Khloé & Kris Jenner: A Krismas Special

Speaker 1 Mom, when I think of Christmas, I think of you.

Speaker 1 Christmas is our World Cup. How far in advance do you start buying gifts?

Speaker 2 June or July. I could make a meme bow.

Speaker 1 We have a Christmas Eve party. Has anyone ever hooked up at one of these parties?

Speaker 2 Excuse me?

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Have you? My mom would always make me help her. You made me go in the attic and wrap all these gifts.
You locked me up there.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Thank you for doing that.
You're welcome. My mother gets gets really desperate around the holidays.
I need to sit here at the bar and have a martini.

Speaker 1 That's the story?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That the bartender got you a drink.

Speaker 2 Now there's a couple hundred, two, three hundred people at a Christmas party.

Speaker 1 Well, you also invite the most random people. Oh, the nurse that gave me an IV 12 years ago.
I remember her. Wanda.

Speaker 2 I feel like I have a relationship with my ornaments. Hi, you little cutie.
Oh, man. Okay, are you done with me now?

Speaker 1 When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do?

Speaker 2 At Christmas time?

Speaker 1 No, remember I was asking you evergreen questions and you keep going back to Christmas.

Speaker 2 No, I don't remember. I'm old.

Speaker 1 Oh, just work with me. Well, the face is young.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 Mom, welcome back to Chloe in Wonderland.

Speaker 2 I am so excited to be back. I look forward to this all week.
Oh, just all week? Yeah. Well, you know, for months, but specifically this week.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm so excited because number one, you are one of the best guests I had on.

Speaker 2 Really? Yes.

Speaker 1 Everyone loves you. Oh, my God.
But you know that. You are the fucking Chris Jenner.
Well,

Speaker 2 I think that the fact that we both bought every inch of plaid in Los Angeles for this interview makes us very special today.

Speaker 1 Well, we're wearing plaid because we're doing the holiday edition of Chloe in Wonderland because you are Mrs. Claus.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 And this is your job

Speaker 1 that you let me borrow. It's all a wrong.
It is because I don't really own plaid, but you know where to get it when you need it. Right.
Right. You want it to do.

Speaker 1 Festive. That's right.
Really, really hard-hitting question. Okay.

Speaker 2 Who's my favorite?

Speaker 1 No. Okay, good.
Are you on the naughty or nice list?

Speaker 2 The naughty or the nice list? Well, if somebody's not a little bit naughty, they're pretty boring.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 So I like a little mix. Some days I'm naughty.

Speaker 1 Talk to me. Some days I'm nice.

Speaker 2 Okay. So it depends on when you catch me, but usually, you know, after five o'clock, I can be a little naughty.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck you. You don't even know what that means.
I don't either, but it sounds good. So I feel like when I think of Christmas,

Speaker 1 I think of you. Like you are Christmas.
You are the holidays, any holiday. I've always said since I've been younger, literally it could like

Speaker 1 President's Day. And every morning that was a significant thing.
You were like, happy President's Day. And like there would be a napkin and something cute in our lunchbox.

Speaker 1 And that's something that I definitely copy and paste from you.

Speaker 2 You do.

Speaker 1 And I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I love that you do that because it means that I, everything that I did, you appreciated even at your young age, you didn't think, you know, you didn't think about it, but that it would be a memory for you makes me so happy.

Speaker 1 I remember all of our Christmas Eve parties, but not necessarily one over the other. It's just the tradition and the consistency of them that's so safe and nostalgic and comforting.

Speaker 1 And I think it's so important that you've created those safe spaces for us, even if they're just a holiday.

Speaker 1 Something like Valentine's Day, we would lean all the way in and now we do like the heart-shaped cookies, or it can be so silly, but what that does for those core memories at home, how that makes you feel and the safety of it, I love it.

Speaker 1 And of course I want to emulate that and mirror that. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 You want me to tell you a really crazy story? Obviously. So once when I was a little girl and I was going home on a Saturday, I had a play date with my friend and the next day was Easter.

Speaker 2 And I remember driving up this really,

Speaker 2 we were living in San Diego, driving up a really steep hill next to a school.

Speaker 2 Like it was yesterday. The dad was driving us home.
And in those days, you know, there weren't a bunch of naughty people around or nasty adults.

Speaker 2 And it was so cute because the dad, the little girl said,

Speaker 2 can Chris come over and spend the night? He goes, sure.

Speaker 1 And so we went home to her house.

Speaker 2 We found her mom. She made us dinner and we took baths together.
We put on our pajamas and we watched a movie or something.

Speaker 2 And this dad, because the next day was Easter, he went out and duplicated whatever he was giving, they were giving to their family.

Speaker 2 And they had these eggs with everyone's name on them and chocolate, like I then copied 30 years later and did for my family. But something like that made such an impression on me.

Speaker 2 I will never forget it. I wish I could think of her name.
I wish I could think of his name.

Speaker 2 It didn't even matter because it was the gesture, the moment, the memory, what it meant to me to be at somebody else's house on a holiday. And I was so, I've never been away on a holiday.

Speaker 1 How old were you, do you think?

Speaker 2 Probably nine or ten. Wow.
So that kind of thing always made me want to do things. If I ever had kids, I was going to have six kids and we were going to have Christmas and Santa was going to come.

Speaker 2 We were all going to sit around by the fireplace and drink hot chocolate and have mugs and stockings with our names on them. It was just going to be magic.

Speaker 2 And so the very first Christmas I got to do by myself because my mom and my grandmother always did that for all of us.

Speaker 2 And then then the very first Christmas I was married in 1978, I did it for your dad and I. It was just the two of us.

Speaker 2 And then the next Christmas, three of us, and it just kept growing because basically for a whole decade, you know, I was pregnant.

Speaker 2 So it was just adding the stockings with the names, adding more toys under the Christmas tree. And

Speaker 2 it made every Christmas that much more. just joyful and exciting.

Speaker 1 All of those things that you have done for us, we all try to do for our kids and even for each other like it's we get such great joy out of it and the kids obviously do too but they don't realize just how special it is until you get older and then you try to recreate it and i think it's so wonderful what you've instilled in us and i know we just celebrated our annual Halloween pumpkin party, which I'm so happy that you do that.

Speaker 2 It makes me so happy when you sent that little invite. It took me back.
What do you remember about our Halloweens when you were little?

Speaker 1 I don't. You don't know anything about Halloween.
Stop it. But Halloween is the least important holiday to me.
So I don't know. Don't you remember the party when

Speaker 2 the fire department showed up and they brought their dalmatian and I had you guys all dressed like dalmatians. No, that's so cute.

Speaker 1 Why was the fire department there?

Speaker 2 Because it was cute. I said, can you come and bring your dalmatian dog and bring out the ladder?

Speaker 1 They just came.

Speaker 2 And on Halloween, and we had a whole, what was it called?

Speaker 2 101 dalmatian party and i thought that would just be a cute extra little thing to do and then we had the um the coffee carts and the i mean we and the petting zoo and you don't remember all those halloweens don't you remember at tower lane when i put the hay in the garage

Speaker 2 took everything out of the garage and put hay on the floor i thought that was really cool i think and then did the little tables for all the kids no that's actually so cute big plastic pumpkins i mean listen i i did really well with what we had to deal with.

Speaker 2 It wasn't like now where all these, like, this was in the 70s or 80s, early 80s. And we would do these little parties.

Speaker 2 One time I had a Ghostbuster party and we Ghostbuster music blasting through the house and we had Ghostbuster t-shirts made. And everybody thought that was so cool.

Speaker 2 And your dad was wearing a Ghostbuster t-shirt.

Speaker 1 I love that. You don't remember all that? I'm saying, first of all, I was born in 84.

Speaker 2 Did you knock yourself upside your little head? Yes. What is happening?

Speaker 1 Point is. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm so appreciative of all of the holiday traditions that you've instilled for all of us though we all love it even rob who's a guy who you would think like probably doesn't care the way he creates his home love for dream and christmas though christmas is our

Speaker 1 our thing our world cup our world cup and we start the day after halloween my christmas music will go on november 1st november 1st i cannot stand

Speaker 1 halloween of it all really

Speaker 2 Your son is obsessed with

Speaker 1 me. And

Speaker 1 with Halloween people, but Halloween, yes. And it's so creepy.

Speaker 1 Him with those faceless dolls. I'm like, mom, you're killing me.
What holiday tradition are you most proud of that you've given to us?

Speaker 2 I'm so happy that you guys have embraced the Christmas Eve party. That's what I was thinking.
Because the Christmas Eve party gets us all so excited and happy.

Speaker 2 And then the next morning is so fabulous and gigantic and magical that we get so excited because we know the next morning we're all going to be together.

Speaker 1 So for people that don't know,

Speaker 1 every year we have a traditional Christmas Eve party that we've done since before I've been born. My mom's been hosting them since the 70s.
And my mom has always hosted them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then once her kids got older, she sort of handed the baton off when you felt comfortable that we would

Speaker 1 represent you properly.

Speaker 1 And we've all done a good job. It used to rotate siblings' homes on who was going to host it.

Speaker 2 For a minute, because it's a really big undertaking. And I think that it really takes a lot of energy, time, resources, money, creativity, just all of it.

Speaker 2 And then it's, we used to do, before there was all of these social media platforms and much easier to do digital photos.

Speaker 2 We'd have a whole photo shoot with the whole family and we'd wear our Christmas outfits and do these beautiful photo shoots and they would get bigger and bigger and bigger, you know, the more kids everybody had.

Speaker 2 And those made me so happy. Once they

Speaker 2 were Christmas card photos, but it made me so anxious. I would get so stressed out when you guys were little.

Speaker 1 I was like, you know, all the Christmas cards.

Speaker 2 Not anymore. Because it's I know, but that was like that.
I did that for 20 something years because I did it when you guys were babies, but it was so stressful. It was her bows crooked.

Speaker 2 Her joy, you know, it was like trying to get four little kids. It was like herding cats, like you guys were all over the place and you were all little.

Speaker 2 So it was really fun to do that, but then also to have the Christmas Eve party to look forward to. We knew Santa was coming.

Speaker 2 And we have the same group of people that are, that I love so much that are, that, you know, tell you kids that they're Silly and Willie, the two elves

Speaker 2 that are at every party since you were born.

Speaker 2 They were there last year too.

Speaker 1 No, I wasn't there. They're the two

Speaker 1 men who help the kids play our crafts. You call them silly and willie elves.
Well, those are their names. They're elves.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Anyway. Santa's elves.
And so anyway, these parties are so epic and they've grown into this, you know, enormous proportion and everybody looks forward to it every year.

Speaker 2 Our friends who don't, you know, never celebrated Christmas love to come. And it's so much fun.
And we always dance at the end of the party.

Speaker 2 We always have a DJ, usually a performance, which is so exciting. Last time I think we had a party, it was Babyface and did all of his beautiful Christmas music.

Speaker 2 And then we had a DJ and we just have the best time. And then we get up the next morning.
And we used to get up at 6 a.m. and make sure everybody was there at 6.
Nobody's late. And now

Speaker 2 you guys, instead of coming to mom's house and opening, you know, all the stuff from Santa, you guys have now decided to have a little bit of that Christmas Santa morning at your own homes, which I think is a really good idea.

Speaker 2 Yes. It really establishes your own tradition.
And then we all come to my house a little bit later.

Speaker 1 And we have breakfast and coffee and all the kids hang out. And that's our meeting place Christmas Day.
Right.

Speaker 2 And then. And more presents.

Speaker 2 So the kids get another round, which is really fun for me. Yes.
Because it makes me feel like, you know, people my age, they're always complaining about, oh, they've left the nest.

Speaker 2 I have an empty nest. I'm so sad.
Nobody comes to me. Nobody calls me.
Nobody, you know, for me, I have to put my phone on silence to get a little

Speaker 1 next door to each other. I know.

Speaker 2 But it's so fun to still.

Speaker 2 have the memories and the excitement of preparing it all.

Speaker 2 I think the tradition isn't just that we do it and it's done and look how beautiful it is, but it's the emotional connection that I have to Christmas that I love the process of like all the little things I do, like when I make my, you know, pate for my mom or when I can make the brownies or the cheesecake.

Speaker 2 And I know that's going to be right before Christmas Eve. So whoever's having Christmas Eve at their house, you know, is going to get a delivery of my special desserts.

Speaker 1 You tried to not give me one last year. I know, but I did.

Speaker 1 But I did. Really rude.
I did. Can you describe Christmas for me from your childhood?

Speaker 2 You know, Christmas was as exciting for me as a little girl. And my mom would always go to my aunt's house for Christmas Eve.
And I would go to my grandmother's house.

Speaker 2 Her name was Avalon.

Speaker 1 Avalon and Jimmy. And you're making all this up.
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 See what you learned. You're a dirty name Avalon? Yes.
Because

Speaker 1 when?

Speaker 1 Whose sister?

Speaker 2 Papa Harry, his brother Jimmy, Uncle Jimmy, his wife. So she would have this really grown-up, fabulous cocktail party on Christmas Eve.
But that's where all the cool people were. Obviously.
Right.

Speaker 2 So you'd go in and you're dressed up. I have the greatest photo of me and my sister and my mom in our black velvet dresses with...
big white collars and black lace tights and little Mary Jane's.

Speaker 2 I can tell you what I wore every year. Wow.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 But anyway, we would go to my grandmother, Mary Lee, and Truze, my grandparents on my dad's side. and we would go at like five o'clock for Christmas Eve.

Speaker 2 And that's where I have the tradition of honey baked ham and all the fixings. And then she would do the onion dip and the chips and the, you know, all the things we still do.
I got from Mary Lee.

Speaker 2 So we go there, celebrate with

Speaker 2 Auntie Linda and Uncle Gaston and all my cousins. I know.
It's wild.

Speaker 1 So your grandma's name is Mary Lou. Mary Lou.
She had a sister named Mary Lee.

Speaker 2 My grandmother's name is Lou.

Speaker 1 Okay, Lou. Lou Ethel.
Of course it is. Okay.
Yeah. Fairy grandma.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 And my other grandmother was Mary Lee. Yeah, Mary Lee and True.
And that's why you named your daughter True after Grandpa True.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 That's right. So we would go to their house for Christmas Eve.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And you came there. When you were a little girl.
Don't remember. Yeah, you did.
Is that why, where you get your love of Christmas from, do you think? Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 I just, I think, I think it's a combination of obviously the traditions of how I was raised and my love of the holiday. I, you know, was very aware that we were celebrating the birth of Jesus.

Speaker 2 So it made me so happy to hear the Christmas story and how Jesus was born in a manger. And that just like kind of was bigger than life in my head.

Speaker 2 I was just, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to the earth. You know, I was just so in awe of the story and what it meant.

Speaker 2 And so I was always, always had that as like the focal point in my heart. And I can't explain it, actually.
It was so overwhelming to me as I would be driving to my grandma.

Speaker 1 Is she an MJ Christian?

Speaker 2 Yes, she is. She's also, I think she was, she's,

Speaker 2 she could be Catholic. I don't know.
We'll have to ask her. I can never get a straight answer.
Okay. Okay.
stay tuned.

Speaker 1 Life moves fast, but at the table, I really try to slow down. You guys know food is such a big love language in my family.
It's not just about eating.

Speaker 1 It's about sitting together, talking, laughing, and actually being present. And honestly, that's why I love pasta nights.
They're always my favorite.

Speaker 1 Lately, I've been obsessed with Barilla al Bronzo pasta. And yes, that's Barilla al Bronzo.
It's made in Italy and created with sauce lovers in mind.

Speaker 1 The texture is so good and it clings to every single drop of flavor, which is everything for me.

Speaker 1 So there's this Italian concept called scarpetta, which basically means soaking up every last bit of sauce. And that speaks straight to my soul.

Speaker 1 Because if I made the effort to cook and we're all sitting together at the table, you better believe we're savoring every single bite. To me, that's not just food, that's connection.

Speaker 1 My go-to right now is actually my mom's bolognese. You guys know Chris has been making this sauce forever.
And when you pair it with Barilla Albronzo pasta, oh, it is unreal.

Speaker 1 The pasta holds onto the sauce so perfectly. Every bite just hits.
And that's the beauty of it. Whether you're in the mood for something rich and cozy or something lighter and veggie forward,

Speaker 1 it just works. So next time you're cooking, don't rush it.
Make it a moment. Sit, talk, laugh.
Soak up the sauce. Soak up the time together.

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Speaker 1 What is, would you say, as a kid, what's the most memorable gift you got? It doesn't even have to be big, but is there something sentimental?

Speaker 2 Or if it is like as a child. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, okay.

Speaker 2 So my mom was as extravagant and fabulous in her day, you know, as I think that we all are in ours. And her, one of her love languages is gift giving.

Speaker 2 And she would do everything she could to make sure, her and my grandmother, to make sure that we had exactly what was on our Christmas list.

Speaker 2 So whether it was a bicycle or a sewing machine or, you know, these fabulous things we would get. I remember one year I got a little pink TV for my room.

Speaker 2 And I mean, they would, we would be so, they were so generous. And so it was so exciting, you know, and Santa was really good to us.

Speaker 2 But the one thing that we would do is my mom would leave like during Christmas vacation. She would leave for work every morning like at nine o'clock because she had to open the store at 10

Speaker 2 and my sister and i would go under the tree and open every single gift what i know we'd open all the gifts that's horrible i know it's terrible oh and one put them back we would i would i am the best gift unwrapper that that like undercover like you would never know the gift was open that's i got really good at it that's horrible and i learned how to gift wrap so well when I was 12 years old at my grandmother's store or 10 years old that I was really good at putting the gifts back together because I could make a mean bow.

Speaker 2 So anyway, we would unwrap. And so one of the gifts that I got that I'll never forget, it was big back in those days to have themed sheets.
You know, like for the bed. And I had a twin bed.

Speaker 2 And my mom knew I wanted these sheets so bad. And I don't remember what they were.
They were probably like the Flintstones or I don't know. But I wanted these sheets so bad.

Speaker 2 I don't know why I wanted sheets, but that's what I wanted for Christmas. And she got them for me.
And I remember unwrapping the gift.

Speaker 1 And there they were.

Speaker 2 And I thought, what if I just put them on my bed? Would she notice? But I thought, no, no, no, I'll put them back. Oh, like you, I wasn't that crazy.

Speaker 1 You cheated and saw before you were supposed to.

Speaker 2 No, I opened all the gifts and then wrapped them back up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's and put them back under the tree.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 So when

Speaker 2 on Christmas morning, I had to act

Speaker 1 surprised. Why would you do that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just, I don't know. I was naughty.

Speaker 1 Speaking about rapping, there was

Speaker 1 a year my mom would always make me help her with things, which is fine.

Speaker 1 And my mom, because Kendall and Kylie were little, you made me go in the attic and wrap all these gifts and you locked me up there and you shut the ladder. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 No, you don't even hear the end of the story.

Speaker 1 And you said,

Speaker 1 no, no you said

Speaker 1 you are not allowed to come down until they're all wrapped you would not lower the thing because i couldn't open it from the inside oh my gosh and i literally was in that attic wrapping gifts like a little elf and then i literally i think i knocked three times and that was the sign that i was done and you then lowered the ladder oh my god thank you for doing that you're welcome I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 True stuff.

Speaker 2 Mother gets really desperate around the holidays.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait until it's Easter and I have to tell the Easter egg story, how you made me

Speaker 1 stuff all those. People are always very fascinated with Christmas Eve and I get so many questions like, how do we pick whose house is it's going to be at? How do we pick the theme? Who pays for it?

Speaker 1 Yada, yada. All those things.
You don't have to go into like crazy detail, but how does the location of the party get chosen?

Speaker 2 Well, the party was always at my house. So literally the first one was 1978 and there was very few people and family, you know, very small family.
And then it just grew and grew and grew.

Speaker 1 And then you also invite the most random people. You won't see these people.
And then it's like, oh, the nurse that gave me an IV 12 years ago. I remember her.
Wanda. Let's get Wanda an invite.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, oh, the CVS pharmacy person. And we're like, mom, we need to filter the list.
Okay, I get it.

Speaker 2 I've been scolded scolded many times over that. But we get the party together and I was always the one giving the party.
So I was just, you know, so happy and, and things went along swimmingly.

Speaker 2 But then when you guys got older and you grew up and you guys all had your own friends and all of a sudden there was a hundred more people, now there's a couple hundred, two, three hundred people at a Christmas party.

Speaker 1 I thought, okay.

Speaker 2 This has got to start rotating. I thought it was so much more fun.
And then every time one of you took the reins and did it yourself.

Speaker 1 I won't take the reins. I don't want the reins.
I don't want that many people in my house.

Speaker 1 And this year, I was very proud of you for saving me because they were like, Kim's house is under construction. So is Courtney's house.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going on with the Kylie's, why that wasn't an option. I don't even know what happened.
And then you were like, let's put it at Kendall's.

Speaker 1 So happy because everyone was like, Chloe's house. Do you think I want people in in my home? No.
No. No.
I don't want the party.

Speaker 2 You'd have to spray everybody down with a sanitizing machine.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I know.

Speaker 2 It would be horrible.

Speaker 1 Horrible.

Speaker 2 So, but anyway, yeah. So the minute that you guys all had your own homes and wanted to do that, one of the most beautiful times was when Courtney did it at her house with all the red trees and roses.

Speaker 1 That was beautiful.

Speaker 2 That was so stunning. So for me.

Speaker 1 And my dress was gorgeous. Yes, it was.

Speaker 2 But it's so exciting to see how you guys interpret your own Christmas Eve and how we can all enjoy each other every year.

Speaker 1 We will include each other on the theme. We love a Pinterest board.
We all have.

Speaker 2 Love a good meeting.

Speaker 1 Love a meeting. We all have the freedom to join the Mindy Weiss meetings.
Not everyone shows up and that's fine. But if you don't show up, you don't get a say-so.
Right.

Speaker 1 Then you can't come to the third meeting and be like, oh, I don't like that. Nope.
We've already had two meetings before. We've decided on X, Y, and Z.
Right.

Speaker 1 And we all equally split the cost of the party. Yeah.
Yeah. Because it gets

Speaker 2 really crazy. And it's, well, that's fun.
I think one of the most fun things, too, is to be able to share things with our friends.

Speaker 2 And so we've always been able to do some really amazing gifts for everybody at the end of the party.

Speaker 2 And if we're working on something or like we had Kim's beats and skims, and we could do popcorn this year and 818. And I mean, it's just been really fun.

Speaker 1 I love the party favor. I love a shameless.
I love a good party favor. You love a plug.
That's what I love. Cloud forever.
Do you know what you're going to wear this year?

Speaker 1 Are we doing Christmas Eve this year? What is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 Of course we are.

Speaker 1 It's just a lot.

Speaker 2 Well, it'll be small. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. But we're going to do it.

Speaker 2 And yes, I have something to wear. Of course I do.

Speaker 1 Already. You're sick.
I knew you would. Yes.

Speaker 2 I actually have that and my Thanksgiving dress all ready to go.

Speaker 1 Haven't thought about either. Well, I actually have two Inspos for Christmas.
I do. You do? I screenshot.
I would have to make them, but I screenshot.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm all done. It's all ready to go.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 hanging there i'm so excited i know you take such pride in your ornaments love my christopher radco yes do you like repeating your holiday decorations year after year or do you like to do a different theme every year well i am kind of steeped in tradition like i feel like i have a relationship with my ornaments i really do i bring them out and i was like honey you little cutie it's like there you are again i get so excited.

Speaker 2 So my whole life, all through the 80s, I was collecting these Christmas ornaments called Christopher Radco.

Speaker 2 And if, I mean, I would get one. Like, that was a big deal.
Like, if I got a new Christopher Radco ornament.

Speaker 1 He made a Chris Jenner ornament. I know.

Speaker 2 This is like my dream come true. Wow.

Speaker 2 That 30, 40 years later, this angel of a man who now has a company called Heartfully Yours because he sold his business with his name on it, but now started over again.

Speaker 2 He made Chris Jenner ornaments. I have

Speaker 2 Chris Jenner ornaments designed and made by Christopher Radco himself. And

Speaker 2 okay, so I went to a friend's house. You have to listen to this story.
I'm right here. So I went to a friend's house once.
And she had also a love of Christopher Radco.

Speaker 2 And I saw the most glorious thing I had ever seen, which was a garland over her mantle that was about this thick and wide and just sweeping and dripping and draping and puddling.

Speaker 2 And it was just, ah, and it was so good. And it was the whole thing was decked out in solid Christopher Radco ornaments.
Fuck yes. And I was like,

Speaker 2 I couldn't even believe my eyes.

Speaker 2 And then had a wreath very similar that was just, you couldn't even see the greenery because because there were so many gorgeous ornaments and these ornaments are like they're just so heavenly they're beautiful they're intricate they're hand-painted they're it's just they're gorgeous riveting

Speaker 2 so all these years later i go down to rogers garden yes a couple years ago and i walk in and they had a christopher radco room And I was like, what?

Speaker 2 And I said, have you ever thought about making anybody? Like, if I asked you to custom make me and create a Christopher Radco or and Heartfully Yours big wreath, could you do that?

Speaker 2 And the guy goes, You know what? Years ago, we made somebody a garland and a wreath, and they lived blah, blah, blah, and their name was blah, blah, blah. And I went, you've got to be kidding.

Speaker 2 I couldn't believe that it clear.

Speaker 2 And when you're a Christmas lover like me, that was like one of the greatest days. Yes.

Speaker 1 Get it? K-R-I-S.

Speaker 1 Christmas.

Speaker 2 So I had them make me a wreath. And then the relationship grew.
And before I knew it, Jeff Latham, our florist, introduced me to Christopher Radco. And we called him up.

Speaker 2 And he goes, I'd love to do a tree for you. So now this relationship has blossomed.
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Speaker 1 I mean, this is the longest story.

Speaker 2 I have these fabulous.

Speaker 1 I don't know if anyone cares.

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Speaker 1 I love that for you. Can we talk about Blowies?

Speaker 2 Excuse me.

Speaker 1 Can we talk about Blowies?

Speaker 2 Is this X-rated show?

Speaker 1 We could talk about anything. Oh, okay.
Has anyone ever hooked up at one of these parties? I don't know. Why wouldn't you know? Hooked up?

Speaker 2 Had someone?

Speaker 1 Given a blowy? I don't know, under the table.

Speaker 2 You know?

Speaker 1 Chloe.

Speaker 1 Have they?

Speaker 2 Have you?

Speaker 2 I haven't.

Speaker 1 I don't. I know nothing.

Speaker 1 I'm really trying to think because

Speaker 1 I'm always, my goal on Christmas Eve is to be incoherently drunk. I know.
And it normally happens. Oh, you'ren't happened the last few years.
Batting.

Speaker 1 Congratulations. Well, it hasn't happened the last few years, which sucks for me.
Anyways, I've had great wild times. But what happened to the one where

Speaker 1 one of your

Speaker 1 people people ended up having sex with the waiter that Cece walked in on?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 2 This turned in, this went from Christmas Eve to.

Speaker 1 You're trying to tell me you've never like snuck away with one of your husbands or someone you've dated at these parties.

Speaker 2 In the middle of a Christmas Eve party with Santa there?

Speaker 1 No. Okay, just checking.
No.

Speaker 2 Is that what you do at parties, you kids, these days?

Speaker 1 Not me these days. I don't know what to do it with, but I would.

Speaker 2 Like, it's... No wonder the bathrooms are so beautiful that we get at the parties.
Oh, my God. Mindy puts together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why. Is that your hair?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Is this your hair?

Speaker 1 Some of it. My hair is short.

Speaker 2 Oh, it looks really good.

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Speaker 1 Do you have a different tradition with each of your kids for Christmas? Like, do you something special with each kid?

Speaker 1 Because I know you do special things with me, but I'm probably the only one that cares.

Speaker 2 Oh, everybody gets so busy.

Speaker 1 We like to cook. Yes.
We like cheesecakes and stuff. I have that with you.

Speaker 2 I remember the good old days when we used to go shopping or go to Toys R Us.

Speaker 1 Well, those stores don't exist anymore. I know.
That's what I mean. It's so sad.
Where do you go and buy toys these days? That's always my biggest thing. Target, Walmart.
Yep. And they're great.

Speaker 1 They are. Yeah.
Costco. Costco's great.
We have to do another Costco run.

Speaker 2 Oh, we have to.

Speaker 1 They have the best shit. Oof, you're good at this.
How far in advance do you start buying people gifts?

Speaker 2 Oh, June or July.

Speaker 1 Yes. And I know you do.
Are you done?

Speaker 2 Almost.

Speaker 1 It's sick. Kim's the same way, though.
Kim is like, done, done, done. And she can do it like two years in advance, which is crazy.
How did you feel? Did you respect this fight?

Speaker 1 Were you like, you guys are fucking nuts when Kim and Courtney went to war over exterior Christmas lights? Like war.

Speaker 2 Nuts.

Speaker 1 Nuts. And you weren't like, oh, that's my girls.
They care that much about Christmas.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. We don't need to be arguing about Christmas lights.
There's enough Christmas lights to go around for everybody.

Speaker 2 No matter who's going to drive from one neighborhood to the other and go, they have the same lights.

Speaker 1 Well, I get that. No.

Speaker 2 So that was a bit too

Speaker 1 much.

Speaker 2 I have the white light.

Speaker 1 You can't have that. You need to have the yellow hue.
Like whenever they get very territorial. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm like, no.

Speaker 1 I'm just like sitting over there going, who's going to, what is happening? Oh, I know. And my mom and I have a tradition.
We like for Christmas, we go to two stores every year.

Speaker 1 One is called and Rogers Garden. Oh, Rogers Garden.
That's one, but it's far, but we do go there. And then the other one is called Aldix.

Speaker 1 Oh, all dicks for blowjobs.

Speaker 1 No, but it really is called Aldix.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's not all dicks. It's just Aldix.

Speaker 1 Aldix. Yeah.
Aldix. How are you saying it differently than me?

Speaker 2 All you pause.

Speaker 1 You go, all dicks. No, all dicks.
And it's just all dicks. All dicks.

Speaker 1 all dicks all dicks all dicks both of them are great christmas stores i know and i wish i knew of others but those two are you could get anything you want there i love those two oh they're it's so much fun it really is but who names their store all dicks seriously dick did

Speaker 1 dick

Speaker 2 don't you think it's ridiculous the gift giving that we do though no we are really nuts we are out of our minds if anybody saw what goes on at my house on christmas morning no it's crazy they would lose their minds because you know what we all work hard we all love each other so much we love to surprise each other with the most outrageous things

Speaker 2 and I can tell you and remember every single thing that we've ever done for each other over the years. And it just makes me so happy and it's so much fun.

Speaker 2 And we have a lot of love for each other, but it makes us so happy to surprise each other.

Speaker 2 And I think, listen, I think it's extravagant and it's decadent and it's over the top and it's outrageous and it's fabulous, all of it.

Speaker 2 But I think, you know, you, you have to remember, and I like to remind people that get critical because I'm sure people will be, you know, rolling their eyes going, oh, well, we all, nobody can do stuff like that.

Speaker 2 But we all do so much that nobody would ever even know about at Christmas time for others others and less fortunate.

Speaker 1 But we do that all year round.

Speaker 2 So I really feel very joyful when I'm able to do something for others that are less fortunate and don't have, you know, some of the things. They don't have the family.
They don't have the food.

Speaker 2 They don't have the celebrations, you know, and all the decorations and the getting into the spirit of Christmas time.

Speaker 1 You are the house, even on Christmas morning. Yes, we let us have our family time.
But if there's someone who lives in LA that doesn't have family, they all come over for breakfast.

Speaker 1 Like it is, I do love that. If one of your kids didn't show up Christmas morning, would you

Speaker 1 really sad?

Speaker 2 You would. Really sad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That would make me,

Speaker 2 it would change my energy for sure. It would change my day.
I mean, obviously it depends on the reason why, but they would still be sorely missed.

Speaker 2 It would be so sad for me because I'm so used to having you guys all there. And then I get you and all the kids and I get

Speaker 2 your significant others or, you know, what my mom, Cece,

Speaker 2 you know, everybody. It just, it's always been such a huge, big deal for all of us.
And we just hang out all day.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 How do you feel now being a grandmother and the kids keep multiplying? Do you feel the pressures of Christmas?

Speaker 1 Do you love seeing all that chaos with that many more people just like making a mess and like screaming because there's the fighting or getting into candy or because they're just kids.

Speaker 2 No, I love it.

Speaker 1 You love it. You love the noise.
I love it.

Speaker 2 I would miss it so much if it was quiet and it was just me sitting there with a cup of coffee. I would be very sad.
Yeah. I love having you guys all there.

Speaker 1 We love being there.

Speaker 2 I love it so much.

Speaker 1 Are you sad?

Speaker 1 That the Christmas card tradition doesn't happen anymore. I am.
Or are you happy that one thing is gone?

Speaker 2 I've done it for so many years, literally since Courtney was a year old. So 45 years.

Speaker 1 Where's the one photo with you, Courtney, and my dad? It's in the

Speaker 1 photo album.

Speaker 2 I still have photo albums up until 2012. I'm one of probably the only person who still was, you know, pasting photos in books until 2012.

Speaker 2 And then I just gave up because it was such a digital environment.

Speaker 2 And now everything is, everything is digitized.

Speaker 1 No, you guys,

Speaker 1 my mom is psychotic. Every month she takes every photo of the month, right, that's in your camera roll and you have Matthew Ryan print him out.

Speaker 2 At first I edit it down. So like if you take six photos, then you pick what you want to keep on your phone and then we print it out.
at a place that I've been using since the 90s that I trust.

Speaker 2 And they print out one copy of each photo and we put it in a archival box that will save it and put it in storage. Every fucking month.

Speaker 1 Well, what? That's amazing. But no, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 What if it all disappears one day?

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm not mad. I'm envious.
I just don't have the energy or a storage facility.

Speaker 2 I have like... Or Matthew.
Right.

Speaker 1 No, Matthew, that poor guy is like.

Speaker 2 I know. He's the best.

Speaker 1 Don't know how he's still around, but we count him blessing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, us. God bless him for putting up with me.
So I

Speaker 1 take a lot of pride in my faith. I take a lot of pride in how I was raised with the foundation of faith.
Where does faith come into play with you, but also specifically around Christmas?

Speaker 2 Well, faith, I was brought up going to church on Sundays. And then I had a

Speaker 2 I was christened when I was a baby. And then I went to church.
I went to a Presbyterian church. And I still have my first, I went to a class at my church after school a couple of days a week.

Speaker 2 And then we had like a, it was, you know, how Catholic, the Catholic religion has like a catechism and they go through a whole thing and they graduate.

Speaker 2 And I had something like that, but I have my Bible that was given to me when I was like eight years old. that I still have in my drawer from the teacher.

Speaker 2 And I just remember the going to that ceremony and getting dressed up for that and feeling so proud of myself that I completed the little course.

Speaker 2 And I think that's when it was really instilled. And then at Christmas time,

Speaker 2 it was so beautiful because it was being in the choir and singing Christmas carols.

Speaker 1 You were in a choir.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't think it was an actual choir. It was the students that had to line up on the row of benches and sing the Christmas carols.
So in my mind, I was in a choir.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 But it was the class. And we were singing all these beautiful songs and sort of like at, you know, the in the school auditorium and that was part of the church.

Speaker 2 And they had an auditorium and a beautiful ceremony at the holidays. And then it grew into me taking you guys to church and Bible study and everything through the years.

Speaker 2 And Christmas always made everything so much more special. And that's when you would have these celebrations and recitals and, you know, have little programs.

Speaker 2 And I don't, I think that's probably what I miss the most about those times in Christmas, as far as kids were all the things that the school and the church used to do to celebrate the holidays and having the kids perform, I thought was always so cute.

Speaker 1 Let's ask a few evergreen questions. Oh, okay.
When was the last time you've given a blowy?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 2 I don't remember. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm not answering. That wasn't really funny.
Well, it wasn't really on there. I just wanted to see what you would do.
I felt like I had to spruce you up a bit. Okay.

Speaker 1 How much screen time do you think you spend on your phone every week? Do you know? Do you have that calculation?

Speaker 2 I do. I can't look at it when it comes up.

Speaker 1 Why would you even have that on? I don't know. I don't want it.

Speaker 2 It tells me because I don't look when it comes up.

Speaker 1 But I don't even, what I started to turn it off.

Speaker 2 What I started to do was

Speaker 2 really try at night

Speaker 2 and to just put it away. I can't look at it anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I flip mine over on the bedside table. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have to leave my phone on at night

Speaker 2 because I have six kids and 13 grandchildren. Wow.
And I'm the responsible one who's kind of running the show. Well, you

Speaker 2 know, like I can just put my phone away.

Speaker 1 Well, how you sent security to Bargin to me this morning to ask a question about Kim's.

Speaker 2 I don't want them coming upstairs and wrestling me out of bed.

Speaker 1 Well, do you have a house phone? I have a house phone for that reason.

Speaker 2 So I have a lot of house phones.

Speaker 1 You give everyone the house phone and you say, if there's an emergency.

Speaker 2 The house phones are turned off.

Speaker 1 What? Who's calling you?

Speaker 2 Like 1-800 wrapping paper. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What are you mindlessly scrolling on? Like, what's the app that you're on the most? Because I have a lot of DMs from you.

Speaker 2 Okay. So my, what I get, what I get the most enjoyment out of and what's really interesting to me is architecture, design, cooking.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 So, and then I get the random, look at this cute toy, because my phone knows I have 13 grandchildren, apparently. So I'm always buying the most random gadgets.

Speaker 1 What app?

Speaker 2 Well, it's not an app.

Speaker 1 I'm on Instagram. Oh, so that's the app.

Speaker 2 So, well, yeah, but then it takes you to Reels and then you fucking go over to the app

Speaker 1 is Instagram.

Speaker 2 Okay, Smarty Pants.

Speaker 1 Reels is on Instagram.

Speaker 2 Instagram.

Speaker 1 So are you a TikToker?

Speaker 2 I like TikTok when you guys somehow talk me into

Speaker 1 no, not like are you posting?

Speaker 2 No, I don't go on TikTok.

Speaker 1 You don't scroll on TikTok.

Speaker 2 Okay. I scroll on Instagram.
Okay. And I'm really like, I get,

Speaker 2 like, right now, everything's about a Ralph Lauren Christmas.

Speaker 1 Mom!

Speaker 1 That's my Christmas theme this year. Stop.
That's what I want it to be.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's trending, babe. It is trending.
That's why we're wearing plaid. No, my paper's plaid this year.
Stop.

Speaker 1 Isn't Kim's? Yeah. So you guys are having dueling plaid.

Speaker 2 That's right. You can, I promise you she's going to be pissed.

Speaker 1 I was trying to keep this evergreen, but we'll go back to Christmas really quickly.

Speaker 1 We also traditionally, each household, so like Courtney, Kim, Rob, we each have our own, and they have to be different. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Themed or colored Christmas wrapping paper. And then we make, we're sick.
We make piles at my mom's house because that's where we

Speaker 1 spend our Christmas morning. So let's just say my household's gifts would be a forest green.
Yours could be plaid, whatever.

Speaker 1 And then we know where our stacks are because they're identifiable from the right.

Speaker 2 Well, there's okay.

Speaker 2 So at my house on Christmas morning, if you were ever just to randomly show up, you would see these beautiful Christmas trees that I have all over the place, but also here and there at these beautiful stacks of gorgeously wrapped gifts.

Speaker 2 And Chloe's

Speaker 1 wife's pattern. If it's not me, shoved in the attic.

Speaker 2 There's a combo. Karen and Orr, Yes.
My two angels, my elves that come and help me.

Speaker 1 And me.

Speaker 2 Like I, you know, I'm kind of.

Speaker 1 Let's not. I'm the creative director.
Let's just be, this is an honest show. I rap gifts.

Speaker 2 No, I'm a great gift wrapper.

Speaker 1 You used to be. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, you're not getting those fingernails.

Speaker 2 I don't have long fingernails.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but look at that perfectly polished.

Speaker 2 We just got them done yesterday.

Speaker 1 You're not.

Speaker 2 Trust me. Okay, listen.
And so did you understand what Kim did last year

Speaker 1 with the wrapping?

Speaker 2 One of my most special

Speaker 2 times of the year is when all the gifts start to arrive from all the different family members. So Robert will have his dropped off.
Courtney will have hers dropped off. Chloe's comes over.

Speaker 2 And Matthew gets a call. You know, Kim wants to drop the gifts off today.
And I'm going, oh, goody. And I get to see Kim's paper.

Speaker 2 And, you know, usually the person who's dropping off the gifts, either their team comes with the presents or they come and, you know, check it out and see how that they're all positioned well kim had a new assistant last year somebody new and she wanted to come with the gifts and make sure they were all placed perfectly and so i said oh great so i stepped out of the room for a while and all of a sudden I look at my phone for something and Kim is in, literally going live on Instagram with all of our presents, showing everyone's gift wrap.

Speaker 1 She just has to.

Speaker 2 Because she had to be the first to announce and show the gift wrap from the family.

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, it's part of the surprise of everybody to come in and like we get so excited to see the different wrappers.

Speaker 1 What people were upset about is my mom last year had the most legendary wrapping paper for each one of us. I did.

Speaker 1 And each kid, she had this artist, Rachel,

Speaker 1 hand sketched. Christmas specific wrappings.
So it was, if it was my gift, it was me wearing a Santa's costume. They were so cute.
It would be Rob wearing a Santa hat. They were so well done.

Speaker 1 They were really cute. That was the surprise.
And Kim exposed it to the world.

Speaker 2 But just showed everybody's gift wrap. And I was just like, okey-dokie.

Speaker 1 When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do?

Speaker 2 At Christmas time?

Speaker 1 No. Remember, I was asking you evergreen questions and you keep going back to Christmas.

Speaker 2 No, I don't remember. I'm old.

Speaker 1 Oh. Just work with me.
Well, the face is young. Okay.
And Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, number one, do we like a Ralph Lauren themed Christmas?

Speaker 2 We love.

Speaker 2 There's nothing.

Speaker 1 I just had to.

Speaker 2 First of all, there's nothing better than walking into the Ralph Lauren store in New York City and going to the polo bar.

Speaker 1 But not even on Christmas. No.
Like just in general.

Speaker 2 Did I tell you what happened to me in New York?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 So the president was in town. So

Speaker 1 the streets were blocked. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So the streets were blocked a little bit. And I was supposed to meet Gail at the polo bar.

Speaker 1 Gail King.

Speaker 2 Oh, my. So I go to the polo bar, but it's really hard to get to.
So basically, I had to walk two blocks.

Speaker 1 Then Gail King. Right, really.
So I have to walk two blocks.

Speaker 2 God forbid. And so we walk to the polo bar.
Yes. And I walk inside, empty.
I've never seen it empty.

Speaker 2 It's usually 18 people thick at the bar and people trying to get in and sit and there's commotion and, you know, people's coats are flying and scarves are wrapping and it's crazy and so i walk in dead silence nobody there two fabulous bartenders behind the bar the people that work there are just standing there waiting to wait on somebody and i go oh my god and the woman is so lovely she goes can i take you down to your table and i go oh are you kidding me absolutely not i need to sit here at the bar and have a martini of course and enjoy this moment.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, the waiters bring me these snacks, like these little chips and these little nuts that are hot and warm and, and olives in my martini and the martini and the shaker, and it's shaking.

Speaker 2 And oh, it was glorious. And that was one of my favorite moments in New York a couple of weeks ago when I was there.

Speaker 1 That's the story?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That the bartender got you a drink?

Speaker 2 No, in a bar.

Speaker 2 Do you know the last time I was by myself in a bar in New York? I think I was 20 years old and I was working for American Airlines.

Speaker 2 I don't just randomly go into bars and sit there by myself and have vodka.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? You're missing out.

Speaker 2 It was really a moment.

Speaker 1 When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do? Do you know what that is?

Speaker 2 Well, I used to.

Speaker 2 A moment of quiet.

Speaker 1 Or do you not have a moment of quiet?

Speaker 2 I don't really have many.

Speaker 2 But okay, so the things if I'm home,

Speaker 2 I would the things that I do to create moments would be going for a walk or working out and things like that to have some me time.

Speaker 1 You're on the phone,

Speaker 1 screaming on a walk and you have security tailing you. Got it.
That's not alone. Right.

Speaker 2 Okay, so it probably takes a lot of time.

Speaker 1 We live in a gated area. My mom's convinced we're still getting kidnapped and she has security following her in a car in case someone's going to snatch her.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's truly psychotic, but to each their own. It's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's totally okay. Thank you.
You're welcome. I wish you still cooked.

Speaker 2 I know, me too.

Speaker 1 Why don't you cook anymore?

Speaker 2 Well, I cooked. Okay, so last week.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's not make up stories, though. Okay, Chloe.

Speaker 2 Last week, I made spaghetti bolognese and garlic toast and a salad. It takes five minutes.

Speaker 1 A four-year-old could make that.

Speaker 2 I just said. Okay, sorry.

Speaker 1 And I'm not judging you. I know.
That's great.

Speaker 2 And so, let's see. Sunday night I made steaks enough of this.
And sweet potatoes.

Speaker 1 Your nose is growing. Mom.

Speaker 1 I can't. I can't be a part of lying.
I just can't. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 For me and Rob and Corey. Are we okay?

Speaker 1 Mom?

Speaker 1 No, we're not lying.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. We're not lying like this.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Call your brother right now and ask him. I'm not going to say a word.
Just ask him what he had for dinner on Sunday night that I made. Why don't you ask him if you're going to call me a liar?

Speaker 2 Then you got to back it up with some facts, babe.

Speaker 2 Just call him and say, I can't text him. Does anybody see my hands? Okay, I'm not texting anybody to say, Rob.

Speaker 1 What'd you have for dinner on Sunday?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Sunday, probably steak.

Speaker 1 Where'd you get steak from?

Speaker 1 I think mom brought it.

Speaker 2 Where'd she bring it from?

Speaker 1 She made it, her house. Did you watch her make it?

Speaker 1 I know her steak was five mistakes she always makes.

Speaker 2 Okay, I deserve an apology.

Speaker 1 Okay. An apology.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I just didn't think mom cooked anymore.
She always makes me a steak, sweet potato, and veggies and her salad for her signature.

Speaker 1 The fact that I wouldn't be included one day. You don't eat meat.
You can eat steak. But you can, I could have a salad and a baked potato.

Speaker 2 I asked you, do you want a salad? And you know what you said? I'm good, babe. Wow.

Speaker 2 Somebody has to get into the Christmas spirit around here because you are evergreen questions.

Speaker 1 Stop bringing it back to Christmas. You're a screw.
Okay. I love you, Bob.
Okay. Well, I really apologize that I called you a cooking liar.

Speaker 1 You know what you're doing?

Speaker 2 You're like chef shaming me.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 And I'm a really good chef.

Speaker 1 You're a great chef. I'm trying to get you to cook more because it's so good.

Speaker 2 The funny thing about me is I enjoy the cooking experience, but I equally enjoy. the gadgets I have in my kitchen and the pots that I cook in and bacon.

Speaker 2 And my trips to William Sonoma are epic trips epic and those are part of my Christmas experience too I know it's evergreen

Speaker 1 Christmas it's evergreen what is your favorite place you've ever vacationed to with your family oh with my family well some of my best memories are ski trips when you guys were little um i love italy my happy place is the desert yes we love it there

Speaker 2 yeah so i love it there and i love, I mean, I love trips, but at the end of the day, I just love being home.

Speaker 1 Threw such a tantrum one time. And she was like, we need to go to Bali.
We need to go to Bali. We are filming.

Speaker 1 She had, this is when we were filming Keeping Up and she has production scout this trip and yada yada. And we go to Bali.
Who does not come to Bali with us? Chris Jenner. I know.

Speaker 1 But sends all of the kids. And you were like, it's not a good time for me to travel right now.
You need more trips with us.

Speaker 2 I know. We have fun.

Speaker 1 When we went to India, Kim and I, it was such

Speaker 1 a fast trip. I think we were there for 48 hours and it was really hard.
And then we had to go to Italy after that.

Speaker 1 But we were saying that's the trip you should have pushed yourself to do because it was once in a lifetime experience. I really was like the craziest fucking thing.

Speaker 2 I do regret that.

Speaker 1 How do you decide what's actually worth your time and energy these days?

Speaker 2 I'm trying to learn how to say,

Speaker 2 not only to say no, but kind of decide what is the important stuff to push myself to do. And I've made so many mistakes lately.
Like I've said no,

Speaker 2 thinking that I don't think I could do that. I don't think I could get there.
And then after the ship has sailed, I think I could have done that.

Speaker 1 So I have to make better decisions. No, but you are the queen of FOMO.

Speaker 1 You can't handle

Speaker 1 if you're missing something. I can't.
No, you can't. But you own it.
Yeah. Oh, totally.
I go crazy. There's no FOMO for me.
Really? If I say no,

Speaker 1 I'm not thinking about it again.

Speaker 2 I was invited to a party. Oh, man.
This party. About a month ago.
Yeah. And I didn't go.
And I really wanted to go. But it was hard because I was flying home from New York.

Speaker 2 And then I had like 12 hours to turn it around and go back again. And I couldn't stay in New York.
Why? Because I had a meeting here I couldn't miss for Kendall.

Speaker 2 She said, please don't miss the meeting. And somebody was flying in to meet us.
Got it. So it couldn't be missed.
But I just didn't see how I could turn it around like that physically.

Speaker 2 I just, I just got it. Like, I thought this is going to just be too much for me, right?

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 2 The party starts, and Corey has me on FaceTime.

Speaker 2 And here in a private party in a small, beautiful, intimate setting on a rooftop in New York with the skylight, the lights, the camera, just the whole thing. And out comes this, like,

Speaker 2 the whole band comes out and it's Stevie Wonder who then, as a surprise, who then does an entire performance. And I cannot believe that I missed Stevie Wonder performing live.
I just can't believe it.

Speaker 2 I was, it's such,

Speaker 2 I had such FOMO, I had to hang up.

Speaker 1 I get it. I've got to call you back.

Speaker 2 This is too much for me.

Speaker 1 I missed this.

Speaker 2 I can't believe it. But so lovely that they did this for their, you know, yeah, that's a big one to miss.
Like that was a huge thing to miss. So I was really disappointed about that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 But I don't like making decisions like that because I think every time we say no to something, we're missing something that, you know, once in a lifetime or spending time with people that we love so much and that, you know,

Speaker 1 doesn't bother me.

Speaker 2 It bothers me a lot. to miss.
I want to be, I want to show up for people. And sometimes when I can, I get really hard on myself.
I think.

Speaker 1 You show up for people all the time.

Speaker 2 I know, but sometimes I feel like I feel like I do and I try. But sometimes, have you ever had that group of friends and sometimes you feel like you're always saying no and you don't want to say no?

Speaker 1 Oh, all the time.

Speaker 2 It just turns out that way.

Speaker 2 It frustrates me a lot that I can't be everywhere all at once.

Speaker 1 Okay. Last few questions.
How do you feel about turning 70? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 Blessed.

Speaker 2 I feel really happy and blessed. Are you excited?

Speaker 1 Are you nervous? Are you

Speaker 1 care about the number?

Speaker 1 Even when you look as stunning as you do.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's not about the way that I look. It's about the way that I feel.
And that's what I have to do.

Speaker 1 You feel great. I do.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I feel good.
I feel like I compare myself to people that I know in my lifetime that came way before me, my grandparents or, you know, my mom.

Speaker 2 And my mom was doing great at 70 and she's still doing great at 91.

Speaker 2 But I think it's just the way you look at life. And I'm realizing that it's all about the attitude, moving,

Speaker 2 keeping yourself

Speaker 2 busy, but healthy, and really making better choices. And I've really tried to do that for the last 10 years.
And I think it's really helped.

Speaker 2 And I think one thing I want to thank you for is for encouraging me me to start doing training, like strength training again.

Speaker 1 Or bullying you.

Speaker 2 Well, you bullied me into working out. So thanks for that.
But the way you went about it, you know, we could talk about that later off camera.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 the way I feel is so

Speaker 1 strength training is

Speaker 1 so important for your body, especially the older you get.

Speaker 2 It's a 180. Yeah.
And if I ever fell.

Speaker 1 Or even the comment you made to me about your high heels. Yeah.

Speaker 2 After my hip replacement, I really couldn't wear a high heel anymore. But then I started strength training.

Speaker 2 My legs got stronger, my back, my torso, my body, my arm, everything just, there was another pep in my step. You know, I just felt better about the way I move around the planet.

Speaker 2 And I realized I can, you know, feel a lot stronger and wear things I want to wear. And, you know, I love fashion, so that's important to me.
But I just feel better. And I feel like I eat better.

Speaker 2 I sleep better, I concentrate on my sleep and all of that. And that was a big change for me.
When turning 70, I think that it just becomes mind over matter.

Speaker 2 You know, you just have to say, okay, guess what? I've got this next decade to attack. I feel like I look at my life in chapters

Speaker 2 and I, you know, about to enter into my seventh chapter.

Speaker 1 I look at mine the same way. You do? I do.
I'm looking at the 40s. Yeah.
30s. That's how I look at mine as well.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, what, what is this going to be like?

Speaker 1 But do you let the number

Speaker 1 play like games with your brain?

Speaker 2 Age is just a number.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. I hope you.
I really believe that.

Speaker 2 I do. I didn't, you know, I used to say it and I believed it, but now I really believe it.
I don't feel, I feel better.

Speaker 2 And I feel like, you know, the things that I do to protect my health and improve everything that I can,

Speaker 1 I want to share that with everybody because modern medicinal science is such a blessing for all of us.

Speaker 2 MMS.

Speaker 1 MMS. That's right.

Speaker 1 Modern medicinal science. Medicinal science.
Say it three times fast.

Speaker 2 Modern medicinal science, modern medicinal science, modern medicinal science.

Speaker 1 See, it's still there.

Speaker 2 It's, you know, I think that when you can treat yourself to, you know, self-care. treatments and just doing things for yourself that, you know, make you feel better, do it.
Yep.

Speaker 2 So I don't have a lot of time, but when I do, when you said, what do you do if you have a quiet moment? Okay. Those are the times.
One year you bought me a red light for my face.

Speaker 2 And I'll go get under that. I'll get in the massage chair.
I'll take a sauna. Nice.
I'll take a bath. I'll take a steam.
I have a little spa set up at the house. Wow.

Speaker 2 So I'm super lucky because I've worked hard my whole life to be able to have these goodies everywhere. And I use them and I enjoy them and I look forward to it.

Speaker 2 You didn't ask me about my favorite gift I ever got. What's your favorite gift that you've ever received from me? Like if you had to think of something

Speaker 2 that I've given you over the years for Christmas,

Speaker 2 what would be one of your favorite Christmas gifts?

Speaker 1 I have to think because that's a very thoughtful answer. What is yours? I feel like you have an answer.
That's why you were.

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 I saw it on your list and i thought about you're pre-reading the questions i saw a couple questions yes okay but i it was like for two seconds in the green

Speaker 2 upset about it no but i mean it felt like i had time to think about it but i saw this one question that said what is your favorite gift that you've ever given each other or something like that and what was it well it wasn't what you gave me Okay.

Speaker 2 It was what your dad gave me once. What he gave you? And that was your dad was always

Speaker 2 somebody that wanted you to really want something before he like he wanted a great surprise. Okay.
And he wanted you to surprise and delight. And I remember once, like, for example,

Speaker 2 I really wanted a car once when I was growing, growing up, because basically I grew up with him.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 one day we were going out to dinner and it was the night before Mother's Day and we were late and we ran out into the garage and there was a brand new car with a big bow on it.

Speaker 1 Like when you least expect it was when your dad would give a gift.

Speaker 2 Cute. Like and he would think about it for a really long time.
So I really got a little bougie

Speaker 2 in my,

Speaker 2 you know, as I got older and had kids and got a little more mature and started seeing beautiful, shiny new things and, you know, felt really blessed.

Speaker 2 And I remember I had this beautiful Piaget watch on my wish list forever.

Speaker 2 And he would say,

Speaker 2 This is what you want. You want this watch? I don't understand.
Like, you have a watch. Like, why do you, you know, he just, and it was this beautiful dressy, like dress watch.

Speaker 2 And I had talked about it for a long time. And, you know, I'm the wife that accidentally puts the picture of the watch on the refrigerator.
Right. Or on his closet door.

Speaker 2 Or maybe, you know, when he lifts

Speaker 2 when he, when he lifts the seat to pee, it's there.

Speaker 2 Like I would do the craziest things and put this picture of this watch everywhere. And so for Christmas one year, we were opening gifts and he said, do you want your, do you want to open your present?

Speaker 2 And I said, yeah.

Speaker 2 But there was a problem because the present was like big.

Speaker 2 And I thought, oh, it's definitely, you know, nothing that, yeah, it's not jewelry. So I couldn't imagine what it was.
And I opened the gift and it's a Barbie

Speaker 2 in a box and it was really cute. And I used to collect the Christmas, I still to this day collect the Christmas Barbie.
So every year,

Speaker 2 don't laugh, at Christmas, my mom gives me the Christmas Barbie now. And your dad used to give me a Christmas Barbie.
And it's always Barbie dressed in, I know, I'm like an adult that collects dolls.

Speaker 2 No, it's funny.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. So

Speaker 2 he gave me the Christmas Barbie.

Speaker 2 And he goes, she's cute, right? And I go, yeah, she's really cute. Thank you.
Like, I was like, this is what I'm getting for Chris. You know, I was a spoiled brat.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I thought, not much has changed.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 So he said, don't you want to look at her or play with her?

Speaker 1 And I go, Okay.

Speaker 2 You know, I felt bad that I wasn't more excited about opening this Barbie.

Speaker 1 So I pulled her out.

Speaker 2 You know how they have the Barbie attached with plastic and it takes like nine hours to get the Barbie out of the box.

Speaker 2 So get the Barbie out of the box. And she had the watch around her waist.
Aw, and he had covered it with tissue or something. That was so cute.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was really cute.

Speaker 2 So I think that was the most, I was so excited.

Speaker 1 Well, mom,

Speaker 1 this I've looked forward to literally all week. I love being with you.
I love learning anything I can from you. Even like, who the hell is Avalon? What's her name? Avalon?

Speaker 2 Avalon. Like, Jimmy and Avalon.

Speaker 1 But I didn't know this before today. I always learn something new is what I'm trying to say.
And I just love you so much. No, I love you.
For so many different reasons.

Speaker 1 But the fact that you're sharing a little holiday insight with me and the listeners, it's so special. I love you.
And you know, you're always welcomed in Wonderland.

Speaker 2 I love Chloe in Wonderland. Thank you.
My very own little special place.

Speaker 1 I love when we start talking like this. I know.
I know. So sweet.