Episode 6 - Armed and Dangerous

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Speaker 1 Everything looks very closed up, like they definitely don't want people just knocking in.

Speaker 1 I think I need to ring the bell.

Speaker 1 Hey, my name is Jennifer. I have an appointment with Ray Lugo.

Speaker 3 Hey.

Speaker 1 How's it going?

Speaker 1 It was a weekday afternoon, and I was at the Homicide Bureau of the LA County Sheriff's Department. It's this institutional-looking building in a suburban office park just east of L.A.

Speaker 5 We have some podcasters I'm just giving them a little tour, and I want to show them some pictures, okay?

Speaker 1 That's Detective Ray Lugo. He's got broad shoulders and a bald head.
He used to be a high school football coach, and he's still kind of got that coach vibe.

Speaker 1 Like, he likes to remind me that he was the lead detective on Daisy's case. He says he always had a plan for it.

Speaker 1 He walked me around the office and pointed to newspaper clippings and photographs on the wall. And because this is Los Angeles, there were also movie posters.

Speaker 7 The movie with Angelina Jolie,

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 7 changeling.

Speaker 1 Changeling, yeah.

Speaker 10 You know, in the movie, it's all LAPD and stuff, but that was a sheriff's case and stuff.

Speaker 7 Okay. But in movies, they always put LAPD, but that was...

Speaker 12 And we didn't know that historian told us.

Speaker 10 And we had pictures of it and stuff.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you get slighted? The LAPD gets all the...

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 5 they're the DVP to us anyway, so

Speaker 5 we don't feel that way.

Speaker 1 All right. So if you didn't catch that, Luko was saying that the changeling was based on a sheriff's department's case, but that the movie made it all about the LAPD.

Speaker 1 When I asked if that bothered him, that the LAPD always gets the Hollywood treatment, he said no. I mean, it sounds like what he said was they're junior varsity to us.

Speaker 1 Again, he's a former football coach. And by the way, the LEPD and the LA Sheriff's Department have separate jurisdictions.

Speaker 1 The former patrols the city of LA, whereas the latter serves the county's unincorporated areas and more than 40 of its other cities. So everywhere from Palmdale to Malibu to Compton.

Speaker 1 It is a massive area. Lugo showed me a break room.
It looked kind of like a high school cafeteria, right down to the mascot that was painted on the back wall.

Speaker 1 It was this cartoon bulldog wearing a fedora, and it had a little piece of paper in the fedora, and on that piece of paper were the numbers 187.

Speaker 1 California Penal Code for Homicide.

Speaker 1 I'm noticing this bulldog everywhere.

Speaker 10 The LA Times called this the Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 Lugo pointed me to a newspaper clipping mounted on a wall. It was from 1977.
The headline is Sheriff's Bulldogs Hang In where LAPD doesn't. Oh, so they're like pitting you against LAPD again.

Speaker 1 I didn't know there was like this rivalry.

Speaker 3 No, not really. We don't consider them a rival to us.

Speaker 7 They can't hang with us.

Speaker 10 They can't.

Speaker 1 So what does it mean to be a bulldog?

Speaker 7 The reason why they, in the article, the reason why they said that was because

Speaker 7 we never give up.

Speaker 9 And that's how they teach us that here, that although even when we don't have any evidence we just never give up we find a way a legal way

Speaker 10 to try to um

Speaker 10 find the suspects and convict them

Speaker 1 well that's actually what i was here to talk with luko about like what exactly was he doing while daisy's friends and family were putting victor on blast

Speaker 1 desperately looking to get attention on the case Where was that bulldog spirit when it came to finding a murder suspect?

Speaker 1 I'm Jen Swan from From London Audio, iHeartRadio, and executive producer Paris Hilton, this is My Friend Daisy, episode 6, Armed and Dangerous.

Speaker 1 In June of 2021, Lugo's cell phone had been blowing up. Susie had been calling him just about every day to ask about her daughter's case.
Daisy's friends and relatives were calling him too.

Speaker 1 But those weren't the only people calling about Daisy's murder.

Speaker 12 They put out something on social media, so, and they put out my number, my cell number.

Speaker 8 So I was getting calls from

Speaker 3 all over

Speaker 3 you.

Speaker 1 Lugo's cell phone number, he discovered, had been plastered all over the internet.

Speaker 1 Unbeknownst to him, It was on the TikToks and the Instagram and Facebook posts that Daisy's friends and family had made. The posts that had since gone viral.

Speaker 1 Now, Lugo was getting calls at all hours of the day, all from people who said they'd seen a murder suspect. A 20-something guy with dark hair, distinctive eyebrows, and stretched earlobes.

Speaker 18 I got calls from the University of Texas, University of Arizona, many, many calls here in Los Angeles,

Speaker 15 University of California at Santa Barbara.

Speaker 7 University of San Diego State University, University of San Diego, just students.

Speaker 8 Because people in college wear those.

Speaker 19 He had the earplugs and the earplugs were extremely big and

Speaker 17 not very many people have the big holes in their ears.

Speaker 6 Is that

Speaker 10 the gauges? Is that what it's called?

Speaker 1 I had a feeling that the reason why college students were calling didn't actually have much to do with gauged ears. It had to do with their age group and the media they were consuming.

Speaker 1 I wonder if those were also people that were seeing the TikTok and the Instagram that were put out for your friends.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yes.

Speaker 10 Yes, yes, they did tell us that.

Speaker 18 That's how they got my number. So I'd get calls in the middle of the night all the time.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 7 I would send the local agency and,

Speaker 12 you know, that's part of our job.

Speaker 14 That's what we do.

Speaker 1 Lugo said things like that a lot. Things like, that's part of our job.
That's what we do.

Speaker 1 I'd come here to interview him, to find out what he and his partner had been doing all that time when when Daisy's loved ones were desperately looking for answers.

Speaker 1 And he'd come to this interview ready to defend his investigation.

Speaker 7 Most people thought, oh, this was an easy case, but we didn't have any witnesses.

Speaker 8 The video was not very good at all.

Speaker 1 Lugo had a stack of index cards in front of him, notes and talking points that he referred to every so often.

Speaker 1 We were sitting in a boardroom where on the back wall, an American flag was printed on this big framed piece of wood. It had a thin blue line running through the middle.

Speaker 1 And in the left-hand corner, among the stars, was that cartoon bulldog in a fedora.

Speaker 1 And Lugo was in bulldog mode. He wasn't giving up explaining how difficult the investigation was.

Speaker 7 It doesn't happen that quick unless, you know, a husband kills his wife and, you know, he's there and

Speaker 7 those are easy. Anybody could do those.

Speaker 3 Right?

Speaker 7 You guys could do those, right?

Speaker 3 Those.

Speaker 17 A domestic, but this wasn't as easy as people thought.

Speaker 9 And I know at times families

Speaker 16 get frustrated with us, but we can't go play by play with them on all the information we have.

Speaker 9 And they just have to trust us.

Speaker 1 I think from Susie's point of view, you know, she had, and I think she told you this from the beginning too, she had this fear that this case wouldn't be taken seriously because she's Mexican or because she lives in Compton and it's like going to Compton.

Speaker 1 It could be a body dump. It could be an unknown victim.
And so I think she always had this like defensiveness of like, I have to fight.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, no, but she has to remember too that we're Mexican too.

Speaker 14 And we, I grew up in East LA and in the worst neighborhood as hers.

Speaker 12 And we understand.

Speaker 3 And we're not going to let anybody get away with murder, right? We don't do that. We, we, we, we have a conscience.

Speaker 18 We have a family.

Speaker 3 I've been doing this for, I'm in my 43rd year, 28 at homicide.

Speaker 1 And can I ask like how

Speaker 1 you decided to join the shift? Like what was there something that happened in your life that...

Speaker 18 Yeah, I was born and raised in East Los Angeles in the early 70s.

Speaker 7 We had the East LA riots.

Speaker 14 I lived a half a block away from Whittier Boulevard from where it was all happening.

Speaker 19 And I remember seeing...

Speaker 12 My parents went to a wedding, so it was me and my brothers and sisters.

Speaker 19 There was four of us, and we were in the house by ourselves when the riots broke out and people were running down the street with tires and stolen lawnmowers, but everything was on fire.

Speaker 18 And I noticed the Sheriff's Department

Speaker 19 were coming in and

Speaker 11 I was impressed.

Speaker 8 My older brother, he was

Speaker 3 two years older.

Speaker 16 He was an LAPD officer.

Speaker 7 And I was a couple years behind him. And I didn't want to follow my brother, be that guy, be the little brother.

Speaker 1 It occurred to me that maybe this was the source of Lugo's competition with the LAPD.

Speaker 1 It's not an agency rivalry, it's a sibling rivalry.

Speaker 1 Lugo said he wanted to work his own neighborhood, which was under the sheriff's jurisdiction, and try to solve problems from within.

Speaker 1 He put in time as a patrol officer and then worked his way up to a night detective.

Speaker 1 He says he ended up solving a lot of murders, in part because he just knew a lot of people in the neighborhood and they trusted him. Eventually, he found his way to the homicide bureau in the mid-90s.

Speaker 1 And the only way he's been able to keep doing it is by compartmentalizing. He didn't use that word, but that's essentially what he described.

Speaker 16 I try to

Speaker 19 not

Speaker 3 really

Speaker 7 let the rest of my family know about what's going on with the job and the whole bit, right?

Speaker 12 But there's no one to talk talk to.

Speaker 3 I don't talk about that, right?

Speaker 7 I think that's why I've been able to survive that this long, but I'm always thinking about it when I'm by myself driving to work,

Speaker 12 figuring out a plan, when I'm jogging on the treadmill.

Speaker 21 That's when we do our, that's when I think about how we can approach this case or how can we trick them if we're tricking somebody.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 21 most of the time it works out.

Speaker 1 But Daisy's case, it didn't just come together when he was driving to work or jogging on the treadmill.

Speaker 1 He did at least have a suspect, but the suspect had vanished, his whereabouts unknown, which was sometimes true even before he disappeared.

Speaker 7 Sometimes he wouldn't come home. Sometimes he stayed out in the streets.

Speaker 14 They didn't know

Speaker 3 where he stayed at.

Speaker 7 He really got into skating.

Speaker 16 And he was pretty good.

Speaker 8 So we had surveillance teams at every skate park in Southern California.

Speaker 3 Every skate park?

Speaker 12 Yeah, just about every skate park from the Lincoln Heights or his favorite skate parks from Lincoln Heights all the way to Long Beach.

Speaker 15 So in Lincoln Park, we knew he went there.

Speaker 21 We had a surveillance team for weeks at that location. And he traveled through the Metro line.
the Metro Rail.

Speaker 17 So we tried to follow

Speaker 7 that. We had surveillance teams, but with no luck.

Speaker 1 The Metro line, the place where Valerie Areano, and so many others reported seeing a skateboarder who looked like Victor.

Speaker 12 I know the family thought, oh, just go arrest a boyfriend, right?

Speaker 15 So I was a boyfriend.

Speaker 8 But we can't be wrong.

Speaker 8 We have to be right, 100% right.

Speaker 7 And we had to wait till the

Speaker 21 lab results came back and

Speaker 21 we

Speaker 16 got the CODIS hit.

Speaker 1 CODIS, the Combined DNA Index System. It's this big federal database maintained by the FBI and it combines data from law enforcement agencies all over the country.
And a CODIS hit, that's a bingo.

Speaker 1 It's when the DNA collected from a crime scene brings up a match for someone who's been arrested before.

Speaker 1 Which is exactly what happened when the blood around Daisy's body was processed. It matched with the suspect.

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Speaker 1 There are stories from all over the country about social media users accusing the wrong person of a crime.

Speaker 1 It even happened in Compton, the city where Daisy lived, about eight months before her friends took to social media to find her killer.

Speaker 26 33-year-old Compton resident Darnell Hicks, a father to two girls and a youth football coach, feared for his safety and his families after being wrongfully accused on social media of ambushing two LA County Sheriff's deputies Saturday.

Speaker 26 He saw a Be on the Lookout post with his face on it. He and his attorneys say they have no idea who started these accusations.

Speaker 1 There are stories of sleuths misidentifying someone as a victim or filming them without their consent because, you know, they thought they were a missing person.

Speaker 27 I've seen this video come across my Facebook story and I keep wondering who is this girl? Where is she? Why does she look so lost?

Speaker 1 There are stories about the way good intentions can become misguided search parties,

Speaker 1 like this one that Sarah Turney reported on.

Speaker 28 Of course, a viral video went around of this girl and people were really nervous for her. At first, they thought it was Cassie Compton, but it has been confirmed to not be Cassie.

Speaker 1 But this is not one of those stories.

Speaker 1 Because when DNA evidence from the crime scene was processed, it showed that the person Daisy's friends and family had been adamant about, the person they'd been calling detectives about and making videos about and circulating photos of, it was the same person whose DNA was found at the crime scene.

Speaker 7 Some of the blood that they found was Victor Selsa's blood.

Speaker 8 Luckily, and there was a lot of blood.

Speaker 7 In these stabbings, you know,

Speaker 17 when people start stabbing someone and blood starts getting slippery, so the hand slips

Speaker 10 Usually and usually the suspects get

Speaker 14 cut and that's what happened in this regard.

Speaker 8 So fortunately for us Victor had been arrested years before for some sort of assault

Speaker 7 and They took his DNA then so he was in the system the CODA system Interesting.

Speaker 1 Do you know what that assault was regarding?

Speaker 14 I'm not sure. Okay.

Speaker 12 You don't know whether it was related to Daisy or something. No, I don't.

Speaker 8 I know they had had an incident before.

Speaker 15 There was an incident where the grandfather had told us that

Speaker 21 months before

Speaker 7 he struck her with the skateboard in the head. And that's why there was a breakup for a time.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 7 when the investigators finally spoke to Daisy, she refused. to cooperate with the investigation and she refused to prosecute.

Speaker 18 We did talk to an investigator on that case, and she signed a waiver, dropping the case.

Speaker 1 Daisy did.

Speaker 3 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 Were there ever any records of him having a history with domestic abuse besides this one assault charge?

Speaker 21 No, no.

Speaker 12 He didn't have much of a record at all.

Speaker 18 He was kind of a loner.

Speaker 17 Antisocial.

Speaker 18 kind of awkward.

Speaker 3 He was really weird.

Speaker 1 Weird. It's a a word that Lugo used to describe Victor at least six different times during our 90-minute interview.

Speaker 7 He couldn't keep a job.

Speaker 5 He's too weird to keep a job.

Speaker 7 He's just so awkward and almost weird.

Speaker 11 Victor's so awkward and so weird. He's just a weird kid.

Speaker 1 But Victor wasn't a kid. He was 25 when he murdered Daisy.
When he fled. When more than three months later, Daisy's friends and family began posting about it it online.

Speaker 1 And when, a little more than a month after that, the LA County Sheriff's Department decided to co-opt their strategy. They turned to social media too.

Speaker 13 This man, 25-year-old Victor Hugo Sosa, should be considered armed and dangerous. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department says he's wanted for the murder of his girlfriend.

Speaker 1 The local news began broadcasting Victor's name and photo after the sheriffs posted a flyer about him on their Facebook page.

Speaker 1 Wanted for murder, murder, the graphic said in all caps across the top of the flyer. In the center was a DMV photo of Victor.

Speaker 1 It had been taken about four years earlier, actually around the time that he met Daisy. In it, he had shaggy hair that fell to the base of his neck and clear gauges in his ears.

Speaker 13 Sosa is described as around five feet six inches tall and 130 pounds. He's known to use his skateboard and public transportation to get around.

Speaker 1 The local CBS news station wasn't the only media outlet to pick up the sheriff's announcement. The LA Times ran a story, and this time, it included Daisy's name and details about her life.

Speaker 1 Her mom was quoted in the article, talking about how she dreamed of opening a salon someday, and Lugo was quoted in it, too.

Speaker 1 He said that he believed Victor had fled to Mexico, but had since returned to the LA area, and that he'd recently been seen in homeless encampments all over town.

Speaker 1 These sightings, they were the result of all the calls that Lugo had been getting. Calls from people who had seen the TikToks and the Instagrams.

Speaker 12 I know those kids meant well

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 7 I always thanked them for calling and I would tell them hopefully you'll see it on the news.

Speaker 12 And we had our plan.

Speaker 19 We had the surveillance teams out there still looking.

Speaker 9 I know people think that these cases are easy and we just arrest them and it would be easy to prosecute.

Speaker 9 But if you don't have any evidence, and we at the time, we didn't have any evidence other than the blood, and it took a while for us to get that.

Speaker 3 The CODIS hit, I believe we got the CODIS hit on March 13th or 14th.

Speaker 1 Hang on. The CODIS hit came back in the middle of March, just three weeks after Daisy's murder.
I thought about all the weeks that passed after that.

Speaker 1 Weeks when her friends and family were on pins and needles waiting for updates.

Speaker 1 I thought about Daisy's neighbors watching their backs around the apartment complex, wondering who the killer was, not knowing he had any relation to his victim.

Speaker 1 It was impossible not to wonder what might have happened if the detectives had put out Victor's name and photo after they first got this CODIS hit.

Speaker 1 What exactly was gained by waiting an additional three months to warn the public? And what was lost?

Speaker 1 I sat there in the conference room, dumbfounded. I had been working on the story for three years at that point in some form or another.

Speaker 1 And this piece of information about the date of the CODIS hit,

Speaker 1 it had totally eluded me up until then. I must have had this blank stare on my face when I heard it because Lugo suddenly seemed self-conscious.
There was this awkward silence. And then he said.

Speaker 12 You still want to talk about the investigation?

Speaker 1 Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 I just, yeah, when you say that, I know you've explained this to me before, but when you say the CODIS hit, you're saying that you were able to sample the the DNA from the scene and match it with the DNA from his previous arrest.

Speaker 3 Yeah, right? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 But then

Speaker 1 the public didn't know to look for Victor until I think June, the end of June, you put out that.

Speaker 3 Right, right.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 20 We had surveillance teams looking for him.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 1 so walk me through like how do you make the decision about when to tell the public, you know, okay, we're looking for this guy. Here's what he looks like.

Speaker 1 If the CODIS hit was in March, tell me about like April, May, June.

Speaker 8 Yeah, once we were working with the family and

Speaker 7 we believed that he was out of the country and the family, they had had a little contact with him via telephone and they had met him.

Speaker 12 We don't want to say who that was, but they actually went down to Mexico

Speaker 7 to meet up with him

Speaker 14 and

Speaker 19 then

Speaker 18 contacted me, and then we set up a little plan to get them.

Speaker 18 And we tried it two times,

Speaker 18 weeks apart, you know, three, four weeks apart, so we wouldn't scare them and scare them off.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 7 both times we were unsuccessful.

Speaker 18 And it was at that point where we decided to

Speaker 19 go public once we kind of thought that we were going get a little help from social media.

Speaker 1 I spoke to Lugo and his partner Sanchez multiple times to try to clarify this timeline, to try to understand their reasoning for not putting out this information sooner.

Speaker 1 They maintained that they were working with Victor's family to try to track him down. They didn't want to put out the information about him to the public because they didn't want to scare him off.

Speaker 1 They were afraid that he'd find out people were looking for him and he'd flee even further south.

Speaker 19 And then he leaves to a country that we don't have a treaty with and we'll never get him back, right?

Speaker 1 Never mind that by the time the detectives posted their flyer on Facebook, Victor's face had already been plastered across TikTok and Instagram for weeks, which is probably why when people saw this flyer on Facebook, they wrote comments like, this is old news.

Speaker 1 Another comment read, I can't believe you guys are just now posting this when it happened in February.

Speaker 1 There was this one comment that really seemed to sum up the anger of some people in the community. It read, everyone's been telling the police department where he is, and they don't care.

Speaker 1 I'm ready to go out and catch him myself.

Speaker 1 This comment, it had been posted by Valerie Pinato.

Speaker 1 Underneath that comment, she'd written the one about wanting to hunt Victor down. We need rope and a bat because he won't go down without a fight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she'd written that comment on the LA County Sheriff's Department's Facebook page. When I talked to her about these comments, she did not back down from them.
She said she meant every word.

Speaker 1 Was some of your anger around the fact that like it had been four months and Victor still hadn't been arrested? Like the comment that you wrote was something like they don't take this seriously.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 29 pretty much I already knew it's like

Speaker 29 it's like another another day for them.

Speaker 29 Another day for the cops. Like it like it seemed it felt like for me it seemed like it didn't matter, you you know

Speaker 29 that daisy's death didn't matter pretty much yeah i just saw that they didn't really care and i wanted to say that i wanted to bring that awareness you know like put some pressure for them to take it serious and because it's compton too yeah they just like oh it's just another day in compton

Speaker 29 so i'm like

Speaker 29 like i'm gonna make sure that she gets her justice so

Speaker 1 You might be wondering, what kind of beef does Valerie have with the cops?

Speaker 1 And it may not shock you to learn this, but she too, like so many others I spoke with in Daisy's community, had had an unnerving encounter with law enforcement. Here's how she put it.

Speaker 29 Like one time I got, I got like racially profiled. It was bad, like over my taillight in one of my cars.
This was like years ago, but I had like my hands on the wheel.

Speaker 29 They pulled me over in front of my cousin's car.

Speaker 29 And yeah, at that time I got a little bit more tan.

Speaker 29 So I was like kind of scared and everyone outside of the houses came to like just watch so that they wouldn't do anything because that's how scared, you know, the neighbors were.

Speaker 29 And I was like, look, I'll leave my car here. I won't drive it.
You know, I'll get my cousin to fix it.

Speaker 29 And they wanted to tow my car. I was like, for what?

Speaker 29 Over a taillight?

Speaker 29 Yeah, that was really scary too. And I kind of saw the cop put his hand on his gun.

Speaker 29 And I was like, oh my God. I was like, please.
And I kept telling myself that.

Speaker 1 Valerie, who's not scared of anything, including suspected murderers, was scared of being pulled over by the police.

Speaker 1 And yet, when a murder happened in her own community, she wondered, where were the police? What had they been doing?

Speaker 1 And so she decided she wasn't going to let this go.

Speaker 29 That's how I had to keep harassing.

Speaker 29 I had to keep talking shit on all these pages. I was like, we're going to get the guy.

Speaker 29 Whether the cops don't do anything.

Speaker 1 You're like, I got to talk shit for justice.

Speaker 3 I gotta do it.

Speaker 29 Yeah,

Speaker 29 that's when,

Speaker 29 yeah, pretty much. That's when I ended up talking to Daisy's mom, too, at some point.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 On Facebook?

Speaker 29 Yeah, I did. And I think Instagram, too.

Speaker 29 I think it was Instagram, too.

Speaker 1 Do you remember what you guys talked about?

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah, I remember in the post before she reached out to me.

Speaker 13 She reached out to you?

Speaker 3 Yeah, she did.

Speaker 29 Why? I just kept telling her in the post, I'm praying every day. We're We're going to get this guy.
I told her, I'm praying, and I know God is going to come through.

Speaker 29 I would tell her that God's going to come through. I promise you.
I made that promise to her. I was like, I promise you, we're going to get this guy.

Speaker 1 Valerie would turn out to be right, but not in the way that anyone expected.

Speaker 1 Next time, on My Friend Daisy.

Speaker 15 I get a phone call from our office.

Speaker 30 They want to transfer a phone call to me.

Speaker 30 Some

Speaker 30 comandante from some police in Mexico. It didn't occur to me.

Speaker 30 I said, okay, just transfer him.

Speaker 30 I didn't know who he was. I wasn't sure what he was calling about.
And he says, hey, are you looking for Victor Sosa?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 30 He says, I have him.

Speaker 1 Hi, everyone. This is Paris.

Speaker 31 Thanks for listening to my friend Daisy. If you or someone you love is experiencing abuse, you are not alone.
Help is available 24-7.

Speaker 31 Contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline for free confidential support. Call 800-799-7233.
Text start to 88-788 or visit thehotline.org. Your safety matters.

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I'm I'm also your host.

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Speaker 1 Special thanks to Steve Akerman, Emily Rossik, and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben Goldberg and Orly Greenberg at UTA, and Jen Ortiz at The Cut.

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