Episode 417

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Speaker 1 Hello again, friends.

Speaker 1 I can't tell if those are chuckles of approval or not, but you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru right here on a windy fall day somewhere, like here.

Speaker 1 But I'm your host, the great Brian Last. We got questions, we got reviews, we got programs and so much more

Speaker 1 with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornet, Mr. Jim Cornet.

Speaker 3 Brian Last, not even your organ playing,

Speaker 3 you play the organ like a crippled crab in a cast,

Speaker 3 but not even your organ playing, ham-fisted though it may be,

Speaker 3 can dissuade me from being in a good mood today.

Speaker 3 I'm feeling pretty good today.

Speaker 3 I'm in a halfway decent mood.

Speaker 3 I'm looking ahead to the future with a more positive outlook, not because of the wrestling now,

Speaker 3 but just because of the cult of Cornette, the people, the listeners out there,

Speaker 3 and their wonderful support of my brand new book, Heroes and Friends. Now, I'm not even doing this as a commercial plug.

Speaker 1 The earliest plug in show history, folks.

Speaker 3 Welcome to the show. It is available at jimcornet.com.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 I'm not even doing this as a commercial plug, but it has gratified the cockles of my old crusty heart.

Speaker 3 Does your heart have any cockles, Brian?

Speaker 1 In my crusty heart, yes.

Speaker 3 Well, then every once in a while they need to be warmed, and it's warmed the cockles of my crusty heart. The outpouring of support for said publication,

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 over the weekend, I was a little overwhelmed. It's a daunting task.
I have signed personally well over a thousand books already, and

Speaker 3 I get a couple thousand more to go, and the orders are coming in, and we've already arranged to have more printed. And

Speaker 3 I didn't know that everybody, I was afraid

Speaker 3 that, you know, you hear people don't read anymore.

Speaker 3 But our audience, as we've proven, we had a,

Speaker 3 what was he, a nuclear astrophysicist the other day getting a PhD in his

Speaker 3 YOU? I don't know. Dr.

Speaker 1 David, I believe is his name.

Speaker 3 Yes. And not even Schultz.

Speaker 3 But we got a smart audience. They like to read.
But more importantly, now that people have seen the book and the feedback has started, they've said.

Speaker 3 You know, they didn't really know who a few of these guys were, but they loved the stories of their lives or my interaction with them because it's

Speaker 3 it's wrestling. And I'm glad that there's a

Speaker 3 classic wrestling audience out there. But so, however,

Speaker 3 me and the feather bottoms are cooking and we've got, we got a, there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 3 Well over the first thousand orders have already gone out and we've got an assembly line process.

Speaker 3 But this is, even though I'm not going to have

Speaker 3 a lot of free time between now and Christmas, you know, everybody loved the action figures.

Speaker 3 For

Speaker 3 years now, we have, you know, sold Ubuku of the action figures, but that wasn't an opportunity for me to really be creative and

Speaker 3 create something.

Speaker 3 It was just me. You know what I'm saying? For me, other people like to have figures of me,

Speaker 3 but I didn't actually make the figure of me, so I wasn't creating it. You see the difference here?

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I'm glad you concur with me.

Speaker 1 I concur with it.

Speaker 3 Anyway,

Speaker 3 this is what I was hoping for: is that there's an audience out there who likes not only classic pro wrestling, but the history and the individual stories and the photography, which I'm going to be doing more of.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 I don't know, Brian, if you will concur with this. I don't want you to just

Speaker 3 kowtow to me, but would you say from having a large wrestling collection yourself of magazines and programs from all eras that if I wasn't the best United States-based wrestling photographer of the late 70s, early 80s, I was certainly in the top five.

Speaker 3 One would have to admit.

Speaker 1 I mean, top three would be if you were sitting there and trying to debate who would be better, but I would say you're definitely top three.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 One thing people can never say is that I've half-assed anything.

Speaker 3 Maybe that time I was doing commentary in the high school gym on the guy's cell phone fucking with a goddamn

Speaker 3 mic clip to my

Speaker 3 chest or whatever.

Speaker 3 But I normally gave, you know, my all for anything.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 now I'm excited that the printing process in the United States has finally caught up with my photography after 40 years.

Speaker 3 You know, as well as I do, and some of the kids out there may not, in the 70s and 80s,

Speaker 3 the best quality television production of wrestling and the best quality wrestling magazines were all in Japan.

Speaker 3 And those Japanese photographers, oh my God, I was jealous.

Speaker 3 But not only the equipment they had, but also

Speaker 3 the production of their television over there and the way the arenas were lit. And

Speaker 3 it was the difference between what WWE is now and,

Speaker 3 geez, would it even be TNA?

Speaker 3 Or maybe, well, now that TNA is upgrading, it was a big difference.

Speaker 3 And in the printing quality and reproduction, et cetera, over here of the photos and the television production compared to those days. And then

Speaker 3 Vince started flip-flopping everything.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 I'm hoping to do more with my photography, is the point I was going to make there. And that's got me excited about being creative again, Brian.

Speaker 1 Well, it's about time.

Speaker 1 I always wonder what Vince picked up where.

Speaker 1 You know, in terms of merchandise,

Speaker 1 you know, how much was what he saw running Cape Cod from

Speaker 1 rock bands?

Speaker 1 And if anything, what did he think when he first saw, when he first went to a New Japan show in the early 80s?

Speaker 1 Oh, at least 84.

Speaker 1 Like, what did he think when he saw that kind of setup? When he saw those magazines that were everywhere on the newsstand, like, what did he think?

Speaker 3 Well, you know, that he probably

Speaker 3 was like this is what i want to do only he wanted to make it even bigger

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 the reason for that

Speaker 3 the in the the japanese market in the 70s and 80s was because at the time baba and anoki they were network television

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 Goddamn, most of the video equipment came from Japan to begin with. So they had a head start in a variety of departments, and they had money to spend where the territories here,

Speaker 3 it was, it was, Japan, actually, when you think about it, was more of a modern-based model then

Speaker 3 than

Speaker 3 the United States was because

Speaker 3 they were getting network television money in the production and et cetera.

Speaker 3 And obviously they still had their live gates and the merchandise and all that stuff, but it was a nationwide thing involving only two promotions with comparable talents. So it was a

Speaker 3 bit of a dogfight.

Speaker 3 But over here, the territories were still using the TV to draw the live gates. And

Speaker 3 very few people were putting any appreciable money into the television production.

Speaker 1 But heroes and friends, of course. Yes.

Speaker 1 Celebrates that great time in wrestling's past.

Speaker 1 One more time, Jim. Where can they get it?

Speaker 3 Well, JimCornet.com is where you can get it. And as I said, the feather bottoms are kicking ass.

Speaker 3 And also, because it's computerized, if you're just some poor soul that wandered in and wanted a t-shirt, you don't have to wait six weeks.

Speaker 3 Hotchkiss has that all separated out. If something like a t-shirt or one of Scott Teal's Madison Square Garden books that doesn't need my personal autograph, he's taken care of those.
And we have also

Speaker 3 separated out all of the orders involving the various action figures. And boom, we've got that processed and ready to have labels put on it.
So we're cooking. I think if you order now,

Speaker 3 there's every possibility you might get this right after Thanksgiving instead of by Christmas. But act quickly.

Speaker 1 You know, before we get going, I had a thought recently and what you just talked about reminded me a little bit of it.

Speaker 1 But Baba and Anoki were on network TV, but also they had been big stars for a long time. They were both the proteges of Ricky Dozan.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 Imagine if there was Twitter in 1963.

Speaker 1 Just imagine what it would be like December 63. I saw someone point that, I never realized, I guess I never thought about how close together they died.
Ricky Dozen. Destroyer.

Speaker 1 Not Destroyer, my God, but he died very far away from this people. He died very far away, but

Speaker 1 Ricky Ricky Dozan.

Speaker 3 But when you said Ricky Dozen, I was at Gorgeous George.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ricky Dozen, December 15th, 1963. Gorgeous George, December 26th.

Speaker 3 So within the day,

Speaker 3 and the reason why I blurted Destroyer out is because obviously Destroyer had famous matches with both those fucking guys, and I'm a senior.

Speaker 1 But isn't that crazy just that they died so close together? I never really thought of it that way before. I knew they both died.
I kind of knew when they died.

Speaker 1 I never thought like, oh, it was within two weeks at the end end of the year, right after Kennedy was killed.

Speaker 3 When you said, if there had been Twitter,

Speaker 3 I, and I, and then after you had referred to Bob and Anoki as being such big stars and etc., I thought you were going to say if there'd been Twitter, everybody would have known what the fuck Ricky Dozan was up to and what all was going on in the entire business.

Speaker 3 And Bob and Anoki would have been working at the fucking Japanese McDonald's.

Speaker 1 Nope, that wasn't what I meant.

Speaker 3 Think about it.

Speaker 3 If there had been Twitter, they'd have known he was Korean.

Speaker 3 You know, they'd have run him out of the country. And then

Speaker 3 the whole

Speaker 3 Yakuza Pinky Finger fucking set that would have been 30 years earlier and the whole thing would have been shocked.

Speaker 3 If it'd have been Twitter, we wouldn't have had anything for the last 40 years or 60 years that would have been any fucking good.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Jim, on the topic of wrestling.
See, I'm in a good mood, too. You're in a great mood.
This has been a fantastic show so far, and we only have Saturday night's main event to come.

Speaker 3 Oh, for come on now. You're malignant.
I'm in a good mood, and you're maligning the show already. It's not my fault.
You missed your notes on the organ.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I didn't miss any notes on the organ.
Who told you that? Forget it. Let's go now, Jim, to another topic.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 you didn't miss most of them. You ran them down several times.

Speaker 1 Jim, as you hear the wind behind me,

Speaker 1 what has become a popular topic to be sent into CorneyDriveTru at gmail.com and posted on the YouTube page or YouTube page, the Facebook page?

Speaker 1 There's a clip. It's only four seconds.
Let me play you this. And we may have to play it a couple times to get the full grasp of it.
This is Dave Meltzer

Speaker 1 on Wrestling Observer Radio, this clip, talking to his co-host, Garrett Gonzalez.

Speaker 1 Long run, you end up back where you were just just with a lower price.

Speaker 1 So, anyway,

Speaker 1 I'm going to play that again. Again, Dave's doing the talking.
His phone goes off and he has it set to announce who's calling.

Speaker 1 Long run you end to fact where you were, just with a lower price. So, anyway.

Speaker 1 So, of course, it says Tony Khan.

Speaker 1 Now, maybe this is a diversion. Maybe it's not Tony Khan.
Maybe it's Chris Jericho. No, but it's Tony Khan.

Speaker 1 What are you thinking?

Speaker 3 Can I just hold on just a sec? For one thing,

Speaker 3 we've established that Dave Meltzer is, I believe, either a year or a year and a half older than me, and I'm now 64.

Speaker 3 And he's got a phone that not only plays that fucking tune, but it says the name of whoever's calling.

Speaker 3 What the fuck is it? He's got to be one of the kids, doesn't he?

Speaker 3 Here's another thing.

Speaker 3 You ask anybody, any man in the wrestling business,

Speaker 3 back in the 70s and 80s, if they wanted a phone that when it rang, it would announce the name of the person it was calling.

Speaker 3 And that guy might be in the fucking grocery store with his wife pushing a cart, the cart that he may be using when he's homeless after it says, you're whore from Richmond.

Speaker 3 So what in the world? He's a senior citizen. Just have a phone that fucking rings, you dip shit.
And here's another thing.

Speaker 3 And here's another.

Speaker 3 The tune of why would you want if you were, he's on the air. I know, I stick my phone, usually when I think about it, over on the other side of the office, where occasionally people hear my phone ring

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 I honestly don't remember how to turn the fucking bell up and down. So I just stick it over there on the other side of the couch.
But point being,

Speaker 3 it just rings. It does,

Speaker 3 whatever that calliope told me with the kids going around on the merry-go-round, and one kid falls off and breaks his leg, and then they call Stephen P. New at 87750 Steve.
But I digress,

Speaker 3 so Dave is sitting there, he's on the air,

Speaker 3 and this thing goes off. And I guess they're doing this live because he said they couldn't.

Speaker 3 they couldn't take it back.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 again, does he walk around when he's in the post office standing in line? Does that annoying music and

Speaker 3 Brian Alvarez name pop up or whatever?

Speaker 3 Does he have to announce to the world who he is in contact with?

Speaker 1 And what does that make you think of your source?

Speaker 1 He'll be at one of these pay-per-view parties and the phone goes off.

Speaker 3 And I was about to say, yeah,

Speaker 3 he's one of these fucking get-togethers or media scrums. And there's, well, Tony Kahn's in the room and there's one of his goddamn wrestlers calling Dave to fucking complain about him.

Speaker 3 Who knows what?

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ, if Woodward and Bernstein had done that,

Speaker 3 we'd have known who Deep Throat was

Speaker 3 before Linda Lovelace even broke into movies.

Speaker 1 In the long run, you end up back where you were just with a lower price.

Speaker 1 So anyway.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, the other thing is, beyond the hilarity of the fact that Tony Khan is calling him in the middle of a show,

Speaker 1 it's the fact that Tony Khan is calling him. We talked about this recently.
Tony Khan relies on Dave. He has from day one.
The first hire they made was recommended by Dave.

Speaker 1 Dave may not be an official consultant of AEW, but he's absolutely a consultant of Tony Khan's. I'm not saying there's even money exchange, but Tony uses Dave as his sounding board.

Speaker 1 And Dave

Speaker 1 really loves that position, to be quite honest.

Speaker 3 Well, I don't know what kind of positions Dave loves. I'm not going to delve into his personal life.
I'm just asking you: have we put the donkey before the fucking horse there?

Speaker 3 I'm wondering, and we've been saying Tony's a rotten booker.

Speaker 3 Tony, he just, he's not.

Speaker 3 Should we be blaming Dave?

Speaker 3 Is Tony just getting instructions from Dave? And this is Dave, because Dave certainly loves this wrestling. He defends it as if it was his own offspring against all logic and reason,

Speaker 3 against many of his former friends of a previous generation who think he's lost his mind. He will die on that.
This is a hill.

Speaker 3 If ever that term has come to fruition

Speaker 3 any better, this is a hill he will die on.

Speaker 3 So can you like

Speaker 3 the shit that anybody else does this much?

Speaker 3 Or does it have to be yours?

Speaker 3 And if that's the case,

Speaker 3 then have we wrongfully maligned

Speaker 3 poor old Tony Khan

Speaker 3 when he just taking instructions from Uncle Dave?

Speaker 1 Well, Well, you said, should we blame him? I've said in the past that he has fed into some of Tony's worst instincts. And I think you have two guys,

Speaker 1 even if you think everything's kosher, you know, you have two guys who are both in the same wrestling bubble. Because that's what it is.
It's a bubble of thought that

Speaker 1 seems to be incapable of acknowledging, understanding,

Speaker 1 admitting anything else could be right.

Speaker 1 You know, Tony, I believe, just said the last pay-per-view was one of his favorites. And I also think I've heard him say that about every single fucking pay-per-view there's been.

Speaker 1 And Dave has defended everything against Alvarez, against his own partner, against reason.

Speaker 1 Gives star ratings for what in 2025 is a middle-of-the-road average match. Could be four stars, maybe higher if he likes the people in it and it's a match that he doesn't like.

Speaker 1 If you're someone he likes and you have a match that he finds disgusting, five stars. That's what it seems.
That's what, how many times did we joke about it? I don't like this kind of match.

Speaker 1 For those who like this kind of thing, five stars. But Dave has always been Tony's unofficial consultant.

Speaker 1 And whether it's the deal with CM Punk

Speaker 1 or anything else, Tony sought Dave's advice on these things. And I think if there was ever a true story of AEW written, the relationship

Speaker 1 for an old term we'll use now, the correspondence between Dave and Tony would be a good part of the story. And this just bears it out because we've been saying it.

Speaker 1 This is, he's literally getting called in the middle of the thing by, it didn't say Nick Khan. It didn't say any other name.
It was the one name you would suspect would call him.

Speaker 1 You know, Dana Wallace. It wasn't any of that.
It was Tony.

Speaker 3 How often must it happen if it just in this random instance?

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 here's the thing. I'm wondering, can we, can somebody figure out some way to sue both of them so we can get, we can subpoena the correspondence between the two of them? Because

Speaker 1 I would. 7750 Steve.

Speaker 3 Well, and if he could get that information, I would donate it. for study to the American Psychiatric Association, free of charge.

Speaker 1 The other thing is, it's,

Speaker 1 you know, again, I'm just amazed by this whole thing.

Speaker 1 Dave's sitting on his couch. The phone is not on silent.
The phone is right next to him. I guess, in case a big tip comes in in the middle of this show.

Speaker 3 I'm just trying to imagine,

Speaker 3 and I know, and if I say this in the wrong way, then Uncle Dave will jump all over it. Yes, Vince McMahon and Dave Meltzer

Speaker 3 had numerous phone interactions back in the day,

Speaker 3 ranging back to the 80s. I'm not saying they didn't speak on a phone.
Let me make that perfectly clear, numerous of times.

Speaker 3 But one, I can't imagine fucking

Speaker 3 Dave having it. Was that a special ring for Tony? Does he have to program it in? Whatever.
His number's in the phone there or whatever. But I can't imagine Vince and Dave

Speaker 3 having the

Speaker 3 conversations that you can see Tony and Dave having. Oh, it was a great night.
Oh, yeah, when he did that shooting star press. Oh, yeah, but whoa, the KG came out and a boom and whatever the fuck

Speaker 3 that they're talking about.

Speaker 3 It was a goddamn

Speaker 3 game for Vince to not only take the temperature of what was going on in the world and see what Dave was going to be saying

Speaker 3 uh, and see which

Speaker 3 potential problem might be coming up. But it was Dave trying to get a scoop of some kind or a statement from a, but there was no,

Speaker 3 I can't even say collegial relationship, there was no banter

Speaker 3 again.

Speaker 3 What's the proper way to say this, Brian? The difference in the conversation that you know is taking place.

Speaker 1 Tony and Dave are two friends and wrestling fans who think and behave similarly. Vince McMahon

Speaker 1 is a cutthroat seeking information,

Speaker 1 seeking at times to twist things into his narrative, and it certainly didn't always work. Yes.
But I think it's part of a struggle.

Speaker 1 There are people who talk to the press because they want their story out there. And there's people who talk to the press to find out what the press knows.

Speaker 3 And there are people who talk to the press when the press likes them

Speaker 3 to get together on how great they are.

Speaker 1 Again, it's Tony. If it was anyone else,

Speaker 1 well, I shouldn't say if it was Jericho, people are like, Yeah, I knew it. But, you know, if it was most other people, you'd be surprised, but it was Tony.
And it's not like that's not the rib.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, I know that's the rib.

Speaker 3 You know, we don't expect that nobody in the wrestling business or no big name in combat sports ever calls Dave Meltzer, but it's just, it's ludicrous that it's the one guy,

Speaker 3 the one guy that is just, that makes it funny. They're almost Siamese twins now.

Speaker 1 In the long run, you end up back where you were, just with a lower price.

Speaker 1 So, anyway.

Speaker 3 And by the way, he quickly went to his pocket or next to him on the couch or whatever it was and boom and hit whatever button you hit on these things.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's a walking Stooge report, isn't he?

Speaker 3 He's just walking down the street and people's names are being shouted out. Yes, him too.
Him too.

Speaker 1 You're whore from Richmond.

Speaker 3 I'm glad he wasn't around during the McCarthy era. There's another 15, 20 years of good entertainment we'd have lost.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is the other move. You know, like if you were having an affair and like had a mistress, you know, you you put Tony Khan.
So like when it comes up, because then people believe it.

Speaker 1 Oh, of course, Tony's calling Dave. That makes perfect sense.

Speaker 3 Tony's got to spend a ton of time on a phone.

Speaker 3 How long do you think Riggie Morton used to have a line he'd pop the locker room with?

Speaker 3 You know, in like 1989, he'd say he'd

Speaker 3 forget about something or just something would come up. He'd say, well, hell, I hadn't slept since 83.

Speaker 3 Do you think Tony Khan has slept since 2019?

Speaker 1 Again, look at a picture of him at the start of AEW. Look at him now.
It looks like a man who has gone through a lot and slept very little. And that's not even talking about his football duties.

Speaker 1 And of course, the one thing you always hear about whenever anyone criticizes him is sports analytics.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 His well-known sports analytics company that he's so

Speaker 1 clearly not busy with at all.

Speaker 3 I think you should take ideas off of that.

Speaker 1 I guess we could do that.

Speaker 3 Just take the itics off of that.

Speaker 1 That's the latest update in the Dave Meltzer relationship saga.

Speaker 1 Jim,

Speaker 1 as we uh move forward here with uh this show,

Speaker 3 always moving forward, never, never falling back.

Speaker 1 You know, Tony gets advice from Dave about

Speaker 1 the booking and wrestlers and what to do, what could be done differently.

Speaker 1 Dave's thoughts on how to apply history to this stuff for a lot of guys that hate history and don't want to hear about how anything was in the past.

Speaker 1 But what he doesn't do is say, Dave,

Speaker 1 how can I sell?

Speaker 1 What Tony doesn't do is say, Dave, can you help me make my business more efficient online? I think we could say for sure Tony doesn't say, Dave, help me with my e-commerce.

Speaker 1 But you know what? We know someone that Tony could run to, and so could anyone else out there, whether you're a billionaire or not. And that is our good friends at Shopify.

Speaker 3 Because at Shopify, we run to you. Oh, yeah, we run to you.

Speaker 3 And I'll tell you what, you can run to them too.

Speaker 3 And then they will run you right up the flagpole and people are going to start saluting you because they're going to make your business bigger, better, better, bolder.

Speaker 3 And more profitable than ever before. They're going to bully people into spending money with you.
They're going to put you out there.

Speaker 1 That's not how it works.

Speaker 3 They're going to, they're going to, they're going to make people sick of hearing about you. Your name and your business is going to be in front of people 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Speaker 3 I'm talking social media campaigns and email campaigns. You're not going to be able to get away from anybody.

Speaker 3 As a matter of fact, there's going to be people peeping in your windows to get a look at you. They're going to cause so much attention to what you're doing and who you are.
And then

Speaker 3 they're going to have all those people start sending you money. And all you got to do is fulfill some little deal like, I don't know, send them something back.
That's all you got to do.

Speaker 1 Well, again.

Speaker 3 And then you're going to hear the cha-ching. You will hear the cash register.
Again, because ching, ching, ching goes the trolley. Ding, ding, ding goes the bell.

Speaker 3 And zing goes my heartstrings when Shopify tells everybody to go to hell unless they sell money.

Speaker 1 That's not what they're going to tell anyone to do. Again, ladies and gentlemen, Shopify, a trusted resource.
We use them for our online business.

Speaker 1 Get shirts for this show, the drive-thru, ArcadianVanguard.com. You know who powers that? Shopify.
We trust them. You can too.

Speaker 1 We're very good friends in a professional way.

Speaker 3 I've been meaning to ask you about that. My cut of the shirts last month wasn't what I think it was supposed to be.
I'm thinking somebody may have been dipping in, but certainly not Shopify.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't be Shopify. It would be me, but it wouldn't be me.
I wouldn't do that. So, what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 Well, we're talking about

Speaker 3 Shopify making your brand relevant because they're the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States.

Speaker 3 So, who are you, Antonio Inoki, to tell me that Shopify can't make you money? God damn it. What if you can't design a website? Well,

Speaker 3 they got you from the get-go.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 would he shut up, please? Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you, he's always interrupting, especially when he gets aroused. If you can't design a website,

Speaker 3 Shopify's got you from the get-go. They got you by the pubic hairs then.

Speaker 3 And they're going to design the website for you.

Speaker 1 Don't take advantage of my website.

Speaker 3 I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 You just need need to

Speaker 3 supply some photos of yourself. No, you don't.
No, various positions.

Speaker 3 No, they do not. They will dictate to you and they'll make you a website and then it'll sell your various products across the lands far and wide and the oceans and the valleys and the

Speaker 3 oceans white with seed.

Speaker 1 Again, your great products, whatever you may be doing, whatever you may be selling that is of decency. Of course, Shopify is there to deal with you.
No pictures requested.

Speaker 1 And of course, they don't accept unsolicited photos. So let's just think about business.

Speaker 3 Well, now, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 When I talked to the one guy, he asked for some pictures, but we were on the phone for a while. And what if you get stuck, ladies and gentlemen? Well, in that case, you can call Stephen P.

Speaker 3 No, Shopify is always.

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Speaker 1 All right, here we are.

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ, Ed woke me up. That was a quick trip.

Speaker 1 It was a quick trip. I'd like to say it was a quick Saturday night's main event, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1 It wasn't that it was longer than normal. I guess it's just that less.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't want to spoil anything. I mean, some people love everything they see, but Saturday night's main event was on.
It was a tough night up against the World Series, game seven.

Speaker 1 A classic game and a classic series.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I also didn't realize it started at seven o'clock until just before seven o'clock. I thought it was eight o'clock.
So luckily I figured it out.

Speaker 3 Well, they were out in Salt Lake City. You expect them Mormons to stay up all night? They go to bed early.

Speaker 1 On Sunday.

Speaker 3 Every, everywhere, I drive

Speaker 3 up on Sunday. And see, that's why it was Saturday because Mormons aren't allowed to get up on Sunday.

Speaker 1 I was thinking of a pay-per-view. It wasn't a pay-per-view.
It was Saturday night's main event streaming on Peacock.

Speaker 3 What was it? It wasn't a premium live event. It wasn't a network special.
It was on Peacock.

Speaker 3 One of the malingerers on Peacock before they shove the bird out the door and they

Speaker 3 go full in on with their

Speaker 3 new lover.

Speaker 3 It wasn't any longer than normal. It just seemed like it.

Speaker 3 There were four matches in a one hour and 50 minutes because I watched it afterwards.

Speaker 3 I still got commercials, but probably not as many as I would if I'd have watched it live.

Speaker 3 It's an hour and 50 minutes long.

Speaker 3 But if you just went bell to bell, it was what, 45 minutes.

Speaker 3 And maybe, you know, it takes a while

Speaker 3 in between to get things accomplished, such as long exits and lots of spots and plugs and piffle-toffle, and then big entrances and then

Speaker 3 boom shack-a-lack. But that's a

Speaker 3 did we get a Stooge report yet on the attendance? Because I said SmackDown looked a little puny.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, there are pictures of SmackDown going around. I think I mentioned it the other day.
We don't know what part of the show it's from, but opposite the camera was empty.

Speaker 1 And you are starting to hear whispers.

Speaker 3 Which never happens to them.

Speaker 1 No. Now, again, they're in there for a weekend.
They're running multiple shows, but I also think maybe there might be a slight cool down on SmackDown live tickets.

Speaker 3 Well, that's the point I was making the other day on the show that we did a day ago or whenever it was

Speaker 3 that they're in Salt Lake City. So they got a captive audience out there in the middle of nowhere.
It's people coming from Salt Lake City.

Speaker 3 You're not going to just, hey, let's drive over to Salt Lake City and go to the wrestling matches.

Speaker 3 So, and they're there for two days. And

Speaker 3 for the Saturday night's main event, they also had

Speaker 3 not a big stage, but a big wall.

Speaker 3 So, I'm wondering if

Speaker 3 we ever get a report on attendance or are there any stooges in Salt Lake City?

Speaker 1 I will see what we can find out about that while we talk about this. And of course, they were in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 3 That's what I just said.

Speaker 1 No, Jesse Ventura.

Speaker 3 And that was a plus. That was a positive because

Speaker 3 I know you on the the first Saturday Night's main event, and I'll go along with it for the first one back,

Speaker 3 and it was a bigger deal than now these lame ducks that they're, you know,

Speaker 3 doing to probably get out of their contract.

Speaker 3 If for the first show, okay, he was passable. You,

Speaker 3 with your preferences, had your rose-colored 80s glasses on about

Speaker 3 Jesse.

Speaker 3 My rose-colored glasses are tuned to the 60s and 70s, so I wasn't as impressed.

Speaker 3 But since then, what has he added?

Speaker 3 And it got

Speaker 3 the embarrassment, the time before last when

Speaker 3 he argued about the,

Speaker 3 he was right, but he was making their own show look stupid. What was the topic? What was he?

Speaker 3 He wouldn't leave it alone.

Speaker 1 Oh, imagine if he was there for the main event, or not the main event, I guess, the first match, Cody and Drew. Imagine if he was there for that finish.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 not even for the, he would have spent 10 minutes on why did the champion come out first instead of the challenger.

Speaker 3 But the point is,

Speaker 3 Jesse, as

Speaker 3 how old is he now?

Speaker 3 I'm just saying, he hasn't been

Speaker 3 anything to write home about on the last few shows. And I'm not surprised they just said, Jesse, why don't you stay home this time?

Speaker 1 Jesse Ventura is 74 years old.

Speaker 1 Governor Ventura. Excuse me.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, then

Speaker 3 make sure that Brian, remind me by the time I'm 74, not to do

Speaker 3 network TV fucking major broadcasts because I won't be able to keep up.

Speaker 3 Nevertheless, they went right into it.

Speaker 3 They've got two world titles, and they've only got four matches on the cards.

Speaker 3 Because of what they did last, apparently they thought, okay, we'll do this one first. Cody and Drew

Speaker 3 on the first match. The title can change hands via disqualification or count out of ring.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 this was the best match because

Speaker 3 there was nothing the matter with it. Nothing went wrong.
Both guys are over.

Speaker 3 It's, you know,

Speaker 3 they know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 But at the same time, if this was the best match on a show, and

Speaker 3 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the match, but

Speaker 3 they just kind of moved it up and stuck it in here because all their other plans went to shit.

Speaker 3 So, were you really ready for it?

Speaker 1 I hated this match.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Then apparently you want to shoot everybody else on the show.

Speaker 1 I was in the middle of this match is when it hit me like, oh my God, how are they going to fill up the whole show?

Speaker 1 You know, how long is it going to be if this is how long this match is going to go?

Speaker 1 I thought it went forever. I thought it almost felt like they were in slow motion at times to me.

Speaker 1 I,

Speaker 1 I don't, and then the finish, I don't want to spoil you talking about it, but

Speaker 1 the finish was like, what the fuck just happened? Did he, did he turn? Did he not turn? Should he turn now? I don't, you know, I feel bad for Drew. Is Drew now?

Speaker 3 Slowly I turn.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 Well, and I mean, I took notes

Speaker 3 on this match. And

Speaker 3 again, like I said, technically,

Speaker 3 all their shit looks good. And they put a smart match together where they worked the stipulations early.
Drew was trying to

Speaker 3 goad

Speaker 3 or coerce Cody into getting disqualified. Or then at one time he dumped him into the orchestra pit out there trying to get him counted out.
And Cody made the count back at nine and that got a pop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was pretty good. It really did look like he may be counted out for a second there.
That was really good.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, also because

Speaker 3 the way he got there was Drew tackled him off the apron and he went through the goddamn over the table into the goddamn, you know, the milling throng.

Speaker 3 But think it, they're smart

Speaker 3 and they can adapt on the fly.

Speaker 3 At one point, Cody was going to do a spot where he ran to the corner and came off with a Cody cutter and a referee was in the way for a shoot, actually in the way, not knowing.

Speaker 3 And so Cody buckled his knee on the turnbuckles and kind of crumpled and let drew work on the knee for a while and then they went back to the spot

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 that's and and michael cole let's bring him up

Speaker 1 before we forget to brian you're too hard on michael cole he's the best ever you can't do what he does he's so good he's the least of their problems oh my god i hear it every time i tell the truth about this and he said something here that flabbergasted me.

Speaker 1 I went back three times to rewind it. Eventually, I wrote it down and tweeted it out.

Speaker 1 My God,

Speaker 3 I wrote it down too.

Speaker 3 Michael Cole said that this was the 40th anniversary, which he saw this on Twitter, by the way.

Speaker 3 The 40th anniversary of Dusty Rhodes's famous hard times promo, which is true.

Speaker 3 And that's what cemented Dusty Rhodes as a global star

Speaker 3 in 1985.

Speaker 1 On Worldwide. That would be

Speaker 3 on Worldwide.

Speaker 3 Where do I? That would be like

Speaker 3 in the Gettysburg Address cemented Abraham Lincoln as a coming up politician.

Speaker 1 Well, see, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 It's a great promo. It's a fantastic promo.
In a vacuum, it's a great promo.

Speaker 1 It was not a promo talked about

Speaker 1 ever.

Speaker 1 You know, in my circles, at least, until WWE put it out on DVD.

Speaker 3 I was 75 feet away from him when he did it in the locker room at the TV taping.

Speaker 3 Because you know what that was to Dusty?

Speaker 3 Tuesday.

Speaker 3 He did those promos all the fucking time.

Speaker 3 He did them

Speaker 3 crockett's office for the local promos for philly and charlotte and atlanta and wherever he did them every tuesday night at syndicated tapings

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 they weren't all that good they were into ballparks some of them probably if we went back and looked were even better

Speaker 3 but that's the one they put on the dvd

Speaker 3 But we've talked about this before. It wasn't like

Speaker 3 Dusty came back and said, wow, I wowed him.

Speaker 3 You know, with that one, no, it was Tuesday.

Speaker 3 But the point is,

Speaker 3 he'd been a global star for fucking 10 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he had been a global star. He had been one of the biggest drawing cards in North America.
He had been booked in Japan.

Speaker 1 He was a major draw to the point where he was getting booked out of his own territory everywhere.

Speaker 3 Yes. Years before.

Speaker 1 This was the winding down of his career, not the height of it in any way.

Speaker 1 It would be like if, you know, Jim, I don't know if you know this, today is the 40th anniversary of Jim Cornett's Here They Are Lean, Mean, Slick, and Quick intro in Mid-South for the Midnight Express, which cemented him on the national stage as a voice to be heard.

Speaker 1 It's just like nonsensical. I don't even know if you call it a rewriting of wrestling history.

Speaker 3 It's, I guess it is. But it's just something that, and Michael Cole probably believes it because he wasn't cognizant of what was was happening at the time.

Speaker 3 He was in a different world.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine how different things would be if

Speaker 1 for mid and late 80s, Crockett, people focused more on the promos that were on the syndicated shows as opposed to TBS?

Speaker 3 Well, that's, you know, again,

Speaker 3 it was the same kind of promos. We didn't like save the A material for TBS.
We all did

Speaker 3 the promos the same, regardless of what TV show it was for. And

Speaker 3 in some cases, some of the guys got more time on syndication.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and a lot of fans only know the stuff from TBS because a lot of that syndication stuff just isn't in circulation. Or if it is, you have to really search for it.
WWE doesn't put it out.

Speaker 1 There are loads of fantastic promos that there's a generation of fans that could, you know, they can go discover that.

Speaker 3 And much better matches on syndication, actually, because even the level of the job guys was up, because it wasn't the

Speaker 3 two hours of squash matches that you'd get a lot of times on TBS on Saturday. It was the George Souse and Italian Stallions and Gary Royals and those guys doing jobs and more

Speaker 3 main event matches because we were in arenas.

Speaker 1 And screaming fans. Yeah, that's the other thing.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But anyway, hard times. It's a fantastic promo, but I did not hear any wrestling fan anywhere say a word about it throughout the 90s.

Speaker 3 but anyway so back to cody and drew

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 again they had you know they had gone to do that spot referee was kind of in the way which again was a shoot and then they went back to it

Speaker 3 and then it made it kind of even worse

Speaker 3 that in the finish drew was going to shove cody into the referee

Speaker 3 which he did and the referee goes down from getting squashed in the corner but i've seen people on security videos get hit by cars and be up quicker.

Speaker 3 This was the thing that to me, you talked about the finish that I thought is a good match, good story they told, good work they did,

Speaker 3 but then the finish took the wind out of it because the referee goes down and he's down for so long and Drew

Speaker 3 headbutts Cody and goes out and gets the title belt and swings it, but he misses.

Speaker 3 And Cody and and Drew have a double knockout. And then they're both selling.

Speaker 3 And the poor referee is still down.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 Cody,

Speaker 3 the belt was in the ring. Cody grabs Drew and D D tease him on the belt and then tosses the belt out.

Speaker 3 So.

Speaker 1 Which Wade Barrett in the role of Jesse Ventura immediately pointed out the heel thing to do.

Speaker 3 Yes, and you could almost hear a murmur of like,

Speaker 3 even though Drew brought it in.

Speaker 1 No, you heard it from the fans, yeah.

Speaker 3 But let's face it, they had to give Drew as many outs as possible because he needs to win something

Speaker 3 because he's he's a great talent and he's been doing these incredible promos and his whole thing is he gets screwed,

Speaker 3 but he needs to win something

Speaker 3 to keep in the game before it gets.

Speaker 3 I think part of the thing that got him over was he did have legitimate gripes that he should have got this or he should have got that.

Speaker 3 But if he doesn't win something, then either he's cursed by a gypsy or he just, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 But anyway, Cody, DDT's him on the belt, tosses the belt out. The referee gets up luckily, and Cody hits the crossroads one, two, three.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I wasn't as down on the match as you were, but I think I'm as down on the finish as you are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, again, maybe I was just being unfair to the match. It, to me, did not really hit until the end.
It kind of got a little hot. And then,

Speaker 1 you know, again, you kind of start hyper-analyzing things. You're like looking at Cody's facial expressions.
Was there any sign of being a heel here? It's just such an interesting thing to do.

Speaker 1 The fact that the fans did have an audible reaction

Speaker 1 is maybe the biggest story here.

Speaker 1 Because if they didn't, if they cheered, you know, Hulk Hogan

Speaker 1 wrestled like a heel when he was a babyface. If you ever watch, he's scratching people's back, raking their eyes, doing all sorts of shit.
And the fans are eating it up.

Speaker 3 But the old rule then was the babyface can do it back to the heel. The heel has to do it first.

Speaker 3 But these people are a little pickier.

Speaker 1 But it also, you know, again, put thoughts in my head. Watching Drew slumped against the ring, I was thinking, man, I kind of feel bad for this guy.

Speaker 1 I kind of want to cheer this guy. Cody,

Speaker 1 i don't know i i've thought that there was a little bit of a

Speaker 1 downgrade in his popularity for a little while but if he's going to start doing stuff like that it's going to be interesting to see how and maybe it's just the finish of this match and that's it he'll go back to being you know the milk drinking you know walking old ladies across the street what's cody gonna do next here what's up for cody

Speaker 1 what do you want to see him do

Speaker 3 What do you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 No, you've always been a big supporter of his, even in the past, like an AEW and I had problems with what he was doing. You were one of the last people.
You kind of always have seen the best in Cody.

Speaker 1 You've seen how they've been booking him. You see where he is.
What do you think he should do next?

Speaker 3 Well, apparently, we are not going to get a rematch between Brock Lester and John Cena.

Speaker 3 That's pretty much obvious at this point. So they just decided to just have Brock just beat the piss out of Cena.

Speaker 3 But at the same time, I don't want,

Speaker 3 I wouldn't mind Cody and Brock for the belt is a money match. I don't know whether I want to see a program at this point

Speaker 3 between

Speaker 3 them.

Speaker 3 Promos and personal issues and animosity.

Speaker 3 You know who the best person in the company is at that. It's punk.

Speaker 3 But then

Speaker 3 there's the problem: is that if Cody hadn't been

Speaker 3 bickering and fighting other babyfaces, that would be nominally, you know, just a wonderful thing. And I love Punk's heel

Speaker 3 persona, but it ain't the time for that because they like Punk too.

Speaker 3 You could get a big match out of Cody and Punk as baby faces.

Speaker 3 But you can't get that personal issue like with Punk and Rollins or Punk and Drew.

Speaker 3 Rollins is out of the picture and

Speaker 3 probably needs a rest from all these people

Speaker 3 for the foreseeable future. Anyway,

Speaker 3 so what do Cody do?

Speaker 1 You know, the biggest thing that hasn't been done, and I'm not saying they're going to do it here, but you know, hearing you talk about this just makes me think about it.

Speaker 1 Cody and Punk,

Speaker 1 not like, hey, let's have a match, but I mean, an actual program, it's the most interesting thing either guy could do. The problem would be inherently Cody will start getting booed.

Speaker 1 Even if Punk turned heel, I think Cody would get booed against Punk.

Speaker 3 Yes, because Punk's supporters are more adamant about supporting Punk, regardless of what

Speaker 3 the writers say.

Speaker 3 And Cody has already been, see, that's why I said if he hadn't been, I'd still like it. If he hadn't been,

Speaker 3 you know fighting these other crossways with these other baby faces and or

Speaker 3 had been made to look kind of you know weak for a while there he's just he's he's had a bad year between the rocks interference and the scena thing all that stuff right

Speaker 1 but nevertheless what options are there i'm you know there's

Speaker 1 I mean, Dominic's a champion. He's never really had a big run against a world champion, but he has a championship.
I mean, there's something there already.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it ain't a money match right now.

Speaker 1 Braun and Bronson, I mean, I guess technically you could have one go for Punk, one go for Cody,

Speaker 1 but I don't know if that's the right thing either. The Drew thing's over.
Rollins is gone.

Speaker 1 The Usos, I don't want to see that.

Speaker 1 Roman, whenever he shows up, a Roman-Cody thing, I guess there still is some unresolved stuff. Roman needs to get his win back.

Speaker 1 The Rock, if he's going to show up, if he's going to show up, he's going to show up again in the next few months. If he shows up, is he going to do something with Cody?

Speaker 1 Even if it doesn't lead to anything, is that what they're going to do?

Speaker 3 I mean, right now, if I was

Speaker 3 Nick Kahn or Ari Emmanuel or one of these upper crust high-head honchos, if The Rock wanted to get in a ring again ever, I would say as soon as you put Cody over,

Speaker 3 we'll talk about other matches. But at this point, what the fuck? If he's going to wrestle again, we need to resolve that.

Speaker 3 To me, Braun Breaker and punk for the title is the WrestleMania match because

Speaker 3 of the Paul Heyman involvement, and that'll be brilliant.

Speaker 3 Or maybe Cody can just do commentary and cut promos with Bob Caudle on the hard times he's having.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that. That may be a bit of a stretch, but Cody

Speaker 1 could Jim possibly, potentially use a good night's sleep?

Speaker 3 Well, you know, that's what a lot of people can use. And boy, I'd like to have one because since they changed this daylight savings time, I'm up at five o'clock in the morning and it's pitch black.

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Speaker 1 it won't do anything you woke up last week and called the cops and said there's some woman and several children in my house can you come and take them away i can't comment on that publicly and you know that but the point is that whatever jim said that i already was thrown off from uh that was wrong and let's talk about what's right

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Speaker 1 No tube. No, just no.

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Speaker 3 And they've got mattresses for anybody. If you sleep hot, you sleep cold, you like to sleep on your back or your front.
As a matter of fact, we've heard from a number of people.

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Speaker 1 I don't know about that. And of course, for you sleepaholics, they have great mattresses that are available for public viewing on their website.

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Speaker 1 Well, Jim, why don't we get back to whatever you are smelling on WWE's Saturday night's main event, not a premium live event in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 you shouldn't mention smelling because now it's going to be rude where we're going because

Speaker 3 the next up match, the next up match, the match next up, next up was the match for the women's title between Jade Cargill and Tiffany Stratton.

Speaker 3 And boy, they have changed their.

Speaker 3 We thought, I thought that they switched Jade Heal

Speaker 3 as we were talking about on the show we did a couple of days ago, because they were like, okay, we've given up on

Speaker 3 making her the baby face, you know, superstar. The storm has fizzled out over the Great Plains and been dried up by the low pressure, whatever.

Speaker 3 But then they turn around, and now that she's a heel,

Speaker 3 they just had her beat the shit out of Tiffany Stratton and beat her in about five minutes.

Speaker 1 I thought this was actually the best thing on the show, just in terms of impact and everything.

Speaker 3 Well, there was some impact, especially on that big suplex. Now,

Speaker 3 I don't know if either one of these girls can wrestle, but they look great and they do moves well.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I think did they

Speaker 3 went in, Tiffany had an out because of her injured leg, and that's what Jade was working on through the whole thing. And Tiffany still got a hope spot or two in there.

Speaker 3 But then Jade just gave her three power bombs and it hit her finish. Boom, one, two, three.

Speaker 3 And as I said, it was like five minutes.

Speaker 3 Do you think

Speaker 3 they just wanted to

Speaker 3 make the impact and figured, well, fuck Tiffany, you know, she's still over. Everything's fine there.
Or do you think they don't trust Jade to go 10 minutes?

Speaker 1 Well, beyond that, and that may be right,

Speaker 1 but I don't think she should have gone 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 You know, I think we're in a stage right now where there aren't matches under 10 minutes, it seems like anywhere.

Speaker 3 Well, yes. And I, and now, and now that you've mentioned that, people are going to complain at me that, well, you're always saying they go too long.

Speaker 3 But this was kind of like awfully one-sided, I guess. It's not like it was an exciting.

Speaker 3 It wasn't like the chic came out and there was just chaos for five minutes and then it was over. It was like she just kind of beat the the shit out of her and beat her.

Speaker 1 She has turned heel and she is now dominating and it's different. It seemed like it worked.

Speaker 1 We'll see. I mean, I don't think it hurts Tiffany.
So that's the good thing. I think it helps make Jade bigger.

Speaker 1 Now, again, what they could do in the ring with anyone versus the right opponent, who knows? You got to think they're setting her up for Bianca whenever Bianca returns.

Speaker 1 Because that would be, you know, it may not be, again, may not be a five-star classic, but that's a big deal, especially to the WWE fans, Bianca versus Jade,

Speaker 1 because they brought Jade in as just a happy friend babyface.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now all of a sudden she's kicking ass.

Speaker 3 Well, and as it said, Bianca had broken fingers coming out of WrestleMania. That was April.
This is November.

Speaker 3 And I'm thinking that

Speaker 3 either she fucked up bones in her hand that have required extensive surgery or she's lost some kind of feeling or whatever the fuck is going on or elsewhere she had more going on in a broken finger.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 could she have had anything related to a hand that would keep you out of action for seven months?

Speaker 3 What could that be besides amputating the fucking thing?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Well, you're supposed to be a goddamn doctor.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll see. You know, I actually didn't realize it was still the finger thing from WrestleMania until you said that.
I was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 3 Look, I just saw somebody on the twitter a couple of weeks ago saying gee yeah she had the broken fingers and you know if she's out like five days over nine months

Speaker 3 i think it's gonna be like you know a phantom finger i don't know if she'd come back in five days if she was out for nine months i think there's some period after that time that you know man

Speaker 3 Has anybody seen a recent photo of her? Does she look like she's smuggling basketballs?

Speaker 3 All right. Well, anyway, well, we'll see what happens with Jade.
But like I said, I don't know that either of these young ladies can wrestle, but they do moves well.

Speaker 3 That's the thing is

Speaker 3 there's almost no wrestling,

Speaker 3 even in the matches of the guys that can wrestle these days. And then later on, Punk and Jade tried to wrestle.
We'll get to that.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, though, in AEW,

Speaker 1 This is kind of what they did with her. And when she came to WWE, all of a sudden, not that she was overexposed.
She was exposed.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, she was working in ways that she never had to do before with other people out there who were national stars and celebrities and professionals.

Speaker 1 The way she was using AEW, the best thing about her were the interviews where she clearly had a lot of attitude and charisma. Now that she'll be produced, maybe those will even be better.

Speaker 1 Again, Heel Jade, I think, is the way to go. Yeah.
The Heel Attitude in those promos.

Speaker 1 And again, she wrestled all short matches to the point where we really didn't even know what she could do or not do still at the end of her AEW run. It was like, all right, let's see her work a match.

Speaker 1 Let's see what she could do. Like, we did, we really weren't sure what her capabilities were.
So I think it is the way to use her effectively, probably.

Speaker 1 Use her in short matches and let her do heel promos.

Speaker 3 Well, and then the thing that she was missing there was she did short matches and heel promos, but never a program or a rivalry or a championship, whatever the fuck was she had that one of those bogus titles, titles but

Speaker 3 tnt there was tia the tnt title no wait a minute it'd be the tbs title oh that's right yeah because that's right either that or they had an intergender match somewhere

Speaker 1 that bitch show that's right yes

Speaker 3 except the logo looked like h-o-s it looked like a hoes

Speaker 3 But nevertheless,

Speaker 3 Jade is what we're talking about with short matches. At least now she's got money-drawn opponents and someone to book her into these things.

Speaker 3 And they don't need to be 20 minutes long and it's probably better off.

Speaker 3 But they're going to,

Speaker 3 I guess, try to

Speaker 3 get her positioned that way to see if they can get some return on the investment here, which, as you mentioned, is probably the best way to do it because.

Speaker 3 It's going to be really tough for her to be a babyface when she can't really sell. She can register pain,

Speaker 3 but she's not like an underdog, underneath babyface, selling, you know, selling and fighting back from

Speaker 3 the bottom against all odds type of girl.

Speaker 3 Well, you know what was against the odds next, don't you, Brian?

Speaker 1 A three-way match.

Speaker 3 And it was against the odds that I was going to like it.

Speaker 3 And there was no upset.

Speaker 3 A three-way for the Intercontinental title, Penta versus Rusev versus Dominic Mysterio.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I couldn't in any way even make notes on the match, like, well, you know, because they make no sense. It is a three-way.
And again,

Speaker 3 it was even more egregious this time where one guy would just completely disappear for minutes at a time.

Speaker 3 not be referred to, not seen on camera while two other guys do moves to each other and then they just switch.

Speaker 1 Oh, big deal. Rusev has done that for years at a time.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, that's and that's what I was going to say about him.

Speaker 3 Evaluating these three guys

Speaker 3 in this match,

Speaker 3 Rusev looks good physically. He's athletic.
He does good power stuff.

Speaker 3 I think he spent too long playing with the children and then going and hiding in Bulgaria.

Speaker 3 And I think his window may have closed.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 I get they're putting him in this, but they're not. It's not like he's going to be added to the Heyman stable or anything.
He's a middle card guy in this environment.

Speaker 3 He could have stood out in AEW because of his size and his power and the things he could do if he'd been treated seriously.

Speaker 3 But they killed that off at the start.

Speaker 3 And then he went home and pouted because they'd booked him like shit.

Speaker 3 So now it's five years later and he's, what, is he 40 or 412, however fucking old he is.

Speaker 3 I'm kind of in the middle. He's there.
Not bad to have on the card. He ain't going to draw any money.

Speaker 3 Disagree with me if you can.

Speaker 1 39 years old.

Speaker 1 You know, he's a scary looking guy if you ran into him on the street, but he's not as physically imposing as he used to be.

Speaker 3 Well, and also he's next to bigger guys.

Speaker 1 You didn't really say it, but you even brought up the Heyman's table. That would be a mistake to put him.
It would water down the other two guys just because he's not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're not going to give him some big push where he's going to be launched to the top alongside the Braun Breakers and the like.
That's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 I do think maybe that's what he needs, though, like a buddy. He needs like someone that you see him interact with on TV as opposed to just.

Speaker 3 He had a little buddy at AEW and he was wearing pink Minnie Mouse t-shirts with him. That's what killed him.

Speaker 1 I mean, a serious, gym buddy.

Speaker 1 He needs something. He needs something.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, he's just, you know, the angry guy doing promos before he loses the big match.

Speaker 3 He needs an

Speaker 3 accountability buddy. Accountability buddy.
You South Park fans will know what I'm talking about. Okay, Penta.

Speaker 3 He's better than an AEW because he's produced and he has more professional opponents.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he'll probably do well for him in Mexico with the AAA project or whatever. He has a name there.

Speaker 3 I mean, this, again, he's like a dragon lee for this environment, for the American audience. He's not, nor is he ever going to be a tip-top guy,

Speaker 3 but he's on the card to appeal to the Hispanic audience.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 again, he's there.

Speaker 3 And I don't know, maybe putting him and Phoenix together as the Lucha brothers,

Speaker 3 maybe that would, you know, be something as a tag team for AAA again, but it's not like they're going to be having 45-minute long matches with Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed. So

Speaker 3 that's two guys, and then Dominic,

Speaker 3 who gets better all the time, his work, his selling, his personality.

Speaker 3 And now the people are wanting to like him.

Speaker 3 And you can tell he's gotten over with all of this

Speaker 3 various foolishness that he's done over the past couple of years, starting with Rhea Ripley and through the whole thing, and now on his own.

Speaker 3 And he cheats to win the matches because he's a heel, but he cheats in such cute ways.

Speaker 3 And he's got the oomph.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 Dominic Mysterio, not next month, month,

Speaker 3 maybe not even next year, but

Speaker 3 at some point, he will be a main event fucking guy in his company.

Speaker 3 But however, having said that,

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ, it was just a bunch of guys doing moves to each other.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 they did one thing.

Speaker 3 Dominic pitches the chair to Rusev and then tries to get the referee to disqualify Rusev, say he hit me.

Speaker 3 But the referee said, It's no DQ, it's a three-way. So Rusev just beats the shit out of Dominic with the chair in front of the referee.

Speaker 3 It's a hat on a hat. Brian, the original triple threat match was not a no-DQ match because it didn't need to be.

Speaker 3 It already had a fucking gimmick.

Speaker 3 So they can't even.

Speaker 3 That wasn't, it was a cute spot, but it wasn't necessary.

Speaker 3 And it just, again, makes these things look like what the fuck. It's an AEW type of thing.
Just let's just parry all the referees and do everything because it's all allowed because it's no DQ.

Speaker 3 But having said that, then

Speaker 3 Rusev got a camel clutch on Penta, and Dominic went out and rang the bell. So Russo let it Russo.

Speaker 3 Yes,

Speaker 3 Russo moved to Bulgaria.

Speaker 3 Now Rusev let it go.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 when Dominic

Speaker 3 saw it was Dominic, he went to get him, drew

Speaker 3 Dominic drew back the hammer and tried to use it on him, but Rusev took it away from him and

Speaker 3 beat the shit out of Dominic.

Speaker 3 But then Dominic shoved Rusev into the ring steps. but now Penta had got the hammer, but when he swung at Dominic, Dominic ducked and Penta hit Rusev.

Speaker 3 And then Dominic shit canned him and splashed or shit canned Penta and splashed Rusev off the top one, two, three.

Speaker 3 So they're still doing the bell hammer thing with Dominic, and I like

Speaker 3 the concept that he's got this hammer in different ways, but

Speaker 3 it gets so cluttered with the three-way bullshit. And you can't, you just can't make people, you can't make these matches look credible and realistic.

Speaker 3 Because I know all those people in the building are watching the guy laying on the side of the ring somewhere out of camera sight for three minutes, going, Will he get up any fucking time?

Speaker 1 What's he waiting for? Yeah.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 being in a match

Speaker 3 where

Speaker 3 as it's unfolding, you see that something is going on, that people are going to,

Speaker 3 it's a buzzkill moment. It's going to take people out of it.
It's going to, they're going to be watching that instead of what they need to be watching.

Speaker 3 I hate that feeling.

Speaker 3 I've had it many times. And it's, you know,

Speaker 3 and I just don't understand why they think that it doesn't matter what the 10,000 people or whatever in a building see. It's just the TV audience.
Well, that's 10,000 people.

Speaker 3 Every Every time you do this bogus bullshit in front of them, it's 10,000 more people.

Speaker 3 And that adds up.

Speaker 3 What'd you think of this thing?

Speaker 1 As far as three-way matches go, it was all right. It's definitely noticeable the fans are getting more and more into Dominic.
I hate that neck tattoo, but I may be alone.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I reiterate what you said earlier. I think Penta's just fine where he is in the cart and the people like him.
I do think there could be a run for the Lucha Brothers.

Speaker 1 It may not be against Braun and Bronson unless they're in the tag team division, but I could see that being a bit of a thing at some point when they're on the same show.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 as far as Dominic goes, as far as Rusev goes, yeah. I mean, I kind of, I was surprised they brought him back,

Speaker 1 and he's kind of been

Speaker 1 a non-entity, for lack of a better term. And, you know, I'm not trying to insult the guys really about the way he's booked, but I think now he's kind of stuck there.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 Well, I would say he lost five good years of his life in limbo, but he got paid for five years to do almost nothing. But what he did do didn't help his image in wrestling.

Speaker 1 Tony paid him a lot of money to finish all of his favorite video games.

Speaker 1 I need a boss like that.

Speaker 3 All right. Well,

Speaker 3 you know what they're going to do, Brian, to determine John Cena's final opponent for December 13th

Speaker 3 at the next Saturday night's main event on the cock.

Speaker 3 Can't believe they ended up sticking.

Speaker 3 It used to be a big deal when it was network TV special, and it might even have been okay when all their shit was on Peacock.

Speaker 3 But now that this is almost the only thing it's on Peacock.

Speaker 3 But the tournament to determine his final opponent starts November 10th

Speaker 3 and they're going to do it on television. Oh, joy.

Speaker 3 You think it's a rib on Tony Khan? Well, now we'll just do a tournament and show him how to do that.

Speaker 1 You know, we joke about and make fun of and criticize Tony's use of tournaments. And even Billy Okada is like the greatest tournament wrestler ever, just a non-stat, if there ever was one.

Speaker 1 But Triple H kind of has the same deal going. You know, a lot of the things that I hate that Tony does, Triple H seems to like the same things.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 in general, I'm sick of tournaments. But for this specific one,

Speaker 1 I would like to know if John Cena is personally disappointed at all in the way this year has gone down. Or does he not care at all about the booking?

Speaker 1 It's just about his personal experience in all these different towns, working with his favorite guys one last time.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 to me, this is a deflating and disappointing ending if it's just going to be a tournament won by a Gunther or whoever

Speaker 1 to get John Cena. I mean, unless it's stacked with like

Speaker 1 surprises, it's just another tournament with the same people who are on Raw and SmackDown every week. And you kind of can rule out several people as his last opponent.

Speaker 1 So I don't like it at all for this.

Speaker 3 Well, and hopefully Gunther will win and then Gunther will win.

Speaker 3 Because at this point, might as well, again, Gunther was supposed to get a match with Brock a couple of years ago when they had really give Gunther the big, the big shove.

Speaker 3 And I would think that that would be kind of a passing of the torch moment between two big physical guys. So maybe they will get

Speaker 3 that this time

Speaker 3 where

Speaker 3 Gunther beats Cena. He's back in the top mix.

Speaker 3 Brock's around.

Speaker 3 I'd like to see that match. I'd like to see Gunther beat Brock Lesnar.

Speaker 3 And I think it would draw money.

Speaker 1 And again, nevertheless. Well, we're presuming Gunther, they haven't announced a bracket or a tournament or anything else yet, like who's going to actually be in it.

Speaker 1 But what do you think about using the tournament for this to find the final opponent for John Cena?

Speaker 3 Well, then they've just lazied their way into three or four weeks of television. Oh, yeah, that'll fill up 45 minutes each show, just these tournament matches.
And it's so important.

Speaker 3 Again, I said this a few days ago, the last show we did, but you should have at the start of the year

Speaker 3 identified two or three big main event matches, names, programs you wanted to have through the year.

Speaker 3 And then Give Cena wins over

Speaker 3 in one-offs over a number of other people. And

Speaker 3 he makes all of his last appearances in all these towns, wins most of the matches, and does

Speaker 3 a couple of jobs

Speaker 3 for a couple of people to make them more important and

Speaker 3 i don't know how they that up and you could have had your big

Speaker 3 your major heel that you wanted to beat cena in the end or toward the end i still probably had him have his win his last match i wouldn't make it

Speaker 3 If they could, a survivor series is bigger than Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 3 What about if they'd have had one heel like gunther or somebody of that level that had wanted to ruin cena's party all year and had been in and out trying to with him

Speaker 3 and finally that's the climactic

Speaker 3 big show match survivor series and

Speaker 3 he beats cena

Speaker 3 but then cena comes back on the

Speaker 3 important, but still not as important as Survivor Series, Saturday night's main event, event, and beats another guy in his last match. So you get the happy ending.

Speaker 3 Fuck the heel turn.

Speaker 3 Don't have him fuck with Cody.

Speaker 3 Don't have Cody fuck with him.

Speaker 3 It wasn't all necessary.

Speaker 3 They didn't run off any business, but they sure didn't bring any business in with all what they did.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the big tournament tournament announcement for the John Cena final match. And there is one final match here on Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to guess it was your favorite match of the night.

Speaker 3 Oh, boy.

Speaker 3 Snake bit.

Speaker 3 That phrase came up to me a timer.

Speaker 3 They got four matches on a show, and two of them are for the world title.

Speaker 3 So this is the second world title match of the evening, CM Punk and Jey Uso.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 this is one of the things I was talking about with Jey Uso before when he was the world champion. He needed to win it.
He got so hot.

Speaker 3 He was so popular.

Speaker 3 It would have made him look like shit if he hadn't won that thing, but he couldn't have it for long

Speaker 3 because you can't put

Speaker 3 Jey Uso in 20 and 25 and 30 minute long

Speaker 3 singles matches on big shows. He cannot,

Speaker 3 he can't hang work-wise with the top guys in the company.

Speaker 3 And I'm not just talking about punk here. I'm talking about,

Speaker 3 I'm sorry, Jay has wonderful charisma,

Speaker 3 but his timing and his basics and just his,

Speaker 3 it doesn't appear to me that he's an easy person to work with.

Speaker 3 And wrestling, especially the headlock takeovers, they started out trying to wrestle a world title match,

Speaker 3 and that ain't Jay's thing at all.

Speaker 3 And at one point, Punk tried the reverse neck breaker, and Jay

Speaker 3 turned around and then turned all the way over again and just fell on top of Punk.

Speaker 3 And Punk jumped up and kicked him in the head and picked him up and did it again. What the?

Speaker 3 And bear in mind

Speaker 3 that punk had a couple of baubles here as well including right at the finish

Speaker 3 and it it's

Speaker 3 it doesn't appear to me that jey uso is an is a guy that's easy to work with if you

Speaker 3 are trying to have a long main event singles match let me just say that

Speaker 3 And it was Babyface versus Babyface. I'm sure if you

Speaker 3 had asked Punk, name 10 guys you want to go 20 minutes on a big show with in a babyface versus babyface match,

Speaker 3 Jay wouldn't have been on top of that list either.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 it was put together smartly

Speaker 3 if it had all come off

Speaker 3 as planned.

Speaker 3 But it, again, Punk stayed in control most of the time, but not as a heel because he's a babyface. It just allowed Jay to fight back from underneath and also for Punk to kind of call it.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 they had a bunch of false finishes.

Speaker 3 Post Malone at Ringside looks like a prison gang member.

Speaker 3 That's country music these days.

Speaker 1 Well, he kind of crosses many genres of music.

Speaker 3 Looks like he's got crossways with a tattoo artist who him up

Speaker 3 anyway they were going to the finish punk went for a pile driver and jay hit the go to sleep on him

Speaker 3 and then jay charged him and punk hit a spear and got a two count

Speaker 3 and the people were into these false finishes they've been doing

Speaker 3 and then punk hit the gts the go to sleep

Speaker 3 And Uso, landing on his feet, fell back into the ropes. And as Punk went to his knees, Uso collapsed over like back on Punk's shoulders

Speaker 3 and the working plan

Speaker 3 was for Punk to stand up under him again and give him another go-to sleep one two three

Speaker 3 however

Speaker 3 the physics that bit Ibushi and Alexander in the ass the other day on on AEW took over

Speaker 3 And Uso's weight was too far back. Punk tries to stand up underneath him.
They overbalanced. They fell in a fucking heap.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 you could tell, and I'm sure Punk immediately said, get on me, like Jay had countered it. And Jay gets on him and gets a fucking sleeper.
And that gets a big pop.

Speaker 3 And then Punk rolls it into the Anacon device, and Jay gets the ropes. And then

Speaker 3 Jay hits a couple of super kicks and went for a spear. And Punk hit the

Speaker 3 go-to sleep. and then

Speaker 3 Jay bounced off the ropes into another go-to-sleep one, two, three. So

Speaker 3 they had lived back into what they were going to do, but it was just,

Speaker 3 it wasn't either guy's shining moment, but God almighty, I would not, again, want to have to go 20 in a single match main event with Jay Uso.

Speaker 1 It's one of those things you know they have to get there, and it's watching them try to get there.

Speaker 1 i think uh this is the right ending obviously especially with rollins being gone punk being the champion right now sets you up for a lot of different possibilities

Speaker 1 you know this has been the year of the cena retirement in a lot of ways it's also been the year of jey uso

Speaker 1 and that ring entrance and i know a lot of people love it but you know you almost miss parts of the match because you start fast forwarding or you leave the room because if you're watching it live you don't need to see it i started watching the world series more than I was watching that because it took him a long time to get there.

Speaker 1 And then he does it a second time.

Speaker 3 Yes. No, the entrances on it were almost 10 minutes for the two of them.

Speaker 1 And I think we're seeing for the first time,

Speaker 1 really, all year,

Speaker 1 blowback about Jey Uso's push from fans. I'm seeing a lot of feedback about that.
We're getting it, you know, emailed to us and stuff.

Speaker 1 So I think the year of Jey Uso is coming to an end.

Speaker 1 And like you said, the matches are never.

Speaker 1 You can't name me a classic Jey Uso match. And all the years we've been watching WWE, like name me a great Jey Uso match.
You can't. You can name me great moments.

Speaker 1 You can name me great moments that happen after a match.

Speaker 3 And the Bloodline saga, which was all about promos and whose side is who on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but even when there was a match, it was the match was long plotting. Didn't matter.

Speaker 1 It was about the last two minutes of the match and then all the drama that always happened right right after the match. Jey Uso not knowing if he could turn on Sammy, just everything like that.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 now not to take the piss out of all of that, that was all well done and great. It has charisma and Jimmy has charisma.
But the Usos as a team, it was the same thing.

Speaker 3 They just,

Speaker 3 they aren't that good at the pro wrestling portion of the presentation.

Speaker 1 You know, it's crazy, too, thinking back to that period of time, there is nothing as hot or anywhere near as hot as things got with the Bloodline, where you couldn't wait to see the drama that was going to happen.

Speaker 1 And a lot of the problems we're having now with the TV and everything, they got away with that

Speaker 1 because it was so hot. But a lot of that was a slow-moving thing.

Speaker 1 And we always said it like Paul Heyman's booking: it'll just end with nothing. It'll be no ending.
It'll just dissolve into nothingness.

Speaker 1 But I don't know what you do with him next.

Speaker 3 Well, and that's that's the thing. That's why Punk had to win this because,

Speaker 3 again,

Speaker 3 the world title on Punk, he can be in the orbit of the Heyman group, and there's the connection there. Whereas, if they put Jay involved with the Heyman group, then it looks like

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 Roman's replacement showed up. It's not Snooka, it's CVAFA or whatever,

Speaker 1 Superfly Afi, whatever the case.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 they need the name value going into the WrestleMania season.

Speaker 1 You know, we've been talking about

Speaker 1 how these shows feel, the state of WWE TV lately.

Speaker 1 Saturday night's main event did nothing to fix any of that. And it was four matches and it took forever.

Speaker 3 And you mentioned they were up against the World Series. My bigger problem, they were up against Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had that on the lip.

Speaker 3 On Sven Gooly. But, hey, let's be honest.
I was asleep by nine o'clock Saturday night anyway, like always. And then, and fuck the fucking

Speaker 3 change of the time. I'm waking up same time every day anyway.

Speaker 3 But I mean,

Speaker 3 this was, I think, more contractual obligation than a show that was necessary to be held.

Speaker 1 And you felt good for Punk. It seemed like it really was a moment.
You know, we all joke about these titles or, you know, just what they are, but it really seemed like it meant something to him.

Speaker 3 It's a

Speaker 1 full return.

Speaker 3 Probably should have happened on Survivor Series, one of the big events of the year, instead of this thing that's hidden on a streaming service somewhere.

Speaker 1 Against the World Series, yeah. Because that match was the match specifically because it began at seven, not eight.

Speaker 1 This match is the one that really went up against things getting good in the World Series.

Speaker 1 Jim, I'm going to ask you about a

Speaker 1 photo that made the rounds in a moment. But first,

Speaker 1 I'd like to talk to you about

Speaker 1 music. You know, people think of CM Punk.
I mean, there's a reason that's his name. It's punk rock.
That was the music he got into. He talks about straight edge.

Speaker 1 I've heard him quote other minor threat songs.

Speaker 1 Music is very important. He has theme music.
And of course, Jey Uso has endless theme music, which is awful. But music

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 3 music.

Speaker 1 Music. I guess what's very, very good.
Jim, I guess what I'm trying to say is we all need to be able to hear things.

Speaker 1 And we have a friend that'll stop me right now and let you tell them about how they could hear great music and great podcasts with great earbuds.

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Speaker 3 Because it doesn't have to be music. No.
It could be voice. It could be podcast.
You can listen to our podcast on the earbuds. Hello.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 You can listen to our podcast. I'm saying hello to the audience.
Yes. Oh, yeah.
I thought you were saying hello to the listeners.

Speaker 3 I thought you couldn't hear me. What, are you on the fucking Nitris again?

Speaker 3 What the hell's going on?

Speaker 1 I was doing my Lloyd Lindsey Young. Hello.

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It's not up to you. It's up to law enforcement to stop you.
That's not something you should do.

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Speaker 1 All right. Well, there it is.
Not just Raycon, but Saturday night's main event. And we'll shortly talk about WWE Raw, everything coming out of Saturday night's main event that we watched.

Speaker 1 But Jim, a photo that made the rounds from that night.

Speaker 3 I believe CM Punk. Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 I believe CM Punk was the one who put it out there. But it was CM Punk.

Speaker 3 That makes it even better. He's the ringleader.

Speaker 1 It was CM Punk.

Speaker 3 He's the fucking Eddie Haskell of this son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 With some of the other title holders in WWE, Jay Cargill, who won the women's championship that night. Cody Rhodes, the world champion or WWE champion.
One of those two is one of those belts.

Speaker 1 And of course, Ricky Starks. from NXT,

Speaker 1 who is one of the champions there. Is he the NXT champion? I'm not even sure.

Speaker 3 He had a big old belt on him.

Speaker 1 But that photo went around.

Speaker 1 It was another post that some people attached that photo to another one from a couple of days ago of Mariah Mae or Blake Monroe with Ethan Page backstage, and they're both holding belts.

Speaker 1 What do you think of the photo, the idea behind it, and putting it out there? And just... Everyone's been buzzing about the idea.

Speaker 1 Here are all these guys and girls that were in AEW, that were title holders there, that were stars there, and that all left. For one reason or another, it wasn't necessarily the right thing for AEW.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 first of all, the belt thing is secondary.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 because I get on

Speaker 3 AEW, everybody's got a belt. Several of them have more than one.
There's 25 or 30 of them that's epidemic. But in the WWE system,

Speaker 3 there are quite a few belts also. So

Speaker 3 to be honest, that

Speaker 3 just the belt itself is not the honor it used to be and not the haha, ooh-hoo moment when Ethan Page has some kind of belt or whatever.

Speaker 3 But a couple of what a couple of the belts are,

Speaker 3 and more importantly, the personalities in the picture.

Speaker 3 That's what the

Speaker 3 not an aha moment, but a rub-it-your-face moment or a fucking, well,

Speaker 3 back at you, motherfucker moment, whatever. That's it, because you have

Speaker 3 both of the male

Speaker 3 world champions

Speaker 3 out of really two world champions in the biggest company on earth.

Speaker 3 You have

Speaker 3 one of the women's champions

Speaker 3 that was also an AEW project at the start.

Speaker 3 You have Riggy Starks, who

Speaker 3 was pretty much, I mean, Tony will

Speaker 3 pay these guys to fucking sit around and do whatever show, like Okada show up and be lazy, or like a lot of them, just when he don't want to

Speaker 3 deal with their issues. He just sends them a check.
But Starks actually just was like, just get me out of here. Let me just, I'll just go.
And,

Speaker 3 you know, so that's a thing

Speaker 3 but it they were all

Speaker 3 on his roster and if you want to narrow it down to two

Speaker 3 both at different times and both for different reasons he had both of the current men's world champion now i sound like paige

Speaker 3 in in the biggest company on earth on his roster. And

Speaker 3 we don't know the reason why Cody left because they've kept that private, and I respect that of them,

Speaker 3 that they've been able to do it for the most part.

Speaker 3 But just the idea that he would let him out of all of the executive vice presidents,

Speaker 3 this guy is the one he would let go over any other before any of whatever the case.

Speaker 3 And secondly, the other one is the guy that he let go because of his jackass vice presidents.

Speaker 3 Right there, that's the.

Speaker 3 Am I crazy?

Speaker 1 No, you're not the crazy one. Tony was.
If you really look at the roster and the roster makeup, and again, the people that are not there, and I'm not talking about Malachi Black and Rusev and Andrade,

Speaker 1 I'm talking about Cody Rhodes, CM Punk, the people in the final, Ricky Starks, Jade Cargill,

Speaker 1 Mariah May.

Speaker 1 Ethan Page was a notch below them, I would say, in AEW. He's done a lot better since leaving there.

Speaker 1 But those were all,

Speaker 1 other than,

Speaker 1 I can't say about Ricky Starks, and it's not his fault, it's their fault, they were all priorities. Jay Cargill was a priority.
They gave her a belt and a push

Speaker 1 and let her say shit all over TV. Cut the shit, Tony.
That's what we first knew her for.

Speaker 1 CM Punk was the biggest star in the history of the company during the most successful period of time in the history of the company. And they blew that because of the nature of AEW.
Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 1 You know, Cody Rhodes is the children too, but the issue with Cody isn't the children that were

Speaker 1 not necessarily appreciative of Cody. It's the one child.
It's the main child.

Speaker 1 And that's Tony. And Ricky Starks just never had a chance.
I mean, I know you could say they pushed him with Big Bill as the tag team champion.

Speaker 1 Ricky Starks as a heel or a babyface got a better reaction than most people.

Speaker 1 And when you think back to that segment with him and Adam Copeland, where he called them bug-eyed, and Adam Copeland flipped and just cut him down on TV, and Ricky Starks didn't even get a chance to really do anything back.

Speaker 1 Look at the choice there. Like, who would be more valuable to AEW today? Adam Copeland, who's there? Well, he's supposed to be there.
He's injured, or no, he's not injured.

Speaker 1 He left because his wife got hurt by FTR in K-Fabe. Or Ricky Starks,

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 was someone the fans chose.

Speaker 1 You gave up on someone the fans chose.

Speaker 3 How about this? How about if, and

Speaker 3 I'm not saying actually do this because he wouldn't have fit, and it would be putting the Starks in another shitty position.

Speaker 3 But if they had put Starks in something like Moxley's group instead of Yuda,

Speaker 3 or if that giant push for Garcia, remember where we couldn't get away from him for like a year?

Speaker 3 And there's been no change, no growth, no evolution, no bleh. Imagine if Starks had that behind him in that company.
Maybe that

Speaker 3 might have moved something

Speaker 3 besides their bowels.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, Jade's development has been better under WWE, obviously, than it was in AEW, where there really wasn't. I mean, day one, she was kind of who she was the last day.

Speaker 1 There wasn't any development. But again, it goes back to the bigger picture.
You look at the AEW roster now. You look at the lack of star power there.

Speaker 1 You look at, you know, just how not exciting the content is right now.

Speaker 1 And then you look at all these guys here. And for everyone who said CM Punk is such a cancer, causes problems, causes fights.

Speaker 1 The fucking guy looks like he's having the time of his life and is happier than I've ever seen him ever right now.

Speaker 1 And, you know, AEW's lack of structure is a big part of the problem for everyone's issues over there, but I guess it's just a symbolic photo.

Speaker 1 I mean, no one said fuck you, Tony, in it, but it's kind of a fuck you to Tony.

Speaker 3 It's ironic. Isn't it ironic?

Speaker 3 It's like rain on your wedding day.

Speaker 3 Or all those other things that old Whatch Collett said that weren't actually really ironic.

Speaker 1 Oh, Annis Morissette.

Speaker 3 There you go. Isn't that ironic?

Speaker 1 Now you don't remember her name?

Speaker 1 Yes. Don't you think?

Speaker 1 Well, that's the photo controversy, Jim. And now let's get to WWE Monday Night Raw,

Speaker 1 a show this week from New Mexico. I have to say, I really love the way the building looked.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because it had the

Speaker 3 big long oval shape and low and wide so that you could see all of the people.

Speaker 3 I don't know how big the place is, but they said it was sold out and jammed. And from the shot, they had a

Speaker 3 small entrance and a

Speaker 3 narrow allway and etc. So I would imagine it was close to, but what else they got to do in Albuquerque

Speaker 3 besides make left turns or Rio Rancho, I should say.

Speaker 3 That's suburban Albuquerque,

Speaker 3 is it not?

Speaker 3 Brian, you used to live in New Mexico among cave dwellers.

Speaker 1 I have flown over New Mexico, I think, maybe, but I've never been to New Mexico.

Speaker 3 I thought I've seen pictures of you in the cave dwellings out there in the

Speaker 3 cliffs of Dover. That's next to the, where the alien land down there, Roswell.

Speaker 1 You figured me out.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 3 The last time I was in Albuquerque, they didn't have suburbs. It was like 1986.

Speaker 3 But anyway, this is the Raw after the Saturday night's main event, and they open up the program. And then Lacka Mussolini,

Speaker 3 he won the Belty.

Speaker 3 And here comes Punk. And this was a hot crowd.
They liked.

Speaker 3 everything considerably more than some of the

Speaker 3 people have lately.

Speaker 3 But he got the big, you know,

Speaker 3 big response. And again, as you said a few minutes ago, he looks like he's having the time of his life.
He's shaking hands. He's hugging people.
He's, everybody's happy.

Speaker 3 They've finally achieved what Vince always wanted. We want to put smiles on people's faces.
Well, put the belt on, punk.

Speaker 3 And they chanted, you deserve it, and et cetera. And

Speaker 3 so he thanked.

Speaker 3 I like that he thanked Larry first, because because after all, behind every great man is his dog.

Speaker 3 And then came A.J. Lee and the fans and Jey Uso, but

Speaker 3 that's the thing is that he knows how to talk to people and he can be a babyface without

Speaker 3 coming out there and being nicey, nicey, kissy, kissy. He's just honest

Speaker 3 about his

Speaker 3 emotions or gratitude or whatever instead of being, but at the same time, he keeps his little edge.

Speaker 3 Whereas Cody sometimes veers into the

Speaker 3 sweetness every now and then.

Speaker 1 The theater.

Speaker 1 Cody ventures into the theater. What did you think? Did you hear it sounded almost like Jey Uso was booed a little bit when he said his name?

Speaker 3 Yes, there was a little, there was a little, when he said Jey Uso, there was a little rumble, which, you know,

Speaker 3 We talked about that is some people still take it personally and they get mad at the guys. I mean, all these things will pass,

Speaker 3 but there was a noticeable,

Speaker 3 you know.

Speaker 3 But basically, he cut another good babyface promo as a new champion. And he knows that he's a target and he could lose any time.
So he's got to watch out. And he plugged the bronze

Speaker 3 and wants to punch all of them in the face and fight the best. He mentioned AJ and Dominic and JD and Finn and Seamus and John Cena.

Speaker 3 Anybody who's earned it, the champ is here. You want some, come get some.

Speaker 3 And the music plays, and it's Logan Paul.

Speaker 3 And I was wondering where he'd been. I'd almost forgot about him.

Speaker 3 And Punk was great here because instead of standing slack-jawed and

Speaker 3 fucking gape-mouthed, dumbfounded like everybody else does, he reacted the whole way and he didn't wait for the music to stop playing before he started speaking again he's like no anybody but you

Speaker 3 and that goes back to something brian you and i were talking about on one of the shows we did recently where i said the announcer being in between back in the

Speaker 3 you know first 60 or 70 years of television wrestling gave some kind of visual to the people separation between the two so that they could be in the same camera shot so that you could see a guy reacting to facially and with body language when another guy's speaking.

Speaker 3 And there was some

Speaker 3 instead of them having to just stand across the ring and look at each other, and that's what they do now. But Punk was reacting to what Logan Paul was doing.

Speaker 3 He's like, go to, as I said, go to SmackDown, take Ilya's challenge. You know, not you, you're the shits, right? And of course, Logan Paul

Speaker 3 does his heel shit. shit.

Speaker 3 And then suddenly you hear Hayman's voice.

Speaker 3 And out he comes with the bronze. And

Speaker 3 of course, Paul Lee says, you know, Punk earlier referred to himself feeling like a king without a crown. And Paul said, I don't see a king without a crown.
It's a bitch without an owner.

Speaker 3 But Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 And Paul says that Braun is the front of the line and orders Logan Paul to get out of the ring.

Speaker 3 And I'm thinking,

Speaker 3 I'm not sure about this, but Logan Paul refuses because he was there first. And

Speaker 3 then Braun starts. And this guy is,

Speaker 3 he's not just the

Speaker 3 screaming, drooling,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 offspring of a dog-faced gremlin and a fucking, whatever.

Speaker 3 he's got inflection. He's got levels to his promo.
Loving him more and more every day.

Speaker 3 Braun says,

Speaker 3 Paul bought everybody

Speaker 3 a couple of weeks to live until the new champion was crowned. And, you know, we found out what was going to go on there.
And now I'm not waiting.

Speaker 3 So he cuts promo on all of them.

Speaker 3 And by the way, this is going long.

Speaker 3 And did you see the report that this segment went about 10 minutes longer than it was supposed to? Because

Speaker 3 this week's raw on Netflix, this week's raw is like two hours and 48 minutes or whatever.

Speaker 3 he's not waiting. But the thing is, they're stars.

Speaker 3 These are the big, I'd rather see them talk and do it well

Speaker 3 than

Speaker 3 see, you know,

Speaker 3 Los Garza dip shit versus Tits McGee for 20 minutes.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 Punk tells Logan Paul, either

Speaker 3 we're about ready to fight. So either fight or get out of my ring.

Speaker 3 And so Logan Paul gets out,

Speaker 3 which is great.

Speaker 3 But the Bronze wouldn't let him buy.

Speaker 3 And Braun Breaker shoved

Speaker 3 Logan Paul, who did you see him hit the back of his head on the fucking ring on their LED board?

Speaker 1 That was bad.

Speaker 3 I heard a clunk, too. I did that one night on Raw on the fucking stairs, and

Speaker 3 kind of liquid came out my nose all night. But anyway,

Speaker 3 so Reid and Breaker swarm Punk and boom, boom, boom, they're beating him up. And then Logan Paul comes in and finally to do something, but they beat him up.
And then Bronson Reed splashes Logan Paul.

Speaker 3 And then Punk comes in with a chair and clears the ring and gets the CM Punk chance. And

Speaker 3 the heels took off, and Logan Paul's there selling.

Speaker 3 And we're 26 minutes into the show. But as I said,

Speaker 3 I'd rather see all the guys that can talk do it and get an angle going

Speaker 3 than the miscellaneous matches.

Speaker 3 This didn't feel as long as these goddamn

Speaker 3 opening show soliloquies

Speaker 3 normally are because they

Speaker 3 kept bringing more people out and they could all talk.

Speaker 3 I don't know what it did. You nod off?

Speaker 1 No, I really liked it, and I didn't get tired of it. I didn't realize it went that long.
It went by pretty quickly. And I think it's in part because Logan Paul

Speaker 1 was a surprise. I mean, I didn't think, oh, what if Logan Paul and Punk start their feud tonight? So him coming out there was a surprise.
And the way it played out,

Speaker 1 just in this segment alone, not even talking about the main event,

Speaker 1 it all was what's going to happen. What's about to happen?

Speaker 1 I feared we would get Adam Pierce Sorman out there. Stop everything.

Speaker 1 We'll have a match. Like I was dreading that happening and it didn't.
And it didn't happen. So it felt different.
It ended differently than a lot of these things do.

Speaker 1 We could discuss Logan Paul taking the splash and returning later on, but whatever.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I thought this was great and it was intriguing because you didn't know what would happen exactly with punk and Logan Paul. And then all of a sudden, as soon as Heyman and the bronze come out,

Speaker 1 now you really don't know what's going to happen because they're insulting Logan Paul too. He's standing there.

Speaker 1 Me personally, I didn't have any thoughts of what if Logan Paul joins the Heyman stable.

Speaker 1 So I thought this was a great segment.

Speaker 3 Well, and in theory, Logan Paul can occupy the

Speaker 3 Seth Rollins position

Speaker 3 to where,

Speaker 3 you know, there's a single egomaniac,

Speaker 3 and then there's these two tag teams or two tag team guys with one kind of egomaniac, and Bronson Reed's the Arne Anderson, and that's fine.

Speaker 3 And,

Speaker 3 you know, they can kind of do maybe sort of whatever it was they were going to do to begin with. You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Except Logan Paul doesn't have as bad a fashion sense as Seth Rollins.

Speaker 1 Logan Paul is so good. When he came out there and got on the mic,

Speaker 1 it's not that he's even saying anything that other heels haven't said or couldn't say, but you believe him. You absolutely believe he's this conceited prick.

Speaker 1 Yes. You believe it, and he's so good in that role.

Speaker 3 And because there is,

Speaker 3 I'm sure, a great element of art imitating life.

Speaker 3 He carries it off so well, it's very natural to it.

Speaker 1 But we just talked the other day.

Speaker 1 It may have even been a Saturday night's main event review. I'm not even sure when.
We've recorded a lot recently

Speaker 1 about who's the champion going to feud with next, whether it was Cody or Punk. Like, what's out there? Obviously, Braun and Bronson are out there, but there's a lot of things.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, Randy Orton and Cody is something they haven't really done yet, pulled the string on yet, but you could tell that it's been set up a little bit. But what about Punk?

Speaker 1 We didn't think about Punk and Logan Paul.

Speaker 3 Well, we didn't think about Logan Paul.

Speaker 1 We didn't think about Logan Paul.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like Punk's promo here. He didn't

Speaker 1 reality and wrestling, but we didn't even talk about him. That is something different.
That is something new. That is something I'd want to see, especially the promos back and forth.

Speaker 3 Well, and besides that, now I can see also

Speaker 3 well, we'll go ahead and talk about the end of the show if you want to at the same time here, and and then come back and

Speaker 3 pick up a couple of other things but

Speaker 3 the point is with paul and with paul and paul with paul and paul with logan paul and paul heyman aligned with each other

Speaker 3 they could do the deal with logan paul's a businessman he's the prime guy he's the mover and shaker But he needs the fucking

Speaker 3 Heyman is a goddamn agent.

Speaker 3 Heyman's a god, a powerful fucking guy. They join together at Heyman's like,

Speaker 3 yes, a client like this, they can put each other over,

Speaker 3 but Heyman and that group can add something to Logan Paul, who's not there all the time. And now he's got somebody to talk for him and keep him alive when he may not be there.
You see where I'm going.

Speaker 3 So I like that. And it's,

Speaker 3 and then Braun can still be jealous of Logan Paul at some point,

Speaker 3 or vice versa.

Speaker 3 And what happens when Rollins gets back? He's going to be a babyface because he's coming back from an injury. So you guys, there you go.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 they're,

Speaker 3 I think, doing a good job of piecing back together whatever they were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Speaker 3 Having said that, the main event, Brian, that we did end up getting,

Speaker 3 at least they didn't just, oh, you guys fight right on the spot. But the main event was Punk and Jay Uso

Speaker 3 against Bronson Reed and Braun Breaker. And

Speaker 3 Punk had to, you know, they got together during the show. He and Jay and said, Jay, okay, I'm, you know,

Speaker 3 I'm my own man with it, with this type of thing.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 Paul was telling Jay in veiled terms, you know, earlier in the program that it was going to be a bad experience for him with

Speaker 3 anybody that's not with the vision. They're just going to get the shit kicked out of them every time they show up.

Speaker 3 So good luck.

Speaker 3 So the tag team match was

Speaker 3 set for the main event. And we have the questions of who's going to do what to who and

Speaker 3 who can trust who and the and the guys teaming up that just had the world title match.

Speaker 3 And again, they had a good match, but it's not about,

Speaker 3 or wasn't about the fucking match. They got him.

Speaker 3 Jay is trying. He seems to be getting away from the open-handed punches like the other Samoans do.

Speaker 3 But they got heat on punk, and Bronson Reed, I think, is really good. And Braunbreaker is, you know, the next megastar.

Speaker 3 And did you see

Speaker 3 Dax Harwood got pissed on Twitter? Did you say, wait, you can tell he's pissed, even though he didn't act pissed. He just tweeted a picture.

Speaker 3 The bronze did a shatter machine to punk and got a two count and Uso made save.

Speaker 3 And then Dax tweeted out a picture of them doing the shatter machine and just said, not even close. Did you see this?

Speaker 1 I did not see this, no.

Speaker 3 I mean, I could get mad at every team that does the flapjack,

Speaker 3 but, you know, it's kind of

Speaker 3 at this point, everybody's going to do every fucking move.

Speaker 3 Anyway,

Speaker 3 finally,

Speaker 3 the tags to Uso and Reed and Uso made a comeback and they got a false finish or two. And then

Speaker 3 Punk and Braun went to the floor and Jay dove on Bronson Reed on the floor and they had a four-way on the floor and they actually got counted out.

Speaker 3 The first double count out I can remember seeing in forever because they couldn't beat the babyfaces and they don't need to beat the heels.

Speaker 3 And then finally, they kept

Speaker 3 the fight going. And the only thing I have,

Speaker 3 they rang the bell, double count out, and then the referee disappears.

Speaker 3 And you never hear another bell ring, like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, whatever. You never see any other referees come out.
They just continue the fight.

Speaker 3 And they've lost the pretext of this is

Speaker 3 out of control. Am I being a nitpicker here?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say a nitpicker. I mean, that's just maybe the right way to do it.

Speaker 1 You know, you're pointing out a logic hole. I just want to say I thought, and I never thought I would say this, I thought the double countout was kind of refreshing.

Speaker 1 You know, we kind of got to a period where there's always a finish.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 And there's, you know, and again, I don't want every match to be double DQ and double countout, but I saw plenty of shows as a kid where maybe the majority of the matches had an, whatever you want to call it, a non-finish.

Speaker 1 It was the end of the match, but you didn't get a winner.

Speaker 1 You know, we get too many winners and I guess too many losers is a bigger issue.

Speaker 3 The point is, at least now we know there's some rules. If there was more,

Speaker 3 because in those days,

Speaker 3 They did double count outs or double DQs or whatever to continue a program to avoid having one

Speaker 3 entity, either single or team, triumph over the other before

Speaker 3 the program was finished. And if it was exciting enough, people got into it, but also because most of the matches

Speaker 3 were conducted as if there were fucking rules. Now,

Speaker 3 then suddenly the marks amongst the wrestling fans, the subset of wrestling fans that are truly marks,

Speaker 3 decided that,

Speaker 3 oh, no, you got to have a finish or you're cheating the people.

Speaker 3 Well, you cheated the people out of six more weeks of the program.

Speaker 3 But then it became:

Speaker 3 we're going to do all the outlandish shit, but we'll just never have a disqualification or a count out. We'll just act like there's no rules and it will still have a finish.
And that's now the norm.

Speaker 3 So it was refreshing that, yeah, get back in the ring or we're going to count your ass out.

Speaker 3 Anyhow,

Speaker 3 they're having the big fight and they splashed Uso, so he's wiped out. But Punk comes in with a chair again,

Speaker 3 and the heels get the chairs and start to come back in. They got to stand off, and here comes Logan Paul,

Speaker 3 and he stands up next to Punk, and he puts on the brass knucks,

Speaker 3 and he swings and knocks Punk slap dab out, colder than a banker's heart.

Speaker 3 And it got heat. They were booing.
And then

Speaker 3 punks laid there, Jay's laid there.

Speaker 3 The people are booing. And they start saying, fuck you, Logan, which they were trying to bleep.

Speaker 3 And Logan Paul turns to Heyman, and Heyman's like, if he hits me, kill him to the bronze.

Speaker 3 And Logan Paul handed the Nucks to Heyman.

Speaker 3 And Logan smiles, and Paulie smiles.

Speaker 3 And it was a good detail

Speaker 3 that Paul didn't know

Speaker 3 because obviously,

Speaker 3 if they had plotted it from the start,

Speaker 3 then Logan Paul took a fucking splash for no reason. Right.

Speaker 3 And as you said, he still came back, apparently suffering no ill effects from the fucking splash. But

Speaker 3 if it had all been a plot from the start,

Speaker 3 That's going over and above the Call of Duty, right?

Speaker 1 Right. I guess we're supposed to believe that something happened between that first segment and this last match that made Logan Paul say, you know, maybe I want to join those guys.

Speaker 3 Well, that's what I'm thinking: is that Logan Paul probably said, I'm an entrepreneur and I want this successful merger of business empires, some shit like that.

Speaker 3 But nevertheless, did you see?

Speaker 3 Here's another thing.

Speaker 3 This AI bullshit now.

Speaker 3 Somebody within 12 hours had taken the clip of Logan Paul handing the

Speaker 3 Nux to Paul Heyman and them close-up of them smiling at each other.

Speaker 3 And they have generated the video of them leaning in and giving a big old ant eater tongue kiss to each other.

Speaker 3 And that kind of disturbing image should not be put on a platform where children under the age of 21 or maybe even 25

Speaker 3 should be able to see it. Don't Don't you agree?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't, and I'm glad.

Speaker 3 Well, you got to see it. I only saw it 17 or 18 times, but you got to see it once or twice.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, that was the main event of Raw.
And what an ending to the review of the main event of Raw that was.

Speaker 3 Well, no, well, we got to go back because we

Speaker 3 never neglected over part of it in the middle because we wanted to keep some continuity there.

Speaker 3 But the Battle of the Mysterios, did you you remember this, don't you?

Speaker 1 I thought this was really good. And there were a few lines and I thought Dominic's facial expressions,

Speaker 1 it was really good, I thought.

Speaker 3 Well, that's Dominic was doing the in-ring promo and again.

Speaker 3 Boy, this kid, now he's got the people and he knows it. And they don't boo over him now every time he opens his mouth because they want to hear.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he said, bow down to the king of the luchadors. And he got booze and cheers.

Speaker 3 And he's, you know, he cuts the promo. He's,

Speaker 3 I'm the best lucha libre, blah, blah, blah, and no man on the planet can stop me.

Speaker 3 Ray Mysterio's music hits

Speaker 3 and he gets a big pop. And he, because he's been hurt since who was the clumsy dip shit that jerked him out of the ring day before WrestleMania and tore his groin?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't remember. Yeah, I forgot all about that.

Speaker 3 Well, he got about seven months off for that. But

Speaker 3 anyway,

Speaker 3 the people were holy shit, holy shit. And it's New Mexico.
There's a Hispanic contingent in the audience. This is Taylor Made for This Market.

Speaker 3 Ed Ray cuts the promo.

Speaker 3 Say, you're not the king of Lucha Libre, but the fans started singing dirty, dirty dom or what, how,

Speaker 3 like Cody, Cody Rhodes. What is that tune?

Speaker 1 Daddy Cool by Boney M.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, what's the, I can't sing the tune. Is it Dirty Dominic? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Dirty. No, that's my dad.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that is, but Dominic leaned into it. I thought it was great.

Speaker 3 And the point is.

Speaker 3 You know, they're doing this, but the people are into this

Speaker 3 segment, right? And Ray's saying, you're insulting not only our family, but El Santo and Blue Demon and Eddie Guerrero got a big pop and they chanted Eddie.

Speaker 3 And then Dominic said, keep my father's name out of your mouth.

Speaker 1 Oh, what a line.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 the kids, he's just, he's come a long way.

Speaker 3 So Dominic's saying, I'm better than all of them, and I'm better than you.

Speaker 3 And Ray starts taking his jacket off, and the people are chanting, whoop his ass, whoop his ass.

Speaker 3 And then Dominic tells Ray, get out of my ring. Everybody is like a squatter.

Speaker 3 They have, they've claiming ownership of the ring.

Speaker 3 So Ray says, I'm going to leave, but as long as I'm around, you're never going to be the king of Lucha Libre, and this will never be your ring, and you'll never be the greatest Mysterio.

Speaker 3 And so Dominic swung at him, they had a little scuffle, and Ray hit the 619, and Dominic bailed.

Speaker 3 And that, you know, again, excellent. I want to see the eventual match again.
I know they've done things before, but

Speaker 3 this is all brand new now.

Speaker 3 Otherwise than that, it was a little bit dreary the rest of the program.

Speaker 1 Will we get that match on Raw or a pay-per-view, or will we get it in AAA?

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 why couldn't it be on a premium live event and in AAA?

Speaker 3 Because it's, you know, it'll work more than once. And

Speaker 3 I would think that

Speaker 3 the markets are

Speaker 3 far enough apart where they could do it a couple of times.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't just give it away on Raw.

Speaker 3 But what do I know?

Speaker 1 Well, we'll see what happens with the Mysterios. Did you see Adam Pierce pulling the

Speaker 1 balls or the ballots, whatever it was?

Speaker 3 No, is he was he pulling his balls out again? We had talked to him about that several times in Ring of Honor. He wasn't.
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Speaker 3 Yes.

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Speaker 3 Of course,

Speaker 3 one of them was bigger than the other, so he had a sort of lopsided testicular situation going on there.

Speaker 1 But yeah, but the drawing balls, the drawing is the word I'm looking for of the uh

Speaker 1 contestants for the tournament to wrestle John Cena on Saturday night's main event on Peacock for his last.

Speaker 3 I didn't see that, I didn't see that part, yeah.

Speaker 1 They did half of it, and it was just not really exciting. It was Seamus versus someone, Damian Priest versus

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Speaker 1 and uh

Speaker 1 yeah, we'll see what this is, but that was was Raw.

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Speaker 1 Jim, let's move on here with the show, if that isn't even possible. I have a list here.
I have a list that was compiled by...

Speaker 3 I'm out of breath.

Speaker 1 I have a list that was compiled by Bleacher Report.

Speaker 3 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 1 The top 20 WWE and AEW stars in their 20s.

Speaker 1 A lot of listeners sent over this link. They wanted to get your thoughts on this list.
And if you think it's fair, right, wrong, indifferent.

Speaker 3 Indifferent. I have a pen now to jot down notes.

Speaker 1 Number 20,

Speaker 1 Hook.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 he fits.

Speaker 3 He's 20-something years old.

Speaker 1 26 years old, and of course, a three-time former FTW champion.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm going to have to see the other 19 before I got to see where this list is to determine whether or not he should have made a top 20. But Jeez, O Pete,

Speaker 3 besides the long extended absences for reasons that we don't know,

Speaker 3 he's still doing kind of the same thing he was doing five years ago, isn't he?

Speaker 1 But Jim number 19 on the list, a former IWGP junior heavyweight tag team champion on two occasions, the 28-year-old Kevin Knight

Speaker 1 from Jetspeed.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, yeah, I remember him. He's Hong Kong Fui's partner.

Speaker 3 I can believe this.

Speaker 3 He's 20, whatever the fuck years old you just said,

Speaker 3 and he's got potential. He's athletic.
He's got a personality. He's stuck with Ricky Steamboat's daughter as a tag team partner and

Speaker 3 in a tag team roster and booking situation that is just meaningless. But

Speaker 3 he got potential.

Speaker 1 Here's an interesting one at number 18, a former two-time U.S. champion, a former SmackDown tag champion, and a former Money in the Bank winner,

Speaker 1 the 28-year-old Austin Theory.

Speaker 3 Where is he?

Speaker 1 The description here on Bleacher Report, it is an indictment of Triple H and his creative regime. That theory does not rank higher on the list.

Speaker 1 It doesn't say where he is, though.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 here's what I'm afraid of.

Speaker 3 I'm afraid that it's an indictment of Austin theory that he must be just a heat-getting son of a bitch or some kind of complete fucking moron.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 as good as he looks, as impeccable as

Speaker 3 the technical part of his work was in the ring, with the

Speaker 3 timing and the athletic ability he had to bumping and selling and feeding and offense and etc.

Speaker 3 If they haven't not only been able to

Speaker 3 teach him how to be one of the top in-ring fucking performers in the business today, psychologically

Speaker 3 in the last five years,

Speaker 3 he must be just,

Speaker 3 what's wrong with him? That's what we got to find out. Does he just piss everybody off around him?

Speaker 3 Or is he just incapable of getting the thought process? Because

Speaker 3 I would put, as far as

Speaker 3 young guys in the business, for every attribute that you could possibly have, physically, appearance-wise, performance-wise,

Speaker 3 he and Braun Breaker are it.

Speaker 3 And Braun's where he is, and where the fuck is theory at. So there's got to be,

Speaker 3 I've never met the kid. So

Speaker 3 that's there's got to be something happening that they ain't using him.

Speaker 1 If he was just hurt, or if there was another reason other than you know, him being so bad that they don't want to use him, they use some bad people.

Speaker 1 Would you consider him someone that you would put with Paul Heyman in the vision?

Speaker 3 Well, yes, because that's his tailor-made, except

Speaker 3 he and Braun might

Speaker 3 collide,

Speaker 3 not really professionally, but they might draw attention away from each other. You want to make

Speaker 3 these guys the center of attention of a group, but not just stand on their own at the start. But I'm not saying that Austin Theory has some kind of goddamn,

Speaker 3 you know, criminal history of being a mad arsonist or something of it and can't get into other countries, or is something wrong with him in that respect? I'm saying

Speaker 3 he's either got to be, he ain't getting what they're wanting him to do,

Speaker 3 or he's a heat magnet that just pisses everybody off because even going back when they were still using him,

Speaker 3 Vince loved him and with the egg and all the whole thing.

Speaker 3 But once Vince was gone, they demoted him all the way down the ladder.

Speaker 3 Is it heat with Triple H personally or with a wide circle of people?

Speaker 3 Or is it that, you know, that for some reason he gets that heat?

Speaker 3 But this is a guy that for the past three years, they should have been grooming to be the same thing they're doing with Braun right now, unless there's something

Speaker 3 going on we don't know about. I would love input from anybody who has

Speaker 3 feedback on this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's definitely a long way down from beating John Cena at WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 But Jim, number 17, and I don't even know if you'll have much to say about 16, but number 17,

Speaker 1 28 years old, NXT women's champion, or at least that's one of her accomplishments, Tatum Paxley,

Speaker 1 followed by 16.

Speaker 3 Well, wait a minute. I remember Tatum Paxley in Paper Moon with Ryan O'Neill.

Speaker 1 That was Tatum O'Neal, actually. Oh, very talented, incredibly talented child actress.

Speaker 1 But Tatum Paxley, 28, and followed by JC Jane, 29 years old.

Speaker 1 She has in the past won the women's tag championship in NXT, the TNA Knockouts Championship, the Tag Championship twice, and the Women's Championship.

Speaker 3 Good for her.

Speaker 3 She never gives up.

Speaker 1 At number 15, Jim, 29 years old, former AEW World Trios Champion, three-time Ring of Honor Pure Champion, Wheeler Yuta.

Speaker 3 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 3 I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 When the developmental program was in its infancy, 20-something years ago, we had

Speaker 3 25 guys on the roster at a training school that had a better look, could cut a better promo, had a better physique, was in better

Speaker 3 overall working shape, and could run circles around.

Speaker 3 Wheeler Yuta, I'm sorry, he's every indie guy. It's not, they like him.
He's a nice guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but

Speaker 3 no.

Speaker 3 And at the same point, when Kyle came in, we've talked about him.

Speaker 3 He has gained in size, he's worked on his physique. He's

Speaker 3 even though he's kind of dressing up like a cross between the grand wizard and superstar Billy Graham. He's just all over the place.
At least he'd done something.

Speaker 3 Yuda and Garcia look the same as they did physically, do the same same shit in a ring. Yuda's grown his hair longer.

Speaker 3 And they just, and they've done no work on their presentation.

Speaker 1 Jim at number 14, 27 years old, a former TNT champion and Ring of Honor Peer Champion, Daniel Garcia.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, there you go.

Speaker 1 At number 13, Jim.

Speaker 1 Her accomplishments include an AEW Women's Championship, the Owen Hart Classic winner in 2024, and the NXT Women's North American Champion, which I believe, championship, I should say, which I believe she currently holds.

Speaker 1 27 years old, Blake Monroe.

Speaker 3 That's Mariah May.

Speaker 1 Mariah May.

Speaker 3 Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 She may not hold on to her name. Yes.

Speaker 3 The jury is out on

Speaker 3 if she improves, how quickly she improves now that she's in this system.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 so far, of the other girls on the list,

Speaker 3 I would have Blake Monroe here. Yes.

Speaker 1 At number 12,

Speaker 1 his accomplishment is the Wrestling Observer Rookie of the Year for 2024.

Speaker 3 Oh, Christ.

Speaker 1 Does it have his age here? Hold on.

Speaker 1 Javon Evans.

Speaker 3 Okay, Javon Evans.

Speaker 3 I've said before when we talked about his matches the last few weeks, what I would do with him, I would make him the guy that does the dives over the top to the floor and the crazy shit off the top rope

Speaker 3 so that it would stand out and focus on him and get him to settle down just a little bit. Don't rush.

Speaker 3 Get the maximum effort out of all the shit that he can do.

Speaker 3 But, you know, he's a wonderful

Speaker 3 underdog-type babyface that can do the

Speaker 3 springy things, the bouncy things.

Speaker 1 He is so far the youngest person on this list. So that's another thing.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah. And I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, I talked about the OVW roster early or earlier.

Speaker 3 This would be old for the developmental rosters that we had from 2000, 2001, 2, 3, 4, 5. Everybody talks about the class of 2001.

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ,

Speaker 3 they're either not starting as quick these days or it's taking them longer.

Speaker 1 At number 11,

Speaker 1 two-time AAA mega champion, two-time AAA World Trios champion, and the 2019 Copa Antonio Peña winner,

Speaker 1 28-year-old El Hijo del Vicingo.

Speaker 3 Oh, boy.

Speaker 3 Okay. Well,

Speaker 3 so far, except for Kevin Knight and Blake Monroe, and obviously Austin Theory,

Speaker 3 well, Javon Evans. So we got four, and we're down to the top 12 or whatever.

Speaker 3 These people are all interchangeable because I wouldn't really be particularly interested in any of them.

Speaker 1 At number 10, Jim, 26 years old,

Speaker 1 WWE Women's Championship, NXT Women's Championship, Money in the Bank winner 2024, Tiffany Stratton.

Speaker 3 Tiffany, okay, we got a star there. She's achieved that level.
So, yes, now we got

Speaker 3 one, two, three, four people I'd take. And Kevin Knight, he's got potential.

Speaker 1 At number nine,

Speaker 1 a former AEW TNT champion, a former AEW World Tag Team Champion, and a former FTW champion,

Speaker 1 28 years old, jungle Jack Perry.

Speaker 3 Oh, boy.

Speaker 3 Well, I wonder if he's got a career to fall back on. Didn't somebody say he's making knives now?

Speaker 1 Someone says somebody's a welder, or I don't know what it is. What the hell he does?

Speaker 1 Well, he's had a lot of spare time. I mean, he may do a lot of things.

Speaker 3 Hopefully, he'll pursue that.

Speaker 1 Beyond like all the drama that he caused and everything else, just in terms of his career,

Speaker 1 you know, this list five years ago when he was 23,

Speaker 1 it wouldn't have been unreasonable. Is he better off today than he was then? Has he gained 10 pounds today that he didn't have then?

Speaker 1 So I don't know if he's not.

Speaker 3 He's doing the same thing today with the same tag team partner that he was five years ago. He's He's exactly the same size.

Speaker 3 And now he's just got a bunch of the fans mad at him because

Speaker 3 they blame him for losing the biggest star in the company.

Speaker 1 Jim at number eight, 23 years old, a former WWE women's tag team champion. I think former.
I'm not sure actually. Well, she's held it.

Speaker 1 Also, the NXT Women's Championship on two occasions, the Women's Tag Team Championship in NXT, and, huh, I didn't know this.

Speaker 1 The Ring Ring of Honor World, heavyweight, not heavyweight, the Ring of Honor Women's World Championship.

Speaker 1 23 years old, Roxanne Perez.

Speaker 3 Roxanne.

Speaker 3 You don't have to put on the red line.

Speaker 1 She was the first Ring of Honor Women's Champion. I actually did not know that.

Speaker 3 They ought to, as a rib, they ought to make the women all call it the women's like

Speaker 3 World or Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 3 I would take Roxanne. She's a perky little thing.
So we got one. Do we got six on this list so far that can go somewhere?

Speaker 1 At number seven, 29 years old, three-time TNA Knockouts Champion, TNA Digital Media Championship. Oh, Christ.
And the TNA Knockouts Tag Team Championship. All accomplishments for Jordan Grace.

Speaker 3 Have we we seen her wrestle yet? Did we see her on one show? What

Speaker 1 I believe we saw her in back-to-back Royal Rumbles, and then

Speaker 1 I think she can't. Is she just an NXT?

Speaker 3 I mean, no, she was refereeing. She was the referee in that NXT show we watched here a while back.
I don't know how her work is.

Speaker 3 I know she got a quite of a snit at me when I called her a butterface a number of years ago.

Speaker 3 Well, I also remember I trended on Twitter because I called her a butterface. That's when she was a little, a little chubby.
And then she's got on the sauce and leaned up for the bodybuilding thing.

Speaker 3 She's starting to get that Nicole Bass voice. Because they actually, the fans clip videos and put it side by side up on Twitter.
Where 10 years ago, she sounded like a Cindy Brady.

Speaker 3 Now she sounds like a lurch.

Speaker 1 But I don't,

Speaker 3 I don't know how her work is, so I can't really commentate.

Speaker 1 All right, you rang.

Speaker 1 Jim number six.

Speaker 1 This man is 27 years old. He's held the NXT Championship and the NXT North American Championship.
Obafemi.

Speaker 3 Okay, remember we watched a show a while back. He was on it.

Speaker 3 And I was like, why the fuck is he putting on the Nigerian accent?

Speaker 3 And that killed it for me. But he's got size and charisma and et cetera.
So he's a legitimate

Speaker 3 list maker, I would think. So

Speaker 3 we got seven.

Speaker 1 He is Nigerian, although I think we both saw audio or video of him talking where he did not. Yeah, he's such a pronounced accent.

Speaker 3 He's a putting it on. That's what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Well, Jim, we have now cracked the top five. At number five.

Speaker 3 Cracked is a good word for that.

Speaker 1 Two-time NXT champion, NXT tag team championship title holder, and two-time intercontinental champion, 28 years old, brawn breaker.

Speaker 3 This is not number one.

Speaker 1 Number five.

Speaker 3 What fucking psychedelic drugs are they on over at who is are they drinking the bleach or just reporting on it's bleacher report not bleach report

Speaker 3 what do we what what do bleachers use to bleach with

Speaker 1 bleach what

Speaker 1 those fumes will goddamn affect you say think about that they're they're there all day over a big tub of bleach bleaching things well look obviously uh they see things this way but number five brawn breaker 28 years old

Speaker 1 certainly not someone inhaling bleach,

Speaker 1 and certainly someone who has exhausted Jim's comments about him.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 3 What can I say? Oh, my God, that the taste of his semen

Speaker 3 is remarkable. It's like a caviar.

Speaker 3 I'd love to lick his taint. What else can I say about the fucking guy?

Speaker 1 You know, I could have just said

Speaker 1 comments. I don't know what you just said, but that triggered something.
Jim, number four,

Speaker 1 Former AEW World Champion, former AEW International Champion, former Ring of Honor World Tag Team Champion, and

Speaker 1 five-time Dynamite Diamond Ring winner,

Speaker 1 MJF.

Speaker 3 MJF, he's how old is he now?

Speaker 1 29.

Speaker 3 He just right to see.

Speaker 3 One more year and we can't trust him.

Speaker 3 Never trust anybody over 30, right?

Speaker 1 Well, kids say that. I mean, when you get older, you don't say that.

Speaker 3 Well, I was always told that when I was young. That's why I haven't trusted myself in over 30 years.

Speaker 3 Obviously, MJF belongs on the list, but God bless America. He needs to get the fuck out of there before they just

Speaker 3 grind him to dust. He's a talent that.

Speaker 3 Every time he's off television, I keep hoping

Speaker 3 that something will happen where when he comes back, he can kind of recapture what he had before they just fucking ruined it all.

Speaker 3 But I think it's going to be a new environment at some point, or

Speaker 3 he'll just stay in Hollywood.

Speaker 3 But he's got as good as he's going to get in this company. And it's been a while ago.

Speaker 1 AEW has had his 20s. I'd like to think that WWE more than likely will have his 30s because he's an ambitious guy.
The one thing Tony could do is throw money at him.

Speaker 1 But with WWE, you'll get money if you're a main guy, but also the opportunities that could open up.

Speaker 3 To be as good as you can be, to take a tagline from

Speaker 3 the Marines commercials or whatever they were in the old days. Yeah, there you go.
Well, Air Force Marines, they're all

Speaker 1 recruiting. Part of the

Speaker 1 armed services. But Jim, number three on this list,

Speaker 1 AEW TNT Championship, Ring of Honor Tag Team Championship, Ring of Honor World Television Championship, Kyle Fletcher.

Speaker 3 Okay, have you noticed everybody that works for Tony has had multiple titles in like the last two?

Speaker 3 Kyle definitely deserves to be on this list above Braun Breaker. Well, nobody deserves to be above Braun Breaker.

Speaker 3 I think, honestly, Kyle

Speaker 3 might be in the number two position here right now since Austin Austin Theory is MIA

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 MJF has been booked into insensibility.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that's why it's all the more frustrating to me that Kyle is where he is, because as I've said many times, so I won't belabor it, he's going to learn a lot of stupid things

Speaker 3 that nobody will be there to tell him are stupid. And he's...

Speaker 3 not going to progress like he could if he was around some structure.

Speaker 1 I don't disagree with you, but I do think he may be someone who could learn quickly when he goes to a new place.

Speaker 3 Oh, well, see, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 Quick learners are easier to fuck up.

Speaker 3 Teach them the wrong way to do it, and then it's harder to figure out how to not do it and do the other thing.

Speaker 1 Well, Jim, that was number three. We are now down to the final two.

Speaker 3 I'd like to see the two that are going to top Braun Breaker and Kyle Felcher.

Speaker 1 At number two,

Speaker 1 Intercontinental Championship, NXT North American Championship on two occasions, and SmackDown Tag Team Championship.

Speaker 1 All won by Dominic Mysterio.

Speaker 3 Oh!

Speaker 3 Cinderella story. Out of nowhere.
Dominic is ahead. Dominic's.

Speaker 3 Well, Dominic is ahead of everybody in terms of experience here.

Speaker 3 Braun still has to be number one because he's just generational, but

Speaker 3 Dominic, for his success,

Speaker 3 he's not as talented verbally, maybe even in the ring technically as MJF is, but he's had the booking and he's gotten more and more over instead of less and less over because he's been in the right place.

Speaker 3 And all three of those guys are way ahead of Kyle. So

Speaker 3 Dominic comes in at number two.

Speaker 1 All right, Jim. Well, number one on this list.
And so far, you've said that.

Speaker 3 Who the fuck would that be?

Speaker 1 You have said Braunbreaker would be your number one. 29 years old.

Speaker 1 A raw women's champion, women's world champion on two occasions, NXT women's champion, NXT UK women's champion, AWW World Tag Team Champion, and the winner of the 2023 Royal Rumble,

Speaker 1 Rhea Ripley.

Speaker 3 Rhea!

Speaker 3 Rhea Ripley!

Speaker 3 Okay, as soon as you said women's champion, I was, ah, Jesus Christ, but I forgot that Rhea is still a

Speaker 3 young spring chicken.

Speaker 3 She's still got to be number two

Speaker 3 because Braun is number one, but

Speaker 3 God damn,

Speaker 3 there's no better female wrestler in the world that combines all the tools necessary, the look, the promo, the size.

Speaker 3 the working ability and the psychology that she shows in her matches.

Speaker 3 So she has to be number two only because Braun Breaker is going to be the biggest star in the business over the next three to five years.

Speaker 3 But I'll make them one and two.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interesting too. We've gone over a list like this several times over the last five years, six years.

Speaker 1 And over the last several years,

Speaker 1 MJF and Rhea Ripley are always at the very top.

Speaker 1 And next year, neither of them will be on this list because they'll be 30.

Speaker 1 Siobhan Evans was 21. The other youngest guys were, what? Roxanne Perez was 23.
And then we had a few people who were 26.

Speaker 1 A few years ago, you would have had a younger. I mean, again, same people.
A lot of the same people were on this list. It was a younger list.

Speaker 1 We'll see who comes up next.

Speaker 3 Humor me a second because I wasn't prepared for this and I don't have my, I don't think, reference material. No, maybe I do, but you can help me.
Hold on here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 Here.

Speaker 3 Oh, thank you. We've got 20,

Speaker 3 20 guys and girls that are in their 20s in the entire mainstream wrestling business, right?

Speaker 3 That they've listed here. Right.
I'm just going back to

Speaker 3 a big card in Mid-South wrestling in 1984

Speaker 3 and just a quick glance at,

Speaker 3 I think, almost

Speaker 3 certainly 60% of the goddamn

Speaker 3 card will be in their 20s.

Speaker 3 Let me just pick something. It was the middle of the summer Superdome.

Speaker 3 And you might need to help me out on some of these because this is 1984.

Speaker 3 Robert Gibson was born in 1958.

Speaker 3 So Robert was like 25, 26.

Speaker 3 Ricky Morton,

Speaker 3 this was

Speaker 3 40 years, 41 years ago. So he was only 26, 7.

Speaker 3 The Midnight Express, Dennis Condry was 32.

Speaker 3 Bobby was

Speaker 3 26.

Speaker 3 Hercules Hernandez

Speaker 3 wasn't

Speaker 3 out of his 20s.

Speaker 3 Mr. Wrestling 2 was old enough for two different people, but

Speaker 3 Princess Victoria and Velvet McIntyre and Wendy Richter and Peggy Lee

Speaker 3 shouldn't really count. They weren't regulars, but

Speaker 3 and all that, you know, they were in their 30s or 20s.

Speaker 3 Chris Adams

Speaker 3 was he yet 30 years old.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Garvin was 18 years old in 1973, so he was 29.

Speaker 3 Precious,

Speaker 3 Terry Taylor.

Speaker 3 He was

Speaker 3 mid-20s.

Speaker 1 I just looked that one up. I was blown away to see he's 70 years old now.
He's born in 55.

Speaker 3 Who?

Speaker 3 Really? So he was 29 there.

Speaker 3 Son of a gun.

Speaker 1 Seeing that he's still in his 20s. I just seen that he was 70.

Speaker 1 I guess I just didn't expect that. Wow.

Speaker 3 Well, he started, uh, he turned pro in 77 or 78.

Speaker 3 What about Magnum?

Speaker 1 Uh, let me look up Magnum. Jim Duggan

Speaker 1 turned 30 in 84.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he actually wasn't uh

Speaker 3 he wasn't on his card. This was when he was either

Speaker 3 why wasn't he on that card?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but nevertheless, Magnum was born in 59.

Speaker 3 Okay, Magnum was 25. Ted DiBiase

Speaker 3 Was Teddy in his early 30s by that point?

Speaker 1 J.Y.D. was.
Ted DiBiase was born in 54. He turned 30 in 84.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, depending on what month, he was still only 29. Buddy Landell

Speaker 3 was 24, I think, 25.

Speaker 3 Sonny King, obviously in his 40s. JYD, early 30s.
Butch Reed,

Speaker 3 was he 30 yet?

Speaker 1 Butch returned 30 in July of 1984.

Speaker 3 So this is June, so he's still 29.

Speaker 3 That's the point of a Superdome card. There were three guys out of their 20s, and I was 23.

Speaker 3 No, 22.

Speaker 3 So it, it

Speaker 3 wasn't that unusual back then because guys got started earlier and they got more experience quicker.

Speaker 3 And now this is the cream of the crop of people in their 20s in the entire mainstream business. And most of them are in their late 20s.

Speaker 1 Well, that was our look at wrestlers, the top 20 in their 20s

Speaker 1 here in 2025, the end of 2025. Jim,

Speaker 1 a wrestling fan, may see that list and say, I want to sue.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I'll tell you exactly who to call. He's an old son of a bitch, but he'll get it right because he's got experience.
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Speaker 3 You know, Brian, Steve is, he's decided to continue his practice, even though he reached the retirement age of 65.

Speaker 3 He's going on.

Speaker 3 He'll never quit because he loves representing the poor, the downtrodden, and the disheartened.

Speaker 3 And if you're poor, he's still going to represent you because he'll just get even with the other son of a bitch you're mad at and get money from him. 87750 Steve, the number to call.

Speaker 3 He's old, but he's good.

Speaker 1 He's not that old. I don't know where that came from.
He's normal.

Speaker 3 Oh, he's so old when he was in school, they didn't have history.

Speaker 3 Didn't you hear about his mother? She charged the like brigade.

Speaker 1 All right, can we leave him alone? I don't know why you're picking on him here, but his birth certificate was chiseled into granite. Newlawoffice.com,

Speaker 1 one of those newfangled websites. Jim, let's get a few questions before we get to guest the program.
We'll get more questions next week. We won't have Saturday night's main event to review.

Speaker 1 This one, you don't have to answer. I just want to read it, Hugh, because I got such a kick out of it.
This was sent to CorneyDriveTru at gmail.com from Alex

Speaker 1 in South Korea/slash UK.

Speaker 3 Is he bicoastal or

Speaker 3 whatever the term is for those folks that do those things?

Speaker 1 Apologies if you've addressed this wrestler before,

Speaker 1 but I'd love to hear your opinion on the wrestler, Roscoe Monroe Sputnik Brumbau.

Speaker 1 I recently saw a social media post that says he was labeled a communist for simply standing up for the black community and inviting a black person into the ring with him many decades ago.

Speaker 1 If true, it's great to hear of a wrestler actually doing something progressive rather than the usual toxic antics we hear about. Can you shed any more light on this gentleman?

Speaker 1 Warm regards and thank you to you both.

Speaker 3 Oh boy. Well,

Speaker 3 Order Heroes and Friends at jimcornet.com. There's actually, you know, I can plug the book again because this is kind of answering the question.

Speaker 3 There is a more complete

Speaker 3 and chronological and detailed story of the impact that Sputnik had

Speaker 3 in Memphis, in wrestling, and in the greater civil rights picture, in my story.

Speaker 3 in Heroes and Friends than there is out there most places because most people either concentrate on the story of integrating the Ellis auditorium,

Speaker 3 and most others don't concentrate on

Speaker 3 what Sputnik did and the facts and figures and the opponents and the matches and the things that he did to get the standing in Memphis to be able to be the guy that did these things and how well known he was in the city as a result of all of his antics.

Speaker 3 So I can say that he wasn't called a communist.

Speaker 3 The old lady in Alabama that saw him with the black hitchhiker that he had picked up to help drive for him because he was tired, they walk in the building.

Speaker 3 And the old woman, as the story goes, screams, you're nothing but a damn Sputnik. Because that was the name of the Soviets space program.
We were in the fucking.

Speaker 3 early stages of the space race. Were we going to get there or were the commies going to get there?

Speaker 3 And that's why I said in the book, it's lucky that the space program was on people's minds, or his name could have been Commie Monroe for the rest of his life. But that was that story.
And

Speaker 3 I urge you to pick up the book for all the rest of them in more detail. And

Speaker 3 what did he say his name was? Elvis Rock Monroe Brumbaugh Sputnik. How did he phrase it?

Speaker 1 I'd love to hear your opinion on the wrestler. Roscoe Monroe, Sputnik, Brumbaugh.

Speaker 3 Roscoe Monroe Brumbaugh was his actual real name, government name, as the kids say.

Speaker 3 And he had been working in Alabama as Elvis Rock Monroe. He'd worked as Rock Monroe and etc.
And then

Speaker 3 when he picked up the Sputnik tag and brought that to Memphis, and then

Speaker 3 that was the end of it from there. But Brad, one more factoid, and we'll move on.

Speaker 3 But Sputnik Monroe drew the two largest wrestling crowds in the history of the city of Memphis, Tennessee, both in the same month in 1959.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 as I mentioned in the book,

Speaker 3 wrestling was for a variety of reasons, which I won't go into here. Wrestling was pretty much dead in Memphis and had been for a few years.
And as Buddy Wayne told me 25 years later,

Speaker 3 flat out, he said the business in Memphis was dead and Sputnik Monroe saved it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Elvis Monroe would have worked.

Speaker 3 No, well, it might have got heat in Memphis, but I don't know if he would have.

Speaker 3 He probably wouldn't have got to hang out with Sam Phillips' kids if he'd ripped off Elvis in Memphis.

Speaker 1 Dad, you know how you were talking about selling Elvis to RCA?

Speaker 1 You got a new Elvis.

Speaker 1 All right, Jim. Our next question was sent to CorneyDriveThru at gmail.com.
From Zach,

Speaker 1 what was the process like for the call-ups of Cena, Brock, Batista, and Orton? Did you have any influence in the decision to bring them to the main roster?

Speaker 1 And did you expect them to stand out amongst the other OVW call-outs? Call-ups, not call-outs, call-ups.

Speaker 3 Now we're calling you out to high noon there, baby.

Speaker 3 That was when Jim Ross was still the vice president of talent relations, and therefore we had a good relationship with the office, and we got information, and there was information shared. And

Speaker 3 the call-ups for

Speaker 3 everybody was somewhat different, but well, and with Brock, right off the bat, he didn't actually come straight from OVW because that's when

Speaker 3 I mentioned he just, Brock is just an always has been. He says he doesn't like people.
He doesn't want to, he lives in Saskatoon somewhere on a farm with the cows and the llamas, whatever.

Speaker 3 It was saved that he didn't want to be in Louisville.

Speaker 3 And he whined and griped to the office that his girlfriend in Minnesota was pregnant and got to leave the program about six months early and go train with Brad Reynolds in a fucking barn.

Speaker 3 But at least he was, you know, home, right?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 that was the call-up

Speaker 3 process there. And to be honest, since I've said before, I knew Brock was going to get over his.
It looked, he's a modern-day dick the bruiser.

Speaker 3 And he's, you know, a freak athlete. But I was unimpressed with the effort that he gave in developmental.
And so I didn't mind losing him.

Speaker 3 He wasn't a linchpin of something that was going to screw my shows up if he was gone.

Speaker 3 So he was still working out and checking in with the office and,

Speaker 3 you know, when he was in Minnesota, and then they started bringing him over for the dark matches or whatever.

Speaker 3 With who else was on the list? Cena, Orton. And Batista.
Who else did you say? Batista.

Speaker 3 With Cena and Orton, they did have them coming up to TVs for dark matches and different things. And

Speaker 3 I think Orton's first appearance on TV, though, was like an extra in a bar fight they did at a SmackDown in Louisville. But that was what he had just started in OVW.

Speaker 3 But then, you know, we would coordinate

Speaker 3 and we would know when guys were being called up or at least taking the next step by going to the dark matches.

Speaker 3 And obviously, they would miss some classes, but they'd be on the road learning there.

Speaker 3 So that was easy. And that was kind of the

Speaker 3 absorption period where Cena Norton and with Batista,

Speaker 3 I don't think they did that many dark matches with him. I could be wrong, but that was the, look at the fucking, look at the fuck that.
Look at the sight of him.

Speaker 3 You had, that's why I was trying to explain to him and always tried to explain to him.

Speaker 3 He couldn't be taking arm drags in the second match as just some guy on the show. Because look at him.
Then

Speaker 3 he overshadowed everybody physically. He could stand next to Kane

Speaker 3 and you'd go, geez, Glenn needs to do a little working out.

Speaker 3 So he needed to be, and then they botched it completely in that they made him Devon Dudley's fucking assistant when Devon was a preacher or a deacon or whatever the fuck he was.

Speaker 3 And that clown outfit, they put Batista in, covered up his body until he started working out with Triple H.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 that allowed him to get in. But

Speaker 3 they almost botched it, but in the end, it worked out. But I truthfully,

Speaker 3 I don't remember them taking him on the road for a variety of dark matches, but I remember them giving me a firm date on him that he was finishing up because

Speaker 3 I think he did his only job that he had done in OVW

Speaker 3 to John Cena before he left.

Speaker 1 Did you ever think they would bring him up as Leviathan?

Speaker 3 Well, when I first did the gimmick, I thought, well, let's see what the fuck.

Speaker 3 I honestly,

Speaker 3 it would have been better than what they did.

Speaker 3 He might have eventually become Batista, but it would have been better than the fucking guy with armless,

Speaker 3 an armless tuxedo jacket and a collection box around his neck.

Speaker 3 But again.

Speaker 3 But it's the same thing we did with

Speaker 3 Glenn Kane was unabombed.

Speaker 3 Same goddamn gist, big masked guy.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I was creating opponents for the monsters they already had.

Speaker 3 And with Leviathan,

Speaker 3 if you're saying, okay, we got Undertaker versus Kane, we got Kane versus Big Show, we've got Big Show versus Undertaker, you throw Leviathan into the mix, and then you've got four giant monsters, and you've got,

Speaker 3 what's the math, 16 combinations or whatever the fuck it is, of guys that all

Speaker 3 have completely different personalities, gimmicks, and looks, but

Speaker 3 are the movie monster type that you can do those matches with.

Speaker 3 And as I've said before, I knew Batista wasn't going to have a long career because he was already a bit older. He was almost 30.
He may have been over 30 when he started with us, maybe 31 or 32.

Speaker 3 Injury-prone and not a natural. So, let's

Speaker 3 get something out of this. Give him a gimmick.

Speaker 3 All right, John. And remember, we've also worked out

Speaker 3 that his active WWE career, active pro wrestling career, when you took out injury time, lasted less than six years.

Speaker 3 So I was kind of right about that, too.

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Speaker 1 All right, Jim, as I said earlier, more questions next week, we promise. But why don't we wrap things up with some guest the program?

Speaker 1 A very popular segment here on the show. Are you up for it?

Speaker 3 Where I, in my borderline mystical way, will determine

Speaker 3 the year and the location of the card that you mentioned without ever knowing that ahead of time, because I'm like that.

Speaker 1 How do you feel today? You feel like you're up for the task?

Speaker 3 I'm feeling pretty good. I didn't do too bad.
I nailed one a couple of times ago. I'm not doing too bad last time.
I'm feeling confident.

Speaker 3 Give it two out of three. I'm going to get two out of three right off the bat.

Speaker 1 Well, we have more than three here, but let's get to it. I'm just saying,

Speaker 3 I'm going to predict I'm going to get two out of three.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to go from main event on down for this card. The main event is a tag team match, or it's actually a triple main event now that I look, but a tag team match.

Speaker 1 Best two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 The Donovan Brothers, Red and Doug,

Speaker 1 versus Greg Peterson and Larry Shane.

Speaker 1 Jesus. There'll be an intermission with lucky numbers announced.
Best two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit. Tex Riley vs.
Billy Wicks.

Speaker 3 Oh, boy. Okay.

Speaker 1 One other outstanding match, one of the Donovan brothers will tangle with Greg Peterson or Larry Shane in the bout. It will be announced at Ringside.

Speaker 3 Well, the natural inclination

Speaker 3 is for this to be Memphis, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 There is an element. of possibility that you would throw in, considering Greg Peterson and

Speaker 3 Larry Shane and potentially Billy Wicks, that you would throw in something from Mobile, Alabama.

Speaker 3 But I don't know that that would be likely.

Speaker 3 Doug Donovan

Speaker 3 later on became one of the Von Brauners, did he not?

Speaker 1 You would know better than I.

Speaker 3 And obviously, Tex Riley, a longtime Tennessee babyface hero, Billy Wicks, the guy that Sputnik Monroe drew those two record houses that we talked about earlier against in Memphis.

Speaker 3 But Tex Riley against Billy Wicks, if this was Memphis, they would both be babyfaces. But was this a tournament match, possibly?

Speaker 3 I'm going to say,

Speaker 3 you son of a bitch.

Speaker 3 Mobile, Alabama, 1958.

Speaker 1 You know, I guess because you've lost so much weight, you can't really go with your gut as much as you used to. Memphis, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 God damn it.

Speaker 1 Monday night, March 9th, 1959.

Speaker 3 See, I knew that Wicks was in Mobile in 58. Why was Tex Riley wrestling Billy Wicks?

Speaker 1 Sputnik Monroe will return here next Monday Monday and has demanded a championship match with Jesse James or Billy Wicks, both holders of sectional titles.

Speaker 1 Beat a wrestler, win $100 or $1 per minute in ring.

Speaker 1 Promoter Buddy Fuller announced this week that any of the spectators who wish to challenge a wrestler may do so.

Speaker 1 The spectator will be paid $1 for every minute he could stay with the wrestler or $100 if he wins.

Speaker 1 Well, that's a dangerous stipulation. No,

Speaker 3 the Fullers used to love that shit. That was an old trick to

Speaker 3 basically get some goddamn credibility for the business. And remember, this, they were just getting to the hot period.
Sputnik had just gotten there in December. And they were starting to draw crowds.

Speaker 3 But they had been on their ass for the previous year and a half. So

Speaker 3 Buddy Fuller loved to do shit like that. It would get interest, it would get cause talk, and it would get credibility for the wrestling business.
And they would pick whoever on the card that was the

Speaker 3 legitimate guy

Speaker 3 against whatever fuck, no

Speaker 3 college wrestling standout usually.

Speaker 3 usually

Speaker 3 was going to fucking show up on one of these things. But remember, that's how

Speaker 3 in Columbus, Georgia, Tim Woods lost half of one of his fingers.

Speaker 3 Fucking soldier from the, what is the army base down there near Columbus, Georgia, Fort Fuck of whatever.

Speaker 3 He got up there and they were supposed to just wrestle,

Speaker 3 but he started being a goddamn smartass, apparently. And Woods started to hook him and got his finger close enough to the guy's mouth.
The guy bit half of Woods' finger off.

Speaker 3 And then apparently, Woods went to town on him and many of his service buddies were there, and it created a scene.

Speaker 3 So that was, this was 1959 in Memphis. That was somewhere in the late 60s, I think, in Columbus, Georgia, maybe early 70s.
So by that point,

Speaker 3 they had kind of given up doing shit like that.

Speaker 1 All right, Jim, let's go to the what it says here: BNS kosher-style restaurant and delicatessen, finest corned beef and cabbage, bakery sandwiches, and complete dinner. Kosher style.

Speaker 1 So they don't want to pay the rabbi. That's what that means.
Not kosher, but kosher style. Jim, let's go to this next one here.

Speaker 1 Here we go. This is

Speaker 1 an interesting one.

Speaker 1 The card.

Speaker 1 There are six main events on this card.

Speaker 1 The first main event.

Speaker 3 Does it actually say that? Six big main events.

Speaker 1 No, it says first main event, second main event, third main event, fourth and so on and so forth. The first main event, Dick Hutton versus Steve Stanley, one fall 20-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 The second main event, Buddy Rogers versus Ilio DiPaolo,

Speaker 1 one fall 20-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 The third main event, Yukon Eric versus Sky High Lee.

Speaker 3 They weren't kidding.

Speaker 1 One fall 20-minute time limit.

Speaker 3 Main events.

Speaker 1 Fourth main event, Vern Gagne versus Wilbur Snyder. Christ.
One fall 30-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 The fifth main event, Whipper Billy Watson

Speaker 1 versus Swede Carlson.

Speaker 1 One fall 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 And finally, the sixth main event, one fall to a finish.

Speaker 1 Lou Thes

Speaker 1 versus Baron Gattoni.

Speaker 3 Good Lord. Okay.

Speaker 3 Where do we start? I mean, I thought there was a promotional rib from a hyperbolic booker, but

Speaker 3 Dick Hutton was the guy who would succeed

Speaker 3 Thez as NWA champion in the late 50s, but not succeed as champion.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, Steve Stanley was one of the top heels in the country at one point in time in the mid-50s. Buddy Rogers, I don't need to go any further.

Speaker 3 Elio DiPaulo was a legend in Buffalo, New York, and in the Northeast had a restaurant. Yukon Eric, one of the top babyface attractions in the business in the late 50s.

Speaker 3 And the guy that killer Kowowski,

Speaker 3 his knee-dropped potatoed Yukon Eric's cauliflower ear off,

Speaker 3 Sky High Lee,

Speaker 3 one of the early giants in the business,

Speaker 3 this was probably late in his career because he started in the late 30s, was already a name in California in the early 40s.

Speaker 3 Ganyon Snyder

Speaker 3 would have been the

Speaker 3 hot

Speaker 3 United States heavyweight title program or close to between two of the greatest scientific wrestlers of the mid-50s off the Chicago TV.

Speaker 3 Whipper Billy Watson,

Speaker 3 former NWA champion, and what is he number

Speaker 3 is he number two or number three on the all-time Canadian draw list

Speaker 3 with the chic and

Speaker 3 Jacques Rougeau Sr., maybe.

Speaker 3 Poor Swede Carlson's a job guy in this mix.

Speaker 3 And then Thes against Baron Gattoni, who again was kind of a

Speaker 3 kind of a Baron Leone offshoot that

Speaker 3 was a top heel in the mid-50s. This,

Speaker 3 goddamn,

Speaker 3 I got the vibe that it should be in this is in the northeast somewhere.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 at the same time, as it might be a wonderful

Speaker 3 Chicago International Amphitheater card at some point,

Speaker 3 I don't see all those names there, all these names there at the same time.

Speaker 3 Could this have been

Speaker 3 Hutton, in a preliminary like that, because he didn't last long in the business after he lost the NWA title.

Speaker 3 And Rodgers against Elio DiPaolo with Fez on top

Speaker 3 indicates that this is, I think it's

Speaker 3 and Ganya Snyder, it's the mid-50s.

Speaker 3 Why do I think of Buffalo, Montreal, or Toronto?

Speaker 1 Is it the food?

Speaker 3 It could be the gas I got from the food. And

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ, this is tough because this is some kind of mega card that some promoter is putting on that wants to prove a point.

Speaker 3 Buffalo, New York, the War Memorial Auditorium, 1956.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 The parade of champions,

Speaker 1 Wednesday, November 21st,

Speaker 1 1956,

Speaker 1 the Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York. Boom!

Speaker 1 Wow. Boom.

Speaker 1 I thought you would trip up on this. That's so impressive.

Speaker 1 All right, man. Boom!

Speaker 3 Because I knew they were out of the Midwest because of DePaulo and...

Speaker 3 Gatoni and Billy Watson and Elio DePaulo being on the show against Buddy Rogers. It just stuck in my head and I couldn't get away from it.
So, okay, I'm one and one, baby.

Speaker 1 All right, I know you're excited. Stop beating up the desk.
But Jim, let's get back to this next card here.

Speaker 1 The first match, one fall, 30-minute time limit. Billy Goals

Speaker 1 versus Gino Angelo.

Speaker 1 The semifinal, two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 Gypsy Joe.

Speaker 1 Versus Kurt Stenke.

Speaker 1 And the main event. and it appears to be: I will give you what's listed, and I'll give you the corrections that were put in.

Speaker 1 What's listed is the Volkoff Brothers versus Angelo Pafo and Hans Schmidt, two out of three fall 60-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 What's written in for the Volkoff brothers are the Gilbert Brothers,

Speaker 1 and what's written in for Hans Schmidt is Bronco Lubich.

Speaker 3 Well, the Gilbert Brothers was that,

Speaker 3 oh, goddamn, was it

Speaker 3 Doug and Johnny?

Speaker 1 I'm actually not sure.

Speaker 3 Why am I

Speaker 3 Johnny Gilbert? Maybe a game show announcer.

Speaker 3 The Volkoffs was the original.

Speaker 1 That's the guy from Jeopardy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 The Volkoffs, the original Nikolai Volkoff, right? And his brother Boris.

Speaker 1 I believe so.

Speaker 3 Gypsy Joe was not the Tennessee Gypsy Joe that wrestled well into his elderly years, but the Chicago Gypsy Joe.

Speaker 3 Billy Gells is

Speaker 3 a journeyman that was wrestling in the 50s in the Midwest. Gino Angelo,

Speaker 3 did he work as the brother of Martino Angelo or was he just using the name?

Speaker 3 And obviously, Angelo Pafo, the

Speaker 3 father of Randy Savage and Lanny Paffo, and Hans Schmidt, even though he wasn't there, was the top German heel of the early 50s off the Chicago TV,

Speaker 3 the first German heel after the war. And Bronco Lubich would later on be the kindly old referee and world class, but he would,

Speaker 3 in between his wrestling days and his refereeing days, he was a manager.

Speaker 3 Having said all that, because this is a three-match card,

Speaker 3 I think it is somewhere in the Chicagoland area, not the International Amphitheater, but something like: is it

Speaker 3 one of the smaller clubs around, the Rainbow Arena or

Speaker 3 whatever, so marigold.

Speaker 3 As far as a year, I'm going to say

Speaker 3 1957, somewhere. No, no, no, no,

Speaker 3 1956, somewhere in the suburbs of downtown Chicago.

Speaker 1 The date?

Speaker 1 Tuesday, December 16th, 1958.

Speaker 1 Ah!

Speaker 1 The promoter, Balk Estes,

Speaker 1 the Hammond Civic Center, Hammond, Indiana.

Speaker 3 Hammond, Indiana. There you go.
I'm still correct because that's 40 fucking miles.

Speaker 1 All right, Jim.

Speaker 3 I got the place I missed the year. So that's one and a half out of three.
I'm tied.

Speaker 1 All right. This next one here, Jim.

Speaker 1 A special lights out match. Terry Garvin versus TG Stone.

Speaker 1 The Mongo

Speaker 1 and Hacksaw Higgins.

Speaker 3 The waiter with the what? The who?

Speaker 1 The Mongo.

Speaker 3 The Mongo, not Mongo.

Speaker 3 Nope.

Speaker 1 It says Mongo.

Speaker 1 Okay, Mongo.

Speaker 1 And there's an article here that also calls him Mongo, so it's the Mongo.

Speaker 1 And Hacksaw Higgins versus Jim Gorman and Tug Taylor.

Speaker 3 Oh, you motherfucker.

Speaker 1 The Ox. I don't know what caused that.
The Ox

Speaker 1 versus Crazy Luke Graham.

Speaker 1 The Grapplers.

Speaker 1 Versus Janetti and Rodgers.

Speaker 1 And finally, the main event for a title I won't name, the champion Buzz Tyler versus the challenger, Ted DiBiase.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, we perked up a little bit.

Speaker 3 The Mongo, I've got no earthly clue. Hacksaw Higgins was Larry Higgins

Speaker 3 and spent a little time.

Speaker 3 He was in Mid-South for a brief period of time in 84. Jim Gorman has been lost time.
Tug Taylor was Tugboat Taylor, who was based out of Texas for years and years. His son was a wrestler.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know what? I missed the match. I apologize.
Give me another one. Another title match: the champion Gypsy Joe versus David Peterson.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And this Gypsy Joe is the Tennessee Gypsy Joe.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 the Ox versus Luke Graham, is this Ox Baker?

Speaker 3 Or can you tell? Or are there any pictures? I don't

Speaker 3 think that it would be, but

Speaker 3 just in case.

Speaker 1 There are no pictures that say or that show it. And I don't see any pictures that say or there's nothing in here that indicates it's Oxford.

Speaker 3 Yes, nothing indicates that.

Speaker 3 So Luke Graham, this was maybe the last

Speaker 3 year or so of his full-time career. He worked.

Speaker 3 some indies in Georgia because he was from Georgia after this.

Speaker 3 The thing that really tells you is the grapplers, Janeti and Rogers.

Speaker 3 Is that Tommy Rogers?

Speaker 3 Jannettian Rogers?

Speaker 1 It is Tommy Rogers, but not the famous Tommy Rogers, I don't believe. It's the

Speaker 3 okay. Grappler and Buzz Tyler and Ted DiBiase

Speaker 3 were in the central states.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 my

Speaker 3 only

Speaker 3 problem

Speaker 3 is trying to figure out the grapplers had gotten together, Tony Anthony and Lynn Denton. The first time they got together was in Tennessee, and that was in 83.

Speaker 3 They were not a team before that.

Speaker 3 So I'm thinking

Speaker 3 that this is Kansas City, Missouri.

Speaker 3 And again, with Buzz Tyler, I'm thinking it's late 1983 or early 1984 in Kansas City.

Speaker 1 The date:

Speaker 1 Thursday, August 23rd, 1984,

Speaker 1 Memorial Hall, Kansas City, Kansas.

Speaker 3 Okay, I was a few months off.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to give you, before we wrap things up with a couple that may be a little more difficult, I'll give you an easy one. Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 The opening contest: Jay Youngblood versus Maddie Suzuki.

Speaker 1 Rocky Montero versus the Alaskan.

Speaker 1 Tony Russo

Speaker 1 vs. Playboy Buddy Rose.

Speaker 1 And the final preliminary, Ricky Hunter vs. Sergeant LeBoff.

Speaker 1 A special...

Speaker 3 That's LeBoff to you.

Speaker 1 A special tag team match.

Speaker 1 Tommy Samoa and Dutch Savage

Speaker 1 vs. Apache Bull Ramos and Jesse the Great Ventura.

Speaker 1 And the main event

Speaker 1 for a title I won't name:

Speaker 1 Terry Funk, the champion, versus Jimmy Snooker.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm going to tell you, Jay Youngblood, everybody knows he was the one of the Youngblood family who

Speaker 3 He was most famous for teaming with Ricky Steamboat. In that team, Maddie Suzuki was an Asian

Speaker 3 heel for years in a variety of places.

Speaker 3 The Alaskan, who knows, it could have been Jay York, it could have been Mike York, it could have been Frank Monty.

Speaker 3 Buddy Rose is a tip off on where we are.

Speaker 3 And so is Dutch Savage.

Speaker 3 Bull Ramos and Jesse Ventura, all well known in the Portland Don Owens territory, but of course, none better than Jimmy Snuka, who this was probably,

Speaker 3 would he have gotten a shot at the NWA world title, Snooka, before this? Maybe in Dallas, or was that

Speaker 3 this was before Dallas, right?

Speaker 3 Well, you can't tell. I'm not allowed to help you.
You're not allowed to say. I don't know who Tommy Samoa was.
Was that Coco Samoa?

Speaker 1 One would.

Speaker 1 I actually don't. I'm not sure.
I don't think so based on the picture in here, but I'm not certain, but I don't think so.

Speaker 3 Well, we're in Portland, Oregon. we know that much.
And I'm going to divine the year by a very

Speaker 3 strange method.

Speaker 3 Soldier LeBoe.

Speaker 3 The reason why that he was Soldier LeBoe is because he was part of the Legionnaires

Speaker 3 in Indianapolis when they were the WWA tag team champions for Dick the Bruiser in 1975.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 LeBoe, who was the

Speaker 3 later on would work as the Russian stomper,

Speaker 3 and goddamn, what was he? He was French-Canadian, but he replaced Don Fargo as Jacques Goulet, Sergeant Jacques Goulet's tag partner, when Fargo

Speaker 3 did another one of the things Fargo usually does and left in the middle of the run.

Speaker 3 And Soldier LeBoeuf came in to replace Private Fargo.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 by November November 76,

Speaker 3 Soldier LaBeouf was working as the Russian stomper in the Gulis territory in Tennessee.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 since Terry Funk won the NWA title in December of 1975 and lost it in February of 1977,

Speaker 3 I'm saying we're in Portland, Oregon in 1976.

Speaker 1 Jim, the Portland Sports Arena,

Speaker 1 Don Owen Owen presents October 16th, 1976.

Speaker 1 And it was indeed an NWA World Title match for Jimmy Snooker.

Speaker 3 Boom!

Speaker 1 And it's

Speaker 1 a bicentennial imagery here on this page.

Speaker 1 All right, Jim.

Speaker 1 This one's really tough. I'll give it to you last.

Speaker 1 First preliminary, Don Arnold vs. K.O.
Murphy. One fall 15-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 Beat the champ, one fall, 15 minutes. Sandar Zabo versus Wilbur Snyder.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 A special attraction, one fall to a finish. Sky High Lee versus Pat Fraley.

Speaker 1 Intermission match.

Speaker 1 Whatever that means.

Speaker 1 During the intermission?

Speaker 3 Get up and goddamn go piss and get your popcorn. This thing's going to suck.

Speaker 1 One fall 15 minutes.

Speaker 1 Barney Bernard versus Vic Christie.

Speaker 3 The chest. Barney the chest Bernard.

Speaker 1 The semifinal event: best two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit.

Speaker 1 Leo Garibaldi versus Jungle Boy.

Speaker 3 You didn't know Perry was that old, did you?

Speaker 1 And the main event, best two out of three falls, one-hour time limit.

Speaker 1 Nikki Bockwinkle versus Billy Varga.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, we are in either Los Angeles or Hollywood, however you want to describe it, depending on the venue. And I'm pretty sure it's going to be Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 Sandor Zabo was a big name in the business in the 40s and 50s and

Speaker 3 finished his career in the Southern California area, as I recall. Wilbur Snyder,

Speaker 3 after he got over on the Chicago television, spent,

Speaker 3 I think, a couple of years in the Southern California territory and was a major name. And the beat the champ title was

Speaker 3 one of the championships that they had in the territory. Sky High Lee, we just talked about, one of the first giants.
And

Speaker 3 again, he had been around. I have programs of him in the Southern California Territory in the early 40s.

Speaker 3 Vic Christie was the brother of Ted Christie, the Christie brothers, not only a

Speaker 3 babyface tag team, but notorious Ribbers inside the business. Barney the Chest Bernard, hence because he had the

Speaker 3 big chest expansion.

Speaker 3 And Leo Garibaldi and Count Billy Varga.

Speaker 3 Two Southern California mainstays. Billy Varga is on a ton of 60s TV shows, situation comedies.
He was on the Munsters.

Speaker 3 If they needed a wrestler or a referee of some kind,

Speaker 3 chances are it was Billy Varga.

Speaker 3 And of course, Nikki Bockwinkle

Speaker 3 was

Speaker 3 a mere pup back in these days and had just started, but he was the son of Warren Bockwinkle

Speaker 3 and was always billed as a native of Woodland Hills, California. So

Speaker 3 we're at the Olympic Olympic Auditorium. The problem is, what year?

Speaker 3 And I've got to think

Speaker 3 just to pick one out of three, it's somewhere between 1955 and 1957. So I'll say 1956.

Speaker 1 Jim, it's the Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, March 15th, 1957.

Speaker 3 Ah, shit.

Speaker 1 Welcome home, Leo Garibaldi.

Speaker 1 This popular member of the wrestling Garibaldi clan will be making his first appearance at the Olympic Auditorium tonight after being discharged from the U.S. Air Force.

Speaker 1 So there's this program.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll give you this one. This one may be quick.

Speaker 1 Billy Parks vs. Indian War Cloud.

Speaker 1 Coach John Heath v. Don Hartnett

Speaker 1 Crusher Swede Carlson v. Paul Adam

Speaker 1 Ray Villmer v. Tiger Joe Tommaso

Speaker 1 and the main event for a tag title I will not name

Speaker 1 Kurt and Carl von Brauner accompanied by their manager Gentleman Saul Weingroff, the tag team champions vs. Ramon and Alberto Torres.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, Indian War Cloud and Billy Parks give me no help at all, as did John Heath's opponent. What was his name?

Speaker 1 It is Coach John Heath versus Don Hartnett.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and Paul Adam. I don't know.

Speaker 3 John Heath, which led me down the path of Florida,

Speaker 3 was Coach John Heath, who was later on

Speaker 3 an integral part of the Florida Championship Wrestling Office. He did some commentary, but he ran some local towns.
He was an amateur wrestling

Speaker 3 advocate and coach, you know, in the state of Florida. Swede Carlson, Traveling Heel, he was on another one of these cards.
As a matter of fact, who the fuck was

Speaker 3 on the other card?

Speaker 3 he was on that big show in Buffalo in 56.

Speaker 3 Ray Villmer is another journeyman that was a name recognized in the 50s and into the 60s. Tiger Tommaso

Speaker 3 was one of the assassins that Bobby Heenan broke into business managing.

Speaker 3 And then Raymond and Alberto Torres, along with their brother Enrique Torres,

Speaker 3 were huge faces

Speaker 3 all over the South. And

Speaker 3 Enrique Torres had a big run in Southern California also.

Speaker 1 As a world champion.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And the Von Brauners and Saul were together from 1959 till 1973. So that narrows this down a bit.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 because the Torres brothers were big in Georgia, I wanted to say Georgia, but with John Heath on the card,

Speaker 3 I'm thinking we're in Florida. And the Von Brauners

Speaker 3 in 1960, 61, 62, that window of time,

Speaker 3 were the dominant heel tag team down in Florida.

Speaker 3 And they worked a lot of deals with Eddie Graham, who was just

Speaker 3 getting over as a talent at that same time and getting into the office.

Speaker 3 We're in Tampa, 1961.

Speaker 1 Jim, the promoter, Al Ritchie.

Speaker 3 Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 We are in Miami, Florida.

Speaker 3 Son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 Tuesday, January 14th, 1964.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 This is the new era.

Speaker 1 Tonight marks the beginning of a new era in the Florida wrestling industry.

Speaker 1 An entire new promotional group, including Miami promoter Al Ritchie, will strive to bring you the finest and wrestling talent available anywhere in the United States.

Speaker 1 So this is not Eddie Graham's office.

Speaker 3 Son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 I guess it wasn't even Eddie Graham's yet in 64, was it?

Speaker 3 Well, but now the question is,

Speaker 3 Johnny,

Speaker 3 was this when the Florida office was forming?

Speaker 1 here in the near future? Bruno San Martino, Worldwide Wrestling Federation champion, watch all newspaper advertising.

Speaker 3 Okay, bullshit.

Speaker 1 Gentlemen, Saul Weingroff for president. All right, let's uh let's go to one last let's end on a difficult one just because you have had too much of an easy time lately.

Speaker 1 You're doing too well with ones that should be tough.

Speaker 1 This one, Jim, removing from a board.

Speaker 1 The first event?

Speaker 1 Question mark.

Speaker 1 The semifinal.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 The semifinal?

Speaker 1 Question mark.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 1 And finally, the main event.

Speaker 1 A question mark.

Speaker 1 This will be an extra Wrestle Royal.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys accident, and I believe it's Cowboy, yeah, right here. We are sorry to tell you, but Cowboy Lattrell has been injured in an automobile accident and cannot be here tonight.

Speaker 1 We do not know how badly he was hurt. The last report we heard was that he was bruised and badly shaken up, and the doctors say some of his ribs may be broken.

Speaker 1 Even though there are times when we wouldn't care if Cowboy did get his ornery neck twisted in the ring,

Speaker 1 we hope he will be all right, and I'm sure we would all like to see him again soon.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys accident knocked our main event for a loop.

Speaker 1 So the promoter, I will not name, put together something they think the fans will like: a wrestle royal with six wrestlers and the referee in the ring.

Speaker 3 An order of elimination determines the next three matches.

Speaker 1 And the six wrestlers:

Speaker 1 Jim Clintock,

Speaker 1 Gordon McKenzie,

Speaker 1 Elmer Estep,

Speaker 1 Ray Eckert,

Speaker 1 Bill Bartush,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Wendy Black.

Speaker 3 How is that? How is Wendy spelled?

Speaker 1 It's spelled the way you would think it would be spelled. That's why I'm looking.
There's no pictures. There's just lots of question marks.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And that was Jim Clintstock, not Jay Clintstock, right?

Speaker 1 Jim, that is correct.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Jay Clenstock

Speaker 3 was a Native American descent wrestler that got killed in a dispute in a dentist's office in North Carolina in the late 40s.

Speaker 3 I have the newspaper clippings.

Speaker 3 Ray Eckert is probably the biggest name of any lasting

Speaker 3 legacy on this show. He was a top babyface that traveled around various places through the probably mid-40s to the late 50s, early 60s.
Elmer Estep

Speaker 3 was a name.

Speaker 3 Billy Bartish was a name. Cowboy Lutrell

Speaker 3 was

Speaker 3 the biggest name of this whole thing who was hurt. But since he was later on,

Speaker 3 I mean, Luttrell was promoter at one point. I believe he promoted Chattanooga, Tennessee for a period of time, and he promoted

Speaker 3 in a variety of different places, but he was the guy that eventually Eddie Graham took over from in Florida

Speaker 3 in the 60s.

Speaker 3 But if he was wrestling at this point,

Speaker 3 this has got to be in the 40s.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 there's almost no way to determine

Speaker 3 where this could be.

Speaker 3 And really,

Speaker 3 a year on top of that. So now that I've admitted defeat in most every way, tell me the promoter and then see how close I can come to the goddamn location.

Speaker 1 It just says Mr. Terry.

Speaker 3 Mr. Terry is the promoter.

Speaker 1 Mr. Terry is the promoter.

Speaker 3 You sure it's not Miss Tari?

Speaker 1 Let me see if there's anything else that says anything about the promoter beyond Mr. Terry.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's jokes in this program. The tramp says, Would you please help a poor man whose wife is out of work?

Speaker 1 Before marriage, bushels of kisses. After marriage, a few measly pecks.

Speaker 1 Truth.

Speaker 3 Well, that's because of the measly pecker, though.

Speaker 1 Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again. The eternal years of God are hers.

Speaker 1 But error

Speaker 1 rises in pain and dies among his worships.

Speaker 3 What are you fucking saying?

Speaker 1 These are the things that randomly appear in this program. I can't find the promoter's name beyond Mr.
Terry.

Speaker 3 All right,

Speaker 3 I have no idea what the fuck's going on here. It's the first one I've ever had to throw up my hands and not even make a guess.
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 1 Jim, the date, October 24th, 1939.

Speaker 3 Jesus.

Speaker 1 The Roanoke Auditorium, Roanoke, Virginia.

Speaker 3 Good Lord.

Speaker 3 Roanoke, Virginia. One of my old hometowns.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, there's, yeah, that's

Speaker 3 something.

Speaker 1 Well, there it is. Guess the program.
You know, I really do love the fact that we hear from a lot of listeners who say, I don't know any of these people you guys are talking about.

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