Episode 1 - Sitting Ducks

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Speaker 12 if you've ever scrolled through tick tock then you know it's full of people sharing the most intimate and sometimes the most mundane parts of their lives.

Speaker 12 People who film everything they ate in a day, everything they purchased on the internet, everything they wore on vacation.

Speaker 17 People who see their lives as content.

Speaker 18 Daisy de la O was not one of those people.

Speaker 20 She was not an influencer or a vlogger or a content creator.

Speaker 6 She didn't like to share her secrets with the world.

Speaker 17 Sometimes she even hid them from the people closest to her.

Speaker 6 When she was murdered at the age of 19, her Instagram contained just five posts, only two of which showed showed her face.

Speaker 21 Slightly more than 100 people followed her.

Speaker 17 They were mostly friends from high school and college, people she knew in real life.

Speaker 12 Nobody else would have known to find her there.

Speaker 24 Her real name wasn't even on the account.

Speaker 25 To anyone outside of her social circle, her profile was essentially unsearchable.

Speaker 12 Her LinkedIn page, created just six months before her death, listed no activity and no connections.

Speaker 12 And her Facebook, it seemingly hadn't been touched in years.

Speaker 18 For the most part, Daisy lived her life offline, and that was the way that she liked it.

Speaker 12 But when her life was cut short in February of 2021, a strange thing happened.

Speaker 16 Daisy

Speaker 20 went viral.

Speaker 27 Photos and videos of her began to appear online.

Speaker 26 And there was this one TikTok that really told the story of her life and death.

Speaker 28 The The first frame of it showed Daisy on a carnival ride.

Speaker 28 It's the one where you grip the steering wheel and spin it around and around in circles until you either puke or lose your voice from screaming so much.

Speaker 31 Five words appear across the screen.

Speaker 28 This is my friend Daisy.

Speaker 28 Daisy is wearing wingtip eyeliner and a gold septum ring.

Speaker 23 She's got black and turquoise hair peeking out from under her beanie.

Speaker 22 The neon lights from the carnival cast this purple glow across her face.

Speaker 15 And there's something about her expression.

Speaker 7 It's like, I don't know, the way she's looking off to the side, and her eyes and her mouth are wide with joy that is just really magnetic.

Speaker 35 A few seconds later, the TikTok cuts to a new image.

Speaker 27 And this one has no carnival ride, no smiles, no neon lighting.

Speaker 11 There's no joy.

Speaker 11 It's mostly black with a collage of photos of someone else.

Speaker 23 Someone suspected of murdering her.

Speaker 23 This TikTok, it was was posted on May 26th, 2021.

Speaker 35 It was less than a minute long, but it accomplished two things that nobody had been able to do up until that point.

Speaker 37 Not the media and not the police. It got people to care about this woman they'd never met, who came from an immigrant family and a low-income neighborhood.

Speaker 38 I've watched this TikTok over and over again.

Speaker 27 I've studied it, like pausing the frames and zooming in and out and analyzing it like it's this piece of art.

Speaker 23 And I don't know, it's not like I'm looking for some kind of secret message within it.

Speaker 28 It's more that I'm just in awe of its storytelling.

Speaker 23 It has this precision to it.

Speaker 35 It hooks you in, gut punches you with a series of emotions.

Speaker 10 Joy, horror, sadness, anger.

Speaker 28 And it conveys this sense of urgency, this need for justice.

Speaker 27 Not later, but right now.

Speaker 35 And not from the authorities, but from the community.

Speaker 26 It gives us permission to look for answers, to take control, to be the sleuths we wish to see in the world.

Speaker 31 I'm Jen Swan from London Audio, iHeartRadio, and executive producer Paris Hilton.

Speaker 23 This is my friend Daisy, episode one: Sitting Ducks.

Speaker 40 I would never see my daughter grow.

Speaker 41 Susanna Salas is broken, a mother grieving her only daughter, Daisy De Lao.

Speaker 26 If you lived in LA in the summer of 2021, you might have come across the story on the local ABC 7 station.

Speaker 26 It was the kind of story that TV news shows seem to love to spotlight.

Speaker 19 It was about a promising young girl, the senseless violence that ended her life, and the single mother left shattered.

Speaker 6 There were tearful interviews set to a slow piano instrumental.

Speaker 23 The whole thing was deeply tragic, like unspeakably sad.

Speaker 23 But the news segment also had this unexpected element.

Speaker 41 LA County Sheriff's detectives tracked every lead, and friends of Daisy launched their own campaign on TikTok.

Speaker 46 The TikTok campaign.

Speaker 21 It immediately piqued my interest.

Speaker 23 interest.

Speaker 13 This idea that TikTok, a platform nobody outside of Gen Z seemed to understand and which the federal government wants to ban, could actually lend a voice to the people who needed it the most.

Speaker 16 And then there were the photos of Daisy herself that drew me in.

Speaker 46 I didn't know her, but she reminded me of myself and my friends in high school. The piercings, the rainbow hair colors, the fishnet stockings.

Speaker 24 She dressed like I did when I was a teenager, when I didn't quite know who I was, but I knew I wasn't like everyone else.

Speaker 26 Or at least that's what I told myself.

Speaker 23 And there was something I couldn't get out of my mind when I first saw this news segment.

Speaker 41 Susanna, grateful to the LA County Sheriff's Department detectives who vowed to hunt down Daisy's killer.

Speaker 17 It was the way detectives had been celebrated.

Speaker 14 in that news clip.

Speaker 17 The narration was so over the top that I almost wondered if it was a PR stunt for the sheriffs.

Speaker 16 LA County homicide detectives worked endlessly on the case, but as Javana.

Speaker 8 I found it confusing

Speaker 16 because it raised this question for me.

Speaker 12 If that was true, if detectives had been working endlessly on this case, then why did Daisy's friends feel the need to get involved and try to solve it themselves?

Speaker 14 To take matters into their own hands and launch their own seemingly rogue campaign.

Speaker 12 I had the sense that there was something missing from the story, something that just couldn't be contained in this short news segment. And I immediately wanted to know what it was.

Speaker 47 So I got in touch with Susannah Salas.

Speaker 23 We talked for hours, and she told me about something one of the detectives on the case had told her.

Speaker 14 It was something I'd heard her talk about on that news segment.

Speaker 48 And he'd say, I promise you, Miha, we're going to find them.

Speaker 43 But then she told me something that didn't make it onto that TV segment, which is that the detective's words did little to reassure her.

Speaker 25 When she heard them, she thought to herself, bullshit.

Speaker 43 It's a Mexican-American girl who's going to care about her.

Speaker 28 It turned out a lot of people.

Speaker 23 Daisy's friends made sure of it.

Speaker 50 I spent a lot of time speaking with them in the months following Daisy's murder.

Speaker 44 At that point, they hadn't been interviewed on the news or by anyone at all that I could tell.

Speaker 23 I wanted to understand what had compelled them to become their own detectives, to put their trauma on display for the world.

Speaker 12 And it became clear pretty quickly that these teenage girls hadn't made these TikToks and Instagrams and Facebook posts for clout.

Speaker 23 They definitely did not want to be investigating their friend's unsolved murder, but they felt they had no other choice.

Speaker 19 And this thing they did, it was pretty gutsy, but it didn't exist in a vacuum.

Speaker 50 It was part of this larger phenomenon of friends and loved ones turning to social media when the so-called justice system wasn't working for them.

Speaker 52 I've never once met a family who said option number one to help my family's case is to become a content creator and try to become an influencer. Not once have I met somebody where that was option A.

Speaker 27 That's Sarah Turney.

Speaker 11 She's a true crime TikToker, YouTuber, and podcaster.

Speaker 11 If you've ever spent time watching true crime on TikTok, or crime talk, as it's it's sometimes called, then chances are you've seen Sarah's videos.

Speaker 8 Talking to her over Zoom felt a little surreal.

Speaker 27 It was almost like jumping into one of her videos to ask questions.

Speaker 8 Questions like, what would compel someone to talk about their loved one's murder or disappearance on social media?

Speaker 11 To ask the public for help in solving a case.

Speaker 52 Usually when people begin to tell their loved ones' stories, it is their last resort. They don't know what else to do.
You know, they've tried to go on the mainstream media to get them to care.

Speaker 52 And their last resort is making a podcast or a YouTube channel or a TikTok because that's free and accessible to them.

Speaker 53 It's a last resort, Sarah told me, because it requires a degree of vulnerability, which means it can also open the door to harassment.

Speaker 52 We are sitting ducks for anybody to just prey on us. We are asking the world, we are begging the world to care about our loved ones.
And that comes with a lot of negativity, unfortunately.

Speaker 12 I first became aware of Sarah's videos when I saw that someone had tagged her in the comments of the My Friend Daisy TikTok.

Speaker 16 Can you please help share this?

Speaker 10 They'd written.

Speaker 23 Sarah didn't end up seeing the video, she told me.

Speaker 26 Her notifications are always blowing up, so it's easy for stuff to get buried.

Speaker 12 People who make videos about missing or murdered friends and loved ones, they often tag Sarah.

Speaker 35 hoping that she'll repost them to her more than a million TikTok followers.

Speaker 13 Sarah went viral in April of 2020.

Speaker 6 She'd made a TikTok about her sister's disappearance.

Speaker 46 She'd tried for nearly two decades to get police to investigate, but nothing worked.

Speaker 23 Until TikTok did.

Speaker 54 I started TikTok to ask for Gen Z's help to share my missing sister, Alyssa Turney's story.

Speaker 10 And they

Speaker 10 are powerful.

Speaker 23 Four months after she posted the TikTok, the person she'd been accusing of murder had officially been charged.

Speaker 25 It was her father.

Speaker 55 Today,

Speaker 55 I am announcing the grand jury indictment for secondary murder of Michael Roy Turney.

Speaker 21 A jury later acquitted him.

Speaker 17 But Sarah's TikTok was like this case study for others who desperately wanted to have their day in court, to see charges filed, investigations closed.

Speaker 12 And they knew they had a powerful resource at their disposal.

Speaker 52 The algorithm behind TikTok, you know, it's, it's been likened to a slot machine in which, you know, you'll, you'll post a video and cha-ching, it goes viral.

Speaker 52 The next few may not, and then again, it goes viral. It's kind of addicting, right?

Speaker 12 Sarah talks about TikTok as this democratizing tool, this thing with the power to boost stories that aren't getting attention elsewhere.

Speaker 12 Like all social media platforms, it also carries a risk of circulating misinformation or just having it spin out of control.

Speaker 25 But to people like Sarah, the risks are worth it.

Speaker 52 I think that is why families gravitate towards TikTok. It is the most even playing field out there in terms of all these social media platforms.

Speaker 27 I think that's one of the reasons why I got so many responses to the article that I ended up writing about Daisy. for New York magazine's The Cut.

Speaker 26 Maybe it was the fact that her story first surfaced on TikTok.

Speaker 27 It was the story that otherwise might not have been reported on by the local TV news or by me.

Speaker 6 But after the article was published, I had this feeling.

Speaker 23 It was sort of like that feeling I had when I was watching that news segment. Like, this wasn't the end of the story.

Speaker 1 There was still this part of it that I hadn't uncovered yet.

Speaker 41 Like,

Speaker 46 what actually went wrong during the police investigation?

Speaker 47 Why had it stalled?

Speaker 23 How did it get to this point where Daisy's friends and family felt the need to take it into their own hands?

Speaker 32 And there were bigger questions I had too.

Speaker 6 Like, was social media the only way to get attention on a murder case when it involved someone who wasn't rich or who wasn't already kind of famous?

Speaker 23 What was the effect this was having on the families of crime victims, putting themselves in the spotlight as a last resort?

Speaker 53 Was our justice system fundamentally broken?

Speaker 23 In other words, how much depends upon the TikTok?

Speaker 12 When I started making this series, I had already interviewed people who created the posts about Daisy.

Speaker 7 But I hadn't yet talked to those who had consumed them, who sprang into action, who I would soon discover put their own safety on the line and hunted for the suspect in their own backyards.

Speaker 53 What compelled them to get involved?

Speaker 23 I was interested in exploring this idea of vigilante justice.

Speaker 34 Why did so many people in Daisy's community feel abandoned by law enforcement?

Speaker 53 And where did their drive come from?

Speaker 50 This drive to demand accountability by any means necessary.

Speaker 23 I ended up sitting down with both detectives in person for the first time.

Speaker 34 I spoke to lots of people who knew Daisy, and I spoke to a lot of people who had only ever seen her on their phone screens.

Speaker 39 I sifted through legal documents, and I gained access to records I had never seen before.

Speaker 46 Records that really shifted my understanding of this case.

Speaker 34 And I ended up speaking with the person whose photos I had seen all over the internet.

Speaker 43 The person who, according to that TikTok, had murdered Daisy.

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Speaker 12 The last time any of Daisy's family members saw her alive was February 22nd, 2021.

Speaker 17 It was a Monday.

Speaker 10 An ordinary Monday by most standards, filled with work and chores and errands.

Speaker 39 But to to Daisy's mother, Susanna, this day stuck out.

Speaker 16 It's so weird, she told me, but that day, we spent the whole day together.

Speaker 13 Susanna relayed this to me the first time I interviewed her in November 2021, nearly nine months after her daughter's murder.

Speaker 23 She'd suggested we meet for dinner at a Mexican restaurant in her neighborhood.

Speaker 26 It was wedged in a suburban strip mall in southeast LA.

Speaker 53 Reminders of Daisy were everywhere.

Speaker 17 The The CVS where she had worked was just a few doors down, and the junior high and high schools she graduated from were a short drive away.

Speaker 49 Suzanne and I sat on stools at the bar.

Speaker 23 She told me she goes by Susie.

Speaker 15 She had big brown eyes and long brown hair parted to one side.

Speaker 23 There was this loud mariachi music playing in the background, so the audio from this interview isn't great.

Speaker 27 And Susie did not want to be re-interviewed for this series.

Speaker 8 Talking about it again on tape would be too painful.

Speaker 1 We ordered tacos and we got to talking.

Speaker 23 At one point, the bartender maybe sensed that we were having this difficult conversation.

Speaker 26 She brought over two shots of tequila on the house. And Susie proceeded to tell me about this one day she remembered vividly.

Speaker 12 She wasn't planning to do laundry that day.

Speaker 42 The laundromat was just across the street, but it meant loading and unloading the car, waiting around for hours, and she just didn't want to deal with it.

Speaker 12 But Daisy convinced her otherwise.

Speaker 56 Come on, lady, come on, Susie remembers Daisy had said.

Speaker 19 Daisy had this way about her, this way of cheering on her mother, rallying her to do the stuff she didn't feel like doing.

Speaker 1 At the laundromat, Daisy worked on a crossword puzzle.

Speaker 26 And at one point, she looked up and told her mom that some guy was checking her out.

Speaker 12 Susie chimed in.

Speaker 27 How about that one?

Speaker 12 He's checking you out.

Speaker 45 Ew, gross, Daisy had said.

Speaker 43 At 19, she was roughly half the age of her mother.

Speaker 22 They were both adults, and to Susie, their easy relationship felt like a relief, especially after all the hardships of the previous few years.

Speaker 23 Years when Susie didn't always know where Daisy was.

Speaker 56 She was worried she might flunk out of high school, never mind making it to college.

Speaker 43 Susie had grown frustrated.

Speaker 27 She worked long hours, and...

Speaker 23 She didn't have time to track Daisy's every move.

Speaker 25 And so, she showed her tough love.

Speaker 34 She let her screw up and then deal with the consequences.

Speaker 37 And that was when something surprising happened, she told me.

Speaker 28 That's when Daisy started getting her life on track.

Speaker 19 She started going to night school to make up for all the classes she'd missed.

Speaker 7 She went to prom with friends.

Speaker 37 She wore a floor-length baby blue strapless gown.

Speaker 51 She looked like punk rock Cinderella, her white blonde hair glowing like a halo.

Speaker 37 And by the spring of 2019, she'd made up enough credits to walk at graduation with the rest of her class.

Speaker 26 That fall, she enrolled at East LA College, about a half hour northeast of Compton.

Speaker 23 She'd even gotten a job on campus welcoming new students, at least until COVID hit and the school went online.

Speaker 43 Daisy dreamed of becoming a makeup and tattoo artist, of starting her own business.

Speaker 37 She didn't want to work for nobody, Susie told me.

Speaker 23 But in the meantime, she was super focused on a short-term goal, one she was on the verge of achieving.

Speaker 24 She had saved up enough money to buy a used car.

Speaker 43 It seemed like everything was going perfect, Susie told me.

Speaker 13 After they got home that night from the laundromat, Susie said she had no energy to make dinner.

Speaker 18 And that's when Daisy started in with her rallying cry.

Speaker 56 Come on, lady, come on.

Speaker 12 Susie went to the kitchen. She made chicken tinga.

Speaker 17 She and Daisy joined Daisy's grandparents in the living room.

Speaker 53 They all lived together, along with Daisy's younger brother.

Speaker 7 It was a little cramped.

Speaker 23 There was just one bathroom, but they made do.

Speaker 12 A Spanish-language news show was playing on the television.

Speaker 26 Daisy curled up near Susie's feet, and there was this sense of calmness. Everyone was in a good mood, especially Daisy.

Speaker 53 That's Daisy's grandfather, Juan de la O.

Speaker 23 He has a round face, bushy eyebrows, and graying hair.

Speaker 16 He says that Daisy was about to buy a car. Especially at that age, he said, you get excited that you're going to have your own car.

Speaker 26 It was a big deal.

Speaker 21 In LA, a car means freedom, which was probably really important when you share an apartment with your grandparents and your mother and your brother.

Speaker 16 Especially because the bus from Daisy's apartment to work took her almost an hour.

Speaker 12 Took even longer for her to get to campus.

Speaker 16 But it was worth it.

Speaker 25 Daisy was on track to get her associate's degree in just a few months.

Speaker 53 Maybe it was her knowledge of all the good things on the horizon that put Daisy in such a good mood that night.

Speaker 23 Juan says that that night he was sitting here as usual in the living room where they all used to watch TV.

Speaker 12 It was a night that was neither cold nor hot, he said.

Speaker 17 It was a quiet night.

Speaker 62 They were watching their programs,

Speaker 62 and he said later

Speaker 38 he realized it stood out that

Speaker 38 she stayed a while longer than she usually would.

Speaker 40 Daisy.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 47 That's Miguel Contreras.

Speaker 39 He conducted this interview with me, and he also served as a translator. Miguel and I interviewed Juan in the living room of his Compton apartment.

Speaker 34 It's the top unit in a two-story, cream-colored building off a busy boulevard.

Speaker 39 It's the place where Daisy and her mother and her little brother used to live.

Speaker 34 Miguel noticed a piece of colored tinsel taped to the wall near the kitchen.

Speaker 26 He asked if it was for a party.

Speaker 37 Juan said no.

Speaker 17 The tinsel was left over actually from two Christmases ago.

Speaker 18 Daisy had decorated, and he hadn't bothered to take it down.

Speaker 39 He called it silly, but it was clearly important to him. It was a reminder of her.

Speaker 34 The night that he was telling us about,

Speaker 26 it stuck out in his memory because of how peaceful it was, how calm it was, how everyone was getting along.

Speaker 12 But the energy in the room seemed to change sometime around 10:30 p.m.

Speaker 47 That's when Daisy got a text message.

Speaker 18 She looked down at her phone and she announced that she was going to step outside.

Speaker 34 Juan said that when Daisy said goodbye that night, she was unusually affectionate.

Speaker 42 It stuck out to him, the way she gave her mother and her grandmother this big hug before walking out the door.

Speaker 23 She assured them that she wouldn't be long.

Speaker 51 I'll be right back, she'd said.

Speaker 23 Early the next morning, Jose Teyas went to take out the trash.

Speaker 8 He's the property manager at the building where Daisy's family lived.

Speaker 23 He's in his late 50s with piercing green eyes, dark hair speckled with gray, and a white goatee.

Speaker 34 He was born in Michuacan, but he spent more than half his life here in Compton. And for most of that time, he's lived and worked here.

Speaker 7 The property consists of eight buildings.

Speaker 18 There are these boxy bungalows with steps that wind down the front of them, connecting the second story to the ground floor.

Speaker 28 There's 32 units in all.

Speaker 50 And Jose knows just about everyone who lives here.

Speaker 23 A lot of his tenants use Section 8 vouchers, he told me.

Speaker 7 They're essentially federally subsidized rent payments.

Speaker 34 It's not always easy to find landlords who accept Section 8.

Speaker 47 So, tenants here, they tend to stay a while.

Speaker 26 Jose is always busy taking care of something or another.

Speaker 34 Like, on the day that I showed up at the property to talk to him, he was busy trimming trees.

Speaker 23 While we talked, tenants came up to ask him questions.

Speaker 7 He takes pride in his job.

Speaker 26 He said he's always working.

Speaker 37 And that Tuesday morning, in February of 2021, was no exception.

Speaker 47 Jose walked across the complex to the patch of concrete where all the garbage bins were stored. He started wheeling them out to the alley, one by one, saving the bulky items for last.

Speaker 34 One of those items was a big blue and gray patterned rug.

Speaker 21 It had been laying on the ground a few feet away from the garbage bins in the walkway between two apartment buildings.

Speaker 63 I left the carpet for the last because it's big. I had to roll it.

Speaker 6 Jose walked over to it and lifted it it up.

Speaker 12 But when he saw what was underneath it, he froze.

Speaker 63 So when I come and pick it up the carpet, I saw the body all naked from the back.

Speaker 63 And I get scared.

Speaker 12 It was a body lying face down on the ground.

Speaker 63 I'm a man, but I don't know if it's nothing, but hey, I find somebody.

Speaker 43 I'm a man, he said.

Speaker 49 I don't get scared of nothing. But hey, I find some person there, and I don't know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 19 Jose had seen and heard a lot during his more than three decades as building building manager.

Speaker 17 He'd even witnessed death in the back alley.

Speaker 63 Two weeks ago, they killed someone over there with a trash hat.

Speaker 63 Like four years ago, a prostitute killed her on the corner.

Speaker 49 But Jose had never seen anything quite like this.

Speaker 20 A murder right there on the property.

Speaker 25 He started panicking, but the first call he made wasn't to the police.

Speaker 26 It was to his wife.

Speaker 10 Gorda, Gorda, what I'm going to do is a dead person.

Speaker 63 Okay.

Speaker 63 Are they going to come in check?

Speaker 61 Call the cops!

Speaker 47 Call the cops, she responded.

Speaker 25 It seems obvious, but to Jose, it wasn't exactly intuitive, because, like a lot of the people I spoke with in his building, Jose had not had the best experiences with police.

Speaker 49 He told me it often took them a long time to show up, and sometimes their presence made a bad situation worse.

Speaker 37 Like, there was this one time.

Speaker 63 I call the police. The police come in and arrest me.

Speaker 47 It's a long story.

Speaker 37 It involves an aggressive former tenant and Jose firing a gun into the air.

Speaker 23 He says it was to try to scare him away from the property. But Jose's takeaway was that the next time he had a problem, he'd deal with it himself.

Speaker 1 Less of a hassle than getting the police involved.

Speaker 37 But on that morning, when he found the body, he knew this was not something he could handle on his own.

Speaker 64 Call one on Tuesday, February 23rd, 2021, at 6.48 a.m.

Speaker 65 I'm on one, what's your emergency?

Speaker 65 Yes, good morning. My name is...

Speaker 42 That's Jose, you hear on the 911 call.

Speaker 57 You have a what?

Speaker 65 Dead man.

Speaker 65 A dead man in your building? Yes, in the side of my building.

Speaker 60 What's your address?

Speaker 31 The operator asks Jose to speak up.

Speaker 7 She sounds agitated.

Speaker 6 She says she can barely hear him.

Speaker 65 Speaker, because I can barely hear you. No, no, I don't have you.
I don't have you the kids. Hold on.

Speaker 12 But it seems pretty clear it's not the volume.

Speaker 17 That's the issue.

Speaker 19 It's the language barrier.

Speaker 65 Is he black, white, Hispanic, Asian?

Speaker 65 He's covered with a blanket. He's covered in a blanket? And you sure he's

Speaker 65 deceased?

Speaker 65 He's over behind the trash case.

Speaker 10 The containers.

Speaker 65 He's behind.

Speaker 65 I'm going to pick it up the containers and I see that person right there.

Speaker 65 Okay, you don't know if he's black, white, or he's just covered in a blanket?

Speaker 65 He looks like white men. A white man? Or a girl? I don't know.
Okay, let me get fired on the line. Don't hang up, okay?

Speaker 65 Okay, fine. Somebody, put your punning ready for me.

Speaker 16 As Jose waited for the police to arrive, his mind raced with questions.

Speaker 35 Who was this person?

Speaker 27 How did they end up here?

Speaker 17 And who had done this to them?

Speaker 23 This season on my front, Daisy.

Speaker 60 Did you hear anything by any time? Any noise yesterday? Any screaming or anything? No. There's no cameras here? Help.

Speaker 36 Most people thought, oh, this was an easy case, but we didn't have any witnesses.

Speaker 66 I didn't find out about her death until I saw it on TikTok. And I was just like shocked.
I was like, nah, like, it's a lie. You know, it's a lie.
It was shocking.

Speaker 33 It was very shocking. Like, that could have been my daughter.
Like, you never know.

Speaker 36 They put out something on social media.

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