#1054: June 16, 2025

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes.

Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

Which bright spot today, buddy?

I have a bright spot and a meh, debatably dark spot.

All right.

And I once again give you the choice of the order we're going to go in.

You know, I feel like the instinct would be to switch it up just for the novelty, but you know what?

I think I'm right.

Bad news first, get the good news, we'll go off on a good note.

Okay, this isn't entirely bad news, but it's something we haven't really addressed.

Okay.

And that is the last time that we mentioned our other podcast, it's a matter of time.

Let's never mention that again.

The last time we mentioned it on this podcast, I was making a bright spot that I was committing to putting it on iTunes.

I do recall that.

And then almost immediately we decided we're not doing that.

We had a conversation and neither of us really gave a shit about.

Well, I still enjoy the 60s TV show.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

I still want to watch stuff.

Sure.

But doing a recap show, especially of like everything that we're going to find is going to be episodic.

And it's either going to be like, oh, this was good, or, oh, this sucks.

Yep.

And

I felt trapped.

And I think you felt the same and not in a fun way.

It is a strange thing for us to just go like, I can enjoy a thing without also making it into a show about me enjoying a thing.

Yeah, and so we decided,

and so it's a dark spot for the very limited number of people who enjoyed that and wanted us to do that.

God bless you all.

Yeah, sorry.

Derek and Non.

So

that's the sort of dark spot that is discontinued.

We'll do something else, I'm sure, you know, at some point.

We always do.

We'll have other things we do.

I really wanted to do that show in the same way that I started doing these bright spots when the pandemic started.

And I really wanted to be at least in some way encouraging people to look for something nice in their life.

You know, shit's bad.

Yeah.

But hey, here's this fun thing.

Let's try this.

Yeah, let's not be depressing all the time.

Right.

And, you know, when Trump got re-elected, I didn't want to just talk about this shit all the time.

Sure.

And I wanted to have that other thing as some kind of, if you like us, you can like this and listen to this, and it's not depressing.

But I just don't think it worked.

Nope.

So anyway, sorry.

Yeah.

So the bright spot.

Yeah.

Let's do it.

I was laying in bed.

And so oftentimes, Celine, my cat, will use my hand as a pillow.

Okay.

She'll lay in my.

I sleep with my arm

like that.

And she'll use your hand.

That's cute.

It's very cute.

That's very cute.

And I was laying there, and she started licking my hand.

Oh.

Right?

Yeah.

And I realized that the expression is, ah, cat got your tongue.

And I had a rare opportunity to get a cat's tongue.

Right.

And so I took it.

I tried to grab her tongue because she was licking my hand.

Right.

I could just snatch it.

You just do it.

Yeah.

I was unable to get her tongue.

Yeah.

But she was very confused.

They're quick.

Yeah.

I've seen videos where

they're, I guess, faster than snakes or something.

See, there you go.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I could not grab her tongue, but I chuckled as I tried.

That's fun.

I like that.

So, what's your bright spot?

My bright spot is I had my first physical therapy appointment yesterday.

Okay.

Because my back is a horrible mess.

Was this partially inspired by the success of your acupuncture tattoo?

No, it's been my wife.

She's been going to the physical therapy for the last couple of months.

And so since then, I've become a lot healthier.

She's brought back all the stuff.

And so I'm doing all kinds of different stuff now.

And so I finally went to the actual physical therapist instead of just secondhand stealing all of the information they've been giving to my wife.

And it was fun because the appointment was like, ah, you've stolen all of our information, you bastard.

But then.

So did they like backcharge you, like prorate all of this?

Oh, you owe us like 10 grand.

Nope.

He didn't give me anything, any like new stuff to do, but he was like, how's your back do?

And he just found that like my vertebrae, no good.

Curved the rod, like all awful.

And he just put them into the right spot, right?

And then just pressed down on it.

And I can't begin to describe to you, like, first off, I just made this noise in public, oh,

like that.

I made, oh, it was, it felt so good, and then I was an inch taller for the rest of the day.

Like, it's that was crazy how awful my back is.

Yeah, and a lot of that's probably just posture,

just probably correcting something that you could have shifted yourself a little bit, damage all across the board, yeah.

Yeah, yep.

One of the things that I think I've learned from when I've gone to personal training and such is like the importance of form.

Sure.

Like you know how to lift something.

Sure.

But form is important in order to like actually target the muscles.

Yeah.

And I think that's what you're going to get.

You've gotten this secondhand stuff from your wife.

So you know how to lift, basically.

Oh.

But this person, by pushing your back in a little bit, is giving you that form.

Oh, no.

I was laying on my, I was laying on my back.

He was just, he was just touching my spine.

This is all damage from

my sport life.

You're from sports.

I'm from sports.

Yeah.

And I did a lot of damage over that time period.

Yeah.

So I'm basically just going to get my back pushed into place once a week.

Possibly.

It's like the beginning of that Method Man episode of Poker Face, which was a great episode.

That had too many stars.

Too many stars.

Too many stars.

And I'm going to be honest,

it was maybe not the best resolution to one of their episodes.

No, it was great.

It was fun.

It was fun.

It was too many stars.

It's fun that Method Man is just fucking yoked.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was fun.

And he's a delight.

He was great.

One of probably

a very scary rapper to people in the 90s now, just a delightful guest star on Poker Face.

Just a baby.

Yep.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

We're going to be talking about an episode of Alex's show.

We're going to be talking about June 16th.

2025.

We're in a civil war.

Alex has killed Gene Hackman.

True.

He has learned that the shooter in Minnesota is a a fan of Trump.

Right.

But we have still not peeled off the bandage where he realizes that he is also a fan of InfoWars.

Right, right, right, right.

So we're logging that.

Alex has decided this guy's probably an actor, the roommate of the shooter.

Right.

And so that's where we're at here.

Gotcha.

And we'll jump back in in a second here, but first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So, first, Robin and Turkey.

Thank you so much.

You are now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, now I'm not saying that Owen Schroyer enjoys fallating roadkill on average, but with those dead eyes and the creepy excuse for a beard, I mean, look at him.

If you were making a movie about a guy who sucks the farts out of dead seagulls, that's what he would look like on record.

But the point is, the left would probably even say that the movie is based on true events.

I'll leave it at that.

Thank you so much, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And Winky Wonky Policy Wonky.

Thank you so much, you're an Iowa Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we've got a Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much to Frag Adactylobs.

Thank you so much.

You are now a Technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Shark, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much.

Yes.

Thank you very much.

So we start off this episode, and along with the various things that are going on in domestic affairs and Alex Jones' Infowars world, there's also a conflict between Iran and Israel.

Sure.

They're shooting things at each other.

Right.

And so World War III is right on the cusp.

Right next to the civil war that's currently happening here.

There's a lot.

A lot of wars going on.

And so Alex has some comments about this, about which side he's on.

He thinks he's on neither, but his position is a little simpler than that.

So Israel is

absolutely winning this war.

And President Trump came out again today and said Iran needs to capitulate and sign the deals to get rid of their nuclear weapons program

or they are going to face regime change.

As I predicted, Netanyahu is now out saying he wants regime change, and that's the real goal.

And much of the Iranian government,

military, and infrastructure is full of Israeli spies.

Now, why is that?

It's because the Shiite hereditary Mohammedan dynasty, it's royalty.

Sounds like you're on the right track already.

It's a religious royalty.

It's a religious cult.

is not even Persian.

They've inbred some with them, but

they're Muhammad.

I mean, they're literally all look exactly alike.

Good start.

And they got run out of Iraq and Saudi Arabia by the Wahhabists in the last thousand years, and a bunch of them ran to

Iran, Persia, and now they've taken over there because that's what they do.

Anywhere you bring Muslims in, they end up taking over if you let them continue to be a family.

I was wondering when we get there.

They always say they're your friend until they're not.

As soon as they hit 10% of the population, they start expanding, attacking.

I don't care if it takes 500 years, they will take your property.

They will convert you or they will kill you.

So this is really at the heart of what Alex's position is.

And I think it sometimes can be hard for folks to grasp, particularly because Alex pretends that he's in a war with the literal devil and everything is black and white for him.

So everybody kind of expects a simplicity.

And there's a complexity on the surface to what he's saying, but there's actually a very simple thing behind it.

Yeah, no, it's very simple.

He hates hates Islam.

Yeah.

Israel is a different kind of issue than the black and white stuff for him, because there's some people on the extreme right wing who support Zionism, and the relationship between the existence of Israel and evangelical Christianity is intertwined.

At the same time, a huge chunk of the extreme right wing are neo-Nazis, some of whom are fine with Israel existing if they can just send all the Jewish people there, while others are more into a final solution and exterminationism.

The world Alex comes from has two different branches with different relationships with Israel, and that's not the case on a lot of issues.

It's okay to be a hardline anti-abortion zealot because there's no community of pro-choice extreme right-wingers.

It's okay to be a fanatic against government regulation because the extreme right is never going to disagree with you there.

On this issue, Alex knows that regardless of what he says, he has a good chance of alienating some of his audience by being too in favor or two against Israel, which is why, for the most part, you don't see him take very strong positions on this.

The thing to understand is that he's not really pro-Israel.

He's not pro-Iran.

He's not even anti-either of these countries.

He just hates Muslims, and he wants to enforce eugenic policies on them.

In recent episodes, he's started to be a little bit more critical of Israel, probably because he can tell that his audience is suspicious of why he hasn't been.

But his position fundamentally hasn't changed.

He doesn't like Israel's actions, but he doesn't like Muslims existing.

Right.

That's the fundamental difference.

Yeah.

It's very simple.

Yeah, it is a strange combination of people who disagree on everything

and also agree on everything.

And in a similar way, the two arguments from these people could be generalized as, we hate the Jews.

They're going to kill everybody.

And the Jews are going to kill everybody.

That's why we've got to give them their own state, you know?

Like, it's a weird, like,

the chief branches of the far-right relationship with us.

Right.

It's very...

I think it's difficult territory for Alex Alex to navigate.

And that's why it's a very safe position for him to have of like, really what this is about is I hate Muslims.

Yeah.

Fuck that.

They shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Right.

Yep.

Great.

It's safe for him to say that, given his audience.

So in terms of Israel and Iran fighting with each other, Alex's take on this is kind of surprising.

And that is that Iran should just probably give up.

But I'll tell you this.

If the Iranian regime is about to fall,

Israel does not have the bunker busters, and I mean space-based ones that nobody's ever used, you know, of.

If they don't use the DU meteor guns,

that's just the technical layman term for it.

This is the effect of a meteor, 35,000 mile an hour.

Decapitation weapons.

They're meant to kill people in bunkers.

If they don't use those, there's a good chance that Iran's going to be able to get some of those nukes off the ground

and into Israel, and then

you're going to get a nuclear war.

So when Trump says we may have to get involved, you know, the satellites on the ground people are watching all that.

The Israelis haven't been able to get in or take out those mountain bases.

And so I'm just telling you tomorrow's news today, because I understand strategy.

You can be assured that those weapon systems and other ones that are even more advanced and super classified are aimed at Iran right now.

And what you just see on screen is a standard bunker busker

that can take out

facilities up to a half mile under the ground.

These DU meteor gun systems

can take people out two miles under a mountain.

So the bunker busters we're showing you are tinker toys

compared to what the U.S.

has had up in orbit since the late 70s at least.

And if you ever want to know why the establishment wants me off the air, it's stuff like I just said, because what I told you is dead on.

The reason I'm talking about it is the Iranians

need to understand what they're up against

and

need to give up.

I understand the argument well that Israel just continues to destabilize them.

It is what it is.

I want the funding cut.

Good argument.

I don't want to be part of this.

Israel is expansionist.

It only lines up more countries against it, which it wants, so it can continue to control the region and hold governments of the world hostage with nuclear war, just like the EU and NATO do with Ukraine.

It's the same system, just different power groups.

So I've been saying earlier in this episode that Alex isn't pro-Israel, and I need to refine what I mean by that.

There are a lot of people who are vocal supporters of the Israeli government and stand by the actions that the country has made.

These people are who I would call pro-Israel.

Alex isn't that, but he's still kind of pro-Israel, but it's a conditional thing.

He wouldn't be pro-Israel if Trump and Netanyahu were fighting, but as it stands, the two sides to him are Israel and Muslims.

And Alex really hates Muslims.

What he's saying is a very pro-Israel message, but he's trying to muddy the water to make himself look more reasonable.

He's saying that Iran should just give up because Israel has all this superior weaponry and they're essentially holding the world hostage with the prospect of nuclear war.

Alex is saying, remain a hostage, which seems seems really weird coming from him.

And then at the end of the clip, he compares this to NATO and Ukraine, where NATO keeps the fight going in Ukraine in order to antagonize Russia to hold the world hostage to possible nuclear war.

This seems like the worst thing Alex could possibly do, because it makes it clear how differently he handles these two situations.

There's zero ambiguity about Alex's support for Russia, and he has no problem picking a side there.

Alex was just invited to speak at a Russian summit about the world in 2050, where he said that the only advice that he had for them was keep it up.

That's supposed to be just another globalist destabilization effort, but it would be impossible to watch this show and think that he's a neutral observer, equally annoyed by NATO and Ukraine, as well as Russia.

Alex probably doesn't realize it while he's talking, but by using this as a comparable situation, he's accidentally making it clear how different his positions are on these crises.

Like, he's not telling Russia, give up,

submit to the EU and NATO, remain a hostage.

This is a destabilization effort or whatever.

He's actively going and doing like government summits

with Sergei Lavrov and shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like you would imagine, or at least I imagine.

A lot of the times you go, I am not necessarily interested in the government's choices so much as the actions that they are taking.

You know, like, I don't particularly care who's in the government if the government is killing all these people.

First thing, you got to stop the killing all those people thing, right?

Like,

if it was a white president of Israel and he was like, hey, guess what?

We're also all Christians now.

It's fine.

And Alex would be like, yeah, keep going.

You guys are the best.

Maybe, maybe.

There's a lot to unpack.

I think for him,

I don't know exactly what the sticking point is,

but

I think that this whole, it's a globalist distraction meant to

create tension and hold people hostage to a nuclear war is a very convenient thing for him to use, and he uses it in both directions.

Yeah.

Like, he doesn't mean any of that.

No.

There's not a prescriptive value to it.

In the case of Ukraine and Russia, he supports the side that is antagonizing and possibly could kick off that nuclear war.

Sure.

And he's pretending not to in the case of Israel and Iran.

Okay,

let's add the new social media is the only thing that matters, right?

In a way, Alex is saying, hey, all you people who hate the Jews, leave me alone.

Don't do that.

But nobody's mad at me if I say the Russians can do whatever they want.

Yes.

So that's...

Those are my two positions.

Yeah.

So going back to a more domestic side of things,

there was the news that broke that Alex accidentally covered the other day where

a bunch of non-criminal immigrants are being arrested by ICE.

Well, I can't believe that.

And so Alex needs to smooth this out a little bit.

Then Trump has announced it, and he always said he was going to do this, get the hardened criminals first, the human traffickers, the smugglers, the drug dealers, the

convicted of armed robbery, murder, and deport them.

But they've got different identities.

They're hiding out.

They're arresting up to a thousand of them a day.

But Trump knows knows they're bringing in all these illegals to be a permanent underclass and to vote illegally and to change the electoral college proportion in the districts.

So he understands this is a promise he's got to keep.

He's done a great job sealing the border, 96% sealed, but broke his record from his first administration, 94%.

So he's announced that, and it's already started.

Just the last week, there's an 800% increase in non-criminal aliens.

That's how the media spun it.

They're all criminal here illegally, but meaning they don't have

scrap sheets.

That's already up 800% in the last week.

And so they're going and they're grabbing everybody that's illegal, and they're going to be deported.

And this is what has to be done.

And it's going to be painful.

And there's some nice people that are here.

Sorry, illegal.

This is part of a larger plan.

I love a glass of water.

But if you want to stick somebody's head under the water, I don't like water.

So I'm not against all these migrants and people.

And I know Biden and all of them had come here.

You know, they gave out Social security numbers to him.

That's all come out.

The government did illegally.

And this is part of a giant, lawless operation.

So you may individually be a nice person in many cases.

I'm sorry.

We can't survive as a nation by allowing 20-something million people to be here illegally.

You got to leave.

And the corporate media is spinning it.

Oh, look, Trump's a hypocrite.

He's actually increased people coming in on work visas.

Well, he always said that.

You're not going to be here illegally, but we do need some foreign workers and some super populists are like, no, we need a total moratorium.

I tend to agree with you.

My point is that's not what Trump ran on.

He does what he says, but you're about to see millions and millions deported.

So you don't need for me to sit here.

I don't think there's any value in preaching about how the Trump administration is doing awful things in terms of immigration enforcement.

It's criminal and it's meant to terrorize vulnerable communities.

I'm interested in this clip because of what it highlights about how this propaganda works.

In order to get the ball rolling and amass public support,

Alex needed to demonize immigrants in such a way as to suggest that every person you see on the street that you suspect isn't from here is probably a mass murderer.

The streets have been taken over by roving gangs of Hispanic military-aged men who are all also getting free stuff from the government.

They're probably voting.

It was a terror campaign because it was meant to justify terror against immigrants.

He was deploying that type of rhetoric that was needed for the audience to take proactive steps to bring about the situation we see in front of us now.

He needed Trump to win in order for this white nationalist march to begin, and a large part of catalyzing that was making the audience think that they were facing an existential threat from every immigrant.

But now the program is rolling, and Alex and the Trump administration don't really need that kind of support anymore.

As the reality is setting in, people are starting to see people they know, people they go to church with, people they work with, being directly affected by the the actions of ICE, and public sentiment is starting to drift against the Trump administration's approach to this issue.

The people were promised that Trump would escalate his enforcement of the law, but it was to catch the mass murderers who had taken over the streets.

This was a deal that people thought they were making.

There were no mass murderers who had taken over the streets, though, and most of this enforcement is being used to snatch up the person you go to church with or you might see at a bar, which is leading to disillusionment.

People aren't going to buy the whole they're just using extreme measures to catch the murderer's angle when people can see that's not who's getting arrested and there's data backing that up.

So Alex needs to deploy a softer kind of demonization, one that takes into account the empathetic feelings that you might feel for the person that you know who got snatched up by ICE.

Sure, they might be a good person individually, but there's a bigger picture here.

There's a greater good that you just need to accept it.

The earlier type of messaging Alex was using was meant to incite the audience, whereas this is meant to pacify.

Because the actions Trump is carrying out,

based on

the last incitement, they're horrifying to see play out in front of you.

This is the messaging that he feels he needs to use in order to override the feelings of empathy that he's worried that the audience could experience.

And what this basically is, is the terrorist edging paradigm.

Sure.

You know, you're working real hard to incite people and get them all, and then you're getting too close to busting.

And so you go

into the pacification cooldown cooldown period.

Yeah.

And that's a disgusting thing to see in this context.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

ultimately, I guess the question of how far we're going to go is in whether he even needs to do that anymore.

You know, a lot of the stuff that he does seems

archaic.

It feels like he could just be like, hey, listen, everybody's going.

Yeah.

And everybody would be like, well, I guess that's what's happening.

I wonder how much of his audience he

legitimately stands to lose by just being like, fuck it.

I don't care.

Yeah.

I don't care at all.

I don't care at all.

Everybody is out until, and then they can figure out a way back in, I guess.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's only force of habit that's making him

rely on this appeal to empathy.

It doesn't seem necessary.

Yeah.

His audience is fully on board with incredibly cruel shit.

If not past him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

At this point.

So

after this, Alex gets into a long plug.

That sounds right.

It goes forever.

And here's a little taste of it.

Great.

You don't go

99%.

You go 110%.

People used to say, why don't Coach say 110%?

No, they didn't.

All the studies.

They absolutely did not.

No one asked.

No one asked ever.

Nope.

No one ever asked.

The average

lift twice as much weight as you think you can.

You just have a governor so you don't hurt yourself.

That's why a football coach says, oh, you think you're going 100%?

Why don't you go 110?

All of a sudden, you find, I'll go on 120%.

See how I'm going to go to the bottom?

No.

So

that's what we're doing here.

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That's just unfair.

Yeah.

It's shit.

That should not be how any capitalism at all works.

Listen, I need you to buy shit, so get your ass in gear.

Yeah,

I think that there is a valid point to be made.

You can lift more than you think.

Sure.

When adrenaline is running through you,

like if you're in an emergency or something like that, a lot of times you're capable of more than you think.

Possible.

Yes.

I think it's embarrassing to apply that to buying Shilajit.

Yep, yep.

That does seem very bad.

I think Alex should say something like this and be like, man, I can't believe my brain did that.

I am desperate.

I am craving.

I mean, can you imagine if some like just sales exec at Target was in the commercial, like, dudes, I need this.

Otherwise, I'm going to get fired.

Okay.

This is my plans for the holiday that you guys are ruining.

So buy some shit at Target.

And Alex does do a little bit of a check-in with how things are going for him.

Yeah.

You know, because there's still the legal stuff looming in the background.

Still.

And he's like,

he does, when he's saying, like, I need this,

that looks bad.

Yeah.

But he makes it look a little bit better.

They're coming after my dad.

There we go.

Not your dad.

Not Dr.

Jones and his big naturalists.

But you said that they would be coming after your dad someday.

This must mean it's time.

He's desperate to save his dad.

And so it comes off a little more noble.

He's a hero.

So we get back to the subject of the Minnesota lawmaker assassinations.

That's true.

And Alex has now learned that the guy was an InfoWars fan.

Great.

I want to shift gears out of this into the No Kings protests.

The man that they reportedly captured is supposedly this Vance Bolter, who killed the

state senator and her husband, and then wounded critically the state rep and their spouse.

And the whole weirdness around this

and how the, quote, roommate, but he's also got a wife, comes out and says, oh, he's a Trump supporter.

And then, oh,

also Alex Jones, InfoWars.

Boy, just two weeks ago, I said, I wonder if there'll be some shootings of politicians.

And then, magically, it's an Alex Jones listener.

You got CBS News.

Oh, did he watch any TV shows or podcasts?

Well, who did he like?

Who made him kill the people?

Oh, InfoWars.

Yeah.

So

that wasn't hard to predict.

The same guy was in front of the news crying, reading the text messages.

To me, it looks like bad acting.

I'm not saying he's lying or it's fake or he doesn't think that the the supposed shooter uh didn't text message him from his phone but the shooter shows up in a rubber mask and a police car and then you know all of this i mean is a tim walls appointee his wife is a democrat he's been a democrat but oh now he's maga and everybody just takes what the roommate says as gospel alex's position on what he thinks about the minnesota shooter's roommate is incoherent on the one hand alex thinks this is really bad acting but on on the other hand, he says that he might believe that he was really reading his roommate's texts to the media.

Like, he might believe it.

Who knows?

Right, it might be the greatest acting anyone has ever seen.

These are not small differences.

Like, maybe this Starbucks cup has coffee in it, or maybe it's decaf.

They serve both of those things.

So, if you have a Starbucks cup in front of you, it's sensible to assume that either might be in it.

True.

The path that coffee takes to get into the cup is the same path that decaf took to get there.

In the case of the shooter's roommate, if he's acting, then there's reason for him to be acting.

If he's acting, he's playing a role, and someone has enlisted him to play that role.

An actor telling news reporters that an accused murderer liked Inforwards doesn't pop up in the same way that a person who believes that he's reading his roommate's last text to the news pops up.

The paths are different.

The latter person is a normal person who could exist, like a Starbucks cup that's filled with decaf.

The actor person requires a complicated scenario full of people doing things that they don't normally do.

It would be like if your Starbucks cup was full of minestrone soup.

Someone had to do that.

It's crazy that that happened.

What's the acting supposed to be if this roommate was answering questions honestly to the news based on the information that he had at his disposal?

What is the acting?

What's the bad acting?

Is it just he's hamming it up?

He's pretending to be more emotional about these texts that he really got from his roommate what is the point that is trying to be made here

why is he acting does he want to be a star i don't understand

okay okay okay how about this

did

that guy actually think he was lincoln can you truly believe that you are lincoln wait the shooter's roommate no no no no uh what's his name The movie Lincoln.

Oh, the guy.

Daniel Day-Lewis?

Daniel Day-Lewis.

Okay.

So if he's reading his lines, is it possible for him to actually believe that he is Lincoln while doing that?

No.

Right?

Yeah.

So the bad acting would be he's bad at acting.

If Daniel Day-Lewis never came back and he was Lincoln.

And he was just Lincoln for good.

Then maybe I would believe it.

That would be interesting.

But there is a point at which he stopped being Lincoln.

And that leads me to believe he never truly believed himself to be Lincoln.

So this guy would either have to eventually stop believing that he was reading his

friend's texts or never have believed he was reading his friend's texts in the first place.

Yes.

Right.

What I'm trying to say is this is something that Alex is trying to make look like a tiny little difference of like, hey, the little opinion difference.

Yeah.

And in reality, it is a shockingly huge chasm between these two things.

It's the difference between being Daniel Day-Lewis and being Lincoln.

Yes.

Those are very two different things.

Yep.

So Alex plays the clip of the roommate talking about how his friend liked Infowars.

Sure.

I mean, literally, we can get the the archivist or Chase or anybody around here.

Six months ago, two months ago, a month ago, last week, I said, are you going to have somebody go shoot people during the No Kings demonstration and then blame Trump, blame me, blame the Border Patrol, blame ICE?

Said it like five times last week.

And, oh, now here it is.

And CBS just knows what question to ask about the full exchange coming up.

But here's just part of it.

Watch the body language of the CBS reporter and then him, and then the way he kind of looks down like it's notes and says, Oh, InfoWars, all guilt on it.

Yeah, yeah, InfoWars.

I mean, this is ridiculous.

Watch this.

And did he listen to any particular podcasts or TV shows or anything online that concerns you?

Well,

you listen to InfoWars, InfoWars, but

I kind of told him,

It's like 50% truth.

You know,

I kind of said,

don't take everything,

what they say for granted.

I wasn't a real truthful.

I mean, they're on for some things, but some things are way off.

Did he talk much about Trump?

And what did he say, if so?

Oh, he's a Trump supporter.

Voter for Trump.

If you like Trump, I like Trump.

They all love Trump

with their Democrat shirts and their...

Appointments by Tim Walls.

Very, very, very suspicious.

Got him.

With their Democrat shirts and their appointment by Tim Walls.

Very suspicious.

Well, he was wearing a shirt that said, I am a Democrat despite the words that I'm saying.

That is an interesting shirt to wear.

Yeah, and I think that Alex is a real piece of shit because his whole argument about Trump is that he transcends the left-right paradigm.

And so Democrats who are more populist in nature, he should think that they would gravitate towards Trump.

So this is all very stupid.

Because in real life, they gravitated towards Trump.

It's only in the fake ballots where the democrats seem to have more people right because they're dead people yeah everybody actually loved trump yeah yeah 90 or 20 95 if not more 120

it's really interesting to hear him play this clip and and him try and make it suspicious because to me it sounds like a very normal person whose friend likes infowars yep answering questions about their friend liking infowars yeah yeah that's exactly what you would do basically yeah that guy that guy i mean he you know he liked to

you know but you you can't force him to not watch it.

So, I was just kind of like, hey, buddy, be careful with that.

I have been his friend for 30 years or whatever.

You know, you just get along to get along.

You get used to some stuff, and you know, you don't have to live up to my expectations, and I don't have to live up to his.

Yeah, maybe my expectations aren't that high either.

I kind of like Alex every now and again.

Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe what we're really talking about is I need higher expectations.

Probably, yeah.

So, uh, Alex just feels like this just is thin soup.

And there's a manifesto, and they won't show us

the manifesto with the 70 people on the hit list.

And the police, who I trust a lot more than these guys, said, hey, watch out at No Kings demonstrations.

We think he might be there.

He's on the run.

He's got all these No Kings flyers in the front of the police car.

They showed a photo of it.

So I don't think the local police are in on that.

But people all hooked into walls and the Democrats and, you know, the wife running around with a bunch of passports and guns and ammo, a car full of people with guns, ammo, and they all got their passports.

You usually drive around Minnesota with your passports in your car?

I don't know what's going on.

So this feels just unnecessary.

No one cares that the shooter was a fan of Infowars.

Maybe that would have been an interesting topic 10 years ago, but Elon Musk does Hitler salutes at Trump rallies now, and there are no consequences for it.

No one,

I do a show about Alex Jones, and my perception perception of this is I don't think anyone cares.

Yep.

I agree.

Beyond just the fact that I think that this story has died down considerably in terms of the attention you think that a political assassination might get.

But then secondarily, I really think it's a bigger deal when Alex says something funny or like cries.

Like that gets more attention than the fact that this guy was a fan of his.

I don't think anyone cares.

I mean,

if you stop and dwell on these two things, if you stop and think, whenever Alex cries and says, I've turned on Trump, he gets a million articles about how great it is that people can turn on Trump for a while.

But that's still whatever.

For traffic.

You know, Schaden Freud, if you like.

Or if he's angry at something, they go, look at how wrong this guy is.

You know, like that.

Tons of attention.

Everybody benefits.

You got your clicks from all sources.

Everybody Everybody loves it.

Him maybe being directly responsible for political assassinations.

What am I going to watch his show?

Fuck off.

Right.

And that's what's really interesting about this.

He still feels the need to do this.

And I think it's more for that pacification and reassurance of the audience than it is like he's actually concerned about people thinking this guy was a fan of his.

He just doesn't want the listener to associate with the motives that this guy clearly had.

Yep.

Yep.

It just feels like grasping at straws, too.

Like, am I supposed to believe by this point Alex still hasn't learned that the people in the shooter's wife, that she had in the car, were her children?

Yeah.

In order for me to believe that Alex doesn't know this, I'd have to also accept that Alex is wholly uncurious about this story, and he's trying to give the impression on his show that he's very curious about it.

Something stinks.

We got to get to the bottom of this.

Here's the thing, right?

And I think this is

maybe my personal failing, right?

But for him to not have been the exact thing that he was, right?

For this conspiracy to have been whatever it needed to be to function, that wound up with this result, required believing so many different unusual and borderline impossible things happened in a row that even if you believed it to be true, it's just too much effort.

Go with the official story and move on with your life, right?

Sure.

Think about how much work it is to try and say this shit instead of being like, well, the obvious happened.

You know?

Yeah.

Well, and I think that,

I mean, like, I don't want to say, don't be curious and don't question things or anything like that.

No.

But I do think that when you have

like a clear demonstration of someone who's doing that behavior here in the part of Alex.

And in order to make it in any way acceptable to do that, you have to lie and exaggerate and fudge details like the wife is in the car with all these people in their passports.

You know, you have to do that in order to justify your quote-unquote suspiciousness.

Totally.

And I think that that comes off poorly.

Yeah, especially if you could just be like, hey, isn't this weird?

And then move on.

Yeah.

And like, oh, this is weird.

Click, click, click.

Oh, let me read about this.

Oh, that makes sense.

Yep.

It was their kids.

Moving on.

Right.

Done.

It's the difference between having a sincere curiosity and a drive towards questioning events that happen in the world

and just wanting to use that costume.

Self-motivated need.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Alex is deep in suggesting that the roommate of the shooter is an actor and he goes to the well that he loves to go to.

Great.

So

is Vance Bolter Bolter a Patsy?

Well, I know this.

All the available evidence is he's a Democrat.

His wife's a Democrat.

To whom?

Is this available?

To a Democrat.

Oh, but he likes Trump.

And the shooter supposedly likes Trump, the elect shooter, and he really likes InfoWars.

And then some comments about InfoWars.

Well, I know it's not really true, but I like it too.

Oh, well,

let's call David Carlson.

Maybe he's just a wacky, goofy guy.

Maybe he just comes off like a during the headlights.

Maybe he just comes off.

It's very disingenuous.

Maybe he just comes off like he's reading off a script.

Like when the cops show up at Jesse Smollett's house, he's got a little string around his neck, a fake scratch of makeup on his face, singing 23 below zero at 2:30 at night.

He went to Subway that wasn't even open,

and that two men jump out, put MAGA hats on him, pour bleach on him, call in the N-word, and say, MAGA.

I said, that's fake.

And I was right.

Now, I'm not saying this guy's reading off a script.

In what way are you not?

He is.

Yeah, that's crazy.

He said at the end, oh, you screamed over.

I'm not saying that he's an actor, but it's my opinion that he is.

And that's cool.

So the Jussie Smollett incident happened over six years ago, and he got in serious trouble for what he did.

He served time in jail and had to pay some heavy fines.

And the only person still talking about this is Alex.

Yep.

And I would argue, and I don't know if it's necessarily wrong for this, you know, like

I think he's suffered more consequences than Alex has.

Yeah, 100%.

And like, it is a crime to file a false police report and that stuff.

So, you know, there are consequences that should come along with that.

But I think it is funny-ish that he had to serve some time in jail, and Alex has not faced any kind of consequences like that for the things that he does.

Jesse Smollett wasn't a weird guy who was sincere, but just seemed like he was reading off a script.

He was a guy who carried out a hoax.

This is the opposite type of example Alex should be pulling out based on the argument he's trying to make about this roommate.

Alex is saying that he's not saying the roommate is an actor, but it's his opinion that he's an actor.

And I would reply to that, what's the difference?

This is a show where we're supposed to think that Alex knowing what time it is in the middle of the night is proof that God chose him to fight the devil.

So his opinions tend to carry a lot of weight.

A normal person could make a distinction between a fact they're reporting and an opinion, but this show only exists because Alex has made those things the same.

They're indistinguishable.

Yeah.

Also, Alex is he very clearly said that people should call David Carlson in that clip.

I'm not sure if he meant to say that, but he can't be that irresponsible.

He literally said the guy's name and said, let's call him.

I don't even know how to respond to that other than like, why not?

Let's see.

At a certain point, Thelma and Louise are going off the cliff, so fucking go, man.

Hit the gas.

Let's see how far this can go.

Go crazy.

I don't want to support that.

Sure.

But I understand where that reaction comes from.

I don't, I don't, I'm not saying you should do that.

Right.

I'm just saying.

But it seems like that might, it seems like the head state that he's in.

Yeah, it's, yeah.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

So he decides to make fun of Carlson a little bit and then pull it back in a little and be like, hey, leave the guy alone.

Wild.

I don't want to say anything more and implicate you in any way

because you

guys don't know anything about this.

But I love you guys, and I'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused.

Wow, so we're just all learning within an hour and a half of it happening that

Saturday that he's the guy,

Vance Bolter, he did it,

And Trump and InfoWars.

And I told him, I said, don't believe a lot of it.

I mean,

he was listening to it, though.

I like it too, though.

I like it too.

I like Trump, too.

I like it.

He liked Trump.

He voted for Trump.

He just, you know, Vance was just put on the board of the state by the governor because, you know, he's a good community guy.

So he said, you know,

well, yeah, the wife's a Democrat.

Yeah, but it's,

yeah, there's no King's Flyers in the police car, but, you know, it's

he loved Trump and Infowars.

Well, come on, Mr.

Carlson.

I want to hear all about this.

Everybody be nice to Mr.

Carlson, though.

He's a good person.

He might be a little simple-minded.

Kind of had these ideas put in his head.

I don't know.

Yeah.

So stop.

You don't know.

Stop doing this.

This is insane.

I do think that Alex is on the right track for what he's doing, though, with an idea of like, I want to get this guy on the show.

I want to hear all about this.

Because then that makes him like free reign.

If he agrees to come on the show, you can make a target out of him.

Anything you want.

Yeah.

And so I think that Alex is on the right track in terms of like, how can I make this somewhat excusable?

Oh, I'll exploit him.

Yeah.

But this sucks.

Yeah.

Shitty behavior.

Yep.

So Alex doesn't learn from his past mistakes, clearly.

Sure.

He's just doing similar things to what he did vis-à-vis Sandy Hook.

I mean, in a sense, you would have to face negative consequences for it to be a mistake.

Right.

Right.

So he hasn't learned from his not mistakes.

Right.

And in this next clip, there's another thing that should have some pretty serious consequences that,

weirdly, he hasn't faced any form.

And I was given Vegas Patsy information that I had to sign a non-disclosure with law firms, and

the Fed's got involved, and I'm not supposed to talk about it, and I agreed not to, so I'm not going to.

But let's just say I know a lot.

And that was a Saudi Arabian operation

with the deep sea.

The trouble over there at Stage Coup against those guys.

And so the Crown Prince is on board right now.

That's a good thing.

You're under arrest.

Wow.

I have this non-disclosure agreement that I signed with a law firm.

And let me break it for you.

I like the idea that you would be out at a bar with somebody and you're like, well, I can't talk about that.

I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with work.

But Alex could be on the everywhere and just be like, ah, whatever.

I'll tell you.

Without any prodding.

Nope.

Within 30 seconds.

Yep.

This is wild.

He can't not.

He can't not.

Yeah.

I signed a non-disclosure agreement when I got fired by Groupon.

Yeah.

And I had a joke about it that I would do on stage.

Yeah.

And it was because I didn't care.

Yeah.

Like, whatever the consequences were, like,

I didn't care.

Yeah.

This is different.

This is the feds.

This is the feds.

Alex signed something according to his story.

He's in deep trouble.

Unreal.

Yeah.

Good thing it's all made up.

Yeah, that is helpful.

That is helpful.

Yeah.

So one of the big things things that Alex is pushing on this episode is trying to be like, I predicted that this shooting in Minnesota is going to happen.

Like, I called it.

I mean, called and called for are very different things.

Very close.

I mean, they can be very close.

You're right.

And they might be identical.

In this regard, they may be identical.

But he's very invested in being like, I predicted this in order to be like, it's the globalist script.

Sure.

I called it in advance.

You know, this is all fake and shit.

So So he works on that angle here.

Vance Bolter arrested last night, turned himself in

out in the field to the SWAT team.

And he's an appointee by Walls.

His wife's a Democrat.

I'll show you a registration.

All of that.

And then we are told by his roommate.

That he's a big Trump supporter and likes InfoWars.

That's the first thing the media is told.

So you can have Drudge and Walls and all of them come out and say, oh, it's a MAGA maniac.

And you go into this guy's MO and background, there's none of that there.

And the police, they know that the police car he had had a bunch of no King's flyers in it.

And then what was I predicting?

Attacks on illegal alien demonstrations.

black churches that were pre-programming that, and or Governor Whitmer kidnapping or shooting of Democrat politicians, blamed on MAGA.

The Democrats would shoot their own people and blame us.

Now, I don't know exactly what's going on here, but

Vance Bolter's wife, the police thought it was suspicious, in a car full of other people with guns and ammo and passports.

So they all had passports.

Ah, these other people.

So it's very possible that Alex said that there could be another Whitmer type of event, but he's lying by saying that that was a main focus of his predictions.

He was constantly screaming about false flag mass shootings and car bombings at immigration or Gaza protests and about attacks on black churches.

If you listened to his show in the months prior to this, these predictions would have been beaten into your head.

And now what Alex is doing is that he's trying to insert what actually happened into that set of predictions.

This is a little sleight of hand trick that he uses to retroactively make himself look like a prophet.

Because if you're listening to this show, you'll hear him say that he's been predicting these things for months, and you'll remember him predicting the shootings at protests.

You'll be sure that he predicted that a ton.

So by grouping the shootings at Democrats' houses, Whitmer-type events, by grouping it in with that, Alex is banking on the audience, applying that memory to the whole collection of predictions when the thing that he was stressing the most did not happen and was part of his weird race war obsession.

So, that's what he's doing.

He's trying to be a prophet in reverse.

Yeah.

Yeah, it seems like a cheat.

It is.

You know, because it is.

Because when you predict something, it's it's in the future, which you don't know, which is famous

about the future.

You don't know it.

Right.

Right.

But if you did know it, that's cheating.

I think everybody instinctively knows this.

I think if you say, like, if we were just to sit down for like eight hours and I were just to predict everything.

Sure.

I was just like, oh my God, things are going to blow up.

Chicken's going to be so expensive in the future.

Right.

Gas is going to go away.

You know, like, I could just come up with a hundred fucking things.

Sure.

Many of them maybe even contradictory.

Sure.

I could later edit the good stuff together.

See, that's what we're talking about.

This is why.

That is cheating.

All good prophets need a timestamp.

You need a beginning, right?

When it was said and when it's going to happen.

None of this like vague ass stuff.

You need to be holding up a newspaper.

Absolutely.

And a quarter for scale.

You know what?

I'm starting to think that maybe

it's not been proven because there's so many things you would need to do.

Prophets are just they just don't have the time, really.

Well, here's what's interesting about Alex.

He does a radio show.

Yeah.

And so these prophecies and things, they're all captured on the tape.

It seems like he would have to be, I mean, it would be demonstrable that he was right all the time, right?

Well, and here he has a clip of him predicting this.

Great.

Perfect.

So he plays that in order to strengthen his case.

Excellent.

So let's play the June 12th prediction.

And they got a couple others from the week before where I was,

and I don't know if they, I haven't seen these yet.

I'm just told what's in them.

I know I said last week at least twice.

Somebody shoots some Democrats up, and then magically they find their phone or laptop, and they're a big listener of the show.

And

that's what we're now seeing.

So, wow, what a coincidence that I'd say that just last week,

and now that's what we're treated to.

Here it is.

There are hardcore anti-foot subgroups

that are 100% funded by the CIA, and I showed the documents earlier.

I'll go back over those with the new information

that are tacitly taking responsibility and cheering everybody on for bombings, fire bombings, assaults, attacks all over the country.

Hardcore communists, they're almost all academics,

and they get direct funding from Alexander Soros, and you can prove that.

And

you know cops are going to get killed in the next week.

So first off, this clip from the 12th doesn't predict that Democrats are going to get shot.

He's saying cops are going to get shot.

Right.

This is a different prediction entirely.

Yeah.

Second, and more importantly, this clip from the 12th is edited.

The original context of what Alex was saying was about him supporting police violence, and he was trying to make excuses for Eric Adams' flagrant corruption because he's cooperating with Trump and ICE.

Here is the larger context of that same clip that Alex just played.

I was driving to work one day early.

It's like 5:45.

Did you know that time?

In South Austin, and cut off to get some gas, and there were homeless people running around with baseball bats, faces bleeding, half naked, killing each other in the streets.

And it was like I was in a zombie apocalypse.

I'm sorry, I'm ranting.

I got to get to the news.

It's just

they flipped a switch.

They defunded the police.

They started prosecuting cops that defended themselves.

And And

the police tell us all this, too.

I mean, I see it.

The cops tell me all this.

And if a cop, if it's anywhere questionable,

you know, where a suspect overpowers the police, gets out of handcuffs, they try to grab the cop's gun.

It's on video.

This is a case in Austin.

Cop pulls the gun away, shoots the guy.

Jose Garza indicts you.

Who's going to go do jobs like this?

You ever been out in the middle of the night and had five dudes jump you?

And then you pull your gun and shoot one, and then they say, Well, you shouldn't have done that.

We're going to indict you.

Well, you go out in the middle of the night and these things then.

So

they know what they're doing to break down society.

So I'm going to get into the Iran situation coming up, but I'm going to hit the really big domestic thing right now, okay?

There are hardcore anti-foot subgroups

that are 100% funded by the CIA, and I showed the documents earlier.

I'll go back over those with the new information

that are tacitly taking responsibility and cheering everybody on for bombings, firebombings, assaults, attacks all over the country, but particularly New York.

And they're promising because Eric Adams pledged that he would help Homan, and he's done a

half-assed job, but he's not having the cops block the feds doing constitutional duty.

So, because he's in a balancing act in New York, but he,

of all the blue cities, he, you know, did what he said he was going to do overall.

And

for that, they had the fake political charges that Biden put on and dropped.

People go, oh my God, that's corruption.

No, that's how stuff works.

I mean, you can be a mobster who's killed people.

Those are not exclusive.

You're a mobile organization.

You know, you

serve a year in prison or you go free.

Witness protection program.

So Adams didn't even do anything with the indictments on him comparatively with money or something.

He didn't have a proof of it.

So

now these groups are telling New York, we're going to kill the police.

And they've got OpenX accounts and Instagram accounts.

And these are really dangerous people.

Hardcore communists.

They're almost all academics.

And they get direct funding from Alexander Soros.

And you can prove that.

And

you know cops are going to get killed in the next week.

So, that clip has now been edited to retroactively make it look like Alex is predicting that the globalists are going to kill some Democratic politicians and blame him, except even the edited version doesn't make that point, but there's still all of this stuff edited out to change the image of what Alex was saying in that clip.

This is all an act, and everyone involved in producing this knows that they're lying.

You cannot play this edited clip of Alex making this prediction that isn't even the right prediction without knowing, oh, we are fucking lying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, okay.

So here's the thing that confuses me about situations like this with people like this, right?

There is when a thing is a thing, it's a thing, or it's not a thing.

Not very complicated, you know?

That kind of thing.

You can become closer to that thing, but it will still not be that thing.

It doesn't matter how close the frog gets, if it only ever jumps halfway, it's never going to get there.

You know?

Like,

they said yes is more close to something that would be a prediction that would be what he was saying.

Right.

But it is still not the thing.

No.

Even if the editing that they carried out worked, it wouldn't achieve the goal.

It still wouldn't be the thing.

But it's close enough for the background static that looks like proof that Alex's audience demands.

And so it feels kind of like he's predicting something that's close to what happened.

Yeah, I guess.

So

it's an act of

gross manipulation that I agree with you, even if successfully fully pulled off, should not convince a rationale.

Yeah, it's still not the thing.

Yeah.

Even if you edit it as well as you possibly could to curate it as well as possible.

Like you don't have the words necessary to make the thing you want.

You can deprive the original of context, but you would need to add to it to make it what you need it to be.

That's great.

Here's something that occurs to me, right?

This is a thing that occurs to me now because we live in the present that he doesn't have back then.

You can no longer say that like intelligence agencies are working against Trump, right?

Ah, because the simplest and most obvious thing that any intelligence agency working against Trump could do would just be release the Epstein list, right?

Even you have it.

You had it before Trump was president.

Maybe.

You know, like you've, you've got to have it.

Yeah.

Right?

No, look, that's not even necessary.

Like, the shit that Alex believes that intelligence agencies are capable of, everyone would be dead.

Yeah.

Like, not everyone in the world, but all of these people

who pose a threat would be dead.

Right.

Like, they they have shaped the course of history for the last 250 years.

Or whatever.

What are we doing with CI people paid academics?

Come on, get out of here.

So, Alex keeps on playing the clip from the 12th on his show, on this 16th show.

He plays it multiple times.

No, no, he plays more of it, and it goes on.

And I think as he's playing it, he starts to realize, like, shit, this doesn't work.

This isn't actually produced.

It's not the thing.

No.

And I think even he realizes it and has to bail.

Okay.

And then Trump sends in the military.

And then

behind the military, behind ICE, from an apartment or from a van or from a high-rise or from a, their favorite thing in these would be a parking garage.

A Trump supporter, supposedly, who'll be found dead.

They'll be found dead, maybe three or four of them,

will open fire into these crowds.

And then that gives the pretext because all of this, as I told you, will blow up in their face once they start the riots

unless they have the final ingredient.

And it's not just I can extrapolate that out with deduction, knowing the enemy operations over the decades.

I call it revolutions like Operation Gladio in Europe.

That's what this is.

All right, let's stop there.

There's a lot more of this to go.

These are pretty good ones.

I know I specifically said

Governor Whitmer-style kidnapping, shoot some Democrat politicians, then find the shooter, and they're a Trump InfoWar supporter.

I know that's there.

You heard it, so there you go.

There you go.

There you go.

I did it.

I didn't do it, but I did it.

You know, I did it.

Alex has lost the step because there's a very easy way to do this, and that is the reason that the No Kings flyers were in the car was that he was planning to do exactly what I predicted in that clip, and the globalists stopped him because I predicted it.

Done.

Boom.

Done and done.

Yes.

Every time.

This is not a problem, but he doesn't prepare at all.

He's not able to, like, it's, it's so lazy.

I like that this now gives the impression that it's possible for prophets to have like B-side prophecies.

You know, like, that one was pretty good.

It was pretty good.

But that's not my top-tier prophecy shit.

You know, like, that one was like, yeah, you are going to get some McDonald's, but that's not really that good of a prophecy because you were probably going to go anyways, right?

Sure.

Sure.

Yeah,

it's not a greatest hits.

It's not the best.

It's not the best.

We can't all do Roxanne, okay?

You know what?

Like, the people who wrote the Bible,

they didn't just live

the time they wrote the Bible.

You know, like, they had longer lives.

They probably wrote other stuff.

Okay, okay.

I was going to say.

Right, right, right.

There's probably a lot of stuff that's fine.

Sure, yeah.

Yeah.

Like, all the letters to the Thessalonians didn't make it into the final Bible.

You'd think.

I think there's probably some more back and forth.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, how's Terry?

How's she doing?

You know, like, those would be there, but it's not in the letters.

Right, right.

Or like response letters.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

How fucking dare you?

Fuck up the fuck you.

We'll do Jesus our own way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Alex takes calls

and a lot of them are boring and dumb.

Sure.

And being like, oh, I can't believe they're trying to pull this stiff and blame you.

Who cares?

It's shocking to hear people who are falling for that kind of nonsense.

But there is a heartbreaking side of this, too.

And that is embodied by this caller whose wife is an immigrant and

has a question for Alex.

Uh-oh.

Hey, Alex, great to talk to you, finally.

Been a long time listener.

Yes, sir.

I wanted to call and talk about the illegal immigration with,

you know, I know you know there's a whole lot of good people that are here, and

I want to know if there's anything, like

I married an illegal, and I want to know if there's any proactive steps that we could take to maybe get on a list of,

you know, leave this one alone or whatever.

We've been in the system trying to get, we've gone through two lawyers, we've spent thousands of dollars, and just

the speed of the government.

Well, it goes back to lawyers for decades.

They've kept it broken on purpose.

So if you legally try to get here, it's super hard.

But if you come illegally, the Democrats came out just last week, what we already knew, they were giving them all social security numbers.

Right.

And then the NGOs give them other people's social security numbers to steal money, and the NGOs keep part of it.

So the crime is so massive, the gangrene is so bad that

they're going to have to

hurt some people that aren't bad because

if they don't, the whole country goes down.

Sorry, your wife's got to get hurt.

So Alex should realize in the moment that he's talking to this guy that

the fact that his wife does not have access to all of these things that illegals are supposed to get is kind of proof that his claims are bullshit.

This guy is

living the experience of trying to do things, quote unquote, the right way.

And he's, he's saying,

how do I make clear that we're the good ones?

My wife is okay.

And Alex is saying, you can't.

Buddy.

Sorry.

Sorry,

you've been referencing a lot of books, I bet, for a long time that would explain very clearly how this situation goes.

Yeah.

It's not good for you.

No.

No.

And I think that Alex's response is more or less like, I don't care.

I mean,

if it were honest, it would be like, yeah.

yeah, we want her gone too.

You shouldn't have married her.

You're ruining the blood.

You know?

Dumb, dumb.

That's the goal.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's like.

When I talk about a bigger project here and there's a larger goal, what do you think I'm talking about?

I mean, it's.

Okay.

I get it.

Nobody.

ever gets a good moment with their con man where the con man goes, I was conning you.

Right.

You know, that doesn't happen.

Yeah.

But sometimes you have to be like, shit, I was getting conned.

You know, you should.

You should.

And as this call goes on, I really think that that is what this caller should be feeling.

My family's been here since the original 13th colony, you know, and she know, you know, she did come here illegally, and but now she's, I mean, it's been 20 years, almost 20 years since she's been here, and she's been in the system for over 10, 12 years.

We've been married for seven or eight now.

And we just, like I say, we've spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

And now just because of the feet of the government, we're at risk of getting.

And Holman also says, he says he's not going to split up families.

Well, what does that do to my family?

Is he going to deport me and my kids and grandkids?

Or is he going to split my family up?

It's by the Democrats flooding at least 20 million illegals the last four years in.

They will steal every fisher election if we don't deport millions.

So

that is the crisis that they put us into of total lawlessness.

So fuck your family.

It's really heartbreaking to hear a call.

I mean, you have to presume presume sincerity, I guess, on the part of the callers.

Like,

if someone's just making up a situation, then, you know, you can't prove that either way.

But assuming that this person is coming from a sincere place,

this story is heartbreaking.

It is someone who has brought about and advocated for their family's own terror,

being terrorized.

And he's calling this person who has endorsed that and convinced him that it's necessary that his family be terrorized.

And he's like, hey, can we get a pass on the terror?

And I'm saying, no,

no.

I mean, you know,

it is something that I think people imagine in themselves, that idea of like, I will compromise my belief systems for the greater good.

You know, like if I'm, if I'm put into this situation where,

you know, like

fuck it, like, during the civil rights struggle, you know, like, I want to go further.

I want to go deeper.

But you know what?

We've got this compromise.

This is going to do the best for the greater good.

And time is going to go on and we're going to be able to keep fighting and keep doing this stuff.

But I am going to sacrifice what I personally believe for the greater good, right?

And then to see the greater good come about.

That's, it's, you know, it's what you're supposed to dream of, really.

To sacrifice your belief system and then to discover that not only have you not made the greater good but you've made everything worse and now you're going to be punished for it is just horrifying like to do that to somebody like this guy if we have to assume sincerity in some instance sooner or later yeah this guy truly believes that while he was doing all of this horrible shit that everybody told him was going to come back and fuck him up well no he couldn't have imagined that because it was just for the mass murderers that had taken over the streets and all the gangs who had taken over cities and stuff.

You know, that's all we're trying to do here.

Yeah.

We're trying to make sure that that's taken care of.

And also, fuck your wife and your family.

It doesn't matter to me because we have a white nationalist project that we're trying to advance here.

Yeah.

You know, that's what sucks about that, right?

Is that if you were talking to that guy two months ago.

He probably sucks.

He'd say the same thing that you just did, though.

Like, I would say, like, this is going to come back and fuck you up and yada, yada, yada.

Yeah,

he probably has a lot of beliefs that are fucking horrible and we wouldn't see eye to eye on.

Right.

It's still possible to empathize.

Well, I mean, but just then also realize he wasn't even using his own words.

He's saying shit that people were lying to him about.

He's just repeating lies from somebody else.

Yeah, because people like Alex had been successful in inciting this level of fear that got him to the point where he would essentially vote in someone who would kick his wife out of the country.

Yep.

So it's just bleak.

You get calls like this periodically, and like it's very difficult to hear something like this and Alex's response being so, I don't really care, kind of like, hey, sorry you're going through this, but it's just kind of what we have to do.

I mean, you know, it is tough.

It's tough because it's a little bit, it's a little bit like if you've talked to a grandparent who's been cons, who's been taken in for a couple of grand, you know, like there's, there's people at the walgreens who buy these gift cards and they have to put up signs now like if somebody's asking you to buy gift cards it's probably a scam you know like that's what it is because so many people get scammed and at the same time you're like

nobody from the government is dick balls 6969 man you should know this shit well right i don't know i mean elon's well now we all now we are you know now it is but at the same time it is like this guy believes some shit, but you should fucking know.

You should have fucking known.

Well, I think you should have fucking known.

He should have, and you wish, you wish you would know.

Yeah.

But

a feature of this propaganda and stuff is also making you feel like you're not going to be the target of the extreme escalation that you're trying to put on other people.

And anybody who's listened to Alex's show for longer than a few years would know know that that is a big part of his world.

Should have fucking known.

Yeah.

The whole 2009 P-NAC or MIAC document and all of this stuff is, you know, hey, you want to do all this stuff to terrorists, but it's just going to be turned around on you.

Everyone should have known better, and Alex should know better, but he doesn't because he doesn't care.

You only hear the stuff you wanted to hear from those people.

And they only say what is profitable.

Crazy.

So Alex has another topic that he wants to cover, and that's Bilderberg.

Because Bilderberg happened.

Yeah.

And he has vague memories of covering it in the past.

And so

he's trying to cover it on the angle of like, they're trying to bring in socialism and communism based on climate change.

That's what they're doing.

Back at it, huh?

Yeah.

We're going to 2001 on this shit.

Yeah, and so he's going down this path.

and

the first thing that he ends up talking about as evidence of this is Christia Friedland, the Canadian politician,

giving a commencement speech.

And I thought this was very strange.

So here's a key member of the WEF's Board of Trustees and Deputy PM of Canada.

Christina Frieland openly declares war on the concept of democracy or free countries in the name of tackling climate change.

Here she is.

Our time of tranquility is over and we are living in an age of change.

We're living through what President Biden on a visit to my country in March

called an inflection point.

A time of transformation, he said, that comes once every five or six generations.

Super turning.

Now, like it or not, you are graduating into that inflection point.

What is this inflection point?

What is this upheaval which is going to the roots of humanity itself?

There are many ways to describe this transformational moment, but I think they all come down to one fundamental question.

Does capitalist democracy still

work?

That's the question being posed around kitchen tables in my country and this one as parents wonder if our children can count on capitalist democracy's essential promise of a future more prosperous than our present.

It is the question being posed by our shrinking glaciers and our warming oceans, which are asking us, wordlessly but emphatically, if democratic societies can rise to the existential challenge of climate change.

Now, yeah, climate change is the reason everything's going to collapse.

Not them turning off the energy.

Not them dismantling industrial civilization.

Not them giving you college degrees that are near worthless or worthless.

Headline, Wall Street Journal.

Young graduates are facing an employment crisis because there's no jobs for the worthless degrees they've gotten.

So they're the ones dismantling the human infrastructure on record.

Now they come as the savior and say getting rid of people's freedoms is going to be the answer to countering this.

And you notice almost all the people in the crowd graduating, I'd say 70% are women.

That's because in the U.S., about 65% of college graduates graduating are women, upwards of 70% in Canada.

So, first off, this is a commencement speech that Christia Freeland gave in 2023 at Fenway Park.

It's a northeastern university in Boston.

So, I don't know what Canadian graduates' demographics have to do with this.

Second, if you've ever heard a speech before, you probably wonder if her speech includes an answer to the question, does capitalist democracy still work?

Probably not.

Literally right after where Alex's clip cuts off, she says, quote, now these are

of course huge and fundamental challenges, but I'm not here to counsel despair or retreat.

Yeats famously said of another generation that came of age in a liminal moment that the best lacked all conviction while the worst were full of passionate intensity.

Spend a few minutes on social media and you may be tempted to adopt that as an apt description of our time.

But I disagree.

Indeed, I disagree with passionate intensity.

You have to be a real dipshit to hear that snippet of her speech and think that the answer was that no, capitalist democracies have run their course.

You have to be so stupid to hear that and not understand, hey, what's the format of a commencement speech?

Third, that clip is edited.

Here is the clip that Alex played.

Here's the portion of it that Alex played.

Does capitalist democracy still

work?

That's the question being posed around kitchen tables in my country and this one, as parents wonder if our children can count on capitalist democracy's essential promise of a future more prosperous than our present.

It is the question being posed by our shrinking glaciers and our warming oceans, which are asking us wordlessly but emphatically.

So, curiously, here is that section unedited.

That's the question being posed around kitchen tables in my country and this one as parents wonder if our children can count on capitalist democracy's essential promise of a future more prosperous than our present.

It is the question being posed in the muddy and bloodied trenches of Bakhmut

as Ukraine's brave Democrats resist the invading forces of Putin's dictatorship.

And it is the question being posed by our shrinking glaciers and our warming oceans, which are asking us wordlessly but emphatically.

So part of that editing out has to do with it being anti-Putin, but the other part is that it overcomplicates the narrative that Alex is trying to sell.

He's trying to paint the picture that Freeland is saying that because of climate change, everyone needs to give up capitalist democracy.

And by editing out the part where it makes it clear that climate change was just one item on a list of challenges we're facing, Alex has created a straw man for him to argue with because he's a lying, lazy dipshit.

Yeah.

Also, it is just funny that the part that's cut it out there is the part that's critical of Putin.

Yeah, that is fun.

And you know why that's funny?

Because Alex has a guest

at the end of this episode.

Victor Boot is a very famous, well-known Russian.

He is a minister in a regional government, a leader in his party.

He's a former political prisoner here in the United States for 10 years, where he listened to me in prison.

That's how he knows the show.

And he's really respected around the world and in Russia.

Respect is an interesting how Russia sees the Iran-Israel conflict.

You know, fear is a kind of respect.

There's something to be said about respect there.

Yeah, you do get a lot of respect as an arms dealer selling weapons to terrorist groups and shit.

So, yeah, Alex has Victor Boot back on.

I'll give you one guess as to what his agenda is.

Probably saying that it's time for Putin to give up the fighting.

No, you're shaking your head.

No, I feel like that's a good starting point.

It's mostly Russia's cool.

Oh, he hasn't gone pacifist?

Oh, wild.

You know, he has an interesting take on the Iran-Israel thing, too, which is Iran is cool.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Wild.

Wouldn't have expected that from a

guy like Victor Boot.

So.

You know what strikes me?

What's that?

Right?

There's.

The brazenness of this.

No, no, no, no.

This video.

This...

Who is catching...

You know, like, there are millions of people now who exist online who are just searching for shit like this.

Just searching for shit like this.

And then they grab a little clip and then it shows up because Alex desperately needs shit like this.

A two-year-old commencement speech that's been edited.

Yeah, there's...

Everybody all the time is not doing this.

Like, it is so crazy to me that they're using these types of clips to prove how pervasive and how obvious all this stuff is.

And then it's like a commencement speech from two years ago that no one would ever have known even happened.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

And doesn't really matter.

Doesn't mean anything.

I think that it's funny that Alex traffics in that kind of information and then yells about how the dinosaur media always lies.

Yeah.

All this inaccurate information.

You're just pulling dumb shit from Twitter and

desperately licking Russian boots.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's fucking insane.

And the reason that I think that this is a good place for us to wrap up is that at the beginning of this episode, we're talking about Alex trying to make Iran and Israel and Russia and Ukraine these kind of comparable situations where it's globalist destabilizations trying to hold the world hostage and what have you.

He has Victor Boot on and launders his reputation

because he's a high-level Russian guy who he wants to be friends with.

Well Well respected.

Right.

Is there an equivalent of that in the situation with Iran and Israel?

It's not.

There's not because it's different.

He is a very big fan of Big Fan of Russia.

Wild.

Loves that shit.

I think you should go pacifist.

I think that would be fun.

Because there's no reason for Victor Boot to really give a shit about Infowars, you know?

Like, he doesn't care.

Like, oh, what if they don't invite me back on?

I'll be fine.

You You know, like,

just one day, fuck around with Alex.

Just really fuck with him.

Because I bet he wouldn't, he wouldn't fight back.

I think you could fuck around with him for sport, but I also think that

I wouldn't be so sure if there's no consequences.

Well, I mean, for...

This is a guy.

Do you think that Putin or do you think the higher-ups are going to give a shit if he's fucking with Infowars?

I think he's there for a reason.

Oh, I see, because here's what I think.

I think he maybe did listen while he was in prison and he's just having fun.

I don't think so.

What could they possibly need from Alex?

In this case, definitely pushing the Russia is great, and Iran is great.

Sure, but I mean, come on.

I think that there are very few platforms that would book Victor Boot for an American audience.

See, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Right?

Right.

Okay.

I think.

Here's what I think.

Okay.

Real good chance he's fucking with Alex.

Right.

Real good chance.

Right.

But also, it's very difficult for me to think of:

hey, here's this guy who's an international arms dealer who was held prisoner and then was exchanged for Britney Grinier in a high-profile prisoner exchange

that the Russian government worked out.

He's gone back.

He is now a politician,

elected official in Russia,

and he's just randomly for fun going on infowars and spreading geopolitical propaganda.

It seems difficult to imagine that that path leads to a guy who's just fucking with Alex Steve Pachenik style.

It seems more like, hey,

here's a media opportunity.

Alex is desperate and will put on anybody,

especially if they're Russian.

I don't know.

I wonder,

here's a question I have for you.

I think if he went against Russian foreign policy on Alex's show, he might get a visit.

I think you're right there.

I think if he out and out was like, Russia's bad, I think that's definitely a different story.

I think if he was supporting Ukraine,

he might not be in office much more.

Yeah, that's definitely true.

Here's what I'm thinking, right?

Now that I'm past it.

Do you think Victor Boot is like, I was exchanged for a WNBA player?

You know what I mean?

Like, he's a merchant of death.

Yeah.

He merchants of death.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, but, you know, I think even he could understand celebrity.

Oh, it's nice to be out.

But also that Brittany Grinier was a high-level.

One of the best, one of the most famous, absolutely fantastic.

She's very good, you know?

Yeah, but I don't think that's diminishing your value as the Lord of War.

I'm saying that I don't know what it would mean for an ego that's invested in being a merchant of death, you know?

Yeah.

I would be fine with it.

I'd be like, hooray, I'm out of prison, you know?

But I don't have the ego necessary to sell weapons of mass destruction to people.

He seems fine.

He does seem fine.

He seems fine with it.

He seems fine.

I think that

if I were him, which I would never be.

Obviously.

But should I find myself in that position.

It's possible.

I would definitely go pacifist because I think I have plumbed the depths of violence.

You've probably gotten as much as you're going to get out of it.

Yes.

Right?

I nailed it.

It's time to move on.

I have gotten a second lease on life, and

not much more interesting things can happen with guns and farms.

Really, I've done all of the stuff, honestly.

Maybe I'm just over it.

And I got away clean.

I'm over it.

I mean,

I did my time.

It's time to be a vegan.

Yep.

It's time to move to incense.

Totally.

I don't know what else to do.

That's 100%.

These are the things I sort of pacifism.

Beanbag chairs, incense, pacifism, and weed.

Veganism and weed.

That makes sense.

Hard not to see the parallels.

Anyway, Alex is a clown, and

we may need to speed up a little bit because the Epstein stuff is, you know,

shit has moved fast.

I mean, all of this feels totally irrelevant, even though it's very important.

Yeah,

it is a question of like

how important is geography really in terms of how we process things?

Because the way that this assassination has felt like, it's felt like people are treating it the same way they would treat a political assassination in a different country.

You know, like, is it really just like, oh, well, Minnesota's Minnesota.

It's its own place.

Right.

You know, because we would always

have imagined for the longest time, if there was a political, political assassination in the United States, it would be huge.

Well, it was.

I mean,

Gabrielle Giffords when they tried to shoot her.

Absolutely.

Like, that wasn't even a successful assassination, and we still remember her name and everything about this years later.

Totally.

I don't know that people are going to remember Melissa Hortmann's name as a really important

inflection point in politics.

And that is weird.

That feels very weird to me.

It's wild.

It does not feel like the environment that I remember growing up in.

Yep.

It feels like this would have been a moment of sorrow for the country.

Yeah.

It really does feel like there would have been a whole day.

You know?

Probably more.

Like, of, at the very least, they would have been like, oh, we're doing a whole thing today, you know?

Yeah.

Wow.

Fucking wild.

Yeah.

Anyway, we'll check in, see where Alex is at, no other dumb bullshit.

Yep.

But we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's KnowledgeFight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.