Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 68: Q&T&A

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Speaker 1 Hello.

Speaker 1 And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. Yeah, every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.
Today we're recapping episode 68, which we named QNTNA.

Speaker 1 Hot. This episode is a little different.
Instead of telling each other about a case, we answer listener questions. What a great idea.
What a great way to not have to do homework. Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jesus Christ. I feel relieved in the future listening back to like we were taking care of ourselves.

Speaker 1 This episode came out May 11th, on the little baby of 2017, which just happens to also be Karen's birthday. Oh, that little baby.
So, okay, let's listen to the intro of episode 68.

Speaker 1 It's your birthday week.

Speaker 2 It's my birthday. It's your birthday week.
It's my birthday. It's your birthday month.
I love that we're traveling on my birthday. I know.

Speaker 2 That's what we give up for this podcast. What if I get the whole plane to sing happy birthday to you? I will ache with this podcast.

Speaker 2 Never talk to you again.

Speaker 2 You know that's my sensitivity. I cannot, in a restaurant, have anyone sing you happy birthday, right? No.
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 I didn't think so, but I couldn't remember if it was like funny or horrifying for you. Well, a plane would be bad because then you just have to sit there.

Speaker 2 Like a restaurant.

Speaker 2 What'd you say? I think it would be the best because it's unexpected. Well, so people hate your guts.

Speaker 2 It's like in a restaurant, you can join in or not, but in a plane, then you're just trapped with fake fun.

Speaker 2 But like remember when we were at that restaurant in Portland, the turkey restaurant? And

Speaker 2 someone sang happy birthday and it was so fun. Oh, yeah.
I always sing along. Do you sing along? Always.
It's always. Like not I mean like people I don't know.
It's the most fun. It is.

Speaker 2 Like you're so happy for them. Yes.
They have friends or a loved one that they're celebrating.

Speaker 2 This is a good thing. We're all in some way glad you're here.

Speaker 2 Or then it's just like a couple on a first date, you're like, did one of them make it up to seem fun that it's their birthday and tell them? Or like, as I said.

Speaker 2 And are they that pathetic that they have to make up birthdays to be fun? Or is it a girlfriend who just got dumped and her friends with her and she's like, you know what? You deserve a candle.

Speaker 2 I'm going to fucking, I'm going to make you laugh. I'm going to get you free hot fudge.
That's how much I love you.

Speaker 2 Hey, this is my favorite murder. We started.

Speaker 2 We're the true crime podcast that asks the question, what if we talk about other stuff?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 also,

Speaker 2 That's the question. Mispronounce things in a weird way.
It sounds like I'm a

Speaker 2 tagline. Hobo.

Speaker 2 I said it.

Speaker 2 This is the first podcast episode/slash transmission from the podcast nook of my new apartment. It's a loft.
There's wrestling memobilia everywhere because

Speaker 2 we watch wrestling name this place.

Speaker 2 We watch murder.

Speaker 2 This is the we watch. That's what the loft is called?

Speaker 2 That's awesome. They record here.
they get one wall of murder memory, of podcasting memories. Nope, where am I? Wrestling.
I'm wrestling memorabilia. And we get one and a half.

Speaker 2 Very filled out, very full of gifts, murderino gifts to us. Yes.
One of which we just got, and I'm so in love with. It's these like plush pillows, one for each of us.

Speaker 2 This girl got custom-made fabric of squirrels and bunnies and foresty stuff.

Speaker 2 And it's adorable, but there's also murder scenes, and like it's cartoon murder scenes, and skulls, and bones, and like buried bodies. Yeah, and strips of material that say stay out of the forest.

Speaker 2 It looks like you know, police do not cross line, but it says stay out of the forest, and they're amazing. Let's give her a very cute shout-out.
It's called,

Speaker 2 her name is Mariah, and it's Etsy.com,

Speaker 2 and her name is Kukalamaka. Kukalamakla? What's that? I don't know.
You're right. I was just throwing it out there.
That's right. Huh? It's K-O-O-K-A-L-A-M-A-K-A.

Speaker 2 I hope she's selling these because they're fucking incredible and they're like, they're like legit. Well, and also they're on this for all the other people who have given us lovely gifts.

Speaker 2 Just know they're here. They're all around us.
They're all around us right now. Somebody tweeted at me the other day, Did your lava ball necklace make it back from the Fox Theater? Which was like

Speaker 2 the first leg of

Speaker 2 the tour way long ago. And I would like to report to that person, yes, of course it did.

Speaker 2 It's not in this loft. It's somewhere in my kitchen.
But we, all the stuff people give us, we ship back and then we like sit in it.

Speaker 2 It's going to be, once it's all up and I've finally dealt with it, it's going to be, this place is going to be a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder. So good.

Speaker 2 So thanks for those. Thank you.
Lovely gifts.

Speaker 2 Oh, so now we have to talk about casting Jean Bonnet. Because you guys are like, I thought you were going to.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So here's what, I'll just do the quick version of what happened.

Speaker 2 We decide what we're going to do is do our first ever live watching podcast recording where together George and I watch Casting Jam Bonnet and comment on it as it goes and basically have that kind of experience.

Speaker 2 Hilarity ensues. Wouldn't that be hilarious and fun and just fascinating? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Turns out, no.

Speaker 2 I would say we got. Well, it turned out that Casting Jambonet was not the thing we thought it was.
It was a different thing. I would personally say it was a study on the

Speaker 2 strange personalities and behavior of actors. Yeah, that's close.
There was a lot of

Speaker 2 the desperation of the

Speaker 2 show business. There were a lot of other things happening besides just the story of John Bonnet Ramsey's murder.
Maybe this will finally be the thing

Speaker 2 that catapults me. Much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started it.
Yes. Because we never.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And it was a lot of opinions of people that I didn't care about their opinions.
It's their opinions seemed super made up. Yeah.
And as we all know, no one likes to look in the mirror. Right.

Speaker 2 So I was sitting there going, you were fucking pissed off. Lady, shut your mouth.
You don't know anything about it. And then I was like, oh, damn it.

Speaker 2 So it was not. I think we got 15, 20 minutes in and we just like looked at Steve and we're like, turn it off.
This is not. Because I couldn't, it wasn't even like I could riff about it.

Speaker 2 It was too weird. Lots of the things that were happening were visual

Speaker 2 or feel like just bad vibes. And we were basically sitting there kind of shitting on normal people who were tricked into being in this documentary.

Speaker 2 I think in the beginning when we didn't realize what it was, we were like, this is funny and it's good. And like we were being really funny and riffy.
And then it got kind of sad.

Speaker 2 And then we just, I realized we had both been sitting there in silence for five minutes. Yeah.
And I was like, this isn't, what do we do for this week's episode? Because this isn't fucking it.

Speaker 2 And so we put up a live episode.

Speaker 2 One of our favorite live episodes. One of our favorite people

Speaker 2 had been asking for. And we were going to put out anyways.

Speaker 2 We've built in a security system so that we can take artistic chances.

Speaker 2 But that was not one we should have ever. This week is one we're going to take, and I feel like it's going to go well.
This is a good one. Stephen, was this your idea?

Speaker 3 A QA episode? Yes.

Speaker 2 I think it was we all like. Was it Georgia? Yeah.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Such a brat. It was like, I did it.
The look on your face when I just looked over at you right now, you were just like, ooh. I hate myself.
It was like, I hate myself.

Speaker 2 Why do I just let everyone have it? We can all enjoy it. It was my hit.
And yes.

Speaker 2 You don't think I do that all day long? That's all anyone. If you think of good ideas, you want credit for it.
Such a fucking know-it-all. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Steven. Stephen's cheeks are all red, and now he feels a deep shame for something he did and

Speaker 2 I like stole it. Did you steal it? No, I, Stephen.
No, you're good. Thank you.
Stephen, let her up. What were you going to say? Oh, I was going to say, yeah.

Speaker 3 QA.

Speaker 2 Be good.

Speaker 2 You are correct in your A.

Speaker 2 The Q is

Speaker 2 just going to say, did you have something to say about John Bonnet? It looked like you were going to pick up the mic.

Speaker 3 Oh, I was going to say, we ended up watching like 45 minutes of it.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 So if you want to pay $1,000 to listen to that, give it to charity. We don't need it.
But you can't. Also, you know, you're not allowed to.
We won't tell you what charity it is.

Speaker 2 You're such a marketer. You're such a like, how do we take this thing and turn it into something? I love it.
I'm a know-it-all, and I'm a fucking marketer. I'm a know-it-all.
I'm a non-marketer.

Speaker 2 Pick one. I mean, there's all these lanes we can be in.
But here's the thing. Know-it-alls, it's because we have experience being right.
And so it's, you know what I mean? You know why?

Speaker 2 It's because we actually know it all.

Speaker 2 Everything. I mean.
If there's anything this podcast has proven is that we know everything. We know everything.
Down to

Speaker 2 science. Someone tweeted and said, please make sure people understand that it is important to give like resuscitation.

Speaker 2 It was something where there was a person who had a lot of experience who was just like, you've basically told people they don't have to give

Speaker 2 artificial respiration or whatever any of that is. She was like, there's a thing on the wall now when you just pull it off.
Don't worry about it. You can pull the thing off the wall.

Speaker 2 And there's a woman like, please know that's not true at all. There's a blowhorn on the wall.
And if you just ram it in their face and blow horn in their face, they're fine.

Speaker 2 You don't have to give CPR, you don't have to know CPR anymore. No, congratulations.

Speaker 2 Okay, so, but something came out of the Jean Bonnet episode. Yes, that's right, because we did take the time at the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other, which we promised.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Thank God Karen remembered that. Yeah, so we're actually going to play, that was real time.
Yeah, I mean, we're going to play that back to our friend. We're not going to recreate it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we're going to play you our reveal that we promised you of our tramp stamps. Go.

Speaker 2 Quickly tell everyone

Speaker 2 how and why and where and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp. Go.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I had my heart broken really bad for like the first big time ever. I was like 19 and it was like ripped from my fucking chest.

Speaker 2 And I just needed a distraction so badly. I was so sad that I was just like, I'm getting a fucking tattoo.
So I had my friend.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? I was just like, I need something else to fucking focus on.

Speaker 2 So I had my friend who had a bunch of tattoos take me to the tattoo artist in Orange County that he went to, who ended up sucking. Yeah.
And I got hearts on both my upper flanks.

Speaker 2 You use the word flank, which is great and perfect. You can see that in your mind.
Absolutely. So it's two red hearts with a black little outline on them.
They're cute. Yeah.
It's almost like

Speaker 2 you accessorized yourself permanently. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't mind them and I never see them. I forget they're there.
And it totally worked. It totally distracted me.
Yeah, that's great. Guys, get a tattoo if you're sad.
Yeah, it's perfect.

Speaker 2 What about you?

Speaker 2 I just have a salmon.

Speaker 2 I just have a picture of a salmon. Is it like a filet of salmon on a plate with like some parsley in it? It's some delicious braised salmon.

Speaker 2 It actually looks exactly like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's truck cab. You know, those,

Speaker 2 it's like, oh, here, I like fishing these specific kind of fish. It's based on that picture.
Is it color? No. Or is it? Okay, why did you get that?

Speaker 2 Alcoholism.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we... Why is salmon? I've told this story before, but the original plan was we were going to get Pogue Mahone tattooed on our asses.
It was me and my two other friends. What's that?

Speaker 2 That's Gaelic for kiss my ass. So we thought we were drunk.
We thought it would be very funny

Speaker 2 to get that tattooed on our ass. We went to the tattoo

Speaker 2 parlor on Sunset that's not there anymore. And when we told the guy that was a plan, he refused to do it.
He said it would look terrible. The words would have to be too big.

Speaker 2 Thank fucking God for him. But then my friends, who also already had tattoos, had backup like plan B's immediately.
Right. And I was just standing there still totally drunk and like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 And so I did like a thing that I thought would be kind of funny or like, I can't really explain it. It's just the perfect symbol of how I did everything in the 90s.

Speaker 2 It's almost like a, it's a fuck it tattoo. Yes.
It's a who fucking cares about life tattoo. It's a permanent fuck it, which is what's stupid about it.
Well, it's on your back. Who sees it? Nobody.

Speaker 2 Not me. I mean, when you're walking away.
Not me. Not me.

Speaker 2 I love the fact that you hate fish. Yeah.
I can't eat it. You can't eat fish.
You can't eat it. All right, Steven, look away.
We're going to show each other our tramp stamps.

Speaker 2 Karen, show me your salmon. It's not going to be good.
Your salmon tail. It's not a whale tail.
Let's see. Oh, wow.
It's actually done really well. Is it? It's really light, too.
Yes.

Speaker 2 It's like a shape. It's well shaded.
I was expecting like a cartoon cartoon outline of it. Oh, no.
No, no, no. It's actually done really well.
It's not as big as I thought it would be.

Speaker 2 He's wearing glasses.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's got a cigar in his mouth.

Speaker 2 For me, it feels humongous, like the size of the palm of my hand. It's not.

Speaker 2 And honestly, and I'm not just, you don't need to do this, but if you wanted to get that removed, I bet it would take just a few sessions. I bet it would.
Because it's not bad.

Speaker 2 It just looks almost like veins, like strangely placed veins right now. It's really light.
Okay, let's see yours.

Speaker 2 Mine isn't. And if I ever want to get it removed, I just have to cut my flanks off.
Oh.

Speaker 2 at least you have flanks. Yeah, talk about mud flaps.

Speaker 2 Oh America, I wish you could see what I'm seeing right now.

Speaker 2 Kind of cute, right?

Speaker 2 It's such a 19-year-old Georgia move. So good.
I mean, it looks like two Mrs. Grossman stickers on either side of the above of your butt cheeks.
That's so funny. Fuck it, man.
Just kind of classic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, fuck it. Adrian, thank you for breaking my heart.
Thank you for having a girlfriend the the whole time you were dating me. Oh, Adrian.
Thank you for ghosting me.

Speaker 2 Adrienne, what did you think was going to happen? And also, do you still feel that now, that human impact hangover that you left?

Speaker 2 Yeah, do you feel it? We're friends on Facebook.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 That's why I can't be on Facebook. I'm so much better than him.

Speaker 2 Now I'm one. And you got the hearts to prove it.
And I got the fucking hearts to prove it. The broken hearts and the butt hearts.
The heart of your butt. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's tattoo. Okay, we just had to, we had to get that cleared up before we really could give our full attention.
We can't keep talking about it and then not do it. That's exactly right.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Ah.

Speaker 2 Remember? Remember?

Speaker 2 And then, so something did come out good of.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we learned a little more about each other.

Speaker 2 We're just building that bridge of love. If you had to get another tattoo, what would it be?

Speaker 2 Your face next to the salmon.

Speaker 2 I'm on the salmon.

Speaker 2 You're the salmon's birthmark, and it's all fate.

Speaker 2 It's like God's own. You close-up look.
God's own salmon. I mean, I feel like obligated to get a stay sexy, don't get murdered tattoo.
You do?

Speaker 2 I do, but then what if it all goes to shit and I'm like reminded every day that like this ended in a fire? Well, you'll be reminded every day anyway, so you might as well

Speaker 2 make it look like you have some sort of sense of humor about it. That's true.
You can't.

Speaker 2 And then if I get stay sexy, don't get murdered when it all goes to shit, I can write, I didn't stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 They're all so, they're so adjustable. There's tattoos.

Speaker 2 There's nothing more flexible than a tattoo.

Speaker 2 Oh, and then, oh, I wanted to read a corrections corner email. Yeah.
Right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Guess what? I was wrong about stuff. This is Georgia, by the way.

Speaker 2 This is from

Speaker 2 how do you say that name? Let's see.

Speaker 2 Shiloh? It's got to be better than Shiloh. Shiloh.

Speaker 2 Shit.

Speaker 2 You're right. How come I can't put letters in the correct?

Speaker 2 Because you panic. I have panic dyslexia.
Is that what you're saying? Don't you think, like, the second you look at it and it's not immediately recognizable, you're like, you're going to get it wrong.

Speaker 2 And then you don't let yourself. I also don't think that the, I do want to say that the name Siobhan, the spelling is not fair.
I think I've said that before. Anyways.

Speaker 2 The Irish name, Siobhan? Yeah. No, it's in spelling.
It looks like Sciobon. It's not fair.
It's insanity, but that's Gaelic. That's like a whole different language.

Speaker 2 Okay, someone who can't read things, it's not fair. Okay.
Yeah, that one's not fair. First of all, I wanted to thank you for Shelly for sharing Maitrice's tragic story.
That's a couple episodes back.

Speaker 2 That's Maitrice Richardson, a really great, not great, but a horrible story that's important.

Speaker 2 Okay, anyways, I think it's incredibly important for the public to be aware of such mishaps and encourage law enforcement entities to learn from these tragedies.

Speaker 2 Both of the agencies mentioned in your story have been around for a long time and have both wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history.

Speaker 2 My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and the LA County LA County Sheriff's Department are not the same thing. Yeah, hi.

Speaker 2 Both are two enormous departments within the County of Los Angeles, and lots of people think that they are

Speaker 2 synonyms for each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially

Speaker 2 when there was

Speaker 2 neglect or misuse of powers, it's important to hold the correct agency accountable. In your retelling of the story, you actually referred to both.
However, this was entirely the Los Angeles County

Speaker 2 Sheriff's Department case.

Speaker 2 LAPD was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Stephen, for taking the time to read this.

Speaker 2 I only made the correction because I know that you have such a large audience and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a turbulent social and political climate towards law enforcement, should be perpetuated.

Speaker 2 True. A small additional correction, a law enforcement officer is never trained to shoot someone simply to injure them.
For instance, hit them in the shoulder or the leg, said Georgia.

Speaker 2 He didn't write that, or she didn't write that. I just said that.

Speaker 2 There are other tools at their disposal for less than lethal force, and the firearm is only meant for one purpose. Wow.
Interesting.

Speaker 2 If I can ever be of any help on any of these topics, please feel free to reach out. I think we needed this person in an entire episode.
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 2 I am a forensic psychologist with a research background in police psychology, and I also have law enforcement experience. Keep up the amazing work, ladies.
I love all that you do.

Speaker 2 Shiloh. Shiloh.

Speaker 2 Wow. Thank you so so much for that email.
Ivan, listen.

Speaker 2 You know what's embarrassing to me about that email is I have, as I've mentioned several times, a lot of relatives in the San Francisco Police Department. Right.

Speaker 2 But I also have had relatives that are sheriffs.

Speaker 2 So I feel like if anyone should have known that very

Speaker 2 big difference, I should have at least said something. Should be the comedy writer? No.
Why would you know that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just feel like that's something I kind of know back in the back of my mind. But I think it's because

Speaker 2 they do it in different areas. So, like, if you were to tell me they were synonymous, I would have been like, oh, that makes sense to me.
That was a perfect email of telling us why we were wrong.

Speaker 2 And also, information that we do really need to know. Yeah, I'm so happy to get those in the same way that when we were told that you don't say prostitute, you say sex worker.

Speaker 2 We have just completely tried never to do that again. And I fucking correct people all the time in the most cocky way.
Actually, dad, I corrected my dad the other day.

Speaker 2 Don't you feel like there's nothing better, there's nothing more quickly that you do that with new information than turn around and use it on somebody else? Like, that's my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 Oh, the second, I'm in it. The second somebody says anything about the sheriff and the LAPD, I'm going to be like, I'm sorry, excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt your dinner.

Speaker 2 Those are two different entities. They're not synonymous.
And do I use that word?

Speaker 2 And it's because we know everything. Yes.

Speaker 2 Even until we learn it, and then from there on. But then, yeah, but then we still know it.
And time is a flat circle.

Speaker 2 So last week when we played our live episode from Indianapolis, is that right? And Karen's fucking fabulous murder. What was her name? Bel Gunnis.

Speaker 2 Bell Gunnis had a fucking thing in the newspaper asking for her husband that she was going to murder. And it said at the end.
Triflers need not apply.

Speaker 2 And we said to you guys at this show, that's our next shirt. And guess what? It is.
Yep. Let's do birthday corner.
Oh, go to myfavorite murder shirts.com.

Speaker 2 I'm all over the place. I love it.

Speaker 2 Karen, when this comes out, it will be my birthday. God willing, if when this comes out,

Speaker 2 I could be dead soon. That's true.
Well, I was thinking more that the entire world will implode and there won't be a single day. In two days, the grid off the grid, the grid will be down.

Speaker 2 That's going to take at least four more months. I'd say four days.
So when this comes out on Thursday, we have, let's see, wait.

Speaker 2 Two days. Two days.
The grid won't go down. Two days? Yeah.
Friday, we're fucked. But on Thursday, happy birthday.
Thank you kindly. I'm so excited for you.
We're going to be on tour. Yep.

Speaker 2 It's a dream birthday. I get to be in a hotel room, which I love.

Speaker 2 I get to go do shows for our fans, which is the most fun. Oh, my God.
The biggest ego boost, the most, the best way to make a living. Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic about the hotel room.

Speaker 2 No, that's right. Could live in hotel rooms.
There's nothing I love more. I thought you were gonna get like real dark and deep of like, I'm gonna be alone.
No, okay, you're half. I'm gonna be.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna be alone.

Speaker 2 I was like, Vince and I will take you to dinner. I was like, How much do you want to be with a couple that's like

Speaker 2 your just make out the whole time? Anyway, you guys, what TV shows do you like?

Speaker 2 I wish I had a show on your birthday. That would be so fun.
Just travel. The best part about touring.
Can I bring you a donut on stage on Friday at the DC show? Whichever one's first.

Speaker 2 Or do you not want a whole audience singing happy birthday to you? You probably do. Oh, I absolutely demand it.
Okay, great. Stephen, what were you going to say? Happy birthday?

Speaker 3 Yeah, just happy birthday to you.

Speaker 2 Oh, thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Stephen.
I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age, you stop caring about birthdays.
And I know that people say that.

Speaker 2 It's a real mom thing to say while you throw a dish towel over your shoulder. But you really, just, you know.
I think at 23, you stop caring about birthdays unless you're really just

Speaker 2 unless you're really looking for something yeah

Speaker 1 okay we're back we are back any changes in the way you feel about birthdays since 2017 karen i feel like any previous stance i had was deeply affected by covid and quarantine so any of that kind of like sour pussy like it doesn't matter whatever is like i feel like in quarantine i really had a lot of those dark nights of the soul of what if I never get to be with like eight friends in a room again?

Speaker 1 What if there's no more game night ever? Like that idea was very upsetting to me.

Speaker 1 So I think I'm trying to be better about like making plans, even though it seems like a whole nother job to throw a party.

Speaker 1 I've always been very firm on this thing where I have a lot of friends who don't like to celebrate their birthday. They don't want to do a party.
They don't want to do a thing.

Speaker 1 And I always tell them, it's not for you. Everyone is lonely and they need a reason to go somewhere and talk to people.
You're doing them a favor by letting them celebrate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You turning 47 or whatever the fuck. Like that's so nice.
They need a reason. Let it be you.
I know. Yeah.
It's hard. Yeah.
You know what? That's such a good, that would completely work on me.

Speaker 1 And also, I think maybe sometimes the people who say, I don't care about my birthday, are they just the people who are like, what's that thing where you have decision fatigue or whatever?

Speaker 1 They're just like overwhelmed and they're like, I wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to please everybody at once.
Like, oh my God, pick a bar and go to it.

Speaker 1 Literally, like that's pick a bar and pick a time and you're set and an outfit and you're fucking done. You just have to show up and you got to leave whenever you want.
You got to, it's your birthday.

Speaker 1 You got to do whatever you want. Everyone buys you drinks the whole time.
Totally. Chit chat in a way.
You're so right about that. People need to hang out.

Speaker 1 So they're like, everyone's excited for anyone's birthday because it's like, yes, give me a chance.

Speaker 1 I just realized, though, that philosophy of it's not for you, it's for everyone else and let them is also the same philosophy I have about funerals.

Speaker 1 You know what? They're very similar situations. It's not for you.
It's not about you. It's about everyone else mourning, not you.
It's not you and you don't get to decide. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 It's very deep. I was surprised that this was the first episode from the pod loft.
I thought we were doing it. Doesn't it be late? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But no, but I guess not. I think, you know, but I guess not.
It was, what is that, a year since we started? Over a year since we started. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I guess like, it feels like so much more because so much happened. I think, like, we finally signed some kind of contract that gave us some cash money.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I could afford a deposit on an apartment, you know. On a fancy high-ceilinged apartment.
Yeah, with a fucking dishwasher. Yeah.
And some delicious cold coffee anytime, day or night.

Speaker 1 I have bad news. I have to tell you.
Oh, no. Gus the jacuzzi cat has gone up to the great jacuzzi in the sky to hang out with Elvis.
Oh, R.I.P. Gush.

Speaker 1 And George, they're all chilling around a jacuzzi together, smoking fucking cigars. George would be trying to kill those cats with every fiber of her being.
No, she wouldn't. I refuse.

Speaker 1 She was a very unfriendly desert dog that didn't even want to be in my house.

Speaker 1 She was not a friend to animals at all. That's so funny.
She's like, maybe she chilled out in heaven, though. Maybe she liked liked everything, she felt safe again.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 You can put down whatever it is that you've been carrying. Yeah.
All your trauma from out in Hemet. Let it go.
Hemet. It's okay.
Little meth dog.

Speaker 1 Oh, and we reveal to each other that we both have tramp stamps. Right.
That was an epic moment. That was a turning point in this podcast.
It's like, I think so. No, we're stuck together.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is like a disgusting, a disgusting DNA reveal that we're actually like, we actually are related or something. Our tramp stamps were synced.
And it was like, well, now.

Speaker 1 Our white trash got synced up. And we're just like, yeah.
Yes. And now we're stuck.
Hey, permanent fuck up. What's going on?

Speaker 1 We've dedicated it. We've tattooed it onto ourselves.
Yeah, we touched tramp stamps and now we're, we did like, like a blood, like, you know, what's it called? What? A blood pact? A blood oath?

Speaker 1 And tramp stamps. And then we reversed the luck.
We reversed the flunking out of every school.

Speaker 1 The only way to turn back into each other ourselves, it's like freaky Friday this whole time is to touch the tramp dance again.

Speaker 1 And fucking wrap this podcast. That's right.
Come over right now, please. Get over here.
Please. Yeah.
Yeah. That was great.
Oh, and also talking about being on the road. I know.

Speaker 1 And we're fucking doing three cities a weekend. I know.

Speaker 1 Yes. That was our first tour, our first real tour, right? And we're doing, yeah, we're doing like drive to the next city, stop at a fucking Burger King or Waffle House if you're lucky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just remember an Arby's stop once at the end of a weekend, and I was just like, I can't. I love Arby's, but I

Speaker 1 can't be more constipated right now than I already am.

Speaker 1 I always think about how much I used to get at Starbucks in the morning because I'm like, as this day goes by, it's just going to be less and less all day. So, like, I'll get this for later.

Speaker 1 And maybe if I eat these three things, I won't be hungry until five. And I won't need to eat, drink coffee from the fucking stop and come or come and go or whatever the fuck it's called.
Like,

Speaker 1 road life

Speaker 1 it just makes me think of that we were at a hotel that was i'd say mid-range yeah but at least it had room service like all 24 hours yeah and i got a bowl of mac and cheese and they sprinkled goldfish on the top and i was like this is a new low you literally reminded me that when we got home from this tour i said to vince Let's start doing nice hotels, okay?

Speaker 1 Because he was booking all the hotels, you know, and I'm like, and we were being frugal because we didn't have the money. And

Speaker 1 I was like, you know what? If we're going to do this, we're going to stay at four stars and up. Okay, please.

Speaker 1 Well, you know what? That reminds me of, do you remember that hotel? And we've talked about it several times, but that hotel in wherever we were, Palm Beach or Miami or somewhere. Thinking of Miami.

Speaker 1 Yes. And it literally smelled like we were inside of a pool.
Like it smelled like chlorine, the entire hotel.

Speaker 1 I felt like that was one of the other breaking moments of like, no more convenience hotels, no more mid-range hotels. Like we have to be able to go somewhere and rejuvenate.
Right.

Speaker 1 It has to feel like a treat to get back to the room. That's really key.
Exactly. Cause it's enough work.
Every other part of it is work. It is.

Speaker 1 And that has become like one of the things I look forward to. in tour from then and now is like the nice hotels have nice fucking restaurants.

Speaker 1 So like, that's like one of the things that keeps me going is like making a reservation at the hotel's restaurant and looking at their fucking room service menu and looking at the amenities.

Speaker 1 And do they have like the last hotel we just stayed at had a infrared light sauna in the gym. Did you go into it? Yeah, I fucking went into it.

Speaker 1 Infrared light sauna. Like those are, that's the fucking top tier of like, of like wellness in my mind.
Yes, that's great. Yeah, I totally went in it.

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Speaker 2 Hey, let's get questions asked at us. Okay, great.
That was our new idea of questions.

Speaker 2 My idea. It's a QA episode, everybody.
Get ready.

Speaker 2 Did you make any kind of keyboard music for the QA episode?

Speaker 2 I got two days.

Speaker 2 Yes, can you, do you think you lay in like ready? Keyboard exciting music?

Speaker 3 Oh, I just saw a guy Branham, so I'm thinking about, you know, talk show game show.

Speaker 2 So I got a Okay, let's pause right here for Steven to put his music in. QA music.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, Stephen, that's amazing. It's all teed up now.
What if it was just a baby screaming?

Speaker 2 Just a Jeopardy theme.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's really good. With a baby screaming over it.
That's perfect there.

Speaker 3 So here's some stats.

Speaker 3 400 emails in 3.5 days.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 And yeah, that's the only stat, I guess.

Speaker 2 And the other stat is that's the only stat. Stat words.

Speaker 3 So, the first question I thought would be the most interesting is: who thought of the name My Favorite Murder? And what were the this? Oh, Jessica asked this.

Speaker 3 And what were the other name alternatives?

Speaker 2 Oh, never any other alternatives. It came out real fast.
From what, how I remember it,

Speaker 2 I was, I believe we were on the phone. No,

Speaker 2 we were, I thought we were at Cafe 101 in a booth. Well, that's very possible.
You mean at our, like that four-hour

Speaker 2 one of our four, I think it was the one where I finally was like, can we make this a podcast? And I was like, meet me here, we're doing this. Okay.
And then we, we, like, slowly came up with the idea.

Speaker 2 Not slowly, I think it was like pretty rapid. It was pretty fast.
And then I think I went to P and came back and you were like,

Speaker 2 what about this? Yeah. And then I was like, Yes.
And that was it. Yeah.
There was never any.

Speaker 2 I remember the notebook I brought, and I recently went to find the page of like notes I took on like what we could do. And there wasn't any because it was just like, okay, let's do that.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I just remember you came out

Speaker 2 with the,

Speaker 2 it was like, it was your idea to do it. And then it was you brought the hometown murder idea.

Speaker 2 So it was almost like it just went, it was like watching something lay out in front of you where you're just like, oh yeah, this.

Speaker 2 I remember pitching that, but for some reason I remember being on the phone. But then I also remember.
It absolutely could have been. I mean, who knows? Yeah.
Really? I would never argue it.

Speaker 2 But I do remember that night going home and because I was, I think I said verbally to you, what if we'd had like a kind of a dark, true detective style theme?

Speaker 2 And then I went home just to, I just sat in my TV room and did what is now the actual theme.

Speaker 2 One take. But it was a one take kind of example.
It was supposed to be an example. That's why the sound is so bad on it.
I wonder if we still have the text.

Speaker 2 I still have the recording you sent me because it's in all the texts on your iPhone. Yeah.
But I just want, it's got to be in there somewhere of like, how's this song?

Speaker 2 And I think I was like, great, let's do it. I think you recorded it after we recorded our first episode.
Yes, that's right. Because the first one didn't have anything, right? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I think the first one, we just needed to put it

Speaker 2 opening. Yeah.
All right. Is this interesting? I don't know.
Are you interested? I don't know. I'm interested.
I guess I am. This is fun.
Do you know what I love? Talking about ourselves.

Speaker 2 Totally. You know what this podcast is? Talking about ourselves.
Totally awesome. We're talking about other stuff.
Yep.

Speaker 3 If you switched bodies freaky, this is from Melissa. Yeah.
If you switched body's freaky freaky Friday style for one day, what would you do as the other person?

Speaker 2 I would touch my big boobs. Not kidding.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, I'm touching your boobs.

Speaker 2 I just immediately was like, I'd have big boobs.

Speaker 2 I would

Speaker 2 start off with your most insane outfit, like

Speaker 2 your most extreme vintage dress. I know which one it is.
Pre-breakfast.

Speaker 2 And I would change my clothes 25 times that day. Because I have so many clothes.
Because you have so many outfits and you have so many combinations. And Georgia's this thing.
I call, I have one shirt.

Speaker 2 I call it my meeting shirt. And every time George and I have a meeting together, I show up in the same shirt.
Georgia. I've had a lot of meetings lately, too.

Speaker 2 So it's kind of been like, it's pretty hilarious. And I'm like, I am like, what am I going to wing? Yep.
And I'm like, should I leave now? I'm already 15 minutes late.

Speaker 2 But then Georgia rolls up in clothes that I'm like, I remember people wearing that in 1982. Like these outfits that are so rad and perfect.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 I would do outfits. I have a shopping addiction.
It's a problem. No, but I did show up to therapy today in like my favorite sweater.

Speaker 2 And my therapist almost started crying because she was like, I had that when I was in elementary school.

Speaker 2 You have so many clothes that I had in elementary school. It's hilarious.
That means a lot to me. I love dressing.
I love outfits.

Speaker 2 This is what happens when all you have is hand-me-downs when you're a kid from like boys, like your older cousin, boy cousins. You become a shopaholic and then just have all the clothes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And the cutest dresses. Thank you.
I touch my boobs.

Speaker 2 Still.

Speaker 2 Oh, you know what I would do too? I would have cleavage.

Speaker 2 I learned what it was like for someone to talk at my boobs. You know how like girls are.
I was like, he just stared right at my boobs and he's like, that's never happened to me.

Speaker 2 I think when you have big boobs. Well, it just depends on the kind of person you are, but I've been the person that's been like,

Speaker 2 I know, you know, these are not the droids you're looking for. I'm sorry to objectify you.
No, it's okay.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry if I'm making you uncomfortable. It's okay.
I just have had like most basically an A cup my entire life. I've always wanted to be the kind of girl that like, oh, it's a special party.

Speaker 2 I'm going to put on, I'm going to put a push-up run and put on like this dress. But my boobs, like, in that scenario, it looks rated X.
It's like, it looks, it looks,

Speaker 2 it looks like it's not for public consumption. I also have like a smutness around showing too much skin where it's like, why do I have to do this in society?

Speaker 2 Like, I get, I definitely, when I'll try to wear a low-cut shirt, I get sad. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like, you feel like you feel like you have to.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, I I feel objectified, like I'm doing to you right now. Congratulations.
It's fun when your friend does it, though. Okay, it is, right? It's a compliment.

Speaker 3 So, this is a question that we got from a lot of people. Oh, but I had a question about it because

Speaker 3 isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders? John Bonet and the Sacramento's East Area Rapists.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 3 are those technically your my favorite murders?

Speaker 2 We get asked that a lot when it's like, what is your favorite murder? And I just don't think there's an answer. No.

Speaker 3 So then my question is:

Speaker 3 has that changed since you've started doing this podcast?

Speaker 3 Has like your, what you would consider your favorites, has it changed at all since you started?

Speaker 2 I would say it has changed because

Speaker 2 to me,

Speaker 2 it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out as a story is become my favorites.
Because when it's like a person that's,

Speaker 2 say it's just like they killed a bunch of people in one day at the end, Like, it's hard to make that have legs or be, you know, like you have to do a bunch of other research to pull that out in any way.

Speaker 2 Like, there's a lot of murderous people like, I wish you would do this, that we just can't because there's not, it's just this sad short story and there's no conclusion to it.

Speaker 2 Or, like, we've talked about this a couple of times, and there's been a couple people that tweeted, but the Georgia Moses story, who is the other little 12-year-old girl who was murdered in my hometown, who is black, and so she is basically the like the uh it was the opposite of Polly Klass, where Polly Klass, it was a national news story, and nobody's ever heard of Georgia Moses.

Speaker 2 And when I went, I told people I would do that story. And when I went to research it, every single part of it is so depressing.
She was so abandoned and not taken care of, and this, the,

Speaker 2 you know, not supported in any way. And no one helped her.
No adults in her life seemed to help her.

Speaker 2 She was such a, it's just a saddest story that, like, I,

Speaker 2 you know, it's that kind of thing where then i just i kind of avoid it because it's like how do i present this in a way that doesn't want to make you just cry at the end yeah i think the word favorite is so i i just i i love

Speaker 2 i love the stories and the mysteries and the horrific circumstances behind it in a way that means I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's what you, I mean, it's just so hard to be like, Jean Bonnet is my favorite. Jean Bonnet is really interesting to me because I think that it's so diabolical and insane.

Speaker 2 And then I just, I don't know. There's no.
There's too many categories

Speaker 2 to really pick one and to also, I've answered that question differently every time we've been asked it. Me too.
And then we get asked, like, what was your first one that you were interested in?

Speaker 2 And for me, it changes all the time where I'll remember a new one and be like, oh, yeah, I love that. In fact, I just remember this morning that

Speaker 2 when I was like 13, Jane's Addiction was my favorite band in the world.

Speaker 2 And I just remembered they had a song called Ted Just Admitted that was about Ted Bundy, which made me look, who the fuck fuck is Ted Bundy? And made me look into it.

Speaker 2 And that was, it's just like, you just, what was your first? What was, I don't know, what's your favorite?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's hard to remember those. Like,

Speaker 2 everybody has a million defining moments or a million, like, it. I mean, like, mine isn't even really a murder.

Speaker 2 I just remember how excited I got when I went to check out the Amityville horror book at my grammar school library. And Sister Rita Rose, who was the oldest nun in the game.

Speaker 2 Still wearing a habit. And she had like gnarled old fingers.

Speaker 2 She looked like a character from a Stephen king novel oh my god and she i went to check that book out and she was so angry at me but i was like it's in the school library like it's not my fault yeah um and i also checked it out multiple times but that was like a uh oh god i wonder if someone went to that school right now and found that book and karen killed garrett's little name

Speaker 2 of it someone please go do that but i mean you know being that it's my birthday we'll just say it was fucking over 30 years ago isn't that insane it was so long ago that it's still there they don't rip those card catalog Dewey Decimal shit out of the books.

Speaker 2 I wonder. It's facing it.
I can get my friend Katie to go look because she works there. Katie, do it.
Go do it.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. What was the question? I think we're just done.

Speaker 2 That was great.

Speaker 2 You edit that.

Speaker 2 I'm not kidding. It was great.

Speaker 3 Mary, oh, sorry. Mary Ecky.

Speaker 3 Mary with

Speaker 3 EKE asks, what's the burst, the best, worst reaction that you've gotten from somebody who doesn't share your love of true crime?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, there are those social media messages we get where it's like, woman of Satan, I'll kill you, or things like that, that we just immediately delete and report and don't pay attention to.

Speaker 2 You know what I did, which I know is a mistake, but it ended up making me feel really good, is I read the comments on a thing. We were in, we were on the Washington Post,

Speaker 2 we had an interview, and

Speaker 2 which was so incredible this past weekend, and it was amazing, and it's like legit. And my mom went, Wahoo! exclamation mark, and then I told her about it.

Speaker 2 And I started reading the comments, and there were all these people like, How dare they? This and that.

Speaker 2 And every single one was commented on by a fucking murderino, very eloquently telling them why they were incorrect and why it was actually good, and not in a dick way. And it was just like,

Speaker 2 we don't need to respond to those things because everyone's

Speaker 2 everyone's

Speaker 2 there, are bullies for us.

Speaker 2 Right, and also the people that that stance of like the how dare you stance, do you write to Keith Morrison and say, How dare you for reporting the crime, the murders that you do in a salacious way on 2020 or whatever.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, it's, are you bringing this to other people's doors? I bet they're not. I bet they are.
Keith, call us. Let us know.
Can you come hang out with us?

Speaker 2 You're the only one that could answer that question.

Speaker 3 Scotty asks, how much money would you have to be paid to hitchhike across the country?

Speaker 2 Is that Scotty Landis? I bet it's, I think it was.

Speaker 2 No, Scotty's like, because I want to take you on a hitchhiking and I want to, he's a producer. He's like, that's my new show hitchhiking.

Speaker 2 The new hitchhiking show where it shows real time how killed we get. And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually going to kill.
He just keeps smiling. He's like, great.

Speaker 2 This is going to be a hit TV show.

Speaker 2 I would, I don't need money.

Speaker 2 Are we together? I don't need money.

Speaker 3 I think you can set the terms of it.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, you have to to be alone, and it has to be tonight and tonight. No, to leave tonight.

Speaker 2 We leave tonight and we have to do it alone. No, no.
So then, but the monetary answer then would be I would at minimum six million dollars. I was going to say a million.
God, I'm cheap.

Speaker 2 I'm a cheap kill. Yeah, you got to get that money up there.
What if, Karen, you had to say you had to accept every ride that stopped? Like, you couldn't be like, no, pass. You had to.

Speaker 2 Well, then, money wouldn't matter because I would definitely be deaf.

Speaker 2 I mean, right? Like, oh, my God. What? But also, I don't think people pick hitchhikers anymore.
No, I think, well, but if you're a girl, I think it's different. That's true.

Speaker 2 But if you're murderable, that's different. I mean, I think me and my big tits are pretty murderable.

Speaker 2 And I would definitely be wearing a V-neck t-shirt. Six million.
Kidding? Six million for Karen, a million for me because I have ACUPs.

Speaker 2 I'm cheaper. Also, I just hate the idea of having to get into other people's cars.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, when you get like, like at festivals, you get picked up by some kid, it's his car, and he's got weird shit hanging from the rearview mirror and stuff like that it's it's not like that's a dream even when they don't want to kill you much less than when you're also feeling like you're in danger i had an uber the other day that it smelled like he had put his infected feet on every surface of the uber on purpose did i already tell you this no on purpose that he had

Speaker 2 like singing a fucking nursery rhyme touched every oh anyways um so whoa but but worse than that for me was why I kind of stopped taking Ubers after a while is because the cologne or whatever was happening where they were using either air freshener or it was cologne.

Speaker 2 But I would roll the windows on it and be like the middle of the night and they'd be like, Well, are you are you hot? What's do you need me to turn on the air conditioner?

Speaker 2 Just be like, I can't breathe. Stop it.
You and your axe body spray are bumming me out. I don't, it's too much.
It's a lot. Okay.
Did we answer? Thanks, Scotty Landis, for playing ball.

Speaker 3 Since starting my favorite murder, has anyone who's, oh, this is from Deborah. I keep forgetting to put the names.

Speaker 2 Whatever.

Speaker 2 I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 Since starting my favorite murder, has anyone who has been in your life for a long time told you a story that you never would have known if it wasn't for the podcast?

Speaker 2 Everyone. For sure.
Yeah. Everyone.

Speaker 2 Or they mentioned it and now they tell you more details. Or they remember another one and they're like, oh, yeah.
Yes. Definitely.
That's definitely happened. And

Speaker 2 it's not weird when you ask them for more details. Right.

Speaker 2 Well, the best example is

Speaker 2 my cousins

Speaker 2 texting me on, was it Thanksgiving or Christmas to tell me that my cousin Marty, who is now a retired San Francisco policeman, was there and found the fingerprint that broke the Nightstalker case.

Speaker 2 And like they did, they put it together over there because my cousins listen. Why would they ever tell you that? Yes.
And he was like, I was yelling at him because I was like, how could you not?

Speaker 2 And he was like, I don't think anybody ever wants to talk about that. Like, you're going to bring that up with your random cousin that you see once every year.
Hey, you know what? I did.

Speaker 2 I just remember I had to say

Speaker 2 the other day, like two weekends ago, I was with my family having lunch.

Speaker 2 And because of the, you know, we were talking about the podcast, and my uncle, who I see once every three years or something, was like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 2 I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer. And I was like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 And he and I don't, you know, he's, we don't really connect. And then we went and I was like, tell me everything.
And I have it on my phone recorded. Do you remember the name?

Speaker 2 Of my uncle? No. No,

Speaker 2 yes, I have it recorded and I feel like I should save it because

Speaker 2 it sounds amazing. You know, this Sarin Gas

Speaker 2 in Japan? Mm-hmm. Yes.

Speaker 2 He was in that cult? No.

Speaker 2 Well, he rented it to that guy? He rented it to the head of that cult. No.
Yep. The guy that.

Speaker 2 Yes. Okay.
Should I just tell you or should I? He's such a funny guy. I think I should save it and let him tell tell you.
Okay, good. Yeah.
We'll do that. Okay.

Speaker 2 So, yes, the answer is yes.

Speaker 3 Amanda asks:

Speaker 3 Would you ever have a

Speaker 3 pen pal with somebody in prison?

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 2 Oh, what was that? Not what we're interested in.

Speaker 2 No, thanks. No.

Speaker 3 Amber asks, what are some movies that you watched as a kid that frightened you, but you're still nostalgic about?

Speaker 2 Poltergeist. Ugh.
Poltergeist. The best.
Arachnophobia.

Speaker 2 Oh, if poor Michael, I, for a while, was a babysitter like when I was super broke. And it was right after I started having seizures, so I couldn't drive.

Speaker 2 And I kind of couldn't do anything. And my friend Pat Buckles, God bless her soul, she was like, come and babysit the kids and I'll pay you whatever.
She took my car.

Speaker 2 So it was like she was paying me to be the babysitter and then she got to use my car. Cool.
It was perfect.

Speaker 2 But anyway, Michael at the time, who's now like in his early 20s, but he was like five at the time. And we were hanging out one night and arachnophobia arachnophobia came on.

Speaker 2 I was like, Do you want to watch this? He's like, Yeah, he still had like a little boy accent, like just a scare, like that.

Speaker 2 I, it scared the shit out of him. And Pat called me later and was like, Really? Arachnophobia? And I was like, Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 Like, I had to relearn how to be a normal person with children because I was like, Oh, yeah, you're right. That's

Speaker 2 spiders coming out of the shower head. I didn't take a shower as a kid

Speaker 2 for years now for what I still don't take shadow.

Speaker 2 All baby powder. What were your movies?

Speaker 2 As a kid,

Speaker 2 I mean, The Exorcist, we saw, yeah, I mean, mine are older, but we would always see those movies that got rerun on

Speaker 2 standard TV. So, like, the Trilogy of Terror.
It's not a movie, but it was a TV show called The Trilogy of Terror.

Speaker 2 And anybody that was little in the 70s can tell you that it was the scariest fucking thing in the world. And we watched it.
It was me and my sister. We were probably like seven seven and nine.

Speaker 2 Then my cousin Stevie was like 13. And then

Speaker 2 our older cousins were like in their 15, 16, whatever. We all watched it together with all the parents were out to dinner.
And it's the one where it has a little, the last one is this little doll.

Speaker 2 And I believe it's Karen Black is the person who owns the doll. And it's like someone gave it to her from a, you know, they brought it back from some different country.

Speaker 2 And she gets up to take a shower.

Speaker 2 And the doll that's like this tall is sitting there and it's has a thing around its neck a necklace that says never take this off and then the necklace drops off and the doll comes to life and it has a little knife and it just tries to kill her

Speaker 2 and it's it freaked us all out so bad that like that night we spent the night at my aunt jeans and my cousin stevie got up in the middle of the night screaming oh my like it was a whole event in that in in our family.

Speaker 2 I mean, well, we don't even need movies. We need all the news was like horrifying.
And they were like, kids gather around and look at all these horrific things. We're about to eat dinner.

Speaker 2 Check this shit out. Yeah, check this shit out.
I was just watching Unselled Mysteries the other night and it's like,

Speaker 2 the song, the theme song makes me want to cry. Yes.
And then

Speaker 2 what was the one that was like Twilight Zone, but it was newer? It was called Unex. What was it, Stephen?

Speaker 2 Stephen.

Speaker 2 Amazing Stories? Yes. Yes.
They had some really fucking scared. And like, all the ghost shit scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
I think on Amazon, were Amazing Stories based on true stories?

Speaker 2 Or was it just

Speaker 2 because I feel like that was the one? It was either the reboot of Twilight Zone or it was Amazing Stories where there was a woman, a man picks his wife up after she has been attacked.

Speaker 2 He picks her up from the hospital. Remember that? And as they're driving home, she goes,

Speaker 2 that's the man. And she freaks out.
He gets out, kills him, gets back in, and then she does it. She just keeps doing it the whole ride home.
And suddenly he realizes he's killed the wrong man.

Speaker 2 Is that a, I think that's a Twilight Zone. But it was a new one.
Oh, oh, like it was modern.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it wasn't the old. It was crazy.
You know, who will know is Joe DeRosa, who is a Twilight Zone expert. Do you know?

Speaker 2 So Joe DeRosa, he and Pat Walsh have a, have a podcast that we've talked about called.

Speaker 2 We'll see you in hell. We'll see you in hell.
And I've met Joe DeRosa's mom, and she's, she's got this accent, like Jersey-ish accent.

Speaker 2 She's like, well, when I was, I would make Joe at six years old watch these horror movies. She's obsessed with horror movies.

Speaker 2 She was just talking about how she'd make Joe at, I didn't want to watch them alone. So you'd make your five and six-year-old kid watch them with you.

Speaker 2 And it's like, oh, I get your, I get Joe so much better now. Yeah.
Because he had to watch, had to watch these movies with his mommy.

Speaker 2 Joe. Oh.
Okay, sorry. Go on.

Speaker 2 Not sorry. Why am I sorry?

Speaker 2 No, never sorry.

Speaker 3 Julia asks,

Speaker 3 what would your dream job in the true crime field be?

Speaker 3 Like if you could be in the true crime like...

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 2 Going through of

Speaker 2 crime scene

Speaker 2 analyst? Is that a thing? Can I go through people shit? Yes. That's all I want.
Crime scene analyst

Speaker 2 sounds almost definitely like a real thing. I want to go to the estate sale of someone who got killed with the intent of finding out why they got killed.
She's going to be a detective. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I want to be a detective. You want to be a detective? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like a straight-up, I don't, like, you know. Yes.
I don't need a fancy fucking

Speaker 2 office, title,

Speaker 2 money.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think. I feel like I would want to do something in the lab where they test things where people are waiting to see what the thing is.
Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like I like the idea of being at ground zero when you find out this is definitely his blood, it's not his blood. One of those things.
That's cool. I don't.

Speaker 2 That seems clean, and I want to get disgusting. Right.

Speaker 2 I want to get disgusting, except for I want it to be like fictionally disgusting, where it's interesting disgusting as opposed to regular bummer disgusting.

Speaker 2 I imagine the first time I see the real dis really what it is, I would change my mind. But I did find out that an ex-boyfriend was

Speaker 2 worked at a

Speaker 2 morgue and would pick up the bodies.

Speaker 2 And I was fucking pissed that he got to do that after breaking my heart, that he got to then be something fucking cool and I did it. Yeah.
Did he appreciate it? Did he know that it was?

Speaker 2 I think he did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Myra also worked for a funeral, huh? He did.

Speaker 2 I listened to his,

Speaker 2 I think he was on Crabfeast, and he told the story.

Speaker 2 I mean, amazing stories. But I feel like I don't even know enough about any of it to know what my favorite thing would be.

Speaker 2 But I think the person who gets to call the lead detective to say, we got him, Sonny, or whatever. I want to be a podcast, a true kind podcaster.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't think you're going to, I don't think that's going to work out. That's not a job.

Speaker 2 So I've been told

Speaker 2 is it getting harder to find stories for the podcast no not in the least oh my god there's we have too many i have too many no that i'm excited about yeah the hard thing is actually for me finding them for live shows suddenly the work the work of putting it together in a cohesive accurate condensed way there it's just like that that's going to please people

Speaker 2 and having that consciousness of it and all the i think it's just the self-consciousness for live shows of all of it oh is that's what's hard for me yeah it's very hard it's hard but for me it's hard but rewarding and i enjoy it for our for the podcast but live shows is hard because you have you want to do it somewhere near the town you're doing it at least i i want i and then i realized that there's certain topics that you should i shouldn't be covering in the live shows so you don't want to do a bunch of child murders because then you get silence and that makes me self-conscious and weird so that part is hard for me so when I do find one, I get really excited.

Speaker 2 But I don't have mine for this weekend, and it's Tuesday.

Speaker 2 Oh my god, we have so much time because it's so hard,

Speaker 2 yeah. But now our tour manager is my husband, and he's like,

Speaker 2 Are you done? Do you need to do it, Georgia? No, we're not going out. Well, then he's fired to do it.

Speaker 2 We simply don't have to deal with that. He's fired from being my husband, but he can still be the tour manager.
That's right.

Speaker 3 Oh, and that was from Sarah.

Speaker 2 Thanks, Sarah. Hi, Sarah.

Speaker 3 And then Allie asks, she's been dying to know, after Minniso 25, did you two go to Barnes and Noble and get mechanical pencils and a day planner?

Speaker 2 We did. We sure did.
Sure shit.

Speaker 2 I couldn't wait. And so I went and got a day planner by myself.
Right. Then we met up at Barnes Noble to look to.
to and then George was like, well, let's go look at day planners.

Speaker 2 And then I was like, oh, I got one already. But

Speaker 2 then we had sushi. Then we ate a bunch of sushi

Speaker 2 and we just had a good old time at the Americana. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's it. Glendale's Grove.

Speaker 2 What's up, Made Well?

Speaker 2 They love us. What's up, Madewell?

Speaker 2 Also, sorry, Made Well, but then the J. Crew that's across from the Madewell at the Grove is starting to feel very competitive because I went into the Made Well at the Grove.
Sorry, this is.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is asshole corner, but I went into the Made Well at the Grove and the girl

Speaker 2 gave me a discount and we had a nice chat. And then I got a tweet later that day that was like, we like you better at the J.
Crew across the street. Come in.
Yeah, it was really hilarious.

Speaker 2 Can I do Asshole Corner real quick? And last night when I was at the fucking mecca of Hipsterville of the Trader Joe's in Silverlake and one of the Trader Joe's workers

Speaker 2 who was like, I feel like they're on another plane of like coolness somehow. Maybe it's because I filled out an application for Trader Joe's and they never hired me because I can't math.
So it's like,

Speaker 2 you think you're better than me. But she was stocking salads and she turns to me and just goes,

Speaker 2 you know, that's the thing. And I was just, I almost started crying.
And I think I, I think I overdid it because she was just like, great, and like walked away because I almost started crying.

Speaker 2 And she's like, this isn't what I wanted from telling her this. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 We have nice fans. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Nowhere to go. Oh, Eve asks, a stat I've heard/slash/seen slash read over the years is that there are approximately 87 active serial killers in the U.S.
right now.

Speaker 3 Do you think this is accurate, too high, too low?

Speaker 2 I just read an article that said there were 40. I know.
I've seen lower, like 30 to 40. But I mean, that's too many.
Also, they don't know. It's all conjecture.
So it's like, we think it's this.

Speaker 2 But then when the Killing Field series was on, it made it seem like there were 500 active serial killers. I mean, it was like, there's tons.

Speaker 2 A number I'm more interested in is how many clandestine graves are there. Like right now, Karen, you're sitting in front of a tapestry of a beautiful forest.
And it's like,

Speaker 2 and when we were driving, we were on a road trip to a location to do a live show, and I was staring at the window and looking at the fields, and all I could think of was how many dead bodies are buried out there?

Speaker 2 Yep. Because there's got to be so many.
So serial killers, I don't know. Yeah.
But dead bodies? That's what you want to know. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's an interesting, there's a really good,

Speaker 2 I believe it's in the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman, but if I'm wrong, man, are people going to be mad at me.

Speaker 2 But there was one of the comic books, and the whole thing was about how all the serial killers were meeting up at a motel for the did you read that one yes for them for the serial killer convention that they were having that wasn't american gods was it no oh that was all the gods yes it's called american fucking yes yes similar feel but i'm pretty sure it was oh that's sandman interesting and it was so i think about that all the time we're like do they know each other they hate each other yeah i mean yeah because they want to be the yeah i bet they're like they're not doing it right yeah

Speaker 2 wonder wonder

Speaker 3 Jordan asks, so my husband got me this Bluetooth whistle thing that should I blow it, a text with help in my GPS location is sent to three of my contacts.

Speaker 3 It keeps updating with my GPS until I check in and verify I'm fine. My question is, what do you think about this kind of technology?

Speaker 3 Would you guys carry one, and do you think it'll be common in the future?

Speaker 2 What if it just picked whatever, it was like a roulette of whatever contacts and it was like your ex-boyfriend and some guy you met at a fucking

Speaker 2 someone that you used to work with that you do not talk to anymore. I'm sorry, what? Help?

Speaker 2 The first thing I thought of, like, I love the idea of that, but if in my hands, like this weekend, I was at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival, super fun, great. I must have lost my glasses five times.

Speaker 2 And a couple of the times they were in my pocket. And I was just like, the second I thought they were gone, I was freaking out.
And like, I left them at the last place.

Speaker 2 I would start walking back to place

Speaker 2 the whole nine yards.

Speaker 2 But so

Speaker 2 that being said, what I mean is, I have that thing of like, I'm going to be sending help to people, never meaning it after a while, just like the fable.

Speaker 2 Everyone's like, it's just her thing where she touches it all the time, but actually, I'm at the bottom of a well.

Speaker 2 You know, it's going to backfire. Well, eventually, we'll know.
Eventually, after three days of have you heard from Karen?

Speaker 2 No, but the way I am of like flaking on people in late, it's going to be like three months later. You're like, should we check on Karen?

Speaker 2 She might be mad at me or whatever. Just like, never come over.
I almost got you for your birthday this like, it was this like journal notebook and it just said on the front,

Speaker 2 excuses for why I can't go out.

Speaker 2 But I didn't. So true.
I mean, dude, I need that too. I mean, I was like, do I have a stomach ailment? Like, this weekend was great because I was trying to do a fake, not a real fast.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I can just tell everyone that I can't go out and they'll get it because we're in LA. Yes, that's right.
That's a classic. And then I had a pretzel.
That pretzel looks so good.

Speaker 2 Georgia texted me the pretzel, the picture of the pretzel that was breaking her fast, and I wanted to reach through the phone and grab it away from her. The York and Highland Park.

Speaker 2 And as I was walking back to my car,

Speaker 2 Vince and I were walking across the crosswalk, and this couple, and one of them is like a model, like one of the most beautiful women. And she said, Hi, Georgia.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I absolutely don't know anyone who looks like that.

Speaker 2 And I said, hi, like, not hi. I said, hi.

Speaker 2 But I, then she tweeted at me and was like, I said hi to you. I'm a fan of the podcast.
And I was like, I know, because I would have known that I know a model. Oh, it's my model friend, Gloria.

Speaker 2 My model friend.

Speaker 2 Yes. Tangent.

Speaker 3 I also,

Speaker 3 I also, the first thing I said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing.

Speaker 3 I just was like,

Speaker 2 oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 It was so big.

Speaker 2 It had it. It looked like a cartoon pretzel.
Yes, that's right. York and Highland Park, shout out.
Yeah. Well done on your pretzel game.

Speaker 3 Alyssa asks, Do you think you guys could get away with murder?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 no, I don't think, no, I would leave my glasses there.

Speaker 2 Leopold and Loeb, shout out for real.

Speaker 2 I would confess,

Speaker 2 I think I just couldn't carry that around with me. No, no, no.
That's even considering it makes me feel guilty. Like it's everything about it is so terrible.

Speaker 2 I just, I can't, you know, I wouldn't get away with it because I don't think, because in my mind, I would think I couldn't get away with it. So I would just go insane.
I just couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 There's no perfect crime, you can't do it. And DNA, there's no, I mean, there's no thing that doesn't tie you back.
Even poison, it's like, well, they can trace why, where people bought this poison.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 There's no way. There's no way.
Also, don't kill people. Stop it.
Don't get life insurance policies. Stop it.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Charlotte asks: if you had a chance to go back and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer or unsolved case, which one would it be and why?

Speaker 2 Ooh, ooh, ooh.

Speaker 2 Oh, like, can we listen? I know you didn't write this, Steven, but I want some clarity. Like, from the beginning, let's say?

Speaker 2 Ooh.

Speaker 2 Don't look at that paper. Tell Stephen, you're answering us.
From the beginning?

Speaker 3 I'm going to say, yeah, you hit the ground running. You're like first call.

Speaker 2 Well, Jean Bonet.

Speaker 2 I'd say Zodiac. Ooh.
I just recently rewatched, and I talked about it, but re-watched that movie at Cinna Family.

Speaker 2 It's such a good movie. It's so cool.
He's making a new serial killer movie right now.

Speaker 2 What is it? Is it the one about the British guy?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Someone told me about it, and I got so excited. I think I wrote it in my calendar.

Speaker 2 I think my friend Carlos, who is like, we've been friends for a long time, but as soon as I started this, he found out about this podcast, he just sends me shit all the time about murder, which is great.

Speaker 2 And he sent me the trailer. I haven't seen it, but

Speaker 2 we watched it together, didn't we? Probably, I bet we did. Okay, uh, so you're probably the person I'm talking about when I say someone told me about it.
Oh, we're great.

Speaker 2 I mean, our worlds are just combining.

Speaker 2 I think we saw each other every day last week. We really did.

Speaker 2 Like, not even just as like, and I was probably wearing a new vintage dress in every single one. And I was wearing my same meeting shirt every single day.

Speaker 2 Um, okay, that's a great one. Yeah, that's that's a hard one because I feel like John Bennett is easy, it's obvious,

Speaker 2 But Zodiac is clues and shit. Oh, sorry.
I meant Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo.

Speaker 2 I just would like to be around him doing some very honorable and noble police work there and I'm in the 70s of San Francisco.

Speaker 2 Let's see.

Speaker 3 I think we're winding down.

Speaker 2 More. I love talking about myself.

Speaker 3 If you were an inmate on death row, Julia asks,

Speaker 3 this is the same Julia's.

Speaker 2 Fried chicken. She can ask that.
Fried chicken. You want your final meal.
Fried chicken.

Speaker 2 I knew that was. I fucking

Speaker 2 love the photos. I do too.
Oh, man. There was a girl, the girl who got so drunk at one of our shows that she vomited and crawled out.
And crawled out.

Speaker 2 Fucking. Who was lovely? Just fists in the air to you, girl.
Turned out to be a lovely girl.

Speaker 2 Had done a

Speaker 2 dinner party. of last meals

Speaker 2 and I think she like bought 14 buckets of KFC. You know, like did the whole thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Serving that stuff up. I mean, what would you do? Because I could go eat KFC right now if I wanted to.
I'd fucking hate myself. But sorry, are you saying you would do just full only

Speaker 2 chicken? Oh, gosh, no. Or a full KFC like buffet.
Yeah. Okay.
Which,

Speaker 2 remember when we were driving to Philadelphia and they had a KFC buffet restaurant? Yes.

Speaker 2 That's right. That was my dream.
Anyways, what would yours be?

Speaker 2 Let's see. I mean,

Speaker 2 I guess I would have to do my, what I call my quote-unquote special occasion foods that I eat constantly, pretending that it's my birthday all the time, which is like mac and cheese. From where?

Speaker 2 Like, it has to be a place.

Speaker 2 Or just like a kind.

Speaker 2 I guess like

Speaker 2 shit. I'm trying to think of like, where's a place? Like a soul food restaurant, mac and cheese.

Speaker 2 Probably, I guess, like a soul, because fried chicken,

Speaker 2 soul food would, like those baked beans, that kind of stuff. But also,

Speaker 2 I was going to say

Speaker 2 mac and cheese, one of those soft pretzels with the cheese dip. Yeah, something like that.
Now my mouth's just watering and stuff. I know I'm hungry.
I'm glad this is ending.

Speaker 2 What was I? Oh,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, chicken and waffles. Well, oh, I was going to say, we have a little road trip this weekend on our tour, and there is a White Castle.
Yes. As far as Vince is concerned or says, yeah.

Speaker 2 And I've never been to an actual White Castle restaurant. I've met them frozen so many drunk times.
Yeah. And I'm really excited to go to a real

Speaker 2 hot out of the bag. We neither of us, as California girls, have ever had that experience

Speaker 2 of White Castle out of the bag. Hoping there's a Waffle House, but I'm not sure if there is.
But either way, we're going to get our White Castle. We're getting our White Castle.
It's exciting.

Speaker 3 Lauren asks,

Speaker 3 just curious to know what your thoughts are on Making a Murderer.

Speaker 2 I loved it. I watched it, I think that was near the beginning of us, of this podcast, because I watched it.

Speaker 2 I started it at 7 o'clock at night and stayed up all night and watched it through the night and into the next morning.

Speaker 2 And then I remember telling you about it after I did that because I just couldn't stop watching it.

Speaker 2 It was an incredible,

Speaker 2 incredible show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 With people who seemed like they were from central casting of either inept or totally corrupt politician types. It was amazing.
And then I went to, and you were supposed to come to the

Speaker 2 Strand and

Speaker 2 Sturm and Drang. What was that?

Speaker 2 Strand and Dean. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like they had a QA or like a talkie time. Yes.
It was great. They were fucking badass motherfuckers.
Yeah. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 This question comes from City Life Office.

Speaker 2 Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 They're serving us with their papers through Stephen. You're under arrest.

Speaker 3 It's all been a ruse.

Speaker 3 City Life Office asks, what does a day in the life of Karen and Georgia look like?

Speaker 2 Oh, God. Tell me your day.
You want to tell me your day today?

Speaker 2 We get up out of our bunk beds.

Speaker 2 Georgia slips into a vintage dress. I've got my meeting.
I'm in house stress. Karen loses her fucking mind because I'm in a house stress.
I panic,

Speaker 2 even though it's eight in the morning.

Speaker 2 I woke up

Speaker 2 late and went to therapy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right. I screamed at a chair for the first time.
Interesting. In a role-playing situation? Yeah.
How'd it feel? Hard. It was really hard.
Crying.

Speaker 2 Like, because it felt stupid or it was hard emotionally. It felt stupid, but it was really hard emotionally.
And I fucking bawled, which I don't do in therapy. Yeah, you got to get that stuff out.

Speaker 2 It felt good. Now that I have a ton of anger, I'm just keeping inside of me.
Hello, and welcome to my world.

Speaker 2 Have you ever done that? I've never done that before. I don't keep it inside me.
No, because I don't have a problem expressing anger or crying at all.

Speaker 2 I'm right there on the edge at all times of any emotion that you could name, willing to serve it up with just a little bit of glaze on the top. We'll get ready for screamy Georgia.

Speaker 2 Is that the new, your new faith? Yeah. I'll back you up, girl.
You guys scream it out.

Speaker 2 My therapist was so happy. Like, I could see she was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair.
Yep. And she was like, honestly cheering.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, I'm doing this right finally after two and a half years of therapy. What did you do? She broke you open she broke me open

Speaker 2 very cream egg I was

Speaker 2 then you got your stuff all over those all over that chair

Speaker 2 I was raised in a household of yellers and confronters always so to me it's not only I mean I get upset when I know what I when I know I'm gonna upset other people or when other people are upset

Speaker 2 which then makes me need to get mad so that you don't get to have your feelings, but I still get to do my feelings. Like preemptively

Speaker 2 shielding yourself from what's about, not even shielding yourself, just like

Speaker 2 preparing for it. Oh.
Recoil, maybe, whatever. It just all becomes a thing.

Speaker 2 But like my dad, I'm just saying that because in our family, my dad would answer the phone yelling so that when people would be like, is Karen there? And I'd be like, hold on a second.

Speaker 2 And then I would pick up the phone and almost like eight out of ten times, my friends would go, are you in trouble? And I'd be like, no, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 Because the volume and the like emotion level in our house was always at eight. So you must have a lot of tension.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes. I have more than my fair share of tension.

Speaker 2 And also, that kind of like being criticized when you're criticized all the time or like teased all the time, then you have a sensitivity that doesn't make sense, that'll come out and it doesn't make sense to people when it's because it's kind of like a lifelong raw nerve.

Speaker 2 That if it's like a very random one, and then if you touch it,

Speaker 2 zapped good night, you fucking mosquito thing,

Speaker 2 and there's malaria. And what the fuck? You get the malaria, and the mosquito catches on fire.
It's exciting.

Speaker 2 Mine is a

Speaker 2 timidness. So I say, you don't get to fucking see my anger.
I'm going to put it inside me and get gastrointestinal issues because of my anger. Who's inside of me? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that's very common with women. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because it's not, certainly not feminine, considered typically feminine or in any way attractive to be.

Speaker 2 Well, when I got home from therapy, I had to say to Vince, Is it okay that I'm mad at you, like over this thing? Yeah. Like, I couldn't even be mad at him.
I had to make sure he was okay.

Speaker 2 Well, it's very scary. Yeah.
There's a great book called The Dance of Anger. Not to be totally weird.

Speaker 2 No, we need a fun. This is a thing.
Well, this is a book I read, and it's because it's this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry or use anger, what they're actually doing.

Speaker 2 And because it's very intimidating and it's very shocking a lot of times. And if you if you do it correctly, you can really control people with your emotions to a point.

Speaker 2 Well, my mom did that for sure. Yeah.
So you kind of, it's just like that would happen in my house. It's like if you had a complaint, people would just yell you down with their bigger complaint.

Speaker 2 Or if you if you were angry, they were angrier about something else.

Speaker 2 So it was just like you could never really have the floor because that was a very threatening thing to have a problem with, like the system.

Speaker 2 It was like unjustified, or your anger was compounded because they wouldn't listen to it.

Speaker 2 It wasn't justified. Your anger wasn't justified in someone else's eyes.
Never. And also, it was always, I was the dramatic one.
So it was like, no matter what I was doing, I was being over-dramatic.

Speaker 2 So yeah, that's insanely frustrating. What's this book called? Oh, it's called The Dance of Anger.
And it's basically like when angry people shut you down,

Speaker 2 like it's a, it's the perfect way to get people to stop doing whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them.

Speaker 2 But if you can get through that and not be intimidated, you can get that angry person to actually break open because you paint yourself into a corner when you're like the angry shouter reactor. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you don't ever get to learn and grow and all this. And actually like communicate

Speaker 2 what the real problem is. Well, you show me that too, where it's like, when I've gotten angry with you, it's like,

Speaker 2 what's really going on? And I want to be like, nothing. You fucked up.
And then it's like, oh, well,

Speaker 2 I feel sad and intimidated over this thing and I'm panicking. And it's like, oh, my God, it's really scary to be vulnerable.
It's horrible. That worked.

Speaker 2 And it's easier to be angry because that's the first thing. It's just like the thing that shoots up first.

Speaker 2 You go with that, maybe double down on it, and then you're free and clear because everyone backs away. Yeah.
But then for me, how do you get it?

Speaker 2 And it's even harder than at that point to come back and be like, well. No, yeah, you can't.

Speaker 2 There's no, I mean, talk about like rigidity and like, you really have to then, it's like, it's like 90s stand-up comedy where all we did was go like, that person sucks. That person sucks.

Speaker 2 And then suddenly you're like, well, then everyone's my enemy. Like, it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't. And everyone's just trying.
Why do they suck? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And also really, because what you're saying is, I suck. Yeah.
Crying today was really helpful. And I'm really excited to go in my closet and put a chair in the corner and scream at it.
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 That's good. That's going to be great.
That's, you've got your, like, your elbows deep in the good stuff. This is the first time she's been like, here we go.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, why have I been paying you for the past two years when you're instead of telling me to scream and fucking cry? Because it takes, that's the thing about therapy.

Speaker 2 Like, I remember on like year seven with my therapist going, ooh, I feel like we just chipped something off. And she's like, that's right.

Speaker 2 Like, we're just chipping away a calcified wall of bad ideas that we're pretty soon we're going to get to a door and then I'm going to be too scared to open that door.

Speaker 2 What was so funny to me is last week you you and I were having dinner at a place and then I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to go to one every other week with my therapist.

Speaker 2 I think I'm good right now. And then later I was like, yeah, my therapist said to me that next week we're going to get into the deep mom stuff.

Speaker 2 And you were like, so you're going to go see her every other week, huh? And it was like, so obvious, I was like, I can't deal with that. I'm going to go not see her anymore.

Speaker 2 And that made me be like, maybe don't not go see her every other week. Maybe you really fucking need to get into the shit then.
Sorry I caught you. I fucking fucking cocked blocked me so hard.

Speaker 2 I'm not seeing my therapist. Thank you.
Thank you. You're welcome.
It's really great today. You're welcome.
I'm glad. That makes me very happy to hear.
Yeah. That's good.

Speaker 2 So those are, that's basically how our days go. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 If that's not what we're doing, it's what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 Therapy is life, man. Really, and also

Speaker 2 what I told Georgia at one point, I can't remember we got into a fight about some dumb thing. And then after waiting, we had a great talk about it.

Speaker 2 That's the thing I love the most is that we always have the best talks. We get further along.
It makes me so happy. For sure.
And it makes me happy to be friends with you. Thank you.
Me too.

Speaker 2 We're growing and learning. We really are.
And I like this point. I told Georgia, I go, at this point, I feel like I'm being paid to maintain a good relationship with you.

Speaker 2 Like, that's all we have to do. That's what this podcast is, is making sure that.
What if nobody listens and it was just our therapists feeding into like

Speaker 2 they were all the Twitter people and they were all the like people buying tickets to the shows and just giving them away for free being like God they're learning so much finally what great therapists that are really dedicated to us totally that'd be amazing what would hope you were gonna say that we you're being paid to this oh no just that joke of like that that's and also i my therapist actually said that to me she's like if you can make this relationship with georgia work you can make any relationship work which is of course after you get a divorce you become convinced that you just simply can't do it right and so why try and why

Speaker 2 uh why like why go back to you know a ground zero type situation and be like, oh, I guess I'll do this again and fuck it up again

Speaker 2 and be bad at it. In eight months or in five years, it'll fucking implode.
Yeah. Nope.
It could actually work with the right temperament.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's like a resilience, a quality of resilience and a quality of being willing to say, I made a mistake. Can we fix it? Yeah.
That's all. Yeah.
You know what?

Speaker 2 We're all human. That's right.

Speaker 2 That was really beautiful. Thank you, Stephen.

Speaker 2 Steven kept putting the microphone when he thought it was over, and then we just kept going. Can I interrupt you guys? Yes.

Speaker 2 Please stop. Keep this going.
Stephen was like, I wasn't. Can you guys stop? I'm not recording.
We've got so many more questions.

Speaker 2 Should we end on that and play Jesse's murder, or is there a really good one that you want to end with, Stephen?

Speaker 3 There's one good one to end with. Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 And then one note because people were asking what my favorite murder was, and it's Selena from episode 32.

Speaker 2 That's right. That was my favorite murder.
Because you remember it as a child, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it had that same kind of impact when people talk about that thing where you saw on the TV.

Speaker 2 And you grew up in a Mexican-American family.

Speaker 3 Exactly, yeah. And so it was just something you talked about all the time.

Speaker 2 Well, and that's so shocking.

Speaker 2 It's so,

Speaker 2 I think about that one a lot too, where it's just so unnecessary and so tragic that, and so surprising the way it happened. It wasn't a, you know, a male, rabid male fan.

Speaker 2 It was just this insanely mentally ill woman, and it was so unnecessary and sad. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And at that point, the double tragedy or the extended tragedy of that she was just about to potentially cross over and kind of become this Mexican-American star that was like, suddenly it's like, these are, here's another kind of music that you can get into and listen to and hear.

Speaker 2 Like, she was just, she was basically on that train of everybody knowing her. Wonderful person, too.
Sorry, Stephen.

Speaker 3 So this is this question. I had to print out the email for it

Speaker 3 because it's sort of a hometown as well.

Speaker 3 The

Speaker 3 headline is, would you marry a serial killer's son?

Speaker 3 Hello, Karen, Georgia, Stephen, and fur babies.

Speaker 3 Love the podcast. You hold a special place in my heart.
I'm really curious to know what each of you would do in this situation.

Speaker 3 A relative of mine met the love of her life, and after a whirlwind of romance, he sat her down for a serious chat.

Speaker 3 He said that he would love to have a future with her, but before they went any further, she needed to know that his father was in jail for killing and dismembering a large number of sex workers.

Speaker 3 Oh, no. My relative decided to stay with her man, and they are now married with children.
I guess the next thing to do is decide when to tell her

Speaker 3 children about their grandfather before they can discover it online for themselves, if they choose. What would you do?

Speaker 2 Oh, well, I would definitely continue a relationship with that person. They're not responsible for their father's actions and the fact that

Speaker 2 they

Speaker 2 understood the severity of it enough to sit them before it was very,

Speaker 2 you know, before they were in deep, let them know, because understanding that that's a choice someone would make, that's very mature.

Speaker 2 And also, I would never hold that against someone. Yeah, I would never hold that against anybody.
And it's that they're actually a victim as well. Like, it's not,

Speaker 2 if there's anything it would just be like how difficult that would be for a person

Speaker 2 it would almost i feel like i would like to think i would have even more empathy for that person because they had gone through such a serious life

Speaker 2 challenge um

Speaker 2 and their relationship and i mean everything about that would be so hard for that person i would just feel such deep um sadness and empathy for them that it would almost be the opposite of like I wouldn't break up with them.

Speaker 2 Never. And as for the kids, I feel like you slowly introduce like, you know, as they understand what grandmas and grandpas are, and what about dad's dad? Where's dad?

Speaker 2 You know, you say he did a very bad thing and he's in jail. He's in prison forever for it.
Or, you know, and you slowly let them know. You know what I really give more information to them.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I realized this, and it's weird that I've never said this before. And I, in no way, was holding it back.
I just kind of mentally

Speaker 2 rediscovered it recently.

Speaker 2 But my mother's father died when she was 21, so I never knew him.

Speaker 2 But I found out when I was a full-grown adult, I think probably in my late 20s, my dad told me he was stabbed to death in a bar fight.

Speaker 2 Holy shit.

Speaker 2 And that's how he died? That's how he died. But we were always told he died of a heart attack.
Oh. And so it wasn't till much, much later.

Speaker 2 And I didn't, like, I didn't know anything about it, but I only recently realized where I'm like, oh, actually. Isn't that funny when it's your own thing? You You don't.

Speaker 2 It's my own thing, but I also don't, I have no connection to it except to know, like, my mother never spoke about it, and she never

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 for the story she kind of put out there was like, he just died of a heart attack, like, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 And, and she didn't like him because he was a really bad alcoholic, and he had, you know, he was, he had a lot of problems. Wow.

Speaker 2 So it was almost just like, that's the side of the family you don't talk about as much. Tragedy.
I know. Isn't that weird?

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's my story to tell, but I'll just say that Vince's grandfather, he never met, who was a police officer who died in the line of duty.

Speaker 2 And so the grandfather he grew up with was his step-grandfather, and it's just this, like, they didn't talk about it either. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I feel like more people than

Speaker 2 you would know. Yeah.
Like, if you asked people, like, about the tragedies in their family, you'd be shocked how many have humongous ones that they just simply don't discuss.

Speaker 2 Because they've grown up with it as a secret or as a thing, and nobody will discuss it with them. Or

Speaker 2 them wanting to know more about it is

Speaker 2 they're a bad person for wanting to know more about it, or they're opening wounds, or they're

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 it's too sensitive.

Speaker 2 It's interesting. It is interesting.

Speaker 2 That's a good question. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 Good luck with that.

Speaker 2 Everyone. That was it?

Speaker 3 Yep. That's the QA.

Speaker 2 Wow. That was fun.
That was fun. I mean,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 I like, let's just change the podcast.

Speaker 2 Two questions for us.

Speaker 2 You guys, thanks for sending 400 questions

Speaker 2 in such a short time. We'll do it again sometime and get

Speaker 2 other ones. Stephen, thank you for going through all of those.
Are there a lot of weird ones?

Speaker 3 No, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3 These were some great questions that I liked.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Good job.
Those were really good stuff. Yeah, those were really good.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 And we're back. We were just saying what a brilliant idea we had to stop doing homework for one week and just be able to answer some questions.

Speaker 1 It's like the guy Brandon episode where it was like, oh, great. Someone else has to do the heavy lifting.
And in this one, it's Stephen. We like, we said, ask for questions and then go find them.

Speaker 1 We didn't even have to find the questions ourselves. Stephen.
Yep, Stephen fully arranged the entire situation. And then it was just fun because then it was like a little bit of a conversation.

Speaker 1 And I got to talk about myself.

Speaker 1 There is a moment here that has stuck with me about Stephen. That's like, you know, the soft spot I have in my heart for him.

Speaker 1 One of those things includes the fact that the murder of Selena is his top, you know, favorite murder and that it's the one that always stuck with him. And I just like,

Speaker 1 it's so sweet. It's so sweet.
It's

Speaker 1 him. It's so stupid.
Yeah. It really is.
He's a beautiful angel

Speaker 1 and a great texter. And it's so,

Speaker 1 let's move forward to our last text from Stephen. Open your fucking phone right now and let's read our last text exchange from Steven.
Do it. Go.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 Mine's from Wednesday, September 10th. It says, Karen, I went to the opening of the Jaws exhibit at the Academy Museum.
You have to go. It was great getting to see lots of original props.

Speaker 1 And then there's a picture of fucking Steven Spielberg speaking at a podium while it says Jaws exhibition and an orchestra.

Speaker 1 Like, so Steven's in the audience for this incredible, like, JAWS 50th anniversary. And before that, it was hope the tour goes well and you have a great show on our

Speaker 1 first night. Okay, love your Steven text.
I mean, it's so Steven. It's so Steven.
The audio sounds different, by the way. Yeah.
It's because we had a major Wi-Fi meltdown.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're picking back up. It's a different day.
It's a different reality, but still. Pretend it's real.
It sounds better. It sounds so much better.
Steven sent me a photo of his cat, Penny Lane.

Speaker 1 That's my last interaction with him. I said, what a sweet angel.
And then he gave me an update on her new diet, food, and meds. Can I see her picture? Yeah.
Yeah. That cat is so cute.

Speaker 1 She's such a cute little orange. She's a dainty orange tabby.
Yeah. I like a new segment text from Stephen.
I know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Rewind. Why not? Stephen's.
She always gives them. We might as well turn them into content.
Okay. So now we're back into this episode.

Speaker 1 It's the QA episode. This is now a hometown story from your friend and mine, hilarious comedian Jesse Pop.

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Speaker 2 We have a a quick hometown

Speaker 2 that I, this is a murder I've always

Speaker 2 saw this one

Speaker 2 years ago on like a dateline or some stuff that I couldn't do because it was kind of one of those small ones.

Speaker 2 But then I found out when I met Vince that Vince is one of Vince's best friends, Jesse Popp, was directly connected to this murder. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so Jesse Popp, fucking hilarious comedian, he just came out with his new album called I'm the Best, which is so funny. If you know Jesse Pop, that that's, it's it's just so hilarious.

Speaker 2 It's him in a Robocop costume drawing that he actually really wore to a Halloween party at the bar. But he's like got a solo cup and he's drunk.
He's just such a funny person.

Speaker 2 And I watched the live taping of this comedy album, and my fucking God, he's one of the best joke writers I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 He's among the comedy community, he's known as one of the best stand-ups there is. Yeah, so it's an album worth buying.
Yes, for sure. I'm the best.
It's on iTunes and all the places you buy stuff.

Speaker 2 And so here is

Speaker 2 Jesse Popp's hometown waiter. Let me put it on speaker.
Okay.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 4 This is my hometown murder.

Speaker 4 About six, seven years ago, I was living in New York and I ran out of money. So I went back home to Michigan through fans, got a job at the locals apple orchard there.

Speaker 4 And I was just kind of like, you know, riding the tractor and,

Speaker 4 you know, doing shit you can do when you don't know how to farm. And there was this one kid there.

Speaker 4 and I talked to him a few times, and he kind of, I mean, he wasn't, he just struck me as a little squirrely, nothing too crazy. And then I asked a few people, a lot of people, just like shooting shit.

Speaker 4 I was like, so

Speaker 4 what's up with this kid? They're like, oh, he's nice and all this. And it didn't really stick in my mind.

Speaker 4 And then, you know, I saved up some money, went back to New York, and then a year later, this kid got arrested for murdering his mom.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's real crazy. And then it turns out what was going on is

Speaker 4 she, the mom, was schizophrenic and bipolar and also very,

Speaker 4 very religious and wasn't taking her medicine because she thought it was sorcery. And she had gotten so far gone.

Speaker 4 She was like stashing knives in her head for it and got her like tracking devices in her bloodstream and all this.

Speaker 2 And then also

Speaker 4 the dad had started stepping out. And there's also like a little before the murder, she had been arrested for strangling this kid because he was trying to get her to take her medicine.

Speaker 4 And then also, he had a younger sister who the mom was homeschooling still for some reason. So there's a lot going on.

Speaker 4 Even though in the news, they'd be like, you know, the perfect family, which is not what was going on anyway. So it was a very grisly scene, I guess, where

Speaker 4 no one broke in, no signs of force, and no

Speaker 2 thing.

Speaker 4 Someone took a two by four and basically bashed her head open a bunch of times and then took a knife and stabbed her in the throat a bunch of times and there was blood and stuff.

Speaker 4 And this kid said that he had been

Speaker 4 his alibi was that he had been planting bushes for a neighbor lady, which turned out not to be true. And then he punched into work and his hands were all fucked up.

Speaker 4 And he told people it was for moving palace, which moving palace doesn't really get your hands the way that his were.

Speaker 4 So he got arrested. And

Speaker 4 he got convicted because, you know, people were framing him and saying there's no way he did it. It's going to be so nice.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 he got arrested and he's going to do at least, I think, 20 or 30 years or something. And

Speaker 4 I, yeah, that's

Speaker 4 take your medicine and don't kill your mom.

Speaker 2 Nice. Thanks, Jesse.
That's exactly right, Jesse. Take your medicine and don't kill your mom, please.

Speaker 2 The other thing he didn't mention in that apple orchard was his sister, Jesse's sister's apple orchard. Oh, wow.
Yeah. And I've been there, Spicers.

Speaker 2 and I had a fucking apple cider donut in Michigan.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. The best.
This took me there in Michigan, and it was amazing. It was so intense.
I know. Did you ever see the like 2020 or 48 hours about that one?

Speaker 2 The story sounds familiar, but as I was listening to him tell it, I was like, is it familiar? Because he's told it to me before. Because sometimes he'll wear the Spicer's Apple Orchard t-shirt.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what is this? Is he an ironic hipster? And he's like, no, I used to fucking work here. Wow.

Speaker 2 That was a great way to end a really fun question. I know.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Next, next

Speaker 2 mini-soad, Hometown Murder, I'll play my uncle's

Speaker 2 sarin gas situation. Amazing.
I know. I love it.

Speaker 2 Thanks, Jesse. Jesse Popp by his album.
I'm the best. I'm the best.
Vince Averill, my husband, put it out on his record label. What's his record label called? It's called Capsule Records.

Speaker 2 What if I fucking didn't know? I know.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh no.

Speaker 2 That slow motion of like, think of the t-shirt.

Speaker 2 Cut this.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on the story? There actually are.
So the Jeffrey Pine case was covered on a 48 hours in an episode called The Perfect Family.

Speaker 1 They also did a follow-up segment asking if the way his mom was killed proved pre-meditation. CBS News ran a series of articles during his trial and after the verdict.
And it is such a sad case.

Speaker 1 Just terrible. Yeah.
And Jesse lived it. Yeah.
Write it as well. That's like a reality-shifting experience to have, to know about that as in childhood.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about the title. A little bit easier.
Originally, this episode was called Q and TNA.

Speaker 1 But maybe if we're naming it today, based on something we've said in that episode, we would call it nothing more flexible, like a tattoo.

Speaker 1 Or God willing, which is Georgia joking that it'll be my birthday when this episode comes out, God willing. I love an inappropriate God willing.

Speaker 1 And then we could also do excuses for why I can't go out.

Speaker 1 I love it. I mean, to this moment, to this moment.
All right. Well, thanks for listening.
And we're going to say goodbye to you from way back in 2017 in the pod loft.

Speaker 2 Well, that was awesome. Thank you, Stephen, for that, doing that.
Yeah. And and thank you guys for sending in those questions.
It was so much fun. Stay sexy.
And don't get murdered. Bye.
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