Khloé vs Conspiracies ft. Savas Oguz

This episode is about conspiracy theories. Have you heard that aliens and humans have crossbred? Oh my god.
You don't believe in one thing I believe in? Zavaz is born. to argue.

That's what people say, but I disagree with it. I come from a place of anything's possible.
You want to prove like that I'm crazy and like

right, which I am. You believe the moon landing happened.
I do. And you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon.
We don't even have service in some some parts of Calabasas.

One interesting conspiracy, I think, is how pyramids were made. This one's gonna really get me going.
What? How would they have the technology? The giants helped.

Do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica? What is it when you can say there's aliens there or something? There's portals. You think that's...
Do you believe in that?

Have you like ever seen a ghost? Literally last week, you know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind? And I was like, oh, what is in here? I don't believe in ghosts.

This was fun. I have so many more to.
We got to do this together.

Dare I ask your theory on mermaids? Mermaids?

This podcast I'm so excited about because

I've been wanting to get Savaz on the pod for a while now. Savaz is a dear friend of mine.
I've known him for about nine

plus years. 10 years.
Yeah, nine plus years.

And I met Savez because when I was dating Tristan, Sevez is one of Tristan's best friends from childhood.

And Savaz and I just really clicked. And when Tristan and I broke up, I still got to keep Savez.
So that's a good ending. No, we're literally family, right? Yes.
We're actually brother and sister.

I see Sevez literally every single day. And if I don't see him for a day, it feels like a year has gone by.
No, seriously. It's so weird.
We work out together. We work out together.

We like travel together. He's also in my family.
If you are friends with one of us, you're friends with all of us. So Savaz is friends with all of my siblings, my mom, everything.

So Savaz is literally like my brother.

And this episode is going to be about conspiracy theories and just us bantering about that. And the reason why is because Savaz and I do this all day long.
In a group chat with her brother.

In a group chat with Rob, or we'll just fight during our workout non-stop. We argue and Savaz is born to argue.
But I, but I will only argue with conspiracy theorists like you

argue with anyone. No, but I will mainly argue against like people that have crazy opinions.
I feel like I'm like a very very like even keel rational thinker. Okay, but you're also just,

I also think sometimes Savaz will argue for the sake of arguing.

People say that, but I don't see it. Oh, I'm not the only one that says that.
No, a lot of people say it. Okay.
But I don't. I genuinely do not see it.
I feel like I argue against stuff that's like.

No, I do. But somebody will say something crazy and I'll say, oh.
I think you just love to go against the grain. So if I'm like, oh, this is red, you're like, I, I disagree.
And I'm like, oh, Sevez.

That's what people say, but I disagree.

But anyway, it's amazing and I love it and I wouldn't want to fight with anyone else.

And this is your first time doing a podcast. Doing a podcast in general? Is that what you were going to say? I was going to say your first time in Wonderland.
Oh, yeah.

My show is called Chloe in Wonderland. I wouldn't rather be in nowhere else.
This would be the, this is the podcast that I feel like, I mean, I watch all your episodes pretty much.

It's so nice of you. Of course.
But also, duh, this is your first podcast. What am I thinking? I know.
I'm like highly requested here. Hello.
This is amazing.

Not a single person requested me, but I requested you forever. Let's have a sip.
All right. I'm drinking vodka, Sprite, and me on vodka.
What's a little tidbit? Oh, my God.

Vodka and I do not go hand in hand, but I could have a glass, but I'm very aggressive on vodka. Kendall will also confirm.
Oh, my God. I've beat Kendall up a few times.
I've seen you drag her.

It's so sad. Like, there's no reason.
She's the nicest girl. And I attack her.
Why her? But you're the nicest guy. And I, Savaz wears a baseball hat every fucking day of his life.

And he has the best head of hair. I do not understand.
I don't like to do my hair. It's like so much work.
It is literally like Fabio, which you don't know who Fabio is. I bet.
Exactly.

But like the shorter version, this luscious, thick locks of hair. And he puts a fucking baseball hat on it every every fucking time.
It's because, like, my hair is like thinner, I want to say.

No, it's not. So it's not.

But it's like, if I don't put product in it, it will just like fly everywhere. So I don't want to put product in it.
So sorry, so much hair.

But I do flick his hat off when I'm drunk, not every time. So I have to like stay far away from you every time.
No, I literally like, I literally say, okay, I cannot go near her.

Especially if I'm with like, if I'm beside somebody that I don't want to be like, get embarrassed in front of or something.

she'll grab my hat, throw it in the water, do this. It's crazy.
He's like, my brother. And so Savaz is Turkish.

His parents are from Turkey. From Turkey.
You're from Toronto. First generation Canadian.
Oh,

fuck yeah. Which is most of our, like, most people around my age are first generation Canadians.
Cause everybody's parents. Oh, in Toronto.
In Toronto.

The reason also why I'm saying that is there's a lot of things that you don't know about.

like i think because you weren't raised for sure like americanized oh no for sure and so one of those things are

there was this video that i saw and it was like lies your parents told and i want to know if your parents told you the same lies since they're foreign would they like these are things i definitely was told as a kid okay this okay were you ever told you'll go blind if you sit too close to the tv yes it's illegal to drive with the lights on in the car uh no I don't think they told me that.

I used to be in such fear. If I turned the little light on, I used to be in fear.
We're all going to jail. Yeah.
If you swallow gum, it takes seven years to digest.

I don't think I heard that. Wow.
If you pee in the pool, a ring will form around you.

A ring? No.

Or like it will turn red. You see a color.
Yes. I was always told that.
I've got eyes in the back of my head.

What's that? Sevez. Like, I mean, the common saying, like, I don't know.
No,

as a parent, I would be like, true, don't do that because I have eyes in the back of my head. So, like, if I turn around, yeah, I'm still watching.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

If you make that face, it will stay forever like that. Definitely.
Yeah. Why did they say that to us? I don't know.
Like, who cares if you make that face? I don't know. It's like people.

Have you ever heard the cross-eyed one? Well, like, if you cross your eyes too much, your eyes stick. I still think that might happen.
I know, me too. I'm not crossing my eyes.

What about you can't swim for 30 minutes after eating?

No, I've never heard that. Oh, Oh, I heard that.
Is that a thing? All the time, but I don't think it's real. You can swim whenever you want.
I've definitely never heard that one.

Do you know what prompted me to want to do this? What? When my kids were playing the head, shoulders, knees, and toes song. Yeah, yeah.
And you've never heard it before. Right.

That's outrageous to me. I mean, it's because they listen to it all day.
No, no.

Savez. Have you ever heard that song?

Head, shoulders, knees, and toes. Like the

song that we played and and you were like, oh, I've never heard that. No, right.

Why? Why is that so surprising? Is that like a popular song or something?

No, seriously, I've never heard. Who is it by? Well, it's happy birthday.
No one knows who it's by. It's just, I mean, I'm sure, because you have kids.
Did you know prior to having kids? I was a kid.

Oh, I've never heard that. That's definitely a Canadian-American thing.
They weren't playing like...

We didn't have too much money, so it's not like we could watch TV and hear these things. Happy birthday? Do you know that's

to me? It's like equivalent. Really? Like, do you know Ring Around the Rosie? Of course.
That's the same.

Really? I've never seen it. Yeah.
Yes.

I've never heard that. I think it's the same equivalency as Ring Around the Rosie.

That's crazy. So what wanted me to read you some of these was I just find it so fascinating that you don't know that song.
Did you always love conspiracies? I think I was always into them.

And you were, you're always on the side of you don't believe in them i don't believe in them so where do you find out about conspiracies through other people or do you like look for them honestly i feel like they just on social media i see them a lot twitter but now my algorithm is all conspiracies i mean i send you and rob the craziest no chloe if whenever you see like all chloe needs to see is big white letters on like a picture of something and it will say like the world is ending in 2028 she'll be like oh my god guys look the world is ending.

I'll be like, Chloe. I believe everything.
But you will send like 20 at a time, and I'll like, I won't get to all of them. No.
And Rob does, Rob is like, can you just

respond to one of the last one?

He's like, can you stop? Do you prefer a conspiracy to be unsolved, or would you rather know the truth? Like, is it fun to go down these routes?

I don't really believe in conspiracy. Like, I'm into them.
Like, I like that they're brought up, but I don't believe that, like, the

right. But what, so what i think you are you like to debunk a conspiracy yes and you want to prove like that i'm crazy and like

right which i am right and you want to be like this is not real and you want to debunk it for sure but without the conspiracy what would we even talk about

it's what we talk about all night now. No, it's it's I mean, I like just basic conversation about conspiracies because you say I like to argue.

I guess I do but I don't know I just obviously I think conspiracies are super interesting like depending on like the map that I looked into the moon one. Oh, that's where we're going.

Okay, talk about the moon landing. I believe that it happened now.
I do Savaz No, I do you believe the moon landing happened? I do. Please tell me why.

I mean so okay, so when I was young people used to say oh the flag was waving that was like a common like okay thing that would debunk the sure but I looked into that and they said that was because they moved the flag and then there was some like so is

waving

science behind why no, there's not

so what about the four camera angles? Which what is that?

If they're the first person on the moon, you're telling me there's four cameramen that went on the moon from different positions and they're filming them.

I mean, I just don't see because they said they've been to the moon like you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon, the people on

whatever, just be like, hey guys, did you make it? Like, we don't even have service in some parts of Calabasas. I know it is strange that we have.
It just didn't happen. But you know what?

They say it's happened like more than once, like six times or something, five or six times. Sevaste.
But in that period, it was like in the early 70s or something. My thing is, I've seen like

Elon, I know like you can't just always go back to this, but I've seen Elon say like he believes it's real.

And that gives him hope that he's going to make it happen. Like he's going to do it again.
Well, why has no one done it again?

They have sent vehicles to the moon and that type of stuff. But like.
I know. It's kind of strange.
I don't know. But you would say generally the world believes that that's a real thing, right?

Other than like conspiracy theorists. Well, duh, that's what a conspiracy theorist is.
Right. But so you're like one of the like.
I don't believe we landed on the moon. You don't.
I don't.

I just don't. The flag moving.

How is the flag waving back and forth like there's wind it just doesn't make sense well they said that's some like scientific thing where like when you if you twist the pole there's i don't know what the exact term is but like something happened to the to the flag i just don't believe it all right i don't get the phone call the president made to the astronauts i just think that it's so easy to that would easily it was the 60s though it was the 60s they you were able to hide so much

no it's true i don't know. I believe that it's real, but I think you're not.
I'll let you believe that. That's fine.
I'll let you believe that.

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This one's going to really get me going. Oh, God.
What is it?

What are your thoughts on aliens?

I don't believe they exist. Savaz, the government has confirmed that they exist.
But they haven't, though. But they have.

Like actual, like... I've told you this before.
You don't believe me. During COVID, they admitted that there was UFOs.

Yeah, but all a UFO is like an unidentified, like, flying object, right? So it's like something you don't even know what it is. But so

a sheet of metal flying through the air. And you would think, oh, that's a UFO.

No, it's from another, it's foreign. It's from another.
But

they don't know where it's from. It could be from anywhere, right?

Sure, it could be, but it's not. And by UFO, you mean like something like human, like some like aliens flying this thing through the air or something? Is that what you believe?

So do you believe that we're the only planet with living organisms on it?

In the entire galaxy? Like living life?

Well, I'm not saying I have to be humans like you and I, but you just think

like there's black hole after black hole and galaxy after galaxy. You don't think that there's a possibility? I I personally don't.
I'm not going to.

I think Earth is such like a,

life on Earth is like such like a unique thing. Yeah.
It had to be like once in a, like whatever. God's design.
Yes. God's design.
And I don't think. But why couldn't God design other things?

He could. I don't know.
I just feel like we would know. There would be more concrete evidence.
I haven't seen one piece of evidence where I'm like, okay, now I believe in aliens.

Not one thing other than people talking and I don't know. Okay.

I know you send like a lot of these things where like people claim they've seen an alien. Like I remember, remember when you sent the Miami, the Miami Mall thing?

You don't think the Miami alien mall sighting happened?

The worst thing I've ever seen ever. What?

So

when was this? I had to be like, what was this? No, New Year's. It was a New Year's.
That might have been the worst.

There was a incident at the Miami Mall. I don't know what the mall's name is,

but

I literally saw

183 police cars showed up to the mall.

And there's people running out saying there's aliens.

There's this 8-foot, 10-foot-tall, black, dark shadow figure. Someone mentioned a portal had opened up.

Should have said.

That is. No, no.
I know you're not going to like the portal situation. Savaz,

you're telling me 183 cops got called to the Miami mall. It was because there was a, they thought it was an active shooter in there.
Have you ever seen?

Let's just say, God forbid there was. Have you ever seen 183 cop cars go for an active shooter? Legitimately counting.
Yes, if that was in the report from the state.

Okay, they're not counting the amount of cop cars in the damn.

That is insane.

Everything I say, he does. he just won't believe it.
Do you believe that there was an alien in that mall? Yes. And there was not a phone.
100%.

Because something happened to all their phones. What aliens have like energetic devices and they can shut everything down.

Savaz. With all these cell phones, you don't think somebody could just take out a cell phone, a camera? I just told you what happened.
They have special devices? Yes.

And energetically, it shuts everything down. 100%.

Wow. Rob and I both believe there were

thousand percent. Okay, so let me also tell you if it wasn't real why do we never talk about it again people they bury it new year's day the mall are we okay

i think people don't talk about it because it was not real and it was so crazy no it was real why were 183 cop cars called there because they thought it was an active it was a bunch of kids causing a ruckus They thought maybe there was a shooting type of situation.

I've never seen 183 cop cars called to a shooting situation.

Yeah, but it's a big mall like i don't know they probably want to surround the whole mall and 183 that could just be a random number that people threw up okay

there's no way there's no convincing this guy of anything that is insane

so

have you heard

how you're really not gonna like this that aliens and humans have crossbred

oh my god i haven't heard this what do they say like that i'm i mean they get alien dna and they put it in a human Okay. And they have a baby.
Well, who's they? I don't know.

I don't know who they is, but there's supposedly alien-human crossbreeds and they know who they are. Like the government follows them and has been monitoring them.
Never heard of that.

That sounds insane. It does sound insane, but almost so insane that it's real.
But I just feel like,

again.

All this stuff is happening and nobody has a picture of anything, a video of anything.

Well, we have UFO photos, but you think they're

a flashing light and you think, oh, it's a UFO flying. So Dr.
Stephen Greer, who I had on, the alien expert guy, you're telling me he's just making up what his position is in the government?

I mean, I don't want to talk about him. So anyone that works, like people that do those documentaries that are in the government currently, I've seen a few of them.
They're

a Navy SEAL for 30 years, whatever the case may be. You're telling me they're making it up?

I just, I would go to them and I would say, okay, show me one piece of concrete evidence where you could say, look, an alien exists or look, a UFO, like this is like a flying, I don't know, whatever, something from another planet.

This guy, Sean Ryan, he's like super legit, to me, a no-nonsense type of guy. He's a podcast and he talks about this kind of stuff.
He has people on in the military. I think he's ex-military.
And he,

like, they've talk about things. I don't know why these people would all be making shit up.
Again, what do they like? Where's their evidence? Aside from... They can't have any.
When you go into these

classified buildings, you think they're letting you bring your cell phone?

I mean, what are they going to do? Like, you don't. They're going to search you.
But you're also saying like people are cross-breeding this, that.

Right. How do we have proof of that? Has somebody said they seen that with their own eyes? Yes.
I just watched this. Oh, God.

I wish I saved every fucking thing I see. When you say it overwhelmed me with footage, I'm going to start just sending it.

No, you legitimately send 20 things at once, and I just click on one random one, and I'll be like, okay, she's nuts.

There's aliens, and you're nuts. So, what's Area 51? That's just like a lot of classified documents are in there, but I don't think it's like alien stuff.

It's like stuff with the government and this and that. I don't think you're exhausting.
You're exhausting. Do they say there's alien stuff in there? Yes.

Nobody actually says it.

I think people like assume. Has it ever like confirmed? I've been there.
Well, they wouldn't let me in, but I've been there.

And they, there was sand snipers and they took our footage from keeping up because we were close. Yes, it was terrifying.
And we had a man who claimed he was abducted by aliens in our RV with us.

And when we got close to Area 51, he was vomiting. He was spiraling.
He was like, let me off. Let me off.
And we were like, oh my God, where did this guy come? We didn't know this guy.

We were so freaked out. And on the way to Area 51, they have like

souvenir shops of all alien stuff that like random people put together. Aliens are known to be there.
This sounds insane. You sound crazy.
He claimed he was abducted by aliens.

He wrote a book about it. He went missing for like five days, and then randomly they found him again.
He was probably in Hawaii on the beach or something.

It does sound crazy, but it happened. So, do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica?

What did they say about that? So, Antarctica is the only

continent in the world. I think there's like 50-something treaties that have been signed that no one will ever build or go to Antarctica unless it's known through the government.

Like you have to get government approval. You can't just go there.
If I'm not mistaken, we can't just fly over Antarctica without anyone being notified or you'll be like shot down.

Why is Antarctica the only place that no one is allowed to go unless you get government clearance? What are you going to say? There's aliens there or something? There's portals.

I believe there's portals there. Like portals, what? That would lead you like some, like you go in the portal and they're like.
We don't know, Sevez.

But

they also say that there's

like it's the place where something is there. I'm going to say aliens.

And there was this.

Like there is a scientific research group that went to Antarctica to do something. They got lost

and someone, Americans went out to rescue them.

They were found and they were put on a plane back to America and they would not speak and they would not speak about what they saw and they were so traumatized and scarred and they've never spoken about what they saw.

That's weird. What are these people seeing? I don't like that you're laughing at me and I'm calling Rob.
That sounds crazy. Hi.

I'm doing my podcast and Savaz is with me and he's pissing me off.

So what is,

tell him about Antarctica because he doesn't believe that there's anything shady with Antarctica? He knows everything that's going on. He just doesn't believe it.

No, that one I've never heard, genuinely. He guessed that there's aliens in Antarctica.
Is that what you're talking about? Yep, and how every nation in the world has agreed to not let

whatever civilization happen there. When has every nation agreed on anything? But you don't think somebody would just risk their lives and just go try to get there and try to get some like

there's been people, I believe, that yes, and what happened to them? They die, they get shot or something.

I don't know, they freeze, they get abducted by the aliens, whatever. And oh my gosh, and he doesn't believe the fucking aliens at the mall.

That one is the worst one I think ever.

That one, I can understand why he wouldn't believe it, but Robert,

don't ruin this for me.

That could have been a lot of different things. You're telling me 183 Rob, you were the one that riled me up about this one.

No, I did not, but at that time, maybe.

Yes, of course.

Listen.

Okay.

What about Malaysia Air? That was so sad. I mean, there's all these stories.
There's always stories.

Yeah, there's no, but what happened in, but why has there not been any

coincidence? So you guys, so where's Malaysia Air? Where's the plane? Where's any piece of the plane? To me. Oh, you're talking about.
I'm not talking about the Brazilian plane. I know what you're...

That's the one one where. For some reason, every time a plane crashes, somehow there's somebody on that plane that was like going to cure some type of cancer.

Well, the one in Brazil had 20 doctors going.

Nobody's sound.

I just think they make these stories up to make it like

people like you. Sevaz, the Brazilian plane, there was 20 different people going to a cancer seminar

to talk about cancer research and like provide a cure. The plane fell out of the sky like it was paper.
It just plummeted. That just disappeared.
And no one has seen a body. No one has found a thing.

So who do you think is orchestrating this?

Well, the Brazilian plane, I'm assuming the people who benefit from people being sick with cancer. Malaysian Air, rumor is a UFO abducted it.
Oh my God.

You don't believe that, do you?

Robert.

I don't know. One interesting conspiracy, I think, is how pyramids were made.
That one, I'm genuinely convinced. What conspiracy? I mean, you believe like okay, that one.
So, do you believe in giants?

No,

that in the book of giants like you mean like somebody that's like seven five or something, seven five is not a giant. What are you saying, like 20 feet tall?

It's like a normal human in today's day and age. Giants, they were in the Bible that giants existed.
There's

architecture that's still around

in from hundreds of years ago that were were like 40 foot doors giants existed

uh i've never heard of

in the bible

what if they had something to do with helping with pyramids i've never heard that but

i mean i could see like some type of situation where it's like uh no nothing that i mean

there was definitely uh giants

i definitely believe in giants i mean i don't know like how tall are these people well i didn't measure them but but if you're saying, like, what, like 50 feet tall or something? Maybe.

I don't know if I believe that.

Okay, what about the idea that

pyramids could have been done through alien technology?

So it's etched in Egyptian

carvings, aliens, alien faces.

When they open up some burial things,

they look like alien-like. Okay, so what's your answer for that

i mean to me that just looks like art and people were just bored and just start but you don't think everything that we see had to be someone's reality at some point

it could it could i mean but a lot of it tells stories too and what's the story the stories are left to interpretation right so it's like but an alien is pretty identifiable yeah i know but maybe they just were bad artists and they just couldn't like oh my god rob it just doesn't end But my explanation to how pyramids were made would be like some type of pulley situation where it's like they get elephants, put some big ropes on it.

The precision of a pyramid. Do you want to see the psychology? I know that's the point.
I don't know

how it lines up with perfectly with the stars. Do you guys know the poles that were found in the ground? Oh my gosh, that were, and how weird that no one talks about it again.

What were the poles about? It's like something that's not the pole, the pyramid

poles.

It says Nikola Tesla believed the Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy devices, not tombs, built to harness and transmit power using the Earth's natural electromagnetic fields.

Okay, and then him, how they killed his ass and took all of his trunk of recipes for science stuff.

So they discovered, just this last year, they discovered all of these huge poles that are living underneath the pyramids that they never knew about and no one can understand these are

kilometers underneath the ground how would they know to even do that I mean they were smart clearly if you're building a pyramid do you know what this would take

to do I know but I just all these hidden structures hidden structures beneath the great pyramid of giza no one knew this until this last year

What? How would they have the technology? How do they have the, they didn't have tools to dig that kilometers into the ground? That is crazy.

But I think that they had like thousands of people working at the same time. There's a different time.
Vertically aligned. They're perfectly aligned.
This is like

not

even possible.

So what's your explanation? It's not man-made. Or the giants helped.
You think they just carry rocks on the shoulder? All right. Yes.
Okay. Love you, Rob.

Rob's just listening.

Dare I ask your theory on mermaids? Mermaids?

There's no, let's not start. No.
You believe that they're real? Humans living underwater? Is that what you're trying to say? Sure.

There's no way that you believe that. That's insane.
I didn't. I mean, we would find that.
We would, I mean.

No, we wouldn't. We just, I read last week, ooh,

two new species of sharks have been discovered. Like,

what? Yeah, because they say we only know like what? 80. No, 81% of our waters is unchartered.
Yeah, that's crazy. We don't know.
That's crazy. So why is why? Here's my thing.

I come from a place of anything's possible. You come from a place of nothing's possible.
So

are there aliens? Anything's possible. If we're here, are there mermaids? Anything's possible.
If I'm here,

I just need to see some evidence. Robots do drive you.
There's driverless cars. It's crazy.
It's crazy.

50 years ago, if I told you, no, you're going going to have a car with no driver, but it's going to get you from A to Z, you'd be like, fuck off.

Yeah,

that is insane. I'm not going to lie.
Self-driving cars,

even what cell phones do right now, it's like kind of insane. Like if someone asked me,

if I went to the past and someone was like, if I had to prove I was from the future and someone was like, if I'm like, you know, you can use a...

phone and it will call people and they're going to be like how does it work it doesn't make any sense i don't know how to explain to someone how a cell phone works me neither that's i really don't

so i would sound crazy i think the same thing goes for i don't know how to explain how aliens and mermaids exist but i think they do it's a good perspective that is a good perspective but uh or i think i don't know there's a possibility they can is my point like why be so like no that's that's not possible

The idea of aliens just seems like something just so crazy that I don't know. I would have to see it to believe it.
Okay. So you believe on life on other planets, right? Yeah.

Like, do you think they're building like a, it's like actual life? Well, I don't know. No, I don't know exactly to what degree I believe.
I just believe there's so many solar systems.

There's so many different galaxies that we just, we thought it was what, our nine planets orbiting the sun and that was it.

Then we discovered black hole after black hole and it it takes you into different galaxies, yada, yada. And then there's different solar systems.
Who's to say there's not life on another planet?

I'm just saying, who's to say? I would say this: Do I believe it? No, if it happened to come out that it was true, I would not be just stunned. So I'll say that.
Like, I'll be like, oh, okay.

So we're slowly breaking down the wall. I'll see how you could think like that, but I just don't believe it because I haven't seen it.

It's like, it's like humans flying. Like, if you told me a human's going to fly, I would say, no way.
Now, if it happened, I'll be like, holy smoke, this is insane. I don't think we can fly.

No, but if it eventually happened, let's say

200 pack. I don't know.
But I don't think we're going to adapt to flying. Right.
Yeah, that one is crazy. So far, you don't believe in one thing I believe in.
Do you know who Bigfoot is? Of course.

Oh, I don't know. You don't know head, shoulders, knees, and toes.

What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Fake, obviously. But why? Why can't he be real? I mean, what is this?

It's like a big bear-looking thing. What if? What if you're telling me someone just made up one day? There's this big hairy thing in the middle of the day.
No, that's literally what they did.

And then it just... Do you know what the Loch Ness monster is? Yes.
Do you believe in that? No. I believe in all of that.
Do you believe in unicorns? Obviously. Really?

I mean, I would like to. That's the only one that I don't really think is real, but I, in my head, want to fantasize.
In real life, I don't believe it's real, but I do wish that one was real.

To me, that's what all these are. Barefoot.
Fantasies. Bigfoot, whatever his name is.

It's all made-up stories. No, I think Bigfoot is real.
Yeah.

I do. But don't you think somebody would have caught a picture? I think in this time,

how many people on earth? 8 billion people? You won't think, and there's that many cell phones? You don't think one person would catch one good picture of it? I've seen what you did on your show.

What?

Dressed up as a...

Oh, the bear? Yeah.

But just like, what if there's only three left in the entire world and they're in hiding? And nobody's going to see it. And what if the other animals are like, okay, it's now time.
Oh, my God.

Do you think animals can communicate with each other? Yeah, between each other. Yes.
I mean, a dog and a dog, probably. Yeah.
Oh, I think all animals know how to communicate with each other.

Oh, my God. Like a lion and like a sheep.
Really? They communicate via animal language, whether it be telepathically or, I don't know, energetically. Do you really believe that? Yes.
Wow.

Why are humans the only one?

Dogs, you can teach them commands. I definitely think they understand so much more than what we give them credit for.

I also know it's scientifically proven that plants and trees, when you play them music, they grow more. Like it's all energetically done.
The music is through different hurts. And it's...

energetically what you can receive. But animals lack like logic, right? They can't reason.

Maybe. Like, they don't understand why they like this over that.
But maybe they're like, that's a trap. Let me avoid that.
They're smart. I think it's just taught.
Okay, but maybe.

But they can't really explain to you why this would be. Well, they can't explain anything to us.
Right. But they don't, I don't think they have the ability to reason.

Right? Like, do you think they understand why they make certain decisions? Or do you think it's just, don't do that?

I think a lot of things are innate and they're wild animals. So they do things out of like literally innately.
It's just like how they were born.

But there's been many times that you hear situations where a human either gets lost in the jungle and a pack of wolves literally protects that baby or monkeys. I've seen a story.

Or you've seen a monkey fall in a cage at the zoo and the mommy monkey protects the baby until someone comes and get it. I think innately they're like, okay, I want to protect this being.

I don't know why, even though it's different than me.

Or they can, I read something about the lions in Africa with a baby and it protected

this child. And then all they finally found the kid and it was surrounded by like a circle of lions.
Like some, because they know, like, okay, that's like a little kid.

I'm not saying that's going to happen every time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there are some cases that I do think animals can either sense situation or they

some have more understanding than others. I don't know, but I don't think they're just all

I think they could sense a situation like brain dead and nothing's happening. Like I know dogs can like if you're sick, a dog will like

console you like a little bit, like just be beside you the whole time. Like I remember my dad was like, something was wrong with his foot and the dog would just stay by that foot the whole time.

He would like lick the foot. It's energetically, they sense things.
They're so much smarter.

I'm not saying they sit there and have full-blown conversations with one another, but they definitely have something.

You think they could like communicate something to each other? Yes, for a fact.

I mean, like, I'm,

I'm the leader of the pact. We're all going to respect it.
Like, they're so fucking smart. No, they're.
Animals are super smart, but I don't think they could reason.

Like, I don't think, like, for example, like if a dog walked up to a fire, it would obviously get burnt and it would learn that to walk near a fire, you're going to get burnt.

Whereas a human, we know we're going to get burned, but we could still walk in the fire. I don't think a dog can reason like that.

Does that make sense? Like, if I see a fire, a human knows not to go near the fire, but we can make the decision to actually go in the fire if we wanted to.

Obviously, we wouldn't, but if we think of wolf can do the same thing,

it goes up to it, it senses that it's really hot.

I'm not gonna go in it, but if it needed to jump through a ring of fire, I don't know if it would, I don't know if it would, maybe, but I don't think it would. Have you seen dancing with wolves?

No, it's a movie, it's an old movie.

So have you like ever seen a ghost or felt? I don't believe in ghosts.

I believe in like spirits. What? I don't believe in ghosts.
What's the difference?

I don't think, I think a ghost is something that people created. That's like you see something moving.

Okay.

So what's a spirit? A spirit is a feeling. Like you could feel somebody's spirit.
Okay. Have you had an inner counter with a spirit?

Not in my lifetime, though like i haven't really had knock on wood like too many people like pass away in my life right that's good right at least people that i'm like super close with that's great but you

so when i tell you all the stories that i have with ghosts and spirits you just think i'm a lunatic yeah remember when we were working out you thought that oh yeah the weight moved the weight moved and it did there's no way it did it was probably one of us that did it was something we weren't even thinking about it

but i yeah you believe in ghosts one zillion percent didn't you say there was a ghost in your like a child or something yeah at the rental house she rubbed my hair there's no way she did it was the scariest thing i never slept with the light off ever since what so what happened in that situation i was sleeping it was at that rental house that i still had in the oaks and there was like a hallway that like from True's room to my room.

It was a little narrow hallway. It was out out of wood.
So I could hear footsteps and you could hear the difference between a child's footsteps and an adult footsteps.

And, but True was still in a crib and she's never got out of her crib. So I heard someone walking down and I was like, True.
And then I looked at the monitor and she was still asleep.

So I was like, that's weird. So I just laid back down.

And it was like the middle of the night. And I shut my eyes and then I felt something do this and rub

her fingers from the top. And I could feel it was a small hand and rubbed my head.
And I remember closing my eyes going, please don't be there. Please don't be there.
Please don't be there.

I opened my eyes. Nothing was there.
I was so freaked out. And then I remember being like, hello, and looking around.
It was Alexa. How many things happened with the little girl at that house?

I know a lot. A lot.
They were there.

The jacuzzi was completely drained with a Barbie doll at the very bottom of the jacuzzi, like murder.

It was probably like somebody that threw it in there, just wasn't even thinking. Where'd the water go?

No, and true bathing suit went missing. Yes.
She wasn't missing. There's no way you guys believe this.
Do you believe this? Even at this house, how many encounters have happened at this house?

Terrell as a witness. Really? And that's a different person in a different home.
So I'm going to show you how our mind plays tricks on us. Like, I had a similar story where, like,

when I would go to sleep, this is maybe like as early as like a year and a half ago. I would go to sleep at night.
I would hear walking like on the roof. That's because someone's on the roof.

No, so look, I'm thinking, okay, what the hell is up there? There's a raccoon or something up there. I didn't know what the hell.
I wasn't thinking ghost. The pest control guy came.

I said, there's definitely something up there. You got to look.

It's not something the pest control can get. No, but hear me out.
So he goes up there. He's like, there's nothing here.
I blocked out everything.

I don't see any signs of like raccoons or like rats or anything. Like, okay, what the hell? So I go back to sleep.
Maybe like a week later, again, the walking happens. I'm like, what the hell?

So I go on the camera. And this is maybe like at 6 a.m.
You have a camera on the roof? No, no. I go on the cameras just to see, is there like somebody like on the roof or something?

I'm just trying to see. And you know what I see? A reflection, a shadow of a fucking bird,

a huge bird that was like just walking on the roof. And it would just, for somebody,

it was like a black hawk that would be awesome. Its footsteps made you think there was a human up there.
I'm saying that

they were so heavy. I couldn't believe that that is the sound that I would hear.

But that's how crazy our brains. i would have thought it was a like if i didn't do that i'm thinking it's a ghost up there okay so that's your encounter mine have been

have you ever felt a human sit on the edge of your bed while your eyes are shut you feel when the mattress caves in a little and then you wake up you open your eyes and nothing's there like it's that's trippy but have you had that no what

I think also if you're open to receiving, it will happen. Like that too.

And I think you're so against receiving any of this stuff that like you're not going to get any sign you get, you're going to rationalize it. For sure.
Right.

Like if I don't believe in ghosts, a ghost can't like haunt me. Or like

nothing can haunt me because I don't give it power to haunt me. Right.
But I won't even.

Right. It's not even a belief.
My house, there's definite shit.

Like the other night, literally last week. True was asleep in my bed and I was like, I still wanted to watch TV and my TV was off.
And if I turned it back on, it would have been too bright.

So I sat in my little sitting area and I was watching TV on my phone. And I was just sitting in there.
And it's like my little desk, a gust of wind went by my head. And I remember going, no, no, no.

I said literally, no, no, no, I can't do this right now. And then I slowly looked around just to be like, what?

It was, you know, when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind, it was that feeling. So I was like,

and I slowly looked around and then I go, true.

And then no one was there. I opened opened my door.
She's still asleep. And I was like, fuck.
Then I went back.

I said a prayer and then I watched my show again. It happened again.
And I remember going, okay, I'm going to go to bed now. And I just went and I was like, oh, what is in here?

It was so distinct of something walking by me, the gust of wind. There's no explanation.
Were you high? No. I wasn't high.
Do you mean the AC just turned on or? No, because I even looked.

I looked around and I was like, where's the vents?

The vents aren't there and it's not like a surge of wind right it was so eerie and i normally i'll feel something but i'm like oh it's a good feeling this was like i don't know if i would just it wasn't negative but it wasn't a great feeling yeah yeah that's i just didn't like it so i literally said a prayer and i was like okay i'm going to bed you have fun out here and i think it's because you believe in this stuff that this happens or i believe in anything I know that's the problem.

See, I don't believe in this stuff. So if I feel a gust of wind, I'll just be like, oh, the AC turned on.
I'm going going back at one in the morning when the house is crickets.

You wouldn't find that to be suspicious. It's definitely happened to me, something like that in my lifetime, but I feel like it's just like, I don't know, it's in your head or something.

You might be in a dream. No, I was awake.
I was watching. I don't know.
It's

real housewives on my phone. I was like very awake.
Well, Sevaz, I can do this for hours and hours with you. Number one, I am so honored that I am your first podcast.
Stop it. I'm honored.

i am for like the rest of your life you're going to remember me you will

and this was fun i have so many more to we got to do this again do with you but

i think we need to get into more depth i need to like have videos that will explain it more to you because i'm not good at explaining these things because i'm in such rabbit holes with them Watch the common section just destroy us like, oh, they don't know what they're talking about.

Oh, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about

at all, but this is the fun, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's just about bantering, and I also think today people get so afraid to talk, but like, that's the point.

You just loosely have fucking conversation and you learn about things, or you don't. I agree, it's not that deep.

I agree, it's not that serious, it's not that serious, but thank you for being on Chloe in Wonderland. That was an honor.
This is amazing,

and it's a beautiful room. Thank you.