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Speaker 5 Hello again, friends! All friends, even our chuckling friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive-Thru right here.

Speaker 5 On another day, it may be cold or it may be just fine where you are. I'm your host, the great Brian Last.

Speaker 5 I really don't know what we're going to do today, but we're going to have fun doing it with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornette,

Speaker 5 Mr. Jim Cornette.

Speaker 6 Oh, good Lord. Thank you.
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 6 You lost a couple of them there early. You didn't go to do.

Speaker 6 You just kind of moved through it. So then you went back and added a couple of new ones to

Speaker 6 later on to take the place of the ones that you missed the first part of it. It still sounds similar, Brian, to what it sounds every week.
I will say that.

Speaker 6 It sounded pretty much more or less the same as it does every week.

Speaker 5 I'm an artist. I don't necessarily do it the same way every time.
If that's what you want, you're kind of a boring fan, but I think the fans of my musical stylings like the twists and turns.

Speaker 6 Well, there's definitely some twists and turns in there. So you, I've got you, I'm right there with you on that.

Speaker 6 And I'm just trying to warm up here. It may be fine somewhere, but

Speaker 6 it's an ill wind blowing,

Speaker 6 cold and wet and rainy, not only here in the metropolitan Louisville area. And I just told you a minute ago before we went on the air, I said it didn't used to be this cold when I was young.

Speaker 6 And I've been forced to turn the heat on in all parts of the house. And the office, I've got the office up to 67.

Speaker 6 I used to sweat when it was 67 degrees.

Speaker 6 And I'm here in a sweatshirt and rubbing my hands together. I'm going to set some notes on fire here on the desk to keep warm

Speaker 6 during the program today. But it's not as bad as Jamaica.
Have you seen this?

Speaker 6 Are you aware of what's going on or has gone on by the time the people

Speaker 6 will hear this in public? But as we're talking, Jamaica is fucked. Do you know about this?

Speaker 5 Do I know about the Category 5 hurricane? Hurricane Melissa? Yes.

Speaker 6 Well, that would be one of the things that's happening down there, you know, this week.

Speaker 5 Also, Category 5 is one of my favorite strains right now. A wonderful sativa.

Speaker 6 Well, they ain't going to have any strains of any kind of plants left on the whole island of Jamaica.

Speaker 5 Apparently, they're going to just rip them up at the roots okay did you hear the wind strength i did because i thought of you because you made some kind of comment about wind recently and then when i heard this like holy shit and now i knew it because of the cornet scale i think it was like 150 miles per hour

Speaker 6 no the melissa is going to be because the a tornado starts the f0 right the lowest that it can officially be a tornado i believe is 95 miles an hour

Speaker 6 And I've told the

Speaker 6 folks out there listening over the past few years, a number of close calls we've had, et cetera, et cetera. We had an E of EF2

Speaker 6 tornado just a little bit south of us

Speaker 6 last year or whenever, and that was winds of up to,

Speaker 6 I think, 135, 140 miles an hour, maybe.

Speaker 6 And that

Speaker 6 tore up an industrial park and just leveled trees and shit. And,

Speaker 6 but the thing about the tornadoes is they're only on the ground for

Speaker 6 a long track tornado is miles, but it can be hundreds of yards and it might only be

Speaker 6 500 feet wide or 1,000 or 1,500 feet wide, whatever.

Speaker 6 The winds in Jamaica sustained 175 with gusts of 215.

Speaker 6 And sustained over a wide area, ongoing, just sheer gets continuing to go.

Speaker 6 It's not like moving through and bip.

Speaker 6 So, how the fuck is it?

Speaker 6 They said it's the

Speaker 6 strongest hurricane that'll ever hit Jamaica since they started recording hurricanes.

Speaker 6 And I don't know how anything can stand up

Speaker 6 natural or man-made with 200-mile wind gusts.

Speaker 5 And looking at the map here, it'll hit Cuba right after that. So the path of destruction is not going to end with Jamaica.
It may not be a category five in Cuba, but it's going to hit pretty hard.

Speaker 5 Have you ever been?

Speaker 5 I guess you would have been living in the Carolinas. I was going to say, have you ever been through a hurricane?

Speaker 6 Yes, Willow Hugo.

Speaker 6 No, Hugo. Son of a bitch.
Oh. No, I know.

Speaker 6 It was my birthday in what was it, 1989. I've told this story.
I won't bore the people, but I actually had

Speaker 6 because that was when TVS had taken over and they ran fewer shows, but I had not even taken it off purposely. I just had like three days off spent at home around my birthday in September that year.

Speaker 6 And Hurricane Hugo came through, and boom, electricity went out.

Speaker 6 And it was out for three fucking days. And it came back on while I was in my car driving to the airport to go back on the road.

Speaker 6 And I was eating my birthday cake in bed while the fucking storm raged over the top of us. My first wife and dogs were in the bathtub with a blanket over them.

Speaker 6 And I was sitting there eating a cake with a fucking fork in the dark, pissed off.

Speaker 6 So that was my birthday.

Speaker 5 You're saying it like there's a problem with eating cake with a fork. If it's not ice cream cake, what's the issue?

Speaker 6 No, I mean, the whole goddamn, I just took the whole goddamn cake and sat in bed and took a fork to it

Speaker 6 because I had no TV, I had no tapes, I had no electricity, I had no fucking goddamn light, I had no nothing.

Speaker 6 I'm only three days in fucking home,

Speaker 6 so I just took a fork to the cake.

Speaker 6 I didn't mean a piece of cake.

Speaker 5 When you were a kid, did you ever have like the Vern Ganya board game?

Speaker 6 Now, what now?

Speaker 5 I'm thinking of board games. Like, what can you do when there's no electricity? I'm thinking of board games, and I started out wrestling board games, and it's the Vern Gagne board game.

Speaker 6 Well, you know, when I was a kid, it wasn't a big deal to not have electricity. If the wind blew back in those days, if power would go out around here, but also

Speaker 6 had more than

Speaker 6 one day a month to spend at fucking home when I was a kid, so it wasn't as the time wasn't as crucial.

Speaker 6 So, do we have listeners in Jamaica?

Speaker 5 I'm sure we do. I don't know who or where.

Speaker 6 I don't know if they're going to be hearing this by the time.

Speaker 6 How will there be any power lines or infrastructure?

Speaker 6 Good heavens. Well, good luck.

Speaker 5 Anyway, this is a happy show so far.

Speaker 6 Well, let's talk about

Speaker 6 something happy then. It's your show.

Speaker 6 I'm just trying to report on what's going on in the world.

Speaker 5 And I just got a breaking news email. Category five, Hurricane Melissa makes landfall in Jamaica, bringing catastrophic floods, storm surge, and winds.

Speaker 5 All right. Well,

Speaker 5 I don't think we're going to have any updates on that, but good luck to everyone. And I'm sure Hurricane Melissa will continue her path of destruction.

Speaker 5 I don't know why I'm hearing the Almond Brothers Melissa.

Speaker 5 I swear to God, I was at this sweet Melissa.

Speaker 5 It's so inappropriate for this, but that's what I'm hearing in my head.

Speaker 6 You can't hear, well, you can't hear the name Melissa without thinking about the Almond brothers. But

Speaker 6 Alan Wright, the producer at Tennessee Production Center,

Speaker 6 when I would do the

Speaker 6 spots

Speaker 6 for the upcoming tours or events or whatever, we'd put music in the background. We just played whatever the fuck we wanted, as I've mentioned many times in Smogy Mountain Wrestling, because.

Speaker 6 Ruben said, just do it until somebody says, stop.

Speaker 6 He said, I make rap records we take other people's actual recordings and reuse them he's

Speaker 6 so

Speaker 6 anyway

Speaker 6 i said put uh

Speaker 6 melissa behind and he showed me the

Speaker 6 you know not the vocal part but the instrumental and melissa because it was summer blast or whatever nice summary music just behind the announcement

Speaker 6 And he came, I can't remember what he put instead, but I said, why didn't you put the song I told you? He said, ah, shit, it's the Allman Brothers. All their songs are named after chicks.

Speaker 6 So I had to redo it. But anyway,

Speaker 6 I was thinking of Melissa.

Speaker 5 Right. What did you use Jessica for? I remember using Jessica on Smoky Mountain TV.

Speaker 6 For another one of the

Speaker 6 it probably was

Speaker 6 another one of the

Speaker 6 summer tours or the various tours. We just used the nice southern rock background, instrumental backgrounds in the spots.

Speaker 6 Added a flavor to it. Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
It wasn't goddamn Portland, Oregon wrestling.

Speaker 6 They don't have anybody named Melissa in Portland, Oregon.

Speaker 5 I don't know about that. I don't know why I'm thinking about this, but you brought up Smoky Mountain Wrestling, and I'm thinking of Smoky Mountain music videos.

Speaker 5 One of the first ones I saw as a tape trader was the end of 1992, the Rock and Roll Express that the boys are back in town.

Speaker 6 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 5 They had just reunited and gotten back together. And it made me think, you know, their theme music for you was Old Time Rock and Roll by Bob Seeger.

Speaker 5 And I think for a while in WCW, they had

Speaker 5 your mama don't dance and your daddy don't rock and roll, but it wasn't the Laggins and Messina, it was like poison or something.

Speaker 6 Yeah, who know that?

Speaker 5 And of course, Rock and Roll is King in the early days and

Speaker 5 the awful boogie-woogie dance hall, which the less said, the better.

Speaker 6 Well, they only played that for like two months when they were selling the fucking fan club memberships.

Speaker 5 What do you think is their best theme song? And were you okay with the Bob Seeger song? Did you think that was the right thing? Did you have any like thoughts?

Speaker 5 I should go back to what they used in Mid-South or what were your thoughts on their thing?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 6 Well, first of all, when you mentioned that video, I fucking laughed. I was like, oh, God, because I sat up

Speaker 6 all night from like

Speaker 6 10 or 11 o'clock one night until 7 o'clock the next morning. I've edited that video myself on the offline on the three-quarter inch humatic decks that I could work.
I couldn't work the one-inch shit.

Speaker 6 So instead of paying the editor for, I saw it in my head and I could work that shit. So they just let me sit in there one night and say, well, we'll see you in the morning.

Speaker 6 And I put that thing together, but I remember my eyes bleeding over trying to get the double drop kick to match that.

Speaker 6 whatever the

Speaker 5 it was

Speaker 5 by the way it was a good video because it really got you like pumped up to see them reunite

Speaker 6 well see that was the whole idea

Speaker 6 is that

Speaker 6 the rock and roll express in 1982

Speaker 6 or 83 rather i'm sorry 82 they didn't exist as a team but in 83

Speaker 6 the The first music was Rock and Roll is King, E-L-O, which I'm pretty sure was on the goddamn radio at that point, or just had been, right? It's not like they were originally playing old music,

Speaker 6 and then

Speaker 6 it evolved over time. In mid-South,

Speaker 6 for a while, they used jump by Van Halen. And I don't,

Speaker 6 at least on house shows, as I recall.

Speaker 6 And they played with it a little bit. And what were they using in Crockett now? I've goddamn, I've lost that.

Speaker 5 before Boogie Woogie Dance Hall.

Speaker 6 Uh, no, and as I said, they only used that for a short period of time. They had

Speaker 6 goddamn now, I've stumped you and me about the Rock and Roll Express music and for Jim Crockett.

Speaker 5 I was still thinking Rock and Roll is King, but I guess I'm wrong.

Speaker 6 Were they? Well, they

Speaker 6 did a few different things, right?

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 for the purpose of your question, for Smoky Mountain Wrestling, their fans, it had only been in 1992 when they reunited there in Smoky Mountain.

Speaker 6 It had only been six years since they had debuted on, or five or seven years since they debuted on TBS television and blah, blah, blah, and been hot.

Speaker 6 But they'd been away for a few years. Ricky did his thing.
When he was under contract, they made him a heel with the York Foundation.

Speaker 6 Robert had injured his knee and had surgery and been off for that period of time.

Speaker 6 The people finally get to see him back together, but instead of doing the same thing,

Speaker 6 it was perfect

Speaker 6 because they were a little older and they weren't necessarily

Speaker 6 the

Speaker 6 Sean Cassidy or fucking Laf Garrett teeny bopper idols that they had been in the 80s, but they were still the rock and roll express, they were still in their 30s, but now they like that old-time rock and roll,

Speaker 6 and it was an upgrade. It was a

Speaker 6 we remember these guys, and they were massively over, and it isn't that long, but they've evolved a little bit.

Speaker 6 And the you know, the

Speaker 6 20-year-old kids can do the heavy metal stuff, but we like that old-time rock and roll,

Speaker 6 the kind of music that soothes soothes your soul. And so it was perfect.

Speaker 5 Going back to Mid-South, how over they were, specifically with a younger demographic and a female demographic.

Speaker 5 Were you surprised or disappointed when they returned from Memphis with mustaches?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I think it's because wasn't that when fucking David Lee Roth had a goddamn mustache or something? Somebody, once again, that was that their Van Halen period.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I don't remember David Lee Roth's mustache. I must have missed that period.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, one of the again,

Speaker 6 there was somebody in a hot and a band with a mustache.

Speaker 6 And then

Speaker 6 it didn't make them. I don't know.
They needed those baby faces, baby.

Speaker 6 And well, look at Riggie Morton now, especially. He looks,

Speaker 6 you know, again,

Speaker 6 he's timeless.

Speaker 6 I'm not saying he can go out there and hurricane Rana, although he's, well, he still does, actually. God damn it.
What am I saying?

Speaker 6 Not like he used to maybe 45 years ago or whatever.

Speaker 6 But the Rock and Roll Express was, it kind of morphed from the teeny bopper idols in the 80s to the veteran babyface legends.

Speaker 6 in the 90s that had proven themselves and had a name,

Speaker 6 but they were still, it was the old-time rock and roll. It was a natural evolution with the music, and they had grown up a little bit, but they still

Speaker 6 sold, Ricky Morton sold like Ricky Morton, and they were still double drop kicking.

Speaker 5 Hey, one last Rock and Roll Express question going back to 83.

Speaker 5 We know about Watts coming to Memphis and seeing you, and then seeing Bobby and Dennis and putting you guys together.

Speaker 5 Did he see Ricky Morton that night, or when was the first time he saw Ricky morton because when you think of 84

Speaker 5 ricky morton may be the embodiment of someone who's the opposite of a bill watts style wrestler yet he got over big and watts obviously went with it and it worked really well i'm just curious about his early exposure to the way ricky morton worked and the way he got a crowd riled up oh god damn it i got hold on i'm getting off headset It sounds like he's going to one of his books.

Speaker 5 I'm sure we'll talk about his newest book shortly. This is a little tip chat.

Speaker 6 Ha, there we go. I got to scoot my chair in here.
Why you got my chair run down slow, Ron?

Speaker 6 I'm going to go to that night's card in Memphis because I'm pretty sure the Rock and Roll Express were on it as well.

Speaker 6 And good Lord, it's so dark, Brian, because of the weather.

Speaker 6 Yes, the Rock and Roll Express were

Speaker 6 on the card because they were working a program with the Bruce Brothers.

Speaker 6 So they were on a card two weeks in a row there.

Speaker 6 And, but wait, and before the, where was it the week? No, it was the week before. Yes, point is, yes, they were, they worked with the Bruise Brothers every week for like a fucking month.

Speaker 6 But the point is,

Speaker 6 Watts understood

Speaker 6 that this new MTV thing

Speaker 6 was hot and that these young guys, and he saw the girls in the crowd in the Memphis shows screaming for these young guys coming to the ring with rock and roll music. And

Speaker 6 so he got the concept, obviously.

Speaker 6 And when you look at Riggie Morton,

Speaker 6 just have a match at that point in time, you could see that he was the key to

Speaker 6 getting the sympathy on the team because of the way he could sell. And Watts understood the concept of babyface selling.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I think you asked some phrase of question of where did Ricky get it from or what exactly did you say?

Speaker 5 Just in terms of Watts seeing that, it was a very different style of work than what he had had in that territory over the last several years at a minimum since it had been mid-South wrestling.

Speaker 5 Ricky Morton was smaller, wrestled a more exciting style. It was all very different.

Speaker 5 And not every booker adapts well to something that's different from what their obvious preferences are, which were big guys.

Speaker 6 Well, he had a territory full of big guys. He was losing money.

Speaker 6 They were big old guys or stale guys or guys that were being presented in the same fashion he'd been doing. And again, Watts was

Speaker 6 a businessman.

Speaker 6 And so he saw the next territory over.

Speaker 6 Jesus Christ, look at other people are jumping up and down.

Speaker 6 There's tons of young people and lots of women.

Speaker 6 The matches are exciting. And the thing about Watts is he could recognize somebody that could work.

Speaker 6 And that's why when he saw Dennis Condry and Bobby Eaton,

Speaker 6 again, not

Speaker 6 Well, Dennis had back in those days had some size on him, but not like 280 pounds, but he was 235 or so and was working out.

Speaker 6 We got to Louisiana. Nobody had time to go to fucking bed, much less the gym.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 he,

Speaker 6 Watts understood guys able to work and he saw what you could do with them

Speaker 6 in his head.

Speaker 6 And then obviously needing a booker, wanting,

Speaker 6 you know, eventually making the deal there with Dundee to be the booker, he knew he needed a new direction and he saw something that was working right down the road.

Speaker 6 But Ricky grew up around a business because of his father, Paul, being a

Speaker 6 in an old-time

Speaker 6 old back in the old days, Paul wrestled a bit, dabbled with it, but he was a referee, hauled the rings, he worked in the offices.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 when Ricky started, I saw some of his

Speaker 6 very early matches, and

Speaker 6 he was, he might have been 175 pounds. He was the exception.
He was even smaller than Jerry Jarrett used to get laughed at at 195.

Speaker 6 That little kid.

Speaker 6 But he instantly could work not only his offense, but his selling. And

Speaker 6 because he was smaller, he knew he had to sell big and he had to, and he had to use

Speaker 6 the lack of size to get sympathy from the fans that these big bullies were just kicking the shit out of him and then they would get behind the comebacks when he started making them because they wanted to see him already it was you know and

Speaker 6 so he mastered that

Speaker 6 but it worked better in a tag team setting where

Speaker 6 I mean, after you get the shit kicked out of you like that, you can't really make your own comeback. So he was able to make the tag and the hot tag became a thing.

Speaker 6 And then Robert would come in and he had that fire. And in his younger days, he could, he could,

Speaker 6 Robert

Speaker 6 was an exceptional worker when he was younger. It was just he was next to Ricky doing all that selling.

Speaker 6 And then he started having back problems from all the crazy bumps he used to take when he was young.

Speaker 6 But he had the fire to make the comeback and the blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 And then, you know,

Speaker 6 that was the formula and it worked and the people loved it. But

Speaker 6 Watts could see that.

Speaker 6 And he also could see when he came to Memphis that they were loaded with talent and much of it was being misused because that was Lawler's thing is he could say no to anybody when he was the booker.

Speaker 6 Yeah, come on in.

Speaker 6 He had 40 guys on a fucking card. That's why Jared could afford to lose a dozen and he still had sometimes two cards a night.

Speaker 6 But he said these guys are just in the wrong position or not being featured or

Speaker 6 focused on because the Rock and Roll Express were the B babyface team underneath the fabulous ones.

Speaker 6 And I was the B manager underneath Jimmy Hart.

Speaker 6 And Dennis and Bobby were not even

Speaker 6 teaming at the time. Dennis was teaming with Norvell Austin as a heel, and Bobby was a babyface just kind of floating around

Speaker 6 because he'd been there so long. People had seen Bobby Eaton,

Speaker 6 but they hadn't seen the combinations that Watts wanted to put together in his head in his territory.

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Speaker 5 All right. Well, get that book.
Mine just arrived. Very happy to see it.
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Speaker 6 Well, yes. As a matter of fact, the people are tired of hearing me talk about how great the book is.
Now that you've actually seen one, you can talk about how great the book is.

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Speaker 6 I should have known to watermark all the pages of the book I sent you.

Speaker 5 Jim, a few follow-ups before we get to some of the topics and questions and everything else. One, we talked talked recently about the show Taxi.
Did it have the best cast in television sitcom history?

Speaker 6 And that was not in my opinion. Somebody asked that question.

Speaker 5 We both forgot to mention Christopher Lloyd as being one of the cast members, Reverend Jim Ignatowski. I don't know how we forgot that, but the listeners sure didn't.
And they let us know.

Speaker 5 You can't mention Taxi without Reverend Jim. Any thoughts on Christopher Lloyd?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 6 No particular thoughts because

Speaker 6 I watched taxi. I don't even remember when we were, what prompted this.
Somebody asked us that, and we went off on other shows that I believe had better.

Speaker 6 And many people mentioned Seinfeld, of course, which was perfect. Always Sunny, which is kind of perfect because that was their thing,

Speaker 6 et cetera. But down through history, there have been greater casts.
But

Speaker 6 yeah, Christopher Lloyd did some, especially the Back to the Future stuff. He did some funny things.
But again, what is the

Speaker 6 reverence

Speaker 6 for this taxi subset of the community going on here doing the PR work for taxi 40 years after the fact? I liked Andy Kaufman,

Speaker 6 and Danny DeVito, I like better and always sunny.

Speaker 6 many of the movies that he's done. So now they're just beating the shit out of this taxi thing.
It's ticking me off.

Speaker 5 Well, that's the update on that, I guess. And

Speaker 5 Jim, another

Speaker 5 update here. Well, I don't even know if updates the right word, but we've heard from a lot of listeners.
Wanted to get your thoughts on the passing of Sir Mo, Mo from Men on a Mission, Bobby Horn.

Speaker 5 Any thoughts on this?

Speaker 6 Well, yes. And several people had tweeted, I can't believe they didn't.
And actually, it was

Speaker 6 something that

Speaker 6 happened in the midst of our recordings.

Speaker 6 It happened in the middle and it just got lost in our shuffle. So we apologize.

Speaker 6 But no, I've got nothing bad to say about Sir Mo.

Speaker 6 I actually,

Speaker 6 I'm going to say,

Speaker 6 had they come into

Speaker 6 the WWF yet when I started there? They started shortly around the same time, did they not?

Speaker 5 He and Mabel. Summer of 93, yeah.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 5 And Oscar.

Speaker 6 And, well, and Oscar. And Oscar wasn't really

Speaker 6 with them. They had been partners on the Indies, and I think it worked Memphis.

Speaker 6 Mo and Mabel. And then Oscar,

Speaker 6 bless him, what a character he was. But he had

Speaker 6 just jumped out and done some kind of rap when Vince was in Las Vegas or someplace out of an elevator. And Vince said, Well,

Speaker 6 get that guy's number or something like that. I don't know.

Speaker 6 But nevertheless,

Speaker 6 and that was really the only time

Speaker 6 that I was around Mo was during the period of time there, what, 93 to 95-ish in the WWF. Nice guy,

Speaker 6 he never had any issues. Mabel was the one that had heat with various people.

Speaker 6 But at the same time, I didn't even, you know, really have any

Speaker 6 great anecdotes or, you know, well, back in the day when we did this angle type of thing, I just, I hate to hear that. He was a young, youngish

Speaker 6 fellow to have all these health issues for the last 20 years or whatever.

Speaker 5 I think he looked older than he was. At least when I was a kid, I thought he looked a lot older than Mabel.

Speaker 6 Well, now that's

Speaker 6 Mabel wasn't exactly a goddamn

Speaker 6 cosmetically pleasing individual. That was part of his visual charm.
But he was kind of ageless. You didn't really know how old he was.
You're just like, fuck, look at that.

Speaker 6 But yeah, and Mo may have got started late. I don't know.

Speaker 5 All right. Well, Bobby Horn to his friends and family, we send our sympathies and our best wishes.

Speaker 6 And, you know, he was probably the guy

Speaker 6 out of the team, especially considering Oscar, that wanted to be in the wrestling business more than, you know, the rest of them.

Speaker 6 He was really dedicated and tried to, you know, do different things and stuff, but it just, I think maybe he was typecast.

Speaker 6 Like, you know,

Speaker 6 that's kind of the gimmick that everybody saw him with, and he couldn't get out of it.

Speaker 6 But anyway.

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Speaker 5 As I'm sure you're very aware, a lot of the listeners have been sending in emails, culta cornet, posts, tweets, everything about a topic before we get to modern wrestling reviews, whatever there is of that today.

Speaker 5 Word came out over the weekend

Speaker 5 that allegedly, and I'm not up to date on everything. I've seen some video just recently, but apparently, Vince Russo, the word was that he was going to be the booker for the NWA,

Speaker 5 which seemed to be surprising news. And then a day or so later, it came out that that isn't the case.

Speaker 5 He is apparently, allegedly, who knows what's at work and what isn't anymore, the The new booker and investor

Speaker 5 in the Insane Clown Posse's wrestling promotion. What do you know? What do you say?

Speaker 6 Well, first of all, if I was Billy Corgan, I believe I'd sue Dave Meltzer for slander.

Speaker 5 It's like this. Is that where it came from? It came from Melzer?

Speaker 6 Apparently,

Speaker 6 because,

Speaker 6 and see, once again,

Speaker 6 this blows up to be a big story, but what is the old saying that it's the sum is greater than the whole of the parts or whatever the fuck?

Speaker 6 There's a lot of people here involved who have been doing shit that nobody knew was going on.

Speaker 6 And like the apparently the insane clown posse have a wrestling promotion that does a television, does a TV show, but can it be a TV show if it's not on TV?

Speaker 6 But they do a show.

Speaker 5 I mean, do that, is it a current show that already exists? I've never seen or heard about it. I know they have a promotion that runs like a show a year, I thought.

Speaker 6 But that's well, no, I mean, because the clip

Speaker 6 that is going around

Speaker 6 that we'll get to in a minute, that's from their show. And apparently, they've been doing a show somewhere that is seen somewhere.
So that's number one thing.

Speaker 6 And then, number two, nobody's been paying any attention to our friend Vinny Rue anymore.

Speaker 6 And so he wants to drum up some publicity. And then

Speaker 6 Uncle Dave apparently got fed

Speaker 6 some kind of half-assed partial information and was assuming, or so, and when you assume you make an ass out of you and me,

Speaker 6 he apparently blurted out on one of his shows: well,

Speaker 6 if it's like the NWA, well, nobody's watching the NWA anyway, which is true also.

Speaker 6 The NWA still does a show somewhere that airs somehow.

Speaker 6 But that combination of Uncle Dave saying that about shit stain and being,

Speaker 6 it was enough, there was some recognition at the NWA,

Speaker 6 because also then there's the,

Speaker 6 you put Russo and NWA together, and then there's the sacrilegiousness and the blasphemy of the worst,

Speaker 6 you know, fornicator and and sinner ever against the wrestling business, being elected to the, you know, the Vatican and popedom of the last bastion of wrestling credibility, the NWA in people's minds.

Speaker 6 And that was just something that got people going.

Speaker 6 But when everybody settled down,

Speaker 6 damn it,

Speaker 6 Vince Russo announced that he had worked the dirt sheet writers again and laughed about Uncle Dave saying that he'd gone back into the wrestling business with the NWA.

Speaker 6 When that's not it,

Speaker 6 he's back in the wrestling business with the insane clown posse. This shit writes itself.

Speaker 6 And not only is he back in business with it, but he's saying

Speaker 6 in capital letters on Twitter from one thing that I saw somebody tweeted that he is an investor.

Speaker 6 I'm an invest. Can you say it like he does? Investor?

Speaker 5 Investor. How would he do it? Investor.
I don't know how he would do it. Invest.
I guess invest would be the two words.

Speaker 6 Investor, where that's where you put the pronunciation. But nevertheless, the drive over the E, he's an investor in the Insane Clown Posse Wrestle, which

Speaker 6 they used to actually call champion shit wrestling that was one of the names they used at one point when they get their

Speaker 6 friendly clowns together and have the

Speaker 6 gathering of the gigolos and

Speaker 6 it it

Speaker 6 he's champion

Speaker 6 wrestling has evolved into

Speaker 6 what is it lunatic wrestling or it's

Speaker 6 Oh, what was the name of it? Insanity?

Speaker 5 It was something in the background. It was like...

Speaker 6 Illiteracy?

Speaker 6 Well, nevertheless.

Speaker 6 So now let's examine this.

Speaker 6 They've gotten some publicity because it, again, this stuff writes itself and it's just the preposterousness of it.

Speaker 6 But then he goes a step further. Oh, Mr.
Russo,

Speaker 6 and reveals that, bro, I've already written

Speaker 6 nine hours of television.

Speaker 6 Nine hours of television. And right off the bat, bro, guess what we're going to do?

Speaker 6 Have you heard his three ideas

Speaker 6 for the revolutionary, groundbreaking

Speaker 6 new television show he's going to write that ain't on television?

Speaker 5 No, I haven't, other than the clip that went around of him coming out, I've not seen like ideas or anything. No.

Speaker 6 Oh, yes. Well, there, there's the clip going around is his friend,

Speaker 6 remember Vito?

Speaker 6 We talked about him a while back when he called me and pestered me on my private number at home in Connecticut in 1996, trying to get booked.

Speaker 6 And he was the guy that when we read the thing that Russo wrote in the fan bulletin in 92, he's trying to get him booked.

Speaker 6 This is 30 fucking three years later.

Speaker 6 And there's Vito in the ring throwing these fake fucking looking punches on some guy

Speaker 6 in this room in front of people who are kind of like, well, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 There's 200 of them or whatever.

Speaker 6 And out comes

Speaker 6 Russo looking like Father Christmas. What the fuck? Or Grizzly Adams, Dan Haggerty.

Speaker 6 Is that what he got from the Colorado experience? Is he looks like the wolfman.

Speaker 6 I don't mean Lon Cheney, I mean Jack.

Speaker 5 Lon Cheney Jr.

Speaker 6 Can you, well, can you, but still, can you

Speaker 6 is he going through a wolfman-jack phase?

Speaker 5 No, he had an audience.

Speaker 5 Nevertheless, coast to coast nationwide, he had an audience.

Speaker 6 Russo comes out as a screams, no, Vito, get off him. I told you, we're not going to do it this way.

Speaker 6 And then it goes, that's the clip being circulated that how he revealed him and when he walks out

Speaker 6 the room is dead silent

Speaker 6 and at first i thought that

Speaker 6 that they just really don't care that he's back right and then i realized nobody even recognized who the it was

Speaker 6 and then somebody in the back of the room

Speaker 6 starts to try to get off after about 20 seconds. Holy shit, holy shit going.
and that's how long it lasted. Three holy shits.
And it was dead quiet again.

Speaker 6 But the ideas, Bright, you have not heard the ideas.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Number one, he says, he said, bro,

Speaker 6 right off the bat, we're going to be doing this in the first nine hours of the TV.

Speaker 6 Somebody's going to get concussed.

Speaker 6 And then we're going to put them

Speaker 6 and we're going to put them in the concussion protocol

Speaker 5 what does that mean i don't say wait in kfab someone's gonna get concussed and put yeah the concussion protocol with the concussion protocol is a test you take yeah well it not only the the test you take but the the time apparently they're gonna this brilliant idea is to

Speaker 6 Somebody's going to get a working concussion and then somebody's going to tell them they can't wrestle and I got to have they're going to we're going to see them have the brain scan, and we're going to see them do rehab or wait the time out or whatever, and talk to their doctor,

Speaker 6 which is a great

Speaker 6 30 seconds or a minute update on a top star on a weekly basis, or a nice

Speaker 6 three, four-minute package on you know, leading to someone's return. But

Speaker 6 this is not revolutionary, groundbreaking goddamn television, especially for the insane clown posse.

Speaker 6 He just described, okay, we're going to do a fucking vignette.

Speaker 6 But the second idea I think is better, Brian,

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 they're going to drug test.

Speaker 6 That's a good story. On television.
No,

Speaker 6 they're going to, it's going to be part of the deal. They're going to drug test and they're going to

Speaker 6 have the guy that does the drug test stand there and watch the guys piss and say, because we want to make sure you ain't using any fake piss.

Speaker 5 Let me stop you for a bit because these ideas are not really traditional wrestling TV ideas. I'm a little confused by the whole thing.
It's like

Speaker 5 WWE LFG meets a brick wall. I'm not sure exactly.

Speaker 5 Even if these ideas were great and if I understood them, if you're a booker, why would you be announcing what you're going to do like this before anything has happened?

Speaker 6 Well, because he, hold on, I will psychoanalyze him in a minute, but he wants this, this is what he's leading with. This is like,

Speaker 6 this is the shit he thinks will get people interested in seeing his vision of this product. He thinks that people want to tune in to watch guys.

Speaker 6 standing there with their pants around their ankles with another guy watching them piss in a fucking bottle on a weekly basis

Speaker 6 who's gonna get once again what is this is it a weekly segment and now let's go back to the pisser let's find out what's happening this week with the pecker checker

Speaker 6 yeah

Speaker 6 how is that more once you've established that that's what you're doing and you've and you even if you've seen it one time or you've just been alluded to

Speaker 6 How does that take up any ongoing television time?

Speaker 6 And the only way you can bring it into the storylines is if

Speaker 6 people start flunking the fucking tests

Speaker 6 and then,

Speaker 6 well,

Speaker 6 how do you flunk a test and be in an angle at the same time? If you flunk the test, don't you have to go the fuck away?

Speaker 5 And apparently the name of the show, and again, I've never heard of this and I don't know where it airs.

Speaker 5 I've heard that they've done wrestling shows, but it's JCW Juggalo Championship Wrestling Lunacy. That's the name of the program.
Lunacy. We've We've had everything in wrestling.
Now, this.

Speaker 6 Well, and the third idea, I think, has the most legs to it because I can see this thing being a major part of anything that any one hour of television that Vince Russo would write.

Speaker 6 I would think this would probably dominate a half an hour of it on a weekly basis for months and months and months. And I'm sure there's just wonderful details to follow.
But he said, bro,

Speaker 6 one of the female wrestlers is going to lose power.

Speaker 6 So she me too's somebody.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 6 I can't wait to see how all that might turn out. I was going to say from our friend.

Speaker 5 For it to be classic Russo, like there has to be some kind of thing. I'm going to have two hot girls yell at each other and call each other sluts.
But there hasn't been any of that yet.

Speaker 6 Well, no, no, because I'm sure the Me Too girl

Speaker 6 is going to change the whole face of the game rather from instead of they're not going to fight with each other, it'll be the men versus the women.

Speaker 6 And we all know what side that Vince has been on for quite some time now.

Speaker 6 Matter of fact, I understand his border crossing privileges have been revoked.

Speaker 5 Oh, come on now. That may not be true, but the show that I'm looking at.

Speaker 6 May not be false either. You don't know.

Speaker 5 It's a very interesting look. When you come out on the little stage they have there, there's a DJ on the left and on the right of the commentators.
It appears to be a man in a suit.

Speaker 5 I don't know who it is. with a juggalo.
So there's a clown on commentary.

Speaker 5 You thought Excalibur was bad, Jim. Excalibur.

Speaker 6 They're only doing it figuratively over at AEW. They're literal over it.
And let's talk about the investor portion.

Speaker 6 Because at first, I smelled something

Speaker 6 with the first quote that I saw from

Speaker 6 Russo was that I have written nine episodes of television.

Speaker 6 He didn't say anybody asked him to. He says he'd written them, you know.
So

Speaker 6 I was wondering is he just trying to float the here's some episodes of TV if anybody wants them.

Speaker 6 And that's when Uncle Dave was running with the idea that he's been hired by the NWA. He hasn't even been hired, wink wink,

Speaker 6 by the clowns. He's apparently bought in.
So on the surface of this thing,

Speaker 6 he's been wanting to write people's TVs for 20 years. He's been asking company after company to either bring him back or bring him in to write this goddamn

Speaker 6 these masterpieces that he's got in his head.

Speaker 6 And finally,

Speaker 6 according to at least the story that they are presenting, the only one that would do it is the one he has to buy into.

Speaker 6 I bought part of the company. Can I write TV for you now? He's like the wrestling equivalent of the producer's girlfriend.

Speaker 5 And buying it could be anything. It could be $500.
It could be $5,000.

Speaker 5 I can't imagine it'll be much more than $5,000, but it could be.

Speaker 6 I can't imagine it'd be much more than $500. But here's the thing.

Speaker 6 I've said many things

Speaker 6 about

Speaker 6 Vince Russo. And that's just to make sure there's no confusion.
That's why I'm using his government name instead of his more familiar name of shitstain here on this segment here.

Speaker 6 So we don't confuse any of the kids.

Speaker 6 I've said a lot of things about him, but I don't even believe

Speaker 6 that Vince Russo is stupid enough

Speaker 6 at this age, at this stage of his game.

Speaker 6 when he's been asking for jobs for years that haven't come

Speaker 6 to put any sizable amount or really any amount of his own money

Speaker 6 into any wrestling promotion, much less run one run

Speaker 6 by the insane clown posse.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 I don't know where he would

Speaker 6 see that he was going to get a return on his goddamn investment unless he's completely lost his mind and thinks he is the second coming of goddamn Tutzmont.

Speaker 6 So I don't see why that,

Speaker 6 and we've established that Vinny Rue is even older than I am.

Speaker 6 Certainly, the way he looks, he's,

Speaker 6 I think he's a year older and he looks 10 years older.

Speaker 6 But he's not going to fucking put any goddamn money that he

Speaker 6 can't afford to just throw away

Speaker 6 into a fucking indie wrestling promotion. But this is some kind of deal that he's concocted in his head

Speaker 6 where he can get more attention

Speaker 6 because he's going to be some kind of goddamn authority figure or puppet master or pulling the strings in the background.

Speaker 6 Or

Speaker 6 as when he comes out in the ring and grabs one of the wrestlers and says, I told you we're not going to be doing it this way.

Speaker 6 So he's going to be telling people what to do.

Speaker 6 And that's his K-Fabe

Speaker 6 cover reason for being able to do that. He's got money in the company.
It's a fucking work. It's bullshit.

Speaker 5 Maybe I'm wrong, and I can't remember what it was that triggered it.

Speaker 5 Didn't Vince Russo announce at some point in like the last year and a half that he was done with wrestling, that he quit the wrestling business? He's officially not interested in coming back.

Speaker 5 What was it? I can't remember what.

Speaker 6 He gave a fucking deadline.

Speaker 6 I think it was the end of this year.

Speaker 6 It was like, yeah, I'll officially, I'm not going to watch you this stuff. I'm going to officially be done.

Speaker 6 But no,

Speaker 6 again, I don't know what they may be paying him, the clowns, because the insane clown posse

Speaker 6 apparently does have money at its disposal. Because whatever the fuck it is that those people do, they've been doing it for quite some time.

Speaker 6 And there are a lot of strange people that fucking enjoy it. We established that long ago.
That's why they decided to dabble in wrestling and being marks.

Speaker 6 They do bad outlaw indie garbage deathmatch wrestling and other assorted bullshit.

Speaker 6 And all the

Speaker 6 many of the legends that I

Speaker 6 used to know or actually still do know, I haven't forgotten about them.

Speaker 6 But of my generation were like, oh, yeah, they'll pay you and they'll do this and they'll do that. But you're wrestling in a goddamn mud field in front of the grandchildren of the woodstock generation

Speaker 6 but nevertheless they got money

Speaker 6 so he may have sold them on some who shot john bullshit

Speaker 6 well i'll come in and i'll be the authority figure and i'll write the tv and because

Speaker 6 you people

Speaker 6 meaning the clowns have such a goddamn unsavory reputation and people think i'm a goddamn just giant massive turd

Speaker 6 then it'll get attention and we'll all get attention.

Speaker 6 And that's, you know, apparently what they're doing. And everybody's giving it attention because it's so preposterous.

Speaker 5 I'm sure they're going to get a big media rights deal.

Speaker 5 By the way, the footage I see here, there's like saran wrap, not saran wrap, but it's like

Speaker 5 plastic wrap around part. Do they do like a Gallagher thing where they like spray the audience or something?

Speaker 6 No, I think they were, they were covering something up that was in the camera shot of the upper walls, whether it be windows of a rec center or are they in a

Speaker 6 video game arcade and they're trying to cover lights, but they've they've kind of made like a tent over the top of this area they're shooting this television show in.

Speaker 5 This is a new Gallagher documentary. I really want to see it, but it's not available anywhere yet.
It's still like in select theaters, but he was a lunatic. I'm dying to see that documentary.

Speaker 6 I have seen Gallagher.

Speaker 5 Live? You saw him?

Speaker 6 Yes, and it was far enough back that I didn't get sprayed.

Speaker 5 When was this?

Speaker 6 I can't remember now.

Speaker 5 Where was this? God,

Speaker 6 it was in Las Vegas.

Speaker 6 But the question is, what year of time?

Speaker 5 LPWA? It has to be LPWA if you had time.

Speaker 6 Well, I'm thinking because I was out there a couple of times in the late 90s.

Speaker 5 With time to spare.

Speaker 6 I just remember

Speaker 6 seeing Gallagher. Or was it Charlotte?

Speaker 5 Or was it Gallagher 2? You sure it was Gallagher 1 or the original?

Speaker 6 No, there was, there was only, I'm old enough, there was only one Gallagher. Okay.

Speaker 6 Maybe it was Charlotte. I can't.
I just remember now. I've remembered that I saw Gallagher in person.

Speaker 5 Yeah, fascinating because he completely went off the rails and became like a nut.

Speaker 5 But like he gave his brother his gimmick so that he could have two Gallagher's touring at the same time because he was so afraid of Carrot Top.

Speaker 5 And then like he went to war and sued his brother that he couldn't call himself Gallagher anymore.

Speaker 6 I'm dying of that. We know their first names were Doc and Mike.

Speaker 5 No, it was not. No, those are the famous wrestling Gallagher brothers.

Speaker 6 Well, I just had that for you.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, we'll see what happens with Vince Russo and the Insane Clown posse. Of course, we wish them well.
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Speaker 5 We're going to talk about a lot of things currently happening in wrestling, or at least some things.

Speaker 5 Did want to make a couple mentions here. One, there's a new YouTube playlist for the show.
We filled up to capacity the previous Corny Clips and Cornette Clips playlists.

Speaker 5 So if you were someone, subscribe to one of those. The new one, and it's on our official Jim Cornette YouTube page, is official Jim Cornette clips.
Subscribe to that one in place of the other two.

Speaker 5 And any thoughts on that, Jim?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 wait a minute. Don't they still might want to go back and listen to something that we've done on one of these other here fancy damn playlists?

Speaker 6 They can still do that, can't they?

Speaker 5 You could certainly access it at any time, but there won't be any new additions to those playlists. They have filled up to capacity.

Speaker 6 We cannot because there's a wait a minute.

Speaker 6 There's a limit to how many videos that we can put up on a YouTube.

Speaker 5 No, there's a limit to how many videos you could put in a playlist on YouTube.

Speaker 6 Well, but it's all on our page.

Speaker 5 Right. It's just it has to be in multiple playlists if it fills up one playlist.

Speaker 6 Well, that sounds stupid.

Speaker 5 Well, it's not our rules. And of course, they must have their reason.
But if you wanted to follow the clips from beginning to end, you would start with one playlist.

Speaker 5 You would go to the second, the middle playlist that we just finished with, and and then you would start the new playlist.

Speaker 6 Well, when I click on the dagum YouTube page, it just has all of the clips right there all lined up in order that we put them on. I didn't know we were dealing with some kind of

Speaker 6 goddamn capacity here of some description.

Speaker 5 We're not dealing with it in terms of the videos, but in terms of the playlists, which are accessible again through that page that you're on right now, some people are subscribed to the playlist, and that's how they get their updates on what new videos have come out.

Speaker 5 sometimes i just don't understand you well again i think uh i hope i pray the audience understood some of that on the topic of things happening right now i'm not even sure what you're going to say here what have you watched in the last few days from wwe

Speaker 6 oh boy howdy um

Speaker 6 i saw a little bit of the smackdown

Speaker 6 Would you like me to tell you why I watched a little bit of the SmackDown first or why I didn't watch any of the Raw first? Which would you like to?

Speaker 5 Well, I guess I know we'll need another segment soon, but now let's talk about what you saw on SmackDown.

Speaker 6 Well, that was in chronological order.

Speaker 6 This was for this past Friday. And the reason why, again, it's not like there was anything newsworthy.

Speaker 6 You could have put the written description of this fucking television program on the Pony Express.

Speaker 6 and dropped it off by horse that routes along the way back east and it's there was nothing newsworthy. And this is underlying a bigger problem we may talk about.
But

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 Jay

Speaker 6 Uso got in a big pull apart with Drew McIntyre at the top of the program.

Speaker 6 Because, of course, you know, everybody's accusing

Speaker 6 Drew of

Speaker 6 whatever the fuck anybody did, hitting Jacob Fatu in the mouth with a baseball bat. I don't know what

Speaker 6 happened to cause that injury, but uh, so they got problems.

Speaker 6 And people were talking about Jade Cargill turned heel. She came out and saved Tiffany Stratton

Speaker 6 and then

Speaker 6 held her hand up and gave her belt back, did all that stuff, and it just beat the shit out of her all over ringside. And all the officials came out and pulled her off of her.

Speaker 6 But this is the question, Brian. Do you think, before we go any further,

Speaker 6 have they modified their expectations for Jade Cargill?

Speaker 6 Who,

Speaker 6 from all accounts and

Speaker 6 logic and thought, the way that they had presented was going to be like one of the faces of one of the women shows of one of the titles or whatever.

Speaker 6 And now they kind of moved her down and slowed it up. And now they're, well, let's see how she does as a heel.

Speaker 5 I mean, in some ways, you could say they've gone as far as they can with her as a babyface right now.

Speaker 5 She traditionally, when she wasn't really trained well and was in AEW,

Speaker 5 was a heel, and that kind of was the role she excelled at.

Speaker 5 She hasn't done that at all in WWE.

Speaker 5 Like I said, where else is she going to go as a babyface? Maybe it's time. She looked good, too.

Speaker 6 Well, that's visually, she's, you know, she's always very presentable. I mean, she, you know,

Speaker 6 she washes her hair and brushes her teeth. I'm not talking about that.
She looks great, but

Speaker 6 I'm thinking that they, they may have realized that maybe they had

Speaker 6 higher expectations

Speaker 6 to bring her in as the big baby face. And we're going to, right in the way, we're going to, or right away, we're going to.
Give her the rub with Bianca and all the top girls and blah, blah, blah. And

Speaker 6 she still can't. And now she's been with them as long as she was with AEW.

Speaker 6 When you count the fact that I think she only saw them once a week, where she's probably being trained in WWE

Speaker 6 more often. So

Speaker 6 I think now it's down to, well,

Speaker 6 it would be easier as a heel. She gets heat on some baby faces that can sell.

Speaker 6 Make her a big bully.

Speaker 6 I don't know that she's going to take to this.

Speaker 5 Her promos will be better.

Speaker 6 That's true. She's got that attitude.

Speaker 6 But anyway, I think they're trying to course correct now because maybe

Speaker 6 she's not going to be,

Speaker 6 you know, what they thought she was on a babyface side.

Speaker 6 Did you see?

Speaker 5 Go ahead. I'm all for it.
I think she's better as a heel. Even though, you know, AEW was AEW and she obviously was very limited in what she was doing in the ring.

Speaker 5 She was better as a heel character on this show than as Bianca's friend, and then is just upset because Naomi's mad at her.

Speaker 5 Like, nothing is really, she's lucky she's not, you know, under more than she is right now because they haven't given her much other than just being kind of number two to Bianca.

Speaker 5 And now you set her up to potentially wrestle babyface Bianca down the road.

Speaker 6 Hey, where is Bianca?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 6 Is she hurt?

Speaker 6 We know where Naomi's been.

Speaker 6 I wonder what happened to Bianca.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 bad time to be Bianca.

Speaker 5 Well, we don't know what time it is to be Bianca, but what else did you watch?

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 6 what time is it?

Speaker 6 Did you see Ilya?

Speaker 6 I keep wanting to call him Ilya Kuriakin now because I can't stop. Ilya Dragonov's promo.
Did you watch the the promo?

Speaker 5 I actually did not.

Speaker 6 This is where

Speaker 6 they need the announcers interviewing people.

Speaker 6 And I don't know why

Speaker 6 that they abandoned years ago that concept and just went to,

Speaker 6 I think it was

Speaker 6 obviously again, another thing that our friend Shitstain probably pioneered,

Speaker 6 but where the long solo monologue with the dramatic spotlight of whatever, instead of being a sporting television show and the announcer, the commentator interviewing the fucking athletes,

Speaker 6 Ilya has great natural

Speaker 6 likability, chemistry, charisma, the way he moves in his matches and the underdog thing and the feistiness

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 being Russian or whatever he, wherever he's from, that passes passes for Russia,

Speaker 6 English is a second language, but it does, he

Speaker 6 sounds about,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 five octaves or whatever lower than old Kyle Felcher does over in AEW.

Speaker 6 But it doesn't flow for him. The point is, when there was an announcer to help guys

Speaker 6 get over points and details without them having to do a long solo monologue where the guy could just come in and say certain things that he needed to say that

Speaker 6 benefited him, but not having to go on a long explanation.

Speaker 6 Do you see what I'm saying? It made it sound more legit and it picked up the fucking pace and got the information out.

Speaker 6 Do you miss those days like I do, Brian?

Speaker 5 You know, I've been thinking a lot about it. I thought we would talk about it later on, but we'll do it right now because, you know, we're just talking about Ilya here.

Speaker 5 We could talk about a bigger issue industry-wide, which are the promos.

Speaker 5 And for all the talk of like boring old wrestling tropes,

Speaker 5 maybe the worst and most boring are the tropes of Vince McMahon, which is this format that everyone has adopted.

Speaker 5 Everyone does. Go out there with a microphone and do your,

Speaker 5 you know, they do more than a stand-up comedian does. A stand-up comedian is not up there that long for their set sometimes.

Speaker 5 And they go up there and they recite something and it doesn't sound genuine. And

Speaker 5 I forget even what it was, but I was thinking about it recently with a feud that's on wrestling right now where

Speaker 5 you see face-to-face stuff. And we've seen a bunch of it recently with Adam Page and AEW.
We saw the Chris Statlander performance with Tony Storm a few weeks ago. CM Punk and Jey Uso.

Speaker 5 Like all these face-to-face things are happening.

Speaker 5 In what world is it not more effective to have one guy come out there, have an interview while hold the mic, and give them three minutes to flip out about their opponent?

Speaker 5 Or just, if that's their thing, maybe not everyone's going to scream or yell, but go out there and cut your opponent down in a way that doesn't hurt them, but makes people think, oh my God, I can't wait to hear what that other guy's going to say.

Speaker 6 Sell the match, sell the issue, sell the angle.

Speaker 5 Everything now is a limp confrontation where there's no reason why death couldn't happen, except two people are standing there deciding not to do it, but they agree they hate each other and they're going to do it soon.

Speaker 5 Like, it's just the stupidest thing. And I think, you know, the other problem is who does the interviewing? WWE has good interviewers.
AEW has Shiavani and Renee.

Speaker 5 Renee, who's like out there performing, trying to outperform actually in some cases, the wrestlers, and Shivani, who is just the frump in the back of the fucking, standing in the corner.

Speaker 6 Of the corner of frumpiness. well but and see that's part of it is that

Speaker 6 especially with the younger guys in obw or any television program that i've hosted over the decades that there's been so many but you get with the guy and go okay what are we talking about here and then i come up with i'm gonna here's my lead-in question i'm gonna come to you with this you'll say something about that and then i will let me ask you this we got two or three questions and some ability to go back and forth and he can get the fucking point out.

Speaker 6 And I know where he's done and where he wants to get out. And then, and back to you guys.

Speaker 6 That's a that still helps because somebody else is bringing up other information. When this guy has said what he needs to say about Brian,

Speaker 6 then I, as the announcer, well, what about Jim now? Jim said that. Well, Jim can go fuck himself.

Speaker 6 It's more natural that way.

Speaker 6 And then on a confrontation,

Speaker 6 subliminally, the people see the host of the show or the announcer, there's somebody with a tie on

Speaker 6 that's conducting the interview, that's trying to keep these guys settled down and be professional.

Speaker 6 And it's there a lot of times that if the

Speaker 6 announcer, the heel says something to the babyface is goddamn just,

Speaker 6 you know, sharp and cuts him to the bone, the announcer can jump in. Now, come on there, Bill, and just put the hand on the shoulder like there's some type of

Speaker 6 decorum being maintained here. It just, it flows more naturally.

Speaker 6 Instead of, again, what you said, just guys standing there telling each other how bad they hate each other, 15 fucking minutes.

Speaker 5 Like for everyone that complains about the Vince McMahon style of wrestling over the last 25 years.

Speaker 6 This is what he did.

Speaker 5 This is what he did. And this is what AEW does.
This is what Paul Levesque does. This is what TNA does.
This is what everyone does. Indies fucking do it.
A guy just walks out there.

Speaker 5 Where'd they get the microphone? Just walks out there with the microphone. Hey, they didn't turn this off.
I guess I could say whatever I want right now with this really dramatic walk-in.

Speaker 6 Hey, here you go, Russo, on your new show that you're booking is going to be hit by, seen by millions.

Speaker 6 Have some guy walk out with a microphone and then somebody else come in. No, we're not turning it on.
Fuck you. You can't talk.

Speaker 5 They should have someone walk out with the microphone and just say, I just wanted to return this. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 it back.

Speaker 6 This was just sitting there.

Speaker 5 You know, I think,

Speaker 5 obviously, we're in a different world than we were in the 80s or the 70s.

Speaker 5 But I think there are specific things that work for professional wrestling on TV that the industry got completely away from because of Vince McMahon's embarrassment about this being the industry.

Speaker 5 And I think you're not going to have local promos anymore because what's the value in that?

Speaker 5 But you need the local promo type promo to make you care about Saturday night's main event or the pay-per-view or whatever it is. And they're not doing it.

Speaker 5 Instead, you have guys coming out there and I guess maybe because they have to fill up so much time, they are endless speeches. They just talk and talk and talk.

Speaker 5 And then the only way out of it is someone comes out there to confront them, which is what they do every single week on every single show.

Speaker 5 This is the most boring trope there is in wrestling right now. And the other problem is, if you gave Ilya Dragon off, as an example, the microphone, could he do it?

Speaker 5 At any point in his life, as an indie wrestler, in NXT, wherever, was he given a microphone and said, go out there and make people think you really hate this guy? Or was he handed a script?

Speaker 5 And you want to talk about the boring tropes of Vince McMahon? Get away from the scripts.

Speaker 5 That was a Vince McMahon thing. And for everyone who wants to talk about Paul Oveck being a different kind of animal, he's doing all the same things Vince did.

Speaker 6 I don't know how that if somebody had handed me

Speaker 6 a script

Speaker 6 and not like, here's the story written down, come up with a promo out of it, but here is exactly what you have to say. And they

Speaker 6 they would actually stop me and make me do it again if I didn't say that exact thing, which I understand pre-tapes I understand is a thing that they do,

Speaker 6 and get mad at you if you didn't say if it was live and you didn't say it that way,

Speaker 6 we wouldn't be sitting here now. I don't think anybody would have ever heard of me.

Speaker 6 Not only could I not

Speaker 6 say that

Speaker 6 long of a dissertation word for word, exactly like it was written.

Speaker 6 I don't think it would have been as good as the shit that I came up with for me myself that nobody else could fucking do either.

Speaker 6 I don't know that I would have made money if I did try to do my promos like Joe LaDuke.

Speaker 6 Probably wouldn't have worked. So

Speaker 6 I don't know how they fucking don't have a nervous breakdown trying to remember all that shit.

Speaker 5 And it just seems like delivering scripts and delivering written lines for someone to recite, it's a self-defeating thing. Why go there?

Speaker 5 And AEW, I don't think Tony Khan's scripting Adam Page. I think Adam Page is scripting Adam Page.

Speaker 6 No, that's the problem. They're writing it all out and memorizing it for themselves.
And it sounds fake, too.

Speaker 5 Unbelievable. You just don't believe the guy.
If you were in a fight and someone started talking to you like that, you would kind of like drop your fighting pose. What is he saying?

Speaker 5 Why is he saying this?

Speaker 5 But I think it's an industry-wide problem.

Speaker 5 I don't know what we could do about it, but it's an industry-wide problem.

Speaker 6 Well, we can complain about it, and there you go. But

Speaker 6 Ilya,

Speaker 6 I like him he's a good baby face he had a match with malachi black who zelina is since they're married is now his evil spooky manager and they've got evil spooky lighting and spooky music and it's the same guy in the ring but ilya you can't take your eyes off of him

Speaker 6 And they had a nice little match, and then it completely came to a halt. Zelina interfered and tripped Ilya, and the referee milked it and then kicked her out of ringside.

Speaker 6 But as she was leaving, Damian Priest with his music came out. And while all this is going, the two guys in the match are just down.

Speaker 6 And then Damian Priest stares at Malachi Black because he burned his priest's face last week. And Malachi Black stared at Damian Priest and he turned right back around when it was time.

Speaker 6 And Ilya hit him with his forearm finish. Boom, one, two, three.

Speaker 6 And then Priest got in the ring and beat up Malachi Black and

Speaker 6 was going to concerto him on the desk, but Zelina saved him and the heels ran off.

Speaker 6 And that, besides the main event,

Speaker 5 that is why I don't watch SmackDown.

Speaker 5 That is why I was not persuaded to go back to SmackDown and nothing against Ilya, but I've been tired of Damian Priest forever. Aleister Black just doesn't do it for me.

Speaker 5 I haven't checked him out with his wife yet. Maybe that really livens up.

Speaker 6 Have you checked him out with his wife? You think they leave the curtains open?

Speaker 5 I'm talking about on SmackDown.

Speaker 6 Oh.

Speaker 5 But yeah, see, you took it into the gutter for no discernible reason.

Speaker 6 No, it wasn't in the gutter. It was in a hotel room off of fucking Dixie Highways.

Speaker 6 But anyway, besides the main event, as I said.

Speaker 6 That was pretty much all that there was. But we got Drew McIntyre and Jimmy Uso.
And guess what kind of match they had, Brian?

Speaker 6 Did you see the kind of match they had?

Speaker 6 No disqualification.

Speaker 6 Anything goes.

Speaker 6 It was the same shit as you.

Speaker 6 I love Drew McIntyre. Again, not the biggest fan of Jimmy's technical work, but the Usos are over.
But it's the same shit that everybody does everywhere. They had

Speaker 6 regular match a little bit that they went out and fought in the arena, out amongst the fans.

Speaker 6 Then they came back to ringside and put a table in the ring, had a little fight on the floor.

Speaker 6 Drew brought a chair in and beat on Jimmy with a chair. Jimmy made a comeback, beat on Drew with a chair,

Speaker 6 set up the table, and gave Drew a smoing drop through the table.

Speaker 6 And then went for a splash. Drew picked up a chair and beamed him in the head with it, coming off top rope and hit his kick one, two, three.

Speaker 6 And so,

Speaker 6 and then more heat on Jimmy with a chair, and the officials tried to stop it.

Speaker 6 But guess what? Cody, here comes Cody.

Speaker 6 And he made a big comeback and got Drew out of there and then went to help Jimmy. And Drew came back and leveled him with a kick.

Speaker 6 I could have never predicted something like that happening in a million years.

Speaker 6 Of course, they're in the main event on Saturday. I know you have to promote these things, but it's a two-hour show,

Speaker 6 and every 45 minutes or so, you get two minutes of action.

Speaker 6 And at the end of the thing,

Speaker 6 somebody's going to run out and fucking

Speaker 6 get in a fight to go off the air. It's,

Speaker 6 I hate, I mean, there are variations of this that were entertaining in wrestling for a hundred years, but now that you see almost the same show with the same people on TV every week from every company doing the exact same goddamn thing that they do every fucking week,

Speaker 6 it just all blurs, doesn't it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, again, I don't want to get all fired up again, but I've been thinking a lot about it because it's hard to get the desire to watch these shows.

Speaker 5 And they just don't,

Speaker 5 you know, I guess a lot of it may be the length, which is a necessity because that's what they're selling, is all that time.

Speaker 5 I wonder sometimes, would this be a better show if everything that was on it was in a one-hour show? Or would it still feel the same? And again, I think a lot of the problems are WWE,

Speaker 5 long-term issues that I've had a problem with for a long time, been vocal about. And people go back and forth over whether they agree or not.
I think the way the commentators do commentary.

Speaker 5 is an issue. You never pay attention to them and it doesn't seem genuine.
You want to talk about people who don't seem genuine.

Speaker 5 The way Michael Cole leads the announce team, it doesn't seem like genuine conversations. It doesn't seem like genuine concern.
It seems like acting as announcing, because that's what it is.

Speaker 5 His name's not even Michael Cole. He's an actor playing a commentator.

Speaker 5 But I think that, I think the way they're setting up every show, just the long promo and then as a confrontation, then as a general manager, If there's four people there, we got a tag match.

Speaker 5 If there's three people there, we got a three-way match.

Speaker 5 If there's a contender, we you know it's just it's the same formula for both shows just different characters on each show and also they've got themselves and

Speaker 6 it's it's a trap now because the people want to cheer and sing and that just eats up so much

Speaker 6 time

Speaker 6 but at the same time you don't want to

Speaker 6 you know, shut the paying customers down from doing what they want. But part of the reason why they're doing it is because they came up with this shit to help fill some fucking time

Speaker 6 while they were sitting there watching an endless entrance. And now it's made the entrances longer, but at least they get to participate.

Speaker 5 But yeah, like the Seth Rollins entrance,

Speaker 5 it's great that it happens every time. It's great that the fans are so into the heels music that they just want to keep singing along to it, even after it goes off.

Speaker 5 But he would stand there and feed into it.

Speaker 6 Oh, well, no, they're teaching them in the performance center. They're teaching them.
You can see them all doing it now, where they're just, they're milking what

Speaker 6 they're not milking what's already happening. They're doing the subtle mannerisms and leaving the pauses where they can engender the people to

Speaker 6 come in and fill in an extra minute for them or whatever. They'll stop and pause at any hint that something's beginning to grow and let it foster, but that's part of the 20 minutes.

Speaker 6 They're all standing there talking to each other.

Speaker 6 And I don't.

Speaker 5 Like even Punk, I'm a big Punk fan. His work on the mic is his strongest work.

Speaker 5 I've gotten bored with watching Punk the last several weeks. I don't necessarily blame him.
I said it last week, I'd love to see a heel turn just because I'd love to see heel promos.

Speaker 5 But it's also

Speaker 5 what he does in between the things that matter.

Speaker 5 And it feels like WWE, that period of time for everyone, in between the matches that matter on the premium live events, it's kind of a weird holding pattern that doesn't even feel as effective as just winning squash matches.

Speaker 6 I know, again, they have two or three hours or whatever, depending on the vehicle that they have to fill and et cetera. They also have a hundred and something fucking wrestlers

Speaker 6 that you

Speaker 6 hear names of. And

Speaker 6 is everybody in, you know, still in wrestling school and NXT so goddamn shitty

Speaker 6 that you can't, I'm not saying try to push

Speaker 6 and feature and get over 20 new different people at the same time.

Speaker 6 I'm saying take the people that are familiar to the fans that are already over sometimes and just give them a four-minute fucking match with some other guy

Speaker 6 just to goddamn keep this shit moving. Just keep it moving along and let them get a nice win once in a while.
Instead of

Speaker 6 there's four matches on a two-hour show, they all take 20 minutes. And in between, at the beginning and end is a goddamn 15 or 20-minute promo.

Speaker 5 And bad acting in the back. That's another one of these Vince tropes that just doesn't go away.
I mean,

Speaker 5 as much as we haven't complained about the Judgment Day stuff in the back, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 I skip it all. I skip all of them.
I skip the backstage stuff in AEW too.

Speaker 6 Because if it's in the back, it's just more chances at bad acting.

Speaker 6 And it's not going to be any kind of earthshaking information.

Speaker 5 You know, everyone always hears the Mid-South wrestling talk because that's always like the perfect example, at least for me, in terms of a one-hour show, the commentators are serious.

Speaker 5 And they're talking to you, not at you, and you believe them.

Speaker 5 And you get a lot of action, even when there's squash matches. They're not going long.

Speaker 5 And during those matches, you're getting a lot of important information from the commentators who have credibility.

Speaker 5 And then in between that match and the next match, there's a commercial break, and you get local promos

Speaker 5 where the baby faces say something. And then in a

Speaker 5 side studio somewhere where you're never really told, the heel says something. Like all of this is happening, and they fit it all into one hour.

Speaker 5 And you watch those shows, you can't wait to see what's going to happen next week, let alone at the arenas.

Speaker 5 And you don't have that really right now.

Speaker 5 You don't have that at all, I don't think, from WWE right now.

Speaker 6 Well, and again, that's the problem is they're making

Speaker 6 ridiculous, incredible amounts of money.

Speaker 6 while giving and they've got stars that are very capable of performing, but now they've made those stars so valuable, they don't want them to work anymore than necessary because they might get hurt.

Speaker 6 And they don't have to give people any more than they're giving them now because nobody's complaining about paying the highest ticket prices ever.

Speaker 6 But that doesn't change the fact that,

Speaker 6 especially for those of us who

Speaker 6 remember how

Speaker 6 much shit used to be going on in a wrestling program,

Speaker 6 This shit's like watching paint dry.

Speaker 6 And it's not to say that the answer, because then again, some people with a simple, superficial, shallow understanding will say, well,

Speaker 6 they do everything in OVW and he hates that or in OVW. Let me try that again.
They sure do. They do everything.
They do everything in AEW.

Speaker 6 And he hates that too. I was looking at an OVW thing on my wall when I said that.

Speaker 6 He does everything in AEW. He hates that too.

Speaker 6 Yes, there can be a middle ground between everything and absolutely fuck all of nothing.

Speaker 6 And when we talk about things always happening on

Speaker 6 an exciting territory wrestling program, part of it was the actual matches. Like you said, they were moving.

Speaker 6 Even if it was a competitive match, you still only had eight or 10 minutes maybe in a one-hour program. So you were moving.

Speaker 6 And if it was a squash match, wow, look at that guy doing all that shit to that other guy for two and a half minutes.

Speaker 6 And then people were talking for two minutes,

Speaker 6 and it kept moving. That's what we're talking about.
Not necessarily a flamethrower and a goddamn Molotov cocktail, all in the same segment, kind of moving.

Speaker 6 There's a difference.

Speaker 5 And I brought up the commentators, the way they talk to you or at you.

Speaker 5 Michael Cole will yell at you the entire broadcast. Bill Watts didn't.
And Bill Watts may have been the best ever, so that may not be a fair comparison. But the point's there: Gordon Soli didn't.

Speaker 5 Lance Russell didn't. Lance Russell, you heard more tones of his voice than any other wrestling commentator because you get, well, hey, Davey, you get that, and then you're like, oh,

Speaker 5 you get everything.

Speaker 5 You just get Michael Cole yelling at you, moving his hands constantly, because that's what you're supposed to do on TV, but speaking at you, not to you.

Speaker 5 And I think that's kind of been the entire generation of WWE commentators,

Speaker 5 more than a generation, this century. And I think it even affects AEW's commentators, obviously.

Speaker 5 But I think the way of the commentary is the least effective kind of commentary you could have for a wrestling show.

Speaker 6 Well, they at least say a lot of words.

Speaker 6 But yeah, it takes a long time time to uh to watch the the program no matter how long it is it seems longer

Speaker 5 but what do i know you were about to tell me you know a lot and of course that's the state of wwe tv i'm sure we'll have more to say about this

Speaker 5 but whether it comes to applying the local promos of the past to some sort of way of using that kind of promo today on tv It's all about selling tickets. It's all about selling.

Speaker 5 Let's get rid of the word tickets and focus on

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Speaker 5 There will be no

Speaker 5 there's no first of all, lock everything, folks, just in case. And for this specific example,

Speaker 5 no one will be coming to your neighborhood.

Speaker 5 The only thing that will be coming to your uh virtual neighborhood will be great deals, and that's I don't even know if that applies here, but what we're talking about is a great partner for you.

Speaker 5 Help me

Speaker 6 everywhere, go again,

Speaker 6 Shopify.com/slash cornet, one dollar a month trial period.

Speaker 6 And you could even get on the flyering layout crew where you lay out some of the flyers that then the road crews and the neighborhood van crews go and spread around the neighborhoods.

Speaker 5 Once again, I think we've established this is not how it works. But one last time, Jim, with

Speaker 5 a professional tone,

Speaker 5 what is that promo code?

Speaker 6 Shopify.com/slash cornet.

Speaker 5 All right, well, there it is. That's the official end of that.
Tyga Da.

Speaker 6 They also have ice cream sandwiches inside the van.

Speaker 6 They got them just in a cooler. There's not a lot of ice in.
So you got to get in there quick and get to the bottom, get the ones that are still real frozen.

Speaker 5 What are your thoughts on ice cream sandwiches? What are your thoughts on the Chipwitch?

Speaker 6 Well, I like... a good ice cream sandwich every so often.
I'm not really in front of them a lot.

Speaker 6 I don't like to buy them and take them home from the store because they melt on the way and then they're all and when they refreeze they've got ice crystals on them.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 6 Well, I occasionally go to a location like a fucking ice cream store that would have a nice ice cream sandwich that I would get or a dairy queen or a thing of that nature. Oh.

Speaker 6 You just can't leave them out 15, 20 minutes and expect to get the entire experience. But the cookies and the ice cream, it's hard because then,

Speaker 6 again, I like my ice cream a bit on the soft side, but if you got soft ice cream in between the two cookies, then it just goddamn shoots right out and splooges all over you.

Speaker 6 And then the cookie's soggy.

Speaker 5 You have to eat it before it gets too melted.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, but then it's hard. And I like a cookie microwaved, a nice warm cookie.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, if you're microwaved.

Speaker 6 Haven't you heard that expression? It warms the cookies of your heart.

Speaker 5 Well, I i believe chip which itself is a soft chocolate chip cookie other brands who do knockoff versions use a harder cookie but i wouldn't microwave that that's your first problem well no i microwave any cookies because then they get even nice and warm and if there's ice chips in them it gets gooey if there's ice cream in between the cookies you can't microwave it well i know that's part of the problem

Speaker 5 All right. Well, now that we've established that.

Speaker 6 Stacy makes peanut butter blossoms for me, slightly underdone so that there's no brownness on the bottom.

Speaker 6 And you put them in the microwave, three of them on a plate for about 10 seconds, just as long as for the Hershey kiss on the top to start.

Speaker 6 When you put your finger on it at the top, you can smoosh it a little bit.

Speaker 6 And there you go.

Speaker 5 Well, there you go. That was the Chipwitch update, folks.

Speaker 5 Jim, what did you watch on WWE Raw?

Speaker 6 Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 5 Is there a reason for this?

Speaker 6 I read because I read

Speaker 6 the online recap dissertation of the

Speaker 6 episode and it wasn't even the same thing that we were just talking about a few minutes ago where it's it follows the same pattern and

Speaker 6 the interview and they get in a fight and everybody this time they had an interview they didn't get in a fight

Speaker 6 this time they're all just talking each other in between the miscellaneous matches that are put out there for these poor, struggling, young, starving artists to practice their craft.

Speaker 6 You read the same thing.

Speaker 6 You peeked at the recap of the thing and were like, what in the hell is going on here? Well, you were watching some of it and zoned out, didn't you?

Speaker 5 I saw the beginning on mute

Speaker 5 because the first thing that happened was Jey Uso came out.

Speaker 5 So I had it on mute because I don't need to sit there and watch five minutes of him coming out to his music and dancing and then saying, it's over. Well, it's not over.
Here's more.

Speaker 5 And then they do it a second time.

Speaker 6 It will never be over.

Speaker 5 I don't care how much fun those people are having there. I'm not having that much fun at home watching it.
So the World Series was on. I watched the World Series with Sound.
I watched Summer Raw.

Speaker 5 And then I got tired and I went up to the bedroom. And just the World Series was on TV at that point.
I figured I'll watch it on DVR the next day.

Speaker 5 And I woke up today, saw the report from the wrestling news, the wonderful work as they do on a daily basis, Brian Solomon, Mike Simper Vivi, Lou Kippelman, Jason.

Speaker 5 I saw that report. I read what was on that show, and I realized a little bit I saw at the beginning that I didn't care about was the highlight of the show.

Speaker 5 And there was just nothing I needed to see. Nothing I...
See, I mean, that's what I'm talking about when I say there's like the promos don't make you want to see anything. I didn't.

Speaker 5 yearn to see Dominic and Rusev or whatever the fuck was happening. Like it's interesting.
And if I was watching, I'd check it out, but it wasn't like I need to see this.

Speaker 5 They may hate each other. No, they're working together tonight.
Maybe it'll be a no-right match. I wasn't in that zone.

Speaker 6 There are people out there who go, they can't even be bothered. It's their job to watch.
No, it's not our job to watch every goddamn minute of anything

Speaker 6 put out by anybody.

Speaker 6 We

Speaker 6 compare and contrast and critique the two programs because,

Speaker 6 well, at first it was a fight,

Speaker 6 and then after it became a runaway route,

Speaker 6 we are left with describing how that the WWE does the absolute least possible and is getting the most money. And

Speaker 6 we are also left to describe AEW and what the fuck are they doing? And it takes so long to even tell you that, and you still don't understand it.

Speaker 6 And sometimes we do go on, but the point is,

Speaker 6 for

Speaker 6 the reasons just quoted, we're about half-ass fed up with both. And I'm thinking

Speaker 6 that we're starting to see other people, the rank and file folks who follow this as fans, are,

Speaker 6 you know, kind of thinking the same way, at least as far as

Speaker 6 the apathy toward

Speaker 6 it's a constant big show of the same kind of matches in both companies. What is different for the AEW fan?

Speaker 6 What

Speaker 6 different thing or people are they featuring

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 anybody wants to see? And in the WWE,

Speaker 6 yes, they're still selling the tickets, but as far as getting the people to watch, what are they doing differently on their big shows

Speaker 6 here lately that

Speaker 6 that makes them stand out or is it just a blur over there because they got saturday night's main event and the premium live event and the goddamn special on

Speaker 5 i forgot what is saturday night's main event on anymore what's that going to be on this weekend and we'll talk about that in a minute or so but that will be on peacock in the united states and youtube throughout the rest of the world

Speaker 6 So that's the only thing we still need Peacock for.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and we'll be telling you about Surfshark in a little while, too, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5 Get around this.

Speaker 6 But I guess the point is

Speaker 6 both of them are kind of in a rut.

Speaker 6 AEW is in a rut where they can't get out of their own way just doing shit over flamethrowers, Molotov cocktails, fucking people being dropped from helicopters. screaming like turkeys that can't fly

Speaker 6 and in the wwe they're they're making people pay record prices to watch them walk to the fucking ring and wave.

Speaker 5 But we are seeing more feedback. You're hearing from more people that there are more tickets available, even though they're breaking gate records everywhere and making all this money.

Speaker 5 You are starting to hear that. I see a lot of the reports that WrestleTix puts out.
It seems like they're pretty close to capacity still, but

Speaker 5 we're hearing from people. I heard from, there was a, I don't have it in front of me.
I apologize to the listeners. Someone sent an email to CourtneyDriveThru at gmail.com.

Speaker 5 I believe they went to the last SmackDown. They waited until the day of the show.
They were able to get a ticket for $40.

Speaker 5 And when they went, they said there were a bunch of empty seats. So

Speaker 5 who knows what's going on? Who knows who's buying the tickets?

Speaker 5 If it's people or if it's brokers.

Speaker 5 But there is.

Speaker 6 Or if it's broke people.

Speaker 5 You are starting to see the

Speaker 5 blowback a little bit from the rank and file wrestling fans about WWE's pricing. So then you go past that.
What's the one thing that could defeat all those issues if shit's hot?

Speaker 5 If I asked you right now, AEW, WWE,

Speaker 5 TNA, New Japan, whatever it may be, who's the hottest star in wrestling right now? And what's the hottest feud in wrestling right now? Can you even give me an answer?

Speaker 5 Who's the biggest?

Speaker 5 Who's hot right now? Who's just the hottest? Yes.

Speaker 6 We had the mixed tag team match with Seth and Mrs. against Punk and Mizes,

Speaker 6 and that was the hottest thing. And we've had it.
We haven't seen A.J. Lee since then, and Seth's in the goddamn hospital.

Speaker 6 So that ixnays that.

Speaker 6 There's Seth Rollins and CM Punk as the feud that will never die, but Seth is gone. And that's,

Speaker 6 you know, that's

Speaker 6 Cody and Drew was sped up

Speaker 6 I don't think it's blistering

Speaker 6 uh

Speaker 6 I mean everybody wants to throw each other in the incinerator in AEW how do you judge any level of

Speaker 5 the nothing they have is hot yeah I mean that's the point Darby is a big star to their audience he's not hot to anyone outside of their audience and he's not going to be the guy that causes that to happen more than likely either will Moxley or Adam Page, let alone Kenny Omega or any of the guys there right now.

Speaker 6 But also, there's not a hot rivalry, even if they like Darby, who do they want to see him against? Well, they've seen him in Moxley a couple of times. We know that much.

Speaker 5 But then you go to WWE and they have all these big stars. No one's like really hot right now.

Speaker 5 They're all either popular or not popular on this, you know, show that's going everywhere and making a whole bunch of money. But there isn't like

Speaker 5 a guy guy right now that's lighting up the industry. And that's hard to find.
You can't just, you know, bump into a Steve Austin or a Hogan or a John Cena or whoever it may be.

Speaker 5 But sometimes it feels like it's not even

Speaker 5 the system is not even set up for that to be able to happen.

Speaker 5 For someone to break out or break away. Because I think a lot of that comes from being able to be natural and getting over by being kind of.

Speaker 5 Something different than

Speaker 5 like Mercedes Monet out there giving the speech of her lifetime in front of a mirror. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 It takes both, unfortunately, because it takes the guy or girl, but the talent that can do it

Speaker 6 and the

Speaker 6 booker or head of talent or whatever the position is that is smart enough to let them do it and produce them to where until they get it

Speaker 6 down,

Speaker 6 they don't fuck it up.

Speaker 6 Don't let them do the shit they shouldn't do. Just let them do the shit they should do and be able to figure out which it is.
And

Speaker 6 you got to find the talent that can do it. You can't just tell them to do it, they got to be able to do it, and whatever it is has to come from them.

Speaker 6 That's when you get something different.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, before we move on completely, here's the lineup for Saturday night's main event, which by the time some of you may hear this may have already happened, it's this Saturday, November 1st,

Speaker 5 2025.

Speaker 5 Jim, four matches announced. I have the Wikipedia here, as I said before.
It'll be on Peacock in the United States, YouTube for the rest of, or most of the other international markets.

Speaker 5 From Salt Lake City, Utah,

Speaker 5 CM Punk versus Jey Uso

Speaker 5 for the vacant World Heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 6 I know

Speaker 6 they think that they're

Speaker 6 doing something similar to to the Long Bloodline saga with this kind of an offshoot. It's a deal of

Speaker 6 Jay and Jimmy and their interaction and Roman's influence on Jay and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 you know, I'm sorry. I don't.

Speaker 6 Punk is best when he's

Speaker 6 able to cut a promo on somebody and really tear them down and get into the issue. And he can't be a prick here because he's a babyface and so is Jay.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I mean, Punk does a good promo regardless, but I want to see the mixed tag level

Speaker 6 of animosity or the punkin' Drew or the punkin' Rollins level of animosity.

Speaker 6 They're just, they're stuck in a position of these guys

Speaker 6 are the two to crown the new champion, but I don't think they're switching punk,

Speaker 6 but I don't know what they're doing with Jay exactly.

Speaker 6 But I hate it when multiple of the baby faces are sniping at each other. It makes people pick and hurts somebody's aura or standing in the pecking order.

Speaker 5 And you got to figure there'll be some interference from Heyman and the bronze at a minimum.

Speaker 5 So we'll see what happens there. I'm a little sick of the Usos, I have to be honest.

Speaker 5 For the undisputed WWE Championship, Cody Rhodes, the champion versus Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 6 I think I wish the last thing I had seen from them was the

Speaker 6 match that they had with Cody in street clothes. Two weeks ago, yeah.
Two weeks ago, and again, about eight minutes and boom, boom, boom, tear the house down and get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 6 Now that they've had more time to talk about it and fight some more,

Speaker 6 that's another thing: they've put themselves in a position

Speaker 6 to what we were talking about earlier, where the promos so often end in a fight that now, when the promos don't end in a fight, that's such a minority of the time that you have a let-down feeling: like, is that all there is?

Speaker 6 And then that

Speaker 6 takes away from people who want to see the promos, which at one point years ago was the best part of wrestling.

Speaker 6 So, I'm just thinking that they have to do too much

Speaker 6 between these people

Speaker 6 on TV that you've seen. By the time you see the match, you've,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 it's, yeah. So

Speaker 6 it's going to be a wonderful match. They're great.

Speaker 6 We're all great. But

Speaker 6 I don't think this is the hottest thing ever.

Speaker 5 It's going to be funny. It's not on NBC.
It's on Peacock, yet somehow there'll still be commercial breaks interrupting these matches. Watch.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah. And the thing is, also, the Saturday night's main event used to be an hour and a half when you mentioned four matches.
I'm like, well, that's that's not bad. But

Speaker 6 on peacock, I guess they can just go as long as they want, can't they?

Speaker 5 Well, you would think, but who knows

Speaker 5 for the WWE Women's Championship, the champion Tiffany Stratton versus Jade Cargill.

Speaker 6 Well, they didn't waste any time, did they?

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 6 does anybody really want me to comment. Tiffy's been good,

Speaker 6 Jade's gonna practice heavily with her, and they're gonna have a

Speaker 6 wonderfully athletic girls match for as long as they can

Speaker 6 figure out shit to do.

Speaker 6 Am I being diplomatic enough?

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, finally, in a triple threat match for the Intercontinental Championship,

Speaker 5 the champion Dominic Mysterio versus Penta

Speaker 5 versus Rusev.

Speaker 6 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 Oh, it's a three-way,

Speaker 6 you know, we're going to get what we're going to get. I love Dominic.

Speaker 6 Penta ain't been as bad as

Speaker 6 he was over at the other place, but at the same time, we haven't been paying attention lately because he's only wrestling underneath shit that we don't give a fuck about.

Speaker 6 And Rusev's back. And

Speaker 6 I don't know whether it's going to be his day or not. I'm hoping this is just to keep Dominic busy because he's levels above these other two.

Speaker 5 And that's the lineup. That's the red-hot lineup for Saturday night's main event.
Of course, John Cena's last match will be next month on Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 5 Man, nothing's hot. Now he's Cena's about to have his last match.
They're going to make so much money on those tickets and those packages and the Cena gifting and everything else.

Speaker 5 But who cares at this point?

Speaker 6 You can tell this ain't ain't on network television because

Speaker 6 hey, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 All right, it's time for fun. We are back.
More drive-through, more Jim Cornette, the star of the show.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you got to make sure to get that in. After the organ, that might have run some people off.

Speaker 5 Oh, stop it. I don't think it ran anyone off.
But Jim, speaking of stars, one of the classic stars of TV's past, whether it was Lassie or Lost in Space, June Lockhart died this past week at age 100.

Speaker 5 Any thoughts and memories of June Lockhart?

Speaker 6 Well, I never met the lady, so I don't have any memories personally per se, but I couldn't believe.

Speaker 6 I didn't even think I realized when I heard that she had died that I hadn't heard that she had died and she was 100 years old. That's incredible.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I didn't even realize she was in a Christmas carol, the 1938 version. Did you know that?

Speaker 5 I didn't know it until I read one of the obituaries and saw the picture of her as one of the kids. Yeah.

Speaker 6 She was like 13 years old. She was the daughter of Gene Lockhart, who was an actor in the 20s and 30s and probably further back than that in vaudeville, et cetera.

Speaker 6 But she was one of the kids in a Christmas carol.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 you know, we were talking about a couple of weeks ago when you sent me the Irwin Allen book. And I've always been a big Lost in Space fan.
But at the time that Lost in Space went on the air, she was

Speaker 6 the biggest name star in the cast.

Speaker 6 And I mean, you get Guy Williams had been Zorro on TV and he had done some action movies, but she had starred in Lassie, which was

Speaker 6 one of the hottest programs on the air. She'd been in movies.
She'd had a career for 30 years at that point as a teenager. So

Speaker 6 at that time,

Speaker 6 and now maybe everybody thinks, oh, you know, Billy Moomy was in everything and Jonathan Harris or what, but

Speaker 6 she was the star at that point.

Speaker 5 You ever think about if Billy Moomie had the career of Ron Howard? Like if their roles, if their lives were reversed, how different things would be?

Speaker 6 Ron Howard would have been lost in space with a robot and Jonathan Harris, and Billy Mummy would have been over there

Speaker 6 kissing up to Ain't B.

Speaker 5 You know, Lassie was a big hit,

Speaker 5 and she left it and went right to lost in space. It wasn't like there was like a three-year gap or anything, it was just she went from Lassie to lost in space.

Speaker 6 Are a lot of the kids out there now going, Lassie?

Speaker 5 What the fuck? You sound like Timmy.

Speaker 6 Again, Lassie.

Speaker 5 I'm old enough.

Speaker 6 I'm old enough. I watched Lassie first run when I was a young kid because I love dogs as much then as I do now.
But I'm old enough to have seen that program, but it was a big fucking deal.

Speaker 5 No, when I was a kid, they started re-airing it on Nickelodeon. So a lot of kids my age, a lot of kids now were middle-aged men.
A lot of middle-aged men my age grew up seeing Lassie on Nickelodeon.

Speaker 6 But she was the perfect mother. That's why it was

Speaker 6 typecasting for Lost in Space. She was the perfect television mother.
Well, no. Except she went from a farm to out in space.

Speaker 5 She was a great television mother, but I think the perfect television parents, hands down,

Speaker 5 are June and Ward Cleaver. So I would go with Barbara Billingsley.

Speaker 6 Well, I don't know. June Lockhart had more warmth to her.
Now,

Speaker 6 I don't know about. Ward.
He might have been a fine fellow, but June Cleaver just didn't

Speaker 6 goddamn do it for me. She was a bit standoffish.

Speaker 5 With who, Eddie?

Speaker 6 Well, just with all of them, you know, wearing the pearls and everything. She should have goddamn had some knee pads on and a scarf around her neck and been putting in some elbow grease on that house.

Speaker 6 You say there was June Lockhart

Speaker 6 and Maureen Robinson. She was out there on a fucking

Speaker 6 dead planet in the middle of nowhere and she's in the hydroponic garden. She's getting her hands dirty.
She's using the laser guns and driving the chariot.

Speaker 6 What's fucking June Cleaver doing? Using a vacuum cleaner?

Speaker 5 That show taught lessons. I think that's the more important thing, as opposed to a whimsical and fun journey through space with a somewhat creepy doctor clinging closely to a young boy and his robot

Speaker 5 on weird planets with weird sometimes they're furry, sometimes they look like humans, sometimes they're from the old west. You never know what

Speaker 5 think it.

Speaker 6 Think about this now. The only one, the only one of the cast who never went anywhere was Mark Goddard.

Speaker 6 Because Billy Mummy was in all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 5 He was in a lot of stuff, yeah.

Speaker 6 And Angela Cartwright was sisters with Veronica Cartwright. They were

Speaker 6 actresses in all a variety of Veronica Cartwright was in Invasion of the Body Statures in 78. I always thought that Jonathan Harris.

Speaker 5 When I was a kid, I thought she looked like Liza Minelli when I would see the reruns of it.

Speaker 6 Well, but she didn't sing like her.

Speaker 6 Jonathan Harris had been on all kinds of programs, but he was a character actor. He never really starred in anything.
He just

Speaker 6 was a character actor that embodied whatever he was doing. And they let him run wild with Dr.
Smith. But Marta Kristen, Marta Kristen, and Mark Goddard never went anywhere

Speaker 6 except Outer Space.

Speaker 5 Once again, this is a tribute to June Lockhart.

Speaker 5 Not a roast of all her friends.

Speaker 6 She was probably as disappointed in Judy as the rest of the family because Judy was the bland daughter.

Speaker 6 And you just know that she was blowing Mark Goddard behind that fucking asshole.

Speaker 5 Stop it. You stop.

Speaker 6 You know, because they're not.

Speaker 5 Right or the end to go right to the filth.

Speaker 6 It would be incest or sex with a senior citizen if anybody had fucked besides Don and Judy.

Speaker 5 once again,

Speaker 6 things or some kind of robot fucking hand job with those claw hands.

Speaker 6 How's he going to fucking?

Speaker 6 You might program him, but you, you know, fuck, that'd be like an Edward Scissor hands kind of thing.

Speaker 5 Once again, we're celebrating the life of June Lockhart 100 years later.

Speaker 6 Just say, well, you think she didn't know what was going on?

Speaker 5 Thank God you're focusing on this instead of Lassie, I guess, considering the tone. I was surprised that everybody.

Speaker 6 There was a farm involved. They didn't need to abuse the dog.

Speaker 5 I saw a few different articles on her.

Speaker 5 And they all mentioned, and I obviously didn't know this, that she was really into rock and roll.

Speaker 5 She used to be really into the stones. And I was like, really? June Lockhart?

Speaker 6 There you go.

Speaker 5 You can't see it.

Speaker 6 Boy,

Speaker 6 you should have seen her on Timothy Leary's shit.

Speaker 6 She was a wild chick back in the swinging 60s when she was in her swinging 60s.

Speaker 5 I think this was after the 60s. I think it it was after Lost the Space and everything.
She just got really into rock and roll. Like they said she

Speaker 5 said she carried around one photo in her wallet and it was a photo of David Bowie.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? She got really into it. I'm impressed.

Speaker 6 She'd be in her 50s in the 70s. So that's, yeah, well, see, you can't judge a book by its cover.

Speaker 6 Maybe I was wrong about her and Dr. Smith.
You never know.

Speaker 5 Let's end on an upbeat note, a great career and lots of memorable television shows that we could hopefully watch over and over again in the future. June Lockhart.

Speaker 5 Jim, speaking of Hollywood, have you seen the new WrestleMania trailer that I believe they debuted on the Pat McAfee show?

Speaker 6 Well, it's fitting that Cody

Speaker 6 is in this because, as his father said, that now they're making major motor pixels and sitcoms, baby.

Speaker 6 I think that,

Speaker 6 and for those of you who haven't been treated to this cinematic masterpiece yet,

Speaker 6 what the

Speaker 6 what in the world?

Speaker 6 I think there was just a large squirrel or some type of animal on the roof behind the wall, behind my monitor.

Speaker 6 Either that or Stacey has climbed up a ladder and is on the roof for some reason.

Speaker 6 I'm hearing claw marks.

Speaker 6 Anyway,

Speaker 6 so I think that

Speaker 6 the trailer, again, if you haven't seen it, is very

Speaker 6 cinematic, wonderfully shot. It has Cody and Roman Reigns and Punk and

Speaker 6 who else was there?

Speaker 6 Besides Triple H and Damon? Brock, of course, how can we forget the Brockster?

Speaker 6 And they're all dressed up and they're around the poker table because WrestleMania is going to be in Las Vegas.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 Triple H is doing the voiceover as he walks through about, you know, the

Speaker 6 poker faces. And

Speaker 6 then he and Heyman are standing there smugly

Speaker 6 looking at these four guys

Speaker 6 imitating playing a game of poker.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 yeah, they spent a lot of money. They flew everybody everybody to wherever this was

Speaker 6 and they lit it and they shot it with a professional crew. And they've,

Speaker 6 does this make me interested in any of the fucking matches or what is going on? Or is this

Speaker 6 they're a movie studio now because they're making enough money to be?

Speaker 5 I was waiting for Cheatham, the dastardly midget, to jump out like he did in WCW's little mini films. I think this is unnecessary, but I think it makes them feel really good about themselves.

Speaker 5 I don't like these things. I didn't like the Cody Roman Reigns football field meetup.
As cool of an idea as hell.

Speaker 6 I forgot about that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. As cool of an idea as it could be in your head, or even like visually, if you think about it, when it actually goes down, you're like, what is this?

Speaker 5 This is ridiculous. These guys think they're actors, and they're taking it really seriously.

Speaker 5 I don't care if Triple H is behind this. I don't care if Paul Heyman's behind it.
I don't care if Moses is behind it. I just didn't like this.
And

Speaker 5 I don't like this tone. Again, it's pretending you're something you're not.
You know, it's the whole Vince thing, we make movies. And then they had to start a film studio.

Speaker 5 They made a whole bunch of movies that no one wanted to see, that no one took seriously.

Speaker 5 So,

Speaker 5 again, I think it's something that...

Speaker 6 How's WWE Films doing now?

Speaker 5 I don't think it exists anymore, or at least if it does, it's just an asset of the big company because they have intellectual property tied to it. I really don't know.

Speaker 6 Well, maybe they ought to bring it back and release this trailer to theaters.

Speaker 5 Like, who is this supposed to pump up? Because if the whole goal of a WrestleMania trailer is to

Speaker 5 announce something and hype you up for something,

Speaker 5 is it supposed to hype you up to buy a ticket and go there? Or just to watch something that's not going to air for another six months?

Speaker 6 Or

Speaker 6 just to make a movie. A major movement picture.

Speaker 5 Watch him the most real because he didn't move. Everyone else did their little, like, Roman did his little thing, and then, you know, punk, and he had to, you know, make some kind of motion.

Speaker 5 It was ridiculous.

Speaker 6 But that's

Speaker 6 again, I'm sorry. I know they're in Las Vegas, but as far as

Speaker 6 making me want to see a wrestling show, I don't know what this had to fucking do with it, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 Well, that was the WrestleMania trailer. We'll see if anything exciting happens.

Speaker 5 I'm sure there are some fans right now upset because there are no women in the trailer, but that's just the way it goes, I guess.

Speaker 6 Well, would they have rather had one of the women come in and be one of the Hoochie Coochie dancers and drop down under the table for the high roller? Or what?

Speaker 5 Hoochie Coochie dancers.

Speaker 6 Well, you know, that's what they got out in Las Vegas, them Hoochie Coochie dancers.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, I have here a post from the Cult of Cornet Facebook group from Pascal signer

Speaker 5 i just heard your mercedes moan segment that's the way he spelled it about the 10 belts she has now seriously where did brian find this horseshit list

Speaker 6 i have seen at least

Speaker 6 you know what no no you know what mercedes has had her team on this because

Speaker 6 I've seen an inordinate amount of people on Twitter saying, where did Brian get this list? The information on the list is wrong.

Speaker 6 She beat Hoochie Coochie instead of Fancy Dancy for this belt or whatever.

Speaker 5 I think it is important that we correct the record. We always want to be honest.
We always want to be correct here.

Speaker 5 But according to Pascal, at least half of the matches are false.

Speaker 5 So he said, Please correct this Brian last.

Speaker 5 She won the EWA belt in Vienna versus

Speaker 5 Mila Smid

Speaker 5 and Lexi Vallo,

Speaker 5 not Mia Yim.

Speaker 5 She won the PWT.

Speaker 6 Instead of Mia Yim, it was what, Messa Schmidt?

Speaker 5 Mila Smith, S-M-I-D-T,

Speaker 5 right? Smit?

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 5 And Lexa Vallow,

Speaker 5 not Mia Yim.

Speaker 5 She won the PWT belt in Portland from Diana Strong.

Speaker 5 Excuse me, not Portland, Poland. I said Portland.

Speaker 6 Poland is a suburb of Portland. That's where they conduct their matches.

Speaker 5 My apologies, folks. The PWT belt in Poland from Diana Strong, not Camille.
Remember, Camille was on that list?

Speaker 6 Well, yes.

Speaker 5 Apparently, it wasn't Camille. It was.

Speaker 6 So, who's okay? Well, go ahead. What are the other corrections?

Speaker 5 Diana Strong. Who's that? She won the body slam belt

Speaker 5 from Alice Inc.

Speaker 5 It's spelled A-L-L-I-S

Speaker 5 I-N-K. Alice Inc.,

Speaker 5 not Regina Rosendahl.

Speaker 5 If that's indeed her real name. Also, she won the Rev Pro belt from Mina Shirakawa, not Alex Windsor.

Speaker 5 So there I was correcting the recognition.

Speaker 6 Well, so when I will let, hold on here, you had gotten the information that you read off the interwebs.

Speaker 5 Essie scoops. I believe I corrected the skin.
Essie as I read it. That's right.

Speaker 6 I was about to say,

Speaker 6 as Terry Funk said in the NWA meeting that year, who is the little midget that beat Andre in After's magazine? Who is the lying sack of shit that gave you the wrong information?

Speaker 6 These people called S.E. Scoops

Speaker 6 apparently don't know their outlaw girl wrestlers from one another.

Speaker 5 Well, again, maybe it was just one of the writers there, and hopefully they can make a correction and also apologize to the general public for putting this information out there.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, because you can't, you don't know what type of damage they've done

Speaker 6 by people thinking that Mia Yim was beaten by this, this brazen hussy, when in fact it was Messa Schmidt.

Speaker 5 And by the way, I've seen this almost exact same message posted in a bunch of places. And I'm looking at some of the comments some of the other Cult of Cornet Facebook group members have left.

Speaker 5 Is this Mercedes Burner account?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 5 I don't like her. And it's 12 belts now.
Thank you for subscribing to Monet Mag so we don't have to. It doesn't even sound like a real name.
Nice try, Mercedes. They think it's her.

Speaker 6 Well, that's because it's been the same general thing. All this information is wrong.
Who she won the belts from. It was this and that and the other thing.

Speaker 6 Like somebody's keeping track over on her team. The people that help her find her way out of the woods.

Speaker 5 Well, there's a correction for the record. Jim, she has more belts now, I believe, since the last time we talked and may be having more to come.
How do you get out of this?

Speaker 6 I think they ought to dress her up like a Christmas tree, but instead of tensile, they have belts just hanging all off of it.

Speaker 6 Of course,

Speaker 6 these poor independent promotions,

Speaker 6 they better be kissing their belts goodbye because they ain't never going to see them again. Now, I'll say one thing.

Speaker 6 In her defense, somebody

Speaker 6 had put out the, well, you know what her price is for these independent bookings? $25,000.

Speaker 6 I got news for everybody.

Speaker 6 She may tell people that she's charging $25,000 if she doesn't want to do whatever the fuck she's being asked to do.

Speaker 6 But I guarantee you, I'm sorry, not one of those promotions that she won those belts for paid her $25,000 to be.

Speaker 6 They don't draw $25,000 for a whole show for renting a goddamn building and paying all the wrestlers and anybody that takes part in it.

Speaker 6 They're not $25,000 in revenue and ticket sales or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 6 So I'm thinking,

Speaker 6 and because of the comments that Tony said, well, she's not doing it's not about the money with her.

Speaker 6 She's talked him into subsidizing this thing

Speaker 6 to where they pay her what they can pay her, but she is

Speaker 6 probably getting a bonus to go win these fucking belts.

Speaker 6 But nobody, no independent promotion. I'm sorry.
I know that

Speaker 6 sometimes now we get carried away talking about money and wrestling when it's the amount of money that the WWE generates or the amount of money that Tony Khan spends.

Speaker 6 But no,

Speaker 6 I don't know that TNA

Speaker 6 would, when they had Sting under fucking contract, would pay somebody $25,000 a day.

Speaker 6 He was making $10,000 a fucking week.

Speaker 5 It's a good deal for her.

Speaker 5 Hey, $25,000 that I get to keep your belt.

Speaker 5 Or we'll plug you in Monet Mag.

Speaker 6 We'll make sure when she starts dropping them,

Speaker 6 we'll make sure to report every loss she takes in front of people on an independent promotion to give them their belt back.

Speaker 5 And I guess the other question is, if her fee is $25,000, is that her fee or is that AEW's fee?

Speaker 5 Because she's an AEW wrestler, right? You would have to still go through the office to book her, especially

Speaker 5 considering the way they're featuring all these belts on TV.

Speaker 6 And now we're applying the WWE protocol to a different company. Yes, I'm sure AEW would have to know that she's gone somewhere, but we don't know

Speaker 6 what kind of

Speaker 6 stringent precautions they have put in place to make sure that when their talent that they allow to go and work on all the you hear about all these guys working in various places around the world and indie promotions and Moxley doing

Speaker 6 jiu-jitsu tournaments with Home Depot employees in Newport or whatever,

Speaker 6 do you think the office is handling all that also?

Speaker 6 And I would bet you what office.

Speaker 6 Well, and again, depending on who it is, what their deal was,

Speaker 6 and how much that AEW cares,

Speaker 6 I'm sure a lot of this is left up to the talent,

Speaker 6 and they just got to notify once they get the word, yay, or just notify them, here's what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 Because I don't know if I would trust that office to

Speaker 6 set up shit with people for me here and there, hither and yon around the world.

Speaker 5 Well, we'll see what happens with the travels of Mercedes-Monet and her many belts, and of course, Jim.

Speaker 5 She's a fancy, extravagant woman. She's got lots of belts.
She's got lots of hats. Maybe a lot of shoes.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 5 But I don't know if she has the right pair of boots. I guess that's what I always think when I see Mercedes Monet out there.
I think, you know what? That woman does not have the right pair of boots.

Speaker 6 Well, that's because she doesn't have the right pair of feet.

Speaker 6 That's the whole problem, Brian. She ought to get a new pair of feet.

Speaker 5 I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 5 You're blowing my mind.

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Speaker 6 Just so you know, if you happen to be digging a hole and the guy in the hole next to you says something wrong, or just boot him right in the nuts.

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Speaker 5 It's a great boot.

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Speaker 6 well,

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These things have a tread on the bottom of them. You could do the batwalk up the side of a building.

Speaker 5 No, you can't. Will you stop saying things that people aren't going to be doing?

Speaker 6 Well, it just depends on whether you're a Batman or not.

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Speaker 6 Yes. Well, up the side of your house, it could go two or three floors.
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Speaker 5 Jim, let's get to some topics and some questions here on the show.

Speaker 5 I have a

Speaker 5 question here from the Culta Cornet Facebook group. This one was sent by Joe Galante

Speaker 6 with hindsight.

Speaker 6 Is he a member of one of the families? I seem to remember that name.

Speaker 5 That's all Hollywood. With hindsight of how most of this year played out for John Cena's final year, how would Jim have booked Cena's final year?

Speaker 5 If you look at it, not week to week, obviously, but as an overall one-year arc, what would you have done?

Speaker 6 I mean, we could have had multiple meetings about this in various boardrooms and gotten all the feedback from the various creative team members and all this other shit, or just you've got one of the biggest stars and one of the most popular baby faces

Speaker 6 that he's more popular now than he was when people were booing him regularly 10 years ago, because now they've seen less of him and nostalgia's kicked in.

Speaker 6 I wouldn't have turned him heel, obviously.

Speaker 6 And you can't just have a

Speaker 6 greatest hits tour where

Speaker 6 he comes, you know, 35 times or whatever the number of dates were and

Speaker 6 beats 35 different people,

Speaker 6 or, you know, just do that.

Speaker 6 But what they have done is they,

Speaker 6 the thing they have done right is that they spread out his appearances between various television shows and different types of live events, whether it be pay-per-view, the premium live event, or Saturday Night's Main Event, or whatever.

Speaker 6 You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 I would have, at the start of the year,

Speaker 6 had him

Speaker 6 three or four main opponents

Speaker 6 sketched out for the year that he wanted to work with and maybe wanted to, you know, work with a couple of times,

Speaker 6 one or two of them.

Speaker 6 And then I would have had some other guys that,

Speaker 6 you know, it would have been a great money match or, you know, whatever the case for a lesser event,

Speaker 6 and then just ran that plan and had him make the TVs to

Speaker 6 not only to sell the tickets in all these major markets, but to do shit to build the matches, as everybody always does.

Speaker 6 But had a plan at the start where he's going to have

Speaker 6 the four main shows he's going to be on. He's going to have the four main opponents, and they're all going to be heels.

Speaker 6 And then maybe he could have a babyface match on one of the secondary programs,

Speaker 6 him and A.J. Styles or whatever the case.

Speaker 6 And I would have tried to figure out two

Speaker 6 heels that

Speaker 6 it would advance their cause in life if they were to beat him.

Speaker 6 And let him do over the course of a year, two jobs

Speaker 6 because people weren't wanting to see him lose. and they especially didn't want to see him

Speaker 6 get the teetotal shit beat out of him by Brock Lesnar unless he's coming back to get even,

Speaker 6 which looks more and more unlikely.

Speaker 6 And I know they wanted to do things with Brock in the future, and he's in the WrestleMania commercial. Great.

Speaker 6 I think he's got enough standing in the community, Brock Lesnar, and enough cache in the industry. He didn't have to just demolish John Cena

Speaker 6 and just bum the fucking people that paid all that money out.

Speaker 6 I think maybe he could have,

Speaker 6 I might even have said, what about Cena loses one to this guy and then gets a rematch and wins.

Speaker 6 But the other one, he beats the guy at first, but he gets a rematch and he loses. So that heel gets the last word.
Would it have done good for Braun Breaker?

Speaker 6 Maybe it's still a little too soon, but might he have slipped up and been one of the guys there to actually beat John Cena. Just have that in his resume.

Speaker 6 But for the most part, it was a

Speaker 6 see John Cena one last time in this market tour, and I would have made the people happy with major promo segments,

Speaker 6 angles when necessary, and

Speaker 6 matches where he

Speaker 6 was competitive, and it was main event opponents, but he won by the skin of his teeth in most, but not all.

Speaker 6 And the losses would come later on in the year. Does that make any sense?

Speaker 5 It does.

Speaker 5 Obviously, there's a whole lot of ways you could have gone other than turn him heel with The Rock and Travis Scott. It's hard to believe that's less than a year ago.
It just feels like a lifetime ago.

Speaker 6 And then just have him come out and just say the worst things where if somebody said this to you in person, you would fight them.

Speaker 6 And he said these things to the fans and about the fans. And the next week, just never mind.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Remember, we were, I was saying, how is he ever going to apologize for saying these things? My God.

Speaker 6 It was like the relationship between the Hudson sisters and whatever happened to baby Jane.

Speaker 5 You know, again, a lot of their TV kind of rolls together, but didn't he turn babyface like the taping or the smackdown before the pay-per-view like him and cody were in the ring and he's just like you know i thought about it

Speaker 5 you wrote it i thought about it yeah

Speaker 5 just been acting the fool it's been a weird it's been a weird year but i think it could have been you know when when the idea first came up i thought it was amazing i was like oh my god their hot streak is going to continue you have a year of cena making last appearances And they made the money that you would want to make.

Speaker 5 I just don't know if they had the.

Speaker 6 They didn't leave the memories that you you would want to last i think the aj styles match as crazy as it sounds is probably the cena match that people love the most over the past year yeah it was the the best one bell to bell and also in terms of

Speaker 6 they weren't wanting to boo cena but they were confused as to what all was going on early in the year

Speaker 5 Well, we'll see what happens. As last match is coming up, it's kind of crazy to think that it's weeks away and we're in the middle of it still and it just kind of feels like it already ended.
But uh,

Speaker 5 we'll see what happens. Jim, another question.
This one was sent to Courney DriveThru at gmail.com. I'm banging all sorts of stuff on my desk.
Sorry, Jace.

Speaker 5 Shut up, Anoki. There we go.

Speaker 5 This was sent by Victoria Donovan.

Speaker 5 This was mentioned in passing on an entry of Guest the Program, but not elaborated on.

Speaker 5 What does Jim know about Babe Sharky's title claim?

Speaker 6 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 6 That was in what, in the 40s?

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 truthfully, he was just another guy

Speaker 6 that Pfeffer had got involved with, right? And was trying to push

Speaker 6 a different line of succession for the championship, like he did with a number of guys, Dave Levin and various people, trying to make a case for him, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, Babe Sharkey, I want to say that right before the war ended in Dallas, you started seeing him in the programs.

Speaker 5 Like, this is the real world's champion right here, not the other promotions champion. Babe Sharkey has a claim coming back to whenever they concocted it.

Speaker 6 I don't have posters of his, but I do have some of the posters that they made for Dave Levin, and they were trying to.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 6 quote wins that Levin or the that that's what Pfeffer and a lot of the promoters then would do they would quote a win that a guy had in a certain place over this guy that proved then that when that guy went on to become the champion, he'd already been beaten by this guy.

Speaker 6 So he ought to be the champion. That type of thing.

Speaker 5 You know, I just grabbed something here. I'm kind of fascinated, and I always have been

Speaker 5 with the different title claims. The ones that...
If you actually go by wins and losses, aren't legit. They just trail off because whatever.

Speaker 5 And the ones that are bullshit, obviously it was a big part of Pfeffer's game, was just all sorts of claims. It didn't even have to be a title, just claiming anything.

Speaker 5 But I have here, I may have mentioned this to you a long time ago. You may have one too.
I get such a kick out of this.

Speaker 5 It's from, I think, the late 60s. It says, coming soon, Bruno San Martino, World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion.
If you open it up, There's a photo of when he won the belt at Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 5 There's a photo of him here with Willie Gilsenberg and some people from the Athletic Commission.

Speaker 5 There's a photo of him with Buddy Rogers in a,

Speaker 5 not a bear hug. What am I thinking of?

Speaker 5 Backbreaker. Backbreaker upside down from Madison Square Garden.
And here's the World Heavyweight Champions list.

Speaker 5 And it pretends like Bruno won the world championship from Buddy Rogers, that he never lost to Luthes at the beginning of 63. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's Bruno San Martino defeated Buddy Rogers, who defeated Pat O'Connor, who defeated Dick Hutton, who defeated Luthez, who defeated Billy Watson, so on and so forth.

Speaker 5 It wasn't like this story was everywhere that, you know, there was a tournament or Bruno did this or that.

Speaker 6 This was. Well, see, the tournament story was reverse engineered

Speaker 6 because for people, and they've gone back, and

Speaker 6 guys, I remember Big Andy Varga, who was a big fan at the time, but Bill Apter has weighed in on this. And

Speaker 6 some of the other fans that were around at the time have stated that watching the television

Speaker 6 at first, Vince Sr.

Speaker 6 and the whole Capitol Sports Northeast promotion tried to just get away with that Buddy Rogers was still the champion, that he had not lost the belt in January in Toronto to Thes, that he was, they just stopped saying NWA world champion.

Speaker 6 But as far as the people in the Northeast knew,

Speaker 6 Buddy Rogers was the world champion because

Speaker 6 he lost the belt in Toronto. And there was no

Speaker 6 the newsstand magazines were two or three months behind in those days from when something would happen versus when it would show up. So,

Speaker 6 and that was just a small group of people overall compared to who was watching the television and going to the matches at the garden and New York and etc.

Speaker 6 So they just kept referring to Rogers as the world champion.

Speaker 6 And then when he beat, or when Bruno beat Rogers, May 17, 1963,

Speaker 6 then he was the new champion.

Speaker 6 And it wasn't until

Speaker 6 several years later in the mid-60s when

Speaker 6 there had been some magazine publicity, obviously, that it infiltrated and they were trying to

Speaker 6 come up with a

Speaker 6 title lineage that would be believable. And back in those days, that's where they came up with the

Speaker 6 Rodgers winning the tournament for the WWWF championship

Speaker 6 and then Bruno winning it from him

Speaker 6 and beating Raqqa in the finals, right?

Speaker 6 The previous big star. And they did the same thing with Pat Patterson and the Intercontinental title and Buenos Aires or whatever tournament.

Speaker 6 But that was the original, they had reverse engineered it several years later

Speaker 6 because by then they were having relations with the NWA and trying to work on deals and things.

Speaker 6 And so as to totally not shit on them,

Speaker 6 they came up with a tournament story, but they didn't tell it on TV at the time. They tried to get away with Rogers never having lost the belt till he lost it to Bruno.

Speaker 5 You know, the Pat Patterson one is always interesting to me because

Speaker 5 Ted DiBiase had just been there as the North American champion in a feud of Pat Patterson over that belt.

Speaker 5 And then when he left, the belt left. And all of a sudden, Pat Patterson was Intercontinental Champion.

Speaker 5 It's just weird that they had a belt that they just suddenly established on TV and then it left and they all of a sudden have this new belt.

Speaker 6 I guarantee you, well, Watts used the North American title, although at that point in time, it may still have been the Leroy McGurk territory, but there were other North American champions.

Speaker 6 And I bet you somebody, whether it be Vince Sr.,

Speaker 6 Vince Jr., kicked it in,

Speaker 6 or whatever, said, let's start our own and make up a new name and make it bigger than North America.

Speaker 5 Jim, our next question sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent by Andrew Lambricks.

Speaker 5 I attended the survival of the fittest in Dearborn, Michigan in maybe 2010 or 2011.

Speaker 5 Eddie Edwards was injured in his opening match after a dive to the outside. He returned and finished later that night with a dislocated shoulder, winning the tournament.

Speaker 5 What was the backstage decision-making like?

Speaker 5 Was he just adamant on finishing, or was it a, you got to get back out there because of the future plans for him?

Speaker 6 God, I am trying to,

Speaker 6 I'm trying to remember the specifics because I think

Speaker 6 if it was, what year did he say it was?

Speaker 5 Either 2010 or 2011.

Speaker 6 I should have been there and I made a number of the shows in Dearborn.

Speaker 6 The thing that I remember Eddie Edwards getting hurt on

Speaker 6 was

Speaker 6 early in my run, and we'll get back to this in a second, but just to illustrate why I'm confused,

Speaker 6 in that they had been, I did one of the New York shows at the Hammerstein Ballroom, but they had been in, I think, Boston the previous night. And this was probably in 2009.

Speaker 6 And I know Adam Pierce was still booking, and it was right after I'd started, because I think it's the first time I met Eddie. It was.

Speaker 6 Point is,

Speaker 6 I come in in New York,

Speaker 6 and there's a kid in the locker room over in the corner with a cast on his fucking arm.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I said, Oh, shit, who's that? Oh, that's Eddie Edwards. Yeah, he broke his arm last night in Boston.

Speaker 6 And I said, Well, shit, that's terrible. I said, Is he? Oh, yeah, he's in a ladder match tonight.

Speaker 6 I said, Well, who's filling in for him? They said, No, he's going to work. What

Speaker 6 he worked a ladder match with a broken arm,

Speaker 6 and this was before that. Um,

Speaker 6 I don't honestly remember the specifics of him getting, because, again, it's been a while and I remember the other injury

Speaker 6 more prominently.

Speaker 6 But nobody

Speaker 6 made him. I certainly didn't.
I'm trying to remember if I was ever, I don't remember anybody ever telling me, hey,

Speaker 6 anybody has a separated shoulder, but they're going to go back and work their next match.

Speaker 6 So I'm not sure of the specifics that night. This is one that may have escaped me.

Speaker 6 Did we know that it was a separated shoulder? Or was he just banged up and, oh, I'm okay.

Speaker 6 And he got diagnosed later on, or was his arm hanging limply at his side?

Speaker 6 I don't remember if I was given a heads up on anything like that, that I would have said, yeah, it's probably a good idea. He goes out and works another fucking match.

Speaker 6 And as a blanket statement,

Speaker 6 yes, even if a guy's figured in,

Speaker 6 if he got his bell rung or he got shook up or he, whatever, but he says he's okay to go, okay, it's wrestling. But if something is actively separated or

Speaker 6 broken or something like that, and I am in the decision-making

Speaker 6 seat, I usually would say, no, we'll figure something else out, just as a blanket statement.

Speaker 5 All right, Jim, our next question sent via the Cultural Coordinate Facebook group, was sent by Luke Allen.

Speaker 5 Hi, Jim. I'm planning my 2026 summer vacation now.

Speaker 5 Where should I go? I'll go wherever Jim tells me to if it makes it on the show.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 does he say where he lives?

Speaker 5 He does not say where he lives.

Speaker 6 Fuck it, go to Switzerland then

Speaker 6 or Bolivia. I mean, I would try to, if

Speaker 6 the guy said, I live in South Carolina, I'd say, well, go up to Gatlinburg. That's not a bad trip.
It'd be nice or whatever. I don't.

Speaker 6 I don't know. I don't know where to tell this guy to go.

Speaker 6 Maybe I do.

Speaker 5 The guy says I'll go anywhere you tell me, and you have no idea where to send him.

Speaker 6 Well, I don't know what he likes. I don't know what he doesn't like.
Don't know what he looks like.

Speaker 6 Don't know how much money he's got. How much you're willing to spend.

Speaker 6 If you're willing to spend enough, maybe I'll take you.

Speaker 5 All right. So enjoy that.

Speaker 6 I'll take him one way or the other.

Speaker 5 Enjoy that vacation.

Speaker 6 Yeah, why don't you just,

Speaker 6 here's the thing.

Speaker 6 Probably the best thing to do would be just go and just fuck off, and then when you get there, just continue fucking all the way off until you fucked all the way off to where you've come around to fucking bet yourself again.

Speaker 5 Jim, our next question, sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group, was sent by Joe Malley.

Speaker 5 Did Jim ever consider just for fun to work a dark match under a mask?

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 it's not like that

Speaker 6 if I had a match as Jim Cornette, the manager,

Speaker 6 expectations were low, and I probably could and did on many hundreds of occasions pull it off.

Speaker 6 But if I was just some fucking masked guy,

Speaker 6 the fucking masked mighty golden fucking hawk or whatever,

Speaker 6 then people would be saying, well, look at that fucking guy. He's a shits.

Speaker 6 Because they would expect me to be as good as a wrestler and throw drop kicks and shit.

Speaker 6 And I would be just getting beat up by somebody because I'd be a job guy.

Speaker 6 All right. You see what I'm saying there?

Speaker 5 Great questions today, ladies and gentlemen. We're doing well.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, why would you do that? Let's let's examine this. What benefit would it be for me to do that?

Speaker 5 I don't know if there'd be any benefit.

Speaker 5 You know, there was always that rumor for years that Vince McMahon loved wrestling so much and he was in such good shape that he would wrestle squash matches under a mask, and you wouldn't know it was him.

Speaker 6 Where was this rumor?

Speaker 5 It's obviously not true. It was just a rumor you used to hear around.

Speaker 6 I've never heard this.

Speaker 5 It was actually Danny Davis. Was it Vince McMahon?

Speaker 5 But I guess the idea that you love wrestling so much that you just couldn't contain yourself just booking or managing or running the show, you would also have to get out there and

Speaker 5 adorn.

Speaker 6 If I was working for someone else, nobody would have ever done that because if I was working for Dusty or Fritz or Watts or even Vince or whoever, if they put Jim Cornette in a match against a babyface to get beat up, it would mean more than if they put some mass nobody.

Speaker 6 And as I said,

Speaker 6 if they, if I just went out there, if I was working for myself, there would be no reason for me to do it because then I would just be a bad masked wrestler instead of a halfway decent manager manager wrestler.

Speaker 5 All right, we're heading home runs today here, folks.

Speaker 5 Jim, our next question was sent via email to cornydrivethruhgmail.com from James.

Speaker 5 I'd like to know Jim's thoughts on wrestlers wearing high-top basketball shoes like Air Jordan's and tennis shoes instead of traditional boots.

Speaker 5 Does the lack of padding on the shoes pose a danger to wrestlers?

Speaker 6 Well, this has become a thing because I guess everybody wants to be, it looks stylish, right? Where they got all the new tennis shoes and everything, the sneakers.

Speaker 6 That's what I wore.

Speaker 6 Again, we're going back to me wrestling as a manager.

Speaker 6 That's what I wore all those years was not only the

Speaker 6 long tights and the pads down the arm and pads down the leg, but also the high top tennis shoes.

Speaker 6 Because I was trying to give the impression that I was not a wrestler, that I was a manager forced into this fucking thing. And I'm trying to pad myself up, but also

Speaker 6 I didn't want wrestling boots because that would look like I was trying to be a manager.

Speaker 6 So I got the high top tennis shoes that I could give

Speaker 6 my ankles a little bit of support, but for the shit that I was doing, it wasn't like, again, I wasn't doing leapfrogs and drop kicks. So my ankles didn't need a ton of support to

Speaker 6 get beat up. But it looked like I didn't, I didn't belong because I wasn't professionally dressed out.

Speaker 6 And now, with the guys that are wearing the fucking sweatpants, or the parachute pants, or the goddamn sneakers, or the street clothes, or whatever the fucking deal is,

Speaker 6 to me, it's always looked indie,

Speaker 6 outlaw, low budget, whatever.

Speaker 6 Unless every once in a while it's somebody's gimmick.

Speaker 6 And then you can make a case for it, but it's gone.

Speaker 6 If anybody could wear the tennis shoes, maybe the Usos can.

Speaker 6 But for the most part, it just started in the indies because the guys couldn't really afford gear to begin with.

Speaker 6 And then the indie guys started,

Speaker 6 even when they got the money, they didn't want to change their look. So it just, it looks bleh.

Speaker 5 Jim, our next question was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Justin Glenn Fallon.

Speaker 5 What are Jim's thoughts on Dick Slater as a worker? I've been watching a lot of 80s wrestling lately, and in my opinion, he stands out as one of the best workers in that era.

Speaker 5 Starcade 1983, he did the best overall work on the card, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 Well, Slater was tremendous as a worker.

Speaker 6 He had the fixation with Terry Funk that we've talked about, where

Speaker 6 he incorporated so much of Terry's shit

Speaker 6 into his own, I mean, facial expressions and kind of things in promos, as well as matches, moves and things, that you could have put a mask on him and done some kind of deal.

Speaker 6 They did that in Knoxville.

Speaker 6 When Terry Funk was the NWA champion, He was going to come in to defend or whatever or do something, but they didn't have a video, so that they put funk highlights over the audio of Dick Slater doing an interview as Terry Funk, and nobody knew.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 on his own, Slater was a great worker, and he had spent so much time in his early career in Florida and Georgia working with the top guys in the NWA.

Speaker 6 And he was just a natural. He didn't have a great physique, but he was a tough guy.
He,

Speaker 6 who was the football player he knocked out was it matusic no it was uh

Speaker 5 who was it now i'm forgetting who it was uh

Speaker 6 oh god damn it and he got um

Speaker 6 the guy he died an early death not from slater knocking him out but he had some other type of health issue or whatever but point being

Speaker 6 in tampa it was john matusik was okay john matusik that's right

Speaker 6 but in tampa everybody knew about slater including the football team. Don't fuck with him.
That's why,

Speaker 6 you know, not only he did the thing with Sting, where Sting just

Speaker 6 apparently innocently, who knows, gave Dark Journey a ride to the matches. Next thing he knew, his head was stuck in a toilet.

Speaker 6 But at the same time, also, Slater

Speaker 6 developed

Speaker 6 not a bad reputation, but just not a good reputation in the business for

Speaker 6 just, you know, I'll either leave if I don't like it or I'll whatever the fuck, or I may just punch somebody.

Speaker 6 And that's why I was so nervous. He was the booker for Crockett for the Georgia end when the Midnight Express, we first went to work there.

Speaker 6 And that's why I had to call fucking office on him one time.

Speaker 6 We're on the northern tour of West Virginia and Ohio,

Speaker 6 and Dusty had given instructions. The Midnight Express goes over every night.

Speaker 6 Well, it was Saginaw or Lansing or whoever it was.

Speaker 6 Slater and Buzz Sawyer, they said, Well, we're going to go 30 minutes through

Speaker 6 for what here in front of nobody, right?

Speaker 6 They didn't want to do the job.

Speaker 6 So the next day, I called the office, talked to

Speaker 6 Jimmy Crockett, because Dusty was on the road. I said, Well, I just want to let you know we didn't go over last night.

Speaker 6 I'll take care of it. So we get to the town that night.
I've got my fucking hot dogs and everything. I sit down in the locker room and Slater peeks his head in and says, Cornette, can I see you?

Speaker 6 Like, oh, shit, can I eat my hot dogs first? I was afraid it was going to be my last meal.

Speaker 6 He said, you may not want to after I finish talking to you.

Speaker 6 He said, well, you called the office today. I said, Dick.

Speaker 6 We were told by Dusty Rhodes, who we came here to work for, we went over every night or were to go over every night, and we didn't. I just needed to relay that information.

Speaker 6 So, well, they're not telling me what kind of cards they're giving me up here next month. I don't know what's going on.
They were phasing the Georgia end out and him and Buzz and all of that and Rupe.

Speaker 6 And they didn't really want to fucking tell him what was going on until

Speaker 6 he couldn't bitch about it.

Speaker 6 So I didn't know whether the, you know, beat us or beat you or whatever. He was bullshit.
He just didn't want to do the job.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 No problems. I got my hot dogs.
He didn't beat me up, but he was gone very shortly after. So was Buzz.

Speaker 5 And what happened first? Did that conversation happen first or Buzz Sawyer storming the room and Dennis reaching for his gun?

Speaker 6 Oh, that was back down in Georgia. That was probably a month later.
that that happened.

Speaker 6 But Buzz was still around, but Slater was gone by then. See, it didn't all happen instantly.
They kept Buzz and Brett around

Speaker 6 probably about a week after he fucking got mad.

Speaker 6 Does anybody know what we're talking about there? I hate to tell all these stories twice.

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 5 I don't know. I always assume they do.
And then I feel bad if I ask you something that we've asked that you've talked about before. It's a great story, so I don't mind you telling it.

Speaker 6 Well, I know it's been years since I've told it, but

Speaker 6 we were in some place in suburban Atlanta, some goddamn dirt floor rodeo barn type of thing for a spot show. And they were about to close up the Georgia towns and take all of us to Charlotte.

Speaker 6 And as I mentioned, Buzz didn't go along.

Speaker 6 And we were working with Buzz and his brother, Brett.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 they were getting the heat on Buzz.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 as they, Bobby drapes him over the ropes, takes the referee, so I go over and choke him with the tennis racket in a working way.

Speaker 6 And a minute later, he's in the same place. Bobby takes the referee.
He wants me to get a little more heat. So I go over there.

Speaker 6 And besides the fact that, again, Dusty had said, we've just been there for six weeks or whatever. Nobody touches Cornette.

Speaker 6 Well, it's a fucking rodeo barn in front of 500 people at a goddamn shithole in Georgia. I don't care.
I'll work with you.

Speaker 6 But when I walked up, he fucking open-handed slapped me in the front of the face, right on the nose. Bam, nose starts bleeding.
What the fuck?

Speaker 6 I got pissed. I took the racket, turned it to the side, and used the edge.
And

Speaker 6 Buzz Sawyer was noted for when you would give him a post into the ring post. He would actually run his own head into the metal ring post hard enough where you could hear it thud.

Speaker 6 You've, you've seen it, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 Well, I decided, see how hard that fucking head was. You slapped me right flat in the face, motherfucker.

Speaker 6 So I took the edge of the racket, I crowned him right in the forehead about three or four times.

Speaker 6 And he starts growling

Speaker 6 and leaning over that bottom rope and coming out and reaching for me. But Bobby's got a hold of his legs and he can't.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 yes, right in the middle of the heat, right? Bobby pulls him back in and they keep getting the heat on him.

Speaker 6 And I'm fucking feeling my nose and he ain't happy, and they ain't going to let him get another chance at me.

Speaker 6 So they finish the fucking match. So we go back in the locker rooms where

Speaker 6 trailers like Winnebago's in this place. It was more an outdoor horse thing with a cover than it was a building.

Speaker 6 And so me and Bobby and Dennis and the referee, what was it? Who was it then?

Speaker 6 Good lord.

Speaker 6 Yeah. It might have been Mike Fever, though, referee at a spot show.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 But anyhow,

Speaker 6 we're sitting there and I'm like, what the fuck is with this fucking guy? And we hear whoa, whoa, whoa. Apparently, Buzz has stormed out of the babyface locker room.

Speaker 6 And as he comes in, tries to come into our trailer. He pulls that Winnebago door open and just pulls it off the hinges.
It's just flimsy anyway.

Speaker 6 And he gets flummoxed coming up on the block of wood they put to step up into this thing. And he comes in this goddamn room and what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 6 Hitting me like a mark because he knew I had the fucking edge of it, right?

Speaker 6 I said, What the fuck are you doing? Hitting me like a fucking mark.

Speaker 6 And that, and as he's starting to yell, Dennis Condry

Speaker 6 is over in the side with his hand right down in his bag because he's like this fucking mental lunatic. We didn't like him anyway.
Most people didn't. He took advantage of the job guy.

Speaker 6 He would come to TV,

Speaker 6 Atlanta TV on Saturday mornings, after having probably never even been to sleep. And he'd say, I forgot my bag.

Speaker 6 And he would borrow tights and boots from the job guys and then leave after TV still wearing them.

Speaker 6 And the guys that only might only have one set of tights or one boots, they're scared to ask him for them back.

Speaker 6 Fucking prick.

Speaker 5 You know, it's so interesting you say that. I never even thought about it, but there are times you see him on Georgia Championship Wrestling and he's wearing an outfit you never saw him wear before

Speaker 6 yeah

Speaker 6 and i mean and besides the people that he took money from to try to train him to wrestle in his latter days of his career when he'd burnt all of his bridges and magnum and all those people yeah magnum and he didn't take anyone's money well but i'm saying back then but he was just he was a prick He was an asshole.

Speaker 6 He was a loose nut.

Speaker 6 And he died on his fucking porch of a drug overdose because he was a fucking irresponsible asshole. But nevertheless, back to this.
So Dennis has his hand in the bag and he just screaming.

Speaker 6 And I'm standing there like, there's four of us. And I know Dennis's arms.
So I believe it's about even if this motherfucker goes off.

Speaker 6 And he just screamed and slobbered like he did on his promos about how I'd fucking hit him in the head. And then he left and took the door the rest of the way off.
And

Speaker 6 I think that was probably the last week he was around. We might have seen him once or two, one or two times after that.

Speaker 6 But fuck him.

Speaker 5 You want to talk about a crazy buddy film of epic proportions? It goes the mid-south where Slater becomes the booker somehow. And he's booking for Bill Watts.

Speaker 5 And at this point in time, he's wearing a fedora. Like, Slater's dressing nice for Slater.

Speaker 5 So he's riding around with himself, Buzz Sawyer, and Dark Journey. Like, what a fucking combo that must have been on the road.

Speaker 6 and that's we were talking about slater we got sidetracked on buzz but slater was a tremendous worker and he could have an nwa world heavyweight title match with any champion and it would be impeccable

Speaker 6 and he could talk and he had that fucking oomph to him but he just

Speaker 6 and he got weirder as he got older wasn't he in i hate to accuse people of things, but was he the guy I'm thinking about that got in some kind of legitimate legal trouble after his wrestling days?

Speaker 5 Where he

Speaker 6 fucked with somebody or fucked them up bad.

Speaker 5 I don't remember the exact details, but I remember seeing mug shots. That's the only reason why I think you're right about that.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then after Mid-South, it becomes the rebel Dick Slater in WWF and his career. I'd never recovered from that.

Speaker 6 But he and Bob Orton Jr.

Speaker 5 were

Speaker 5 maybe the. I was there.

Speaker 6 Well, no, but he and Bob Orton Jr. in 82, 83, or what was it, 81, 82, 83 in the Carolinas were probably the best in-ring heel team in the business.

Speaker 6 And I researched a couple of their things for the Midnight Express. And then that's why I had them at the Night of Legends.
Slater and Orton were a phenomenal team

Speaker 6 to work the Legends match with Ronnie Garvin and the Stomper. If Mac McMurray, the Legend referee, hadn't fucked up and seen the last false tag, it would have been even better.

Speaker 6 But that was the best work match of the night.

Speaker 5 No, that match was so much fun. It was like a big surprise that night in the building.

Speaker 6 It was a 1977 main event

Speaker 6 southern tag team match.

Speaker 6 And just it just was flawless until, as I said, the referee

Speaker 6 it up at the end. But,

Speaker 6 you know, but they were a wonderful tag team. But yeah, Slater had

Speaker 6 issues outside the ring on several occasions.

Speaker 5 Ladies and gentlemen, we will return after this short commercial timeout.

Speaker 6 dearly beloved we are gathered here today to speak to the wrestling fans

Speaker 6 place your hands on the radio

Speaker 5 all right

Speaker 5 We are here in the future, ladies and gentlemen. Time travel was a bit odd this week, but I heard a sermon, so I decided to stop and listen, and then I started playing again.

Speaker 5 But we are here, that's the point, in the future. Jim?

Speaker 5 Yes. This morning, as we are recording, I received an email.
Did you get an email from Amazon about the AEW pay-per-view?

Speaker 6 No, what?

Speaker 5 I got an email this morning from Amazon. Now, if you remember...

Speaker 6 Are they complaining about it, too?

Speaker 5 AEW Wrestle Dream.

Speaker 5 I complained about the fact that I couldn't see the main event. Not that I would want to, but I have to review it.
I have a thing I have to talk about here.

Speaker 6 Yes, you have a duty.

Speaker 5 It literally cut off before all the death and destruction. Like, it cut off before the fish tank, before the Claudio throw.
I didn't get to see any of that. I got a $15 rebate or credit to my account

Speaker 5 and the ability to still access the show.

Speaker 5 They offered me a full refund. I chose this option so I could still access the show in case I needed to see something.

Speaker 5 I got an email this morning saying I'm getting a full refund now

Speaker 5 on top of the $15 credit I already got. And I still have access to the show as of five minutes ago.

Speaker 5 So I have profited from Wrestle Dream.

Speaker 6 You've made money.

Speaker 6 You probably did better than Tony.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 well, they wouldn't email me. They'd email Stacey because all this fancy damn streaming Amazon horseshit

Speaker 6 is

Speaker 6 she is in charge of all of that. So she's got my $50.

Speaker 6 Why, yeah, yeah, I'm going to go down there and

Speaker 6 no, I don't know.

Speaker 6 And I'm assuming that she doesn't check her

Speaker 6 email. She's got umpteen email addresses, and probably what Amazon emails her at is something she probably wouldn't check.
I don't know. I'm going to delve into this.

Speaker 6 But how much did that cost AEW then?

Speaker 6 Or did did

Speaker 6 anybody establish whose fault it was

Speaker 6 that that happened on the

Speaker 6 live showing of the Amazon Prime video? Whatever the fuck.

Speaker 6 What was that glitch? Whose fault was it?

Speaker 5 We haven't heard any reasoning or what happened. The only thing we know is that it didn't happen.
on other platforms, only on Amazon Prime.

Speaker 6 Well, but wasn't that right about the time they went past

Speaker 6 some hour window? Like that was the four-hour mark or the five-hour mark on the, or did they do one of those things where it's like nobody believed it could last that long?

Speaker 5 I don't know if that's what they did. I mean, it would be nice to think that's the reason, but we have no reason.
We don't know anything. Here's the email I received.
Hello.

Speaker 5 We understand that you recently had issues watching AEW Wrestle Dream pay-per-view event through Prime Video.

Speaker 5 We apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced throughout the evening and want to make things right.

Speaker 5 We have applied a full refund for the event to your account, which will be applied back to the original payment method in five to seven business days.

Speaker 5 If you previously requested a refund, your refund has already been processed.

Speaker 5 Refunds usually go through within five to seven business days and you will see this amount credited on your next statement. Please note, this does not include processing time by your bank.

Speaker 5 We place high value on our relationships with customers and recognize you have multiple options when choosing your pay-per-view provider. We thank you for purchasing through Prime Video.

Speaker 5 Sincerely, Prime Video.

Speaker 6 Well, at least we know who it's from. But

Speaker 6 again,

Speaker 6 that's coming out of AEW's pocket too, right? They're not covering their part of the bargain.

Speaker 5 i mean you would think that they're not going to pay aew

Speaker 5 if they're giving everyone full refunds again i got a 15 credit first now i'm getting the full refund

Speaker 5 i feel like ticket master i got to hit them with a fee my inconvenience fee is 15 now i want my money back yes and also i want to continue to watch this show whenever i want

Speaker 5 you would think aew didn't make any money from this we don't know what percentage of people went through prime they're pushing max or hbo max

Speaker 6 but you did you know for one thing I got to be I got to be on Tony Khan's side that if

Speaker 5 he did nothing wrong if it's Amazon's problem. That's right.

Speaker 6 Well, if the technical malfunction was on Amazon's end,

Speaker 6 then

Speaker 6 you know, then they need to do whatever they need to do. But if it was on Tony's end, yeah, you know, then he's going to have to suffer also.

Speaker 6 But I would think somebody in AEW would be checking into this.

Speaker 5 And again, the tone of the email is, I think the big point maybe at the end, we recognize you have multiple options when choosing your pay-per-view provider. That's the key thing.

Speaker 5 They want you to come back and buy something there again.

Speaker 5 Not think about the main event going off and it being a purple screen.

Speaker 6 Well, and they're probably not

Speaker 6 altogether happy that I don't understand how

Speaker 6 these pay-per-views, if any one entity,

Speaker 6 is going to get behind them fully if they're available in four or five different places. Do you see what I'm trying to awkwardly say here? Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's like the marketing or the merchandising or the placement of the event on where the screen where people can find it or whatever, you'd be more likely to want that to succeed if you were the only place that was offering it.

Speaker 6 But if it's everywhere, well, you know, what the fuck? Then it becomes as another brand of potato chips on a shelf.

Speaker 5 Well, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 Sounds like Amazon ate price and a half from me.

Speaker 5 Again, I mean, I made out on this pay-per-view. I mean, it's a good experience.
By the way, it's a thing that no promoter has done before.

Speaker 5 Make sure that the fans really profit, the real fans, not like the models in Georgia, but the real fans get paid to watch the pay-per-view events.

Speaker 6 Well, remember, what was that guy's name? Paul Alperstein? Oh, the AWF.

Speaker 6 The American Wrestling Federation. He actually paid a thousand people 20 bucks apiece to come sit in a building and cheer and boo for his TV taping one time.
This was what, 1992?

Speaker 5 No, 92. 95-ish.
Because he wanted to get Tito on the night of champions, didn't he?

Speaker 6 Yes, Tito was a commissioner. On the Super Bowl, wasn't he?

Speaker 5 On the Super Bowl. No, Tito was the AWF World Champion.
And I think, if I remember right from what you said back then, they tried to get Tito.

Speaker 5 on the show and you just thought it was too late. I mean, at least that was a nice thing you were saying.
Who knows? But it didn't happen. That was 95.

Speaker 6 Oh, that's right. I forgot about that too.
Well, thank you for reminding me now about shit that I was involved in. But yeah,

Speaker 6 the joke was at the time,

Speaker 6 he was the first guy in history that had a negative $20,000 house.

Speaker 6 People had lost $20,000 before in wrestling,

Speaker 6 but not

Speaker 6 by paying the audience to come and sit there.

Speaker 6 Slaughter was the commissioner, is who it was at the time, wasn't it?

Speaker 5 I think so. That may have been it.

Speaker 6 Because there was a lot of AWA people involved.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that was, I think, the last place I ever saw Tom Zinc wrestle was some squash match on. It was a terrible show.
Like, there was no... It was just like squash matches in front of a paid audience.

Speaker 6 But the people loved it.

Speaker 6 They cheered and booed.

Speaker 5 You know, it was not good. It was just not good.

Speaker 5 But Tito was their heavyweight champion.

Speaker 5 I guess we're finishing up. That was the Amazon Prime refund story.

Speaker 5 It would be very interesting to see what fallout there is from this. But Jim,

Speaker 5 we haven't talked about retro figures in a while. Let's talk about some of the latest figures that various independent toy companies have put out to recapture that feeling of the old

Speaker 5 Hasbro or different figures, different things.

Speaker 6 Recapture that feeling of the old stuff you thought you were going to get from Power Town.

Speaker 5 You know what? I got a Power Town update. You want to hear a Power Town update?

Speaker 6 What is a Power Town update?

Speaker 5 This is maybe one of the more pathetic updates I've ever had to give here on the show, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5 What we last covered was Greg Gagne and Magnum TA doing a podcast where not only did they not say where anything was, they made it sound like, if you push us too hard, you'll get nothing.

Speaker 5 And I'll go home.

Speaker 6 It was one of the more. I don't have to put up with this.

Speaker 5 It was one of the more stunning and tone-deaf things I've ever seen. Needless to say, multiple toy companies have delivered lots of product to lots of people since that time.

Speaker 5 They're the only ones still unable to get anything that may or may not have been manufactured sent here to America.

Speaker 5 They said they're going to come by airmail. But anyway, that was the last thing we heard.
Then everyone went radio silent because obviously that didn't go well for anyone involved in that production.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Remember, Magnum said that they had unlimited storage space in a warehouse in Alabama?

Speaker 6 Yes,

Speaker 6 I do remember that statement there.

Speaker 5 There's a warehouse. I don't even think I should say their name here, but there's a company in Alabama because I have their address, Gulf Shores, Alabama.

Speaker 6 That's all the way down

Speaker 6 on the Gulf Coast, by the way.

Speaker 5 That sells Power Town figures. You'll get emails from them and they're always marked way down.
Like they just keep marking them down, but they must have a lot of inventory there

Speaker 5 a lot of stuff but i've even bought a few things from them just to use them as gifts to give to people before i realized boy they really have a whole lot of these

Speaker 5 i got an email from them so this is a store

Speaker 5 again it's a store selling power town stuff

Speaker 5 and here's the email

Speaker 5 We have had the honor of working with Mike Rotunda and getting to know him the last several years. The impact that Mike left on the wrestling industry dates back decades and is still being felt today.

Speaker 5 Join us in praying for Mike and his family during these difficult times. And then they have a bunch of microtunda merchandise here they want you to buy.

Speaker 5 Mike Rotunda autograph 8x10s, microtunda t-shirts. They use this as an opportunity to try and sell microtunda merchandise.

Speaker 5 Just when you think none of this, like none of the people involved in this can go any lower. What the hell is that? Who thought that was a good idea? And where are the figures? And where's the money?

Speaker 5 But again, we have no answers to anything, but that's the latest update.

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 6 it,

Speaker 6 all right. Well,

Speaker 6 now, was there any statement like, and all of the money that we take in from the sales of Mike Rotunda's merchandise listed here is going to the family in this trying time or anything like that?

Speaker 6 Or just, hey, we really hope he gets better here. Here's some merchandise.

Speaker 5 No, it's an email where it says featured legend, the iconic legacy of Mike Rotunda. And it's just a bunch of merchandise they're just selling after they ask you to pray for them.
Pray for him.

Speaker 5 And by the way, if you're really thinking about him, buy this t-shirt.

Speaker 6 So well, I got a power town update. Oh, by the way, because

Speaker 6 I actually found.

Speaker 6 Remember, I told you that I had Stan send me the contract that Greg Gagne had told me he'd signed already. And he said, I didn't sign shit.
I just told him to send me the, you know, the deal.

Speaker 6 And I forgot to mention one thing when I said, well, you know, they'd have to sell millions of dollars to for Stand to Make X, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 6 Also, do you know the term of the deal?

Speaker 6 No. Did I mention that? Because I reminded myself of that when I looked at this.

Speaker 6 The term of the deal on the talents part

Speaker 6 is basically for fucking ever,

Speaker 6 unless they were to breach, which obviously they've breached everything they've they've had in their breeches, but

Speaker 6 they could like Ixne the talent,

Speaker 6 you know, okay, and then there was a sell-off period of one year where they're allowed to sell whatever they've manufactured and this and that,

Speaker 6 but they could apart by mutual

Speaker 6 arrangement, but otherwise there was no time limit. It was like the fucking guy was assigned to them

Speaker 6 forevermore. And how long,

Speaker 6 as we mentioned, would it take for them to,

Speaker 6 in the best of circumstances, if they were doing what they were supposed to be doing, manufacture and sell figures for over 200 talents?

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 hopefully some of those people that signed up were in their early 30s because it's going to take a while.

Speaker 5 The contract you saw, Stan's contract,

Speaker 5 was it explicitly just for a certain size of wrestling figures or was it for merchandise beyond that? Was it for any wrestling figure? What was it?

Speaker 6 Oh, it's-I don't have it here where I can grab it, but it's for a variety of merchandise and different things, intellectual property, and your likeness and image, and etc.

Speaker 6 But Noah, they had grand plans for all kinds of different types of things,

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 and also,

Speaker 6 well, it's not a secret apparently it is to them but stan lane's real name

Speaker 6 and why i i think i mentioned it why he always hated to be called stanley is wallace stanfield lane his dad's name was wally wallace

Speaker 6 and his middle name is stanfield

Speaker 6 and when they made the contract up

Speaker 6 They have made it to Wallace Stanfield, aka Stan Lane.

Speaker 6 His real last name is Lane. They got that wrong.

Speaker 5 We were so close to Big Night Express, beautiful Bobby, and Wacky Wally.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Wacky Wally.

Speaker 6 Wonderful Wally.

Speaker 5 Wonderful Wally.

Speaker 5 It's a name you don't hear too much anymore. The Mets had a great second baseman, Wally Backman, but you don't hear too many Wallys anymore.

Speaker 6 And there was Wally Gator.

Speaker 5 That's true. Me TV Tunes.

Speaker 5 Well, it's your show. Well, that was the Power Town update, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5 Of course,

Speaker 5 we can only hope these guys all get sued. 87750 Steve.
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Speaker 5 Jim, let's talk about a topic that

Speaker 5 has arisen. Let me open this email here.
Because a bunch of people started sending this over in the last day.

Speaker 5 Have you seen the controversy over, I guess it started with Goldberg's comments about Asuka?

Speaker 6 Oh my God. He, I didn't hear the comments, but I saw a transcript of the basic gist of it is that he's thinking

Speaker 6 that the WWE had

Speaker 6 Asuka break his record of the streak or whatever it was that she broke

Speaker 6 just to get even with him or to

Speaker 6 make him look bad. Is this basically the gist?

Speaker 5 Here's the quote from real talk with mike burke

Speaker 5 some girl at wwe

Speaker 5 they did it on purpose i have nothing against the girl by any means but yeah

Speaker 5 i was a part of wcw and we were kicking their ass in the monday night wars

Speaker 5 i didn't know what was going on at the time i was just on one of the sides now one side dissolves and the other side consumes everything so they could treat everyone and everything the way they want.

Speaker 5 i think there's always going to be the bird in their ass that i was a part of a company where i was a champion in a very short period of time and we were beating them in the ratings

Speaker 5 so that's the full quote there what are your thoughts

Speaker 6 so was it the win streak i mean i don't know what they did with asuka

Speaker 6 our friend oscar over

Speaker 5 okay yeah

Speaker 6 okay

Speaker 6 But she's fighting girls.

Speaker 6 Is anybody going to confuse that with goldberg's win streak that was the hot thing for a period of time in the money night war

Speaker 6 and does he realize that the chic had a goddamn streak in toronto for seven years he never lost and he sold about in that time three or four million tickets

Speaker 6 And it, it, and I think there's a streak going back to, I don't know, when

Speaker 6 Luthes was the champion for eight fucking years. He didn't do a lot of jobs, did he? What is he on about, as our friends cross pond would say?

Speaker 5 I'm thinking maybe Bret Hart put a curse on him. Like you will be miserable too.

Speaker 5 But yet now is this becoming a

Speaker 6 it's becoming a bitch off.

Speaker 5 And I like, and I like Bret Hart and I like both guys, but you know, it's where did this come from? Where did this come from?

Speaker 6 I just, I now,

Speaker 6 but I'm telling you

Speaker 6 that it comes from all directions. A lot of these guys are marks for themselves because

Speaker 6 of something or other.

Speaker 6 Either because in Brett's case, he legitimately was one of the best and

Speaker 6 that he believes he's better than that.

Speaker 6 And in Goldberg's case, he wasn't ever smart to the business before. He was on top of it.
So he doesn't know how the fuck it works or what the fuck is done.

Speaker 6 But to say, well, a girl wrestler in

Speaker 6 modern day won more matches in a row than I did when I was a ratings draw and a fucking ticket seller.

Speaker 6 Nobody's going to goddamn confuse those. And

Speaker 6 he didn't invent a winning streak. Every top box office draw that has ever been had one.

Speaker 6 How long you think Rocco went without doing a job?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's why Asuka had the streak. They wanted to get her over.
That was their goal. We want to get her over.
She's really good in our eyes. What are we going to do?

Speaker 5 That'll make her stand out from everyone else. How about not lose?

Speaker 6 There you go.

Speaker 5 Well, here's Asuka's response on Twitter

Speaker 5 at WWE Asuka, the legendary Empress Asuka.

Speaker 5 Goldberg's comments about me are all over the news right now.

Speaker 5 But honestly, I'm not bothered by it at all.

Speaker 5 What he said came from his own perspective, and that's fine. So So there's really no need to make such a big deal out of it.

Speaker 5 Listen to my philosophy. It's not about what I accomplish.
It's about what I try to create. Philosophy and vision, that's where the real value is.
I don't find meaning in anything without beauty.

Speaker 5 I've achieved every record, every title, but those are just milestones. What really matters is opening a new era, creating the moment that separates before Asuka and after Asuka.

Speaker 5 Having the power to change an era. That's where true value and beauty exist.

Speaker 5 I don't chase records or championships.

Speaker 6 Jesus Christ, she don't chase brevity either.

Speaker 5 They're the ones that come to me.

Speaker 5 There's not enough art in this world.

Speaker 6 Oh, there's not enough art in the world.

Speaker 5 What are your thoughts on Asuka's response to Goldberg?

Speaker 6 Well, first off, my thoughts are that English is her second language and she writes better than Russo.

Speaker 6 I'm glad she's not bothered by it, but I don't know that that

Speaker 6 particular thing deserved that long of an explanation. But bless her little heart is all I've got to say.
Bless her little heart.

Speaker 6 I think they're all nuts. I I think every single fucking last one of them is nuttier than a goddamn fruitcake.
Full of shit as a Christmas turkey. How about that?

Speaker 5 You think it would be a good WrestleMania match, Goldberg versus Asuka?

Speaker 5 Old Streak versus Old Streak?

Speaker 6 What about if it, do you think he'd be able to spear her, but without hurting himself?

Speaker 6 Tearing a quad or something at this point?

Speaker 5 I don't know. Man, he's he really must be pissed off still.
And again, I don't blame him for the way they treated his retirement match.

Speaker 6 Well, no, that was a complete botch of live television and just, it was a mess. So I don't blame him for being pissed off at that.
But

Speaker 6 again, a lot of these things can be true. Brett said Goldberg wasn't smart to the business.
He wasn't really still probably not.

Speaker 6 It relates to how somebody who. was involved in it for years and years at a high level, you know, would be.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 5 you know, one last thing.

Speaker 6 One of the comments, and Asuka's a philosopher.

Speaker 5 One of the comments here was an old tweet. It does not have the date of it, but it's uh, you can tell by the image, it's Asuka from years ago.
And this is, I guess, when she first had the streak.

Speaker 5 She tweeted out, I respect Goldberg so much, he is amazing. I am honored to be the undefeated champion with the longest streak in WWE history.
Hashtag WWE, hashtag WWE NXT.

Speaker 5 To which Scott Hall replied, you're much more talented than Goldberg.

Speaker 5 So this feud goes back a ways, it appears, Jim. But,

Speaker 5 you know.

Speaker 6 Oh, yes, they call him the streak. There are people.
Look at that, look at that.

Speaker 5 There are people that think maybe Goldberg is unhappy because of the current state of things. Yes.
If he wants to see Saturday night's main event or the next premium live event or RAW or SmackDown,

Speaker 5 he has to get all these different streaming services. One here, one there.
What is he going to do?

Speaker 6 He just wants to watch.

Speaker 5 It's expensive. It's a pain in the neck.
He just wants to watch his wrestling. We know a way.

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Speaker 6 Do what you want to do.

Speaker 5 Go where you want to. Jim, here we are.
A couple more things. I mentioned retro figures.
Instead, we talked about Powertown. So a few retro figures.
Oh,

Speaker 6 They really are retro, aren't they?

Speaker 5 I mentioned this company before because I like their name so much. Latuni.

Speaker 5 Latuni. From their wrestling Everest series.
No, it's not Darby Allen with a flag. It is a giant, I guess, a foot and a half long Macho Man Randy Savage.
I have my... Oh my god.

Speaker 6 When you said giant foot and a half long, I didn't know where you were going with that.

Speaker 5 From what I understand, Vince McMahon also has a toy he calls a giant foot and a half long Macho Man. Oh,

Speaker 5 we have this one. It is really cool.
I have one displayed next to the creature from the Black Lagoon in the library right now.

Speaker 5 This is from Latuni, and it says, it has some of his catchphrases on the side here. Jim, what are your thoughts on some of these catchphrases here? Too hot to handle, too cold to hold?

Speaker 5 Of course,

Speaker 6 when did he ever say that?

Speaker 5 He must have said it in a promo at some point. He did a lot of promos.

Speaker 6 Well, Well, I've seen a lot of his promos.

Speaker 6 That sounds a little more like Tom Boogaloo Shaft.

Speaker 5 We're in space and space is the place.

Speaker 6 What the.

Speaker 5 He definitely said space is the place. I've heard him do that.

Speaker 6 Have you heard him say space is the place?

Speaker 5 You never heard him say space is the place. I don't believe this.
You actually saw ICW.

Speaker 6 I heard him when he was saying Ace is the place for the helpful hardware.

Speaker 5 I know.

Speaker 6 When he did that hardware store commercial but

Speaker 6 I don't

Speaker 5 I'm the tower of power too sweet to be sour that's dusty

Speaker 6 and that's superstar graham and that's actually

Speaker 6 I believe at one point Austin Idol

Speaker 5 10,000 years as intercontinental champion ooh yeah

Speaker 5 That's him, I would assume.

Speaker 6 I'll buy the ooh yeah.

Speaker 5 And expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness. But this is very, very cool from latuni a giant giant macho man but where where's guaranteed personified man

Speaker 5 other than ooh yeah

Speaker 5 what would you say from all the randy savage you saw throughout your life what would you say is his main catchphrase or the one

Speaker 6 that's what i'm on the icw show

Speaker 6 where i first saw him and where he was you know, 20 minutes of the 60-minute show, probably a lot of weeks. Ooh, yeah, guaranteed personified.
He would say guaranteed personified about 16 times per

Speaker 6 promo.

Speaker 5 What about freak out, freak out?

Speaker 6 Freak out, freak out, macho man. Yeah, dig it.

Speaker 6 Dig it was another one.

Speaker 5 A lot of those promos from the ICW period, he almost sounds hoarse. Like it's a it's a more desperate sounding macho man and a lot of them.

Speaker 6 Well, here he was hoarse because he was doing those fucking promos for all our goddamn towns.

Speaker 5 All right, we probably couldn't talk for five years jim speaking of people that i think work for icw at uh one point

Speaker 5 from kwk

Speaker 5 their kfabe heroes line these are in the retro hasbro look

Speaker 5 the first ever ox baker figure oh my god there are three variants red pants yellow pants black pants, all with ox on it, because that's the way it looked.

Speaker 5 What color do you associate with Ox Baker when you think of his trunks?

Speaker 6 well i know he branched out into the lighter colors you know uh at later points in his career but don't you always think of ox in either the like the black or the gray the dark

Speaker 6 because they're they and he didn't just wear trunks he wore the long tights because

Speaker 6 did you ever see ox baker's legs i don't think he ever i don't think so displayed his legs but uh

Speaker 5 but you know the the dark colors and then did you ever see his legs?

Speaker 6 Well, no.

Speaker 6 No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 When I say trunks, I meant pants. He's not wearing trunks.

Speaker 6 Well, that's where I'm going. Also, but he wore the tights, the tights rather than pants.

Speaker 6 Now, he later on

Speaker 6 actually, I think, worked in like a pants type of outfit. But back in the

Speaker 6 Dick the Bruiser days in the early 70s. He had the dark long trunks and tights on and the black boots with ox on the side of them.
And he would would wear that,

Speaker 6 what do they call them, a tunic, like a leopard or tiger print tunic that accentuated his big shoulders or some kind of shit like that.

Speaker 6 And then I love it. He did it in Texas.
He never did it in Indianapolis, but sometimes he would come to the ring with a stretcher.

Speaker 6 The old-fashioned stretch, just the two

Speaker 6 strips of wood like the broomsticks or whatever and fucking canvas in between it type of stretcher.

Speaker 6 And it would, and he'd lean it up in the corner next to him when he'd be introduced, and it would say Ox Baker's Carryout Service.

Speaker 6 And that, just that type of stuff. I don't associate him with colors because he was.

Speaker 5 See, I thought red. Red was the first one I went to based on the photos I always saw of him.

Speaker 6 I remember seeing pictures of him in red. I don't know that I ever actually saw him wear red.
That may have been the what, 80s Florida run.

Speaker 5 No, I think I no, what color was he wearing during the riot?

Speaker 6 Oh, goddamn. I don't know.
I never thought to look.

Speaker 5 I'm now going to look because I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 I'm just going to Google Ox Baker Riot

Speaker 5 and it comes right up. He's wearing red.
Wow, there it is.

Speaker 6 He's wearing red. Well, son of a bitch.

Speaker 6 Well, at least it matched his head after the guy busted him open with the chair.

Speaker 5 I understand Sean Ng from KWK is working on a Johnny Powers now with removable hair. He could just take right off and put back on.

Speaker 5 There's some fans laughing at that somewhere, but uh, thank you, Sean. Hello, and uh, very cool figure here.
You also just put out a couple of uh berserkers, John.

Speaker 6 Are Ox's fists taped?

Speaker 5 His one fist is taped, his other hand is okay a claw-like position.

Speaker 6 There you go, okay.

Speaker 5 All right, well, that's Ox Baker from KWK and their Kayfabe Heroes. Jim, Zombie Sailor has put out another batch of toys.

Speaker 5 This first one here,

Speaker 5 he's known best as ahmed johnson this is tony norris

Speaker 5 six foot two 305 pounds pearl river mississippi

Speaker 5 jim

Speaker 5 what's up with the look

Speaker 5 of

Speaker 5 was it elbow pads on his thigh on top of the knee pads like there were a lot of pads on his legs and it was a weird look

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, and they were knee pads, but they were on his thighs. But I don't think anybody makes an elbow pad go running them fucking thighs.
But yeah, that it was a style choice that I've not seen.

Speaker 6 I mean, again, I did it in a completely uncomparable way to Ahmed Johnson when I was a man wrestling,

Speaker 6 forced into being in a wrestling match as a manager. I would put like three or four knee pads down my whole leg from my thigh to my fucking ankle or whatever and do that type of thing.
But he just,

Speaker 6 I don't know, maybe he didn't think his thighs were big enough. I don't fucking know.
Or it just looked good to him, but I've never seen anybody else do that.

Speaker 6 No, we talked about him wearing them on their shins, but not on the thighs.

Speaker 5 Not all the way up from my shin to upper thigh.

Speaker 6 Just all the way up to the edge of your dick hair. Just, yeah.

Speaker 5 What, uh, who was the first person you remember complaining about Ahmed Johnson?

Speaker 6 Who was the first person he worked with?

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 he was not

Speaker 6 a popular opponent for anybody because

Speaker 6 he was big, he was strong, he was awkward and

Speaker 6 unpredictable.

Speaker 6 So it's not like anybody ever said, oh, it's a night off tonight. I got Ahmed.
So I don't really know who the first individual person was.

Speaker 5 Jim, also from the Zombie Sailor Wrestling's Heels and Faces line. Someone I have good memories of from his brief run in WWE,

Speaker 5 known best as Hakushi,

Speaker 5 Jinzai Shinzaki.

Speaker 5 What are your memories of Hakushi?

Speaker 6 He was a nice guy and a good worker.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I think,

Speaker 6 remember, Bret Hart had that match with him. We were talking about Bret earlier because Bret believed in him.
And you had a tremendous match with him at a pay-per-view ya and in your house.

Speaker 6 I think the problem was he just didn't fit in the WWF of that time. And, you know, they tried to remember they gave him the full body

Speaker 6 Japanese characters tattoo gimmick, which he was doing that in Japan.

Speaker 6 Was he really?

Speaker 5 He was like the only guy from Michinoku Pro who kind of looked like he could be a heavyweight. I don't know what he really was.

Speaker 5 He was probably a light heavyweight, but compared to like, you know, Super Delphin and the great Suzuki and

Speaker 5 Sasasuke, we call it now, but back then it was Suzuki. And, you know, he was a grown man, is what you're saying.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, this was before, this was 94 or 95, before I got on the creative team. When I saw him show up at that, I'm like, ah, geez, they had to overly make him Japanese.

Speaker 6 I didn't know he was doing it beforehand, but that's the problem is that

Speaker 6 he didn't do a very good promo.

Speaker 6 And he, you know,

Speaker 6 just that was the personality he had was he's got writing all over him. But Vince wasn't going to

Speaker 6 go very far with that just because he didn't see it. Brett loved him, he's a great technician, and Brett wanted to help him and had that match with him.
And

Speaker 6 he was not an unpopular person. Everybody liked he was a good worker, but he just wasn't going to be focused on because that's

Speaker 6 maybe there's a lesson there. That's all he was was a good worker.

Speaker 5 But I think a lot of it, too, is depends on where you go in the era. I think if they had given him a Jim Cornette, it would have helped him.

Speaker 5 They gave him Aquio Sato, who looked cool, but he didn't do anything as a manager. He just had his face painted white and just stood there with him well i think

Speaker 6 i'm trying to remember because again this four i was on the creative team they might have given him sato because i don't know how his english was

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 sato had been around and lived in america for years and years and there were

Speaker 6 there were go-to guys

Speaker 6 back in those days in

Speaker 6 many of the territories or a number of the territories where if you brought Japanese talent in,

Speaker 6 you know, they were the guy you'd put them with because they could speak the language or they could, you know, show them the

Speaker 6 circuit, whatever the case, because their communication. That's why they put Fuchi and Onita with Tojo when they came into Tennessee, because he could carry them around.

Speaker 6 And I mean, Tojo was from Hawaii, but he kind of halfway could communicate with them.

Speaker 5 The difference, though, was also Tojo was established there. The fans knew who he was.
They knew what kind of heel he could be.

Speaker 5 Sato, they didn't even reference that it was the same guy from the Oregon Express a few years earlier, five years earlier, whatever it was. But

Speaker 5 it was cool looking, but it went nowhere.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Sato wasn't a good manager, but Vince didn't care

Speaker 6 because he didn't care anyway. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 That was just one of those deals.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, one more from this line: the wrestling heels and faces from Zombie Sailor.

Speaker 5 Someone who was there when you first got to WWE and then quickly was kind of phased out, even though he had a feud going with the Undertaker. Mr.

Speaker 5 hughes curtains oh good lord the big cat this is a pretty cool figure it has a movable tie holds an urn which you can take out of his hand and has a removable hat what are your memories of mr hughes and right was he was he still there when you got there he was right

Speaker 6 yes uh we we were two ships that passed in the night briefly a couple different places but

Speaker 6 He kind of, you know, I liked him

Speaker 6 the times I was around him, and I kind of liked the look because he kind of updated the Big Bubba Rogers look type of thing with the suit and the whole nine yards.

Speaker 6 And that worked for him. And when he was

Speaker 6 Luger's bodyguard in WCW, the kind of the Big Bubba, you know, position or whatever.

Speaker 6 I've told you this before, I think, but he had a great fucking gimmick he would do.

Speaker 6 where he didn't have to on the road, he didn't have to pay for hotels because he would actually go to the front desk of whatever hotel Luger was staying in and tell them that he was Lex Luger's bodyguard and he was going to be in the lobby all night to make sure that nothing happened and he'd sleep on a couch in the fucking lobby for free.

Speaker 5 And he was a narcoleptic, right? He could just fall asleep.

Speaker 6 Yes, he could just boom, just go to sleep. And, you know, sometimes when he didn't want to.

Speaker 6 And I think that's, you know,

Speaker 6 that's probably one of the problems he had was just dropping off to sleep in the middle of things.

Speaker 6 But,

Speaker 6 but

Speaker 6 he was an interesting guy and had the size and everything and a good look. Nice.
I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 6 Didn't he have some other?

Speaker 6 He was in and out of the business for a while at the end. Did he have an injury or a problem or something? And then he was back and then he was gone again.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure. It was really weird the way he would reappear and disappear.
He was there in 93 for that feud with The Undertaker, and then he was gone. And then I think he reappeared in what, 95?

Speaker 5 Was he with Triple H at one point?

Speaker 6 I think so.

Speaker 5 Was he with Jericho at one point? Maybe I'm completely wrong about it. He kept reappearing

Speaker 5 with,

Speaker 5 again, I'm just randomly throwing out names, but I think he was there like three or four times where he just kind of popped up and then he was gone pretty quickly.

Speaker 6 Consistency is the key. That's what he didn't have.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, two more I'll hit you with here from Hastel Toys and their grapplers and gimmicks line.

Speaker 5 Dean Douglas, the first ever Dean Douglas figure.

Speaker 5 It comes with a paddle that says the Dean.

Speaker 6 It comes with a paddle.

Speaker 5 And of course, this is from 1995.

Speaker 5 Were you surprised that they gave Shane Douglas that gimmick, considering you would think if you're going to try to sign Shane Douglas based on what he's been doing the last couple of years, that may not be what you would do.

Speaker 6 Well, here's the problem.

Speaker 6 And again, it goes back to Shane opened his fucking foolish mouth in the meeting with Vince.

Speaker 6 Because remember, I said Vince,

Speaker 6 the first time that he would ever see a lot of these guys ever, not just in person,

Speaker 6 but in any form, he wouldn't have seen, didn't watch any other wrestling, wouldn't have seen any video.

Speaker 6 He has a meeting with guys and he asks them about

Speaker 6 what they do in their fucking real life or their spare time or their hobbies. He wants to get to know the person.

Speaker 6 And that's how poor Bill Irwin ended up being the goon with those fucking goofy hockey blade fucking boots.

Speaker 6 And that's how poor old Tony Anthony ended up being a fucking plumber because he was helping his dad with his plumbing company.

Speaker 5 And well, who did he say that to, though? It wasn't Tony Anthony. Didn't sit and meet with Vince, did he?

Speaker 6 No, he would again

Speaker 6 with this, it carried over to Bruce and to the people that would

Speaker 6 funnel information to Vince, whether, you know, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't sit down,

Speaker 6 you know, and go over at least notes that Bruce might have or whatever about a guy. But with in this case,

Speaker 6 it's another example of,

Speaker 6 well, this guy in his, you know, real life or spare time or whatever. I mean, in some cases, it works.

Speaker 6 That's where Percy Pringle got Paul Bear spot because he was legitimately a licensed mortician.

Speaker 6 It wasn't a rib.

Speaker 6 And he had known Mark from

Speaker 6 Dallas, you know, before. So sometimes it works out.
But

Speaker 6 who are we talking about originally?

Speaker 5 The Dean. Dean Douglas.

Speaker 6 Oh, Douglas.

Speaker 6 So at the time,

Speaker 6 Shane had gone to school or was going to school or was doing some kind of substitute teaching or whatever.

Speaker 6 I don't remember his whole resume, but the point is,

Speaker 6 he was either teaching or going to be teaching or had taught something over in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 And so that's what Vince fixated on.

Speaker 6 And because Shane does have a way of speaking, when he's trying to be professional and speaking, he sounds like, or tries to sound like he's a very educated person.

Speaker 6 And I bet Vince thought, well, he can use big words and get heat as a heel, whatever. I don't know.
How does Vince's mind work?

Speaker 6 But that's what doomed him because,

Speaker 6 you know, God,

Speaker 6 I didn't expect Shane Douglas to come in as the franchise like he was at ECW because he wouldn't be the franchise because there was a lot of guys. Let's just,

Speaker 6 I mean, be honest and recognize real life. He wasn't better than Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart and a number of other people.

Speaker 6 But to make him a school teacher in a long blue gown and a fucking

Speaker 6 hat and the goddamn paddle was just, it was destined for failure. It was another one's goofy

Speaker 6 lifestyle, or not lifestyle, but career gimmicks. This guy's a teacher and this guy's a plumber and this guy's.

Speaker 6 They can't make any money in wrestling they got to be got to have another line of work

Speaker 5 so that's what happened there you know if only shane had said something else because the one story we heard is fans back then not as like you know i'm in the business but as a fan shane douglas

Speaker 5 is a teacher and he could always go back to that and also shane douglas It was either he's thinking about medical school or he's going to be a doctor or he wants to go to medical school.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you remember hearing that, but that was a rude ear.

Speaker 5 That's what he should have said to Vince. You would have had a better success rate as some bad doctor as opposed to a bad teacher.

Speaker 6 Well, but wait a minute now,

Speaker 6 because that was the that was the year before Isaac Yankum was a dentist.

Speaker 5 That's a it's a different, you know, different school.

Speaker 6 What he would have had Shane Douglas given gynecological examinations or something.

Speaker 5 Well, like I said, this is the very first Dean Douglas figure with a paddle.

Speaker 5 And one last one here, Jim, from the Hastel Toys Grapplers and Gimmicks line. An underrated tag team that we probably don't really talk about too much.

Speaker 5 Better known as Strike Force, it doesn't say that here, Betito Santana and Rick Martell, and they come with little jackets that mirror the Strike Force jackets of the 80s.

Speaker 5 What are your thoughts on Strike Force? You know, people always ask you about if the Midnight Express had wrestled the British Bulldogs or the Hart Foundation.

Speaker 5 Strike Force was a, or even demolition. In between all that was Strike Force.
And for a moment there, they were pretty big.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, I mean, Rick Martel was a tremendous worker.

Speaker 6 We talked about him here on one of the programs last month or whenever it was. Just a tremendous worker as a babyface or a heel.
You know, he had it and he was such a good-looking guy. And Tito,

Speaker 6 again, tremendous worker, excellent in-ring talent. And the two of them together,

Speaker 6 you know, they were good-looking guys and they had baby face appeal. So, yeah, I think the Midnight Express and they

Speaker 6 would have been an excellent match.

Speaker 6 I don't,

Speaker 6 I don't know, honestly, to whether

Speaker 6 it would have clicked like the Midnight with the Rock and Roll or the Midnight with the Fantastics.

Speaker 6 You had with the Rock and Roll, you had Ricky Morton selling. With the Fantastics, you just had they were both, there wasn't one standout, although Bobby's promos were better than Tommy's.

Speaker 6 Tommy was a better athlete than Bobby, but Bobby's work was actually better than Tommy's. But they were just so

Speaker 6 young, underdog, white meat, babyface, it clicked like that. But I think, you know, if.

Speaker 6 If Martell and Tito had been in the NWA rather than the WWF, I think they might have gotten over better because, again,

Speaker 6 they were a little

Speaker 6 just ordinary, regular babyface wrestling for Vince to just go to the moon with.

Speaker 5 You know, Rick Martel was really good as a heel when he became the model.

Speaker 5 And sometimes you only think about that, but when you go back and watch footage of him as a babyface, you know, years earlier even than Strike Force, him and Tony Garrea, even before then. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He's almost a perfect babyface. Like the way he would get fired up didn't seem unnatural, even though if you'll watch it, it's really corny.
Just the pumping your fist and shaking your head.

Speaker 5 Like, it's somewhat believable with Rick Martell. He really pulled it off well.

Speaker 6 Well, because he's he's French, he's French-Canadian, and they have that ooh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 5 that's what they always say. Yes, ooh, Bertrand Airburgh is writing a book right now called

Speaker 5 Tito, Jay. What about Tito?

Speaker 6 Well, at Ariba, see? Ooh, yeah, and Ariba.

Speaker 5 That's your final thought on Tito, Ariba?

Speaker 6 Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying.
Together, they would have those. Tito had Ariba, and Rick Martel could go, ooh, yeah.

Speaker 5 My oldest daughter, years ago, when she was in elementary school, had a teacher who somehow came up and she said that. you know, she grew up in the area or in the county.

Speaker 5 Her teacher, her Spanish teacher, had been Mr. Solis, you know, Tito Santana.
And all I'm thinking is: if you walked in there one day and just said, Ariba, would he send you to the dean's office?

Speaker 5 Like, would he be pissed or would he be cool with you? Would he give back to you?

Speaker 6 I think he would be cool with it as long as it wasn't disrupting class because Tito's a nice guy, but he's a very professional fellow.

Speaker 5 Tito and Rick Martel were a good tag team, and they were kind of awkwardly put together.

Speaker 5 There was a backstage promo where they figured out that they're going to strike with force, so they might as well call themselves strike force.

Speaker 5 But they were a replacement for the Can-Am Connection, which were Tom Zink and Rick Martel.

Speaker 5 That's right. And then Tom Zink, whatever it was, he got mad at the money Rick Martell was making,

Speaker 5 or he thought Rick Martell was making, whatever it was.

Speaker 5 He just had like a meltdown and walked out and wouldn't come back. And they had really hard feelings about it.
I think about lawsuits.

Speaker 5 But what do you think of that tag team versus Tito and Rick Martel? One where Rick Martel is kind of the leader of the team and one where you have two guys that have equal experience.

Speaker 6 Anytime you can trade Tom Zinc for Rick Martell or Tom Zinc for Tito Santana, either one, you've traded up.

Speaker 6 Because I don't mean to speak ill of Zinc,

Speaker 6 but he wasn't.

Speaker 6 He wasn't the brightest guy and he wasn't the most polished worker.

Speaker 6 But because he was a good-looking fellow with a nice body, not only did he get a number of chances he might not have got otherwise, but he believed that he deserved all of those chances and more.

Speaker 6 And I'm not saying he was going around being a prick and just, I'm not going to put anybody over, but he would just, you know, he was not,

Speaker 6 he wasn't that good. He just looked good.

Speaker 6 I remember him and Pillman. That's, yeah, we'd get, we'd do most of the spots with Pillman and get the heat on Pillman and then suffer through Zinc's comeback.

Speaker 5 Uh, you were on the booking committee when they brought him in as a Z-Man, weren't you?

Speaker 6 Yes, whose idea was

Speaker 6 well, that's the um, he was where had he been beforehand? Was he in the Midwest beforehand, or was he in New York beforehand?

Speaker 5 No, he had not been in New York for a few years, he left in 87, midway through 87.

Speaker 5 He had been in the AWA at the beginning of 89, briefly, but I mean, whatever that constitutes, being in the AWA in 89, where they were running.

Speaker 6 Well, that's what it, that's, you know, that's what it was. He needed a

Speaker 6 exit strategy, and they see he's a big, good-looking guy. They need new talent, new baby faces, but

Speaker 6 it just, you know, he was just the one that was a step off or whatever. I remember the crossbody on the Clash of Champions.

Speaker 6 Nobody will ever forget that, but it, and I felt bad for him, but it wasn't like he was an asshole. He just wasn't, he was a good-looking guy that like a Barbie and Ken doll.

Speaker 6 There just wasn't much going. He couldn't cut a promo necessarily.

Speaker 6 And then I remember he was there when they first started drug testing. I first started.
I think they first and last drug tested sometime in 1990 in TBS.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 Barnett was going to go talk to him. personally because he failed for marijuana, which was like the most minor thing, right? And actually, I think

Speaker 6 only joked one time, if we flunk everybody for everything, the only ones that'll be here is me and Cornet.

Speaker 6 But he, Zinc

Speaker 6 flunked so spectacularly. His level was so high that they wanted to talk to him and see if he had a problem.

Speaker 6 Maybe that's why he can't remember the spots.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, that was how we're looking at retro figures here today.

Speaker 5 Of course, if if someone wants Midnight Express figures, let alone Jim Cornette figures, they can go to Cornettes Collectibles at JimCornet.com. What's going on there, Jim?

Speaker 6 And they can get them for cheaper than ever before now, or I should say more inexpensive because they're still high quality. JimCornet.com, it's the holiday sale.

Speaker 6 In addition to Heroes and Friends, the new book that is taking up so much of the oxygen, $10 off all remaining Jim Cornette action figures, $20 off the Midnight Express and Heavenly Bodies tag team sets, and $40

Speaker 6 off the Midnight Express four-pack

Speaker 6 that also comes with the certificate of authenticity and the collector's book. And of course, all the figures come, or all the tag team figures come with autographed pictures as well.

Speaker 6 JimCornet.com for more information.

Speaker 5 All right, we'll have a little bit more about that at the end of the show. But, Jim, let's wrap things up with some guess the program.
It's been a while, and I've got a bunch of programs here.

Speaker 5 Let me grab this pile.

Speaker 5 Hey!

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 All righty.

Speaker 5 Jim, of course, guess the program is where I go through programs from my collection, usually things I need to file away, and I hit you with the card and you will give us all the information that you can conjure up.

Speaker 5 Usually we try to guess the date and the location, but sometimes...

Speaker 5 much more detail than even that.

Speaker 6 In the borderline mystical way that I have, I'm going to try to divine these things without ever having noted. And also,

Speaker 6 these programs have been sealed in a mayonnaise jar on Jack Pfeffer's porch since noon today.

Speaker 5 All right, Jim, this one here.

Speaker 5 Match one,

Speaker 5 30-minute time limit, $1,000 on a pole tag team match.

Speaker 5 The Davidson Brothers versus Chris Adams and Tom Pritchard.

Speaker 5 In a one-on-one gladiator match,

Speaker 5 the wrestler must drag his opponent around the ring. Mean Mike Masters vs.
Tony Rodriguez.

Speaker 5 The next match, one fall, ten-minute time limit. Originally, it was going to be Chuck O'Flores,

Speaker 5 but written in Pedro Hernandez

Speaker 5 vs. the Assassin.

Speaker 5 There will be an intermission, followed by a one-hour one-hour time-limit grudge match.

Speaker 5 Victor Rivera versus John Tolis.

Speaker 5 Another intermission. And finally,

Speaker 5 one fall 30-minute time limit, Al Madrill versus Killer Ox Baker.

Speaker 6 Well, we're in the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles.

Speaker 6 And I'm still, I'm going to work on the year because that's the only place that Chris Adams and Tom Pritchard

Speaker 6 would have ever coexisted with John and Rick Davidson. At first, someone might say, well, could it have been Portland? But Portland would not have had Madrill, Rivera, Tolos, and Ox Baker on top.

Speaker 6 And the question is:

Speaker 6 Adams was in Dallas by 82. This Tom started.

Speaker 6 Boy, this is the

Speaker 6 Davidson Brothers.

Speaker 6 They were a big biker-looking tag team, and they had worked for the Chic in Detroit

Speaker 6 in, I'm going to say, 1979-ish, maybe 80-ish.

Speaker 6 From the time that Tom turned pro.

Speaker 6 to where he would have had time to go to Los Angeles, and Adams would have been there at the same time. I've got to think this is Los Angeles Olympic Auditorium 1981.

Speaker 5 Well, Jim, the card.

Speaker 5 Los Angeles, the Olympic Auditorium, or as it says here, the new Olympic,

Speaker 5 Friday, February 27th, 1981, 8 p.m.

Speaker 6 Boom!

Speaker 6 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 5 Warning, no throwing anything into the ring or touching wrestlers at any time. You will be fined or arrested if caught doing so.

Speaker 5 Also, in here,

Speaker 5 Championship Wrestling TV, Channel 34, Saturday morning, 11 a.m.

Speaker 5 The action's better than ever.

Speaker 5 This is as the territory was going out of business. Yeah,

Speaker 6 the action is better than ever, but fewer people are watching.

Speaker 5 Also, Dos Karas is coming to town Friday, the 6th at the Olympic, or March 6th, I should say, March 7th in Fresno.

Speaker 6 You know, I always thought Dos Karas was two-faced.

Speaker 5 That's just me.

Speaker 5 Very good there. Jim, here's our next program.

Speaker 5 The opening contest, one fall, 20-minute time limit. Angelo Savaldi versus Tony Altamore.

Speaker 5 Special midget tag team match, two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit.

Speaker 5 Sonny Boy Cassidy. and the Jamaica kid versus cowboy Bradley and Fuzzy cupid.

Speaker 6 Oh, the fuzzy one.

Speaker 5 A special handicap match, one fall 20-minute time limit. Arnold Skoland, and it's spelled S-K-O-L-A-N-D,

Speaker 5 and Geno Brito

Speaker 5 versus Prince Iukea.

Speaker 5 A one-fall 30-minute match.

Speaker 6 Wait a minute, wait a minute. What now?

Speaker 5 What now?

Speaker 6 You said Skoland and Gino Brito against Prince Iukea and who?

Speaker 5 It's a handicap match, a special handicap match.

Speaker 6 Oh, okay. Well, then, okay, so that's Curtis then, Iakea.

Speaker 5 That's King Curtis. That's right.

Speaker 6 Double.

Speaker 5 Of course, there was a Prince Iakea years later in WCW because Kevin Sullivan named him after King Curtis's early name.

Speaker 6 There you go. Okay.

Speaker 6 Just wanted to make sure everybody was on the same page.

Speaker 5 One fall 30-minute time. We'll meet Baron Mikkel Sikluna from the Isle of Malta versus Chief Bighart.

Speaker 5 An extra bonus, I'll name the championship for the U.S. Heavyweight Championship.
The champion Bobo Brazil

Speaker 5 versus Tarzan Tyler.

Speaker 5 And the main event, two out of three falls, one-hour time limit, for the United States Tag Team Championship,

Speaker 5 Dr. Bill Miller and Dan Miller, the U.S.
Tag Team Champions,

Speaker 5 versus Bruno San Martino and Johnny Valentine.

Speaker 6 Ooh,

Speaker 6 Okie-dokie.

Speaker 6 Ah, Angelo Savoldi. We've talked about the Savoldis many times.
Hopefully he had recovered by that point from being stabbed by Danny Hodge's father.

Speaker 6 Tony Altimore was one of the Sicilians with Lou Albano as a team for

Speaker 6 years.

Speaker 6 The four little fellows led by Fuzzy Cupid, who was the senior midget in this match at that point and probably the biggest name.

Speaker 6 Arnold Scoland,

Speaker 6 obviously a longtime WWWF employee, not only on cameras, Bruno's manager and things, but he ran the White Plains

Speaker 6 Civic Center for the matches there and was an office employee and

Speaker 6 worked in ticket offices for years.

Speaker 6 With Curtis Iakea coming in,

Speaker 6 Prince Iakea,

Speaker 6 and he's still a heel, and he's in this is the Northeast, it's the WWWF territory.

Speaker 6 That puts it in early mid-60s. Sikluna, Baron Michel Sikluna, was again

Speaker 6 long-running Northeast heel. Chief Bighart

Speaker 6 brings it back more to the early 60s, I think.

Speaker 6 Bobo Brazil was the U.S. champion

Speaker 6 sometimes there, but I didn't think

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 he really defended that outside Washington, D.C., which that was kind of his town, and they gave him

Speaker 6 extra special treatment in Washington. And that's a James Dudley, Vince Sr.'s limo driver who got in the Hall of Fame as a manager.
He was Bobo's manager, a babyface. He just went and got

Speaker 6 and brought Bobo's belt back.

Speaker 6 Tarzan Tyler was a big heel in Florida in the 70s, but this and the late 60s, this is earlier than that. And then the Miller Brothers against Bruno and Johnny Valentine,

Speaker 6 with Bruno going for the U.S. tag team title.

Speaker 6 If this has got to be

Speaker 6 19

Speaker 6 is it 61 or 62, I'm thinking. And

Speaker 6 I don't think this is a Madison Square Garden card, but I've been fooled before. But would this be in?

Speaker 6 Would it be in Washington?

Speaker 6 In 1962,

Speaker 5 Jim, the date? Wednesday, January 19th, 1966.

Speaker 6 Oh, shit.

Speaker 5 Baltimore, Maryland.

Speaker 6 Baltimore. All right, 40 miles from Washington.

Speaker 6 You know what? I fucked up then

Speaker 6 because I was trying to make this before Bruno won the belt because I couldn't see.

Speaker 5 He was world champion here in this match.

Speaker 6 Yeah, why would he be going for the U.S. tag team title? But it was a grudge match, I bet, a personal issue with the Miller Brothers and him and Valentine.

Speaker 5 All right, Jim, this next program here.

Speaker 5 In the curtain raiser,

Speaker 5 Oki Shikina vs. Don Kindred.

Speaker 5 A special event: Ray Gunkel vs. Sonny Curgis.

Speaker 5 The semifinal:

Speaker 5 Pat Fraley vs. George Penschiff.

Speaker 6 Good lord.

Speaker 5 And the main event: a championship match.

Speaker 5 The champion, Jack Claiborne versus Bobby Manigoff.

Speaker 6 Okay, is that,

Speaker 6 geez, so Pete?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 Oki Shakina in the opening match and Ray Gunkel being on the card. At first, I thought we were in Georgia.

Speaker 6 I don't know that we're still not, but it's not as easy as I thought it was going to be. Okie Shikina, they told me this story when I first went to Georgia.
That's why I never liked Columbus, Georgia.

Speaker 6 He's working as a heel one night, and he's an oriental heel in the,

Speaker 6 I guess, by the time I heard this story, it had to be maybe the late 60s.

Speaker 6 He's coming back from the fucking ring, and some guy took a knife and stabbed it in his side and walked halfway around him

Speaker 6 and fucking took off.

Speaker 6 And down he goes, obviously. And the cops are just like, well, yeah, he's fucked.

Speaker 6 And his wife happened to be there. And

Speaker 6 she begged people

Speaker 6 to

Speaker 6 call an ambulance or get him to the hospital or whatever the fuck, because they were just like, oh, yeah, he's fucked. And he lived

Speaker 6 in the old Columbus Municipal Auditorium down there. Anyway,

Speaker 6 so,

Speaker 6 and Ray Gunkel was not only one of the top babyfaces in Georgia, but also

Speaker 6 the booker and part owner in the office and led to the whole Georgia War in 73, 72.

Speaker 6 Pat Fraley was a journeyman who could have been wrestling any fucking where.

Speaker 6 I've never heard of Gunkel's opponent or Fraley's opponent.

Speaker 6 And Jack Claiborne.

Speaker 6 If it's, he was the one of the top black stars around the time of

Speaker 6 also the Black Panther Jim Mitchell and

Speaker 6 a few others. And Bobby Manigoff was an old-timer that had been wrestling since at least the 30s.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 a gunkle started in the early 50s.

Speaker 6 Good Lord, I have

Speaker 6 we're in Atlanta in 1953.

Speaker 5 We are in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Speaker 6 There you go.

Speaker 5 At the Civic Auditorium, Sunday, October 9th, 1949.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that day.

Speaker 5 By the way, the championship is the Hawaii Junior Heavyweight Crown.

Speaker 5 And the belt is one of those belts that has the ring logo. And then it says Junior Heavyweight Champion.
Territory of Hawaii.

Speaker 5 And it has Nat Fleischer's name on it.

Speaker 5 So that was the belt here for Jack.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that one was pretty obscure there, pal.

Speaker 5 All right, well, I gotta mix it up. I can't make them all really easy for you.
Here, I'll do this one next.

Speaker 5 Where is the actual card here? Here are the t-shirts for sale. Here are the ratings.

Speaker 5 Here's the card.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 What's the town? Here's the card. What's the town?

Speaker 5 They have to come back to this when it doesn't say what town it's in. What? What?

Speaker 6 You don't know the answer that you're trying to get me to tell you.

Speaker 5 Well, I think I do, but it actually doesn't say it here. I need to double-check this one.
Let me come back to this one momentarily.

Speaker 5 Jim, let's go to this one here.

Speaker 5 Here we go. This is a fun one.

Speaker 5 The opening contest: Pedro Godoy

Speaker 5 versus Tommy Siegler.

Speaker 5 Red Lions versus Frank the Alaskan Monty.

Speaker 5 Dory Dixon

Speaker 5 vs. Mike the Alaskan York.

Speaker 5 Double main event.

Speaker 5 First,

Speaker 5 the champion, I won't name the championship, Crusher Stasiak

Speaker 5 vs. Bear Cat Wright.

Speaker 5 And the second main event, Boris Malenko vs. Red Bastine.

Speaker 5 If Red loses, his mustache will be shaved off in the ring following the match. But if Boris loses, then his manager, Bronco Lubich, will have his mustache shaved.

Speaker 5 Mustache versus mustache.

Speaker 6 Well, I already knew we were in Texas, but you just stooged it.

Speaker 6 This is

Speaker 6 the world-class, or actually big-time wrestling, Fritz's

Speaker 6 company. It's

Speaker 6 either Dallas or Fort Worth. We'll narrow that down in a second.

Speaker 6 Pedro Godoy, just, you know, he had a name on the card at that point. I think at one point he was one of the massed Russians.

Speaker 6 Tommy Siegler was a good-looking guy that didn't have a long career in wrestling, but he was one of the guys that Barry Rose

Speaker 6 had in the fan club called the Thrill Seekers, him and Rocky Johnson.

Speaker 6 God damn it, who was the other one, Brian? Help me.

Speaker 5 Oh, Rocky Johnson.

Speaker 6 Rocky Johnson, Tommy Siegler, and

Speaker 6 the fan club was the Thrill Seekers. And that's what I stole to name Storm and Jericho.

Speaker 6 Frank Monty and Mike York were the Alaskans.

Speaker 6 Mike and Jay York were also the Alaskans. And Jay York worked as an Alaskan by himself.
But in the,

Speaker 6 let's say, 1973 to 1975 time period, it was Monty and York, and they were in Tennessee for a run.

Speaker 6 And this is where the time period we're at now: Billy Red Lions, Dory Dixon,

Speaker 6 Stan Stasiak, and Bearcat Wright. Bearcat Wright

Speaker 6 showed up in Tennessee in 1975 managing the Mongolian stomper. I think

Speaker 6 he had heart issues or something as to why he quit wrestling.

Speaker 6 And Red Bastine, of course, tremendous babyface, Boris Malenko.

Speaker 6 I'm going to say this is

Speaker 6 the Sportatorium in Dallas, Texas, 1973.

Speaker 5 The date?

Speaker 5 Friday, August 11th,

Speaker 5 1972.

Speaker 5 Houston, Texas.

Speaker 6 Houston?

Speaker 5 I thought that's what you were saying. I stooged myself off when I said there was such a...
extravagant gimmick for the Malenko and Red Bastine match.

Speaker 6 But I was just because of Bronco,

Speaker 6 Because of Bronco Lubich. I knew that, you know, then we were in Texas, but I thought Dallas and the Dallas office rather than Houston.
Son of a guy.

Speaker 5 There's at least two different things here. Again, in Kayfe, but considering what would end up happening, it's funny.

Speaker 5 One here about NWA lectures Funk Sr. for obstructing title bouts.
Another one, Funk family in an uproar. When the National Wrestling Alliance criticized the tactics of Dory Funk Sr.

Speaker 5 and the Funk Funk family in trying to avoid contracts, it caused an uproar amongst the funks. They wanted to fight everyone present without the title at stake.

Speaker 5 The smoke has not cleared, and the turbulence has not subsided, so no tangible results are available to announce. But promoter Paul Bosch is striking while the funks are hot.

Speaker 6 Famously, getting awful funky in here.

Speaker 5 Famously, I guess a year later, right? 73.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Paul Bosch thought he had the NWA title change where Jack Briscoe would defeat Dory Funk Jr.

Speaker 5 to win the championship.

Speaker 5 And depending on whose side you believe, either

Speaker 5 Dory Funk Jr. had an accident on the farm with a tractor or the funk.

Speaker 6 No, he was driving his truck. He was driving a pickup truck and supposedly went over the side of a gully wash and turned over in it.

Speaker 5 On the other side, some people think that the funks just decided we're not dropping the belt to Jack Briscoe. It's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 And that's when Harley Race got his first title run.

Speaker 6 Because Harley was the middleman.

Speaker 6 See, the Funk Sr.

Speaker 6 apparently did not want Dory to lose to another babyface, which is what Briscoe was everywhere except if he came to Texas.

Speaker 6 But at the same time,

Speaker 6 he knew that sooner or later, Dory was going to have to give it up. And also, Harley was acceptable

Speaker 6 to all parties because the NWA knew that he would have a good match with Dory and he could probably take it if for some reason things went south in the ring.

Speaker 6 He had the standing for the fans in their eyes to be a world champion. And they also knew that he'd turn around and put Jack Briscoe over

Speaker 6 two months later or whatever the fuck it was. In Houston.
In Houston, where, and again, they had promised Bosch title change.

Speaker 6 And this is

Speaker 6 Paul, the 70s and Paul Bosch and the NWA were.

Speaker 6 always having problems with each other because they either the champion wouldn't show up or his title change he was promised would get postponed or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 6 But anyway, that it worked out. But yeah, there were pictures of Dory

Speaker 6 in a hospital bed with a sling in his arm and everything. But at the same time,

Speaker 6 that was easily done in those days sometimes. So

Speaker 6 nobody's ever really

Speaker 6 come to grips on 100% what the story was.

Speaker 5 If you ever see that famous photo of Jack Briscoe when he won the belt, Harley Race is kind of on his knees, like looking incredulous. He can't believe what just happened.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and Briscoe looks like he just had a really tough match. Paul Bosch looks like he's having the time of his life.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 5 he's having a party in the middle of this because he got the title change. Go see that photo.
I mean, it's so funny. All right, Jim, let me hit you with this one.

Speaker 6 One more. I gotta get this one.

Speaker 5 If you don't, yeah, one more.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's see how you do with this. The opening bout.

Speaker 6 Sound like you're all confident.

Speaker 5 Keith Franks

Speaker 5 versus Yasu Fuji.

Speaker 5 The second bout,

Speaker 5 Ivan Krankovich

Speaker 5 from Croatia vs. Jack Ruffin.

Speaker 5 The third contest, Susan Green

Speaker 5 vs. Paula Kaye.

Speaker 5 We have a six-man tag team elimination bout.

Speaker 5 Mike Kelly, Pat Kelly, and Jimmy Snooka

Speaker 5 versus Siegfried Stenke,

Speaker 5 Professor Lewis,

Speaker 5 and Sky High.

Speaker 6 Dale Lewis, right?

Speaker 5 I believe so, because it says 260 Atlantis. I think that's who it is.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Professor Dale Lewis.

Speaker 5 And Sky High Morse.

Speaker 5 Also, Jim, Dennis Stamp

Speaker 5 versus Gene Kiniske.

Speaker 5 Good lord. And finally, the main event for the World's Heavyweight Championship:

Speaker 5 Jack Briscoe versus Don Leo Jonathan.

Speaker 6 Oh, boy. Okay.
Keith Franks would later become Adrian Adonis.

Speaker 6 So this puts it, as does Briscoe being the champion,

Speaker 6 between 1973 and 1975.

Speaker 6 Jackie Ruffin

Speaker 6 was the son of Les Ruffin, who was a longtime promoter and wrestling personality in Cincinnati and that part of Ohio.

Speaker 6 Sue Green and Paula Kaye were two of Mula's top girls at this time.

Speaker 6 The Kelly Twins and Snooka against Siegfried Stonkey, Gene Lewis, and Sky High Morse. I have no idea.
Is there a picture of Sky High Morse? Do you know who it is?

Speaker 5 I don't know who it is, and there doesn't appear to be a a picture in this program.

Speaker 6 In that case, I'm thinking that was

Speaker 6 something the Booker tried with somebody that didn't fucking work.

Speaker 6 Because I have no idea who that would have been. Dennis Stamp obviously is noted for being from Amarillo and a close friend of the Funk family, and the guy that never got booked and beyond the mat.

Speaker 6 But he used to get booked when he was working. And because he's working Gene Kiniski

Speaker 6 and in the main event, Don Leo Jonathan challenging Briscoe for the world title. That means we are either in

Speaker 6 the Pacific Northwest or Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 because it's Snooka,

Speaker 6 and I am

Speaker 6 remembering, like I'm on Iron Chef, if memory serves me,

Speaker 6 one of Snooka's first pushes in a territory was the Portland territory for Don Owens.

Speaker 6 But at the same time, if this was a major event

Speaker 6 in Vancouver, which Kiniske had part of the office then,

Speaker 6 and he obviously had pulled with the NWA, they would have used

Speaker 6 Oregon talent. Or is this the Seattle when they were running Seattle?

Speaker 6 About that time, and who was the goddamn promoter in Seattle?

Speaker 6 Help me, his name.

Speaker 5 Well, Dean Silverstone wasn't promoting Dean Silverstone.

Speaker 6 Was he promoting yet?

Speaker 5 He was kind of opposition to the NWA.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 5 The NWA's choice, I believe. I think Don Owen came after him pretty hard.

Speaker 6 So, goddamn it.

Speaker 6 Is it a big show in Seattle? It looks like it's

Speaker 6 it would only be the Portland Sports Arena, and maybe it's big for that, or is it Van? It's kinisky's on a card it's it we're in vancouver in 1974

Speaker 5 jim it's a thanksgiving day spectacular

Speaker 5 monday october 13th 1974. wait a minute what

Speaker 6 canadian thanksgiving oh canadian thanksgiving vancouver british columbia all right i got one one year off and i got the town

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 6 Thanksgiving Day, October, whatever.

Speaker 5 You're not talking about trying to bullshit me.

Speaker 6 I forgot they have one too.

Speaker 5 They have one, and with that, that is guest the program here this week. We'll have more guests the program very soon because we have a whole lot of more, whole lot of more.

Speaker 5 We got a whole lot of more programs over here just waiting to be exposed

Speaker 6 all over my body.

Speaker 5 Okay, I can't find my usual one, but with that, the drive-thru is closed.

Speaker 6 How about just a slide whistle?

Speaker 5 Uh, where is my slide whistle?

Speaker 5 Oh, here it is.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 6 Good Lord.

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