Episode 10: Cat Eyes

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I had just started making this show when I learned that Jeffrey had been murdered.

It was just after New Year's Day, 2024.

I had been talking to Susie on the phone, and when she told me the news, it felt completely inconceivable.

Jeffrey had been the one to identify Daisy's body.

He made sure that she wasn't a Jane Doe.

He testified at Victor's trial.

The guilty verdict was partly because of him.

Here's how Detective Sanchez put it.

On the stand, he was great.

That kid was amazing, right?

But if it wasn't for him, it would have been, it would have taken a lot longer, right?

And when we talked to him, he was,

you know, he wasn't scared.

He was,

you know, it was forthcoming.

Just tell us what you know, okay?

It was one horrific tragedy, one senseless act of violence that had ended the life of yet another teenager from the same apartment complex.

And so, as I spent the next few months putting in requests to interview the detectives on Daisy's case, I realized I had another murder to ask them about.

Jeffries.

Usually, homicide detectives are the ones with all the information.

They're the ones who get to choose when to withhold it and when to share it, whether to put out bulletins on social media, or to work the case without the help of the public.

They're often the ones tasked with delivering horrible, life-shattering news, telling people when someone they love has been murdered.

But when I began talking to Luko and Sanchez, it became clear to me that they didn't know about Jeffree's death.

Because when I sat down with each of them, they spoke about him in the present tense.

For example, here's something that Detective Lugo said.

I'm sure now he's 13 or 14, but at the time he was 10 or 11.

Not any older than that.

And very bright.

Jeffrey actually was older than that.

He was 13 when he identified Daisy's body.

He was 16 when he died of multiple gunshot wounds just three years later.

When Detective Sanchez spoke of him, he said in the present tense, he's a young kid.

You know, I'm not going to tell you how old he is, but he's a young kid.

He was very courageous to say, hey, listen, you know, I think I know who that is, right?

I found myself in this strange situation because now i was the one who had news to share with the detectives i had to tell them that their main witness the teenager who helped them solve daisy's murder had also been the victim of a homicide i didn't really know how to share this news lugo had been on a tight schedule when we first talked and i had so many questions about daisy's case that it seemed like it wasn't the right time to ask about another one.

Detective Sanchez and I talked just a few days after that.

and during the end of our conversation, I decided to bring it up.

I have another case that I wanted to ask you about.

Is it a homicide?

Yeah, it's a homicide case.

Did I handle it?

I don't know.

I don't know who's handling it.

Maybe you can tell me who is.

Figuring out the words to say was really tough.

So I decided to pull up a local news article on my phone.

It didn't mention Jeffrey by name, presumably because he was a minor, but I decided to read the first couple of lines of it to Sanchez and see if it rang a bell.

A 16-year-old boy was killed in Compton.

Sheriff's Department said a man was also found at the scene who had non-life-threatening injuries.

And so, this is the homicide department's number.

I just don't know if you're working this case, and I'll tell you why.

It's not, it's not totally random.

Um, I'm listening, but so, so, this case, the 16-year-old boy that was killed is Jeffrey.

No way,

no way,

it's the first time I've heard it.

Holy shit,

Sanchez and I sat there in the conference room in silence.

He looked visibly uncomfortable.

I mean, his mouth was literally hanging open, and his eyes kept darting back and forth between me and Miguel, who had been sitting next to me holding the microphone across the table.

It was as if Sanchez wasn't sure whether we were playing some kind of sick joke on him.

I didn't know what to say.

Finally, I broke the silence.

Yeah, so I guess I would just be curious to know if there's any sort of headway in that investigation.

Let me look into it.

Okay.

Why'd you.

You just ruined me.

That's part of my French.

Yeah, I'm sorry to tell you that.

I know, I know.

I wanted to tell you earlier, but I knew it would derail kind of, I wanted to find out about the momentum.

I would have walked out.

I know, I know.

It's so upsetting.

Now I'm going to call the mom.

I know.

I really want to know what happened.

Because I feel like there's things that happen like that, you know, all over LA all the time.

And then you never hear about it.

And you're like, what happened to this kid?

Or what was their name?

What was their story?

I'm sure you deal with that a lot too.

You put a demo, I did.

I'm going to have to talk.

I know, me too.

Me too.

I'm going to have to go fill this thing with vodka or something.

Oh, my God.

I know.

I've been sitting with this knowledge and so, yeah, upset about it, but I would love to know if there's any.

I'll look into it.

Okay.

And if the investigators are willing to talk,

I'll forward them to you.

Thank you.

Because he's a part of Daisy's story.

And like you said, he's a a part of why Victor ended up getting convicted, you know?

Damn.

Holy crap.

Yeah, and he was 16.

Pardon my French.

I speak a lot of French.

Edit that, Miguel.

Alright, dude, that's messed up.

I wish the mom would have called me.

She wouldn't have called me.

You don't know who's working it?

I'll have to look.

Okay.

I'll have to look.

Okay.

I'll have to.

So I'll have to ask

the guys at the front desk to say hey

Damn.

Come on.

This is your job.

Yeah, but that kid was a good kid.

Like and he

was Daisy.

I know, I know.

I mean, yeah.

Damn, poor kid.

I remember walking the kid into the courtroom.

Like, right?

Like he, like.

The key with my kid, like, you know, hey, don't worry about it.

You'll be good.

That's messed up.

I'm Jen Swan from London Audio, iHeartRadio, and executive producer Paris Hilton.

This is my friend Daisy.

Episode 10, Cat Eyes.

After I told Sanchez about Jeffrey, I knew I had to tell Luco too.

He agreed to meet me at the Homicide Bureau for a follow-up interview.

And that's when I filled him in on my conversation with Sanchez.

The other thing that I told him during our interview, and I don't know if he told you too, was that I found out that Jeffrey, the main witness, was murdered.

Yes.

Yeah.

Did you know about that?

Yes.

It's very tragic.

He was such a nice boy, but

he's just a victim of the area, right?

I think

it's so dangerous for them in the area.

It's almost heartbreaking that

things like this occur in Compton.

Lugo's response was surprising to me, especially because when we first sat down in his office just two weeks earlier, he gave no indication that he knew about this other homicide case, about how it dovetailed with Daisy's.

And so I asked him, Do you remember where you were when you learned about Jeffrey?

About his murder?

Yeah.

Maybe it was the way he hesitated or restated my question, or maybe it was just the stark difference in his reaction versus Detective Sanchez's.

But I had this feeling that he was not being honest with me.

He'd always been a little defensive when speaking about Daisy's case, and I understood why.

Here I was questioning him about what he'd been doing during the investigation and why Daisy's friends felt like they had to start their own.

But I guess I thought that since this case wasn't one that he was working on, he might be a little more forthcoming with me.

But to me, it felt like he was again assuming the role of the detective with all the answers, the football coach with all the plays.

As we walked out of the conference room, I began to question other things that he had told me about Daisy's case, about how he'd been working the investigation, about how difficult it was, about how exactly Victor had been caught.

And I wondered, could I really trust any of it?

In the hallway, Luco stopped and introduced me to a detective named Joe Purcell.

He's an old-timer who trained Luco here.

That was about three decades ago.

This is Jennifer Swan.

She's a podcaster.

She used to write for New York Magazine once she was a little bit more.

Oh, is that right?

Yeah, yeah.

I'm a freelancer

doing a podcast about a story that I covered a couple years ago.

Oh, no.

Kidding.

Yeah.

About a murder in Compton.

Oh, first aid.

That's never happened before.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe he didn't mean it that way, but it sounded like what some of Daisy's neighbors had imagined the police might say.

A murder in Compton?

That's never happened before.

Like it was some kind of joke, some kind of punchline.

Compton murder, but we cut the guy at Papa's Beer in Realty.

Real the Reader Beach.

Is that right?

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, it had been a couple of months and the family, you know, the family was wondering what's going on with this.

Why isn't he arrested?

So they they put out their own TikToks and Instagram trying to find him.

And on the same day.

I felt like I had to jump in and explain that the police had gotten this big assist from social media.

They were like putting his photo out.

People were calling, blowing up your cell phone and saying, I've seen him here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

See him everywhere.

And it could be dangerous, right?

If the parents, in this case, it worked out fine, but I was telling her

it could be dangerous if they wanted to be someone and they put his picture up as a murder class bank.

And it turns out someone else committed the murder.

Lugo was always downplaying the role of social media in solving this case.

Like when I first interviewed him in this office just a couple weeks earlier, I asked him about the moment he saw the screenshot showing Victor at Papa's and Beer.

He told me he barely saw it.

It came, yeah,

I remember seeing it late in the evening.

Maybe we're so busy

during this time.

And

I remember seeing something to that effect.

And we already knew where he was at.

And we're not here to, and I told you this already, Jennifer.

Our relationship,

we wanted to be, those are our victims, right?

Susie has suffered enough.

And I know.

She was upset for a time because nothing was being done,

but we have to wait to make sure that

we have to be able to prove it, right?

We can't just arrest someone and then we have to cut him loose and then he leaves to a country that we don't have a treaty with and we'll never get him back, right?

Okay, maybe it's worth pointing out that Luco actually did have proof.

This is based on his own admission.

He had the DNA match.

Sanchez confirmed this when he gave testimony at trial.

He said the CODIS hit came back less than two and a half weeks after Daisy's murder.

The first results came back on March 12th.

And the official letter from the California Department of Justice, that came back March 18th.

Anyway, I was curious about this screenshot, about how it led to Victor's arrest.

But when I asked Lugo about it, he seemed almost agitated by the question.

I don't want to get in an argument, and if they think they had a lot to do with it, I want them to...

It's okay, right?

It takes the team and whatever.

But we know what we did.

We know

who we talked to.

We know once the flyer went out

with the arrest

and wanted all over social media.

That's when things happen.

But if they want to believe that it was them and all of them, that's okay too.

This flyer that he's talking about, it's the one the sheriff's department put out on Facebook.

Lugo is saying that it was this social media post that led to Victor's arrest, not the ones put out by Daisy's friends and family.

But those TikToks had apparently made an impression on the detectives.

That's at least according to Victor.

When I interviewed him recently, he told me that when he came into the office for his interrogation, which, you know, never actually happened because Victor didn't know what a lawyer was.

He told me that that was true.

The detectives, he claimed, had teased him for being famous on TikTok.

Here's how Victor says that conversation went.

How did you become aware that they were looking for you on TikTok?

Uh,

detectives told me

they're just

calling me names,

telling me that

all you're seeing is like you were on TikTok.

So, what really happened?

Did Victor get arrested because he was TikTok famous?

Was it the Instagram DM that led to his arrest?

Or was it the voicemail that Sanchez said that he got that very same morning that Susie saw the screenshot?

I realized I wasn't going to get a straight answer out of the detectives.

If I really wanted to get answers, I had to take matters into my own hands.

I had to go to the scene of Victor's arrest.

I showed up to Papa's and Beer on a weekday afternoon.

It was the off-season, and the bar was nearly empty, which was honestly a little weird for a place that feels a bit like a cruise ship docked on the beach.

There's this sprawling outdoor area, and there's clusters of tables surrounding a mechanical bowl and a live music stage that sits directly on the sand.

I ended up taking a seat inside.

It was kind of a smaller It felt more like a sports bar, with wood-paneled countertops, big-screen TVs, and loud reggae and rap music blasting over the speakers.

I ordered nachos and I started talking to the bartender.

And when I told him about why I was there, his eyes lit up.

He had followed Victor's murder case.

He'd even tracked down news footage from the trial.

When I see his mom in the news, she's touched my feelings.

She touched your feelings.

Yes, like what?

what daisy's mother yeah

it's hard when we lost uh life innocent life it's hard when we lose innocent life the bartender said he didn't want to be identified by name so i'm just going to refer to him as the bartender

he said that he felt for daisy's mother and for victors that he was shocked by the details that emerged at trial and the reason he was so invested The reason he wanted to see how the story had ended is because he himself had been part of it.

Victor had been his coworker.

He's nice guys, quiet, relaxed.

He's coming and doing his job.

Nobody had suspected that he'd been hiding in plain sight after committing a murder across the border.

I mean, the bartender did think it was a little weird that his new coworker came from the U.S.

to work in Mexico, essentially as a food runner, especially because he really didn't even speak much Spanish.

But the bartender never questioned the only two things he thought he knew about his coworker.

That his name was Billy and that he was from Arizona.

Both, of course, would turn out to be lies.

Anything else then he told Shaban?

Billy the Kid.

Where else?

He's not really, don't touch you, nobody.

Billy the Kid, the Wild West outlaw who went on the run after committing a series of murders.

It was the nickname nickname this bartender had given to Victor, having no idea just how fitting it really was.

The bartender's main impression of him was just that he kept to himself,

except for when he was drinking.

That's when he became an entirely different person.

The bartender described this version of Victor as aggressive, violent, unpredictable.

How long did he work here for?

He's coming by

in April.

April?

April?

Yes, the first days of April.

And he worked like three months

when the police.

He was arrested July 2nd, I think.

See?

Yeah.

Like three months.

Wow, that's a while.

Did he ever, do you think he ever went back and forth?

Because people kept saying they saw him in LA, but maybe they saw somebody else.

Uh-huh.

Probably they think it was somebody else, but so you think he never left once he got here?

No.

He was always here.

He always here.

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Finding out just how many months Victor had been in Mexico made me rethink so much of what I thought I knew about the hunt for him.

It meant that all of those sightings of Victor, all around Southern California and all of these surrounding states,

they were sightings of guys who weren't actually Victor.

It made me think of people like Valerie Ariano.

She went to high school with Daisy and she thought she may have seen Victor on the train platform.

She and so many others were on high alert for months watching their backs around Compton and Southeast LA.

And it also made me think of the skateboarders or maybe the guys with gauged ears who had repeatedly been mistaken for a murderer.

I thought about what could have happened if someone had tried to capture the wrong person.

When I talked to Victor on the phone, He didn't specify exactly when he left for Mexico.

He just said that he had been eating breakfast one morning at a shopping center, which is really casual, right?

And he met someone who was on their way to Mexico.

Victor suspected that authorities might be looking for him, and so he decided to catch a bus with this person.

He claimed that he later discovered he'd been recruited into some kind of drug smuggling operation, so he ran away.

Next thing he knew, he found himself bussing tables at Papa's and Beer.

I can't confirm this story, but it did make a lot of sense what the bartender was telling me, which is that Victor had been in Mexico nearly the whole time he'd been on the run.

Sticking around LA or crossing back and forth across the border, it would have been risky for someone who had just committed a heinous crime.

Then again, it was also risky to be working at a tourist bar.

That's something the bartender couldn't quite figure out either.

I don't understand

why he's coming and working this place.

Yeah, it's such a strange place because it's so visible.

It's so like public.

Yeah yeah exactly.

And when he's busy right here, thousands are coming from lay from everywhere, those courses.

You know, it's kind of wild to me that Victor went under the radar for as long as he did while working in such a popular place.

But eventually, his past caught up with him, as it almost always does.

He was having beers with some coworkers after work.

The busy season of spring break had finally ended, and they were looking to relax.

The bartender I talked to told me that he usually didn't like to go out drinking with his coworkers.

But that night, he made an exception.

He got a bottle of tequila for the table.

Everyone was celebrating.

One of his coworkers decided to film a video of the group.

And I should point out that this was actually a different coworker than the one who sent that video to the Justice for Daisy Instagram page.

The guy who took this video, he didn't know at the time that the food runner known as Billy was wanted for murder.

Nobody did.

He took the video, I assume for the same reason that anyone does.

He wanted content for the Graham, something to post on the feed.

Evidence of a good time had.

On a sunny, breezy morning in early July, the good times came to an end.

Victor showed up to work in the morning.

It was July 2nd, and he began sweeping the streets.

It was part of his job to clean the windows and all the outdoor areas of the bar.

That's when the Rosarito police pulled up, got out of the car, and handcuffed Victor.

The bartender had no idea what was going on.

He just remembered that the arrest happened really quickly.

There was no big struggle.

There was no argument.

It was all over in a minute.

The bartender said his boss later pulled him aside.

He looked distraught.

He'd come across a video on TikTok and discovered that Billy the kid was actually Victor, the fugitive.

So he called the police.

And then he felt bad about it.

The bartender said he tried to comfort his boss.

My boss, he

But the more I dug into that history, the more I talked to people in all these different places, the more complex it became.

I had come down to Mexico in search of the definitive story of how Victor came to be arrested.

I had been thinking that there were only a couple of possible explanations, and I was hoping that whoever I talked to at the bar might be able to confirm one of them from me.

It was either the Instagram DM or it was the phone call that Sancha said he got as a result of the sheriff's Facebook post.

But here I was at the bar presented with a third scenario.

Victor's boss had seen Daisy's friend's TikTok, and he called the police on him.

Maybe Victor being TikTok famous did have a lot to do with his arrest.

I mean, it's possible that all of these scenarios unfolded roughly at the same time.

Maybe there's no way to know for sure, but what seems clear to me is that in all of these scenarios, the arrest was a direct result of social media, whether it was a TikTok or an Instagram DM or a Facebook post.

The influence of these platforms was huge.

And maybe it's cheesy to say, but it really is a testament to the power of the internet, of social media, of information traveling and converging at exactly the right moment, being seen by exactly the right people, all of them in different cities, honestly different countries, and all of them with the same goal of getting justice for Daisy.

And they did it.

They found her killer, and they made sure that nobody would forget Daisy's name or her story.

Jeffrey's mother, Wendy, is still waiting on justice and wondering what that might look like in her son's case.

I reached out to both detectives assigned to it.

They said it was an act of investigation and that they couldn't comment on it.

I also submitted multiple public records requests.

I wanted to get police reports from that day.

They all got denied for the same reason.

They told me it was an ongoing investigation.

Then, I requested a copy of Jeffrey's autopsy report.

Thanks for calling the medical examiner's office.

This is the records section.

How can I help you?

The LA County Medical Examiner Building is on the east side of LA, kind of near where the five and the ten freeways meet.

It's housed in this brick building from the early 1900s, and it's got marble walls and these big chandeliers.

The place looks regal.

But inside, people are having some of the worst days of their lives.

They come here to get autopsy reports, but also to do things like collect their loved ones' belongings after they've been sent to the morgue.

It's pretty heart-wrenching stuff.

I waited in the lobby, and then I was escorted down into the basement where all the records are stored.

Do you want to do a card?

Yeah, I'll do a card.

I handed over my credit card, and I was given a manila envelope.

I walked down the hallway, took a seat on a wooden bench, and opened up the envelope.

I started thumbing through the report.

It was about 30 pages long.

And as I flipped through it, I found a summary of what detectives believe happened on the day that Jeffree was killed, which is this.

Jeffrey and a few friends had ordered a pizza.

When the pizza delivery guy got there, this is according to the report.

Jeffrey and another friend flashed guns and attempted to steal his jewelry and cash.

At some point, a pizza delivery guy apparently took hold of one of the guns.

One of Jeffree's friends ran away, and at some point, about a dozen shots were fired.

The police know this because of the bullet casings they found on the ground.

Most were from a rifle.

Some were from a handgun.

But that's about all the authorities know for certain.

That and the fact that three different bullets pierced Jeffree's body.

One in his arm, one in his chest, one in his head.

As far as I know, the police have not charged anyone for Jeffree's murder.

Again, they've told me that the investigation is ongoing.

This is also what they've told Wendy, his mother.

One way that she's been attempting to process her grief is by posting videos of Jeffrey on TikTok,

by remembering the good times and sharing them with others.

I can see the brown in your eyes.

Let me see.

Let me see.

Let me see.

This video was taken at the Mall Food Court.

Jeffrey was wearing a white hoodie and sipping on a purple smoothie.

And that day, I remember we were sitting, and then I was recording him, and I told him, I'm like, dude, you don't even have green eyes.

I see all brown and just like teasing him around.

And he's like, he's like, all shy and everything.

And I'm like, Jeffrey, let me see your eyes.

And he's like, he's like hiding.

He's like, no, mom, stop.

And I'm like, let me see.

How old was he there?

Uh, this was, oh, it was last year.

The beginning of last year.

Yeah.

The beginning of last year.

February 23.

It was filmed on February 23rd, 2023.

It only hit me later that that date was the anniversary of Daisy's death.

It was exactly two years to the day after Jeffrey identified her body.

The day after his death, Wendy uploaded this video to TikTok.

She put a sentimental music track over it.

The lyrics went, I didn't know today would be your last.

Jeffrey's smiling and laughing in the video.

When he looks into the camera, his eyes are, of course, green.

R.I.P., miohitos degato, Wendy wrote on the video, my little cat eyes.

I didn't have any followers.

I had just started my page.

And I started with my

little dog.

My little dog.

Oh, yeah, I saw that.

with the little my little dog my kids stuff like that uh-huh this little chickwag that i have then i just posted a few videos of my mom after that when she passed away oh my gosh and then that was the first video that i posted of jeffrey which was that one it was the one that went viral has a million views

that's i'm telling you that's why that's why i noticed it went viral and then i got a lot of how do you think it was viral i don't know wow i don't even know i don't know i don't know how they go viral but

i guess it started popping up on everybody's like for you page or something.

That's right.

This video has over a million views.

It reminded me of something that Sarah Turney, that true crime TikToker and podcaster I spoke to in the first episode, told me.

She said that TikTok, it's kind of like a slot machine, and you never really know what's going to hit, what's going to be rewarded by the algorithm.

In Wendy's case, it was this short clip of her son just being himself, being a kid in a food court with his mom.

Wendy wasn't using TikTok to try to find his killer.

It wasn't a call to action.

It was simply a way of remembering Jeffrey.

And maybe of finding comfort from strangers.

Wendy scrolled through her phone and showed me more photos of Jeffrey over the years.

Some of them were goofy.

They captured these random, silly moments at home.

I found a video the other day.

I was going through my pictures, and then I saw a video of he's like, Yeah, I'm a YouTuber, and my mom's mad because I don't give her her phone back.

I'm like, dude, what you're doing it on my phone.

I was like, Of course, I want my phone.

Wait, was he actually a YouTuber, or was he making fun of YouTubers?

No, what he was, I guess he was like, um, he wanted to be a YouTuber.

He's like, Hey guys, welcome to my YouTube channel.

And I don't know what, like, this is a famous YouTuber.

I'm like, dude, you're not even anything yet.

Like, be quiet.

And there were other photos and videos that marked these big milestones.

Where was that?

He's all dressed up.

He graduated.

That's when he graduated from middle school.

He looks very serious.

He was mad because I was having him post everywhere at the park.

He's like, mom, another photo?

Yeah, he's like, mom, just take one or two pictures and that's it.

It was so funny.

Because it was hot.

He's like, mom, stop.

It's hot already.

And now you're glad you have all the photos, you know?

Yeah, that's what I told my kids i'm like dude you guys can't be mad at me trying to take pictures or videos i'm like because that's all i'm gonna keep memories i'm like you guys are gonna get older and all that like nobody's gonna know anything about you guys i'm like only me

i'm like only me i'll have all the memories yeah

this series is dedicated to the memories of daisy de lau and jeffrey tinoco

thank you so much to everyone who shared their memories of of them with me, including Juan De La Ho, Daisy's grandfather.

He died in late 2024.

And thank you so much to all of you for listening.

Hi, everyone.

This is Paris.

Thanks for listening to My Friend Daisy.

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My Friend Daisy is a production of London Audio with support from Sony Music Entertainment.

It's reported, written, and executive produced by me, Jen Swan.

I'm also your host.

Our executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce Gersh, Bruce Robertson, and Joanna Studebaker.

Our executive producer for Sony Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch.

Our associate producer is Zoe Kulkin.

Production Assistance and Translations by Miguel Contreras.

Sound Design, Composing, and Mixing by Hans Dale Shee.

Tracy Lee fact-checked this episode.

Joel Rickert is our legal counsel for this series.

Our head of production is Sammy Allison, and our production manager is Tamika Balance-Kolosny.

Special thanks to Steve Akerman, Emily Rossick, and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben Goldberg, and Orly Greenberg at UTA, and Jen Ortiz at The Cut.

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