Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 23: Making A Twenty Thirderer

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Speaker 1 Hello,

Speaker 1 and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. Yes, this is our Wednesday episode where we recap an old episode of My Favorite Murder.

Speaker 1 We give you case updates if we have any, apologies if they're necessary, and probably throw in a couple tangents. We love a good tangent.

Speaker 1 Today we're revisiting episode 23, which, you know, we're still in those pun number names. So this one's called Making a 23rderer,

Speaker 1 which came out on Wednesday, June 29th, 2016.

Speaker 1 And this episode is themed. We tell survivor stories, but also introduce three very important parts of MFM lore.
Karen coins an iconic phrase, and a listener names the listeners.

Speaker 1 And it is the debut of the man, the myth, the mustache, Stephen Ray Morris. Yes.
So buckle up, Murderinos, because now we can all be day one listeners.

Speaker 1 Okay, it's time to listen to the intro of episode 23.

Speaker 1 Welcome.

Speaker 1 What you couldn't hear is Karen and I just smiling, just doing

Speaker 1 fake podcast faces to each other as we were about to introduce this.

Speaker 1 Welcome to my favorite murder, starring Georgia Hardstark.

Speaker 1 That's her. Hi.

Speaker 1 And Karen Golgarif. Hi.
That's me. You're really good at

Speaker 1 pod, like long pauses. And so I'm like, am I, is she waiting for me to jump in? And then I...
you mean, I'm good at like putting putting them in and making you unsure as to what you're supposed to do?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's us. I like to keep mystery in the relationship.
You look tan.

Speaker 1 Did you get a tan? No.

Speaker 1 I have a red face because

Speaker 1 my favorite celebrity was talking to me on Twitter.

Speaker 1 And so my cheeks got really red and they wouldn't stop. They won't stop being red.
Karen, it's like significant.

Speaker 1 I've never seen you flushed before. I know.
This is what it looks like. Holy shit.
Don't just say who it is, but oh my God. I know.
Well, he knows who he is because that's why he talks.

Speaker 1 You get flushed when someone talks to you that you like. Yeah.
That's cute. I've never seen you speak to someone you like then.
I know. It doesn't happen that often.
You don't like any of our friends.

Speaker 1 It's just, you know,

Speaker 1 there's some good uses for Twitter. That's all I'll say.
That's so cute. Aren't I precious? Also,

Speaker 1 I was driving into the sun, essentially. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Driving home from work. So that it was a combo thing too.
I also don't think I've ever seen your arms.

Speaker 1 You took your sweater off because it's 100, 1,000 degrees in my life. Yeah, that's right.
And you're tan as fuck. Well, yeah, I guess I am a little bit.
I think this is just from

Speaker 1 how hot it's been. I really have never, I don't think I've ever seen you in a short-sleeved shirt.
You're adorable freckles. Let's talk about you.

Speaker 1 Adorable freckles. You're tan.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I think these part, I mean, like, look at this farmer's tan, though.

Speaker 1 Hilarious. I got to get that.
I got to start working on that. That is a gnarly farmer's tan.
Do not take a picture of this, Steven.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine? It is pretty sweet. It looks like, it looks like I'm an apple picker professionally, this totally farmer's tan that I have going.
It totally does.

Speaker 1 Yo, no, it's Summer Karen is in full effect right now. I got Botox today.
You did?

Speaker 1 We're going to go ahead and talk about. Let's get, this is full.
Let's just tell all of our secrets. God, I wish I had like, what is it called?

Speaker 1 Fact?

Speaker 1 Any kind of shame? I love it. Secrets? Well, who cares? At this point, everyone gets it.
Oh my God. If I cared that people, like I was trying to hide Botox, that wouldn't be me.

Speaker 1 It's like lying about your age. Also, every person that lives in this town would have to be hiding it.
Yeah. And you know what else? Half the other people should get Botox because fuck.

Speaker 1 It's like the best. It's the best.

Speaker 1 Wait, let me put my glasses back on. Okay, you can't tell.
It takes like a week for it to work, but you can see like a little bit of a bruise coming up. Oh, and then what happens?

Speaker 1 Everything tightens up. Yeah, it doesn't tighten.
It just kind of, yeah, it just, the muscles stop working. So there's no wrinkles.
Oh, it's great.

Speaker 1 I love it. I don't care how fucking vapid I sound.

Speaker 1 It's not vapid. I'm not.
It's not vapid. You're an on-camera personality.
Yeah. This kind of shit.
You just don't.

Speaker 1 I mean, if people know, like when you see yourself on camera, it's it's the physical equivalent of when you hear your voice on an answering machine. Yeah.
It's nightmarish or in a podcast.

Speaker 1 Especially HD on a huge TV. Oh, please.
And in general, too, it makes me feel better about myself. Of course.
Because who fucking cares?

Speaker 1 And also, every single person that you see on television over the age of 12 is filled with Botox. For sure.
You know why? Because it's awesome. Because it works.
So it's so great. Until they start,

Speaker 1 what they need to do is they need to develop some kind of a computer program that can just automatically go in and pull out wrinkles. Yeah.
That's what they need to do.

Speaker 1 But until then, it's on the individual performance. Yeah.
And it's, oh, man.

Speaker 1 I love it. You just love it.
Do you feel like spinning in a circle, like a pretty girl in a dress with an apron on the front? I get car sick really easily. So I think that would be a mistake.

Speaker 1 But I give money to charity too. It's not like this is my only

Speaker 1 girl. You're in Hollywood.
You're a Hollywood on-camera presence. You are a star of the food network.
You are a dessert queen. Thank you.
You don't want wrinkles in that shit. No, I don't need it.

Speaker 1 Although I have them and support them 100%. No, you don't.
I have like, I have a crevice in my forehead that a while ago, I was like, fuck it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with this. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I have gray hair.
Women are like, I'm just going to let my hair fucking grow gray. I can't do that yet because if I did, I could go completely gray really fast.

Speaker 1 No, you, I like your dark hair. You don't need it.
I need it. Yeah.
I need it. I feel the same way with bangs.
Like, I just, they're my comfort. Exactly.

Speaker 1 This is, I need some dark hair left over from my 90s

Speaker 1 mods. We call it a mod/slash goth

Speaker 1 phase. I wouldn't really ever commit to anything entirely except for a beer.

Speaker 1 But I need the hair. I need some darkness around me

Speaker 1 at all times. Bangs and a fucking

Speaker 1 bob.

Speaker 1 And a strong lip and a hoop earring.

Speaker 1 And a beer. And

Speaker 1 Only. Yeah.
And like, yeah, like a eyeline, like lip liner only. No lipstick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are we talking about now? I don't know.
I just kind of went that way. Hey, I finished The Simpson show.
Oh, you

Speaker 1 haven't. The New Simpsons.
And you love it? So we're talking about the O.J. Simpson Made in America document, 30 for 30 documentary.
Unbelievable. Did you watch? Did you see the crime scene photos?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 For, oh, my. Okay, so here's what they do.
They, everyone was like,

Speaker 1 episode four,

Speaker 1 hardcore crime scene photos. Like, just be prepared.
So they showed them.

Speaker 1 Or five? Four. Okay, then I'm, I think I'm halfway through four.
So I haven't seen the hardcore. So they show you, they show them.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, oh, I must be so fucking crazy and desensitized because this is nothing. It was just like, oh, and then suddenly it's a fucking up close of her neck wound.

Speaker 1 Of Nicole Simpson's, sorry, Nicole Brown's neck wound. I haven't seen that.
Like no warning. And I thought like, oh, I can, I I can see that.
Like, her sad, sad, crumpled body.

Speaker 1 His body really kind of did get to me.

Speaker 1 Ron Goldman, man. It's so sad.
I just,

Speaker 1 you know, he like, he like came upon her being attacked. It's not even like,

Speaker 1 I always thought that they were there together and OJ freaked out because he thought they were dating. Right.

Speaker 1 He wasn't even there yet when the attack on Nicole started.

Speaker 1 That was it. Did they say that in the documentary? That's like proven fact.
It's yeah, she was nightmare. She got attacked during that and fell to the ground.
And that's when he came in. Oh,

Speaker 1 and he was just bringing her mom's reading glasses that she had left at the restaurant where he laid the tables.

Speaker 1 Nightmare and nightmare for that mom.

Speaker 1 I mean, she would, I mean, oh, yeah, because to have that connection of like, oh, I needed my glasses back. And then they, yeah,

Speaker 1 totally. Oh, yeah.
That bothered me. And that I keep thinking about him.

Speaker 1 Anyway, it's not good. Yeah.
So you should finish it. I will definitely finish it.
I think it's like every time I go home after a day of work where I'm like

Speaker 1 a bit wrung out, a little tired, I just want to listen to British people. Oh,

Speaker 1 I tried it. Speaking of which, what? The tunnel?

Speaker 1 It's a reading show. I tried to watch episode two last night and I fell asleep almost immediately.

Speaker 1 And I kept closing my eyes going, now I don't know what's happening because I'm not looking because I'm not reading but I love it I was bored

Speaker 1 four minutes in four minutes I'm gonna try it again and try it some more too much reading no uh

Speaker 1 too like fucking dramatic like too dramatic like just too like

Speaker 1 you know like the cute officer is like a cheerio you can take the body and like take this murder it's all yours by and then it's like but then the body falls apart in half and spoiler alert what the body falls

Speaker 1 i mean after the first two minutes no i know you know what i mean no i think um i hear what you're saying i accept what you're saying

Speaker 1 i think it's interesting though like i like that it's like the french female cop who's of course a beautiful young French actress, but is also playing this borderline autistic,

Speaker 1 very all businessy and like kind of like, I don't care if you're making a joke. I don't care if you're being charming.

Speaker 1 I'm saying, but I'm saying, I want everyone to know I'm saying bitchy and like bitchy, like it's awesome, but it is. I don't know if it's like bitching,

Speaker 1 we like bitchy. Um, I'm gonna try it again.
Like, I pretty much 90% of the time hate every show,

Speaker 1 like the first 10 minutes. Yeah, I'm like, I hate the show, but because it's hard to get used to new things, that's true.
Speaking of new things, I have a present

Speaker 1 for you and for me

Speaker 1 from a listener.

Speaker 1 Is Is this our first listener like viewer mail? Yeah, I have a listener mail. Don't worry.
I have a P.O. box.
So if anyone wants to send us shit, you can message me.

Speaker 1 And if you're not insane and have okay, grandma, I'll give you our P.O. box number.

Speaker 1 So Caroline Abernathy sent us a present

Speaker 1 to my P.O. box.
She's a sweet baby angel. Have you already opened it? I fucking have.
And I know she already, she was like, I'm sending you this thing. And I'm like, great.
Oh, awesome.

Speaker 1 I'll tell Karen. So the first thing I thought of, it's full of live moms.
I haven't opened it. It's creepy.
Kaboom.

Speaker 1 And that's how they died.

Speaker 1 So she, so she can, she sells this in her Etsy shop.

Speaker 1 It's called her Etsy shop is Anime Gravy with a capital A. I don't know if that's necessary.
Like, you have to put that in order. Are you ready for this present?

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to put my mic down real quick. Okay.

Speaker 1 She's on, she's unscrolling a small po

Speaker 1 it's the stay sexy, don't get murdered with Elvis and the owl poster. We each have our own.
Yes. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 gorgeous. I know.
So this chick, so for new listeners, I mean, get with the program. But

Speaker 1 so we always. First of all, first of all, let us reprimand you by being for being rude.
Right. So this is amazing.
Stay sexy, don't get murdered is our catch. The thing we always say.

Speaker 1 Our catchphrase? No, it's just the thing we started saying.

Speaker 1 My catchphrase is, what are you talking about, Willis?

Speaker 1 That's right. I forgot.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And then Elvis, my cat, is holding, who's like, it looks just like him. It looks exactly like him.
And the owl, of course, is the owl theory from the staircase. Which is very funny.

Speaker 1 A lot of people have pointed out on the Facebook page. We've never really talked about that on the podcast.
It's like, you know, you and I have personally talked about and just reference. Right.

Speaker 1 We've mentioned it being a theory, but we haven't like discussed if we believe it or not. I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it.
Right. Essentially.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of people who are like, wait,

Speaker 1 it's disgusted. Yeah.
It is disgusting.

Speaker 1 This is amazing. And it's like my, it's like, look, it's the color of my walls, too.
It's like this like that's weird. Mint green that I'm obsessed with.
Beautiful. It's so cute.
This is the best.

Speaker 1 So you guys can go to Anime Gravy and you can buy it. I want to tell everyone it's just $10, but I feel like she should up the price right now.
So it's worth more than $10. It's only $25.

Speaker 1 Caroline Abernathy. Yeah.
That's really cool. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Should I read? I haven't read the note actually. Oh, let's see.
Should I read the note? Yes. Dear Karen and Georgia, I'm so happy that you like my drawing.

Speaker 1 Thanks for always making me laugh, then feel dumbed as fuck about all the murders, then smile again by asking Elvis if he wants a cookie. I've introduced multiple friends to your podcast.

Speaker 1 It's the perfect friend filter to see who's cool enough to hang out with murderinos. Yes.
You two rock so fucking hard. Stay sexy.
Don't get murdered, Caroline. Thank you.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 That's, I love it so much. That's really exciting.
I'm going to get it framed. I love it.

Speaker 1 Now, greedily, the next thing I was immediately going to say is, now I want one of those little heat, like those little pendants that say stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 We need to give her a shout out. Let me see here.
I think we did once. We totally had to.
That's the one who's named Flossie, right? Or am I, is that a.

Speaker 1 Let's, let's, hey, Stephen, will you look that up for us since you're here? Oh, you guys, this month, this week, we have a sound record, a recording engineer. Right.

Speaker 1 Remember how we had technical difficulties last week, Stephen? I'm, I'm helping us, the sound not get murdered.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Stephen Ray Morris, who you know and love from the Facebook group, is helping us because tech diffs last week.

Speaker 1 We're trying to get up. We're just trying to be professional.
You know how we, you know how we strive and aspire to be better every week.

Speaker 1 I've never felt worse about, like been more about not having a belch ready when you said that.

Speaker 1 I'm like, you know me, I'm fucking belch.

Speaker 1 Get one ready and then drop it in as a surprise at some point during the podcast. And it will.
Oh, I just remembered. So the podcast that I love that I go to sleep to called Sleep With Me Podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He gave us a shout out.
He gave me a shout out and gave my favorite murder a shout out.

Speaker 1 I was listening to it and I'm so sorry. I was fast forwarding in the beginning because he talks about like who's, oh, we have the person who.
Oh, let's see.

Speaker 1 Her name. Is it one of the, is it one of those people? Yes, it is.
Cool. But I don't know what I just touched the picture.
Should something happen? No. We don't know yet.
It's that one. Okay.
Cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're going to do it. We just have to do this step by step.
Thank you. Um,

Speaker 1 he, I was fast-forwarding through the part that I don't care about the beginning. See, everybody's a skipper in some way.
I skipped the very beginning, but not the like good stuff.

Speaker 1 So, and I heard Georgia H. And as I'm skipping, and I was like, wait a second.
And I go back. And he was like, he is just like so sweet.
He like gives everyone a shout out.

Speaker 1 So, and he said, my favorite M. dial M for like he quit on a sleep podcast.
He didn't want to say the word murder, which I love. That's sweet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you guys have insomnia, listen to the sleep with me podcast. It's at, it's my new ambient.
That's great. It's so fucking good.
That's really, oh, that's so exciting. Isn't that nice?

Speaker 1 Oh, you know what? We got a shout out and people have talked about it on the dollop.

Speaker 1 And I just wanted to give people, we already talked about how he called you Georgina Hubist.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he, he asked me for your email. So he has an email me.
Okay. I'm sure he's going to email you a long and involved apology.
I'm sure it's an apology.

Speaker 1 But if you like, the dollop is Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds, and they tell weekly,

Speaker 1 I think it's actually bi-weekly.

Speaker 1 They go over crazy historical stories from America, Australia, anywhere.

Speaker 1 And they're

Speaker 1 insane. Like, there's this one I would start with that's about bathing suits, like men's bathing suits and the why.

Speaker 1 That's, you know, the boys and men used to be required to swim naked until like the 60s. No.
I swear to God, it's the craziest story where you're like,

Speaker 1 it's like, anyway,

Speaker 1 I love fucking stupid historical, I love stupid historical facts that you just like wouldn't know. That's the dollop 100%.
Dave basically reads the story. Gareth's never heard the story before.

Speaker 1 And he doesn't know what I do. No.
Yes, exactly. And then just like Riff's thing.
It's really hilarious. It's one of my favorite podcasts.
But anyway, so they gave us a shout out.

Speaker 1 So all these people were like, oh, that's so weird. I love that podcast.
And then, so Dave told me, I said, I texted Dave and said, thank you.

Speaker 1 And then I said, is it okay if I tell them that you were my first comedy boyfriend? Because Dave Anthony and I dated in the boyfriend, boyfriend? Yeah, he was my boyfriend.

Speaker 1 He was my first real boyfriend when I lived in San Francisco. Oh my God.
And so I said, is it okay if I tell them you were my first comedy boyfriend? And then he just texted back in all caps.

Speaker 1 There were others, which was hilarious.

Speaker 1 So I think people like a little inside, the inside scoop of fun stuff because people just think that we're all like, it's, I just think it's funny that people are like, that's so weird.

Speaker 1 The my favorite podcast, the doll-up, gave a shout-out to my favorite murder. And it's like, yeah, I've known Dave for almost 30 years.

Speaker 1 Well, I feel like the comedy, the comedian people, like, you've met them all. And I, I've actually asked you before, like, hey, can I give this podcast a shout-out?

Speaker 1 Because I don't know if you hate this

Speaker 1 comedy.

Speaker 1 You might have history with this fucking person. And I'm like, definitely

Speaker 1 be pissed that I, right? So, yeah, you know, I mean, you know, everyone. Okay, we know who these keychains are made by.
They're They're metal and they're stamped with Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered.

Speaker 1 They're amazing. With a little heart at the bottom.
Yeah. Yes.
It's by Etsy seller. My Heart Has Plans.

Speaker 1 Do it. My Heart Has Plans.
So if you just, I honestly just googled Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered Etsy. And that was like the first thing.
And then the cross-stitching one that popped up. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That shit comes up. There's some good stuff on there.
We're Googleable.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back in the present. Sadly, we're Stevenless, but I love that he's here with us now.
He's here with us then. I love in the timeline of the podcast that he's joined us finally.
Me too.

Speaker 1 He was so badly needed. And

Speaker 1 if you can just picture it too, like we're still in my apartment. There's a love seat that I am just probably really

Speaker 1 offensively sprawled across. Yes, it was, I was offended constantly.
Right. And you were on the couch and then Stephen would just sit on the carpet.
It was just this like apartment carpet.

Speaker 1 And he he was just like happy as a fucking clam sitting on this carpet recording, laughing and giggling to himself.

Speaker 1 Stephen was crisscross applesauce over on the side, giggling and like basically encouraging what we were doing, which was much needed and much appreciated.

Speaker 1 He didn't even ask for a chair now that I think of it. And I didn't offer him one now that I think of it.
Look, we were

Speaker 1 going through some stuff. I think I am.
I was trying to get it done. I'm pretty sure I had like a vintage dining set that no one ever used.
I could have given him a chair, but he wanted to be.

Speaker 1 It was to his left. He could have gotten it if he wanted to.
It was a tiny apartment. There was no dining room.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I feel like he has the true soul of a podcast engineer where he's like, I'm going to be invisible and sit here and listen and then take notes and help you. Right.
I'm basically another listener.

Speaker 1 I'm just like better at it than most listeners. Yeah.
I'm first at it, kind of. So

Speaker 1 also, there was an example of steven immediately being not just useful as the sound guy but then i couldn't remember the name of that etsy creator who made a keychain he immediately finds it for us of course he does but also we get our first listener mail like a package because A listener named Carolyn Abernaffy, who has an Etsy shop called Anime Gravy, of course, sent us that classic Elvis writing an owl

Speaker 1 image with Stay Sexy and Don't Get Murdered on it. It's a beauty.
I love it to this day.

Speaker 1 It was so thrilling to see that picture when we first saw it, where it was like, oh, someone's out there listening and then making something because of what they hear. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now it's like in our hands, intangible. And I have to start paying for framing.
Yes. Oh, those were your thoughts at the time.
Well, I think I was still a thumbtack.

Speaker 1 I was still a thumbtack girl at the time. So, yes.
And her Etsy shop, Anime Gravy Art, all one word, is still open. And this poster is still available for sale.

Speaker 1 So go get yourself a classic piece of MFM merch history. And thank you, Caroline, for being a part of that history.
What a lovely experience that was very early on. Truly.

Speaker 1 Well, it's time for, I think, George's story in this episode, right? Episode 23.

Speaker 1 And it's the story about the chessboard killer.

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Speaker 1 am i first this week yeah i think i was first last week

Speaker 1 with the old sawn beans all right

Speaker 1 so as last week we talked we did a 1500s murder which we were both like that was a mistake

Speaker 1 what i liked is when i re-listened to it we just, it's just so clearly reading. It was like we were being forced to read reports in front of our class.
That's what it sounded like.

Speaker 1 We tried to have fun with it, but I mean, you know. Okay.
So we gave ourselves another, we gave ourselves an I survived theme. And I think from now on, we let's do a couple more weeks of no theme.

Speaker 1 No theme after this. But I do, I do like it.
Once again, did you get painted into a box? No, no, no. I like this one.
I think it's cool. And it's something I've never heard of.

Speaker 1 And it's creepy and fucked up. And

Speaker 1 I like it. It's for sure.
But man, I like to go wild.

Speaker 1 You just like to be yourself and decide what you want to do at the last thing.

Speaker 1 Do you? I want to do me.

Speaker 1 You're on your journey.

Speaker 1 I'm positive that my

Speaker 1 vocal fry has gotten worse since we've started this podcast. You sound a little like you're getting over a thing.
You know what's weird? I had a little throaty feeling last night.

Speaker 1 Were you getting over hanging out with me and taking my and I'm over it. And getting my vocal fry?

Speaker 1 It's catching. You know who hates vocal fries? 52-year-old single divorced dads.
Those are the only people who complain about it. Sounds like you're thinking of someone very specific.
My own.

Speaker 1 No, I guess. My dad.
Do you see? He keeps commenting on our shit. Yeah, he's totally into it, isn't he? He keeps writing like, he always writes like, you go, girl.

Speaker 1 He seriously like, I used to have a blog and I didn't tell them about it. And then I started getting posts that were like, you go, girl.
I'm like, that's my fucking dad. I know it.

Speaker 1 And then one day it was like, so how's your blog? His name's Martin, right? Marty. Marty.
Marty was like, How's your blog? I fucking knew you were you go girl. He loves you.
He's so proud of you.

Speaker 1 He's so supportive. My dad

Speaker 1 heard from, he said, Hey, there's a fireman whose daughter and all her friends listened to your murder podcast. I swear to God.
And I was like, uh-oh, I, he texted it to me. He goes, what's it called?

Speaker 1 And I said, my favorite murder. And he goes, how come you didn't tell me about it? And I go, because there's a ton of swearing and we talk about murder the whole time.

Speaker 1 And then he was like, Oh, you, or something. I was like, I hope to God my father never listens to this.
I don't care if mine does. I bought him, I bought him my favorite murder shirt.
Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 So you see an older man, a distinguished older man, walking around New Orleans with my favorite, with my favorite murder shirt on. With two cartoony girls on his shirt.
That might be Marty. Marty.

Speaker 1 Marty. He's the best.

Speaker 1 Okay. Sorry.
No. We derailed.
We could do this all day.

Speaker 1 All right, so my favorite murder, I survived edition. Sweet.
So, do you know about Alexander Pichansky? Pishunsky. Pishunshkin.

Speaker 1 Hold on a second.

Speaker 1 You know, when you like write and write and write all day, and then you never say it out loud. Yeah.
What the fuck? Oh, yeah. Should have practiced that.

Speaker 1 Pish

Speaker 1 ushkin. Pishushkin.

Speaker 1 Listen, he's Russian, okay? And they murdered my people. Pushkin? Pushkin.
No, I don't know. Pishushkin.
Pishushkin. Pushushkin.
I think I'm going to go with that. Okay.
AKA, the chessboard killer.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
The chessboard killer. He's called that because he was methodically hunting people and sought to kill one person for every space on the chessboard.

Speaker 1 I love this. I've never heard of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love this already. Russian dude, Russian serial killer.
He's also known as the Bitsa Park maniac because the Bitsa Park in Russia is where he did it.

Speaker 1 It's Moscow, Southwest Moscow, is where he did a lot of his best work. Wow.

Speaker 1 Can I do a high school brag and say I've been to Moscow? Have you? I went on a trip, like one of those packaged tours in high school. It was called Russia, Poland, and the East.

Speaker 1 Dude, I want to go on that. It was crazy amazing.
And it was 1987. So it was before the wall came down.

Speaker 1 That sounds, you think now that I look 16 because I have Botox, Botox, they'll let me pretend I'm in high school and go. Absolutely.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 That's honestly like I'm dying to go to like, I want to go to East Berlin, which I know doesn't exist anymore. But it was crazy.
It was crazy. And it, there was all this stuff because it was still,

Speaker 1 uh, was it still the Soviet Union? Is that yeah, technically? Um, so there's all this old, these old buildings that were just left over.

Speaker 1 It was almost like how I imagine Cuba probably is where it's like the great time to just leave it there, even though it's this huge empty building that no one's anymore.

Speaker 1 It was driving old, the same old car as no one had. And it's like, it was amazing.
And there was, they had tables set up. I'm totally have derailed you, but I'm one last thing about this.

Speaker 1 They had tables set up in the street. And you would go up and you would give them, you know, three rubles or whatever.
It was like so cheap.

Speaker 1 And then you had, you would just pick up a little pre-poured glass of warm Coke and just drink a little, like probably three fingers of Coke and then give them the glass back.

Speaker 1 And they would take it and sterilize it and then pour more Coke in the glass. And it was like a little

Speaker 1 card table that was set up. It's like when you're running a marathon, except when they hand you Coke and you pay for it.
So you just stop and have a couple sips of Coke. That is so weird.

Speaker 1 And they also had vodka vending machines. Better.
I would do that one instead. Yeah.
We drank a lot of vodka. We were all allowed to drink because the drinking age over there was like 16.
It was nuts.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so that sounds incredible. I would kill to go on a grocery store.
Like, I'm obsessed with

Speaker 1 authentic grocery stores. I would go to that grocery store so hard.
Their grocery stores were very sparsely because it's like, this is the toothpaste. There's not a bunch of brands.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is toothpaste. Yeah.
Which I'm kind of like, let's do that now.

Speaker 1 No, wait. No, I'm not a communist or a socialist.
No, you're definitely not a socialist, but you are a Bernie bro. Right.
And I'm sick of it. Overwhelmed.
That is not true.

Speaker 1 I just want everyone to know that's not true. I'm actually a Republican.
I'm actually a Trumpster. Is that what they call themselves? Yes, Trumpsters.

Speaker 1 Sorry, okay, go ahead. No, I don't even.
Just, I'm what I'm saying is ask me anything about Russia.

Speaker 1 Why did you kill my people?

Speaker 1 Uh, so Peshishkin,

Speaker 1 he committed his first murder in 1992. He was a student, college or high school.
I don't care. Um,

Speaker 1 so he was motivated, motivated in part by a macabre competition with like the better known Russian serial killer Andre Chikaktilo. Yes.
Who's like the creepiest creep, kind of hot creep.

Speaker 1 No, he's not hot.

Speaker 1 He's like older dude hot. No, he's in no way hot.
A little bit older dude hot. Doesn't he have a dent in his head?

Speaker 1 Oh no, I'm into that. Oh, okay.
Sorry. I just like have a thing.
Yeah, you're right. That's very judgmental.
Dent in the head. Who am I to say?

Speaker 1 Oh, I feel dirty. So wait, sorry.
He didn't know him. He was just like, he knew what what he did and was competing with the people.
Yeah, he was like,

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is like, find someone else to compete with. Like, find an Olympic athlete.
Although Chikatilla was kind of the Olympic athlete of serial killers.

Speaker 1 I wonder if this Alexander Pishushkin is pissed that he actually didn't beat him. You know, he is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 Andre was convicted in 92 of killing 53 children and young women over a 12-year period. So this guy was like, I'm going to do 64 for a chessboard.
Quick question, 64 on a chessboard? Correct? Yes.

Speaker 1 Let's just go with it.

Speaker 1 So, okay, here's. Correct.
Moving on. Here's a regular fact on my favorite murder.
His mom says that the beginning of his downfall and becoming a crazy person was when he was

Speaker 1 hit on the head.

Speaker 1 Send him back. Ding dong.
Yeah, he was hit on the head by a swing at age four.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, unless the swing was made of cinder blocks that's but that's what happened to richard red uh richard ramirez he got hit in the head with a swing like exactly

Speaker 1 yes they're made of like rubber it's enough you know i think like in the 70s 80s do concussions affect children more than they do adults probably i mean like you're a doctor right yes please ask me anything i love lying you're a russian doctor i think we've established that i loved bullshit so uh the answer there is,

Speaker 1 if you act like you're right, you're technically right. Yeah, and except until I tell on myself the next episode.
Right.

Speaker 1 And apologize.

Speaker 1 So he, so this

Speaker 1 pishishkin lured his victims. He mostly was into elderly homeless men, not in a sexual way.
He's, he would say to them in this park, hey, do you guys want to get shit-faced on vodka?

Speaker 1 I'm paraphrasing here.

Speaker 1 And he would say, like, let's go to the grave of my beloved dog that's like deep in the park. And he was actually not, he was actually really loved animals.

Speaker 1 He was never, and he got hit in the head, but he didn't kill animals. Okay.

Speaker 1 Then they would go out there and be drinking and he would attack them with a hammer. Oh.

Speaker 1 Man, that's

Speaker 1 just the.

Speaker 1 That would hurt a lot. Just the like.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That became his trademark.

Speaker 1 And then he would, oh, no, this became his trademark. He would do that.
And then he would push a vodka bottle into the gaping wounds of their skulls. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 It's like when you make a watermelon vodka thing. What is that? You know what I'm talking about? When you like poke a hole in a watermelon and then empty a bottle of vodka in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was kind of trying to do one of those. Fourth of July.
Maybe he was a frat boy. Oh, just tickling that brain.
Lost it a little bit in the park.

Speaker 1 Russian frat boys are different than they are here. Oh, yeah.
I'd rather have a frat boy from here than a Russian frat boy. I don't know.
I don't want to choose.

Speaker 1 I choose not.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that was a choice. Otherwise, I still would have chosen Americans.

Speaker 1 Most of his victims were elderly men, but he did kill three women and one child.

Speaker 1 The body of one of the women was, I don't. Do you want to know how that there were tiny stakes hammered into her skull and around her eyes or no? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah. Stakes?

Speaker 1 Tiny stakes.

Speaker 1 Like, like, not like group, like pitching a tent. Yeah.
Using oh, not like om yum yam steaks. steaks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, he said once, for me, life without murder is like life without food for you.

Speaker 1 I felt like the father of all these people since it was me who opened the door for them into another world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not true. They're like, I prefer Marty.
I prefer my actual dad, but thanks.

Speaker 1 Dads aren't supposed to be like that, really.

Speaker 1 So, okay, so here, let's get to the survivor. All right.
Yes. Fucking badass bitch.
Her name was Maria Viracheva.

Speaker 1 Viracheva. She was 19 and three months pregnant, which already you're like, come on.

Speaker 1 Like, let me get through this. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 pregnant. And her, the, the man, she was, her boyfriend was a friend of this killer.
Oh. She's like, date someone else, find better friends.
She met him. She ran into him at work.

Speaker 1 She and her boyfriend had just gotten into a huge fight. And so she was pissed off, like hanging out near the metro station.

Speaker 1 And he saw her and was like, Uh, and he had been hunting for a victim, and this is in February of 2002.

Speaker 1 I should have started with that, yeah. So he said that most of his male victims, he he was able to get them away with alcohol, was the thing that that they, um,

Speaker 1 that the reason they would go with him. But for women, he said, quote, women always need to have a financial interest.

Speaker 1 Fuck you,

Speaker 1 you don't know me, man. I like vodka.
I know. I don't need your fucking.
I like dead pets, graves. Yeah.
Stupid. I'll cheers over that.
Dick.

Speaker 1 So he says to her that he has several boxes of brand new contraband cameras. Oh, yeah.
Stashed inside the car.

Speaker 1 Women always love cameras. That's really true.
If there's some kind of deal going, like a sales deal where they're like, oh, I have this thing, I'm going to cut you in on it. Just say no.

Speaker 1 Even if it's true, you're still probably going to get arrested. There's, you have to pay for things that you want in this life.
Right. When you try to sidestep that fact,

Speaker 1 you're, you're, you mess with the wrong people. You end up in the forest at a dog's grave, what have you, and then with a vodka bottle in your head.
Free money isn't free. Like, just, just go without.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 get a job.

Speaker 1 Buy your own shit.

Speaker 1 Stay out of the forest. It's never going to be chill.

Speaker 1 That's going to be the quote. Get a job.
What was it? Get a job. Anytime we list anything in threes,

Speaker 1 we want you to put it on a poster. There was another one.
Shit, Karen is full of quotes tonight. I'm full of beans.

Speaker 1 Sonny beans.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Okay.
We've got to get through this.

Speaker 1 So, all right. So here's what he does.
He's like, here's some cameras in here. Come on in with me.
And she's like, okay, fuck, don't do that. Cause she was pissed at her boyfriend, you know.

Speaker 1 It's a great way to rebel. I've done some stupid shit when I'm like pissed at my boyfriend.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he takes her over to where he says he left the camera, which is this well, this like brick well into the like forest ground.

Speaker 1 And he lifts the manhole cover off and he's like, hey, take a look inside, dude.

Speaker 1 And she approaches. He grabs her and shoves her into the well.

Speaker 1 And she's trying to grasp the edges of the rim of the well.

Speaker 1 And he grabs her by the hair and just like starts smacking her head against the cell, the concrete walls, which is so weird that he like didn't even kill her before.

Speaker 1 It was like almost this fun toying with her her thing. But she let herself fall.
She said, I realized that he would kill me like this, so I let go. It's like, which side is better, up or down? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he yells to her, take a bath there. I couldn't come up with something better.
Yeah, that's not funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She said, My head hurt terribly, but I wanted to live.

Speaker 1 So after falling about 30 feet,

Speaker 1 she Maria lands in a sewage pipe about a foot in diameter with the stream running through about three feet high. So it's like the sewage line.

Speaker 1 And I might have gotten some of those numbers wrong because, guess what? They were like in meters and shit. And I tried to change them.
And I, yeah, because I was like, how do you land in a?

Speaker 1 But basically, she, it's down a well and then a slightly smaller thing. Down a well, it's tight, she falls 30 feet about.
It's a tight little area. Okay.

Speaker 1 And she's in, like, let's, I don't know, it seemed like, it seemed like waist-high, rushing sewage water, rushing. And it's trying to get her into this like pipe, into this other part of the

Speaker 1 sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in. Luckily, she fucking puts her hands to the side and stops herself from going down that pipe.
Okay. She removes her jacket and boots real quick.

Speaker 1 Man, this girl is smart.

Speaker 1 She was able to plant her feet and hands on the side of the pipe to stop from being swept away by a shit storm.

Speaker 1 So gross. I know, man.

Speaker 1 Like, what a bad day.

Speaker 1 So she finds another well. Like, she, I guess she goes through, but it sounds like she was in there for hours and eventually finds an iron ladder running up to this, running up the side.
She goes up.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Say it. Like, someone had shot an iron ladder.
Sorry. Wait, what?

Speaker 1 She's in a sewage thing and then an iron ladder floats by.

Speaker 1 Someone had shot it. Don't make me say it twice.
It's a terrible joke. I didn't get it.

Speaker 1 No, no, like she finds it up the wall. It's like in the wall.

Speaker 1 She's like, ladder.

Speaker 1 It's not shoots and ladders. We have to edit that part out.
No, one of them. It's the worst joke I've ever said.
And I had to say it too. Stephen, don't take that note.
This stays in.

Speaker 1 I've edited out some shit for you before. This is not going to be one of them.

Speaker 1 I will just take all the edits I've done for you and put them into one episode and post them. Can you imagine? That's actually

Speaker 1 a genius idea. Because it won't make any sense because contextually.
Just random, terrible edits

Speaker 1 of all the stuff we've seen. Me saying someone shat an iron ladder.
Okay, please continue.

Speaker 1 So she finds this ladder up the wall.

Speaker 1 Not from someone's balance. I know.
I'm kidding. I love it.
I love it. I love it.
That's why you're a comedian.

Speaker 1 Climbs up it and she's like, well, shit, this is like an 80-something pound manhole cover. She can't get it open.
She's so close.

Speaker 1 And then she opens it a tiny bit and sees a woman running from it, like leaving. And she's like, Well,

Speaker 1 that was my last chance. She's exhausted from crawling for hours through all the gross fucking sewage.
She's like, This is it. I'm dead.

Speaker 1 But it turns out the woman had heard her screams and heard the manhole cover lift a little, or saw the manhole cover lift a little bit and like fucking ran for

Speaker 1 help to lift this manhole cover.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 she was taken to the hospital. She and her kids survived.
Man, I bet, like, what is that kid's life like today? Well, they could maybe, they may have been somehow inoculated by being in all that shit.

Speaker 1 So they're like superhuman, never gets sick. Yeah, they're like, Marvel's like, how do we tell this

Speaker 1 like story of a superhero? Well,

Speaker 1 well, let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 1 So she survives.

Speaker 1 Okay, here's the worst part. Not something.
Well, here's another bad part. She's reporting the incident to the police.

Speaker 1 And somehow, I've heard, I've read a couple different reasons. The police were like, nope.

Speaker 1 And like ended up making her sign something saying that she herself had accidentally fell into the well and that he had nothing to do with it. What? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Either because she didn't have the correct papers, like citizen papers, or the cop was bored. It's like, for some reason.

Speaker 1 They were like, no, we're not going to pursue this. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he went on to claim dozens dozens of lives after that. Oh, no.
Yeah. So right now, there's a criminal investigation going into the cop who, you know, okayed that.
I'm sure nothing will happen.

Speaker 1 He has two other survivors. One was a 14-year-old homeless boy who also got thrown down a well in March 2002.
He again said he tried to tell the police, but they wouldn't listen to a homeless boy.

Speaker 1 How are you 14 and homeless, Russia? Oh, because that place is

Speaker 1 terrible. It's all like, it's either the super rich or the insanely poor.
Yeah. Um,

Speaker 1 but I, but that also happened in Shikatello when I saw that there was like a made-for-TV movie where Stephen Ray played the cop that was investigating him.

Speaker 1 And when they got to the, when they realized he had been murdering all these people, they were like, you won't, you won't arrest him.

Speaker 1 Like, it was as if like the Russian authorities were like, we're not admitting that we have this problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think that is a way that they dictate the cops have to do stuff sure if like some woman had been especially because she knew him too because she could be like it was this dude yeah it's like they're saying like we're not that's not going to be a problem that we're having and from what a couple of the accounts i read he like came over to hang out with her boyfriend after that like she had to see him no what he said something like uh hey you want to go for another walk like he taunted her That's crazy.

Speaker 1 I know, but it's also weird to have a habit of pushing people down wells. Totally.
That's really weird. That is weird.
It's usually like you know, they're into the murder part.

Speaker 1 Well, it's weird that he went from hitting someone on the head with a hammer, and in addition to that, he liked pushing people down a well. Yeah, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 Like, you should do one, then you should do one and then the other. Yeah, pick an MO, get your style going, yeah, and then like with the checker or checkers with the chess.

Speaker 1 Like, come on, man, pick one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, so

Speaker 1 the murder of Marina

Speaker 1 Moskeva, Melina Moskelyova in 36, who was 36 in the spring of 2006 was his last murder.

Speaker 1 They actually found her body with a metro ticket in it, with his trademark injuries, and they found a video of him and her from the metro station walking together. Oh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they caught him. He was arrested June 2006, convicted

Speaker 1 of 49 murders and three attempted murders. And it seems like he was, he asked to be convicted for 60 murders.
Wow. She's like, fuck off.

Speaker 1 Because he wanted credit for all that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He got life in prison with the first 15 years to be spent in solitary confinement.
So I'm sure. Jesus Christ.
He's going to be. 15 years?

Speaker 1 You can't do that.

Speaker 1 Where are we? Russia.

Speaker 1 You nutty place. 15 years in solitary confinement.

Speaker 1 Is there even a reason for that? Or it's just punishment. It's like, we can't give you the death penalty.
So we're just going to do this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess so. Oh, yeah.
Why not kill him? 15 years? That's awful.

Speaker 1 Did you hear recently in California, they passed a law that juveniles can't get more than like two hours of solitary confinement, which I think is,

Speaker 1 I almost cried when I heard that because it's such an obvious,

Speaker 1 it's so, it's such an obvious. smart thing to do.
Yeah, it makes you think what's happened that made them pass the law. It's horrifying.
yeah

Speaker 1 okay so and he and pashushkin has said that he would have continued killing indefinitely if he hadn't been stopped i believe it yeah he's a fucking weirdo yeah i just want to give fucking a shout out to maria for being such an incredible badass you know what here's the smartest thing she did yeah if you're ever in water take off anything heavy that you're wearing jacket boots clothes like that interesting that's what drags you down really And makes you tired when you have to tread water.

Speaker 1 It makes you super tired. Like anything like that, boots or anything, pants, take it off.
Very interesting. I'd never thought about that.

Speaker 1 That's very smart of her. Very, yeah.
Especially when you're in shit water. She's just like, how can you concentrate on that?

Speaker 1 Maria Vera Chevia, which like you don't find a lot of stuff when you Google her at all. Right.
Him, it's like the same shit over and over again.

Speaker 1 He's gross. There's photos of him.
He's a creep. He's not hot like Chikatillo.

Speaker 1 I like him dungeon.

Speaker 1 Physically and emotionally dungeon. In that now.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back.

Speaker 1 Here's what's crazy. Yeah.
This is the first episode where I say stay out of the forest. The whole chunk of the saying that I say because of this story you tell me that is so awful.
I know.

Speaker 1 Just this one, you know, they all do in their different ways. This one sticks in my mind just for the sheer brutality of it and the fact that there was a survivor.
Like,

Speaker 1 she survived this monster. It's just incredible.
And he continued to kill. Like the amount of time it took for him to finally get arrested and put in prison is just absurd and bananas.

Speaker 1 Just so hard to like listen to. Okay.
And also I have some updates. Oh, yeah.
Specifically on Maria Viricheva.

Speaker 1 In the original episode, we wondered why Maria claimed she accidentally fell into the well instead of that he attacked her.

Speaker 1 And now we know that the police officer who took her statement promised to tell her boyfriend that she was safe and to bring her clean clothes, but only if she agreed to say it was an accident. Why?

Speaker 1 And that officer was later jailed for incompetence, which is fucking nice to hear.

Speaker 1 Senior investigator Andrei Supernenko said, quote, his only motive was, I do not want to work. That's all.
He did not need to search for anyone or prove anything.

Speaker 1 If only he had worked out properly then, the killer would have been detained.

Speaker 1 We would then not have seen more than half the corpses.

Speaker 1 So just like we were talking about, it's because of this one officer's incompetence and laziness. Horrible.
And then, yeah, again, also, Maria didn't have proper documents to live in Moscow.

Speaker 1 And so she feared the consequences from that. And that's also part of why she didn't press charges or, you know, move forward and really try to take that case to the next level.

Speaker 1 But in 2006, Maria bravely testified against Pacuskin, even facing him directly as part of the police investigation. So good for her.
She finally got her justice.

Speaker 1 And she gave birth to a healthy baby, but was forced to give the child up for adoption. So this poor girl.

Speaker 1 And as I said in the episode, Pacushkin was sentenced to life in prison with the first 15 years in solitary confinement.

Speaker 1 And as of 2017, he's been serving time in a Russian correctional facility way up beyond the Arctic Circle known as the Polar Owl. Oh, it's very Hogwarts.
Yeah, but I bet it's not.

Speaker 1 Also, since this is the phrase that pays, this was merch back then. We are relaunching the original merch.

Speaker 1 So if you want a t-shirt or a very cozy hoodie that says, get a job, buy your own shit, stay out of the forest, you can do that now. It's the artwork that our friend Kat Solon made.

Speaker 1 Well, and you can go to myfavorite murder.com to get it. Okay, so let's listen to Karen's survivor story.
This is the harrowing tale of Sarah Brady.

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Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 mine this week is once again me retelling you an episode, my favorite episode of I Survived. I'm so excited.
My favorite crime show. If you're new to this podcast, high welcome.

Speaker 1 My favorite crime show. Can you rate them again?

Speaker 1 You can.

Speaker 1 Of all, I would say, is I Survived because it's a beautifully produced,

Speaker 1 it's television well-made.

Speaker 1 It's one-on-one interviews where people speak slightly off-camera, purely telling their story of survival with no reenactment, no cheesy actors, no, no shots of anything, just the story, which is 1,000 times scarier and more upsetting than if you were cutting away to some dumb, like that show made me realize those cutaways in other like first-hand story shows just deaden the effect.

Speaker 1 Yeah. A person is sitting there telling you what happened to them.
Face to, face to camera. There's no scarier, no realer.
I mean, that's it. Honestly, I don't.
There's a helicopter.

Speaker 1 Just a light invasion. Listen, we're in Hollywood.
Murder.

Speaker 1 Murder cap. I don't, I hate reenactments.
They just take you out of it. They're corny.
Yeah. They're not, you cannot, you can't reenact the actual violence of what took place.

Speaker 1 And I mean, there's just, I don't like it. And sometimes on some shows, they're so gratuitous.
There's like an extra sound effect and the girl's always in a bra. We were like, really?

Speaker 1 So couldn't we say the exception is a crime to remember? We love a crime to remember. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that that those reenactments are perfectly done. They're gorgeous.
Yeah. They're gorgeous.
So, and I survived back to my favorite show.

Speaker 1 Well, I should say, one of my favorite shows, but it's all these stories I remember because they're so perfectly told. So, this one I loved because I love the girl that tells the story.

Speaker 1 It happened to her, and her name is Sarah Brady.

Speaker 1 And this happened when she was 26 years old and nine months pregnant.

Speaker 1 She had pregnant women. She was, yeah, that's right.
Oh my God, weird.

Speaker 1 And Sarah was apparently overdue. So she was like waiting to have this baby any moment.
Fuck. Can you imagine like her? Everything is swollen.
Everything's hard. You're doing everything for two.

Speaker 1 So here's what happens. She's registered at Baby's RS.

Speaker 1 And she gets a call one day from a woman who says her name is Sarah Brody. What year is this? This is 2004.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So she gets a call. A woman says, my name's Sarah Brody.
And I got one of your,

Speaker 1 we're both registered, I guess, at Babies R Us because I got one of your packages. So similar names.
Yes. Shit, man.
And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy. I'll come and get it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You, you live on my way to work, whatever. So they make this plan.
She goes and she picks up the package. She goes into the woman's apartment.
This woman lives in a basement apartment.

Speaker 1 She said it was a completely fine exchange. They talked a little bit about how they were both nervous to be mothers.

Speaker 1 They just talked about, you know, whatever. And

Speaker 1 we'll call her our Sarah, the good Sarah, says that she just got the impression this girl was very young and she seemed kind of alone.

Speaker 1 So she had a kind of a warmth toward her because she was like, oh, you know, and we have kind of the same name. And they're basically seemed like they were going to have babies right at the same time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, uh,

Speaker 1 thanks. See you later.
Great. Takes the package, goes home.
So a couple days later, uh, there's another phone call, and it's her again going, I got another package for you.

Speaker 1 And so, when she gets off the phone, she is, uh, I think she's having the baby with her boyfriend. They're engaged to be married.
So, her fiancé or boyfriend's brother is there at their house.

Speaker 1 And she goes, That girl got another package for me. I have to go get it.
And the brother goes, That's weird. I don't, I have a bad feeling about this.
Don't go. Holy shit, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she goes, No, no, no, you don't understand. I already met her, saw her face to face.
She's totally normal and fine. Do you you think he is a murderino?

Speaker 1 Ooh, he could be. I don't think a normal person, like every situation I'm in, I'm like, is that going to be a murdery situation? Right.

Speaker 1 He had his vibe out, kind of because he was like, I don't like the sound of this, basically, said to her. And she was like, don't be crazy.

Speaker 1 A murderino, by the way, is just basically someone like us that we, that someone on Facebook coined is obsessed with murder. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Is that, was that for the first time person that you attacked earlier? I'm just trying to be nice to them at this point because they're like, you know, they don't like me. They're like not on my side.

Speaker 1 They're not voting for my murder. We vote on this podcast, by the way.
We vote at the end of it to see who won. Yeah.
Oh, God. I hope not.

Speaker 1 So anyway, she's like, don't be crazy. So the next day she goes back over there.

Speaker 1 Well, this time she says it's a little, the feeling is a little bit different. Just a little, there's a little tension in there.

Speaker 1 So she's like, great, you know, here's the package. And she's like, I want you to come back here and come and look at this thing.
And she's like, I really really have to go.

Speaker 1 I have to, I have to pick up my son from school. I have things I have to do.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 she,

Speaker 1 it was like, she basically kept trying to continue the conversation a little longer than Sarah felt comfortable. You know, it was all that kind of vibe.

Speaker 1 And she said, but she just was trying to be polite. So she wanted to leave.
You guys never be nice. Yeah.
She wanted to leave, but she was kept erring on the side of politeness.

Speaker 1 So at one point, she was like, she wanted to show her the nursery. She wanted to, da, da, da.
And then, but finally, Sarah was like, Look, I have to pick up my son from school, I have to go.

Speaker 1 And then she went into labor pains, like she said, she was having labor pains. Good Sarah, bad Sarah.
Bad Sarah says she's having labor pains. So she starts screaming like a lunatic.

Speaker 1 And good, and she pulls good Sarah into the bathroom.

Speaker 1 And that is,

Speaker 1 that is when Sarah said, she looked at her face, and her face was the face of a completely different person. Like it was crazy, wild eyes, super scary.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, like a light switch, she stopped screaming and said, Oh, I guess that's over.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 our Sarah is super weirded out and is like, All right, I, I, if you're okay, I have to go. And she's like, Yeah, yeah, just hold on one second.
I just need to go get this thing.

Speaker 1 So she goes back into the back of the apartment. Bad Sarah does.
Good Sarah's coming out. She looks, she kind of like looks into a room and she said there was a People magazine cover

Speaker 1 that was was framed, and whoever the celebrity was in the picture,

Speaker 1 she had scratched their face out.

Speaker 1 And so she was like, All of a sudden, I was like, This is wrong. This is bad news.
She had framed a photo of a celebrity that she had scratched their face out. Yes.
I can't remember here.

Speaker 1 Just quick side note: you can't watch. I survived unless you sign up through your cable,

Speaker 1 uh, cable subscription, like to watch it on Lifetime because they're on lifetime now. And I tried to do it like 20 times so I could just get the word for word of this middle part of the story.

Speaker 1 It's better when you tell it, okay, good. But, well, but I just wanted to get this detail of like, cause I think she said it was either Sarah Jessica Parker or like she says, It's gotta be Brangelina.

Speaker 1 Let's say Brangelina and the Angelina part of it is fucking scratched. You can get the details if you watch.
It's season two, episode 10. I just couldn't access it through my laptop.
Anyhow,

Speaker 1 she's got the bad chills. She's freaking out.
So she's like, I got to get out of here.

Speaker 1 She also then sees some paperwork with the name, like a bill or something with the name Katie Smith on it. So she's like, this isn't good.
Oh, no. So she goes and she's like, I really have to leave.

Speaker 1 And don't say that. Just fucking go.
Sarah says, okay, but can I take, can I get a hug?

Speaker 1 And of course, she wants to say no, but she feels like she has to say yes. Don't let people touch you.
For some strange reason. Don't let people touch you if you're not comfortable with it.

Speaker 1 She goes in for the hug. And when they come out of the hug, bad Sarah raises up a huge kitchen knife and tries to stab her.

Speaker 1 Our Sarah puts her hand up,

Speaker 1 blocks it, and grabs the knife. Oh my God, my God.
No, this is going to be. No, I just scared the shit out of Mimi.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Uh-huh.
Has to grab the knife. No.

Speaker 1 Knocks it away. The knife goes onto the ground.

Speaker 1 Our Sarah grabs the door, runs out, runs up the stairs, is screaming and running in this apartment building, gets to the front door of the apartment building,

Speaker 1 grabs it, tries to unlock it. Bad Sarah is right behind her, grabs her by the hair,

Speaker 1 drags her, screaming, kicking and screaming, back downstairs, back down to the basement apartment. Oh my God, this is.
No one in the apartment building hears or comes out or does anything. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 She gets dragged back into the apartment. I don't think I can deal with this one.

Speaker 1 You got to hang in here with me. Okay.
Because remember the name of the show? I know. I survived.

Speaker 1 Okay. Sarah's the one telling us this story.
She gets pulled back into the apartment.

Speaker 1 Oh, also, the first, this reminds me, the first time she went there, when she walked in the front, the door, the first time, when she was like, it was fine, no big deal.

Speaker 1 She did remember, oh, yeah, she did lock the door after me when I walked in. I do that, though.
You do.

Speaker 1 All right. So maybe we want to hold that one against her.
Still, I forget why that would be creepy. I know it's just.
I do that for friends, not for people I don't know. And also they live in

Speaker 1 Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, a tiny town, apparently. Okay.
According to what I read. Yeah.
So it's not, it's, you know, it's not. And then I gave out my address.
But, but, so, so she pulls her back in.

Speaker 1 And now they're, now she knows she's in a fight for her life. So she's like, I got to protect my baby and I got to stay alive.
So they start wrestling and they go over the couch.

Speaker 1 They hit the coffee table. They're wrestling, wrestling, hitting each other, the whole thing.
And finally, good Sarah grabs the knife, stabs her three times. Holy shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because this girl is trying to stab her to death. I thought this was going to be a takes the baby case.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 Sarah staggers upstairs.

Speaker 1 covered in blood with her own good sarah with her own her hands are completely slashed oh god oh god oh god She gets outside and like gets across the street and is like laying on the sidewalk or the, you know, the ditch or whatever.

Speaker 1 She got as far away as she could, and then she basically was out. The cops show up and find her there.

Speaker 1 Then they go down to the basement apartment and find this girl whose real name is Katie Smith dead.

Speaker 1 So they're holding

Speaker 1 Sarah Brady. Sure.
Our Sarah. Yeah.
Holding her. You just murdered this girl, this friend of yours.
They were saying. and she's like, No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 So, and they're like, You just murdered a pregnant woman. So, well, they go in and they search her apartment.

Speaker 1 She is not really pregnant. No, it was a false belly.
Of course, she's never been pregnant. She's 22 years old.
She's got the full nursery set up. She's got all the stuff.

Speaker 1 But then in another room, she's got all kinds of OBGYN equipment. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 uh including uh sorry including

Speaker 1 oh, and they uncovered an obstetrics kit, obstetrics kit equipped with gloves and surgical scissors in Smith's apartment. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 And they finally put it together that Katie Smith was planning on stabbing Sarah Brady and cutting her fetus out of her body. So this is how I thought it was going to end and I wanted to cry.

Speaker 1 That's what she was intending to do. She had, this girl, Katie Smith, had told everyone in her family and all her neighbors that she was pregnant with twins.

Speaker 1 She was showing people a sonogram of twins. She had everybody convinced.
And now she, like, now she was at the quote-unquote nine-month period

Speaker 1 and she had to get a baby. And apparently, this girl, this, the bad Katie was obsessed with pregnancy from her teenage years.

Speaker 1 So this had been, she had been a little off or whatever, and always had a thing about wanting babies and having babies and this whole thing.

Speaker 1 So Sarah Brady, the cops bring her in, and once they discover all this other stuff, they're like, oh, she was trying to kill you. And she's like, yeah, that's what I was telling you.

Speaker 1 Like, we're not friends. I don't know that girl.
Yeah, this wasn't something of two pregnant women who were pissed at each other.

Speaker 1 This woman tried to kill me. And so even though she got brought in and questioned, she was cleared of all.
She was never charged with anything. She was cleared of all suspicion.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nine months pregnant and she fucking beat the shit. And she fucking survived.

Speaker 1 And then they show, this is why I love her is because, first of all, when you watch this episode of I Survived, she's like every girl you went to high school with. Really?

Speaker 1 She is, she's like exactly how you picture her. She's just cute and young.
And she tells the story like, then she tried to stab me. Like you, it's like a normal human being.

Speaker 1 She's the, she's, it's just like you know her. I totally feel like I've met her before.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they show a picture of her with her little daughter, the baby that she has, who's completely happy and healthy. And her whole thing is like, this had to happen.

Speaker 1 I now know what I'm made of. I'm like, this is what motherhood does.
This is the power of women. There was no way I was going to let her hurt my child.

Speaker 1 And it is the most, you just adore her at the end of this episode. And she, and she says, like, I wish that that girl wasn't so sick, but I did what I had to do.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, got therapy or whatever, but I, this is what I had to do. I wouldn't have done it if she, you know, hadn't attacked me.

Speaker 1 I just got butterflies in my womb for like the first time in like years. Yeah.
That's the power of motherhood. That's the power of my storytelling on your motherhood.
That, Karen, can I say?

Speaker 1 That was a fucking great storytelling. Did you like that one? Like, you

Speaker 1 put, that was a good one. That was one of the best storytellings.
that we've had of my life. No.

Speaker 1 No, you've done better than that.

Speaker 1 I can't recommend I survived enough because

Speaker 1 our stories become your stories. No, I'm watching it now.
I've told that one a bunch of times. That is crazy.
It's my favorite. It's my favorite.
She was also on Oprah, this girl. No.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What can, oh my God, tell me about, is it the brother-in-law? Uh-huh. I want to know.
He just got to the cop station. I was like, tell you so.
I fucking told you, Sarah. What did I say?

Speaker 1 Just screaming that into her face.

Speaker 1 You fucking idiot. She's crying with her hands all bandaged.
What? How bad would he have felt if she had actually gotten killed or whatever? Oh my God. I told her so.

Speaker 1 But also, it's like, that's the thing is he said, I have a bad feeling. Just let us go over there with you.
And she was like, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 That's another thing is like, if somebody else just says, well, I'll just go with you. Yeah.
What's the harm? That's the big deal. Let them go with you.

Speaker 1 Let's not, let's all make a pact, everyone listening, to not go in anyone's house that we don't know ever. Even if it seems innocent.
Really? Like a party or something?

Speaker 1 What you're saying is always take a buddy. Always take a buddy.
Always take a buddy. Like, oh, come over.
Like, come in. I have a, you know, let me grab the letter that I was going to.
Right. No.

Speaker 1 No one has a letter for you. No, that's a lie.
Say you have allergies. Just say, oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm really sick. You can throw out any kind of period reference.
People will let you get out of anything.

Speaker 1 Like the 1700s, the 18th, any period at all. Oh my God, I'm so scene era.
No, I love a good time.

Speaker 1 My mom used to do a thing where she's like, you can blame it on me. If you don't want to do like this thing, just say your mom won't let you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Karen and Georgia right now are telling you you can blame it on mom or your mom. Or us.
Yeah. Say my friend Karen will get really mad.
Yeah. And it's probably true because I have a serious temper.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry if I come to that thing with you, my friend Karen, and just point over your, over your shoulder with your thumb, like I'm nearby. Like a vague point, yeah, vague reference to you.

Speaker 1 Sorry, my friend Karen won't let me. Yeah.
Karen's in the car. yeah but you could just be listening to the podcast karen's in the car that's right

Speaker 1 we're always with you and we're always mad about something

Speaker 1 oh that was so good tell me her name again sarah brady sarah brady

Speaker 1 from williams kentucky

Speaker 1 don't with sarah brady don't with any any of her type no

Speaker 1 yeah no It's good stuff.

Speaker 1 I mean, you got to watch that episode because the way she tells the story of fighting this girl off is nuts.

Speaker 1 She looks like, she looks like the girl that would sit next to you in homeroom telling a story about fighting off a knife attack.

Speaker 1 And it's almost like you think of yourself as like, I have black hair and I would kick this person's ass. And then it's like, nope, it's the little fucking tiny cute one.

Speaker 1 It's always the little tiny cute one. It's those, it's the ones you don't expect.
Yeah. Well, also, imagine like a huge kitchen knife, somebody even jokingly raising it up above your head.

Speaker 1 You'd just be like, what is happening? Yeah. I certainly wouldn't catch it with my hands.

Speaker 1 I really, I have a harder time with that than it's so awful. That is lots of those stories.
Oh my god. I really have an issue.

Speaker 1 I really can't. It's gross.
Even

Speaker 1 defensive wounds, man. Horrible.

Speaker 1 Do you want to hear

Speaker 1 a hometowner? A hometowner? Yes. I got one cute.

Speaker 1 All right. You know, so some, I'm not going to say this because some people are going to send it to me.
There's a different email address. Some people send it to me.

Speaker 1 And and then I know you haven't read it. So sometimes I'll read it, but I don't want people sending it to my email address because it's a lot.
Yeah. Because I have anxiety and stress.
Okay.

Speaker 1 There's plenty of ways to get a hold of us, like at myfavorite murder at gmail.com. Yeah, we should say that.
My favorite murderer at gmail. Yeah.
Send your hometown murders there. Totally.

Speaker 1 So many good ones. All right.
So this is from Paula. I was 10 years old and it was 1990.
Hey, we're the same age. Hey, hi.
My brother was graduating from Hickman County High School that year.

Speaker 1 Hickman County is a rural Tennessee town where maybe someone shoots up the trailer park because someone cheats. And then it says, in parentheses, maybe it was my cousin's husband.

Speaker 1 What's her name again? Paula. Paula.
But in the spring of 1990, the high school was still conducting a type of pre-graduation religious ceremony called

Speaker 1 baccalaureate. Baccalaureate.
Do you know what that is? We had that too, yeah. Oh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I barely graduated high school. No, that's a Catholic thing.
Okay.

Speaker 1 It was supposed to be held on Sunday afternoon after church with the graduates, usually around 150 kids and their immediate families in attendance. While all of us were at church that morning,

Speaker 1 the school science teacher was turning the school into one giant bomb that would have went off during the ceremony. The school assistant principal, Mr.

Speaker 1 Ron motherfucking Wallace, that's the motherfucking is for me, because Mr. Ron Wallace had a daughter that was graduating.
So he came in early to make sure everything would run smoothly.

Speaker 1 He apparently startled the science teacher, Donald Givens, was his name. Donald shot and killed him.

Speaker 1 And since everything wasn't ready yet, parentheses, he had slowly, he had it set slowly gas so that it would be an explosive, beat on an explosive level during the ceremony.

Speaker 1 Holy shit, that's some fucking Walter White shit. Yeah.
He panicked and just set things on fire. So Mr.
Wallace being murdered saved hundreds of lives.

Speaker 1 The FBI did say that everything

Speaker 1 was actually set up correctly and it would have blown if his plan had been carried out. Myself and my entire family would have been casualties.

Speaker 1 It's such a weird event for me to reflect almost 30 years later. Oh, God, is it 30?

Speaker 1 When I think of everything in my life since then, it was a national headline at the time, though being, although being when it was, it's hard now to find good info on what, why exactly he did it.

Speaker 1 Mostly just town gossipy reasons at this point.

Speaker 1 I bet he hated those kids. Oh my God, yeah.
So much. He was, what is he, the science teacher? Is that what we said?

Speaker 1 Man. And those little shits.
That's insane. How crazy is that?

Speaker 1 I feel like I've never heard a story of a teacher that tried to kill everybody at once. No, he was pissed.
That's amazing. And that's actually 150 kids.
That's a lot of kids. It's not a small school.

Speaker 1 It's not like 50 kids or whatever. Yeah.
Fuck, Paula. Paula, that was good.
Paula, that was incredible. That was a near miss.
And guess what? That's another survivor story. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I kind of accidentally, but I didn't even do that on purpose. Look at us.
Look at us. Look at us in our podcasting.
And also, look who came in the room. He's ready for his close-up.

Speaker 1 Elvis knows when we're wrapping up and walks in and sits on the couch waiting for his part. He starts salivating when he hears us, gets sad and be like, how do we wrap this up? This is so super.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, this is, it's time. Every time he hears the tone go down, he's like, ah, yes.
Oh, yeah. You know what that means.
Every time I stop going,

Speaker 1 oh my God, at your stories. Can I say it? You want to say it this year? This year? Where are we? All year long.
Okay, but first we have to, but first.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Wait.
Oh, thanks for listening. My fave murder on Twitter.

Speaker 1 You know, do I do things? Do rate, reviews, subscribe, itunes. Fuck yeah.
The usual stuff. Here we go.
I think we're number seven on the comedy list again. We're crazy.
Keeping them every time.

Speaker 1 That's really nice. Oh, cool.
Thanks, everybody. You guys.
I love you. Tell a friend about it or your Uber driver.
Stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
Elvis, do you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 You got to say, cookie? Cookie?

Speaker 1 Oh, he's confused. Elvis, what if I keep cooking? Elvis, don't make this part of the edited version of our podcast.
We can't.

Speaker 1 You can't make our comments.

Speaker 1 Because he's cross-eyed and he can't.

Speaker 1 Elvis, do you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 God, you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 Don't get murdered, you guys.

Speaker 1 Bye. Bye.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. Like, that story had me on the edge of my seat, like, unfucking believable.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've talked about this a bunch, but at this time when we were doing this podcast, I had at least one writing job, if not two.

Speaker 1 So the idea that then I had a third writing job of writing these stories, which of course, I don't think either of us understood the level of homework we were signing up for.

Speaker 1 So oftentimes my basically my Cliff's notes cheat, what I would just would be that I would just retell an episode of I Survived that I remembered and loved because I had to do something.

Speaker 1 And it was like, it was the craziest position to be in. But I just want to give it up one more time for the television show, I Survived.
I believe it's produced out of New Zealand Zealand originally.

Speaker 1 If you have not seen it and you like true crime and you care about survivor stories, it is an absolute must-watch. It's so incredible.
People telling their own story. It's like, it's ideal.

Speaker 1 And in this one, Sarah Brady telling this story about what happened to her.

Speaker 1 It's just, my version of it is just the boiled over, warmed over version. You have to watch Sarah Brady tell her own story.
It's mind-boggling. Absolutely.
There are a couple updates.

Speaker 1 It eventually came to light that Katie Smith, who was the woman who attempted to murder Sarah Brady, had faked three other pregnancies in the past.

Speaker 1 She would go find personal information about pregnant women through their online baby registries.

Speaker 1 And after Sarah's attack, Babies RS changed its policy to protect access to personal information, which is great that they did that.

Speaker 1 And then in this episode, I couldn't remember which celebrity face had been scratched out of the framed magazine cover, which is one of the chilling details as Sarah Brady is walking through this apartment.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. And seeing you imagine seeing this creepy stuff.

Speaker 1 It was the four stars of Sex in the City whose faces had been scratched out, framed and on a set of drawers. No.

Speaker 1 And one of their names, of course, was Sarah. Right.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. What a story.
I mean,

Speaker 1 God. It's a wild one.
It's so crazy. This is also the first time I think we talk about the word murderino.
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we had gotten that from a Facebook group, someone in the Facebook group coined the phrase murderino for

Speaker 1 somehow. And it just, I kind of stuck a little bit.
You know? I mean, it was such a good idea. It was a male murderino who did it, which I think is really stands out because there's not that many.

Speaker 1 They're a small but mighty group. And not that it matters, but that's just how I remember.
I think I remember the name Kevin, but it could be wrong.

Speaker 1 But whoever did it, it was a word that he got from one of the Simpsons Halloween episodes. Right.
And it just stuck like immediately as if it had always been everybody's name. That's so good.

Speaker 1 And now people have it fucking tattooed on them. So like.
Good job, maybe Kevin. And also,

Speaker 1 if you are maybe Kevin and you remember all this, will you write into the Gmail so we can actually give you the props you deserve?

Speaker 1 Because we've tried to give it to you, but it's like the Facebook page is gone, had to be removed.

Speaker 1 So we would love to give you the props you deserve if you're out there. Yeah.
And if you have a Murderino tattoo, fucking tag us in that shit and we will high-five you. Send a little picture

Speaker 1 for the picture website.

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Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty good design. Yeah.
Okay, so this episode was originally titled Making a 23rder,

Speaker 1 but we went over the everything. And if we were naming it today, there's other options for us.

Speaker 1 We could call it Get With the Program because that's what Georgia said before explaining to new listeners what SSDGM means and who Elvis is. Oh my God, yeah.
Get with the program.

Speaker 1 Everybody's a skipper, of course. You know, high-five, we love a skipper.
There's you go, girl.

Speaker 1 Marty.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, I think everyone knows the name would be Stay Out of the Forest. That's right.
I mean, how could you deny it at the end of this?

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you guys so much for listening to another episode of Rewind.
Do you like these? Let us know in comment land and we'll keep doing them. And stay sexy.
And don't get murdered. Goodbye.

Speaker 1 Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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