He didn't do a lot.

He needs a few that fans will be invested in.

The fans are not invested in him chasing Cena.

Is this even him chasing Cena?

I don't even know if that's what we would classify this.

They were were invested in him going after Rollins.

They were invested in him going after the bloodline.

He lost the belt, and it just seems like, and then he disappeared off TV.

He just showed back up.

And they said this was his first match since WrestleMania, and it's a tag team match.

And yes, he beats Cena, but

then the next night on Raw, they

announce a completely different direction.

So

I don't think it's done Cody any favors here the last couple of months.

I think Rock may have, Rock did him an inadvertent favor last year,

but I think this time he stuck his nose in and this time he was able to do some damage.

Well, there were signs that

it wasn't as creative.

It wasn't, the TV wasn't as good as it had been just a little, a few months earlier, but it wasn't anything crazy.

But that Rock thing.

I'm not even blaming The Rock completely, although obviously everyone knows what I do blame him for when it comes to stuff there.

But that moment is almost just like a milestone that kicked off

a feeling of banality around the entire company.

Not that there aren't people and things that stand out, but

like since then, and then the long run up to Mania.

And Mania is going to be now, it's in Vegas again next year.

It's going to also be like the middle of the month,

late April.

I think it's probably going to be Easter again, isn't it?

Something.

It'll be some

exact days.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

Something around there just clicked where, again, guys can have individual great performances, but

everything to me doesn't feel as must watch as it had.

For a lot of the stuff, I'm content just going to the pay-per-views.

I've enjoyed the women's stuff more, but this main event picture.

You know, Cena sometimes gets me because he does like a good convincing.

He's like a really great in-ring yeller.

when he raises his voice it stands out it's really good but then he does like 10 minute promos

and then he always gets beat up in the promo

i don't know i'm i'm kind of down on everything but that rock appearance with cena and travis scott

that kind of is like the

you know we joked about it that was the bump in the road that was where they started they tripped that was vince mcmahon shaking hands with steve austin at wrestlemania it turns out

I mean, we'll see what happens, but I don't know if it's that bad.

We'll see.

That was bad.

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Yes, we have a bit of a follow-up on something we just talked about.

I've sent you a link.

I don't know for sure you'll be able to open it.

You may have to X out of something and ask you to join.

It's a Facebook link for a video.

We recently had a question about a wrestler named Flesh Gordon.

Do you remember that?

Oh, yes, yes, I do.

And we thought it was the old porn film, but apparently there was not only a wrestler named Flesh Gordon.

Well, you would have...

thought that too

but there was a there's more than one flesh gordon well and that's the video I have sent you.

Apparently, someone because it's not on YouTube, I was looking for it.

Someone has what is deemed or what has been billed as a tryout match footage.

A tryout.

Oh, good Lord.

I'm I've just clicked on it and I'm watching it right now.

Oh,

and the guy looks like he's trying to be Scotty Steiner.

He's got the gimmick bleached blonde mustache and beard and the short hair, and he's a jacked-up muscle guy.

But somebody had this,

somebody had this on Twitter the other day, and it's like a one-minute clip or whatever.

I think this was, this had to be early 2000s because this was after I was there.

I did not see this match.

I wasn't at the TV, didn't see it, but this guy,

it's like he's never been in a ring before.

And the other guy that he's working with doesn't particularly look like he's an expert, but he looks like he's trying to get something out of this that they've called,

and just nothing's happening.

This guy, Gordon, is picking him up and dropping him.

He's taking fucking phantom bumps.

They're missing each other when they're standing still.

I've never seen this level of amateurism or complete shittiness,

even on a WWE, even a dark match tryout match.

Nothing.

The guy, oh, God, he won with some kind of a spinning full Nelson

and then just gets up and looks down like, oh, my God,

I have shit all over my, and he's got his head in his hands as he's walking up the ramp.

Like, what have I done here?

That was after a wonderful Spinebuster, which

just a guy was leapfrogging him and he stood up under him

before he cleared him.

Oh, yeah, the spinebuster was the guy jumped up and then Gordon just dropped him.

And this is playing on a loop.

So you can see it over and over.

He's trying to shoot the guy off with a hip toss.

He was going to shoot him into the ropes with a hip toss.

Oh, but he got it the third time.

Oh, boy.

To confirm or deny, there are some people who thought this and I thought it was ridiculous, but this is not Ron Waterman, correct?

No, no good lord no no come to think of it though he looks

he he looks a little bit physically and with the short

blonde hair he looks a little bit like waterman but waterman didn't have the the gimmick superstar graham

beard and all that other and no ron waterman was better on in his sleep than this guy.

And again, the other guy is not exactly doing great here either.

Some of these punches are embarrassing.

Well, yeah, but at the same time he's probably said while he's punching him he's asking the guy have you ever done this before do you think you can do anything we called right now this apparently is a tryout match obviously we don't know either of these wrestlers this is a few years after you would have been the one arranging a lot of these matches a lot of these tryouts on these shows yes how does someone get how does someone who clearly

is not even indie level like how does someone get booked

well to open up the night, right?

This would have been before.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, and in those days,

they would have a match on first, even if it wasn't a tryout, just a dark match, because you'd get your announcer audio levels and they'd test out the cameras.

So at every TV taping, 10 minutes for bell time that was advertised, you'd get one match regardless of what else, just for technical reasons.

And a lot of times they'd use that to put somebody in the ring and take a look at him at the same time in front of people.

I don't know what town this came from.

I would have to assume that, oh my god, the guy was punching him in the head, and

he took three punches without even moving, and all of a sudden, just jumped up in the air and dropped to his hands and knees to sell a punch.

This had to be close to this guy's where he lived, his hometown or whatever.

And somebody

that knew one of the agents maybe said, oh, I got this guy.

I don't know.

You know, the only way this guy could have never got booked on his merits of doing anything ever.

But occasionally,

you know, either somebody that is a friend of the agents has a school locally or worked an independent show and said, oh, this guy, maybe the guy drove somebody around.

Hey, you want to take a look at him?

I put him out on the fucking.

you know, dark match for cameras.

This wasn't a serious.

I can't imagine this was ever a serious.

Let's see what the fuck this guy can do.

Okay, well, in that case, who would have been watching this?

Would Vince McMahon have been watching this?

Boy, they better hope not.

Was there an agent?

Whatever time period this was, was there an agent fired during that point in time?

No,

maybe Jerry Briscoe would have been, Bruce back in those days was on guerrilla position, but they might have had Jerry Briscoe watch it just because it's,

you know, a tryout or a dark match or whatever.

Hey, Gerald, see if any of these guys have anything.

But

unless Vince was already sitting there ready for the show to start and happened to look up from his format and go, what the fuck is going on here?

He probably didn't see it.

But

geez, this is just.

I've never seen anything this bad on a WWE show.

So this is on Facebook.

Yeah, this is on Facebook.

And it's apparently the match is around.

You could just look for the title of this video is Flesh Gordon had an all-time disaster performance in this tryout match.

And he knew it as soon as the match.

That's why he had his head in his hands.

He's like, oh, shit.

Now,

the idea that there's not just one Flesh Gordon, who apparently is a 71-year-old in France.

That there's a second Flesh Gordon.

Does Flesh Gordon pass the name test?

Only if you're talking about 70s porno theaters in Times Square.

No.

Why wouldn't it be early 80s porno if we're going based on the popularity and success of the Flash Gordon film?

Because I think that we're going all the way back to 35 millimeter porn

rather than fucking early VHS porn.

And that would be late 70s.

What do you think of Flash Gordon, the movie that came out in, what was it, it, 82?

When did it come out?

Somewhere around.

Oh, God.

I don't know that I've ever seen it.

Really?

Wow.

Because I remember, didn't Queen do the fucking soundtrack?

Get bombed?

That's right.

Get bombed.

That doesn't mean it was good.

Well, no,

along with the Sgt.

Pepper soundtrack, it's the only album that ever shipped platinum and returned double platinum.

Oh, no, that was, there were a few record labels that did that for a living, you could say, strategically.

What did you think?

That's one of the worst movies ever.

Is there anything redeemable about that Sergeant Pepper movie?

Sergeant Pepper, yes, besides the fact that it was just great and it was a wonderful movie to make out to in the back row in 1978.

Earth, Wind, and Fire got to get you into my life, into my life.

All right.

Well, this has been the Flesh Gordon segment, the now weekly Flesh Gordon segment.

If I was that guy, I'd try to buy up every copy of this video and burn it.

Maybe that's why we can't find it.

It's just incredible.

Jim, let's talk about Raw.

Raw from June 9th, 2025.

The Raw, the day after, the day after the pay-per-view.

Any thoughts?

What did you watch?

What do you?

Well, that's awkward now.

They're doing Saturday nights on their pay-per-views now.

They used to.

Used to do Sunday, and now it's all, it's just, it's odd anymore.

Hey, Raw, folks, two and a half hours.

Smackdown, three hours.

Money in the bank, three and a half hours.

They're just fucking wrestling us to death.

What we got

to me in nearly three hours of Raw

was we got a new world title match, made of it at the next pay-per-view.

We got a new world champion, number two,

and we got the best thing I've seen on television as far as wrestling goes in the last few weeks from any company.

and that's what we got on Raw.

And let's start out

with the new world title match that they've set up.

We talked about,

okay,

Cody won the tag team match at Money in the Bank, and he pinned Cena.

One would think that's hopefully going to be

the start of him somehow rehabilitating his image and maybe try to get even with this guy that's fucked him around.

And in the next night on Raw, we got a completely different direction.

We're going with completely different people for next month.

So I guess they're going to make us wait on this.

But

now we have, not to spoil anything, we'll get into the details, but we've got Cena versus Punk in Saudi Arabia.

And

we knew we were going to get, or we better have got Cena versus Punk.

I hate that it's in Saudi Arabia.

Bingo, what do you bingo?

What do you think that Punk would have, or that the people would have done in the back if Punk had said, when Cena said, well, we'll do it in Saudi Arabia, Punk said, well, I don't want to go there and do that.

So fuck it.

Just keep it.

We'll throw back in his way.

How about we do it in America?

How about Chicago?

Get the fans behind it.

Yeah.

But nevertheless, so we're getting ahead of ourselves.

Cena enters there in Phoenix, Arizona.

14,361 people in Phoenix.

They would have sold out the old Madison Square Garden there in Phoenix.

And

again, he's a heel,

but he's a star.

So they play his music, gets a giant pop,

and then they start chanting John Cena sucks with the music because they.

have fun doing that.

And all he has to do is go to the ring and stand there and they do the dueling chant let's go cena cena sucks

and he just milked it

and then obviously our truth had to be addressed and the actions from the pay-per-view so

cena cuts promo on him hey you've you think that really makes any difference You wasted your energy protecting a sideshow comedian.

Actually, sideshows didn't have comedians.

They only had freaks.

The comedian was on the regular stage.

You remember that, don't you, Brian?

I mean, I don't remember that, but I know that.

That's a very good point to point out.

The sideshow was the sideshow, wasn't the main show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But nevertheless,

you're all spineless keyboard warriors with no power to change anything.

And they're chanting, we want truth.

We want truth.

And he's like, this is my farewell tour, damn it.

And he counted the dates down.

We're halfway done.

If you want to use your voice for something,

use your voice.

Send me some competition because I've gone through all of them.

I've gone through Truth.

I've gone through Cody, gone through Orton.

I've beaten your absolute best.

And right then,

like Mussolini

with everybody singing,

here comes CM Punk.

And he gets the big CM Punk chance.

And now the people, okay, well, now we got this going.

And Punk did the promo and

he said all the right things.

He puts himself as the defender of the people

because he said how.

bizarre this is that John Ceda, the Boy Scout, is now anti-establishment.

And me, CM Punk, I'm defending the establishment, but I'm not defending the establishment.

I'm defending the people.

The fans are my boss.

I don't kiss the final boss's ass.

And he got them chant, you sold out at Cena.

And

it was a good promo,

very well delivered, but they're just.

It's now it's, it's kind of, do you get the feeling it's Punk's turn?

So they said, Punk, think up a good reason for you to

tell John you're going to take the title from him and defend the fans and

challenge him.

And so that's what he did.

And he said, after tonight, you've got 18 dates left.

So I'll let you pick which one

is the one where I take that belt off of you.

How about tonight?

And then Cena built it up a little bit and said, let's do it, but not tonight.

Boo.

Let's do it at night of champions in Saudi Arabia.

And the crowd was not happy.

And Punk agreed.

And then Seth's music played.

And Seth and his whole group come out.

And Seth holds up the Money in the Bank briefcase because,

okay, he'll take the winner.

He's either going to get Cena.

Or he's got the ready-made deal with Punk.

So that part, everything fits.

But

I get Punk has been in so many things where there was a real legitimate,

well, not real legit, but

in the story,

there was a real legitimate animosity, issues between the two, whether it was Drew or Seth or whatever.

And this is kind of like,

well, now it's Punk's turn.

But they need a main event for the pay-per-view and Saudi Raid.

Am I being hard on this here?

Of all the people, I don't think you are.

Of all the people in the company to put him in a match with at the pay-per-view, I think Punk's the one that would actually maybe mean the most to be in the States.

Also, Punk has been very vocal in the past.

I think he called it blood money about working with the Saudis.

What kind of payday do you think he's getting?

Millions and millions of dollars.

To finally agree to go over there.

And we know that it's, well, it was $50 million a show before they were even the goddamn,

you know, the big pay-per-views and everything.

So

they've got the money they can kick in a little bit, but

what?

I mean, also the thing is, Punk's in the middle of the stuff with Heyman, isn't he?

And Rollins.

Well, that's all part of it.

It's,

I liked,

especially with the bloodline thing and leading into WrestleMania, they had a lot of people interconnected to where there's issues between different people and bad feelings or whatever.

But now it's starting to seem like it's getting a little spread out.

Everybody's got a problem, and you can kind of dilute things in people's mind when you do that.

So

I don't know, but I'm like you.

I think,

number one, I believe punk,

well, but they don't have to draw money anymore.

I was going to say,

yeah that's the problem like that's the problem it well it seems like punk cena would have been a summer slam or a

a bigger event or a show in chicago again i don't know what their schedule is but something in the states that would be big yeah

but they don't have to they don't have to draw money anymore they don't have to put the the most attractive match on top of the most

attractive pay-per-view because it's all fucking guaranteed almost anyway

But yeah, I'd rather rather have seen it in

the good old United States of America, but maybe they were worried one or both would be kidnapped off the streets by massed fucking hooligans.

Well, here's the question: if they had that match in Chicago, would those fans be so amped up and into it that it would be great?

Or would they lose some of their positive feelings for it with Cena's work right now?

And the realities of not,

don't give Cena a black eye, don't give him a bruise.

He's got skin cancer.

Obviously,

Rick Forrest says he's looking for attention.

I think

Punk would probably still get his shit in

because he's not noted for being a serial injurer.

But I think the problem would be with Chicago is that

if they're not putting a belt on Punk, better not to have that there than with these people.

Good point.

Because then they'd do more.

Because people would be kind of bummed, even if they weren't mad at punk.

They'd just be bummed by the whole thing.

They're running through everyone.

They did Orton.

Now they're going to do Punk.

And again, we're all assuming Punk ain't winning the belt in Saudi Arabia from John Cena.

Are you excited to see Cody get another run at Cena?

Who is there that you want to see Cena wrestle right now?

Well, that's it.

I think Cody has to be the one to win it back eventually, or elsewhere, boy,

I think that did do damage.

Right now, now, you know, there's still a chance to straighten this out.

Roman Reigns.

Roman Reigns.

Part-timer at best.

But I mean,

it's a big name match.

Who are we forgetting that we might be enthralled by seeing Cena Reigns?

Obviously, The Rock, but I don't know if that's a realistic thing, The Rock versus Cena.

A tag match with Travis Scott, of course.

I guess that would be

on the plate.

Now, I think it would probably draw more money from the wrestling fans than anything else they could do if they just brought Travis Scott to the ring and set the entire roster loose on him.

Just beat the shit out of him.

Well, SummerSlam two nights in New Jersey.

Worse things have happened over two nights in New Jersey.

But Jim, let's continue on.

Raw rolls on.

Worse things have happened to rappers in New Jersey at night.

All righty then.

Let's get before we go to the main event, the world title match, let's get to the meat of the matter.

Our truth is back in the WWE.

Of course, everybody knows that.

We just talked about his appearance on Money in the Bank, but

all of a sudden he popped up on Raw at Ringside.

And this was the best thing that I've seen from any company in a little while

because they not only

capitalized on a situation, but they've made it better.

They didn't just bring

goofball our truth back to do stupid shit and do comedy.

They brought him back

for whatever period of time that they've signed him for.

We don't know if it's a full three or five year contract or we don't know what it is, but they're going to do this

halfway seriously.

He got up on the on the desk and he addressed everybody and they're all with it.

And he said, I'm back.

I'm the truth.

I'm nothing but the truth and blah, blah, blah all the truth stuff.

But he said, but sometimes

truth can be too funny.

Truth can be too friendly.

Truth can be too nice.

And he takes out scissors

and fucking cuts his, are those dreadlocks or since there was only like three of them that the braids or whatever the exact terminology would be

he cut those off his head and the people started chanting holy shit

you got a lot of these idiots at all these companies

attempting to paralyze themselves and people are sitting there eating popcorn And this guy cuts three braids off of his head and gets holy shit from 15,000 people

because they're into it.

And now they feel like they've done something.

He thanked all of them.

He says, because of you,

you wanted the truth.

So they feel like they've got some power.

He was over to begin with because they liked him.

But now he's over more because they feel like they have an emotional investment, a personal investment in him.

They've helped get him back.

But when he cut the hair off, he said, From I am Ron Killings.

He's going by his real name.

He's admitting that he's been just a comedy stooge for a while, but he's, in effect, saying

that I'm not going to waste this opportunity

and I'm going to be fucking serious.

And everybody gets what Ron Killings gets the name Ron Killings on TV

for however long this lasts so that after that he can transition to

doing MDs, whatever.

The people got what they want.

And they have put this guy in a position where, because if they just brought Ron Killings back and had him come out

and do some funny comedy, the people would have been happy with it.

But now they've positioned him with this one promo that he did so fucking well,

where you could actually book him in

upper matches now, and he can

be taken seriously, especially because he can work

if he's not doing the goofy stuff.

If he's playing it a little straighter, he's still going to be entertaining and funny and blah, blah, blah.

But you can put him in some positions now where the people will be behind him as a real human being instead of a gimmick.

Because that's what he said, I'm not just a gimmick.

So, this

they again

turned a negative into a positive

and actually

ended up.

And I'm not saying they just stumbled into this because obviously they did the wrong thing to get to the right place first, but they've made it better,

they've made him more valuable by just recognizing not only

that the people wanted him, but,

okay, we can't bring that middle card underneath guy, comedy guy back at a lot of money.

But boy, we've got an opportunity now to take him in a different direction.

And they saw it and they did it.

So this was my favorite thing.

It's going to be interesting to see the reaction going forward because, again, fans.

I guess there were different outcries.

Wrestlers who took to social media were unhappy that Ron Killings was no longer going to be in the locker room.

Fans were unhappy that R-Truth was no longer going to be in the company.

Some because they thought he should have a job for life.

Some because they love his segments, some because of the way he had just been booked, including like the number one selling shirt they had.

Do the fans want Ron Killings?

Or do they want a better pushed R-Truth?

You know what I mean?

Well, they're going to get both because, and see, here's the thing.

And the wrestlers who were upset because, oh we loved him in a lot well grow up and figure out how the world works jesus christ that is totally nothing to be in any way contemplated by the tko management whether the boys are mad because we fired somebody yeah if you're carlito how do you feel right now you're like man no one took the social media like oh bring that carlito but that but that but no carlito's smart to the business and he knows it it's because he didn't have a funny fucking gimmick where he got to do heartwarming shit all that time it's a different fucking picture but point is, nobody gives a shit what the boys thought.

But the fans, okay, the fans are

crying out for us to bring this guy back.

Okay, well, we can consider that, but

are we going to bring back the same middle card, as I said, underneath guy doing funny segments every once in a while, just to give people

a feel-good

experience?

Or are we going to try to do something with him?

And part of doing something with him to put him higher up on the card were the people that wanted to see him get his job back and want to see him prosper.

They obviously want to see him higher up on the card.

Well, they can't do that with the fucking guy that don't know everybody's name, but they can

take that guy,

not take all of his comedy away, but give him a purpose to prove to the people that he can be more

than what he's been.

So he's doing this for them.

He's going to be more serious or straighter and trying to

compete with top talent because he wants to reward the people for believing in him.

That works.

And he can work.

So then you get

a motivated guy that can work with a little,

you know, a mission, a purpose, and the people will be with it.

And this was done very well.

Now,

for the, so yes, you always,

you don't care whether it cares, not, you don't listen to because you can't base it on whether the boys are upset you fired a popular member of the roster.

That makes no difference whatsoever in business.

But if the people who are watching the shows and buying the tickets are upset about it, then you might better find a way to make them happy.

That's why we talked about it last week on a show.

I said, I can see

a guy 53 years old that's been there for 20 years and been used in an underneath spot and making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

Yeah,

he'd be a good candidate to be let go.

But right now, odd timing.

They thought, well, we'll get something,

you know, one more little thing out of him.

We'll let him do the thing with Cena.

It uses up a Cena match, but he ain't going to get hurt, blah, blah, blah, before we let him go.

That's what they were thinking.

But

that's why I said, even just with the amount of merchandise that he was selling.

And at that particular point, why not do something short term to keep him involved?

And we don't know what the term is here, but

it was odd that they would do the timing was bizarre, and that helped

the fans getting behind truth and getting him back there.

But also,

apparently, from what we're being told,

they started calling him back, Brad, and he wouldn't answer the phone right away.

And I don't blame him because he had to know they weren't calling him to fire him again.

Right?

Okay, you've called me and you've said, well, not firing, but we're not renewing you.

Okay, a couple of days later, when everybody's stirred up about it on the internet, they're not going to call him again to reiterate that he's fucking not being renewed.

He had to know.

As soon as they called him back, I got you, motherfuckers.

And then he didn't answer the phone and he waited for Nick Khan to call him.

Is it safe that wouldn't.

Man, that's going up the ladder.

Well,

when they pissed me off about my car windshield and I went home and Vince called, I didn't call back.

Bruce called, I didn't call back.

And then JR called.

I called him because I wasn't mad at him.

But

they were thinking, oh, shit.

So he did the same thing.

He waited until the person he wanted to talk to called, and then he took the call.

And it was perfect.

And again, for this amount of publicity and for this spot on the pay-per-view, you couldn't buy

that spot.

It had to happen like that.

So Nick Kahn knew, fuck it, with the amount of money we're taking in and the parameters that we're running under these days, to give this guy a half million dollars, just come do this show probably wouldn't be a big fucking deal.

So, but but I like it, they're elevating truth.

He got what he wanted, people got what they wanted.

And of course, Triple H said,

it's all part of the show, all part of the show.

Well,

everything is all part of the show.

This, that show called life,

But this was.

Don't look behind the curtain.

Don't look behind the curtain.

They didn't mean to do it this way.

And it wasn't planned, but it worked out

for everybody, pretty much for the best.

Do you have to do Ron Killings, John Cena now?

Well, here's that's the thing is they've done R-Truth versus John Cena, but they haven't done Ron Killings versus John Cena.

But

I would save that.

I would let him be a thorn in the side.

But I'm wondering if Cody is going to end the reign, whether it's the last night or whether they have time for John to try to turn back babyface or whatever,

if they're going to put it back on Cody, I'd save R-Truth or I'd save Ron Killings versus Cena for right before that.

So that with Cena beat him,

it would be a fuck.

But then

Killings would would be there to help cody come in and shoot the angle

and because you don't want to

you can't have ron killings come out now and be ron killings

and then some anybody beat him immediately or then you've just the whole thing up to begin with it's that would be like the the children over at AEW the the wins don't matter and losses don't matter let's just have a good match no

the last part of this puzzle is going to be

make Ron Killings competitive.

Let's see him win a few things.

And let's definitely don't see anybody beat him

right quick.

Let him be the thorn in the side.

Give him little triumphs, little small triumphs, or let him be in the right place to help.

other top baby faces.

And then finally, you fuck him up right before

ultimate baby face fucking brings the hammer down.

But at least they got somewhere to go.

This is taking the

Vince McMahon version of Ron Killings completely out of the picture because R-Truth was a Vince McMahon thing.

He wasn't like that in TNA.

He wasn't like that in his previous run in WWE as Kay Quick or whatever it was.

Yeah.

And I mean, he can still be a happy, funny guy, but that ain't the only reason he shows up.

He he can do that backstage in a fucking pre-tape but if he comes out in front of people he needs to be ron killings now what do you think of this sort of turnaround and again it happened because he went public with the fact that his contract wasn't being renewed it caused the fans to really speak out it caused him to trend it caused people chanting his name

they went in there and immediately made a new deal as fast as they can get to him

preventing him from going anywhere else.

You know, I brought up, would it be worth it to AEW to have him around the show?

That was kind of as a comedy figure, not even thinking about the idea of a serious Ron Killing showing up.

Well, but it wouldn't have worked.

It probably wouldn't have.

You're right, but I'm saying they did not want anyone else taking advantage of what positive momentum there was behind Ron.

Well, again,

I'm looking at it the other way.

I don't think he would have done

any appreciable business for AEW whatsoever.

You're taking

something out of context.

You're taking somebody out of their environment.

Yes, the fans would be like, oh, it's R-Truth.

He's over there now, but it would have just got lost in a shuffle like everything else.

Nick Con saw that they had a chance to do something to increase WWE business, not hamper AEW business.

I'm not saying they wouldn't do that,

but in this case, no, they weren't worried about,

they might have been worried about R-Truth signing with AEW before they could get him back because they wanted him back.

But they didn't think, oh my God, we can't let him go to AEW or the ship is sunk.

They just wanted him back because they saw, oh shit,

we've stumbled into something here we can really fucking run with.

It's more of a

benefit.

for the WWE to have Ron Killings on the roster than it is a benefit for AEW to have Ron Killings on the roster, no matter what gimmick he's portraying.

Well, here's the other thing.

If they hadn't signed them, what was the finish of the pay-per-view going to be of the tag team match?

Well, that's a good question.

I'm sure it was still going to be Cody beating Cena, but it wasn't going to be

with Ron Killings in the middle of it.

So they would have come up with some finish that probably after that match wouldn't have gotten over as well.

I can't imagine what they could have done without Killings to get over as well as they did with him.

Could Killings versus Cena be the main event of one night of SummerSlam?

Is it that big or is it not that big?

Now we're pushing things.

I mean,

I don't see that.

I don't see that, but

I could have seen, honestly, Ron Killings versus John Cena in Saudi Arabia and and Punk and Cena at SummerSlam.

Yeah, I agree.

But one way or another, he'll get a chance.

He'll get a shot.

Do you worry about any resentment from the booker?

If you go home and say, I'm not taking your calls, I'll wait till your boss calls.

Do you risk getting

sensual resentment going forward?

He didn't say that.

He didn't pick up the phone and say, I'm not taking your call.

I'll wait till your boss calls and hang up the phone again.

He just didn't answer the phone.

And

I'm sorry, but I don't think Triple H is that

fragile and or unfamiliar with how the boys think

that he's going to be upset because the guy that they just fucking basically said, you're done, see you later, wouldn't immediately return their phone call because there was some prickliness, I guess, still involved there.

So I don't think it's going to be a big fucking deal.

All right.

Well, that, of course, is one of the big things happening on Raw.

We still have a big main event to talk about.

But, you know, maybe this whole scene of run would be better off.

Maybe the

whole run would be connecting better with the audience.

If John was listening to some good music during the week, while he worked out, while he got ready, while he conceptualized what he was going to do in that week's 12-minute promo.

Maybe he's listening to the wrong thing.

Maybe the sound isn't good enough.

Maybe he needs earbuds that'll fit his ear and feel great.

Raycon.

Maybe there's anything in there I could work with.

I'll tell you one thing

that if he was listening to the Raycon everyday earbuds, then he might be happier, but maybe the fans would be more clear about things if they were listening to the everyday earbuds and you could have a recording of John Cena explaining this whole angle to you in detail.

Sort of like an audio book where you could follow it along that way you wouldn't be confused is there anything in there what about every day every earbuds raycon raycon every day

loud noises and words everyday people sly stone unfortunately just passed away and that's right i listen to a lot of his i actually once listened to sly stone uh space cowboy on a loop in the seattle airport for like six hours waiting for an airplane on my raycon and you were loopy at the end of it it was a good time the west coast flystone back then yeah passed away i think he was 82 years old i think his his liver was only six though but uh folks it's summertime you're gonna go outside you got more daylight you time to be out

in the summertime hot fun in the summertime you're enjoying every moment from sunup to sundown but

You need entertainment while you're out there.

You're jogging and you're sweating and you're toting the barge and lifting the bale and digging the holes in the ground.

And the Raycon everyday earbuds are the perfect summer accessory.

You might be at the gym listening to some of that pump up the jam music, or you might be laying out in the sun.

Pump up the jam.

Who's listening to that?

Yeah, you know, pump up the volume of the

see, that's how you work out.

Or let's say you're sunbathing.

You listen to

the music factory?

What are you doing over there?

Yeah, you want to listen to sunbathing music.

Sunbathing?

With some good music to sunbathe by.

What the hell is that?

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that's it all right jim well we we got a new world champion that's right we're back to raw i forgot all about that i was about to go in a completely different direction well i guess i want to mention it that's right i want to mention it because we got to we got to recognize these milestones here but

Gunther beat Jay Uso for the world heavyweight title number two.

And of course, that's been the even though jay has been involved with the other folks and the tag match and various other things gunther has still been on him

and

i got to be honest with you again i think this the time was right for this because

and the match again a good match

And Jay, you know, got the injured ribs and they worked on him.

And that was part of his downfall.

But Gunther just got the sleeper and choked him out.

And

they're protecting Gunther,

who's very valuable to them.

But Gunther is a kind of guy that can't lose

more than every so often.

And when it counts, in a big show, he's lost twice, and both of them were big matches, big shows,

made the point, and now he's won the belt back.

Jay's a guy now you can beat him.

Because I think they realized

jay got over so well with the people that if he didn't win something big they were going to damage him and that's why they put this belt on him and he's had it long enough that it wasn't a fluke or a joke or just something you know blah blah blah he's had it he's defended it

but now gunther needs the belt more than Jay does because Gunther needs to keep his heat.

Gunther needs to

be a monster that still needs to be slayed and it's rare when it happens.

Whereas Jay now has had it long enough, as I said, that it wasn't a fluke, but you avoid

some blowback because at some point, everybody likes the music, everybody likes the entrance, everybody likes Jay and his promos and the way he sounds and feels heartfelt.

But sooner or later, they're going to start looking at him and go, wait a minute, now Jay's the world champion

with this roster, with all of these guys.

And there may be some blowback.

This way,

he won it when it meant the most.

He held it long enough, it wasn't a fluke.

He can always say he was a world champion and can always be in contention for it again.

Didn't hurt him at all in terms of how the people like him.

And it helped Gunther and it freshens that up.

So that's why, again,

this was perfect.

And normally, you don't get the guy regaining it back from the guy that lost it from him anymore or lost it from him.

You don't anymore in modern wrestling get the previous champion regaining the belt from the guy that beat him for it very often.

And in this case, I think it fit.

And I think the timing was about right.

And,

you know, we've been in the past, we've been

hopeful that they wouldn't do anything to

damage Gunther because he is, as I've said, the perfect wrestler.

And I think they helped him here without hurting Jay.

So for all those reasons, I was in favor of this also.

But you tell me, Brian.

I mean, I think it's the right move.

You know, Jey Uso winning the belt was a bit of a surprise in terms of, just in terms of the decision to go that way.

And then it worked, and the fans were really into it.

But like you said, it couldn't last forever.

He came out with his son.

I don't know why, but that made me think, oh, this is definitely a title change.

You know, just because that's like the ultimate.

Well,

he was in the walk-in at Money in the Bank, too.

Yeah.

So at least he'd been there the day before.

But yeah.

I think WWE booked Gunther better since he lost the belt than almost anyone who's like lost the belt and you're waiting for them to do something else he didn't come down a notch at all it did like the fans enjoyed chanting you tapped out

but beyond that he's still been presented strong he's now the world champion again

the booking of him versus the booking of cody since they each lost the belt has been a night and day

Boy,

we ought to sometime see Cody and Gunther.

That would be interesting.

They could have a rip snorter, a stem winder.

After Cena, because otherwise it's just a setup to the Cena rematch.

Well, yeah.

But they've got time because they're both young.

But anyway, so again,

Jay still over,

lost the title.

Gunther,

all is right again with the world.

And then there was a bunch of other stuff because it was almost three hours, but that was my highlights of Raw because

when they do 10 hours of programming in three days, we have to just kind of hit the high points.

Well, that was WWE Raw, another spectacular on Netflix.

All right, let's move on from that.

Streaming television.

Yeah.

Screaming television, because it makes me scream and cuss.

Oh, okay.

I thought you were going to keep going.

Just cuss was the end word, and we are going to continue.

Cuss was the end word.

Scream and cuss.

We are going to continue on here.

There we go with the organ.

We got some questions.

Let's get to some questions here, Jim.

This first one was sent to corney drivethru at gmail.com from Isaac.

I was wondering why there are wrestlers who do the flip over.

I guess why there are not.

He left out a word.

I was wondering why there are not wrestlers who do the flip over the turnbuckle spot anymore.

Now, what?

I see that all the time.

I think he's referring to the Ric Flair, Ray Stevens,

Sean Michael, Sean Michael, Adrian Adonis to an extent.

Adrian Adonis.

I've seen

Charlotte does it

as a tribute to her dad.

I've seen several people do it in the last year.

I don't know if it's as oft done as it used to be, but that's just because you don't see Ric Flair, Ray Stevens, or Shawn Michaels that much anymore.

And one influenced the other, who influenced the other.

Yeah.

So, I mean, it's, it's, there are other people that do that bump in a variety of

ways, good, bad, and different.

But

I think it's probably just because now

the people that are involved are stealing their shit from different guys that they looked up to.

Flair thought Stevens was the best in the ring, so he used some of Stevens's stuff.

Michaels thought Flair was the best, so he used some of his shit.

Now, some of these assholes think that

our little puppy pockets is just swell, so they're imitating their bullshit, but it'll come back around.

Our next question here is sent to Courtney DriveThru at gmail.com from Cage Schutz

in Goreville, Illinois.

Who, what, where?

K Dip Shits, what was that name?

Cage Schutz, S-C-H-U-E-T-Z,

in Goreville, Illinois.

I'm an avid listener of the podcast and love all that you do for the wrestling industry.

I have also been affected by the recent weather here in southern Illinois, so I've enjoyed your comments on our latest storms.

What are you laughing about?

I've enjoyed your comments on our recent storms.

I just love them.

They're great.

He's commiserating.

We've all had rotten weather down here.

My question is: whether one of the Road Warriors was seen as better than the other.

I've always been more drawn to Animal.

However, it seems that Hawk was used more in high-profile matches.

I was wondering if there was a reason for this.

And if so,

why was Animal not seen as high-profile?

Well, no, I mean, I think he's probably seen

Hawk in a couple of singles matches and just,

you know, thinks that.

As I recall,

they were sparingly used in singles matches.

And the biggest

high-profile matches I can think of was in the 86 Great American Bash.

Dusty's idea was to have a different challenger for Flair every night, but that would have been.

They was at 14 spots and he only had like eight baby faces.

So Ricky Morton got a couple, but Hawk got one.

Robert Gibson got one against Flair in Fayetteville.

But most of the time, except for maybe setting up an angle for the Warriors against a team, they didn't do singles at all.

As to the question,

it depends on what you're talking about.

Did the boys

think that Animal or Hawk, there were differences.

Animal, for example, was stronger.

And I mean, that's like,

you know, remember, we're talking degrees.

I'm not saying Hawk was fucking weak as cat's piss, but animal was stronger on the press slams and the spots like that.

He was a little bit stronger in his overhead press than Hawk.

So, like,

you would have Hawk press a guy and throw him to Animal who could catch him, not the other way around.

Because, and

goddamn it, though, Hawk pressed me one time, had his hand right on my fucking nuts.

I thought I was going to die by the time he pitched me.

Oh, fuck.

Because he was used to grabbing guys with tights, and I had fucking dress pants on.

And it's your shit flops around a little looser there.

Hawk was definitely the better promo.

Whereas, you know, Animal was good, but he always tell him Hawk.

Hawk was the more personality-filled promo.

Psychology was selling-wise.

Sometimes.

Animal, even though he was the bigger guy, sold a little bit better than Hawk.

So these were just, it wasn't like either one of them was seen by the general fans as much more

talented or over or

qualified or whatever as the other.

The fans saw them as a duo.

The boys, when we'd worked with them, it depended on what you wanted to do as to which one you called it with based on their strengths and/or

Bobby liked to do certain spots better with Hawk than he did with Animal Animal because

Hawk just his

work and his style was more complimentary to that type of thing.

Animal was the bigger power guy.

Hawk did the clothesline off the top.

Animal lifted the fucking guy.

So just that kind of difference, but not

that I don't think so the fans ever noticed.

All right.

Well, let's go to our next question here.

This one was sent to corney drive-through at gmail.com.

This one is from

no name attached.

Jim, when fans meet wrestlers at conventions, I assume and expect the wrestlers would like to be called by their wrestling name and persona.

If a fan sees a wrestler at the airport, restaurant, or any non-wrestling-related event and approaches them, Would the wrestler prefer to be addressed by their wrestling name or their real name?

What is the proper protocol i think the wrestler in most cases in the airports and things would prefer to be left alone um

no the the wrestling name for no

you look like a stalker if you go up to a bill of the butcher and go hi larry

the who the are you

unless you are a relative or a personal friend outside the wrestling industry of a guy don't ever call them by their real name I mean, it's, I've said this before, it's bad enough that the guys in the locker room call each other by their real names now so that you never know who they're talking about.

It gets you in a

bad habit when you start calling guys by their real names because you'll slip and do it in front of people.

So, no, you always call a guy.

Mr.

I mean, Mr.

is good in there, but I mean, of course, that's tough for

actually, no, it's not, I was going to say say for Abdullah the Butcher, he used to actually have

a goddamn monogram that he'd have on those custom-made silk shirts that he'd wear.

It would say on the pocket, Mr.

Butcher.

But I don't, you know, you don't just go up and go, hey, Rick.

You go, well, I guess maybe now a lot of people wouldn't go up to flare at all, but you don't go.

Hey, Michael Hick and Bottom.

You go, hi, Mr.

Michaels, or hello, Sean.

And a little, you know, just some

manners and a little

respect will probably get you everywhere.

But don't go up and start calling people by their real name like you're a goddamn FBI informant.

I saw a kid once at the parking garage opposite Madison Square Garden run up to Mr.

Fuji.

He's like, Harry, Harry.

Fuji looked amused.

Like he didn't even respond or kind of pay attention, but he just chuckled to himself.

Yeah, see, that's, you know, then they're just trying to be an asshole.

I know something I'm not supposed to know.

I know what your name is.

Good.

Maybe you can figure out who your father is after that.

All right, Jim.

Let's go to our next question here.

This was sent to CourtneyDriveThru at gmail.com from David.

Do you think this version of John Cena is that of Johnny Valentine?

Working really slow and methodical, and it picks up towards the end?

Yes, his age and acting plays a role in his limitations in the ring.

But since he's a student of wrestling, you think he watched some Valentine matches and said that could work for me?

There is absolutely no resemblance whatsoever between the style in ring of Johnny Valentine and John Cena.

And Valentine may not have done a lot.

But there was no element of we're going to lighten up on the blows here and there's going to be plenty of daylight and oh, let's take some gingerly bumps because we don't want to get hurt

no i mean there's there's no

there's no comparison at all in the styles and i don't even a lot of people haven't seen enough johnny valentine they've heard the name but to really even illustrate it

but no john and again you can't blame him he wasn't the greatest in-ring performer that ever stepped foot on the planet in his younger days, but he was athletic and could bump and could move around.

But now he's 50 and he's a movie star and he's got 18 matches left.

And he ain't

goddamn going through a lot of fucking furniture, I guarantee you.

But that doesn't mean that he's doing what Johnny Valentine did, which was a completely different style of match where

Valentine would make the fans believe that he was legitimately grounding and goozling and pounding the baby face and fucking torturing him, and then slowly let the baby face come back until finally the comeback happened.

And then he'd have to fight for every inch that he got the baby face.

And Valentine would back up an inch at a time and they'd be hitting each other so hard you could hear it the cheap seats.

But

it's not, it's a completely different thing.

And here's something I just thought of, though.

Brian, I know we've been saying 50-50.

How old is John Cena legitimately?

Is it 49, 48, 51?

Where's he at in there?

John Cena is 48.

Okay, how old

was Johnny Valentine in 1975 when the plane crash happened, where he was the top heel in the Carolina Territory working every night against Wahoo McDaniel and Tim Woods and all the rest of those fucking guys.

He was born in 28.

So he was 47.

Yeah, you could still run into Valentine with a small fucking rental vehicle when he was 47 and he wouldn't have sold it.

So it's a completely different style.

All right, we got another question here.

This one was sent to CordyDriveThru at gmail.com by Barry.

Been a wrestling fan since I watched Ray Morgan on my black and white TV with rabbit ears call matches of the likes of Argentina, Apollo, and the Flying Kangaroo Brothers from Ringside.

Over the years.

Actually, they were from Australia.

Or they weren't brothers either, right?

But either way, we know what he's talking about.

That was a grammatically incorrect sentence that I was making fun of.

But yes, they weren't from Ringside.

They were from Australia.

But Ray Ray Morgan was calling the matches from Ringside.

Over the years, a number of changes took place, and the players came and went.

Of course, one of these cast members was none other than Mr.

Jim Cornet.

But I can't help but wonder

both what wrestling would have been like without the racket-wielding instigator and what he might have chosen as a career path had he not graced us with his presence every week at Ringside.

So,

Jim,

what might you have been?

Would you have opted to be a double-knot spy like Jethro Bodine?

Or would you have been more comfortable holding one of the many jobs of Walter Midi?

Perhaps a Midwest version of Dog the Bounty Hunter would better suit.

Or would you rather champion justice as a consumer reporter, concentrating heavily on fast food chains throughout Mid-America?

So, sir, what say you

inquiring minds want to know

well i'm glad he didn't ask what would wrestling be like without me because then i would have to imagine

what the world would be like without my glorious presence but what

what would i have done if wrestling hadn't come up and we've talked about this and it's been quite a long time

At some points in my life after I got into wrestling, when wrestling was ebbing and flowing, I've done radio.

And I thought, you know, I might like to get into radio past, you know, having to go to

through the courses to learn how to run the board and all that shit.

Otherwise than that, you know, radio, I got the perfect face for it.

But that

is because of my involvement in wrestling.

I don't know that I would have ever

sought out or wanted to be.

I never, I didn't even get into wrestling because I wanted to be on TV.

Being on TV was a byproduct of being in wrestling.

You had to do the TV show to be able to go down and be on the show at the Louisville Gardens.

So I don't know without wrestling that I would have done anything related to broadcasting, radio, television, whatever.

I think, to be honest, the most probable thing would have been some type of journalism, writing, or reporting.

Not only because of my dad and his

interests in journalism and being in the newspaper business all of his life, but

just because that was what I did for, well,

I did two issues of my own newspaper when I was like six years old.

Because

I think my mom had to go somewhere and I spent the afternoon over at the neighbor's two doors over, my dad's best friend.

And

his wife, you know, let me play in Charlie's den.

And he had the old typewriter there.

And my dad worked for the Courier Journal.

So we did the, my version of the Courier.

And I interviewed my fucking dachshund, Hans, and talked about how Sadie next door had said something about one of the other neighbors.

And My mom caught that in the five copies with the carbon paper of the newspaper that I typed out and said, you shouldn't say that or put that in print, what she said.

I probably would have either a writer or a journalist or something to do with,

and most probably not fiction, but non-fiction, if I was going to be writing.

But I think without wrestling,

that's probably what I would have done.

I was always

natural in any type of writing or spelling or English class or whatever.

I always read from before I even started going to fucking school.

I was always

head over heels for books of all types.

It would have had to have been something in that field.

Boring, huh?

What would wrestling have been like without Jim Cornett?

Well, I don't know.

Because fuck it might not still even exist if I hadn't been here to save it so many different times.

All right.

Well, Jim, let's get another question here.

This This one was sent to Courtney Drive-Thru.

I mean, I'm only one man.

This question was sent to CourtneyDrive-Thru at gmail.com from Dre.

Hey guys, love your show.

Makes my workdays go by so much better when there's a new episode.

I have a question about the chic dark side of the ring.

I grew up in the 80s in southeastern Michigan.

And back then, when me and my friends got into wrestling, all of our parents would always bring up Dick the Bruiser.

They would say Dick the Bruiser was our Hulk Hogan, or he was the big star in Detroit wrestling.

I always kind of assumed the chic and Bruiser was ours Dusty and Flair, and I was surprised there was no mention of Bruiser at all in Dark Side of the Ring.

Did those guys not have any kind of rivalry, or was Dick not really prominent in Detroit?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

They had an incredible rivalry

in almost everywhere but Detroit.

And I think, did they do the match, what, maybe twice?

Maybe they did it more in Indianapolis than they did it in Detroit.

Here's the thing.

Everybody is right in this instance.

Your parents, et cetera, you.

If that was the early 80s that your parents were talking about them,

then let's say they're remembering from their childhood, which would have been mid to late 50s.

And if that's the case, then Dick the Bruiser was probably

the top box office attraction in Detroit during that period of time.

Bruiser, for

Barnett's Midwest Territory,

Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, and that era or that area, Bruiser was a bigger star, a bigger box office attraction.

The Sheik had not become a true, really main event level guy yet.

He was a star and he was a guy that, you know, was in demand, but Bruiser was literally a top 10 guy in the 50s

in the business, everywhere.

But then

when Barnett went to Australia and sold Sheik Detroit,

that's where the Sheik, now, besides the fact that he's a recognized talent, that he's wrestled in a number of different territories and people know him.

He's had the Chicago TV, et cetera.

Now

he's a promoter.

He's an NWA member.

He can book himself.

And that's when he booked himself over in Detroit from 1964 to,

say, 1978 was, you know, he was the talk of Detroit and the number one guy in the wrestling business there.

But that may have been after

your folks started paying attention or stopped paying attention.

So

at different times, they were both the top guy in Detroit, but but not at the same time.

And they never had a long-running feud because before the Sheik bought Detroit,

Sheik wasn't really in Bruiser's, Bruiser was working with Alex Karras and Bob Ellis and the top names.

And then afterwards, after 64, Bruiser was setting up his own company in Indiana.

working where he worked.

They seldom interacted with each other.

And they didn't really have

any big matches to speak of until the war was settled in Detroit and Indianapolis that we've talked about here on the program so often.

When they were running opposition to each other from 72 to 74, Bruiser tried to take Detroit because he had been the bigger star than the Chic.

And the Sheikh took Detroit.

Brewser ended up with Indiana, but Indiana,

besides Indianapolis,

didn't have the fucking markets the size of Michigan.

So he always wanted that back.

The Sheik defended Michigan.

The Sheik never ran Indianapolis.

He just defended Michigan.

Bruiser had to return to Indiana.

And that's when they had the biggest drawing matches of their career.

And they came in Indianapolis when they did

almost 16,000 people at Market Square Arena for the first one, and then had several more that I think topped 12,000.

But there was never any big

Bruiser versus Sheik program in Detroit.

And I think they only did

one or two of the matches after they settled the issue because

Detroit really didn't need the help

for the Sheik.

Because he won.

So Bruiser got a chance to draw a couple of sellouts in Indianapolis because the Sheik hadn't been there in years.

Does that answer the question?

What do you think would have happened if Bruiser won?

If Bruiser had won,

then,

well, kind of the same thing.

Both territories would have gone out of business because that's what happened with once the Sheik,

once they quit fighting

and Bobby Heenan got pissed off because Bruiser screwed him on the payoff when he managed Bruiser against the Sheik in that Market Square Arena sell-off, sell-off, sellout.

And Bruiser lost a lot of his

talent because he didn't have Detroit and a couple of other towns every month to keep guys that were big names in the territory.

And the Sheik quit bringing in

star after star to try to fight off the invaders and the cards got smaller than the people had been used to.

They were seeing 14 fucking matches with every goddamn major name in the NWA.

All of a sudden,

you know, in 1976, there's six matches on the card and Lou Klein's in the semifinal.

So

both territories went out of business.

Same thing would have still happened.

It would have just

happened in a different direction.

I find it so interesting just because when you think of Detroit, I guess the first name that you think of is the Chic.

Anyone who's not a wrestling fan, they must know the chic.

You never think of the fact that they would bring up Dick the Bruiser first.

Well, again, but you know, 40 years ago, if a 40-year-old person is remembering from their teenage years, they'd think about Bruiser before they'd think about Sheik.

And see, that's the thing is, depending on your, my God, there's a helicopter going over.

Can you hear?

I hear something.

I hear something.

Roaring.

I thought you were playing the organ.

No, it's some fucking thing flying over in the sky.

Depending on where you are and what your age group is,

you would remember different major wrestlers.

When I was a kid, my cousins, Larry and Richard, when I'd go up to Ant Lola's and watch wrestling, it was the Sheikh Show.

But when they were kids, because they were born in the late 40s, so they were remembering the Barnett Cincinnati Gardens days.

And they would think about Haystax Calhoun and Hans Schmidt and,

you know, the guys like that, that, because that was their frame of reference when they were cognizant of what was going on, even though they weren't wrestling fans.

Those were the major names and Dick the Bruiser.

So it just depends on not only what part of the country you were from, but what age group you were.

You bring up Haystacks Calhoun.

Of course, there was Haystax Muldoon.

also.

And it's kind of crazy, you think of the Pfeffer people, you don't always think of them as working like the big shows, but no, this guy was like everywhere the Haystacks Calhoun was for a while.

Where do you stand on the debate?

Haystack versus Haystacks.

I always liked Haystacks because it just

sounded better.

And I think that

that's what it kind of morphed into because first it was Country Boy Calhoun.

And then it was Haystack Calhoun.

And then a lot of people started doing Haystacks because what the boys called him, him

behind his back, they called him a variety of things, but what he was called in the locker room was stacks.

So a lot of times, the promoters and the boys, they just ran with that and it became the terminology.

And that's where that came from.

He got pluralized.

But technically, I guess it should be just a single.

It should be a single haystack because he was only a single giant.

round mound of shit.

Was haystacks like a common thing for,

for lack of a a better term, fat country boys?

Or was it

invented as a name for someone for him, was it?

No, it wasn't unheard of.

It wasn't, you know, like everybody was called Haystack, but it wasn't unheard of.

But that was because country boy Calhoun was just kind of generic.

And so then they came up with Haystack Calhoun.

But and again,

you know, his business kind of got exposed when the Maguire twins came along.

And

they made Haystack Calhoun look like Ric Flair.

Well, yeah, and you talked about Haystack Muldoon, but also remember Man Mountain Mike?

It was when Haystack Calhoun was getting a little up there in years.

And I guess he quit probably around 78, 79.

I saw him live in 77 for the only time.

But Man Mountain Mike came along and he was a little bit younger, but he was like the West Coast version of Haystacks because Haystacks would work a lot for the chic.

And on the eastern part of the country, and Man Mountain Mike would be the West Coast

Haystacks Calhoun.

But when the McGuire twins came along,

it kind of killed the gimmick because Calhoun legitimately probably wasn't 500 pounds.

He was always billed at 601.

He was probably like 470, 480.

And back in those days, you didn't see anybody even that big.

But when the Maguires came along

and they were billed, and in the Guinness Book of World Records, we're 640 and 660.

They were twice as fucking fat as Calhoun.

And so you're like,

even when I was a kid, when I was 13, I'm going, wait a minute, there's no way that those two are only fucking 50 pounds heavier than that guy.

So it kind of,

and Calhoun could do

like three or four things, which was about two or three more than the Maguires could do.

And he could get in the ring without having to take the bottom rope off.

So he had that going for him.

You know, that's they, the only way they'd get the McGuire's in the ring, they had to take the bottom rope off.

I didn't know that.

No.

I saw them live four times, and that's the only way they ever, they've, they would

unscrew one of the bottom turnbuckles, and then they'd roll in under the rope and then they'd put the turnbuckle back on.

That's crazy.

I mean, we've seen some bad people get in the ring.

What was their problem?

Was it

no, you, no, no, there's nobody walking around that you see in public that was as

unnaturally obese as the McGuire twins.

And I mean, they got up six, four, eight, even Yoko.

Yeah, think about this.

Remember when Yoko was 800 pounds, he didn't look

like the McGuire twins because

they were even shorter than Yoko, but plus, it was all

flab.

Their bellies hung past their knees.

It was

just everywhere.

Their arms were so T-Rex in relation to their body that they couldn't hardly reach out and do anything.

It was very disturbing when you really think about it.

And

yeah,

I mean, maybe on some other rings, maybe that used ropes instead of cables or whatever, but I never saw them be able to get in the ring where they didn't have to roll under the goddamn second rope after they took the bottom rope off.

Because they started

at 640 and 660, but they got up in the Guinness

World Record Book to, I believe, like 740 and 760 before

the one had the surgery, one died young, and one had the surgery.

And that photo of them on the motorcycle, is that one of the most famous photos of a professional wrestler ever?

Oh, yeah.

And they sold them at the matches, too, a variety of different poses of them on the mini-bikes.

But that was kind of the

early version of, and I mean, this is morbid to say this, but the, you know, the motorized wheelchairs and the scooters they've got now for the fat people at Walmart.

It was a gimmick they did that they rode the motorbikes or the mini bikes for publicity, but also they couldn't walk very far.

So in a lot of cases, they had to ride them to get around anyway.

And then when they were traveling to territories,

they had a car that was customized where I believe they took the front bench seat out and extended the pedals and the steering wheel somewhat where they could sit in the back seat and still operate it.

But a lot of times they'd have to get rides with guys in vans or whatever.

And

when they went to Japan, where they were just,

you know, the people went crazy over them seeing these, oh my God, look at these giant Americans.

Orca, orca.

Yeah.

But, you know, it was, it was traveling was hard on them.

And then they married twin sisters that weighed 100 pounds apiece.

See, that's a gimmick.

Come on.

I mean, how could that happen?

Well, I mean,

it's not like they were making millions of dollars.

I don't know how they would have talked these girls into going along with that gimmick, but it went, that it actually happened.

They were from North Carolina.

They're very nice boys, very good old country boys, but boy, howdy.

When we circle back to Country Boy Calhoun to end this,

where does Haystack Calhoun or Haystacks Calhoun rank for you on the list of all-time wrestling names?

It's one of the classics.

You've got Gorilla Monsoon, Bobo Brazil, Haystack Calhoun.

You know,

those names resonated with people when they saw them in newspaper ads or when they heard them on television or saw him on a poster.

You can remember names like that, and they were around so long, they built up such a fan base that,

you know, those were classic names.

That's why I always say the name test is more than just a gimmick.

If you don't have the right name in any kind of show business, much less wrestling,

then that can affect, you know, your career.

And if you've got a name that resonates with people, they remember, they get a kick out of, whatever, that could help you.

And Killer Kowowski.

There's, they're talking about killer kowowski on a seinfeld episode from 1997

because of the and his move and and the stomach claw yeah and the stomach claw

but you would remember if you know oh gosh um

i remember lorenzo parenti had that wonderful move no it's not the same thing

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