LeBron James on Playing in the NFL, Jordan's Pick-Up Games and Favorite Career Milestone | Ep 120

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Speaker 2 I mean, any of them.

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Speaker 2 You got cheddar.

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Speaker 1 Dude, I'm pretty pumped. I'm nervous, but I'm pretty pumped.
I've always wanted to ask him just everything on my mind.

Speaker 2 I know. It's going to be hard.
You're not going to have that much time. I'm not.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what's on the rundown.

Speaker 2 I'll take care of the rundown. You just tree-ball it.

Speaker 2 LeBron, do you think I could play in the NBA?

Speaker 2 You don't want the answer to that?

Speaker 1 He saw me trying dunk last week. Yeah.
All right, let's fucking go.

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Speaker 1 92% as we got a banger.

Speaker 2 We got a banger.

Speaker 1 We got a TBK.

Speaker 2 That's been a long time coming. And with the playoffs here, the stakes could not be higher for him to come on the show.
He's the king himself.

Speaker 1 King James is here. That's right.
Northeast Ohio's finest.

Speaker 2 Get ready for some fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to help us recap the wild card weekend. We'll talk a little Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Lots and lots of other fun because I've always wanted to talk to the king about everything Cleveland and everything basketball, man. So this is going to be a fun one, man.

Speaker 1 This is going to be a fun one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, before we get into LeBron, we just wanted to take a second and stop down and say that our thoughts are with everybody in the L.A. area.

Speaker 2 I think we've all seen the footage and at this point know people personally who have been affected by these fires and this tragedy. So our thoughts are with you.

Speaker 2 There will be a link in the description if you want to support. That's redcross.org slash NFL.

Speaker 2 I really don't know what's going to happen in the, even just the coming days, let alone the coming weeks, and how this is going to get rebuilt.

Speaker 2 So just let you know, you know, we're thinking about you.

Speaker 1 Everybody, yeah.

Speaker 2 We know this is not easy.

Speaker 1 How did you did it feel special out there in Arizona at the Rams game?

Speaker 2 You know, I was walking through the, so normally we're out on the field and we're not in the concourse area. But because of transition, we couldn't have that set on the field in Arizona.

Speaker 2 And when I was walking through the concourse area, I saw like the LA Fire Department hat that the Rams were co-signing with. I'm like, God dang, man.

Speaker 1 Like, man.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It just hit me right in the moment.
Oftentimes, football can be a distraction from some of these things.

Speaker 2 And I always enjoyed playing when there was crazy things happening outside of the game as a way to kind of just not have to think about it for a little bit. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, the Rams winning on Monday, you know, gave the fans and some of the citizens some much-needed escape from the things that are happening.

Speaker 2 But shout out to everyone that's involved in helping prevent, rebuild, you know, just the emergency responders that are there helping out the people that are in need.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was pretty powerful seeing a lot of the L.A. fans in that place.
I really thought Big Witt killed it in his speech.

Speaker 2 That ain't the first speech I've heard from him. And he always kills it.
He's always away with words. And he's obviously really personally connected to all this stuff being out there in L.A.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, let's get on to LeBron. Let's pick up some spirits and get this conversation going.

Speaker 1 Joining us today, the 6'9

Speaker 1 forward from Akron, Ohio, the number one pick of 2003 NBA draft, 2004 Rookie of the Year, 20-time NBA All-Star, four-time MVP, four-time NBA champion, three-time gold medalist, and the NBA all-time leader in career points.

Speaker 2 That's right, 92%ers.

Speaker 1 Please welcome Northeast Ohio's finest, Mr. LeBron James.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yo, yo, Jason, that might, yo, Jason, that might be the greatest introduction of all time.

Speaker 1 Found at the end with the powder. Oh, my goodness, you guys are fucking unbelievable.

Speaker 1 This dude is just wearing the powder.

Speaker 1 Who's going to clean that shit up now?

Speaker 1 Kylie is not going to be happy about this. Jason, you got to blow the powder away, Jason.

Speaker 1 You got to study the technique, man. Don't weigh too much in there.

Speaker 1 All right. This guy looks like a fucking ghost, man.
That shit's great, dog. You started doing the powder what year? Was it your rookie year? No, I don't remember if it was my rookie year, Trav, man.

Speaker 1 I think it was maybe second year, maybe third year. But

Speaker 1 I used to just go up

Speaker 1 to the counter, man, go up there, put a little powder because, you know, I like the resin on my hands and make the hand. Okay, was that like a shrimp move? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I just went up there, do a little bit of something, and then just went to the game and then uh you know i started doing a little bit more and they started like doing that towards the scorers table and they said i seen them kind of like you know getting ready for me to do it and then i started doing like this and i threw it up a little bit one time and got a little bit more excited i was like you know what

Speaker 1 it i'm just gonna yeah

Speaker 1 it's iconic man it's fucking iconic hell yeah

Speaker 2 all right well we're gonna get into this right off the bat because i think this is incredible super uh wild card weekend round you've been working with draft kings yeah yeah you went five for six look at this pitch

Speaker 1 some football you have the chargers to win baltimore to win buffalo to win eagles to win commanders to win rams to win that's crazy that's crazy you're are you um i mean we knew we knew you played football back in the day at uh at st.

Speaker 1 vincent st mary man yeah yeah yeah Has it ever actually like crossed your mind what you could possibly do in the NFL? No, absolutely.

Speaker 1 absolutely absolutely like like has it have you ever like taken it like a serious thought like man what if i just did one year yeah the only time i've like really taken it like super duper serious i believe was i think it was 2011 when we had the nba lockout and uh you know and i didn't know like when we were gonna uh make the deal with the with the owners and and get our league back going so i i actually thought about it a little bit back then i was still young enough you know to get out there with y'all but um you know that's the, that's the only time I've actually seriously considered it, I've had serious dreams about this shit all the time.

Speaker 1 All the time. And you know what?

Speaker 1 And my dream never actually, the ball is never kicked off. It's like me in the warm-ups.
It's me coming out, running my routes.

Speaker 1 And then right when the game started, I was like, fucking wake up or some shit. I'm like, okay.
Yeah, that lets me know I'm not supposed to be out there. There you go.
Time out. Come on.

Speaker 2 Just to let you know, you're still young enough to get out there.

Speaker 1 We're going to see how young people get up and down the floor. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Who do you think your biggest comparison would have been in the league? Everyone always likes to say Gronk or maybe even Calvin Johnson. I was about to say Megatron, probably the closest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll probably like a mix between Gronk or

Speaker 1 Randy Moss a little bit, but he's a lot smaller than me. He runs a lot faster, but he's a lot smaller than me.

Speaker 1 But like Megatron, we kind of have that same like stature as far as build or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 Tony Gonzalez with him and his size, and obviously he played basketball as well. I used to love his celebration when he used to dunk on the goalpost too.
I bought it.

Speaker 1 Oh, actually, I saw you do it too, my life.

Speaker 1 Oh, here it comes. I tried.
I tried. I might have just smacked backboard on that one.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Just smack the glass. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I know. The NFL had a nerve to fine you for that shit.
I'm like, come on. Okay, relax.

Speaker 1 Relax.

Speaker 1 It was fine, well, worthy. Actually, Tony G helped me out with that one.
But instead of throwing any money at me, I just told him to send it to the foundation. So he sent it to the foundation.

Speaker 1 So shout out to Tony G for that. Shout out to Tony G.
Yeah, give it up. Give it up to Tony G.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The only game you missed in that parlay was the Texans Chargers game. What I mean, we know you're a big football fan.
I guess what is, how do you watch the games?

Speaker 2 Like, how do you, how do you stay knowledgeable of all this stuff? You're a busy dude, man.

Speaker 1 Listen, I try to watch as many, you know, NFL games, you know, college games, you know, high school games. And yeah, I'm very knowledgeable about the game.

Speaker 1 I remember playing it, obviously, but you know, just watching you guys out there and seeing the way y'all play, it's not just like as a fan, which I'm a fan of the sport, but also kind of like you know, my IQ about the game.

Speaker 1 So, the Chargers, uh, Texans game, I was off on that.

Speaker 1 I felt like you know, the Texans they hadn't played uh consistent football all year, you know, and obviously losing Stefan Diggs and losing Tank Dale.

Speaker 1 You know, I just felt like big pieces, you know, big pieces. And, you know, you know, my boy,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you know, my boy, you know, CJ Stroud has been struggling a little bit this year he you know he had the rookie of the year last year you know ohio state uh alum but he was struggling too losing those big guys and i felt like the chargers was coming in on so much you know i felt like they had it i feel like they had an opportunity you know and coach

Speaker 1 been coaching those guys really well this year but turnovers we all know the name of the game and in sports especially in football man is turnovers And that defense for the Texans, they turned them boys over multiple times.

Speaker 1 You know, that's the game right there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're defense balled out.

Speaker 1 Some tough ones for Herbert, too, man.

Speaker 1 Through some hands and deflections.

Speaker 1 Those are just daggers, man.

Speaker 1 You mentioned Ohio State, man. I got to ask, man, did Trestle ever come and knock on the door? Did Trestle ever come? I know basketball was always there with that.

Speaker 1 Did Trestle ever come and knock on the door? Absolutely, man. Trestle knocked on the door plenty of times.
They wanted me to come up there and be a

Speaker 1 two-sport player, i.e., Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 We saw what Travis Hunter did this year, you know, with Colorado, but definitely they knocked on the door. And it's like, if you come down to Ohio State, we want you to play both sides.

Speaker 1 And I would have definitely thought about that. My best friend at the time, Sheehan Cotton, went off to Ohio State Full Ride to Ohio State, and he played for Ohio State football.

Speaker 1 So that would have been super dope. I could have like roomed with him, played football

Speaker 1 during the football, basketball during the winter and spring. So that would have been dope.
Man, Buckeyes, man.

Speaker 1 That would have been crazy to see you in a Buckeyes jersey. That would have been dope.

Speaker 1 Maurice Clarette was coming from around that Northeast Ohio area, too he was uh i believe they had just won it yep yep he was uh you know what's crazy uh ohio mr football uh when maurice corrette won his senior year i was top three in runnings for mr football as well

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 he went crazy man he went to uh warren harding

Speaker 1 yeah yeah he went insane his senior year and then his freshman year went on to ohio state and they was able to beat that uh jogger not of the miami hurricanes that year yeah you know for the national championship but uh maurice correct was a beast man beast was that absolutely 2002 right this was 2000 this would have been 2003 four so they yeah yeah yeah three four yep yep man oh man that team would have been nasty

Speaker 1 something that happened over the uh over the weekend is uh you know we thought we could relate it to you because you're a big book guy

Speaker 1 you're a big big book guy um aj brown was seen reading a book on the sideline of the game did you catch this i did catch that I was watching the game and I did catch that.

Speaker 1 I can say I've watched the NFL for 35 plus years of my life. That's the first time.

Speaker 1 That's the first time. I've seen guys eat Skittles, Marshawn Lynch.
I've seen guys with the oxygen tanks. I've seen guys meditating.
I've seen guys slam helmets. I've seen a lot of shit.

Speaker 1 That was the first time I've ever seen a book been brought out on the bench. First time.

Speaker 1 You ever seen that in the NBA? No, No, no, never. No, no.
No, no, like just

Speaker 1 something to ease the mind. Just go ahead and read a few passages.
And by the way, when AJ Brown said the reason for why he did it, you know what? It was great.

Speaker 1 And then they showed the clip when Saquon had the touchdown run and he slid. And you see Devontae and AJ like messing around with him, like, man, go score that.
And he's like, no, man, no, chill.

Speaker 1 I was like, the chemistry is still there. So,

Speaker 1 you know, the chemistry is still there. They've been playing good football.
That's all that matters. You know, I think that's 10 in a row for them.
They got it going.

Speaker 1 So, hey, if it's working for them, let them keep going, man. Whatever works, you know.
I'm with you on that. No doubt.

Speaker 2 What about this Bills Ravens game? Staying on the topic of these playoff games, man. We got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
You had the tweet during the game.

Speaker 2 Henry, King Henry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 There's anybody that can call somebody a king.

Speaker 1 I think we win right now.

Speaker 2 What do you like in this game?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a tough one, man. Obviously, I think Buffalo, you know, has,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say it's not surprising anymore, but they lost a lot of pieces in the offseason, you know, and a lot on the offensive end too. And then they lost a lot in their secondary, too.

Speaker 1 You know, Micah Hyde left and Poyer left, and

Speaker 1 Tredavious White left, you know, and all those receivers. So it was a lot of like, okay, will they be able to

Speaker 1 get to this point where they are? Well, they still got Josh Allen and Josh Allen,

Speaker 1 he's been unbelievable.

Speaker 1 So, you know, for Lamar, listen,

Speaker 1 this is what they want. You know,

Speaker 1 this is why they grabbed Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 This is why they, you know, made the change with the office of coordinator to be able to get to the point where they could play either Buffalo or play Travis and them boys.

Speaker 1 Listen, if you want to be crowned, you have to, you know, beat the top teams in the AFC. And the top teams in the AFC over the last three, four, five, obviously.

Speaker 1 20 years if you're talking KC.

Speaker 1 These fucking guys.

Speaker 1 It's Buffalo or it's KC. So, you know, it's up.
This is, you know, in order for Lamar to get to where he says he wants to get, he has to go through Buffalo. He has to go through KC.
So

Speaker 1 let the games begin.

Speaker 2 I can't wait to watch that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's been knocking on the door, man. He has been knocking on the door for sure.
Yeah, he's been knocking on the door. Yep.

Speaker 2 Henry definitely helps, man. He was running.
He was like a Clydesdale running through that hole. He was fresher than I've seen him all season.
I don't know how.

Speaker 1 Man. That was amazing.
Absolutely. Yeah, super.
It looks super fresh. Absolutely.
King Henry. I've been loving the commercials of you and Kevin Hart, man.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 Just what I thought, because it was a celebration one in the middle of the season. I was like, man, every time it came on, I was dying laughing.
But the new ones, you guys got some heat, man.

Speaker 1 You and Kevin are absolutely hilarious together, man. I can't wait to keep seeing these things unfold.
No, absolutely, man. Me and KF is one of my best friends, man, when it comes to this.

Speaker 1 And when we get on set, you know, we have a script and then it gets to the point where we just like, man, let's just riff and let's see what comes out of it. Let's just do it.

Speaker 1 And whatever comes out of it because of our chemistry you know it's great working with kf working with draft kings being able to to you know do things like that where it's just easy for us and uh we knock those things out very easily and and happy that people love them you know because it's definitely fun it's definitely sure you already know i can only imagine how fun it is

Speaker 1 exactly exactly always

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Speaker 2 Well, let's move on to your football career a little bit. We talked about a little bit ago.
Receiver at St. Vincent St.
Mary, I believe you're in a 4-4, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The highlights are incredible, but we need to settle something. We've started this debate, and I'm sure you're aware of what we're about to ask.

Speaker 2 What is easier to do? An NFL player going to the NBA or an NBA player going to the NFL?

Speaker 1 Oh, my From a guy that literally could have played both.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows you could have done both. So

Speaker 1 I respect this decision. This is a great debate.
And

Speaker 1 I've been hearing and seeing people's responses and seeing people's questions or whatever and going back and forth.

Speaker 1 I want to say that I think it's easier for a basketball player. to try NFL

Speaker 1 over the NFL player trying to get into the NBA.

Speaker 1 I just, and I know we got some great athletes. I've seen Keon Coleman's highlights when he played, you know, and it's a lot of guys that's played basketball.

Speaker 1 I've seen Zay Flowers play his high school highlights as well. Yeah, Zay Flowers.
He's super athletic, fast, quick guard, you know, but I would say basketball to football.

Speaker 1 An NBA guy decides to go play the NFL. Yes, it's going to take a transition period.

Speaker 1 And for me, it would have been like getting used to being hit again. Like, I remember just in high school, I was to go from

Speaker 1 summertime playing basketball, playing AAU ball, and then going into the fall, I had to get used to getting hit again. Like, that's first three practices, first three practices.

Speaker 1 Once you put on the shoulder pads and the helmets, like getting hit again is the most important thing.

Speaker 1 And then, like, you know, getting the cadence back, you know, getting your routes back and all that. But once you get into a groove, you're like, okay, you know, I got it.
It's like riding a bike.

Speaker 1 Football going to basketball, it's such more, you know, coordination and

Speaker 1 running and jumping. And it's like consistent.
You know, it's consistent. It's consistent.
It's a way of doing it. It's consistent.
It's consistent.

Speaker 1 You know, with football, you say, hike, you know, whatever your cadence is, boom, it's quick, quick twitch, you know, and then settle back, reset, quick twitch. Settle back, reset.

Speaker 1 And six seconds at a time. Exactly.
Six seconds at a time. But in basketball, you can go on for four or five straight minutes with no timeouts, no breaks.
And you got to keep your mind fresh.

Speaker 1 You got to keep your eyes. You got to breathe.
Like you got to, you know,

Speaker 1 Jason isn't, isn't built for that one. I was about to say, listen, I could have definitely played in the NBA.
No question about it.

Speaker 1 Bron, I got to know if there's one player outside of yourself who you think would be able to make the cleanest transition into the NFL, who would it be?

Speaker 1 I would say off top of my head, I would say Russell Westbrook

Speaker 1 or Anthony Arrows. I think Russ would be an unbelievable strong safety or free safety.
You know, his ability to kind of. Do you think he's playing defense? I think so.
I think so.

Speaker 1 You know, and Russ, he comes with that natural aggression off top. He does.

Speaker 1 He got that Derwin James type aggression.

Speaker 1 He shot to hit somebody. And I think Edwards, I've seen a lot of his

Speaker 1 Little League football highlights. And also, I think he played in high school as well.
Oh, I got to check those out. He looked like he could make the transition as well.

Speaker 1 But off top, I think Russ, for sure. Yeah.
Anthony Edwards has a bit of that mentality as well. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
What I was seeing, too. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 This fellow, Ohio Injure, we got to talk about Cleveland. Did you know Trav saw you play when you were in high school?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, baby. Cleveland State, baby.

Speaker 2 Have you guys ever talked about this?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he did. I did.
We talked about this a couple of times. He came to Cleveland State and watched me rock out, man.
Man,

Speaker 1 I was in middle school, man. I was just trying to see the king, man.
I was trying to see it before it went pros, man. I wasn't sure if you were going to land in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Luckily, you did, and I got to see you play a countless amount of times up at the Gund Arena, then the Quicken Loans Arena.

Speaker 1 But But yeah, man, saw you down at Cleveland State. How many times did you play at Cleveland State? I can think of two off the top of my head, but.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think I played at Cleveland State probably about five times. You know, I know I played a few times early on in high school and then definitely a couple of times in my senior year.

Speaker 1 So it was definitely... It was definitely a fun time being up in Cleveland, playing up there.
And I even played at the Gundarina too, my senior year. Yeah,

Speaker 1 we played against Warrensville Heights, you know, my senior year. And

Speaker 1 I don't like to talk about this too much, but my game, my senior year, had more fans than the Cavs had that year.

Speaker 1 Actually, the only time they had more fans when MJ played in Cleveland. But

Speaker 1 that's too funny, man.

Speaker 1 That's too funny.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, man.

Speaker 1 For whatever reason, man, I was still like... One of the biggest Cavs fans, even though they were the worst team in the league.
Darius, Miles, Boozer,

Speaker 1 all those dudes,

Speaker 1 Ricky Davis, man, all those guys. You You get a few highlights a game, man.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure.
Like, you knew they didn't win a lot of games, but they're going to give you a couple plays here.

Speaker 1 Ricky D, you know, D Miles, Smush Parker, Booze, like, all those guys was on that team. You know, it was fun to watch, even though, even though you know they wasn't that successful there, man.

Speaker 1 But it was fun to watch. Well, you turned them up, baby.

Speaker 2 But you bring up a good point with like you bringing more fans to the gun than the Cavs did. I don't think people now realize just how big you were in high school.

Speaker 2 Like, unless you grew up in that, it was, it was so crazy.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Right.

Speaker 2 The level of expectation and fame that you had at St. Vincent St.
Mary. Like, I've never seen anything like that to this day.

Speaker 1 No, you're right, Jason. And the funny thing is, like you say, like, and this is before social media, so you couldn't really

Speaker 1 unless you was there in real time.

Speaker 1 You didn't know. It was just word of mouth.
It was like, okay, I heard about this kid from Northeast Coast.

Speaker 1 I heard about this kid. It was like, okay, well, like, who's trying to make a trip to Akron, Ohio? Who's trying to come to Cleveland?

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, but like, if you happen to be, you know, going to the Canton Football Hall of Fame, or if you happen to be going to Cleveland to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or if you was to happen to be in town and I happened to be playing with the show, you understood what the hype was all about, you know, why it was so much conversation.

Speaker 1 So I can only imagine if social media was around there, we would have, like, I don't, it would have been too much for Northeast Ohio at that point.

Speaker 2 That's interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really like you were, you were the last of like that legend era of like word of mouth. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Man, back, back when you were playing, when I was playing, like, back,

Speaker 1 guys had to literally be the absolute best to get some sort of highlight tape.

Speaker 1 If you, if, like, there was nobody just out here just getting, just putting their highlight tape on YouTube and getting looks or getting clicks. No, no question, Trav.

Speaker 1 Like, right now, like, if you, if you, you could be anywhere in the world now, and because of the phones and because of the things you can capture, you could be recruited and get accepted.

Speaker 1 Back then when we played, if you didn't have a coach to come see you live, it was going to be hell because you showed up that day. And you had to show up because they was all over the place.

Speaker 1 Like they was not just going to come and keep coming back if you didn't show up. And you had to perform in front of those coaches and

Speaker 1 you knew those games that those big time coaches was there too. So it put even more pressure on you to show up.
So

Speaker 1 absolutely. You're right about that, man.
We had to, like, us three being Northeast Ohio kids, like, we had to show out when those coaches was there or we didn't know if they was going to come back.

Speaker 1 You missed the train. Yeah, you missed the train.
Yep.

Speaker 2 Not only were you from the Northeast, you end up going to the Cavs. You end up bringing the first title to Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Man. You wasn't

Speaker 2 like 50 years or whatever.

Speaker 1 57 years, 57 years or something crazy. 57.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Fuck, I was just remembering it. I wasn't alive yet.
Why do I get this pressure?

Speaker 1 That's crazy, man.

Speaker 2 I do got to ask, of your four championships, where does the one in Cleveland rank?

Speaker 2 I mean, the first one, it's hard to top the first one.

Speaker 1 Ain't that the truth? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We all remember our first one, and we know the feeling that we had when we won our first one because of like all the disappointment before that.

Speaker 1 You know, all the hard work, the dedication, the things that people don't see, the nights that we cry about what the fuck we could have did better in order for us to get that first one. one.

Speaker 1 And then you're able to prevail. That first one is so, so special, so, so dear.
But man, it's nothing better for me than that Cleveland one just because of

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 1 Like, like you said, the 50-plus years of no championship in Northeast Ohio.

Speaker 1 You know, the seven years I was there beforehand, and it took me to leave and to come back to like to understand or appreciate it even more.

Speaker 1 Being down 3-1 with the greatest team,

Speaker 1 the greatest team, 73-9 Warriors with Steph and and

Speaker 1 Clay and Draymond and, you know, and coming back and winning that game and winning that series for the city of Cleveland for Northeast Ohio. That's why you saw the emotion.

Speaker 1 Let me be fired up right now.

Speaker 1 This is fired up right now.

Speaker 1 You saw me crying on the court. It was like, it all just like,

Speaker 1 like that one.

Speaker 1 2016,

Speaker 1 I would become an old man someday. We will all become an old man.

Speaker 1 I know we got great beards. They're going to be all gray at some point.

Speaker 1 Coming in on the sides. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That year, that's one year I would never forget, 2016.

Speaker 1 It was an unbelievable time. I came back and went to the parade, man.
It was absolutely epic, dog. I appreciate you again for doing it.
I know I've told you a million times, man.

Speaker 1 It's the greatest parade, man. Absolutely.
For Cleveland one time, baby. Cleveland would be the only sports town to win a series 3-1 and then baseball days the exact next series.

Speaker 1 Lose 3-1. We could have been on top of the world forever.

Speaker 1 We could have been on top of the world forever. But it's all good.
Cleveland. By the way, the Cavs look amazing right now as well.
They got another opportunity. We are rolling.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I hope they keep it going. They got an opportunity to do something special.
So, you know, I'm glad I was able to put on first,

Speaker 1 set the trend, and hopefully we keep it going. We go, Cavs.
There you go, baby.

Speaker 2 Well, now that we're in the NBA, you've went viral a couple of weeks ago, I guess now.

Speaker 2 Who owns Christmas?

Speaker 1 According to you,

Speaker 1 I love the NFL, but Christmas is the NBA. Well, listen.

Speaker 2 We are sneaking in on that too.

Speaker 1 Listen, listen, listen, listen.

Speaker 1 I saw the fucking numbers after the fact.

Speaker 1 You guys kicked our ass, all right? Okay.

Speaker 1 From a viewership standpoint, y'all kicked our ass.

Speaker 1 You had, you know, the games weren't as great as they should have been. They should have been.
But when you had fucking Beyonce come out there,

Speaker 1 I thought it was a bigger game. Mahomes and Travis, you guys go there and kick Pittsburgh's ass.

Speaker 1 Beyonce comes out there.

Speaker 1 But I had, you know, when you go out there and you got your little brother and he might get beat up one time, you're like, hey, we didn't lose that fight.

Speaker 1 We stand here.

Speaker 1 That's how I felt. I had to stand up.
I had to stand up for the NBA.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 You've had a couple of huge milestones recently. Recently passed Kareem Abdul Jabbar for most points in your career.

Speaker 1 That's crazy stuff, right?

Speaker 2 And obviously obviously, you and Bronnie became the first father-son duo ever to play in the game. I mean,

Speaker 2 what career achievement means the most to you? Besides the titles, we already talked about the titles. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like this type of stuff, like,

Speaker 2 which one is the biggest deal to you?

Speaker 1 I think, besides the titles, you know, obviously the titles rank right up there. There's something that you, you know, when you get into it, that's all you play for.

Speaker 1 When you're able to get with a franchise and y'all all believe in the same thing, it's like special, man. Yeah, we are competing for championships in and

Speaker 1 every year without a question. And when you're able to to accomplish that, it's like, that's exactly what the hard work and dedication is for.

Speaker 1 But for me, you know, obviously, when it comes to the titles, that's one separate thing.

Speaker 1 But to be able to be in this league and play in this league and also being able to do it alongside Bronnie right now, that's like one of the biggest accomplishments and probably the number one accomplishment I've ever been able to do.

Speaker 1 Like to work with your son.

Speaker 1 That's crazy from a lot of people. And like, not only sports, you know, but I've heard it in business and walks of life.
And they say it's the greatest thing you could ever, ever have.

Speaker 1 And, you know, to see him every day, you know, grinding and

Speaker 1 going through the process of trying to become who he wants to become while I am, you know, sitting there and just watching him and doing the things that he wants to do and being able to just take it all in.

Speaker 1 It helps me get some of the

Speaker 1 minutes and hours and years back. that I did not have with him because I was playing so much and on the road and doing my own thing and traveling.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 So to be able to get some of this time back now, man, it's pretty special. He's handled the the hype and the scrutiny and everything so perfect and so well.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You had the hype coming out, but there wasn't the expectations of being

Speaker 1 of being as great as you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I didn't have to deal, you know, we go back to the social media.
I didn't have to deal with the social media trolls either growing up.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 You know, and I didn't have to deal with my father being

Speaker 1 this fucking.

Speaker 1 Guy that's on the pedestal. I have to deal with that.
Bronny has to deal with all of that.

Speaker 1 And if you ever meet Bronnie, Bronny, then you'll realize, you'll be like, I'm such an idiot to look down on him or not want him to do great. He is the most chill, easy, fun kid in the world.

Speaker 1 He goes to work. He goes home.
He takes care of his body. He plays his video games.
He reads a little bit. And then he comes back and does the same thing.
And he's like.

Speaker 1 the best big brother that his little brother and little sister could ever have. So, you know, but he's dealing with all that too.

Speaker 1 So, you know, but that's going to make him, I think it's going to make him be even greater because having to deal with all of the things that he's dealing with and still being able to come back from a life-threatening situation and still have that motivation, still have the motivation.

Speaker 1 He didn't have to. Bronnie doesn't have to play basketball at all.

Speaker 1 It's not like he needs the money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a smart individual. Yeah, you know what I mean? He can do whatever he wants to do.
He can do whatever he wants to do. Like if he wants to be the CEO of my company, he could could be that.

Speaker 1 I'll give that to start teaching them right now to be that if you want to. But he's like, this is my career.
This is my goals. And this is my aspirations.
And I want to play ball.

Speaker 1 This is something that I love. And

Speaker 1 I love that kid. He's awesome.
He's awesome. Can't wait to see him keep going, man.
Man, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 At what point do you even realize that that's something that can happen? Like, I look at my kids. I'm like, bro, that's insane.

Speaker 2 You're playing with your son in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You also had your first daughter when you were like 30.

Speaker 1 That's fair. But either way, I just think it's amazing.

Speaker 2 And I don't know, it's got to be like, at what point do you like, I might be able to actually play in the NBA with my, like, was there a moment or like it was, you know, what?

Speaker 1 It's a video clip of me that somebody sent to me not too long ago. I think it was about seven years ago.
And it's so weird. It's either seven or five years ago or whatever.

Speaker 1 I think Bronny was either in the seventh or eighth grade.

Speaker 1 And it was my 15th year in the NBA. And I felt incredible.
I think that was the year I played all 82 games. I played every playoff game.
I think I played like 105 games total that year.

Speaker 1 And I came out of that season, I felt so damn good.

Speaker 1 And I think somebody caught me, like, you know, do you ever think that this possibility that you may stick around to possibly play with one of your kids?

Speaker 1 I was like, man, the way I feel right now, there is a possibility.

Speaker 1 And it just hit you right then. It hit me right then and there.
And

Speaker 1 God willing and

Speaker 1 damn bat crazy shit to me, it happened. Yes, absolutely.
It absolutely happened. But yeah, it's pretty cool, man.

Speaker 2 Dude, yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2 All right, well, we're going to get to this we got to ask, but you don't have to answer section.

Speaker 2 We're going to rattle off a bunch of questions feel free tell us off yeah just tell us the off man we got we got it we got to know the answers to these ones yeah yeah we usually end all of our conversations with this so uh we got a list of questions again you do not have to answer but we do have to answer ask them uh there's a story about you playing in an infamous pickup game with michael jordan when you were 16 years old What was it like?

Speaker 2 Is that true? Like, can you tell us how you played?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when I finally was able to get on the court,

Speaker 1 first of all, MJ, Antoine Walker, and the rest of those guys did not let young guys get on the court at all.

Speaker 1 And I was 16 years old, I was sophomore in high school, and it takes a while to get on the court. It's usually when the older guys get tired and they don't want to play no more, they like whatever.

Speaker 1 But I did, and I was able to get on the court alongside, I was on the court with Michael Jordan, Antoine Walker, Penny Hardaway,

Speaker 1 Ronald Tess,

Speaker 1 Michael Finley, all these guys.

Speaker 1 Who guarded you? Nobody.

Speaker 1 I was unguardable.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 I was 16. I was in high school.

Speaker 1 There's a

Speaker 1 was 16, the baby fro? Yep, that was the baby fro. I was in Chicago at MJ's court.
It was called Hoops. There's a clip out right now of actually Metal World Peace talking about that moment as well.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, man, I gotta check it out. When I finally got out there, I was like, I'm busting ass, man.
I was nervous. I was nervous as hell being out there with MJ and the rest of those guys.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding me? I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 I'm about to go crazy. And I did.
I did, man. That's awesome, man.
I did. That's awesome.
Man, I wish I was in that gym that day. That's crazy stuff, man.

Speaker 1 Well, you see all these shoes behind me, man. You already know I'm a sneakerhead.
I know. I've collected them over the years, man.

Speaker 1 Was it always Nike?

Speaker 1 You used to wear the T-Max at St. Vincent St.
Mary. I think I've seen you wear the old Iversons.
Was it always Nike? Trav, no, it was not. It was not always Nike.
It was Nike when I was a young kid.

Speaker 1 When I was a young lad, obviously, you know, you, you know, I've been in love with Michael Jordan my whole life. So,

Speaker 1 you know, I saw him, uh, Penny Hardaway, you know, Ken Griffey Jr., Bo Jackson. I watched all these unbelievable sports figures.
So as a kid growing up, it was Nike.

Speaker 1 Once I got into the AAU program, started playing basketball, Adidas took us over,

Speaker 1 you know, and it became Adidas. It was Adidas like from seventh, eighth grade to pretty much my junior, senior year.
They sponsored us every year.

Speaker 1 We played in all the Adidas tournaments, big-time tournaments in Vegas and all over the United States of America. So

Speaker 1 it was Adidas. And then my senior year, the process began.
The recruitments, the Nikes came in, and the Adidas was still there. Reebok came in

Speaker 1 and won.

Speaker 1 You know, all these companies came in. And I took on three

Speaker 1 pitches. I did a Didas pitch, I did a Reebok pitch, I did a Nike pitch.
The best pitch that I got where I thought I was going to end up was actually Reebok at one point. Reebok.

Speaker 1 I went to their meeting. I went to their meeting

Speaker 1 and I sat down across from their CEO and the guys that was running basketball. At the time, I don't know if you guys remember this, but Reebok had the NFL as well.
Yes,

Speaker 1 that's what it was when I first got into the league. Yeah, they had the NFL as well.
So they, you know, know, they knew my love. They knew my love for football as well.

Speaker 1 So they had all the NFL jerseys, all the Pro Bowl-looking jerseys that was going to be the next year.

Speaker 1 And I'm sitting across from the table. I'm a senior in high school.
I actually have to have, I actually

Speaker 1 go to the class. I'm going back to class the next day.
They flew me in. I'm going back to St.
Vincent, St. Mary the next day, my senior year.

Speaker 1 And the guy slides over a check to me at the end of the table. It's me and my mom and Maverick Carter at the end of the table.
And he says,

Speaker 1 if you don't go talk to any other companies, this is yours. And I look at it.

Speaker 1 I look at it.

Speaker 1 $10 million fucking dollars. Oh!

Speaker 1 $10 million.

Speaker 1 Right there as an 18-year-old, I was still stealing change out of my dad's fucking piggy bank.

Speaker 1 I was a high school senior man. They gave me a check for $10 million.
And if I promised not to go see anybody else, I told him I need a break. They stepped out.

Speaker 1 I need to fucking break. I don't even believe it.

Speaker 1 I need to talk about it. My mom looked at it.
And me and my mom, we're living in an apartment and, you know, Section A housing in Akron. I'm going back.
I don't have shit, whatever.

Speaker 1 And my mom looked at me. She said, son,

Speaker 1 trust your gut.

Speaker 1 If they're offering you this, then who knows what the other companies may offer you.

Speaker 1 okay mom yeah ma she's composed yeah she's super composed she's like we ain't got shit already so it's not like you know it changes our life at this moment yes maybe in the future but i want you to trust your gut and

Speaker 1 do what you think is right that's awesome advice man so they came back in boom i said uh thank you i will you know I will definitely like to continue our conversation, but I would be remiss if I did not take those other pitches from the other companies.

Speaker 1 I may have cried on the way home because I had to leave it to me.

Speaker 1 You're questioning. Man, I hope I just made the right decision.
I was like, I could have bought the building that me and my mom was living in with that goddamn money.

Speaker 1 Easily.

Speaker 2 I got a similar, my, my rookie year or my rookie contract. I'm coming up.
I'm redoing my rookie contract. And I decide, I potentially, I'm like, okay, I think I might do this myself.
I might forego.

Speaker 2 It'll just be my own agent, negotiate my own contract. And thankfully, my agents were like, they talked me into like, no, no, no, we need to, you're going to want an agent.
Trust me, Jason.

Speaker 2 They sent over the first offer, and I was like, all right, where do we sign? They're like,

Speaker 2 we can get it. We can go high.

Speaker 1 We can go high.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. That's funny as shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that first time you get a check like that thrown in front of you.

Speaker 2 You never forget.

Speaker 1 You never forget. Never seen that many zeros in your life.
Never, never, never. Yes, yes.
Man, that's too funny.

Speaker 2 Have you seen this tweet from 2015? LeBron is 30.

Speaker 1 This fuckery won't go on for much longer. Thank God.

Speaker 1 Yes, I saw that tweet throughout all of my 30s. All of my 30s.
And I laughed at it so hard. You put it up in the locker and you just put it right there.

Speaker 1 And you know what's funny? When I turned 40, the same fucking guy said, LeBron turned 40. This fuckery won't go on much longer.

Speaker 1 That's fucking gold, man. So good.

Speaker 1 So good. Look at that.
That's so good. Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 He's going to be real upset when I turn 50.

Speaker 1 No doubt.

Speaker 1 No doubt. That shit was fucking classic, man.
Bron, did you ever hoop in Heights Gym? I don't think I hooped at Heights Gym, man.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. You know what? I was actually thinking about that.
And if I, I don't, I know it was never a game.

Speaker 1 I never played Cleveland Heights in Cleveland Cleveland Heights, but I might have been there for maybe a summer league game or just for a run or something. Man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Either way, man, it's

Speaker 1 Northeast Ohio forever.

Speaker 2 I want to ask one more question. And I know you've talked about this before.

Speaker 2 How did you do this? From the expectations that were on your feet. Trav, you touched on this.
Like, I just never seen anybody, and I don't know that I ever will, handle

Speaker 2 every step of the way with such just like class and grace. Like, I don't know, man.
It's just been remarkable to watch the whole journey and to see the whole thing happen.

Speaker 2 And I know it's not over yet and keep on going, but I appreciate it, man.

Speaker 1 What is the wisdom?

Speaker 2 What's the wisdom to anybody else?

Speaker 1 Listen, Jay Traff, man. Um, one, knowing where I came from, you know, you come from Akron, you come from Cleveland, you come from Northeast Ohio.
You know that you are

Speaker 1 one or two and three in a billion. And if you get that opportunity, man, you one,

Speaker 1 you can't, you can't fuck it up. You just can't.
Yeah. Got to lock in, man.

Speaker 1 You know, being from a, you know, single-parent household and, you know, and just me and my mom, I have no siblings, you know, seeing the struggle that my mom went through and things of that nature, that was another thing that I was like, okay, you can't fuck her up.

Speaker 1 Like, you just can't, you know, because now you're given this opportunity.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then I started thinking about my career. I was like, what do you want to be? And how do you want to be remembered? Like, do you want to just go out and just play ball?

Speaker 1 Or do you actually want to be remembered when you're not playing ball? So, like, I took that into consideration. I took that into serious account.

Speaker 1 I was like, I want to be the greatest that anyone has ever seen in the sport ever.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, okay, but in order for that to happen, not only do I got to put the work in on the court, I have to make sure that I take care the business off the court as well.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't be a shit show. You can't be a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 You can't be doing things that affects anything that has anything to do with your profession and being available to your teammates, being available to the franchise, being available every time you get out there, that causes a distraction.

Speaker 1 I felt that. And when I started to start my family, that was another part.
And I knew Savannah was the one. I started having kids.
I was like, I didn't have that male influence. My dad wasn't around.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, I can't fuck that up. So like,

Speaker 1 all of this is like piling on, piling on, and piling on. And yes, with the weight of the world on my shoulders.

Speaker 1 I remember I did an interview. I wasn't even in the NBA.
I think I had just got drafted. I did an interview with like Bob Costas or something.
I think it was him.

Speaker 1 And he said, How does it feel to know that if you're not a first round ballot Hall of Famer, people will

Speaker 1 look at you as a failure? I was like,

Speaker 1 I said, first ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 I'm like 18 years old. I said,

Speaker 1 I haven't even played the game yet. Like, people look at me as a failure.
I was like, that, I was like, oh, shit. I haven't thought about that.
I haven't even thought about that. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 There's people out here that really want me to fail. Oh, my goodness.
And I use that as motivation. I was like, I got something for y'all.
I got something for y'all.

Speaker 1 So, man, it's a lot, but it's also just like to the young guys out there that feel the pressure, that, you know, feel like it's maybe too much.

Speaker 1 Like, if you just put the work in, don't be an asshole, be a good person, you know, and dedicate yourself to the craft. The game will always be kind to you.
That's all.

Speaker 1 Take care of your body, eat well, you know, give your faith, you know, to the higher aboves because we're nothing without them, them, obviously. And just be a good person, man.
It's not hard.

Speaker 1 It's not hard to saying, thank you. You're welcome.
How you doing? Have a good day. All that type of good shit.

Speaker 1 It's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
Leading your life in the right direction, baby. There it is.
You get rewarded. Yep, you get rewarded every single day, though.

Speaker 2 It's been inspirational the whole way,

Speaker 2 not just as a player, but I mean, off the field, what you've done. from a business side.

Speaker 1 Like Trav,

Speaker 2 I know you know this, but the impact you've had on players, not just in basketball, but other sports who have seen the success you've had all walks of life.

Speaker 1 The empire you've created around yourself, the trust you've been able to have with the people around you. I mean, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 I've taken notes since the jump, man. I keep a lot of people

Speaker 1 very similar to me, close to me and around me in the business profession.

Speaker 1 took notes from you on it. So I appreciate you doing the right things always and forever.
And I appreciate you coming on tonight.

Speaker 1 Thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir, man.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. New heights went to a new height today, baby.
Let's go, baby. Let's go.
Let's go. Got the king, man.
Let's go. Thank you very much, dog.

Speaker 1 Tell the family we said a lot.

Speaker 1 So much love for you. Best of luck to you in the next game, man.
I'll be watching.

Speaker 1 You know we'll get after it. Yes, I already know.
I already know. All right, my guys, love.

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Speaker 1 Holy shit. Man, it's just never enough time with my guy, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, that flew by.

Speaker 1 I just want to just grill him. I just want to, and I never want to grill him whenever I'm hanging out with him.
Like, I never want to just bring up, just fuck them. I'm bringing up Nike.

Speaker 1 So, was Nike always, you know what I mean? Just like,

Speaker 2 put him on the spot.

Speaker 1 If you had any advice for someone getting into business venture,

Speaker 2 perfect, perfect. That's what I was going to do.

Speaker 1 Just keep gripping him. Oh, man, he's the best, though, man.

Speaker 1 What a good dude, man. Ah, that was

Speaker 1 the Cleveland kid in me. Whenever we talk to just some Northeast Ohio guys or girls, it's just, it just comes out of me.
I feel like I'm like 15 all over again. It's fun stuff right there.

Speaker 1 There is flower everywhere. Hilarious.
Absolutely hilarious. You're like George Washington.

Speaker 1 Oh, look, look, it's George. George.
Quick divisional round. Look ahead.
Let's talk a little football.

Speaker 1 Even though we just talked the previous week with LeBron and DraftKings, any surprises from you specifically

Speaker 1 on last week's matchups and the outcomes?

Speaker 2 Nothing that's.

Speaker 1 I mean, in the playoffs, anybody can win.

Speaker 2 That's why it's the playoffs, right? So nothing that surprising.

Speaker 1 Playoffs.

Speaker 2 Tampa was... one of my sleeper teams.
I really thought Baker Mayfield, the only part of the season where they dipped down a little bit was when Evans and Godwin got hurt.

Speaker 1 And they weathered that storm pretty well.

Speaker 2 I keep thinking Washington doesn't have the roster this year, and they keep proving me wrong. So I'm going to stop thinking that.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, I just, I keep thinking they're just a year away from having the guys to really get it done. But, man, Dan Quinn, Jaden Daniels has been playing out of his mind all year.

Speaker 1 It's taking care of the ball, man.

Speaker 2 And they're stopping the run. I thought Bucky Irvin was going to have a hell of a day, and he played well.
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 I keep thinking that there's, you know somebody's gonna have a game where they just kind of dominate the trenches on both sides of the ball and it's just not happening Tampa Bay didn't play bad like it was a good game

Speaker 2 they had a couple mistakes at the end that really hurt them but Washington also was I mean they had a couple fourth down calls that like kept Tampa in it you know what I mean like I think the

Speaker 2 Washington punt they're punting like what none no times no no punts no no turnovers they were they were moving the ball they were putting together sustained drives like I've been impressed with Washington all year, but I didn't think that this would be their year to compete with the big dogs.

Speaker 2 And I've been proven wrong, clearly. Jaden Daniels has had a tremendous season.
Their whole defense has been galvanized on an organization and team that I think has lacked a lot of

Speaker 2 hope and leadership a little bit.

Speaker 2 with the whole Dan Snyder thing. And I think Rivera is a phenomenal coach.

Speaker 2 It felt like that organization was missing something. And And for this to turn around this quickly has been remarkable.
Shout out to all those guys, man. And Bobby Wagner still playing lights out.

Speaker 2 It's been awesome to watch. My man, Zach Ertz is out there balling.

Speaker 1 Ertzy. Man, I love seeing him get after still in his career, man.

Speaker 2 For sure. You know, shout out to Baker on a great year.
I know it's not the way those guys wanted it. I'm just happy that he's found a home down there in Tampa playing well.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm right there with you. I thought

Speaker 1 that was the one upset that I didn't see coming. And

Speaker 1 they got to really, I mean, I think they're the ones playing the lions right they're playing the lions this week this will be a big one yeah i mean yeah if you can stop the run

Speaker 2 bro well this is the one like i don't know man i just they play so well like they're so well coached on offense and defense washington and detroit but they're

Speaker 2 like every time i think they're going to get run on

Speaker 2 Dan Quinn and this defensive line shows up. Bobby Wagner starts making plays.
Like the Eagles had a couple big counter runs on them early the last time they played Washington. Saquon had a big run.

Speaker 2 He was like over 100 yards in the first quarter damn near.

Speaker 2 And then right after that, you see Bobby start scraping over the top of the tight end and ruining that play.

Speaker 1 It's a vet, man.

Speaker 2 To put it in, Jonathan Ganny used to use this word all the time. They're salty, man.
They find a way to get it done.

Speaker 2 They're a resilient group.

Speaker 2 And now they find themselves

Speaker 2 playing in the divisional round. And it's been an incredible year for Washington.
I mean, I would be beyond shocked if they get it done against Detroit this week, too.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, at some point, it's just they're having a great year. The quarterback is playing really well.
They're well coached. And it seems like they're a great group together.

Speaker 2 So, kudos to Washington for getting it done.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the Commanders, baby. Let's, let's, speaking of next week, let's go ahead and talk some

Speaker 1 divisional around football, baby.

Speaker 2 Okay, okay. Well, we got Chiefs, Texans.

Speaker 2 How do you feel? 25 days since you last played on Christmas.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 2 You got to feel pretty fresh.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I've

Speaker 1 been getting after it. I've been getting after it.
Never, never too fresh. You got to keep the wear and tear on the body.
You can't let your body get out of the zone. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 You got to stay in the zone. You got to, that's why we were in pads this week.
We had one or one practice in pads, and we got after it ones-on-ones a little bit.

Speaker 1 And that keeps you in the groove, right? That keeps you feeling football.

Speaker 1 It keeps you kind of having that endurance, that muscle memory that you need to come out and play fast, man. But the Texans, I mean, you want want to talk about playing fast.

Speaker 1 That D-line, that defense,

Speaker 1 it's a real deal right there.

Speaker 1 And they showed it this past weekend against the Chargers on what they can do and they can create turnovers. They're a tough team.
They're a tough team, man. And I'm excited for the challenge, man.

Speaker 2 Their secondary is very good. They can match up with pretty much any team in the league.
Their defensive line plays very aggressive. They're well coached with D'Miko Ryans.

Speaker 2 Matt Burke, dude, it's crazy how many staff members I know for the Texans.

Speaker 2 Damiko Ryans, I played with. Burke, the DC, was with me in Philly with Jim Schwartz.
Corey Ungman was with me in Philly. Billy Davis was the DC with Chip.
Nate Ollie's the defensive line coach.

Speaker 2 Like, dude, I know the entire fucking defensive staff.

Speaker 2 I was doing one of their games. They just kept walking by.
I'm like, God damn, you all motherfuckers are over here. They're well coached.
They play physical. They play fast.
They got a great group.

Speaker 2 Really do. So it's going to be a challenge for you guys.
Shout out to Houston and good luck this week.

Speaker 2 What's the keys to victory?

Speaker 1 The keys to victory, man. Yeah, what's the keys to victory? I've heard about that.
Play physical.

Speaker 1 Just give the

Speaker 1 ball over.

Speaker 1 Get out to a fast start.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 1 It's always like a finish struggle.

Speaker 2 It's like the head coach for the keys to victory just has like a running like seven list of like what it could possibly be. And it's just how do I rearrange into three keys?

Speaker 2 Turnovers is always there. Take care of the football.

Speaker 1 Which, I mean, playoff football.

Speaker 2 You got to control the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 You got to control the line of scrimmage. If you're big boys up front, you guys control this thing.

Speaker 1 That's going to indicate the outcome right there. Yeah.
No, man. Got to play complimentary all three phases.
Got to play together. Like it's football.
It's not that hard, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows that those are the things you're going to do.

Speaker 2 Okay, so the same thing that works every week for victory's got it. Okay, do those.

Speaker 1 That's the the one jason that's the one no uh obviously this team plays very very well together man and uh it's going to take all all 11 on the field

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 i just said these another one of them you can't you can't stop like it always comes down to that it's just the same thing every single time um no gonna punch him in the mouth gotta punch him right in the mouth

Speaker 1 well let's talk a little eagles uh rams yeah the rams coming into town you think saquon scores instead of slides this week dude i was like, just go score, baby.

Speaker 2 And what was, he's like, I didn't want to put the defense back out on the field. Is that what the.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, you never know what happens. It's very unserving.

Speaker 1 I remember a play, similar play happening where we ended up scoring a touchdown. The defense goes back out there and somebody gets banged up and misses the next week.
So it's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, that was the thing. I'm going down at the one, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Get all of my yards I can. But then, I mean, you know, I don't know.
Man, that's why he's where he's at. I'm here.

Speaker 1 Anyways. Selfless.
Selfless. Absolutely selfless, man.

Speaker 2 And he's been like that the whole year.

Speaker 2 So he's just the ultimate team player. I expect nothing less.

Speaker 2 Definitely would have scored if it was me. But, you know, that's why I don't play running back in the NFL and get 2,000 yards.

Speaker 1 There you go. You did average nine yards of carry, though, in high school.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I went all over that turf over in Lakewood.

Speaker 2 I was flying on that astro turf.

Speaker 1 These kids nowadays don't know what turf is. Yes.

Speaker 1 You ever heard of astral turf it's carpet over a parking lot

Speaker 1 over a parking lot people call uh what we play on now turf an astral turf i'm like no this is different this field turf no this is completely different yeah all right you don't this isn't carpet you don't have to put strips of tape so that your skin doesn't get scrubbed off We bring extra bottles when the when the trainers bring extra bottles of

Speaker 1 was it peroxide? Yes. All right.
Because we're fucking all day just fucking dumping it on wounds. Everybody leaves with a raspberry.
If you didn't leave with a raspberry, I don't want you playing.

Speaker 2 But I'll tell you what, when you're young and it doesn't hurt your joints, it's fun because you're fast. You are flying.

Speaker 1 You are fast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everyone brings tennis shoes instead of cleats. It's like a reminder to everybody the day before.
And don't come with your cleats tomorrow, guys.

Speaker 2 I had those little nubs. I had like actual astro turf cleats.

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah. Those are the best.
Yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 that's impressive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just had basketball shoes.

Speaker 2 It works too.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 2 But yeah, no, I'm excited about this game. I mean, the Rams, obviously, I was just there this Monday.
They played a phenomenal game against the Vikings, Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 They're clicking on all cylinders right now

Speaker 2 in L.A. So it's going to be a great game.
It's in the link. The Eagles got the better of the Rams last time they played, but the Rams have been.

Speaker 2 have been getting better. They played so fast this past week.
And I don't know if it was having the week off the week before where they wrested some of their starters,

Speaker 2 but they look like a very, very good football team right now. Oh, yeah.
Matthew's still slinging that ball as good as he ever has.

Speaker 1 Slanging it around out there.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, it's going to be a tough game for the Eagles. But yeah, it'll be a fun one.

Speaker 1 Let's keep this thing moving, man. Hopefully, we can get this dub this weekend, man, and keep our playoff hopes alive, baby.
Hey, you.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl hopes alive.

Speaker 2 Finally, last week, we promised we would do a blind ranking of Will Farrell movies this episode.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, let's get it going, baby. That's right.

Speaker 2 So, interim Brandon, please do the honors.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to remember all of Will's movies.

Speaker 2 He's got so many.

Speaker 1 So, pulled these off of his top 10 on IMDb. So,

Speaker 2 is this in order?

Speaker 1 Are we seeing one? No, no, you're seeing them. These are just numbers.
These are just numbers, don't mean anything right now. Just the

Speaker 1 first movie.

Speaker 2 Please, I kind of feel like you would have gone in order.

Speaker 1 You don't. Who's sneakier than that? Give me some fucking credit.

Speaker 1 Movie number one, Step Brothers.

Speaker 2 Fuck.

Speaker 2 This is a top, this is definitely a top, if not one, it's top three. I'm trying to think of what's better than Step Brothers.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's so fucking good. Like, I could watch it right the fuck now, which is damn near every movie Will's in, but I know.
I'm going, fuck.

Speaker 2 It feels weird to put. the first movie we see at number one.

Speaker 1 That's a risk. But we wouldn't be wrong.

Speaker 2 That's a risk. No, it's definitely not wrong.
I mean, this is a lot of people's number ones. It might be my number one.
I'm trying to like, I love old school. I really do love old school.

Speaker 2 Stepbrothers.

Speaker 1 But that, I feel like that.

Speaker 2 Television nights gets better and better every time. And Anchorman, I'm also

Speaker 1 putting Anchorman Will. If this is Will Farrell, a movie like Old School, he wasn't the lead.

Speaker 2 That's fair. That's fair to say.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, I will say that he did.

Speaker 1 He made probably the most impression on me as a kid as Frank the Tank.

Speaker 2 Like, does he get considered, like, is Wedding Crashers a Will Farrell movie? Even though he's not the main

Speaker 2 guy?

Speaker 1 Wedding Crashers.

Speaker 2 He's the mom, the meatloaf.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. No, you can't put him in there.

Speaker 2 In a lot of one.

Speaker 1 When I think of Wedding Crashers, I don't think of Will.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you think of Vince Vaughan.

Speaker 1 Think of,

Speaker 2 God dang, what's the other guy with the crooked nose?

Speaker 1 Wilson. Owen.

Speaker 2 Wilson Owen was it.

Speaker 1 The crooked nose. Jesus, Jason.

Speaker 2 I'm going to put it at two or three just because I think Anchorman's my favorite movie. Anchorman's my favorite.

Speaker 1 I love it. Let's go two.

Speaker 2 All right, two.

Speaker 1 Second movie up.

Speaker 2 We're thinking, we're going to forget about one.

Speaker 1 Calladega. You're in my wheelhouse right now, Brandon.

Speaker 2 You are in my fucking wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's got to be three. If we're going Anchorman's one, it's so good.

Speaker 2 And it's one of those that every time you see it, it just gets better.

Speaker 1 God, it's so good.

Speaker 1 It's got to be three. It can't be one.

Speaker 2 I'm just curious what else is on this list. He's had so many movies, it's hard to remember all of them all, like off the top of your head.

Speaker 2 I think it's either three or four.

Speaker 1 I can't go lower than that. It's the, yeah, it's three.
I'm going three. It's two if it's not one.

Speaker 2 It's so fun. It's so fantastic.

Speaker 1 So it's got to be three.

Speaker 2 I love the ballad of Ricky Bobby.

Speaker 1 Next movie up. So good.
The other guys.

Speaker 2 Great movie.

Speaker 1 Great movie. Damn it.
Does this go four? Fuck. I mean, so many guys.

Speaker 2 This one's more of an underrated one, and I don't exactly know why, because it's absolutely incredible.

Speaker 1 Dude, it is so good.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say it's below Elf and Anchorman for me. I also think it's probably below old school, even though he's not the main in old school.
It's just more of an iconic movie.

Speaker 2 Like, this one never got the level of notoriety that all the other ones did for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 And I don't really know why. I don't really know.
Because it was absolutely hilarious. Movie reviews or ratings.
I just watched the movies, and this is up there for me. So

Speaker 1 I'm going six.

Speaker 2 I'm going six.

Speaker 1 No, that's got to be five. All right, I'll go five.
I'll go five. I'm missing some movies.

Speaker 1 I'll concede. His movies are so good that I can't even imagine putting anything at 10.

Speaker 2 This is where we're going to have to start putting some of these movies down there, Trevor.

Speaker 1 We have to. All right, next one.
Next movie, old school.

Speaker 1 See,

Speaker 1 just because it's

Speaker 1 God, he's

Speaker 1 a Frank Tank. He goes streaking with the quad.
You're fucking crazy, man. Do you think KFC is still open? You're fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 I love you. We're going streaking.

Speaker 1 But you're fucking crazy yeah frank the whole town knows you had a good time last night i think i think elf and anchorman are one and four those are the two that we had

Speaker 2 not four no no i'm saying elf and anchorman are one and four i'm saying seven i'm saying this is seven old school seven yeah i'm saying just because he's not the main yeah i just if i'm just rating the movie i'd put it up higher can we go six

Speaker 2 no dude there's so many good will farrell movies we're missing but this movie is fantastic it is vince

Speaker 2 it's the cast is incredible. The movie is great.

Speaker 2 Are we rating this on a Will Farrell scale or just like the best movies that Will Farrell has been in?

Speaker 1 I've been going off of a Will Farrell scale. Come on now.

Speaker 1 Give me a number. Just go seven, dude.
Oh, seven.

Speaker 2 I will reluctantly. I just disagree with you.

Speaker 1 All right, then go six. Fine, six.

Speaker 1 I kind of want to go four. Then go four.
Fuck it. Just get me through this.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 All right. We'll lock it in at four.

Speaker 1 next movie. A night at the Roxbury.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 Well, this is a guilty pleasure for us. This one is

Speaker 1 so pissed that we didn't talk this

Speaker 1 because it started off on SNL and it fucking became a fucking full-on movie.

Speaker 1 And then I used to work out at Jake Lazer's gym, Unbreakable

Speaker 1 on Roxbury Road.

Speaker 1 There we go. Shout out to Jake Glazer and Unbreakable.
Okay, Larry Legend. Shout out to Larry Legend.

Speaker 2 I love this movie. It is an all-time favorite of mine, Chris DeTan.

Speaker 1 So fucking Ferrell.

Speaker 2 I feel like Night at the Roxbury, even though it's one of our favorites, objectively not one of his better films. I think you got to go seven or eight.

Speaker 1 I'll go eight. Eight? All right, eight.
Locking in at eight. Next movie.
Elf.

Speaker 2 This is where we've ran into triples. We have to leave one open for Anchorman.

Speaker 1 I got you a little bit. No, 100.
I front-loaded it. I got you.

Speaker 2 So I say six.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 2 Kicking and screaming.

Speaker 1 See, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm fucking saying, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's a good movie, but I feel very confident this is outside of that top six we have right now.

Speaker 1 All right, seven then, because I'm it's up there for me.

Speaker 1 I'm putting this in seven, dude. I love kicking and screaming.

Speaker 2 Is it better than Blades of Glory?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Is it better than Semi-Pro?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 I think this one's 10 for me. All right.
I think it's a good movie. I mean, listen, there's not a bad Will Farrell movie.

Speaker 1 Night of the Roxbury should have been 10. Wait, where did you put that? 10.
10. This is 10.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 Next movie. This movie is so good.
Semi-pro. I'll go 9, semi-pro.
9. This is, yeah, we're on the same page.
I fucking love Jackie Moon, though, man.

Speaker 2 Jackie Moon's Electric. All of these movies are fantastic.

Speaker 1 Next up, we have

Speaker 1 Blades of Glory.

Speaker 2 Seven. Dude, if you do not have Anchorman with this last video.

Speaker 1 He's such an asshole if he doesn't have Anchorman.

Speaker 2 He did. I need to be top 10, so it has to be Anchorman.
I don't even need to see it.

Speaker 1 all right last movie anchorman yeah

Speaker 1 i feel good about this list do you do you remember anchorman 2 yes oh yeah dude it's actually really good it's so you want to talk about

Speaker 1 it it gets better as you get older that movie is so fucking funny oh my god that shit is gold look at that cast oh man i gotta fucking grill my guy paul rudd about that movie man i just gotta I need to know more.

Speaker 2 I feel pretty good about this list.

Speaker 1 This is a solid list. This is a pretty solid list.

Speaker 2 Would we change anything with it not being?

Speaker 1 I'd probably switch Knight of the Roxbury and either Kickering Screaming or

Speaker 1 Semi-Pro. I think that one was kind of just a silly one where these ones actually like the character was like,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I just felt like those characters were better. Knight of the Roxbury is a guilty pleasure of ours, though.
People are going to want Elf higher. Elf's going to get some tweets.

Speaker 2 Well, initially, I was already Elf for four, but he's got so many great movies. I don't think Elf is better than, I mean, I might put it above other guys.

Speaker 1 Probably other guys and old school for me.

Speaker 2 I'm not putting it above old school. Old school is too iconic to me.
God damn it. I love Talladega Knights with a passion.

Speaker 1 So, God damn it.

Speaker 2 I feel very confident Anchorman and Stepbrothers are one and two, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think we killed the first, the top three.
Any issues with the list, please tweet at JChat85. I think that's what

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