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And today we're recapping episode number 34, which we named 30 Let the Bodies. No, we didn't.
Yeah, we did. Did we? Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we did. Look, it's right there on paper.
30 Let the Bodies Hit the Four. That is illegal.
That is, we're going way out of our way. Way, yeah, we got to stop.
We should have been stopped. We should have been stopped.
They tried. So join us as we take you back to a day from history where not one fun or

funny thing happened September 14th, 2016.

Except for this podcast recording.

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Because now we can all be day one listeners.

So let's listen to the intro of episode 34, Let the Bodies Hit the 34. Let the 30, let the, that is the worst.
30, let the bodies hit the four. So stupid.
So stupid. How do we start? Let's focus on a pain-free hour.
Okay, I would love that. Just a release.
Let's imagine our lower backs, the muscles in our lower backs, red, slowly turning to blue. Thank you.
Slowly fading to blue. Release.
Release your sciatic nerve pain. Hi, this is Georgia.
My butt is broken and Karen is trying to fix me. Hi, I'm Karen.
I'm not a trained doctor or professional in any way. I thought maybe if I talked in a certain weird tone of voice, Georgia's butt muscle would unclench.
It worked. Are you okay? I feel great.
This whiskey might be helping too, but. This episode might be a little what we call in my family, hinky.
because Georgia has devastating back pain

and has been suffering from it for two days. This is real.
This is totally. I've been suffering the back pain forever.
And then my sciatic. Listen, it's real interesting.
If anyone has cures, please just explain it to him so that when you cry out and then we have to hit pause, they know what's happening. i have a i have a slipped disc in my back for the past couple months and it has eventually caused my sciatic nerve to be pinched and i am in so much fucking pain in the at this moment uh right at this moment no but it keeps like clenching and then like i fucking can't and i got an mri today and i like that's that's how i let everyone know that it's serious serious is that I got an MRI today.
Like that's, you don't, you're not just like, I'm sick. You know, like.
Oh, heating, put a heating pad on it. It's like, no, I was in a goddamn machine.
Also, I'm sitting on a heating pad. That's right.
Just like one of your cats. It's my cat's heating pad.
It's very cute. Thank you.
Make sure you don't get pinworms. What's that? You know, like when you hang out and share all your stuff with your pets you start getting you get worms like how my cat is sitting on that mechanical pencil with his asshole right now i put a pencil down oh yeah and elvis came over and and sat on it asshole first he didn't even sit he placed his asshole on it delicately yeah and like a yoga instructor purposefully yeah asshole down and then the butt cheeks okay am is my immune system better or worse for living with cats who put their assholes on everything i say better right because you're able to withstand now that your body is filled with bugs you're able to stand more in the outside now that every every inch of my body has basically been assholed listen i have two yeah shitty dogs that i never clean and i sleep with them every night and every once in a while i remember to change that pillowcase and when i do i go what do i have i'm sure i have fleas in my ears have they crawled into my brain all these things our skin would be a lot worse if we were really sick uh also i've heard that you know what i mean pretty great skin says the girl who has acne uh i also heard that children who grow up around pets are have much better immune systems so i'm basically just a big child yes yeah i mean we're just trying to get back some of that youth that we enjoyed so much.
Surrounded by Anamalia. Your back gets fucked up when you're older.
What? I know. You're not that old.
I thought it was going to be young forever. I think it's some, you just have some emotional releases.
I think if you took a sledgehammer to an old car or screamed in certain people's faces,

you're welcome to scream at me at any time.

I have said I want to open that business where it's just like you go in a like white painted

room and there's just like dishes and a sledgehammer and like electronic equipment and you just

have five minutes to break shit.

I think they do that in Japan, don't they?

Oh, I'm sure they do.

I feel like that's something I've seen on the nightly news. Let start this okay hi everybody oh i meant the business i don't not the podcast hey but hey we might as well do both is it housekeeping oh yeah hey this is my favorite murder with karen and georgia oh yes yes did you know that i hope you knew you clicked on it motherfucker um or maybe your cat's asshole sat on your phone I guess the first moment of corrections corner because that's why I might as well just always only talk about corrections corner uh listen it turns out seventh day adventists do give gifts and I don't even remember talking about I think it think it's Jehovah's Witnesses that don't.
Let's start next week's correction corner. What if this is a double correction corner? No, it was.
Let me find her. Because I just faved it because she was laughing and saying, I am a Seventh-day Adventist.
We do give gifts. I do know that I, long ago when I worked at The Gap, I worked with a guy who was a Seventh-day Adventist and claimed because of that, he didn't have to work Saturdays.
So maybe I do have some bitterness deep down. Good for him.
Yeah, because I was always standing there on Saturday like, where the fuck is Ramon or whatever his name is. But she really enjoyed that.
She wasn't mad or anything or offended. But I guess maybe it's, isn't there one of those religions that just doesn't observe any of the holidays that like, they're just like, we don't do your holiday.
Jehovah's witness. Okay.
Do you want me to say it one more time? I need to believe it. You just keep on saying it, but it has to be me accepting it.
Jehovah's Witness. Oh, okay.
Jehovah's Witness. As like two people who were raised pretty lax in religion, right? Oh, no, no.
I'm Jewish and you're Catholic, but not hardcore. Oh, we were strictly Catholic.
Yeah. I still remember the day my sister and I told my dad we didn't feel like going to church.
And it was as if we were fuck you mister like it was the fight we got into by going we don't want to go to church today was unbelievable like 18 oh my god yo yeah wow serious catholic irish catholic old school bullshit when you go home do you have to go to church I well I do go to church like i don't have to anymore because i already went through my pseudo goth mod punk phase right i never i wasn't able to commit style wise to any of those things sure but i had the spirit and they mesh they all mesh yeah it's a lot of black tights and bad attitudes eyeliner but but now it's fun because like my niece. It's always something for my niece or a family party or whatever.
So now I just play along. That's cute.
And I also am more spiritual than I was back in those days when I just wanted to kick things with my big black shoes. I'll go to temple.
Yeah. After my bat mitzvah, I was like, fuck this.
I will never go to temple again. Right.
But now but now i'm like okay it's like not about believing in god it's about having a community and and history and all this yeah spiritual bullshit i mean i think it's natural to rebel against the structures of our youth right uh it feels good so this has been religion corner with ding dong with religion religion corner oh what was the other house keeping you oh so sorry to the seventh is how that started uh oh also this is episode 34 or as our listener daniel at lf lfc west uh suggested we call it, we will call it 30 let the bodies hit the four which is just a fucking great well done you daniel that's funny well done you good job also i have to apologize because i called the band that we were in entertainment weekly with remember we weregging out last week that we were in our own show.

So we're bragging, bragging.

And this is how I am where I'm like, me, me, me, me, me. And then I'll skim other things and speak on it as if I know what I'm talking about.
Well, so I called the band that we were in Entertainment Weekly with, I called them Sunlit Youth. Right.
The name of the band is Local Natives. And that's their album is Sunlit Youth.
The album is called Sunlit Youth. They're local natives.
They're an LA native band. They're also huge.
They're huge. We had lots of people telling us the mistake I made.
I didn't know. It's super embarrassing because it just makes me feel like someone's weird aunt that's trying to hang out at like a teenage party.
Well, that's us. That's a description of us.
Fuck. We're someone's weird aunt who's trying to hang out at a party.
God damn it. It's your exact.
There's a lot we have to face during this episode. And thanks a lot, local natives, for really making me get in the face of my own.
But here's the upside of that. Okay.
The band Silver Sun Pickup started following us on Twitter. Shut up.
Which must mean, right? You wouldn't follow, unless it was an accident. That happens to me sometimes where you just touch a thing and suddenly you're following it but there is a chance that the people that belong to the insanely amazing band silver sun pickups listen to this podcast who got their name from the silver sun liquor store in silver lake right by where we're at right now that's right so yeah i mean let's focus on the mistakes i haven't made yet indie bands love us we're true we're your aunt listen we're your aunt we support you you gotta love your aunt coming and standing at your show with the big purse and her arms crossed just actively supporting and then telling you later who's who she saw in the past like Like what band? I saw Elliot Smith.
Come on.

Girl, I mean, who haven't I seen?

Yeah.

I was there back in the day when Beck walked on stage during that one John Bryan show at

the Old Largo.

I could tell you 50 stories like that.

Don't.

No, I can't.

I would never do that to you.

You already have so much pain.

Okay.

It's funny how you're the housekeeping person. Well, it's always my mistakes.
No, what's always is that I won't cop to my mistakes or apologize for them. Badass.
I will try to do that more. Mine are so blatant that people are like, hi, I love you.
Don't be mad, but you completely fucked this up. Yeah.
But you know what? That's in the past past who listens to episode 33 nobody god it's just like so old it's like so last week it's so our dumb aunt i missed there i slept through therapy today it's a good sign it's a great sign that's always a good sign i mean blow off therapy i forgot therapy and my therapist text and was like hey I had you down for four and I was like I was on I'm on pills um I do that probably every other week and I have no excuse you know I actually had this really amazing therapist recently not amazing she and I didn't work out but I liked her and she said to me like I have this thing about being late I'm never late and it stresses me out and I'm like I get so angry with myself and I'm late and I showed up to me, like, I have this thing about being late. I'm never late.
And it stresses me out. And I'm like, I get so angry with myself when I'm late.
And I showed up to my appointment, like, not even 10 minutes late. And I was like, I'm so sorry.
I'm a fucking idiot. And she was like, what? Tell me why it's, like, what's wrong with being late? Or, like, tell can, you should say to yourself about being late.
And I was like, Oh, I should, I should say like, it's okay. No one's a boba.
And I kept saying things and she was like, Nope. And finally I was like, what do I say? And she was just like, it's okay.
That's it. Yeah.
It's okay. Yeah.
That's all it is. It is okay.
Everything's okay. It's not like you don't have to reason with yourself i miss therapy today it happens it's okay if you have something else going on like you have to give yourself a break that this isn't standard time yeah you have crazy back pain that's keeping you from like getting up to get a glass of water yeah so yeah you might be fucking 10 minutes late for something and even if i'm five five minutes late because of whatever the fuck reason it's okay it's okay it like the world you know i have to say my dad said this great thing to me one time when i was super crazy had just flunked out of college was really felt like i really felt like the world was like melting around me and he goes and of course i had to to like borrow money from him.
It was like, I basically felt like the biggest failure and like I was always going to be that that moment I was probably 21 or 20 and I was, I was, I just stamped myself permanent loser. Yeah.
It defines the, you think at that age, it's defining, it's a defining moment. Yeah.
And thank God at the end of this phone conversation my eye goes hey listen really honestly in 100 years nobody's gonna remember this and then i was like oh and that is the best advice yeah like live your life knowing that in 100 years like it's so scary to some people.

Like, oh, we all died in 100 years,

I won't be remembered.

Yeah, but also you won't be remembered.

Yeah.

So fucking relax a little bit.

Or you will be by your like great grandchildren and they're like,

my grandma was a fucking badass.

She did this and this and this.

I'm not gonna be like,

can you believe my grandma didn't graduate college?

Right.

No.

No, not at all.

Did you see that my dad is now,

my dad texted me that he's listening?

Yes, you told me that. Oh my God.
I love it. Can I read everyone who's not following us in all the places? What the fuck is wrong with you guys? What he said? He said, started listening to your podcast and wow, your voice is great.
The interaction is terrific. Let's talk when you can.
Love dad. For further notes.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
But he also signed it, love, dad. I was like, oh, thank you.
Oh, then he said. He signed a text.
Yes. And then he said, you go, girl.
Not fucking kidding. Yes.
I wanted to call in when you talked about not sitting next to a window to avoid being crushed by an out of control car crashing on top of you. An ad that I always sit facing the door at like a restaurant.
Yeah. So I can see whoever is coming in to assassinate me or worse.
Your dad said that. Yeah.
Okay. Now we're getting to the root of some stuff.
Anxiety. Marty's got it.
Yeah. And I was like, can you please call and like talk, like leave me a voicemail about how you deal with anxiety or whatever so I hope he's okay with me reading that anyways so should we uh we'll mark this Stephen for a potential edit that we'll never make um well hey here's the thing though there's nothing to be embarrassed about because this is the human condition this is I told you that right when my therapist told me once that our reptilian brains are built to scan for present danger and then review for past mistakes.
That's all your brain does constantly. So when you are in that mode of like, you are looking around to see if a car is coming or who, what lunatic is coming in the door, that is how the human brain works so we survive.
That's how the saber-toothed tiger doesn't eat us. That's the reason the hardstarks are here and the cocariffs are here is because our brains did that correctly.
So if that means that we have a bunch of anxiety because in this day and age, there aren't any wild animals that are about to jump on our backs and it

doesn't sync up that much, then yeah, give yourself a break.

Yeah.

But there are murderers.

And so we're going to talk about those murderers.

Yeah.

After a quick break,

we're going to get to our favorite saber tooth tiger murderers.

This week it's all saber tooth tigers.

Be right back. And we're back learning that Marty Hartstark has a little bit anxiety issue, maybe.
He learned it through listening to the show where his daughter talks about her anxiety issues. Yeah.
I mean, they match. It's almost like their chromosome matches.
DNA matches. Does Marty have any back pain or sciatica issues like you? He definitely has back pain.
Listening to this episode or listening kind of like hurt me because that sciatica time period, I look back on now and realize it was all a lot of it was stress and anxiety. Yeah.
And so I want to like go back to Georgia back then and tell her to read The Body Keeps the Score. Yeah.
She needs to be going to acupuncture for stress management. I mean, and deal with shit in your life.
That's like when the therapy was the most intense and important in my life. Yeah.
Yeah, I was in so much fucking pain. Red light.
Also, everyone, red light. Do red light therapy.
Does red light help for back pain? Oh, my God. I use it every night.
Yes. Wow.
Red light is incredible. Oh, that's great.
Infrared light. Don't just, like, take a light bulb.
Have you ever tried an infrared sauna? Yep. I have a sauna sleeping bag that I just get it.
An infrared sauna sleeping bag that I just fucking tuck into sometimes with cats because they love it and go to sleep it's it's incredible for

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I'm pretty certain. I closed my computer because I'm pretty certain you're first.
Okay. Don't you dare.
I don't like it being. We don't.
I like it never knowing. There was somebody actually.
Wait, are we back? Sure. There was somebody.
There was somebody that wrote in that was like, every week you guys don't know who it is. Why don't you just do even odd number systems? I know.
It made me laugh out loud. I was like, first of all, without looking, I knew it was a guy.
And then secondly, I was just like, first of all, enjoy the charm of not knowing. Enjoy the fact that what we're doing here is like sussing it out as we go every time and who wants a number system also here's what happened wait are you even are you odd hold on what day is it i'm even i thought it was a 24th is this number 35 so i'm even okay no but i thought that meant that if you were even i go first right there's your number system superstar that's worse so Karen but thanks for the suggestion yeah so I go first.
Right. There's your number system, superstar.
That's worse. So, Karen.
But thanks for the suggestion. Yeah.
So you go first this time. I'm pretty certain it's you.
Well, because I last week was beating myself up for being such a lazy pants Marie. Stop it.
I did what some might call, I believe on other murder podcasts They call heavy hitters Yeah I'm this week bringing you The mass murderer Killer Richard Speck Hey Do you know him? Oh fuck, hold on Yeah Just shout it right into the microphone When you have pain Everybody wants to hear it Are are you being mean no i mean like it's gonna be part of it that's okay it's gonna make excited or am i in extreme pain that's gonna be the well just say just do what you feel but don't be don't edit yourself i don't know a ton about richard speck so i'm really excited about this richard speck has on his wikipedia page there's a couple pieces of information that are some of my favorite sentences I've ever read. For example, when he was six years old, his father died of a heart attack and his mother remarried a peg-legged drunk with an extensive criminal record who she met on a train.
Say that again? She remarried a peg-legged drunk with an extensive criminal record who she met on a train oh my god now this was long ago enough that there were still peg leggers around i mean and you meet people on a train yeah and you're and and he's and he's a drunk so it's like this guy seems fun and like he's making the most of life do you think you oh i have so many questions go on i. I know.
Well also, so you know, if he's a peg leg drunk, that he's probably not going to be the best stepdad in the world. I mean, when back then was a stepdad, a good stepdad.
I know this, this was really dark days for any kind of a secondary parenting. I think it's funny how even today you hear of a stepdad and you're like, and then, but then they're like, no, he was in a, like, you have to, you have to tell someone that this is your stepdad, but then say like, but he's amazing.
He's the good, he's a good kind. Yeah.
It actually, it's kind of a dirty word. Yeah.
Yeah. Wait, do you have a stepdad? No, my mom has, has had a boyfriend for like 10 years.
He's like the best dude. Great.
My parents divorced when I was a kid and luckily never found anyone else to marry them. So I got lucky.
You didn't have to deal with any of that shit. Step kids, step parents.
Weird, strange teenagers that now live in your home. No.
You're supposed to call them brother and sister. Like they dated, but like it was fine.
And now my mom's boyfriend's like the coolest dude. That's great.
Yeah. Yeah.
My mom's boyfriend is totally a positive phrase. And my new stepdad is a nightmare situation.
Yeah, that's true. All right.
So he, when he was in third grade, they, the whole family moved to Texas and they would have 10 different addresses in 12 years. So the peg leg drunk didn't work out so good.
He was obviously drunk, very angry, very abusive, and also had a bit of a criminal background, was a forger and just an all around Texas superstar. So because of that, um started drinking himself in sixth grade oh my god and dropped out of school when he was 16 so a dark start early and bad um so these i'm just going to try to go through these very quickly his crimes in texas are as follows when he was 19 he met a oh uh well i guess that is when he was 19 he met a 15 year old girl at the state fair and three weeks later she was pregnant technically that's statutory rape yeah when his daughter was born his wife didn't know that he was serving a 22 day sentence for disturbing the peace after a drunken melee a phrase i feel like they only use on wikipedia when was 21, he was arrested for forgery and burglary and sentenced to three years, but paroled after 16 months.
A week after his parole, he attacked a woman in the parking lot of her apartment building with a 17-inch carving knife. Is that his first attack against a female? Yes.
Aside from family, they said that he was very abusive within the family yeah but i don't know if that was just because the whole family was all fucked up down there once they moved to texas um but this is his first uh like adult assault because it's so weird to go from like i don't think i don't think a lot of people go from like burglary and like fighting outside of a bar to like attacking a woman alone. Actually, burglary is a very common like first for and especially for serial killers.
Really? They start in burglary. Yeah.
Just to see if they can. It's like invading people's space.
Oh, okay. And then it kind of goes further.
But you're right about the drunken. Usually you think just somebody that's kind of drunk is isn't gonna no suddenly pull what is over a foot and a half long knife on someone isn't that kind of a sword that's a really fucking long night when do we go from knife to sword like let's let's get it down how long is a sword three two feet you're asking the wrong i watch the knife show sometimes but i'm usually i've watched it with you cutlery corner oh cutlery oh that's a good show god damn that's a good show uh so she got away luckily but he was convicted of aggravated assault given a 16 month sentence that's uh and um it was supposed to run concurrently with his parole violation sentence but due to an error he was released from prison just six months later on completion of his parole violation uh after i don't think this kind of stuff happens as much here in modern times as this whole error yeah this weird paperwork jail error shit about your name wrong yeah and suddenly you're free to go yeah all right so he gets out of prison he works for three months as a driver for patterson meat company he has six accidents with the truck before he's fired shit after failing to show up for work now that's what they fired him for yeah uh yeah so i guess the guess the accidents, he always had a good reason.
I mean, I think this guy is a real, he's good at talking. He's a bullshitter.
He's like, you know, a fast talker. He's not one of them low IQ dudes.
No, he's not one of those. Okay.
I don't think, no. Okay.
So in December 1965, on the recommendation of his mother, he, uh, moved in with a 29 year old woman who was an ex professional wrestler herself and a bartender at his favorite bar, Ginny's lounge. She sounds like a fucking badass.
I would love to see a picture of her right now. I would, I would love it.
I want to hang out with her. She also needed someone to babysit her three children.

What?

So Richard Speck was her man.

Oh, as you do.

You pick the fucking ex-con man.

Yeah, instead of hiring a teen girl babysitter,

you go ahead and get a guy that hangs out at the bar that you bartend at.

What the shit, man?

Guys, guys.

Guys in Texas in the 60s, get your shit together. I so so uh i love so a month later his wife files for divorce the same month richard speck stabbed a man in a knife fight at Ginny's lounge.
He was charged with aggravated assault, but his attorney that his mother hired for him got the charge reduced to disturbing the peace. How hilarious is that stabbing someone is disturbing the peace? You know what? It is disturbing.
It is disturbing. And I had peace before you did it.
So technically that that was a real good lawyer so he was fined ten dollars and he was jailed for three days and oh no sorry he was fined ten dollars and then he was jailed for three days after he failed to pay that fine oh my lord they're letting him off practically scot-free and he's still going hey go fuck go fuck yourself. So that was the last time he was in police custody in Dallas.
So this is kind of an amazing crime. On March 5th, 1966, he buys a 12-year-old car.
And then the next night, he burglarizes a grocery store, steals 70 cartons of cigarettes, sells them out of the trunk of the car in the same grocery store's parking lot, then he abandons the car. So the police trace the car back to him and issue a warrant for his arrest.
But that arrest would have been his 42nd in Dallas. Are you kidding me? Yeah.
This sounds like the plot of Raising Arizona. It's...
Am I wrong? Son, I believe you got a panty on your head the best movie of all time i love him so much i love him so much okay so so his sister drives him to the bus depot and he gets a bus and he takes a bus back to chicago where he still has family because're like, you got to get out of town or you're done for. Yeah.
42 arrests. So on March 16th, 1966, he finds out that his wife got remarried two days after divorcing him.
And at the end of that month, he gets detained by the police for threatening a man with a knife in a bar so richard speck you know in in a sentence he's all about bars knives and getting arrested it's his passion so um this is his fresh start in chicago by the way so on april 3rd uh he breaks into the home of a 65 year old woman in monmouth which which is where his sister lives. And that's why he's in this small town in Illinois.
And she comes home at 1am cause she's been babysitting. The right babysitter.
This is who you pick. Yes.
An old lady babysitter. She walks in the door.
There's a man standing in her house, six foot tall white man, as she describes him, who was very polite and spoke very softly with a southern drawl who blindfolds her, ties her up, rapes her, ransacks the house and steals the $2.50 that she had earned babysitting. that evening so uh then on april 9th a woman named mary k pierce who is a 32 year old barmaid

who worked at her brother's tavern in downtown monmouth monmouth i'm sure i'm pronouncing it wrong um she was last seen leaving that tavern at quarter to one in the morning she was reported missing on april 13th her body was found the same day in an empty hog house behind the tavern. And she died from a blow to her abdomen that ruptured her liver.
So Richard Speck frequented that bar and he helped build that hog house. Oh, no.
That was one of the jobs he got was a carpentry job. His older brother helped him get when he moved to town.

So the Monmouth police briefly questioned him about this woman's death. But when they show up to the Christie Hotel, he loves to stay in these flop houses.
That's through the whole story. He has left town.
but when they search the room they find a radio costume jewelry uh and other items that that the 65 year old woman had reported missing from her house after her attack right so now they know and then they also find other um other uh personal effects that are related to other burglaries in town so they know this guy has done all of this. So why did he leave all that shit behind? Well, because he had to get out of town because he had killed this woman essentially.
And then he was like, high tails it out and then just doesn't care. Yeah.
So also he's a crazy drunk. Right.
So he's not a good plan or probably Packer. So he leaves that small town, goes back to Chicago to stay with his other sister, Martha.
And Martha had worked as a pediatric nurse before she got married, which is just an interest to me was an interesting note for later. Yeah.
Foreshadowing that's right um so he goes and he joins the merchant marines his brother-in-law recommends that he does that so it's like it's consistent work you know like you it's it's kind of like when fuck-ups join the army and to get a little something in them so it's kind of same idea not that all army people are fuck up not in the least please don't send us no no no we support the troops in every way however some more than most actually i mean really um but no but this is like it and this is also a thing back in the day like you join the merchant marines when you're kind of listless and you don't you know it's like it did my brother did it and I was the best fucking person ever. Yeah.
So I get it. So I get to talk about it.
So you get credit. Yeah.
I'm going to talk about it. There's so many ways to make mistakes when you have a podcast and you're just trying to talk and you're speaking and you just piss everyone off.
I really support the Marines. I guess I want to.
All right. Sorry.
I deviated from that. It's really something people used to do.
Did you see Llewyn Davis? He was trying to get on a ship. He just he was like a loser musician.
Yeah. No, it doesn't matter.
We're not. We're not bad people.
We're really good people. OK, so he gets he joins the merchant Marines.
He gets on a ship. Four days later, he gets appendicitis and he has to get airlifted to a hospital so he stays in this hospital for two weeks after his surgery and he loves the attention he's getting from these nurses and while he's there he meets and befriends a 28 year old nurse's aide named judy so once he's gets better he goes back onto the ship but he is a drunk and he's also takes pills so there's a lot sounds like me right now it's totally you um and he had really bad sciatica what oh my god it sends it right here um on the ship he is gets drunk he exposes himself to other crew members.

Gross.

He gets into fist fights.

Nobody wants to see that shit.

Again with the knives.

He's all over the place with the knives.

And then finally he gets drunk and yells at a superior officer.

Yeah.

So they put what they call put him ashore,

which to me visually is so hilarious of like the boat pulls up and fucking

kicks him off.

And he gets like stranded in upper Michigan. Holy shit.
They just like him off they're just like get the fuck out of here wow they later dated him so hard so hard so um he goes and finds that woman judy the nurse's aide judy that he met at the hospital and he ends up at her house. She says the entire time he stays with her for like two weeks,

she says he's a perfect gentleman, showered her with gifts,

took her to dinner, and was amazing.

And at the end of the trip, she lent him 80 bucks

so he could take the train back to his sister's house in Chicago.

All right.

That's the only nice story that you're going to hear about Richard Spe back glad judy's okay yeah she did fine he gets back on july on june 30th by july 11th he's overstayed his welcome and his sister kicks him out of the house um so he goes down to the maritime hall to get another job on a ship but but the they keep saying he has assignments and then they fall through which must have something to do with the fact that he got kicked off a ship already you know yeah um at one point so he's just kind of wandering around he has nowhere to go he's broke so his sister uh come and her husband come visit him on july 13th she gives him 25 bucks they sit in her car and have a conversation and while they do this they're sitting outside a townhouse that is also serves as a nurse's student a student nurse's dormitory oh yeah oh yeah so basically they have a conversation which i would imagine would be you got to let me come back because i have nowhere to go and the sister's like fuck no in Europe. Yeah.
So basically they have a conversation, which I would imagine would be, you got to let me come back because I have nowhere to go. And the sister's like, fuck no.
Oh, you're a lunatic. Here's $25.
See ya. And would not want to be you.
Oh, no. Yeah.
See you in with no. That's hilarious.
So he takes the money, gets a room at a flop house called the Shipyard Inn, and then he starts day drinking, which we know never goes well.

Does it? For them, maybe not. Yeah, no, you're right.
I mean. I mean, for me.
For me, it's just like, it's just the promise of an amazing nap. That's all it is.
That's true. For me, when I used to drink, I just knew at some point, if I started drinking like around noon, at some time in the evening, I would be trying to hit someone in the face.
That's me though. See, I'm like noon to three, hard nap to five or six, take a shower, go out again.
Get back on that horse. Or just hang out at home.
Yeah. Or watch some quality tv yeah um okay so what he does instead is he day drinks oh no and he starts following a 53 year old woman from bar to bar who is also day drinking sure and finally he propositions her at the last place that they're at.
He gets her come back to his room with him rapes her steals a black 16 dollar mail order 22 caliber rom pistol that's a lot of detail all of those say that again black i cut and pasted that so i didn't realize that they were going to describe this fucking gun to the teeth but mail order is the problem point for me. You know what? I wish I could give a critique on every Wikipedia page because there's so much overriding and backwards describing.
But I believe the thing that stuck out for me. Yes, you were correct about all of that.
But that you could just mail order a gun. Oh, yeah.
I mean, I guess there's so we gotta have our weapons as americans any by any means possible sure uh okay so after he attacks and brutally rapes this woman and steals all her shit he goes and eats dinner then he goes back to drink at the shipyard in tavern until 10 30 at night then he goes back up to his room and gets dressed entirely in black oh no that can't be anything good i mean he's not a goth he's not a ninja he's armed with a switchblade and the stolen gun he walks a mile and a half back to the townhouse where he was having the conversation with his sister and uh it is it's a dormitory it's i already said that but it's functioning as a dormitory for nursing students for south chicago community hospital honeys so he cuts open the screen on a back window so this screens man screens are yeah troublesome yeah he cuts open the screen crawls in the window walks up the stairs and knocks on a bedroom door and a woman named corazon or cora amuraro um opens the door and sees a man standing there holding a gun to her and he pushes into the room there's two other women in bed he gets them out of bed um and he gets them to come out of the room at gunpoint and go into a bigger bedroom in the back and then he they he uh goes into these other rooms he finds women i'm sure that those they screamed or made some weird noise he goes into these other rooms. He finds women.
I'm sure that they screamed or made some weird noise. He goes basically into each room, collects up all the women that are in this dormitory and puts them all into this back room.
And then he, which is to me, I think as I was reading this kind of a crucial point, he turns off the light in the room. Then he lights cigarette and sits on the floor he has them sitting in a semicircle and he very again politely and in his quiet southern drawl starts explaining to them how he's not going to hurt them he just wants money he's trying to leave town he's just going to get a bunch of money from them and then he he puts out the cigarette, stands takes out a switchblade and starts cutting up a sheet and he ties the hands and feet of all these nursing students and then he picks up the first girl and like to go as if to say you know we're gonna go get your purse like I'm gonna you're gonna get me your money yeah and her name was pamela wilkening and pamela fucking spits in his face and says i can i will be able to pick you out of a lineup oh no yeah god bless her soul he takes her into the other room and he starts to rape her and two other nursing students who had just come home uh walk in on them so he uh he pushes pamela down he takes the other two into another room and strangles and stabs them and kills them and leaves them in that room then he goes back to pamela stabs her once in the heart oh honey then he goes back to the group of women that are waiting in the room and they have no idea they have no idea but you know they're hearing noises totally and it's that thing where i honestly think that because a lot of people talk about that why would these there was ultimately there were eight nursing students sitting in a circle but first of all he had a gun on them and it's that thing of like i won't i don't want to hurt you i just need money so everyone's thinking and and they're nursing students so they know psychologically you want to be complicit you want to go along keep him calm clearly he's probably drunk he was probably very overtly drunk and he was on speed so they were probably just trying to keep everything like what he wanted, trusting that he was doing what he said, which of course he fucking wasn't.
Yeah. So he goes back in and he just keeps taking them out one by one.
And at one point, Cora, the one who opened the door first, gets out of her, out of her ties and rolls under a bed and just stays in there. And then as he's taking them out, they're hearing noises and they all, like, they don't know what to do.
They're staying really quiet. And then, and she describes all of this later on.
Basically, the second to last woman, hees in the room so she sees and hears it um and then he kills her and she is just pressed up under a bed against the wall praying yeah so all in all he killed eight women that night pamela wilkening who was 20 patricia matuzek who was 20 nina joe schmali who was 24 suzanne ferris who was 21 mary ann jordan who was 20 merlita gargulo who was 22 valentina passian who was 23 and gloria davy who was 22 and then he walks out the front door he throws his knife into the Calumet River and he goes home and goes to bed thinking that he has committed the perfect crime because he killed all of the women but he didn't because Cora was still under the bed She waited until six in the morning. And then she opened a window and started crawling out the window, screaming, they're dead.
All of my friends are dead. Oh my God.
There's a woman across the street who was doing laundry in her house. And here's what she thought.
She thought a baby was crying. And she opens her front window.

And sees Cora out the back window.

Just screaming out the window.

So she goes over there.

Then she wakes up like the house mother. For all that.

The dormitories.

And this fucking house mother walked through the house.

Oh fuck.

Seeing every room there was a different dead body.

I mean it was a disaster.

When the police finally came. The policeman policeman who was first on the scene had only been on the force for 18 months so he walked through and he was when he came back out of the house this is actually kind of fascinating back then they had reporters who would listen to the the police radios and they would just drive around and like you know, there was a house caught on fire or whatever.
So this guy that was the reporter that heard this call was there probably five minutes after this first cop. And when he got there, he said the guy had his hat on backwards.
His shirt was out of his untucked. He was walking in circles.
He was completely shock and um the guy said what's going on and he said they're all dead and they said go look and so this reporter walked into the scene and so he actually talked about it where he said there was so much blood in the hallway that it can't as you walk through the hallway because it was coming out of the rooms oh my god that you would step down and it would come up over the sole of your shoe and to the to the top of your shoe fuck and they were in every single room it was so when the when the rest of the cops finally appear there you know there there's some cops outside and their cops would walk into the house and then come out and throw up. And then the other cops that hadn't gone in yet were giving them shit like, oh, yeah, you know, maybe you've been on the force too long.
Then they'd go up and they'd come out and throw up. And every single cop that arrived on the scene vomited.
You think one would be like, I'm going to stay out of there. Where they have to go in.
Right. This is the fucking job.
So that's what a nightmarish, insane. And also, this was 66.
This was before Manson. This was before anything.
There was no spree killings back then. Not really.
Or like the ones that they'd had, like the in cold blood one where it's like a family, but they were in those beds and it was gunshot wounds. This was like a knife and strangulation and just extreme so uh they but there are fingerprints all over the scene so and the fbi comes in immediately so they get they find out that it's richard speck like within um within three days of the attack they have his picture.
They also have the picture that Cora described him to the cops. Right.
And those two pictures run in the newspaper alongside the information that he has a tattoo on his forearm that says, born to raise hell. Fuck.
Can you imagine seeing like your sibling? oh yeah i mean like knowing it's him and that he did this this thing that is beyond monstrous like beyond so when when speck realizes his pictures in the paper he can't go anywhere he can't he's in this flop house and he doesn't know what to do so he commits tries to commit suicide he attempts suicide drinks a bottle of old wine breaks the bottle and then slashes his wrists but then at the 11th hour calls downstairs and says call an ambulance because i'm dying and so they take him to the um Let's see. They take him to Cook County Hospital.
And Dr. Leroy Smith.
Who was a 25 year old surgical student. Had read.
Had just read the newspaper. Oh my God.
Saw the born to raise hell tattoo detail. And when he walked up on this suicide case.
Sees that tattoo. And says uh or i think he just immediately called the cops but then later when richard speck asked for water um he said did you give any of those nurses water and just walked away so but then the cops were actually very careful they like stayed around him the whole time because they knew this was the situation where he could get killed before he ever gets tried.
Because he is such... For three days, this Chicago was in total terror.
So also, there were concerns because there was a recent Miranda case that vacated a conviction. Actually, for a number of criminals, vacated a bunch of convictions.
So they didn't even question him for three weeks because they needed to make sure everything was going to go exactly how it was supposed to go for the case. Yeah.
So when they finally do bring him to trial, they have to move it to Peoria, which is three miles away from Chicago, because they know there's no way they can get him a fair trial in Chicago. And there's a gag order on the press, which they used to do.
I don't know why they don't do that anymore. oh right where like you just can't publish anything there's no reporters allowed and they let the whole thing proceed as it would naturally which would make sense because

like once they're caught and going to trial, you don't need to know anything. You just tell us what happened.
Yeah. Yeah.
At the end, yeah. It's not the world we live in, though.
So the beautiful part is they were so worried about Cora because of this horrible thing she went through. And now she has to face him in court.
And they were really worried that she wasn't going to be able to do it. Not only did she fucking do it when they said, can you identify the killer? Is he in this room? She stood up from the witness box, walked over to Richard Speck, pointed into his face.
And they said she almost touched his face and said, this is the man. Holy shit.
And they, I just gave myself chills. And they, I love that so much.
Yeah. Because it must have been the fucking scariest thing in the world.
And she practically flicked his cheek. That's amazing.
They said because of that eyewitness account they the jury deliberated for 49 minutes before they came back with the death penalty wow um so on june 5th judge herbert j passion sentenced back to die in the electric chair um but uh they illinois had to reverse his death penalty because they said that they unconstitutionally excluded potential jury members when they were trying to find the jury so instead the judge that was forced to get to vacate the death penalty gave him 1200 years in prison um so uh every time he came up for parole after in all the years he was in prison he was denied within 10 minutes good i can't believe he even got a chance to plead his case for parole i mean i think the thing at the end of the day because they you know they did they examined him you know for like was he insane was he dizzy did he not know what he was doing was he incompetent or whatever and uh there was a psychologist or they did an examination of his brain and they did see that the hippocampus which involves memory right and the amygdala which deals with rage and strong emotions encroached upon each other uh and the boundaries of the two were blurred and a neurolog who examined those, the photos of those tissue samples, because the real tissue samples were sent to a Boston neurologist for further study and were lost or stolen. Oh, come on.
Of course. but a neurologist who examined photos of the tissue samples along with the results of an EEG

said I've never heard of this type of abnormality in the history of neurology. Weird.
So any abnormality that exceptional has got to have an exceptional consequence. Wow.
So it's all that combined with the perfect storm of the horrible father, the childhood abuse. And he also was diagnosed with organic brain syndrome because of the...
Hit his head as a kid. That's right.
He fell from a tree at White Rock Lake when he was an adolescent. And he suffered cerebral injuries.
Son of a bitch. It's there again.
Isn't that the weirdest thing in the world? Yeah. So, but anyway, also, I would just like to say he took reds, I think is what they called them at the time, which was basically speed.
And he would take like handfuls of them at a time. And as a person who took Fenfen in the 90s i would just like to say i would take two a day and i was a monster i was a lunatic on those pills for like two years i the fact that he like abused that kind like amphetamines he must have been i mean so he's already crazy monster he's already a monster and then he's on pills that make you even more of a monster so just to kind of like you know to somehow connect with what what happened in that dormitory because yeah it was like living hell yeah and that's what drugs do to you fuck i mean not to be your mom about it be my mom be my aunt look the weird aunt is here in every way don't do what i do kids um here's the thing that everybody talks about about richard speck though aside from that terrible killing and being this like loathed mass murderer there's a very famous video that got sent to bill curtis our man bill curtis um that someone an anonymous attorney sent it to bill curtis uh in 1988 and someone inside um the sorry the jail where was, I don't know if it's Cook County or if it was in a different jail, but someone, they made a video of what the, what it was like to be a prisoner in this jail.
And this is the video where Richard Speck is in women's underwear and no shirt.

And he has small women's breasts because he was taking hormones to transition while he was in jail he was able to smuggle hormones in so he had basically had like kind of like very perky b-cup breasts i've never seen this it disturbing. He's just, and he sits there with no shirt on with his little boobs in women's underwear, talking about these murders.
And it is fucked. Well, he he's, he's clearly trying to be the big man.
Yeah. Cause there's a, another prisoner sitting next to him.
So he's just talking about how strong you have to be to strangle somebody. And then it's not like you see it on TV.
It takes a long time. Oh, my God.
And he talks about how one of the women that he killed was flirting with him. Just crazy shit.
Holy shit. That's disgusting.
When you see it, you're like, yeah. So they showed it.
The Illinois legislature packed an auditorium and they showed it. What? And they ended up turning it off when it came to the part where Richard Speck started fellating the prisoner that he was sitting next to.
What in the actual fuck? And it was basically, I read somewhere that it said that they did it because they wanted to bring the death penalty back.

They were mad that Illinois got rid of the death penalty.

And it was basically trying to say, this is what's happening.

They're just sitting in prison, you know, having this great time.

And that was one of the quotes Richard Speck said.

If they knew how much fun I was having in here, they'd set me free.

Oh, my God, dude.

But too bad for you because Richard Speck died of a heart attack in prison. Good.
And they say no one claimed the body, but he was cremated and his ashes were sprinkled somewhere. So somebody must have done something with the body.
They sprinkled. They didn't say.
Somewhere near Joliet. Fuck.
And that is the super bummer story of Richard Speck. What a piece of shit.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, wow. Wow.
So dark. Yeah.
Karen, do you have any updates? I do. Let's see.
So in the year leading up to the trial of Richard Speck and those murders, the sole survivor Corazon Amarau became friends with the four policemen who guarded her while she was in protective custody. They took her shopping.
They took her to mass. They taught her how to play poker.
And then when it came time for her to testify, she asked for them to sit in the front row so that basically they were there for her while she did the hardest thing. And then ultimately she went back to the Philippines.
She got married and then moved back to the U.S. with her family.
And she worked as a nurse in Washington, D.C. area until she retired.
And now she is in her 80s. She's a grandmother.
She's described as a very happy person who enjoys life and laughs a lot. And she still likes playing poker like those cops taught her.
Oh, my God. I love her.
I want her to be my grandma. I mean, again, it's like such this I feel like happens all the time when we talk about survivors.
These people, the reason we love talking about them is like it's such an inspiring kind of galvanizing thing for yourself and the difficulty that you feel like you might be going through. You hear a story like that, hear Corazon being such an incredibly strong, like getting through it, making her life, like

basically saying fuck you to that

experience and making a life where she's

happy. Being brave and then

also asking for something that she needs, like

having those four officers in the front row.

Like, what an incredible

person and spirit.

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Goodbye. we're about to give a big old high five to australia oh by talking about the deadliest mass shooting in australian history the port arthur massacre fuck here we go so it was early 1987 martin bryant 19 year old dude iq of 66 yeah that face you're making is correct meets a 54 year old woman she's a harris to a lottery fortune i'm sure i don't know did you call her a Harris? Did I call her a Harris? I'm on pain pills.
Harris. I'm an Harris.
I was like, she's one of the Harris's. What the fuck? No, no, we cannot.
You guys so much pain right now. Use the pain.
I'm in so much pain. She's a Harris.
Sorry. Sorry.
No, you're I'm glad you pointed that out. Otherwise, to'll be like, what the fuck? All right.
54-year-old Helen Mary Elizabeth Harvey is an heiress to a lottery fortune. Well, sorry, if you win the lottery.
Like, I don't know if this means, so, you can't just call yourself a Harris. Well, I don't know if she's a Harris.
It's the share in the tatter. Saul's lottery fortune.

So they could be like the head of a lottery.

Got it.

I don't know.

Australia is different than here.

I guess if you started the lottery,

you're the richest one of all.

Okay.

Yeah.

Got it.

Got it.

So,

so he's a lawnmower and he meets her while he's looking for,

for more customers and they befriend each other.

He becomes a regular visitor to her. All right.
You ready for some fucking Grey Gardens action? Hello, yes. All right, neglected new town mansion and assist with tasks such as feeding their 14 dogs that are living inside the house.
Yes, like me. And the 40 cats living inside her garage.
Karen, you and I need to move there immediately. All of our cat and dog dreams can come true.
And we have a hot, stupid 19-year-old fucking doing shit for us. Just mowing that lawn.
That's some Grey Gardens shit. I mean, first of all, the level of dog and cat fighting.
If you had 16 dogs and 40 cats. What the what the fuck cats win i would just be walking around all day going stop it stop it get smoky you know they're like be nice to your sister but you have to do it with an australian accent i i won't even i can't i don't want to piss off a bunch of more australians after incorrectly saying that one of their murders was from or one of new zealand's murders was new zealand they're the ones that got pissed that's true and they're the ones you don't fuck with yeah lord of the rings okay go ahead harris anyways harris i like harris uh so in june of 1990 the family or the house just finally reported to the health authorities and medics found that Mary and her mom were in need of urgent hospital treatment.
The 79-year-old mother, Hilva, died several weeks later. A cleanup order was placed and Martin's father was like going to try to help clean everything up because he's like taking care of his stupid son all the time.
So should you be saying that? Well, he is a mass murderer. I don't think anyone cares.
That's okay. Okay.
No, you're right. I shouldn't be saying that.
I don't know. I'm so scared of correction corner.
I mean, you're correct. You're my correction corner.
Just keeps getting bigger getting bigger you come correct let's come correct yeah so um mary invites martin to live with her in this mansion and they start spending huge amounts of money they purchase more than 30 new cars in less than three years what i know that this is the harris the harris and her lawnmower harris and her hot i don't know if he's hot her fucking new boyfriend got it yeah are wait are they boyfriend girlfriend i don't know i don't think it's explicitly says but i think it's like part of if they're not boning there's some like relationship okay got it so uh so martin is is reassessed for his pension and a note attached to his paperwork says at the time father protects him from any occasion which might upset him as he continually threatens violence martin tells me he would like to go around shooting people it would be unsafe to allow martin out of his parents control control. That's why I said you have to take care of his stupid son.
Right, I got it. Not because I'm a terrible person.
Right. So in 91, Mary and Martin moved into a 72-acre farm, and the neighbors said he always carried an air gun and often fired at tourists as they stopped to buy apples at a stall on the highway.
And he would roam around the property firing the gun at dogs when they barked at him. Which is probably always because he was a piece of shit.
Also, when you fire guns, it makes dogs bark. So it's kind of a self-perpetuating situation.
There you go. Dog expert.

Gun.

Firing gun at dog expert.

But it was an air gun.

He was firing an air gun.

So he was just going through the motions.

Okay.

Yeah.

So then on October 20th, 1992, Mary, his Harris, was killed in a car wreck. Oh, no.
When her car veered on the wrong side of the road and hit an oncoming car directly and martin was inside the car at the time of the accident and was hospitalized but he was investigated by police because he had a habit of lunging for the steering wheel and um she had already had three accidents as a result of him doing this hold on yeah then what after the first time aren't you like you don't get to come into the car anymore she was an old harris and like she needed company she hit yeah but my brother if he's in the car with me and i'm driving he fucks with me i mean he doesn't lunge at the steering wheel but he fucking won't stop turning the fucking windshield wipers on every five fucking minutes when we're stopped at a stoplight he pulls the emergency brake every fucking time just to fuck with me that reminds me of my cousin stevie when he finally got his license i was like 10 and he was 16 and he would drive me home from school and then as he was driving down the road he'd go dead body and just fall over and i would have to jump over and start steering from the passenger seat so dangerous he did shit like that constantly can i out marty my dad real quick when we used to fucking he used to drive us up to lake arrowhead where he lived for a while i like these dark windy roads and we'd say dad how would i drive and he'd go georgia would drive like this and then just start weaving all over the fucking road and lee how would i drive dad lee would drive like this dark fucking mountain like no guardrail over georgia would drive i think it was just a shut the fuck like Like she shut us up. Yes.
After four hours. Well, it's boring.
Yeah. I mean, it's boring to hang out with little kids.
It's a bore. Man, we almost.
You gotta make it interesting. We almost died so many times.
God, that's so hilarious. I remember one time being so small that I could stand up in the backseat of my dad's VW Bug.
I could stand behind the driver's seat. On the seat? I was standing on the floor of the car.
I was as tall as the seat. So I was probably five.
And I thought it was really funny. I reached up and just covered my dad's eyes.
And his reaction was to start laughing. But he was like, knock it off, knock it off.
And he would pull up my hands. And then that was like the game on that car trip so i would do it and then the next time i did it i was like a little crazy monkey where i wouldn't take my hands off like he couldn't peel and he was like garen jesus christ i'm done you have to let go i can't see it was now i'm just having all these recovered memories of because we lived out in the country, too.

So you had a lot longer before something bad was going to happen when stuff like that was going on. How are we alive?

I don't know.

Maybe we're not.

You know what?

Maybe this is a Jacob's Ladder situation.

That's not nightmarish.

That's just like going pretty well.

It's pretty fun, you guys.

I like it.

That's why we're number one.

It's just not real. There's like no way in real life.
A massive hallucination. And then we're about to get dropped into the bowels of hell.
Yeah. Chris Hardwick is like, why would you think that this would be real? That you would be bigger than me? Oh, please.
No one's bigger than Chris Hardwick. My head hurts.
Okay. And back.
What? And back. And my butt.
So, da-da back what and back and my butt so okay he was the sole beneficiary of her will and came into yes but 550 000 not about much money well i guess you know after taxes yeah and he didn't know shit about money his mother applied and was granted guardianship of the money so his assets were under the management of public trustees um because he had diminished intellectual capacity i see you know what i'm saying yes so after her death martin's father maurice um looked after the farm that they had fucking lived on with all the animals. And he returned home after the hospital as a convalesce.
Let's see. His father had been prescribed antidepressants.
And two months later, on August 14th, a visitor looking for the father, Maurice, found a note saying, call the police, pin to the door, and found several thousand dollars in his car. There was no criminal intent suspected.
Let's see. They searched the property without success.
Divers were called to search the four dams on the property and on August 16th his body was found in the dam close

to the farmhouse.

With one of Martin's diving

weight belts around his neck.

Police

described the death as unnatural

and the death was ruled a suicide.

And Martin

inherited his father's money as well sorry they okay no no just they ruled it unnatural i think meaning he had committed suicide not that he was murdered dang okay yeah so like he didn't fall in on accident i got it okay so martin comes becomes super weird he so now he's by himself? Yeah. I think his mom can't keep custody of him.
So he's living on this place. He becomes super weird.
He starts, instead of dressing normally, wears gray linen suit, cravat. I don't know what that is.
That's a French for a tie. Thank you.
Linen skin shoes and a Panama hat while carrying a briefcase during the day telling anyone who listened that he had a well-paying career. So he's playing successful adult.
Yeah. Got it.
And he got super lonely. He starts visiting various overseas countries more than 14 times in two years.
Oh. It's like basically living the life all of us want without the murder part right i don't just like enjoy it dude yeah he hates all the destinations he goes to but he enjoys the flights as he could speak to the people sitting next to him who had no choice but to listen and be polite okay yeah that this is when you stop having any there's no empathy left yeah he's getting shit face all the time.
He's drinking a lot of booze. Oh, I wanted to tell you that he drinks half a bottle of Sambuca and a bottle of Irish Bailey's Irish cream every day supplemented with port wine.
What? That is all. See me when I'm 23? Does he also smoke cloves? What the fuck? That is all just the sweetest.
That's man. No no that's like saying you want just drink a milkshake that's the equivalent of hitting your head as a kid really you know what i mean wait sambuca and baileys sambuca baileys and port wine which is just sweet dessert wine oh it's disgusting that's like drinking barf yeah he's drinking when like a sorority girl

drinks her first time drinking yeah and her second all right day of the shooting sorry here we go his first victims are poor poor david and sally martin no no relation oh wait no his first name's martin so of course it wouldn't be anyways moving on they own they own the bed and breakfast guest house that the Martins

had bought.

So this family had bought the B&B that Brian's father had wanted to buy. And he believed that the Martins had deliberately bought the property to hurt his family and blamed them for the depression that led to his dad's death.
Oh. So he shoots them in the guest house, and then he goes to Port Arthur Ruins, and he

enters the broad arrow cafe. He eats and then he goes to the back of the cafe, sets a video camera on a vacant table, takes out a semi-automatic rifle and begins shooting patrons and staff.
Within 15 seconds, he had fired 17 shots, killing 12 people 12 people and wounding 10 then he walks the other side of the shop and fires 12 more times killing another eight people and wounding two he then changes magazines before fleeing shooting six people in the car park and from his car as he drove away four were killed and an additional six were injured oh my fuck and he recorded it on a video camera this guy's a piece of shit drives down the road he's crazy though i mean like that's he's not okay in any way he's insane oh he goes down the road wait it gets worse there's a woman and her walking. He stops and fires two shots, killing the woman and the child she was carrying.
Ugh. The older child gets killed too.
I don't want to... Then he steals a BMW by killing all four of its occupants.
God damn. And then a short distance down the road, he stops beside a couple in a white toyota and drawing his weapon ordered the man into the boot of the the bmw after shutting the boot he fires two shots into the windscreen of the toyota killing the female driver goes back to the guest house with the guy in his trunk sets this sets the stolen car on fire and takes the hostage inside with the oh okay with the corpses of the bmb people so he goes back to the bb but he didn't light the car on fire and leave the guy and say okay okay the police get there and they try to negotiate for many hours and then the phone dies in the bat the battery phone dies um his only demand was to be transported in an army helicopter to an airport.

Like, you're going to fucking get away, dude.

Well, 66 IQ.

He's just improv-ing.

So at some point he kills his hostage.

The next morning,

it's been 18 hours since he's been there,

he sets fire to the guest house

and attempts to escape.

He gets burns on his back and butt and was captured and taken to the hospital and he's treated and kept under heavy guard so initially he pleads not guilty to the 35 murders oh my god and didn't provide any confession however he changed his plea to guilty um before before a court hearing on november in november 19th 1996 finds found guilty of all charges the judge orders that all evidence for the case be sealed i don't understand i guess he just doesn't want the video to get out probably right if he's already because if he's already pleaded guilty he's gonna go to jail so yeah that guy that guy was like we're shutting

this circus down now make this be a thing oh that's good he's sentenced to 35 life sentences as many people as he killed plus a thousand and 35 years in prison so he's still there in solitary confinement no one but his immediate family is allowed to visit him he's never to be released it says no parole which is very rare in australia the majority of murder sentences allow for the possibility parole after a long prison sentence so his motivation for the massacre remains a guarded secret only known to his lawyer who is bound not to reveal without his client's consent so we don't know what triggered it why he started what made him fucking go over the edge but obviously all of these like slow build for a while yeah that i had yeah described are and there's they don't suspect that he killed his father and made it look like a suicide right i don I don't think so, no. Oh, that's...
Wow. So, yeah.
So, the Port Arthur massacre. But it...
I mean, it brought everyone together. It made people aware.
And... Yeah.
I mean, it's just this horrible thing. So, Martin Bryant.
Dick. Did...
I mean, like, what... I guess you wouldn wouldn't know but like it just makes me think was that location part of his reason part of the thing that hasn't been explained totally like or like was there one person of those 35 that he was specifically targeting the video it just freaks me out why would he yeah why would he put a video camera it's so like yeah there is such a plan in place obviously it's such a like i want everyone to know how like how i feel it's almost like this look at what look how awful i feel yes right and also look what i can do yeah and look what it's that thing i'm like that's guns is like

look at the control i have over the world i live in look how little safety you actually have even though you think you have it's my world you're just players in it right right and the moment you think you think you have the serene safety and i can fucking change that in the moments also I wonder what

if he had head injuries

in that car accident

I mean a head on collision where the one person dies. I think he did.
God, that's heavy. I know.
Should we read a, um, hometown? Um, isn't this nine hours long already? You're right. Let's do a separate hometown murder next week.
All right. Thanks for listening.
You guys are the best. We, oh, uh, we love you.
We love you. And I forgot how we ended this because I'm on.
Oh, I know how. Uh, we end by me telling you to stay sexy.
And me telling you don't get murdered. Elvis wants a cookie.
He knows. Elvis.
I know he doesn't want a cookie? He totally knows. Yes, I know your lines.
Good boy. See you over here.
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Two questions. Do you have any updates? And can you pronounce the word Eris now? Eris.
I say it all the time now just to show off, honestly. You're learned how much you've learned on this show.
Oh, heiress? Why did you just say that? Is there an heiress in the attic? All right. So some updates.
Following the massacre, Prime Minister John Howard spearheaded stricter gun control measures in Australia. And this led to the development of the National

Firearms Agreement or NFA in 1996. The NFA makes it clear that owning a gun, hey, think of this, is a privilege, not a right, and is only allowed when public safety is guaranteed.
Remember them, the public? Yeah. And their fucking safety? It banned people from owning fully automatic and semi-automatic guns.
No one fucking needs those. Created consistent rules around gun licensing and registration across the country and instituted a buyback program that resulted in 700,000 guns being surrendered to authorities and destroyed.
And that was about a third of all the guns in Australia at the time. Just shows you that people wanted that change.
Yes. People don't want to live in fear like this.
People don't want to hear about children being murdered in grammar school. Like, people don't want this.
I don't want to hear about, like, the newfangled fucking bulletproof backpack for children. Yeah, it's not their responsibility.
All right, well, that's a lot of show right there. And the original title of this big show is...
Don't say it again. 30, let the bodies hit the four.
We'll never have to say it again. Oh my God.
I mean, whatever. It's the past.
What could we do in the future? 2016? Come on. So long ago.
So today in the future, we would name it maybe a pain-free hour when you're talking to me in a soothing voice about my awful sciatica. And then there's also when we were talking about we never know who's supposed to go first in every episode.
And somebody said the charm of not knowing. I like that one.
That's a really good one. That explains so much about this podcast, I feel like.
That is us in capital letters right there. Charming and not knowing.
Ignorant, charming. Blissful.
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