Episode 641: Listener Tales 94

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Hey, weirdos.

I'm Alena. I'm Ash.
And this is Marvin. It's Marvin.
We're ourselves again, honey. I don't know why we got one there but it felt right we tried a transatlantic thing i think almost it's like when we did the bob haired bandit and i tried so hard to be transatlanticism and i just wasn't it's atlanticism you know death cap for cutie we did a whole thing yeah you know what there's a before tiktok goes away we might as well start with just nonsense insert uh yeah before tiktok goes away there's this comedian on there her name is carissa and i want to find her real her full name carissa she she her whole act is she's like this uh something darling is her name and she does this like she does crowd work in a transatlantic accent in full like gown and she's just like what's your name darling like it's just like that was yeah and she does the whole act like that that was good and she's fucking hilarious so so carissa go find her go find her and find out where she goes i'm gonna find her on there while we continue because so i can shout her out i'm not fully convinced that tiktok's going anywhere i don't think anybody really is yeah and if it is like i'll be like a little bit sad for probably like two days and then i'll be like wow look at all this stuff i completed in my free time yeah right it eats up a lot of my time it's true so i don't think it's that bad of a thing in that case in that scenario but no but I do feel bad for like creators who have made like a living on there.

Well, that's the thing.

It's been around for how many years?

And it's like when you've made a living off of this.

It's like your actual job.

Yeah.

Like our girl Isabel.

Oh, our girl Isabel.

I don't know what I'm going to do without Isabel's videos.

Isabel.

Annalie.

Annalie.

Tyler.

Ghost funny.

Michaela.

What am I going to do when I can't go to Pato?

Like we got to Pato.

I'm going to be so sad when I can't go to Po it's uh carissa hendrix by the way carissa hendrix let me see go find her and she's so pretty she just like roasts people like in the but but in like the most classy way that's my dream job i love her we kind of do that actually she's really funny so just go find her anywhere i don't know find that girl, Carissa Hendricks. But yeah, I don't know.
We just went with a 20s theme today. Yeah, just kind of, I don't even know whose idea this was.
Maybe it was Mikey. Mikey, was this your idea? You mentioned it during the bonfire band of the day.
Boom, there it is. There it is.
It was our idea. Speaking of like actual regular episodes, this is an actual episode, but it's's listener tales um so we are going to put out rodney part two rodney alcala part two on monday if you're watching this it's probably like thursday or like this came out on a thursday so we just wanted to have like a little breather after part one quick little palate cleanser yeah we're gonna get into some gnarly shit in parts two and three so this is like your um little send-off into that which is nice yeah yeah we love it yeah i picked the tales today um they are there's like sort of a theme i guess i feel like there's a theme but without a theme yeah i did like they're right i looked for like i i searched the word gatsby i searched the creepy doll and uh speakeasy i like that yeah all things that you know felt like they all make the time and even if they're not it makes sense yeah also i want to wear these gloves every day as you should also i had something really cool happen before this and i'm having trouble concentrating and i can't say what it is yet but it's awesome it is it's really cool i just have to say that we can't say too much because i feel i give things away so easily yeah like with my face and like even like one i'll say one thing and people are like i know exactly what you're saying and i'm like i was really trying to be trying to be undercover there try to be coy i could never be a narc no or well i guess maybe maybe i'd be a

good narc you just wouldn't be a good undercover like you couldn't be like an informant no no oh my god no i think about that all like we no i i think about that i think about that a lot when we do like cases where somebody wears a wire i'm like i could never first of all like my ibs could i would to shit myself just shit myself instantly. My IBS could never.
My IBS could not handle that. And neither could my delicate psyche.
Because we're one step away from a full break. I just laugh anytime I'm feeling any type of way.
I start laughing or smiling. So I'd be so shitty.
Remember the time that I was, I won't say who it is, but remember the time we had to go to a funeral together and we couldn't stop laughing because i just can't handle emotions no nothing was funny it was actually very sad but we were sat together in a church pew if you can fucking picture that and we just couldn't stop laughing we couldn't and my grandpa gave a eulogy and it was so boss it's true it was super great guy you know we were like oh god the greatest guy you know i freaking loved that guy but it's yeah i can't anytime to process an emotion i laugh or smile yeah it's really and i i often have to say i'm not finding this funny i'm i am upset like i have to tell people like i'm i'm upset i promise yeah that's your tism too It is it's part of that and so i don't it's just so this is the only way i know how to process anything so i'm just gonna like maniacally laugh for okay which this is a good thing yeah it makes sense do you want to go first do you think that will be helpful yeah i'll go first okay okay that's that sounds good dive in because i'm so happy oh gee morbid she's about to dive in everybody i'm about to dive in there it is oh that was really good alicia that was good is she here we need like a little like seance table in front of us which i feel like we're dressed for oh yeah you're you're actually i feel like something about the green is giving very madam leota oh Oh, I love that. Is it Leona or Leota? It's whatever you want it to be.
This is your show. It can be what you want it to be.
Like Trixie and Katya saying. And not yours.
So you can make it whatever you want. I wish we took that tagline.
I know. Like I wish we thought of it.
That's a great tagline. They're better than us.
Like I wish we stole that from you. I wish we could steal it.
No, I love them. So should I do the time a ghost shoved peaches up my nose? Yeah, that one's really funny actually.
Just nose. I said nose.
I'm not really sure. I didn't even hear that you said nose.
You say whatever you want to say. I will because it's my show.
And not yours. Just kidding.
All right. So let's get to this.
All right. Hi there, spooky gals.
Hi. My name is Jessie.
Okay. I was making sure I could use it.
I i can use it i don't mind if you use it i appreciate you ladies and whatnot i would say all the mushy stuff but i'm not good at that neither is this one me neither i'm the mushiest gushiest so i'll just say you love us you love us we love you in fact i had to say something really mushy to john the other night you did i had like a moment you know. You know how you get that moment of feeling like overwhelmingly appreciative? Yeah.
Like you're just like, wow, you're so lovely. Yeah.
And I get to hang with you forever. Yeah.
And so I had all these like emotions about it. And he happened to be upstairs doing something.
So I texted him and I literally said, I don't know how to do this in person. So deal with it.
And he was like that first part of the text had me dying. Also, 18 years into marriage, I don't really know how to tell you how much I love you, so deal with it.
So deal with it, I'm going to text it to you. But he was like, he literally was like, I'm dying.
You're unreal. Sorry, I had a little piece of hair, just like one piece of hair.
Oh, that happens to me a lot. There it is, I got it.
So I just didn't want you to yell at me for touching my face. No, don't worry.
It's cool. So it says insert bunches of mush here.
LOL. Honestly, that's essentially what I did to John the other night.
I love that you did. You guys are the best and get what I mean.
I do. I love you.
I appreciate you. I respect you.
I previously sent this tale in, but after rereading it, due to my BFF Alyssa, you can use her name. Thank you because I used it, who also loves Morbid, by the way, thank you Alyssa, told me I severely spelled Ottoman wrong.
I mean, that happens. I would have done that too.
I don't spell things correct. I realized that in an effort to stay on topic and not get distracted a million times like I tend to do, that my tale was actually pretty short and needed more zest.
Oh, I I love zest. We love zest darling.
We're going for the zest. However if you want a quick one then feel free to use the original version.
I'm not picky. I want this one.
Yeehaw let's get into it. I'm from Florida hence my yeehaw.
I was wondering. Yeehaw.
Anywho I'm a full-time dog nanny. That's awesome.
Another dream job. That I could.
That I could fucking great job. That I could handle.
Yeah. I could do that.
My IBS could definitely take that. And they said, yes, you could call it a pet sitter, but dog nanny sounds way cooler.
I like dog nanny. I agree.
Dog nanny. Yeah.
A nanny for dogs. Yeah.
For context, back in the day, I used to groom dogs full-time and give them snazzy haircuts. I love that.
Shout out to Ash. I know it's not the same, but still, we were both some sort of hairstylists.
It's also probably better because dogs can't talk. Yeah, and you got to make those dogs look fresh.
Oh, it makes sense. One thing I'm going to miss about TikTok is watching dog grooming videos.
Yes. When they make them look like little teddy bears.
Little teddy bears. Little teddy bears, and they put the little bows on their hair.
Oh, I love it. I love that that.
Back then I didn't dog nanny much since I was focused on being a dog barber but there was a family with two dogs that I have always made time to nanny for and I have claimed the dogs as my own since then. I would do that too.
I visit them three to five times a week. I'd like to think if the doggies were to become parentless for whatever reason that they would come live with me over anyone else in the family.
I love how dark that thought is. If their entire family died, I feel like I would get custody of them.
I feel like if for some reason their parents just weren't here anymore, that I would get those dogs. If they just like vanished off the entire earth.
I love your mind. Yeah, it's good.
I've had dogs written to me in people's wills that's like high praise that's the highest of praise like truly are you leaving me your dogs damn you gotta i mean i trust you with them for sure but i wouldn't want to disrupt your cats because i care about those cats yeah thank you i care about those dogs yeah we'll figure it out we. We'll figure it out.
Off camera. It's cool.
She's not going anywhere. Yeah, you know, let's hope they stay alive because while I want all the dogs in the world, I already have two amazing fur babies of my own.
And if I end up with more, I may need to get a bigger house. Well, all righty.
For the first few years, the family mentioned above lived in a beautiful, safe-feeling house. Well, not anymore.
Uh-oh. Last year, they moved.
The pet parent, as I like to call it, had mentioned that her mother, who previously owned the home, left behind some antique items such as vintage mirrors, figurines, and the scariest dolls you have ever seen, all throughout the house. Plus, the house is covered in old-timey wallpaper, which isn't super relevant other than the spooky ooky vibes.
I love, which isn't super relevant, but spooky ooky. I love, like, vintage-y wallpaper.
Oh, me too. There's a wallpaper man at my house right now figuring out how much wallpaper I need to order.
Which is really badass. I'm so excited.
It makes me want to wallpaper things. I'm going to order so much wallpaper.
I love that. Flash forward to the first time I had a slumber party with the dogs there.
There was a double closet in the room I was staying in. I was hearing sounds from one side of the closet throughout the night, kind of like a tapping or soft banging noise.
I'm a scaredy cat in general, so this was a huge nope for me. I opened that side of the closet only to find creepy dolls in rocking chairs.
Specifically, doll-sized rocking chairs. You said in rocking chairs or and rocking chairs? In rocking chairs.
I just pictured like dolls on one side, multiple rocking chairs on the other. And these are dolls in their doll-sized rocking chairs.
Just tiny rocking chairs. Ready? I'm going to look at every camera and say no.
No, no, no. That's not even my camera, but I'm going to it and say no uh-uh uh-uh uh-uh not up in here no it reminds me of ma i love that bitch i love that bitch but at home in one of our hallways ma had i'm not shitting your dicks guys she had three had three, like, big, like, three three-story cases of dolls.
Yeah. And let me tell you, when you're, like, sneaking home at night after, like, a little...
The dolls? You sneak home at night fully sober. You walk up the stairs in the daytime at that house fully sober.
They're gonna eat you. The dolls.
They're coming at you. They're staring at you.
She're staring at you oh and i had to walk past every case to get to my room i think that's why so obviously i grew up in that house yeah i grew up with those dolls yeah that's your mom i am not freaked out by dolls and i think it's because i spent my entire formative years being exposed to those dolls being in my life at all times. I spent a lot of time being exposed to those dolls too.
And I hate them. I mean, I don't know what it did.
Because I think I'm just so used to them. I was used to her getting dolls for different holidays.
I think there's a puppy crying. There is a puppy crying.
She wants to say hello. She said, you're talking about dogs and I'm a dog.
Hello. That's definitely a blanche.
That's definitely a blanche. She said, I like the 1920s.
My name's Blanche. Can I wear a dress? But yeah, I'm not freaked out by dolls.
Like dolls don't freak me out in general. Like obviously a scary doll like a fucking Annabelle or something like that is going to give me like the willies.
But like, yeah, dolls in general, I'm just kind of like, losing all meaning doll doll now i'm just thinking world doll yeah um but yeah i don't like dolls what a journey that went on that's the inside of my brain for you now i'm thinking world and you know what james and the giant peach peaches peaches but the giant peach is world all right is yeah oh i thought you said james and the giant peach is a real doll right is yeah oh i thought you said james

and the giant peach is a real doll right and i said no did you see did you see the math going on

yeah it's real doll yeah we're here yeah no it is we're here we're here with you we're here we're

getting back into the story yeah it connects it connects with peaches here at first though again

i misunderstood you we're not getting back into it i thought you said roll call roll call mikey Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, the closet kept opening by itself overnight. No.
I would go to sleep only to wake up with it being open and seeing the creepy dolls staring into my mother freaking soul. Eek! My sister, who doesn't believe in ghosts, told me to compliment the dolls and ask them to chill, which I did.
I think she believes in ghosts then. She does, because she's like, you better make friends with them.
She said, be nice to them so they don't eat your soul. She said, which I did.
I told them they were very pretty, but were freaking me out. Not sure if it helped, though, or if you're supposed to talk to spooky dolls in general.
Oops. After this, it went on for days, to the point that I needed my boyfriend, a complete skeptic, to come stay with me out of fear.
He didn't believe any of it. The closet had those accordion-type doors that scrunch open.
He put an ottoman, or ottoman. I like that.
Whatever one. However you spell it.
Footrest thingy. I sure don't know how to spell it and still can't figure it out alissa thought i was trying to spell abdomen abdomen that's what i thought when i first read this tale i think it's o-t-t-o-m-a-n that's what i thought because i think it's ottoman or is that like ottoman empire who's that that's like that who the fuck is whose empire it's a time period oh which one the ottoman empire when was that i can't tell you i will i will claim ignorance on that i don't know what time period it was um there's also a vampire weekend song that played at our wedding called ottoman i like that song it was our cake cutting song it was mine was uh oh keep going sorry no you go ahead mine was i wanna be loved by you just you and nobody else not you i feel like we're on hinge today we are i am feeling like i am in orbit right technically i think aren't we all in orbit we are sober as a judge as always and i am in orbit right now.
Technically, I think aren't we all in orbit? We are sober as a judge, as always, and I am in orbit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Orbit.

Orbeat.

I am in space.

Oh, the Otto...

Ottoman Empire.

Oh, I thought you said...

No, no, I did think you said empire.

Did you just hear my stuff?

Yeah, I did, actually.

It was insane.

Did I catch on the fucking mic?

Oh.

The Ottoman Empire was an absolute and constitutional monarchy that ruled over a large area of oh i remember this it's in like the very low numbers yeah yeah the 14th well the 14th century to the early 20th century though i don't know a lot about it i will not claim to it's also known as the turkish empire There you go. Okay.
You know. All right.
So he put an ottoman, not the empire, but the footrest

thingy in front of the closet. So I would feel safe and would know that the closet wouldn't be

able to open. Well, there you go.
Joke's on him because the next morning, the other side of the

closet was open. He asked if I had done it, to which I said, no.
Uh-uh. No, sir.
No, no, boyfriend. No, sir.
I told you this place was spooky. It's spooky.
My goodness. Honestly, I'm glad he got spooked out because now he believes me.
After that, I hadn't stayed in the house until a month ago. This time I was offered to stay in a different bedroom, to which I gladly accepted.
Yes, please. There were no creepy dolls, but a few odd things.
There was an exterior house light right outside the window that would turn on and off throughout the night.

I figured it was a sensor issue, or at least that's what I tried to convince myself.

The bathroom would randomly make weird noises, like weird gurgle noises that sounded like they were coming from the ceiling.

That's the ghost of me.

Just gurgling up in the ceiling.

Yes.

That was me a second ago.

Yeah, did you guys hear that?

Yeah, my stomach was like...

We gotta like... I don't even know if we'll need to, but we need to see if we can like amplify yeah because i'm hungry me too maybe just another house issue the flipping wall made weird banging noises off and on too but i had to pretend it was all just a coincidence anyways because duh it's better to avoid problems it really is but then throughout the night and only at nighttime i would get an aggressive smell of peach in my nose.
That's nice. That is really nice.
At first, when I was reading it, I thought you were going to say pee. Yeah.
Pee wouldn't be great. Like urine.
Urine. Urine, but peaches? Peaches, I'll take.
I'm into it. Yeah.
Not like an aroma in the room, but like all the way up my nose.

How rude.

It is a little bit rude.

It was as if somebody actually shoved an entire ripe peach up my nostril.

No thanks, ghosty.

Maybe the dogs were farting and whoever in the afterlife felt bad and they were like,

you shouldn't smell bad because you're so sweet and you take care of these dogs.

They said, here's some peaches.

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It kept occurring the whole stay, only at random creepy times at night. At this point, I decided there was only one logical option.
I had to accept that the ghost really wanted me to know that they smelled good, because what else am I going to do? I'm stuck here for two weeks. I told the ghostie that I was just there to take care of the pups and asked it to chillax a little so that we could be, you know, buddies.
Not sure that helped either, since those occurrences kept happening over the two weeks. It's safe to say that I was a little bit sleep deprived, but peach ghosty never harmed me, so we're on good terms now.
Yeah, I would say so. Anyways, I've avoided the creepy dolls at all costs, since, like I said, I befriended my peachy ghost friend.
Maybe. I'm spending another week at the house now, so maybe I'll have more ghostly encounters.
Keep it weird, but not so weird that ghosts shove very fragrant peaches up your nose attaching pictures of the cute puppies just for fun below as well as scary dolls also going to add my personal fur babies because i love them so so so much i could just melt thanks for everything you guys really are the best so are you i love you oh those are scary the dolls also that scary ship captain doll is a little little much oh your puppertons wait i need to look at this look at them oh one of them is literally smiling shut up love them oh god i love puppertons wait i want to see the cat what the fuck i love puppertons oh yeah i don't like the captain it's like a ship captain statue yeah i don't know about that jesse i love it i love you i love alissa i love ottomans i love it all we're in orbit all right we're in orbit she's not okay i'm not okay i'm gonna read listener tale was my dog possessed yes maybe the theme is dogs the answer is yes the theme is fur babies um i literally picked this listener tale because you are so gorge and so is your partner and so are your dogs i showed it to you already oh that picture yeah that's yeah i was like wow and i was like pick that and then i said i want to look like you in my next life it's true she did all right so this listener tale i think i can say I think I can say her name. It's Hot Mess Pooches and it says, hey, ladies, I fucking love y'all.
I fucking love you. This is long as fuck.
Some of it's ADHD ramble, but oh, well. Cool.
We just did that for about 42 minutes on tale number one. And you're still here.
I did the double space large font put a pho because I'm old and did not wear my glasses while typing this because that would have been the smart thing to do. I've attached a story about the time i think my dog was possessed with a side story about how my uncle was not the circleville letter writer and how i almost got married in the rampart street murder house my life is fucking weird feel free to use my first name my last name may sound familiar and the first name is natalie oh there it is i was like i literally went like this waiting i was like do it i like what's the oh is it sue ann joanne joanne that's my favorite one she does hold on now i need water joanne i can't do it because i'll start coughing forever i know it hurts a little bit.
All right. My name is Natalie.
Feel free to use my name and any other names in my story. Will do, Natalie.
Will do, Natalie. Hold on, fuck.
M. Oh, man.
I don't remember exactly when I started listening to you because what the fuck is time anymore? But I will say.

Agreed.

You two have kept me company as I transported rescue dogs all over the country for the last few years.

Oh my goodness.

Your podcast has helped me keep my eyes peeled as I travel thousands of miles, often only accompanied by dogs.

You two have taught me a ton of lessons that have probably saved my ass.

Fresh air is for dead people.

Hell yeah.

And have helped validate my true disdain for humans.

I love that.

That's what we're here for. That is what we're here for.

I've been meaning to. People are good at people and you should know

that. Yeah.
Sometimes they people good.

Most of the time they people bad. They people good

so they people bad. And that's why we disdain them.

Exactly. I like using disdain as a verb.

Disdain. I like it.
Alright. I've been meaning

to write for a while but as the director of a

non-profit dog rescue. Bitch can you get any cooler? I hope you mentioned what it is because I'll say it.
Yeah. Anytime I would sit down and start typing, I would give into exhaustion and find myself falling asleep at my keyboard.
I understand that. A recent car accident, I'm sorry, finally forced me to slow down and gave me the time to write.
To tell you how long I've been trying to get a listener tilt into you, the case i was going to write to you about originally was actually covered in 2022 episode 328 whoa the circleville letter writer oh that was one of my favorite episodes that's a wild one that's a really interesting case this case is what sparked my interest in true crime why you may ask why all right i looked it up and it's i think it's fresh hour so paul fresh hour was my uncle some of my very first memories include visiting him in prison when i was just a young whoa when the unsolved mysteries uh episode about the case came out my dad sat me down and we watched together my family didn't talk about the case very often but none of us believed that my uncle paul was capable of attempted murder you remember that yeah he ended up getting put away in prison for like 10 years damn and that's your uncle and i wasn't so sure about that either yeah he was actually the person this man would have given you the shirt off his back and was the first to ask how many dog how my dogs were at my family gatherings when he was found unresponsive in his car after the heart attack that eventually took his life his trusty toy poodle tommy was by his side oh tommy tomm toy poodle. I love that.
I want a poodle. My dad.
What? That was just like felt like an intrusive thought. You were like, I want a poodle.
Kind of. My dad.
It's one of those like, must have poodle. I need a poodle.
Name Tommy. Oh my God.
My dad was one of seven children and my Uncle Paul was my favorite after my dad. I truly believe Karen Sue, his ex-wife, set him up.
Paul served 10 years in prison to protect his son, who was roped into the setup by his mom. Yes, Paul was absolutely the kind of person who would give up his own freedom for those he loved.
Unfortunately, Karen Sue passed away last month and has taken her secret to the grave. But that's not what this listener tale is about.
So I'm going to give you a short backstory without rambling. But I'm not going to make any promises because ADHD.
I feel that. I grew up going to my dad's house in Columbus, Ohio, and my mom's house just outside of Houston, Texas.
For those of you who do not know, New Orleans is a mere five hours from Houston if your mom drives like a bat out of hell that's crazy i know i didn't realize that geography i was gonna say gography gography back in 2002 back in 2002 i was a pretty angsty teen spoiler alert i am now a full-fledged misanthropic elder golf oh i feel everything you're saying i'm just like yep yeah as soon as i read this i said you speak to like me in certain way, but you really speak to Elena. When you just said 2002, you were just an angsty teen.
I'm like, yep. Yeah.
Same girl. Five.
Yeah, it sounds like a thunderstorm. Yeah, you're 15.
You can hear it. Cool.
Guys, I'm hungry. She hungry.
I'm hungry for your tails. All right, so misanthropic elder goth and learned that my favorite musician lived close enough to talk my alcoholic mother into weekend trips to the Crescent City.
She would drink and gamble while I would roam the streets with friends, hoping to run into the dark lord of industrial music himself. Do you know who that is? The Trent Reznor? Is that? He's Nin, right? Yeah.
He's Nin. I just, I don't know.
I'm just, the dark lord of industrial music just makes me think of Trent Reznor. Yeah, I could see that.
But am I right? I don't think it ends up saying. Oh.
The city immediately owned a piece of my soul. If you have never been to Nolens, it's not like any other city you will ever visit.
I could go on and on about the food, the jazz, the drinks, the art, the history, the best bar down the alleyway. You'll miss, if you blink the tarot card readers in jackson square or the speakeasy that the vampire sent you to above the unassuming bourbon street bar that sounds fucking awesome yeah it does it's almost like an alternate universe and if you are sensitive the energy will keep you coming back it's like a drug if you're a weirdo who has never felt like you have had and had a home anywhere else.
I love that. Beautifully said but made me sad.
That really is really, but you know what? You got Nalens. I got Nalens.
As an adult, I make any excuse to visit and will often wrap up my dog transport trips with a stop in my favorite city to decompress. That is.
One of the strangest sights I have ever seen was the French Quarter. Yes.
Yeah. One of the strangest sights I have ever seen was the French Quarter late spring 2020.
My boyfriend at the time had never been to New Orleans. And so I thought we would stop on our way back to Texas from the Midwest.
It was a literal ghost town. Plenty of souls, but very few were living.
Ooh. I like that.
You're like very poetic. You are very poetic.
We were able to walk through the middle of the street with our dogs as I gave him a tour of the quarter, passing by maybe three or four humans along the way.

It was surreal, but the energy of the city I love just wasn't there.

A few months later, the city had started to open back up, so we decided to visit again.

I wanted to show my now boyfriend the city I have obsessed over since I was a teen.

We will call my ex Jeff, mostly because that's his name. And he will probably shit his pants if he hears y'all tell this story.
Hell yeah, Jeff. I love mostly because that's his name.
That's a great reason to call him that. It is.
It's a perfect reason. We found an amazing deal on a dog-friendly historic hotel right in the French Quarter.
So we decided to treat ourselves after another 2,000 mile trip moving dogs to homes homes and partner rescues Midwest. That's amazing.
I know. I always travel with a few of my own personal dogs because I have separation anxiety.
So a long walk around the French Quarter was the first thing we did. This is where I mentioned that I'm also a professional dog trainer and behavior specialist.
My dogs have traveled with me all over the country and are used to staying in hotels after a long walk around the french quarter we checked out uh we checked into our hotel unloaded our bags and set up dog crates in our room we made plans to have dinner and join a haunted history walking tour i want to do that so bad that sounds i want to do that right now let's book a trip let's go jeff and i jeff his real name and i got the dog settled and walked out the hotel room to head to dinner. I always wait outside the hotel room door to listen for my dogs to settle.
But this evening, that didn't happen. Atticus.
I love that. Atticus.
Atticus. I love that.
Wait until you hear the next name. My most behaved deaf boy was scratching at the door and his deaf adopted sister, Dita Von Flees.
Atticus. dita von fleas dita von fleas is the best dog name in the history of dog names hands down like nobody else name your dog again that beats kevin way better than kevin that beats kevin valentina kevin the best dita von fleas but dita von fleas in her crate.
Oh no! We figured they just hadn't had enough time out after a long trip and decided to take them to dinner and on the walking tour with us. Aww.
I'm attaching a photo of myself with the three dogs who were with us on the trip. Lilith, Dita, and Atticus.
And Lilith. My tattoo's name is Lilith.
Shut up. I love her.
Now, an evening of perusing the French Quarter in August may seem like a lot for most dogs dogs but these are young dalmatians and they're fucking adorable oh my god they're stupid cute they were literally bred for running miles upon miles we had dinner outside next to jackson square which is now full of artists street performers and psychics but was once where the city held their executions oh i scanned the square for my favorite tarot card reader but i didn't see her i'd been drawn to her several years prior because of the wolves on her altar cloths oh my readings would often end with a discussion about our dogs and something she said something she had said has stuck with me dogs with i think it's heterochromia i think it's the the eye thing two different colored eyes can see the living and the dead. Oh, I fucking love that.
For some reason, it gives me like Game of Thrones White Walkers vibes. Oh my, like dire wolves.
Like, oh, I fucking love that idea. Yeah, specifically, they can see the living with their dark eye and the dead with their light eye, which I think is so fucking cool.
I'm obsessed with that idea. Yeah.
Oh, I love that. Well, on this trip, we didn't have any dogs with heterochromia, but Dita's eyes are both ice blue, and I wanted to see what she would say about that, which that's probably like rare for a Dalmatian.
Yeah, I would think so. Usually they have dark eyes, right? I think so.
Yeah. We finished our dinner and spent the rest of our evenings on a haunted history tour through the French Quarter.
There were locations where the dogs seemed to be bothered by something, and they definitely tried pulling us across the street upon approaching the La Laurie mansion. But otherwise, it was a normal long walk.
We went back to the hotel and settled for the night as we were all finally exhausted. Then at 3 a.m., Jeff woke me up, telling me he thinks Dita's having a seizure.
I come launch myself out of bed and see her crate rocking back and forth. He throws open the door and tries to grab her, and she sinks her teeth into his hand before shooting out of her crate and under the bedside table across the room.
Holy shit. She was howling like I've never seen a dog howl before.
I reached for her, and her teeth sank into my hand as she urinated. At this point, I'm sure everyone in the hotel has heard her howls despite trying to calm her.

Her ice blue eyes locked in on the window curtains that went from the ceiling to the floor.

She launched herself across the room one more time and attempted to climb up the curtains.

She was in such a frenzy, I feared that she would hit the glass with such force that she would yeet herself out the window and down three stories to, I think, DeCounter Street? Holy shit. After what seemed like a half hour, Dita finally exhausted herself and retreated back into her crate.
Jeff and I thought for sure we would be asked to leave the hotel, but no knock came or call. The next morning when we checked out, no one mentioned a thing.
Dita had never had an episode like this before. And four years later, she has not had another one like it, nor have I seen anything like it with any other dog.
Was my dog possessed? Could she see the dead? Or is she just a nutty Dalmatian? I can go with possessed. I think possessed.
Especially the fact that they were kind of like acting strange while you were on the walking tour and like out of character. I tried doing research on we stayed at but i didn't find anything particularly damning the whole french quarter is haunted if you ask me and if you don't believe in that sort of thing there are plenty of vampires witches and voodoo practitioners who may tickle your fancy there instead so fucking cool side note many years ago i was engaged like any good uh like any good golf i planned to get married in new orleans yeah I found a little museum on Rampart Street where we could have a small ceremony and celebration my ex-fiance's mom was outraged when she found out that I had put the deposit down on the Rampart Street murder house the Zach and Addie story oh my goodness yeah I didn't realize I would have been getting dressed for my wedding in the same space where Zach had dismembered his girlfriend Addie before jumping to his death.

I didn't make the connection.

Oh my god.

I didn't make the connection until after enduring her outrage.

Two weeks prior to the wedding on Friday, October 13th, my father had a massive stroke causing us to call off the wedding.

Long story short, had I gone through my wedding, I don't think i would be here today i have absolute chills i hadn't read that part earlier i just read the dog part wow whoa wow holy shit some kind of an intervention happened yeah i don't know what happened there but damn that's crazy i'm glad that you're here yeah and i'm sorry that you had to happen glad that that didn't happen and i'm sorry that you had to endure what you did yeah holy shit i'm adding a better pick of dita von fleas and some more of my dogs as well as a pick of the love of my life salem that's who that is in the picture and you guys you guys together are absolutely gorgeous literally a work of art i picked the tale because I said I literally want to look like this woman in my next life. She literally did.
Yes. Hand to whoever.
Me honor. I'm not a scout.
I thought you were talking about a judge or something. I was like, I think it's your honor.
You were like, excuse me were like excuse me i was like did you break what happened i'd understand it because you know you're all excited and stuff i thought you guys would appreciate that my future husband named himself after a sassy black cat not the town or the witch trials i'm obsessed anywho keep it weird we will and we know that you will that awesome. Even like on an off day, she looks like this.
You're absurdly beautiful and just like radiate nice, good energy. You're a work of art.
And you and Salem are just like the cutest couple I've ever seen in my life. Oh my god, you guys are just stupid gorgeous.
And the dogs. Wait, I gotta show you the picture of dita oh dita look at her eyes she does have beautiful ice blue eyes they're like almost white yeah they're so blue they're gorgeous crazy all right let's see should i do creepy doll listener tale another one that's a good one so this one's called's called creepy doll listeners tale.
This one's so good. Hi, weirdos.
My name is Angelica. Yes, like the Rugrats, you can use my name.
If you decide to pick this tale to read on the podcast, I will simply pass away. R.I.P.
Wow. That's like a normal thing to say to that, but like I feel like we did the same inflection we did get out of my head damn i've been a fan of for about a year and the first episodes i listened to were your albert fish ones what a way to start baby you stuck around after that damn for real damn i almost laughed after that i i tried and they said you're contracted no we both, that was it.
I listened to it at the gym and was cackling at all your jokes so hard that my husband stopped his workout and wanted to know what I was listening to. When I told him this podcast about Albert Fish, he looked horrified.
He said, qual? When I reassured him it was funny, not because of what he did, but because of your guy's absolute roast of this man's. We do be good at that.
He understood and became interested in the podcast. Side note, I'm not a huge true crime junkie since I already know how horrendous people can be, and it makes me sad.
Same. Same.
Shout out to my fellow social workers. Oh, yeah, you definitely know how horrible people can be.
But I did take a serial killers course in Creek Community College and learned a lot about them. It was interesting to say the least.
However, I'm more impressed with y'all's interpretations and retellings. I've learned so much that I think I may have to scrub my brain clean and start fresh, but like in a good way because I love you.
Yeah, I try to do that a lot too. Yeah, I'll shut the fuck up now, but please know I absolutely adore you both and thank you for always making me laugh and for keeping it weird.
This year has been a rough one and I'm only 25.

And what year was this?

25 was one of my worst years.

Oh, it's 2024. So yeah, it was a shitty year.
Yeah. And I'm only 25.
Seriously, if things keep on this trajectory, I'm not sure I'll make creepy history, and all things spooky. If you particularly enjoyed Ash and Elena's coverage of the USS Indianapolis, where 900 sailors battled rough seas, sharks, dehydration, and madness in the open ocean, you need to check out my podcast, Against the Odds.
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Start your free trial in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify today. Everyone has that friend who seems kind of perfect.
For Patty, that friend was Desiree. Until one day, I texted her and she was not getting the text.
So I went to Instagram, she has no Instagram anymore. And Facebook, no Facebook anymore.
Desiree was gone. And there was one person who knew the answer.
I am a spiritual person, a magical person, a witch. A gorgeous Brazilian influencer called Cat Torres, but who was hiding a secret.
From Wondery, based on my smash hit podcast from Brazil, comes a new series, Don't Cross Cat, about a search that led me to a mystery in a Texas suburb. I'm Colin Chinchak on the two missing Brazilian girls.
Maybe get some undercover crew there. The family are freaking out.
They are lost. I'm Chico Felitti.
You can listen to Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Do things typically get better or worse? But for reals, listening to you guys helps distract me from the fuckery that is life.
I am currently unemployed. Shout out to having a menti bee.
And writing this story has filled up a lot of my time.

And for that, I am grateful for the opportunity, even if it is not selected.

Wow.

Oh, girl.

It's selected.

And Elena broke.

I literally broke while saying it.

She said selected.

Sorry for any time.

Why did I laugh like that?

Did you hear that?

Neither of you reacted to that.

I literally went. Like, am I come.
Marley and Marley.

Marley and marley marley and marley that's a banger yeah i i didn't like the muppets for a long time come at me bro confession time i know my mother-in-law was really pissed about it but we watched the uh what's the christmas carol i was so against watching it for a long time but it's drew's favorite movie so i was like i have to it's slap it's like michael cain had no business going as hard as he goes in that he didn't he is he's top yeah no that's a good movie yeah i can awesome i would i feel um remiss yeah right as you should yeah anyway though back to your story 25 sucked balls yeah 24 and 25 were fucking shit it's tough 26 got better because i got engaged and then 27 and 28 have been fun so i think the closer that i think 25 is like a hard point in life because you're like in the middle and i think friends get weird at that point in time yeah and i think the closer you get to get to 30. Yeah.
When you get into your 30s, I feel like it starts being awesome. Coasting.
Yeah. Like I feel like the closer I got to 30.
You figure it out more. And then I had my twins at 30.
Yeah. So it was like the beginning of like awesomeness.
Yeah. I think.
Yeah. I think the closer you get to like making your own family or like even like, you know, getting married or anything like that and like choosing your own space.
Yeah. It's you get happier.
To me, my 20s are overrated. Yeah, I think they are too.
To me, in my opinion. Maybe your 20s are awesome.
And like for that. I mean, good for you.
I haven't heard anyone ever say that. No, I've heard everybody be like, fuck my 20s.
I think your 20s are just like a redo of your teens, but like with a little more information. Yeah.
And then your 30s are like, wow, we got to reel it in. We got to like overhaul this whole thing.
Yeah. So it's going to be good.
Yeah. So attached is a double space put a foot in Word document and Times New Roman size 14 font documenting the time my dad found old dolls hidden inside of a wall.
Damn. As in to the windows, to the walls.
i have attached photos as well for viewing pleasure i'm breaking again sorry in advance if they give you the creeps they see they seem to have that effect on people i hope it's not too long and not too boring keep it weird and maybe don't look at these photos after dark much love angelica yeah no it brings um viewing displeasure but like in a fun way yeah uh also the name of this uh listener tale is fucking top notch to the walls to the sweat drip down my dolls it is to the windows to the walls to the sweat drip down my dolls love it you're an icon a little background may be helpful before we get into the story my father does home improvement and often has to demo houses he gets to tear down walls break shit and have a good time doing it that would also be a fun job i literally paid to do that once yeah once. Yeah, it's called a rage room.
Hell yeah, and I want to do it again. We should.
During this process, sometimes he gets lucky and finds treasures. Let me tell you, rich people love to throw away perfectly good shit all the time.
We got a $3,000 new stove for our home because said rich people wanted to throw it in a dumpster. Damn.
Why the fuck are you throwing out a perfectly good fucking stove? Yeah, donate that donate that shit anyway my dad has found some great things along the way and usually passes these things to me he's given me books cds records antiques and housewares on one occasion he brought home 10 trash bags full of vintage clothing including one deceased woman's wedding dress and her mother's wedding dress from the 1920s. That's why I picked this one.
Was it mine? It wasn't. I'm not from the 1920s.
It's like thrifting, but I don't need to do any work or spend any money. While my dad has many interesting stories and has one of the most chaotic lives I know, this story is not really about him, although he would love it if it were.
He would fill up an entire episode of Listener Tales just telling you about the past few years of his life. But alas, this is a story about the time my dad found a case of dolls inside of a wall.
Yeah! My dad was demoing a house somewhere in Baltimore. It had already been vacated.
We know nothing of the previous owners. And the new owners had asked my dad to break down a few walls for a new project.
Piece of cake. My dad does this all the time.
As he's doing his thing, probably while listening to Bruce Springsteen, he could see something hidden hiding inside the wall. My dad has seen a lot of shit in his day, but nothing like this.
He starts to rip away the wall and what he found shook him. It's a handmade case with a plexiglass front with some tiny creepy ass looking dolls inside.
Each doll was zip tied to a wooden board with holes in it why of attached photos why she has attached isn't that the scariest shit you've ever seen why are they they're zip tied like like by the neck yeah yeah another weirdest shit you ever i don't like it i don't love it and they're all different little creepy dolls like some of them are baby dolls yeah wait till you find out what they are i don't like these at all holy shit he just found that on a wall yeah there's a lot going on there i mean they're kind of cute in a creepy way right no no wrong wrong uh obviously when my dad found these little fuckers he thought what the fuck my weird ass daughter will love this shit that would be papa's react he would 100 i sat in the living room with him as he recounted his tale he was sure that they were haunted because why else were they buried in someone's wall i thought they were a little creepy but overall endearing and i was more so curious of the origins of the dolls me too i'm curious of the origins i don. I don't find them endearing though.
I also found it interesting they were zip tied by their necks to the board. Same.
To keep them there for viewing or to contain them from committing doll acts of evil? We will never know. I think the latter.
Yeah. They've been zip tied and secured behind the plexiglass for as long as I have had them.
And I would be lying if I said I was not at least a little bit scared of the idea of releasing them from their habitat. I don't believe it.
In fear that maybe the case has been blessed or whatever, and opening it would unleash some little doll demons, just like in the movies, and I'm not about to be the dumb bitch who dies from her mistake. Good for you, man.
See? You're smart. Right? If they do decide to one day become haunted, I like that they'll just be dormant and then they'll just become haunted someday.
They reserve that right. Yeah.
Oh, thank you. Y'all will absolutely be the first to know if I am still alive to tell the tale.
Hell yeah, brother. Thank you.
Hell yeah. That's an honor.
That's an honor. It is.
I also want to share that we moved recently and the movers refused to move them to our new home. They were a little creeped out by them.
That's actually hilarious. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that conversation.
Like they just go in the other room. They're like, no, dude, I'm not moving.
The other one's like, I'm not touching it either. This is kind of part of your house.
Like, what are we supposed to tell them? They just go to you. We're supposed to be grown adults.
Why are we touching the dolls? I'm not touching the dolls. Like I can hear it in my head.
I guess like I can hear it. I liked your bit.
I'm going to a whole script out. Alina's next book is just the movers conversation about the dolls.
Now, on my search to understand more, I came across a group on Facebook that is specifically for dolls and doll collecting. Oh, shit.
I just want to say that those guys are on it and very good at what they do. As soon as I post, shout out to that group.
Hey, group. As a group.
As soon as I posted the dolls, people went crazy, and I had multiple offers in my inbox.

Apparently, these things are worth something besides just nightmares.

From what I could gather, the dolls inside are considered penny dolls.

During World War II, soldiers would buy them for their children and bring them home to the U.S.

They are rare and very sought after by doll lovers and collectors.

The dolls likely have real human hair.

Thank you. You can tell by looking at them that someone took great care to make the dolls as detailed as possible.
Maybe the person who, I don't know, hid them in the walls, still very sus, knew they were valuable and wanted to preserve them and keep them away from the sunlight. Or maybe they were fucking terrified of them.
Yeah. But I don't, if I was so scared of something, I don't think I'd put it in my wall.
No. So it can just like breed contempt for me in there? I don't want that.
Breed contempt. I don't want that.
You are a writer. I do not want that.
Maybe the original owner tried to get rid of them, but each time they threw them away, they reappeared on the person's doorstep like that creepy Ouija board in that one listener's tale. I hate that.
I think that's what happened. So they put them in the wall.
I'm not sure what the doll's origin story is, but I think we can all agree that hiding them in your wall is a bit strange. I think it funny i think it's kind of funny i think it's a practical joke i think they were blessed because they were haunted and probably ruining the original owner's life and they were told to put it in the wall so that they would never be found probably and disturbed and now they've been disturbed i feel like you if you didn't want them to be disturbed though you'd like bury them in the backyard but that's hard because there's a lot of them and it's big putting them in a wall is just like putting something in a wall is like tough though you got to like cut the wall well that's the other thing that's a lot that's why a practical joke is that's pretty intense practice oh i will commit to a practical i mean samesies but how many people will do that pull you know how many let's see see.
Would you open your wall as a practical joke? I just thought of Jasper on TikTok when she's like, who wants buffalo chicken wings? Raise your hand. What was the first one? If you want, was it mozzarella sticks? I think it was.
You want mozzarella sticks? Raise your hands. Buffalo chicken fingers.
My dad gave these dolls to me when I was around 18 and I'm 25 now. I live with my husband, cat, and dog Luna.
Pictures attached. I heard you guys were into that kind of thing.
We are. We love animals.
The dolls hang out in my basement because my husband is thoroughly freaked out by them, despite my attempts to reassure him. I would love to display them somewhere as a conversation piece, but that's unlikely to ever happen.
Here's what I want you to do. I want you to make them into a coffee table with the plexiglass being the top of it.
That's a conversation. That is such a good idea.
Do it. Tell your husband we sent you.
It's two things. It's such a good idea.
And it's also something that like a weird couple would propose to do on flea market flip. Yes.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. Side note, I used to be super afraid of dolls when I was younger.
I blame this on my aunt who decided to place her super realistic toddler doll in her hallway with a knife in its hand when I was a child. Yeah, that's her fault.
That's her fault. We'll fight her if you want.
That's her fault. We can fight her.
Yeah, a real knife from her kitchen. She got a kick out of that.
Thankfully, I'm now a huge horror fan and love everything spooky and scary. And funny enough, I fucking love dolls now.
Really? The only thing that can truly terrify me are giants. And I am betting and pray whoever will fucking listen to whoever will fucking listen that they are not real.
I also don't like giant things.

She doesn't like giants.

You don't like giant things.

Or giants. I don't want like, I mean like, you know, the ogres sort of.

Yeah.

Like the earth giants from Frozen.

That would scare the shit out of me.

Yeah, that would be fucked up.

I don't like that at all.

Well, they could just like squish you.

Yeah, I don't like it. I can pretty much handle anything scary, but when it comes to giants, a line is crossed.
And if they ever do turn out to be real, I will exit this life before things get too spicy. Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding.
I like how niche that is. Anyway, I will keep these dolls probably forever.
All jokes aside, the history and craftsmanship are incredible. I know I sound like a huge weirdo, but hey, we all have our things.
You're not weird. Now that I've given you some spookies, I need to give you some giggles.
I also included a photo of my Princess Diana rip doll that my mother got me for a few years ago. I was convinced for years that I was related to her, that she would rescue me to be a princess with her.
I love that for you. Then I found out that she was very dead and that I was not a princess.

Anyways, my husband has convinced me that this is not...

Wait.

It's not Princess Diana.

It's Owen Wilson wearing a dress.

He's not wrong.

You might be right.

He might be right.

Can I get a wow?

In your best Owen Wilson voice. i don't know randomly the other night we were at a hotel and i woke up at 3 a.m to owen wilson on the tv and i was like what the fuck is this and then i saw j-lo and i was like am i what hello they were in like a weird movie together recently really yeah she's like a pop star and she's like dating some, I think she's dating Bad Bunny.
I think I saw clips of this and it looked insane. I woke up at 3 a.m.
and I was just like. That's a fever dream.
I watched like 15 minutes of it. Oh my god, you showed me little Luna aka Luna Tuna.
Luna Tuna! I'm obsessed with Luna Tuna. You guys are cute.
You guys are adorable. Give Give me Luna tuna.
Yeah. Immediately.
Wait, also, you have to put those in your wall when you're, when like the time is nigh. Luna tuna? No.
I'm just kidding. No.
The dolls, yes. But the dolls in your wall, like if you know you're going to make an exit from the coil.
The dolls in your walls. I'll hit my microphone.
Not anytime soon, but like when you know you're going to, when you're like 98. Yeah, like when you feel like you're gonna make an exit from the coil when you're like your walls hit my microphone not anytime soon but like when you know you're gonna when when you're like 98 yeah like when you feel like you're about to shuffle off this mortal coil just shove them in your walls just do a quick home project yeah just call a quick contractor but do it early just call him up and say i got a job for you i need you to hide these dolls in my walls i found these dolls in a wall What my dad did when I was a girl And Develop an accent Before you do this Workshop it okay You'll get there You have time Luna tuna for life Luna tuna Luna tuna I don't know why I sang it but I did You sing lots of things I like it It's true I do It's true I do It's true.
Luna, tuna. I don't know why I sang it, but I did.
You sing lots of things.

I like it.

It's true, I do.

It's true, I do.

It's true, I do.

That sounds like a Nana Bob song.

The Rewatcher.

Go listen to the Rewatcher.

Let me take a drink of my water.

I think we could probably finish on this.

This one is Listener Tales.

Predicting death is my sixth sense.

Oh, fuck yeah.

Let's go.

Yeah.

It says, hi, Deb, Deb.

Oh, you too, Ash and Elena. Oh, hey.
I love you, you weirdos and hope you read this on the pod well here we are it is a terrifying uh yet interesting experience and i haven't heard a listener tell like it so i hope it stands out to sweeten the deal there's a picture of a puppy and a baby you guys know you just know included is a 14 point double spaced potter for and this is actually my second time submitting because I sent it to the wrong email. I really want to know who got that email.
I also want to know that. Reading time is approximately 15 minutes and 15 seconds, but not unlike two weirdos I know, I stumble on words a lot.
Damn. Yeah, a dubious.
And this is from Millie. Millie! The biggest and most vivacious hello to Ash, Elena, and Deb Deb.

My name is Millie.

Use it, bitch.

I will.

Millie.

See attached a photo of moi simply because when I read, I always love a face for context.

She's gorgeous. Oh, Millie.

So pretty.

That face card, girl.

Fuck it up.

Fuck it up.

Damn.

The mug never declines.

Millie.

I know what you're thinking. Are you a 5'11 thicca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca- i'm a relatively new listener my mouth just made a gross noise so i'm gonna say that again i am a relatively new listener who started her morbid journey in august of 2022 however i'm quickly catching up to all of the episodes i started at the most recent and i'm working my way backwards which is apparently not what the normal is but you know what it is it's what we suggest and we actually suggest that you stop at a certain point and never listen to the early ones yes in fact that we were talking about this the other day that's actually really funny yeah that we were like whenever when somebody says they're new to the pod we're like are you starting from the beginning because we're like are you still here like go go from newest to oldest so you can appreciate us later i still go off on a tangent obviously but the tangents that my ass would go off on it was a different time i think i was like was i like 22 when we started you were young yeah i was so fucking annoying you were young and i'm still pretty annoying but i own it i was annoying then too and i'm yeah i'm still annoying let's be annoying together forever forever oh that was a good one it was we didn't cheers never mind i was gonna say did we make it but we did but we did we went

why did i forget instantly immediately are you a witch are you a witch are you a witch are you a wizard oh god all right oh god we were like we don't go on tangents anymore we never go on tangents everyone's like this has been six hours long all right back to millie's tale. Millie! Millie!

We're kind of hungry, I think.

We are.

I have tacos waiting for me.

I have like a slaw that I made.

A slaw.

A slaw with some rotissic. Ooh.
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Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. So work your way backwards and stop at a certain point.
However, I'm the farthest. I'm the farthest.
In the fjord. I'm in the fjord.
I'm farthest. Don't start with the fjord because then I'll go on a tangent to Conan.
Uh-oh. He has a song.
However, I'm the farthest thing away from normal, so it's incredibly fitting. I'm an English major, so if there are any grammatical errors, feel free to call my ass out.
I'll call the police. Whoa.
It escalated. Before we get into the gushing, I want to give a well-deserved shout out to the divine individual who started my unhealthy obsession, your now second biggest fan, Ashley Little.

Ashley Little.

She's like me, but little.

I know you two love the art of making others defecate themselves,

so please use her full name because she will take a monstrous giddy dump in her jeans.

Ashley Little.

Ashley just took a dump.

This is her photo.

This is her photo.

Oh, Ashley, you're adorable.

She's guudge.

She's big guudge.

Yeah.

Okay, gushing time.

I absolutely adore you two.

I adore you. And I hate people, so that says a lot.

Oh my God, you, you're adorable. She's guudge.
She's big guudge. Yeah.
Okay, gushing time. I absolutely adore you two.
I enjoy you. And I hate people, so that says a lot.
Oh my god, you are my people. And we hate people too.
Yeah. You've made your way into being a daily part of my life, and when I'm driving to and from work and listen to you on my hour-long commute, it feels like I have the two coolest bitches behind me in the backseat.
Bitch, thank you. Who are constantly almost responsible for my untimely demise as I find myself repeatedly swerving after a laughing fit.
Or nor. One time you made me laugh so hard when talking about dick cheese that I snotted all over myself and almost died running off the road trying to find a Kleenex.
Don't do that, you two say. But if my end includes snot running down my face and tears in my eyes from hysterical laughter about dick cheese, that sounds like a good way to go who are we crazy who are we we're just literally talk about we're literally so random uh segueing to the tale with death this is about a few yet far too many times that i have predicted death this is cray by the way i'm already sporting doo-doo drawers and i don't even know if you read this on the pod yet.
So if I hear you reading this, then my pants are already off and on fire. I love it.
I live in a very rural town in New Brunswick, Canada. I'm talking I graduated with 12 people rural.
Holy shit. I thought other people's schools were small, damn.
However, to begin this story, we set the scene in the big city of Brampton

Ontario Brampton is about a half hour from Toronto and is way too big for my liking I grace the lives of my parents by making my glorious entrance into this hellhole we call the world on April 4th 2000 that's right ash I'm an Aries sun and moon and my rising is Capricorn I see you Elena oh hell yeah Double Aries, you are fiery as fuck.

I'm married in Aries.

And Capricorn i see you elena oh hell yeah double aries you are fiery as fuck i'm married in aries and capricorn even though capricorn is an earth sign i feel like they're like pretty pretty scrappy yeah you're probably scrappy yeah you're scrappy as fuck and i love that about you i get along really well with aries and capricorn same yeah mom and dad john and elena yeah so so make your own most likely. I did.
We did. My parents divorced a few years after my birth just in 2004.
But don't be sorry. It was for the best.
This is hilarious. My dad found himself in the awkward situation of accidentally falling into women's vahinas.
And my mother was tired of his quote unquote slip ups. His quote unquote slip ups.
Fast forward to 2006. That's a great way to describe that.
I love that. That's somebody who has healed.
Yeah, you've healed. Fast forward to 2006.
I'm six years old and my dad's living in Brampton with another woman who I'm glad to say he's no longer with. She was a very angry Italian woman who was a bit hard on the noggin.
Or maybe she wasn't angry and she just spoke in a perpetual scream. I'm not really sure.
That's a lot. I was playing with i was playing with poly pockets alone in my room ash gets it when i had a feeling it made me stop and pause with every strand on my of hair on my little body standing straight in the air as if i were hanging upside down this feeling and the facial expression i would have worn is comparable i don't know why i said it like that comparable to someone who is who horrifically realized that their not, in fact, been a fart.
I can't quite describe the feeling, but it was as if a thousand dementors had entered the room, surrounded me, and then simultaneously began sucking my soul out of my body. They are the worst part of prison, you know.
Michael Scott. Did you get that? They are.
That's prison Mike. I don't watch The Office.
don't yell at me gotta watch it man maybe prison

mike uh i didn't have a vision more like an awareness that my great-grandfather who was

in perfect health was going to die oh i walked around with this weight for the entire day asking

six year old yeah oh that's like one of your babes oh asking my dad if he had been talking

to grandpa he said no that he hadn't that day but he just spoke with him the week before and

he asked why i was wondering no reason i replied kicking my feet together and avoiding eye contact

I don't know. my dad if he had been talking to grandpa he said no that he hadn't that day but he just spoke with him the week before and he asked why i was wondering no reason i replied kicking my feet together and avoiding eye contact i was just wondering this feeling i remember was not one i wanted to share and kept and it kept me up most of the night i laid in bed until sleep found me in the early hours of the morning and i arose to my dad standing on uh standing at my door looking forlorn and also suspicious grandpa passed away last night he said hesitantly his tone was a mix of grief and suspicion did this man think my small fragile and incapable body could walk a two-hour drive in the middle of the night and somehow unalive my grandfather like come on i remember being heartbroken not only because i had lost someone important to me my first encounter with death as well because I also felt responsible.
I knew it was going to happen, but I said nothing because as a child, my thoughts, feelings, and intuitions were typically dismissed. Oh, relatable.
That makes me sad for you. I know.
The memory stuck with me for a while until it began to fade as the years went on. I had forgotten about the feeling and what it felt like.
I resumed my life and paid it no mind until I was 14. I had my laptop going with karaoke songs as I was home alone and aspired to be a famous singer at the time.
Hell yeah. Typically speaking, though, in order to be famous, you have to be, like, good at singing, which I was not.
I mean, do you? It's subjective. It's 2025 now.
Yeah, you don't really have to be good at much anymore. Think the demon cat from Pet Sematary being shook around and then thrown at a wall.
Love that. That's the most accurate description of my singing voice, even to this day.
Right in the middle of the ear-piercing belt of the chorus to Rolling in the Deep, I stopped. Wait, I took a vocal class once and it was Rolling in the Deep and I thought I slayed that shit.
And then I got home and I recorded myself and I never went back to voice acting and voice lessons again. I love it.
I said, teacher Jamie. You said I did not roll in the tube.
I'm sorry. I said, auto-tune would never help this.
So I stopped. It reminded me of Raven from That's So Raven when she'd get a vision.
The same feeling I had ejected from my homunculus. Yeah.
Homunculus. Yeah.
I'd return with a vengeance with one major difference. The person it surrounded.
This time it was my grandmother on my mom's side, Ruby, who I would later name my daughter after. Ruby.
And this is Ruby and she's so fucking cute. The pigtails.
You get the fuck out of here with that kid. I can't.
That's a cute ass kid. I can't.
Ruby. I can't.
She's so fucking cute. I love her.
I know. And look, she's kind of like judging whoever she's looking at.
She's like, she's got like that eyebrow action. Like her mom is a double Aries.
I'm impressed. Well, for her grandmother Ruby was the and I this reminds me of this lady Judy I used to live with who I fucking love so much.
My mother Ruby. Yeah.
She was a kind woman who would always be found drinking diet Pepsi from a vintage floral glass and watching Judge Judy. Well, she'd have it on the TV, but she'd be talking so much through it that you could not understand what was happening.
Love that. And then she'd look at anyone with her and go, what's happening? I regret not spending much time with her in my teen years as I was caught up in school, sports, boys and video games, but unfortunately did not classify seeing my grandparents as fun.
So when I had this feeling, I panicked. I wanted to call my mom and tell her, but then how would she see me if Ruby did die? Would she see me as in a different light, a freak possessed by the devil, damn overly religious white women? I decided to let it go and hope that I wasn't right.
But that night at 3am, my grandmother was taken by ambulance and passed in the hospital oh ruby i know i'm sorry i went home and looked in the mirror like someone in a movie not even sure of who i was seeing i screamed what the fuck which was a big deal because i didn't say a single swear word until i was 17 whoa and i've progressed so much now that i'm convinced my child will think her name is fuck i love how you're right so hard the feeling of confusion dread and fear enveloped my body like a spicy blanket oh a spiky blanket i like a spicy blanket i like them both personally i still refuse to share my curse with anyone and again it went dormant for years to come 2018 is when it returned yet again my ex-boyfriend we ended on good terms don't worry oh good i love that because we never hear that i know rarely uh My ex-boyfriend, we ended on good terms, don't worry. Oh, good.
I love that because we never hear that. I know.
Rarely. My ex-boyfriend and I were living in our first apartment.
I was in my first year of university and I was sat at my makeup station one morning, putting on some semblance of a falsified, excited face for the day. Being in university, I needed all the help I could get with the bags under my eyes and permanent look of depression that encapsulated my face.
Encapsuled my face. Then, spoiler alert, it hit.
The feeling. Though this time would be slightly different from the previous two.
This time, it wasn't someone that was directly related to me. It was my boyfriend's grandfather.
The other difference was how quickly it happened. The other two times were at least a 12-hour span between the feeling and death.
This time, I had the feeling, cooked in it for about five minutes, and then my boyfriend called me. My heart fucking sank.
He said, Papa didn't wake up from his sleep this morning. I had to force myself to pretend to act shocked, though it was earlier than expected.
I still knew it was coming. Is he dead? I asked with a fake surprise.
No, I think it's just diabetic coma. He'll probably be fine probably be fine he answered first of all who the fuck calls someone and says so so so and so didn't wake up from their sleep just being like casually they're fine though he'll probably be fine like what that's probably fine that's not how you tell someone that also like probably just a diabetic coma it's like oh just that little thing oh you know yeah anyways i didn't dare tell him what knew.
And I was also hoping that I was going to be wrong this time. His grandfather was a pure and kind soul.
He was in his late 80s, still chopping wood, cooking, dancing and living his life. We'd go over all the time and play skip bow.
And he'd get so he'd get so zoned out, we'd have to yell his name 30 times to snap him out of it. Oh, my turn.
Oh, my God, I love him. That's so sweet.
I drove to the hospital to meet with them and we went to the room he was in. Once the family was rounded up, the doctor came over and broke the news.
He had a brain bleed. He said, more forcefully than I would have liked.
That happens a lot. Yeah, it's very clinical.
Yeah. He's being kept alive by the machines, but once we unhook him, I don't expect him to live long after.
I felt helpless. So many loved ones I knew would die and I could do nothing but sit back and wait.
That must be so hard. Yeah, that's tough.
Yeah. Nothing I could have done could have prevented these deaths, yet I was burdened with the knowledge of the inevitable.
That's exactly what it is. That's a burden.
Yeah, it is a burden. Yeah.
These first three death predictions would soon prove themselves to be the easiest that I would have to encounter. I had split from my ex and was living the single life we were together since i was 14 and i was now 20 and lost no sense of an identity an introvert with one friend and my time was mostly taken up by school and work i felt confused as to the next steps to take then a guy messaged me on facebook to protect his identity since his name is incredibly unique we'll call him Fred.
Fred. Fred.
That reminds me of, hey, it's Fred. Remember that guy? Yeah.
Fred started chatting

with me and flirting, but in a kind, genuine, and respectful way. I learned he was from India,

and he was here for school. He was incredibly gifted with humor, intelligence, perseverance,

and sheer willpower. He went to the same university as I did, and we hit it off right away.

However, just as friends, as I was not ready for another relationship we spent time together and i learned how fascinating of a human he was he was in boarding school in india and was in a gang in his teen years he survived being stabbed and got out of that place in his life his family also owned a tiger a tiger his name was timothy like a whole ass tiger a tiger named timothy yeah holy shit they rescued and rehabilitated him how much cooler can he get not much he was always very kind and i enjoyed the time we spent together we were inseparable friends for a few months when he moved here he turned his life around got heavy into the gym and then excelled even more at academics he got a mocha a mocha cycle i was gonna say he got a? He got a moker cycle. I love those.
A little bit different than a moker cycle. You ever been on a moker cycle? You know? Thank you for a ride of your life.
It's crazy. He got a motor cycle and would venture around on it all the time.
He was also an incredibly talented painter. He cracked jokes that would make me laugh so hard I cried.
He said all the strange Indian men that have probably messaged you before and yet I had the charm to get your attention. However, his tale would end like the rest.
One day, I was sitting in my room alone, thoughts to myself, when it came, the feeling, the dread. No, I screamed to whatever it was, not him.
It horrified me. I was so scared and helpless.
And that's when Fred messaged me and told me he was going cliff jumping with his friend oh this will eat me alive forever but I said okay be safe I thought once again fate would change he was going with someone which meant that he would be safe I thought I was just in my head about this one he's 23 there's no way anything could happen to him you're indestructible when you're 23 right wrong the next day I woke up and I realized I hadn't heard from him. No texts, no calls since 3 p.m.
the previous day. I called, no answer.
I texted. I called again.
That's when I messaged the friends that he was with. Can you meet me? She asked.
I agreed and she broke the news. His death was classified as a drowning.
She said he hit the water and started flailing. She ran down to the bottom and tried to bring him in, but he was panicking and was bringing her down into the water.
She got back up on land and turned to grab him once more, but there was no sight of him. He was gone.
My prediction is the force he picked up on his way down threw him deeper into the water than he had the breath for, and he started inhaling before he reached the surface and never made it out. That's brutal.
That's awful. I didn't sleep or eat for weeks, months even.
I lost a concerning amount of weight. I could have stopped him, but I didn't believe my gut.
I blamed his death on myself ever since. No.
It's not your fault. And you don't want to mess with fate, you know? Yeah, and you're, it's hard to believe that you know when these things are happening.
Yeah. So you're probably second guessing it.
Exactly. I would stay up at night crying and apologizing to him.
Someone with so much light, so much potential and purpose gone. That is until I went to a medium and she assured me that my gift was not just in my head.
And even if I begged him not to go, he still would have went. That helped a little bit.
Yeah. The last prediction was the strangest and most haunting of them all.
Trigger warning for suicide here. I was at work.
I'm a waitress and I work in a small chain restaurant just in Atlantic Canada. The place was dead and I was wandering around searching for things to do when I got the feeling.
But it wasn't just a feeling this time. It was a vision too.
I got this overwhelming, all-encompassing sense of sorrow, depression, and hopelessness. I was in a first-person perspective and went into my room, though, similar to how dreams work.
It wasn't actually my room in reality, but in this vision it was mine, and I locked the door. I then grabbed gasoline, poured it on myself, and lit myself on fire.
Holy shit. But I wasn't anyone I knew, which was the strangest thing.
I had thought it was weird and definitely concerning, but it wasn't anyone I was familiar with. Each one of my previous WOMP feelings, I knew the person I was referring to.
I shook it off. The next day, I was on social media and read something on the news.
At the exact same time I had a vision, a young guy a few towns over went into his room, locked the door, poured gas on himself, and set himself on fire. He did not survive.
I have chills all over my arm. I was in shock.
I didn't know him, and this was also completely different from my other experiences. I felt so afraid for so long these would keep happening, but that was a few years ago, and they seemed to have stopped.
I'd like to think that they they're gone forever but i refuse to let my guard down because that's when death will sneak up on me like a fox with an unsuspecting squirrel so until then death but i'll be waiting for you thank you ladies for reading my tale if you did and if this is on the podcast i will never shut up about it i hope you ladies enjoy the rest of your day week month life year etc and i can't wait to continue to keep up with your journeys and see where life takes you. Thanks.
Elena, I read your book and I absolutely adored it. Thank you.
I took a hiatus from casual reading after life got incredibly busy. This is the best compliment.
And your book brought me back to the bookworm I used to be. Oh, that's literally my favorite compliment ever.
So thank you for that. And I cannot wait for the second one.
Hell yeah. Ash, that's me.
I'm anxiously waiting for the pictures of your Drew's wedding day. And I'm so happy you have such a beautiful human to love and to love you because you both deserve that and more.
Drew is a beautiful human. He's the most beautiful human I know.
He's so lovely. It's ridiculous.
I don't know how I got him. We love a Drew here.
I love him so much. I just want to punch him.
Just punch him just with love right in the kisser until then keep it weird but maybe not this weird millie but here's a picture of my dog stanley because why not he's just like oh my god i'm obsessed with stanley i love him so much dude like the meg the stallion yeah good job i'm so proud of you i'm learning things oh my Millie, that was a fucking harrowing tale haunting like harrowing but you wrote it so well that it was i just it was fascinating these were so good they were so good i have tacos i have slaw and chick and chicken and chicken chicken this was amazing this was so much fun i feel like this is the most fun I've had on. Yeah, this was a lot of fun.
Yeah, I think we're getting more comfortable being on camera. Definitely.
I'm not going to do it that much more, but. No.
We're going to keep it like this. Yeah.
I said, don't get your hopes up. Don't get your hopes up.
Don't. But we'll do this on our toes.
Yes, for sure. We'll do this on our toes.
We'll keep doing that. We'll do it.
And until then. We hope you keep listening.
And we hope you hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you predict death definitely keep it i mean keep it that weird it's kind of interesting uh definitely keep it so weird that you cut a hole in your wall and you had some creepy ass dolls in there oh yeah i have to open the rest because i don't have a memory due to 15 years of my life um oh keep it so weird that as a ghost you shove peaches up people's noses

uh don't keep it so weird that your dog gets possessed but that wasn't your fault obviously

um keep it so weird that you run a non-profit for dogs yeah that's absolutely incredible yes

and i think i got all of them yeah just keep it weird keep it the weirdest so weird

see you next monday you're buttheads So weird. Ba-da-boo!

See you next Monday, you buttheads. Thank you.
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