2025.06.26: Gone Fishing

Great, Scott!

Hey!

We're recording the podcast!

Scott Up!

Good morning to you, wherever you are, because it is

back for July 26th, 2025.

My name is Bernie Burns.

I'm actually on the road today.

This is a pre-recorded episode with Scott.

So say hi to Scott, everybody.

It's Scott over there.

I think I did a great job there.

I sound exactly like Finn almost.

Yeah, you said yesterday when they played them back to back, and we learned that was not true.

Yeah, that's true.

But without having them back-to-back, I want to say thank you because I haven't seen your flash go off on your phone all day.

So I appreciate you making a change at this point in your life for me, which benefits me.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I appreciate it.

By the way, is that the shortest drop you've ever played?

Great Scott?

Yeah.

No, I think I played one the other day where somebody said, oh my,

and that was it.

I've also just played like the sound of the Roblox guy dying, which I don't think you'd know what that is.

I do not know what that is.

I'll play it for you right now, just so everyone can have reference reference for it.

This is the sound of a Roblox trigger warning, Roblox character dying.

That's it.

What?

That's it.

That's

that from a show?

You asked me the shortest drop.

Yeah, it's a Netflix series called Roblox.

It's about a bunch of blocks they use.

They use them to build roads, and then they have adventures.

So here's how we can start.

I thought we have an easy segue to at least get going today because we stopped yesterday talking about the $21 trillion that has gone missing in taxpayer funds over the last allegedly.

That's a lot of money.

Dude, that's a lot of money.

It is a lot of money.

My point I was trying to make yesterday is that we're like $36 trillion estimated on our total ever accumulated national debt with interest.

You're saying

$21 trillion

was made and then stolen in this time period.

Well, the report came out in 2017, so it had been going on for a long time.

She's just now hitting the podcast media blitz because her job is over and she's like, this is probably stuff that the public should know.

And so she's been just, it's like hitting the late night talk shows.

So instead of, you know, the Jimmy Kimmels and the John, you know, the Stephen Colberts and all that stuff, she's hitting the

Jesse Michaels and the Joe Rogan's in the podcast arena.

And

Tucker calls her Carlson.

Her name is Catherine Austin Fitz.

Her name is Catherine Austin Fitz.

And her exact,

her exact.

I think yesterday I thought you were talking that her name was Jesse Michaels.

No, sorry, I must have missed it.

Jesse Michaels is one of the podcasters I follow.

He does something called American Alchemy.

And he, I don't know how this kid looks like he's only like 30-something, but he's built an incredible reputation and following of fringe theories, the stuff that I like to talk about.

I mean, he's had everybody from Eric Weinstein to Hal Putoff to Gary Nolan to, and hopefully this is.

You always say these names with such incredible gravitas, and I never know who they are.

The fact that you don't know who they are is fine.

I guarantee you 30% of your audience knows every name I just said.

Okay, go ahead.

So that's the important part.

Like, I would say that.

These are people that are well-respected.

So, for example, Gary Nolan, one of the biggest biochemists and immunologists in the world, well-respected in his field,

gave up.

Actually, he didn't give up.

He still continues to do that, but he's devoted a large portion of his life and time and effort now to the study of ufology and UAPs and alien technology and suppressed technology and stuff like that.

So Eric Weinstein is one of the most renowned physicists on the planet.

Hal Putoff also, but he kind of got a tarnished reputation back, you know, 20, 30 years ago, back when he was working at SRI, the Stanford Research Institute, because the first thing that he did was

the remote viewing stuff, the mind control, all the stuff that people didn't.

The fact that I never spent too much time on it because I thought it was more parapsychological and metaphysical, but the fact is, you know who spent a lot of money and time on it?

Our military.

So if they're going to do that,

obviously there's something real there.

So, but he stopped doing that after he left SRI.

He devoted himself full-time to supporting the defense contractors, government programs, and stuff like that.

He's the godfather of

suppressed technology.

Is it fair to say that one of the best, like, mainstream versions of that is

Men Who Stare at Goats?

That was a comedic representation of a very real story.

But it kind of describes the scenario.

Is there a better version of it that people can watch?

That's the best story.

Even though

what you can do is get the names off there.

And

this is how I really get exposed to most of the things that I study.

You see something like that and you're like, Jesus, who the hell came up with this idea?

And then you start to realize, oh, it was based on real events.

Well, how real were these events?

How much did they exacerbate or

conflate to make their point?

And if you look up the general, or it wasn't a general, maybe it was a general, if you look up the people's names who were in the film,

you can actually go watch a documentary of the real story that took place.

And you're like, of course, you know, to keep people entertained and to make a box office hit, you have to embellish a little bit and maybe insert some stories.

I mean, like, Jesus Christ, Titanic, the highest-grossing movie of all time, was less about the crash than it was about the love story, which is what sold it to everybody.

And by the way, when was the last time you looked at anything about the Titanic?

I was just recently, in the last few weeks, exposed to the reason why that went down.

People are saying that was not an accident because of the people that were on board.

By the way, I see you look at me and sighing already.

So the Titanic didn't hit an iceberg.

It probably hit an iceberg, but then it hit it on purpose.

Okay.

So the main thing is the people that were on there.

Supposedly there were three big wig names that were about, that were like in direct conflict with the Fed and blah, which had just been established, or maybe like a few years later, it was established.

Either way, it was obviously about money.

A bunch of robber barons on there and rich folks on their way to America to either make a life or change life for everybody and down they go.

So anyway, let's get back to this $21 million network.

I have to say something.

While you're looking that up, I didn't bring it up on yesterday's podcast, but I brought it up on Tuesday's podcast.

Yes.

Which is, this reminds me that you talking about the Titanic.

You told me the other day, did you know that they built a Titanic?

And And I was like, Yes, I did know that they built a Titanic for that movie.

A 90% scale movie.

Nine-tenth scale size.

I just watched

a, what do you call that?

The speed process, the time-lapse.

Time-lapse photography of it.

And I was like, God damn, I didn't realize they did that.

So I mentioned that it came up recently that you have now just heard the term uncanny valley.

You've never heard this term before this year.

Before AI.

Let's just say that.

I had heard it before, but all of a sudden, in the last like month and a half, it's been used

all the time.

You know, to describe something that it's like the best description I've heard somebody try to define it is the way we're getting with AI and robots, where it's almost getting to where you can't distinguish whether it's a human or not, but you know it's not.

And then

I forgot what they

no, no, I get what you're saying here.

So

I've used the term a lot because it's used a lot with a graphics fidelity for like computer graphics and movies and things like that and video games.

But there aren't really that many technologies that start off so departed from real life that then rapidly approach real life and realistic fidelity.

There really aren't that many things that would fall into that category.

So there's only certain things?

Well, AI would be one that's very mainstream that you're very engaged with.

So I'm defending you here.

This actually does make sense, right?

Because this is one of the few technologies where the term uncanny valley could even possibly apply, right?

Almost exclusively now.

Yeah.

I mean, you could get stuff like when they do like, you know, they grow a steak in a lab or something like that.

Like, that would be something where some people have an artificial steak for the first time and they go, that's Uncanny Valley because I realize it's supposed to be a steak, but it's not.

Well, I mean,

people have been doing that with veggie burgers forever.

I mean, I like it, I like a good veggie burger, like a black bean burger.

I'm not, well, a black bean burger, I've had that, and I was actually surprised.

But I mean, the stuff that's grown in a lab, apparently that's just as good as anything else.

Why wouldn't it be?

And I just saw something the other day where somebody said, by the way, you're probably eating stuff that's been grown out of of lab anyway, because people have done studies and realized that we don't have enough livestock and farms and chickens and feed to keep up with the consuming of what people are doing right now.

I have totally derailed you with this conversation.

Let's get back to your topics.

We're back to you.

You're back on the floor here, bud.

Well,

I mean, the...

So about $21 trillion missing, and you think that that's absolutely an absurd finger since it matches up with our already ballooning national debt.

But keep in mind this.

I mean, this has been happening over decades, and it would make sense the reason why money's falling off.

You've heard of people talk about black budget programs before, right?

Where do you think the money comes from?

The Pentagon has never been, has never passed, has not passed their last seven audits.

They cannot figure out where 60% of their budget is going.

And that equals almost, that's going to equal a trillion dollars this year.

Well, it's rather convenient when you do have an entire branch of the government.

We say, we can't tell you what we're doing.

And most people go like, oh, sorry, I asked.

Okay, well, listen to this.

20 years ago, oh, Jesus, 24 years ago, on September 10th, 2001, the day before 9-11, the towers went down.

So Donald Rumsfeld gets on TV and says, and this is back in 2001, almost a quarter of a century ago, and says, yeah, we can't account for, we don't know where $2.1 million is.

So if you think this $21 million, $21 trillion is absurd, you're right.

It is.

But that was one instance where they couldn't find $2.1.

$2.1 million?

Trillion.

Oh, trillion dollars.

I was going to say, yeah, a million trillion.

And

you can find the clip yourself.

Yeah, that's like the cover chart.

So keep in mind, this has been going, keep in mind, Catherine Austin Fitz, who was the director or the accountant, whatever the hell she was for the housing and urban development under two presidents, sees

money coming in.

Not sure where it's going out.

And, you know, as I said before, the Pentagon has, they've never truly been audited.

They can't account for 60% of the money that's coming in.

And this year, it's going to be over a trillion dollars.

So yeah, money's being thrown around and given given away pretty freely.

So,

now that I've said her name, and we don't, we don't need to waste too much more time on it because this is, that's how you learn stuff.

Go down the rabbit hole yourself.

I don't want to waste your time on it here because there's a few other things I do want to talk about.

I caught a little bit of flack last time

from your visitors, at least in the comment section, that were like, we were talking about UFOs and UAPs.

And I go, and one of the, one of the questions, the QA, which by the way, I like that format, somebody said, what's your favorite UFO experience?

And I ended up going with the Nimitz ones, the ones from 2017 from the Navy through a FOIA request was released because that really got the conversation going in the public eye.

But obviously my own UFO experience was pretty amazing and meaningful to me.

So what happened to you?

So back in, I just took a picture of this so I could read it directly from here, but I drive into Lubbock to go see two of my buddies.

Lubbock is already out in the middle of nowhere.

And we decide we're going to go fishing.

And so we go to a

lake called Lake Allen Henry.

It is a well-known fishing destination for that type of person.

I'm the only person in the group that doesn't do it regularly.

These two guys are like true, when they're not fishing, they're hunting.

What kind of fishing do you do?

The only fishing I've ever done before other than...

No, I mean at Lake Allen, what are you doing?

I'm sure it's like bass and trout and shit like that.

Rod and Real?

Somebody, yeah.

Oh, yeah, Rod and Reel casting.

I mean, that's the whole fun part of fishing anyway, you know, is sitting there with, you you know, a cooler of beer and music on and you and your boys are just telling stories.

And honestly, from an athletic standpoint, just kind of flicking your wrist and watching that lure go way the hell out there.

And

the funny thing is, I'm such a child.

The first lure he gave me was called

a burper.

It floats along the top and you can hear it.

It goes.

So, I mean,

like a fucking 12-year-old for the first 15 minutes we're fishing.

I'm just laughing my ass off.

Is it the current of the river that makes it make that?

No,

it's the lure, is it?

It's coming across the

you cast and then you just reel it in.

You cast it and you reel it in.

So there's so many different types of fishing.

I mean, you can throw a lure, like I've gone deep sea fishing before, intercoastal or whatever.

I've done shark fishing.

I've done spotted trout and drum, whatever.

I'm steering you back in.

Sorry, I just was asking curious what kind of fishing.

Do you want to go fly fishing while you're here in Scotland?

I would love to.

Okay, well, I've done it before on the spay.

That's what we do here.

We go fly fishing.

There's a very famous river, the River Spey.

We can go there and fly fish.

So back on track, we were talking about how way out, way out in the fucking middle of nowhere is Lubbock, Texas.

Well, we go on a 45, 50-minute jaunt to the southeast of Lubbock.

So even further out in the middle of the fucking nowhere, where it's just this

lake, Lake Allen Henry.

And so when we get there, there's probably, you know, 20 trailers in the parking lot, a couple boats on it.

It's not that huge of a lake, but it's big enough to where you can fit all those people and everybody can find their own little cove and not be disturbed.

Well, the sun starts to set and we have not caught a fucking thing all day.

And my two friends start looking at each other.

We're already like a couple beers in.

Everybody's having a good time laughing.

And I go, is anybody going to catch a fish today?

And they look at each other and start laughing.

And

John goes to JP, he goes, you're about to see some shit.

And I go, whatever.

And I go, you're going to catch some fish?

He goes, I bet I catch.

10 fish by, or he says, I bet I catch seven fish by the time the sun sets.

And I go, you're on.

How much?

100 bucks?

100 bucks.

Cool.

Well, as soon as the sun gets about three inches above, or whatever, relatively just almost to the horizon,

he just starts casting.

I don't know whether I'm being taken for a fool or it's just this time of day is the only time.

You know that because they fished that spot before.

Yep, yep.

So all of a sudden, like within 10 minutes, he's pulled in seven fish.

I'm out a hundred bucks.

Badass.

Right about that.

So we decided to take a break and we're just sitting there.

We realize we're the only people on the lake.

So the sun's gone down.

We're way out in the middle of nowhere.

Even with the sun not fully set and the sky is a dark purple and pink towards the horizon.

You can see so many stars.

It is amazing when you can see a clear sky out in the country.

So anyway, so I'm going to read from you.

First of all, let me set it up.

Okay, now you're going to set it up.

Okay, go ahead.

Sorry, go ahead.

Sorry.

Okay.

Well, I'm setting up this.

So the sun going down, we realize we're the only people on the list.

Yeah, actually, you can just cut all that.

No, no, that's funny.

Come on, come on, come on.

So you're, you're, let me, let me sum up the setup so far.

You went fishing and it was sunset.

That was a long walk.

All right.

Yeah.

So

we.

God damn it.

You fucking rattled me down.

No, don't do that.

Don't do that.

You wrote it down.

Just read what you wrote.

I am going to read what I wrote.

So.

You always blame me.

You always blame me with time and stuff like that.

You have the floor.

It's always your fault.

This is your personal experience.

I know, tell us what happened, all right.

It happened to you.

So, so the sunlight finally goes down.

We're not fishing anymore, we're just drinking, and then all of a sudden, my uh, John looks up in the sky, and I'm gonna read it like this because I said, Um, I told these guys the next day, while I'm driving, I'm just gonna record this reaction before I forgot it because I didn't want it to get too far away from me.

So, I said, speaking as I'm driving.

So, there might be a few grammatical and spelling errors here, but you get the gist.

So, just after dark, there was no more purple-blue light.

John notices up in the sky, he goes, is that a meteor breaking up?

And JP goes, nah, man, that's Starlink.

You know, Elon's, this was back in 2018, I think.

I think I marked the date.

Oh, no, no.

It was August 8th, 2021.

So

John looks up in the sky and he thinks he sees a meteor breaking up because it looks like there's a bunch of white stuff together way off in the desert.

Well, you can't really tell depth until later.

and and uh jp goes no that's uh elon's starlink stuff but so my initial thought was that it looked like an asteroid or a meteor or even a man-made shuttle breaking up as it hit the atmosphere but almost as quickly as we were clearing that up that it it literally moved in our direction and we can tell like at us from a great distance up in space meaning it got bigger right exactly it got bigger and the uh

the proportions the uh what what do you call the uh dimensions No, no, no, there's another term for it.

You could tell it was moving towards.

We could tell it was moving towards because everything maintained its relative

distance from one another even as it was expanding.

So almost as quickly as we're clearing that up, it moves laterally in our direction from a couple miles to probably a couple thousand feet to our guess.

And the reason why I'm able to say that now is because after the recollection, and I'll describe it later, we can tell that that's what it was doing.

Is there any sound at this point?

No sound at all.

Okay.

What appeared to be fragment particles breaking off from one another and burning up in the atmosphere became much clearer that it was windows or lights on a craft, not natural like a blimp.

At first, I could swear that I could make out an outline of a very large ship against the stars, and almost as quickly as I thought that, it appeared to be in the shape of a star destroyer.

I mean, because it was blocking out the stars behind it, I could tell that there was a point over here, a big body here, and then a little flatter over here.

So it actually looked like a triangle to me, but not like the TB3s.

Some of your listeners are going to be that are into this stuff will think it was a military TB3.

It's not.

It was much larger than that.

It had the shape of a star destroyer.

So like a flat, flatter type pyramid on side with the point coming towards you?

Point coming towards you?

Yeah, but because of the windows, but because of the lights that were in a straight line,

those didn't move.

So, I mean, it had to be a ship of a shape,

like a pyramid on a tall isosceles pyramid on its

triangular shape, ship, star destroyer, got it.

Right.

So, oh, god damn it.

So, at first, I could swear I could make out the line of a large ship against stars, but it began to get, as soon as I said that, it got fuzzy around the edges as if it was semi-cloaking itself.

So, then I could, other than the windows, the lights that were lined up in a row, but not all evenly spaced, the stars began to appear behind what was blocked out before.

Okay.

Okay.

So

the array of windows looked like little boxes.

It appeared to be 20 of them

or so in a cell, a couple sizes, a couple different brightnesses, but definitely on the same horizontal line.

So it looked like an airplane, like an airplane with windows, you know,

just some with lights on, some with lights off.

Yeah.

So

for the first time, John noticed the image to where all three of us had stared at this thing.

It had to be like

45 seconds to a minute.

This was not.

It's a long time.

Yeah,

extremely long time.

And

so it's anywhere from 45 seconds to a minute.

And obviously time becomes a little skewed when you're seeing something like that.

But the coolest thing about this is nobody was scared.

We were all calm.

And I've heard about this before.

I've been like.

You get chosen.

People,

we could tell that they could see us because there was nobody else around.

So I think they were revealing themselves to us.

And I also think it was because we were calm and not scared.

I mean, other than JP going, what the fuck is that?

I go, you know, we were talking about earlier.

That's what that is.

Because we were getting that.

That's an interesting thing.

So you were

actually had come up earlier because they know as well as you do, I'm their conspiracy theory friend.

But as also as you are, they're comfortable talking about that stuff with me because they're like, I've known this dude for 25, 30 years.

John's known me for 40.

He's like,

he's clearly not crazy.

I'm going to ask you a question here.

Go.

45 seconds zoom in.

Nobody recorded it.

Okay.

I tried.

Okay.

And

this is not, by the way, keep in mind, back then, so I have an iPhone 16 Pro Max right now.

Yeah.

This motherfucker would not capture what I had that night.

Back then, I had like an iPhone 8 or whatever it was.

It's 21.

It's like three years ago.

Whatever.

These phones suck.

Why does our camera capturing ability suck so bad for iPhone?

You must be talking because of the darkness?

Because of the darkness, mostly, maybe, I don't know.

Let me ask about you guys too, because you said it acknowledged you.

Were you guys, do you have car car lights on or anything?

No, we were sitting in a cove drinking beer on the water on the water.

It's dark.

I'm like, I mean, it was so dark at one point.

I was like, gosh, should we make our way back?

But it didn't really matter because we're the only people on the lake.

We have a flashlight.

We can guide our way back to the boat ramp, get on, and get on our way, which is obviously what we're doing.

So then, what does this thing do?

So, this thing basically

comes from way the fuck out there to a couple thousand feet in front of us.

And then, as we're staring at it, we're not really talking much other than wow this is amazing you know that kind of stuff but totally calm totally comfortable and then it just slowly it doesn't zip off at light speed like you hear most people it just slowly goes you know across our horizontal until it disappears and i'm like

i'm looking around the lake as we're driving back to the boat ramp and i'm thinking you know there's a couple houses here how could anybody else there has to be somebody else who saw that

so after I sent that to those two guys, I said, here's my.

Yeah, usually you see posts on Facebook or whatever for the region or next door, but I guess where you were at Lake Allen Henry, there wasn't a big next door presence.

So I, I, even though I have these words in front of my face, I still didn't, you know, read it very well.

You kind of got the gist of what we saw.

And here were the responses from both of them until later one of them retracted.

It was like, I don't want to talk about it anymore.

He said, yes, agreed.

My account exactly.

The other one goes, goes perfect description.

Okay.

Okay.

So it wasn't until a couple of weeks later where John Perry finds a, I guess he must have shared it with somebody.

This is the guy that's the fire chief there.

So he is over like seven or 19 fire houses there.

So I'm sure he

mustered up the courage to talk to a few of his buddies about it.

And somebody said, here's what you saw, dude.

And he shows me this article of Elon Musk's satellites being launched.

He goes, this is it.

And I go, dude, you know goddamn well that's not what we saw.

So

that's,

and John and I haven't really spoken about it since then.

What would be his motivation for not wanting to retract his statements?

I don't know, fear, not wanting to believe what he saw.

Or just over time, you rationalized what it was?

Tried to, or tried to forget.

Maybe it freaked him out worse than I thought after he thought about it for a while.

Because for some people,

thinking that something else is out there is

mortifying to them.

And also, to be be clear, too, you said that within that day of fishing that you were talking about this stuff earlier in the day.

This isn't what set you on your journey.

No.

I've been doing this forever.

I just felt fortunate enough that finally I'm having my own experience.

And by the way,

I'm glad that you keep bringing it up because it keeps reminding me.

There's certain people out there that

feel like you can.

So we talked about this one time.

You have close encounters.

The first kind, second kind, third kind.

There's a fifth kind.

I mean, I guess there's a fourth kind, but the fifth kind is where you actually contact them.

There's people that gather around to do this.

I even have the app on my phone.

There's 130 people within five miles of me in Austin that use this, and I've never contacted them.

But there's people that gather every once in a while.

And, you know, once you start, this goes back to everything else, the connections of the mind and consciousness, the ether that exists between us that allows us to extract free energy.

It's the same type of stuff that allows these people.

Some people say you can,

I don't know, not communicate, but

request them.

So you ask them to visit you.

Again, this is the type of shit that I've never really delved into that much because I thought it was kooky science.

We have and most people do.

Done that on an official basis.

I mean, we sent out the Voyager satellite to communicate with other aliens.

So it's on that spectrum somewhere, but it sounds like

a bunch of people maybe in a field like just putting manifesting as a way of doing it.

Manifesting.

Exactly.

No, that's exactly right.

When you have a bunch of people that believe the same stuff don't have their mind clouded by negative thoughts all believe that they genuinely they've either had previous experiences themselves and i mean that's another thing think about every freaking abduction story you've ever heard it now has a

certain level of veracity to it now that especially when you've had your own experience i mean think of how how long betty and barney hill went if you are you familiar with that story it's one of the first abduction stories ever told and taken seriously.

And it was like back in the 50s or 60s.

No, they didn't know.

Betty and Barney Hill?

Betty and Barney Hill.

I think that's their names.

But I mean, this was back when photos were still in black and white and stuff like that.

But then you have, you know, we've, we talked about this on the show before,

the one by

Whitley, Whitney?

Oh, the communion story from the communion.

Yeah.

So, I mean, then it, and that's the whole reason why I was talking to Gary, about Gary Nolan on the last show.

I mean, these are very serious people that are very respected in their fields that have been fortunate enough or unfortunate enough to have an experience like this, but you have to take them seriously because these people are jeopardizing their careers and what has been their livelihood in order to pursue this topic.

So that's why this

whole arena has been expanding in the past years.

Not only do you have military videos being released, even though we're probably mostly seeing

You know, the defense contracts, like I said, and science that we've actually managed to create ourselves.

The fact is, we've been seeing this stuff long before the military-industrial complex existed.

So.

Did you feel like at any point during your experience that there was any kind of communication, any kind of connection, anything like that?

We,

the only connection I felt was it was obvious that they knew that they were

displaying their

they were They were there specifically for us because there was nobody else around.

It was right in front of us.

They couldn't have possibly been talking to anybody else the way you're describing it too It sounds like you're saying that they weren't getting closer to you to see you, but to show themselves.

Right.

Is that a fair way to say that?

It was definitely clear that they knew that they were exposing themselves to us and they were okay with it.

And then how does it end?

So you said it just kind of went away, but what do you mean?

It was like a blimp.

How high was it?

What was the lowest altitude do you think it was, like over your head?

Well, we talked about this at lunch the other day.

You remember how hard it is just to judge an airplane flying over your head?

Yeah, yeah.

But knowing that I've played at Morris Williams Golf Course in Austin, Texas when Mueller Airport was there, and I can, I know that they were 1,500 feet above when it seemed like it was 200.

I would have to say that these guys, and granted, remember, everything was dark.

At the moment we said, hey, it looks like a Star Destroyer, it changed.

It morphed into something else.

It became transparent except for the lights.

Yeah.

Except for what appeared to be windows.

Now, we didn't see any figures in the windows, but it was clearly,

I would have to say,

viewing ports from whatever this ship was

and it was huge it took up two-thirds of the sky that that was the amazing part whoa yeah I mean when we said when John pointed up there we go hey check it out you know how many times have you ever seen a falling star or a meteor or a comet it's amazing that's what it looked like have you ever seen a by the time you point it out to someone it's usually gone right so when he points this out

That's when it goes from a couple little tiny specks way up in the sky to fucking huge, taking up two-thirds of the sky right now.

It goes like this.

It goes.

And then I go, hey, that looks like a Star Destroyer from Star Wars.

And it goes,

the only thing there was the lights, which is what we saw way off in the sky.

And then does what?

Goes up?

Goes left.

Nope,

just goes left.

Goes right across our field of view.

So it goes from basically in the middle of the sky, taking up two-thirds, to all of a sudden out of our field of view over the horizon over here, and then it just disappears.

Out of the field of view.

So like behind a ridge or something.

Yeah, behind a forest that was up on the where the lake was.

Yeah, okay, so just out of view.

Okay, interesting, man.

Yeah, that's crazy.

And I've never heard this before from I haven't told it to many people.

Now, a lot of people know.

I mean, I obviously told it to

family members, close friends.

I mean, this isn't the kind of, I haven't even, this isn't the type of thing I've even shared on social media.

I don't have anything like that.

I have nothing like, I've never felt any kind of like presence or anything like that.

I've worked myself up into thinking like more so paranormal than anything like extraterrestrial.

But

I've never experienced anything like that before.

So the cool thing.

I certainly haven't caught six fish in an hour, motherfucker.

This dude was so gross.

I mean, he was so fast, too.

I mean, he'd throw his thing out there and he'd bring the fish in so fast, like once it got about 20 feet from

the boat, he had this trick where he'd flip it in.

And do something weird with the reel.

The fish would drop in the boat and the cast would go right back out.

Fuck him.

Wow.

Yeah, I was like, you guys are fucking tooling with me.

I mean, they knew they were going to make a hundred bucks, I guess.

That's where they're giving each other knowing looks, right?

Yeah.

But the cool part about this experience is with not only have we got, we've known each other forever.

I mean, I've known John since high school and we've talked to each other almost every day since then.

And then I've known John Perry since

25, 30 years ago because he was John's half-brother for half his life.

Okay.

So they grew up in Loving together and then a little after that.

So the three of us together were fast friends, knew each other inside and out, but John is the ultra Christian of the group.

I'm the ultra not Christian of the group.

And John Perry is directly in the middle.

I mean, this is a guy who I can't believe he doesn't suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder because the stuff that this guy's seen, you know, as the fire chief, I mean,

he tells a story sometime, and I'm like, you know, I don't really want to hear it, but the least I can do is listen to it because he's doing, he's a first responder doing the work that nobody else wants to do.

Just to be clear, too, also in America, the fire department also handles like paramedicine as well, for ambulances and things like that.

It's not necessarily the case in other countries, but yeah, they see a lot of stuff as firefighters.

Oh, or those departments.

Horrible things.

Can you, I mean, most people don't ever see anybody die at all in their life.

We don't have to go too deep into this.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Mute, mute it, whatever.

Yeah.

No, it's okay.

It's okay.

So, um, so what did that leave you?

So, what, how did that

was that for you, having that experience, was that like a moment of just realization that all the stuff you've been looking into was worthwhile?

It was a confirmation, was it affirmation?

I mean, the vindication I had was back when, like I said, 2017, when the Academy of the Stars folks led by Tom DeLong and Chris Mellon and all the Lou Elizondo and the people that have become huge in the ufology atmosphere, even though some of them might be shills mucking up the works a little bit.

but um you you can't dismiss somebody's body of work just because you know they ask for money or they try to raise money because this does take a lot of your time and a lot of effort but oh is that what makes them a shill

uh it it does when you realize that they're working for the other side so half the people that are giving us the information they give us like little seeds here and there and you can confirm that most of it is correct and then they give you something else and you're like this guy's this is a disinformation campaign now so i mean you have to be careful about all that stuff but yes i mean

basically what it did for me was, is it just made me realize you've really got to give a little more credence to other people's claims and abduction stories and interactions that they've had.

I mean, my vindication came in 2017 with the FOIA request by the Navy.

But other than that, I mean,

I told you, I've been interested in all this stuff.

I got kicked off mainly with the whole 9-11 thing, which was

the most obvious,

to me anyway, false flag, fake information thing ever.

That's a huge can of worms to open a view of the podcast.

Well, no, no, but I mean, but it's one that everybody's been

down that road so many times you don't really have to talk about at all.

They have their opinion.

They're not coming out.

It's just like politics.

You're in your own fucking zone now, and it's going to be very hard to flip anybody else out.

I feel compelled to say I don't agree with that.

I think it was exactly what it appears to be.

Okay, I think you're a fucking idiot.

I mean,

I could blow five things up and maybe that's a good thing we can do a podcast where you can blow up 9-11 stuff.

I just think it's been done to death, too.

And it's just, you know, it's.

If anything, if you want to.

You know, I don't think you're a fucking idiot.

I know you don't.

I just want to say, if you want to entertain the idea that maybe these people were backed by somebody, that's about as far as I would take that.

Well, the funny part is, I mean, that even goes down multiple levels, too.

You think it was 19 Saudi nationalists or whatever.

You know,

my favorite thing in the world is for nonstop three weeks, they were showing these idiots climbing on monkey bars, and that's who we're supposed to be scared of.

I mean, the propaganda machine has been in full effect ever since television has been available.

So that's why it's TV programming.

Do you believe we landed on the moon?

I believe we went there.

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Yeah, specifically.

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