Episode 415: Jim Reviews AEW WrestleDream

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Speaker 33 Hello again, friends.

Speaker 33 And you are our friends. Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru.

Speaker 33 A big edition this week. We're talking Wrestle Dream, Tony Khan's tribute to Antonio Inoki.
So we're here with Corny Dream, our tribute to Antonio Inoki.

Speaker 33 There we go. The batteries work.
Oh, this thing's stuck. There we go.
I'm your host, the great Brian Last. We'll see how stuck we get today.

Speaker 33 A big show with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornet, Mr. Jim Cornet.

Speaker 34 Clowns to the left of me and cosplayers to the right. And here I am stuck in the middle with you, Brian.
Boy, that one.

Speaker 34 What you did there was you crossed over that bridge like you were skipping as it was collapsing underneath you. Sort of like a flat rock skipping over the lake.
Beep, beep, beep, and got by with it.

Speaker 34 You were way off there, pal. Way off.

Speaker 34 It was way off

Speaker 34 from the start there when you hit the bomb tone instead of the beep tone. And then

Speaker 33 holy macro. I messed up a few times today.
See, a lot of it's just because of the angle I was at. I wasn't in a comfortable position.
I needed to be in a balance.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 33 My arm was at a weird, crooked angle.

Speaker 34 Why are you playing the organ from underneath your desk? What are you doing? What are you there?

Speaker 33 The apparatus is on the left. So I'm facing forward.
Here's the two computers in front of me and my microphone. And then to the left is this.
So

Speaker 33 wait a minute.

Speaker 34 You got two computers and a microphone?

Speaker 33 That's right.

Speaker 34 Well, you're where it's at, baby.

Speaker 33 Look at who knows Beck. How about that? That's impressive.

Speaker 34 Hey.

Speaker 33 How do you know that song? I'm blown away that you know that song. How do you know that song?

Speaker 34 Because you couldn't get away from the goddamn thing about 30 years ago. It was in Grand.
That's the only part of it I can understand.

Speaker 34 and it was repeated over and over and over again in every goddamn elevator that you might be in and at 19 whatever the fuck year that was that golden year

Speaker 33 that was kind of the your era of that's as close as you ever got to understanding or being a part of alternative music

Speaker 33 with everything you there was no there was no alternative Well, there was no alternative, I guess. That's the way to look at it.

Speaker 34 Why did they call it alternative music when it was everywhere and you couldn't get away from it? There was no alternative.

Speaker 33 You know, I just saw WWE did an interview with the headbangers. I guess they must have signed a legends deal or something.

Speaker 33 And they did an interview and they were talking about how they got the gimmick in Smoky Mountain Wrestling. And they didn't explain it.
So it just sounded funny without any explanation.

Speaker 33 They're like, yeah, Jim Cornette was at a Marilyn Manson concert and he saw this. I don't know, they didn't even say that.
They said Danzig, I think.

Speaker 33 Whatever it was, they mentioned that you were there, but they didn't say like, well, because he was working with Rick Rubin.

Speaker 33 It just sounded like Jim Cornette was hanging out one night at the concerts.

Speaker 34 Yeah, yeah, you know, he was a big fucking head-banging groupian fellow back then.

Speaker 34 I wasn't even, I wasn't even there. No, I was there actually, but it wasn't even because I was working with Rick Rubin, because it was in Knoxville.

Speaker 34 Cat, my friend Kat Collins, who was working with Rick Rubin,

Speaker 34 had invited me just because he was going to be there. And

Speaker 34 I can't even remember the name of it. It was a place I had never been to in Knoxville.
And I lived and ran the town for four years. I'd never been there before or since.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 the concert was Glenn Danzig, who was a big wrestling fan. And, you know, independently of Rubin, as well, we just all kind of congregated with very odd

Speaker 34 bedfellows with being wrestling fans. But

Speaker 34 so Kat said, come down and I introduce you to Glenn Danzig and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 34 And it was the opening act that nobody had ever fucking heard of.

Speaker 34 That I, because I'd asked Kat, I said, can I like either sit backstage with you or, you know, if I got a piss, can they, y'all, yeah, come on the bus or whatever?

Speaker 34 Because I didn't want to go out in the fucking public area when I saw the fan base coming in.

Speaker 34 I had no, I thought our people were.

Speaker 34 They were salt of the earth people. They were a bit off, but they were still normal.
But these, I didn't know where they,

Speaker 34 these

Speaker 34 citizens that came to the concert,

Speaker 34 where they habitated in Knoxville during the day, because you never saw them out on the street or anywhere else. But nevertheless,

Speaker 34 so I'm back behind the deal over by the amplifier or whatever, and the opening act comes on. And it's Marilyn Manson.

Speaker 34 And he's wearing a goddamn skirt and he's got the combat boots. And

Speaker 34 he screams at one point at the count of three. I want you all to spit on me.

Speaker 34 And I'm not in the line of fire, but I'm ducking anyway, right? And they do.

Speaker 34 And I'm like, what the fuck? There's a gimmick

Speaker 34 to be had here somehow.

Speaker 34 And that's when Glenn and Chaz were,

Speaker 34 you remember seeing them as the Spiders, right?

Speaker 33 They worked for Dennis's The Spiders, but also, especially Glenn Ruth, he was a regular

Speaker 33 enhancement guy on WWF TV for a long time because of all the tapings in the Northeast.

Speaker 34 Well, and they were from New Jersey. And

Speaker 34 I talked to them, you know, a number of times because they were trying to go somewhere. And I think

Speaker 34 they may have ended up going to work for Burt Prentiss in.

Speaker 34 I don't know if this was before they came to work for me, or I think it was before, because I think they were still the Spiders.

Speaker 34 But remember when Burt Prentiss closed a territory down in like Missouri somewhere and didn't tell the boys?

Speaker 34 And they just,

Speaker 34 you know, they just,

Speaker 34 they found out when they showed up for the fucking towns and there was no towns. They just, so, but nevertheless, I'd been wanting to bring them in, but I didn't want

Speaker 34 Tennessee and especially outlaw wrestling in Tennessee had been filled with massed tag teams. as job guys or as, you know, whatever.

Speaker 34 Going back to the days in the 60s when Gulis was running four towns a night, and some of the boys would say he'd send the real fucking interns or infernos to the town that had the best advance, but they'd be booked two or three different places.

Speaker 34 I don't fucking know. But nevertheless,

Speaker 34 I said, here's a gimmick. I thought of it.
I said, here's a gimmick for you. I said, but you got to wear dresses.
And they're like, what?

Speaker 34 And, you know, and then they took to it.

Speaker 34 But it was just just started out. I was like, just look at this, these weird young people,

Speaker 34 these weird young hipsters and their chains and their goddamn noses and everything. We can get something out of this.
And that became the headbanger. And then they took it and ran with it.

Speaker 33 So, what do you think when you see your gimmick on WWE?

Speaker 33 Like, do you feel like, hey, you know, that's my gimmick? Or are you just happy that?

Speaker 34 No, I

Speaker 34 to get them to use the headbangers gimmick when they came in in 96, I signed paperwork for them

Speaker 34 because they wouldn't,

Speaker 34 it was the same thing as D-Lo Brown.

Speaker 34 They wouldn't use those names and or gimmicks, whatever you want to call them, if they were the boys and the boys had come up with them because they wanted to own everything.

Speaker 34 But because I was working there at the time and I could testify, testify.

Speaker 34 That, no, I named him D'Lo Brown and I named him the headbangers thrasher and mosh. And

Speaker 34 I'm with the office here. I was getting them a job, right?

Speaker 34 Instead of having them change all their shit, what the fuck then are you going to,

Speaker 34 why would you give somebody a job and then change all their shit?

Speaker 34 The reason why you gave them a job, right? So, nevertheless, so that's how they were able to do that.

Speaker 33 Well, there it is. So many people think of Smoky Mountain Wrestling and they think of, you know, the Allman Brothers, Jessica, or something, or Fire on the Mountain, the song.

Speaker 34 Yes.

Speaker 33 But between hip-hop and rap in 94 with the gangsters, and then the next year with the headbangers, you were kind of, in your own little way, as on top of alternative music as Paul Heyman was.

Speaker 34 It just had to fit.

Speaker 34 I didn't have a lot of guys. Would Bullet Bob have come out to public enemy?

Speaker 34 Right? I didn't.

Speaker 34 That's a thing to me, music.

Speaker 34 And that's, remember we've joked about old big Russ McCullough

Speaker 34 when the theme song that he actually picked was titled Dead and Bloated.

Speaker 34 And it was so ironic. It was a metaphor for his entire career and wrestling style.

Speaker 34 But it's not what the guys like and think that's a cool song. It's what song

Speaker 34 gives the vibe and the

Speaker 34 gets the people in the mood, gets the reaction.

Speaker 34 Born in the USA was the furthest thing from a patriotic song if you listen to the well it was patriotic in its own way but it was like rah-rah if you listen to the words but at the same time nobody listened to the words and they did born in the usa so for the baby face whatever right

Speaker 34 but the the entrance music has to

Speaker 34 reflect or enhance or create the vibe of who

Speaker 34 this guy is supposed to fucking be if he was really the person we're portraying him as, not what's his favorite song.

Speaker 34 And that's what

Speaker 34 you would go through with some of the guys when you were trying, especially at OVW.

Speaker 34 And some of them were knocked it out of the park, home runs, the

Speaker 34 fucking, it's reigning men for the heartbreakers.

Speaker 34 That was theirs. They came up with it and it was fucking perfect.
Because I didn't have music for, I couldn't get it.

Speaker 34 I said, I'm going to give you fucking Pat Venatar's heartbreaker if you don't give me something, right? And they thought i was serious and oh

Speaker 34 so they found something and it was perfect

Speaker 34 but other times it just it depends on what the guy's

Speaker 34 appearance i hate to say the word character but what their gimmick is

Speaker 34 as to what the fucking

Speaker 34 music should be, not just what they like or what's necessarily fashionable. So in OVW,

Speaker 34 all the shit was young people's music,

Speaker 34 except in a case of it was somebody's gimmick not to be, right?

Speaker 34 But in Smoky Mountain,

Speaker 34 that shit was actually newer than goddamn

Speaker 34 Taylor Swift's first hit would be right now. So it just people are looking back and going, that's old music.
Well, not really, because that's old footage.

Speaker 33 Yeah, the stud stable coming out the hard to handle wasn't exactly an old song. I mean, it was an old song, but that recording wasn't an old recording by that point.

Speaker 34 No, because it was the crows and it was on the radio and they were produced by Rick Rubin. And they were doing, pardon me if I'm giving Otis Redding credit, but it was Redding, right?

Speaker 34 It was a cover.

Speaker 33 It's definitely a cover because I know I've heard other versions. I don't know if it's an Otis Redding song or not.

Speaker 34 Well, maybe you could Google that by the time that I fucking blurt this out because it was the perfect thing for Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden.

Speaker 34 These two goddamn,

Speaker 34 they're six foot six apiece or whatever. And many people know that Robert Fuller had the biggest dick in captivity and those shit-eating grins they've got.
And they are country as fuck, just

Speaker 34 hillbilly fuck you, motherfuckers,

Speaker 34 with that personality.

Speaker 34 And here comes the fucking crows doing a fucking remake of a 60s song. It was perfect.
It gave you the fucking vibe, right?

Speaker 33 Yeah, it is Otis Redding. And the version I I knew was the Grateful Dead version because that was something they oh, good Lord.

Speaker 34 I can't, I have never heard that, and I can't imagine what it would sound like.

Speaker 33 Pigpen sang lead on that one. It was good.

Speaker 34 There needs to be somebody involved in that from down south to make it work. And I don't, I don't know where the instead of South San Francisco.

Speaker 33 Well, let me ask you about that.

Speaker 34 Hey, back here I am, a man on y'all scene.

Speaker 34 Let me ask you about, but basically, it was about Robert Fuller's giant cock is what that entrance music was about, and it fucking worked.

Speaker 33 I never even put two and two together. That's why that was the theme songs.

Speaker 34 That was the

Speaker 34 idea I had.

Speaker 34 They didn't give it like, they didn't give a shit. They never had music half the time they were in the business, right? It was like when I asked Jimmy Golden, what do you want to use for your finish?

Speaker 34 Well, I throw a pretty good drop kick. And he knocked a fucking guy out with it.
I was like, okay, it's your finish.

Speaker 33 Well, before we close up this look at the music of Smoky Mountain and Robert Fuller's dick, let me ask you about the one time that I know,

Speaker 33 at least now, and I'm sure it was then too, the wrestlers didn't like your choice of music. At least one of the two I know has been very public about it, Chris Jericho.

Speaker 33 He didn't like the song you picked for the Thrill Seekers.

Speaker 33 What was that discussion like? Did you have that song in your mind before you...

Speaker 34 There was no discussion. I said, here's your music.

Speaker 33 Like, where did that song? How did that come to you? What made you decide on that?

Speaker 34 I'm trying to think because we did. See, here's the thing.
With them, I did videos. I was taking off on,

Speaker 34 as Gomer Powell would say, I was taking off on the fabulous ones videos from,

Speaker 34 what, nine years previously or whatever the fuck. I was trying to.
get some girls to the matches. Little did I know I was going to get no cooperation from the faux fabulous ones.

Speaker 34 So I'm trying to remember what the

Speaker 34 entrance music was. What some of the music videos we did.

Speaker 33 What was that song? What was the song Rock America?

Speaker 34 That's right. Okay.
Simple.

Speaker 34 It was some goddamn heavy metal song or hair metal song by some goddamn hair metal band that was on the radio within the previous three or four years that here's these Canadian guys,

Speaker 34 young rock and roll types that are going to come down here to America and rock America. What the? How deep do we have to go with this?

Speaker 33 Is Lance Storm as far from a rock and roll type as you could think of now that you know the guy? Now that I know him,

Speaker 34 I would have brought him in for Sandy Scott's job if I'd have known of his personality, but I was just looking at his fucking beefy body.

Speaker 33 But is that a situation where you would have been like if Jericho and Storm come up to you and said, you know, we're okay with it if you want to do it, would you please listen to this and consider this?

Speaker 33 Would you have been open to it? Or were you pretty much?

Speaker 34 Wouldn't no, that's the thing is, they

Speaker 34 see Jericho

Speaker 34 now with hindsight didn't realize he was ever going to get to be a faux rock star like he was a faux fabulous one, right? He didn't know he was going to have the pull to do these things.

Speaker 34 So, I don't recall a conversation where they ever came up and said, We hate our music. Will you listen to this and we can change our music?

Speaker 34 And it, if it happened, no, it didn't happen,

Speaker 34 but so I can pretty much say that.

Speaker 34 I think they were embarrassed

Speaker 34 about the music videos also.

Speaker 34 I don't know. On Jericho's part, it may have been

Speaker 34 because of his musical choices were different than ours. But I think I just took it as both of them were embarrassed to be on goddamn camera because Lance was.

Speaker 34 Because they'd never been on camera before. And here we've got him out at Gatlinburg, you know, fucking doing things in the Smogy Mountains and interacting with the fans and supposed to be personable.

Speaker 34 And Lance was as social as a goddamn case crotch rot.

Speaker 34 So I didn't, you know, the point is, if they'd have given me something that was good under the parameters that I just discussed, I would have listened to it and or considered it.

Speaker 34 But they might have given me whatever fucking Chris listens to that he screeches along with

Speaker 34 on those

Speaker 34 videos of him shot by his phone where he's just screaming in the night and says, See, I can sing. And then ah, sounds like he's turned into a werewolf.

Speaker 33 That is still one of the funniest things ever. Where I think it was when he was feuding with Sebastian Bach.

Speaker 33 And like, yes, whether he could sing or not was called of the question. And he put up the videos, like him in his home office, like, watch this.
And he starts screeching.

Speaker 33 And you almost think he's joking. And you realize, oh my God, he's serious.
And he can't.

Speaker 34 Yeah, you get about a minute in and you think it's not a rib here. He is, no, this is the way it's supposed to be, he thinks.

Speaker 34 And what the fuck again, Sebastian Bach never said

Speaker 34 that Jericho couldn't wrestle, so why the fuck is Jericho trying to say I could outsing Sebastian Bach? But that's a story for another day.

Speaker 33 Can you imagine how you're Sebastian Bach and you get this like video, like, hey, Sebastian, look at this.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 34 You tell him, Antonio.

Speaker 33 Oh, no, it's not stopping again. Oh, man.
Oh, there we go. Tyada.

Speaker 34 But, but yes, but that's, that's the, the story on the song. So that's basically what that was.
But he see, he hated his music so bad, he broke his own arm on purpose to get out of it.

Speaker 34 He could have just give me another DVD, could he, or a CD? Who did the Canadians listen to in 1994?

Speaker 34 Was it Rush?

Speaker 33 I don't know if it was Rush then. Maybe.

Speaker 34 They're very Canadian, aren't they?

Speaker 33 It could have been. Maybe the Zit remedy.
I'm not exactly sure, but Jim, you may hear some mild noise in the background. They're doing some trimming.

Speaker 34 Oh, Christ. They're doing some trimming.

Speaker 33 It shouldn't be the usual.

Speaker 34 They're doing some trimming. Some people are being hoisted on their own petards.

Speaker 33 Well, what I was going to say, this is a Nokie thing. God damn it.
Oh, Tiger, almost. Jim, some people have a song and they want to sing it.
Some people have a book and they want you to read it.

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Speaker 34 I urge you to act quickly because I foresee that my life is going to be a revolving door of signing books and doing podcasts for the next eight weeks or so. But we're going to do this.

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By the way,

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Speaker 34 Which comes first, Christmas or Hanukkah? Hanukkah's first, right?

Speaker 33 Not always, but I believe this year it is.

Speaker 34 Well, as soon as what comes before that, is there any other holiday that comes before that?

Speaker 34 Well, besides, I mean, in the holiday, the Christmas area, any other people's holiday, order, order well before your first holiday, whatever part of the world you're in.

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Speaker 33 That's right. There's all sorts of noise.
Not Swami's going, but Jim Cornetta.

Speaker 34 Swami's going. Well, God, have you had his kidneys checked? Just right on the rug?

Speaker 33 Cornettescollectibles.com. I literally have a conversation with the guy.
I tell him what I'm going to record. He goes, oh, I'll have them do something else.

Speaker 33 And now. Yeah, they did.

Speaker 34 They went to lunch and came back.

Speaker 33 God damn it. Well, Jim, we have a lot to get to here today.
We have a whole lot to get to.

Speaker 33 Why don't we start with SmackDown? Because I know you watched it and there were a couple of things of note on this week's episode.

Speaker 1 This isn't just a game.

Speaker 3 It's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 34 Well, boy, howdy,

Speaker 34 you know,

Speaker 34 I will save

Speaker 34 the comments in comparing

Speaker 34 SmackDown and comparing the two promotions. I'll save it for when we get over to Wrestle Dream because SmackDown is and Raw, they're just going on about their merry way.

Speaker 34 They are not

Speaker 34 reacting to anything else in the world because they're just kind of doing their thing.

Speaker 34 And as little as possible is their thing.

Speaker 34 And what I don't understand,

Speaker 34 they started the show. This was October 17th, I believe, right? Correct? Boy, that means Halloween.

Speaker 34 All Hallows Eve is going to be on a Friday night. I wonder if they'll have their guys dressed up in costumes and Triple H can come out dressed as

Speaker 34 fucking Taka Michinoku or something.

Speaker 34 But they do the in-ring with Cody, and he's in the ring after they've done the package on the vision turn and the whole nine yards.

Speaker 34 And he milks it. It's eight minutes into the show before he spoke a fucking word.

Speaker 34 And they did just a brief promo on Seth.

Speaker 34 And then it, but now I've got issues of my own. I'm handling SmackDown business.

Speaker 34 Drew McIntyre and Jacob Fatu

Speaker 34 are having a number one contender match, and I'm going to be ready for whoever.

Speaker 34 And that was it.

Speaker 34 Besides the fact that

Speaker 34 it was barely worth the walk to the ring, the time he spent speaking,

Speaker 34 this confused me until I realized, even though

Speaker 34 we talked about on the last program we did, you and I, Brian, did we not? Am I in a hallucinatory state from book signing drunkenness?

Speaker 34 Didn't we talk about all the publicity that everybody's reported Jacob Fatu was injured and was going to be out and blah, blah, blah, already.

Speaker 33 Yeah, Experience 604 just came out.

Speaker 34 But it's not like we broke any guy. We didn't have the Pentagon papers here.
This was a widely known,

Speaker 34 who was it one time somebody cut a promo and said, it's a well-known secret. But it was a widely known thing that Jacob Fatu was injured amongst the wrestling fan and reporter community at large.

Speaker 34 Was it not?

Speaker 33 That's the word that had gone around before SmackDown, yes.

Speaker 34 So they just said, well, fuck it. We're just going to act like he's going to wrestle, and then we're just going to beat him up in a bat.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 how did these things get out to that wide an extent if that's not in their plans of what they're going to be doing?

Speaker 34 Because

Speaker 34 whatever the case, it didn't, it never will get to it.

Speaker 34 So that was the first segment.

Speaker 33 What did you think of Cody's energy? Again, we've talked about how Cody's kind of been minimized over the last several months, even though he's still the world champion.

Speaker 33 But, what'd you think of anything different you see, or is everything as good as normal?

Speaker 34 I didn't pay that much attention because I was waiting for him to get to the point, and he started leaving by the time that I was still waiting. I thought there was going to be some,

Speaker 34 and like everybody else, I was turning my head and looking to the back.

Speaker 34 In this case, I was turning my head and looking to the kitchen,

Speaker 34 but I was waiting for who was going to come out.

Speaker 34 They didn't come out.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 I'll tell you what they did do.

Speaker 34 They did have Cody later on in the back

Speaker 34 come up on Jacob Fatu. And Fatu gave him a big promo.
I'm going to, when I'm finished with you, with you, when I'm finished with Drew.

Speaker 34 Then I'm going to show you the real me or whatever the fuck he said. And Cody's like, good luck.
And I look forward to it.

Speaker 34 So there's still

Speaker 34 nothing the matter with Jacob.

Speaker 34 More on this in a moment.

Speaker 34 In between that, they had Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss and Saul Ruka and Zarya and Saria. Zarya.

Speaker 34 I didn't pay attention.

Speaker 34 Any comments on Cody yourself before we move along to

Speaker 34 what they've done

Speaker 34 to Sammy?

Speaker 33 No, nothing really really from the beginning. Like you said, I'm waiting for something to happen.
Took him long enough just to get to the ring.

Speaker 33 I mean, it's a dream for people who love fast-forwarding because you can kind of just go from one thing to another to another. You finish SmackDown in 20 minutes.

Speaker 34 See, that's the thing I miss about the streaming. It's hit or miss as to whether you can see what you're skipping or not, but I feel you.

Speaker 33 But I think even though Cody comes back later in the show and has a big angle, I guess technically a match, I think the thing that people were talking about the most after SmackDown was the U.S.

Speaker 33 Championship Challenge.

Speaker 34 Well, you're correct. And boy, I was scared to death because

Speaker 34 it apparently looked like it was going to be The Miz.

Speaker 34 And here comes The Miz. And then all of a sudden, here comes Carmelo Hayes.
Remember him?

Speaker 34 He's still around.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 he beat up Miz in the allway, and the people came out and they all fought off.

Speaker 34 And there's Sammy standing in the ring, and all of a sudden the music plays, and it's Ilya Kiriakin.

Speaker 34 No, that was David McCallum, wasn't it? It's Ilya Draganov.

Speaker 34 And I guess he's been hurt.

Speaker 34 I love

Speaker 34 he's he's he is a gimmick. You can tell this is not like

Speaker 34 something he's,

Speaker 34 doesn't want to do or be forced to do or whatever or didn't come up with himself. He's a gay, he's a little Tasmanian devil.

Speaker 34 That's what Dusty, I bet, would say. You're a little Tasmanian devil.

Speaker 34 And he and Gunther,

Speaker 34 remember, had one of the still one of the better matches that we've seen in years and years. And we like Ilya.

Speaker 34 So here he comes. And it's,

Speaker 34 I think he's better.

Speaker 34 Sammy and Javon gelled well because they do the spectacular

Speaker 34 spots and the flying, and it's very

Speaker 34 exciting in that visual aspect. And also Sammy, as I've said, can sell when he wants to, maybe closer to Ricky Morton than anybody today.

Speaker 34 I think Ilya. is best with the big fucking heel so he can be the underdog and the feisty,

Speaker 34 never say die fellow.

Speaker 34 if Darby Allen had had responsible parents and had grown up to be a responsible adult and an athlete

Speaker 34 instead of a crash test dummy.

Speaker 34 So I don't know that this match I enjoyed as much as I didn't enjoy as much as Sammy and Javon

Speaker 34 or as much as Ilya and Agunther.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 and also because it was broken up by two breaks in the first 15 minutes. So the first 15 minutes, eight minutes were on and seven minutes were off.

Speaker 34 But the fans in the building got behind Ilya again toward the end there

Speaker 34 because he wasn't,

Speaker 34 he's obviously not a heel and Sammy wasn't being

Speaker 34 a heel in that respect.

Speaker 34 And then finally, Sammy, you know, has made it mounted to come back and go to put him away. Solo comes out to the entranceway and stands there.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 Sammy delays his kick. And then when he went for the kick, Ilya hit him with a goddamn

Speaker 34 flying ding bat

Speaker 34 and hit him with a driving forearm and boom and one, two, three.

Speaker 34 So it's not like that Ilya did something to cheat, but he took advantage of something that he might not have even

Speaker 34 known was going on, wasn't responsible for. So

Speaker 34 we got a new champion.

Speaker 34 That part I like. Then we start going downhill.
But before we get there, Brian, comment on the top of the mountain before we get to the pit of the valley.

Speaker 33 I thought it was really good. I saw people raving about it.
Some saying it was WWE's best match or one of their best matches of the year. I think that's a little too far.

Speaker 33 I thought the Javon Evans match with Sammy was better than this one, but this was really good. Big pop at the end.

Speaker 33 Maybe it's a minor thing that's superficial that bothers me, but when a guy you've seen a little bit of and gotten into shows back up with

Speaker 33 the makings of, it didn't even look like it was finished, a giant chest and neck tattoo,

Speaker 33 it kind of throws me off a little bit. I'm sorry to say.
It just all of a sudden, like, what the fuck is this guy thinking? Is he an idiot?

Speaker 33 But he showed up with that, and

Speaker 33 I didn't think that looked the greatest. But Ilya's really good.

Speaker 33 Really good match.

Speaker 33 Really shitty post-match

Speaker 33 after it. But good moment.
The fans, they were really into it, and it was a good match.

Speaker 34 Well, and

Speaker 34 I'm glad that Ilya is back. I'm glad he's going to be on the main roster.
I'm glad they're doing something with him.

Speaker 34 Uh, love is in the air, right?

Speaker 34 And I've complimented Sammy as well. So, and none of this is their fault.
They're now at the

Speaker 34 muthy of the people pulling the strings. But

Speaker 34 Sammy and Ilya got up

Speaker 34 and they were face to face, face. We don't really know what, you know, might transpire.
And then here come

Speaker 34 Solos guys with their faces painted like panda bears.

Speaker 34 It's Jeff Cobb, right? JC Mateo, and it's it's taller Tonga. He's taller than all of them.

Speaker 34 And it's who's, there's Tongaloa.

Speaker 34 Have we got Toma Tonga back or is that the extent of them?

Speaker 33 Tomatonga there. Mona Loa.

Speaker 34 That's right. Who now? What?

Speaker 33 I'm confusing them with a macadamia nut. I'm sorry.

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 the point is

Speaker 34 the whole group of them, except for Solo,

Speaker 34 have their faces painted

Speaker 34 black and white. And I wasn't really exaggerating.
That's the first. When you look at one of those paint jobs on their faces, do you think Panda Bear before you think anything else?

Speaker 33 I had not, and I'm pretty sure I will think of nothing but that now that you brought it up.

Speaker 34 How could you not?

Speaker 34 There are white faces and black fucking circus. It's a panda bear.

Speaker 33 Maybe someone will throw some bamboo in the ring.

Speaker 34 Now, I know that I, again, I'm not up on all of the young folks. You know, I understand some of the cities in the country are burning, I understand, just riots.

Speaker 34 Are the street gangs now painting their faces

Speaker 34 black and white to imitate or simulate or

Speaker 34 copulate of a panda bear or if so or some type of what is this activity or is this just

Speaker 34 how can you take a group of Samoans that are 250 to 300 plus pounds that are up to seven feet tall

Speaker 34 and make them physically unintimidating to where the first response of a normal person would be, what the fuck are these guys?

Speaker 33 Is there anything to be said for war paint?

Speaker 33 Like, there are. That ain't it.

Speaker 34 No, there's no Samoan that has ever painted their face for war on the islands or even on Gilligan's Island that looks like this. What are you?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 34 if I'm wrong, if there is some warlike tribe of Maori's somewhere that paint their face like this, Google it right now and I'll give $1,000 to

Speaker 34 the Maori charity.

Speaker 33 Why don't you just give it to me if I find it?

Speaker 34 No, because you don't need it and you're not a Maori charity.

Speaker 33 I do the work. I should get the money, not the charity that you never heard of.

Speaker 34 Then you're going to have to move to a goddamn Pacific Island thousands of miles away from here and I'll send you that thousand dollars.

Speaker 33 Samoan war paint.

Speaker 33 They do, in fact, paint their faces, apparently. It appears to be.

Speaker 34 I'm not saying they don't paint their faces.

Speaker 33 They don't paint their faces like this. More umaga-ish.

Speaker 33 I don't see any photos of the white, except for the photos that come up of the bloodline actually that's the only photos i see the only one

Speaker 34 and they would

Speaker 34 is that so you can see them in the dark

Speaker 34 what the the giant glowing wouldn't that be the opposite of i thought war paint and like camouflage to disguise you from the enemy not make you glow

Speaker 34 But anyway,

Speaker 34 so

Speaker 33 what are they called? They're not the bloodline, right? They're something else.

Speaker 34 They're the MFTs,

Speaker 34 which I assumed was motherfucking Tongans, but now is apparently my family tree.

Speaker 33 Oh,

Speaker 34 either that or Solo also bought out that goddamn genealogy research website that went bankrupt and he's got that scam going now. I don't know.

Speaker 33 But if it's my family tree, he used to call them my MFT.

Speaker 34 So that'd be my, my family tree or the MFTs, my family trees.

Speaker 34 How many families are you branching off of there?

Speaker 34 His original name was Target because everybody had a shot at it.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, let's see.
Oh, come on now.

Speaker 34 No, I can't see now. No, I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 33 Let's get back to the Panda attack here.

Speaker 34 The Panda attack.

Speaker 33 It was like a Chinese zoo on SmackDown.

Speaker 34 To be fair, now, they reminded me of Mike Boyette

Speaker 34 when he was apocalypse, a soldier of fortune. I've told you this story years ago, but one of the first people I managed in 1982 was poor hippie Mike Boyette, who had come up with a gimmick

Speaker 34 because he was a legitimate fucking badass judo guy in the 60s, I came to find out. And as well, he had been

Speaker 34 in some type of branch of the service in Vietnam,

Speaker 34 which

Speaker 34 may explain quite a bit of Mike's future life and mental state.

Speaker 34 And also, Mike was one of the trailblazers in pro wrestling and pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 34 So he sells Dundee on a gimmick to bring him into Memphis as Apocalypse, the Soldier of Fortune. And Apocalypse, the movie,

Speaker 34 had just been three or four years or if that long, whatever the fuck, right? Big movie. And they're in the war, right?

Speaker 34 So he's got the fucking camouflage. He's got the

Speaker 34 khaki pants and the combat boots. And he's got a netting the war to the ring as a jacket and a

Speaker 34 camouflage hat. And he painted his face like a camouflage.
You're hiding in the jungle. And it kind of looked badass.
And then the first, he lost the boots after three weeks, but I came in one night.

Speaker 34 I said,

Speaker 34 Mike, where's your boots? He's sitting there barefoot, right? No say so. I'm going to work barefoot.
That's why he said, they said, my boots were made out of potatoes.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 then as the gimmick went on,

Speaker 34 which I think was part of the pharmaceutical trailblazing, and eventually,

Speaker 34 you know, that would catch up with him, but he started doing these outlandish paint designs where at one time he, I've got great pictures. He was actually a panda bear.

Speaker 34 It It was a black and white panda bear and the headgear matched and he would have a bright red, blood red tongue with

Speaker 34 some other type of designs that he would have stood out on the goddamn moon. It was completely, he was just pilled up.

Speaker 34 It was amazing.

Speaker 34 Then he broke his or hurt his neck on Bobby Fulton's stomach and

Speaker 34 left my establishment,

Speaker 34 my dynasty of champions.

Speaker 33 Once again, let's get away from your establishment. Back to the Panda House.

Speaker 34 Yes. So anyway, they came out and beat up Sammy and Ilya.

Speaker 34 And this is what, and then Phoenix came out and they beat him up too.

Speaker 34 And this is what I was about to say 10 minutes ago. I'm glad that Ilya's on the roster, but

Speaker 34 it's obvious that they.

Speaker 34 This was kind of okay, but yeah, we got other things to do. This was not a moment that was focused on.

Speaker 34 so he, it's not like they're giving him a rocket ship to the main event at WrestleMania, but now he's the U.S. champion.
But then they

Speaker 34 beat them up, and Solo got on the microphone and talked long enough to

Speaker 34 lose some interest. And then the lights went out,

Speaker 34 and when they came back on, there was the Wyatt Schitz

Speaker 34 standing on the ring apron. I'm like, oh, God.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I'd lulled myself into a false sense of security, Brian, and I forgot these guys were around.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 here are these giant Samoan guys in this ring, even though they're painted to look

Speaker 34 like a clown in the fucking, you know, Ringling Brothers.

Speaker 34 There's how many of them now did we establish? Is there five? There was five of them.

Speaker 33 The Samoans, there were five, yeah. Yes.

Speaker 34 And of the Wyatt six, there's four. What?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 three men and a woman.

Speaker 34 Well, so three

Speaker 34 people and a woman.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 34 But no, but I'm just saying there's four of them to begin. The Wyatt six, but there's four.

Speaker 34 And as they're standing lined up,

Speaker 34 the woman is one of them.

Speaker 34 And she's lined up with Solo. Was she not like in the middle? Like, she, I'm like, how, what the fuck?

Speaker 34 And Solo turns around and calls his guys off.

Speaker 34 Would the, would a year and a half ago, would the bloodline have

Speaker 34 just eaten these people?

Speaker 33 No, because the bloodline would have never been in the same segment with these people.

Speaker 33 And that's the problem with Solo's group. Solo's group dragged Jacob Fatu down eventually when they had him turn.
And then there's nothing happening with them.

Speaker 33 If they're going to be in a feud with the Wyatts, and I can't imagine that's going to go too long because they also beat up Sammy and Ilya and Dragon Lee.

Speaker 33 This is the makings for the worst war games ever.

Speaker 34 Is that Dragon Lee? I thought that was Phoenix.

Speaker 33 Oh, Ray Phoenix. Excuse me.
Excuse me.

Speaker 34 Well, Dragon Lee is a game.

Speaker 34 Are you racist? You don't know which masked guy is which.

Speaker 33 But my point is,

Speaker 33 I don't know what any of this is. I don't know if there's any demand for it.
I think the U.S. Championship Challenge was good over the last several weeks with a good match here.

Speaker 33 It's amazing to think this is all part of the end of that.

Speaker 33 But again, why didn't Solo just super kick the girl if she comes in the ring? Wouldn't that change everything? I mean, we have so much intergender fighting happening now in wrestling.

Speaker 33 If the Wyatts are there in the dark and they creep up behind you and there's five of you and there's three men and a woman, so that means, you know, one-on-one, one-on-one, the girl's going to take on two guys, I guess.

Speaker 33 Take her out, make the other guys go save her. And where's the leader? Where's Bo Dallas? Other than the video screen.

Speaker 33 Again, I'm thinking too much about this because it's terrible.

Speaker 33 But yeah,

Speaker 33 that's what we have to look forward to.

Speaker 33 This whole segment was kind of the good and bad of SmackDown. A good competitive match that makes sense because it builds into a multi-week storyline of Sami Zayn having the U.S.
title

Speaker 33 open challenge. A couple of guys almost won it.
Someone did today. And then immediately you get stuff with people you don't care about feuding with other people you don't care about.

Speaker 34 Well, the new champion is laying on his face somewhere off camera.

Speaker 34 So

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Speaker 33 Let's now transport ourselves back to SmackDown.

Speaker 34 Oh, I forgot we were still doing that.

Speaker 34 Well, here's what happened.

Speaker 34 After we got the,

Speaker 34 I think, the machine guns and the mechanical garzas,

Speaker 34 it was main event time, the number one contender match. It's supposed to be Drew McIntyre and Jacob Fatu.
And then, as we mentioned earlier, even though that it has been somewhat

Speaker 34 widely reported that Jacob Fatu was out, and we've already done a program on it for what was described as a non-wrestling injury,

Speaker 34 more on on this in a moment.

Speaker 34 They're still just on this show.

Speaker 34 They really don't give a shit anymore whether everybody knows it's phony. If it's going to,

Speaker 34 except if somebody breaks their leg and goes down and is non-ambulatory, they're just going to go through with this shit no matter what, I guess.

Speaker 34 But nevertheless.

Speaker 34 The music plays for Fatu, no Fa2.

Speaker 34 And then on the screen, they're running. It's chaos.
Oh my God, Fatu's down. Somebody's turned over

Speaker 34 the Jolly Green Giant's erector set. I don't know what's laying on him.
It's a giant thing, and he's bleeding from the mouth, and there's teeth laying all over the floor.

Speaker 34 And there's a big old pool of blood.

Speaker 34 And there's

Speaker 34 lots of teeth on the floor.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 we'll get back to that.

Speaker 34 But Aldous come, or not Aldous, but Drew McIntyre came out

Speaker 34 and cut the promo first and called him bleeding gums fatu and is telling the referee to raise his hand, give me the match. This guy's obviously not able to continue, compete, whatever.

Speaker 34 Then Aldous came out

Speaker 34 and he's like, did you have something? I didn't have anything to do with it. I just, I want this match.
I want the win. Give it to me now.
And Cody comes out and says, you know what you did.

Speaker 34 I don't think he did it.

Speaker 34 But nevertheless,

Speaker 34 these fans wanted a number one contender match. Cody says, so you wanted the title match.
Well, let's have it right here, right now.

Speaker 34 And the thing I could see again, this is so dusty-ish.

Speaker 34 Cody's dressed in his street clothes. Dusty would have been

Speaker 34 not in a fucking custom-made suit, but he would have been in his dusty apparel.

Speaker 34 And he and it would have added to the fucking impromptuness of the match and the way that they

Speaker 34 just kicked into it.

Speaker 34 Except as soon as they started the fight,

Speaker 34 they went to a break. And you had to sit there for three minutes if you did and go,

Speaker 34 And that's that's one thing that if I could change about their production versus AEWs,

Speaker 34 at least AEW will give you a few minutes to get hooked on the match or involved in the match in some kind of way. Most time it doesn't work,

Speaker 34 but you have the opportunity. Here, it's like as soon as they actually start fighting, ah, we don't want to see it.

Speaker 34 But nevertheless, and they did the picture in picture, yes, but it's just, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 34 At which they fought all over the arena and then back and came back with eight minutes on the air and then rang the bell for the match. And boom,

Speaker 34 they just had to have a flurry and the fans were into it. And it was a back and forth fight.

Speaker 34 And then Cody made a big comeback and Drew threw him over the rail, but Cody grabbed the belt and crowned Drew with it and got disqualified.

Speaker 34 And then Cody cleared off the desk. It was going to give him the crossroads on the desk, but security came out and flooded him.

Speaker 34 So Cody jumped up to the top rope and dove off on everybody.

Speaker 34 And then they drag Drew out,

Speaker 34 just like they drag out most of their television programming. So, for what it was, that was very effective.

Speaker 34 But again, it's, you know, we just totaled up the 15 minutes of excitement in

Speaker 34 a two-hour program. And,

Speaker 34 you know, I just, I, oh, and as, and so, Fatuba, I'll give you a chance to chime in on all of it.

Speaker 34 Now they're saying

Speaker 34 it's dental work.

Speaker 34 They were at first saying he was going to be out of the ring, maybe till into 2026. Dental work?

Speaker 33 Wait, someone said he was going to be out until the end of 2026?

Speaker 34 No, into

Speaker 34 the calendar year 2020.

Speaker 34 The first story was he would be out into 2026. That was a couple of weeks ago.
Now they're saying, oh, it might not be as long.

Speaker 34 What is he? Is he having his fucking jaw replaced?

Speaker 34 That fucking guy is going to, you know,

Speaker 34 dental work can be painful. And I would think if he's having something extensive done,

Speaker 34 you wouldn't want to work for a couple of weeks. But

Speaker 34 I don't know what he could be having done that they would need to

Speaker 34 injure him on camera and him take a month or two off.

Speaker 34 The dentists out there in the cult cornico, we're not trying to knock Jacob Fatu. We love him.

Speaker 34 So we're trying to get to the bottom of this. What could they be doing

Speaker 34 that he would need to take enough time off that

Speaker 34 you would need to hurt him on television and knock all of his teeth out on the floor?

Speaker 34 That's what I'm wondering.

Speaker 33 Well, it's not uncommon for wrestlers to show up with all new teeth in the last few years. I mean, look at his cousin Roman Reigns.

Speaker 34 Well, yeah, but Roman only wrestled one time to goddamn a month to begin with, or even less.

Speaker 34 I don't see Jacob Fatu as the kind of guy who would say, I'm going to have some elective bullshit done, so take me off television.

Speaker 34 I'd say he wants to work. He wants to get over.
He wants to be a fucking star. I'm trying to think what is fucked up so bad in his mouth

Speaker 34 that, and I'm not even trying to belittle him. I'm just, I need clarity on this.
Somebody out there, besides Dr. Mike Lano

Speaker 34 with a dentistry degree.

Speaker 33 He might be the cause of all these problems. Jacob Fatu's from the Bay Area.

Speaker 34 Shit, do you think he, oh my God, and that's it? He's been worked on by Dr. Mike Lano.

Speaker 34 That would take even the Samoan werewolf down to his knees.

Speaker 34 Holy God, I've said we might be, we might be doing some sad singing and slow walking coming up for Jacob Fatu

Speaker 34 if Dr. Mike Lano has been inside of his head.

Speaker 33 You know, one of my favorite defenses years ago that some people would have for Mike Lano's not crazy would be nice. I used to talk to him all the time and everything seemed normal.

Speaker 33 And then the more we'd come out, but yeah, but when I was talking to him, I'd hear like a drill in the background. You'd be calling people talk wrestling.
Oh, they're patients in the fucking chamber.

Speaker 34 Allegedly, allegedly allegedly but at least the patients were unconscious so they never know allegedly no i work i just allege that myself well again uh jacob fatu we wish you well if it is dr michael andle you're seeing you may want to go to a new dentist but and and here's the thing also with fatu's

Speaker 34 it

Speaker 34 the giant pool of blood that they had on the ground along with the teeth,

Speaker 34 and at the same time, by the time they went back to see him again,

Speaker 34 you know, before this

Speaker 34 main event or, you know, before the whole thing was over with, he was still spitting,

Speaker 34 but it wasn't really bleeding still. And it was kind of like it was, I've seen blood on the floor and I've not seen that amount of teeth.
You need a baseball bat, right?

Speaker 34 But I've seen blood on the floor and I've had a tooth knocked out.

Speaker 34 and it just it didn't look very legitimate but

Speaker 34 he would not have been

Speaker 34 his face would have needed to be reconstructed if somebody had knocked that many teeth out of that guy all at the same time

Speaker 34 he would have not have been sitting there spitting

Speaker 33 hey one last thing on this before we close up smackdown you mentioned before that you're starting not to think or you don't believe that it was Drew that took out Jacob Fatu.

Speaker 33 Could this just be a way to finish up everything with Fatu and Drew without actually finishing anything up so that when he comes back,

Speaker 33 there doesn't have to be a match. You can move him on to something else.

Speaker 34 Well, there can always be a match, and they might still want to reignite it, but they want to get the attention off of it because that's they're not going to deliver what they said they were going to deliver.

Speaker 34 So they want

Speaker 34 the people to want something else, which is what they turned them down

Speaker 34 this primrose path. So

Speaker 34 I mean, they got to do what they got to do,

Speaker 34 but they may very well revisit it at some point in time when they can give it. But now they're

Speaker 34 the reason why they did this, obviously, is they're going to take the place of,

Speaker 34 they're going to replace a major Fatu match or something in the plan with

Speaker 34 Cody and Drew now on something that we've

Speaker 34 yet to fucking determine just because they're changing shit around a little bit and they want to lean the people to think in a different direction

Speaker 33 well that was wwe smackdown and we shall return right after this short commercial timeout

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Speaker 34 So is the guy with the chainsaw back there.

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Speaker 34 Brian, I've got a bulletin over here. You know, unbeknownst to you, I've had Jay Sharknado out on the crime beat.

Speaker 34 I think he has the makings of a hell of an investigative reporter, and he's gotten to the bottom. Have you heard about the big crime of the century here lately over in Paris, which is over in France?

Speaker 34 where they broke into the famous museum, the Louvre.

Speaker 34 Have you heard about this?

Speaker 33 The Louvre, yes, a big surprising criminal activity. It's supposed to be like a fortress, and somehow this happened midday, apparently.
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Speaker 33 Jewels from Napoleon that were stolen.

Speaker 34 Now that we know how they did it now.

Speaker 34 Officials say four thieves used a truck-mounted basket lift and power tools. To make off with priceless crown jewels from the world's most visited museum on Sunday.

Speaker 34 The brazen heist was carried out in less than eight minutes.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 Sunday at 9:30 in the morning, the museum is open.

Speaker 34 In summary, they parked a basket lift on the side of the museum that faces the river and used it to gain access to a balcony where they forced open a window using an angle grinder.

Speaker 34 What did Kurt have to do with this? Do you think? Wasn't I've heard of an angle slam,

Speaker 34 but not,

Speaker 34 nevertheless, they

Speaker 33 was his ex-wife.

Speaker 34 Go

Speaker 34 and they entered the museum's Apollo gallery, home to the historic collection of crown jewels. They smashed two high-security display cases and grabbed eight objects before fleeing on two motorcycles.

Speaker 34 They were inside the museum less than four minutes.

Speaker 34 The French Minister of Culture

Speaker 33 said said they. He said, I surrender.
I surrender.

Speaker 34 Oh, quiet now.

Speaker 34 You can't keep browbeating these poor people.

Speaker 34 And maybe they wanted to just infiltrate from within.

Speaker 34 But nevertheless, he said they were very efficient, is what he said. Is that French?

Speaker 34 They were very efficient. That's Clouseau.

Speaker 34 One of the suspects attempted to set fire to the truck they used to carry out the raid, but was stopped oh by a louvre security official officer

Speaker 34 and then so they got a how did he stop them

Speaker 34 well i guess he had a fire extinguisher i don't they didn't capture them they didn't stop them he just stopped them starting a fire maybe he bungled out there on the street and said why are you trying to set that truck on fire and they just ran off and then later on

Speaker 34 they said hey did you see two guys yeah i guess that's stopped them.

Speaker 33 I guess that time of day, considering what happened, that is where the security guard would be out on the street wandering around. Yeah,

Speaker 34 but they got a tiara necklace and single earring from the sapphire set belonging to 19th-century French queens

Speaker 34 Marie Amelia and Hortense.

Speaker 34 There's another woman's name that you do not encounter often anymore: Hortense.

Speaker 33 An emerald necklace and a

Speaker 34 H-O-R-T-E-N-S-E hortense.

Speaker 34 You can imagine what some of their nicknames were for short.

Speaker 34 An emerald necklace and a pair of emerald earrings from Empress Marie Louise.

Speaker 34 She played Ginger on Gilligan's Island.

Speaker 34 Also, a reliquary brooch.

Speaker 34 Brooch. Is it a brooch or brooch?

Speaker 33 Brooch.

Speaker 34 Well, this is B-R-O-O-C-H.

Speaker 33 Brioche.

Speaker 34 A reliquary brioche, a tiara and brioche belonging to Empress Eugenie,

Speaker 34 wife of Napoleon III.

Speaker 34 And they have inestimable heritage and historical value.

Speaker 34 They dropped the Empress Eugenie's crown,

Speaker 34 which features 1,354 diamonds, 1,136 rose-cut diamonds, whatever the case that is, and 56 emeralds. It was found near the scene.

Speaker 34 They dropped all the goddamn, they dropped the crown. That was the crowning fucking

Speaker 34 thing.

Speaker 34 But they have vowed to catch the suspects, recover the priceless artifacts, buy cracky,

Speaker 34 and somebody's somebody's going down for this,

Speaker 34 especially fucking with Empress Eugenie's shit, for God's sake.

Speaker 33 That was the name we read the other day. One of Prince Andrew's daughters was Princess Eugenie.

Speaker 34 It runs into family, sort of like hortense.

Speaker 34 She ran through the whole family.

Speaker 33 That's what Prince Andrew called it when he saw the look on the face of these women. Hortense.

Speaker 34 Andrew. All right.
But anyway, so now we know what's happened to the crown jewels or some of them.

Speaker 33 You hear the chainsaw? You hear my crown jewels? I hear your chains.

Speaker 34 Yes, I hear your chainsaw. But the people,

Speaker 34 they understand.

Speaker 33 This is actually the team that pulled off the hit at the Louvre. They're practicing right now.
This is what they do. They just cut endlessly.

Speaker 34 If they've got a truck with a bucket lift, I would watch out.

Speaker 33 Well, Jim.

Speaker 34 Yes.

Speaker 33 that was international intrigue. But let's now move on to the opposite of intrigue.
I don't know what exactly it is, but AEW had their annual tribute to Antonio Inoki Wrestle Dream.

Speaker 33 This time

Speaker 33 it took place again. I don't remember where it was.
Where was it this year, Jim? Do you remember?

Speaker 34 Back here for the very first time in St. Louis.

Speaker 33 St. Missouri.
That's right.

Speaker 34 That's right. That's why they had the big arch on the stage there.

Speaker 34 Actually, they were trying to conduct some kind of weird fucking Tesla experiment.

Speaker 33 The home of Lou Fez, the home of Sam Mushnick, the home of St. Louis Wrestling.
What better way to honor the traditional NWA stylings of St. Louis wrestling?

Speaker 34 Poor Charlie Fez.

Speaker 33 Charlie Fez, who was having a great time. Literally, they were saying hello to her mid-match at some points on the show.

Speaker 33 It's a great fan experience, AEW, but let's talk about wrestling.

Speaker 34 Do you remember

Speaker 34 that great moment between Luthes and Dick Hutton where they waterboarded each other?

Speaker 33 I think that was actually between Carl Gottsch and Buddy Rogers, if I'm remembering correctly.

Speaker 34 It came close to it. If they'd been in the showers instead of where they were, it

Speaker 34 all right.

Speaker 33 Well, it's a long road to waterboarding.

Speaker 34 It's a long road to tipperary, but we're going to go anyway.

Speaker 34 I think i've come up with it brian to explain this whole show this aew wrestle dream pay-per-view premium live event whatever i can explain it and the answer is

Speaker 34 that all these guys

Speaker 34 all the wrestlers in the locker room they got together and they said you know what we have done everything we can do literally they've done everything they can do And we beat up our bodies and just put ourselves in a hospital.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 this ain't going to work.

Speaker 34 We hate these money because the WWE, they're making more money than the Philadelphia Mint

Speaker 34 with a branch office in Carson City.

Speaker 34 They are like, what the fuck? We do all this shit. And

Speaker 34 yeah, Tony's paying us, but we ain't drawing shit.

Speaker 34 And meanwhile, they don't do anything. And the people are goddamn fighting to get in there.

Speaker 34 And they've got together and they said, let's kill it. Let's just kill it.

Speaker 34 What's the downside?

Speaker 34 The way that we all work, we're not going to make it the next three or four years anyway. Tony's never going to give up.
He's going to pay for this thing no matter what happens.

Speaker 34 If we hospitalize ourselves, then we at least get to stay home. We still get paid.

Speaker 34 But let's just

Speaker 34 do every kind of farcical

Speaker 34 parody,

Speaker 34 jackass wrestling stunt that we possibly let's just kill it. Let's do everything.
Let's where they can't possibly do anything else they haven't already seen. At least for the people

Speaker 34 that are seeing what the fuck we're doing,

Speaker 34 we'll kill it for them.

Speaker 34 And that's the way they're going to take the WWE out of business by killing the whole fucking wrestling business.

Speaker 34 This is my proposal now. They can't honestly think this is good on purpose anymore.

Speaker 34 Can they?

Speaker 33 I think they do. And I think that's the problem.
I think he does. And I think that's the problem.
I think there are wrestlers who Tony gives a lot of leeway to, like a Darby or a Jon Moxley.

Speaker 33 And it's not just them, but they go way too far with it.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 does stuff that doesn't help the company, the perception of the company, the perception of wrestling, makes both guys look like morons.

Speaker 33 But AEW, I think, thinks they're doing a good job. It's, you know, it's a tired phrase.
The inmates are running the asylum. Tony's running the asylum.

Speaker 34 Tony needs to be an inmate.

Speaker 33 The inmates are running free in the asylum. And there's no guards.
There's just no fucking guards. And the guards there just like, you know, shrug and go, oh, fuck, there's nothing I could do.

Speaker 33 These inmates are going to go jump off that fucking ladder right onto their head. I can't stop them.

Speaker 33 Yeah, AEW is a tale of excess.

Speaker 33 And, you know, Tony Khan's the same guy that I believe has said at Media Scrums that AEW is a family product for everybody.

Speaker 33 That's not even close to true.

Speaker 34 Yeah, but that's only if you don't like your family.

Speaker 34 Jesus, hey,

Speaker 34 bring, bring, bring mother-in-law and

Speaker 34 Uncle Claude over and let's make them watch this shit.

Speaker 34 Good lord. All righty.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 they were in St. Louis, as we mentioned, at the Chafetz Arena.
This thing was chafing on me about midway through.

Speaker 34 But before the actual

Speaker 34 pay-per-view itself, of course, as you know, they have a pre-show, which now they call a tailgate brawl.

Speaker 34 Are the people just allowed to drive their vehicles into the building and just

Speaker 34 just watch them brawl what where did that air because

Speaker 33 i got

Speaker 33 amazon and i got a one-hour pre-show that appeared to be in the arena from up high called zero hour which has always been the name of their pre-show and it was renee and rj and lance archer who for oh you doesn't gotta call him rj for a giant heel who should be a killer he is like so well composed on the microphone but they had and jeff jarrett of course because, you know, this has been the year of the retirement of John Cena and Jeff Jarrett.

Speaker 33 Let's not forget that.

Speaker 33 But where's Tailgate Party Air?

Speaker 34 I don't know because I'm, and this time I was able to differentiate because I got it on Amazon.

Speaker 34 But they said, do you want to watch the zero hour? No.

Speaker 34 You know, do you want to watch the okay?

Speaker 34 But they do it somewhere and it's in the building and they're broadcasting it somewhere.

Speaker 34 But nevertheless,

Speaker 34 they had a number of matches, as you would imagine, before

Speaker 34 the actual show matches.

Speaker 34 I'm reading the research.

Speaker 33 Should it be in the parking lot? If it's a tailgate thing, if that's the name you're going to use, why wouldn't it be in the parking lot?

Speaker 34 Well, I don't know. It doesn't really say.
It doesn't say, but at the same time,

Speaker 34 when the last match on the

Speaker 34 zero hour or pre-show or tailgate party or whatever the fuck

Speaker 34 bled over into

Speaker 34 the actual pay-per-view. They were in the ring in the building.

Speaker 34 So I don't know. You're asking me to try to explain things related to Tony Kahn's mind.
Help me.

Speaker 34 Help me.

Speaker 34 So evidently, Claudio and Wheeler and Danny Garcia and PAC

Speaker 34 beat

Speaker 34 Kyle O'Reilly, EG,

Speaker 34 Roderick Strong, and Pockets.

Speaker 34 So a good eight-man tag to start the night off.

Speaker 33 And then that night truly is a battle of who is the worst faction.

Speaker 33 The Death Riders, who have been awful, and the conglomeration, which appears to just be any babyface who has nothing to do, they throw into this thing. Man or woman.

Speaker 33 Ishi E just in the middle of this out of nowhere makes no sense. Orange Cassidy, Adam Cole's old friends, Mark Briscoe, Willow Nightingale.
It's the biggest makeshift group.

Speaker 33 But again, the Death Riders completely fucking suck.

Speaker 34 But also, that's their truth in advertising. That's why they call it the conglomeration.

Speaker 34 So, see, you know, they're admitting up front, here's just a bag of miscellaneous parts.

Speaker 34 But anyway, of course, the Death Riders have to win that because

Speaker 34 naturally they do.

Speaker 34 Then apparently, Eddie Kingston has taken Hook under his armpit.

Speaker 34 An unenviable position for anyone.

Speaker 34 And they wrestled Brian the Frat House.

Speaker 34 Griff Garrison and Cole Carter.

Speaker 34 Get out of the way, Fro Cole Carter. He's a real stinky farter.

Speaker 34 He'll shit on your head when you ain't looking because he's been eating Granny's cooking.

Speaker 33 You know, thinking long-term booking in a couple of years, they're perfectly set up for a really good Eddie Kinkson Coda Ibushi feud over who has the most time off.

Speaker 33 You broke my record.

Speaker 34 Well, they did that.

Speaker 34 Then

Speaker 34 Harley Cameron and Willow Nightingale wrestled Megan Brain and Penelope Pitstop.

Speaker 34 And I don't see who who won.

Speaker 34 Oh, Willow, Willow won.

Speaker 34 Willow won.

Speaker 34 And then the match that started the pay-per-view, because now their strategy is:

Speaker 34 we'll get a hot match going and we'll run it into

Speaker 34 the main show, the pay-per-view. So we've hooked the people from wherever this is showing or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 34 And they picked FTR against Kevin Knight and Hong Kong Fuye.

Speaker 34 The first thing that you saw on the pay-per-view, and the match is already going on, but they fire the pyro off anyway when they come up on the air for the pay-per-view.

Speaker 34 But the first thing you see is,

Speaker 34 again, this fucking little,

Speaker 34 weasel,

Speaker 34 innocuous, bland.

Speaker 34 What more terminology can I use to describe Spitball?

Speaker 33 Fourth-degree black belt, notorious badass. Oh, Christ.
Baddest man in the house.

Speaker 34 Well, he's up on top of one of FTR throwing some fake girly punches.

Speaker 34 And that's the first thing you see. They're kicking the shit out of FTR.
And then Stokely gets in the ring and interferes in front of the referee.

Speaker 34 And it was

Speaker 34 a continuous four-way, except when two guys would roll out and hide on the floor. So the other two guys could do their shit.
And the referee doing nothing about that anyway.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 what it was was FTR trying

Speaker 34 to fucking tear the house down with anybody to show

Speaker 34 we can do it with anybody.

Speaker 34 And most of the time in this company,

Speaker 34 They end up with people that can't keep up or it's preposterous or

Speaker 34 at some point,

Speaker 34 dude, it ain't your place.

Speaker 34 This isn't even like the Midnight Express and the Rock and Roll Express trying to steal the show in Greensboro.

Speaker 34 It's like, my God, there's going to be four more hours of this shit

Speaker 34 and just 100 miles an hour.

Speaker 34 And again, it would bury a 15-year-old girl not to be able to overpower Bailey.

Speaker 34 I would take the other Bailey in a fight with this Bailey.

Speaker 34 So, I mean, do you see they just get complicated and

Speaker 34 the baby faces can't follow it and it gets to be too much regardless for anybody?

Speaker 33 Yeah, I do get that.

Speaker 33 I think that

Speaker 33 on a positive note,

Speaker 33 I do like the idea of starting the pay-per-view with FTR. That's the best chance you got to have the show start with a reasonable wrestling match

Speaker 33 in a perfect world, not necessarily this.

Speaker 33 But they didn't even do that. They started in the middle of it.
I didn't even have access to the beginning of the match.

Speaker 33 I thought it was all right. You know, the speedball Mike Bailey thing,

Speaker 33 even if he is the biggest badass of all time, even if he's the toughest motherfucker who ever lived, he doesn't look like it. And this is a cosmetic injury.
This is a cosmetic industry.

Speaker 33 And I think it matters. I think, you know, if you have someone who's the toughest guy ever and he's a tiny little guy,

Speaker 33 you know, that shouldn't be the gimmick necessarily, but, you know, they like him. The AEW fans like him.

Speaker 33 FTR

Speaker 33 did a lot here. It was almost like they were trying to do a classic FTR match.

Speaker 33 And yeah, those are my thoughts. Yeah.

Speaker 34 And, you know, that may be a good term to describe, Bailey, though. Cosmetic injury.
What

Speaker 34 he's suffered one either through mother nature or whatever. And then to finish, go ahead.

Speaker 33 I mean, but that's the thing. Like, if you said,

Speaker 33 you know, if you have Wardlow, and again, we don't have him, we won't have him for a while, but like him, when he was in shape when he was first there, if you had said that guy's the baddest guy on the planet, you could build that, even if it's not true, because it looks reasonable.

Speaker 33 With a Mike Bailey, it doesn't seem reasonable. Like, unless you get like real, like, security cam footage of him kicking the shit out of everyone at a bar,

Speaker 33 it doesn't seem reasonable.

Speaker 34 Don't give him any ideas.

Speaker 33 Do it, Tony. Let him start the fight and let him finish the fight.
Let's see what happens. And then we can do a weekly thing.
Just take the wrestlers and put them in real-life bar fights.

Speaker 34 I'd put them in. But then, also, some wise ass is going to say, Well, Bruce Lee was only 140 pounds.

Speaker 34 That's the part where the aura comes in, where the ability to project some level of

Speaker 34 that

Speaker 34 comes in. And

Speaker 34 you can't compare this. He's, you know, he's taking your order at a fucking subway, this guy.
Yeah. It's not, you know.

Speaker 33 The kicks, like even if he's a real karate or throw real kicks, he looks like he's auditioning for the rockettes when he throws them that quickly.

Speaker 33 Like, it doesn't look like this guy's a badass. It looks like this guy goes to jazzer size.

Speaker 34 Look how fast I can lift my feet up in the air.

Speaker 34 Yes,

Speaker 34 you know, we like it. We like it.
All right.

Speaker 34 And that's where they went to ringside for Tony Schiavone with poor Charlie Fez. It's good to see that she's doing well, but

Speaker 34 she was trying to put St. Louis over.
And oh, it's just wonderful, the wonderful matches. And she's a very nice woman.
But

Speaker 34 Luthes would have vomited

Speaker 34 already

Speaker 34 on his shoes if he was in the front row.

Speaker 34 I mean, yet he stayed interested and involved with the business. He, when he lived in Norfolk in the 80s, he used to go to the matches there every once in a while at the scope.
But

Speaker 34 no, can you imagine at any point in time? Luthes, who,

Speaker 34 when he was NWA champion, told him he didn't want to be booked on the same card with women and midgets because he felt it demeaned the industry,

Speaker 34 and

Speaker 34 who

Speaker 34 pretty much never

Speaker 34 participated in any kind of gimmick match, even with stipulations.

Speaker 34 It was a rare thing. And, Brian,

Speaker 34 you have the wrestling news archive. I've got an incredible photo collection.

Speaker 34 When's the last time you saw a picture of Luthes bleeding in the wrestling ring?

Speaker 33 I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Speaker 34 Well, he wrestled from 1935 until the mid-1980s

Speaker 34 in 50 years.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 what the fuck would he think about all this?

Speaker 34 He would slap the guys around 50 years ago if he didn't think they were legitimate wrestlers then.

Speaker 34 What would he do with Jack Perry?

Speaker 33 Again, this is Luthez, who we heard at one point or another hated Memphis-type wrestling, gimmicks, didn't want to wrestle on shows with women.

Speaker 33 He would have gone apeshit over this show.

Speaker 34 But, you know, and she was, again, searching, oh, it's great to be back in St. Louis, but nevertheless.

Speaker 33 Was that it about the FDR match? No closing thoughts?

Speaker 34 Oh, yeah, that was it about the FDR match.

Speaker 34 Because, I mean,

Speaker 34 what, you know,

Speaker 34 they're meaningless at this point. They've been booked into irrelevancy and the fans have turned on them, and

Speaker 34 they've got children to work with. So, what's to look forward to?

Speaker 33 Well, there's more of this culture to look forward to.

Speaker 34 Oh, not to look forward to.

Speaker 34 What did you think of Thecla versus Jamie Hayter, where everybody was banned from ringside?

Speaker 33 I hope you watched this. The fact that you asked me first makes me think you didn't.
It was such a train wreck. It was really bad.
But it was the kind of bad match that pulled me in.

Speaker 33 I was like, oh my God, this just keeps getting worse.

Speaker 33 I don't know who was the sloppy person or who was just unprepared, but this match was not good. Then I saw people raving about it on the line, like, what a great women's match.

Speaker 33 No, that match was terrible and it was sloppy and it looked like it should be on an indie. Not good.

Speaker 34 Well, I knew that I had a long schlog ahead of me.

Speaker 34 And I was, why, why would I do this to myself this early? Because,

Speaker 34 again, I've got to conserve my energy. There's only so many times times you can have all you can stands and you can't stands no more.
So I'll leave them alone till next time.

Speaker 34 Because we had to

Speaker 34 move forward to the winner gets $500,000 in cash in a fucking duffel bag match. What the.

Speaker 34 So the Hardley boys won.

Speaker 34 $500,000 in the 110-man tag because Moxley didn't want his, so he gave it to them. But then Nick, who's apparently got a gambling problem, called 1-800-GAMBLER.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 he lost it at, you know, the casino in

Speaker 34 Indian Lake is a scene that you make with your little one. I don't know where the fuck they were.

Speaker 34 And then they're having another match for a half a million dollars, but it's always in a goddamn duffel bag in cash.

Speaker 34 Is this a

Speaker 34 number one, a safe and number two, a legitimate way to do business in this day and age, Brian?

Speaker 33 I think it's probably a throwback to in the past when that's happened in wrestling. Like Bobby Heenan had a bag of cash, a duffel bag of cash when Jon Studd had the body slam challenge.

Speaker 34 I guarantee you, if he'd had a half a million dollars in a duffel bag, he wouldn't have got out of the fucking dressing room, much less the goddamn arena.

Speaker 33 How much money was supposed to be in that box for that battle royal where you got knocked out or the match where you got knocked out?

Speaker 34 No, it wasn't even a battle royal. It was supposed to be.

Speaker 33 It turned into a battle royal.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 34 There was only supposed to be a few of us in the ring. Turned into quite a crowd.

Speaker 34 I think it was $1,000.

Speaker 34 Hart and Cornet will throw $1,000 at the crowd. Lawler went to the box office.
His mother, Hazel,

Speaker 34 sold tickets, worked at the box office. And he got like $227 and $1 bills and crumpled it up.
So it put it in a box. It looked like a lot of cash.

Speaker 34 And the first fucking two handfuls, that's all I remember. Folks have heard that story, but

Speaker 34 half a million dollars. And again,

Speaker 34 it's the Buckaroos and Jungle Jack off and Dino. Here we are six years later in the same exact place.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 Tony's got one thing here: the fans like the lizard.

Speaker 34 They could give a shit about the other three.

Speaker 34 And I know that the lizard is not particularly that good. We've seen what he's done in the past, but if somebody

Speaker 34 could produce him,

Speaker 34 you could do something with him, and the people like him, but nobody will produce him.

Speaker 34 And he's again stuck in this:

Speaker 34 it's the kids that want to play on a trampoline, and they only interact with their friends.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 I skipped the first 15 minutes of the match and then dropped in, and there was nothing happening, and the fans were silent.

Speaker 34 And the visual of either one of the

Speaker 34 Jackson boys

Speaker 34 against Jack Perry, if just not just a WWE fan, but if just a regular person

Speaker 34 who is, I know it's a pay-per-view. You'd have to do it on purpose, but they do this on TV too.

Speaker 34 The visual, you would bust out laughing.

Speaker 34 Unless they were viewers of, what was it, Matt Rats, Brian from 15 years ago.

Speaker 34 But it's the same thing always. There's no tags.
There's no logic. Knox is the referee because he just

Speaker 34 stands there and puts up with their meaningless dribble. That's their guy.

Speaker 34 Every other referee would probably be embarrassed. The fans sit there and stare in between the guys doing their tricks.

Speaker 34 And then they'll pop if a bump looks like it hurts somebody.

Speaker 34 And they make it as choreographed as they can and drag out their multiple false

Speaker 34 finishes.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 finally, the baby faces double-teamed Maddie over and over in front of the referee and pinned him and won the half million dollars.

Speaker 34 So I,

Speaker 34 let that sink in again a minute. The baby faces double-teamed one of the heels several times and then just pinned him.

Speaker 34 Your thoughts on the match before we go to the, oh, you guessed it, there is an afterbirth.

Speaker 33 You know, I actually liked it a little better than the average Young Bucks match, and I think because it wasn't in any way physically

Speaker 33 insulting. Suzanne saw some of this in here and she didn't know who any of these people were.
I had to say that's Dylan McKay from 90210's son. That's Luke Perry's son.

Speaker 33 You know, and she noticed how thin he is. He's very, very slight.
Next to him, the Young Bucks looked like big guys on the gas.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 their stuff isn't as unreasonable. Look, I mean, their style of match is one thing, but watching them do their moves to someone the size of Jack Perry

Speaker 33 makes sense.

Speaker 34 So if we could just get smaller and smaller people on the roster.

Speaker 33 I think they should only be wrestling small people. Also, Luchasaurus, super over, like you said.

Speaker 33 You know, there's no one there to really teach them how to structure a tag match. I told Suzanne while she was here.
I don't even remember what point. It could have been any point.

Speaker 33 I said, watch the referee. Tell me what he's doing.
And it was a point where, like, there were multiple, multiple people in the ring.

Speaker 33 Rick Knox is just standing in the back at the opposite corner and he kind of moves his hands around a little and says something. And sometimes it looks like he wants to take a step, but he doesn't.

Speaker 33 But I said, what is he doing? And then another time it was when someone was counting and it was the longest, most ridiculous count.

Speaker 33 But yeah, I actually did not have a problem. I thought it was for a Young Bucks match.
I thought it was all right.

Speaker 34 Well, that's faint praise. But nevertheless, let's get to the point of the whole thing.
Now they played for 25 minutes or whatever.

Speaker 34 So the babyfaces go to leave with the bag of loot, but they stop and turn around

Speaker 34 and not only offer their hands for a handshake,

Speaker 34 but Perry offers a stack of money to the Bucs.

Speaker 34 And what the fuck? And then suddenly,

Speaker 34 Josh Alexander and Mark Davis and Lance Archer jump in and start beating the shit out of Jungle Jack and Dino. And the bucks do nothing, but they just get out and walk out.

Speaker 34 They go to the entranceway. And so the heels are getting some sloppy heat.

Speaker 34 And then music plays. And here comes Canny.

Speaker 34 Canny.

Speaker 34 And he stops and talks to the buckaroos. And he's like, why don't you do something? Well, we don't want to.
Well, why don't you do something? Well, we don't want to. And then he hits the ring

Speaker 34 and he starts fighting the three heels. And then Jack and Dino get up and they start fighting.

Speaker 34 And they run the heels out of the ring at that point.

Speaker 34 So I get more baby faces that look stupid.

Speaker 34 Here's these whiny little bitches.

Speaker 34 Maddie and Nikki.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 after they have this 25-minute long match with them, they're not only going to offer a handshake, but here, have some of our money.

Speaker 34 Who thinks like that?

Speaker 34 And then they get the shit kicked out of them and these guys do nothing after they've offered them money because they're fucking doormats.

Speaker 34 These baby faces are not likable. We'll get to Darby in a little while.
He's doing everything he can.

Speaker 34 Darby's one of those people that you like the idea of him when you first see him. And the more you get to know about him, the more you think he's an idiot.

Speaker 34 But he's doing everything he can to run

Speaker 34 common sense people off of his bandwagon. These are some stupid fucking babyfaces in this booking.

Speaker 33 Well, the crazy thing is, I think this is to set up the young Bucks turning babyface shortly down the day. That's the craziest thing about this.
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Speaker 33 and Adam Page, them and Omega, them and Jurassic Express just had this match and they

Speaker 33 want to be friends with the Bucks, and the Bucks leave slowly because they have to think about it.

Speaker 33 This is all in the same mindset of the people who thought, let's make Adam Page a drunk for the next year.

Speaker 33 Like, this is the same mindset. They're trying to turn them baby faces this way because eventually, when Omega and the Jurassic Express need help, the Bucks will have to step in.

Speaker 34 It boggles my mind that they don't understand the difference that

Speaker 34 you can't switch babyface from being a heel unless you were kind of over or kind of hot as a heel.

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Speaker 34 So whether they switch baby face, switch heel,

Speaker 34 paint themselves blue, whatever, they just annoy people.

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Speaker 33 Jim, you know what that means? It's time to get what does that mean? Back to St. Louis and back to

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Speaker 34 I need a breath. Hold on.
All right.

Speaker 34 Let me stretch my arms and roll my neck. Oh, boy, the next one was tough to sit through.
The Tornado six-man tag.

Speaker 34 Between Sheldon Benjamin, Bobby Lashley, and MVP against Ricochet and the two Stooges.

Speaker 34 And remember, I said, explain to me this program.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 they've done it ass backwards where they had a six-man tag first, then they went to a tag team match, then they've come back to a tornado six-man.

Speaker 34 These heels can't work.

Speaker 34 This is above them to have a six-way.

Speaker 34 And again, again,

Speaker 34 besides the fact that the whole story has been convoluted and they've lost out on the opportunity to have the people really pay to see MVP get a hold of Ricochet, which could have been an excellent carrot at the end of a stick if they'd had a coherent plan going into this from the start.

Speaker 34 And you could have engendered some interest in that. But the way they've done it, everybody's just beat up everybody.

Speaker 34 But nevertheless, the heels can't handle it. I've said Khan

Speaker 34 has potential. He's athletic.
He can do some moves. He's still green.
Leone sucks.

Speaker 34 And he's just big. And that's the problem.

Speaker 34 He's too big to move around. And when you get him and Lashley against each other through the whole thing, they're just chopping meat.

Speaker 34 And it's just blah.

Speaker 34 Ricochet can do the gymnastics and the flying shit, but all of his actual wrestling is shite.

Speaker 34 and he doesn't have any

Speaker 34 natural instincts about how to put a match together. I can imagine that the Hurt Syndicate tried to put this together, but when you have,

Speaker 34 again, no tags and no DQ and no rules

Speaker 34 where the heels are going to jump the baby faces in the aisle on the entranceway,

Speaker 34 and it's going to be a six-way through the whole thing, you can't call everything for anybody, much less guys that don't know what the fuck fuck they're doing.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 a lot of it was spit on the floor.

Speaker 34 Either all of them or a few of them at one point, Lashley and Leone just fought for a few minutes while they were doing shit in the ring, and the fans were just staring because the attention is diverted.

Speaker 34 The fans don't particularly care about this issue either. They want to see the Hurt Syndicate throw people around.

Speaker 34 And then the tables start

Speaker 34 where they

Speaker 34 now they've got the Hurt Syndicate doing the same shit that everybody else does, that all the fucking indie guys do.

Speaker 34 To get heat, they had the Heels put Lashley on a table and then they got Shelton on the steps and double choke slammed him. off the steps onto Lashley through the table.

Speaker 34 And then all three of the heels would beat up MVP. But I was right.
This is brutal to watch, was my notes because it's,

Speaker 34 it sounds more exciting than it was because they're just plodding fucking through it.

Speaker 34 Then we had

Speaker 34 Lashley made a comeback, but then Lashley versus Ricochet went forever while the other four

Speaker 34 hid and watched somewhere. I wrote, it won't end.

Speaker 34 By that point, Leone was either drunk or blown up.

Speaker 34 And Shelton woke him up a little bit. The crowd, he German

Speaker 34 ricochet over the top rope onto the heels and dove onto all of them.

Speaker 34 But then they still kept going.

Speaker 34 And then finally, all three of them

Speaker 34 hit Khan with something and beat him one, two, three.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I remember Bobby Lashley being in a couple of less than impressive outings in the WWF, but this is the worst Shelton Benjamin match I've ever seen.

Speaker 34 And it wasn't his fault because he's not Merlin the Magician.

Speaker 34 It was just, it was,

Speaker 34 it was

Speaker 34 not promising in

Speaker 34 layout in advance, and it was rotten in execution.

Speaker 34 So that was was that. I'm sorry, but good Lord, this, it hurt my feelings.

Speaker 34 Well, we're done with that. So

Speaker 34 for the TNT title, ladies and gentlemen, it was Mark Briscoe against Kyle Librarian Felcher.

Speaker 34 And he comes out with the little glasses and things. It just like, what the, he looks so studious.

Speaker 34 Here's the thing. And of course, I watched this because I like Mark Briscoe, but also I'm now sympathetic to Kyle

Speaker 34 because he has talent and he's got so much potential. And I'm afraid that this is going to be the biggest wasted opportunity for the wrestling industry

Speaker 34 that

Speaker 34 we're looking at right now. Braunbreaker's in the WWE and he's going to be in the main event at WrestleMania.

Speaker 34 But if you're looking at the next level of guys that are

Speaker 34 capable of and have all the tools, Kyle is amongst them.

Speaker 34 He's got a great physique. He's athletic.
He does all the moves well. He works hard.

Speaker 34 He gives it his all.

Speaker 34 He needs experience and hair

Speaker 34 and a defined personality.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 the problem is, and we've said it, he's never going to learn here. He's never going to learn psychology, never going to learn putting a match together right.

Speaker 34 He's never going to learn how proper booking goes.

Speaker 34 The advanced level shit that you have to know

Speaker 34 to be a legitimate big star rather than just being athletic. And he's going to get

Speaker 34 none of this here because even if people are telling him one thing, they're putting him in this

Speaker 34 kind of environment

Speaker 34 where

Speaker 34 his booking on TV is manager is not really a manager, and the booking is back and forth, and every match has to do every goddamn thing.

Speaker 34 And,

Speaker 34 you know, nevertheless.

Speaker 34 But I feel bad for him because he could be a boon to the business. Maybe he's young enough when he gets out of there and he gets to the other place

Speaker 34 that, you know, he won't be too old to learn new tricks.

Speaker 34 I wanted this to be a wrestling match because they can both do it,

Speaker 34 but at the same time, they're down on the floor doing the stunts with the chair. And okay, yes, some of that is Briscoe's gimmick,

Speaker 34 but they've already done that shit in the last one.

Speaker 34 Get in the ring, let's use the ring once in a while.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 then Mark

Speaker 34 he goes for the cannonball flip off the apron of the ring, but Kyle ducks out of the way and Mark busts his ass hard on the floor. So the heel didn't cheat to stop the babyface.

Speaker 34 He outsmarted the baby face.

Speaker 34 Nobody's letting them think about these things or making them think.

Speaker 34 They're coming up with ideas for what they can do in the match, and there's nobody sitting there to remind them, hey, whoa, what about the, oh, shit, you're right.

Speaker 34 If you don't think about something, nobody brings it up because there's no control.

Speaker 34 And then Cal turned the stairs sideways and powerbombed Mark on the stairs while the referee stood there and watched it. This wasn't supposed to be the no disqualification.
Anything goes match, Brian.

Speaker 34 It was all the other ones.

Speaker 34 And then Cal just got in the ring and Mark beat the count and it turned into another regular match. The guy's just been powerbombed on the fucking stairs.

Speaker 34 So then

Speaker 34 Mark fought back because the powerbomb didn't stop him for too long.

Speaker 34 And they started trading fake forearms where it looked like neither one of them can work or both of them can work.

Speaker 34 One would think that

Speaker 34 somebody would be enterprising enough to realize I'm not going to do this drech that everyone else is doing.

Speaker 34 And then Mark made a comeback and it got complicated. They went back and forth.
It was a cold single match. They kind of lost people with too much.

Speaker 34 What the fuck is going on?

Speaker 34 They got on the top turnbuckle. They struggled forever.

Speaker 34 Mark carefully helped Kyle give him a superplex off the top rope and they both sold forever. I'm thinking that they're about to go home.
They roll to the floor.

Speaker 34 Mark Briscoe then gives Kyle a J driller on the apron of the ring.

Speaker 34 And then they fall to the floor and sell forever.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 Mark rolls Kyle in, goes for the elbow off the top. Kyle moves.
He's just been J-drillered on the apron of the ring.

Speaker 34 Now they're both fine because they're up. Mark gives an elbow off the top rope onto Kyle, who's standing on the floor, which was neat.

Speaker 34 That was a cool looking move. Not after all the goddamn hospitalization angles.

Speaker 34 And then he rolled Kyle in and gave him a froggy bow off the top and got a two count. I'm like, God damn it, we're 20 minutes in.
What the fuck?

Speaker 34 Then they started kicking out of roll-ups.

Speaker 34 They followed J-Drillers on the apron and powerbombs on the stairs with the best of Tony Charles and Billy Robinson.

Speaker 34 And then Mark hit another J-Driller and got a two-count, and Fletcher got to ropes.

Speaker 34 And then after all of that, we're closing in on 25 minutes.

Speaker 34 Briscoe puts Kyle up in the torture rack.

Speaker 34 Kyle grabs the referee's shirt, like to steady himself and pull the referee toward him.

Speaker 34 He drops behind Mark, does Kyle.

Speaker 34 When Mark swings and Kyle ducks, Mark holds up so he doesn't hit the referee.

Speaker 34 Brian, how far would you have estimated that the referee was when Mark Briscoe stopped his swing short?

Speaker 34 10 or 12 feet away from him.

Speaker 33 What do you think? It was a good distance.

Speaker 34 He was all the way back in the corner of the ring.

Speaker 34 So Mark holds up like, oh my God, I almost punched in your general direction.

Speaker 34 Kyle gives Mark a little shove in the back. Mark takes one step toward the referee, and the referee turns and cowers in the corner like he's seen a truck coming at him.

Speaker 34 And then, when he does that, Kyle kicks Briscoe in the balls

Speaker 34 while the referee is obviously trying not to look. He looked up and he looked around.

Speaker 34 My God.

Speaker 34 And then Kyle hits Briscoe with a brain buster. Cover.

Speaker 34 One, two, kick out.

Speaker 34 He kicked out of that.

Speaker 34 Then Kyle gave him a knee lift, got a two count.

Speaker 34 Then Kyle long darted him into the turnbuckle and gave him another knee lift and gave him a brain buster on the top turnbuckle.

Speaker 34 One, two, three.

Speaker 34 What the fuck? Why did they even do the spot with the referee?

Speaker 34 The heel could have cheated and won,

Speaker 34 but instead,

Speaker 34 he beats him clean and flat.

Speaker 34 Briscoe has no out. He just got beat flat by this guy with numerous fucking moves.
It didn't get any heat on Kyle,

Speaker 34 except he's a bad heel because he cheated and it still didn't work.

Speaker 34 The execution looked phony,

Speaker 34 but thank God that Briscoe in the end just was not as good as the heel because

Speaker 34 the heel just beat him.

Speaker 34 The fuck are they doing?

Speaker 33 I don't know. And they did it for a while.

Speaker 33 The spot that, not that it was the greatest thing in the world before it, but the spot that really lost me was the superplex just because of them setting it up. It's like when you see guys

Speaker 33 going slow and the other one just not moving, just breathing, waiting, and they're helping each other, it takes me out of shit.

Speaker 34 And grabbing on in the right place gently so that they hit.

Speaker 33 Yeah, and then it went another like 10 minutes after that and did a whole bunch of other shit. Yeah.

Speaker 34 Well, and that's the thing. A lot of people will say, well, they, you know, they got to be careful up there because they might fall off and hurt them.

Speaker 34 Exactly.

Speaker 34 You don't have to be up there. If you can't do it where it doesn't look cooperative, just don't do it wherever it transpires, top of the ropes or out on the floor, whatever.

Speaker 34 That used to be a goddamn legitimate requirement. If

Speaker 34 some green guy came into territory and did shit two or three nights in a row that looked phony,

Speaker 34 the referee or the opponent or somebody would tell the office and

Speaker 34 that wouldn't happen no more. And a guy probably wouldn't be there.

Speaker 34 Because that was the important thing. It's not

Speaker 34 what goofy thing can I think of that people will pop because it looks like I may have committed suicide,

Speaker 34 but what's not insulting to the professionalism of the goddamn industry?

Speaker 33 You know, you'd always hear about like the Crockett shows in the late 80s,

Speaker 33 how there were so many talented wrestlers, it was almost like they were trying to one-up each other. And how's someone going to follow the Midnight Express?

Speaker 33 Well, how's someone going to follow Arn Anderson? How's someone going to follow Ric Flair? You know what I mean?

Speaker 33 But it wasn't like, all right, we need to be able to do as much as we can because they're going to do it. Let's do something completely crazy and fuck ourselves up.
Yes.

Speaker 33 Just to make sure that we get over a little bit more than the other match.

Speaker 34 And also, and there, again,

Speaker 34 stealing the show is by going out, and in the time that you're allotted and the fucking parameters of the goddamn rules of the game,

Speaker 34 you have a match where the issue behind you and you're over with the people, and the match brings them on the emotional roller coaster and pays off with a big pop at the end.

Speaker 34 And the guys used to be able to do that in any number of different ways.

Speaker 34 I mean,

Speaker 34 on like a big TBS special or

Speaker 34 potentially a sellout in Charlotte or Philadelphia or whatever, Ricky Morton would kick out of the rocket launcher at two and nine-tenths.

Speaker 34 And we would be

Speaker 34 60 seconds from the goddamn hot tag and the fucking comeback and the finish.

Speaker 34 That was, we didn't need to just

Speaker 34 nobody was doing unauthorized juice. You got blood when you were told to.
Nobody was,

Speaker 34 you know, more than an occasional rattling around of a timekeeper's chair, was engaging in a bunch of furniture or going 15 minutes past their time or whatever.

Speaker 34 You had parameters, but you could still do it differently than the other people.

Speaker 34 Well, speaking of shit that has no parameters,

Speaker 34 would you like to talk about about the women's title match with Tony Storm and Chris Statlander?

Speaker 33 Yeah, I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 34 Well, my thoughts are that it

Speaker 34 was still going 20 fucking minutes after they started the thing.

Speaker 34 They started with the Tony Storm style Hollywood video.

Speaker 34 And I determined that that was a good place to make up time.

Speaker 34 And I fast-forwarded 20 minutes, and they were still fucking going

Speaker 34 and the part that i saw was that they german suplexed each other but each one of them just popped right up and neither one sold it

Speaker 34 and then statlander

Speaker 34 clotheslined her and hit her with a kind of a tombstone maneuver that's not where she picks her up at a tombstone position but then goes forward and slams her on her back and inverted upside down styles clash, whatever.

Speaker 34 Does that paint the picture in people's minds if they don't know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 33 Kind of, yeah.

Speaker 34 Okay,

Speaker 34 so

Speaker 34 she hit her with that deal,

Speaker 34 and then

Speaker 34 she got, Statlander did,

Speaker 34 a head scissors.

Speaker 34 an old-fashioned head scissors on Tony Storm in the middle of the ring and was cranking it, as you should, working the hold.

Speaker 34 And Tony Storm was struggling, and Statlander was keeping it, and Tony Storm was waving her arm and struggling.

Speaker 34 And I'm thinking, boy, after

Speaker 34 almost 20 minutes of match or whatever, they've made a curious decision to just slow down and become completely immobile here in the ring at this point.

Speaker 34 And after one minute and 20 seconds of being in the head scissors and completely immobile,

Speaker 34 Statlander let her go, picked her up, and gave her the same move she'd just given her before the inverted styles clash. One, two, three.

Speaker 34 What in the actual fuck is going on here?

Speaker 34 And then they hugged each other.

Speaker 33 Of course.

Speaker 34 And Tony Storm left.

Speaker 33 She didn't even have to give her a want of cash like Jack Perry tried to do with the Young Bucks.

Speaker 34 Tony Storm was their star.

Speaker 34 And I'm using the term was now because that's apparently that relationship is coming to an end, at least with the fans, if not the office.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 I can understand if they turn somebody strong heel

Speaker 34 and that person came in and upset Tony Storm. But Stanlander,

Speaker 34 is she a heel? Is she a babyface? We don't really know. I don't think she

Speaker 34 This whole thing started with a goddamn four-way fucking match.

Speaker 34 And then,

Speaker 34 regardless of what it is, you have a match on pay-per-view

Speaker 34 where a woman or a man gave the opponent a move, got a stationary hold on him for almost a minute and a half. picked him up and gave him the move again and pinned him one, two, three.

Speaker 34 That's kind of as flat as you can fucking get.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 they hug each other because Tony Storm's like, well, yeah, okay, I guess I'm a piece of shit. Like she vadered herself, here, I'll hug you.
Who gives a shit? And she's gone.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 they play music.

Speaker 34 And Mercedes Moon comes out with the job guys wearing all of her outlaw title belts.

Speaker 34 And she stripper dances to the ring

Speaker 34 and gets the microphone and tells Statlander

Speaker 34 to get out of her ring and she does.

Speaker 33 That was the surprising part. Not that the heel said that,

Speaker 33 but the babyface has to do something. Babyface can't leave when the heel says that, and she just walks out.

Speaker 34 Oh, yes, she can because she did

Speaker 34 with a kind of put her head down and like, why I oughta, and turn around and left

Speaker 34 like a whipped puppy.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 so, I don't understand

Speaker 34 how that

Speaker 34 by that line of logic, Mercedes Moan ought to just wipe her feet on Tony Storm's face

Speaker 34 because she just completely verbally punked out the person that just beat Tony Storm.

Speaker 34 And then she cut a promo and saying she was Ultimo Moan now.

Speaker 34 Brian, how many people

Speaker 34 in the United States today do you think understand this whole Ultimo Guerrero 30 years ago had 10 belts thing?

Speaker 33 I think the most important person does, Tony Khan.

Speaker 34 Could it be

Speaker 34 more than a couple of hundred thousand

Speaker 34 that maybe are still alive when they were watching wrestling at that point in time?

Speaker 33 I think it's at a point where anyone who remembers any of this from the 90s, who was not a fan of japanese wrestling just picked up on it like from wcw may not even remember which wrestler had all the belts

Speaker 34 do they know ultimo guerrero from huventud guerrero

Speaker 33 well no there's not really or the ultimo dragon and ultimo guerrero are two different people oh i will see there and there's another one and ultimo guerrero is not I don't believe he's related to Huventude Guerrero.

Speaker 34 Well, then who's Ultimo Dragon related to? Because he got to be related to somebody, or they wouldn't have given him 10 belts.

Speaker 33 That's Acai, isn't it?

Speaker 34 Well, I'll see you later.

Speaker 34 Is Acai related to Ishii?

Speaker 33 I opened my

Speaker 34 questions we have. See, this whole thing, it's she's a mark in her mind.
Nobody's ever heard of these obscure,

Speaker 34 small, independent girls' promotions that she's going around and apparently giving them a break on the price

Speaker 34 to

Speaker 33 what? I don't think it's girls' promotions. I think it's promotions that have girls' matches, but you know, just like AEW or WWE.

Speaker 34 Girls' belts, girls' titles.

Speaker 34 The point is, they're small, independent, obscure, whatever, but she's probably even giving them a break on her rate since Tony Khan's paying her.

Speaker 34 And she gets to win their belt because it's a big deal to her to hold all these belts that mean nothing.

Speaker 34 So now they're, and she says, who's next to challenge me?

Speaker 34 And out comes Mina Mellons. They added a match and it was a Mercedes-Moan match.
And now that's three girls' matches

Speaker 34 in the first three hours, two and a half hours, this goddamn marathon pay-per-view.

Speaker 34 And I fast-forwarded another 20 minutes, and they were just then finished.

Speaker 34 You had in the middle of what people paid for

Speaker 34 between Mercedes and Mina and Storm and Stat,

Speaker 34 it was a goddamn lifetime movie for 45 or 50 minutes on this thing.

Speaker 33 I thought the Mina Monet match was pretty good.

Speaker 34 Mina Monet?

Speaker 33 No, no, not Mina Monet. The Mina,

Speaker 33 I was just using without versus versus Monet.

Speaker 34 Mercedes-Mellons match is what you're saying.

Speaker 33 No one would say that. We would say Mina Melon.
We wouldn't say that either. We'd say Mina Shirakawa versus Mercedes-Monet.

Speaker 34 Well, if it wasn't a melon, it was sure a lemon.

Speaker 34 All right. Would you like to get to the match that I watched with fascination?

Speaker 34 Just fascination.

Speaker 33 Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 34 The tag team title match.

Speaker 34 You know, because I'm a tag team expert.

Speaker 34 they just uploaded Midnight and Rock and Roll two hours on the WWE Vault channel on YouTube. Everybody can bask in our greatness.

Speaker 34 So I want to see Bandito and Burger King against Okada and Tega Shit

Speaker 34 because I have a perverse fascination in watching this guy.

Speaker 34 I can't

Speaker 34 look away from Okada.

Speaker 34 He's like, he's a human soma.

Speaker 34 I'm fascinated at how I've never seen a human being in a wrestling ring that was more, that was flat-footed and blank-faced and that had

Speaker 34 less energy or emotion or moves as slowly and deliberately as possible, does the least that he can possibly do at any given moment.

Speaker 34 And every once in a while, he'll remind you he's still living and he'll uncork a dropkick or something.

Speaker 34 And then otherwise, it's that stoop-shouldered, confused expression with

Speaker 34 just sleepwalking through life.

Speaker 34 He's fascinating. He's making millions to do this.

Speaker 33 So I will say, I thought he hit his best dropkick in AEW in this match when Bandito came off the top rope.

Speaker 34 Well, bless him.

Speaker 34 Right there was a $742,000 dropkick. If you prorate

Speaker 34 the fucking moves

Speaker 34 with his goddamn annual salary.

Speaker 34 So all four of them did moves to each other over and over. Aubrey Ed

Speaker 34 just stood there slack-jawed like she was staring at a fresh bag of oats and let them all do it.

Speaker 34 And then everybody comes the period where they're all selling the whole match came to a stop

Speaker 34 and then

Speaker 34 there was some kind of slow motion fake looking from

Speaker 34 bandito and take a shit and then they tagged okada and brody king back in because i was like they're lost they got to be lost because they're this is not

Speaker 34 going the way that they're they laid out, obviously.

Speaker 34 The babyfaces double-teamed Okada over and over while the referee continued staring.

Speaker 34 And then more nothing happened. And then they met another babyface tag.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I wrote, this is a mess. And then they all did more shit to each other.

Speaker 34 And then more nothing.

Speaker 34 And we were 25 minutes into this thing. And I wrote, why is this horse-faced goof supposed to be a referee if she's just going to watch the heels double-team the babyface and just make funny faces?

Speaker 34 So that was an observation.

Speaker 34 And then Okada hit take accidentally with the clothesline, but then he gave him the finger.

Speaker 34 And then finally, Bandito got Okada with that flippy little goofy German suplex where the guy has to bend over.

Speaker 34 and hold the ropes like he's either going to be searched by the police or prison penetrated.

Speaker 34 And one, two, three.

Speaker 34 27-minute match. Your thoughts?

Speaker 33 I thought it was all right.

Speaker 33 The fans are really into Brodito, but it's interesting that no matter how much the fans are into someone on the show, it could be Tony Storm, could be Brodito, could be anyone, they get deathly silent at times in matches, like moments after they were just chanting or screaming.

Speaker 33 Like completely awkward silent. Like you almost cringe watching this.

Speaker 34 Well, that's they they

Speaker 34 pop on, as I said, the things that look like they hurt.

Speaker 34 When their chosen favorite or anybody in some of the slower matches shows signs of life and like they're kicking into it, they start reacting almost like encouraging, yes, please go now.

Speaker 34 And they'll have a big exchange that'll get a reaction. Then everybody will continue to lay there for so fucking long because they have to do so much more

Speaker 34 that people are like, oh, goddamn, thought that was it.

Speaker 34 Really wanted it to be it, but eh.

Speaker 34 But we were ready for the World Heavyweight Championship to be on the line, Brian.

Speaker 33 Yes, we were.

Speaker 34 See, that's what he ought to do. If Paige insists on

Speaker 34 being a nerd and calling it the men's world championship,

Speaker 34 then they have to call it the men's world heavyweight Championship and the Women's World Heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 34 So you got to be fair.

Speaker 34 Oh, three and a half hours into the pay-per-view, and with another, what was the pre-show? Was it an hour, hour and a half? We don't know.

Speaker 34 And they're ringing the bell for this match.

Speaker 34 Remember, I said, okay,

Speaker 34 if they're switching Joe Babyfay or Baby Fair, if they're switching Joe heel,

Speaker 34 I'm into this because he definitely needs to be elevated.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 I thought they would kind of switch him heel before they beat him.

Speaker 34 But hey, it's a choice. Nevertheless,

Speaker 34 Joe, without tipping the thing off at the end,

Speaker 34 He established himself as the more heelish, the rougher guy, a little bit more of a hothead, so that that would leave the more sympathetic babyface position open for Paige. The problem

Speaker 34 that I see is

Speaker 34 Paige can establish himself as a babyface because he does the same shit in the same way,

Speaker 34 with the same expression and the same execution,

Speaker 34 with the same level of urgency in every match he has. Brian, is there any difference in the way he ever acts or does the things that he does or do?

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 33 Whether it's the promos or the matches, it's always a guy who's kind of got a chip on his shoulder because there's a dump in his pants and he just wants to get in the back and get a new pair of pants.

Speaker 34 I got a chip on my shoulder and a dump in my pants.

Speaker 34 Well, then

Speaker 33 Ray Brian Last Boombaye coming soon.

Speaker 34 There's that chip on his shoulder and dumping his pants, guy.

Speaker 34 They did a spot that popped me, and then I realized they did it accidentally.

Speaker 34 Paige went for that stupid moonsault he does in every match off the top turnbuckle to the floor without looking where his opponent is.

Speaker 34 But the first time he went for it, as he was about to go, he looked down and he saw Joe.

Speaker 34 standing on the floor in front of him. He's got like, what the fuck? And he got down.
I thought that popped me. At least they finally did it.

Speaker 34 And then later on, seconds later, I realized, no, he was going to go for it then. And Joe wasn't in the right place.
And he looked down and fucking saw him for a shoot.

Speaker 34 Because again, they tried again.

Speaker 34 And this time, Joe walked away from it.

Speaker 34 Joe was already in the walk away position.

Speaker 34 I guess he walked away too soon the first time. I don't know.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 when Joe walked away, he was 10 feet from where Paige landed in the first place before he started walking away.

Speaker 34 And then the camera missed Paige rolling up to his feet. The announcers tried to save it and he dropkicked Joe.
But now

Speaker 34 they've been on the floor for two minutes just trying to do this nonsense that Paige can't

Speaker 34 not do.

Speaker 34 And then they got heat on dip shit, but then he fired up and went for the moonsault again.

Speaker 34 And this time they've set it up where

Speaker 34 as Paige is going up to the top for the moonsault, Joe's going to roll into the ring and Paige is going to turn and moonsault into the ring and outsmart him.

Speaker 34 He did moonsault into the ring, but he didn't outsmart him. He overshot him.

Speaker 34 He completely went past Samoa Joe, who was stationary, immobile, not moving, and landed with a thud way over on the other side of him.

Speaker 34 And then covered Joe for a two-count.

Speaker 34 And Nigel even tried to kind of halfway explain it, but he got stuck in the middle and buried himself for bringing it up.

Speaker 34 You got to, that's a thing. Paige is going to do all this shit.

Speaker 34 And you can't not, it looks phony, and he can't not do it. They fought on the turnbuckle.
One would think Alexander Debushi might have put some people off of that.

Speaker 34 So Joe could bend over and hold still for 11 seconds. I counted

Speaker 34 for Paige to sunset, flip him, powerbomb him off the top.

Speaker 34 And then finally, Paige foiled the muscle buster and hit a dead eye for a two count.

Speaker 34 And then Paige hit three buck shots in a row: one, two, three.

Speaker 34 And at least this was only 20 minutes.

Speaker 34 But now

Speaker 34 we've established that Paige just

Speaker 34 beat Joe flat out. Boom.
With no,

Speaker 34 there was no goddamn out for Joe. Joe didn't accidentally hurt himself or bad luck didn't go his way or whatever.

Speaker 34 Paige just beat him, right, Brian?

Speaker 34 With three of his finishes.

Speaker 33 Yeah, beat him cleanly. Samoa Joe could do nothing but respect that.

Speaker 34 Well, and the fans can do nothing but say, okay, we've seen it now. And that's when

Speaker 34 Hobbs and Shapupi come in the ring and help Joe up. And they are chanting for Joe and they're cheering for Joe.

Speaker 34 Because all along, these people are predisposed to like Samoa Joe, and he's believable. And he can talk,

Speaker 34 and he can have these matches that you can buy him in, which is why he gets over.

Speaker 34 And then Joe shakes Paige's hand and hugs him and raises his hand and then clothes lies him out of his boots.

Speaker 34 And all the heels get on Paige. And then Joe hits him over the head with the title belt.

Speaker 34 And then he gives him the muscle buster with the title belt.

Speaker 34 And the crowd is hot.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I wish he would have laid out Shapupi, too, because that guy's just an anchor around the neck. Hobbs looked great.
Joe's the head guy. Shapupi's standing there with his dick in his hand.

Speaker 34 But the doctors carted the carcass of Paige out.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 they beat him. flat and then they turned him.

Speaker 34 If there had been been something

Speaker 34 where Joe was on the verge of winning

Speaker 34 and he had bad luck

Speaker 34 or Paige

Speaker 34 foiled something in such a way that Joe was hampered

Speaker 34 and then he hits him with his finish once out of nowhere.

Speaker 34 But now they've just had their match. Joe did everything he could do.
And then Paige hit him with his finish three times, one, two, three.

Speaker 34 Yes, Joe should be mad that he lost and he could turn heel,

Speaker 34 but he could be mad at losing and turn heel

Speaker 34 because he still feels it was unfair he lost. Something else happened.

Speaker 34 So now they've settled the issue, and now they're going to rematch it, I guess, I would think.

Speaker 34 But the only way that works is if Joe wins a belt from him,

Speaker 34 which hopefully will happen.

Speaker 34 Your thoughts, Brian.

Speaker 33 You asked me, I think, last week, if I thought they were going to turn Samoa Joe Heel, and I said, no, I didn't think so, just because it didn't seem like the right thing to do.

Speaker 33 The fans actually respond to him,

Speaker 33 even though he's been better as a heel in the past.

Speaker 33 Well, they did it here after he was beat cleanly.

Speaker 33 After he was beat cleanly by the champion, they turned him here with his stable. It's been a while since Hobbes was a heel.

Speaker 33 Shabbat, I don't think we've ever seen as a heel.

Speaker 34 How would we know?

Speaker 33 I don't know what else to add there, but we'll see what happens. Samoa Joe, another heel run.

Speaker 33 But you think for them to do this, he has to win the belt?

Speaker 34 Well, no, he doesn't have to, and he probably won't. I'm just saying the only way that it would make this make sense is if he did.

Speaker 34 But he's not going to, so it ain't going to make sense.

Speaker 1 This isn't just a game, it's a a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 33 All right, we are back

Speaker 33 as if we ever left. But, Jim, there's one more match, the big main event, although that was the world title match, the match everyone was waiting for, the IQIP match, Darby Allen versus Jon Moxley.

Speaker 34 Well, let me go ahead and point something out now that we haven't talked about because I wanted to save it for this. But

Speaker 34 did you notice one thing, Brian, that they had

Speaker 34 the tables and they had all the fighting on the floor and they had all the various businesses, the kicking out of finishers.

Speaker 34 What manner, what method of excess did you not see on this show that you normally see from an AEW big event?

Speaker 33 What method of excess?

Speaker 33 So, something we usually see, not like a gun, just something that's excessive.

Speaker 34 Something that normally you see to excess on AEW that you hadn't so far on this show.

Speaker 33 I don't.

Speaker 34 The blood.

Speaker 34 Because where were they?

Speaker 34 St. Louis, Missouri.
Missouri has an athletic commission.

Speaker 33 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 34 And I was waiting to see what they were going to pull

Speaker 34 because,

Speaker 34 I mean, this whole match was

Speaker 34 what you would expect.

Speaker 34 You know, Moxley is a homeless tweaker whose fucking idol is the bank-addicted drug robber Nick Gage, and Darby Allen is the frustrated host of his own jackass show in his mind.

Speaker 34 And they're going to do some stupid shit.

Speaker 34 But they went even farther into the stupid shit because you can't tell me that both these guys, one or both of them, wouldn't be drenched in blood

Speaker 34 in an IQuit match with all the other shit they've done, except they had a responsible governing body saying no.

Speaker 34 And if Missouri is like Kentucky, it was a state statute that not only was

Speaker 34 self-inflicted bleeding, and that's the way they phrased it, was illegal.

Speaker 34 You couldn't do it. But that if this was Kentucky, I don't know about Missouri.

Speaker 34 If you had

Speaker 34 accidental blood, you were supposed to end the match, go home as quickly as possible, or elsewhere it would be stopped by the commission.

Speaker 34 Now, I don't, again, I'm not up on the current Missouri law since I don't give a shit, but one would think that this played a part in this.

Speaker 34 But at the same time, and I know somebody's going, oh, but Darby was bleeding from the mouth. That was a gimmick.

Speaker 34 That was some gimmick because if anybody got started bleeding like he did from the mouth and they didn't pack it with fucking ice, it wouldn't have stopped on its own.

Speaker 34 But that's the way they got around that shit. They had a little blood, but there's a self-inflicted and or however they phrase it, if their blade is involved, whatever.

Speaker 34 But this was just,

Speaker 34 I know some people call it torture porn,

Speaker 34 but it wasn't really believable enough for that, would it? If somebody was going to get off on all this screwy mutilation shit, it looked too phony for that.

Speaker 33 It's just... It was like a snuff exhibition.

Speaker 34 Yes,

Speaker 34 like a

Speaker 34 it wasn't full contact, ladies and gentlemen. It was a sparring session of snuffing.

Speaker 34 And Darby's going to try to kill himself, but you know, they're not really going to try to kill each other.

Speaker 34 But that's,

Speaker 34 you can't really

Speaker 34 understand what goes through these people's minds. They do 18 hospitalization angles in a match.
They try to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Speaker 34 They try to make

Speaker 34 everything about wrestling accentuate the bad taste element.

Speaker 34 And also, at the same time, when you see one of these things, you understand why the Sheiks matches only went seven minutes.

Speaker 34 Not only was it chaos, but you didn't have really time to think about it. Holy shit.

Speaker 34 And it was over.

Speaker 34 So they're four hours into the show and the plus the pre-show.

Speaker 34 By the time they ring the bell on this thing,

Speaker 34 Darby takes out the AEW flag out of his backpack and puts it, lays it out in the middle of the ring over the top of the AEW logo,

Speaker 34 which was bigger.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 Darby, they get in a flurry. Darby hits a dive and they fight on the floor for a second.
They get in the ring and Moxley stopped him.

Speaker 34 So the babyface got a drop kick and a dive and got shut down in the main event. I know it's his gimmick to sell and be the underdog.

Speaker 34 Moxley takes a chain around his fist, punches him over and over, and that's where they did the blood from the mouth.

Speaker 34 And then he gets Moxley gets a handful of

Speaker 34 shrimp skewers or whatever they're used for in the barbecue world and used one to stick it under Darby's fingernail.

Speaker 33 Shish kebab.

Speaker 34 Shish kebab. There you go.
But kebab in England is a different thing. Did I tell you that?

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 34 We were in England and they said, hey, you want some kebabs?

Speaker 34 Fuck yeah. To me, that is large chunks of meat on a skewer grilled, right?

Speaker 34 They gave me something that looked like Dalmatian shit in a dirty diaper.

Speaker 34 I don't know what the fuck was going on there.

Speaker 33 It's called Merry Old England. That's what it is.
Well,

Speaker 34 I can under, I don't know about Mary, but it'll make you old. So Darby got the flag and wrapped it around Moxley's neck and hung him.

Speaker 34 But then he missed a coffin drop off the top rope onto the apron and bounced

Speaker 34 sickeningly onto the floor.

Speaker 34 And then Moxley took Darby's belt off and whipped the shit out of him with his own belt. And

Speaker 34 again, at the same time, I'm saying all this stuff is happening, the pace is glacial.

Speaker 33 Oh, go ahead. Well, I was going to say,

Speaker 33 I can't speak for you. I don't know what your experience was.
I watched it live.

Speaker 33 And not that I was looking forward to this match, but it was the main event we're going to talk about. And I have to watch it.
I want to watch it live. I don't want to have to return to it.

Speaker 33 I did Amazon Prime, Prime Video, once again. This is where it cut off.

Speaker 33 Like all of a sudden around here.

Speaker 34 I heard about that. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Just a still frame that was like pink, purple i don't know what it was

Speaker 33 and then it told me that it was because i was playing amazon prime on too many tvs there was one tv i was playing it on that was the error code i got but apparently other people got it i had to return to the match the next day i got a 15 credit from amazon Well, and that's, again, something that that was only that service, right?

Speaker 34 Or did they have a couple of problems on a couple of different services, but they said it wasn't AEW's issue, but there were some type of issues.

Speaker 33 There were two issues on Amazon Prime. One during Mercedes-Monet versus Mina Shirakawa, that may have been like a minute, but here during the main event, that was it for the rest of the night.

Speaker 33 We didn't, I had to go to Twitter to see fucking highlights because people just kept posting them of everything that happened. And then I watched the match complete the next day.

Speaker 34 Well, I envy you.

Speaker 34 See, I wouldn't have cared enough to come back, but as I watched the replay to begin with, they had it all in one piece by the time I got there. But, but But that's the thing is that

Speaker 34 Moxley's whipping him to death with the fucking belt and he gives him a pile driver, but Moxley's also doing the stuff where he just wanders around and shows that he's mentally conflicted and impaired in some fashion.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 Darby stood up and grabbed the rope, the ring rope,

Speaker 34 and bent over again, like in the frisk me or prison penetrate me position,

Speaker 34 and asked Moxley to whip him some more. Come on, motherfucker.
So Moxley did about 10 more times. Is the babyface supposed to be a complete imbecile?

Speaker 34 Why are you supposed to root for a guy that

Speaker 34 is that some kind of Japanese fighting spirit indie thing they've got from the indie wrestling over there? Because when I was young,

Speaker 34 the babyface was not supposed to be a fucking moron

Speaker 34 that you didn't give a shit about because he brought it on himself or he's stupid enough that he's letting it happen.

Speaker 34 And then Moxley walked over and talked to Marina Schaefer, and Darby jumped up and made a comeback, and then Moxley cut him off again.

Speaker 34 But then Darby got lighter fluid out of his bag and squirted it all over Moxley, but Moxley was rolling around in it like he couldn't get away, like Vince swimming in the fucking beer truck beer that time.

Speaker 34 And then here comes Wheeler Useless and Danny Garcia. They run out, but Darby sprays them in the face with mace.

Speaker 34 But Moxley stops him again.

Speaker 34 And Moxley gets in Darby's bag and gets the taser.

Speaker 34 They fight over the taser, but Schaefer comes in and nutshots Darby. And then Moxley tasers him

Speaker 34 and curb stomps him

Speaker 34 and gets a chair from Claudio and sets it up and gives him a double arm DDT on the chair.

Speaker 34 And of course, this is an I quit match, so they can't cover because there's no pins. But did you notice also, Brian, what else there wasn't?

Speaker 34 What?

Speaker 34 A referee with a microphone.

Speaker 33 Oh, for an I quit match, of course.

Speaker 34 It's an I quit match. The whole idea is: I'm going to make you you say i quit no i'm going to say you make i quit i'm going to you know what i'm saying oh yeah

Speaker 34 i'm saying i'm not saying i quit

Speaker 34 but

Speaker 34 the referee doesn't have the they're not using the microphone they're not trying to put a guy in a position where he says i quit to the people which is the resolution of the thing

Speaker 34 From all the famous I quit matches down through history, including Magnum and Tully, which everybody remembers, but that wasn't the first one by a long stretch.

Speaker 34 You want to hear the fucking guy say, I quit.

Speaker 34 So they're just doing this shit to each other.

Speaker 34 And then

Speaker 34 Schaefer and Pack set up a table on the floor. Moxley got his choke on Darby.

Speaker 34 And of course, Darby then responds by flipping the double bird. So Moxley let him go.

Speaker 34 And Claudio came in and picked him up, pressed him over his head, and threw him from the ring to the announce desk where he bounced off the top and landed on the floor. 10, 12, 15 feet.

Speaker 34 And then Pac goes and grabs him and drags him bodily by an arm or a leg or whatever around the ring and gave him to Moxley,

Speaker 34 who gave him the double arm DDT off the apron through two tables.

Speaker 34 And the fans were so

Speaker 34 worried about Darby, concerned about their hero,

Speaker 34 in terror that the babyface might be permanently injured that they started chanting, this is murder.

Speaker 34 This is murder. It's a joke to them.

Speaker 34 It's a joke.

Speaker 33 By the way, though, watching at home,

Speaker 33 it did look like a murder. I was concerned for Darby.
It did look like this guy.

Speaker 34 Yes, but they don't care.

Speaker 34 They don't care. Yes, he's fucked up mentally and now physically.
They don't care.

Speaker 34 So then there was long

Speaker 34 arguing with the referee. Moxley's yelling at Darby to quit.

Speaker 34 Nothing happened forever. And then

Speaker 34 a couple of the stooges put a fish tank, a fish tank in the middle of the ring.

Speaker 34 and then dumped two coolers of water in it.

Speaker 34 Did you hear hear what Sockface said when they were doing this?

Speaker 34 Oh my God, they can't do this.

Speaker 34 Do what? Have goldfish? How would he know what they were going to fucking do?

Speaker 34 He sees a fish tank in the ring and it's, oh my God, he's going to try to drown him.

Speaker 34 It's a 10 gallon tank. It only fit his fucking head.

Speaker 33 You could punch the side of that thing just to break it.

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 more on that to come. But Moxley takes Darby and dunks him in the tank.

Speaker 34 And he's like, give up, but he's dunking him in the tank. And

Speaker 34 so again, Darby Allen sat around homeless in his car

Speaker 34 because he's an irresponsible juvenile delinquent that couldn't grow up and become an adult.

Speaker 34 And he thought of all the goofy shit that he would ever do if he got on jackass.

Speaker 34 And meanwhile, Moxley

Speaker 34 was somewhere in an alleyway sharing a carafe of meth with Nick Gage,

Speaker 34 trying to figure out all the things they do.

Speaker 34 And he dunks Darby over and over

Speaker 34 until the lights go out.

Speaker 34 And when the lights come back on, it stings grandfather Ulysses S. Borden.

Speaker 34 He gives so few fucks about wrestling now, he didn't even dye his hair.

Speaker 34 He looks like Santa Claus and Colonel Sanders had a baby.

Speaker 34 And I'm a Sting is what? Is he a year or two years older than me?

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 he's gone gray,

Speaker 34 but

Speaker 34 God damn it. It's Sting, but doesn't he look ridiculous when he literally has the Sting face paint and the Sting clothing on and he looks like Harlan Sanders?

Speaker 33 I didn't think it was that ridiculous. Obviously, it's a retired real estate broker who's

Speaker 33 just having a good time on the weekend.

Speaker 33 I didn't have a problem with that. And it seemed like the fans were into it.
It's noticeable that he had a lot of facial hair. I think that stood out for me.

Speaker 34 Well, my dear, but dying, dying, Blake, if you're going to come back and be Sting, that's why I don't make public appearances. I don't want to be Jim Cornette.
I don't want to wear a fucking tie.

Speaker 34 But if you're going to come back,

Speaker 34 be the guy.

Speaker 33 If you came back, do you think you would have to dye your hair or could you be you?

Speaker 34 I wouldn't because I wasn't Sting and I'm not completely gray.

Speaker 34 God damn,

Speaker 34 the fucking physical figure that I cut, they'd be surprised I wasn't in an iron lung, but it's fucking Sting. He's not supposed to look like Father Time.

Speaker 33 I didn't, you thought he looked that bad. I mean, he was covered up, he was wearing a lot of clothes, so you couldn't see what his body looked like.

Speaker 34 It kind of seems his fucking head and his chin.

Speaker 34 He looked like a billy goat.

Speaker 33 He looked like the Shrouded Terran.

Speaker 33 God damn it.

Speaker 34 Nevertheless,

Speaker 34 he had the bat and he choked Moxley with the bat and he hit the stooges with the bat and he broke the fish tank and all the water floods out all over the ring.

Speaker 34 And then he handed the bat to Darby and left. And he grabbed Marina Schaefer and put her over his shoulder and carried her off with him.

Speaker 34 So now Darby has a bat.

Speaker 34 What does Moxley do? As Darby points the bat at Moxley, Moxley laughs at him and starts advancing on him.

Speaker 34 And Darby's got the bat, the end of the bat, against Moxley's chest, and Moxley's still gaining ground. Moxley took it and put it against his forehead.

Speaker 34 Aren't you supposed to be scared of the guy with the bat?

Speaker 33 Yeah, by the way, if you're the guy with the bat and the other guy just tried to drown you, hit him with the bat.

Speaker 34 Hit him with the bat.

Speaker 34 but he put it on his own head like go ahead hit me what are you going to do so darby gut shot at him and then hit him in the back and then hit him in the leg twice

Speaker 34 and then put the bat down to get the flag and choke him with the flag if you have hit a son of a bitch with a baseball bat four times and he's still on his feet Are you going to put the bat down and choke him with a flag?

Speaker 34 Are you going to keep using the fucking bat?

Speaker 33 Let me go. Let me sit in this puddle and grab this flag.

Speaker 34 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 34 That was kind of always my rule of thumb. Once I'd hit a son of a bitch with the racket, a guy out of the crowd, I didn't stop hitting him till the cops got there.

Speaker 34 Because if you stop, they will hit you back.

Speaker 34 No nuts. Anyway.

Speaker 34 So then Darby hit him with the scorpion death drop and a coffin drop after he had hit him with a bat five times and then got the scorpion death lock.

Speaker 34 And as soon as he turned it over the referee checked okay and he called it without ever

Speaker 34 you never heard moxley say i quit in an i quit match it didn't happen he just he shook his head no

Speaker 34 and then i think he said yes maybe

Speaker 33 no that was super quick it was super anticlimactic i think

Speaker 33 and considering everything that happened in this match and everything darby had gone gone through,

Speaker 33 that was as big a fart as you could have for a finish.

Speaker 34 And wasn't there a controversy one time

Speaker 34 many years ago over an

Speaker 34 high-profile I quit match where the heel got out of it by saying yes, yes, rather than actually saying I quit and people were pissed off about it?

Speaker 33 I think that's actually legitimately Tully Blanchard's argument that he never said I quit. He just said

Speaker 34 it was Tully Manny. Yes!

Speaker 33 Yes! yes

Speaker 34 that was totally the magnum the argument

Speaker 34 jesus christ so they they can't even steal from the good stuff

Speaker 34 uh but

Speaker 33 terry funked it is cleaner terry funked it at the cleanest i've ever seen like yes ric flair i quit

Speaker 34 because he was a professional and that's what it was supposed to be

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 here's my thing, and I'll say this and you make any comments you want to make. I hear all the time: well,

Speaker 34 you got to do more now because the people are smarter. Or the people, you know, but you got to get more to get a redo more to get a reaction.

Speaker 34 So when people

Speaker 34 took wrestling seriously, for the, when these I quit matches or Texas death matches or any of these matches, when they were invented, when they were done for years and years,

Speaker 34 when people

Speaker 34 took it seriously because it was presented seriously,

Speaker 34 this kind of match wouldn't have gotten over because it was so phony and obviously bullshit.

Speaker 34 The fans wouldn't have believed it and they would have turned on it.

Speaker 34 But now

Speaker 34 that people know that they're working, that everybody's smart and it's a show.

Speaker 34 And Darby is actually doing this stuff on purpose and/or agreeing to it,

Speaker 34 doesn't this just let people know that the babyface is an imbecile?

Speaker 34 And also, why should I be doing anything other than laughing at how stupid it is? Because even if people are really getting hurt, they're agreeing to it.

Speaker 34 So,

Speaker 34 should a guy work shit to make people believe it's real and he's a hero?

Speaker 34 Or should he really cripple himself to get people to laugh at him and talk about what a goofy is because it's it's all phony.

Speaker 34 Which one should go on?

Speaker 33 Again, that's part of the issue at AEW and always has been: the booking, the logic or lack of logic, but they call it logic that they put behind the feuds, the buildups, the payoffs, the things people kick out of, the things that happen,

Speaker 33 the lack of arrests,

Speaker 33 all of it.

Speaker 34 You know, the only only people getting arrested are the fans.

Speaker 34 Did you see that video clip from the other day?

Speaker 33 There's another, yeah, actually, someone emailed it to me. There's another fan.

Speaker 33 There's another AEW fan.

Speaker 34 I don't know what the whole video was because I only checked out a little bit of the link, but it was a catch a predator kind of setup where they went to this guy's house with a camera.

Speaker 34 He was supposed to be meeting some.

Speaker 34 underage minor girl or whatever, and he's watching AEW on the body camera footage of the talk that he's having with the guy. You're hearing Shivani calling to fucking action.

Speaker 33 Yeah, at one point, the guy's like trying to, you know, get him on tape admitting these things. Like, no, I don't come to no 14-year-old.

Speaker 33 As he's like rambling in his weird twang, you just hear in the background, like,

Speaker 33 you're like, oh, shit, I know what show he's watching.

Speaker 33 Speaking of the commentary,

Speaker 33 awful all night. I think Nigel does a good job, and Nigel needs to be with the right person.

Speaker 33 Excalibur is not good at getting the big moments

Speaker 33 and not playing too much with the other idiots when they play.

Speaker 33 He's just not a lead commentator. He's not a good commentator.
Unfortunately, that's not going to change, but that holds AEW back. Shavani,

Speaker 33 if he was a horse, you would take him out back and shoot him.

Speaker 34 Poor Tony.

Speaker 33 He is so bad. He doesn't add anything.
He doesn't say, literally as something's happening. He'll be like, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 33 Or, wow, this is what AEW is all about. As something's happening, he doesn't give it a chance to breathe.
He doesn't give it a chance to happen. He's already trying to put over the company.

Speaker 33 He adds nothing on commentary. They really should just redo everything with commentary.
But yeah, the match, it's what you expect from Moxley, let alone Darby. And I don't think it's very good.

Speaker 33 And at times, the fans just sat there.

Speaker 33 Moxley

Speaker 33 was doing like the Roman Reigns thing of acting out and talking out

Speaker 33 his issues, and you realize it doesn't make any sense. I'm trying to save you or I'm trying to make whatever he's trying to do.
I don't even understand. It's been over a year.
What is he trying to do?

Speaker 33 So, yeah, the match, hopefully it's over with these two guys,

Speaker 33 but it probably isn't. We said hopefully it's over with Moxley and the Death Riders after he lost the belt.
And it got worse.

Speaker 34 And somehow. There's more of them now.

Speaker 33 Yeah, it somehow got worse.

Speaker 33 And, you know, Tony Kahn

Speaker 33 loves him some Jon Moxley. And I'm sure we'll talk more about that later in the drive-through.

Speaker 34 But yeah, I'm pretty sure that they would have been bathing in blood, too, had there not been a commission.

Speaker 34 But when you think about it, if they went to the commission and said, what about if we put a fish tank in the ring and dunk the guy's head in it?

Speaker 34 Well, there's no specific statute barring that. It's never actually come up before.

Speaker 33 But again, the question, you know, it's an unanswered thing at this point. Why? Like, why did, in character, in gimmick, in Kayfabe, trying to make sense of this, why, if Moxley,

Speaker 33 I don't know if he wants Darby on his side, whatever the hell it is, why is he doing these things where he's clearly not going to kill him?

Speaker 33 They keep doing these things to people where like, we want you to think we're going to kill you, but you will not die.

Speaker 33 I don't understand what any of this is.

Speaker 34 And besides that,

Speaker 34 in the scenario that they've set up and the logic universe that they've created, why don't Claudio and Wheeler and Pac and Marina just come out with bats and just all beat him into fucking jelly when the thing starts?

Speaker 34 There's no reason to go through all of that.

Speaker 33 Hey, in the logic of AEW, why don't they just ban everyone from ringside?

Speaker 34 Well, they can only do that if the Continental title's on the line.

Speaker 33 Yeah. Just say this match,

Speaker 33 everyone's banned from ringside, and it'll be enforced somehow.

Speaker 34 It's like the same way if you just said, hey, Jack the Ripper, you can't commit murders in Whitechapel anymore. You're not allowed.

Speaker 34 That would have taken care of the whole thing.

Speaker 33 One last thing about this match, even though there's plenty to say.

Speaker 33 Did Moxley, as the person who's losing this match, hopefully at the end of this feud, but at least at this big moment in this feud, did Moxley have have that moment where the fans have a second or two where they think he's going to quit or it's getting there, and then he actually, like you said, says it on the mic, or

Speaker 33 even if they weren't going to do that, just something to indicate anything.

Speaker 33 It was like the fucking Survivor Series. You had to take the referee's word for it.

Speaker 33 You didn't see anything. You didn't hear anything.

Speaker 34 You know, that's what they're going to do.

Speaker 34 Moxley got screwed.

Speaker 34 No,

Speaker 33 there should have been some struggle, yes, because like for all the talk that he's so good for AEW's business, if he really was and it was about getting Darby over,

Speaker 33 it should have been a spectacle, him giving up.

Speaker 34 Yes. Well, and also the thing is,

Speaker 34 again, with all the other things he's been hit with and all the other things that they've done in previous matches,

Speaker 34 thumbtacks or whatever the fuck, and baseball bats. It's a scorpion death lock and it's on for five seconds.

Speaker 34 after he's already been hit with all this other shit of nothing else he should have been unconscious

Speaker 34 but no he puts the hold on it's okay it's over

Speaker 34 see his we need to see the face screaming in pain we need to see the realization on him that my god there's no way out and all right i quit that type that was the

Speaker 34 not

Speaker 34 okay he's done

Speaker 34 He did it because he just did it to put the fucking guy over, but they didn't put any thought in it.

Speaker 34 Maybe he did put thought in it and realized it was better for him to just do it that way.

Speaker 33 Well, we'll see. It'll be interesting on Wednesday if either of these guys are selling anything from this match.
I'm sure Darby will, just because I'm sure it can't be avoided.

Speaker 34 He'll probably be selling patches of his goddamn, you know, wet jacket for three-inch squares. I was waterboarded in this, only $100.

Speaker 33 You know, the sad thing is, Jim, from what I understand, Darby's straight edge, like CM Punk. He doesn't drink or do drugs.

Speaker 33 I don't know how they get around the caffeine thing, but they do what they do.

Speaker 33 Moxley, maybe not so much straight edge.

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Speaker 33 All right, we are in the wacky future, Jim.

Speaker 34 Well, that was a ride on the wacky tron there.

Speaker 33 Boy.

Speaker 33 We are here. It's wrapping stuff all over the place.
We are here.

Speaker 33 And you are there, ladies and gentlemen. And we have more.

Speaker 34 You know what? That sound effect needs to go into a lot of the AEW programming.

Speaker 34 Can you imagine how much that sound effect would enhance a lot of what they do?

Speaker 33 He's trying to drown Darby.

Speaker 33 You know, they laugh like there's a horn. I always say it.
Anything bad that happens, their first reaction is an, oh, my God, it's, oh, look.

Speaker 34 Yes. Oh, my God.
He's, he's wrapped his dick around a frozen telephone pole.

Speaker 33 Well, Jim, before we get out of here, we still have a bit more show. We have some questions and topics.

Speaker 33 Something that's

Speaker 33 come out of the AEW pay-per-view, we received a bunch of emails about it. I have several pulled up here, and each one focuses on a different thing.

Speaker 33 Sarah Stock,

Speaker 33 who

Speaker 33 wrestled, I believe, in Mexico mostly. Was she the.

Speaker 34 Yes, she was some type of dark angel or

Speaker 33 yeah, I think there you go.

Speaker 33 Well, she was apparently an agent in AEW for a while. She was a coach, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 34 Yes, and I believe she did something in the WWE program in the way of training before that, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm thinking about somebody else.

Speaker 33 Well, AEW, the night of the pay-per-view, tweeted out a clip, and thank God they did, because a lot of us on Amazon Prime couldn't see the main event

Speaker 33 of Jon Moxley attempting to drown Darby Allen while Marina Shafir just watches in the background.

Speaker 34 The fish tank spot.

Speaker 33 The aquarium. Did someone call it an aquarium? I think now.

Speaker 34 I called it.

Speaker 34 It is an aquarium. It's an aquarium is a fish tank.
It's just.

Speaker 34 I don't know. Maybe fish tank is lower class than aquarium.
So maybe this was just a fish tank.

Speaker 33 Well, Sarah Stock saw this tweet from AEW with the clip that said, Somebody stop this. Watch AEW Wrestle Dream on HBO Max.
They were using this to promote the pay-per-view.

Speaker 33 She wrote, you know who should stop this? Mothers with their remote control.

Speaker 33 This is worse than the plastic bag over the head. Kids are going to end up dead trying this stuff at home.
And then she tagged AEW in it.

Speaker 33 So before we go any further and talk about the reaction, what are your thoughts on a wrestler, a former coach

Speaker 33 saying this about the main event at AEW Wrestle Dream?

Speaker 34 I appreciate her point,

Speaker 34 and I appreciate her good intentions.

Speaker 34 I'm more offended

Speaker 34 in a way of...

Speaker 34 of a professional at just the childishness and the fakery and the phoniness and the foolishness from a standpoint of it's just insulting to the industry and to people who have been in it for fucking hundreds of years now or 125 years, whatever.

Speaker 34 She's more of a,

Speaker 34 I don't want anything bad to happen to kids, but to be honest with you,

Speaker 34 I don't know why a kid would want to try that

Speaker 34 at home to begin with

Speaker 34 more than the diving off of the roof shit.

Speaker 34 Because,

Speaker 34 I mean, you can identify with nobody.

Speaker 34 When I was a kid, I wanted to do the Batman fights and we did in school and with friends and whatever. Oh, we're having a Batman fight, but we were really punching each other.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I can understand a kid wanting to do one of these fancy damn moonsaults off the back porch or whatever that looks cool to the childish mind more than I would understand a kid wanting to dunk another kid in the fucking family fish tank.

Speaker 34 You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 34 I appreciate the sentiment. I think this is low on the priority list of things that they do that kids shouldn't do.

Speaker 34 Does that make sense?

Speaker 33 It does make sense. And again, not to justify this, you and I both hated this spot we hated this match we hated everything these guys do and come up with and conceptualize and execute

Speaker 33 but this pretty much covers it this was the main event of a pay-per-view late at night this wasn't saturday morning wrestling and again i'm again even the yes you brought up the plastic bag spot i'm against that i thought terry funk doing it was a mistake i think jon moxley doing it was an egregious mistake not even a mistake was an egregious decision a horrible decision i guess would be a better way to put it, considering the history of it and what it really could do and what it signifies.

Speaker 33 You're trying to murder Brian Danielson, really?

Speaker 34 I loved it when Funk and Flair did it, but it's by the time that Moxley and Darby and whatever did it, besides the fact that Darby does have a number of childlike or child or childlike fans,

Speaker 34 with the bleach and the excess

Speaker 34 of everything,

Speaker 34 it's just stupid now.

Speaker 33 Well, apparently, go ahead. Well, apparently, Sarah Stock

Speaker 33 angered a whole bunch of AEW fans who have been attacking her nonstop on social media since, but also

Speaker 33 someone associated with AEW.

Speaker 34 The ones that aren't getting arrested for some type of criminal offense, those fans.

Speaker 33 I have a quote here, a tweet. There's a bunch of tweets.
I'm trying to see what came first. This is from Amanda Huber.

Speaker 33 She's the widow of Brodie Lee, and I believe she has worked with AEW since his passing, so she's a part of the team there.

Speaker 34 Yes.

Speaker 33 She quote tweeted Sarah Stock.

Speaker 33 This was midnight on a pay-per-view.

Speaker 33 Meanwhile, when you were working, you choked another woman out with a belt.

Speaker 33 Where was the outrage over kids trying that?

Speaker 33 And you want to quote tweet a video of me talking about kids' grief to defend you being a hypocrite? I don't know what that means i'll see what i can find out

Speaker 34 all the way off oh good lord okay so we've it only took one comeback for us to leave the civil exchange of discourse of ideas and go into

Speaker 34 all the way off

Speaker 33 yeah see again i don't know what the order here's another tweet want to know what my kids because i have kids were

Speaker 33 that's a bit of a shot want to know what my kids because i have kids actually the way you look it Depends on the way you look at it.

Speaker 34 It could be a fucking complaint or a compliment to the other person.

Speaker 33 You want to know what my kids were doing at midnight last night? Sleeping. Want to know why?

Speaker 33 Because they're kids. My wrestling-loving kids.
Want to know what they weren't watching? A match between two performers who are known for taking things to an extreme. Want to know why?

Speaker 33 Because it's my responsibility as a parent to know what they're consuming.

Speaker 33 It's cool, though. I'll let them watch some old TNA stuff and they can learn to choke each other out with a belt because that's cool.

Speaker 34 Oh, boy, she can't get over that one.

Speaker 33 Well, listen to the ending here.

Speaker 33 They can learn to choke each other out with a belt since that's cool because, checks notes, tits look great.

Speaker 33 I gotta, you know, I've never seen this titty choking out spot in TNA. I may have to go back and find the footage of it.

Speaker 34 I think David Keradine was involved in setting that angle up. But

Speaker 34 again,

Speaker 34 so this

Speaker 34 miscellaneous, you know,

Speaker 34 wife of a former wrestler is just so offended by this statement that didn't mention her in any way, but I guess she's getting paid or still getting paid by the company or whatever, but she

Speaker 34 jumped in with all of her feet

Speaker 34 over,

Speaker 34 again, a professional, not someone who was married to a professional, but a professional in the industry saying, This is fucking goofy in some respect, whether it's goofy for the kids or it's goofy for everybody.

Speaker 34 It sounded like she,

Speaker 34 there must be residual heat or underlying heat or heat from when they were there at together in the company at one point.

Speaker 34 Or elsewhere, I don't see somebody just throwing down their goddamn hat and so off. This ain't gonna go unanswered.

Speaker 33 Yeah, again, there's so many tweets. And, you know, one of the problems with seemingly the women who get involved in wrestling feuds on Twitter right now, they respond to everyone.

Speaker 33 So it's hard to figure out when they're actually responding to each other. Here's Sarah Stark responding to Stock.

Speaker 34 Stock.

Speaker 33 What did I say? Stark. Sarah Stock.

Speaker 34 Or was it your New Jersey accent? Sarah Stock.

Speaker 33 I'm sweating.

Speaker 33 She's responding to someone named Wrestling Mark on Twitter.

Speaker 34 Of course she is.

Speaker 33 Wrestling Mark was saying, that's fine.

Speaker 33 I don't know you to know if you'd care or not that you're coming across terribly, but throwing out insults about people's appearances, calling them hysterical, just mean girl shit. Grow up.

Speaker 34 Well, now who was hysterical? See, this is why nobody knows what's going on on Twitter. You can't fucking figure out who's talking to who.

Speaker 33 And Sarah Stock responded, she she proved herself a clown talking about Amanda Huber. She left me a message riddled with profanity before telling me to fuck all the way off publicly

Speaker 33 for posting a video that made her look good. I don't know what the, again, we don't know what that video is.

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 was she wearing all of her clothing? What the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 33 Anyone dumb enough to talk shit about the boss and a legend's kid to the new girl doesn't know about the business.

Speaker 33 A legend.

Speaker 34 Okay, apparently I was right. There's some residual heat.

Speaker 33 This is kind of an interesting mystery. We're trying to figure out here live on the air.
What exactly are they fighting for?

Speaker 34 See, that, you know, I think that's why people like the way that I argue with people.

Speaker 34 When I argue or dress someone down, I give an itemized, granularly detailed listing of all the shit they've done wrong, all in one place where you can get a good goddamn grip on it.

Speaker 33 Well, apparently, here's again, we're a little out of order. Sarah Stocks' response to Amanda Huber's tweet before, where she said

Speaker 33 they're kids and that's why they weren't watching. Also,

Speaker 33 the choke spot worked because of nice tits.

Speaker 34 Hey, I'll tell you, here's another thing. She just admitted, by the way, she just admitted that her children wouldn't be allowed to watch this fucking pap and tomfoolery that's being presented on AEW.

Speaker 34 And when I was nine years old, 10 years old, old, whatever, I was staying up till two o'clock on Saturday night, Sunday morning, so I could see Dick the Bruiser and Bobby Heenan.

Speaker 34 And they didn't do anything that a child shouldn't see.

Speaker 33 Is that a bit of a cell phone saying, I knew what this was going to be. I would never let my kids watch it.
Is that the kid to the wrestler that did the promo that one time?

Speaker 33 He's like, I'll tell you why AEW sucks. You know why AEW sucks.

Speaker 34 That's the thing. She just said, I will not let my children watch the product that the company that I work for puts out.
Okay, but go ahead with the other tweeting.

Speaker 33 Well, this is the response to the choking and the tits. Thank you.
I agree. They are phenomenal.
Natural, too.

Speaker 33 Sorry about this.

Speaker 33 Sorry about the southbound journey yours have taken.

Speaker 34 Oh my God. Oh, wait a minute.
Hold on.

Speaker 33 Thank you also for repeating exactly what I said in different words.

Speaker 33 is the sound filter filtering out my a little bit i could still hear i could still hear milton burrow's mom though

Speaker 34 yeah

Speaker 33 there you go yeah i'm trying to see again the thing about the legend's daughter

Speaker 33 here's another headline sarah stock accuses amanda huber of blackballing local rest what is this feud has really taken off uh let's see is there how have we not been apprised of this going on before now

Speaker 33 i texted Here's Amanda Huber tweeting out a response to

Speaker 33 someone named, who is this? Someone named Miss Kate Fabe.

Speaker 33 Fun little play on words there. I texted her before I tweeted.
Her reply to me was that I need to be tougher.

Speaker 33 And then she actually posted the, I guess, text messaging in the middle of their online social media feud. They're texting each other, also.
That's healthy.

Speaker 33 And they're going at it there. And

Speaker 33 then Sarah Stock responded,

Speaker 33 you do. Woman up.
Learn to communicate without profanity. You're acting like a hothead because you are one.

Speaker 33 For example, blackballing locals because they don't quote unquote respect you are prettier than you in parentheses. You're nobody trying to derail a young woman's career.

Speaker 33 Again, it's... Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 34 How the fuck would so she got a favor job of some description after her husband husband passed away? That's admirable of Tony Khan, but what did he make her part of the booking team?

Speaker 34 How does she have the power

Speaker 34 or the say-so or any opinion to give about what wrestlers they book? What the fuck is happening over there?

Speaker 33 All right, a little more clarity here. After Amanda Uber's tweet, Sarah Stock responded, you're exposing your ignorance.

Speaker 33 To which Amanda Uber, who apparently always has a gif ready to go, responded, what ignorance exactly? Please educate me on your expertise when it comes to children or parenting.

Speaker 33 And then Sarah Stock responded, ignorance to how the industry works. No need to get hysterical.

Speaker 33 Not surprised, though, the first day I met you, you spent the entire ride in a tizzy tearing down Sting's daughter and TK for allowing her to, and as I quote, take your spot in AEW outreach.

Speaker 33 So let's stop there.

Speaker 33 That appears to be the legend's daughter, Sting's daughter, who,

Speaker 33 according to this, Amanda Uber had accused of taking her spot with AEW Outreach.

Speaker 34 And I've heard that name before, but what the fuck was AEW Outreach?

Speaker 33 I don't know.

Speaker 34 That was years ago. It was about the time Brandy started the heels because they wanted to try to get some girls

Speaker 34 involved. We haven't heard a lot about that in the past several years.

Speaker 34 You know, Heels was a play on words because the girls wear the high heels, heels. It was all girl online discussion group.

Speaker 33 I thought it should have been pumps.

Speaker 33 AEW pumps. But here's Amanda Huber responding also.
I'm ignorant to how the industry I've been in and around since 2002 works.

Speaker 34 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 33 Calling me hysterical is a choice.

Speaker 34 She's been in it.

Speaker 33 I believe she was an indie wrestler. I think that's how she met her husband.
I could be wrong. Oh, good Lord.

Speaker 34 Oh, boy. There we go.
Now we got a frustrated fucking superstar on the sidelines talking to a retired fucking superstar in Mexico or whatever.

Speaker 33 Calling me hysterical is a choice when I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. Keep telling lies online.
Maybe one of the dirt sheets will cut you a check.

Speaker 34 Boy, you can. You can really tell an industry veteran's lingo and maybe the dirt sheets will cut.
Oh, Christ.

Speaker 33 You know, again, there's a lot of stuff here, and apparently, even up until, I mean, they're still going at it right now, I think. Are they going at it right now? Hold on.
Let me go to Sarah Slack.

Speaker 34 Has security got there yet to pull him apart?

Speaker 33 Yeah, yeah, they're still going at it right now on Twitter, apparently.

Speaker 33 And Sarah Slock apparently is just going at it with random fans about this because they're all just like what we saw happen to Gail Kim.

Speaker 33 They come out of the woodwork to attack someone, criticizing, quite frankly, something worth being criticized, that Moxley Darby Allen spot.

Speaker 34 Yeah, but then when they respond to every Tom's dick is hairy out there on Twitter, then

Speaker 34 all these Cretans realize that, oh, I'm getting to them, and then they do it more. And then they're just wasting their day responding to individual.

Speaker 34 I usually just take a sample comment and quote, tweet it, and tell everybody related to the subject off, and then go about my day.

Speaker 33 Well, again, this is,

Speaker 33 I don't know if we're going to get any conclusion to this here, but any final thoughts on the Sarah Stock, a former AEW coach

Speaker 33 having an online feud very publicly over an AEW spot with an AEW wife/slash office worker?

Speaker 34 Office employee of some discount. Maybe she's in the mailroom now down there with Howie, the mailroom guy.

Speaker 34 It's well, I'm on Sarah Stock's side in as much as it was something that needed to be criticized, whether it was dangerous to children or offensive to adults and professionals or just stupid,

Speaker 34 whatever it needed to be criticized.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 obviously, this other, and I've never met either of these ladies, so I don't have any personal predilection, but it seems like Mrs. Huber

Speaker 34 just jumped into it with both feet out of nowhere because she don't like this girl from when they were both around each other.

Speaker 34 And then off we go so

Speaker 34 i'm i'm thinking that huber may be the hysteria hysterical huber

Speaker 34 that would have been a good women's wrestling name back in the 40s for the mildred burke troupe along with gladys killam gillum and hysterical huber

Speaker 33 is that the new job for a wrestling spouse or family member Outreach. Hysteria? Outreach.

Speaker 34 Oh, outreach.

Speaker 34 Depends on who you're reaching for. They may may fucking punch you.

Speaker 33 All right, Jim, let's get a question or two here.

Speaker 33 This one was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by George in Sebring, Florida.

Speaker 33 This is a very interesting question.

Speaker 33 Was the sheikh?

Speaker 34 Oh, why don't you ask it?

Speaker 33 Was the sheik the last wrestler that was a part of wrestling from marigold on the Dumont network to be an active wrestler?

Speaker 33 That's an interesting question.

Speaker 34 Let me think for a second because Don Fargo

Speaker 34 was actually on

Speaker 34 that program and was and ended up having a match on ESPN

Speaker 34 in 1988 or 9, I think, for the AWA

Speaker 34 because

Speaker 34 he got to know Stanley Blackburn when they both lived in Amarillo and he'd get booked to do jobs on the AWA show just to pick up some extra money.

Speaker 34 Who else, Brian, could it? Thes,

Speaker 34 when was the Thez match with,

Speaker 34 I sound like Lance Russell now.

Speaker 34 The Thez match when he was 74.

Speaker 34 I ought to be able to do the math there. That was 1989.

Speaker 33 1989 against Chono. And the Sheik was still wrestling at least in 94.
I'm trying to think about Chicon.

Speaker 34 I think Sheik's last match was in 95 as I've just done this extensive piece on him and Heroes and Friends.

Speaker 34 And I believe, if I'm correct, that was when he did that last couple of years for ONITA in Japan, where he did almost nothing, but they wanted his name.

Speaker 34 So,

Speaker 34 good Lord, I'm.

Speaker 33 That's a very, it's an interesting question. You kind of need a roster in front of you to go down the list.

Speaker 34 I mean, you can cross the well, but I'm just trying to think of anybody that would have wrestled after 1995 that would have been active before 1955.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 again, maybe the Gypsy Joe from Tennessee was not the same Gypsy Joe

Speaker 34 that worked on the Chicago television in the early 50s, even though he was probably old enough to be almost.

Speaker 34 I think he's it.

Speaker 34 I mean, I'm completely blank on anybody else that would have

Speaker 34 even had a one-off match. Frank Spaceman Hickey

Speaker 34 actually in the 90s came and did a Memphis TV.

Speaker 33 93.

Speaker 34 Yes, and that was before.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Get a feudal Brian Christopher.

Speaker 34 Well, you know why? Because Frank Hickey was the darling of all the guys. He lived at the Wigwam Village off I-65 down near Cave City.

Speaker 34 For years and years,

Speaker 34 there was a little tourist motel area from the 50s or 40s or whatever. And

Speaker 34 the rooms were cabins, but they were shaped like Indian tepees.

Speaker 34 And he had all of his

Speaker 34 wrestling costumes and capes and jackets and masks and all the shit when he was a spaceman and when he had different mask gimmicks, he'd had them on like dummies, mannequins in this in his little wigwam room.

Speaker 34 So they got him involved in a in a fucking angle at one point. And he was like,

Speaker 34 he had to be 80 then, I would think.

Speaker 34 All right, well, back to the original question.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 34 There's nobody else. I can't think of anybody.

Speaker 33 Off the top of my head, I can't. You know, Vern Gagne's last match was in the 80s, obviously.

Speaker 33 Who got to the 90s, even? That's where it gets tricky.

Speaker 33 Well, we'll think about it. We'll come back to this maybe at another point.

Speaker 34 Yeah, but I think he does have a good point there that Sheikh would be the last one.

Speaker 34 Of course, Bob Ellis is still alive,

Speaker 34 according to Dave Meltzer until recently.

Speaker 34 But he didn't get, he was not.

Speaker 34 Cowboy Bob Ellis never made

Speaker 34 the Chicago from the Marigold TV because he started right after that, correct? I don't. I mean, he may have started in the business beforehand, but he wasn't on Dumont.

Speaker 34 But he wasn't on Dumont and he wasn't a star until after that program was canceled.

Speaker 33 Well, we'll give this some thoughts, see what the listeners can come up with, and we'll return to this topic. It's a good one.

Speaker 33 Jim, another question here via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Nicholas Bollay.

Speaker 34 Oh, Oh, come on now.

Speaker 33 Other than Bobby Heenan.

Speaker 34 Nick Hogan.

Speaker 33 And it's a different spelling of Bole.

Speaker 34 Oh, okay. All right.

Speaker 33 Other than Bobby Heenan,

Speaker 33 who does, I think he means manager here, but let me just read it the way he wrote it. Who does Jim think is the next greatest worker of all time?

Speaker 33 But I think he means manager workers.

Speaker 33 Oh,

Speaker 34 J.J. Dillon.

Speaker 34 As far, and I mean,

Speaker 34 I hate to say this, but he's gone, so I won't hurt his feelings. But I was never a fan of Paul Jones's work when he was a wrestler.

Speaker 34 He was on top at a lot of different places, but

Speaker 34 I didn't ever get it.

Speaker 34 Gary Hart, notoriously and would admit it, was not a good worker, not a good wrestler at all in his early days, and managing was his thing.

Speaker 34 Jimmy Hart,

Speaker 33 unorthodox, but you know,

Speaker 34 he took took great bumps, but he, his offense, but the thing is, Jimmy was brought in to be a manager when he was already in his late 30s and had never wrestled a day in his life or had any training or whatever.

Speaker 34 So,

Speaker 34 you know, no.

Speaker 34 I mean,

Speaker 34 you know, think of the managers, Humperdink, and

Speaker 34 the Tennessee manager, Sam Bass, was a rotten worker.

Speaker 33 I have one.

Speaker 34 Sir Clements. I'm sorry.
Go ahead.

Speaker 33 What about Sherry Martel as a manager?

Speaker 34 Oh,

Speaker 34 she wasn't a better worker than JJ, though, if we're going with who besides Bobby Heenan.

Speaker 34 You know, I'm just

Speaker 34 Sir Clements, Steve Clements, was a British wrestler and very accomplished. And I didn't get to see a lot of him.
He was having manager matches by the early 70s.

Speaker 34 But he was probably a heck of a worker as a name manager. Ken Raimi was always either a referee or a manager.
He wasn't really a wrestler per se. He could work like a manager.

Speaker 33 But beyond worker.

Speaker 34 I mean, Albano, Fred Blassey, but, you know.

Speaker 33 But it's the, yeah, it's different. I mean,

Speaker 33 Wild Fred Berry. I mean, it's a different animal at that point.

Speaker 34 Yeah. And honestly, J.J.
Dillon was a better worker than Fred Blassey.

Speaker 34 So it goes back to as far as managers that I have interacted with that I'm still trying to think, and don't even get me started about Paul E's work.

Speaker 34 Jesus Christ, he made me look like fucking steamboat.

Speaker 33 What about best bumping manager? Forget about work rate as we classically consider it in terms of just best bumping manager.

Speaker 34 Jimmy Kent,

Speaker 34 who nobody out there listening probably ever saw except any fans from Tennessee or

Speaker 34 the South in the early 70s. Jimmy Kent would just be flung places and come off the top rope with that cowboy boot and fly different.

Speaker 34 He was

Speaker 34 a ping-pong ball, but he

Speaker 34 had kind of bad psychology. He interfered too much and didn't hide it from the referee hardly at all, and just was constantly involved.
And

Speaker 34 it was a little, it was a little extraneous.

Speaker 34 I'm trying to think of,

Speaker 34 but again, you know, for

Speaker 34 the best bumping manager, you still got to go back to Bobby because he had great ones, but he did it right.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I'm just, you know, JJ's work was

Speaker 34 excellent because he spent quite a bit of time as a wrestler before he became a manager.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 33 my favorite bump, maybe one of my favorite manager bumps ever, and it's my favorite JJ bump.

Speaker 34 The ropes thing?

Speaker 33 Which thing?

Speaker 34 The thing in the ropes.

Speaker 33 Oh, no, I'm talking about when they were doing something where the horseman Rogan drunk a TV and like Sting accepted the challenge. I think the WrestleFlare at the clash.

Speaker 33 And JJ comes in the ring and he's supposed to be drunk and Sting gives him the Stinger Splash. And after he hits him with the splash, JJ takes a drunk man's bump.

Speaker 34 He wobbles out and we

Speaker 34 wobbles and fight. I remember that.

Speaker 33 And he makes a face. I mean, it's the most beautiful bump ever for a man who really believed this drunk old man just got the stinger splash.

Speaker 34 I love that. What I'm talking about, the thing in the ropes is he would do where Dusty would give him the bionic elbow or whatever.

Speaker 34 One of the babyface would hit him with something, and he would fall backwards and he would grab the top rope with his right arm and land on the second rope and go over that outside, but then fall back in to land on the bottom rope and fall in the ray.

Speaker 34 He was like falling over each individual rope on the way down.

Speaker 34 And it was just fucking hilarious.

Speaker 34 But yeah, I think JJ working-wise for managers would be the thing, the guy that I would think of right now after

Speaker 34 Bobby.

Speaker 33 Well, Jim, another topic that we've received a bunch of emails about because people heard this and they wanted to get your thoughts.

Speaker 33 I have a quote here from Tony Kahn

Speaker 33 talking about Jon Moxley.

Speaker 34 Here's the quote. Oh, boy.

Speaker 33 He's won the most championships. He's traveled the world.
He's a hardened veteran. He's from the Midwest.
And he's a straight shooter.

Speaker 33 And he's a great person who's respected by his peers, who takes no gruff, and is so respected as a pro wrestling veteran.

Speaker 33 Actually, many times in Jon Moxley's matches, I've observed, it was like watching a great Harley race match. Oh, boy.
Or even someone like Harley Race's great matches,

Speaker 33 or even someone, yeah, it is what it is. or even someone like Harley Race's great matches in Japan reminds me of some of the great Jon Moxley matches.

Speaker 33 So there's a lot of great influences and a lot of great wrestlers that contribute to Jon Moxley.

Speaker 33 But Jon Moxley is also an incredible, very unique personality in the world of pro wrestling who I think it's really cool. that he draws comparisons to such a great champion like Harley Race.

Speaker 34 He just drew the comparison from you 30 seconds before that. That's the first time that comparison has ever been fucking made.

Speaker 33 I've never heard that comparison before.

Speaker 34 Nobody has ever heard that comparison.

Speaker 34 I think it's great he's being compared to this great champion by me 30 seconds ago.

Speaker 34 Do you see? Obviously.

Speaker 34 Everybody knows what we think of Moxley and his work and his mindset. This is not any kind of surprise to anybody.
He's,

Speaker 34 in my opinion, the worst pushed wrestler in the world, and he's a garbage-minded indie fanatic. And I'm sure that's why he and Tony bond.

Speaker 34 But having said that, regardless of what I think of him or what anyone else thinks of him, if they like him, I think everybody can universally agree.

Speaker 34 that ever

Speaker 34 saw a Harley race match, there's no comparison in the work, whether whether good or bad. There's no similarity in the in-ring work.

Speaker 34 There is certainly no similarity in the on-screen persona.

Speaker 34 I've never met Mr. Moxley.
I've been lucky up until now.

Speaker 34 But I met Harley on numerous occasions. And

Speaker 34 no, I'm pretty sure there's no similarities outside the ring either. And

Speaker 34 for someone who has met both of them,

Speaker 34 I'd heard about this comparison, this statement that Tony made because other people heard about it too. And Ace Steele.

Speaker 33 Yeah, I have a good quote here.

Speaker 34 Who trained with Harley? I'll let you give it in a second. Trained with Harley Race,

Speaker 34 worked with Harley Race alongside him in his school, has currently got the Harley Race trademark.

Speaker 34 and is trying to keep Harley's name alive and out in front of the wrestling public, industry people whatever i didn't know that he has harley race's trademark he has harley race's trademark and the oh wow the school that he's running now down in florida is based on harley's training methods and etc point being

Speaker 34 he's probably the guardian of harley's legacy at this point and he was

Speaker 34 insulted

Speaker 34 Because when I heard it, I laughed like we were just laughing about it. Like, what the fuck is this guy rambling about?

Speaker 34 But to him, it was an insult to

Speaker 34 a great talent and mentor to have Jon Moxley be compared to Harley Race in any way. And A.
Steele has met both these guys.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 do with that what you will. What was that exact quote?

Speaker 33 A. Steele responded to the headline on Twitter, the headline of this article that he responded to.
Tony Khan names Jon Moxley as AEW's modern-day Harley Race.

Speaker 33 And he wrote, count this as one of the dumbest and most blasphemous things I've ever read. Utter crap.
Really infuriating.

Speaker 33 Zero comparison.

Speaker 33 And that's the thing. I mean, if you try to even

Speaker 33 objectively look at this,

Speaker 33 and we don't like Moxley's matches or his work,

Speaker 33 I see that right there. There's a disqualifier because Harley Race, it was the opposite.

Speaker 33 I don't see any comparison. I mean, in terms of the work, I mean, Tony was throwing everything at the,

Speaker 33 he's from the Midwest. He works hard.
He's got chest hair.

Speaker 34 Actually, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Since when did Cincinnati become part of the Midwest?

Speaker 33 Is Ohio considered?

Speaker 34 I wouldn't consider it. I'm farther fucking west than Cincinnati is.

Speaker 34 The Midwest is Kansas and Missouri and Illinois and whatever the fuck, Ohio? Never go on.

Speaker 33 Again, Tony said watching a Moxley match, he's observed many times that it's like watching a great Harley race match. What match?

Speaker 33 What great Harley race match in Japan or here in the States is anything like one of these awful Jon Moxley matches?

Speaker 34 And even if you like Moxley's work

Speaker 34 and you think his matches are good, in what way are they in any way similar to Arleigh races?

Speaker 34 No.

Speaker 34 Here's the problem.

Speaker 34 Again,

Speaker 34 Tony, we make fun of him because of his

Speaker 34 eccentricities and the fact that he's so easily pleased by all of these, you know, he's getting to collect all these wrestlers and do all his stuff and everything's great.

Speaker 34 But a lot of the boys. Now,

Speaker 34 I hesitate to call them the boys. A lot of the modern talent today,

Speaker 34 they're not really the boys. They're Marks themselves.
And they want to be, they want to compare their friends to other people in interviews, or they want to be compared to other people or whatever.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 so Adam Page is the stone cold Steve Austin of AEW. No, he's not.

Speaker 34 And that's.

Speaker 34 That's not even fair.

Speaker 34 Even if some of these guys, the pages and everybody that they say are the so-and-so of AEW or the so-and-so of modern times, even if they were any good,

Speaker 34 they either ain't as good as people are being compared to, or they're just nothing like them.

Speaker 34 But because these guys and girls are all marks, why do the girls are marks too? Why do you think Mercedes wants all these outlaw belts?

Speaker 34 Because she's a fucking mark.

Speaker 34 And she doesn't know it's meaningless because she's in love with herself.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I don't think she's also realized when's she going to go on this goddamn job spree, Brian?

Speaker 34 Is she just,

Speaker 34 is she going to retire with the belt of 10 obscure independent companies undefeated? Or is she going to go back and drop these fucking things, these poor

Speaker 34 local promoters running her hometowns on their birthdays?

Speaker 33 I believe she just won two more belts this week.

Speaker 34 Jesus Christ. So but

Speaker 34 she's going to be doing jobs from Natal Kingdom. Come.

Speaker 34 Or maybe not.

Speaker 33 Tony Khan says she's AEW's fabulous Moolah.

Speaker 34 Even Moolah only had one belt that she never lost instead of 12.

Speaker 33 Yeah, I don't think there's anything there to Moxley and Harley Race. That seems ridiculous.
And you can see why he would be upset about that.

Speaker 33 That's just, it's, Do you think Tony Khan says these things because he just wants positive things out there? Do you think he really believes it?

Speaker 33 Do you think it's a lack of understanding of what worked in the past? Like, he knows wrestling history the way someone who just watched a bunch of stuff would know it.

Speaker 33 But does he have a lack of understanding of why things work, how they worked, the context of the time? Just everything. Like, he makes comparisons sometimes.

Speaker 33 You're like, it seems like he doesn't know anything, but you know, he's watched a shit ton of wrestling.

Speaker 34 Well, that's the thing, but unfortunately, he sees it, whatever the condition is

Speaker 34 that he and Uncle Dave share, Mr. Meltzer.

Speaker 34 He sees it the way Dave saw it. It was great for a lot of years, and then it sucked for 20 years until they started doing stuff I like again.

Speaker 34 And then, and so

Speaker 34 Tony has, Tony either comes up with these comparisons or hears them and likes them.

Speaker 34 To answer your question, Tony believes what he's saying, whether it's his idea, whether somebody said, hey, he's our Harley. Oh, yeah, I think he is.

Speaker 34 But it's because

Speaker 34 they have,

Speaker 34 for some reason, it's a dichotomy in personality. They have a respect.

Speaker 34 for the personalities that were great in the wrestling industry 30 and 40 and 50 years ago and the veterans and et cetera, and they love to be compared to them, and they want to compare other people to them.

Speaker 34 And then they go out and do their product where they completely shit on

Speaker 34 everything that any of those veterans would have done, wanted, or stood for.

Speaker 34 And like I said, if Lou These had been ringside for any of that show, he would have fucking physically vomited on his feet.

Speaker 34 So I don't know.

Speaker 34 They love love the veterans. They want to love the history of the business and pay respect to these people by completely taking a runny, messy shit on the business that they

Speaker 34 tried to further by just doing the things that they do. It doesn't make any sense.
But that's the same thing Dave does.

Speaker 34 He's got a Hall of Fame,

Speaker 34 and everybody in his fucking Hall of Fame that his own

Speaker 34 listeners or readers vote for in the wrestling hall of fame would be as offended if they saw this shit as a steele is at that comparison.

Speaker 34 So I don't understand.

Speaker 33 It's a bad comparison, Jim. John Moxley is not good at selling.

Speaker 33 I think a Harley race, I think of some of those matches on the Mid-Atlantic tapes, him and Ricky Steamboat, and just the way he would sell a chop and like get on one foot and then go down, place would explode.

Speaker 33 Moxley, not known known for selling, you have to wonder if maybe he can improve his selling by starting an online store and maybe finding some topics that, topics, some products that he could sell, or maybe his wife could sell.

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Speaker 33 All right, Jim, a few more questions before we get out of here. I want to go back to a topic you just mentioned, Mercedes Monet,

Speaker 33 and her, I believe it's now 12 belts

Speaker 33 after winning the Ring of Honor Interim Women's Television Championship.

Speaker 34 Wait a minute. What? What?

Speaker 33 That was what she wanted to pay-per-view from Mina Shirakawa. That was the Ring of Honor Interim Women's Television Championship.

Speaker 34 Of Saturday nights. Okay.

Speaker 33 So you brought up a good point earlier.

Speaker 33 The fact that Mercedes-Monet having all these belts would make you think that eventually there needs to be a tour of jobs all over the world, big and small, venues alike.

Speaker 33 What do you think of her doing this? I've seen

Speaker 33 people talk about even maybe some indie promoters that this is a big help for them. She gets these indie promotions a lot of attention.

Speaker 33 When they put her match on YouTube, it will get a much greater amount of viewers than the average match they would put on YouTube.

Speaker 33 There are people saying that Mercedes Monet, whether she's a mark for herself or not, is actually doing a great help to worldwide all the independent promotions. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 there is validity in if you've got a big name

Speaker 34 talent, big name wrestler, to come to an independent show and they might sell a few extra tickets and they might sell some merchandise, or as you mentioned,

Speaker 34 they'll watch the thing on YouTube. Obviously, a lot of independent wrestling was built on

Speaker 34 having stars that were formerly on television or have some level of notoriety when you can book them, come in, and you put that on top and the local guys are underneath, you know, getting experience.

Speaker 34 That's fine.

Speaker 34 But again,

Speaker 34 the whole idea of the multiple belt thing,

Speaker 34 it's no benefit to AEW because nobody's ever heard of any of these other championships to begin with. And it just looks clowny

Speaker 34 that

Speaker 34 to the average person, wait a minute, what the fuck? She's champion of 12 different things. How is that even possible? Is that just, and, and what are these things? I've never heard of any of them.

Speaker 34 It just looks goofy. It doesn't help AEW.
It helps Mercedes Monet

Speaker 34 achieve her fantasy of being Ultimo, which Ultimo was it? The Dragon or the Guerrero?

Speaker 34 Ultimo Dragons, you know,

Speaker 34 yeah, breaking his record.

Speaker 34 And for these smaller companies, yes, if she comes in and works, it may sell a few extra tickets or whatever. But also, like I said,

Speaker 34 at some point,

Speaker 34 she needs to lose that belt

Speaker 34 to one of the particular promotions'

Speaker 34 regular talents to have made it worth it to put the belt on or to

Speaker 34 when Jerry Lawler made the Smoky Mountain champion one time so that then he could do a favor for Bobby Blaze and try to help Bobby Blaze.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 if that's the case, then that's fine. But isn't it going to be

Speaker 34 she literally will have be in a position where she will have to have some of these belts for a couple of years unless she's going to do a job every month or two.

Speaker 34 And then what the fuck good does that do? And I've, I wait to see whether she's going to lose any or most, probably not all of these things back

Speaker 34 in the ring to their rightful places

Speaker 34 it's just it's being marks all these belts they're they're

Speaker 34 fans and marks are two different things

Speaker 34 fans are people who like something and want to support it and like to watch it marks are people who

Speaker 34 take it too far get wrapped up in it believe

Speaker 34 their own bullshit, whether they're on either side of the camera,

Speaker 34 and lose sight of what the fucking point of the whole thing is just because you think that it would be cool yourself.

Speaker 34 Whether it's a guy picking his own entrance music or somebody say, oh, wow, I'd really love to win that belt.

Speaker 34 Why? What's it going to do for you? Depends on what belt it is.

Speaker 33 And again, she has 12 belts currently. That's

Speaker 33 a lot. I'm trying to see if there's a list of all the belts here because I'm not even sure.
I see someone emailed us.

Speaker 33 Four of them.

Speaker 33 There's two AEW belts she has, one Ring of Honor belt, and one CML belt.

Speaker 33 I'm trying to see what are the actual other belts that she has.

Speaker 34 Well, just look, just look around the waist of a male stripper. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 33 This is from SE Scoops. It is a championship belt tracker for Mercedes Monet.

Speaker 33 She won the TBS Championship May 7th, 2024 in Vegas from Statlander.

Speaker 33 She won the CML Women's World Championship August 4th, 2024

Speaker 33 in Arena, Mexico from Princessa Sughit.

Speaker 33 Or however you call it. Sug Hit? S-U-G-E-H-I-T.

Speaker 34 Sugit.

Speaker 33 All right. Maybe she's in the death row records.

Speaker 33 Mercedes Monet won the Rev Pro undisputed British Women's and Queen of the Southside Championship from Alex Windsor, January 5th, 2025, in the Tokyo Dome.

Speaker 34 Wait a minute. What happened to Alex Windsor? She popped up and we haven't seen her in a while.

Speaker 33 Then her husband got hurt or her boyfriend.

Speaker 33 Whatever the situation is, he got hurt. So who knows if that affected it.

Speaker 34 Well, besides that, is that two titles or one? Is it...

Speaker 34 Did she win two different championships there or just one, but it's called that thing?

Speaker 33 I don't know. We'll figure that at the end because that's at least three or maybe four championships.

Speaker 33 The EWA Women's Championship, the European Wrestling Association, February 11th, 2025 from Mia Yim.

Speaker 33 The Chaotic Wrestling Women's Championship for Chaotic Wrestling in Lowell, Massachusetts. She won that March 2nd, 2025 from Paris Van Dale.

Speaker 33 Mercedes-Monet won the primetime wrestling women's championship

Speaker 33 over Camille,

Speaker 33 April 6, 2025, Warsaw, Poland.

Speaker 34 Poland?

Speaker 34 Fuck, maybe she was doing some advance work for Queen of the Ring, Camille, over there. But number one, I wonder if Camille is still getting an AEW check.

Speaker 34 Maybe they're paying for her driving lessons.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 so Camille had to put

Speaker 34 Mercedes over when Mercedes was the root of her problem to begin with, there, wasn't it?

Speaker 33 Maybe it's not the same Camille. Maybe it's Polish Camille.
Oh, good lord. They're in Poland.
Who knows?

Speaker 33 Also, Jim, Mercedes Monet won the Best Ya

Speaker 33 Women's Championship from Best Ya Wrestling, B-E-S-T,

Speaker 33 Y-A, Best Ya Wrestling,

Speaker 33 April 20th, 2025, in Hamburg, Germany, over Iva Kolosky.

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 I hate it that Iva Kolonoscopy had to lose her belt, but

Speaker 34 where do they even hear of these places and these promotions?

Speaker 34 How do they know they exist to go and find them and win their belts?

Speaker 33 It's a very interesting question. I don't know.
Mercedes Monet won the Discovery Wrestling Scottish Women's Championship May 2025. There's no date here, just May,

Speaker 33 over Casey Owens in Edinburgh.

Speaker 34 It was a long match.

Speaker 33 That's right. She won the Body Slam Women's Championship on a show for Body Slam Pro Wrestling, October 2025, in Copenhagen, Denmark, over Regina

Speaker 33 Rosendahl.

Speaker 33 She also won the AEW Owen Hart Women's Cup.

Speaker 34 Who is paying for Josephine Camill to fly all over the goddamn world with her team, I assume?

Speaker 33 She won that over Jamie Hayter, and that's uh, that was in July 2024, so I guess that's an older one here. And then, two more interim Ring of Honor Women's World Television Champion, October 18th, St.

Speaker 33 Louis over Mina Shirakawa. The next day for Winnipeg Pro Wrestling Women,

Speaker 33 Winnipeg Pro Wrestling's Women's Championship is what I meant to say. At the Rumble in the Burt in Winnipeg, she won that title over Jodi Threat.

Speaker 33 Jodi Threat.

Speaker 33 So that's one,

Speaker 33 three, four,

Speaker 33 five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yeah, the Rev Pro one, I guess, is one title just with multiple names.
The Undisputed British Women's and Queen of the Southside Championship.

Speaker 34 Hopefully, none of these wrestling promotions are going to be located in a forest, or elsewhere, we may never see her again.

Speaker 34 Because as you'll recall, she can't find her way out of the woods.

Speaker 33 And it's not as simple as, hey, book her on a bunch of indie shows to drop these belts are all over the world. Poland, Germany, Canada.
So I guess two questions to finish this up.

Speaker 33 One, can you see how this would be a big benefit to the independent promotions and why they would be happy with her? And also, how does this help AEW?

Speaker 34 Well, again, as I said, you know, it doesn't help AEW at all because it just confuses the issue of who their women's champion is because they have multiple ones of those.

Speaker 34 And nobody's ever heard of or are going to hear of these miscellaneous belts. And it just sounds like joke promotions, which some of them may be.

Speaker 34 Some of them may be hardworking local concerns trying to establish themselves. But why? I don't know.

Speaker 34 I don't know how it would be worth it to fly this girl all the way over to Hoo-Ha, Denmark

Speaker 34 and put her up. And how many extra tickets is she going to sell? I was thinking we were talking about,

Speaker 34 Beaverton, Oregon Pro Wrestling, not Switzerland or whatever. So

Speaker 34 again, there's a lot of fans that are doing this for the love of the game or the love of themselves.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I think the promoters are doing it for the love of the game and she's doing it for the love of herself.

Speaker 33 Also, the idea that all these promotions are just giving their belts to her to leave with them.

Speaker 33 You know, I guess they assume she'll come back eventually and drop it, but it's their belt.

Speaker 34 Well, it may be she's talked Tony Khan in and just say, Here, how much did you pay for that belt? Three grand here. Here's three grand.

Speaker 34 Do we know that he's that the local promoters are paying her at all? Is he paying her to go collect all these belts? Because that's a big deal to him for people to have belts.

Speaker 34 That's why he keeps having all of them made.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 now that I think about it, I don't want just by

Speaker 34 assuming that this might be a normal business deal done in the normal business way that wrestling business is done

Speaker 34 is shortchanging Tony Kahn and his willingness to just spend any amount of money to do any stupid thing because it appeals to Marx.

Speaker 34 And I don't mean fans, I mean Marx.

Speaker 33 All right, Jim, a few more questions and then we'll get the hell out of here. This question was sent to CourtneyDriveThru at gmail.com from Steve

Speaker 33 in Old Tringham, Manchester.

Speaker 33 Jim's been to our little town before for the WCPW Cody and Kurt.

Speaker 34 I remember, yes, that's the

Speaker 34 first or the second trip that I, the first trip that I made over to Jolly Old England was for the

Speaker 34 live events I did and various at a couple of the WCCW

Speaker 34 wrestling events.

Speaker 33 Is there a logic as to why the face tag team partners typically stand on the far left of the ring for the TV audience and heels are on the near right?

Speaker 33 I can only assume it's so that we could see the hot tag clearer when it happens.

Speaker 34 They almost never happen, even when they're trying.

Speaker 33 On a recent WWE show and AEW show a few months ago, the match started with the tag partners opposite to this,

Speaker 33 and there was an awkward moment when when the ref ushered the participants to their correct corner so jim what about the placement of the tag team partners what corner they get on tv

Speaker 33 um

Speaker 34 i mean it never used to be standard

Speaker 34 in the territories it was

Speaker 34 When you had a babyface corner and a heel corner that was standard to the building back in the days of territory wrestling, when you were somewhere every week or every two weeks or every month or whatever, Then,

Speaker 34 based on the way that the building was laid out and where the aisleways were from the locker room or whatever, you adopted a standard baby face and heel corner. And that's kind of the way it was.
And

Speaker 34 I've been in places before when we used to change territories, we'd get in the ring. If we were first, we'd ask the referee.
which is our corner.

Speaker 34 And the referee, since he was already there regularly and knew, he would tell us.

Speaker 34 But with television, when it used to be the, again, the TV studios, you were in the same place all the time. So it kind of developed.
But then when they started, Brian, you remember this

Speaker 34 in the 80s when the NWA and WWF and

Speaker 34 different

Speaker 34 companies started taping in the arenas and going out of their territory and doing more different tapings.

Speaker 34 Sometimes it was hit and miss. You'd see them different places, right? That would happen.

Speaker 34 And then,

Speaker 34 because I don't know, it was pretty much standard before I got there, but each company, I don't know when Vince did it, but each company that was doing regular television

Speaker 34 started making it standard where the corners were so that it wouldn't be disorienting visually to the fans, and especially if they had a match from tonight and then they pitched to last week for a videotape replay or whatever, and everybody was in a different side, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 34 Good question,

Speaker 34 but kind of just that's the way that it eventually transpired.

Speaker 34 In the old days, the heel corner was the closest one to the fucking aisleway to the locker room because they were more likely to have to fight to get back than the babyfaces did.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, Jim, let's get what will probably be our final question here this week.
This was sent to CorneyDriveThruGmail.com from Matt Reed in Eatonton, Georgia.

Speaker 33 Hey Jim, my social media algorithm has been feeding me dozens of videos from wrestling conventions. And it has me wondering if these gatherings of legends are as depressing as it seems.

Speaker 33 Most of the clips, the wrestlers are barely smiling, or lack any enthusiasm to meet the people who paid to see them.

Speaker 33 As a follow-up, how do wrestlers get paid for these events? Is it a flat rate for all, or do you get paid more depending on your box office draw?

Speaker 34 Well, there's no way to

Speaker 34 attribute a box office draw to a guest at a fan fest. I mean, you know, you can kind of figure, but

Speaker 34 first of all, it depends on the fan fest because

Speaker 34 there have been, and I've been to many of them.

Speaker 34 I remember

Speaker 34 several, including one in Atlanta, Georgia, one time, where there was absolutely nobody fucking there

Speaker 34 because the promoters, even though I, in this case, warned them of what they were getting into,

Speaker 34 they didn't know what they were doing and nobody knew the shit was happening. And when guys are sitting around

Speaker 34 with no fans and, you know, just sitting there, it's fucking miserable. And then, you know, you get some of the guys

Speaker 34 just do it for the money. They don't like meeting the people or they don't want to take the time to sign the autographs or whatever.
And you can tell they don't want to be there.

Speaker 34 And there's that, those comments,

Speaker 34 you know, then

Speaker 34 go out after the fan fest from the fans who are kind of. ticked off about it.
You know, well, fuck, he could have looked up at me, which he could have.

Speaker 34 And then I always thought

Speaker 34 I applied it as the same way as I did going to a show. I'm going there to be Jim Cornette.
Instead of managing wrestlers and yelling at the fans, I'm meeting the fans and talking to the fans.

Speaker 34 And,

Speaker 34 you know, if I ain't got enough energy for that, that people came and paid money to see and talk to me, then I shouldn't be there.

Speaker 34 Which, now that I have very little energy these days, is why I'm not there.

Speaker 34 It's a lot of hard work to be cheerful, Brian, for for eight hours at a time.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 34 it just depends on who the guy is. And it depends on at a successful fan fest, I've been so busy signing autographs and selling merchandise and talking to people and taking pictures of whatever

Speaker 34 that at the end of the time, you realize I barely sat down once. It was just steady fucking people.
Or it can be shitty the other way. But

Speaker 34 as far as how you get paid, it's most of the time

Speaker 34 the guys get a guarantee to go for a period of time and either do a QA or sign autographs or take pictures or whatever the deal is. Sometimes they have these agents, and that's a mixed bag,

Speaker 34 that they have to give part of the cut of the money to, or that's book them or set them up, or whatever. But again, they get a flat fee.

Speaker 34 But to be honest, for the last three or four years that I was doing any kind of fan fests or autograph deals or whatever, I would just tell the promoter,

Speaker 34 give me a table, advertise I'm going to be there and get the fuck out of my way.

Speaker 34 Because I would bring all my merchandise and sell all my stuff and make more money than I would have on a guarantee and had more fun too. And that way they couldn't really tell me what to do

Speaker 34 or what I had to do or what I needed to do. I could just bullshit with the people.

Speaker 34 So it just depends on what the situation is and what the deal that's been made as far as who's paying who for what.

Speaker 33 You know, we hear from people, you know, who always say that they miss you on the convention scene or they met you years ago.

Speaker 33 Almost 100% of the time, if not 100% of the time, it's Jim was so nice. It was such a great experience meeting him.
I bought this, this, and this.

Speaker 33 But there are a lot of guys, again,

Speaker 33 they go there and they either have a bad attitude. You know, you hear stories, you see footage, or they clearly don't want to be there or they're there just for the money.

Speaker 33 I don't know what my question was now that I say all these insults about random wrestlers, but

Speaker 33 you gave everyone a good experience and people came there and they walked away with that good experience.

Speaker 33 You hear stories also about the other side of it, like wrestlers, people who love Jimmy Valiant. They may not love the fact that you couldn't walk past them without buying something.

Speaker 33 But what do you think a lot of guys miss?

Speaker 33 Because there are plenty of people who go to conventions and they may not be Jim Cornette, but, you know, there's someone who did something that people were fans of.

Speaker 33 And maybe they don't do the business you would have done. Maybe they don't have as much, as many different things that they're controlling themselves.

Speaker 33 I guess you addressed all these things differently.

Speaker 34 Yes, but also the thing is, a lot of the guys weren't necessarily fans.

Speaker 34 Some of them, you know, like Bobby Eaton,

Speaker 34 he was such a fan from when he was a little kid.

Speaker 34 He could sit around and talk to the fans day and, you know, understand what's, but other guys maybe weren't fans and don't understand, you know, what the fans like and what they like to talk about. Or

Speaker 34 maybe they can talk about their own shit, but they can't talk about somebody else's. When somebody would come up to me from Memphis, oh,

Speaker 34 remember in the Coliseum, Lawler and Joe LaDuke? Oh, yeah, and we'll do 15 minutes because I was a fan, or I understand what they liked, or, you know, what they're talking about, or just, you know,

Speaker 34 that's

Speaker 34 also to me, it's the same kind of thing as guaranteed money in wrestling because I'm old enough to remember when you didn't have that. And a lot of the guys bitched about it.

Speaker 34 You know, we didn't have guaranteed money back then in those days.

Speaker 34 Well, but if you were good enough, you got there somehow.

Speaker 34 And if I'm gonna, if I know I'm getting $1,500, let's say, as a flat amount, to sit at a table for four hours and sign autographs, then I may not be as driven and motivated

Speaker 34 to be peppy and push that shit as if I'm getting the money from what I sell.

Speaker 34 So I had motivation not only to have a good time with the thing, but to sell my merchandise by being cheerful instead of frump-faced.

Speaker 34 And it's the same thing. It killed a lot of the guys' motivation to go out and draw money and get over

Speaker 34 and have a personality when they started just saying, You're going to get $150,000 a year, whether you

Speaker 34 discover a cure for cancer or shit to bed every night. Doesn't matter how good or bad you are, this is what you get.

Speaker 34 And no motivation.

Speaker 33 Did you encounter many, if any

Speaker 33 convention promoters that expected a cut of the merch you sell, even if it's your own?

Speaker 34 Well, no, because anytime I went somewhere,

Speaker 34 the deal was done before

Speaker 34 anybody even advertised I was going to be there.

Speaker 34 Whoever was paying who, what, or whoever was selling what and where, all that stuff would be worked out before I'd be advertised.

Speaker 34 Nobody ever came up and said, oh, by the way, Jim, I said I'd give you this table, but now I want 20%.

Speaker 34 Good luck.

Speaker 33 And what about when you did something that was, you know, like an added thing that people wanted?

Speaker 33 Like, for instance, a picture with not just Jim Cornette, but but like Jim Cornette and the Midnight Express if they were there. How would that work?

Speaker 34 Well, again, there would be, you know, a price for pictures.

Speaker 34 And a lot sometimes with me in the midnight, we were on a guarantee where we had to do, you know, whatever for the promoter in return for that guarantee. So they would set the price.

Speaker 34 But, you know, again,

Speaker 34 sometimes I would be over

Speaker 34 at my table and the guy and the promoters were paying the boys, but I'd run over and do the pictures anyway, because

Speaker 34 I wanted to make sure that everybody got what they wanted out of the thing. I had a point I was going to make also from something you said earlier, and I'm trying to think of what it was.

Speaker 34 And I can't. All right.
Well, this is.

Speaker 34 But basically, that's the thing is that

Speaker 34 I think if you give the people an enjoyable experience and have merchandise that they might want to buy at a price that's agreeable to everybody,

Speaker 34 then I don't want to guarantee. Oh, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 34 I don't want to guarantee because at a lot of the bigger fan fests, when I was getting paid by the promoter, I'd be sitting there at a fucking table where I didn't have time to talk to my old friends or to fucking go and look around and buy all the other merchandise or push my own shit because I was there at a table and I didn't want to be locked down.

Speaker 34 I like to circulate. And a lot of these things, I would buy

Speaker 34 almost as much shit as I, of other people's, as I sold of mine. But I wanted to have that opportunity.
So I liked a little more flexibility.

Speaker 33 All right. So I guess it wasn't depressing for you, but you can understand why maybe for some others.

Speaker 34 Well, and you can, you can, you can also make your own fun in a lot of cases.

Speaker 34 But yes, when when there is absolutely nobody there you're just sitting around with your dick in your hand maybe you're there for less money than you wanted to be anyway whatever i can see where guys are miserable but i can't see guys being miserable when there's a bunch of fans there and they just want some attention because that's why you're

Speaker 34 there

Speaker 33 Hey, Jim, one last thing. I know I said that was the last question, but I'm just seeing this now.

Speaker 33 We talked previously about the bust that Vincent Mann gifted people who attended his 80th birthday gala.

Speaker 33 Book Pro Wrestlers, who was the page that revealed that bust, has now put up the guest packet that everyone received.

Speaker 34 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 33 Welcome, dear family and friends. Welcome to New York and the beautiful Baccarat Hotel.
It means the world to me that you've traveled from near and far to be here.

Speaker 33 This weekend is not just about my birthday. It's about celebrating the people people who have shaped, supported, and brought joy to my first 80 years on this earth.
My first 80 years.

Speaker 33 And what a wild ride it's been.

Speaker 33 If you need anything at all over the weekend, please don't hesitate to reach out to the on-site team to assist you.

Speaker 33 I look forward to celebrating together. And it's signed, VM, sincerely Vince McMahon.

Speaker 33 And here's the itinerary.

Speaker 34 Oh, they got an itinerary.

Speaker 33 Friday, August 22nd, 2025, cocktail event at the Baccarat Hotel from 8 p.m. to 12 midnight.
The Grand Saloon and Bar, again, Baccarat Hotel, cocktail attire.

Speaker 33 Guests will be welcomed with an elegant evening gathering to kick off the celebration weekend. Please either leave yourself.

Speaker 34 Wait a minute, is they had to be there for the whole fucking weekend for Vince? I can understand going to a guy's birthday party, but a fucking weekend around your former boss.

Speaker 33 Please either leave your cell phones in your rooms or use our secure phone check.

Speaker 33 So let's stop there for a second. No phones.

Speaker 33 What are your thoughts on hearing the initial bits of this invitation?

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 I understand

Speaker 34 that

Speaker 34 they didn't want people taking pictures. Vince wanted it to be private with his friends.
And boy, see how that worked out for him.

Speaker 34 And I can understand you not wanting somebody to take pictures or put pictures up on social media or whatever.

Speaker 34 But no, I'm not going. And I don't even carry a cell phone.
You know this. I have a cell phone in my fucking car in the expedition.
And if I'm late or lost, I will turn it on and notify somebody.

Speaker 34 But at the same point,

Speaker 34 if I'm a person that's away from home,

Speaker 34 out of town,

Speaker 34 and I need to, my wife needs to be able to call me or whatever, I'm not giving somebody my fucking phone.

Speaker 34 I'm going to have my phone. I'll just not use my phone, except in case of emergency.

Speaker 34 And that's no, I'm not giving anybody my fucking phone, whether it's friends, enemies, or goddamn

Speaker 34 a business. It just, it ain't happening.
So I don't, and again,

Speaker 34 but I guess we see how it worked out. I would think if there are people that you would invite to your birthday party that mean that much to you, if you just said, hey, don't take any pictures,

Speaker 34 then they wouldn't take any pictures.

Speaker 34 But Vince is a fucking,

Speaker 34 he's got an all

Speaker 33 frame.

Speaker 34 Yeah, control frame where he's got to tell everybody what to do or have the parameters set.

Speaker 34 And he doesn't doesn't see anything wrong with that. Did he have his phone? Go ahead.

Speaker 33 Well, that was Friday. Let's go back to the itinerary here.
This is Saturday, August 23rd, 2025. Daytime activities.

Speaker 33 Explore the city during the day.

Speaker 33 Followed by Black Tie Birthday Gala. Location to be revealed.

Speaker 33 Transportation will begin departing the Baccarat Hotel at 6.30 p.m.

Speaker 33 Please begin gathering in the Grand Saloon of the Baccarat Hotel on the second floor by 5:30.

Speaker 33 Please do not take any photos or videos at the formal events. Guests are asked to leave phones in their rooms or use to secure phone check.

Speaker 33 So, once again, nothing.

Speaker 34 Okay, but wait a minute. First of all,

Speaker 34 exploring the city.

Speaker 34 All these guys have been to New York a hundred fucking million times, and does that mean that Vince is going to show them around?

Speaker 33 What was that all about yeah welcome to my sightseeing tour get on the bus

Speaker 33 this is ben benson's uh

Speaker 34 and then secondly well besides that

Speaker 34 black tie guy so

Speaker 34 i've asked people to come to my birthday party

Speaker 34 Now I want them to get tuxedos and wear them?

Speaker 34 Who wants to wear a fucking tuxedo on your fucking birthday?

Speaker 34 I've worn a tie like six times in the last three years when Dark Side of the Ring fucking shows up to shoot.

Speaker 34 Go ahead.

Speaker 33 We have a page here for concierge.

Speaker 33 Welcome to New York. We're thrilled you've joined us to celebrate Vince's 80th birthday.

Speaker 33 Whether you need help with plans, recommendations around the city, or just a little something to make your stay more comfortable?

Speaker 33 We have an event concierge team at your service from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

Speaker 34 During these operating hours. And then who's in our service from 8 p.m.
to 8 a.m. is what I want to know.

Speaker 33 During these operating hours, we are located on the second floor in the Petite Saloon.

Speaker 33 That's where I want my concierge in the bar.

Speaker 34 Yes, and also they wouldn't even tell them where the celebration was.

Speaker 34 When's the last time that you agreed to travel out of town to go to somebody's event, whether it be wedding or birthday party or whatever,

Speaker 34 and they won't tell you where you're going to be going when you get to the place you're supposed to be?

Speaker 33 I would never. Yeah, I've never done that.
I never would do that. So, no, that's not something I've experienced.

Speaker 33 But I also wouldn't put up with someone like Vince who wants to control every situation.

Speaker 33 You know, this person also posted, I never saw this before.

Speaker 33 The invitation for the Vince McMahon roast in 1991.

Speaker 33 Linda McMahon cordially invites you to join her at a surprise roast for Vince to celebrate both his birthday and the 20th anniversary of the World Wrestling Federation.

Speaker 33 This promises to be a fun-filled evening where roasters deliver good-natured, with a question mark in parentheses, barbs at their friend, and then in parentheses again, without fear of reprisal. Ha!

Speaker 33 Rainbow Room 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, New York, Tuesday, August 27th, 91, black tie, music by

Speaker 33 Roy Gearson Orchestra,

Speaker 33 RSVP

Speaker 34 the founder of Milton DeLug and his band with a thug.

Speaker 33 Here are the roasters, the MC Gene Oakerlund, and the Roaster Basil DeVito,

Speaker 33 Dick Eversall and Susan St. James, Michael Feinberg,

Speaker 33 John Filipelli,

Speaker 33 Dick Glover, Bobby Heenan, Hulk Hogan, Linda McMahon,

Speaker 33 Pat Patterson, Joe Perkins, Doug Sages,

Speaker 33 Randy Savage, Jim Troy, and the most surprising one here, Jesse Ventura, because this is after he left. And a surprise celebrity roaster.
Remember, it's a surprise.

Speaker 33 So another Vince McMahon birthday extravaganza in New York City here.

Speaker 33 Any final thoughts on the birthday, the birthday travels of Vince McMahon?

Speaker 34 Yeah, it sounds like if he'd, you know, we meet out in front of the hotel and up pulls a dirty white panel van to get into. I said, no, I'm pretty much not going to be doing that.

Speaker 33 All right, Jim. Well, with that, where is this? Here it is.
The drive-through is closed.

Speaker 33 That was a bad note at the end. Let's get a song or two.

Speaker 34 Go at the end, huh?

Speaker 33 At the end, let's get a song or two before we get out of here.

Speaker 33 This one

Speaker 33 was sent

Speaker 33 by Anthony Di Donato, aka Captain Quorum from Wilmington, Delaware. He has sent in songs in the past.
Here's his latest one right here.

Speaker 33 Well, they took two teeth right out of my head.

Speaker 33 Yes, they took two teeth right out of my head.

Speaker 33 They took two,

Speaker 33 they took two

Speaker 33 Brian last scoffs at me

Speaker 33 and he tries to tell me teeth come out of your mouth, not your hands

Speaker 33 But they took two teeth right out of my hand

Speaker 33 Brian can't explain where mouths are instead

Speaker 33 took two

Speaker 33 So now I

Speaker 33 have two holes

Speaker 33 in my head But Brian makes fun of my pain and says I don't

Speaker 33 Brian out of my head

Speaker 33 goes a tooth Then out of my head

Speaker 33 Another tooth out of my head

Speaker 33 Where I bite Ryan's wrong, I'm right.

Speaker 33 Stop the fight.

Speaker 33 Two parts of my person

Speaker 33 got extracted.

Speaker 33 They left two holes where

Speaker 33 they were from there, right there in my head.

Speaker 33 Now I've got two holes in my fucking head.

Speaker 33 Yes, I've got two holes in my fucking head.

Speaker 33 Ryan, out of my head,

Speaker 33 knows a tooth that out of my head.

Speaker 33 Another tooth out of my head.

Speaker 33 Where I bite, Ryan's wrong, I'm right.

Speaker 33 Stop the fight, yeah.

Speaker 33 Ask Brian

Speaker 33 what's wrong with him?

Speaker 33 What's wrong with him? All right, well, he's playing off there. Thank you once again.
Aaron D. Donato, Captain Quorum.
He always delivers. Very, very good.
Any thoughts on that, Jim?

Speaker 34 That was tremendous. I appreciate that.
And thankfully, the holes are healing.

Speaker 34 But still, Brian, I got no...

Speaker 34 I got no sympathy from you, and this confirms it.

Speaker 33 All right, well, thank you. Send in another song soon.
Great job, as always. We have a song that was apparently supposed to be sent in by Angel

Speaker 33 Carbaho. If you hear this angel, you didn't send an actual attachment to a song.
Send that other one.

Speaker 34 So, Angel Carbuncle screwed up there.

Speaker 33 This one was sent in, Jim, by Trent.

Speaker 33 Let's see what this is.

Speaker 37 Welcome to the doctor. Wrestling with the me and you.

Speaker 37 Welcome to the drop-down, you start starting day two.

Speaker 37 Wrestling greedies, and she'll pass it all. Wrestling news looks like a fake, a bit hateful.

Speaker 37 Promos from fun.

Speaker 33 Can you make out anything he's saying?

Speaker 34 Not really.

Speaker 33 You know, as always, we appreciate the effort that is made.

Speaker 34 There was a plug in there for my merchandise, but I barely heard it.

Speaker 33 That's right. But thank you.

Speaker 34 Is it the mix? Was it lost in the mix?

Speaker 33 I think it was lost in the mix. You got to bring the vocals up, bring everything else down.

Speaker 33 But thank you, Trent, for sending that in. Let's get another song here, Jim.

Speaker 33 This is from someone who has submitted a lot of songs in the past, and it's always hit or miss.

Speaker 33 This one was sent by Stefan in Auburn, Maine. Let's go to this.

Speaker 33 He took us,

Speaker 33 and for poor Jim Clark,

Speaker 33 that devil sought

Speaker 33 what the hell is this?

Speaker 33 Now Vincent cannot be here.

Speaker 33 McMahon fulfills

Speaker 33 a trick on the territory here

Speaker 33 and then he kills

Speaker 33 special.

Speaker 33 She sees

Speaker 33 okay, let me stop this for a moment, at least a moment. As I said, Stefan from Auburn Main always sends in very interesting takes and songs.
And

Speaker 33 any thoughts on this one that we're listening to?

Speaker 34 No.

Speaker 33 Well, thank you, Stefan, with that one. Let's give him another chance as

Speaker 33 he has sent in a bunch of stuff here. Let's try this one,

Speaker 33 which I always found amazing. Like, he wrestled Ali and he's like, I'm stealing the catchphrase from Zaire.

Speaker 33 Like, how the fuck did that happen? Ali Bumbaye, watch this. I'll have a song.
Inoki, Boombaye.

Speaker 33 Boombaye, Inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, ino key, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, in no key, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, inoki, boombaye, fight

Speaker 33 fight,

Speaker 33 I'll never forget where I was.

Speaker 33 Ladies and gentlemen, mark it down.

Speaker 34 You have been witnesses

Speaker 34 to history. It has happened.

Speaker 33 I didn't even have to open the third one. What a moment.
Let's see if it happens again.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, what better way to end the show than what's like it does?

Speaker 33 Thank you. There you go.
In Auburn, Maine.

Speaker 33 jim i ask you who has done a better job of paying tribute to antonio anoki this year tony khan or the jim cornet drive-through

Speaker 34 i think you and your keychain are at the root of all of this i think the anoki family should be forever in your debt sir

Speaker 33 all right well with that

Speaker 33 the drive-thru is closed of course Send in your song submissions and your questions. Corney drive-through at gmail.com.

Speaker 33 If you are in the Cult of Cornet Facebook group, look for a monthly post that goes up for questions and stays open for a few days. New one in a few weeks, obviously, for November.

Speaker 33 Go through the archive, patreon.com slash cornet. $5 a month gets you access to the archive going back to 2013.
Patreon.com slash Cornette.

Speaker 33 Don't forget about the official Jim Cornette YouTube channel. Just go to YouTube and search for Jim Cornette.
It'll come right up.

Speaker 33 Full episodes, clips of the episodes, omnibus collections, all with that very popular George Levinitis artwork, as as well as our guest artist, the official Jim Cornette YouTube channel.

Speaker 33 Coronets collectibles at jimcornet.com. What's going on, Jim?

Speaker 34 Book signing.

Speaker 34 A lot of it. Get them while you can.
I don't know whether or not that I have enough left in me to sign many more. Hurry, hurry, hurry

Speaker 33 to jimcornet.com.

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Speaker 33 But with that, the drive-thru is closed again.

Speaker 33 I've said it a bunch of times. We'll be back in a few days on the experience, and next week, right back here on the drive-thru.
For Jim Cornette, I'm the great Brian Last

Speaker 33 Tally Ho!

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