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Hello again, friends,

and you are our friends.

Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru.

A big edition this week.

We're talking Wrestle Dream,

Tony Khan's tribute to Antonio Inoki.

So we're here with Corny Dream, our tribute to Antonio Inoki.

There we go.

The batteries work.

Oh, this thing's stuck.

There we go.

I'm your host, the great Brian Last.

We'll see how stuck we get today.

A big show with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornet, Mr.

Jim Cornette.

Clowns to the left of me and cosplayers to the right.

And here I am stuck in the middle with you, Brian.

Boy, that one,

what you did there was you crossed over that bridge like you were skipping as it was collapsing underneath you.

Sort of like a flat rock skipping over the lake.

Beep, beep, beep, and got by with it.

You were way off there, pal.

way off.

It was way off

from the start there when you hit the bomb tone instead of the beep tone.

And then

holy mac.

I messed up a few times today.

See, a lot of it's just because of the angle I was at.

I wasn't in a comfortable position.

I needed to be in a battle.

Yeah.

My arm was at a weird, crooked angle.

Why are you playing the organ from underneath your desk?

What are you doing?

What over there?

The apparatus is on the left.

So I'm facing forward.

Here's the two computers in front of me and my microphone.

And then to the left is this.

So

wait a minute.

You got two computers and a microphone?

That's right.

Well, you're where it's at, baby.

Look at who knows Beck.

How about that?

That's impressive.

Hey.

How do you know that song?

I'm blown away that you know that song.

How do you know that song?

Because you couldn't get away from the goddamn thing about 30 years ago.

It was in Grand.

That's the only part of it I could understand.

And it was repeated over and over and over again in every goddamn elevator that you might be in at 19, whatever the fuck year that was, that golden year.

That was kind of your era of, that's as close as you ever got to understanding or being a part of alternative music.

With everything you're doing.

There was no alternative.

Well, there was no alternative, I guess.

That's the way to look at it.

Why did they call it alternative music when it was everywhere and you couldn't get away from it?

There was no alternative.

You know, I just saw WWE did an interview with the headbangers.

I guess they must have signed a legends deal or something.

And they did an interview and they were talking about how they got the gimmick in Smoky Mountain Wrestling.

And they didn't explain it.

So it just sounded funny without any explanation.

They're like, yeah, Jim Cornette was at a Marilyn Manson concert and he saw this.

I don't know, they didn't even say that.

They said Danzig, I think, whatever it was.

They mentioned that you were there, but they didn't say like, well, because he was working with Rick Rubin.

It just sounded like Jim Cornette was hanging out one night at the concerts.

Yeah, yeah, you know, he was a big fucking head-banging groupian fellow back then.

I wasn't even, I wasn't even that.

No, I was there, actually, but it wasn't even because I was working with Rick Rubin, because it was in Knoxville.

Cat, my friend Cat Collins, who was working with Rick Rubin,

had invited me just because he was going to be there.

I can't even remember the name of it.

It was a place I had never been to in Knoxville.

And I lived and ran the town for four years.

I'd never been there before or since.

But

the concert was Glenn Danzig, who was a big wrestling fan.

And,

you know, independently of Rubin, as well, we just all kind of congregated with very odd

bedfellows with being wrestling fans.

But

so Kat said, come down and I introduce you to Glenn Danzig and blah, blah, blah.

And it was the opening act that nobody had ever fucking heard of.

That I, because I'd asked Kat, I said, can I like either sit backstage with you or, you know, if I got a piss, can, y'all, yeah, come on the bus or whatever.

Cause I didn't want to go out in the fucking public area when I saw the fan base coming in.

I had no, I thought our people were.

They were salt of the earth people.

They were a bit off, but they were still normal.

But these, I didn't know where they,

these

citizens that came to the concert,

where they habitated in Knoxville during the day, because you never saw them out on the street or anywhere else.

But nevertheless,

so I'm back behind the deal over by the amplifier or whatever, and the opening act comes on, and it's Marilyn Manson.

And he's wearing a goddamn skirt, and he's got the combat boots.

And

he screams at one point at the count of three.

I want you all to spit on me.

And I'm, I'm not in the line of fire, but I'm ducking anyway, right?

And they do.

And I'm like, what the fuck?

There's a gimmick

to be had here somehow.

And that's when Glenn and Chaz were,

you remember seeing them as the Spiders, right?

They worked for Dennis's The Spiders, but also, especially Glenn Ruth, he was a regular

enhancement guy on WWF TV for a long time because of all the tapings in the Northeast.

Well, and they were from New Jersey.

And

I had talked, yeah, I talked to them, you know, a number of times because they were trying to go somewhere.

And I think they may have,

they may have ended up going to work for Burt Prentiss.

I don't know if this was before they came to work for me, or I think it was before, because I think they were still the Spiders.

But remember when Burt Prentiss closed a territory down in like Missouri somewhere and didn't tell the boys?

And they just

found out when they showed up for the fucking towns and there was no towns.

They just, so, but nevertheless, I'd been wanting to bring them in, but I didn't want

Tennessee and especially outlaw wrestling in Tennessee had been filled with massed tag teams.

as job guys or as, you know, whatever.

Going back to the days in the 60s when Gulis gulis was running four towns a night and some of the boys would say he'd send the real

interns or infernos to the town that had the best advance but they'd be booked two or three different places i don't

know but nevertheless

i've i said here's a gimmick i thought of it i said here's a gimmick for you i said but you got to wear dresses and they're like what

And, you know, and then they took to it.

But it was, it was just started out.

I was like, just look at this, these weird young people,

these weird young hipsters and their chains and their goddamn noses and everything.

We can get something out of this.

And that became the headbanger.

And then they took it and ran with it.

So what do you think when you see your gimmick on WWE?

Like, do you feel like, hey, you know, that's my gimmick?

Or are you just happy that?

No,

to get them to use the headbangers gimmick when they came in in 96, I signed paperwork for them

because they wouldn't,

it was the same thing as D-Lo Brown.

They, they wouldn't use those names and or gimmicks, whatever you want to call them, if they were the boys and the boys had come up with them because they wanted to own everything.

But because I was working there at the time and I could testify, testify

that, no, I named him D'Lo Brown and I named him the headbangers Thrasher and Mosh.

And

I'm with the office here.

I was getting them a job, right?

Instead of having them change all their shit, what the fuck then are you going to?

Why would you give somebody a job and then change all their shit?

The reason why you gave them a job, right?

So, nevertheless, so that's how they were able to do that.

Well, there it is.

So many people think of Smoky Mountain Wrestling and they think of, you know, the Allman Brothers, Jessica, or something.

or Fire on the Mountain, a song.

Yes.

But between hip-hop and rap in 94 with the gangstas and then the next year with the headbangers you were kind of in your own little way as on top of alternative music as paul heyman was

it just had to fit i didn't have a lot of guys would bullet bob have come out to public enemy

right i didn't that that's a thing to me music

And that's, remember, we've joked about old big Russ McCullough

when the theme song that he actually picked was titled Dead and Bloated.

And it was so ironic.

It was a metaphor for his entire career and wrestling style.

But it's not what the guys like and think that's a cool song.

It's what song

gives the vibe and the

gets the people in the mood, gets the reaction.

Born in the USA was the furthest thing from a patriotic song if you listen to the, well, it was patriotic in its own way, but it was like rah-rah if you listen to the words.

But at the same time, nobody listened to the words.

And they did, born in the USA.

So for the babyface, whatever, right?

But the entrance music has to

reflect or enhance or create the vibe of who.

this guy is supposed to fucking be if he was really the person we're portraying him as, not what's his favorite song.

And that's what

you would go through with some of the guys when you were trying, especially at OVW.

And some of them were

knocked it out of the park, home runs,

the fucking it's reigning men for the heartbreakers.

That was theirs.

They came up with it and it was fucking perfect.

Because I didn't have music for, I couldn't get it.

I said, I'm going to give you fucking Pat Benatar's heartbreaker if you don't give me something, right?

And they thought I was serious.

Oh, oh

so they found something and it was perfect

but other times it just it depends on what the guy's

appearance i hate to say the word character but what their gimmick is

as to what the

music should be not just what they like or what's necessarily fashionable so in ovw

all the was young people's music music,

except in a case of it was somebody's gimmick not to be, right?

But in Smoky Mountain,

that shit was actually newer than goddamn

Taylor Swift's first hit would be right now.

So it just people are looking back and going, that's old music.

Well, not really, because that's old footage.

Yeah, the stud stable coming out the hard to handle wasn't exactly an old song.

I mean, it was an old song, but that recording wasn't an old recording by that point.

No, because it was the crows and it was on the radio

and they were produced by Rick Rubin.

And they were doing, pardon me if I'm giving Otis Redding credit, but it was Redding, right?

It was a cover.

It's definitely a cover because I know I've heard other versions.

I don't know if it's an Otis Redding song or not.

Well, maybe you could Google that by the time that I

blurt this out because it was the perfect thing for Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden.

These two goddamn

they're six foot six apiece apiece or whatever.

And many people know that Robert Fuller had the biggest dick in captivity and those shit-eating grins they've got.

And they are country as fuck, just

hillbilly fuck you, motherfuckers,

with that personality.

And here comes the fucking crows doing a fucking remake of a 60s song.

It was perfect.

It gave you the fucking vibe, right?

Yeah, it is Otis Redding.

And the version I knew was the Grateful Dead version because that was something they oh good lord i can't i i have never heard that and i can't imagine what it would sound like pigpen sang lead on that one it was good there need there needs to be somebody involved in that from down south to make it work and i don't i don't know where the instead of south san francisco well let me ask you about

here i am a man on y'all scene

Let me ask you about.

But basically, it was about Robert Fuller's giant cock is what that entrance music was about, and it fucking worked.

I never even put two and two together.

That's why that was the theme song.

That was the

idea I had.

They didn't give it like, they didn't give a shit.

They never had music half the time they were in the business, right?

It was like when I asked Jimmy Golden, what do you want to use for your finish?

Well, I throw a pretty good drop kick.

And he knocked the fucking guy out with it.

I said, okay, that's your finish.

Well, before we close up this look at the music of Smoky Mountain and Robert Fuller's dick, let me ask you about the one time that I know,

at least now, and I'm sure it was then too, the wrestlers didn't like your choice of music.

At least one of the two I know has been very public about it, Chris Jericho.

He didn't like the song you picked for the Thrill Seekers.

What was that discussion like?

Did you have that song in your mind before you...

There was no discussion as it is your music.

Where did that song?

How did that come to you?

What made you decide on?

I'm trying to think because we did.

See, here's the thing: with them, I did videos.

I was taking off on,

as Gomer Powell would say, I was taking off on the fabulous ones videos from

what, nine years previously, or whatever the fuck.

I was trying to get some girls to the matches.

Little did I know I was going to get no cooperation from the faux fabulous ones.

So I'm trying to remember what the

entrance music was and what some of the music videos we did.

What was that song?

What was the song Rock America?

That's right.

Okay, simple.

It was some goddamn heavy metal song or hair metal song by some goddamn hair metal band that was on the radio within the previous three or four years that here's these Canadian guys.

young rock and roll types that are going to come down here to America and rock America.

What the, how deep do we have to go with this?

Is Lance Storm as far from a rock and roll type as you could think of now that you know the guy?

Now that I know him,

I would have brought him in for Sandy Scott's job if I'd have known of his personality, but I was just looking at his fucking beefy body.

But is that a situation where you would have been, like if Jericho and Storm come up to you and said, you know, we're okay with it if you want to do it.

Would you please listen to this and consider this?

Would you have been open to it?

Or were you pretty much?

No, that's the thing is.

See, Jericho,

now with hindsight, didn't realize he was ever going to get to be a faux rock star like he was a faux fabulous one, right?

He didn't know he was going to have the pull to do these things.

So I don't recall a conversation where they ever came up and said, We hate our music.

Will you listen to this and we can change our music?

And if it happened, no, it didn't happen.

So I can pretty much say that.

I think they were embarrassed

about the music videos also.

I don't know on Jericho's part, it may have been

because of his musical choices were different than ours.

But I think I just took it as both of them were embarrassed to be on goddamn camera because Lance was.

Because they'd never been on camera before.

And here we've got him out at Gatlinburg, you know, fucking doing things in the Smogy Mountains and interacting with the fans and supposed to be personable.

And Lance was as social as a goddamn case crotch rot.

So I didn't, you know, the point is, if they'd have given me something that was good under the parameters that I just discussed, I would have listened to it and or considered it.

But they might have given me whatever fuck Chris listens to that he screeches along with

on those

videos him shot by his phone where he's just screaming in the night and says, See, I can sing.

And then ah, sounds like he's turned into a werewolf.

That is still one of the funniest things ever.

Where I think it was when he was feuding with Sebastian Bach.

And like, yes, whether he could sing or not was called out the question.

And he put up the videos, like him in his home office, like, watch this.

And he starts screeching.

And you almost think he's joking.

And you realize, oh my God, he's serious.

And he can't.

Yeah, you get about a minute in and you think, it's not a rib here.

He is, no, this is the way it's supposed to be, he thinks.

And what the fuck again, Sebastian Bach never said

that Jericho couldn't wrestle.

So, why the fuck is Jericho trying to say I could outsing Sebastian Bach?

But that's a story for another day.

Can you imagine you're Sebastian Bach, and you get this like video, like, hey, Sebastian, look at this.

Yeah,

You tell him, Antonio.

Oh, no, it's not stopping again.

Oh, man.

Oh, there we go.

Tyada.

But, but yes, but that's that's the story on the song.

So that's basically what that was.

But he see, he hated his music so bad, he broke his own arm on purpose to get out of it.

He could have just given me another DVD, could he, or a CD?

Who did the Canadians listen to in 1994?

Was it, was it Rush?

I don't know if it was Rush then, maybe.

They're very Canadian, aren't they?

It could have been.

Maybe the Zit remedy.

I'm not exactly sure.

But Jim, you may hear some mild noise in the background.

Oh, Christ.

They're doing some trimming.

It shouldn't be the usual.

Some people are being hoisted on their own petards.

Well, what I was going to say, this is a Nokie thing.

God damn it.

Up, Tiger, almost.

Jim, some people have a song and they want to sing it.

Some people have a book and they want you to read it.

And let's talk about Cornett's Collectibles and, of course, your brand new book.

Well, I'll tell you, and some people don't have a lot of books left and they want you to wait patiently.

We've talked about the incredible response and I appreciated and thanked everybody on the last program we did.

I'll thank you listeners of Brian's show

here for the tremendous response.

We have

We're on now, by the time the folks hear this, more or less the last 500 copies of the print run, and nobody's even seen it yet.

I just over the last couple of days since that's what I've been doing.

I've been watching wrestling and signing books and I'm all out of bubblegum and fucking

mental capacity as well.

By the time the folks hear this, the first 400 and something

orders will have been turned over to Hotchkiss to get labels on and get out to the people.

And we're still working on the first day on sale.

The people had ordered on October 11th.

And there's many of you out there.

You jumped in at first.

You get priority.

We're going to muddle through

the first day on sale orders in hopefully the next 10 to 14 days.

And then

start on October 12th.

And you see where this is going, folks, but past now the point of Is this book going to be reprinted if you want it before Christmas?

I urge you to act quickly because I foresee that my life is going to be a revolving door of signing books and doing podcasts for the next eight weeks or so.

But we're going to do this and the feather bottoms are behind me and all the other wonderful stuff that's on sale.

By the way,

we have sold out of Wrestling at the Garden books by Scott Teal again.

That makes 300 we've gone through.

And we're getting with Scott to see if we can get any more and add those because there's been such tremendous interest.

But

all the action figures are still available while they last and at sale prices and so much more at jimcornet.com.

But the book, Heroes and Friends, the first recipients will start getting that book by the beginning of the week of whatever the fuck Monday is on the 27th or 28th.

You're going to start seeing it then.

And then we encourage you, the lucky ones, tweet out

your photos or unwrapping videos or whatever the kids do when they get boxes in the mail these days and tell us what you think of it because

apparently you trust me sight unseen and I appreciate that.

But order quickly before Christmas

or Hanukkah for that matter.

That's right at cornetscollectibles.com.

And those which is which comes first, Christmas or Hanukkah?

Hanukkah's first, right?

Not always, but I believe believe this year it is well it's as soon what comes before that is there any other holiday that comes before that well besides i mean in the in the holiday the christmas area any other people's holiday order order well before your first holiday whatever part of the world you're in and and fest order well before festivus

that's right there's all sorts of noise not swami's going but Jim Cornette.

Swami's going.

Well, God, have you had his kidneys checked?

Just right on the rug?

Cornetscollectibles.com.

I literally have a conversation with the guy.

I tell him what I'm going to record.

He goes, Oh, I'll have them do something else.

And now, yeah, they did.

They went to lunch and came back.

God damn it.

Well, Jim, we have a lot to get to here today.

We have a whole lot to get to.

Why don't we start with SmackDown?

Because I know you watched it and there were a couple of things of note on this week's episode.

Well, boy, howdy,

you know,

I will save

the comments in comparing

SmackDown and comparing the two promotions.

I'll save it for when we get over to Wrestle Dream because SmackDown is and Raw, they're just going on about their merry way.

They are not

reacting to anything else in the world because they're just kind of doing their thing.

And as little as possible is their thing.

And what I don't understand,

they started the show.

This was October 17th i believe right correct boy that means halloween

all hallows eve is going to be on a friday night i wonder if they'll have their guys dressed up in costumes and triple h can come out dressed as

taco michinoku or something

But they do the in-ring with Cody, and he's in the ring after they've done the package on the vision turn and the whole nine yards.

And he milks it.

It's eight minutes into the show before he spoke a fucking word

and they did just a brief promo on seth

and then it but now i've got issues of my own i'm handling smackdown business

drew mcintyre and jacob fatu

are having a number one contender match and i'm going to be ready for whoever

And that was it.

Besides the fact that

it was barely worth the walk to the ring, the time he spent speaking,

this confused me until I realized, even though

we talked about on the last program we did, you and I, Brian, did we not?

Am I in a hallucinatory state from book signing drunkenness?

Didn't we talk about all the publicity that everybody's reported Jacob Fatu was injured and was going to be out and blah, blah, blah already?

Yeah, Experience 604 just came out.

But it's not like we broke any guy.

We didn't have the Pentagon papers here.

This was a widely known,

who was it one time somebody cut a promo and said, it's a well-known secret.

But it was a widely known thing that Jacob Fatu was injured amongst the wrestling fan and reporter community at large.

Was it not?

That's the word that had gone around before SmackDown, yes.

So they just said, well, fuck it.

We're just going to act like he's going to wrestle, and then we're just going to beat him up in a bat.

But

how did these things get out to that wide an extent if that's not in their plans of what they're going to be doing?

Because

whatever the case didn't, it never will get to it.

So that was the first segment.

What did you think of Cody's energy?

Again, we've talked about how Cody's kind of been minimized over the last several months, even though he's still the world champion.

But what'd you think of anything different you see, or is everything as good as normal?

I didn't pay that much attention because I was waiting for him to get to the point and he started leaving.

By the time that I was, I was still waiting.

I thought there was going to be some.

And like everybody else, I was turning my head and looking to the back.

In this case, I was turning my head and looking to the kitchen.

But I was waiting for who was going to come out.

They didn't come out.

But

I'll tell you what they did do.

They did have Cody later on in the back

come up on Jacob Fatu, and Fatu gave him a big promo.

I'm going to, when I'm finished with you, with you, when I'm finished with Drew,

then I'm going to show you the real me or whatever the fuck he said.

And Cody's like, good luck, and I look forward to it.

So there's still

nothing the matter with Jacob.

More on this in a moment.

In between that, they had Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss and Saul Ruka and Zarya and Saria.

Zarya.

I didn't pay attention.

Any comments on Cody yourself before we move along to

what they've done?

to

Sammy.

No, nothing really from the beginning.

Like you you said, I'm waiting for something to happen.

Took him long enough just to get to the ring.

I mean, it's a dream for people who love fast-forwarding because you can kind of just go from one thing to another to another.

You finish SmackDown in 20 minutes.

See, that's the thing I miss about the streaming.

It's hit or miss as to whether you can see what you're skipping or not, but I feel you.

But I think even though Cody comes back later in the show and has a big angle,

I guess technically a match, I think the thing that people were talking about the most after SmackDown was the U.S.

Championship Challenge.

Well, you're correct.

And boy, I was scared to death because

it apparently looked like it was going to be The Miz.

And here comes The Miz.

And then all of a sudden, here comes Carmelo Hayes.

Remember him?

He's still around.

And

he beat up Miz in the allway, and the people came out and they all fought off.

And there's Sammy standing in the ring.

And all all of a sudden the music plays and it's Ilya Kiriakin.

No, that was David McCallum, wasn't it?

It's Ilya Draganov.

And I guess he's been hurt.

I love

he's he's he is a gimmick.

You can tell this is not like

something he's

you know, doesn't want to do or be forced to do or whatever or didn't come up with himself.

He's a gay, he's a little Tasmanian devil.

That's what Dusty, I bet, would say.

You're a little Tasmanian devil.

And he and Gunther,

remember, had one of the still one of the better matches that we've seen in years and years.

And we like Ilia.

So here he comes.

And it's,

I think he's better.

Sammy and Javon gelled well because they do the spectacular

spots and the flying, and it's very

exciting in that visual aspect.

And also, Sammy, as I've said, can sell when he wants to, maybe closer to Ricky Morton than anybody today.

I think Ilya is best with the big fucking heel so he can be the underdog and the feisty,

never say die fellow.

Like, like if Darby Allen had had responsible parents and had grown up to be a responsible adult and an athlete

instead of a crash test dummy.

So I don't know that this match I enjoyed as much as I didn't enjoy as much as Sammy and Javon

or as much as Ilya and Agunther.

But,

and also because it was broken up by two breaks in the first 15 minutes.

So the first 15 minutes, eight minutes were on and seven minutes were off.

But the fans in the building got behind Ilya again toward the end there

because he wasn't,

he's obviously not a heel, and Sammy wasn't being

a heel in that respect.

And then finally, Sammy, you know, has made it mounted to come back and go to put him away.

Solo comes out to the entranceway and stands there.

And

Sammy delays his kick.

And then when he went for the kick, Ilya hit him with a goddamn

flying ding bat

and hit him with a driving forearm and boom and one, two, three.

So it's not like that Ilya did something to cheat, but he took advantage of something that he might not have even

known was going on, wasn't responsible for.

So

we got a new champion.

That part I like.

Then we start going downhill.

But before we get there, Brian, comment on the top of the mountain before we get to the pit of the valley.

I thought it was really good.

I saw people raving about it, some saying it was WWE's best match or one of their best matches of the year.

I think that's a little too far.

I thought the Javon Evans match with Sammy was better than this one, but this was really good.

Big pop at the end.

Maybe it's a minor thing that's superficial that bothers me, but when a guy you've seen a little bit of and gotten into shows back up with the makings of, it didn't even look like it was finished, a giant chest and neck tattoo,

it kind of throws me off a little bit.

I'm sorry to say.

It just all of a sudden, like, what the fuck is this guy thinking?

Is he an idiot?

But he showed up with that, and

I didn't think that looked the greatest.

But Ilya's really good.

Really good match.

Really shitty post-match

after it.

But good moment.

The fans, they were really into it, and it was a good match.

Well, and

I'm glad that Ilya is back.

I'm glad he's going to be on the main roster.

I'm glad they're doing something with him.

Love is in the air, right?

And I've complimented Sammy as well.

So, and none of this is their fault.

They're now at the

muthy of the people pulling the strings.

But

Sammy and Ilya got up

and they were face to face.

And we don't really know know what, you know, might transpire.

And then here come

Solos guys with their faces painted like panda bears.

It's Jeff Cobb, right?

JC Mateo, and it's taller Tonga.

He's taller than all of them.

And it's who's there's Tonga Loa.

Have we got Tomatonga back, or is that the extent of them?

Tomatonga there.

Mona Loa.

That's right.

Who now?

What?

I'm confusing them with a macadamia nut.

I'm sorry.

Well,

the point is

the whole group of them, except for Solo,

have their faces painted

black and white.

And I wasn't really exaggerating.

That's the first.

When you look at one of those paint jobs on their faces, do you think Panda Bear before you think anything else?

I had not, and I'm pretty sure I will think of nothing but that now that you brought it up.

How could you not?

They're white faces and black fucking circus.

It's a panda bear.

Maybe someone will face the bamboo in the ring.

Now, I know that I, again, I'm not up on all of the young folks.

You know, I understand some of the cities in the country are burning, I understand, just riots.

Are the street gangs now painting their faces

black and white to imitate or simulate simulate or

copulate of a panda bear, or if so, or some type of what is this activity?

Or is this just

how can you take a group of Samoans that are 250 to 300 plus pounds that are up to seven feet tall

and make them physically unintimidating to where the first response of a normal person would be, what the fuck are these guys?

Is there anything to be said for war paint?

Like, there are that ain't it.

No, there's no Samoan that has ever painted their face for war on the islands or even on Gilligan's Island that looks like this.

What are you?

Well,

if I am wrong, if there is some warlike tribe of Maori's somewhere that paint their face like this, Google it right now and I'll give $1,000 to

the Maori charity.

Why don't you just give it to me if i find it good no because you don't need it and you're not a maori

i i do the work i should get the money not the charity that you never heard of then you're gonna have to move to a goddamn pacific island thousands of miles away from here and i'll send you that thousand dollars samoan war paint

they do in fact uh paint their faces apparently it appears to be i'm not saying they don't paint their microphone faces like this more umaga-ish not that's i don't see any photos of the white except for the photos that come up of the bloodline, actually.

That's the only photos I see.

The only ones.

And they would,

is that so you can see them in the dark?

What the

giant glowing, wouldn't that be the opposite?

I thought war paint and like camouflage to disguise you from the enemy, not fucking make you glow.

But anyway,

so

what are they called?

They're not the bloodline, right?

They're something else.

They're the MFTs,

which I assumed was motherfucking Tongans, but now is apparently my family tree.

Oh,

either that or Solo also bought out that goddamn genealogy research website that went bankrupt and he's got that scam going now.

I don't know.

But if it's my family tree, he used to call them my MFT.

So that'd be my, my family tree?

Or the MFTs, my family trees?

how many families are you branching off of there

y'all is

his

original name was target because everybody had a shot at it all right well that's oh come on now no i can see now no i wouldn't say let's get back to the panda attack here the panda attack

It was like a Chinese zoo on SmackDown.

To be fair, now they reminded me of Mike Boyette

when he was apocalypse, a soldier of fortune.

I've told you this story years ago, but I one of the first people I managed in 1982 was poor hippie Mike Boyette, who had come up with a gimmick

because he was a legitimate fucking badass judo guy in the 60s.

I came to find out.

And as well, he had been

in some type of branch of the service in Vietnam,

which

it may explain quite a bit of mike's future life and mental state

and also mike was one of the trailblazers in pro wrestling and pharmaceuticals

so he sells dundee on a gimmick to bring him into memphis as apocalypse the soldier of fortune and apocalypse the movie

had just been three or four years or if that long, whatever the fuck, right?

Big movie.

And they're in the war, right?

So he's got the fucking camouflage.

He's got the

khaki pants and the combat boots.

And he's got a netting the war to the ring as a jacket and a

camouflage hat.

And he painted his face like a camouflage.

You're hiding in the jungle.

And it kind of looked badass.

And then the first, he lost the boots after three weeks, but I came in one night.

I said,

Mike, where's your boots?

he's sitting there barefoot right no say so i'm gonna work barefoot that's why he said they said my boots were made out of potatoes

and

and then as the gimmick went on

which i think was part of the pharmaceutical trailblazing and eventually

you know that would catch up with him but he started doing these outlandish paint designs where at one time he i've got great pictures he was actually a panda bear it was a black and white panda bear, and the headgear matched.

And he would have a bright red, blood red tongue with

some other type of designs.

He would have stood out on the goddamn moon.

It was completely, he was just pilled up.

It was amazing.

Then he broke his or hurt his neck on Bobby Fulton's.

stomach and

left my establishment,

my dynasty of champions.

Once again, let's get away from your establishment.

Back to the Panda House.

Yes.

So anyway, they came out and beat up Sammy and Ilya.

And this is what, and then Phoenix came out and they beat him up too.

And this is what I was about to say 10 minutes ago.

I'm glad that Ilya's on the roster, but it's obvious that they

this was kind of okay, but yeah, we got other things to do.

This was not a moment that was focused on.

So he, it's not like they're giving him a rocket ship to the main event at WrestleMania, but now he's the U.S.

champion.

But then they

beat them up and Solo got on the microphone and talked long enough to

lose some interest.

And then the lights went out.

And when they came back on, there was the Wyatt Schitts

standing on the ring apron.

I'm like, oh, God.

And

I'd lulled myself into a false sense of security, Brian, that I forgot these guys were around.

But

here are these giant Samoan guys in this ring, even though they're painted to look

like a clown in the fucking, you know, Ringling Brothers.

There's how many of them now did we establish?

Is there five?

There was five of them.

Samoans, there were five, yes.

Yes.

And of the Wyatt six, there's four.

What?

Well,

three men and a woman.

Well, so three, three people and a woman.

Yeah.

But no, but I'm just saying there's four of them to begin.

The Wyatt six, but there's four.

And as they're standing lined up,

the woman is one of them.

And she's lined up with Solo.

Was she not like in the middle?

Like she, I'm like, how, what the fuck?

And Solo turns around and calls his guys off.

Would the would a year and a half ago, would the bloodline have

just eaten these people?

No, because the bloodline would have never been in the same segment with these people.

And that's the problem with Solo's group.

Solo's group dragged Jacob Fatu down eventually when they had him turn.

And then there's nothing happening with them.

If they're going to be in a feud with the Wyatts, and I can't imagine that's going to go too long because they also beat up Sammy and Ilya and Dragon Lee.

This is the makings for the worst war games ever.

Was that Dragon Lee?

I thought that was Phoenix.

Oh, Ray Phoenix.

Excuse me.

Excuse me.

Well, Dragon Lee.

Are you racist?

You don't know which masked guy is which.

But my point is,

I don't know what any of this is.

I don't know if if there's any demand for it.

I think the U.S.

Championship Challenge was good over the last several weeks with a good match here.

It's amazing to think this is all part of the end of that.

But again, why didn't Solo just super kick the girl if she comes in the ring?

Wouldn't that change everything?

I mean, we have so much intergender fighting happening now in wrestling.

If the Wyatts are there in the dark and they creep up behind you and there's five of you and there's three men and a woman, so that means, you know, one-on-one, one-on-one, the girl's going to take on two guys, I guess.

Take her out, made the other guys go save her.

And where's the leader?

Where's Bo Dallas?

Other than the video screen.

Again, I'm thinking too much about this because it's terrible.

But yeah,

that's what we have to look forward to.

This whole segment was kind of the good and bad of SmackDown.

A good competitive match that makes sense because it builds into a multi-week storyline of Sami Zayn having the U.S.

title open challenge.

A couple guys almost won it.

Someone did today.

And then immediately you get stuff with people you don't care about feuding with other people you don't care about.

Well, the new champion is laying on his face somewhere off camera.

So I wasn't a fan of that part for this.

I could understand if, you know,

God damn, the rock and Stone Cold needed to come out and use the ring for a minute.

But Jesus Christ.

Well, Jim, you know, getting back to the U.S.

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It certainly is.

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Let's now transport ourselves back to SmackDown.

Oh, I forgot we were still doing that.

Well, here's what happened.

After we we got the uh, I think the machine guns and the mechanical garzas,

it was main event time, the number one contender match.

It's supposed to be Drew McIntyre and Jacob Fatu.

And then, as we mentioned earlier, even though that it has been somewhat

widely reported that Jacob Fatu was outfed, we've already done a program on it for what was described as a non-wrestling injury.

More on this in a moment,

They're still just on this show.

They really don't give a shit anymore whether everybody knows it's phony.

If it's

except if somebody breaks their leg and goes down and is non-ambulatory, they're just going to go through with this shit no matter what, I guess.

But nevertheless.

The music plays for Fatu, no Fai 2.

And then on the screen, they're running.

It's chaos.

Oh my God, Fatu's down.

Somebody's turned over

the Jolly Green Giant's erector set.

I don't know what's laying on him.

It's a giant thing, and he's bleeding from the mouth, and there's teeth laying all over the floor.

And there's a big old pool of blood,

and there's

lots of teeth on the floor.

And then

we'll get back to that.

But Aldous come, or not Aldous, but Drew McIntyre came out

and cut the promo first and called him bleeding gums fatu and is telling the referee to raise his hand, give me the match.

This guy's obviously not able to continue, compete, whatever.

Then Aldous came out

and he's like, did you have something?

I didn't have anything to do with it.

I just, I want this match.

I want the win.

Give it to me now.

And Cody comes out and says, you know what you did.

I don't think he did it.

But nevertheless,

these fans wanted a number one contender match.

Cody says, so you, you wanted the title match.

Well, let's have it right here, right now.

And the thing I could see again, this is so dusty-ish.

Cody's dressed in his street clothes.

Dusty would have been

not in a fucking custom-made suit, but he would have been in his dusty apparel.

And it would have added to the fucking impromptuness of the match and the way that they

just kicked into it.

Except as soon as they started the fight,

they went to a break.

And you had to sit there for three minutes if you did and go,

and that's that's one thing that if I could change about their production versus AEWs,

at least AEW will give you

a few minutes to get hooked on the match or involved in the match in some kind of way.

Most time it doesn't work,

but you have the opportunity.

Here, it's like as soon as they actually start fighting, ah, we don't want to see it.

But nevertheless, and they did the picture in picture, yes, but it's just, it's ridiculous.

at which they fought all over the arena and then back and came back with eight minutes on the air and then rang the bell for the match.

And boom,

they just had to have a flurry and the fans were into it.

And it was a back and forth fight.

And then Cody made a big comeback and Drew threw him over the rail, but Cody grabbed the belt and crowned Drew with it and got disqualified.

And then Cody cleared off the desk.

It was going to give him the crossroads on the desk, but security came out and flooded him.

So Cody jumped up to the top rope and dove off on everybody.

And then they drag Drew out,

just like they drag out most of their television programming.

So, for what it was, that was very effective.

But again, it's you know, we just totaled up the 15 minutes of excitement in

a two-hour program.

And

you know, I, I just, I, oh, and so Fatuba, I'll give you a chance to chime in on all of it.

Now they're saying

it's dental work.

They were at first saying he was going to be out of the ring maybe till into 2026.

Dental work?

Wait, someone said he was going to be out until the end of 2026?

No, into

the calendar year 2020.

The first story was he would be out into 2026.

That was a couple weeks ago.

Now they're saying, oh, it might not be as long.

What is he?

Is he having his fucking jaw replaced?

That fucking guy is going to, you know,

dental work can be painful.

And I would think if he's having something extensive done,

you wouldn't want to work for a couple of weeks.

But I don't.

I don't know what he could be having done that they would need to

injure him him on camera and him take a month or two off.

The dentists out there in the cult cornico, we're not trying to knock Jacob Fatu.

We love him.

So we're trying to get to the bottom of this.

What could they be doing

that he would need to take enough time off that

you would need to hurt him on television and knock all of his teeth out on the floor?

That's what I'm wondering.

Well, it's not uncommon for wrestlers to show up with all new teeth in the last few years.

I mean, look at his cousin Roman Reigns.

Well, yeah, but Roman only wrestled one time to goddamn a month to begin with, or even less.

I don't see Jacob Fatu as the kind of guy who would say, I'm going to have some elective bullshit done, so take me off television.

I'd say he wants to work.

He wants to get over.

He wants to be a fucking star.

I'm trying to think what is fucked up so bad in his mouth

that, and I'm not even trying to belittle him.

I'm just, I'm, I need clarity on this.

Somebody out there, besides Dr.

Mike Lano

with a dentistry degree,

he might be the cause of all these problems.

Uh, Jacob Fatu's from the Bay Area, maybe.

Do you think he's oh my god, and that's it?

He's been worked on by Dr.

Mike Lano.

That would take even the Samoan werewolf down to his knees.

Holy God, I've said we might be

doing some sad singing and slow walking coming up for Jacob Fatu.

If Dr.

Mike Lano has been inside of his head, you know, one of my favorite defenses years ago that some people would have for Mike Lano's not crazy.

I used to talk to him all the time and everything seemed normal.

And then the more we'd come out, but yeah, but when I was talking to him, I'd hear like a drill in the background.

You'd be calling people talk wrestling.

Oh, they're patients in the fucking chamber.

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, but at least the patients were unconscious.

So they never know.

Allegedly.

No,

I just alleged that myself.

Well, again, Jacob Fatu, we wish you well.

If it is Dr.

Michael Andle you're seeing, you may want to go to a new dentist.

But, and, and here's the thing also with Fatu's,

it.

The giant pool of blood that they had on the ground, along with the teeth,

And at the same time, by the time they went back to see him again,

you know, before this

main event or, you know, before the whole thing was over with, he was still spitting,

but it wasn't really bleeding still.

And it was kind of like it was, I've seen blood on the floor and I've not seen that amount of teeth.

You need a baseball bat, right?

But I've seen blood on the floor and I've had a tooth knocked out.

And it just, just, it didn't look very legitimate, but

he would not have been,

his face would have needed to be reconstructed if somebody had knocked that many teeth out of that guy all at the same time.

He would have not have been sitting there spitting.

Hey, one last thing on this before we close up SmackDown.

You mentioned before that you're starting not to think or you don't believe that it was Drew that took out Jacob Fatu.

Could this just be a way to finish up everything with Fatu and Drew without actually finishing finishing anything up so that when he comes back,

there doesn't have to be a match.

They can move him on to something else.

Well, there can always be a match, and they might still want to reignite it, but they want to get the attention off of it because they're not going to deliver what they said they were going to deliver.

So they want

the people to want something else, which is why they turned them down

this primrose path.

So

I mean, they got to do what they got to do,

but they may very well revisit it at some point in time when they can give it.

But now

the reason why they did this, obviously, is they're going to take the place of

they're going to replace a major Fatu match or something in the plan with

Cody and Drew now on something that we've

yet to fucking determine just because they're changing shit around a little bit and they want to lean the people to think in a different direction.

well that was wwe smackdown and we shall return right after this short commercial timeout

all right we have returned from our commercial timeout

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Brian, I've got a bulletin over here.

You know, I've unbeknownst to you, I've had Jay Sharknado out on the crime beat.

I think he has the makings of a hell of an investigative reporter,

and he's gotten to the bottom.

Have you heard about the big crime of the century here lately over in Paris, which is over in France, where they broke into the famous museum, the Louvre?

Have you heard about this?

The Louvre, yes, big surprising criminal activity.

It's supposed to be like a fortress, and somehow this happened midday, apparently.

Priceless jewels from Napoleon that were stolen.

Now that we know how they did it now,

officials say four thieves used a truck-mounted basket lift and power tools to make off with priceless crown jewels from the world's most visited museum on Sunday.

The brazen heist was carried out in less than eight minutes.

And

Sunday at 9:30 in the morning, the museum is open.

In summary, they parked a basket lift on the side of the museum that faces the river and used it to gain access to a balcony where they forced open a window using an angle grinder.

What did Kurt have to do with this?

Do you think?

What is it?

I've heard of an angle slam,

but not, nevertheless, they.

The angle grinder was his ex-wife.

Go!

And they entered the museum's Apollo gallery, home to the historic collection of crown jewels.

They smashed two high-security display cases and grabbed eight objects before fleeing on two motorcycles.

They were inside the museum less than four minutes.

The French Minister of Culture

said they said, I surrender.

I surrender.

Oh, quiet now.

You can't keep browbeating these poor people.

Maybe they wanted to just infiltrate from within.

But nevertheless, he said they were very efficient, is what he said.

Is that French?

They were very efficient.

That's Clouseau.

One of the suspects attempted to set fire to the truck they used to carry out the raid, but was stopped by a louvre security official officer

and then so they got a how did he stop them

well i guess he had a fire extinguisher i don't but they didn't capture them they didn't stop them he just stopped them starting a fire maybe he bungled out there on the street and said why are you trying to set that truck on fire and they just ran off and then later on

They say, hey, did you see two guys?

Yeah.

I guess that's stopped them.

I guess that time of day, considering what happened, that is where the security guard would be out on the street wandering around.

Yeah,

uh, but they got a tiara, necklace, and single earring from the sapphire set belonging to 19th-century French queens

Marie Amelia and Hortense.

There's another woman's name that you do not encounter often anymore: Hortense.

And they're emerald necklace at a

H-O-R-T-E-N-S-E.

Hortense.

You can imagine what some of their nicknames were for short.

An emerald necklace and a pair of emerald earrings from Empress Marie Louise.

She played Ginger on Gilligan's Island.

Also a Reliquary brooch.

Brooch.

Is it a brooch or brooch?

Brooch.

Well, this is B-R-O-O-C-H.

Brioche.

A reliquary brioche, a tiara and brioche belonging to Empress Eugenie,

wife of Napoleon III.

And they have inestimable heritage and historical value.

They dropped the Empress Eugenie's crown,

which features thirteen hundred and fifty-four diamonds, 1,136 rose-cut diamonds, whatever the case that is, and 56 emeralds.

It was found near the scene.

They dropped all the goddamn, they dropped the crown.

That was the crowning fucking

thing.

But they have vowed to catch the suspects, recover the priceless artifacts, buy cracky,

and somebody's going down for this.

Especially fucking with Empress Eugenie's shit, for God's sake.

That was the name we read the other day.

One of Prince Andrew's daughters was Princess Eugenie.

It must be, it runs into family, sort of like hortense.

She ran through the whole family.

That's what Prince Andrew called it when he saw the look on the face of these women.

Hortense.

Andrew.

All right.

But anyway, so now we know what's happened to the crown jewels or some of them.

You hear the chainsaw?

You hear my crown jewels?

I hear your off radio.

Yes, I hear your chainsaw.

But the people

understand.

This is actually the team that pulled off the hit at the Louvre.

They're practicing right now.

This is what they do.

They just cut endlessly.

If they've got a truck with a bucket lift, I would watch out.

Well, Jim.

Yes.

That was international intrigue.

But let's now move on to the opposite of intrigue.

I don't know what exactly it is, but AEW had their annual tribute to Antonio Inoki Wrestle Dream.

This time

it took place again.

I don't remember where it was.

Where was it this year, Jim?

Do you remember?

Back here for the very first time.

In St.

Louis, Missouri.

That's right.

That's right.

That's why they had the big arch on the stage there.

That's right.

Actually, they were trying to conduct some kind of weird fucking Tesla experiment.

The home of Lou Thes, the home of Sam Muschnick, the home of St.

Louis Wrestling.

What better way to honor the traditional NWA stylings of St.

Louis wrestling?

Poor Charlie Fez.

Charlie Fez, who was having a great time.

Literally, they were saying hello to her mid-match at some points on the show.

It's a great fan experience, AEW, AEW, but let's talk about wrestling.

Do you remember

that great moment between Luthes and Dick Hutton where they waterboarded each other?

I think that was actually between Carl Gotch and Buddy Rogers, if I'm remembering correctly.

It came close to it.

If they'd been in the showers instead of where they were,

all right.

Well, it's a long road to waterboarding.

It's a long road to tipperary, but we're going to go anyway.

I think I've come up with it, Brian, brian to explain this whole show this aew wrestle dream pay-per-view premium live event whatever i can explain it and the answer is

that all these guys

all the wrestlers in the locker room they got together and they say you know what we have done everything we can do literally they've done everything they can do And we beat up our bodies and just put ourselves in a hospital.

And

this ain't going to work.

We hate these money because the WWE, they're making more money than the Philadelphia Mint

with a branch office in Carson City.

They are like, what the fuck?

We do all this shit.

And

yeah, Tony's paying us, but we ain't drawing shit.

And meanwhile, they don't do anything.

And the people are goddamn fighting to get in there.

And they've got together and they said, let's kill it.

Let's just kill it.

What's the downside?

The way that we all work, we're not going to make it the next three or four years anyway.

Tony's never going to give up.

He's going to pay for this thing no matter what happens.

If we hospitalize ourselves, then we, at least, we get to stay home.

We still get paid.

But let's just do every kind of farcical

parody,

jackass wrestling wrestling stunt that we possibly let's just kill it.

Let's do everything.

Let's where they can't possibly do anything else they haven't already seen.

At least for the people that are seeing what the fuck we're doing, we'll kill it for them.

And that's the way they're going to take the WWE out of business by killing the whole fucking wrestling business.

This is my proposal now.

They can't honestly think this is good on purpose anymore.

Can they?

I think they do.

And I think that's the problem.

I think he does.

And I think that's the problem.

I think there are wrestlers who Tony gives a lot of leeway to, like a Darby or a Jon Moxley.

And it's not just them, but they go way too far with it.

And

does stuff that doesn't help the company.

the perception of the company, the perception of wrestling, makes both guys look like morons.

But AEW, I think, thinks they're doing a good job.

It's, you know, it's a tired phrase.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Tony's running the asylum.

Tony needs to be an inmate.

The inmates are running free in the asylum.

And there's no guards.

There's just no fucking guards.

And the guards there just like, you know, shrug and go, oh, fuck, there's nothing I could do.

These inmates are going to go jump off that fucking ladder right onto their head.

I can't stop them.

Yeah, AEW is a tale of excess.

And, you know, Tony Khan's the same guy that I believe has said at Media Scrums that AEW is a family product for everybody.

That's not even close to true.

Yeah, but that's only if you don't like your family.

Jesus, hey, yeah, bring, bring, bring mother-in-law and, and, and, Uncle Claude over, and let's make them watch this shit.

good lord all righty

so they they were in st louis as we mentioned at the chafettes arena this thing was chafing on me about midway through

but before the actual

pay-per-view itself of course as you know they have a pre-show which now they call a tailgate brawl

Are the people just allowed to drive their vehicles into the building and just

watch them brawl?

Where did that air?

Because I got

Amazon and I got a one-hour pre-show that appeared to be in the arena from up high called Zero Hour, which has always been the name of their pre-show.

And it was Renee and RJ and Lance Archer.

Oh, you don't got to call him RJ.

For a giant heel who should be a killer, he is like so well composed on the microphone.

But they had, and Jeff Jarrett, of course, because,

you know, this has been the year of the retirement of John Cena and Jeff Jarrett.

Let's not forget that.

But where's Tailgate Party air?

I don't know because I'm and this time I was able to differentiate because I got it on Amazon.

But they said, do you want to watch the zero hour?

No.

You know, do you want to watch the okay?

But they do it somewhere and it's in the building and they're broadcasting it somewhere.

But nevertheless,

they had a number of matches, as you would imagine, before

the actual show matches.

I'm reading the rest.

Shouldn't it be in the parking lot?

If it's a tailgate thing, if that's the name you're going to use, why wouldn't it be in the parking lot?

Well, I don't know.

It doesn't really say.

It doesn't say, but at the same time,

when the last match on the

zero hour or pre-show or tailgate party or whatever the fuck bled over into

the actual pay-per-view.

They were in the ring in the building.

So I don't know.

You're asking me to try to explain things related to Tony Kahn's mind.

Help me.

Help me.

So evidently, Claudio and Wheeler and Danny Garcia and PAC

beat

Kyle O'Reilly, EG,

Roderick Strong, and Pockets.

So a good eight-man tag to start the night off.

And then that night truly is a battle of who is the worst faction.

The Death Riders, who have been awful, and the conglomeration, which appears to just be any babyface who has nothing to do, they throw into this thing.

Man or woman.

Ishi E, just in the middle of this out of nowhere makes no sense.

Orange Cassidy, Adam Cole's old friends, Mark Briscoe, Willow Nightingale.

It's the biggest makeshift group.

But again, the Death Riders completely fucking suck.

But also, that's their truth in advertising.

That's why they call it the conglomeration.

So, see, you know, they're admitting up front, here's just a bag of miscellaneous parts.

But anyway, of course, the Death Riders have to win that because

naturally they do.

Then apparently, Eddie Kingston has taken Hook under his armpit.

An unenviable position for anyone.

And they wrestled Brian the Frat House.

Griff Garrison and Cole Carter.

Get out of the way, Fro Cole Carter.

He's a real stinky farter.

He'll shit on your head when you ain't looking because he's been eating Granny's cooking.

You know, thinking long-term booking in a couple of years, they're perfectly set up for a really good Eddie Kinkson Coda Ibushi feud over who has the most time off.

You broke my record.

Well, they did that.

Then

Harley Cameron and Willow Nightingale wrestled Megan Brain and Penelope Pitstop.

And I don't see who won.

Oh, Willow.

Willow won.

Willow won.

And then the match that started the pay-per-view, because now their strategy is:

we'll get a hot match going and we'll run it into the

main show, the pay-per-view.

So we've hooked the people from wherever this is showing or whatever the case may be.

And they picked FTR against Kevin Knight and Hong Kong Fuye.

The first thing that you saw on the pay-per-view, and the match is already going on, but they fire the pyro off anyway when they come up on the air for the pay-per-view.

But the first thing you see is,

again,

this fucking little

weasel,

innocuous, bland.

What more terminology can I use to describe Spitball?

Fourth-degree black belt, notorious badass.

Oh, crap.

Baddest man in the house.

Well, he's up on top of one of FTR throwing some fake girly punches.

And that's the first thing you see.

They're kicking his shit out of FTR.

And then Stokely gets in the ring and interferes in front of the referee.

And it was

a continuous four-way, except when two guys would roll out and hide on the floor.

So the other two guys could do their shit.

and the referee doing nothing about that anyway

and

what it was was FTR trying

to fucking tear the house down with anybody to show we can do it with anybody

and most of the time in this company they end up with people that can't keep up or it's preposterous or

at some point, due to dates your place.

This isn't even like the Midnight Express and the Rock and Roll Express trying to steal the show in Greensboro.

It's like, my God, there's going to be four more hours of this shit

and just 100 miles an hour.

And again, it would bury a 15-year-old girl not to be able to overpower Bailey.

I would take the other Bailey in a fight with this Bailey.

So, I mean, do you see they just get complicated and

the baby faces can't follow it, and it gets to be too much regardless for anybody?

Yeah, I do get that.

I think that on a positive note,

I do like the idea of starting the pay-per-view with FTR.

That's the best chance you got to have the show start with a reasonable wrestling match

in a perfect world, not necessarily this.

But they didn't even do that.

They started in the middle of it.

I didn't even have access to the beginning of the match.

I thought it was all right.

You know, the speedball Mike Bailey thing,

even if he is the biggest badass of all time, even if he's the toughest motherfucker who ever lived, he doesn't look like it.

And this is a cosmetic injury.

This is a cosmetic industry.

And I think it matters.

I think, you know, if you have someone who's the toughest guy ever and he's a tiny little guy,

you know, that shouldn't be the gimmick necessarily, but,

you know, they like him.

The AEW fans like him.

FTR

did a lot here.

It was almost like they were trying to do a classic FTR match.

And yeah, those are my thoughts.

Yeah.

And, you know, that may be a good term to describe, Bailey, though.

Cosmetic injury.

What he suffered one either through Mother Nature or whatever.

And then to finish, go ahead.

I mean, but that's the thing.

Like, if you said,

you know, if you have Wardlow, and again, we don't have him and we won't have him for a while, but like him, when he was in shape when he was first there, if you had said that guy's the baddest guy on the planet, you could build that, even if it's not true, because it looks reasonable.

With a Mike Bailey, it doesn't seem reasonable.

Like, unless you get like real, like, security cam footage of him kicking the shit out of everyone at a bar,

it doesn't seem reasonable.

Don't give him any ideas, do it, Tony.

Let him start the fight and let him finish the fight.

Let's see what happens.

And then we can do a weekly thing: just take the wrestlers and put them in real-life bar fights.

I'd then also, some wise ass is going to say, Well, Bruce Lee was only 140 pounds.

That's the part where the aura comes in, where the ability to project some level of

that

comes in.

And

you

you can't compare this he's you know he's taking your order at a fucking subway this guy yeah it's not you know the kicks like even if he's a real karate yiker throw real kicks he looks like he's auditioning for the rockettes when he throws them that quickly

like it doesn't look like this guy's a badass it looks like this guy goes to jazzer size

look how fast i can lift my feet up in the air

yes

you know we we we like it we like it.

All right,

and that's where they went to ringside for Tony Schiavone with poor Charlie Fez.

It's good to see that she's doing well, but

she was, she was trying to put St.

Louis over.

And oh, it's just wonderful, the wonderful matches.

And she's a very nice woman, but

Luthez would have vomited

already

on his shoes if he was in the front row.

I mean, yet he stayed interested and involved with the business.

When he lived in Norfolk in the 80s, he used to go to the matches there every once in a while at the scope.

But

no, can you imagine at any point in time?

Luthes, who,

when he was NWA champion, told him he didn't want to be booked on the same card with women and midgets because he felt it demeaned

the industry,

and

who

pretty much never

participated in any kind of gimmick match, even with stipulations.

It was a rare thing.

And, Brian,

you have the wrestling news archive.

I've got an incredible photo collection.

When's the last time you saw a picture of Luthes bleeding in the wrestling ring?

I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Well, he wrestled from 1935 until the mid-1980s

in 50 years

so

what the fuck would he think about all this

he would slap the guys around 50 years ago if he didn't think they were legitimate wrestlers then

what would he do with jack perry again this is lufez who we heard at one point or another hated Memphis-type wrestling, gimmicks, didn't want to wrestle on shows with women.

He would have gone apeshit over this show.

But, you know, and she was, again, searching, oh, it's great to be back in St.

Louis, but nevertheless.

Was that it about the FDR match?

No closing thoughts?

Oh, yeah, that was it about the FDR match.

Because, I mean,

what, you know,

they're

meaningless at this point.

They've been booked into irrelevancy and the fans have turned on them and

they've got children to work with.

So, what's to look forward to?

Well, there's more of this cult

to look forward to.

Oh, not to look forward to.

What did you think of Thecla versus Jamie Hayter, where everybody was banned from ringside?

I hope you watched this.

The fact that you asked me first makes me think you didn't.

It was such a train wreck.

It was really bad.

But it was the kind of bad match that pulled me in.

I was like, oh my God, this just keeps getting worse.

I don't know who was the sloppy person or who was just unprepared, but this match was not good.

Then I saw people raving about it on the line, like, what a great women's match.

No, that match was terrible and it was sloppy and it looked like it should be on an indie, not good.

Well, I knew that I had a long schlog ahead of me.

And I was, why, why would I do this to myself this early?

Because,

again, I've got to conserve my energy.

There's only so many times you can have all you can stands and you can't stands no more.

So I'll leave them alone till next time.

Because we had to move forward to the winner gets $500,000 in cash in a fucking duffel bag match.

What the?

So the Hardley boys won $500,000 in the 110-man tag because Moxley didn't want his, so he gave it to them.

But then Nick, who's apparently got a gambling problem, called 1-800 Gambler.

And

he lost it at, you know, the casino in

Indian Lake is a scene that you make with your little one.

I don't know where the fuck they were.

And then they're having another match for a half a million dollars, but it's always in a goddamn duffel bag in cash.

Is this a

number one, a safe and number two, a legitimate way to do business in this day and age, Brian?

I think it's probably a throwback to in the past when that's happened in wrestling.

Like Bobby Heenan had a bag of cash, a duffel bag of cash when Jon Studd had the body slam challenge.

I guarantee you, if he'd had a half a million dollars in a duffel bag, he wouldn't have got out of the fucking dressing room, much less the goddamn arena.

How much money was supposed to be in that box for that battle royal where you got knocked out or the match where you got knocked out?

No, it wasn't even a battle royal.

It was supposed to be.

It turned into a battle royal the night.

Yeah.

There was only supposed to be a few of us in the ring.

Turned into quite a crowd.

I think it was $1,000.

Hart and Cornette will throw $1,000 at the crowd.

Lawler went to the box office.

His mother, Hazel,

sold tickets, worked at the box office.

And he got like $227 and $1 bills and crumpled it up.

So it put it in a box.

It looked like a lot of cash.

And the first fucking two handfuls, that's all I remember.

Folks folks have heard that story but

half a million dollars and again

it's the buckaroos and jungle jack off and dino here we are six years later in the same exact place

and

tony's got one thing here the fans like the lizard

They could give a shit about the other three.

And I know that the lizard is not particularly that good.

We've seen what he's done in the past, but if somebody

could produce him, you could do something with him, and the people like him, but nobody will produce him.

And he's again stuck in this.

It's the kids that want to play on the trampoline and they only interact with their friends.

So

I skipped the first 15 minutes of the match and then dropped in and there was nothing happening and the fans were silent.

And the visual of either one of the

Jackson boys

against Jack Perry, if just not just a WWE fan, but if just a regular person

who is, I know it's a pay-per-view.

You'd have to do it on purpose, but they do this on TV too.

The visual, you would bust out laughing.

Unless they were viewers of, what was it, Matt Rats, Brian from 15 years ago.

But it's the same thing always.

There's no tags.

There's no logic.

Knox is the referee because he just

stands there and puts up with their meaningless dribble.

That's their guy.

Every other referee would probably be embarrassed.

The fans sit there and stare in between the guys doing their tricks,

and then they'll pop if a bump looks like it hurts somebody.

And they make it as choreographed as they can and drag out their multiple false

finishes.

And then

finally, the baby faces double-teamed Maddie over and over in front of the referee and pinned him and won the half million dollars.

So I

the

let that sink in again a minute.

The baby faces double-teamed one of the heels several times and then just pinned him.

Your thoughts on the match before we go to the, oh, you guessed it, there is an aftermirth.

You know, I actually liked it a little better than the average Young Bucks match.

And I think because it wasn't in any way physically

insulting.

Suzanne saw some of this in here and she didn't know who any of these people were.

I had to say that's Dylan McKay from 90210 Son.

That's Luke Perry's son.

You know, and she noticed how thin he is.

He's very, very slight.

Next to him, the Young Bucks looked like big guys on the gas.

And

their stuff isn't as unreasonable.

Look, I mean, their style of match is one thing, but watching them do their moves to someone the size of Jack Perry

makes sense.

So if we can just get smaller and smaller people on the roster.

I think they should only be wrestling small people.

Also, Luchasaurus, super over, like you said.

You know, there's no one there to really teach them how to structure a tag match.

I told Suzanne while she was here.

I don't even remember what point.

It could have been any point.

I said, watch the referee.

Tell me what he's doing.

And it was a point where like there there are multiple, multiple people in the ring.

Rick Knox is just standing in the back at the opposite corner and he kind of moves his hands around a little and says something.

And sometimes it looks like he wants to take a step, but he doesn't.

But I said, What is he doing?

And then another time it was when someone was counting, and it was the longest, most ridiculous count.

But yeah, I actually did not have a problem.

I thought it was for a Young Bucks match, I thought it was all right.

Well, that's faint praise.

But nevertheless, let's get to the point of the whole thing.

Now they've played for 25 minutes or whatever.

So the babyfaces go to leave with the bag of loot, but they stop and turn around

and not only offer their hands for a handshake,

but Perry offers a stack of money to the Bucks.

And what the fuck?

And then suddenly,

Josh Alexander and Mark Davis and Lance Archer jump in and start beating the shit out of Jungle Jack and Dino.

And the Bucks do nothing, but they just get out and walk out.

They go to the entranceway.

And so the heels are getting some sloppy heat.

And then music plays.

And here comes Kenny.

Kenny.

And he stops and talks to the buckaroos.

And he's like, what do you, why don't you do something?

Well, we don't want to.

Well, why don't you do something?

Well, we don't want to.

And then he hits the ring

and he starts fighting the three heels and then jack and dino get up and they start fighting and they run the heels out of the ring at that point

so i get more baby faces that look stupid

here's these whiny little bitches

maddie and nikki and

After they have this 25-minute long match with them, they're not only going to offer a handshake, but here, have some of our money.

Who thinks like that?

And then they get the shit kicked out of them and these guys do nothing after they've offered them money because they're fucking doormats.

These baby faces are not likable.

We'll get to Darby in a little while.

He's doing everything he can

to make the

Darby's one of those people that you like the idea of him when you first see him.

And the more you get to know know about him, the more you think he's an idiot.

But he's doing everything he can to run

common sense people off of his bandwagon.

These are some stupid fucking babyfaces in this booking.

Well, the crazy thing is, I think this is to set up the young Bucks turning babyface shortly down the road.

That's the craziest thing about this.

The awkwardness and them.

and Adam Page, them and Omega, them and Jurassic Express just had this match and they immediately want to be friends friends with the Bucks, and the Bucks leave slowly because they have to think about it.

This is all in the same mindset of the people who thought, Let's make Adam Page a drunk for the next year.

Like, this is the same mindset they're trying to turn them babyfaces this way because eventually, when Omega and the Jurassic Express need help, the Bucks will have to step in.

It

boggles my mind that they don't understand the difference that

you can't switch babyface from being a heel unless you were kind of over or kind of hot as a heel.

And it's awful hard to switch heel, but not as hard as the other way around, but it's hard to switch heel if you're not some level of a babyface to begin with.

But

these guys don't have heat because of their

wrestling performance.

they annoy people.

And their flash in the pan has passed.

And

their own AEW fans now have moved on to shinier things that do at least they do the same shit all the time, but they haven't seen them as long as they've seen the buckaroos.

And they're just people have figured out these are just two smarmy, self-obsessed, delusional children playing games.

So whether they switch baby face, switch heel,

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It's time to get what does that mean?

Back to St.

Louis and back to

AEW Wrestle Dream.

I need a breath.

Hold on.

All right.

Let me stretch my arms and roll my neck.

Oh, boy, the next one was tough to sit through.

The Tornado six-man tag

between Shelton Benjamin, Bobby Lashley, and MVP against Ricochet and the two Stooges.

And remember, I said, explain to me this program.

And

they've done it ass backwards where they had a six-man tag first, then they went to a tag team match, then they've come back to a tornado six-man.

These heels can't work.

This is above them to have a six-way.

And

again,

besides the the fact that the whole story has been convoluted and they've lost out on the opportunity to have the people really pay to see MVP get a hold of Ricochet, which could have been an excellent carrot at the end of a stick if they'd had a coherent plan going into this from the start, and you could have engendered some interest in that.

But the way they've done it, everybody's just beat up everybody.

But nevertheless, the heels can't handle it.

I've said Khan

has potential.

He's athletic.

He can do some moves.

He's still green.

Leone sucks.

And he's just big, and that's the problem.

He's too big to move around.

And when you get him and Lashley against each other through the whole thing, they're just chopping meat.

And it's just blah.

Ricochet can do the gymnastics and the flying shit, but all of his actual wrestling is shite.

And he doesn't have any

natural instincts about how to put a match together.

I can imagine that the Hurt Syndicate tried to put this together, but when you have,

again, no tags and no DQ and no rules

where the heels are going to jump the baby faces in the aisle on the entranceway,

and it's going to be a six-way through the whole thing.

You can't call everything for anybody, much less guys that don't know what the fuck they're doing.

And

a lot of it was spit on the floor.

Either all of them or a few of them at one point, Lashley and Leone just fought for a few minutes while they were doing shit in the ring, and the fans were just staring because the attention is diverted.

The fans don't particularly care about this issue either.

They want to see the Hurt Syndicate throw people around.

And then the tables start

where they've,

now they've got the hurt syndicate doing the same shit that everybody else does, that all the fucking indie guys do.

To get heat, they had the heels put Lashley on a table and then they got Shelton on the steps and double choke slammed him.

Off the steps, onto Lashley, through the table.

And then all three of the heels would beat up MVP, but I was right.

This is brutal to watch was my notes because it's was it sounds more exciting than it was because they're just plodding fucking through it.

Then we had

Lashley made a comeback, but then Lashley versus Ricochet went forever while the other four

hid and watched somewhere.

I wrote, it won't end.

By that point, Leone was either drunk or blown up.

And Shelton woke him up a little bit.

The crowd, he German

ricochet over the top rope onto the heels and dove onto all of them.

But then they still kept going.

And then finally, all three of them

hit Khan with something and beat him one, two, three.

And

I remember Bobby Lashley being in a couple of less than impressive outings in the WWF, but this is the worst Shelton Benjamin match I've ever seen.

And it wasn't his fault because he's not Merlin the Magician.

It was just, it was,

it was

not promising in

layout in advance, and it was rotten in execution.

So that was that.

I'm sorry, but good Lord, this

it hurt my feelings.

Well, we're done with that.

So

for the TNT title, ladies and gentlemen, it was Mark Briscoe against Kyle librarian Felcher.

He comes out with the little glasses and things.

It's just like, what the?

He looks so studious.

Here's the thing.

And of course, I watched this because I like Mark Briscoe, but also I'm now sympathetic to Kyle

because he has talent and he's got so much potential.

And I'm afraid that this is going to be the biggest wasted opportunity for the wrestling industry

that

we're looking at right now.

Braun Breaker's in the WWE and he's going to be in the main event at WrestleMania.

But if you're looking at the next level of guys that are

capable of and have all the tools, Kyle is amongst them.

He's got a great physique.

He's athletic.

He does all the moves well.

He works hard.

He gives it his all.

He needs experience and hair

and a defined personality.

But

the problem is, and we've said it, he's never going to learn here.

He's never going to learn psychology, never going to learn putting a match together right.

He's never going to learn how proper booking goes.

The advanced level shit that you have to know

to be a legitimate big star rather than just being athletic.

And he's going to get.

none of this here because even if people are telling him one thing, they're putting him in this

kind of environment

where

his booking on TV is manager is not really a manager, and the booking is back and forth, and every match has to do every goddamn thing.

And,

you know, nevertheless.

But I feel bad for him because he could be a boon to the business.

Maybe he's young enough when he gets out of there and he gets to the other place

that, you know, he won't be too old to learn new tricks.

I wanted this to be a wrestling match because they can both do it.

But at the same time, they're down on the floor doing the stunts with the chair.

And okay, yes, some of that is Briscoe's gimmick.

But they've already done that shit in the last one.

Get in the ring.

Let's use the ring once in a while.

And

then Mark

goes for the cannonball flip off the apron of the ring, but Kyle ducks out of the way and Mark busts his ass hard on the floor.

So the heel didn't cheat to stop the babyface.

He outsmarted the baby face.

Nobody's letting them think about these things or making them think.

They're coming up with ideas for what they can do in the match.

And there's nobody sitting there to remind them, hey, whoa, what about the, oh, shit, you're right.

If you don't think about something, nobody brings it up because there's no control.

And then Kyle turned the stairs sideways and powerbombed Mark on the stairs while the referee stood there and watched it.

This wasn't supposed to be the no disqualification.

Anything goes match, Brian.

It was all the other ones.

And then Kyle just got in the ring, and Mark beat the count, and it turned into another regular match.

The guy's just been powerbombed on the fucking stairs.

So then

Mark fought back because the power bomb didn't stop him for too long.

And they started trading fake forearms where it looked like neither one of them can work or both of them can work.

One would think that

somebody would be enterprising enough to realize I'm not going to do this drech that everyone else is doing.

And then Mark made a comeback and it got complicated.

They went back and forth.

It was a cold single match.

They kind of lost people with too much.

What the fuck is going on?

They got on the top turnbuckle.

They struggled forever.

Mark carefully helped Kyle give him a superplex off the top rope,

and they both sold forever.

I'm thinking that they're about to go home.

They roll to the floor.

Mark Briscoe then gives Kyle a Jade driller on the apron of the ring.

And then they fall to the floor and sell forever.

And then

Mark rolls Kyle in, goes for the elbow off the top.

Kyle moves.

He's just been J-drillered on the apron of the ring.

Now they're both fine because they're up.

Mark gives an elbow off the top rope onto Kyle, who's standing on the floor, which was neat.

That was a cool looking move, not after all the goddamn hospitalization angles.

And then he rolled Kyle in and gave him a froggy bow off the top and got a two count.

I'm like, God damn it, we're 20 minutes in.

What the fuck?

Now, then they started kicking out of roll-ups.

They followed J-Drillers on the apron and powerbombs on the stairs with the best of Tony Charles and Billy Robinson.

And then Mark hit another J-Driller and got a two-count and Fletcher got to ropes.

And then, after all of that, we're closing in on 25 minutes.

Briscoe puts Kyle up in the torture rack.

Kyle grabs the referee's shirt, like to steady himself and pull the referee toward him.

He drops behind Mark, does Kyle.

When Mark swings and Kyle ducks, Mark holds up so he doesn't hit the referee.

Brian, how far would you have estimated that the referee was when mark briscoe stopped his swing short when he 10 or 12 feet away from him what do you think it was a good distance he was all the way back in the corner of the ring

so mark holds up like oh my god i almost punched in your general direction

Kyle gives Mark a little shove in the back.

Mark takes one step toward the referee, and the referee turns and cowers in the corner like he's seen a truck coming at him.

And then when he does that, Kyle kicks Briscoe in the balls

while the referee is obviously trying not to look.

He looked up and he looked around.

My God.

And then Kyle hits Briscoe with a brainbuster.

Cover.

One, two, kick out.

He kicked out of that.

Then Kyle gave him a knee lift, got a two count.

Then Kyle long darted him into the turnbuckle and gave him another knee lift and gave him a brain buster on the top turnbuckle.

One, two, three.

What the fuck?

Why did they even do the spot with the referee?

The heel could have cheated and won,

but instead,

he beats him clean and flat.

Briscoe has no out.

He just got beat flat by this guy with numerous fucking moves.

It didn't get any heat on Kyle,

except he's a bad heel because he cheated and it still didn't work.

The execution looked phony,

but thank God that Briscoe in the end just was not as good as the heel because.

The heel just beat him.

The fuck are they doing?

I don't know.

And they did it for a while.

The spot that, not that it was the greatest thing in the world before it, but the spot that really lost me was the superplex just because of them setting it up.

It's like when you see guys

going slow and the other one just not moving, just breathing, waiting, and they're helping each other, it takes me out of shit.

And grabbing on in the right place gently so that they hit.

Yeah, and then it went another like 10 minutes after that and did a whole bunch of other shit.

yeah.

Well, and that's the thing.

A lot of people will say, Well, they, you know, they got to be careful up there because they might fall off and hurt them.

Exactly,

you don't have to be up there if you can't do it where it doesn't look cooperative.

Just don't do it wherever it transpires, top of the ropes or out on the floor, whatever.

That used to be a goddamn legitimate requirement.

If

some green guy came to territory and did shit two or three nights in a row that looked phony,

the referee or the opponent or somebody would tell the office and

that wouldn't happen no more.

And a guy probably wouldn't be there

because that was the important thing.

It's not

what goofy thing can I think of that people will pop because it looks like I may have committed suicide.

But what's not insulting to the professionalism of the goddamn industry?

You know, you'd always hear about like the Crockett shows in the late 80s,

how there were so many talented wrestlers, it was almost like they were trying to one-up each other.

You know, how's someone going to follow the Midnight Express?

Well, how's someone going to follow Arn Anderson?

How's someone going to follow Ric Flair?

You know what I mean?

But it wasn't like, all right, we need to be able to do as much as we can because they're going to do it.

Let's do something completely crazy and fuck ourselves up.

Yes.

Just to make sure that we get over a little bit more than the other match.

And also, and they're, again,

stealing the show is by going out, and in the time that you're allotted and the fucking parameters of the goddamn rules of the game,

you have a match where the issue behind you, and you're over with the people, and the match brings them on the emotional roller coaster and pays off with a big pop at the end.

And the guys used to be able to do that in any number of different ways.

I mean,

on like a big TBS special or potentially a sellout in Charlotte or Philadelphia or whatever, Ricky Morton would kick out of the rocket launcher at two and nine tenths.

And we would be

60 seconds from the goddamn hot tag and the fucking comeback and the finish.

That was, we didn't need to just.

Nobody was doing unauthorized juice.

You got blood when you were told to.

Nobody was,

you know, more than an occasional rattling around of a timekeeper's chair, was engaging in a bunch of furniture or going 15 minutes past their time or whatever.

You had parameters, but you could still do it differently than the other people.

Well, speaking of shit that has no parameters,

would you like to talk about the women's title match with Tony Storm and Chris Statlander?

Yeah, I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

Well, my thoughts are that it

was still going 20 fucking minutes after they started the thing.

They started with the Tony Storm style Hollywood video,

and I determined that that was a good place to make up time.

And I fast-forwarded 20 minutes, and they were still fucking going.

and the part that i saw was that they german suplexed each other but each one of them just popped right up and neither one sold it

and

then statlander

clotheslined her and hit her with a kind of a tombstone maneuver that's not where she picks her up at a tombstone position but then

goes forward and slams her on her back an inverted upside down styles clash, whatever.

Does that paint the picture in people's minds if they don't know what I'm talking about?

Kind of, yeah.

Okay,

so

she hit her with that deal,

and then

she got Statlander did

a head scissors,

an old-fashioned head scissors on Tony Storm in the middle of the ring and was cranking it, as you should, working the hold.

And Tony Storm was struggling, and Statlander was keeping it, and Tony Storm was waving her arm and struggling.

And I'm thinking, boy, after

almost 20 minutes of match or whatever, they've made a curious decision to just slow down and become completely immobile here in the ring at this point.

And after one minute and 20 seconds of being in the head scissors and completely immobile,

Statlander let her go, picked her up, and gave her the same move she'd just given her before the inverted styles clash.

One, two, three.

What in the actual fuck is going on here?

And then they hugged each other.

Of course.

And Tony Storm left.

She didn't even have to give her a want of cash like Jack Perry tried to do with the Young Bucks.

Tony Storm was their star.

And I'm using the term was now because that's apparently that relationship is coming to an end, at least with the fans, if not the office.

But

I can understand if they turn somebody strong heel

and that person came in and upset Tony Storm.

But Stanlander,

is she a heel?

Is she a babyface?

We don't really know.

I don't think she knows.

This whole thing started with a a goddamn four-way fucking match.

And then,

regardless of what it is, you have a match on pay-per-view

where a woman or a man gave the opponent a move, got a stationary hold on him for almost a minute and a half, picked him up and gave him the move again and pinned him one, two, three.

That's kind of as flat as you can fucking get.

And then

they hug each other because Tony Storm's like, Well, yeah, okay, I guess I'm a piece of shit.

Like she vadered herself here, I'll hug you.

Who gives a shit?

And she's gone.

And then

they play music,

and Mercedes Moon comes out with the job, guys, wearing all of her outlaw title belts.

And she stripper dances to the ring

and gets the microphone and tells Statlander

to get out of her ring, and she does.

That was the surprising part.

Not that the heel said that,

but the babyface has to do something.

Babyface can't leave when the heel says that, and she just walks out.

Oh, yes, she can, because she did.

With a kind of put her head down and like, why I ought to, and turn around and left

like a whipped puppy.

And

so I don't understand

how that

by that line of logic, Mercedes Moan ought to just wipe her feet on Tony Storm's face

because she just completely verbally punked out the person that just beat Tony Storm.

And then she cut a promo and saying she was Ultimo Moan now.

Brian, how many people

in the United States today do you think understand this whole Ultimo Guerrero 30 years ago had 10 belts thing?

I think the most important person does, Tony Khan.

Could it be

more than a couple of hundred thousand

that maybe are still alive when they were watching wrestling at that point in time?

I think it's to the point where anyone who remembers any of this from the 90s who was not a fan of Japanese wrestling, just picked up on it like from wcw may not even remember which wrestler had all the belts

do they know ultimo guerrero from hoovantude guerrero

well no there's not really or ultimo dragon and ultimo guerrero are two different people oh i will see there and there's another one and ultimo guerrero is not i don't believe he's related to huventude guerrero Well, then who's Ultimo Dragon related to?

Because he got to be related to somebody or they wouldn't wouldn't have given him 10 belts.

That's Acai, isn't it?

Well, I'll see you later.

Is Acai related to Ishii?

I opened my see, these are questions we have.

See, this whole thing, it's she's a mark in her mind.

Nobody's ever heard of these obscure,

small, independent girls' promotions that she's going around and apparently giving them a break on the

to

what?

I don't think it's girls' promotions.

I think it's promotions that have girls' matches, but you know, just like AEW or WWE now.

Girls' belts, girls' titles.

The point is, they're small, independent, obscure, whatever, but she's probably even giving them a break on her rate since Tony Khan's paying her.

And she gets to win their belt because it's a big deal to her to hold all these belts that mean nothing.

So now they're, and she says, who's next to challenge me?

And out comes Mina Mellons.

They added a match and it was a Mercedes-Moan match.

And now that's three girls' matches

in the first three hours, two and a half hours, this goddamn marathon pay-per-view.

And I fast-forwarded another 20 minutes and they were just then finished.

You had in the middle of what people paid for

between Mercedes and Mina and Storm and Stat,

it was a goddamn lifetime movie for 45 or 50 minutes on this thing.

I thought the Mina Monet match was pretty good.

Mina Monet?

No, no, not Mina Monet.

The Mina.

I was just using without versus versus Monet.

Mercedes-Mellons match is what you're saying.

No one would say that.

We would say Mina Melon.

We wouldn't say that either.

We'd say Mina Shirakawa versus Mercedes-Monet.

Well, if it wasn't a melon, it was sure a lemon.

All right.

Would you like to get to the match that I watched with fascination?

Just fascination.

Yeah, what's that?

The tag team title match.

You know, because I'm a tag team expert.

They just uploaded Midnight and Rock and Roll two hours on the WWE Vault channel on YouTube.

Everybody can bask in our greatness.

So I want to see Bandito and Burger King against Okada and Tega Shit

because I have a perverse fascination in watching this guy.

I can't

look away from Okada.

He's like, he's a human soma.

I'm fascinated at how I've never seen a human being in a wrestling ring that was more, that was flat-footed and blank-faced

and that had

less energy or emotion or moves as slowly and deliberately as possible, does the least that he can possibly do at any given moment.

And every once in a while, he'll remind you he's still living and he'll uncork a dropkick or something.

And then otherwise, it's that stoop-shouldered,

confused expression with

just sleepwalking through life.

He's fascinating.

He's making millions to do this.

So I will say, I thought he had his best dropkick in AEW in this match when Bandito came off the top rope.

Well, Well, bless him.

Right, that was a $742,000 dropkick.

If you prorate

the fucking moves

with his goddamn annual salary.

So all four of them did moves to each other over and over.

Aubrey Ed

just stood there slack-jawed like she was staring at a fresh bag of oats and let them all do it.

And then everybody comes the period where they're all selling.

The whole match came to a stop.

And then

there was some kind of slow-motion, fake-looking shit from

Bandito and Take a Shit.

And then they tagged Okada and Brody King back in.

I was like, they're lost.

They got to be lost.

Because this is not.

going the way that they're they laid out.

Obviously,

the babyfaces double-teamed Okada over and over while the referee continued staring.

And then more nothing happened.

And then they met another babyface tag.

And

I wrote, this is a mess.

And then they all did more shit to each other.

And then more nothing.

And we were 25 minutes into this thing.

And I wrote, why is this horse-faced goof supposed to be a referee if she's just going to watch the heels double-team the babyface and just make funny faces.

So that was an observation.

And then Okada hit take accidentally with the clothesline, but then he gave him the finger.

And then finally, Bandito got Okada with that flippy little goofy German suplex where the guy has to bend over and hold the ropes like he's either going to be searched by the police or prison penetrated.

And one, two, two, three.

27-minute match.

Your thoughts?

I thought it was all right.

The fans are really into Brodito.

But it's interesting that no matter how much the fans are into someone on the show, it could be Tony Storm, could be Brodito, could be anyone.

They get deathly silent at times in matches, like moments after they were just chanting or screaming.

Like completely awkward silent.

Like you almost cringe watching this.

Well, that's they they

pop on, as I said, the things that look like they hurt.

When their chosen favorite or anybody in some of the slower matches shows signs of life and like they're kicking into it, they start reacting almost like encouraging, yes, please go now.

And they'll have a big exchange that'll get a reaction.

Then everybody will continue to lay there for so fucking long because they have to do so much more

that people are like, oh, goddamn, thought that was it.

Really wanted it to be it, but eh.

But we were ready for the World Heavyweight Championship to be on the line, Brian.

Yes, we were.

See, that's what he ought to do.

If Paige insists on being a nerd and calling it the men's world championship,

then they have to call it the men's world heavyweight championship and the women's world heavyweight championship.

So you got to be fair.

Oh, three and a half hours into the pay-per-view and with another, what was the pre-show?

Was it an hour, hour and a half?

We don't know.

And they're ringing the bell for this match.

Remember, I said, okay,

if they're switching Joe Babyfay or baby, if they're switching Joe Heal,

I'm into this

because he definitely needs to be elevated

but I think I thought they would kind of switch him heel before they beat him

but hey it's a choice nevertheless

Joe without tipping the the the thing off at the end

He established himself as the more heelish, the rougher guy, a little bit more of a hothead, so that that would leave the more sympathetic baby face position open for Paige.

The problem

that I see is

Paige can't establish himself as a babyface because he does the same shit in the same way,

with the same expression and the same execution,

with the same level of urgency in every match he has.

Brian, is there any difference in the way he ever acts or does the things that he does or do?

No,

Whether it's the promos or the matches, it's always a guy who's kind of got a chip on his shoulder because there's a dump in his pants and he just wants to get in the back and get a new pair of pants.

I got a chip on my shoulder and a dump in my pants.

Well, then.

That'll be on my new album.

Ray Brian Last Boombaye coming soon.

There's that chip on his shoulder and dump in his pants, guy.

They did a spot that popped me, and then I realized they did it accidentally.

Paige went for that stupid moonsault he does in every match off the top turnbuckle to the floor without looking where his opponent is.

But the first time he went for it, as he was about to go, he looked down and he saw Joe standing on the floor in front of him.

He's got like, what the fuck?

And he got down.

I thought that popped me.

At least they finally did it.

And then later on, seconds later, I realized, no, he was going to go for it then.

And Joe wasn't in the right place.

And he looked down and fucking saw him for a shoot.

Because again, they tried again.

And this time, Joe walked away from it.

Joe was already in the walk away position.

I guess he walked away too soon the first time.

I don't know.

But

when Joe walked away,

he was was 10 feet from where Paige landed in the first place before he started walking away.

And then the camera missed Paige rolling up to his feet.

The announcers tried to save it.

And he dropkicked Joe.

But now

they've been on the floor for two minutes just trying to do this nonsense that Paige can't

not do.

And then they got heat on dip shit, but then he fired up and went for the moonsault again.

And this time they've set it up where

as Paige is going up to the top for the moonsault, Joe's going to roll into the ring and Paige is going to turn and moonsault into the ring and outsmart him.

He did moonsault into the ring, but he didn't outsmart him.

He overshot him.

He completely went past Samoa Joe, who was stationary, immobile, not moving, and landed with a thud way over on the other side of him.

And then covered Joe for a two-count.

And Nigel even tried to kind of halfway explain it, but he got stuck in the middle and buried himself for bringing it up.

You got to, that's a thing.

Paige is going to do all this shit.

And you can't not, it looks phony, and he can't not do it.

They fought on the turnbuckle.

One would think Alexander Dabushi might have put some people off of that.

So Joe could bend over and hold still for 11 seconds.

I counted for Paige to sunset, flip him, powerbomb him off the top.

And then finally, Paige foiled the muscle buster and hit a dead eye for a two count.

And then Paige hit three buck shots in a row.

One, two, three.

And at least this was only 20 minutes.

But now

we've established that Paige just

beat Joe flat out.

Boom.

With no,

there was no goddamn out for Joe.

Joe didn't accidentally hurt himself or bad luck didn't go his way or whatever.

Paige just beat him, right, Brian?

With three of his finishes.

Yeah, beat him cleanly.

Samoa Joe could do nothing nothing but respect that.

Well, and the fans can do nothing but say, okay, we've seen it now.

And that's when

Hobbs and Shapupi come in the ring and help Joe up.

And they are chanting for Joe and they're cheering for Joe.

Because all along, these people are predisposed to like Samoa Joe and he's believable.

And he can talk.

And he can have these matches that you can buy him in, which is why he gets over.

And then Joe shakes Paige's hand and hugs him and raises his hand and then clothes lies him out of his boots.

And all the heels get on Paige and then Joe hits him over the head with the title belt.

And then he gives him the muscle buster with the title belt.

And the crowd is hot.

And

I wish he would have laid out Shapupi too, because that guy's just an anchor around the neck.

Hobbs looked great.

Joe's the head guy.

Shapupi's standing there with his dick in his hand.

But the doctors carted the carcass of Paige out.

So

they beat him flat and then they turned him.

If there had been something

Joe was on the verge of winning

and he had bad luck,

or Paige

foiled something in such a way that Joe was hampered,

and then he hits him with his finish once out of nowhere.

But now they've just had their match.

Joe did everything he could do, and then Paige hit him with his finish three times, one, two, three.

yes joe should be mad that he lost and he could turn heel

but he could be mad at losing and turn heel

because he still feels it was unfair he lost something else happened

but so now they've settled the issue and now they're going to rematch it i guess i would think

But the only way that works is if Joe wins a bounce from him,

which hopefully hopefully will happen

your thoughts Brian you asked me I think last week if I thought they were going to turn Samoa Joe heel and I said no I didn't think so just because it didn't seem like the right thing to do the fans actually respond to him

even though he's been better as a heel in the past

well they did it here after he was beat cleanly

After he was beat cleanly by the champion, they turned him here with his stable.

It's been a while since Hobbes was a heel.

Shabbat, I don't think we've ever seen as a heel.

How would we know?

I don't know what else to add there, but we'll see what happens.

Samoa Joe, another heel run.

But you think for them to do this, he has to win the belt?

Well, no, he doesn't have to, and he probably won't.

I'm just saying the only way that it would make this make sense is if he did,

but he's not going to, so it ain't going to make sense.

All right, we are back

as if we ever left.

But, Jim, there's one more match, the big main event, although that was the world title match, the match everyone was waiting for, the IQIP match, Darby Allen versus Jon Moxley.

Well, let me go ahead and point something out now that we haven't talked about because I wanted to save it for this.

But

did you notice one thing, Brian, that they had They had the tables and they had all the fighting on the floor and they had all the various businesses, the kicking out of finishers.

What manner, what method of excess did you not see on this show that you normally see from an AEW big event?

What method of excess?

So, something we usually see, not like a gun, just something that's excessive.

Something that normally you see to excess on AEW that you hadn't so far on this show,

I don't

the blood

the blood

because where were they

st louis missouri missouri has an athletic commission oh that's right and i was waiting to see what they were going to pull

because

i mean this whole match was

what you would expect you know moxley is a homeless tweaker whose fucking idol is the bank addicted drug robber nick gage and Darby Allen is the frustrated host of his own jackass show in his mind.

And they're going to do some stupid shit,

but they went even farther into the stupid shit.

Cause you can't tell me that both these guys, one or both of them, wouldn't be drenched in blood

in an IQuit match with all the other shit they've done, except they had a responsible governing body saying no.

And if Missouri is like Kentucky, it was a state statute that not only was

self-inflicted bleeding, and that's the way they phrased it, was illegal.

You couldn't do it.

But that if this was Kentucky, I don't know about Missouri.

If you had

accidental blood, you were supposed to end the match, go home as quickly as possible, or elsewhere

it would be stopped by the commission.

Now, I don't, again, I'm not up on the current Missouri law since I don't give a shit, but one would think that this played a part in this.

But at the same time, and I know somebody's going, oh, but Darby was bleeding from the mouth.

That was a gimmick.

That was some gimmick because if anybody got started bleeding like he did from the mouth and they didn't pack it with fucking ice, it wouldn't have stopped on its own.

But that's the way they got around that shit.

They had a little blood,

but there's a self-inflicted and/or however they phrase it, if their blade is involved, whatever.

But this was just,

I know some people call it torture porn,

but it wasn't really believable enough for that, would it?

If somebody was going to get off on all this screwy mutilation shit, it looked too phony for that.

It's just, it was like a snuff exhibition.

Yes, it like a

it wasn't full full contact, ladies and gentlemen.

It was a sparring session of snuffing.

And Darby's going to try to kill himself, but, you know, they're not really going to try to kill each other.

But that's,

you can't really

understand what goes through these people's minds.

They do 18 hospitalization angles in a match.

They try to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

They try to make

everything about wrestling accentuate the bad taste element.

And also, at the same time, when you see one of these things, you understand why the Sheiks matches only went seven minutes.

Not only was it chaos, but you didn't have really time to think about it.

Holy shit.

And it was over.

So they're four hours into the show and the plus the pre-show.

By the time they ring the bell on this thing,

Darby takes out the AEW flag out of his backpack and puts it, lays it out in the middle of the ring over the top of the AEW logo,

which was bigger.

And then

Darby, they get in a flurry.

Darby hits a dive and they fight on the floor for a second.

They get in the ring and Moxley stopped him.

So the babyface got a dropkick and a dive and got shut down in the main event.

I know it's his gimmick to sell and be the underdog, but

Moxley takes a chain around his fist, punches him over and over, and that's where they did the blood from the mouth.

And then he gets, Moxley gets a handful of shrimp skewers or whatever they're used for in the barbecue world

and used one to stick it under Darby's fingernail.

Shish kebab.

Shish kebab.

There you go.

But kebab in England is a different thing.

Did I tell you that?

No.

We were in England and they said, hey, you want some kebabs?

Fuck yeah.

To me, that is large chunks of meat on a skewer grilled, right?

They gave me something that looked like Dalmatian shit and a dirty diaper.

I don't know what the fuck was going on there.

It's called Merry Old England.

That's what it is.

Well,

I can under, I don't know about Mary, but it'll make you old.

So Darby got the flag and wrapped it around Moxley's neck and hung him.

But then he missed a coffin drop off the top rope onto the apron and bounced

sickeningly onto the floor.

And then Moxley took Darby's belt off and whipped the shit out of him with his own belt.

And

again, at the same time, I'm saying all this stuff is happening, the pace is glacial.

Oh, go ahead well i was gonna say

i can't speak for you i don't know what your experience was i watched it live

and not that i was looking forward to this match but it was the main event we're going to talk about and i have to watch it i want to watch it live i don't want to have to return to it

i did amazon prime prime video once again this is where it cut off

like all of a sudden around here i heard about that yeah just a still frame that was like pink purple i don't know what it was

And then it told me that it was because I was playing Amazon Prime on too many TVs.

There was one TV I was playing it on.

That was the error code I got.

But apparently, other people got it.

I had to return to the match the next day.

I got a $15 credit from Amazon.

Well, and that's again something that that was only that service, right?

Or did they have a couple of problems on a couple of different services, but they said it wasn't AEW's issue, but there were some type of issues.

There were two issues on Amazon Prime.

One during Mercedes-Monet versus Mina Shirakawa, that may have been like a minute, but here during the main event, that was it for the rest of the night.

I had to go to Twitter to see fucking highlights because people just kept posting them of everything that happened.

And then I watched the match complete the next day.

Well, I envy you.

See, I wouldn't have cared enough to come back, but as I watched the replay to begin with, they had it all in one piece by the time I got there.

But that's the thing is that

Moxley's whipping him to death with the fucking belt and he gives him a pile driver, but Moxley's also doing the stuff where he just wanders around and shows that he's mentally conflicted and impaired in some fashion.

And then

Darby stood up and grabbed the rope, the ring rope.

and bent over again, like in the frisk me or prison penetrate me position

and asked Moxley to whip him some more.

Come on, motherfucker.

So Moxley did about 10 more times.

Is the babyface supposed to be a complete imbecile?

Why are you supposed to root for a guy that

is that some kind of Japanese fighting spirit indie thing they've got from the indie wrestling over there?

Because When I was young,

the babyface was not supposed to be a fucking moron

that you didn't give a shit about because he brought it on himself or he's stupid enough that he's letting it happen.

And then Moxley walked over and talked to Marina Schaefer, and Darby jumped up and made a comeback, and then Moxley cut him off again.

But then Darby got lighter fluid out of his bag and squirted it all over Moxley, but Moxley was rolling around in it like he couldn't get away, like Vince swimming in the fucking beer truck beer that time.

And then here comes Wheeler Useless and Danny Garcia.

They run out, but Darby sprays them in the face with mace.

But Moxley stops him again.

And Moxley gets in Darby's bag and gets the taser.

They fight over the taser, but Schaefer comes in and nutshots Darby.

And then Moxley tasers him and curb stomps him

and gets a chair from Claudio and sets it up and gives him a double arm DDT on the chair.

And of course, this is an I quit match, so they can't cover because there's no pins.

But did you notice also, Brian, what else there wasn't?

What?

A referee with a microphone.

Oh, for an I quit match, of course.

It's an I quit match.

The whole idea is I'm going to make you say I quit.

No, I'm going to say you make I quit.

I'm going to, you know what I'm saying.

Oh, yeah.

I'm not saying I quit.

But

the referee doesn't have the, they're not using the microphone.

They're not trying to put a guy in a position where he says, I quit to the people, which is the resolution of the thing.

From all the famous I quit matches down through history, including.

Magnum and Tully, which everybody remembers, but that wasn't the first one by a long stretch.

You want to hear the fucking guy say, I quit.

So they're just doing this shit to each other.

And then

Schaefer and Pack set up a table on the floor.

Moxley got his choke on Darby.

And of course, Darby then responds by flipping the double bird.

So Moxley let him go.

And Claudio came in and picked him up, pressed him over his head, and threw him from the ring to the announce desk where he bounced off the top top and landed on the floor.

10, 12, 15 feet.

And then Pac goes and grabs him and drags him bodily by an arm or a leg or whatever around the ring and gave him to Moxley,

who gave him the double arm DDT off the apron through two tables.

And the fans were so

worried about Darby, concerned about their hero,

in terror that the babyface might be permanently injured, that they started chanting, this is murder.

This is murder.

It's a joke to them.

It's a joke.

By the way, though, watching at home,

it did look like a murder.

I was concerned for Darby.

It did look like this guy.

Yes, but they don't care.

They don't care.

Yes, he's fucked up mentally and now physically.

They don't care.

So then there was long

arguing with the referee.

Moxley's yelling at Darby to quit.

Nothing happened forever.

And then

a couple of the stooges put a fish tank, a fish tank in the middle of the ring

and then dumped two coolers of water in it.

Did you hear what Sockface said when when they were doing this?

Oh my god, they can't do this.

Do what?

Have goldfish?

How would he know what they were going to

do?

He sees a fish tank in the ring, and it's oh my god, he's going to try to drown him.

It's a 10-gallon tank, it only fit his fucking head.

You could punch the side of that thing just to break it.

Well,

we'll do more on that to come.

But Moxley takes Darby and dunks him in the tank.

And he's like, give up, and he's dunking him in the tank.

And

so again, Darby Allen sat around homeless in his car

because he's an irresponsible juvenile delinquent that couldn't grow up and become an adult.

And he thought of all the goofy shit that he would ever do if he got on jackass.

And meanwhile, Moxley

was somewhere in an alleyway sharing a carafe of meth with Nick Gage,

trying to figure out all the things they do.

And he dunks Darby over and over

until the lights go out.

And when the lights come back on, it stings grandfather Ulysses S.

Borden.

He gives so few fucks about wrestling now, he didn't even dye his hair.

He looks like Santa Claus and Colonel Sanders had a baby.

And I'm a sting is what?

Is he a year or two years older than me?

Probably.

So

he's gone gray,

but

God damn it.

It's Sting, but doesn't he look ridiculous when he literally has the Sting face paint and the Sting clothing on and he looks like Harlan Sanders?

I didn't think it was that ridiculous.

Obviously, it's a retired real estate broker who's just

having a good time on the weekend.

I didn't have a problem with that.

And it seemed like the fans were into it.

It's noticeable that he had a lot of facial hair.

I think that stood out.

But dying, dying, if you're going to come back and be sting, that's why I don't make public appearances.

I don't want to be Jim Cornette.

I don't want to wear a fucking tie.

But if you're going to come back,

be the guy.

If you came back, do you think you would have to dye your hair or could you be you?

I wouldn't because I wasn't Sting and I'm not completely gray.

God damn, the

physical figure that I cut, they'd be surprised I wasn't in an iron lung, but it's Sting.

He's not supposed to look like Father Time.

I didn't you thought he looked that bad.

I mean, he was covered up, he was wearing a lot of clothes, so you couldn't see what his body looked like.

It kind of seems his fucking head and his chin.

He looked like a billy goat.

He looked like the Shroud of Tarin.

God damn it.

Nevertheless,

he had the bat and he choked Moxley with the bat and he hit the stooges with the bat and he broke the fish tank and all the water floods out all over the ring.

And then he handed the bat to Darby and left.

And he grabbed Marina Schaefer and put her over his shoulder and carried her off with him.

So now Darby has a bat.

What does Moxley do?

As Darby points the bat at Moxley, Moxley laughs at him and starts advancing on him.

And Darby's got the bat, the end of the bat against Moxley's chest.

And Moxley's still gaining ground.

Moxley took it and put it against his forehead.

Aren't you supposed to be scared of the guy with the bat?

Yeah, by the way, if you're the guy with the bat and the other guy just tried to drown you, hit him with the bat.

Hit him with the bat.

But he put it on his own head, like, go ahead and hit me.

What are you going to do?

So, Darby gut shot at him and then hit him in the back and then hit him in the leg twice

and then put the bat down to get the flag and choke him with the flag.

If you have hit a son of a bitch with a baseball bat four times and he's still on his feet, are you going to put the bat down to choke him with a flag?

Are you going to keep using the fucking bat?

Let me go.

Let me sit in this puddle and grab this flag.

Jesus Christ.

That was kind of always my rule of thumb.

Once I'd hit a son of a bitch with the racket, a guy out of the crowd, I didn't stop hitting him till the cops got there.

Because if you stop, they will hit you back.

No nuts.

Anyway,

so then Darby hit him with the scorpion death drop and a coffin drop after he had hit him with a bat five times.

And then got the scorpion death lock.

And as soon as he turned it over, the referee checked.

Okay.

And he called it without ever,

you never heard Moxley say, I quit in an I quit match.

It didn't happen.

He just, he shook his head.

No.

And then I think he said, yes, maybe.

No, that was super quick.

It was super anticlimactic, I think.

And considering everything that happened in this match and everything Darby had gone through,

that was as big a fart as you could have for a finish.

And wasn't there a controversy one time

many years ago over an

high-profile I quit match where the heel got out of it by saying yes, yes, rather than actually saying I quit and people were pissed off about it?

I think that's actually legitimately Tully Blanchard's argument that he never said I quit.

He just said

it was Tully,

Tully and Magnum, the argument.

Jesus Christ.

So they can't even steal from the good stuff.

But

Terry Funk did it the cleanest I've ever seen.

Like, yes, Ric Flair, I quit.

Because he was a professional, and that's what it was supposed to be.

But

here's my thing, and I'll say this, and you make any comments you want to make.

I hear all the time: well,

you got to do more now because the people are smarter.

Or the people, you know, but you got to get more to get a redo more to get a reaction.

So, when people

took wrestling seriously, for the, when these I quit matches or Texas death matches or any of these matches, when they were invented, when they were done for years and years,

when people

took it seriously because it was presented seriously,

this kind of match wouldn't have gotten over because it was so phony and obviously bullshit.

The fans wouldn't have believed it and they would have turned on it.

But now

that people know that they're working, that everybody's smart and it's a show,

and Darby is actually doing this stuff on purpose and/or agreeing to it,

doesn't this just let people know that the babyface is an imbecile?

And also, why should I be doing anything other than laughing at how stupid it is?

Because even if people are really getting hurt, they're agreeing to it.

So,

should a guy work shit to make people believe it's real and he's a hero?

Or should he really cripple himself

to get people to laugh at him and talk about what a goofy is because it's all phony?

which which

which one should go on

again that's part of the issue at aew and always has been the booking the logic or lack of logic but they call it logic that they put behind the feuds the buildups the payoffs the things people kick out of the things that happen the lack of arrests

all of it

you know the only people getting arrested are the fans

Did you see that video clip from the other day?

There's another.

Yeah, actually, someone emailed it to me.

There's another fan.

There's another AEW fan.

I don't know what the whole video was because I only checked out a little bit of the link, but it was a catch-a-predator kind of setup where they went to this guy's house with a camera.

He was supposed to be meeting some

underage minor girl or whatever, and he's watching AEW on the body camera footage of the talk that he's having with the guy, you're hearing Shivani calling to fucking action.

Yeah, at one point, the guy's like trying to, you know, get him on tape at Midney Sing.

The guy's like, no, I don't come to a 14-year-old girl.

And as he's like rambling in his weird twang, you just hear in the background like,

you're like, oh, shit, I know what show he's watching.

Speaking of the commentary,

awful all night.

I think Nigel does a good job, and Nigel needs to be with the right person.

Excalibur is not good at getting the big moments

and not playing too much with the other idiots when they play.

He's just not a lead commentator.

He's not a good commentator.

Unfortunately, that's not going to change, but that holds AEW back.

Shiavani,

if he was a horse, you would take him out back and shoot him.

Poor Tony.

He is so bad.

He doesn't add anything.

He doesn't say, literally, as something's happening, he'll be like, this is the the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Or, wow, this is what AEW is all about.

As something's happening, he doesn't give it a chance to breathe.

He doesn't give it a chance to happen.

He's already trying to put over the company.

He adds nothing on commentary.

They really should just redo everything with commentary.

But yeah, the match, it's what you expect from Moxley, let alone Darby.

And I don't think it's very good.

And at times, the fans just sat there.

Moxley

was doing like the Roman Reigns thing of acting out and talking out his thing, his issues, and you realize it doesn't make any sense.

I'm trying to save you or I'm trying to make whatever he's trying to do.

I don't even understand.

It's been over a year.

What is he trying to do?

So, yeah, the match, hopefully it's over with these two guys,

but it probably isn't.

We said hopefully it's over with Moxley and the Death Riders after he lost the belt.

And it got worse.

And somehow.

There's more of them now.

Yeah, it somehow got worse.

And, you know, Tony Kahn

loves him some Jon Moxley.

And I'm sure we'll talk more about that later in the drive-through.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure that they would have been bathing in blood, too, had there not been a commission.

But when you think about it, if they went to the commission and said, what about if we put a fish tank in the ring and dunk the guy's head in it?

Well, there's no.

specific statute barring that.

It's never actually come up before.

But again, the question, you know, it's an unanswered thing at this point.

Why?

Like, why did, in character, in gimmick, in Kayfabe, trying to make sense of this, why, if Moxley,

I don't know if he wants Darby on his side, whatever the hell it is.

Why is he doing these things where he's clearly not going to kill him?

They keep doing these things to people where, like, we want you to think we're going to kill you, but you will not die.

I don't understand what any of this is.

Besides that,

in the scenario that they've set up and the logic universe that they've created, why don't Claudio and Wheeler and Pac and Marina just come out with bats and just all beat him into fucking jelly when the thing starts?

There's no reason to go through all of that.

Hey, in the logic of AEW, why don't they just ban everyone from ringside?

Well, they can only do that if the Continental title's on the line.

Yeah.

Just say this match,

everyone's banned from ringside and it'll be enforced somehow.

It's like the the same way if you just said, hey, Jack the Ripper, you can't commit murders in Whitechapel anymore.

You're not allowed.

That would have taken care of the whole thing.

One last thing about this match, even though there's plenty to say.

Did Moxley, as the person who's losing this match, hopefully at the end of this feud, but at least at this big moment in this feud, did Moxley have to have that moment where

the fans have a second or two where they think he's going to quit or it's getting there?

And then he actually, like you said, says it on the mic or

even if they weren't going to do that, just something to indicate anything.

It was like the fucking Survivor Series.

You had to take the referee's word for it.

You didn't see anything.

You didn't hear anything.

You know, that's what they're going to do.

Moxley got screwed.

No,

there should have been some struggle, yes, because.

Like for all the talk that he's so good for AEW's business, if he really was and it was about getting Darby over,

it should have been a spectacle, him giving up.

Yes.

Well, and and also the thing is,

again, with all the other things he's been hit with and all the other things that they've done in previous matches with thumbtacks or whatever the fuck and baseball bats, it's a scorpion death lock and it's he's on for five seconds.

After he's already been hit with all this other shit, if nothing else, he should have been unconscious.

But no, he puts the hold on.

It's okay.

It's over.

See,

we need to see the face screaming in pain.

We need to see the realization on him that, my God, there's no way out.

And, oh, right, I quit.

That was the

note.

Okay, he's done.

He did it because he.

Just did it to put the fucking guy over, but they didn't put any thought in it.

Maybe he did put thought in it and realized it was better for him to just do it that way.

Well, we'll see.

It'll be interesting on Wednesday if either of these guys are selling anything from this match.

I'm sure Darby will, just because I'm sure it can't be avoided.

He'll probably be selling patches of his goddamn, you know, wet jacket for three-inch squares.

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You know, the sad thing is, Jim, from what I understand, Darby's straight edge, like CM Punk.

He doesn't drink or do drugs.

I don't know how they get around the caffeine thing, but they do what they do.

Moxley, maybe not so much straight edge.

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Well, that was a ride on the wacky tron there.

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And you are there, ladies and gentlemen.

And we have more.

You know what?

That sound effect needs to go into a lot of the AEW programming.

Can you imagine how much that sound effect would enhance a lot of what they do?

He's trying to drown Darby.

You know, they laugh like there's a horn.

I always say it.

Anything bad that happens, their first reaction is an, oh my God, it's, oh, look.

Yes.

Oh, my God.

He's, he's wrapped his dick around a frozen telephone pole.

Well, Jim, before we get out of here, we still have a bit more show.

We have some questions and topics.

Something that's

come out of the AEW pay-per-view.

We received a bunch of emails about it.

I have several pulled up here, and each one focuses on a different thing.

Sarah Stock,

who

wrestled, I believe, in Mexico mostly.

Was she the...

Yes, she was some type of dark angel or

a girl.

There you go.

Well, she was apparently an agent in AEW for a while.

She was a coach, whatever you want to call it.

Yes, and I believe she did something in the WWE program in the way of training before that, if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe I'm thinking about somebody else.

Well, AEW, the night of the pay-per-view, tweeted out a clip, and thank God they did because a lot of us on Amazon Prime couldn't see the main event

of Jon Moxley attempting to drown Darby Allen while Marina Shafir just watches in the background.

The fish tank spot, the fish, the aquarium.

Did someone call it an aquarium?

I think

I called it.

It is an aquarium.

It's an aquarium is a fish tank.

It's just,

I don't know.

Maybe a fish tank is lower class than aquarium.

So maybe this was just a fish tank.

Well, Sarah Stock saw this tweet from AEW with the clip that said, somebody stop this.

Watch AEW Wrestle Dream on HBO Max.

They were using this to promote the pay-per-view.

She wrote, you know who should stop this?

Mothers with their remote control.

This is worse than the plastic bag over the head.

Kids are going to end up dead trying this stuff at home.

And then she tagged AEW in it.

So before we go any further and talk about the reaction, what are your your thoughts on a wrestler, a former coach

saying this about the main event at AEW Wrestle Dream?

I appreciate her point,

and I appreciate her good intentions.

I'm more offended

in a way

of a professional at just the childishness and the fakery and the phoniness and the foolishness from a standpoint of it's just insulting to the industry and to people who have been in it for fucking hundreds of years now or 125 years, whatever.

She's more of a,

I don't want anything bad to happen to kids, but to be honest with you,

I don't know why a kid would want to try that

at home to begin with

more than the diving off of the roof shit.

Because,

I mean, you can identify with nobody.

When I was a kid, I wanted to do the Batman fights, and we did in school and with friends and whatever.

Oh, we're having a Batman fight, but we were really punching each other.

And

I can understand a kid wanting to do one of these fancy damn moonsaults off the back porch or whatever that looks cool to the childish mind more than I would understand a kid wanting to dunk another kid in the fucking family fish tank.

You see what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I appreciate the sentiment.

I think this is low on the priority list of things that they do that kids shouldn't do.

Does that make sense?

It does make sense.

And again, not to justify this, you and I both hated this spot.

We hated this match.

We hated everything these guys do and come up with and conceptualize and execute.

But this

covers it.

This was the main event of a pay-per-view late at night.

This wasn't Saturday morning wrestling.

And again, I'm again, even the, yes, you brought up the plastic bag spot.

I'm against that.

I thought Terry Funk doing it was a mistake.

I think Jon Moxley doing it was an egregious mistake, not even a mistake, was an egregious decision, a horrible decision, I guess would be a better way to put it, considering the history of it and what it really could do and what it signifies.

You're trying to murder Brian Danielson, really.

I loved it when Funk and Flair did it, but it's by the time that Moxley and Darby and whatever did it, besides the fact that Darby does have a number of childlike or child or childlike fans,

with the bleach and the excess

of everything, it just

stupid now.

Well, apparently, go ahead.

Well, apparently, Sarah Stock

angered a whole bunch of AEW fans who have been attacking her non-stop on social media since, but also

someone associated with AEW.

The ones that aren't getting arrested for some type of criminal offense, those fans.

I have a quote here, a tweet.

There's a bunch of tweets.

I'm trying to see what came first.

This is from Amanda Huber.

She's the widow of Brodie Lee,

and I believe she has worked AEW since his passing, so she's a part of the team there.

Yes.

She quote tweeted Sarah Stock.

This was midnight on a pay-per-view.

Meanwhile, when you were working, you choked another woman out with a belt.

Where was the outrage over kids trying that?

And you want to quote tweet a video of me talking about kids' grief to defend you being a hypocrite?

I don't know what that means.

I'll see what I can find out.

all the way off oh good lord okay so we've it only took one comeback for us to leave the civil exchange of discourse of ideas and go into

all the way off

yeah i don't see again i don't know what the order here's another tweet want to know what my kids because i have kids were doing

that's a bit of a shot Want to know what my kids, because I have kids.

Actually, the way you look at it, it depends on the way you look at it.

It could be a fucking complaint or a compliment to the other person.

You want to know what my kids were doing at midnight last night?

Sleeping.

Want to know why?

Because they're kids.

My wrestling-loving kids.

Want to know what they weren't watching?

A match between two performers who are known for taking things to an extreme.

Want to know why?

Because it's my responsibility as a parent to know what they're consuming.

It's cool, though.

I'll let them watch some old TNA stuff and they can learn to choke each other out with a belt because that's cool.

Oh, boy, she can't get over that one.

Well, listen to the ending here.

What?

They can learn to choke each other out with a belt since that's cool because, checks notes, tits look great.

I gotta, you know, I've never seen this titty choking out spot in TNA.

I may have to go back and find the footage of it.

I think David Keradine was involved in setting that angle up.

But

again,

so this

miscellaneous, you know,

wife of a former wrestler is just so offended by this statement that didn't mention her in any way, but I guess she's getting paid or still getting paid by the company or whatever, but she jumped in with all of her feet.

Over,

again, a professional, not someone who was married to a professional, but a professional in the industry saying, this is fucking goofy in some respect, whether it's goofy for the kids or it's goofy for everybody.

It sounded like she,

there must be residual heat or underlying heat or heat from when they were there

together in the company at one point.

Or elsewhere, I don't see somebody just throwing down their goddamn hat and so above.

This ain't going to go unanswered.

Yeah, again, there's so many tweets.

And, you know, one of the problems with seemingly the women who get involved in wrestling feuds on Twitter right now, they respond to everyone.

So it's hard to figure out when they're actually responding to each other.

Here's Sarah Stark responding to Stock.

Stock, what did I say?

Stark.

Sarah Stock.

Or was it your New Jersey accent?

Sarah Stock.

I'm sweating.

She's responding to someone named Wrestling Mark on Twitter.

Of course, she is.

Wrestling Mark was saying, that's fine.

I don't know you to know if you'd care or not, that you're coming across terribly, but throwing out insults about people's appearances, calling them hysterical, just mean girl shit.

Grow up.

Well, now, who was hysterical?

See, this is why nobody knows what's going on on Twitter.

You can't fucking figure out who's talking to who.

And Sarah Stock responded, she proved herself a clown talking about Amanda Huber.

She left me a message riddled with profanity before telling me to fuck all the way off publicly

for posting a video that made her look good.

I don't know what the, again, we don't know what that video is.

Well,

was she wearing all of her clothing?

What the fuck is going on here?

Anyone dumb enough to talk shit about the boss and a legend's kid to the new girl doesn't know about the business.

A legend's kid.

Okay, apparently i was right there's some residual heat this is kind of a interesting mystery we're trying to figure out here live on the air what exactly are they fighting see that you know i think that's why people like the way that i argue with people when i argue or dress someone down i give an itemized granularly detailed listing of all the they've done wrong all in one place where you can get a good goddamn grip on it.

Well, apparently, here's, again, we're only a little out of order sarah stocks response to amanda huber's tweet before

where she said uh their kids and that's why they weren't watching also

the choke spot work because of nice tits hey i'll tell you here's another thing she just admitted by the way she just admitted that her children aren't wouldn't be allowed to watch this

pap and tomfoolery that's being presented on aew

And when I was nine years old, 10 years old, whatever, I was staying up till 2 o'clock on Saturday night, Sunday morning, so I could see Dick the Bruiser and Bobby Heenan.

And they didn't do anything that a child shouldn't see.

Is that a bit of a cell phone saying, I knew what this was going to be.

I would never let my kids watch it.

Is that the kid to the wrestler that did the promo that one time?

He's like, I'll tell you why AEW sucks.

You know why AEW sucks?

Yeah.

That's the thing.

She just said, I will not let my children watch the product that the company that I work for puts out.

Okay, but go ahead with the other tweeting.

Well, this is the response to the choking and the tits.

Thank you.

I agree.

They are phenomenal.

Natural, too.

Sorry about this.

Sorry about the southbound journey yours have taken.

Oh my God.

Oh, wait a minute.

Hold on.

Thank you also for repeating exactly what I said in different words.

Is the sound filter filtering out my a little bit?

I could still hear Milton Burrow's mom, though.

There you go.

Yeah, I'm trying to see, again, the thing about the legend's daughter.

Here's another headline.

Sarah Stock accuses Amanda Huber of blackballing local rest.

What is this feud has really taken off?

Let's see.

How have we not been apprised of this going on before now?

I texted, here's Amanda Huber tweeting out a response to

someone named, who is this?

Someone named Miss Kate Fabe.

Fun little play on words there.

I texted her before I tweeted.

Her reply to me was that I need to be tougher.

And then she actually posted the, I guess, text messaging in the middle of their online social media feud.

They're texting each other also.

That's healthy.

And they're going at it there.

And

then Sarah Stock responded,

you do.

Woman up.

Learn to communicate without profanity.

You're acting like a hothead because you are one.

For example, blackbowling locals because they don't quote unquote respect you are prettier than you in parentheses.

You're nobody trying to derail a young woman's career.

Again, it's wait about how the fuck would so she got a favor job of some description after her husband passed away.

That's admirable of Tony Khan, but what did he make her part of the booking team?

How does she have the power

or the say-so or any opinion to give about what wrestlers they book?

What the fuck is happening over there?

All right, a little more clarity here.

After Amanda Huber's tweet, Sarah Stock responded, you're exposing your ignorance.

To which Amanda Hu, who apparently always has a gif ready to go, responded, what ignorance exactly?

Please educate me on your expertise when it comes to children or parenting.

And then Sarah Stock responded, ignorance to how the industry works.

No need to get hysterical.

Not surprised, though, the first day I met you, you spent the entire ride in a tizzy tearing down Sting's daughter and TK for allowing her to, and there's a quote, take your spot in AEW outreach.

So let's stop there.

That appears to be the legend's daughter, Sting's daughter, who,

according to this, Amanda Uber had accused of taking her spot with AEW Outreach.

And I've heard that name before, but what the fuck was AEW Outreach?

I don't know.

That was years ago.

It was about the time Brandy started Heels because they wanted to try to get some girls

involved.

We haven't heard a lot about that in the past several years.

You know, Heels was a play on words because the girls wear the high heels, heels.

It was all girl online discussion group.

I thought it should have been pumps.

AEW pumps.

But here's Amanda Huber responding also.

I'm ignorant to how the industry I've been in and around since 2002 works.

Oh, good lord.

Calling me hysterical is a choice.

She's been in it.

I believe she was an indie wrestler.

I think that's how she met her husband.

I could be wrong.

Oh, good lord.

Oh, boy.

There we go.

Now we got got a frustrated superstar on the sidelines talking to a retired superstar in mexico or whatever calling me hysterical is a choice when i'm pointing out your hypocrisy keep telling lies online maybe one of the dirt sheets will cut you a check

all right boy you can you can really tell an industry veteran's lingo and maybe the dirt sheets will cut oh christ

you know again there's a lot of stuff here and apparently even up until I mean, they're still going at it right now, I think.

Are they going at it right now?

Hold on.

Let me go to Sarah Slack.

Has security got there yet to pull him apart?

Yeah, yeah, they're still going at it right now on Twitter, apparently.

And Sarah Slock apparently is just going at it with random fans about this because they're all just like what we saw happen to Gail Kim.

They come out of the woodwork to attack someone, criticizing, quite frankly, something worth being criticized, that Moxley Darby Allen spot.

Yeah, but then when they respond to every Tom's dick is hairy out there on Twitter, then

all these Cretans realize that I'm getting to them, and then they do it more.

And then they're just wasting their day responding to individual.

I usually just take a sample comment and quote, tweet it, and tell everybody related to the subject off, and then go about my day.

Well, again, this is,

I don't know if we're going to get any conclusion to this here, but any final thoughts on the Sarah Stock, a former AEW coach,

having an online feud very publicly over an AEW spot with an AEW wife/slash office worker?

Office employee of some discount.

Maybe she's in the mailroom now down there with Howie, the mailroom guy.

It's, well, I'm on Sarah Stock's side in as much as it was something that needed to be criticized, whether it was dangerous to children or offensive to adults and professionals, or just stupid,

whatever it needed to be criticized.

And

obviously, this other, and I've never met either of these ladies, so I don't have any personal predilection, but it seems like Mrs.

Huber

just jumped into it with both feet out of nowhere because she doesn't like this girl from when they were both around each other.

And then off we go.

So

i'm thinking that huber may be the hysteria hysterical huber

that would have been a good women's wrestling name back in the 40s for the mildred burke troupe along with gladys killam gillum and hysterical huber

is that the new job for a wrestling spouse or family member outreach hysteria outreach Oh, outreach.

Depends on who you're reaching for.

They may fucking punch you.

All right, Jim, let's get a question or two here.

This one was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by George in Sebring, Florida.

This is a very interesting question.

Was the sheikh, why don't you ask it?

Was the chic

the last wrestler that was a part of wrestling from Marigold on the Dumont network to be an active wrestler?

That's an interesting question.

Let me think for a second because Don Fargo

was actually on

that program and

ended up having a match on ESPN

in 1988 or 9, I think, for the AWA

because

he got to know Stanley Blackburn when they both lived in Amarillo, and he'd get booked to do jobs on the AWA show just to pick up some extra money.

Who else, Brian, could it?

Thes,

when was the Thez match with,

well, I sound like Lance Russell now.

The Thez match when he was 74.

I ought to be able to do the math there.

That was 1989.

1989 against Chono.

And the Sheik was still wrestling at least in 94.

I'm trying to think about Chicago.

I think Sheik's last match was in 95, as I've just done this extensive piece on him and Heroes and Friends.

And I believe, if I'm correct, that was when

he did that last couple of years for ONITA in Japan, where he did almost nothing, but they wanted his name.

So,

good Lord.

I'm.

That's a very, it's an interesting question.

You kind of need a roster in front of you to go down the list.

I mean, you can cross the list.

Well, but I'm just trying to think of anybody that would have wrestled after 1995 that would have been active before 1955.

And

again, maybe the Gypsy Joe from Tennessee was not the same Gypsy Joe

that worked on the Chicago television in the early 50s, even though he was probably old enough to be almost.

I think he's it

i mean i'm completely blank on anybody else that would have

even had a one-off match frank spaceman hickey

actually in the 90s came and did a memphis tv 93

yes and that was before yeah

uh he had a feudal brian christopher

Well, you know why?

Because Frank Hickey was the darling of all the guys.

He lived at the Wigwam Village off of I-65 down near Cave City.

For years and years,

there was a little tourist motel area from the 50s or 40s or whatever.

And

the rooms were cabins, but they were shaped like Indian tepees.

And he had all of his

wrestling costumes and capes and jackets and masks and all the shit when he was a spaceman and when he had different mask mask gimmicks, he'd had them on like dummies, mannequins in his little wigwam room.

So they got him involved in a, in a fucking angle at one point.

And he was like,

he had to be 80 then, I would think.

All right.

Well, back to the original question.

Yeah.

There's nobody else.

I can't think of anybody.

Off the top of my head, I can't.

You know, Vern Gagne's last match was in the 80s, obviously.

Who got to the 90s, even?

That's where it gets tricky.

Well, we'll think about it.

We'll come back to this maybe at another point.

Yeah, but I think he does have a good point there that Sheikh would be the last one.

Of course, Bob Ellis is still alive,

according to Dave Meltzer until recently.

But he didn't get, he was not.

Cowboy Bob Ellis never made

the Chicago from the Marigold TV because he started right after that, correct?

I don't.

I mean, he may have started in the business beforehand, but he wasn't on Dumont.

But he wasn't on Dumont and he wasn't a star until after that program was canceled.

Well, we'll give this some thoughts, see what the listeners can come up with, and we'll return to this topic.

It's a good one.

Jim, another question here via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Nicholas Bole.

Oh, come on now.

Other than Bobby Heenan, Nick Hogan, and it's a different spelling of Bole.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Other than Bobby Heenan,

who does, I think he means manager here, but let me just read it the way he wrote it.

Who does Jim think is the next greatest worker of all time?

But I think he means manager workers.

Oh,

JJ Dillon.

As far, and I mean,

I hate to say this, but he's gone, so I won't hurt his feelings.

But I was never a fan of Paul Jones's work when he was a wrestler.

He was on top at a lot of different places, but

I didn't ever get it.

Gary Hart, notoriously, and would admit it, was not a good worker, not a good wrestler at all in his early days, and managing was his thing.

Jimmy Hart.

Unorthodox, but

he took great bumps, but his offense, but the thing is, Jimmy was brought in to be a manager when he was already in his late 30s and had never wrestled a day in his life or had any training or whatever.

So,

you know, no.

I mean,

you know, think of the managers, Humperdink, and

the Tennessee manager, Sam Bass, was a rotten worker.

I have one.

Sir Clements.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

What about Sherry Martel as a manager?

Oh,

she wasn't a better worker than JJ, though, if we're going with who besides Bobby Heenan.

You know, I'm just

Sir Clements, Steve Clements was a British wrestler and very accomplished.

And I didn't get to see a lot of him.

He was having manager matches by the early 70s, but he was probably a.

heck of a worker as a as a name manager.

Ken Raimi was always either a referee or a manager.

He wasn't wasn't really a wrestler per se.

He could work like a manager.

But beyond worker, I mean, Albano, Fred Blassey, but, you know.

But it's the, yeah, it's different.

I mean,

Wild Fred Berry.

I mean, it's a different animal at that point.

Yeah.

And honestly, J.J.

Dillon was a better worker than Fred Blassey.

So it goes back to as far as managers that I have interacted with that I'm still trying to think, and don't even get me started about Paul E's work.

Jesus Christ, he made me look like fucking steamboat.

What about best bumping manager?

Forget about work rate as we classically consider it in terms of just best bumping manager.

Jimmy Kent,

who nobody out there listening probably ever saw except any fans from Tennessee or the South in the early 70s.

Jimmy Kent would just be flung places and come off the top rope with that cowboy boot and fly different.

He was

a ping-pong ball, but he

had kind of bad psychology.

He interfered too much and didn't hide it from the referee hardly at all and just was constantly involved.

And

it was a little, it was a little extraneous.

I'm trying to think of,

but again, you know,

for

the best bumping manager, you still got to go back to Bobby because he had great ones, but he did it right.

And

I'm just, you know, JJ's work was

excellent because he spent quite a bit of time as a wrestler before he became a manager.

My favorite bump, maybe one of my favorite manager bumps ever, and it's my favorite JJ bump.

The ropes thing?

Which thing?

The thing in the ropes.

Oh, no, I'm talking about when when they were doing something where the horseman Rogan drunk a TV and like Sting accepted the challenge.

I think the wrestle flare at the clash.

And JJ comes in the ring and he's supposed to be drunk.

And Sting gives him the Stinger Splash.

And after he hits him with the splash, JJ takes a drunk man's bump.

He wobbles out and we

wobbles.

And I remember that.

And he makes a face.

I mean, it's the most beautiful bump ever for a man.

You really believe this drunk old man just got the stinger splash.

I love that.

What I'm talking about, the thing in the ropes he would do where Dusty would give him the bionic elbow or whatever.

One of the babyface would hit him with something, and he would fall backwards and he would grab the top rope with his right arm and land on the second rope and go over that outside, but then fall back in to land on the bottom rope and fall in the ray.

He was like falling over each individual rope on the way down.

And it was just fucking hilarious.

But yeah, I think JJ working-wise for managers would be the thing, the guy that I would think of right now after

Bobby.

Well, Jim, another topic that we've received a bunch of emails about because people heard this and they wanted to get your thoughts.

I have a quote here from Tony Kahn

talking about Jon Moxley.

Here's the quote.

Oh, boy.

He's won the most championships.

He's traveled the world.

He's a hardened veteran, he's from the Midwest, and he's a straight shooter, and he's a great person who's respected by his peers, who takes no gruff, and is so respected as a pro wrestling veteran.

Actually, many times in Jon Moxley's matches, I've observed, it was like watching a great Harley Race match.

Oh, boy.

Or even someone like Harley Race's great matches,

or even someone, yeah, it is what it is, or even someone like Harley Race's great matches in Japan reminds me of some of the great Jon Moxley matches.

So there's a lot of great influences and a lot of great wrestlers that contribute to Jon Moxley, but Jon Moxley is also an incredible, very unique personality in the world of pro wrestling who I think it's really cool that he draws comparisons to such a great champion.

like Harley Race.

He just drew the comparison from you 30 seconds seconds before that.

That's the first time that comparison has ever been fucking made.

I've never heard that comparison before.

Nobody has ever heard that comparison.

He just, I think it's great he's being compared to this great champion by me 30 seconds ago.

Do you see?

Obviously,

everybody knows what we think of Moxley and his work and his mindset.

This is not any kind of surprise to anybody.

He's,

in my opinion, the worst pushed wrestler in the world, and he's a garbage-minded indie fanatic.

And I'm sure that's why he and Tony bond.

But having said that, regardless of what I think of him or what anyone else thinks of him, if they like him, I think everybody can universally agree

that ever

saw a Harley race match, there's no comparison in the work, whether good or bad.

There's no similarity in the in-ring work.

There is certainly no similarity in the on-screen persona.

I've never met Mr.

Moxley.

I've been lucky up until now,

but I met Harley on numerous occasions.

And

no, I'm pretty sure there's no similarities outside the ring either.

And

for someone who has met both of them,

I'd heard about this comparison, this statement that Tony made because other people heard about it too.

And Ace Steele.

Yeah, I have a good quote here.

Who trained with Harley?

I'll let you give it in a second.

Trained with Harley Race,

worked with Harley Race alongside him in his school, has currently got the Harley Race trademark and is trying to keep Harley's name alive and out.

in front of the wrestling public, industry people, whatever.

I didn't know that.

He has Harley Race's trademark.

He has Harley Race's trademark.

And the

school that he's running now down in Florida

is based on Harley's training methods and et cetera.

Point being,

he's probably the guardian of Harley's legacy at this point.

And he was fucking insulted.

Because when I heard it, I laughed like we were just laughing about it.

Like, what the fuck is this guy rambling about?

but to him it was an in an insult to a a great talent and mentor to have jon moxley be compared to harley race in any way and a steele has met both these guys

so

do with that what you will what what was that exact quote a steele responded to the headline on twitter the headline of this article that he responded to tony kahn names jon moxley as aew's modern-day harley race

And he wrote, count this as one of the dumbest and most blasphemous things I've ever read.

Utter crap.

Really infuriating.

Zero comparison.

And that's the thing.

I mean, if you try to even

objectively look at this,

and we don't like Moxley's matches or his work.

I see that right there.

There's a disqualifier because Harley Race, it was the opposite.

I don't see any comparison.

I mean, in terms of the work, I mean, Tony was throwing everything at the, he's from the Midwest.

He works hard.

He's got chest hair.

Actually, wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Since when did Cincinnati become part of the Midwest?

Is Ohio considering Cincinnati?

I wouldn't consider it.

I'm farther fucking west than Cincinnati is.

The Midwest is Kansas and Missouri and Illinois and whatever the fuck.

Ohio?

Never go on.

Again, Tony said, watching a Moxley match, he's observed many times that it's like watching a great Harley race match.

What match?

What great Harley race match in Japan or here in the States is anything like one of these awful Jon Moxley matches?

And even if you like Moxley's work and you think his matches are good, in what way are they in any way similar to Harley races?

No.

Here's the problem.

Again,

Tony, we make fun of him because of his

eccentricities and the fact that he's so easily pleased by all of these, you know, he's getting to collect all these wrestlers and do all his stuff and everything's great.

But a lot of the boys, now I

hesitate to call them the boys.

A lot of the modern talent today,

they're not really the boys.

They're Marks themselves.

And they want to be, they want to compare their friends to other people in interviews, or they want to be compared to other people or whatever.

And

so Adam Page is the stone-cold Steve Austin of AEW.

No, he's not.

And that's

not even fair.

Even if some of these guys, the pages and everybody that they say are the so-and-so of AEW or the so-and-so of modern times, even if they were any good,

they either ain't as good as people are being compared to, or they're just nothing like them.

But because these guys and girls are all marks, why do the girls are marks too?

Why do you think Mercedes wants all these outlaw belts?

Because she's a fucking mark,

and she doesn't know it's meaningless because she's in love with herself.

And

I don't think she's also realized when's she going to go on this goddamn job spree, Brian?

Is she just,

is she going to retire with the belt of 10 obscure independent companies undefeated?

Or is she going to go back and drop these fucking things, these poor local promoters running their hometowns on their birthdays?

I believe she just won two more belts this week.

Jesus Christ.

So Mattel,

she's going to be doing jobs from Natal Kingdom.

Come.

Or maybe not.

Tony Khan says she's AEW's fabulous Moolah.

Even Moolah only had one belt that she never lost instead of 12.

Yeah, I don't think there's anything there to Moxley and Harley Race.

That seems ridiculous.

And you can see why AEW would be upset about that.

That's just, it's.

Do you think Tony Khan says these things because he just wants positive things out there?

Do you think he really believes it?

Do you think it's a lack of understanding of what worked in the past?

Like, he knows wrestling history the way someone who just watched a bunch of stuff would know it.

But does he have a lack of understanding of why things work, how they worked, the context of the time?

Just everything.

Like, he makes comparisons sometimes.

You're like, it seems like he doesn't know anything, but you know, he's watched a shit ton of wrestling.

Well, that's the thing, but unfortunately, he sees it, whatever the condition is

that he and Uncle Dave share, Mr.

Meltzer,

he sees it the way Dave saw it.

It was great for a lot of years, and then it sucked for 20 years until they started doing stuff I like again.

And then, and, and so

Tony has, Tony either comes up with these comparisons or hears hears them and likes them.

To answer your question, Tony believes what he's saying,

whether it's his idea, whether somebody said, hey, he's our Harley.

Oh, yeah, I think he is.

But it's because

they have,

for some reason, it's a dichotomy in personality.

They have a respect for the personalities that were great in the wrestling industry 30, 40, and 50 years ago, and the veterans, and et cetera.

And they love to be compared to them, and they want to compare other people to them.

And then they go out and do their product where they completely shit on

everything that any of those veterans would have done, wanted, or stood for.

And like I said, if Luthes had been ringside for any of that show, he would have fucking physically vomited on his feet.

So I don't know.

They love the veterans.

They want to love the history of the business and pay respect to these people by completely taking a runny, messy shit on the business that they

tried to further by just doing the things that they do.

It doesn't make any sense.

But that's the same thing Dave does.

He's got a Hall of Fame,

and everybody in his fucking Hall of Fame that his own

listeners or readers vote for in the wrestling Hall of Fame would be as offended if they saw this shit as A.

Steele is at that comparison.

So I don't understand.

It's a bad comparison, Jim.

Jon Moxley is not good at selling.

I think a Harley Race, I think of some of those matches on the Mid-Atlantic takes, him and Ricky Steamboat, and just the way he would sell a chop and get on one foot and then go down.

Place would explode.

Moxley, not known for selling,

you have to wonder if maybe he can improve his selling by starting an online store and maybe finding some topics that, topics, some products that he could sell, or maybe his wife could sell.

It's his store.

They could do whatever they want.

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Well, again, I don't know if I don't know how you're putting it.

It's not exactly the way it works.

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How do I stop you?

18 to 22 hours a day to make sure that you in your retirement

are able to support yourself in the manner to which you're accustomed.

And those kids are going to have to get started.

They're going to dig in.

They're going to crack the whip.

Your wife's going to put her nose to the grindstone.

They're going to have a lot of part-time work for her.

Especially if I've seen pictures of some of these Shopify wives.

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All right.

Well, Jim, now that I've got you to stop and I got your channel.

Can you listen to the video?

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Well, I just did.

And there, again, your wife's going to be out working long hours.

So make sure you

got something in the refrigerator for dinner, but it's all going to pay off, folks.

What?

Yes.

And if you'd like to see,

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It may be a difference the first few years when you're living in a basement making those toys for Geppetto.

But then sooner or later,

the money's going to start rolling in.

And that's what they're going to keep telling you.

Once again, let's think about the good things.

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That's right.

And every once in a while, you or your employees, you start to think, I got to go to sleep.

They'll come in and they'll crack that whip and get you started working again.

There's no whip, they're not going to crack anything.

There's got to be some effort on your part.

You can't just be some kind of lazy asshole.

Again, they're not there to tell you what to do.

They're there to help you with what they don't want to be, but if they have to come over, somebody, somebody's getting whooped.

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All right, Jim.

Let's get a few more questions before we wrap things up here today.

Let me close the Shopify email right here, which we will do.

All right, Jim, a few more questions before we get out of here.

I want to go back to a topic you just mentioned: Mercedes Monet,

and her, I believe it's now 12 belts

after winning the Ring of Honor Interim Women's Television Championship.

Wait a minute.

What?

Now, what?

That was what she wanted to pay-per-view from Mina Shirakawa.

That was the Ring of Honor Interim Women's Television Championship.

Of Saturday nights.

Okay.

So you brought up a good point earlier.

The fact that Mercedes-Monet having all these belts would make you think that eventually there needs to be a tour of jobs all over the world, big and small, venues alike.

What do you think of her doing this?

I've seen

people talk about even maybe some indie promoters that this is a big help for them.

She gets these indie promotions a lot of attention.

When they put her match match on YouTube, it will get a much greater amount of viewers than the average match they would put on YouTube.

There are people saying that Mercedes Monet, whether she's a mark for herself or not, is actually

doing a great help to worldwide all the independent promotions.

What are your thoughts on that?

Well,

there is validity in if you've got

a big-name

talent, big-name name wrestler to come to an independent show and they might sell a few extra tickets and they might sell some merchandise or as you mentioned,

they'll watch the thing on YouTube.

Obviously, a lot of independent wrestling was built on having stars that were formerly on television or have some level of notoriety when you can book them, come in, and you put that on top and the local guys are underneath, you know, get an experience.

That's fine.

But again,

the whole idea of the multiple belt thing,

it's no benefit to AEW because nobody's ever heard of any of these other championships to begin with.

And it just looks clowny

that

to the average person, wait a minute, what the fuck?

She's champion of 12 different things.

How is that even possible?

Is that just, and what are these things?

I've never heard of any of them.

It just looks goofy.

It doesn't help AEW.

It helps Mercedes Monet

achieve her fantasy of being Ultimo, which Ultimo was it?

The Dragon or the Guerrero?

Ultimo Dragons, you know,

yeah, breaking his record.

And for these smaller companies, yes, if she comes in and works, it may sell a few extra tickets or whatever.

But also,

like I said,

at some point,

she needs to lose that belt

to one of the particular promotions'

regular talents to have made it worth it to put the belt on or to when Jerry Lawler made the Smoky Mountain champion one time.

so that then he could do a favor for Bobby Blaze and try to help Bobby Blaze.

So,

if that's the case, then that's fine.

But isn't it going to be

she literally will have been in a position where she will have to have some of these belts for a couple of years, unless she's going to do a job every month or two.

And then, what the fuck good does that do?

And

I wait to see whether she's going to lose any or most, probably not all of these things back

in the ring to their rightful places.

It's just, it's being marks.

All these belts, they're, they're

fans and marks are two different things.

Fans are people who like something and want to support it and like to watch it.

Marks are people who

take it too far, get wrapped up in it, believe

their own bullshit, whether they're on either side of the camera,

and lose sight of what the fucking point of the whole thing is just because you think that it would be cool yourself.

Whether it's a guy picking his own entrance music or somebody say, oh, wow, I'd really love to win that belt.

Why?

What's it going to do for you?

Depends on what belt it is.

And again, she has 12 belts currently.

That's

a lot.

I'm trying to see if there's a list of all the belts here because I'm not even sure.

I see someone emailed us

four of them.

There's two AEW belts she has, one Ring of Honor belt, and one CML belt.

I'm trying to see what are the actual other belts that she has.

Just look around the waist of a male stripper.

Okay, here we go.

This is from SE Scoops.

It is a championship belt tracker for Mercedes Monet.

She won the TBS championship May 7th, 2024 in Vegas from Statlander.

She won the CML Women's World Championship August 4th, 2024 in Arena, Mexico from Princessa Sughit.

Or however you call it.

Sug Hit?

S-U-G-E-H-I-T.

Sugit.

All right.

Maybe she's in the death row records.

Mercedes Monet won the Rev Pro undisputed British Women's and Queen of the Southside Championship from Alex Windsor January 5th 2025 in the Tokyo Dome wait a minute what happened to Alex Windsor she popped up and then we haven't seen her in a while and her husband got hurt or her boyfriend whatever whatever the situation is he got hurt so who knows if that affected him well besides that is that two titles or one is it

Did she win two different championships there

or just one, but it's called that thing?

Well, I don't know.

We'll figure that at the end because that's at least three or maybe four championships.

The EWA Women's Championship, the European Wrestling Association,

February 11th, 2025, from Mia Yim.

The Chaotic Wrestling Women's Championship for Chaotic Wrestling in Lowell, Massachusetts.

She won that March 2nd, 2025 from Paris Van Dale.

Mercedes-Monet won the Primetime Wrestling women's championship

over Camille,

April 6, 2025,

Warsaw, Poland.

Poland,

fuck, maybe she was doing some advance work for Queen of the Ring, Camille, over there.

But number one, I wonder if Camille is still getting an AEW check.

Maybe they're paying for her driving lessons.

And

so Camille had to put Mercedes over when Mercedes was the root of her problem to begin with, there, wasn't it?

Maybe it's not the same Camille.

Maybe it's Polish Camille.

They're in Poland.

Who knows?

Also, Jim, Mercedes-Monet won the Best Ya Women's Championship from Best Ya Wrestling, B-E-S-T,

Y-A, Best Ya Wrestling,

April 20th, 2025, in Hamburg, Germany, over Iva Kolosky.

Well,

I hate it that Iva Kolonoscopy had to lose her belt, but where do they even hear of these places and these promotions?

How do they know they exist to go and find them and win their belts?

It's a very interesting question.

I don't know.

Mercedes Monet won the Discovery Wrestling Scottish Women's Championship May 2025.

There's no date here, just May,

over Casey Owens in Edinburgh.

It was a long match.

That's right.

She won the Body Slam Women's Championship on a show for Body Slam Pro Wrestling, October 2025 in Copenhagen, Denmark, over Regina.

Jesus Christ Rosendahl.

She also won the AEW Owen Hart Women's Cup.

Who is paying for Josephine Camill to fly all over the goddamn world with her team, I assume?

She won that over Jamie Hayter, and that was in July 2024, so I guess that's an older one here.

And then, two more interim Ring of Honor Women's World Television Champion, October 18th, St.

Louis over Mina Shirakawa.

The next day for Winnipeg Pro Wrestling Women,

Winnipeg Pro Wrestling's Women's Championship is what I meant to say.

At the Rumble in the Burt in Winnipeg, she won that title over Jodi Threat.

Jodi Threat.

So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.

Yeah, the Rev Pro one, I guess, is one title just with multiple names.

The Undisputed British Women's and Queen of the Southside Championship.

Hopefully, none of these wrestling promotions are going to be located in a forest, or otherwise, we may never see her again.

Because, as you'll recall, she can't find her way out of the woods.

And it's not as simple as, hey, book her on a bunch of indie shows to drop these belts.

They're all over the world.

Poland, Germany, Canada.

so i guess two questions uh to finish this up one can you see how this would be a big benefit to the independent promotions and why they would be happy with her and also

how does this help aew

well again as i said you know it doesn't help aew at all because it just confuses the issue of who their women's champion is because they have multiple ones of those

and none nobody's ever heard of or are going to hear of of these miscellaneous belts and it just sounds like joke promotions which they some of them may be some of them may be hardworking local concerns trying to establish themselves but why i i don't know

i don't know how it would be worth it to fly this girl all the way over to hooha denmark

and put her up and how many extra tickets is she going to sell i was thinking we were talking about

you know,

Beaverton, Oregon Pro Wrestling, not Switzerland or whatever.

So

again, there's a lot of fans that are doing this for the love of the game or the love of themselves.

And

I think the promoters are doing it for the love of the game and she's doing it for the love of herself.

Also, the idea that all these promotions are just giving their belts to her to leave with them.

You know, I guess they assume she'll come back eventually and drop it, but it's their belt.

Well, it may be she's talked Tony Khan in and just say, here, how much did you pay for that belt?

Three grand here.

Here's three grand.

Do we know that he's that the local promoters are paying her at all?

Is he paying her to go collect all these belts?

Because that's a big deal to him for people to have belts.

That's why he keeps having all of them made.

So

now that I think about it, I don't want just by

assuming that this might be a normal business deal done in the normal business way that wrestling business is done

is shortchanging Tony Kahn and his willingness to just spend any amount of money to do any stupid thing because it appeals to Marx.

And I don't mean fans, I mean Marx.

All right, Jim, a few more questions and then we'll get the hell out of here.

This question was sent to CourtneyDriveThru at gmail.com from Steve

in Old Tringham, Manchester.

Jim's been to our little town before for the WCPW Cody and Kurt.

I remember, yes, that's the

first or the second trip that I, the first trip that I made over to Jolly Old England was for the

live events I did and various at a couple of the WCCW

wrestling events.

Is there a logic as to why the face tag team partners typically stand on the far left of the ring for the TV audience and heels are on the near right?

I can only assume it's so that we could see the hot tag clearer when it happens.

They almost never happen, even when they're trying.

On a recent WWE show and AEW show a few months ago, the match started with the tag partners opposite to this.

And there was an awkward moment when the ref ushered the participants to their correct corner.

So, Jim, what about the placement of the tag team partners?

What corner they get on TV?

I mean, it never used to be standard.

In the territories, it was

when you had a babyface corner and a heel corner that was standard to the building back in the days of territory wrestling when you were somewhere every week or every two weeks or every month or whatever.

Then,

based on the way that the building was laid out and where the aisleways were from the locker room or whatever, you adopted a standard baby face and heel corner.

And that's kind of the way it was.

And

I've been in places before when we used to change territories, we'd get in the ring.

If we were first, we'd ask the referee, which is our corner.

And the referee, since he was already there regularly and knew, he would tell us.

But with television, when it used to be the, again, the TV studios, you were in the same place all the time.

So it kind of developed.

But then when they started, Brian, you remember this

in the 80s when the NWA and WWF and

different

companies started taping in the arenas and going out of their territory and doing more different tapings.

Sometimes it was hit and miss.

You'd see them different places, right?

That would happen.

And then,

because I don't know, it was

pretty much standard before I got there, but each company, I don't know when Vince did it, but each company that was doing regular television

started making it standard where the corners were so that it wouldn't be disorienting visually to the fans, and especially if they had a match from tonight and then they pitched a last week for a videotape replay or whatever, and everybody was at a different side, blah, blah, blah.

Good question,

but kind of just that's the way that it eventually transpired.

In the old days, the heel corner was the closest one to the fucking aisleway to the locker room because they were more likely to have to fight to get back than the babyfaces did.

All right.

Well, Jim, let's get what will probably be our final question here this week.

This was sent to CorneyDrive-through at gmail.com from Matt Reed in Eatonton, Georgia.

Hey Jim, my social media algorithm has been feeding me dozens of videos from wrestling conventions.

And it has me wondering if these gatherings of legends are as depressing as it seems.

Most of the clips, the wrestlers are barely smiling or lack any enthusiasm to meet the people who paid to see them.

As a follow-up, how do wrestlers get paid for these events?

Is it a flat rate for all, or do you get paid more depending on your box office draw?

Well, there's no way to

attribute a box office draw to a guest at a fan fest.

I mean, you know, you can kind of figure, but

first of all, it depends on the fan fest because

there have been, and I've been to many of them.

I remember

several, including one in Atlanta, Georgia, one time, where there was absolutely nobody fucking there

because the promoters, even though I, in this case, warned them of what they were getting into,

they didn't know what they were doing and nobody knew the shit was happening.

And when guys are sitting around

with no fans and

you know, just sitting there, it's fucking miserable.

And then, you know, you get

some of the guys

just do it for the money.

They don't like meeting the people or they don't want to take the time to sign the autographs or whatever.

And you can tell they don't want to be there.

And there's that, those comments,

you know, then

go out after the fan fest

from the fans who are kind of ticked off about it.

You know, well, fuck, he could have looked up at me, which he could have.

And then I always thought

I applied it as the same way as I did going to a show.

I'm going there to be Jim Cornette.

Instead of managing wrestlers and yelling at the fans, I'm meeting the fans and talking to the fans.

And,

you know, if I ain't got enough energy for that, that people came and paid money to see and talk to me, then I shouldn't be there, which now that I have very little energy these days is why I'm not there.

It's a lot of hard work to be cheerful, Brian, for eight hours at a time.

But that's, it just depends on who the guy is.

And it depends on at a successful fan fest, I've been so busy signing autographs and selling merchandise and talking to people and taking pictures of whatever

that at the end of the time, you realize I barely sat down once.

It's just steady

people, or it can be shitty the other way.

But

as far as how you get paid, it's most of the time

the guys get a guarantee to go for a period of time and either do a QA or sign autographs or take pictures or whatever the deal is.

Sometimes

they have these agents, and that's a mixed bag,

that they have to give part of the cut of the money to, or that's book them or set them up, or whatever.

But again, they get a flat fee.

But to be honest, for the last

three or four years that I was doing any kind of fan fests or autograph deals or whatever, I would just tell the promoter,

give me a table, advertise I'm going to be there and get the fuck out of my way.

Because I would bring all my merchandise and sell all my stuff and make more money than I would have on a guarantee and had more fun too.

And that way they couldn't really tell me what to do

or what I had to do or what I needed to do.

I could just bullshit with the people.

So it just depends on what the situation is and what the deal that's been made as far as who's paying who for what.

You know, we hear from people, you know, who always say that they miss you on the convention scene or they met you years ago.

Almost 100% of the time, if not 100% of the time, it's Jim was so nice.

It was such a great experience meeting him.

I bought this, this, and this.

But there are a lot of guys, again, They go there and they either have a bad attitude.

You know, you hear stories, you see footage, or they clearly don't want to be there.

they're there just for the money.

I don't know what my question was now that I say all these insults about random wrestlers, but you know, you gave everyone a good experience and people came there and they walked away with that good experience.

You hear stories also about the other side of it, like wrestlers, people who love Jimmy Valiant.

They may not love the fact that you couldn't walk past them without buying something.

But what do you think a lot of guys miss?

Because there are plenty of people who go to conventions and they may not be Jim Cornette, but, you know, there's someone who did something that people were fans of.

And maybe they don't do the business you would have done.

Maybe they don't have as much, as many different things that they're controlling themselves.

I guess you addressed all these things differently.

Yes, but also the thing is, a lot of the guys weren't necessarily fans.

Some of them, you know, like Bobby Eaton.

He was such a fan from when he was a little kid.

He could sit around and talk to the fans all day and, you know, understand what's, but other guys maybe weren't fans and don't understand, you know, what the fans like and what they like to talk about, or

maybe they can talk about their own shit, but they can't talk about somebody else's.

When somebody would come up to me from Memphis, oh,

remember in the Coliseum, Lawler and Joe LaDuke?

Oh, yeah.

And we'll do 15 minutes because I was a fan or I understand what they

liked or, you know, what they're talking about.

Or just, you know,

that's

also to me, it's the same kind of thing as guaranteed money in wrestling because I'm old enough to remember when you didn't have that.

And a lot of the guys bitched about it.

You know, we didn't have guaranteed money back then in those days.

Well, but if you were good enough, you got there somehow.

And if I'm going to, if I know I'm getting $1,500, let's say as a flat amount to sit at a table for four hours and sign autographs, then I may not be as driven and motivated motivated to be peppy and push that shit as if I'm getting the money from what I sell.

So I had motivation not only

to have a good time with the thing, but to sell my merchandise by being cheerful instead of frump faced.

And it's the same thing.

It killed a lot of the guys' motivation.

to go out and draw money and get over

and have a personality when they started just saying, you're going going to get $150,000 a year, whether you

discover a cure for cancer or shit to bed every night.

Doesn't matter how good or bad you are, this is what you get.

And no motivation.

Did you encounter many, if any

convention promoters that expected a cut of the merch you sell, even if it's your own?

Well, no, because anytime I went somewhere,

the deal was done before

anybody even advertised I was going to be there.

Whoever was paying who, what, or whoever was selling what and where, all that stuff would be worked out before I'd be advertised.

Nobody ever came up and said, oh, by the way, Jim, I said I'd give you this table, but now I want 20%.

Good luck.

And what about when you did something that was...

you know, like an added thing that people wanted, like, for instance, a picture with not just Jim Cornette, but like Jim Cornette and the Midnight Express if they were there.

How would that work

well again there would be you know a price for pictures and and a lot sometimes with me in the midnight we were on a guarantee where we had to do you know whatever for the promoter and in return for that guarantee so they would set the price

but you know again

sometimes i would be over at at my table and the guy and the promoters were paying the boys, but I'd run over and do the pictures anyway because

i just i wanted to make sure that everybody got what they wanted out of the the thing i had a point i was going to make also from something you said earlier and i'm trying to think of what it was

and i can't all right well this but that's um

but basically that's the thing is that

I think if you give the people an enjoyable experience and have merchandise that they might want to buy at a price that's agreeable to everybody,

then I don't want to guarantee.

Oh, that's what I was going to say.

I don't want to guarantee because at a lot of the bigger fan fests, when I was getting paid by the promoter, I'd be sitting there at a fucking table where I didn't have time to talk to my old friends or to fucking go and look around and buy all the other merchandise or push my own shit because I was there at a table and I didn't want to be locked down.

I like to to circulate.

And a lot of these things, I would buy

almost as much shit as I, of other people's, as I sold of mine.

But I wanted to have that opportunity.

So I liked a little more flexibility.

All right.

So I guess it wasn't depressing for you, but you can understand why maybe for some others.

Well, then you can, you can, you can also make your own fun.

in a lot of cases, but yes, when

there is absolutely nobody there, you're just sitting around with your dick in your hand.

Maybe you're there for less money than you wanted to be anyway, whatever.

I can see where guys are miserable, but I can't see guys being miserable when there's a bunch of fans there and they just want some attention because that's why you're fucking there.

Hey, Jim, one last thing.

I know I said that was the last question, but I'm just seeing this now.

We talked previously about the bust that Vince McMahon gifted people who attended his 80th birthday gala.

Book Pro Wrestlers, who was the page that revealed that bust, has now put up the guest packet that everyone received.

Oh, good lord.

Welcome, dear family and friends.

Welcome to New York and the beautiful Baccarat Hotel.

It means the world to me that you've traveled from near and far to be here.

This weekend is not just about my birthday.

It's about celebrating the people who have shaped, supported, and brought joy to my first 80 years on this earth.

My first 80 years.

And what a wild ride it's been.

If you need anything at all over the weekend, please don't hesitate to reach out to the on-site team to assist you.

I look forward to celebrating together.

And it's signed, VM, sincerely Vince McMahon.

And here's the itinerary.

Oh, they got an itinerary.

Friday, August 22nd, 2025, cocktail event at the Baccarat Hotel from 8 p.m.

to 12 midnight.

The Grand Saloon and Bar, again, Baccarat Hotel, cocktail attire.

Guests will be welcomed with an elegant evening gathering to kick off the celebration weekend.

Please either leave your cell phone.

Wait a minute, they had to be there for the whole fucking weekend for Vince.

I could understand going to a guy's birthday party, but a fucking weekend around your former boss.

Please either leave your cell phones in your rooms or use our secure phone check.

So let's stop there for a second.

No phones.

What are your thoughts on hearing the initial bits of this invitation?

Well,

I understand

that they didn't.

They didn't want people taking pictures.

Vince wanted it to be private with his friends.

And boy, see how that worked out for him.

And I can understand you not wanting somebody to take pictures or put pictures up on social media or whatever.

But no, I'm not going.

And I don't even carry a cell phone.

You know this.

I have a cell phone in my fucking car in the expedition.

And if I'm late or lost, I will turn it on and notify somebody.

But at the same point,

if I'm a person that's away from home,

out of town,

and I need to, my wife needs to be able to call me or whatever, I'm not giving somebody my fucking phone.

I'm going to have my phone.

I'll just not use my phone, except in case of emergency.

And that's no, I'm not giving anybody my fucking phone, whether it's friends, enemies, or goddamn

a business.

It just, it ain't happening.

So I don't, and again,

but I guess we see how it worked out.

I would think if there are people that you would invite to your birthday party that mean that much to you, if you just said, hey, don't take any pictures,

then they wouldn't take any pictures.

But Vince is a fucking,

he's got to always control frame.

Yeah, control frame where he's got to tell everybody what to do or have the parameters set.

And he doesn't see anything wrong with that.

Did he have his phone?

Go ahead.

Well, that was Friday.

Let's go back to the itinerary here.

This is Saturday, August 23rd, 2025.

Daytime activities.

Explore the city during the day.

Followed by Black Tie Birthday Gala.

Location

to be revealed.

Transportation will begin departing the Baccarat Hotel at 6:30 p.m.

Please begin gathering in the Grand Saloon of the Baccarat Hotel on the second floor by 5.30.

Please do not take any photos or videos at the formal events.

Guests are asked to leave phones in their rooms or used to secure phone check.

So once again, nothing.

Okay, but wait a minute.

First of all, exploring the city.

All these guys have been to New York a hundred fucking million times, and does that mean that Vince is going to show them around?

What was that all about?

Yeah, welcome to my sightseeing tour.

Get on the bus.

This is Ben Benson.

And then secondly,

besides that,

black tie guys.

So

I've asked people to come to my birthday party.

Now I want them to get tuxedos and wear them?

Who wants to wear a fucking tuxedo on your fucking birthday?

I've worn a tie like six times in the last three years when Dark Side of the Ring fucking shows up to shoot.

Go ahead.

We have a page here for concierge.

Welcome to New York.

We're thrilled you've joined us to celebrate Vince's 80th birthday.

Whether you need help with plans, recommendations around the city,

or just a little something to make your stay more comfortable.

We have an event concierge team at your service from 8 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

During these operating hours.

Who's in our service from 8 p.m.

to 8 a.m.?

Is what I want to know.

During these operating hours, we are located on the second floor in the Petite Saloon.

That's where I want my concierge in the bar.

Yes.

And also, they wouldn't even tell them where the celebration was.

When's the last time that you agreed to travel out of town to go to somebody's event, whether it be wedding or birthday party or whatever,

and they won't tell you where you're going to be going when you get to the place you're supposed to be?

I would never.

Yeah, I've never done that.

I never would do that.

So, no, that's not something I've experienced.

But I also wouldn't put up with someone like Vince who wants to control every situation.

You know, this person person also posted, I never saw this before.

The invitation for the Vince McMahon roast in 1991.

Linda McMahon cordially invites you to join her at a surprise roast for Vince to celebrate both his birthday and the 20th anniversary of the World Wrestling Federation.

This promises to be a fun-filled evening where roasters deliver good-natured, with a question mark in parentheses, barbs at their friend, and then in parentheses again, without fear of reprisal.

Ha!

Rainbow Room 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, New York, Tuesday, August 27th, 91, Black tie, music by

Roy Gearson Orchestra,

RSVP.

Milton DeLug and his band with a thug.

Here are the roasters, the MC Gene Oakerland, and the Roasters, Basil DeVito,

Dick Eversall and Susan St.

James, Michael Feinberg, John Filipelli,

Dick Glover, Bobby Heenan, Hulk Hogan, Linda McMahon, Pat Patterson, Joe Perkins, Doug Sages,

Randy Savage,

Jim Troy, and the most surprising one here, Jesse Ventura, because this is after he left,

and a surprise celebrity roaster.

Remember, it's a surprise.

So another Vince McMahon birthday extravaganza in New York City here.

Any final thoughts on the birthday, the birthday travels of Vince McMahon?

Yeah, it sounds like if he'd, you know, we meet out in front of the hotel and up pulls a dirty white panel van.

to get into.

I said, no, I'm pretty much not going to be doing that.

All right, Jim.

Well, with that, where is this?

Here it is.

The drive-through is closed.

That was a bad note at the end.

Let's get a song or two.

No, at the end, huh?

At the end.

Let's get a song or two before we get out of here.

This one

was sent

by Anthony.

Di Donato, aka Captain Quorum from Wilmington, Delaware.

He has sent in songs in the past.

Here's his latest one right here.

Well, they took two teeth right out of my head.

Yes, they took two teeth right out of my head.

They took two

they took two

Brian last scoffs at me

and he tries to tell me teeth come out of your mouth, not your head

But they took two teeth right out of my head

Guyan can't explain where mouths are instead

They took two

They took two

So now I

have two holes

in my head But Brian makes fun of my pain and says I don't

Brian out of my head

goes a tooth Then out of my head

Another tooth

out of my head

Where I bite Brian's wrong, I'm right

Stop the fight.

Two parts of my person

got extracted.

They left two holes where they were from there, right there in my head.

Now I've got two holes in my fucking head.

Yes, I've got two holes in my fucking head.

Ryan, out of my head.

Knows a tooth that out of my head.

Another tooth

out of my head.

Where I bite, Ryan's wrong, I'm right.

Stop the fight, yeah.

Ask Brian

what's wrong with him.

What's wrong with him?

All right.

Well, he's playing off there.

Thank you once again.

Aaron D.

Donato, Captain Quorum.

He always delivers.

Very, very good.

Any thoughts on that, Jim?

That was tremendous.

I appreciate that.

And thankfully, the holes are healing.

But still, Brian,

I got no sympathy from you.

And this confirms it.

All right.

Well, thank you.

Send in another song soon.

Great job, as always.

We have a song that was apparently supposed to be sent in by Angel

Carbaho.

If you hear this angel, you didn't send an actual attachment to a song.

Send that other one.

So, Angel Carbuncle screwed up there.

This one was sent in, Jim, by Trent.

Let's see what this is.

Welcome to Exactly.

Let's go into me and you.

Welcome to the drop-down, you start something new they do.

Wrestling greetings, this show has it all.

Wrestling news on clickbait, no hidden pay all.

Promos from fun.

Can you make out anything he's saying?

Not really.

where the hell's TK?

Order now Jim Cornelius.

You know, as always, we appreciate the effort that is made.

There was a plug in there for my merchandise, but I barely heard it.

That's right.

But thank you.

Is it the mix?

Was it lost in the mix?

I think it was lost in the mix.

You got to bring the vocals up, bring everything else down.

But thank you, Trent, for sending that in.

Let's get another song here, Jim.

This is from someone who has submitted a lot of songs in the past, and it's always hit or miss.

This one was sent by Stefan in Auburn, Maine.

Let's go to this.

He took us,

and for poor Jim Crockett,

That devil sought

What the hell is this?

McMahon fulfills

A trick on the territory here

And then he kills

Okay, let me stop this for a moment, at least a moment.

As I said, Stefan from Auburn Main always sends in very interesting takes and songs.

And any thoughts on this one that we're listening to?

No.

Well, thank you, Stefan, with that one.

Let's give him another chance as

he has sent in a bunch of stuff here.

Let's try this one.

Which is always found amazing.

Like, he wrestled Ali and he's like, I'm stealing the catchphrase from Zahir.

Like, how the fuck did that happen?

Ali Boombaye, watch this.

I'll have a song.

Inoki, Boombaye.

Boombaye, Inoki, Bumbaye.

Inoki, Bumbaye.

ain't no key, boom by egg, in a key, boom by egg, in no key, boom by egg, in okey, boom by egg, in o key, boom by egg, inoki, boom by egg, in o key, boom by egg, in okey, boom by egg, in okey, boom by egg, in no key, boom by egg in Oki, boom by egg, inoki, boom by egg, wait

fight,

fight,

Fight!

Fight!

Fight!

Fight!

I'll never forget where I was.

Ladies and gentlemen, mark it down.

You have been witnesses

to history.

It has happened.

I didn't even have to open the third one.

What a moment.

Let's see if it happens again.

All right.

Well, what better way to end the show than what's like a die?

Thank you.

There you go.

In Auburn, Maine.

Jim, I ask you, who has done a better job of paying tribute to Antonio Anoki this year, Tony Khan or the Jim Cornett drive-through?

I think you and your keychain are at the root of all of this.

I think the Anoki family should be forever in your debt, sir.

All right, well, with that,

the drive-thru is closed, of course.

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Book signing.

A lot of it.

Get them while you can.

I don't know whether or not that I have enough left in me to sign many more.

Hurry, hurry, hurry.

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