Episode 422

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Speaker 27 Hello again, friends.

Speaker 32 And you are our friends. I'm screaming again.
Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornette's drive-thru.

Speaker 33 Bellowing.

Speaker 32 I'm your host, the great Brian West. We're going to have fun today.

Speaker 32 The random conversation and topics continues onto the drive-thru here this week. No reviews.
It's a wonderful day with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornette, Mr. Jim Cornet.

Speaker 33 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 33 You Basically, what happened there is you just screwed it up completely about three seconds in. And rather than admitting it and starting again,

Speaker 33 you decided to do a take on it. And it sounded like a Musak version of a drunk doing a piano solo from a Billy Joel album.

Speaker 32 Well, first of all, that's my sound. And I don't really think you are in any position to criticize that specific sound, which hasn't taken off yet, but it's early in the day.

Speaker 33 It's early in the century. And

Speaker 32 I played everything I intended to. I played everything the way I intended to.
Well, how I intended to.

Speaker 33 That's an admission, then, that should be admissible in court. You just admitted that you did everything you intended to do.
I rest my case. And why are you imputing my musical integrity?

Speaker 33 When I'm a musical genius,

Speaker 33 I bellow forth the octaves and things on a regular basis here on the program. People have put my pearly tones to

Speaker 33 the rap music and the

Speaker 33 stuff the kids listen to out there on the interweb.

Speaker 32 You found octaves that Mariah Carey couldn't find. Some of your stuff.

Speaker 33 Well, see there,

Speaker 33 I was looking in a different place.

Speaker 32 More people hate me.

Speaker 32 More people hate Mussolini today than back then because of you just saying his name or singing his name.

Speaker 33 Saying his thing, singing and saying it. I'm I'm singing his praises.

Speaker 33 But I'll have you know that

Speaker 33 I'm a wonderful cunning linguist there when it comes to its interpretation. It's like Sinatra.

Speaker 33 He wasn't a classical stylist. It was all about his interpretation.
My interpretation

Speaker 33 is what

Speaker 33 drives this train here, baby.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I'm just, I'm not happy to begin with, now, especially after that assault on my eardrums that you played here. But

Speaker 33 again, the weather is not cooperating, Brian. I saw the stupidest thing that I've seen in a week or two that a human being has done this morning.
And I want to relate this to you.

Speaker 33 And it ties into the weather.

Speaker 33 Okay.

Speaker 33 A week ago.

Speaker 33 We had five inches of snow on like Monday, December the fucking second or whatever it was, right?

Speaker 33 And that is is the record amount of snowfall. I mentioned this on the program that we did right afterwards for that date in Louisville, because we don't get snow this year.

Speaker 33 The average temperature is supposed to be 48, 49 degrees, right? So I had, so

Speaker 33 that's like four and a half inches. The five inches of snow was four and a half inches above the average snowfall we're supposed to get for this time of year.

Speaker 33 Have you noticed these averages are flopping these days? Whatever that, well, the averages, well, we're way off.

Speaker 33 Anyway,

Speaker 33 so then because it was so cold all week, it didn't get above freezing.

Speaker 33 It took until six days later the following Sunday afternoon for all the snow to melt off of my yard here because we're still waiting to do the last cleanup from the leaves and everything, I believe I mentioned.

Speaker 33 Because of that big giant red oak tree on my neighbor's property, just it's still got leaves on it.

Speaker 33 anyway

Speaker 33 so it finally melted off on sunday afternoon and i thought well my my yard guys can get over this week and guess what it did on monday it snowed again another like inch and a half or whatever here just enough to cover everything back up again

Speaker 33 and what the fuck and now we're like six inches above our average of snow.

Speaker 33 And they say it's going to, it's going to warm up for the next day or so then rain and then turn really cold and it's gonna be down in the single digits or the teens in the outlying areas but nevertheless this morning where there is still snow

Speaker 33 not deep but snow of some description on all of the the the grass and the and the the everywhere right you can see the tall grass poking up through it, that kind of snow, but it's snow on 85, 90% of the the area

Speaker 33 guess who pulled up in my neighbor's yard this morning to do his final leaf cleanup

Speaker 33 landon my old landscaping idiot that i fired for being an idiot and not doing my leaves right and banished him a couple years ago he still does the guy next to me and the woman on the other side of me

Speaker 33 And he's, and they actually got

Speaker 33 their lawn, the riding mowers off the trailer. And the one guy drove from his driveway down past my fucking place on the road, his stand-up mower to the neighbor ladies and started in.

Speaker 33 I've never seen anybody run a lawnmower over snow covered ground before.

Speaker 32 I've never seen that.

Speaker 32 They started doing this.

Speaker 33 They started doing.

Speaker 33 I opened the garage door about 8:30, no, quarter to nine this morning to let Bernie Sanders and his friend out, right?

Speaker 33 And I look, and there's his trailer sitting there, and they're just starting to unload the stuff. And I heard them and I saw the mowers going up and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 And about 45 minutes later, and believe me, if they do both of these properties, they would be here for normally they would be here for three hours to do both of them together.

Speaker 33 45 minutes later, they're loading their shit back up on the trailer trailer and driving the off

Speaker 33 i don't know what the they thought they were doing

Speaker 33 but you couldn't cut it because and you couldn't do the leaves because there was snow on there he's running the lawnmower over like a thin three-quarter inch inch coating of snow on the ground see i almost wish you didn't fire him back then just so you could fire him now just so you can tell this story and it ends with i said what the fuck are you doing and you fired him so now i know that he's he's also another of his services is he's can mulch your snow for you

Speaker 32 the unexpected return of landon to the show

Speaker 33 landon's back baby and and 10 points stupider so i guess they're going to come back at some point to finish the job that

Speaker 33 i didn't i didn't ask him

Speaker 33 but uh i bet they probably will yes and they're at some point i don't know what they did

Speaker 33 They did,

Speaker 33 and I heard it mowing, and then boom, and they're back up and gone.

Speaker 32 Are either of these two neighbors familiar with your situation with Landon and how fed up you were and that you fired him?

Speaker 33 Um,

Speaker 33 I well, I've told the neighbor lady,

Speaker 33 and the guy on the other side of me is it was actually the way that I found Landon to begin with.

Speaker 33 So, he's

Speaker 33 he's his responsibility. So, I have a feeling that he probably knows that we had a parting, but I haven't explained it to him from my standpoint yet.

Speaker 32 Well, we'll see what happens. Hopefully we can get another landing update before the end of the year.
That'd be lovely.

Speaker 33 I'll let you know if he comes.

Speaker 33 Here's the thing.

Speaker 33 I don't know if we're going to get uncovered. or not enough to do that.
It's highly vexing. My guys.

Speaker 32 I've never stopped him before.

Speaker 33 Well, no, my guys are on standby, but they're not going to come and mulch my snow.

Speaker 33 They're going to wait till if it gets that warm, a non-freezing day with no snow on the ground is what we're looking for.

Speaker 33 And as I, did I mention it's supposed to be like 49 fucking degrees at this time of year? This is, I don't like this.

Speaker 32 Can you mulch my snow?

Speaker 33 That should be some kind of weird sexual practice. Hey, baby, you want to mulch my snow? Robert F.

Speaker 32 Kennedy was seen in a test. Oh,

Speaker 33 no you've ruined it for me now

Speaker 33 and trying to have

Speaker 32 sex with a goddamn dried up suitcase well jim uh no one's asking you to do that but what people are asking you to do is fulfill orders at cornets collectibles from jimcornet.com what's going on Fortunately, not as many people are asking as have been.

Speaker 33 We have battled our way back. Hapor Hotchkiss

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He's battling through it.

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We're dealing with one of these agencies. And you're probably not going to hear this, you out there in podcast land, the cult of Cornet,

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Speaker 33 Brian, a physical possibility of turnaround time between when can we get the order, when can my eyes see it, my hand sign it, me get it to him, me stick an envelope or a label on it, mail it. And

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Speaker 33 It's going to be a whole line like that.

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Speaker 32 Well, Jim, even though we have no reviews, we have a ton of topics to hit and we have a lot of questions. So we're gonna really pack this show with a lot of stuff.

Speaker 32 And we're gonna start with some rather sad news. Someone who you've spoken with on the show in the past, Steve Regal, Mr.
Electricity, word came out over the weekend.

Speaker 32 I saw it on Facebook that he had passed away apparently a little while back and word didn't get out. Let's talk a little bit about Steve Regal.

Speaker 33 Well, and

Speaker 33 I'm so

Speaker 33 in the dark still about how the word didn't get out, but we'll talk about that in a minute. And just for the sake of it at the top here,

Speaker 33 not the Steve Regal that is now William Regal

Speaker 33 that competed early in his career with William Regal, WWE, everybody knows.

Speaker 33 But he wrestled as Steve Regal early in his career, but that was after the Steve Regal that we're talking about now, who

Speaker 33 his real name was legitimately Steven Regal.

Speaker 33 It was perfect.

Speaker 33 It was perfect for a fucking wrestler, right?

Speaker 33 But Steve Regal,

Speaker 33 who, as you mentioned, had been here

Speaker 33 on the show way back. We figured it out.
It's seven years

Speaker 33 since that spot had been done. And we're working on putting that up on the YouTube channel so that...

Speaker 33 people can hear it. But instead, just a great guy overall, I thought.
And I I was really sad to hear this. I didn't know,

Speaker 33 you know,

Speaker 33 everybody says, I didn't know he was sick, but I didn't know anything was wrong. I had last heard from him.

Speaker 33 We would every once in a while send Twitter messages or whatever the kids call them back and forth. And

Speaker 33 I get the idea Steve wasn't any, he was probably a little more conversant in the technology than I was, but like he somehow texted a Happy New Year to me this past January, but it went to the order's email from his phone number.

Speaker 33 I don't know how that even worked.

Speaker 33 But he was famous at first and then later on kind of outgrew the territory and became a name on his own. But he was famous at first for being Wilbur Snyder's son-in-law.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 that's what, you know, his career started there in the Indiana Territory with Bruiser and Snyder because,

Speaker 33 and oh, gosh, I can't remember Snyder's daughter's name. And again, I haven't listened to the conversation we had that probably will cover everything in the past eight years.
But

Speaker 33 Steve saw the lifestyle, right? And

Speaker 33 he looked perfect for a babyface wrestler, especially at the time.

Speaker 33 They needed one bad in Indiana, a young babyface.

Speaker 33 He was tall. he was athletic, he had a good, he had a surfer body, he had muscles, but it wasn't like he wasn't a bodybuilder type, but looked great for the era, the long blonde hair, right?

Speaker 33 And had personality.

Speaker 33 And so he did everything from driving their ring truck to, you know, working to the

Speaker 33 county fairs they do in the summer. And

Speaker 33 as Minneker would say,

Speaker 33 All-Star Championship Wrestling coming to Lagudi.

Speaker 33 That was a great education.

Speaker 33 And I guess off the top of my head, I'm going to say that was probably

Speaker 33 1977-ish

Speaker 33 because I was seeing the TV at the time.

Speaker 33 And he was naturally paired with

Speaker 33 Spike Huber, who was Bruiser's son-in-law, that was starting to get into business at approximately the same time. One or the other may have been,

Speaker 33 you know, a year in front of the other, but

Speaker 33 that was the problem. And Brian, we just talked about Indianapolis wrestling on, was it last week's program? Yes,

Speaker 33 or the experience last week where

Speaker 33 the territory was aging out and dying, and everybody was old. That was 1981.
We were talking about

Speaker 33 in 77, the war with the Sheik

Speaker 33 had been over, and both territories downsized. And

Speaker 33 Bruiser stuck with all the same guys.

Speaker 33 And by the late 70s, Moose Cholak, I think this is a point where,

Speaker 33 was he driving a truck or a bus at one point in Chicago?

Speaker 33 The guys had other jobs, a lot of them,

Speaker 33 and lived in either the Chicago or Indianapolis area.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 they were all older. One of the, I swear to God, and I didn't know the significance of this until afterwards.
Do you know the name Miguel Blackie Guzman? Of course. The original.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 From where?

Speaker 32 From where do I know the name or where is he from?

Speaker 33 Yeah, no, from where do you know the name?

Speaker 32 Mostly Texas.

Speaker 33 But he was also a lucha legend and contemporary of El Santo. Did you know that?

Speaker 32 Who am I thinking of?

Speaker 32 Now that who is El Santo's brother that i'm thinking of

Speaker 33 well i don't know now we've gone down a different i thought it was black i thought it was him actually as i was thinking about it so hold on well okay look it up but the point i was gonna make is miguel blackie guzman who was one of the legends of lucha libre in the 50s was an underneath guy living in indianapolis working preliminaries for bruiser in the 70s yeah he's uh el santo's brother is well there there you go.

Speaker 32 And that's Elijah Dosanto's nephew, and there's a whole bunch of other wrestlers we've never heard of in the family, too.

Speaker 33 But nevertheless,

Speaker 33 think at that time, he had to be in his late 50s.

Speaker 33 Asanto retired in the early 80s when he was in his 60s, right?

Speaker 33 Oh, Bobo Brazil was so old. I'm just going down the little Wilbur snow.
All the guys were old or looked old. And here came Steve Regal and Spike Huber.

Speaker 33 And they never

Speaker 33 they featured them on television and they put them in upper upper card matches, but

Speaker 33 they never put them in the main event except if Spike was teaming with Bruiser.

Speaker 33 And the thing is, Spike,

Speaker 33 a wonderful young man,

Speaker 33 but he was not the,

Speaker 33 he had the bodybuilder physique, but he also had kind of a bodybuilder brain. He was not the personality Steve Way.
He wasn't as quick and as glib

Speaker 33 and as intelligent as Steve Regal was. And he wasn't as natural in the ring with his work.
And so

Speaker 33 Spike ended up, except for the time that

Speaker 33 he and Steve came to Memphis as a tag team when Jarrett and Bruiser's territory were working together.

Speaker 33 Spike never read, and he went to st louis because bruiser you know sam mushnick central states were all friends he was my son-in-law

Speaker 33 i don't think spike ever worked anywhere else did he can you remember

Speaker 32 after 83 or 84

Speaker 33 i mean even before that from you know no not really not really so that's the steve

Speaker 33 That's where I met him in 79. He came to Memphis.
He got out of there early early because, again, he was so athletic and he was so good in the ring and he looked great for the girls, right?

Speaker 33 And by 1979,

Speaker 33 give you an example, Louisville is 100 miles from Indianapolis.

Speaker 33 The four shows per month in Louisville together would draw many more fans.

Speaker 33 than Bruiser's entire month schedule anywhere, including Indianapolis for the previous month.

Speaker 33 So there was,

Speaker 33 I think, and I'm trying to remember, we probably covered it again in the discussion

Speaker 33 that we had, but

Speaker 33 basically Steve had the capability to go out and do more. And he got booked in Memphis and They used him upper babyface, you know, upper mid-card

Speaker 33 or, you know, right underneath. They teamed him with Jimmy Valion when Jimmy was hottest babyface.

Speaker 33 And he got over, sold pictures great.

Speaker 33 And then, you know, he also worked in Georgia for a while around that time.

Speaker 33 And then also did a run in Portland. He was in various places and starting to be known.

Speaker 33 And then I, again,

Speaker 33 he came back home in 82. So he had that run in Indy with him and Spike that ended up them coming to memphis again

Speaker 33 and that was the thing

Speaker 33 i don't know of what period of time i can't quote it date by date but spike met a girl in memphis and that's what up his marriage to bruiser's daughter so and his career And his career, which is why after what, 1985, Spike,

Speaker 33 you know, bye-bye.

Speaker 33 But again, you know, when you think about it, again, if I'm saying he was, he was probably still a haul in the ring in 76. So

Speaker 33 if Steve Regal had started in, say, 77 and been in the business by 82, five years,

Speaker 33 he's just really, he was always good, the drop kick.

Speaker 33 And the fucking babyface fire on the comebacks and just the athleticism, his basics, everything was good.

Speaker 33 When you shot him off turnbuckle to turnbuckle, his feet would leave the ring in the middle of the ring and he'd turn in mid-air and take that thing with his feet in the air just amazing but he was smart to the business too and had a good promo

Speaker 33 so that

Speaker 33 i guess what was the run in it the awa oh him and jimmy

Speaker 33 well yeah but it 84 is what i'm i'm gonna say right

Speaker 32 85 because

Speaker 33 Well, they may have started late 84 for any nitpickers out there.

Speaker 33 But Steve had been a babyface all of his career. And again, as I say, he was great at it and,

Speaker 33 you know, sold a lot of pictures in Memphis.

Speaker 33 But switching heel with the blonde hair again, the body, him and gorgeous Jimmy in the sequins, it fit. That was a great fucking

Speaker 33 spot for him, too, to where five years into a guy's career, he switched heel. Now he's at the top tag team in a major territory.

Speaker 33 And one would think,

Speaker 33 you know, he's still young. And so he's got decades left, right?

Speaker 33 And I mean,

Speaker 33 I could see if, in a perfect world, Nick Bockwinkle and Steve Regal at a singles program,

Speaker 33 if, you know, if the AWA hadn't collapsed, would have been

Speaker 33 sweet, right?

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 instead, as we, you know, mentioned before,

Speaker 33 with everybody bailing out of the AWA by the time it was kind of

Speaker 33 and

Speaker 33 everybody's coming to either Crockett or going to the WWF, remember Steve came to

Speaker 33 Crockett in 80,

Speaker 33 I guess, 86 and spent the better part of a year.

Speaker 33 And somebody had even tweeted when I was doing the summer bash TVs where I was in what Dusty,

Speaker 33 what did me wear for my summer outfit. I got the fucking goddamn hat like Orson Welles in the fucking,

Speaker 33 you know, South America movie or whatever the fuck, and the flowery shirts and Hawaiian shit and everything.

Speaker 33 And somebody tweeted an interview that I hadn't even thought of in years that we were doing with Jimmy and Steve.

Speaker 33 But they used Jimmy more

Speaker 33 as a as the, you know, single heel that was featured. And Steve got kind of shuffled in the middle at that point.
And

Speaker 33 that was just bad timing because Crockett was so overloaded with everybody that

Speaker 33 he couldn't pop his head up. And then

Speaker 33 everything went to, he's another one of the guys that had major territory still existed.

Speaker 33 He was really just starting to take off as far as a commodity, and he

Speaker 33 there was no place left to go.

Speaker 32 Good in the ring?

Speaker 33 Fantastic. That's a it.

Speaker 33 If you had a guy like Steve Regal right now,

Speaker 33 when, and I'm not saying when he, when he was, let's say, 27 years old or 28 years old or whatever the fuck, when that Steve Regal, if you had him right now,

Speaker 33 he would have

Speaker 33 better basics and more athleticism. He was a little over six feet tall.
He was lean, is why he was like 220 pounds. But again, surfer fucking body and the great leaping drop kicks.

Speaker 33 And he wouldn't have been a goddamn gymnast, but his work would be in the top

Speaker 33 just technical in-ring work from I'm not talking holes,

Speaker 33 punches and timing and et cetera, would be in the top 15 or 20% today.

Speaker 33 And I mean, if anybody wants to go and look at, you know, anything on YouTube,

Speaker 33 unless it's anything from Bruiser's territory to him with a fucking senior citizen AARP recipient, I don't, you know,

Speaker 33 but look at his stuff in the AWA or in Crockett. He had good matches with Denny Brown, for fuck's sake.
Poor little pudge ball.

Speaker 32 An answer to the trivia question, you know, who defeated the Road Warriors for the AWA tag titles?

Speaker 33 Yes. And that was part of the heat also.

Speaker 33 That if Vern's territory hadn't been flummoxing at that point, that Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regal at a total combined weight of 430 pounds, the two pretty boys in the sequins with the girl precious and the blah, blah, blah,

Speaker 33 beat the Road Warriors because to go to Crockett, they had to drop fucking

Speaker 33 Vern's belts on the way, which was an agreement of Vern and Crockett that was enforced. So

Speaker 33 that was part of the heat that the little pretty boys beat the, you know.

Speaker 32 And I don't know too much about this.

Speaker 32 I'd have to go back and look at what I have, but according to this, Scott Hall and Kurt Hennig won the tag titles on January 18th, 1986, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in a phantom match, which was said to have occurred to cover for Regal leaving the company.

Speaker 32 Hostiles champion.

Speaker 32 That's interesting.

Speaker 33 Well, and but was he the first?

Speaker 32 Was he the first of the AWA champions to walk out of the company?

Speaker 32 Not the last.

Speaker 33 Well, no, wait a minute. I'm trying.
Did Garvin go at the same time or did Garvin stick around? Because Garvin was, I was in working for Crockett with Garvin in January of 1986. Was I not?

Speaker 32 Definitely 86. I just don't remember when he got there.

Speaker 33 Damn it. See, it's not my week to watch him.

Speaker 32 We'll see what more we can find out about that.

Speaker 33 We'll dig into this mystery.

Speaker 32 Well, you said the interview, the conversation you had with Steve Riggle was on the show in 2018. So it's available, of course, to the patrons at patreon.com slash cornet.

Speaker 32 But we're going to try to get that interview up on the YouTube channel in the coming days. So stay tuned for that.

Speaker 33 But that's the thing is, I guess I want to make the point is besides the fact that he was a nice guy, bright guy, and wasn't,

Speaker 33 again, wasn't destitute after he left the business. There's not going to be a dark side of the ring.
You know, he was fine. He was living in Florida.
And I think somebody, see, this is the thing.

Speaker 33 Oh, I wanted to bring this up. Nobody knew he died in July.

Speaker 33 And I don't know how,

Speaker 33 again, I, you know, hadn't grilled him in the past few years on what is, you know, who's your immediate family to contact in case of emergency. We hadn't been in contact like that.

Speaker 33 But with all these other obscure kind of people

Speaker 33 that we get these reports on, I don't know how this, and I'm still waiting, somebody tell me how that this may have gone unreported for six months or whatever.

Speaker 33 Apparently, I understand it may have been a heart issue is all that I know.

Speaker 33 But I just hate to hear it because, again, he was not like,

Speaker 33 okay, wrestling is over. Now I'm going to have to goddamn

Speaker 33 live a shiftless life for the rest of my life and live on past glory. He moved on from it.

Speaker 33 But it's another one of those guys that really was just starting to be used in his early 30s, I believe at that time, and in what, 1984, five.

Speaker 33 Just starting to get used as a great performer in the ring, has shown now he's got personality.

Speaker 33 And if the system had continued another

Speaker 33 five years, he was timed perfectly to be a big star in one of the other of the companies

Speaker 33 for you know

Speaker 33 quite a while. But we lost a lot of talent when all that went to shit.

Speaker 33 So, I hate to uh, I hate to hear about this anyway, though. He was a very, very nice guy, very, very quick.

Speaker 32 You know, it's interesting. This has happened a few times recently where

Speaker 32 a wrestler died, and we didn't find out until after the fact. I think it was Rene Goulet,

Speaker 32 Steve Reek, Bob Ellis, Bob Ellis, that's the extreme example. That was like six years ago.
Bob Ellis.

Speaker 33 Yeah, kind of Uncle Bob. He died 10 years ago.
What the hell are you talking about? He's not 96. He's fucking dead.

Speaker 32 You know, it seems like if you don't work the circuit and still do conventions and stuff, it's almost like you vanish if anything happens. No one's paying attention.

Speaker 32 We heard something a few months ago. And I'll put it out there just in case it's true, in case someone has more information.

Speaker 32 But on the topic of people passing and no one knowing or no one hearing and no one talking about it and this person not being around, we heard something about sunshine passing.

Speaker 32 And again, it was another one of these things where look who died a year ago or whatever it was.

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 33 I read.

Speaker 33 Now people are going to think that that heathen he doesn't remember. Did we verify that? Was that

Speaker 33 actually happened?

Speaker 32 It was in an area where we thought she may have lived. It was a woman approximately the age of what we thought Sunshine would be.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 it was the name.

Speaker 33 The fingerprints were burned off with carbolic acid.

Speaker 32 You see, the walking on Sunshine manager doesn't want to stop now. He still has more things to say.

Speaker 33 We had fun. Hey, you know what? That was one of her single biggest payoffs that night, I bet you.

Speaker 33 That she walked on me in the Tarrant County Convention Center because that was the biggest payoff I got the whole goddamn.

Speaker 33 We were in the tag team title match at Texas Stadium, and that was a single $1,000 from those cheap bastards.

Speaker 32 Hey, I don't even know if you would know the answer to this, but how were valets paid in world-class like 83, 84, 85?

Speaker 32 Was it like a manager getting paid, or was it different if it was, you know, the guy's wife or something?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 I can tell you what I know, and there's obviously going to be differences.

Speaker 33 When we first got there, me and Bobby and Dennis, Midnight Express,

Speaker 33 okay, we were, as we've told the story, so I'll,

Speaker 33 we were going there at the behest of Bill Watts, who wanted us to be there and work for Fritz, and they were going to change talented, etc.

Speaker 33 So instead of going to work for Crockett, we go there. And this is something actually I hadn't thought of in a while until you brought it up specifically.

Speaker 33 We get our checks the first week,

Speaker 33 and I don't remember what I got, but it wasn't the same as what Bobby and Dennis got.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I went to ask about it, and they said, Well, you're their manager. I said,

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 apparently, they were not used to paying the manager

Speaker 33 as much as they paid one of the boys, the guy that he's managing, unless that guy was also wrestling on the fucking card or some other goddamn deal.

Speaker 33 Because remember, they only kept 12 fucking people, right?

Speaker 32 Or if it was the booker, Gary Hart was the top manager and the booker for a long time. Yes.

Speaker 33 So he, you know, that was a separate fucking.

Speaker 33 And we said, oh, no, control, oh, contrere, Monfray.

Speaker 33 No, we're out of hair. And let no, because we remember we'd already given our notice the ones to go to Charlotte.
And then fucking Watts talked us out of it. No, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 So they can bobby and dennis to them said he has been getting because that was what watts did from day one

Speaker 33 we each of the three of us got the same thing whatever they just split what the team would get up three different ways basically like promoters do it but we all got the same payoff for you know

Speaker 33 In many cases, I was going through the most fucking danger of the process.

Speaker 33 And so, no, he gets the same thing. And they, all right.

Speaker 33 And I mean, what was it going to be? And some of those payoffs we got: $85. What was it going to be? $15 difference.

Speaker 33 They paid Dennis Condry one night at a spot show for working twice in the single match, the captain's match of the tag team match, and then the tag team match with the Fantastics.

Speaker 33 He got a $63 payoff.

Speaker 33 $63, the minimum was 50,

Speaker 33 right?

Speaker 33 You're going to get that if you show up and fart in the ring.

Speaker 33 And there's, and there's just two people there, right? That's the guarantee is $50.

Speaker 33 But at this sparsely populated fucking spot show,

Speaker 33 for working twice, he got $63. He looked at it and said, like they shaved it down to the fucking nub.

Speaker 33 That's the most we can give this son of a

Speaker 32 Give him $13 for that extra match.

Speaker 32 But again, that's managers. And of course, Dallas had Gary Hart.
They had Scan Dirac bar. They had you.
But the valets really started in 83.

Speaker 32 And, you know, by 85, they were, I mean, well, even before then, I was going to say they're in matches and they're doing things, but it was a big deal on the show where they ever paid like it.

Speaker 33 That's, I don't know. And in some cases, it may have been an individual thing because Jimmy Garvin with Sunshine, it was probably like, you know, give her a manager payoff or whatever.

Speaker 33 And they didn't know she was going to become a phenomenon.

Speaker 33 With Precious, that's his wife. And

Speaker 33 maybe they negotiated something because they're not, Jimmy Garvin was in main events with Chris Adams and et cetera. They're not going to give

Speaker 33 Precious, his valet or manager.

Speaker 33 the same as, you know, as the single guys would get in the featured fucking main event of Goddamn Things.

Speaker 33 And it wasn't truthfully and honestly like Precious added to the gimmick, but she was neither his primary mouthpiece as a manager to talk for him or

Speaker 33 really attracting any of the physically violent heat.

Speaker 33 And it was Gary Hart was the booker.

Speaker 33 So as a manager, he would get obviously paid more than a lot of the boys on the car.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 it was Stella May, they probably, you know, I don't know what the fuck the deal they made with her, she was a year later working at the fucking dry cleaners in the streets.

Speaker 33 I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 33 But I can tell you that if any of the girls wrestled, like if it was Sunshine and

Speaker 32 Garvin and Sunshine and Missy ended up working together, I believe.

Speaker 33 Okay, well, then, and Missy could probably address this more eloquently than I have, have, you know, from her standpoint. But if the girls wrestled in like a mixtag or match on the card,

Speaker 33 I believe they got whatever payoff

Speaker 33 that the wrestlers in that spot on the card would get, whether it was legitimate or not from the fucking promoter. I've just told you about a $63 payoff one of the guys got.

Speaker 33 But they would be paid like a wrestler if they actually had a match on the card, I think.

Speaker 32 Yeah, well, we'll see. If anyone knows anything about Sunshine, Valerie French, let us know.
Again,

Speaker 32 we're not sure, but it seemed like it may be, but we don't know. We don't know what's going on.

Speaker 33 Maybe she just, again, you know, she just wanted to disappear and lead a happy life crocheting somewhere.

Speaker 32 I called Stella May French and she yelled at me and told me to get out of show business. So that's

Speaker 32 kept so well.

Speaker 1 This isn't just a game.

Speaker 2 It's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 32 Jim, on the topic of things in the news, we should get to this because we have heard from some listeners. Not a terrible amount to be quite honest with you

Speaker 32 who wanted to know what you thought about recent comments i guess some pro some con

Speaker 32 from vince russo and he just did an interview with ariel helwani where of course you were brought up and you know by the way ariel should change his name

Speaker 33 and get a show business name because it's it's it's hard it's hard for some people to pronounce well vince russo was on there known for his wonderful pronunciation of things and

Speaker 32 of course you were brought up because that's one of the main things people think about when they think about vince russo is you

Speaker 32 now wait a minute well i don't mean that in a in a negative way to you i just mean people know what you think of him you've been very vocal about it and a lot of other people feel the same way

Speaker 32 this time he

Speaker 32 called you names he called you a goof

Speaker 32 called you're a goof and you're just jealous of him and wait but I was a genius the previous week.

Speaker 33 See, that's it.

Speaker 32 He did some interview, I think, somewhere else on YouTube where he said

Speaker 32 nothing but nice things.

Speaker 33 That's the thing.

Speaker 33 Here's the thing is for a couple weeks now, you know, he's got a new misadventure, which we laughed about here on a program a month or two ago. We heard about it.
We'll

Speaker 33 get back to that.

Speaker 33 But he's again in desperate attempts to get publicity for what he believes is going to unleash his wisdom and genius upon the cinematic world

Speaker 33 and revolutionize wrestling.

Speaker 33 He's grasping at straws to get people to listen to him again.

Speaker 33 And a month or so ago, whatever it was, we laughed about his latest misadventure because it was

Speaker 33 comedic gold, and so apropos to the whole thing that here he's a 65-year-old man that's been trying to get a job in a business that he had a moment of glory in 30 years ago to the point where he's wearing a sign on the side of the road saying we'll book for food.

Speaker 33 And he's cold,

Speaker 33 called and emailed networks, and tried to buddy up to former bosses and complained publicly that it's all a bunch of shit and only I know the way.

Speaker 33 And I will do it for anyone that takes advantage of it.

Speaker 33 And nobody does.

Speaker 33 And that he is legitimately campaigned on the theory. Do you remember Oral Roberts, Brian?

Speaker 33 Kids, there was a televangelist named Oral Roberts back in the 80s, I swear to God, a preacher named Oral, it wrote itself.

Speaker 33 And he actually gave a deadlad one time, he said, if we don't raise X amount of dollars for this ministry, God is going to call me home.

Speaker 33 He actually told his people, if you don't send in money, God's going to kill me.

Speaker 33 And they did, and he didn't. And that's what Russo has been doing.
He's been, I'm going to retire and quit watching wrestling.

Speaker 33 It didn't on such and such date. How many times have we heard that? It's like, get me now

Speaker 33 before I jump off this cliff.

Speaker 33 And nobody's throwing a net over him.

Speaker 33 The mental hospital ought to be throwing a net over him.

Speaker 33 And now it's somewhat apropos that he's a 65-year-old man that's been begging for a job in his former glory business of 30 years ago that has now resorted to working for a promotion run by literal clowns.

Speaker 33 Actual

Speaker 33 people who self-identify as clowns. Are the clowns here? Yes, we are.

Speaker 33 And we dress like them,

Speaker 33 act like them, and present wrestling like them.

Speaker 33 And into the clown show walks

Speaker 33 my old friend.

Speaker 32 and for the record it's not just working there we were told uh the release was that he's an investor there as well well yeah yeah and blow me

Speaker 33 he is again he's the cinematic director for whatever their fucking vision is but nevertheless

Speaker 33 So he does an interview with somebody and

Speaker 33 I start hearing on Twitter, what do you think about this?

Speaker 33 Russo saying nice things about you. He says you're a genius and you're this and that.
And

Speaker 33 I have never and don't intend to listen to that voice,

Speaker 33 except if I'm tied to a chair and being interrogated.

Speaker 33 If you want me to spill my guts, play the voice and I'll make it stop. But otherwise, I ain't listening to it.

Speaker 33 You and I, Brian, when we talk about him here on the program, we read recaps of public things that he's done, said, or been involved in to

Speaker 33 ridicule the preposterosity of them and then move along, but I do not listen to his voice. But the gist was he was saying a bunch of nice things about me

Speaker 33 because he wanted me to respond to him, which is what I'm doing now just to get it over with.

Speaker 33 And I didn't want to respond to him because he's just groping and grasping and fondling for publicity on his new venture of working for literal clowns. And then he goes on to show a week later,

Speaker 33 ah, Cornette's a fucking idiot. He's a goddamn Jesus.

Speaker 33 Because he's mad because then he responded, well, maybe this will work.

Speaker 33 And I wasn't really going to say anything about that either, but everybody, so I will issue a blanket.

Speaker 33 I don't respond to shit stain.

Speaker 33 When he talks about me, because that's when he's trying to get publicity. And whatever he says about me

Speaker 33 will be based on whatever angle or swerve he's working

Speaker 33 as to whether he thinks it'll get him attention.

Speaker 33 I only mock his general public activities and statements about other people and things

Speaker 33 when they are appropriate.

Speaker 33 And because he has such a track record,

Speaker 33 People think that we talk about him constantly, or he'd like to have them think that, but

Speaker 33 he's part of the passing American parade to us.

Speaker 33 But just as a blanket

Speaker 33 answer, I mean, Jesus sage Christ. Actually,

Speaker 33 I'll leave this as the summation.

Speaker 33 I've almost done better than the grave pissing, Brian, when you think about it.

Speaker 33 Because we're the same age, me and

Speaker 33 Vinny Rue,

Speaker 33 and he still

Speaker 33 so desperately either needs the money or the fucking attention

Speaker 33 that he will subject himself at

Speaker 33 a point of time where we're both about to get the Medicare

Speaker 33 to fucking going out in these barns and working for these clowns and doing this outlaw wrestling bullshit.

Speaker 33 Why would you need either at this stage of your life?

Speaker 33 I, on the other hand, may have had the last piss

Speaker 33 because for the past 10 years, I've been telling people actively on this forum: I'm done working for anybody.

Speaker 33 I'm doing my own thing.

Speaker 33 Even when I was still doing appearances, they had been reduced in number and basically for my friends.

Speaker 33 And then I've continued to announce that I will not be back.

Speaker 33 And yet he is still,

Speaker 33 it's reduced to this. What's next?

Speaker 33 Is he going to

Speaker 33 show up in different people's backyards for their barbecue matches and

Speaker 33 try to book those? How much farther down the fucking

Speaker 33 totem pole can you fall before it's not a fall? It's not a pole, but it's a goddamn hole he's falling down the totem hole

Speaker 32 you know like you said a lot of the listeners whenever they see him do something they reach out because they just want to hear you make fun of him they enjoy that and obviously i think ariel was hoping that you know they can get kind of a thing and ariel later tweeted that he'd love to have you on of course he would

Speaker 32 and

Speaker 32 You know, I think he should have called out, you know, some of the bullshit.

Speaker 32 If you're going to allow someone to say that Jim Cornette has a problem with them because other people like Dixie and Vince McMahon chose his ideas over them, you're forgetting the realities of the situation.

Speaker 32 Jim Cornet had a guy, it was later, it was exposed

Speaker 32 writing emails to Dixie Carter, trashing him at the same time that Jim was trying to be a good team player and help out when everyone in that company was begging him to produce their matches.

Speaker 32 So it's not exactly the same thing. It's not about the choice of of Booker.
It's about the behavior of the person.

Speaker 33 His story fluctuates depending on the audience and the need for the point of the story to favor him. But and the problems, didn't we?

Speaker 33 Our problems started long before anybody chose anybody.

Speaker 33 I was ready to gouge his fucking eyeballs out probably three weeks into fucking working with him.

Speaker 32 You know, someone actually just sent me the video.

Speaker 32 It's been a while and I checked it it out because it's only a few minutes, and it's funny of you telling the DQ Schmeek you story, which was the same thing.

Speaker 32 He didn't react to you, he turned around and ran to Vince McMahon and complained about you.

Speaker 33 And then Vince ran to JR and told him to come and talk to me. And then I told JR what he said.
Then JR went back to this is what we were doing with fucking Raw because of this fucking moron.

Speaker 33 I never,

Speaker 33 that's another thing. I never went to any superior officer and told him so-and-so said a rude thing about me.

Speaker 33 I dressed, I either addressed it with that person or I didn't.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 but he saw, oh god,

Speaker 33 this fucking idiot. He's been in business a year.
Is he going to tell me about finishes? What the fuck?

Speaker 32 And I guess we'll just end with

Speaker 32 the funny part, which is he's doing this little media tour. All anyone cares about is you responding to him.
No one's talking about the thing he's attempting to promote.

Speaker 32 He thinks he's getting free publicity for it and no one's talking about it. No one cares about it.

Speaker 33 It's a fucking rib. It's a guy who used to work for a successful restaurant chain has now come out with his own shit sandwich.
What the fuck?

Speaker 33 And again, to put it to rest.

Speaker 33 He still thinks that in his mind, and he's convinced a few weak-minded people, but he still thinks in his mind that he was the glorious one all along because of two fucking years,

Speaker 33 two years,

Speaker 33 30 years ago, that he was part of a successful entity

Speaker 33 with many moving parts that we've mentioned.

Speaker 33 And from then on, everything has been downhill and/or vanishment.

Speaker 33 If you just accept for TNA as on a major league level,

Speaker 33 if you can call TNA that during all of his tenures,

Speaker 33 he's not legitimately been employed by anybody in the last 20 fucking years.

Speaker 33 I've made more goddamn appearances for different companies than he has on television in total in the last 20 years.

Speaker 33 So I fail to see now

Speaker 33 why that if he wants to argue with me, if you want me to give you some publicity events at this point,

Speaker 33 then do something spectacularly stupid and funny and we'll comment on it. And it shouldn't take you long

Speaker 33 or have a goddamn fight and break up with whatever you people you're trying to work with over there like you usually do on your.

Speaker 33 Remember the one time years ago that he had a fight and he got locked out of his own fucking podcast that he was oh my god i forgot all about that that's right yeah yes and he was telling people

Speaker 33 he's just telling people don't buy anything from vinceruso.com i retweeted it i said an opinion i share

Speaker 33 because he couldn't get his own website he's all this is

Speaker 33 at this point he's grandpa

Speaker 33 With his fucking robe open and his tallywhacker hanging out, asking the neighborhood to look at him because he's going to do something brilliant again when he squats down and shits out some fucking paint on the canvas in the front yard.

Speaker 33 But just give us, give us, you know,

Speaker 33 give us some material, Vince, and we'll laugh at you. But otherwise, I'm not going back and forth.
It's not even fair at this point.

Speaker 33 I'll just continue. I'll just, I'll continue to be over here being the best in the world at the particular thing I do again.

Speaker 33 And you can be over there working for the clowns.

Speaker 32 Yeah, he's on the interview and he's like, I've challenged him to a debate with all the money going to Cauliflower Alley, but he doesn't say, and I also issued a restraining order against him.

Speaker 32 But also,

Speaker 33 no,

Speaker 33 that's the thing. It was a loophole.
He never said the Cauliflower Alley Club. He said, I will send it to Cauliflower Alley.

Speaker 33 Like it was going to go to an animal welfare fuck at the collie flowers

Speaker 33 and it that was one of the things is meet me face to face on a podcast

Speaker 33 do

Speaker 32 send all the money to carl lauer to manage that's a great idea

Speaker 32 oh

Speaker 33 he couldn't have pronounced carl lower anyway it'd be like the Chinese guys try to sing Christmas carols on the fucking Christmas movie.

Speaker 32 I did the videos for the NWA 50th anniversary Cauliflower Alley thing that Dennis promoted. And was it Cherry Hill or Philly? I don't remember.
But I did, you know, the videos for each presenter.

Speaker 32 And it was like Fred Blassey, Tully Blanchard, Jim Ross, you,

Speaker 32 variety of people. All of a sudden, Carl Auer, who I'd never met before, runs up to me.
And I'm a teenager still. He goes, Brian, how'd you like to come to Iowa?

Speaker 32 Get away from me, you creep. I don't know who you are, and I ain't going to Iowa with you.

Speaker 32 But it turned out it was like they were trying, they wanted videos for like whatever they were doing out there. And I was like, no, I'm all right.
I'll be over here.

Speaker 33 Yes. No, Coral was not a creep.
He was a nice, nice guy. Just very enthusiastic.

Speaker 33 Just an enthusiastic guy. He was an old-time promoter.

Speaker 32 Well, you know, Jim, you mentioned that Russo had two years. He was a part of a machine

Speaker 32 that

Speaker 32 really popped WWE. That's two years, and that's a long time ago, but memories last forever.
And sometimes, whether you- Memories?

Speaker 33 Mammories?

Speaker 32 Memories.

Speaker 32 Memories. I thought you meant memories.
Let's get out of the gutter, mister. Oh.
What I'm saying is it could be a job. It could be a relationship.
It could be community college.

Speaker 32 But whether it's two years or more than that, ladies and gentlemen, we all want to capture those memories and keep them nearby or memories. And of course, you can show all these photos.

Speaker 33 on your beautiful aura frames frame and jim i know we have a great deal for the listeners boy howdy you can do that uh and i'll tell you how you can do it because what the aura frame is is it's a technological marvel brian and stacy and her mother and then and her nephew well the nephew of the family it's different relationships

Speaker 33 uh but they've all got these things and they're passing the pictures back and forth And it's incredible. I don't know what the limit is.

Speaker 33 Probably more pictures than you've got of your family or would even want because they, they've, it just keeps going, the slideshow over and over.

Speaker 33 And for the pictures that are high res, well, these just, they pop out like regular old pictures there. And you can't tell that it's a

Speaker 33 projection at all.

Speaker 33 And they, you can load them up and send them to somebody so you can send them loaded or you can get the person loaded after they get it.

Speaker 33 And if you get them good and loaded, the thing looks even better.

Speaker 33 And sometimes they'll see these people without any clothes on because they're drunk off their ass we just took a major leap there ladies and gentlemen let's focus let's get back to the clothes

Speaker 33 frame the the the the slideshow you can you can add pictures it even takes video well it doesn't take video it accepts video and broadcasts the video on the screen you can you can make uh you know cousin simpson there put him on and on the set of the six o'clock news if you do it right it because it broadcasts tv and then he can be the newscaster.

Speaker 33 Say, ladies and gentlemen, the world is coming to an end, and it'll scare Granny.

Speaker 33 But a lot of these things, it may take some time to figure out how to do. You can put the pictures right on there, and the regular video, and the audio.
It even plays, it even plays, hi, grandma.

Speaker 33 Boy, it stinks in there.

Speaker 32 Listen, regular people, regular photos, regular videos. Of course, even live photos from Apple can move in real time on a beautiful aura frame.
Send Granny wonderful photos of all the family photos.

Speaker 33 You can hold your phone in front of the kid and get the kid to say, hey, Granny, why does it smell like beans in your place?

Speaker 32 Why would you do that?

Speaker 33 Well, so Granny could answer while on it's interactive for the whole family. Granny's on the phone listening to this shit.

Speaker 32 Listen, I don't know if this is necessarily how or why it should work, but let's talk about photos and videos.

Speaker 32 And of course, Jim, the feature I love, you turn out the lights at the end of the night, the frame goes off.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 32 does Jim's microphone, apparently. No, no, no.
It's just

Speaker 32 breathing.

Speaker 33 It's something I can do later.

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This frame, it sits on the Schiffer Robe or the Davenport

Speaker 33 or whatever. piece of furniture you might have in Granny's place.

Speaker 33 Or even, you know, again, once again, people who have that special kind of relationship, they could have the frames and they could send photographs of each other doing the naughty naught,

Speaker 33 you know, or just lounging about all natural. And it could be art.

Speaker 32 Regular

Speaker 33 art or George or Ben or any of them.

Speaker 32 Regular everyday photos and videos for regular everyday people, something that you can get romantic.

Speaker 33 You can say, let's say, let's say that somebody wants to remember all of their lost loves.

Speaker 33 All of them, and man, it takes hundreds, folks. So all of you would apply.

Speaker 33 Just a thought.

Speaker 33 Are you there?

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Speaker 32 Jim, let's talk about another happening on social media.

Speaker 32 Have you been following or are you at all aware of the Ric Flair-Hannibal feud that has suddenly broken out?

Speaker 33 Okay, no, actually, blissfully, I was unaware of this.

Speaker 32 All right, I'm trying to see what started it because that's kind of the question. Ric Flair had one of his Ric Flair social media posts and caps

Speaker 32 going after Hannibal, but I'm not sure what caused it.

Speaker 32 I have something here that says Hannibal recently slammed Ric Flair online after Flair claimed that Hogan died from street clubs, street clubs, from street club drugs, excuse me.

Speaker 33 What? Now it's street club drugs?

Speaker 32 Ric Flair says that the street club drugs.

Speaker 33 It was just regular old street drugs before. Now it's street club drugs.
Those

Speaker 33 gangs of roving street club members. What the

Speaker 32 Hannibal said.

Speaker 33 But that's the problem. That's the thing is if nobody, if we are unaware of what started it, it's because Hannibal said it online and nobody knows what the fuck he says online.

Speaker 32 Apparently, Hannibal said that Flair openly admitted that he shouldn't say this before making the claim,

Speaker 32 which he did. We heard that.
Hannibal described Flair as someone who invents stories for attention and money.

Speaker 32 specifically pointing to Flair's false claim about being present the night Bruiser Brody was murdered.

Speaker 32 Hannibal criticized Flair's apology to Hogan's camp and said Flair was simply trying to avoid any legal consequences, quote, in other words, let's not dwell on my lies.

Speaker 32 Let's just read it like Hannibal. In other words, let's not dwell on my lies.
Don't sue me.

Speaker 32 So apparently that may have been what triggered Ric Flair.

Speaker 32 He also pointed out Flair's habit of embellishing stories stretches back years.

Speaker 32 And we've heard the Bruiser Brody one in the past. I don't think Flair made that up for profit or anything.
I think Flair

Speaker 32 in his own head.

Speaker 33 I will go ahead and say it, Brian, so you don't have to.

Speaker 33 At some point, because Ric Flair had been to Puerto Rico a million times, just like he'd been everywhere else a million times. And they had worked together around that time.

Speaker 33 And then the story had been told so long. And then after 20 years, Flair had been drunk so many times

Speaker 33 that one time he says, yes, I was there when it happened.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 no,

Speaker 33 I don't. And again, we've unfortunately had to comment somewhat negatively on a lot of the things that Rick has done here in recent years.

Speaker 33 But I don't think he ever lies for profit, like, oh, God, you know, somebody's going to give me more money because I was here when this happened.

Speaker 33 I think he at some points just gets confused because it's been 40 fucking years. And it's, you know,

Speaker 33 just because this happens to be something that so many of the fans remember,

Speaker 33 Brody's murder, I'm talking about.

Speaker 33 Fuck, it could have at that point,

Speaker 33 you know, it could be something that happened in goddamn Memphis 10 years before that, and he would not remember he had anything to do with it or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 It's just, it's, that's an outstanding memory.

Speaker 32 Well, Ric Flair took the social media. I have something here from Facebook.
Before I read Ric Flair's comment, it is something that he posted. I don't know where this is from,

Speaker 32 but it says, forward.

Speaker 32 Devin Hannibal Nicholson has the size, the intensity, and the passion to chase the spotlight. But in the pro wrestling world, it only gets you so far.

Speaker 32 He's a solid worker who never truly crossed into that legendary tier.

Speaker 32 While Ric Flair didn't just become a star.

Speaker 33 That was awfully fucking generous, wasn't it?

Speaker 32 I think so.

Speaker 32 While Ric Flair didn't just become a star, he became the standard, a global icon whose charisma, promo, storytelling, and record-setting title reigns made him one of the most influential performers in history.

Speaker 32 Nicholson is known among devoted fans.

Speaker 33 Well worded, but actually not far off because you have to give Flair all of that stuff. I agree.

Speaker 32 Nicholson is known among devoted fans for grinding and trying to break through.

Speaker 32 But Flair's name is recognized by people who have never even watched wrestling. His woo

Speaker 32 echoing. through decades of arenas as proof of a presence that commands attention.
The moment he steps to a curtain, these sentences are long. I apologize.
I missed it there.

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 32 Simply put, Ric Flair is immortalized as a cornerstone of the business while Nicholson is still fighting to earn a seat at a table Flair built.

Speaker 33 Why is this essay even being written?

Speaker 33 Why is this even a point that's being argued? Is anyone in

Speaker 33 the Lord knows what universe trying to say that fucking doofball up in Canada is

Speaker 33 only by

Speaker 33 even comparison, we're actually in the same profession briefly. And otherwise, there's no

Speaker 33 time that they're in the same universe together, is there? What is happening here?

Speaker 32 I don't know exactly, but he posted that. And then this is what Ric Flair wrote.

Speaker 32 I'm sorry, Hannibal, or whatever the F your name is, because no one cares and no one ever will.

Speaker 32 Someone sent me this, and I thought I would give you a clue about how you're perceived by the general public.

Speaker 32 These are not my words, these are comments about your laughable opportunity to be anything but full of shit.

Speaker 32 I actually have more information, but I'll save you from the embarrassment. Have a great weekend.
Hope you're watching football like I am. FYI, 2,000 followers.
You're such a stud.

Speaker 32 What are your thoughts?

Speaker 33 Let me just compose myself here for a second.

Speaker 32 That's the best Flare promo in a while.

Speaker 32 Woo!

Speaker 33 Do you think, was he just sitting there waiting for a flight or something and going, what the fuck is this guy saying? Because how would

Speaker 33 what

Speaker 33 I'm wondering, how would what Hannibal says or what somebody who was listening to what Hannibal says even come across Flair at this point

Speaker 33 without

Speaker 33 somebody walking up and saying, What do you think about this? But

Speaker 33 he certainly made his feelings known.

Speaker 32 I like the idea of Flair sitting there watching football. He's like, You know what? It's time to treat him a Hannibal.
Woo!

Speaker 32 Whoever the fuck you are, he's part of one of those street clubs

Speaker 33 with the Egyptian.

Speaker 33 Oh, God.

Speaker 33 I guess

Speaker 33 our boy Devin is trying to still try to get some attention. Nobody hears anything about him anymore.
I thought somebody had revoked a parole or something.

Speaker 32 We had heard a while back that he's not doing wrestling. He now

Speaker 32 chases UFOs. Whatever the fuck he wants.

Speaker 33 No wonder his life intersected with flares.

Speaker 32 Well, that's the update on that, ladies and gentlemen. Jim, another follow-up on something we've recently talked about here on the show.
Yes. The Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. Olivia Nuzy Nuzzy.

Speaker 32 We're still not sure.

Speaker 32 Nuzzley. Affair and Scandal.
Of course, her ex-fiancé,

Speaker 32 Ryan Lizza, is all over Substack tearing her apart.

Speaker 32 But here we have a copy of a page from her new book, her new memoir that just came out.

Speaker 33 Now, she's got a book out now. Is it a boudoir memoir? Does she give the lowdown on the ugly?

Speaker 32 I'm not sure. The page we have here concerns the WWE Hall of Fame.

Speaker 33 Okay, but now, but just so I can keep track now.

Speaker 33 Ryan Lizza is her ex-boyfriend.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 33 And he wrote a book.

Speaker 32 No.

Speaker 32 He's on substack. He lost his job.
And now he's on the stage.

Speaker 33 So he's just on substack. But he's spilling his guts on substack.

Speaker 32 Spilling the tea, as the kid says.

Speaker 33 Spilling the T and the P and everything else, some S, all that stuff. It's all over the carpet.
He's on Substack.

Speaker 33 This woman

Speaker 33 feels that her viewpoints on the world are so important that she's written a book.

Speaker 33 Not about any particular subject people might be educated by, but about her experiences in the world with all these other people that are telling their fucking side of the story.

Speaker 32 And she just lost her latest job. Vanity Fair has announced that she won't be returning in the new year.

Speaker 33 So that's a good time as any to fucking write a book and tell everybody off.

Speaker 33 And she is the one who's having some type of affair that may or may not just be, as our great former president Jimmy Carter said, lusting in their hearts

Speaker 33 with the desiccated corpse of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Speaker 32 Well, this was after her apparent affair with Mark Sanford, a former presidential candidate, and a was he governor? Or he was, what was he?

Speaker 33 No, he was governor of South Carolina.

Speaker 32 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 33 And he was the honorary mayor of South America.

Speaker 32 That's right.

Speaker 32 Very big in Argentina, from what I understand.

Speaker 32 And also, it turns out, apparently, when she was 18 for several years, she was in a a relationship with Keith Olberman. That just came out.
And he's talked about that. So she certainly likes it.

Speaker 33 She doesn't seem to have one political type or one cultural type or one sort of ideological type, but there is an age and wealth type.

Speaker 32 And of course, she lost her job with Vanity Fair. It has come out that apparently she was coaching Robert F.

Speaker 32 Kennedy, who, of course, she was covering as a reporter to get away from the whole scandal end of it, just the actual journalistic integrity part of it or lack of integrity.

Speaker 32 She was consulting him on how he can better run for president while covering him and being a political reporter. So that's part of it.

Speaker 33 While covering him.

Speaker 33 Give me the full top spread, baby.

Speaker 32 Well, this is a section from her book. I don't even have the name of the book here.
I'll get that in a moment, but it's a page from her book.

Speaker 33 Name of the book. It is News from Newsy.

Speaker 32 This is, I don't know how this came up or why, but I'll read it.

Speaker 32 Every little thing seemed to matter. There was always something new to consider, or something to consider in a new way.

Speaker 32 In that spirit, I called WWE headquarters.

Speaker 33 What?

Speaker 33 That took a sudden right fucking turn.

Speaker 32 Sorry, not possible, the receptionist said.

Speaker 32 Not possible? I asked.

Speaker 32 Visiting would be impossible, she said.

Speaker 32 My eyes narrowed. I looked out the window of my newsroom in the Frank Geary building on the Hudson River that looked like a big block of glacier ice.

Speaker 32 I did not like to be trapped anyplace, even somewhere I considered architecturally defensible. And I had wanted to escape today.

Speaker 32 I had been counting on this opportunity to escape. The news of the impossibility of a visit to the Hall of Fame depressed me.

Speaker 32 It's private? I asked.

Speaker 32 There's no place to visit, the receptionist said.

Speaker 32 No place? I asked. Right,

Speaker 32 she said.

Speaker 32 It moved? I asked. No, it's, you know, an idea, she said.

Speaker 32 An idea? The hall of, she cut in. No hall.
There's no hall.

Speaker 33 There's no hall, Jerry. Where's the hall?

Speaker 32 Then what is it? I asked. It's an idea, she said.

Speaker 32 An idea? She had mentioned that already. It doesn't exist? I asked.
Well, it exists, she said. Where? I asked.
As an idea. She said.

Speaker 32 It was a place only in imagination.

Speaker 32 So, what do you think of this? Uh,

Speaker 32 this little story of her calling a WWE receptionist about visiting the Hall of Fame and what they are told to say about that, I guess.

Speaker 33 Well, that's the problem here. And I

Speaker 33 certainly am intrigued to find out. First of all, this may be proof that any idiot that has an audience can write a book.

Speaker 33 And I say, speak from experience because that just sounds like crap to me, the writing style. But nevertheless,

Speaker 33 I don't know why she was motivated to want to find the maybe

Speaker 33 for

Speaker 33 some

Speaker 33 person that she knew to cheer them up, a sick child, whatever she wants to go to the WWE.

Speaker 32 Imagine if they centered events.

Speaker 33 Oh my god,

Speaker 33 all right now.

Speaker 33 Let's not make this all in the gutter here.

Speaker 33 But the bigger issue is they can't even tell.

Speaker 33 I don't have any idea who the receptionist may be at this point in time, but there is a main.

Speaker 33 When you call the goddamn main number, at least back in the day, you got the person at the main desk there in the lobby of Titan Tower that they didn't leave till a couple of years ago.

Speaker 33 And because if you didn't know the direct

Speaker 33 number of the person that you were calling, you could call that number during business hours and they would connect you.

Speaker 33 So that was who she and

Speaker 33 how they would not have told someone to say, well, the Hall of Fame inductions are done every year as part of our WrestleMania ceremonies, and there's no physical hall of fame now.

Speaker 33 It's more of an honorary nomination with these ceremonies and et cetera, or just something

Speaker 33 instead of just, it's an idea.

Speaker 33 It doesn't exist.

Speaker 32 No, it exists.

Speaker 32 It exists as an idea.

Speaker 33 But it's as an idea.

Speaker 32 why don't they just do something? I'm not saying you have to rent a Frank Geary building or anything. He just died.
I'm not saying you have to do that, but.

Speaker 33 I bet you could get it cheap then.

Speaker 32 Why not just have a building somewhere, even if it's close to the office where you display the stuff you have in your warehouse? Just.

Speaker 32 Why not do something?

Speaker 33 Do you know how much that it would cost for a building near their office of any size?

Speaker 33 Or at a dry cleaner's place.

Speaker 32 That's not going to bankrupt them.

Speaker 33 Well, but just, you know, it would sit there because

Speaker 33 especially possibly since it's up there in that part of the country in summertime, if people are taking trips rather than the dead of winter, nobody says, oh, let's go to Connecticut, the middle of Stamford, not some goddamn ski resort or whatever.

Speaker 33 It would sit there.

Speaker 33 It would not make its operating costs, much less the expense of the

Speaker 33 real estate and the building and et cetera because

Speaker 33 they would gimmick it up where it would be a you know a museum of

Speaker 33 the wwe from 19 what 80 87 to

Speaker 33 2027

Speaker 33 and they'd have some older things and but

Speaker 33 the people that would care about them are not going to make the fucking trip just to see that

Speaker 33 but they'd they'd rather go see the Pfeffer collection. You see what I'm saying? It's just, it wouldn't end up breaking even in any kind of way.

Speaker 32 I mean, I don't want the Saudis to get it, but I would have to think that considering what they have and how many people are wrestling fans, how many rich people are wrestling fans and executives, there probably is a way they could almost sell the, almost like the World's Fair, just sell the rights to advertise yourself within the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 32 You know, the Colgate 1980s, whatever the fuck you do, there's a way to to do that.

Speaker 32 And they have no problem selling everything from Slim Jim tables to, you know, prime water or whatever the hell it is.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 32 I just, they just don't seem to want to.

Speaker 33 But I think there's more,

Speaker 33 they have more upside, more blue sky, as Jerry Jarrett would say,

Speaker 33 in

Speaker 33 making a traveling attraction that is part of one of their weekend packages. And instead of bringing the whole shebang,

Speaker 33 bring exhibits focused on X or Y or Z

Speaker 33 and the WrestleMania, the fan access, the Hall of Fame, that type of thing, where

Speaker 33 if they could work up to four times a year, it's a destination point for a weekend for the fans to see

Speaker 33 these items as well as these other things going on in town.

Speaker 33 And I bet you they could make some money with that if they wanted to go to the trouble. But that, I believe, is the best way to

Speaker 33 make it worthwhile for them

Speaker 33 exhibiting the classic stuff they've gotten in the warehouse.

Speaker 32 And, you know, I really do wonder if there was a Hall of Fame somewhere, even if it wasn't in Connecticut. Considering the modern fans and the modern spending habits,

Speaker 32 maybe you would get fans there every day,

Speaker 32 you know, going through the exhibits and doing whatever you do.

Speaker 32 I mean, the baseball hall of fame, again, baseball and football and basketball were different than wrestling, but still, WWE's fan base, their dedicated nature and spending. I really wonder.

Speaker 33 Well, and now there is the Hall of Fame in the building in Albany.

Speaker 33 The old

Speaker 33 building in Albany, New York, there's a wrestling Hall of Fame there now, but it's part of the

Speaker 33 ongoing concern as an arena, and it's a part of that arena. So it's not like they're having to stand alone.

Speaker 33 Um,

Speaker 33 that's again, that's the thing is,

Speaker 33 I just, I don't know

Speaker 33 of a local, they tried the Hall of Fame in Texas. Boy, that, you know,

Speaker 33 need we go there again.

Speaker 32 Hello, Johnny Mantel.

Speaker 33 Wherever you are.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 I don't know that there's any one location right now that's perfect

Speaker 33 that could support a wrestling Hall of Fame that's also a vacation.

Speaker 33 If it's Las Vegas, and that's just one of the 20 blue million attractions they've got or whatever, and it might get lost in a shuffle. But if it wasn't in a

Speaker 33 big enough place,

Speaker 33 then it wouldn't get the traffic. Memphis,

Speaker 33 you know,

Speaker 33 as part of the,

Speaker 33 you know, overall barbecue and Beale Street type of culture, maybe.

Speaker 33 Um,

Speaker 33 but it's hard to find

Speaker 33 to do anything but the 40 years of history of wrestling,

Speaker 33 you know, then you got to go back in the territories. And then a lot of the people that are still alive didn't grow up watching these people as kids because they weren't there.

Speaker 32 Well, again, I'm not even talking about a proper wrestling Hall of Fame. That'll never happen.

Speaker 32 But for a WWE Hall of Fame, if you made it a truly immersive experience, I don't see why it couldn't do as well as a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 32 I mean, I don't know if they make any money, but they had a lot of money behind them to build that facility in Cleveland.

Speaker 33 Yeah, but there's a lot more rich people that either got rich because of rock and roll or are rich and like rock and roll than there is.

Speaker 33 Change that for wrestling.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, that's Olivia Newsy from her new book, American Kanto.

Speaker 33 American Kanto?

Speaker 32 The LA Times book review. The headline is, yes, we give you permission to hate read American Kanto.

Speaker 32 That's the fucking review. We give you permission to hate read it.

Speaker 32 That's how unlikable this person may be.

Speaker 32 Jim, I thought of a question.

Speaker 33 And apparently she can do every single guy that she comes in contact with.

Speaker 32 I don't know about any autograph signings. We'll see what we can find out.

Speaker 33 Does she wash her hands first? Is what you're saying?

Speaker 32 Jim, wanted to ask you about a recent quote I saw attributed to CM Punk. I thought it was an interesting concept and idea.
I wanted to get your thoughts.

Speaker 32 The idea that the modern WWE, the post-Vince McMahon WWE,

Speaker 32 the world champion, is not paid more than other wrestlers.

Speaker 32 Any thoughts on that? The idea that the world champion would no longer be paid any differently than he would have before he was the champion?

Speaker 33 Okay, well, now in what context was this, do you have context on Punk's quote or do you have an exact quote?

Speaker 32 Let me see what I can find. Let me see what I can find.

Speaker 33 Because

Speaker 33 here's the thing is that

Speaker 33 in some cases,

Speaker 33 especially in modern times with the advent of contracts,

Speaker 33 you might goddamn end up with a guy that you're doing a short-term title run with that is not paid at the level of other guys and shouldn't be.

Speaker 33 But you see what I'm saying? One of those fucking switcheroo deals. So I'm not sure how the

Speaker 33 because there's there's no standard rule of thumb, but one would assume that if a guy is an established main event level guy, that he's got a contract comparable in the top group that if they're bouncing the belt back and forth you know over the course of the year and they're all making within the same range that ought to be understood but if if you're suddenly taking a guy

Speaker 33 that you know maybe isn't making in the top group level but he's in the top group and people are coming to see him and he's selling the shit and hitting the metrics it's time for him to renegotiate.

Speaker 33 See, I don't know where we're coming with this. All right, I have a quote here.

Speaker 32 This is from the Mostly Sports podcast.

Speaker 32 CM Punk said, the business has radically changed. It was a different place when I signed than when I debuted and then when I came back.
Like it's such a radically different place.

Speaker 32 The thing with the title too

Speaker 32 is also it means you made more money. That does not exist anymore.
Like good and bad. Like we all make more money now, which is thumbs up.

Speaker 32 My paycheck was always predicated on how many people were in the building. So I was driven towards ticket sales and the business of it.
And when you're in the main events, you got paid more money.

Speaker 32 Yeah. Now everyone is just kind of on salary.
And that's good and bad. It's good for the boys.
But I also feel there's not the same ambition. You know?

Speaker 32 I always wanted to be in the main event because it got me more money. Now I don't care if I'm in the opening match because I'm still going to make the same.
I could shower and watch the show now.

Speaker 32 So what are your thoughts?

Speaker 33 Okay, now that makes that makes sense. I see what he's talking about in the question that he was asked.
And we've talked about that here on the show.

Speaker 33 I mean, in primitive terms, remember when we had WCW in 1990 discussions? Well, you you know, a guy like Zinc, he's making his $150 grand, his $3,000 a week, right?

Speaker 33 Regardless of what the fuck. So we got to do something with him.

Speaker 33 And also the guys started, you know, not showing up for, I got a malignant hangnail or whatever. The guarantees kind of killed some momentum.

Speaker 33 In Punk's first run, he is correct in that When he was champion, he was making more money than everybody else because he was on a contract that guaranteed him a minimum.

Speaker 33 But guys put in that position during that time made well over the minimum amount they were guaranteed. That's why everybody wanted to be in that position.
A lot of it was the house shows.

Speaker 33 You know, if he's in Madison Square Garden, he's getting 15, 20 grand one night on

Speaker 33 Thursday or whatever.

Speaker 33 So that

Speaker 33 scaling for that time,

Speaker 33 you know, he was at one time one of the top paid guys, whoever this antithesis was, may have been making as much because they were featured in the main events and the pay-per-views and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 But now, as we've seen, there are no house shows. You ain't just getting an extra 20 grand on fucking Thursday to show up at the garden or whatever it may be.
And it's all TV rights money.

Speaker 33 And the guarantees are just for

Speaker 33 we're going to give you $3 million and do whatever the fuck we want you to do, but you've got a set number of dates and all these other parameters. And they couldn't possibly,

Speaker 33 you couldn't make a living for the, you know,

Speaker 33 if you were Brock Lesnar and not being paid a lot of guaranteed money, you couldn't make a living on showing your face five times a year, right?

Speaker 33 So now they're locked into contracts

Speaker 33 where they try to

Speaker 33 keep the guys they're paying a lot of money to and have a lot of investment in, they try to keep them

Speaker 33 both busy and valuable, meaning don't overwork them and they get hurt and then it's fucked up, but and let's not make them do too much shit because we're going to sell them a million dollars worth of merchandise and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 But if somebody comes along and that they they see

Speaker 33 they like braun breaker i don't know if they already have renegotiated they will be renegotiating probably

Speaker 33 or whoever goes from it may have happened for jey uso or maybe they're just heartless cruel fucking scrooge like overlords

Speaker 33 But when a guy suddenly breaks out and gets popular and you're using him in a main event, he sells a lot of merchandise,

Speaker 33 you're for the sake of keeping the guy happy and motivated, you're like, here, let me

Speaker 33 do something else for you or whatever.

Speaker 33 Both of those things are true. It's just different eras.

Speaker 32 That's CM Punk's thought on the current pay. You know, in the past,

Speaker 32 all sports.

Speaker 32 During the offseason, wrestlers had to get a, or even not just wrestlers, but baseball players, football players, they had to get other jobs.

Speaker 33 Other jobs, some gainful employment. That's right.

Speaker 32 Some even started their own business. Just imagine if Yogi Berra had had Shopify all those years ago and he was out there pitching Yoohoo.

Speaker 32 Imagine what he could have done. Just what our listeners can do with Shopify.

Speaker 33 What was he pitching Woo with Yoo Who's? What were you saying?

Speaker 32 Yoo-Hoo! He owned Yoohoo. What? Didn't he own a piece of Yu-Hoo?

Speaker 33 Yogi Berra owned Yoohoo?

Speaker 32 I believe so. You never heard of you.

Speaker 33 I thought that Boo-Boo owned Yoohoo.

Speaker 32 All right.

Speaker 32 We've crossed over, ladies and gentlemen. If you weren't born in the 60s, you may not understand Yogi Barra.

Speaker 33 Things are going north. Things are going north fast.
So let me tell you, folks, I'll tell you, you mentioned Shopify. That's what you mentioned, Brian.
Is that what you mentioned? That's what I mean.

Speaker 33 You mentioned the people at Shopify.

Speaker 33 Well, I'll tell you what, they're fine people. We know they are, and they make that noise because they have this goddamn medical condition in between their thighs.
But

Speaker 32 whatever that would be, they don't have that.

Speaker 33 Well, boy, I'll tell you what. They make a lot of noise when they roll over in bed.

Speaker 33 Folks, if you've got a dream and you don't want to just sit around all day and listen to two guys just fucking drone on, but you actually want to go out there and become productive members of society, I know it sounds daunting, but you need somebody on your side.

Speaker 33 You need a leader in e-commerce. You need a platform behind millions of businesses around the world.

Speaker 33 You need a staff of knowledgeable, experienced people that will go out there and they'll snatch money away from people and just bring it back and throw it at you.

Speaker 33 As long as you can provide the necessary goods and services that they can allegedly barter for that said money. And then, boy, once they've got that scam set up, then

Speaker 33 just take a little vigorous off the top, but you can turn your big business idea into that thigh noise

Speaker 33 that goes ching, ching, ching.

Speaker 32 I don't know.

Speaker 32 Maybe that's the thigh noise. Cut ching is the Shopify noise.
Kutching.

Speaker 33 Cut ching.

Speaker 33 Or is it cha-ching?

Speaker 33 Because now is it cha-ching?

Speaker 33 I think it's cha-cha-cha-cha-ching.

Speaker 32 Oh.

Speaker 33 What you do is you go to shopify.com

Speaker 33 slash cornet.

Speaker 33 Cornet, that's the code. My name is the code, and that's what you start hearing.
Well, if you're already hearing that, folks, you might have some tinnitus. If I were you, I would see some type of

Speaker 33 ear doctor.

Speaker 33 But if you've got a big business idea, a concept, you need help with your website, you need help with your marketing, you need help with your merchandising, you need help counting all the money that's going to come rolling in when you've got a powerhouse like Shopify on your side, a rhinoceros of selling like Shopify that's literally going to trample and gore all the competition.

Speaker 33 Blood and intestines will be thrown into the streets as they clear the path for you.

Speaker 33 To be the only one to make any money in a crisis like that, where there's blood and gore and intestines being flung into the streets. My God, the the sickening stench.

Speaker 32 Again, for people who want help with business, Shopify works with us. They power our online store and they can help you out without any stench of grizzly death or anything else.

Speaker 33 It's sickening. Brianshopify.com slash cornet is the code for the $1 a month trial period.
They'll show you how good they are at removing intestines from a street corner. And then you'll, you'll,

Speaker 33 it's amazing how you'll fall right in line and make millions of dollars and you'll retire with your feet up.

Speaker 32 Amazing indeed. Of course, that was all metaphorically speaking.
I'm not exactly sure what the metaphor is for, but Shopify.

Speaker 33 Well, you want your feet up because you don't want to get stuck in all the goddamn guts and intestines that's littering the street.

Speaker 32 Again, I don't know why you use this as an example. It doesn't seem like the best example.
But once again, ladies and gentlemen, shopify.com/slash/cornet.

Speaker 32 All right, a surprise ending there.

Speaker 32 Didn't expect that. We are back.

Speaker 33 We never thought that would happen.

Speaker 32 Jim, speaking of surprises,

Speaker 32 you surprised a lot of the listeners, and a lot of them are very happy about the news that you were going to watch and review Netflix's four-part documentary on Diddy, Sean Combs, formerly known as Puff Daddy and Puffy, and lots of other things.

Speaker 33 And P. Diddy.

Speaker 32 P. Diddy, love.
I think at one point he actually changed his name to Love, which is just crazy, considering what he was doing in his private life at the exact same time.

Speaker 33 Well, his name was on everybody's lips.

Speaker 32 Jim, what did you think? What did you see? And what did you think?

Speaker 33 What did you see, ma'am? Just the facts.

Speaker 33 Now, what did you see when the car came careening around the corner at the orphan school children crossing the road now you you you teased me with the diddy doc because i wanted to know about diddy did he do it what did he do

Speaker 33 and if he did indeed do the things that he did then how did did he do them

Speaker 33 and all these type of things and i went in

Speaker 33 with no preconceived notions because i know this may be hard for some people out there to believe but i didn't know who any of these goddamn people were I don't know anything about fucking Diddy.

Speaker 33 I didn't know about 50 Cent.

Speaker 33 I knew about 350, but that's the last time I saw the Loch Ness Monster.

Speaker 32 Okay, listen, 50 Cent was the producer, an executive producer of the documentary.

Speaker 33 I know, but see, but you were talking about that 50 Cent has a grudge against Diddy for all the things that Diddy may do.

Speaker 33 So he's produced. So I don't know if this is biased or not, but I didn't know him.
I didn't know them.

Speaker 33 I didn't know.

Speaker 33 I still, after watching, and it took me a couple nights because I got to be honest, by the time I get a chance to actually pay attention to something, it's now on to nine o'clock and I went to sleep on a couple of them had to re back, rewind the next day and go back, but I got through all four.

Speaker 33 I still don't know why

Speaker 33 he's made this much fucking money. Or why people give a shit about his fucking thoughts on fashion, or why he should have a goddamn clothing line or a line of anything except a line of bullshit.

Speaker 33 That's the kind of line I think he's been probably proffering for the better part of his life.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 it's like Vince,

Speaker 33 he starts out as

Speaker 33 a social climber, as Aunt Lola might have said.

Speaker 33 And back in the old days, he always wants to be around the important people and do the important thing to people do

Speaker 33 and make all this money. And then, when he got the money, he became a complete goddamn maniac, had no fucking moral compass, no goddamn restraint whatsoever.

Speaker 33 And just because people continued to give him hundreds of millions of dollars,

Speaker 33 he would buy his way out of all of the goddamn trouble that he got in in his

Speaker 33 social circle of other

Speaker 33 less than

Speaker 33 stellarly moral individuals who were all congregating around him.

Speaker 33 That was my takeaway from the whole thing, Brian. But what did you think?

Speaker 32 That was highly profound and also probably correct.

Speaker 32 Again, there was a lot to take in,

Speaker 32 a lot about things that he did in the past.

Speaker 32 They litigated the murder of Tupac and the murder of Biggie. And a lot of people are now pointing the finger directly at him.

Speaker 32 The guy who apparently told the gang, I'll give you a million dollars if you kill this guy and this guy.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you know, that's not suspicious now.

Speaker 33 But again, it's even when I made threats to goofball, I didn't name the exact amount of money, only in private, but nevertheless.

Speaker 32 Well, again, there was that. There was the, you know, again, it's so long ago in the early 90s.
What was it, 91? The

Speaker 32 city college riot and the deaths of

Speaker 32 nine people? Was a geez. I forgot all about about like the deaths.

Speaker 33 I knew nothing about this. But he promotes the concert where they

Speaker 33 and he over-promoted it. So they had too many people for the building and they just all tried to burst into these and crushed each other.

Speaker 32 Yeah, and it wasn't even a concert. It was a celebrity basketball game.
It was a hip-hop basketball game.

Speaker 33 Why wouldn't it be? But somehow he makes this,

Speaker 33 you know, a goddamn must-see event where we're going to run in frantically. You got to give him credit for being a promoter.
But then he took,

Speaker 33 that was the start of the pattern, right? He took no responsibility and tried to duck and dodge and start blaming other people or deflecting or whatever,

Speaker 33 which is

Speaker 33 kind of that.

Speaker 33 They interview his best friends and the people he started his record company with

Speaker 33 who look like they've been homeless living under a bridge for years, because he screwed all of them.

Speaker 33 Nobody's ever heard of them.

Speaker 33 They ain't got no money.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 because he betrayed them in some fashion or another, right? I mean,

Speaker 33 a court stenographer couldn't have kept track of all of these various transgressions. So I'm trying to remember from memory, but

Speaker 33 they got, how did they get

Speaker 33 the footage they got? He He had a camera crew with him when he was about to be arrested.

Speaker 33 He's on the phone talking to his lawyer and the lawyer's on a speakerphone. There's video of this.
How did they get the video from the videographer? Did he fuck the videographer around?

Speaker 32 I don't know for certain, but what I had heard was

Speaker 32 that potentially he was paying a videographer or he had hired a videographer to take all this footage or make all this footage because he was planning something.

Speaker 32 And again, you say right before he was arrested, the day before in the hotel in New York when he was planning on turning himself in,

Speaker 32 apparently that guy may not have been paid.

Speaker 32 And then he may have sold that footage to 50 Cent.

Speaker 32 And then 50 Cent, who happens to be the executive producer of this thing.

Speaker 33 See, I knew we got back to 50 Cent some kind of way.

Speaker 32 At a minimum, the production of this documentary got this from the actual videographer, I believe.

Speaker 33 But the point is, is that he was almost like the rap version of John Gotti, right? The Teflon Don, where

Speaker 33 he's been involved in so many various things, but yet he would slip it or, you know, slide out of out from under it or blame somebody else. Who was the one guy that went to jail for 10 years?

Speaker 33 Said, no, I shot him.

Speaker 32 Oh, shine. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Oh, shine. yeah well everybody remembers shine

Speaker 33 he used to have such a bright personality

Speaker 33 but apparently he he took the bump as they say for old diddy because of the there's witnesses saying that diddy shot the guy

Speaker 33 and then i mean this didn't delve into

Speaker 33 from all of the shit we heard in in the court case that just concluded. This had

Speaker 33 interviews with a variety of women, but it didn't delve just into the whole baby oil debate and et cetera, and what was going on there, but it was just, it was part of the overall thing.

Speaker 33 As many heinous things as he had done to his girlfriends, as I said, all of his ex-confidants are either dead in prison or look like bums off the fucking street.

Speaker 33 He's just destroyed everybody in his goddamn periphery.

Speaker 32 What did you think of like seeing the childhood photos of him? Because they had his childhood best friend in the documentary, and of course, they fell out.

Speaker 32 And like, he's dressed like a little gangster at times, right? Like, the mom is dressing him like a little Harlem gangster. It's kind of incredible.

Speaker 33 Well, because they said the mom is suspect too,

Speaker 33 and probably one of those social climbers, maybe. And they said that his childhood was

Speaker 33 bizarre and abusive and or you know mentally or physically or both whatever

Speaker 33 and

Speaker 33 you know so he had no

Speaker 33 idea of what the he ought to be doing to begin with when he's a kid and then he immediately sort of like a heyman

Speaker 33 he started trying to promote shit.

Speaker 33 Did I go to sleep on one part of it or basically

Speaker 33 he started promoting the shit and producing the music and from being the businessman and then started performing?

Speaker 33 Right?

Speaker 32 Yeah, the way it worked was...

Speaker 33 Did I nod off on something?

Speaker 32 No, that's kind of the way it went. They didn't really go into detail like with him and Andre Harrell, like how he went from intern to living with the guy to,

Speaker 32 you know, I'm going to be head of ANR. And then he leaves with Biggie.
They didn't really go into like the real nuts and bolts on that.

Speaker 33 More nuts than bolts.

Speaker 32 But he had Biggie. And he was, you know, I know you didn't watch those videos.
He was all over those fucking videos. Like, it would be Biggie, but it was all about this guy.

Speaker 32 If he wasn't dancing, he was driving.

Speaker 32 Like, you know, he was like mouthing the words as much as the rappers sometimes.

Speaker 33 So what? Was he the George Gulis of the whole production?

Speaker 32 No, because George wasn't the promoter. George would have to be the promoter to

Speaker 32 really get that going. Like, imagine when Hulk Hogan was playing guitar in the 80s and Vince McMahon was behind him on drums.

Speaker 32 It just, it doesn't work. It just didn't happen.
And Biggie gets killed.

Speaker 32 And right around that same period of time, because I remember, because Oasis would have had the number one album with Be Here Now. It's not their greatest album, although I like the songs.

Speaker 32 But it was going to number one. And then Biggie got killed.
And then Puffy's new album came out, which was Him and the Family. And you know, that's when they had Sting with him and everything.

Speaker 32 And it became all about him.

Speaker 32 And I never thought he was really good, but a lot of people went with it. Now, people are admitting it.

Speaker 32 That one guy who wrote his uh lyrics really made fun of his rap, he made him sound like Kermit the Frog rapping.

Speaker 32 But people went along with it and went along with the whole like

Speaker 32 Puffy thing. I remember when people started wearing Sean John stuff.
I'm like, What are you embracing? What are you endorsing here? Why?

Speaker 33 Well, he seems like a real pip.

Speaker 33 And now he's going to, how long,

Speaker 33 much longer? He's locked up

Speaker 33 in Lompak or somewhere for the four years or so, has he got?

Speaker 32 I don't know. I want to say he gets out in a few years.
They extended it a little bit because apparently...

Speaker 32 According to the news reports, they caught him with like some kind of prison vodka or something.

Speaker 33 Brewed in our very own toilet.

Speaker 32 Yeah, I don't know how or why from where.

Speaker 33 So, wait a minute. Okay, hold on.

Speaker 32 Let me google this. Now you're going to have to have me look.
This is

Speaker 32 a documentary. Come on.

Speaker 33 While you Google that, hold on. Let me just make this commentary about the prison vodka.
This motherfucker's been worth a billion dollars, and he's been drinking all this goddamn high-falutin

Speaker 33 of the Perrier and the dumb Perignon. And what's the kind that old Quentin Tarantino likes?

Speaker 33 the the the special champagne that he likes or the cognac or the caviar or whatever the

Speaker 33 he's used to and he's been in jail like a fucking a year maybe and he's reduced to drinking vodka out of the toilet i didn't say that you're assuming it's toilet vodka i just said some kind of person i said some crystal crystal is what he thinks it's christ he was used to crystal

Speaker 33 And in a year, he's sunk to drinking toilet vodka.

Speaker 32 I have an article here from there's a plane going down somewhere. I have an article here from Deadline by Dominic Patton.

Speaker 32 This is November 18th, so a few weeks ago. Diddy's bad week.
Prison time extended. LA Sheriff's Office opens probe into sexual battery of producer.

Speaker 32 And that was actually...

Speaker 33 Another guy. Wait a minute.
He sexually battered a producer in prison over toilet vodka?

Speaker 32 No, I think he's a two-sex.

Speaker 33 Now, this story is getting bigger and bigger.

Speaker 32 This was the producer in the documentary, and like the maybe was it part three or part four? This was the producer that just a few years ago, I woke up and said he felt sore.

Speaker 32 He didn't know what happened.

Speaker 33 Well, goddamn, I was waiting for you to narrow it down a little more. Haven't we all been there?

Speaker 33 I wake up and feel sore almost every morning these days.

Speaker 33 I just thought it was the cold weather. I didn't know I was getting

Speaker 33 dicked by Diddy in the dark of the night.

Speaker 32 Well, this article's very wordy. For I'm just looking for a simple answer onto one.

Speaker 33 Just a simple answer: the toilet vodka and the assault of the producer and the shower of the thank you, Google.

Speaker 32 Here's an AI overview.

Speaker 32 Yes, Sean Diddy Combs' prison release date was recently extended by about a month from May 8th, 2028 to June 4th, 2028, reportedly due

Speaker 32 to rule violations at Fort Dix.

Speaker 33 Hey, said Dix.

Speaker 32 Of all places to send him.

Speaker 32 Rule violation at Fort Dix.

Speaker 32 Leave the money on the nightstand.

Speaker 32 Rule violations at Fort Dix,

Speaker 32 including alleged homemade alcohol consumption.

Speaker 32 And unauthorized phone calls,

Speaker 32 despite his denials and enrollment.

Speaker 33 Wait, wait, how can you make an unauthorized phone call from fucking jail? Don't they have to let you use the phone? You get a phone.

Speaker 33 How do you get a fucking phone in jail? You can get anything.

Speaker 33 But no, I'm saying if

Speaker 33 you can't have a phone in jail.

Speaker 33 So therefore, you shouldn't be able to make unauthorized phone calls.

Speaker 33 But if you can get a phone in jail,

Speaker 33 they wouldn't be unauthorized phone calls. They'd just be phone calls.
Because if you're not supposed to have a phone in jail, you're not supposed to be making any goddamn calls.

Speaker 33 Right?

Speaker 32 You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to have a cell phone on you or a smartphone.

Speaker 33 No, that's against the rules. God damn it.
Well, how is this shit happening? Sounds like they need to crack down.

Speaker 32 Well, he's serving a 50-month sentence currently after being convicted of prostitution-related charges in the summer of 2025. He receives credit for time served since his September 2024 arrest.
And

Speaker 33 well, that's just a year. He could do that standing on his head.

Speaker 32 Potential for future reductions, Combs' participation in a drug treatment program could potentially earn him up to 12 months of office sentence, excuse me, as noted by CBS News.

Speaker 33 What does that mean? Then in that case, they experiment with drugs on him. And if he survives, they'll let him out early.

Speaker 33 Like, you know, cancer cures and shit, they inject in him he's kind of like a guinea pig it's kind of like doing a defensive driving class in prison but you know you don't get points off your license you get time off your sentence well him that's what that's what he's in prison for to be rehabilitated they ought to keep him every single goddamn day of that so that they can do more rehabilitation aiding

Speaker 32 all right well we will uh well i guess we'll go back to the review this was so where did he assault where do he assault the producer in florida wasn't it

Speaker 33 what's he doing doing?

Speaker 32 I guess LA.

Speaker 33 He's in prison.

Speaker 32 It wasn't

Speaker 32 that.

Speaker 33 Why is this? Well, in that case, why is this producer in prison two different places with Puff Daddy?

Speaker 33 You're not making any sense.

Speaker 32 Again, you watch the documentary according to you,

Speaker 32 and Lil Rod was one of the people in the documentary. He was the producer.

Speaker 32 Lil Rod.

Speaker 33 Don't send him to Fort Dix, whatever you do.

Speaker 32 Lil Rod made some accusations in the documentary. And of course, there are, I guess, some legal proceedings behind that.
That while working for Diddy, things got a bit weird. They got a bit diddy.

Speaker 33 So this is beforehand. He didn't do this in prison.
So you confused me earlier.

Speaker 32 Yeah, no, it didn't happen while in prison. That would have been another rules violent.
They may add another month for that.

Speaker 33 So.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 Rod got diddied by Diddy before

Speaker 33 that Diddy went away.

Speaker 32 Did you not see Rod? Where did you give up in the documentary?

Speaker 33 I nodded off on something. I don't remember

Speaker 33 Rod's name, but maybe it was, you know, I nodded off.

Speaker 32 Any other, what did you think about the discussion on the death of Tupac and Biggie?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 it seems to me that, you know, he's guilty, but

Speaker 33 he's covered his tracks well, apparently, if they're not trying to get him. If they got him on what they got him on and and didn't have any way to get him on this stuff then they ain't got

Speaker 33 getting material but it seems like it's one of those things a lot of people saying it

Speaker 33 when they put the pieces together it works out well that

Speaker 33 every time that he has an issue with somebody they they they went north

Speaker 32 the most fascinating thing

Speaker 32 is going to be when he gets out how he's going to try to babyface himself

Speaker 32 because you know he's not going away. You know he's not giving up.
You know he's going to be out for revenge.

Speaker 32 How's he going to babyface himself to the public after all this? Because he's going to try. There's no way he won't try.

Speaker 33 How old of a person is he now?

Speaker 32 He's got to be in his 50s. Hold on.

Speaker 33 Can you see when he's 70 something, he's trying to go out there and being like, like poor Smokey Robinson.

Speaker 32 56. Oh my God.
Someone just sent us a clip because we talked about him.

Speaker 32 And it was, I guess, a recent concert, recent-ish concert. And someone near the stage was filming on their phone.
And it was just him gyrating his hips and everything. And he's an old man now.

Speaker 32 And he's doing it. I'm thinking, oh, this is the guy chasing the mechanic around in his underwear.

Speaker 33 Well, that's going to be, that's going to be old Diddy here in 25 years. He's going to be 80 years old.
And he's going to have a surgically reconstructed, melting face. And he's going to be fucking

Speaker 33 breathing heavy on fucking records.

Speaker 32 Well, we will see what happens.

Speaker 32 Again, you know, it's interesting. I'll say this too.

Speaker 32 For all the rightful criticism

Speaker 32 that

Speaker 32 all the record producers or really record company, record company heads, executives get

Speaker 32 for ripping off artists in the 50s. It didn't start there, but that's really where people start focusing on it.
The 60s, and you know, people learn their lesson eventually, but it still happened.

Speaker 32 Whether it's a bad guy like Morris Levy or someone who was revered like Ahmed Erdogan, a lot of these guys stole

Speaker 32 writing credits or had people sign away rights when they had no idea what they were doing.

Speaker 32 Diddy was worse than all of them when it comes to just that, when it comes to ripping off artists

Speaker 32 who

Speaker 32 made him, because again, he sucks musically.

Speaker 32 You can't get away from that. He had talented people.
Mace, Mace just vanished. That guy was like the sound of the Diddy songs, and then he was gone.
Like he left the business. He went into religion.

Speaker 33 That one girl was quoted as saying, oh, yeah, it was a horrible contract.

Speaker 33 The lawyer said he's selling you fame, not fortune. And I signed it anyway.

Speaker 33 He was the Jack Pfeffer of the music business. He was taking a piece of everybody's money.

Speaker 32 How do you think the public's going to react to him when he gets out?

Speaker 33 I mean,

Speaker 33 there's always somebody

Speaker 33 that's going to be the fan of the

Speaker 33 big music star or for the fashion icon that he is.

Speaker 33 or whatever his latest, you know, the vodka, whichever thing he was fucking selling.

Speaker 33 There's always going to be, but for the general public, I don't know that anybody's going to really think of him that fondly. And not a lot more people are going to be hopping on his bandwagon.

Speaker 33 It's going to be,

Speaker 33 I mean, was Michael Jackson still making new fans at the end? And he didn't,

Speaker 33 you know, in any way have the various issues this fucking creep has had. And he was actually a goddamn insane talent.

Speaker 33 But he was kind of before he even died until he died he was kind of like

Speaker 33 we don't want to be around michael anymore

Speaker 33 all right

Speaker 32 i mean i felt like that but they were always crazy michael jackson fans but there were always michael jackson fans but it weren't like a bunch more new ones were being made every day No, no one was like, hey, let me go get behind that multiple time accused child molester.

Speaker 32 Yeah, that was the time.

Speaker 33 It wasn't like, you know, people suddenly making the decision, you know, I never really cared for Michael Jackson's music, but son of a bitch, if it's not starting to grow on me.

Speaker 33 So I think Diddy is as big as Diddy's ever going to be again.

Speaker 33 It's going to, there's still going to be some, but it's not like he's going to have some giant new phase of his career after all this shit.

Speaker 32 So how do you grade the documentary on Netflix? The exact name, I forget, but it's something related to Diddy, about Diddy.

Speaker 33 Something related to Diddy. And

Speaker 33 I know

Speaker 33 I enjoyed it. He's a very scummy person who deserves to have people talking badly about him.
So I enjoy when that happens.

Speaker 32 And because it relates to wrestling, how was your Netflix experience watching it?

Speaker 33 Oh, it sucked also because it kicked off. While I said I nodded off on several different points of it, it also kicked off.

Speaker 33 And I had to go back and restart the whole thing from scratch about three times to watch four episodes. So yeah, I hate the streaming TV, too.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, this has been Jim's review.
Next week, Monster Squad here on the show.

Speaker 32 Right?

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Yeah, come on. I'm trying to get a commitment out of you.

Speaker 32 Next week, the King of Kong.

Speaker 32 You're on this. Over Christmas.

Speaker 33 Over Christmas, man.

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Speaker 32 Wanted to ask your thoughts on something I saw that you retweeted from Arena Mexico. Neon, who we recently saw.

Speaker 33 Was that where that was from? Was that who that was?

Speaker 32 Yes, it was who.

Speaker 32 I hate to laugh because the guy's clearly fucked up now. He got pulled out of the Continental Classic or whatever he was going to be in it with AEW.

Speaker 32 He

Speaker 32 did a move that I saw someone describe as his signature move.

Speaker 32 I hate to laugh. I hate to laugh.

Speaker 32 It's so funny. He, I'll let you describe it.

Speaker 33 God damn it.

Speaker 33 That's like somebody watching somebody take a big wet shit to say, that's their signature shit.

Speaker 33 They're known for that one.

Speaker 33 Okay, I didn't.

Speaker 33 Somebody on Twitter tweeted a 10-second clip

Speaker 33 of a match somewhere. It appeared.
Obviously, I knew it was in Mexico because there were Spanish words on a screen, but otherwise, I didn't know what promotion. I didn't know what guy.

Speaker 33 It was just like

Speaker 33 this 10 seconds of this guy doing a run-in on his

Speaker 33 match and

Speaker 33 his

Speaker 33 the results of same

Speaker 33 the guy

Speaker 33 runs down the

Speaker 33 entry ramp or whatever and instead of it it looks like he's coming down to just make a save or help somebody out or whatever

Speaker 33 but instead of actually going into the ring

Speaker 33 he jumps up onto the top rope

Speaker 33 and then is going to leap to the other top rope and then dive off onto a guy on the other side of the fucking ring to the right hand of where he's coming out.

Speaker 33 So he could actually just goddamn jumped off the fucking ramp, run around the ring post, and punched him in the face. But

Speaker 33 as he jumps to the first rope, it's fine. And then he jumps to the second rope and starts to turn.
And the second rope wasn't fine. And he just

Speaker 33 dives with his arms outstretched headfirst to the ground, past the guy that he was going to dive on, and fell in a fucking heap.

Speaker 33 And then the video that was tweeted was clipped because that was like

Speaker 33 seven or eight seconds. And then you see

Speaker 33 the ringside medical crew, I guess they've got, he's on a stretcher. And while the match in the ring is apparently still going on,

Speaker 33 they have put this guy on a stretcher and they're carrying him back up the same ramp he just came down. And on the screen that's playing their sponsors

Speaker 33 is a fucking Mexican medical clinic advertisement.

Speaker 32 I didn't even notice that. Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 32 That's part of it. No, I did not notice it.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 so now we find that it's Neon.

Speaker 33 He and Leon used to be a hell of a team. team.

Speaker 33 It's Neon and he's out of the Continental Classic. Who was the guy

Speaker 33 that came out and did the big return and did a run-in and a promotion here not too long ago we talked about?

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 His big return was jumping to the top rope and falling off of it.

Speaker 32 Who was that? And for the record, I think I was wrong. He's not in the Continental Classic, but CMLL has put out a press release saying he's pulled from all these future dates.

Speaker 32 You were talking about Bandito, Bandito, and I think it was Ring of Honor where he made his big return.

Speaker 33 Oh, that's right, his big return and bam, and his big fucking, and they carried him out.

Speaker 33 It's

Speaker 32 remember El Pibay Diaz on 605, the guy who

Speaker 32 had a flip onto the floor, landed on his head, and then the children and just ringside attendants all got together and like just carried him and dragged him out of the building.

Speaker 32 Oh, I mean, mean, I hope Neon's okay, obviously.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, but why was that

Speaker 33 for him to do that thing that important?

Speaker 33 If the story of their match was going to, he was going to come out and help somebody or interfere in some kind of way or whatever. I assume he's a baby face.

Speaker 32 I believe so. That is his signature double jump moonsault to the outside.
So he's done it before, never missed.

Speaker 32 Again, if you watch it back, you see his foot miss, I'm like, I guess the second mini jump, or whatever you you want to say.

Speaker 32 And then that triggered the whole thing.

Speaker 33 If that's his signature move, he's going to need to change his name, isn't he?

Speaker 32 CMLL informs the fans that due to the injury suffered by Neon during the event held last Friday, December 5th at Arena, Mexico, El Asteroid Del Ring will not be able to participate in his scheduled commitments on the following dates.

Speaker 33 Monday. And the asteroid of the ring.

Speaker 32 I like that.

Speaker 33 Brian, but that's cool. But when you think about it, what does an asteroid do?

Speaker 33 It becomes a powerful

Speaker 33 on re-entry and then crashes and burns.

Speaker 32 Oh, God.

Speaker 32 Well, he won't be at Arena Pueblo on the 8th or Arena Calaseo in Guadalajara on the 9th. He won't be in Toluca on the 10th.
And next Friday.

Speaker 33 What about him at Toluca Lake?

Speaker 32 He won't be in Arena Mexico next Friday. We appreciate the public's understanding, and we send our best wishes to Neon for speedy recovery.

Speaker 32 Any final thoughts on the Neon injury?

Speaker 33 I well,

Speaker 33 should I say that Neon wasn't too bright?

Speaker 33 He had a flickering moment of fame,

Speaker 33 but then his switch was turned off

Speaker 33 in the twinkling of an eye.

Speaker 32 Well, get well soon. Neon, sorry about you not appearing in the Continental Classic.
That was my mistake.

Speaker 33 He shall be Neon.

Speaker 32 Jim, on the topic of mistakes, I want to make a correction for something I said on a recent show. Uh-oh.

Speaker 32 I said that the first Survivor series where Jesse Ventura and Gorilla Monsoon got monster pops coming out. I said it was at the Rosemont Horizon.
That was incorrect. It was in Richfield, Ohio.

Speaker 33 So I

Speaker 33 Richfield Coliseum in Richfield, Ohio. Richfield, Rosemont.
It happens all the time. Tomato, tomato, fuck, fuke.

Speaker 32 Again, I apologize for any confusion. My mistake.

Speaker 33 Well, you fuked up.

Speaker 32 Jim, any thoughts on The Rock?

Speaker 32 Receiving a Golden Globe nomination?

Speaker 33 Oh, you mean Dwayne? I thought you had any thoughts on The Rock. Which one?

Speaker 33 One out in the front yard or the one out in the backyard?

Speaker 32 Dwayne Johnson has received a nomination for best male actor in a motion picture drama that no one paid to see from the Golden Globes. He's up for the Golden Globes best male actor for a drama.

Speaker 33 Boy,

Speaker 33 is this one of those deals where

Speaker 33 one of those fine

Speaker 33 Shakespearean type actors

Speaker 33 toils away in obscurity in motion pictures that nobody sees while at the same time, you know, there's Chill Wills and Andy Devine are in the biggest box office hits in the country and just everybody's watching them on a weekly basis.

Speaker 33 Is Dwayne,

Speaker 33 even though nobody wanted to see that movie, is he finally going to get his due as a big-time actor fella?

Speaker 33 All that makeup. That's what you're.
All that makeup.

Speaker 32 He's bore us, Karloff.

Speaker 32 He's unrecognizable as the Smashing Machine. No, it's completely recognizable who the fuck the Smashing Machine is in this movie.

Speaker 33 He's unrecognizable as a human being.

Speaker 33 But no, maybe

Speaker 33 instead of Borus Karlov, could he be Lon Shamie?

Speaker 32 Maybe so.

Speaker 33 No, you see, it's just you don't like the rock, but now all these other

Speaker 33 Golden Globe people,

Speaker 33 they're all getting together and they're trying to recognize The Rock as being a sensational actor that he is and the biggest talent in the world because they're all scared that all these big conglomerations are going to put them all out of business and then they're going to have to come begging him for money because he's hooked up with the fucking

Speaker 33 big movers and shakers like Nick Kahn and et cetera. And so they're sucking up to him and they're giving him these awards for his golden brass balls or globe.

Speaker 32 Can I make a prediction? What's the prediction? He's going to win it.

Speaker 32 Well, yes.

Speaker 32 I think the campaign is on. I think if there's anyone that's going to give Dwayne Johnson an award, it's the fucking Hollywood Foreign Press.

Speaker 32 That's exactly who he fucking markets himself and pushes himself to. I think he'll win the award, and I think he'll have no chance in hell at an Oscar.

Speaker 33 That's what this is kind of like the

Speaker 33 FIFA, the FIFA Peace Prize.

Speaker 32 Yeah, the brand new peace prize from soccer.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you know, because here this guy's got a lot of money, he might be able to help us out. Let's give him a fucking award.
It's the same principle.

Speaker 33 I never thought much of the Golden Gloves, but no, in all seriousness, if

Speaker 33 is it the old art over commerce, the movie bombed,

Speaker 33 it didn't, you know, do

Speaker 33 anywhere near what it cost not only to make, but to market.

Speaker 33 But if, you know, if they can somehow

Speaker 33 present Dwayne with something, it'll be better for him when he gets back into the fast and the furious 17 or whatever the fuck is going to make $550 million.

Speaker 32 You think he ever gets juiced up again? Like big juiced up?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 he's getting old for that. Not that he can't do it, but that he shouldn't do it.

Speaker 33 So I don't know at this point if he needs to

Speaker 33 or if he can just be because he's still bigger than

Speaker 33 all of these Hollywood actors are diminutive. when you actually get them next to normal-sized people.

Speaker 33 Or maybe I'm just skewed because I've spent the past 50 years of my life around

Speaker 33 larger than normal sized people. But I don't think he needs to be Conan anymore.
I think he could get by with just being

Speaker 33 Dwayne Johnson in shape.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, congratulations, Dwayne Johnson, and good luck.

Speaker 33 You don't mean that. I do mean that.
You know you don't.

Speaker 32 Honestly, I don't give a shit about any of the movies at this thing. So yeah, I mean that.
Good luck.

Speaker 33 What's his competition? Do we know the guy who plays Springsteen?

Speaker 32 Is a good actor. I liked him on Shameless, and apparently the other show he does now is really good.
I just haven't seen it. He's the one who played Kerry von Erich.

Speaker 32 You know, if Kerry von Erich was five foot five, oh god,

Speaker 32 I mean, you know, he's Springsteen now. Well, who's a smaller guy, too? But, you know,

Speaker 32 yeah, I think Dwayne Johnson will win. I really do.
I think the campaign is on. I think.

Speaker 33 Well, that's what I'm saying. Who's he up against? Does it say what the field of competition is?

Speaker 32 Hold on.

Speaker 33 We'll end with this prestigious award. Do they get a leg lamp

Speaker 33 to display in their front window, whoever the winner is?

Speaker 32 You get a trophy and all the memories that go with it.

Speaker 33 Ah, that you can put in the aura frame.

Speaker 32 Jim, best performance by a male actor in a motion picture. Drama.

Speaker 32 The nominees are

Speaker 32 Dwayne Johnson, Smashing Machine.

Speaker 32 Jeremy Allen White, Springsteen, deliver me from nowhere.

Speaker 32 AKA.

Speaker 33 His movie has an aka already.

Speaker 32 I added that. I added that.

Speaker 33 But this is the guy that was carrying, because Jeremy Allen White, I got no idea. But this is the guy that was carrying the claw.

Speaker 32 Carrie Vyrick, yes.

Speaker 32 Joel Edgerton,

Speaker 32 train dreams.

Speaker 32 Joel Edgerton, train dreams.

Speaker 33 Have you ever heard of this guy or this movie?

Speaker 32 By name, I'm not familiar with him. I have not heard of this movie.
I don't know if I've seen him in anything else. So, yeah, I've not heard of him.
No, I guess not now. Okay,

Speaker 33 that pretty much covers everything.

Speaker 32 Michael B. Jordan,

Speaker 32 sinners.

Speaker 33 Okay.

Speaker 32 He's a good actor.

Speaker 33 Michael Jordan, the basketball player.

Speaker 32 No, no, no. Man, the episode of Seinfeld, my favorite line, was on last night.
Man, that Michael Jordan, he's so phony.

Speaker 32 No, this is Michael B. Jordan, who, when he was a kid, was on the wire.

Speaker 33 Oh, I thought this was Michael Basketball Jordan.

Speaker 32 No,

Speaker 32 this is the actor who put he was in Creed.

Speaker 32 Also, two more nominees.

Speaker 32 Oscar Isaac Frankenstein.

Speaker 33 Was he Frankenstein? I didn't know they did Frankenstein. Have they done Frankenstein again?

Speaker 32 I believe he was Dr. Frankenstein.
I will click on this to get more information. And the final.

Speaker 33 So he was Colin Clyde.

Speaker 32 The final nominee, Wagner Mora.

Speaker 33 Oh, come on now.

Speaker 32 For the secret agent.

Speaker 32 Jim NXT name or porn star? Wagner Mora for the secret agent.

Speaker 33 He must have been a secret agent because nobody's ever heard of him.

Speaker 33 Who the fuck are these people?

Speaker 33 There's no Mickey Rudies.

Speaker 33 There's no goddamn names. We need names, Vincenzo.

Speaker 33 This is just gibberish.

Speaker 32 Jim, I have info.

Speaker 33 Oh, go on. No wonder Dwayne's getting the knot.
Well, just no wonder Dwayne's at least somebody's heard of him.

Speaker 32 Go ahead. Frankenstein is a 2025 American gothic science fiction fiction film produced, written, and directed by Guillermo del Toro, based on the 1818 novel by Mary Shelley.

Speaker 32 It stars Oscar Isaac, we mentioned before, as Victor Frankenstein, and Jacob Ellardi as The Creature, with Mia Goth and Christopher Waltz in supporting roles.

Speaker 32 The story follows the life of Frankenstein, an egotistical scientist whose experiment in creating new life results in dangerous consequences.

Speaker 33 I believe we're familiar with the synopsis of the plot, Brian.

Speaker 32 What are your thoughts? Are you interested in seeing a modern take 100 years, almost 100 years after the classic? Are you interested in seeing a thought?

Speaker 33 Well, I will give this a go. I'll give it a swing, but I'm just, I don't know who any of these people are.

Speaker 32 This is on Netflix, apparently. Because the film poster I'm seeing here says Netflix.

Speaker 33 Oh, boy. see, they're trying to put the theaters out of business already, but I think Dwayne's gonna win this, but they need names like John Garfield, for God's sake.

Speaker 32 That's the name you're gonna use.

Speaker 33 All right, well, they need somebody that people recognize.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 let's get uh away from this. No Carradines, no Barry Moore's.
I don't know what's happening out there,

Speaker 32 Jim.

Speaker 32 We move on here with the show.

Speaker 33 Yes, what about a good song by Jenny Lynn?

Speaker 32 I'm looking here at my notes of things that we have to talk about. Paramount.

Speaker 33 Paramount.

Speaker 32 The spoiler.

Speaker 32 We put up a clip the other day talking about the news that had broken Netflix to buy WBD pending approval.

Speaker 32 Then it came out that Paramount, who felt like a jilted lover, I guess, thought they were going to get it.

Speaker 33 Spurned.

Speaker 32 They're not giving up. They're launching a hostile takeover and offering $30 per share, I I believe.

Speaker 33 And a blowjob.

Speaker 32 There's no guarantees of that. But if you have enough shares, $30 a share, you may get one.

Speaker 32 What are your thoughts on the attempted hostile takeover and the fact that the Netflix deal may not, and again, there are differences. Paramount wants to eat up the whole thing.
Netflix is asking for

Speaker 32 various entities that are part of it.

Speaker 33 They don't want those crummy TV networks, those TNTs and TV. They just want the stuff that's making big money.

Speaker 33 But you know what? The sad state of affairs of this whole thing, it's paramount. It's not if

Speaker 33 RKO pictures only still existed, we could say RKO out of nowhere.

Speaker 33 See what I did there?

Speaker 32 That is pretty good. I do miss the name RKO.
It's such a good name for a company.

Speaker 33 For a movie studio.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Now people think of it as a wrestling move, and it has been the perfect synergy, but they couldn't stay in business. And they had the Tarzan franchise at one point.
And nevertheless,

Speaker 33 so

Speaker 33 Paramount

Speaker 33 said,

Speaker 33 fuck your $83 billion. We'll give you $108 billion.

Speaker 33 is what they said. And they want the whole thing.
Just lock, stock, and barrel, clean out your drawers and be on your way. We're taking over.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 all of the Ellisons

Speaker 33 that are in with President Pigshit and his entire crime family, because before I was thinking, well, all Netflix has to do is just pay whatever the percentage is that the Trump family is going to want to rubber stamp this, and they're in.

Speaker 33 But now

Speaker 33 they've got

Speaker 33 an opponent. that's even more in

Speaker 33 with asshole than they are because he's already approved their previous multi-billion dollar merger.

Speaker 33 So now

Speaker 33 Netflix is going to be, and do they still have to pay the $5 billion

Speaker 33 that they promised if it didn't come off? Or that's not their fault. They're trying to make it come off.
Yeah, I don't know. But nevertheless, you know, they've cut Paramount has come in and said, no.

Speaker 33 We're going to give you more money, whether you like it or not.

Speaker 33 And we can get approved wink wink.

Speaker 33 And they already have in the past got approved because they're all in the same business of being crooked to get.

Speaker 33 So Netflix

Speaker 33 is now net fucked, apparently.

Speaker 32 Well, it's going to come down now to the board of directors against the shareholders, it sounds like.

Speaker 32 So it's going to be very interesting to see what happens here.

Speaker 32 You know, either way, it still goes back to the reason people were talking about this when it relates to wrestling, AEW.

Speaker 32 Their footing is going to be unstable, whether they admit it or not. And it may eventually have to change completely.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 32 this still isn't good. Just the idea that you're on a channel and you exist on that channel, like you're grateful for it, and there aren't a lot of other homes for you.

Speaker 32 You know, it's a scary time, I would think, right now.

Speaker 32 It's so unstable.

Speaker 33 And some people said, well, at least Netflix would, you know, we're always one of their top 10 shows, and they would be biased or whatever toward, but at least Paramount doesn't have the Paramount does more business with TKO

Speaker 33 than Netflix does. Paramount has the UFC, Paramount has the bull riding, Paramount has

Speaker 33 what they have a

Speaker 33 boxing business going now.

Speaker 33 TKO does. So

Speaker 33 that's a thing. There's two things to be look out for.
Number one,

Speaker 33 any entity is going to want to have the number one franchise in whatever if they want to be number one.

Speaker 33 And more importantly,

Speaker 33 they're going to go into, somebody's going to go into a ton of debt. And of course, Paramount, again, has

Speaker 33 the son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and Saudi money. So there's all kinds of resources available at their

Speaker 33 League of Super Criminals' disposal to

Speaker 33 pour into this, but they're going to be in a ton of debt like they were when they bought the UFC,

Speaker 33 when

Speaker 33 they started eliminating positions or whatever, or like

Speaker 33 any other major acquisition,

Speaker 33 they're going to look at all the deals. They're going to consider whether there's redundancies

Speaker 33 and whether they consider another brand of wrestling as a redundancy, but they're also going to see what the performances are.

Speaker 33 And Tony Kahn was given a $150 million, whatever, deal

Speaker 33 for his performance when he was performing

Speaker 33 a lot better than the latest performances.

Speaker 33 So it doesn't mean they're going to

Speaker 33 cancel him that week or find a loophole, but they're certainly not going to

Speaker 33 try to renew at any kind of numbers like they've got now.

Speaker 33 With the WWE, they will accept the WWE as Netflix has, as some of these other things has,

Speaker 33 as a loss leader to draw people into their overall goddamn thing.

Speaker 33 AEW is not drawing a lot of people into their thing, much less the overall thing. Am I lying here, Brian?

Speaker 32 Again, there's an audience that believes there's this giant number on Macs, but you brought up how Raw's always in the top 10 on Netflix, even if the numbers aren't great.

Speaker 32 You never hear that about AEW, that they're a top-performing show on Macs. Not only that, we constantly hear feedback from people who do use Macs and can't find it.

Speaker 32 It's not like they make it a priority or they make it easy to find. You have to search for AEW Dynamite on the home screen when it's on.

Speaker 32 And that's not good. It's not really a big priority.
They've already said that sports haven't done good numbers on there. So then you say, well, the AEW is not sports.
It's entertainment.

Speaker 32 It's never in the top entertainment shows on Macs. But we have to take them at their word that

Speaker 32 an audience bigger than what they had left to go to another service to start streaming it. while it was also the worst and most boring time in the company history.

Speaker 32 Was that your question? What was your question?

Speaker 33 I can't remember. So I think you answered it.

Speaker 32 Well, any final thoughts on,

Speaker 32 you know, jump ball, who's going to buy WBD?

Speaker 33 There's going to, it's going to keep being

Speaker 33 fewer entities owning almost everything.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 not only is it going to squeeze out marginal players, but it's also, I mean, there are

Speaker 33 legitimate big issues such as consolidation of the news media and whether we're going to be able to get the true stories from anybody anymore instead of just from everybody except Fox News. And whose

Speaker 33 regulatory

Speaker 33 approval from the government depends on what nice things they say about the fucking piece of shit in the White House until

Speaker 33 sanity returns and we get rid of this. And then, but

Speaker 33 again,

Speaker 33 most

Speaker 33 multi-billionaires and people in charge of this type of thing,

Speaker 33 the Sinclair debacle as an example, are going to try to control what all of their various outlets are saying or thinking or leading people to believe or whatever.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 none of these people need to be in the wrestling business. We all forget that sometimes.
Where's the program going to go? It might just go home

Speaker 33 because

Speaker 33 it's too big now. It's not about local television or

Speaker 33 even a regional sports network with all this money and these massive conglomerates. Not one of them is thinking, but I need to be in the wrestling business.

Speaker 33 If people watch it, they'll be in the projectile diarrhea business. But if people quit watching it and they're paying too much money for the shit,

Speaker 33 they'll drop the shit.

Speaker 33 So, we all need to watch out for that.

Speaker 32 Well, Jim, before we move on, I want to mention us breaking news: silver prices smash a new record outpacing gold.

Speaker 32 The precious metal has more than doubled in value since the start of the year, rising above $60

Speaker 32 per troy ounce on New York's commodity exchange on Tuesday for the first time ever.

Speaker 33 Jesus, that is, it was $40 an ounce back in the silver craze of the late 70s when I cleaned up? So, even adjusted for inflation, I did a better,

Speaker 33 I did better then than I would today. But that's that's a lot of money for silver.
You know why?

Speaker 33 Because all those TV commercials trying to scare all these poor fucking old people and oh goddamn, the world's going to collapse and I'm going to need my gold and silver.

Speaker 33 I can feel it, I can touch it. It's here when all the money's worthless.

Speaker 33 Do you think an 86-year-old woman from Scranton, Pennsylvania, is going to be able to survive in a post-apocalyptic world solely because she has silver to barter with?

Speaker 33 If it comes to a point where we are bartering with silver in the United States of America,

Speaker 33 then they're going to take that fucking silver from that 86-year-old woman and cut her head off with a goddamn sword.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 how would an 86-year-old woman in Scranton, Pennsylvania, Brian, know who to barter with?

Speaker 33 Shit.

Speaker 33 The local government has fallen and there's no law enforcement. They've all run for the hills and shit's burning.
So I need to call Claude,

Speaker 33 my food guy, and offer him some silver.

Speaker 33 Does that answer your question?

Speaker 32 Well, I guess my point was going to be whether it's silver and the modern silver

Speaker 32 out there,

Speaker 32 or if it's the many people bidding for WBD, everyone's looking for a prize,

Speaker 32 and everyone has a pick. Funny enough.

Speaker 32 And Jim,

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I'm talking about.

Speaker 32 No, not really.

Speaker 33 I don't think, I don't think anybody does. But

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But I'll tell you one thing: when you've got

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Speaker 32 So, once again, folks, that's not the way we want to look at it, and that's not the way it'll be, folks.

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Speaker 32 All right, Jim.

Speaker 33 That sounded like you could only reach one end of the keyboard.

Speaker 32 I'm over here now, and those are the sounds that tickle you so much. But we have more show, we have more things to talk about here.

Speaker 33 Yeah. Hey, as a matter of fact, I've got a piece of breaking news here.
This apparently happened this morning, but it's just been passed over my desk here by

Speaker 33 the Bureau. Have you heard about this, Brian? The headline, Jeopardy Champion arrested on felony secret peeping charges.

Speaker 32 First of all, I didn't know secret peeping was an official title, but. No, I have not heard about this story.

Speaker 33 And at first, I thought, well, they've arrested this son, bitch. They found out he peeked at the answers.

Speaker 33 But apparently, that's not it. It's not a felony to secretly peep at the answers on Jeopardy, but

Speaker 33 a Jeopardy champion, Philip Joseph Joey Decena,

Speaker 33 has reportedly been arrested in North Carolina on two charges of felony secret peeping.

Speaker 33 Decena appeared on the show back in November 2024 and won twice before departing. He also took part in the Champions Wildcard tournament, walked away with $44,698

Speaker 33 during his irregular stint, and then

Speaker 33 did not advance past the semifinals in the wildcard tournament. But

Speaker 33 he was taken into custody on December 1st, 2025. He's a development engineer from Raleigh, North Carolina.
And according to the arrest warrant, he was accused of unlawfully, willfully, and feloniously

Speaker 33 installing in a room any device that can be used to create a photographic image, namely camera placed in the bathroom with the intent to capture the image of another without their consent.

Speaker 32 The Chuck Berry, yeah.

Speaker 33 He pulled a Chuck Berry. He put a camera in the bathroom.

Speaker 32 There are certain certain wrestlers that may take money and send you those videos. I don't know why you have to go to such low depths to get that footage.

Speaker 33 Well, it's part of the thrill, it's part of the kicks that these young people get with putting these fancy damn cameras into bathrooms.

Speaker 33 Committed this crime on October 10th, 2025. So, apparently,

Speaker 33 if they've narrowed it down to the specific date, he got busted the first time he did it.

Speaker 33 But a development engineer, he's too smart for his own good. Felonious peeping, Brian.

Speaker 32 That's crazy.

Speaker 33 And forever on his record.

Speaker 33 Secret peeping. Felonious secret peeping.
He will be known on his record forever as a secret peeper,

Speaker 33 which is not as good or as honorable as being a secret shop.

Speaker 32 How'd they catch him? Did they have to secretly peep on the secret?

Speaker 33 They had a camera.

Speaker 32 They filmed him filming them.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 33 I was looking back to see if you were looking back at me.

Speaker 33 Yeah, they have the footage to prove that he has the footage. To prove that I, I don't remember, but was he taking footage of his inch?

Speaker 32 Is it unfair for Jeopardy to be lumped in with this story now that we're talking about it? Yes.

Speaker 33 Well, that's what he's known for besides his secret peeping.

Speaker 33 Secret peeping and his development engineering. He's basically known for Jeopardy.
But was this now a place of business? Or was this like just his bathroom at home?

Speaker 33 Where his fucking friend came over one day and said, wait a minute, how come you recorded me pissing?

Speaker 32 It says here, I just Googled that his favorite wrestler was Sean Stasiak.

Speaker 33 Hey!

Speaker 33 There was no pissing involved, just pissing and moaning

Speaker 33 on that recording.

Speaker 32 Ladies and gentlemen, this has been.

Speaker 33 He looks like a nice enough fellow. He doesn't look like a secret peeper.

Speaker 32 AEW fan from Asheville? What do you think?

Speaker 33 No, he looks so he's got a haircut and he's shaved. So I think he's a little too clean.

Speaker 32 All right, ladies and gentlemen. All right.
We will stay on top of the secret peeper beep. Beep.
Beep.

Speaker 32 I can't say it.

Speaker 33 You want to stay on top of the secret peeper? I I think I'll give him plenty of room.

Speaker 32 We'll see what happens. I want to make another correction here, ladies and gentlemen.
The other day.

Speaker 33 What are you? You're fucking up constantly now.

Speaker 32 Just left and right. The other day, I had a conversation, a text exchange with Steven Pinu, 87750 Steve.
Mentioned he was going to be in the New York area.

Speaker 32 I told him, watch the Seinfeld hour at 11 p.m. on Channel 11.
And you could see every crazy legal commercial in New York. Spectre and Associate.

Speaker 32 Every Every crazy law firm commercial you will see in that hour.

Speaker 32 I'm disappointed to say that they have removed the Seinfeld hour. It turns out

Speaker 32 it's now Friends into Seinfeld for a half hour into another Friends. I don't know why they did it like this, but I wanted to make that correction to Steven Pinu, a fine man, 87750 Steve.

Speaker 33 And if you call 87750 Steve, he will tell you how pissed he is that he had to sit there and suffer through a half an hour of friends just to get to the Seinfeld because Seinfeld must feel like the meat in an idiot sandwich being

Speaker 33 shoved in in between there.

Speaker 32 You never like friends at all?

Speaker 33 I don't know why any of them like each other.

Speaker 32 Have you ever given it a have you ever watched an episode of Friends?

Speaker 33 I've said and watched it. I like Phoebe a bit because she's quirky and offbeat.

Speaker 33 But the rest of them, I think, are too namby, pamby, and goody-goody for their own good.

Speaker 33 And I don't like them at all. I don't wish them well in their future endeavors.
I don't have any sense of vicarious triumph when they have some type of accomplishment or gain some milestone.

Speaker 33 I wish nothing but ill for them, and I hope that they have unhappy lives and broken marriages.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, some of that has come true.
But anyway, it's a funny show. It's actually very well written.
Check it out sometime. Friends.
Yeah, well, I've written it off. Friends.

Speaker 33 I've written it off.

Speaker 32 But it was the Seinfeld hour. I think Seinfeld was on at 11, like even when it was on Channel 5, like this syndicated package has gone around New York a few times.

Speaker 33 Oh, yeah, this package has been around New York. It's been around like a carousel.

Speaker 33 Don't just let anybody have a hold of that package.

Speaker 32 A big change. Jim,

Speaker 32 on the topic of TV,

Speaker 32 we're going to end this week with something that may or may not work. It may or may not be good.
We will see what happens.

Speaker 33 Well, there will not be a departure for this program, but I'm looking forward to it because you've been telling me about this. This is something I have never heard of before in a

Speaker 33 media-related professional wrestling incident here.

Speaker 32 Well, Jim, what we have here is something I'm completely fascinated by, and I wonder how familiar you are with any of this and what your thoughts are on it. It's from the People's Court in 1998.

Speaker 32 I had never seen this until recently. It's on YouTube.
Harvey Levin is still the host of the show. I don't know if he still does that.

Speaker 32 But it's featuring a wrestler who is kind of notorious in a sense up here. Boss Hog Calhoun.

Speaker 32 Did you ever encounter the alleged grandson of Haystack Calhoun, who had no relation at all to Haystack's Calhoun? Did you ever encounter Boss Hog?

Speaker 33 I don't, I mean, he could have been in a building I was in, but but I don't know that I've ever had the pleasure of meeting him or any personal interactions.

Speaker 33 But if you've, I've got a freeze frame of this, it is a people's court show,

Speaker 33 and I've got a freeze frame of

Speaker 33 this character, I guess. He's the one on the left, correct?

Speaker 32 That is correct. Yes.

Speaker 33 Why is he? He's obviously 450 or 500 pounds, but why is he wearing a flowered printed women's grandma dress? That's a dress, right? He's wearing a dress and his face is painted.

Speaker 32 That is a great question. And actually, that's one of the questions that Judge Koch

Speaker 32 asks right away. Ed Koch was the judge at this point in time on the People's Court, Jim.

Speaker 33 Well, this fellow, Mr. Calhoun, is standing next to a guy wearing sunglasses.
So he's probably an outlaw manager.

Speaker 32 And that's crazy Don Rock. He's a New York indie guy, late 80s, maybe early 90s.
I guess even here in 1998.

Speaker 33 Well, there's another guy standing behind him wearing a fake mark belt, a reproduction of some kind. You can't see it.
It's obscured. And then

Speaker 33 apparently a troll who works at the Keebler cookie factory standing there. I don't know what she has no

Speaker 33 wrists. Her fingers are just coming out of the end of a pudgy arm.

Speaker 33 And her face looks like it was squashed in an industrial vice and then pubic hair glued on top of.

Speaker 33 So I don't know what's going on with these people, but.

Speaker 32 She will be introduced. She will be introduced to you throughout this.

Speaker 32 Okay. Boss Hog Calhoun was a guy who

Speaker 32 he would show up everywhere. If John Arezzi did something, he would be there.
If Vince Russo is vicious, Vincent did something, this guy would be there.

Speaker 32 And it wasn't necessarily like he was selling anything.

Speaker 32 He just seemed like he wanted to tell people that he was the grandson of Haystacks Calhoun and that he was coming into the WWF to work with the Undertaker.

Speaker 33 Oh, Christ on a cracker.

Speaker 32 And it was almost believable when you were a kid because he's a gigantic, fat, fucking guy. Like, oh, my God, what would the Undertaker do with this?

Speaker 33 Oh, he's got his own gravitational pull. No doubt about it.

Speaker 32 Plus, you know, being the grandson of Haystax Calhoun, known for his

Speaker 33 incredible means everything. That's right.

Speaker 32 so he had this bullshit story he never went to WWF

Speaker 32 I didn't know he was doing any of this he showed up when the New York hotlines the free hotlines were a thing as Johnny gimmick the voice of wrestling and he had a great voice for it and then he vanished but here we have the people's court

Speaker 32 we will start this audio we will stop it along the way to review it

Speaker 32 And let's get an idea of what this story is.

Speaker 34 That will do it for this case. We are going to change gears big time.
You got to remember these cases are absolutely real.

Speaker 34 Take a look.

Speaker 34 This is the creative Titanic Tony. He contends he hired the defendant to help him fulfill his lifelong dream to become a professional wrestler.

Speaker 34 However, the huge, fast-talking wrestler did everything but train him. He was humiliated, subjected to beatings in the ring, and forced to be the guy's flunky.
He's suing for $600.

Speaker 34 The money, he's out.

Speaker 32 Now, let's stop it here for a moment. This is a new character being introduced into our production: Titanic Tony,

Speaker 32 suing for $600.

Speaker 33 Suing has walked into the courtroom with a

Speaker 33 tie-dyed painted

Speaker 33 Titanic Tony, Titanic Tony t-shirt on with sleeves cut out. He's an almost equivalently large fat fuck with a face painted white, sunglasses on, and for some reason,

Speaker 33 the white beret worn by Sergeant-in-Arms Nick Berett, Nick Berette of the Cult of Cornet

Speaker 33 Wrestling Integrity Watchers Club. So, what in the hell is going on here?

Speaker 33 He's in gimmick.

Speaker 32 Is he the iceberg that the Titanic hit? Is Titanic Tony the iceberg?

Speaker 32 By the way, does that pass the name test? Titanic Tony?

Speaker 33 Yeah, for this guy? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 32 Well, again, it's important to note the People's Court allegedly went to small claims court and would find people who were actually suing people and bring them in with the agreement that everyone will get paid and everyone will get on TV.

Speaker 33 Right. So it's legitimate cases.
It started that way, but now this has been severely show-bizzed up because these motherfuckers realize this may be the only time they'll ever get on television.

Speaker 32 Let's go back to the footage from the People's Court in 1998.

Speaker 34 This is the defendant, Jack Martin, a professional wrestler, aka the Bohema. He points out he's a third-generation professional wrestler.
His grandfather was Haystax Calhoun.

Speaker 34 His mother is known as Black Venus. And his uncle is Gorgeous George.
He says he did everything possible to train the plaintiff, but the guy's ego got in the way.

Speaker 34 He had a gimmick before he even knew the basic moves. He's accused of putting a sleeper hold on a wrestler-to-be's dream.

Speaker 32 All right, let me stop here.

Speaker 33 This guy, he's wearing a giant flowered print dress. He's all gimmicked up.
He's got what looks like a fucking Barbie doll in his hand. The other clown's his manager.

Speaker 33 This whole thing has been gimmicked up. It's as phony as a football bat.

Speaker 32 Go ahead. And this is

Speaker 32 Boss Hog Calhoun,

Speaker 32 who was now the bohemoth he said also what was it his grandmother was black venus and his godfather his uncle was gorgeous george his uncle was gorgeous george that's what it was

Speaker 32 let's go back to this the people's court with judge ed koch

Speaker 34 the defendant has filed a countersuit for 900 the balance due for the training all parties please raise your right hands

Speaker 34 i had no training whatsoever your honor i i hit the floor and i I felt those. If I was trained, I would have known how to take the floor and I wouldn't have got hurt.

Speaker 33 This is the bumper, by the way, as they're showing video footage. You could keep it rolling, Brian.

Speaker 33 But as they show video footage going to the break of the guy in the dress in the ring in a parking lot kicking the fucking other fellow.

Speaker 32 Well, let's go back to this. I'm going to go past the commercials here, or at least I hope I did.
Back to the people's court.

Speaker 34 Real, the litigants are not actors. In this case, they are real wrestlers locked in a legal war.
The issue, did the defendant take advantage of a wannabe wrestler and shatter his dreams?

Speaker 34 It's the case of Titanic Tony versus the mighty Bohemoth. The plaintiff.

Speaker 33 That definition of real wrestler is the most generous one I've ever heard.

Speaker 34 Titanic Tony, is that correct?

Speaker 34 And you are suing the defendant for return of monies that you gave to him. Is that right?

Speaker 34 Yes, sir. Will you please explain? Okay, well, basically, we got into an agreement on June 2nd that the Bohemoth was going to train me to be a professional wrestler.

Speaker 34 I gave him a deposit of $300 to show good faith and that I was very much interested in it.

Speaker 34 The training was supposed to start in July, was supposed to end in September. And in June, the end of June, I gave him another $300

Speaker 34 because I was very anxious to get it over with, you know, get my license and actually start.

Speaker 34 July came and went, no training took place.

Speaker 34 August came and went, no training took place.

Speaker 34 Now, this was a life dream of mine. I've always wanted to do it, and I feel I gave him the money in good faith.

Speaker 34 Well, did you have a conversation with him? Did you talk to him?

Speaker 32 Let me stop it for a moment.

Speaker 33 I've just got to, not only is this guy just so preposterous looking visually, but now as I'm getting a shot of Ed Koch.

Speaker 33 He looks like Al Lewis on a set of the Munsters. What the fuck would he say the most normal one here, and he looks like Grandpa Munster.

Speaker 34 When do we start the training? I have. I have

Speaker 34 to say he came up with many excuses. Why? Tell me what they were.
Well, at one time it was his tooth had to be taken out and he was in the hospital all morning.

Speaker 34 And so you were never the subject of training? No, sir. Not one day? Not one day.
On June 13th. Yeah.
Tell me when you trained him. Was taken to a WJA wrestling show in Connecticut.

Speaker 34 He started his training as a ballet, which would be a manager, start learning what we call psychology in business. You have to learn how to act in front of a crowd.
on June 3rd.

Speaker 32 Oh, good God. Let me stop it for a second there.

Speaker 32 Obviously, it is important to learn psychology.

Speaker 32 What do you think when you hear someone you had no idea who this person was and you were the person literally booking talent for the WWF during this period of time in the Northeast?

Speaker 33 Yeah, well, no, that's that's the problem is that a bunch of these fucking guys, and it does, it's not just confined to one part of the country, but in all seriousness, we'll get back to making fun of this thing that's going on in front of us because these guys have set this up.

Speaker 33 They just want to get on TV. They've figured out some way to set this up because they're working already.
They're not genuine. The guy that's complaining,

Speaker 33 if he took the paint off his face, he'd look like any gopher Dennis Coralooza ever used on a show in New Jersey.

Speaker 33 But people

Speaker 33 convince these guys that they are someone, that I used to wear a work under a mask. And they, in the days, especially where there was no internet and,

Speaker 33 you know, you could just sway an easily fucking lead guy's mind around,

Speaker 33 they got away with this, where just because they were a big fat fuck, you'd think they were a wrestler and they could make people believe it and they'd take money and take off.

Speaker 33 But these guys are working together on this, I guarantee you. Go ahead.

Speaker 32 Well, let's see. That's an interesting theory there.
Let's see what happens.

Speaker 34 I escorted him to a show, at which time I escorted him to the ring. I carried his bags, and that was to the extent I sold his pictures, and I took a beating outside the ring.

Speaker 34 That's what it consisted of. What else? Now, let me go back.
Let me ask you a question. The professional wrestling that we see on television,

Speaker 34 that's all phony baloney, right? Choreographed, like the word. Entertainment.
Choreographed, the falls, the...

Speaker 34 Entertainment. And I entertain something so we can work again.
If he writes the sports. Sports entertainment.
It's entertainment. I understand that.

Speaker 34 Okay. Now, you were going to train him to be able to to take the prat falls as they say in Chobiz.
Pratt fall punches. Right.
Drop kicks.

Speaker 32 What do you think of the disrespect? Is that disrespectful, the way Ed Koch is saying all that?

Speaker 33 Not to not to these people.

Speaker 33 Look at the sight of these people. They're so visually ridiculous.
You couldn't have. That's my problem with this kind of indie.

Speaker 33 garbage. You can't have any respect for anybody that looks like this for doing anything.

Speaker 34 You understood that or not? Oh, yeah. No, I understood that fully, but it never happened.
No, but you didn't think that wrestling was on the other side. No, no.
Well, some things, let's clarify.

Speaker 34 Some things are real.

Speaker 34 You can't fake a head, you know, getting hit in the head with a chair. You can't fake jumping off a cage onto a desk.

Speaker 34 I mean, some stuff it's a little bizarre, but when he picks you up, all he classic wrestling maneuvers.

Speaker 32 Is that what he wanted to be trained for? Those are the examples he's using.

Speaker 32 No, you can't fake a broken ankle. You can't

Speaker 34 down

Speaker 34 and he steps on your head, all phony. Right, exactly.
Right? Yes, sir. And it's agreed in advance who's going to win, who's going to lose.
Well, I didn't, I've never gotten that far.

Speaker 34 It is agreed in advance to the promoter who wins and who loses. It counts on how popular you might be.
So that was part of the training, wasn't it?

Speaker 34 I don't consider that training because at no time did anybody sit there and tell me what you know what was going to happen. They didn't tell you what to do.
Right, exactly.

Speaker 34 I just sat there taking a look at the... Is that a fact? That's a lie.
That's not a lie.

Speaker 34 What did you do?

Speaker 34 The lie is we stayed at a hotel three hours before the match on that night. He sat there with the four other wrestlers that were involved in the match.
He was told what to do.

Speaker 34 I showed him how to take a punch, how to lean over. So when he throws a man from the bottom,

Speaker 34 demonstrates for me.

Speaker 34 Gregory's one of my eldest students. Demonstrate for me.
Gregory squeezes himself for life.

Speaker 34 No way to Gregory.

Speaker 34 He's not even a guy with the market in the middle. He's just standing there.

Speaker 34 Oh, good lord. He just took a bump in the middle of the court for a punch.

Speaker 34 Gregory, get up. This guy looks like

Speaker 33 a 400-pound woman in a dress beating the shit out of this guy.

Speaker 32 On the people's court. That's bumps on the people's court.

Speaker 33 On the people's court. Why is he wearing a dress? Do we ever get the answer to that from the judge?

Speaker 32 I believe he does ask that question. I believe so.

Speaker 34 Let me ask you something, Titanic Tony. Would you like him to do that to you? No, sir.

Speaker 34 No, sir. You don't want him to do that.
No, because he sprays himself with Lysol and I I just can't deal with the odor, sir. But you knew that when you started with him.
Excuse me?

Speaker 34 You knew that when you started with him. If you stand next to him, you must have smelled him.
Well,

Speaker 34 in the beginning, no, I didn't. But then afterwards...
No, you don't have good noses? No. Anytime I saw him, we were like a distance away.
It wasn't I was close.

Speaker 32 By the way, Ed Coch is popping the room.

Speaker 32 They're all laughing at this.

Speaker 33 But I still, I'm more than Judge Judy.

Speaker 33 She would get more control over this.

Speaker 34 When did you first find out that he stinks

Speaker 34 the first time I escorted him to the ring June 13th?

Speaker 34 When after the city? So at that point, you didn't want to be trained by him anymore? No, actually, I just wanted to keep my distance. Well, how can you bathe?

Speaker 34 Quiet. He wouldn't bathe.

Speaker 34 Quiet.

Speaker 34 Quiet or I'm going to have him beat you up. We're here to say if he trained him.
Let me ask you something. Smelling has nothing to do with anything.
If you couldn't stand next to him,

Speaker 34 how could he train you?

Speaker 34 Training never took place, so it doesn't. How could he train you if he wanted to?

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 let me clarify, Your Honor.

Speaker 32 So let's stop it. There was a second.
And Koch got him with this weird.

Speaker 32 All right, he smells, he stinks. You knew that.

Speaker 33 Yeah, the logic came back to Biden. They needed Jamie Dundee booking the fucking wrestlers on this show.
They would have had a good argument.

Speaker 2 It's it's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 32 What do you think? I mean, if this was a legit thing in any way, did they see the case and say, please come and gimmick? Like, we'll only do it if you guys come.

Speaker 32 I don't know. Again, we don't know exactly what Titanic Tony's gimmick is, really.

Speaker 33 I think that probably maybe Titanic Tony really did sue this other fucking fat clown.

Speaker 33 And, but when they heard that People's Court had heard about their thing, they got together and they said, hey, we'll all come and gimmick and we'll do this and that.

Speaker 33 But they don't even have their story straight.

Speaker 34 I wanted to learn the sport. I wanted to learn.
I would deal with it. But the training never took place.
I understand. But if he wanted to,

Speaker 34 you would have rejected it, no?

Speaker 34 I would have, but it's just to show you how much I really wanted to get it over with, how much I wanted to learn the sport, how much I wanted to be somebody.

Speaker 34 No, you can't say anything. And then the next thing, Your Honor, on the second, I have one basic question I ask every guy I train, and I have some like former students here.

Speaker 34 Do you have any heart conditions? Do you have any back conditions? No, I do not. No, I do not.
Because if he would have said yes, I would have never signed him. That's a lie.

Speaker 34 I would never spend the time on him. That's a lie.
Okay. I happened to find this out.
This guy is a walking medical condition.

Speaker 32 You're talking about the behemoth, Boss Hog Calhoun.

Speaker 33 The behemoth, yes, yes. Boss Hog, he's a walking medical condition.
How could you look at this guy and say he's going to ask anybody about their medical condition?

Speaker 32 If you just look at the freeze frame we're on now, like you're embarrassed to be involved with wrestling.

Speaker 32 It just does not look like anything you'd want to be involved with.

Speaker 34 I didn't think of. What did you find out? We had major back surgery and he's got scars on his back.
You wouldn't believe it. I'm going to show you a videotape with a back brace on it.

Speaker 34 Do you have back injuries? I had back injuries. Yes, I do.
Does your doctor say you can be a wrestler even with this phony baloney? No, sir. He wouldn't clear me.
So why did you want to be trained?

Speaker 34 Because I wanted to do this. This is something I wanted to do.
Let me get some straight. Your doctor, in effect, says you're endangering your life.
That's right.

Speaker 34 And notwithstanding that, you, like a fool, want to be trained in this. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 34 This is what I wanted to do. And I didn't care.
Which one of these ladies? I didn't care if I could be parasite.

Speaker 32 Let me pause it before we get to the mother here.

Speaker 33 I was about to say, boy, you ought to see them. The videotape with

Speaker 33 a back brace on it. I can't believe they got that back brace around that videotape.

Speaker 32 I don't know if anyone like this would have gotten to you in your position in OVW,

Speaker 32 but in terms of like wrestling trainees who are kind of maybe not built for the business, but they have this whole, I mean, it's kind of a modern attitude in a lot of ways.

Speaker 32 You know, this is a precursor to AEW's talent roster, maybe. The whole, I just always wanted to do it.
It's been my dream. I dream about doing this.
I have my own gimmick. I want to just do this.

Speaker 32 Did you encounter that a lot?

Speaker 33 Well, not coming up to the door because we, you know, we we didn't welcome just strangers to wander in, but you would get videotapes and you would see guys like this on little small indie shows, even back then, but you would

Speaker 33 discourage them from further contact.

Speaker 32 Who do you think is winning so far?

Speaker 33 So far, I think that the fat guy in the dress is overcoming the fat Stave Puff marshmallow man.

Speaker 33 But let's see how it winds up.

Speaker 32 Let's go back to the People's court.

Speaker 34 Rest of my life. Did you raise a kid who wants to risk his life this way? I spoke to his doctor, and his doctor told me he did not advise it.
I argued with him.

Speaker 34 I told him, give this up, leave it alone. He said, Ma, it's been my lifelong dream.
You know that. I do know that.
And Mr. Martin guaranteed me my son would not get hurt.
How can he do that?

Speaker 34 All you have to do is to kick him in the back or let him fall, and he can injure himself. Now, you said you haven't

Speaker 34 got a video here. There you go, Your Honor.
Let's see it. Let's watch the antics of Titanic Tony.
We never asked him to do anything he wasn't trained to do. Exactly.
That's our job.

Speaker 34 This man wouldn't be in the ring doing these spots that we called to do.

Speaker 34 This man wouldn't be in a ring right now. This would be a ring.
Now it's Tony in the ring now.

Speaker 34 He's in here with the good-looking guy, Your Honor. Oh, good lord, they pulled his pants off all the way.

Speaker 34 That's him with a back brace on.

Speaker 32 There's a gap between his pants and his back brace, and that gap was filled by his ass.

Speaker 33 Don't leave it, play it. I want to see more because is that a...
Oh, I thought that was a beluga whale getting in the ring. That's the guy in the dress.

Speaker 34 That's the back brace.

Speaker 34 It's not a back brace. A girdle, maybe.

Speaker 34 Don't make fun of his wearing the girdle.

Speaker 34 That was called a spot. That's called a pump.
If you've not caught that, you can't take that.

Speaker 34 You're hurt. You get hurt early on.
The guy on the dress kicks. I want to put it in.

Speaker 33 He dropped an elbow and nearly broke the ring. Talk to him.

Speaker 34 It was a matter of you wanted to take the easy route when you found out you had to pay some dues and work for it. You know, that's an easy way out.
That's not

Speaker 34 going to be a good thing. Stop it.

Speaker 34 Now, when you said, just a moment.

Speaker 32 Let's stop it for a moment. What did you think of that footage there of Northeast Indie wrestling that was completely off the radar?

Speaker 33 Oh, and I get they're in a parking lot just outside with 16 people around the ring, but the fat guy's wearing a dress and the other guy's painted up and there's another guy just in tennis shoes and a t-shirt.

Speaker 33 And they're just

Speaker 32 lathering around. That was the same guy or kid or whatever.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that he was just taking dumps in the court here.

Speaker 34 You said that he never trained you not a single day.

Speaker 34 What do you call that? That wasn't training. What is that? That was what it was, that was a barbecue that no other wrestlers showed up.
Wrong year on.

Speaker 34 And he needed somebody to get in the ring with it.

Speaker 34 And I was the one that got in the ring on it, but I had no training whatsoever.

Speaker 34 I hit the floor and I felt those. If I was trained, I would have known how to take the floor and I wouldn't have got hurt.

Speaker 34 Did the defendant put the plaintiff in harm's way by not training him? The testimony continues. Now look.

Speaker 32 Let's stop it there for a moment before we get to more. What are your thoughts now on this last little section we listened to?

Speaker 33 Well, now we understand how he got booked. It was a barbecue and somebody else didn't show up.
So they had to have a fourth for the fucking festivities.

Speaker 34 You're beating him up for five seconds.

Speaker 34 This is a commercial bumper for the next segment. They're showing him beat up the behemoth.

Speaker 34 It doesn't look trained at all. There's something about Cameron Diaz.
Oh, here's a commercial bumper.

Speaker 33 Ooh, there was Cameron Diaz in a t-shirt.

Speaker 34 Beating him. Oh, we're about to be.
Right, he wasn't trained properly. Let's listen.
What

Speaker 34 Okay, but that was not something he showed me. That is something from watching it.
Well, this is some idea.

Speaker 34 But did he not give you an opportunity? You couldn't have been in that ring without him, could you? I think I could have. I really do.

Speaker 34 Because I've watched it long enough and I was in

Speaker 34 junior high school.

Speaker 32 Based on what you saw there, that was...

Speaker 33 Based on what I, yeah, do stop it. Leave him going.
I'm just interjecting.

Speaker 34 I don't know if you're not going to be able to bring you into the ring.

Speaker 34 Nobody Nobody likes to be there. I would jeopardize his safety.
What else? Okay, I'll give you some more.

Speaker 34 July 18th, this is a family barbecue that I run every year. I told Tony, he says, listen, you got three days, three weeks already, a couple dates that I do this.

Speaker 34 I think you're ready to do a match with myself, okay? This is on this tape here. Let's see.
I think you're ready to do a match with myself. He was taught.
He had the basic moves. I also told you.

Speaker 34 So you are now, you're going to show me something where he's wrestling you. Wrestling me, my child.
Taking a beat.

Speaker 34 This is what you call a Pearl Harbor

Speaker 34 move where me is a good.

Speaker 32 Do you know what he just said? This is what you call a Pearl Harbor. It's a move.

Speaker 33 He splashes him from behind in the corner.

Speaker 34 It's called Fat Guys Bumpin' Ugly.

Speaker 34 He's beating him up. Yeah, for five seconds.
Oh, he didn't try him. He didn't teach me.
We didn't try him. We trust him if you like.

Speaker 34 Holy God, the punches, the knees,

Speaker 34 the flabs, the cellulites.

Speaker 34 Of course, he didn't a single day. Of course he didn't.
Fast core puzzles. He's been watching it for all the years on.

Speaker 33 Let me stop it. Yeah, that's what he learned from watching TV for years and years.

Speaker 32 Let me stop it for a second. Is it ever acceptable for a wrestling school trainer after at most a couple of sessions saying, all right, you're ready to work a match with me in front of a crowd?

Speaker 33 Not this trainer, no.

Speaker 33 Usually not any trainer, but especially not this. This trainer wasn't wasn't ready to be in front of a crowd unless it was a goddamn bariatric surgery team.

Speaker 34 But the fact is

Speaker 34 that simply submitting to you and allowing yourself to be beaten that way is part of the training, isn't it?

Speaker 34 I agree. If you like to watch this whole match on it, which is extensively kind of long, maybe seven or eight minutes, it's not.

Speaker 34 I guarantee you, six minutes of that match, I took a full beating from him. That's what I'm saying.
And then when we call,

Speaker 34 if we call a big guy getting over, I beat him in one move, one, two, three, which is a choreographed

Speaker 34 up. And it gets pretending to

Speaker 33 be blown up and they're just wandering around. And the guys, it's what we call.
Who call? You've read it on the internet, you fat, disgusting fuck.

Speaker 32 It's what we call going over.

Speaker 34 Since he was a kid, they made a ring in the park. He used to do it with her and with all the other boys on the block.
He used to take my pillowcase. Sis looks dolly.

Speaker 34 Not that she's fucked a god of an emperor or two. You'll be nice.
I'm in gimmick. I'm the bohemoth.
I think I'm a dolly.

Speaker 34 This man is a doll. You're a wonder.
I'm a doll. A doll.
Yeah, I call from Bellevue. I think I'm a lunatic who thinks he's a doll.
You can see that. I think you are.

Speaker 34 He does take on that persona, though, when he puts it. This man is a 25-year veteran.
Let me get something straight.

Speaker 34 Your shtick is that you're a lunatic. I'm a lunatic from Bellevue who thinks he's a doll.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 34 That's my gimmick. I'm a lunatic.

Speaker 34 Crazy. Crazy Don Rock.
Explain. This is all shtick.
Right. Now, if you notice, Crazy Don Arc is also in gimmick.
He's a lunatic from Bellevue. It says right on his shirt.

Speaker 34 Guardian Angel is a heavyweight champion of New York right now. Never even heard of him.
You don't see any gimmick on Greg, do you? No.

Speaker 34 You know why? He's not trained. He's only true his training.
This man is nowhere near being trained. He's got a little

Speaker 32 car.

Speaker 33 Those are complete raving lunatics. There's this guy standing there in the like a fucking mope.

Speaker 32 He looks like he doesn't want to be anywhere near the rest of them.

Speaker 34 He never had, he had a gimmick that he lied for me right from the start. From this letter.
Look at this.

Speaker 34 He's a mark.

Speaker 34 What we refer to as a mark. This guy's a mark mean.

Speaker 34 A mark is what these people are. A mark is a man.
He's a fan

Speaker 34 that likes to watch professional wrestling. But ain't that how we go.

Speaker 34 That absorbs it, that sleeps with it, that talks about it, will give up food for it now this man states in his letter he had nothing to do with professional wrestling he didn't know nothing but call a couple schools and get a couple prices this man had a gimmick he he put the carriage on the expressway left the horse in the stables all right so you let me pause it for a second

Speaker 33 i don't even know now what they're saying but uh the on-screen poll indicates that people are 71 to 29 on the defendant side the stay puff marshmallow man rather than the 450 grandmother.

Speaker 32 What are your thoughts on a wrestling school student, if this is indeed true, showing up in gimmick or with a gimmick that they want to be?

Speaker 33 That would be fabulous. That would be entertainment for the whole fucking day by the time all the boys and the trainers finished with that guy.

Speaker 33 No, that

Speaker 33 wouldn't be done.

Speaker 34 That he didn't perform, and you want your $600 back because I'm going to go to a reputable school that was given to me by. And you believe in your countersuit, what?

Speaker 34 I trained him, and I also have other dates.

Speaker 34 You believe he should pay you the balance.

Speaker 34 I was in prime. I would have spent my time and my abilities on somebody that would finish and not gave up like

Speaker 34 the Titanic.

Speaker 34 Can I say something?

Speaker 34 In his eyes, to be a professional wrestler takes one day. I could train him.
One day. Oh, I could train you to be a professional wrestler.

Speaker 34 You cannot say that. Firstly, if it takes years, why did you agree to three months?

Speaker 34 Because I thought that it's a stepping stone and I could follow up with a school once I get my license. Well, then you believed he could train you.
Yes, I did.

Speaker 34 Can I say one thing? Who are you? I'm his wife.

Speaker 34 When he first came over, he was told, yes, I can show you the five basic moves in one day.

Speaker 34 24 hours, I could show you the five basic moves. One day.
But it takes months, maybe even years, to get that old down pat and to get the psychology.

Speaker 34 Why this is done, why you don't do that to this one.

Speaker 33 You need a yardstick to measure the distance between that girl's eyes.

Speaker 33 They're almost on opposite sides of her head.

Speaker 33 She's the most sensible one so far, but by God, look at the state of her physically. She looks like a goddamn artichoke woman.

Speaker 32 Well, the hair doesn't help.

Speaker 34 That's what he was told. Because she took the checks.
Be realistic. I I had to make the checks out to her.
Yes? Because your bank.

Speaker 34 Yes. Your bank.
My son said.

Speaker 34 One at a time.

Speaker 34 My son was a mark.

Speaker 32 She just said your bank was in Nassau County. This guy's from Nassau County.
That's interesting.

Speaker 34 And they saw a chance to rip him off for the money. Yeah.
Asked him about all the dates that I was excluded from training at Gleason's gym. Never.
Yes, that's a lie. That's a lie.
You're on.

Speaker 34 You took

Speaker 34 Greg.

Speaker 34 You didn't call me Thursday night. The last time I had spoken to to your husband was on a Monday.
I was in a school for three years, Your Honor. Right, so it took you three years.
Three years.

Speaker 34 The reason I was doing it. And you trained the red head open the door and get out.

Speaker 34 You said you wanted three months.

Speaker 34 I said I wanted to learn. The training was to take place Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 34 Not Monday. There's nothing.
Not Monday to Friday.

Speaker 34 There's nothing in the agreement that says that. He said it verbally.
I worked a nine-to-five job. I was willing

Speaker 34 to

Speaker 34 go to him. He didn't call me.
He's a liar. I'm a day.

Speaker 34 No, what I'm saying is I was not trained. Yeah, I accompanied him

Speaker 34 on a show. I paid for it.
Got it. I'm taking a recess.
I'll be back shortly. Thank you, Your Honor.

Speaker 34 Judge Koch is going to apply.

Speaker 32 Well, they're going to recess, Jim. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 33 You know what? The wife looks like Margie, the girl in the Tammy's Tips videos.

Speaker 33 Maybe come from the same family. It's up to it's 84 to 16 now

Speaker 32 Against Titanic Tony.

Speaker 33 Against Titan. So it's now it's for the grandmother in the fucking dress.

Speaker 33 The giant behemoth. All right, let's finish this thing up.

Speaker 32 We've heard what you have thought about this. Let's find out what the people think too.
Let's get some of their thoughts.

Speaker 34 Sports him down.

Speaker 34 It's pretty much the same thing. Let's find out.
What do you think?

Speaker 34 I think the plaintiff put too much money into a childhood dream other than a career, and he was looking as into the past as being a professional wrestler other than the future.

Speaker 34 Should he get his money back? No, I don't think he should. I think that the defendant trained him the way that he was supposed to train him, but he thought he was a pro before his training was over.

Speaker 34 Cart before the horse, as they say, you say? If he had a bad back, he should have never gotten into wrestling. What about the issue of fraud here that he defrauded the guy?

Speaker 34 They basically both looked to me look like they defrauded each other. Nobody should get anything.

Speaker 34 I think that the defendant should get it because the plaintiff lied to him all the way and he told him when he was before he was going to train exactly what's going to happen.

Speaker 34 I was going to train you a day or three months, and he went right along with it. Concurrent opinion by your son.

Speaker 34 That's pretty much the view down here.

Speaker 33 Well, is this the middle of the day? They're just walking down the through the mall or something. They're standing in the mall getting people.
These people can vote. That's another thing.
That's sad.

Speaker 33 It isn't. This is a heel program.
Nobody deserved anything out of this.

Speaker 32 It's an interesting mix of people here. Just like you said, middle of the day, ready to talk about this entire case.
Let's go back to the people's court.

Speaker 34 They hate the fact that the plaintiff lied about his back. Let's find out what the judge thinks.
What we have here is

Speaker 34 a young man, Titanic Tony, who has an obsession. I think you will admit that.
Yes, I do. You should take him to a psychiatrist.
He is endangering his life. He is your son.

Speaker 34 You have to get someone who can work on his obsession and eliminate it. Jack Martin enters into a contract.

Speaker 34 He fulfills the contract, in my judgment, and Titanic Tony decides he wants to end the contract because he's not satisfied with the training.

Speaker 34 But he has not convinced this court that Jack Martin failed in that training. Just the reverse.

Speaker 34 The dates, the video, and I find in favor of the defendant in the amount of $900.

Speaker 34 Thank you, Your Honor.

Speaker 34 That's not justice. Good lord.
That's anything but

Speaker 34 justice at all.

Speaker 34 So tight.

Speaker 32 Let's stop it there before the promos are.

Speaker 33 There ain't no justice in the world.

Speaker 33 And you know, honestly, this, again,

Speaker 33 I think this bunch was all working together because they saw they had an opportunity to be on television. There was probably a legitimate gripe.

Speaker 33 But this is the kind of outlaw bullshit that people,

Speaker 33 but this guy that fell for the trainer is a simpleton. Because you can take one look at this guy.

Speaker 33 And even before the internet, where you couldn't check people out, you could see that he was a ridiculously large piece of shit.

Speaker 33 And how this guy thought that he was going to...

Speaker 33 could have become a pro wrestler of any stature by working at the guy's barbecues, I have have no idea. But

Speaker 33 they're both idiots that preyed on each other.

Speaker 32 You think it's too easy to rent a ring at Johnny Rodz's or Johnny Rodz's at Gleason's Gym?

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, that when they mentioned Gleason's Gym, that was a legitimate place at one point. But still is.
This guy was just

Speaker 33 renting their ring and using their name.

Speaker 33 And so, oh, you'll get to train there at Gleason's Gym. Well, maybe not.

Speaker 32 Let's get the promos here at the end, the post-match promos.

Speaker 34 Titanic Tony takes another beating. Here comes Titanic Tony.

Speaker 34 Well, you're a man who said he would die for his dreams.

Speaker 34 I think everybody in the courtroom and watching this case,

Speaker 34 their hearts must go out to you because they can relate to a person who would die for his dreams. So what do you do now? Go on.

Speaker 34 I don't agree with what Judge Cott said about a psychiatrist, but yeah, you know, I wanted to do it. I mean, I wouldn't wouldn't say I'm obsessed with it.
I don't live it 24 hours a day.

Speaker 34 I do work a Monday to Friday job. It's just something I wanted to do.
It's a dream that I wanted to fulfill.

Speaker 34 You're using the past tense there. Do you still?

Speaker 34 Well, I have to get him burned this time. I don't think I'll be too quick to get burned again.
You know, so. You're not giving up on your dream, are you?

Speaker 34 Well, after this, I just might because it just ain't worth the aggravation. Hopefully, he will.

Speaker 32 Please stop for a second. That's not him on his shirt.
What is that on his shirt? It's just some guy with

Speaker 33 a life with a preserver that says Titanic Tony around his fucking neck. But maybe that's the only Titanic Tony shirt he can find, and he didn't have one to the budget to have one made.

Speaker 34 All right, Tony, thank you. I appreciate it.
Titanic Tony, good luck.

Speaker 34 Take it easy on Josephine. Hurry up.
Here they go. Martin did know that my son's back was bad because that was the first thing I told him all.
So he lied and caught it.

Speaker 34 Well, and he always comes to Martin Martin right now. Here comes the behemoth.
And here

Speaker 34 with his manager acting in Bundic like a nut.

Speaker 34 Guys. Captain Kirk.
We needed that. Captain Kirk, beam me up.
Wait, Mr. Spock.

Speaker 34 Calm down.

Speaker 34 As you were saying. Calm down.
Kirk wants to say something to you. We have a champion of New York.

Speaker 34 Is everything under control? Absolutely justice.

Speaker 34 What do you think everything is under control? Justice was served. And the Koch was very, very astute.
And he's a man of honor. You didn't take advantage of Titanic.

Speaker 33 The coch was very very astute the coch was very astute these are fat guys in their 40s playing wrestling promo

Speaker 33 and it it's they've done this in front of their vhs camera sort of like some of the kids on tv we see these days But they don't, they don't even have anything prepared.

Speaker 33 They're just trying to do it off the top of their head.

Speaker 32 This is likely the only time they've ever been on TV with their wrestling that they tell everyone they do. Well, hold on, let's go back to this, the end of it.

Speaker 34 Tony, did you? Not in the slightest. I gave him everything and top it off.
I became his friend, and he just pretty much,

Speaker 34 how can I say, well, didn't let me ask you a question. Didn't the Titanic sink the third night out too?

Speaker 34 Not only that, Kirk.

Speaker 34 I learned a lot from these lunatics. I mean, these guys.
And let me tell you, I've been in the business seven years, and it's been great. And watch this guy.

Speaker 34 In two years, he's going to be one of the greatest life players of all time. You can keep this in mind.
Thank you. We were fooled, but Judge Koch wasn't fooled.
All right.

Speaker 34 Josephine's got you documents right down the hallway.

Speaker 34 I tell Mr. Sewell, I want to say hello one day.
Okay, you watch me to reverse. Okay, that's Kurt, C-U-R-T.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 34 Okay.

Speaker 32 Harvey, back to you. Well,

Speaker 32 let's cut it there. What do you think of the promo ability of the behemoth and crazy Don Rock?

Speaker 33 This is the kind of videos that we would get. People would send it into the WWF office sometime that I would be watching every now and then that they legitimately thought they were

Speaker 33 somehow part of the conversation or needed to be. And it,

Speaker 33 you know, I can understand fooling yourself, but I can't understand anybody being fooled by some of these people.

Speaker 32 The Guardian Angel said he's been in the business seven years.

Speaker 32 These guys are, you know, these guys are real pros, but there it is: the People's Court, 1998.

Speaker 32 The behemoth, Crazy Don Rock, and of course,

Speaker 32 Titanic Tony.

Speaker 32 But, Jim, with that,

Speaker 33 yes. Where's this?

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