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How did Space Jam come into play for you?

About nine people said, you know, Michael really wants you to be in Space Jam, which is like, I get a kick out saying this all the time.

I like to pimp Michael all the time, whatever I can, but

Michael really wants you to be in Space Jam.

And all you have to do is not.

That's all you got to do.

Because it just means, you know,

I bet you Mike can find my phone number.

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Our guest is the one and only Sandman, Adam Sandlin.

Boys, I'm so happy to see both of you guys.

Before Before we get off of Happy Gilmore, though, I'm actually curious.

I'm not familiar with how the original thought process of the movie came about.

Oh, okay, yeah.

And I'm a little, I'm pretty curious.

Like,

was it just you just messing around on a golf course and it kind of connecting the dots or what?

It was my dad, like I said, he liked golf.

We used to go to the driving range a lot.

And I had a great friend, Kyle McDonough, who ended up playing pro hockey.

A great hockey player.

In New Hampshire, it's a big hockey town.

Oh, yeah, hell yeah.

Yeah.

So, so Kyle came out with me and my dad, and he didn't play much golf, but he was banging them.

We were young, maybe ninth grade or something, something like that.

And he was banging him.

My father kept saying, man, you hockey players, there's something about your wrist or the way you turn or something like that.

And

I just was like, I think I was in college or finishing up college or just maybe 23.

And I

thought, man, man, that'd be pretty funny to see a guy with a hockey mentality have such a big hit that he gets up, gets on the tour.

And I remember calling my dad and telling my dad about it and going, What do you think?

And he was like, It could be pretty good.

We'll see.

You know, we'll see.

We'll see.

But me and my buddy Hurlihi, who I write all the movies with, we would write that and we'd call my dad and say, Does this make sense?

And golf, do you, when you put, what do you think?

Like, and it's all in the hips and stuff like that that was my dad i would say oh my god what is it he said it's all in the hips baby it's all the hips and that's why we wrote that you know chubs

as football players we got to leave with this how many football guys come up to you and talk about the water boy man i hear boucher a lot yeah he's i'm very proud that i got to be bobby boucher i have met uh i've i've

met a lot of great nfl fellas who have talked to me about bobby and bobby's mama and foosball.

Just foosball.

Just foosball.

Making sure mama don't find out.

I'm playing foosball, that kind of shit.

Yes.

Did you play growing up?

I played Pot Warner until

12.

I played till 12.

I was a quarterback in Pot Warner.

I was playing baseball and then I was a pitcher and I was 11.

And Ken.

Ken Stillman, the coach of the team, came over and talked to my parents and said, maybe Adam could be a quarterback and my mother was like oh adam doesn't play football and my father was like let him play because my father played football actually okay and he was a linebacker

so yeah so then i got in there uh uh i got on the team played two years at pop warner and it was it was amazing so cool man you told us about how uh happy gilmore got how does how did you create a Creole southern

like where did the

inspiration I'm not sure if you heard us we were literally like I don't know how he didn't win more awards for this.

This was ridiculously good.

This is before I had seen Life is Beautiful.

Roberto Benini did a great job with that.

He did very good music.

He stepped it up for that shit.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I wasn't getting Oscars.

I never thought of that stuff when I was doing Boucher, but

I couldn't believe it.

It was like we had this idea.

A water boy gets picked on a lot.

You know, a coach thinks he could be, you know, sees him throw a nasty hit and then says, maybe you should be on the team.

That was kind of

the idea.

And we were like, let's make him from the south.

Let's make him Cajun.

And then we just went from there, man.

We just, I don't know how it happened.

We just filled out a script like that.

So good.

So good.

It probably felt right as it came together too.

You're just like, man, this is coming together so smooth.

Because it's start to finish, that thing is perfect.

Oh, dude.

I mean, we were so excited writing that.

Thank you.

Thanks for all these compliments, guys.

Honestly, I love you.

I appreciate it.

But so

I remember with The Water Boy, we wanted that he had a very protective mama.

And

there was this movie, Carrie.

It was

a terrifying movie.

And

an over-protective mom who didn't want...

her daughter to be around anything too

heavy.

And anyways, so we kind of wrote a mom like that that's overprotective to bobby and and so he had to sneak around and play his foosball and shit

so good man

that's right

92 percenters please welcome mr ben athlete

what's up

we heard that you once uh got to run routes with tom brady all right what was it like what was that like did you how many completions did we get what were you running what kind of routes were you running i won't lie to you I don't know if they have a name, but

I'm sure I disgraced every receiver that's ever run a route.

But to this day,

aside from the birth of my children, that was the greatest ever.

I was like, dude, are you?

He was like, I need someone to play catch with.

Happened to be on vacation at the same place with him.

And he was like, you want to come down?

And I was like, oh, this was, so this was legit.

This was as legit as it gets that.

helping tom get ready for the season like i don't know how much i was helping him i think it was like he was like i'm gonna blow this dude's mouth

work and we literally got down there and first he's like you know i'm gonna he's like okay go out here turn around turn around

and i'm like

run as fast as i can turn around i fixed it look at him look he's been waiting 45 minutes you know

guns the ball me i'm like i caught it because i was afraid he'd break in my nose more than anything else and then after a few of those he's like all right we'll put some hair on it i was like no no, no, no, no, it's already, it's already playing fast.

Yeah,

that was what I was about to ask you.

That's what I was about to ask you.

Did he actually spin it?

Like, he ripped you apart?

You know, what I found was that, like, in a way, you catch it out of self-defense.

I didn't even think I was,

you know, and I found myself with the football just to like

fight her reflexes.

But the greatest moment of that experience was he was like, after we played, you know, he had me running around.

I'm, you know, he throw me the ball and it was amazing, right?

It was like a, like I felt like a 10-year-old kid.

He's like, okay, come here.

And I get to him and he's like, it's the Super Bowl.

Fourth quarter.

We have 23 seconds.

It's fourth and 18.

I was like, Tom knows what he's doing, man.

He's like, just run.

Dude, this is why he's the best.

This is why he's the best.

This is his mindset, dude.

He was amazing, dude.

He goes, and just run straight.

Don't turn around.

And I was like, he's like, I'm going to get you the ball in the the end zone.

I was like, don't turn around.

He was like, don't look back.

So I am like,

and I believed it.

He told me, I was like, I'm in the Super Bowl.

So he's like, look, look, calls it out.

And I start running.

I don't look back.

I'm sure to him it seemed like this.

He's like, I've never seen somebody run in slow motion before.

Like to me,

fast as you can go.

And I could keep it.

I'm like wondering, when's this ball going to show up?

And I look, I just feel it like right out in front of me.

and it was a little far for me I think he was like he probably adjusted back

and I reach out and I have to go all the extend I fucking catch the ball

turn around like I won the fucking thing

it was incredible I called everybody I knew For two days I was on the so tell me and I went down to go to the I think they thought I was lying to him so they got but it was like the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me and i lived a full life of dreams right in that whatever it was hour of playing cash you had a real life

you had a real life sandlot moment you were smalls dude

just put that glove up

all right i'm gonna get it to you in the end zone i mean and it's like when he looked at it it felt like this is exactly what he looks like when it really is the super well you know what i mean Like, and he's one of those guys going back to that thing.

I thought, I've often wondered, because he seems so relaxed, like oddly relaxed.

I've often wondered if that's part of it.

Like, just not, you know, when everyone else has that anxiety, because it's, you know, whatever, 20 seconds to go in the fourth quarter, if you can have that, like, calm and that awareness.

I think it's a huge, huge advantage.

There's a story, I don't know if it's true, about Joe Montana, that the Super Bowl, he threw the cash to Wayne Clark.

And the play before that, he got into the huddle and he was looking into the stands.

And

the team came back and they were like, what?

And he goes, hey, look over there.

Is that John Candy?

And they're all going to be Candy.

And there's a crowd of circles.

And then they just like turn back around.

But he was like looking over to be like, oh, shit, that's John Candy.

All right, fuck it.

Let's go.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, he was just casual.

And I feel like that always made sense.

If you've ever met Joe Montana, that's a smooth son of a buck right there.

He's a cool cat man.

He's a laid-back dude.

I believe it.

Making his new heights debut.

Please welcome.

It's the one and only Lil Dickie Baby.

Yes, sir.

What is your welcome to the industry moment?

Another story I've never told that just came into my head that's perfect for this moment.

Oh my gosh.

Celebrity basketball game.

Ooh.

I don't know where this is.

Somewhere in LA, and much earlier in my career than I deserved to be.

Like,

when I looked at the lineup, it was like, it was like Floyd Mayweather, Snoop Dogg, Chris Brown, like John Wall.

It was like stacked.

And I had no mainstream.

I had like a couple of viral.

I don't know how I got in the game to the point where I actually put a lot of stock and import in this game that I got there an hour early to warm up because I literally thought like a way that I could like get ahead in this like industry faster will be like scoring 30 points in this game and really dominant.

It's like I literally went there because I was like, this is a big opportunity

to like advance my career.

This is my chance.

And I am a fucking somehow dunk on Snoop Dogg.

And I've seen so many celeb games where I'm like, these guys suck, you know?

And so I was excited to go there and really, you know, and a few things happened.

One, I'm there warming up by myself and Chris Brown walks in.

He completely comes in.

First time I ever saw Chris Brown.

And so I'm like blown away by like just seeing him.

He walks right up to me and he goes, you're a dope rapper.

And I was like, and it was so early, Mike.

I would never expect him to know who I am.

And like, to have like an icon in the music industry who has like countless number, it's just like him saying that to me meant everything.

That was the impetus of Freaky Friday us meeting there.

That's step one.

That's like the least important part of the story.

Then,

then we play and the game starts.

I'm not in the starting lineup, nowhere close.

It's like, you know, it's the people I named.

My coach is John Wall.

The way he,

the way he, well, not actually, because

the way John Wall went about operating his team was he did five in, five out.

So he had starting five, then he just complete subs.

Yeah, so I'm in the next five.

He says, he tells me, grab Chris, like Chris Brown.

Oh, no.

So I

go up to, by the way, every time Chris Brown touches the ball in this game.

No, it's just like...

It's just like screen.

It's like it's bizarre.

Everyone go nuts.

Like every time he touches the ball, it's like, you know, when people boo in Philly when they come back, when Hardin gets the ball, it was like the opposite of that.

So I'm told to get Chris Brown.

So I walk up to Chris and I go, like, yo, I'm in for you.

And he goes, I'm not coming out.

Oh, that's awkward.

And then there's 11 guys on the court.

Everyone is like matched up.

Like, I'm clearly the audience.

I look to John Wall.

Can you help?

It's like direction.

Coach, like, and he goes, John Wall goes, like,

and he

brings me back over.

First thing I say is like, John, like, get a grip and like have some like authority on your team.

It's just like humiliating to like send me out there and then pull me back in.

It's like so emasculating.

It's so good.

And then

they're playing and then I get in like the next five or whatever.

I get in the game.

I get in the game.

I get the ball.

I drive aggressively.

I go up.

I get to the rim.

I get fouled so hard by Deontay Wilder,

at the time, heavyweight champion of the world.

Dude, like everyone went like,

like everyone, like the whole gym went like, because I thought like I really got hurt.

I didn't hurt that.

I think the, I don't know, it didn't really hurt that much.

I took it.

In the moment,

I get up, I miss two free throws, and then I play one more meaningless minute.

And then I just didn't even, I like moved to the end of the bench and just chose not to even make myself available for the rest of the game.

But that was a real, like, there was like several different moments in there that felt like,

like, welcome to the industry.

That was like the first time I think I I ever

was on Giddy Images.

You know what I mean?

Where there was like watermarked images of like me talking to Snoop.

Please welcome Bill Murray.

Thank you.

Who's your favorite, I don't know, actor or person you've worked with in the film industry?

You did Space Champ with Michael Jordan?

Well, he was probably the best

shooting guard that I worked with.

Larry, the best small forward.

And

actually, Larry was the best.

He was in that movie too.

He was the best small forward.

So good.

That was fun.

That was a very fun movie.

We played golf in between scenes.

It was a lot of fun.

I don't want to get too much into Space Jam, but it is one of the childhood favorites of ours

and so many others, man.

How How did Space Jam come into play for you?

Were you just like, because you were so in the sports world as well, like your fandom and your ability to kind of dive into all these sports, did that play into

getting the role or?

So I knew Ivan Reitman, who I'd made a couple of movies with already, Ghostbusters and Stripes and Meat Pulse, he was a producer on it.

It was a Warner Brothers movie, I think.

And they had to build a basketball court for Michael on the lot

and they built like a serious basketball court with a weight room.

Yeah,

and it was like the game.

Like if you were an American basketball player, you had to suck your way into that game every night.

And Michael would play after work when they were on location or on the set

in the studio.

And it was like a real serious wood floor gym and the whole deal.

And that was a real, like every, if you, no matter what team you played for, you had to get into that game because that was who was who and who wasn't.

That's so cool.

But they, I don't know, I just like to say that about nine people said, you know, Michael really wants you to be in Space Jam, which is like, I get a kick out of saying this all the time.

I pimp Michael all the time, whatever I can, but Michael really wants you to be in Space Jam.

And all you have to do is not.

That's all you got to do is be.

Because it just means, you know,

I bet you Mike can find my phone number.

Yeah, right.

I bet you if he sets his mind to it, he could find my phone.

Or he could find out where I live or even, you know, walk up on the street.

Not a hard question.

But basically, I know there are people like that in the world, and you'll meet them.

They feel like they never want to be indebted to anybody for anything.

They don't want to owe anybody anything.

So they'll have their people sort of ask something.

Have you ever noticed this?

Yes, of course.

So they'll have someone else ask for you.

So I knew exactly, day one, I knew exactly what was coming here.

I heard it from everybody.

I probably heard it from like 13 different people.

And the more people, the more I enjoyed it because I knew it was like, that son of a bitch is just twisting, knowing he's got to ask me himself.

But it was good.

He finally did.

God bless him.

And it turns out.

Did you go to the golf course?

Where did he find you?

I don't really remember.

I don't really remember, but it was good.

I was glad I was there.

And I...

contributed to that movie.

You had to have gotten in at least one of the games.

Oh, no.

No, no.

I mean, I don't think I may have just only shot a basket before the game.

That game was like, I mean, they were emptying prisons to get into that game.

They would never be allowed to play in the NBA that were playing in that game.

There were just some amazing athletes

in that game.

And like the best high school players that try to show up there, and they'd just, Michael just kicked their ass.

He just

people would come in there and think of that game and Michael just murder him.

He was a killer.

So we recently reviewed Roadhouse, the original Patrick Swayze film.

Yes, there is a legend out there that

you used to call the husband of Kelly Lynch, who plays Dr.

Clay, anytime

a particular scene came on with Patrick Swayze on the television.

Is this rumor true?

One of the hardest things I ever

had to do

was to call a friend.

And at a late hour, I mean, very, very late.

And not without

some

back and forth, should I, shouldn't I, should I, shouldn't I?

And as a friend,

I did not

I did not identify myself, but I just said,

hey,

as a friend,

I think you should probably turn on TBS right now.

Oh, God.

Because

that son of a bitch, Pat Swaysey, is

slamming to your wife on the piece of work.

Oh my gosh.

Swayze, Swayze.

May you rest in peace.

Do a lot of wonderful things.

A beloved guy, but that was wrong what he did.

Dude, this is why you're the legendary.

God, that's so good.

Thank you for this gold man.

He's wrong.

He's wrong.

It's the goddamn Terminator.

That's right, we got Arnold Twenty today.

Woo!

Wow.

Fire up, baby.

That was fantastic.

That's got a beautiful ball.

As long as Artie approves me.

You can't believe it's the baby oil.

She's supposed to be oiled up when you introduce me.

That was great.

That was really fantastic.

I love the grandkids.

I mean, she brings them over on the weekends on Saturday.

And then, you know, I have, of course, the animals.

Oh, it's easy to

be a granddaddy, right?

So

I say, kids, you want to help me feed the animals?

I say, let's go and feed Schnelly, which is my pig.

And the pig is now, I got it at the pig when it was like 16 pounds.

Now it's like 100 pounds or whatever.

I mean, I don't know what happened.

But I I think someone felt like.

Bodybuilding.

Someone felt

bodybuilding.

It's a powerbilling.

So now they're feeding Schnelly and they teach him how to put it in his mouth and all of those kind of things.

Then they go over to the stall with me and they bring out the

miniature donkey, Lulu, and whiskey, the miniature pony, and then they feed them and they bring Apris over and feed them in order to.

How did you get into owning a miniature pony?

Well, it's it's

kind of Heather gave it to me, the miniature pony.

Oh, you Heather knight Heather?

And no, not the pony is actually Catherine's, but the donkey Heather gave me.

Okay.

And so what happened was Catherine had this pony.

And then all of a sudden when she started getting interested in boys,

all of a sudden the animals

were out.

Yeah.

She didn't pay any attention.

So I saw this pony down at the stall below where I live, in some public stall, and with other horses and miniature horses and stuff like that.

And so I said, Well, I'm going to bring it up to my house because it's stupid to have this miniature pony down there and doesn't get any attention.

I want to just have it walk around in the house, come into the house and stuff like that.

Of course.

So anyway, so that's what I did.

I had this pony and that's just that it walked around the house and I fed it and it was always fun.

And then Heather said,

she needs a companion.

So then Heather got me the

miniature donkey.

And so now I have Lulu and whiskey.

So the whiskey is the pony and the donkey is Lulu.

And so they hang.

But the question really is, so when you should see that,

when they all come in in the morning, I mean, it's like the donkey is in there, the pony is in there, the pig is in there begging for food, the three dogs are in there, everyone is sitting there on the floor and is waiting for the cookies because we are making these oatmeal cookies that have no sugar in it.

It's just like honey and

some

oatmeal is in there and a few things like that.

So

very, very healthy.

And so we feed the animals and they just sit there and they do anything you ask them to do if they get a cookie.

Thank you.

With food, as you know, with animals, with food, you can really can't.

It's a number one right there.

Make them do anything.

So, anyway, when Catherine comes over with her kids and they play with the animals like for hours, they just love it.

They just love it.

And can I pick up Cherry?

Which is the little dog that I have.

And so then Lila picks up Cherry.

And then Eloise picks up Cherry.

And then I want to hold Cherry.

Can I sit on a donkey?

Yeah,

of course you can sit on Lulu.

Then I put on Lulu.

And this is how it goes.

They're having a great time.

That sounds like a great time.

Love you.

Talk about it, man.

You can tell it's fun.

All right, last question.

If you were to reboot one of your movies and cast each of us in a role, what movie and who do you think we'd play?

Oh, I would definitely do Conan the Barbarian.

Imagine how real this is.

I mean, you don't have to change anything.

All you have to do is go on a hair out.

Go on a, no, you can put a wig on it.

Wait, no, no, no, no, that was a wig.

But

there was a partial wig.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, partial week.

But I mean, the thing is that they had also had short hairs, short hair in those days.

You don't have to do the long hair thing.

But I mean, that would be fantastic.

All you have to do is just learn how to horseback ride.

And maybe you guys know how to horseback ride.

I've been bucked off every horse I've ever been on that.

That is the key thing, is to really get good in horseback riding.

Okay.

Because, you know, when you do the sword fighting on a horse,

you really cannot pay much attention to the horse.

The horse goes around the circle and does its thing, but you have to pay attention to the sword, not to get whacked.

So, I mean, so that's the thing.

So, I think if you take sword fighting lessons, I took three years sword fighting lessons and three years horseback riding lessons and with all kinds of weaponry and the martial arts and all this stuff.

And it really was helpful to be that prepared when I did a movie.

But that's a key thing.

So, if you do that, I mean, imagine you guys

with the armor

with the big hammer and with the big battles and all that stuff.

And riding there into the village and just wiping out everyone.

Crush your enemies.

See them riven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

He's the two-time winner of People's Sexiest Man.

He's robbed probably about 50 times.

Brad Pitt!

That's right, baby.

I love the Eagles-Chiefs rivalry.

You know, I'm a Chiefs.

I'm a Missouri boy.

I'm a boy.

Yeah.

We got you this year, dog.

We got you this year, man.

I got you, man.

We We don't.

I let you down.

I'll let you down in our hearts, man.

Like, that's what I mean about life.

You know, life, life throws these struggles your way.

Sometimes everything's falling into place and

everything goes quiet and it's perfection.

It's sublime.

And other days

or other periods, life throws these struggles at you.

And it's how you deal with those and come back from those, I think, that are what makes sports movies so special.

But

I do have a confession.

You know, I'm friends with Bradley Cooper.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's your Prime Eagles fan.

That's right.

And I'm not saying

that I have the power

to

affect a game in any way.

I don't adhere to that kind of hubris.

But I did say last year, after the Eagles went out,

Chiefs were on their way to another victory.

And he was getting an award for the maestro, still probably one of the best movies in this decade.

And I was giving him this award.

And he's been nominated like 18 times for Oscars.

And I closed with:

now, did you guys hear this one?

No.

No.

No, no, no, dude.

I'm talked into it.

At the

Santa Barbara Film Awards, I closed with, listen, he's been nominated the 19th, 100th time.

You know, if he doesn't get it, it's okay.

He's used to it.

He's a Philadelphia Eagles fan.

That laid the ground right there.

I think he was happy this year.

No doubt.

Oh, you already know.

We didn't talk for two months.

Did he hit you up about it?

After the Super Bowl, did he shoot you a text?

No,

he gracefully let me hurt my

pro mood.

He just let it sit there and burn.

Yeah.

That's too funny, man.

You're known for constantly eating on the screen.

Best food you've ever ate on camera.

Damn, I don't know how I get this.

Like, people eat in life.

Yeah, right.

Like, I think it was in Oceans, and I figured he's always wading around.

He's, he's like the consigliaria of the group, and he's always doing this and doing this, and he's got to eat on the run.

That's all this, that's, that's where this came from.

There was like thought behind it.

That's too funny.

And now, anytime I eat in a film, I'm like, I guess I'm a bit of a grazer, but yes, okay.

So that's my

everything I've done,

that's what I'm known for.

The best, I had an ice cream sundae.

I remember an ice cream sundae, big parfait thing on.

I'll tell you a story.

I haven't thought about this for years.

One of my first movies, I'm doing this little independent film.

We're shooting this little tiny cafe.

It's full of the crew.

So there's about 60 people in there.

It's hot.

You can't breathe.

And my character hadn't eaten for days.

And he gets his big plate of beans.

First plate of beans and bacon.

And I was all like method.

You know, I was like, I'm going to do this right.

I'm going to, I'm going to.

And I just, and I pow, you know, I I just power down this plate of beans, take two, do the same thing, take three, I do the same thing.

Explore.

I do the same thing.

Something hit me.

Oh, I know exactly what hit you.

It was all about what hit you.

And there was nothing I could do.

I was stuck in this chair

and

nature took its course.

And then there was nothing.

I went, oh, great.

I got away.

I got away with that one.

And then suddenly, the entire crew the most diabolical something something descended on the crew in the whole room and they

fleed the cafe

fleed

so

hey the confession you've heard first right

hey that was great and ever since then i've uh

i paced myself beans to do it to you baby that's right you should be proud hey you clear room you clear room that's a that was from an offensive lineman.

You already know.

That's a badge of honor.

We had,

oh my gosh, Green,

all-time SAC leader, one of the up there with the Steelers for a long time.

And then he was coaching the Packers.

Kevin Green.

He came in.

He was coaching the D-line.

He came into the O-line room to try and give us tips on how to block D-linem.

He came in there.

Guys are farting non-stop.

And he was like, you guys are, O-lineman suck.

I'm out of here.

He just left the room.

It was like two sliders.

We ask athletes this question all the time, but what was your welcome to Hollywood moment?

Welcome to Hollywood moment.

Okay, I'll tell you my welcome to Hollywood moment.

I was, I got my first little thing.

It was on a, like a little soap opera.

And they, and my picture was in a, like USA Today.

Okay.

And this was a big deal, sent to my mom and dad.

Look, you know, look, ma, I made it.

And it was with a friend.

there was a girl he was really attracted to a couple of girls and we went over to their apartment and we went through the kitchen the back door and I looked down the litter box and there was that picture with a big cat turd on it oh

big pitch dang cat turtle

that sums it up that's right there welcome to Hollywood And I've never forgotten that.

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Please welcome to New Heights Mr.

Ben Stiller.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We're going to talk about your first bit of cinematic excellence, which maybe it's not, but it's definitely the one that sticks with us the most.

And we quote nonstop, which is heavyweights.

Yeah.

Did you know, first of all, before I said the movie, did you know I was going to say heavyweights?

I had seen, I think I saw you had like a Percus Power show.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Shout out to Brett V Show.

And I'd heard some, you know, rumblings that you guys were into it, which was pretty cool.

Oh, into it.

It was my life.

Listen, I was a heavyweight growing up.

Jason, he didn't get fat until he went to office.

We switched places.

We switched places growing up.

So Jason is more newly founded into it.

So seriously, you were dealing with weight issues as well.

It was chubby.

I think, yeah, I was dealing with my love for honey buns.

I think that's what I was kind of dealing with more.

But no, I saw heavyweights and was like, oh, man, Camp Hope is like, if there's a camp out there like that, I want to go to it.

Just kids that can be fat together and hide candy in their beds.

And

kids that never like really lived up to the excellence of their brother and just the expectations that their parents set for themselves.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

are you kidding the blob?

It was a go-kart.

Like, that was everything a kid wanted to do.

It was sort of, yeah, like a dream camp, but then, you know, this guy comes in who has never really dealt with children before.

Yeah.

That's one of the funniest intros.

It was really fun to do.

We had a great time.

I mean, I remember the summer shooting the movie very well.

We shot it down in near Asheville, North Carolina.

I'm still buddies with the guy who was my trainer when I was doing the movie, Mickey Marino.

Shout out to Mickey.

Who's down in East Hendersonville?

Yeah, it was just, but like, yeah, today, first of all, the fact that that was a Disney movie

is it is kind of crazy.

Yeah.

That was.

I chuckle at it every time I see Disney across the top.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's an edgy Disney movie.

It's not Little Mermaid.

And I don't even think they were aware of it at the time.

It was a different time, right?

It was pre-social media.

I think there was less of a sort of a moment-to-moment awareness of, you know, if you're doing something right or wrong and all that.

So it was, you know, and Judd Apatau

was producing it.

Judd and I were friends and had been working together on a show we had done and had gotten canceled.

And I had gone and directed a movie, my first movie.

And he said, hey, we're going to go down.

Steve Brill's the director, really funny guy.

We're going to go down to Asheville and do this fun, you know, this camp comedy.

You could play this like mean guy who, you know, is mean to these kids who are overweight.

And

it seemed fun and funny.

In, I'm in.

Yeah, it's right there.

And it was like, and it happens to be Disney, whatever.

And I think they went off and they made the movie and Disney looked at it and was like uh

this isn't quite you know this isn't

down the middle for the Disney brand and they kind of put it out there or whatever and then that was it you must have seen it on video right oh 100% a few years after it came out or something right because it's 30 years old exactly yeah but then it's happened later in the 90s for sure um but yeah it never would have gotten made today and why do you say that I think just because

the characters being so mean to these kids who are dealing with weight issues that that I don't think but don't you think that's that's getting off the drawing board I understand but I feel like the movie also inspired more people that were overweight like it really ends up being something that most of the people that I knew that were overweight or it was like a healthy relationship with that at the end of the day I do agree that Tony was not the nicest to the kids no i think tony is dealing with his own weight issues oh for sure very clear and and um and his own feelings towards his parents and also that he's a kid who never he never interacted with other kids and you know he wants to be famous and you know i i feel for tony i feel like he's the most sympathetic character in how's it where did he where did tony come like where did you find him is there any inspiration um there was a little bit of tony robbins in there okay

motivational guy uh just in terms of the voice and how he talks um and his kind of weird sort of like he you know tony robbins had this thing where he could sort of like yeah he could kind of like hypnotize you with his eyes

um and i don't know man and then we just sort of like played around and i it's funny like because I look back at clips, I saw a clip like behind the scenes on it.

And I was like, God, we were so young back then, too.

And just like kind of doing it, you know what I mean?

And just kind of going for it.

And you don't really think about it that much.

And the kids were so much fun.

And it was, you know, kind of like every day we were just in my folks were in it playing my parents.

We had, we had just had the best time.

Let somebody sign you checks.

Oh, yeah, don't let it.

Best advice I ever got.

So I guess how much of that movie was of Tony was being scripted, and how much of that is you off the cuff?

Just ripping it.

Yeah, I don't remember.

I think, like, we were, we were improvising all the time.

Um, it's sort of, I feel like there were some improv moments there.

Uh, I think like that little moment where

Tony goes and talks to himself when he's weighing the kids.

Somebody brought this up.

It's my favorite scene in the music.

Are you doing Tony?

Are you doing it, Tony?

Bad?

Yeah.

Why are you?

Well, everything's falling down around me.

There's nothing I can do about it.

I'm sorry, I don't want want to do your best.

Yeah, everything's falling down around me.

There's nothing I can do about it.

Well, you know,

whose fault is it?

It's not my fault.

It's their fault.

That's right.

It's their fault.

It's their fault.

You have failed.

Yeah.

The thing that's kind of funny to me about that scene is it was improvised.

But, you know, if you've ever been in therapy or gone to therapy, that's, you know, a lot of people talk about talking to your inner child

and finding your inner child and connecting with your inner child.

And in over the years, I have

been in a therapy session where the therapist says, like, you should go, like, let's talk to your inner child.

And I literally feel like I'm just doing a scene from heavyweights

therapy.

So I always feel like it's just, this is kind of silly because I've literally done this in a movie where it actually made sense that Tony was able to talk himself into understanding that he is not the problem.

They are the problem.

And he helped himself.

So in a way, it's a very healthy connection that he's having, you know, with himself.

100%.

100%.

Maybe not with the kids, but

no.

And I think, you know, the kids also, like, you know, let's face it, the kids were cheating.

They should have been following the rules.

Right?

It's an interesting way to re-evaluate this movie.

They were the problem.

Come on.

Yeah.

You're hustling.

If you go to a camp where you want to lose weight, you got to play by the rules, right?

It's like you guys show up.

at training camp, right?

If you're not going to put the work in, right?

Nobody's going to be able to force you to do it, right?

You got to have the mindset.

Yeah, I definitely go to chick-fil-a during camp though i'm not going to lie

92

will philosophy

oh my god

so epic best intro best intro ever best intro ever i've been just so curious about this when did you become a dj the video of you djing at the fret party might be one of my favorite you've it you've now inspired me to want to become a dj and do exactly what you made that shit look so fucking fun.

I don't know if you want a reveal peek behind the curtain or not, but

I don't know how to DJ.

I was just all set up by my son, and he was like, Dad, can you come?

It's parents' weekend.

Can you come by the fraternity house?

And I'll just set it up.

And you just have to twist knobs and pretend like to push buttons.

Yeah.

So I just acted the part.

But I

still

forget that people have cameras attached to their phones.

I don't know if you guys ever feel that way, but I'm like, I still sometimes

the fact that you could just turn that switch off, though, man, not care about it, that's the best.

That's the best part.

And that was, that made, I sent that to everybody that I knew.

I showed up for 15 minutes, and then I went to the football game.

I didn't think twice about it.

And then Monday, it like blows up, and I'm thinking, what?

Wait, what?

Oh, right.

All these kids were filming it.

Anyway.

So good.

It's just, it's fun to just kind of,

I just love kind of doing those

kind of out-of-the-box things just to, just to mingle with people.

Well, we love when you do it too, big dog.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

Thank you.

So something we do on the show is answer voicemails from our fans and we've asked them to call in, asking for relationship advice, because who doesn't want to hear relationship advice from a couple of knuckleheads?

Would you like to help us on these, Will?

You want to jump in?

Let's do it, man.

Here's the thing: you could answer some of these questions as one of your characters, maybe?

Okay.

Yes.

Oh, I'm so excited.

Brandon.

Brandon.

Uh-oh, Brandon.

Hey, Travis.

Hey, Jason.

Big T fan.

Three Pete coming.

Just wanted to know your advice for a first date when you should know those red flags and when to look for the green flags.

Go, Chief.

Red flags, green flags.

When to look for the red flags, when to look for the green flags?

Let's see.

Ricky Bobby

would say,

look,

I don't know anything about red flag or green flag.

You just got to get yourself into a position to look for the checkered flag.

Because,

I mean, there's only one thing you need to worry about.

I mean, if you ain't first, you're last.

Yeah, baby.

I would just tell that young lady to look for the checkered flag.

You got to find your way to the finish line, guys.

I don't know if that's good advice or bad.

It sounds like bad advice.

I think it's kind of metaphorically, it makes sense.

You got to find your way to the finish line.

Yeah.

You know, I loved it, man.

That shit was fucking gold.

That was so good.

So good.

That couldn't have gone any better.

All right.

Here we go.

Next one.

What do we got?

All right.

Jason and Travis.

So what do I do

whenever I bought this girl ticket to a concert for Christmas?

And

she dumped me the week before.

Now her best friend wants to go with me.

Do I take her or no?

Do you take the best friend after the tickets you bought for your girlfriend?

She dumped you.

Wait, I want to make sure I understand.

Do you take the best friend of the girl?

Yes.

Yes.

So the girlfriend dumped him and now the best friend wants to go with...

Well, Ron Burghity would say, of course you take the best friend.

Because you teach that young lady a lesson.

You're not going to be some horse's ass.

You've spent $1,200 going to, I don't know, whatever concert, whatever music you listen to nowadays.

I don't know if it's Kaja Gugu or Duran Duran or whatever it is, but

you send a signal to that young lady that you're not messing around.

And then you

take photos of you and the best friend making out and send it back to the old girlfriend and say, that's how I do it.

That's how you roll right there, baby.

That was fucking cool.

That was so good.

That's why you're the greatest of all time, baby.

Oh, my goodness.

Miss Nisi Mess.

When you were with Mama Kelse, was that your first Chiefs game you've ever been to?

Very first, but...

Wait, no.

Let me take that line back because I saw y'all play against each other.

You were at the Super Bowl.

I was at that game.

I was at the Super Bowl.

I saw you guys play against each other.

Matter of fact, I had to hook up that chick.

So I walked out on the field.

I walked out on the field.

Uh-huh.

And my sister told me, she said, I don't care what you do, you put on an all-green outfit and you represent me.

And so.

So you were Eagles?

I had on my green sweatsuit.

I was up there doing this.

Fly, Eagles, fly.

I had my green sweatsuit on.

Me, JB, my son, we all showed up.

Yeah.

And yeah, so I got to see you both play together in that game.

And then

I like to not think about that game.

Maybe I've done some roles and I'm like, God, I wish it would go away.

Then we all came to see Travis.

And let me tell you something.

Travis is so we go to the game, right, out here in LA.

And he was just trying to act like he was so professional as a football player.

He's like, you know, I don't know if, you know, I'm a, you know, if we're going to take pictures of stuff because I'm so focused.

I'm like, okay.

Then he came out there with that stupid mustache.

Trying to act like.

He came out there with that stupid mustache.

Trying to, you know, he was all on the field, and all his boys was like, Yo, nigga, your girl right there, nigga, your girl right there.

He gonna look over.

He was like,

I said,

I respect your process.

I'm just giving you a heart.

Oh, I love it.

I love it too.

I totally respect your process.

You know what I mean?

I appreciate it.

You gotta stay in the zone.

And you gotta do what the people who paying you want you to do.

So I'm not tripping about that.

I was more offended at the mustache.

It's gone now.

It's gone now.

I see.

You finally back to looking decent.

Exactly.

Exactly.

You never know.

I might have just been, you know, having that look for another role or something.

Oh, okay.

Hollywood over here.

All right.

So

when you were at the game with mom, what was it like?

Yeah, you saw Mama Kelsey at the game, too.

You like watching football games?

I do.

It was so much fun.

She was lovely.

She had her homegirl with her.

and um we all took pictures together and then you know you run with a great group of guys you know

i appreciate that um and they all came and checked on us you good you need this you need that then we went over to your podcast had a suite oh nice she got our we got our podcast swag

from over there

Oh, yeah, everybody treated us.

So that was Mama Kelsey.

She said, we're going over to the, come on.

Come on.

Oh, yeah.

You're part of the family.

We went over there with her.

Yes.

And got us some swag and all the good things.

So everybody really took such good care of us.

We had great seats.

Thank you.

Always.

You know it.

You know,

it was, yeah, it was a really good time.

I mean, I would do it again for sure.

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Starring in the Emmy Award-winning Show Ted Lasso,

please welcome Mr.

Jason Sedekis.

We already talked about you playing basketball.

Talked about SNL and hosts and stuff.

Who's better in their respective fields?

Are you better as a basketball player or is LeBron better as an SNL host?

Wow.

You both played.

You played in the all-star game with him.

He played on SNL with you.

Yeah.

Look, as an SNL host, he's a hell of a basketball player.

Yeah, Bron.

No, I love that

We need you and LeBron one-on-one in the basketball court, and then we need you one-on-one on the SNL stage.

There is a sketch where

we did characters that Bill and I did a couple times where I play like a stage hand who is just kind of a dick to people.

We did it to Julie Louis Dreyfus, did it with Paul Rudd, and we did it with LeBron, and I challenged him to one-on-one in the sketch, and in rehearsal.

In rehearsal,

I did go by him and then went up, and he didn't know I was going to do a reverse layup, and I did score on him

on an eight-foot goal.

And he was actually trying to like.

Yeah, he was 100%.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he was definitely on the bottom.

That's LeBron James.

Yeah, you can't turn that off.

You can't turn that off.

And it was funny because Don Roy King, who was who was our director at the time, who I just saw at the 50th, came up and literally brought it up.

He goes, he goes, if you ever need someone to

vouch for this, I know it happened.

I was like, thank you.

So here it is.

It kind of sucks to be the one telling this, you know, keeping this

apocryphal story alive.

You know, I'd prefer it to be someone else, but

us two Knuckleheads.

Yeah, we'll keep spreading this.

We'll spread it.

We'll spread it.

He's going to catch some legs.

He was, I mean, he went for it.

I can't believe he hadn't come back to do it again.

He was so good.

He was so good.

He was so good.

I am.

The solid gold dancer.

Come on.

Come on now.

It was great.

The perm.

And Maverick, badass.

I remember Maverick sitting at the host dinner on Tuesday night, you know, when you go out with Lauren and everything?

Maverick sat next to Lauren and just was just grilling him the whole time.

The whole time.

And I was like, I remember sitting across from him.

I was a child.

Yeah.

In like a baby seat.

But he was like, I didn't say anything to any of us.

It was like Michael Corleone talking to Don Corleone.

It was like fantastic.

I was like, LeBron is so, you know, I didn't know who he was at that point.

I was like, LeBron's so lucky to have this dude.

This guy's got his buddy's back like big time and asking Lauren these questions.

And Lauren was so fascinated by it.

It was great.

It was just like watching an icon and icon to be just kind of like, you know, just, yeah, was, it was just a curious, smart dude.

Yeah, those guys, good on him.

You know,

just a bunch of Cleveland guys.

Yeah, that's all.

How much would you have, would your life have changed if you would have been insected into the Blue Man group?

I had a hunch.

I don't know.

I mean,

everything, you know?

Yeah, so, I mean, I was obsessed with that show.

And, and, and I, I, like, I loved it.

It was the opportunity I felt, oh, oh, this would be the only chance I'll ever get to play music in front of people.

And I wasn't a good enough drummer.

I love the show.

I think it's so funny.

I think it's so brilliant.

And I think it's so subversive.

I mean, it's all these things.

They just closed the show recently in New York, which is where I ended up.

I auditioned in Vegas and they got flown out there.

This was August of 2001.

So this is right before

9-11.

And it was,

and I had dudes, buddies of mine that were in Blue Man Group in Vegas because they took a lot of our improv classes.

So we got to know them.

Our shows hung out a lot, like both, you know, offstage and like, you know, at each other's houses.

You know, I got, and, and

it was, um, it was an amazing, amazing time because we were this different kind of show

that was sort of finding its way in, in, in Vegas, um, like the ones that interacted with the audience and not just, you know, showgirls or, or again, icons or, or magic.

It was like this, this weird kind of thing.

I remember so many, a handful of them when I was really, it would sort of take me me aside and be like, do you really want to do this?

Like, like, you're really good at talking.

Like, it's kind of your thing.

And I was like, yeah, no, I don't care.

I want to do this.

I think it's so neat.

And yeah, but it would be, I mean, gosh, I wouldn't, I mean, I wouldn't have my kids.

I wouldn't,

you know, there's a whole bunch of stuff that'd be different.

I'd have, I'd be, every time I blow my nose, blue stuff would come out.

My eyebookers would be blue.

You know, like, yeah,

who knows?

I'd be a much better drummer than I am.

Dave, you know, my rudiments would be solid.

Well, did you have to paint yourself for the audition?

Not for the for when you when there's gotta be a pig.

I wish we there's gotta be a pig.

There's no way there isn't.

And here's you dressed up like that and didn't get a pig.

I know.

But when you wear, when you wear all the same color, like all three iPhones.

So there's a new picture.

Yeah, no, we had a disposable camera because when you they put you up in this like dorm, it was on like 13th Street, and it was all these like like-minded, like, you know, all of us were like six foot one white guys.

And And the majority of, like, if there was 10 of us, I would say nine of them were, you know, musicians first, or eight of them were musicians first.

And

I was more of an actor with like, like, and I had been literally practicing on like a drum pad during intermissions at my second city show or in between shows, driving my castmates crazy, I'm sure.

And, and yet everybody had this like fun spirit.

And we're all in New York flying in from other places.

And we, I remember we bought a disposable camera because we got bald and blue, as they said.

You know, they do a bald cap and the, and the whole thing, and the the and the the cobalt blue and and so somewhere i don't know what happened to that disposable camera because you got cut like after three days five days seven days i imagine it's like you know being in a combine or like in a camp

it really was yeah and i got cut after three days and they were just they were like if he he could be a blue man if he worked on his drumming and then i then i go home kind of defeated and then you know a few weeks you know later you know 9-11 and then it was like then that sort of like rattled us all and like okay what do you love what do you what do you really want to do and it was stick with second city at that point and so i never never auditioned again.

But, but there's, yeah, there's a camera out there.

But I know when I saw myself in the mirror, I looked at myself and no bullshit.

I'm not even, this isn't even like humility.

I was like, I look like a blue peanut M ⁇ M.

You couldn't see my cheekbones.

You couldn't like my feature, any features that I have on my face just got washed out.

And I just look like a, like, all the dudes that I was friends with all look like male models.

And I was like, oh, I think maybe this, I thought that if I wore this, I'd look as cool as they do.

It's like, no, Jace, they look like that out of the makeup.

It looked like an upside-down blue peanut on MM.

It was adorable.

So, yeah.

He's an eight-time sports Emmy nominee and the voice of the first two days of the Masters.

Please welcome Mr.

Scott Van Pelt.

Yeah, baby.

Thank you.

You tweeted this at the New Heights account.

Please elaborate.

How close did you or Mark Schlareth come to shitting your pants on air?

Okay,

so

all right, let's just say,

Mark Schlareth, shout to Stink, my guy.

Yes,

I taught him how to tie his tie.

And like, it should have been a sports event commercial.

I taught him how to get that great dimple in the middle of his tie.

And he, to this day, we love laughing about that.

But

this was a story.

Show me a man who says he has to shit his pants, I'll show you a liar.

Has it happened on air?

I explained Mark Schlareth is familiar with it.

So there was a day where I was having a rough day.

I had a little bubble, a little gurgle in the belly, a little bad tummy.

And I said to Stink,

buddy,

there's a decent chance that while we're sitting out here, I might shit my pants.

And Stink says to me, oh, it's fine.

It's fine.

You just need to put some leaves in the gutter.

I'm like, excuse me?

You don't know leaves in the gutter?

I'm like, what's leaves in the gutter?

He's like, you just take a big giant ball of toilet paper and you ball it up and you put it in your ass crack.

And then, while you're sit, and then while you're sitting there, you know, in your boxers, you just got it's basically like a diaper of sorts.

It's making a lot of fun.

Because I wasn't gonna full-on shit my pants, it was gonna be just a shark kind of a moment.

Just that, that, is this a fart?

Oh, it's hot.

No, that wasn't a fart.

And so, I

had leaves in the gutter, and then that night, this gets better.

We were doing, he's there to do analysis on, say, the Thursday night game.

For argument's sake, it's the Steelers and the Bengals.

I don't remember.

But I said, because a lot of what we do are inside jokes.

I said, you know, Stink tonight, the Steelers defense, man,

they really

bottled up that run for the Bengals like leaves in the gutter.

And Stink barely can get through the segment because I'm talking about the balled-up toilet paper in my butt crack that he's sharing with me.

And I'm happy to say I did not need the leaves in the gutter.

But, fellas,

maybe ladies, when in doubt if you need to go leaves in the gutter there's a pro tip from mark schleriff to me to you

and that's the story of how scott van pelt almost shit his pants on tv

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