Peyton and Eli Manning, Super Bowl 59 Preview and Sucking on Crawfish Heads in New Orleans | Ep 123

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What I do, suck the head?

There you go.

Oh, go 45, two seat sacks.

Baby, that's all we need.

We can go to the bar after dark, smoke that crawfish head. Yeah.
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Hell yeah. We're in New Orleans, Louisiana, if you couldn't tell.
Jason's fresh off of, what is it, Bourbon Street? Bourbon Street, yeah. Dolly.
I think I might have been there once. We're your hosts.
I'm Travis Kelsey.

This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, at the Super Bowl.

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at New Heights Show with 1S92%. As you know, we are here, and the time is now.

What are we here for?

Well, we're here for a good old rematch.

Rematch? The Chiefs and Eagles, baby. The fuck? Why wasn't I invited? I think that's why you're here.
You got the invite. All right.
You should have been. You're playing in the game.
My knees don't work anymore, Trev. That's how it works.
Damn it. I just have to just drink hurricanes and hand grenades to forget that I'm not playing in the game, so I won't have to think about it all week.
Watch out. That'll get you kicked off the team.
Why don't you tell the people what we got coming up, dude. Incredible episode for you guys.
We're going to eat the Travis's thoughts on the Superbowl. We're also going to talk about a little bit of new Orleans food and drinks.
We got two incredible guests in Peyton and Elijah Manning. It's going to be a fun one.
Can't wait to get to you guys. First, as always, new news.
New news. Coming in hot.
That's right. New Heights pod won gold again.
Yeah. That's what we do, ladies and gentlemen.
We're just, we're excellent. And when I say we, our production is excellent.
Yeah, they edit this very well.

And I don't know how they get good shit out of us. But you guys love it, and we appreciate you guys.

New Heights took the gold in the best sports talk category in 2025

on the Sports Podcast Awards.

Wow.

Yeah.

Gold medal, baby.

Are we even sports talk?

Huh?

Are we even sports talk? I mean, we talk and we talk about sports sometimes. So, yeah.
That counts, right? I think that's what sports talk is. Nice.
People listen to us because of sports, though, right? Like half of them. Nice.
Well, thank you, guys. Enough to get a gold medal.
Over at the Sports Podcast Awards, we accept your gold. We don't – do people deny gold medals? I might.
I know you would. That's why I'm – but this one you accept.
That's why I'm asking what this thing looks like and who's giving it to us. Sports Podcast Awards.
This guy's insane. Best Sports Talk Podcast, New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelsner.
I mean, it seems like a legit award. They have a cool logo.
Sometimes that's half of the battle right there. I feel like all this stuff is just like they're just trying to get us to tweet it so that they can be affirmed as an established thing.
Well, it worked. Nice.
Thank you, guys, over at Sports Podcast Awards. Jason, why don't you tell everybody else what else we got? Travis has won the 2024 Walter Payton Man of the Year Charity oh yeah for those of you that don't know the winner of the Walter Payton man of the year charity challenge is decided on a fan vote on x slash twitter congratulations Travis yeah thank you thank you this is the second time winning this award two-time winner oh the first time first two-time winner am I the first two all in the charity challenge so in the charity challenge you're now the first back-to-back winner in nfl history the chiefs are going to try and be the first back-to-back-to-back super bowl winners okay i see where you're going which one is more important back-to-back charity award winner or back-to-back-to-back super bowl winner i think the charity will thrive more if i win the Super Bowl.
So you're saying the Super Bowl? Yeah. So you're saying the Super Bowl matters more than the kids and your foundation? God damn it, that's tough.
I didn't say that? See, I trapped him. I did.
You bear trapped me. That son of a buck.
No, and that money will be directly injected into the city of Kansas City. So thank you guys for all voting online.

I'll make sure that everybody over at 87 and Running does some good work with the money.

Shout out to everyone who voted.

Shout out to everyone who voted.

In all seriousness, Travis and the 87 and Running Foundation does a lot of fantastic work.

He does.

In the city of Kansas City.

Even in Cleveland.

Back in our own town.

Yeah, absolutely.

I know it.

So shout out, Trav.

Way to go. Let's do it.
Let's do it. Nice.
Jason on the call at the Pro Bowl. Hey, if you want to call it that.
Last bit of new news, we got Jason in the booth over there in Orlando for the Pro Bowl watching the flag football game, huh? That's right. Yep.
How was it, man? How was it on the other side of the Pro Bowl? The Pro Bowl is just a blast. It's fun to be down there.
You get to see a bunch of the best players in the world kind of being on the same field together, having fun, celebrating the fact that they're all incredible beasts. Watching the Avengers team up.
Yeah, for sure. It's like superheroes of the NFL.
Yeah, and I think that what they're doing now is better than what they did. I mean, the football game that they were kind of trying to play was pretty boring to watch.
It was a tough thing to even be a part of, to be honest. It was tough to be a part of.
Here's the problem. Football is only good if people are trying to kill each other.
I've figured that out. You're not lying.
It's not a fun sport if you're not trying to kill each other. That's kind of the intensity and the aggression is what makes it inherently awesome.
So when you're not trying to do this, what the fuck are these guys doing playing football for? And that's what it kind of felt like when you were playing there. I was like, so I'm not, we're just kind of out here slapping hands.
What are we? And then there'd be one guy. One guy.
There'd always be one guy. And everybody's like, why is that guy trying to play football? And you're like, this fucking asshole's playing football.
What the fuck's wrong with this asshole? We're just trying to have fun. We're all unioned up with this fucking guy.
Yes, he's trying to win a Toyota. You can buy a Toyota.
You got millions of dollars. I want the MVP to get the free car.
Like, yeah, well, I won the MVP. You still have to pay for the car.
So anyways, what they're doing now, I feel like... The taxes on a Genesis aren't as low as you think they are so shout out to genesis yeah shut up shout out to the red rocket man andy dalton showing me a deep cross shout out to the 60 touchdown all right so we got what they're doing now with flag football people will try for flying flag.
That's a more like happy-go-lucky.

Let's go have fun.

Yeah.

I'm not here to kill anybody.

And then you got the skill event.

So now it's settled into something that is more appropriate to kind of be in.

And you still get to see some highly skilled people do flips into foam pits.

I feel like they should do dodgeball with footballs.

Dodgeball with footballs. It's not a bad idea with Nerf balls.
Yeah. No, like a full-on the Duke.
You go with the Duke, that would hurt. Hit you in the face.
How bad do you want to win? Yeah. There's a lot of guys that can't throw a football, surprisingly.
I can't throw anymore. It would expose some guys.
I can't throw anymore. There's some players in the NFL that I've seen try and throw a football.
All the way back there and just come down. No, you can do it.
You can still get one in. That elbow is tight.
Then it's going to get tight, yeah. It's bad.
But no, the Pro Bowl was awesome. Being up in the booth was great.
I got a good bit of advice from Dan Orlovsky. Shout out to Dan.
I was going to – Nice, Daniel. I went to Disney the following day with the fam.
Nice. And Dan gave me the shout out.
Said, hey, go to the Dawa Bar Animal Kingdom to Jungle Juice. It was perfect.
It tasted great. Perfect level for walking around with a bunch of kids.
It's ideal. It really made the safari ten times better.
Did you did you know i love it shout out to dan for the secret uh to the secret to animal candle um was it cold around the park the last time that i went down to orlando for Pro Bowl, it was absolutely freezing. Yeah, it was like that last year, too.

It was cold.

But this year, it was like 80.

Nice.

It was perfect.

Sun was hidden behind clouds.

Would you want 80?

You don't want sun out with 80.

That's a little dicey.

It gets real swampy down there.

But no, it was good.

It was good temperature.

Found out Scott Van Pelt doesn't like roller coasters.

What?

Yeah.

SVP.

I found a lot of times with taller people. Now, you're pretty tall.
You like roller coasters. I'm in.
I was not in when we were kids, though. It took me to become a man.
I feel like there's something to do with a height. To get on the Millennium.
Dude, the Millennium Force. The Millennium.
I used to have nightmares about the Millennium. I think that's, maybe that's why.
And you always loved going on it. It's the best.
It's the best ride still to this day I've ever been on. Millennium Forceedar point sandusky ohio best roller coaster there is on the planet i don't care what anybody says i mean it's hard to argue that one yeah well you can't because i just said i don't know when i i finally went on it it uh i went on all the roller coasters and then finally was like all right i'm gonna do millennium force this is like when i'm like in high school or maybe even when i was in college but yeah i um when you get to the top of that thing because it's right on the lake it's on lake erie and uh sandusky ohio it's beautiful picturesque by the time i got on there the sun was going down and it the everything was kind of shining off of the water and i felt like the whole thing was just gonna fall into the water when i got up there i blacked out yeah it was terrifying that's a bad feeling and then i overcame my fear yeah and i didn't black out that's why i keep trying to get my kids to just go and do stuff because i feel like that's how i overcame you just go do it yeah and you're like oh that wasn't that bad dude that's how hockey was for my kids will not do it they won't do it i didn't ice skate i mean they can't go on anything that extreme right dad literally just threw me out there and then it out there.
It always worked for us. He pushed a walker at me, like an old person's walker.
That always worked for us. I used it to get up, and then he was like, do a lap.
Yeah. I was like, all right.
And then by the time I was like, I tossed that cane over there. I was flying around.
Couldn't stop, though. Couldn't stop.
It doesn't work for my kids, though. They just act like I'm being a bad dad by forcing them to do stuff they don't want to do.
And that's part of being a dad. Yeah.
Yeah. I respect it.
Kylie doesn't. She's like, I have to deal with this.
I think they'll be fine. Trust me.
Trust Kylie. I think Kelsey did this to me.
We. From experience.
I'm just going to spin this little teapot around. Don't trust me.
Yeah. Don't trust me either.
It didn't work. Look at this guy.
They don't. You're not going to trust this guy? Look at him.
I'm trusting this guy. Who doesn't trust anybody with a mask? all righty we're done talking about the pro bowl we do want to talk about what everybody wants to talk about new orleans which is a little bit of food and a little bit of drinks that's right as with a lot of the shows where we are remote we like to do some things that are culturally specific and nothing says new orleans like alcoholic beverages and weird foods so we're gonna eat some right now first up we got fried alligator and a hurricane we just been sitting nuggets we do travis i'll get in on some gator nuggets you'll eat alligator travis you won't eat alligator you won't eat mayonnaise you won't eat rabbit nope you won't eat rabbit.
Nope. You won't eat.
Too gamey. Duck.
Gamey. How do you know? You just.
I've had it. So you'll try meats.
You just don't like white sauces. I'm not trying that white sauce.
I know that's tartar sauce. That's tartar sauce? How do you know that's tartar sauce? I can see it from here.
It's pickles. It's got pickles in it.
Yeah, it's tartar sauce. Yeah.
You're observing. All right.
I'll try the half mayo.

I'll try the half mayo.

It's all right.

Let's go.

I'll try the tartar.

I'm not afraid to tartar up.

These are pretty good.

They're a little gamey.

A little gamey.

I'm not a lot.

It always tastes so similar like chicken.

It's the fried.

They did have a smoked alligator.

That yum yum sauce isn't as yum yum as I thought it was going to be.

I'll try the tartar. It's really yum yum.
sauce isn't as yum yum as I thought it was going to be. I tried the tartar.

It's really yum yum.

You got it.

You got it.

Give me some of that gator.

It's damn good.

Gator don't play that shit.

I had some smoked alligator at Eagle's Tailgate because it's very traditional cuisine of Philadelphia as well.

And it tastes a lot like lobster.

They catch those fresh every day?

Right out of the Delaware.

Nice.

You're going to clean that whole plate, aren't you?

No.

I'm done after this because we've got more food to review.

But I am going to get to this hurricane.

You got the hurricane.

It can't be out here drinking like that.

I know what those things do.

Who made this? Technically, H who made this technically Haley made it Haley can we get Haley in here where did you get the recipe from I've had O'Brien's mix Pat O'Brien's mix Larry O'Brien's brother I thought that was Pat O'Reilly yeah that too, chuck. Oh, man.
That would have been awesome if he would have just... I forgot to put the mix in.
What is that? Fucking rum. It's just straight rum? I think red with some red food coloring in it.
There's some grenadine in that thing? Get an accelerator. Get a cherry ice pop.
That always goes well with them. Man, that's really good.
I love hurricanes. I'm not going to lie.
It feels like the most significant part of that is cherry. There's cherry in that thing? I have no idea.
What? Yeah, cherry. It's pretty good.
It's pretty good. What else is in there, big guy? Cherry.
There's some orange in there. Yes, you can see it.

Give me some.

Outside of that, I don't know.

I don't know what else.

I'm getting a strong cherry and orange flavor.

Cherry orange rum.

And an overwhelming amount of Captain Morgan.

Captain Morgan at that?

It's not Captain Morgan.

It's not spiced.

It's unspiced rum.

The old Brent Selick. I got Brent Selick out there fucking helping the Eagles defense.
I saw you, Brent. Bearcat for life, my ass.
I saw that shit. Zach Ertz was texting me about it.
That guy's fucking, he's telling him my moves. He's showing off my moves.
Do you think he knows your moves? Yeah, I'm not going to lie. It was pretty spot on.
I watched the video. That's exactly how I wrote them.
I know exactly what you're telling them.

Going to have a few change-ups and curve balls and sliders and knuckle curves.

I got all types of pitches.

So, fried alligator, what are you thinking?

How are we rating this?

1 out of 10.

1 out of 10?

Honestly, I'm giving that a 6.

Nice.

All right.

And I don't know what that means, but we both are on the same page. Travis, you have not had this hurricane, but you have had hurricanes.
I have had hurricanes. In the grand scheme of drinks that you would walk up and down a street with, where does a hurricane rank? I'm a Long Island kind of guy.
You're going to walk up and down a street with a Long Island? Yeah. No, you drink a Long Island at like a clubhouse bar, like at a, like that's not, you don't walk up and down the street with a Long Island like a sailor.
It's just like, it's like a, just like jungle juice. It's just like a bunch of shit that you.
No, it's way different. Long Island is like a classy jungle juice.
Classy jungle juice? Yes. Long Island is what you get at like a – you get at a bar.

You can't walk around with a Long Island.

It's not a walk-around drink.

I thought it was a walk-around-and-sip kind of drink.

I don't think so.

All right.

Well, then what are we – what's a – I mean, all I know are just bourbon street drinks.

Bourbon street drinks?

Yeah.

I mean, they are most synonymous with walking around with them.

I don't do walk-around drinks anymore, Jason. Yeah.
Remember that time I got an open container in college? Did I ever tell that story on here? No. Please.
I just turned 21. I just turned 21 and I went to a house party in Cincinnati.
And the cops come to tell us to shut the fuck up. And the cop walks through the door and everybody starts running because there's a bunch of under eight like i was like barely over 21 everybody else is like under 21 so they start skedaddling and i'm like i'm good i'm good baby i'm drinking a drinking a beer in front of the cop he's like do you live here i said i'm 21 he said, I did not ask that i said all right he's like do you live here i said no he said i suggest you get the fuck out of here and i'm like all right yes sir we start walking to another house we're like four blocks away and like i'm i am not exaggerating we are like maybe three houses before I'm in that front door.
I reach into the case, take a can of beer out, crack it. Guy pulls up, rolls his window down, same cop.
Well, well, well, if it isn't Mr. 21.
Oh, he gave me a ticket so fast. He's like, you know, know if you know this but you're not allowed to have an open container and i was like and he left one of his deputies behind to like give me the ticket oh yeah and the deputy's like yeah you can drink the whole thing i don't care he's making me do this so yeah i deserve it that's what happens for sure that's hilarious all right that's enough food and drink for right now.
Let's toss it to Peyton and Eli. I'm sure they'll be able to give us their ideas of where Hurricane and fried alligator rank.
And their expertise with New Orleans. Ole Miss.
Ole Miss. New Orleans.
Where is Ole Miss? I think it's in Mississippi. Well, I know it's in Mississippi.
I didn't know. Oxford.
Thank you. It's in Oxford, Mississippi, Jason.
Before we keep going with the show, it's time for Travis to get out of here because he can't be here for this next segment. Joining me now is our good friend, intern Brandon.
Our good friend. We've only got one game this weekend.
What game parlays are we going to build this week? I am looking at Pat Mahomes two plus passing touchdowns. I like that.
I think with the game on the line, the Chiefs will go to Pat. I think they're going to run some of that shit at the goal line again.
We're going to see some corn dog we've never seen before. Either way, they're going to leave the ball in Pat's hand.
I like that. And then Jalen Hurts, anytime TD scorer.
And that is rushing. I think that could be a tush push.
It could be maybe some quarterback design runs. Yeah.
And I know this is one you have. You have your specialist in this.
Coin toss. Tails never fails.
Those are our three picks. Pat Mahomes over two touchdowns.
Jalen Hurts, anytime TD scorer. And tails.
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This has been long, long waiting. Oh, yeah.
And we're happy as hell to get you. Jason, why don't you do the honors and give them the intro? You got it, Trap.
From Newman High School, New Orleans, Louisiana. Woo-hoo! A combined 18 Pro Bowls, four Super Bowls, three Super Bowl RGPs, two Walter Payton Man of the Years, and one of them is still undefeated in the Pro Bowl.
Please welcome Payton and Eli Manning. Yeah! There we go.
I like that, Jace. We're just going to bring you with us wherever we go.
Dude, I will gladly be your guy's permanent hype man.

I think down here he actually comes with a band.

I think it's like a whole thing.

I want to get one.

Do you guys know a good band that can be –

Yeah, does Newman High School got a good marching band or what?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, solid.

Really solid.

Solid.

Solid.

I can think of a few others that might be a little better.

We can start with Newman. Let's start off with the Pro Bowl, man.
You guys went head-to-head down at the Pro Bowl. Yeah.
And, yeah, Eli. Got the three-peat.
Yeah, you got the three-peat, dog. I think – How does it feel? How does it feel? Payton's officially on the hot seat, I think, as coach.
I saw some breaking news headlines kind of – Adam Scheffer. On social media.
So, I mean, if he does get fired, I'll probably hire him as my special teams coach. Team quarterback coach or water boy or something.
I mean, the problem is, you know, just to be honest, is that there's a lot of pro bowlers every year that are starters that just happen to be on the Chiefs, but they're not eligible to play in the Pro Bowl because they're in the Super Bowl. And I'd be a game changer in that game for you, Peyton.
You know I would. Travis, I kind of blame you and Patrick.
How's that? The Chiefs' fault. The Chiefs', yeah.
Eli, I do got to ask, was that your idea with Turpin? Whose idea was that on defense, just blitz Turpin every single snap? I thought that was genius. Yeah, you know, these special teamers, you know, they kind of have rules around we want the offensive guys playing offense, defensive guys playing defense.
We have two special teamers that we don't have any special teams. There's no kickoff returns or punts.
So they can freelance. You can use them however.
So I said, hey, I told Larry Foote, I said, Turpin's your special blitz guy. He's fast.
He can run. Had a couple sacks.
He's not going to get tired. Like, you know, the first series we were rushing some outside linebackers.
They were kind of rushing in there because they don't want to drop. These guys are professional rushers.
They're not drop guys, coverage guys. But then Burrow is running right by them.
So Turpin got the call pretty quickly. I loved it.
I loved it. Payton, we also had your son Marshall out there, maybe throwing better than all the quarterbacks there.
I mean, this was, I think we got a clip here. Is every, does every like Manning get a chance to throw the pill? Are they just like, it's just in them to be able to, to huck it or what? Well, it was kind of like I, kind of like I told Eli.
We were not raised to be kickers. We were raised to be quarterbacks.
And so that's kind of all we know. Can't outrun anybody.
Certainly can't kick. But, yeah, look, that's kind of why I sort of coached the Pro Bowl.
Travis, I mean, my son Marshall, for the past three years, gets to warm up. Joe Burrow, you know, the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
I don't know how you beat that. He's playing catch with Jamar Chase and, you know, Pat and Go with Justin Jefferson.
So what a cool moment for him. The kid in me is so jealous of Marshall, man.
That is such a cool opportunity for him to go out there and have some fun with the gang. Um, I'm sure he's absolutely living it up, man.
Oh no, no doubt. Uh, he loved it.
And like I said, I'm not happy about losing Eli. And I feel like if it has to be like a brothers thing, coaching the pro bowl and I cost Eli, you know, his job as well.
There's only other two, there's only one other set of brothers that I know of that has an NFC-AFC connection. Jason seems eligible.
Travis, I'd keep playing as long as you can, but I feel like when that time comes, I think my job is definitely a jeopardy if the Kelseys want to take over the Pro Bowl. Tell you what, I can put a mean run game in that flag football outfit.
Oh, it would be lateral central if I ever got the chance to coach that thing up. Speaking of brothers, we're tied right now with Super Bowl victories, Kelseys and Mannings, four apiece.
Does that mean the Mannings are officially pulling for the Eagles? I don't want for me to pull for the Eagles

like being in the division

I don't want for me to pull for the Eagles, like being in the division. But it's a little bit easier this year with Saquon being there and having a team mate.
I think in these situations, you root for players. You root for coaches that you know.
And, I mean, obviously obviously, you know, a lot of connections, Travis, you know, rooting for you to win it, win a Superbowl, rooting for Steve Spanko, and Andy Reed and all the guys. But, you know, it's a little more difficult Eagles, but with Saquon there, you kind of want, you want all those guys to experience winning a championship.
Obviously Travis, you, you've, you've done it many times. And to go for a three-peat would be unbelievable, but you know that feeling, and you never get tired of it.
So do you, Jason. You know that feeling of winning a championship, and you want all your pals that you've met or played with to have that feeling at least one time.
I mean, my question would be, Jason, would be, if we're even you know, really with the amount of rings, you know, I know certain teams, certain owners, when they win, they give rings to alumni who are just integral and kind of creating the culture of the team. I can't think of a guy more significant and kind of creating that tough run the ball, tough offensive lineman culture than you.

So if the Eagles happen to win, do you think you would get a ring?

Do you think you deserve a ring?

Let's just settle it right here because if that's the case,

Eli and I are screwed in this competition.

I mean, there's no chance I'm getting a ring out of this game, nor are you.

I mean, the Broncos at least made the playoffs. The Giants were eliminated after like week eight.
You don't get a ring to make the playoffs. You don't get a ring.
I will gladly decline any charitable ring that they're going to be trying to give out to me because I don't deserve any of it. But I did lose my first Super Bowl ring in Nevada, Chile.
I will take another one of those if they want to. Just print that one out again.
I can take that one again. I like it.
I like it. You were just talking about the big field goal kick you guys got coming up here.
Gronk has missed it two years in a row, I believe. Are we feeling confident we can at least get one up and over? Jason, we actually were in Orlando.
We watched some film with Gronk. Gronk drove down from Tampa and brought film of his first two kicks.
And we were kind of learning what not to do, right? Gronk had his whole family out there the first kick. He had a full uniform on.
He had a helmet. It was windy that day in Arizona.
By the way, I think there's something about Gronk missing when the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl. That seems to be the theme.
So hopefully that doesn't apply to us. Eli pulled a quad in practice.
I don't know if he put that out of the injury report, if that should change the odds. But I have a new respect for kickers.
I've been so sore every time I practice.

I really don't know why it goes in and why it doesn't go in.

There's no pattern to it.

But I haven't pulled a quad.

I'm healthy going into Sunday's kick of destiny three,

and I think I'm going to make it.

Oh, I like it.

I love the confidence.

I'm helping now.

This is about six weeks ago. Did pull a quad.
You've been practicing for six weeks? Six weeks. Yeah.
Yeah. I started six weeks ago, day one.
I mean, lots on the line. I get it.
He's just getting healthy, though. He's been on the sideline for a little bit.
Yeah, no stretch, no nothing. I was just like, I'll just kick a 25-yarder.
I was like, put it at 25 it at 25 i kicked one it went in i kicked the next one and it went four yards with a pulled quad and i i'm uh i kicked uh i kicked on monday this week it felt good i didn't get to the to the full 25 yards but i just uh you know kicked about a 20-yarder, and I think I'll be ready for Sunday.

The trainer will get you that extra.

They said they could give me a tournour shot now

that I'm not a player anymore.

I'm taking both of you guys to get a tournour.

This guy's committed.

Full throttle.

I'm going game day mode, full warm-up, you know,

super tee shot, get everything.

I cannot wait to see this, man. Jason actually had a similar experience where he got to respect the kickers a little bit as well, trying to kick a field goal on college game day in front of Pat McAfee, man.
It was class. I was on a slant.
I was on a slight angle in boots. Yeah.
Well, you chose to wear the boots. No, that was part of the sponsorship I had.
Shout out to Timberlin. Timberlin.
Great job, Timberlin. We are down in the Super Bowl.
We're in New Orleans, your hometown. Oh, yeah.
A couple Super Bowl questions. You guys have both worked with Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes, who have both attended Manning Passing Academy as high schoolers.
Did you guys both know that they had the opportunity, well, would have the potential to play in the Super Bowl one day? Jason, both those guys actually came to the camp as college players, as counselors. It's a high school football camp that, that we have college players come and serve as counselors.
And in return, Eli and I will spend time with them in between high school practices on their NFL aspirations. Jalen came twice, and you definitely just saw what a natural leader he was.

Quiet confidence, just the way he carries himself.

You can see why people want to follow him.

And then Mahomes just, yeah, his swagger just jumps out.

I remember it was raining one night, and we were like,

hey, I'm not sure you want to throw tonight.

There's people out there watching. Oh, man, I'll throw.
I'll rip it right now. Jeez.
He doesn't flinch. He doesn't care.
I'll swing it at anything. Hey, that's exactly what he said.
And to me, that's just pretty telling. As you know, Travis, you know, when you're in college and people are around watching, I don't want to throw today.
Maybe, you know, maybe there's some coach up there, some GM that happens to have a kid at the camp. Maybe they're watching or maybe this hurts my country.
It was just like, nope, I'll go out there and throw it. And so those are the two things I took away from having both those guys at the camp.
And you see that has transferred to their NFL careers. And so I'm proud of both of them.
They've been fun to watch, and I think that's why it'll be a great quarterback matchup on Super Bowl Sunday. Have you talked to either of these guys before the big game yet? I texted both of them after the NFC and AFC championship, congratulating them, wishing them luck.
Both of them got back to me. I've kind of stayed in touch with a lot of the quarterbacks that have come through the camp.
I think this past year, Jason, we had 26 of the 32 starting NFL quarterbacks were counselors at the Manning Passing Academy. So it's quite their fraternity.
So Eli and I keep up with them. Obviously talk to a lot of them, getting ready for a Manning cast game, but just kind of wishing luck throughout their careers.
And so I've kept up with Patrick and Jalen throughout their careers. Jalen reached out a couple of years ago about kind of the routine of the Super Bowl.
And I sort of gave him my tips and pointers. He kind of knows that routine now.
Mahomes, you know, gets his mail sent to the Super Bowl every year because he knows he's going to be there. So Travis does as well.
So they don't have to ask me too many questions anymore about the Super Bowl routine. Well, you always got the best advice, big guy.
I remember getting my first shot at SNL and getting the text from you to just enjoy the ride, man. I loved – I appreciated that.
That made me feel so much more at home knowing that you believed in me to have fun and and to do it the right way so i appreciate that you crushed but eli you actually had had you had somebody come up to you at the pro bowl and tell you that uh he was actually in the manning camp yeah wide receiver from atlanta right yeah uh hodge hodge there it is he came up and said he was a camper. He came his junior year.
He was a quarterback and, uh, he, he came to the camp and, uh, that's crazy. Obviously we told him, I think you should try receiver.
Uh, and we saw, we saw right there. It's like, uh, seven on seven.
He was playing receiver. Some made some plays and now he's, you know, he's, uh, making, making the pro bowl.
It's a special team guy, but he's a receiver also in the NFL. There's some great stories.
We've had a couple guys, a couple guys, a couple quarterbacks in the NFL also. I think Russell Wilson was a camper.
He was not as a counselor, became as a camper in high school. The new coach of the Jaguars, Liam Cohen, was a camper.
Liam Cohen. How about that? Nice.
Duval! So that's how old we are. We got coaches that were campers now.
That's crazy, man. You guys have been doing it for a while, man.
Me and Hodge have a similar story. I was actually recruited at Tennessee.
David Cutcliffe was working me out, thought I had some potential to be a football player, not to be a quarterback. So Tennessee never offered me, but yeah, eventually made the transition.
If Travis would have been a camper, you would have sped his career up quite a bit, getting him away from the quarterback position. Exactly.
No, that's awesome stuff you guys do with the young guys, man. And always paving the way for the future, man.

That's always good stuff.

Thanks.

Eli, you were talking about your former teammate, Saquon Barkley.

And when we had Saquon on the show, we do a lot of the welcome to your NFL moments.

And his welcome to the NFL moment was when, or at least he said, you shoved grass in his mouth.

Oh, yeah.

Is this a confirmed story? Yeah, this is a confirmed story. Every year before the first preseason game, a lot of these years, the starters aren't playing much, and they're really going over a little bit that first game, what the routine is before the first preseason game.
How do we line up? How do we stretch? How do you run out of the tunnel? All the pat and go. So we're kind of doing those things.
And I'm kind of sitting on the sideline a long time. And I always kind of walk up to a few of the rookies and I'm kind of holding my mouth and I'm going man I got to get my uh my mouth my teeth been bothering me I got to get my wisdom teeth pulled after the game and they're kind of asking questions I asked them if they've ever had their if they have or had their wisdom teeth pulled whether they say yes or no I say you know can I see if can I either see holes in your mouth? And so when they kind of open up and look up and open their mouth, I got a big chunk or clump of grass and dirt in my hand, and I just throw it in there.
And, you know, I've gotten like three or four guys on that first practice. I've gotten a few coaches.
One time the best – Sean O'Hara and I were trying to get a rookie and Imani Toomer came over. Imani is like in his ninth year and he just jumped in the conversation.
We're not talking to him. And he opened up and O'Hara put a clump of grass in his mouth.
That's so bad. We weren't trying to get you.
You offered up this information.

You volunteered yourself.

Since we're on the Super Bowl,

do either of you have a welcome to the Super Bowl moment?

I think it was my ninth year playing in it for the first year.

And just down in Miami, it was raining that year. It was the only Super Bowl that it really had rained.
But I think, you know, Billy Joel sang the national anthem. I think there's something about being on the sideline when that national anthem plays, you know, watching it all those years as a kid.
You know, Travis, my first Super Bowls as a kid were in New Orleans, obviously. I saw the – who's that? I saw Montana beat the Broncos in the 89-90 season, whatever that was.
That was in New Orleans. I actually was in college, came back and saw the Packers beat the Patriots in the Super Bowls.
So there have obviously been some great ones there in New Orleans. There have been another great one with your Chiefs and the Eagles.
But that national anthem, I still get emotional watching it as a fan, as an ex-player sitting at home. But I think we were on the sidelines knowing this game is about to happen.
That's something that kind of jumped out to me that I'm really here and I'm really playing in a Super Bowl. It was a pretty cool moment.
You're firing me up just thinking, just talking about it, man. 100%.
You had the worst start to a Super Bowl with Hester just running back the opening kick. It was an emotional moment.
It was an emotional moment that kind of ended pretty quickly with Hester Randall.

All right, we got to lock in, boys.

We got to lock in.

That's too good.

Eli, you got one for us?

You know, yeah, I mean, I think it's just for me,

it was just trying to, like, get that first completion.

And I just remember, you know, you're just nervous.

I mean, kind of a new nerve.

And you play the whole season.

You play playoff games.

You play the NFC Championship.

And all of a sudden, it's like a Super Bowl. Just all the, all the, you know, the lights and the national anthem and everything going on.
And I just remember, you know, the coach was kind of going through some of the plays and I was just like, coach, I'm just, I'm a little nervous. I want like a, I need a handoff the first play.
Like, I don't want to, you know, I'm just, I don't know. I just got to get like breathe a little bit.
So we got a handoff and I got my first completion next play and, and, you know, had a nice kind of 10 play long drive, got a field goal. And then, you know, it was, it was kind of back to normal, but it's definitely a different, a different intensity and just, you know, two weeks to think about it and there's so much coming on, on this game and what it means to your team, your fans, your family, so many people coming in town for it.
So the heart's pumping a little bit harder that first series that was Super Bowl for sure. 100%.
I still don't remember the first half of the one that I was in. I have no idea.
like, we started the game down 10s in my mind.

I'm just like, how did this happen?

Where did this?

We all have a hole.

I need more now than ever.

Travis, you've been running the wrong plays for the first entire half now.

I'm locked in, coach.

I got it.

I got it.

I got to ask you guys as a center.

Peyton, you brought up Sean O'Hare, so I'm going to come back to you, Eli, because I do know Sean O'Hare very well. I also know Jeff Saturday very well.
There is a moment on the sideline between you and Jeff. Legendary.
And you, I think everyone knows which moment I'm talking about. It's one of my favorite interactions of a quarterback center of all time.
How quickly did you realize you were mic'd up? The whole time? Or it was mid fury of just like i'm tired of this guy bitching i need to like go ahead i mean look when you're mic'd up you know to me you know the sooner you can forget about it the better right i always for sure kind of knew i was mic'd up in pre-game warm-ups because they you know you put your pads on you can see the tape over. So you're just kind of thinking about it.
And hopefully once the game goes, but we had run the ball all the way down there. Jason had a good, good run game.
We were playing a Monday night game against the Rams, ran it down there and the Rams in the side of the five yard line basically said, okay, enough's enough. They loaded the box.
We had a run play called first down and second down. They were blitzing everybody.
We audibled throw, throw, incomplete. Now it's third and goal, throw again.
So naturally, Jeff and the offensive line just like all of you are not happy. You know, why are we running to get down there and now we're going to throw it? And so we sit on our separate sides of the bench, but I can hear them talking.
I can hear them, you know, why are we throwing it? Just run the rock, run the rock. And I just – I kind of let it breathe, let it breathe.
And finally I just snapped. And I go down there and, you know, I'm all fired up.
And then I realize, Travis, I mean, I am in enemy territory. The entire offensive line is ready to, you know, support their center and come right at me.
I'm like, right okay let me kind of back off of this but uh hey um i'll tell you a good super bowl story about jeff saturday real quick every thursday during our entire career in indianapolis jeff and i played together forever we always did wet ball drills right where you know we're taking snaps before before practice and the equipment guy is spraying the water bottle on the football, creating the environment. And Jeff would get so mad, Travis, because he'd say, Peyton, we're playing in the RCA dome this week.
There's no chance of rain. I'm like, you never know.
There could be a link in the zone. You never know.
It's ritual at this point. You're going to prepare.
Anyway, we do that for eight years, right? And every Thursday, no matter what, we get to the Super Bowl. It's raining like just cats and dogs.
And we have zero fumbled snaps. The Bears have three fumbled snaps.
And I say that's why we've been doing the wet ball snap drill all these years. So those little things pay off in the Super Bowl.
They pay off. When you're a dome team, baby, that's good shit right there.
Eli, do you have any of those stories with Sean? Yeah. All of your centers? Well, I had wet ball drill with Sean every single day.
He was a shredder. He would shred so badly.
It wasn't rain. It was just swamp ass, huh? Yeah.
I mean, this is before you're in shotgun every playoff. We're under center, eye formation, and we're under center on first and second down every series.
Even third down sometimes we were under center and dropping back and throwing the ball. So, I mean, I was getting a wet ball.
I made him change his pants at halftime, which is a, you know. I've had to do that a couple times.
That's crazy. That's not easy.
That's, I mean, they basically have to cut the pants off because you got your shoes are spatted. You can just take off your shoes.
You're taped up. You're taped up.
Yeah, everything else. I mean, he's on his back, he's laying there, and people are ripping him off.
It's not that hard to get the pants on, but putting dry pants on a wet body is not an easy feat, especially open suites. So he was not happy about that.
He was ready for November to hit, the cooler weather. I didn't make him change the pants.
But we didn't have any fumbled snaps just because of all the wet ball drill. Just standard wet ball drill.
So good. All right, let's get off the centers and get on some tight ends, baby.
You guys both played with some great ones. Jeremy Shockey, my guy Dallas Clark, absolute legends, man.
I remember coming in and wanting to be like Shockey. He was such an energy.
He looked like a force to be reckoned with every single time he played the game. And Dallas Clark, I mean, his fearlessness over the middle, Peyton.
I don't know how many times I saw you guys throw a bender in cover two, and he just went up there and just got smoked for the team. He's just no gloves on, just going up, just running through a wall for a guy.
Shockey's bender is a little bit different than Dallas. Shockey, when you have a bender, that word means something different to Shockey.
I had to ask, though, what do you think it is about tight end and quarterback relationship that really gets the best out of the offense? I mean, to me, look, they're closer to the quarterback than the X or the slot. They're right there.
Just're right there, just kind of three players away, right? Guard, tackle, tight end. So they're kind of one of the last guys that you kind of almost break the huddle with, I feel like, Travis.
You could always – I mean, I see Travis and Patrick talking as they're breaking the huddle. And so you can kind of get the last word in, hey, if they blitz, break hot.

Hey, look, watch out for cover two man.

Give the guy a little stick to the outside before you bend it.

And so I think just that little extra conversation,

maybe that closer proximity kind of creates that tight end quarterback bond.

And I always felt like I knew where Dallas was going to be.

Look, what Patrick and Travis have created is a whole different level, but it's just a real comfort zone. And I love Dallas.
Like you said, he was fearless across the middle. We were down there with Kittle.
He was talking about tight end you. Oh, it's so much fun.
How Dallas still comes back and works it. So it's a special connection when you have a quarterback and tight end that have that feel for each other.
There's a confidence there, and I felt that way with Dallas. Obviously, you and Patrick have had that forever.
I think the other thing with the tight ends and quarterback, it's harder for a team to double a tight end. You might have a receiver on the outside.
Hey, we've got to take away this receiver. We're going to play two man or double him in different ways or play certain zones to take him away.
Where you kind of, some of your staple plays on first and second down, you know, hey, you're going to have a matchup in the offensive favor of a tight end on a linebacker possibly where, hey, we can run a stick route. We can get our completion.
So I think you just have a lot of your high percentage completion plays are kind of the tight ends, the number one read. And if they do take him away or they have bad leverage, you should have one-on-one with your receivers and get through your progression.
But I just think kind of some of your staples and your comfort plays, it starts with the tight end being that first read nice and we can all confirm that you you got to get that bond off the field and have some beers how many times you go on a bender with shockey no benders with shockey but definitely you know we hit the town in new york new york city a few times those first couple years he showed me some I definitely haven't been to since, let's say that. I love it, man.
Shout out to Shaki, baby. I got to ask this.
I don't know if he's going to, but what would you guys, I mean, you guys know that Travis is kind of known for not running the route on the page. I'd assume.
How would you guys have liked playing with a tight end that freelanced like that? Would you have been in favor of that? I'm not running the wrong route. I'm running what the quarterback wants me to run.
It might not be what's on paper. He might not even know he wants you to run it.
You see, I would agree with Travis. I feel like Travis keeps the offensive coordinator from kind of being one play away, right? You know, if you have outside leverage and you have an out route, I see Travis, you know, kind of just curl it in and Mahomes sees that and he throws it to him as opposed to saying, man, I wish we would have had the inside curl route on that play.
So he's kind of a coordinator's best friend. And look, as long as the quarterback knows that he might do that, I think that makes it okay, right? If all of a sudden you're just going to surprise the quarterback and just make stuff up, that's one thing.
But it doesn't look like to me Travis has ever surprised Patrick out there. He's just finding those kind of soft spots in the zone.
And like I said, the coordinator looks like a genius. Wow.
What an unbelievable play call. You know, created the perfect location for Travis to be open.
Meanwhile, Travis should have co-office of coordinator as part of his title. Can you believe they called a hook and ladder play right there? I can't believe it already told me you chewed me out if i if i turned inside on on stick on on a wide stick i would not have no no you wouldn't have thrown it absolutely absolutely i disagree with eli i see teams doubling you all time.
They just don't do it very well. They don't really take you away.
They still kind of somehow leave you open. I don't really know why or how they do that, but I mean, you beat the double teams, and like I said, if they're doubling you, that means somebody else has got to be single.
That's a good thing. Well, we'll get to our last segment here.
It's called We Gotta Ask, but you don't have to answer. You guys can tell us to fuck off if you guys don't want to answer these, but it's always fun, man.
We close all our combos with this segment and I'll get to the first one. Who got into the most trouble growing up? And you guys can even throw Cooper into this.
Yeah, definitely Coop. Coop.
one that's strange. The one brother that's not able to defend himself is immediately there.
Yeah, Coop kind of set the tone. And so we kind of do, you know, maybe to do the same things without getting caught.
You know, Coop was the one that got caught. And so Eli and I could kind of learn from there.
There's something about them older brothers not knowing how to not get caught. You got to flank.
You got to learn the art of flanking. I got suspended every freaking year of elementary school for getting in a fight.
Travis got into a fight and then went to the principal's office and got tickets to the Cavs game because everybody loved him so much. That's because I was such a good artist, Jason.
I won a contest. That was besides the fact.
But yeah, it was cool

seeing Cooper up at the

Super Bowl opening night last night.

Was he in the marching band growing up? I mean, he wore

that outfit pretty goddamn good.

Absolutely not. I don't know where he got

that costume. Zero

band experience, I can probably.

That's good.

He likes the harmonica, though.

If you give him the opportunity.

Oh, I would love to hear that. That's a lost talent right there.
Can he bend the notes? Can he do blues harmonica? Or is he straight? No, no. Okay.
You got our band geek all fired up over here. I'd say he's new to it.
It's all new. He's like a Bob Dylan, just kind of.
Yeah. Yeah, okay.
I got you. All right.
Travis'Outline. All right.
Your pops, Archie, was also a quarterback in the NFL for 13 years. What advice did he give both of you guys? Oh, slide.
Slide. Slide.
Slide. Slide.
He also told us we're not very fast, so don't run. And first of all, he could run.
That's good advice. And he said, don't do that.
Y'all are not fast. And when you get out there, get down.
Don't take hits. And, you know, we learned that the hard way.
You know, it only takes one hit in the NFL. And you're like, yeah, I should have listened to Dad.
He's definitely right. Yeah.
Definitely slide. Have.
It always kind of the last thing you used to text us or if we talked to him the night before the game was, hey, don't forget to have fun out there, which I think is a good reminder, especially in a game like this. You work so hard.
Have fun. Also, just kind of off the field, be sure you have a great relationship and respect with your equipment manager, the video director, the people behind the scenes that you guys know that don't get nearly enough credit or attention on a television broadcast but are sort of integral to the culture of a team.
You know, just little things like that. It was nice having a guy who played in the NFL that could tell you about little things like that.
Did you guys have any pressure to live up to, I guess, what Archie did? Because Travis and I, like, we didn't have a lot to live up with Ed Kelsey. I'm just letting you know.
There was a bar that was very low for Ed Kelsey. Don't you dare do that to me, Ed.
Well, for football, for football. Oh, yeah.
An athlete. Dad bar is set high for Ed Kelsey.
Extremely high, yeah. You know, my dad didn't sort of try to create an environment where he was just trying to raise kids he wasn't trying to raise nfl quarterbacks and maybe that's why it ended up happening because you know he encouraged us to play sports because of the valuable lessons that sports teaches but you know never once did we talk about this is what you have to do if you want to play in the nfl it was hey work hard to be to be the starting quarterback on the JV.
And after that, you know, maybe see if he can start on the varsity the next year. And his rule, Jason and Travis, was if we wanted his help, we had to go and ask him, hey, Dad, will you come to the school on Sunday afternoon and throw with our receivers? It wasn't him going, hey, we're going to run two miles today..
I think it was a healthy approach because we wanted his help because he played the game. I think that was a good approach that he took.
It made it fun growing up and never felt like pressure. Yeah, there's definitely more pressure than me trying to follow in Peyton's footsteps.
He was five years older than me. I go into the high school.
He set every record. I'm going into college.
He was just up for the Heisman. He was the first pick in the NFL draft.
It's like, geez, Luis, you feel like I didn't have to do the best at everything that I enter into and follow your footsteps. He was a great big brother as I got older.
He definitely picked on me and gave me wedgies and noogies and all those things, which I think helped me. It toughened me up and got me prepared for the NFL.
But he always did, like in college, he would come back and teach me the things he was learning in college. Hey, we're doing this on the three-step drop.
And, hey, this is some of the drills we're doing in college. You should be doing these now get a head start on these things so he did look out you know look out uh for me all the time and and uh and and probably put more pressure on me to to do some of these drills than my dad did well you you guys got the formula you guys got it figured out arch manning is having an unbelievable start to uh to his college career but also uh i remember I saw you guys playing knockout on TV when I was a kid, and I was like, I'm brother and right, because that's exactly how me and Jason played knockout growing up.
Let's keep this thing moving, though. Who has the most buns career stat? Eli with the most career fumbles or Peyton with the most interceptions by a rookie?

I guess mine sounds worse.

It's over a career.

His is just.

I would agree.

I would agree.

I would agree.

It's because of Sean Swinney.

We already figured this out.

God damn it.

Sean.

Although my interception record, you know, the 17 games,

I thought for sure it just would get broken.

I mean, nobody's coming close to it.

I'm disappointed.

And they're throwing more now than you were throwing.

More games, throwing more and less interceptions.

Something's not right.

They've got to get to skin in the first three games. If they can get to skin in the first three games.

You've got to get off to a good start.

Yeah, you do. Yeah, it is.
That's games. You got to get off to a good start.

Yeah, it is.

That's insane.

You guys have a new documentary coming out, Razor's Edge on Vice.

Omaha's forthcoming follow doc on Coach Calipari.

Oh, that's awesome.

Arkansas's man's basketball team.

What can you guys tell us about the doc?

Yeah, it's just a cool behind the scenes. You know, Coach Cal's done it a long time and obviously making the big move to Arkansas.
Just wanted to kind of document his first season. It's a changing landscape with NIL.
Coach Cal was kind of known for just sort of coaching freshmen, right? Kind of the one and done. And now he's kind of changed his approach where he's kind of changed his approach where he wants, you know, kind of older players.

He doesn't have that many players.

He's like, if I'm going to pay these guys,

I'm going to have a limited amount of players and play them all.

So just to kind of take people behind the scenes of what it's like

to be an SEC head basketball coach.

He went back to Kentucky two nights ago and won,

which was incredible because of all that he accomplished there, winning a national championship. Got kind of, you know, some fans were clapping when he came back.
Some fans were booing and hadn't gotten over it. But he went in there and won.
So, look, all these behind-the-scenes shows just give the audience a different view. So we're excited about it.
Razor's Edge coming out on Vice. Hell yeah.
That's awesome, man. I'm so intrigued in that.
I'm definitely going to be dialed in. If you were both playing college football today, who has the higher NIL deals? You've got to go with Peyton again.
The guy's a great spokesman. He's just He could sell a product? Yeah.
I wouldn't have accepted any of it. I would have given it all to my centers and my tight ends.
There we go. There we go.
You can just lie to the camera like that. Oh, my gosh.
So good. How has the NIL stuff changed the landscape? Because you guys both have kids coming up.
The documentary with Calipari, I'm sure, touches on the NIL. What are your guys' thoughts on NIL just in general? Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's probably a better question for Travis. I mean, Travis, are you seeing any change in the demeanor of college players coming to the NFL? Because, I mean, to me, that's the biggest thing that I was worried about, you know, are guys coming in as hungry, you know, to try to make the team, to try to, you know, obviously win a championship hopefully, but, you know, make some money as well.
Are you seeing that, Travis? It probably just depends on the individual. I think it has a lot to do with the culture in KC.
I haven't seen that. Our number one pick, Xavier Worthy, has been nothing but the hardest worker on the team.
He's just spent every single day grinding it out, trying to figure out ways to implement himself in the offense more and get better at the things that Coach Reed asked him to do. So I definitely haven't seen it in the rookies we've got, at least.
But, yeah, who knows? Yeah. I mean, to me me that's the thing that you know that i want to

keep is keep guys coming in hungry and trying to accomplish new goals and you know obviously help teams uh win so as long as we got that going you know i'm okay i'm with you love it nice well last question hypothetically um if there had been an official manning bowl who would have won Wow

I'll answer it

He doesn't want to say it

He's too nice

I mean he is

He in the

In there had been an official Manning Bowl, who would have won? Wow. I'll answer it.
He doesn't want to say it. He's too nice.
I mean, in the NFL games, I have not beat him in a real game. Now, flag football, Pro Bowl, I got that mastered.
But I'm 0 for 3 any time we face them in a real game. And so, but i that's just the way just the way it went those years it would have been i guess it would have been i don't know if it would have been fun to play you in a super bowl or not i mean y'all did it it's got to be all right now it was not fun at all it was fucking terrible the one thing i had a pretty good time.
Yeah, you enjoyed yourself, I'm sure. Yeah.
No hypothetical on this end, guys. Hypothetical.
Hip-hop, hip-hop, hip-hop. Hey, Travis, Jason, the one thing Eli has no clue and no understanding, and believe me, he's proud of it, is what it's like to lose a Super Bowl, right? And it's a horrible feeling.

Obviously, winning is as great as you think it is,

and losing is as bad as you think it is.

And so I'm kind of glad that it didn't happen

because I know that was tough on you two,

tough on your family.

And Eli and I played three times in the regular season.

My parents were an absolute wreck

and just in a regular season game.

And now you take that to the Super Bowl

and knowing, you know, obviously,

the attention a quarterback's going to get

Thank you. My parents were an absolute wreck and just in a regular season game.
And now you take that to the Super Bowl and knowing, you know, obviously the attention of quarterbacks going to get in a Super Bowl, win or lose, knowing that, you know, one had to win and one had to lose. I probably wouldn't wish that on my family.
So I'm probably glad that it didn't happen. And I think the way y'all handled that several years ago and the way your family handled it was first class, I know that was not easy.
Yeah, well, I mean, I had lost one. I hear what you're saying, Peyton.
I had lost a Super Bowl going into the game that we lost, so I just had to make sure that Jason felt that misery. That was just being a good brother.
You guys know about being good brothers. Did you feel bad going out that night and celebrating? Like, just knowing that your brother is crying in his hotel room and you're just fine just going out there and just...
Well, you know, once you have a few beers, you forget about everything. I was not...
I wasn't crying. I was pulling a Jeremy Shockey is what I was doing.
Eli, you brought up spags. Eagles are playing one of the best defense coordinators in the history of the NFL at this point, it feels like.
Eli, don't answer. What would you do? What would your game plan be going up against that? Blitz packaging and, like, everything that he can throw at you.
Like, what would your game plan be? Don't give it away. Don't give it away.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, not that I give away.
Spags. Spags is the best.
And, I mean, we saw it. It's the first time I've ever seen it in our first Super Bowl going against the Patriots where every time he had a strong side blitz and Brady made a call, hey, I'm going to pick it up.
He had the defense reverse it and just kind of make a call. And all of a sudden it came from the weak side and getting them to throw hot, getting them really just causing, really just kind of causing some issues saying, Hey, I can't be right with my protections.
He's all, they're flip-flopping it sometimes. And so you just see it, you know, unbelievable.
And last week's game, the last play, the fourth down against the bills versus an empty formation of a four by one. He brings a wheel corner blitz on the biggest, you know, biggest play of the game and gets, you know, has a free runner going.
So, I mean, that's his mentality. He wants the blitz, but it's not just, Hey, we're bringing blitz zero.
It's going to be some exotic blitz, some blitz. He hasn't done all game long, all game long.
He's not showing this blitz. When do you bring it? Fourth and five on the last drive and the most most critical moment of the game and so that's what makes him hard to prepare for is that hey how do I prepare for something I haven't seen yet or something they haven't done this year yet that he's not you know draw up for these critical moments and uh and just and then when you think he is on a blitz he fakes the blitz and going back to coverage so just when you think you got him he's just a mastermind he's a great leader he's a great human being um this is one of the great you know you know people and uh so happy for him all his success and um you know i think travis you know how lucky you are to have him on that defensive side just uh you know being being the leader over there one of my favorite all time, baby.
I'm right there with you, brother. Well, fellas, thank you guys for your time, man.
The Mannings have came through, man. One good brother to another, man.
We love you guys. Thank you guys for leading the way, doing things the right way, and always lending a helping hand, man.
We love you guys, man. Best of luck in the field goal kicks.
I can't wait to see this field goal kick. Yeah.
I don't know what I'm more fired up. I've seen enough Super Bowls.
I want to watch this field goal kick. That's what I want to watch.
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Our second food review. Was this gumbo or jambalaya? Gumbo.
Gumbo depending on where you're from crayfish all right jason dive in well there's two spoons i think there's two for your right hand left hand are you not gonna eat i'm not eating that no what kind of gumbo is this chicken and sausage chicken and sausage another reason why i'm not eating it right there you don't like chicken and sausage i'm not're not a sausage? Oh, that's right. Even when it's cut up? I thought that was just a phallic thing.
No. It's just a whole like...
The way you ate that was disgusting. That's fucking delicious.
Oh my God, that sound. It's so good.
What the fuck was that like slurp? I could use a little hot sauce. Who eats like that? Somebody wearing a white t-shirt eating gumbo.
Make sure you don't get any extra juices. I mean, you didn't hesitate one second.
You went back for like... It's delicious.
It's chicken and sausage in soup form with rice. I'm not going to lie.
I don't even know how to fucking attack this. I've never had a crawfish outside of like, what do you mean? I got a crack that fucker open.
Am I eating the belly? I got Greg. Locals helping.
Pop the tail off. Tail? Pop the tail off? What the fuck do you mean other way? That's a tail.
There it is. Thank you.
Of the tail or the body? Tail. So I'm only eating the tail.
Optional to suck the head. Optional to suck the head? I'm going to suck that motherfucker's head if it's optional.
How do I get this in? All don't know. I have no idea.

I'm not even getting any fucking meat out of this thing.

You've never ate a shrimp before?

I'll tell you what.

It's a bad idea to eat fucking crawfish on your goddamn lap in a white t-shirt.

This is a fucking awful desire.

Dude, you look great.

I'm struggling.

You've got to put your superhero mask on.

That's why.

Am I fucking doing this right? Is somebody telling me how to do this? 100% you are. You're getting it.
There you go. See, you did it.
It tastes great. But I'm kind of feeling the same thing I feel towards crab, which is just like it's a lot of work for like not that much meat.
This is better than crab, though. I dig that flavor.
What I do, suck the head. There you go.
Other way. This way? I was going to suck.
Go 45, two seats, baby, that's all we need. We can go to the bar at the dark, smoke that crawfish hair.
Nice. Shout out to Afro, man.
So you only eat the fucking tails of this thing

the fuck that just seems like such a waste

look at how small its tail is

oh yeah

well I need to see what your rhythm's like

man cause I'm getting no rhythm

and I feel like this is a lot

to throw away

that's why I'm sucking that head, dog. Baby, that's all we need.
Go to the farm. It's all in your beard.
This is great. I mean, on flavors alone, 10 out of 10.
Nice. It it is fucking delicious but on difficulty of obtaining the meat and just pure waste i'm going like four but it's absolutely wonderful if i knew what i was doing i think it'd be a 10 we are here for a reason there is the 59th Super Bowl in the history of the NFL being played.

59.

Yeah.

That's a lot of Super Bowls.

If I'm reading my Roman numerals correct, it's 59.

That is correct, yeah.

Continually gets more confusing when they start adding L's.

The L's always get you.

At what point are we just going to have to abandon Roman numerals because nobody's going to have a fucking clue what the Roman numerals means?

It's like cursive.

Yeah.

They don't even teach the kids anymore. What what's so x is five one ten ten yeah that's right i is one v is five x is ten l is 57 what's the most complicated roman numeral number you can like long we can come up with was it would be like so it couldn't be like subtract like 500 is just five c's or is 500 i don't know if this is the super bowl talk everyone wants to hear the largest number that can be represented in roman numerals is 3,999, which is written M-M-M-C-M-X-C-I-X.
Well, there you have it. We're going to have to abandon Roman numerals at Super Bowl 3,999 because good luck selling that merchandise.
All right. With this being your fifth Super Bowl, does any change with how you approach this game? Are you going to abandon all the other things that have allowed you to win? No.
I'm going to stay true to those, particularly the second half of those games. Try and start this one nice and fast.
I got to say this because I get – Okay, so everybody brings up the halftime being longer. Whenever somebody goes – So for those of you that don't know, the halftime being longer whenever somebody goes so for those of you that don't know the halftime is longer and typically it's like 15 minutes it's not that much longer it's 10 minutes more i don't know if i am just like so anti-organized have me do anything on game day you're preaching to the choir i cannot stay like when they're like okay we need to stretch at this and do this like motherfucker it's 10 more minutes i'm pretty sure i'm not getting a cold down i'm gonna eat an uncrustable and get my mind right for the second half i don't need you to tell me to stretch my quads make sure everybody knows that is the key at halftime is the uncrustable get you an uncrustable and go ahead and enjoy yourself i think gets over – well, I guess I'm one-on-one.
You are clearly a better record. Do you feel like people overthink that portion of the Super Bowl? You know what? Selfishly thinking, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, people do like structure and people do like to kind of be under, you know, some sort of regimen.
I think it helps guys in their first couple years, or at least it did in my first Super Bowl, to just relax, understand this is how much time is going on. And it gave me something to do.
Did I stretch the next time? No, but I, you know, I understood what I was capable of doing at that point. I understood the system.
I understood like what was happening. It was, I was more familiar with the, yeah, the entire Superbowl system.
So it's just like, I didn't do a lot of the stuff I did my first year. Maybe it's because I played a position that mentally you were making calls and trying to like discern, like, what do we do? What's the plan? But I think you're very much wired that same way.
I would have much rather taken the more allocated time and be like, hey, let's talk about what we're going to do in the second half even more than we get allotted in a regular halftime. Because a regular halftime, you're speeding through.
You're like, okay, this is what they're giving us. These are the coverages we're seeing.
These are the runs we're getting to. These are the concepts we like on third down, yada, yada.
Let's go out there and play ball. It's like, no, like no let's actually talk about like what are the first 10 plays we might run coming out of the second half and like really dial in on this stuff rather than you know do a quad stretch somebody might need that quad stretch you're right if jason kelsey doesn't need it jason kelsey ain't gonna fucking do it i just feel like just drink yourself a water and sodium.
Get you some pickle juice. Yeah.
Get you. Eat you an Uncrustable.
Maybe snag an orange. Jog back out to the field.
Guess what? You'll be warm again. I'm also just anti-stretching in general, so I'm not the person to ask.
Two World Wars. Two World Wars.
I played in fucking world record consecutive games for the Eagles. Maybe I'm on to something.
Stretching is overrated. Push-ups, sit-ups, Jumbo Jax.
Two World Wars. The only two times I pulled a muscle, and I'm not making this up, is when I was doing yoga.
I was in a yoga class in college, pulled a muscle. Then I started doing some yoga in the NFL one year.
I did a yoga class class very same week, pulled a muscle. And I'm like, this stretching shit is for the birds, dog.
It ain't for me. But to answer your question, I think over the last four Super Bowls that I've been to, I am at a completely different place as a leader.
So I feel like getting everyone comfortable is my biggest thing. Because I'm going to go out there and I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to play my style of football because I'm confident in where I've been and how I've gotten here and things like that.
But we got a lot of new faces that haven't been in the Super Bowl yet. And I'm sure it'll hit them like it hit me my first really two Super Bowls.
And it'll surprise them how emotional it'll be for them. So trying to weather that storm and make sure they feel comfortable.
And the biggest thing, man, is if adversity hits, man, band together, man. This is a team sport, brother.
You didn't get here alone and you got guys fighting right there with you. You hit the nail on the head.
I think having the structure is nice for the guys that want it there. And then if you don't want to do it, most of the coaches realize the older guys that want to get something else accomplished, yeah, go do your thing.
They're not going to push back on it. We're just making sure everybody feels comfortable and not letting the moment get too big.
That's going to be my biggest concern is just making sure everybody feels comfortable and playing our style of football, man. I think we're playing the best team that we've played yet, and it makes sense going into the Super Bowl.
I think offensively, defensively, special teams-wise, both teams match up really good. At the same time, I got all the confidence in the formula that we've had under Coach Reed and just how we do things in KC.
I I just, you know, I believe in the guys next to me. And if we play our style of football, man, we're going to put ourselves in a good situation.
That's the biggest thing. The emotions of the game can cause people to do uncharacteristic things that they normally wouldn't.
Yeah. So how do we avoid that? It can either make you timid or make you way too ballsy.
Yeah. Or it can make you just right.
If you weather it right, it can be perfect. It's like, oh, this is the biggest game.
I got to be great. I got to go do something crazy.
Or you can weigh over a thing. I've done both.
I've done all of these. Yeah.
I've done absolutely all of these. A lot of fans are asking if Pat is okay after the Mavericks traded his favorite player, Luka Doncic.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
They trade him to the Lakers in case you live in a sewer. Pat's tweets almost gave the Chiefs a heart attack.
He said, I'm sick right now. And everybody was like, wait, what? Yeah.
I knew exactly what it was because. Yeah, you were probably with him.
Well, yeah, I'm in a few different group chats with him. And everybody was like, Pat, what the fuck is going on in Dallas? Obviously, a Dallas kid and grew up a huge Dallas sports fan.
He's been at countless games. We were actually at a game, and I got to say what's up to Luke.
We talked about it on the show. Did Pat say what's wrong with what happened? I'm pretty sure nobody knows exactly what happened other than the GM.
Even Mark Cuban came out, and I was listening to my guy, Jan Parsons, talk about it. He said, yeah, I don't have any idea what's going on.
It's still up in the air on if it was the good move, the right move to make. Did you see, what was the, what do you think? What do you think the equivalent? Well, you don't even watch the NBA, so I got to.
I watched some of it. All right.
Yeah. I've not watched any this year.
Who's in the, who's in the number one seed for the East? I've just told you I've not watched any this year. I know it's not the Six Nice.
Yeah. I have not watched any this year.
Who's in the number one seed for the East?

I've just told you I've not watched any this year.

I know it's not the Sixers.

Yeah.

You're right.

They are shrugging.

It's the team that honored you and gave you a jersey that you sat courtside at, Jason.

Nice.

They're balling like that.

I knew they had a good start to the year.

I have not followed them.

Damn it.

Go Cavs, baby.

It's our year.

Let's go.

But at the same time, yeah, that tweet and everything kind of got confusing, but Pat's good. Pat's all good.
He's not actually sick. He's healthy.
All right, let's fucking go. I can't wait for this Sunday, man.
I'm so freaking fired up. If it wasn't for the Mannings getting me fired up talking about the national anthem or Jason talking about how he'll be happy if the Eagles win.
I am so fired up for this game.

I love it.

And I just want to win.

I relish in these moments, man.

I've been waiting all year to fast forward to this game, man.

What's the most electric National Anthem?

You already know it.

Chris Stapleton.

There's just no one even close.

Fucking killed it.

On a sad day, I will put that video on.

I'll go to YouTube. Just to watch me and Nick Sirianni cry and then revel in the fact that you beat us? Hmm.
I never looked up like that. Chris Jones cried too, to be fair.
Chris Jones. I cried, but I kept my composure.
Yeah. But more so, Chris did his thing in one of my favorite performances ever.

Yeah.

It was very electric.

Nice.

Well, let's get to our last food review.

And you make folks feel what you feel inside.

All right, Brandon, bring the king cake and the beignets in.

Oh, yeah.

Trav, are you allowed to eat this?

No, but I am.

What?

Wait, are you allowed to eat or are you not allowed to eat it? No, I'm not allowed to eat this, Jason. But for the sake of the show, I will eat this.
You're willing to do something like that? What if Andy came in right before you were about to take a bite and take it out of here? I fucking offer him one and see what happens. All right, which one are we going at first? King cake or beignet? Let's go cake.
Beignet is going to be messy. It's the closest one.
All right. Oh, I love the texture of that cheese.
The cinnamon black. So what is a king cake? Cinnamon roll.
Yeah. Glazed cinnamon roll.
Glazed cinnamon roll roll there's a little bit of like a minty frosting in there it's not your typical frosting there's something in the frosting for sure sprinkles you think this it's minty sprinkles i'm not gonna lie i'm getting zero mint it tastes like something from philly to be honest like something i would get at wawa's it tastes a cinnamon roll with frosting and sprinkles on it. I'm giving it a good seven.
It's delicious. It's almost like a honey bun.
I was going Tasty Cake. It's kind of like a Tasty Cake with frosting.
It's a good loaf of bread, for sure. Good bake.
Good bake. Good rise on it.
Where are you going? I went 7 out of 10. It's no tasty cake honey.

It's hard to give like a number when you don't even know what like.

Are we rating it on just like a baked goods?

Yeah, we're rating.

7 out of 10.

There you go.

Beignet, let's go.

How do you spell Beignet?

B-E-I-G-N-E-T.

You just read it.

Cheater. All right.
I hope there's enough sugar on this. This is my quirk tonight.
I will eat all of those. So what is, are you supposed to do anything with a beignet other than like, I've never, first of all, these fucking beignets are huge.
I've never seen beignets as big. That's my kind of shit right here.
Are you supposed to like dip them in something or just eat it? Eat it. Do you typically have these with coffee in the morning like a donut? Are these good beignets? These are fucking these are good beignets.
Oh. Dude.
It's just a it's a funnel cake in a like a in a donut fashion. I can get on with this.
One more week, Travis. I love funnel cakes.
One more week.

Get me out of there.

Get me out before it's too late.

Beignets are really hard for somebody with facial hair.

I don't know if you can tell.

I feel like I'm wearing it.

You're good.

You already have white in your beard, though, so it just blends.

It just blends in.

I can't wait till my beard is fully white.

Dude, it's almost there.

It's getting there.

You're going to be Tim Allen and Santa Claus in, like, a year. I mean, I'll be Tim Allen and Santa Claus this year.
If Santa Claus dies, I'm in the front yard. If you guys caught that, that was a good one.
Dude, if you become Santa Claus, you got to invite me to the North Pole. I got to go because if it's anything like the movie with The Rock.

I can't.

I got to uplive.

It's going to be just me and Bernard.

And Kyle's going to have to raise the kids on our own.

Out of 10.

Out of 10.

We got to rate it out of 10.

I'm going to put.

I'm going 9 out of 10.

The bread was a little, but it's probably just because it was baked in the morning.

You can tell that thing freshly fried and hot. Ooh.
I'll take a dozen. Funnel cake.
It's basically just a funnel cake that's susceptible to eat at any time. Yep.
Which I can get on board with New Orleans. I'll get on, baby.
Yeah. All right.
Well, shout out to the beignets. Compared to sucking the backside of a crawfish head, Beignet gets an 8 out of 10.
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No Dumb Question. Did Travis use a DeLorean or a hot tub time machine to travel back in time and invent the Pony Express.
Alexander Major is my ass. You can't convince me that this is not Travis in a top hat.
I mean, if I'm looking at myself in the mirror, that's pretty damn good. Yeah, it's pretty solid.
I will say that they couldn't be me because I would never be seen with that fucking hat on. Travis, you need to go.
This needs to be your pregame Super Bowl fit. Top hat? I remember wearing a top hat.
Not too long ago. Where'd you wear a top hat to? I don't remember that one.
When I was in London. Oh.
I do remember that. So I got caught in my own lie.
I enjoy wearing those. But only in front of 80,000 people.
You pulled it off. Well, there's a lot more people than 80,000 people that saw that.
But you pulled it off really well. Thanks.
It's always scary. Have you ever came across a really like Jason Kelsey? Travis, we are the most generic white-looking people on the planet.
It is so many people. There were just 25 of them in downtown new orleans and you could not pick me out of a fucking lineup you're where's waldo dude dude have you ever seen that salt and pepper beard out of fucking anybody i i look like i could yeah i could take one one good look at those tits and know exactly who i look like 12 former presidents including grover cleveland the Theodore Roosevelt, and like any other ones that are white with a beard.
Alright. I remember Jonas Valanciunas.
Yeah, I remember you telling me this story. From Lithuania.
Getting drafted in the NBA. And I was like, holy shit, I'm Lithuanian.
I mean, we're not far off. It's close.
I mean, dude, you can't tell me that i don't have lithuanian in my blood eastern europe i mean it's definitely in eastern europe but is it northeastern or is it like slavic area it's slavic for sure i'm lying i have no idea for some reason i feel like it's up north is it by serbia no it's not that yes yes that's higher north way up there that's that's different area'm not going to lie. I feel like our ancestors just fucked their way across Europe.
It feels like we have a little bit of everything. Yeah.
Which is why we look like everybody. True American mutt.
Yeah. I guess I'll pass the 20.
Oh, we need a little bit of this over here. We have our Ashkenazi over here.
Our Irish over here. Our Slavic down here.
Our Serbian here. We actually don't have any clue what we are on dad's side because he's the only one that didn't get the 23 and me or whatever.
It's true. It's true.
We got to get that out of him. He just always says he's American.
I'm American. Didn't matter.
Yeah. We have ancestors in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
I guess that's accurate, Pop.

So, yeah, solid photo.

What was the question there?

There was no question.

Is Travis a time traveler?

That was the question.

Are you a time traveler?

I have some Marty McFly's, but that's about as close as I get to time traveling.

If you could time travel, where would you go back to?

Ooh, man, I'm trying to see some dinosaurs.

Trying to figure out how the fuck they made those pyramids.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right?

If I could time travel, I'd go back to Super Bowl 57 and make sure that we win that fucking game.

So then I wouldn't be depressed about not having lost that game.

Hmm.

Yeah. I really don't feel that bad about my Super Bowl.
I lost to Tom Brady. I mean.
Yeah. We won against Tom Brady.
I didn't do much, but it was fun. All right.
Let's get to this next one. From Tati, I know the history uh behind this picture on do we don't we don't know the fucking history i play football for a living my memory goes that i was strong as fuck as a baby look at that dude i'm fucking doing curls with travis kelsey that's a pro he's only two years younger than me that's a pro Travis is probably he's not even a year old in that photo that means i'm not even three yet that head of hair I'm doing curls with my offhand peanut butter and jelly in my right I don't know if you saw that I'm fucking yoked dude it's an impressive it might be the most impressive photo of my life captured in two and a half years you gotta get that outfit dude that is your kind That is your kind of outfit.
It's my outfit. Dig the socks.
Got a nice bulge going. I hate you for making me look at your bars.
I fucking hate you, dude. I didn't want to do it, man.
All right, let me get out of this fucking thing. Thank you for the picture.
You guys want to do a voicemail? All right. Let's do one voicemail.
You can just press it. Press.
Press. Hi.
My question is, we, since we know that the winning Super Bowl team gets like a big party after, what happens to the losing team? Are you kidding me? Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing at that? The fuck is psychopath? These are fucking dreams from your childhood that you built up and you lose them. That was harsh.
Yeah. To answer your question, the losing team, they both have parties.
And the one I lost actually was COVID year. So we just jumped back on the plane and went to fuck home.
And I thought about jumping out the plane, honestly. It's very weird.
So they already have the parties set up in advance. So you still have the party.
It's just the saddest party i've ever been to picture a birthday party combined with a funeral and that's what a super bowl losing party feels like the funeral always overrides it for sure yeah no it's like well there's like because there's a bunch of like happiness that it's themed with but everybody feels like somebody just died yeah kind of trying to justify what happened and oh yeah like that was it was a fun season you remember like we if we would have done this if we would have done that and coaches are leaving and you're saying goodbyes to teammates who aren't going to be there next year just going on a jeremy shockey shockey man i was i'm i was on a shockey a good two years. The good thing about the Super Bowl is you're going to go on a Jeremy Shockey.
You don't know which kind of Jeremy Shockey you're going on. Oh, you know.
But if you win, you're going on a Jeremy Shockey. And if you lose, you're going on a Jeremy Shockey.
Shout out to Jeremy Shockey. For being the best of both worlds, man.
For being the tight end of Travis Giles who looked up to his entire life. Oh my god, I still do.
I still do, Jeremy. I gotta meet you with Shockey, man.
Fuck. You've never met Shockey? Dude, he's literally the only one.
I haven't caught him at any of the NFL. What is he doing now? I'm pretty sure he's hanging out around Miami football.
He went to the U, so I think he helps those guys out and just enjoys South Florida. It's not a bad life.
Yeah. All right.
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