Chiefs Clutch Offense, Saquon Breaks Football and Does the NFL Have a QB Problem? | Ep 108

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Yeah, no, I'm just going to address it because i feel like it needs one more time and then hopefully we can stop talking about this really stupid situation so i'm with

you man i'm not happy about the situation me reacting gave him the time of day and it also

gave this situation notoriety that's what i regret all right it didn't deserve attention

it's really stupid and if i just keep walking none of it's a fucking it's a nothing burger

Thank you. perpetuation notoriety that's what i regret all right it didn't deserve attention it's really stupid and if i just keep walking none of it's a fucking it's a nothing burger nobody sees it now it's out there and it just perpetuates more hate the thing that i regret the most is saying that

word to be honest with you and the word he used is just fucking ridiculous and it takes it to

another level it's it's it's just off the wall fucking the line. And it's dehumanizing and got under my skin and, and it elicited a reaction.
And like in the heat of the moment, I thought in my head, Hey, what, what, what can I say back to him? I'm going to throw this shit right back in his face. Cause fuck him.
I know now that that was, I shouldn't have done that because now there's a video out there with me saying that word, him saying that word, and it's not good for anybody. I think what I do regret is that now there's a video that is very hateful that is now online that has been seen by millions of people.
And I share fault in perpetuating it and having that out there. I know it's weighing on you, brother.
sucks you shouldn't you shouldn't feel this much uh obviously the scrutiny and are the media like view on it and everybody passing around the videos that are being out there i mean that's uh that's going to make it a bigger situation than i think what it really is but the real situation is you had some fucking clown come up to you and talk about your family and you reacted in a way that was defending your family. And you might have used some words that you regret using.
And that's a situation that you just got to kind of learn from and own. And I think you owning it and you speaking about it shows how sincere you are to a lot of people in this this world and shows that especially what you said on monday night that you you choose not the fucking you you don't choose hate you know that's that's that's just not who you are i love you brother i think i think you said that perfectly welcome back to new heights ladies and gentlemen a wondry show produced by way sports and entertainment and presented by timberland and vans jason you had those temps on this weekend baby gotta love it man a little wide left yeah twice the first one was a fucking missile though wasn't the best footwear to kick on i will say it was it was a it was like a little bit of a slant like we were on a hill

don't make excuses jason we were on a hill and pat tried to tell me he's like listen it's going

to come out like a draw you got to aim a little bit to the right yeah and sure enough i didn't

do that that first one i hit really well if that thing would have gone to the right if i would have

aimed it to the right it would have been great second i tried to aim to the right and i just

miss it real bad the camera angle you couldn't even see the actual field goal post for i i

Thank you. second one I tried to aim to the right and I just miss it it bad real bad the camera angle you couldn't even see the actual field goal post for I don't think all you saw was the tree far left and you kicked it right at the tree dude I gotta do you know who Mark Mosley is he's the only kicker ever to win the NFL MVP he won in like 1982 for like the commanders or something like that I don't even know if I I think it was either way.
He, he's a straight on kicker. Of course.
Googled. Cause I don't know how to kick straight on.
I'm like taking notes because I didn't, I couldn't train. Right.
This is why you missed it. You didn't just go up there and be an athlete.
This is why you got too calculated. You tried to read the directions.
God damn it. I've never done a straight on kicking camp.
You know how to kick. That was soccer style though.
I didn't,'t i never did the straight on kick i didn't know how to do straight on kick i don't know what the what the parameters are unbelievable jason all right we'll talk more about this a little further down the road man we're your hosts i'm travis kelly this is my big brother jason kelsey out of cleveland heights ohio baby just northeast ohio ball players baby subscribe, One Tree Plus, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, and follow the show on all social media.
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And Jason, why don't you tell the people what we got coming up for this episode? Well, we got a fun one lined up for you guys. As always, we're going to talk about the Chiefs' overtime win,

a Monday Night Football,

Saquon doing some never-seen-before hurdles on a football field.

It's a bad man.

And all the rest of the biggest storylines from Week 9 in the National Football League.

All right, we're going to move on to a little bit of that.

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All right, now. Let's keep the same moving to a little film club.
Oh, yeah. Next week, we're going to review our next movie for the New Heights Film Club.
Oh, yeah. That's right.
And since we reviewed Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, we're going the opposite direction this time. We're going to review a non-chick flick movie.
We're going to go the opposite direction and go like just as pure testosterone-filled masculinity as we can think of. I can't wait to hear the reviews from all the Swifties and everybody else that watch our show.
You didn't feel the masculinity in the. I'll tell you what, I did feel it from.
The Greece. No.
Yeah, the Greek guy. Yeah.
I mean, listen, Costas was pretty masculine. There's nothing more masculine than romantically charming a young woman.

Other than Bloodsport.

We asked the 92% to give us some masculine options,

and this is what some of you thought a masculine movie should be.

The Notebook, which kind of aligns with what Jason was just saying right there.

Yeah.

I don't even like calling this masculine.

I think that's where we're going on.

I want an action-packed, just like freaking. A dude's movie.
We watched the chick flicks, and now we're going on i want an action-packed just like freaking a dude's movie we watched the chick flicks and now we're gonna watch a dude's dude movie and yeah we're gonna go that route because i do think there is something like listen it's masculine now to to woo a woman nothing unmasculine about that or to woo a mate it is masculine all right now some recommendations you guys send our way the notebook h, Hannah Montana, the movie, Legally Blonde, 27 Dresses, Titanic. None of those are going to be in the multiple choice selection that we are going to pay.
Not this time around. This time around, we're going for like the Predator.
That's right. We want the film club movie.
Escape from New York. Hold on.
We're going to get into it. We want the film club to be very diverse.

Yeah.

No, everybody had.

We're getting.

We're going the opposite direction this week.

And we'll go another direction the next month.

So, these are some of the options we're thinking about.

Predator.

Ooh.

Escape from New York.

Mm.

Mm.

Deer Hunter.

Do you know Deer Hunter?

Don't know Deer Hunter.

I think Deer Hunter was actually filmed at least in part in Cleveland. Great movie.
Great movie. Cliffhanger.
Ooh. Sylvester Stallone.
Yeah. Famously parodied by Ace Ventura.
Deer Hunter. No.
Fight Club. Fight Club.
Yep. Classic.
Fight Club is- Haven't seen that one in a while. Fight Club's long.
It's a long movie. It is very good.
Definitely not a Christmas movie. I saw a lot of people saying that nonsense.
It is not a Christmas movie. It does not have Christmas spirit.
You're not going to buy into that. It's locationally and timely happening in Christmas.
It's not a Christmas movie. Commando.
Maybe the best one-liner movie of all time. Seriously.
Fantastic. This is one that I am.
I'm just going to say right now. This one is in the multiple choice.
Regardless of what they. Why? This movie that I'm about to say is in the vote.
No questions asked. Because I don't know of any movie that represents kind of what I'm looking for more than this.
Blood sport. Jean-Claude Van Damme.
Van Dam be Van Damme, man. Yeah, baby.
Was it Randy Jackson? What's the sidekick's name? I think it's Randy Jackson, right? I have no idea. Randy something? I remember like the premise of blood sport.
Kuma-tay. The fact that you remember this type of shit on news is the best.
Farticipate! Ray Jackson. Ray Jackson.
Yeah, we got Dirty Harry, maybe. Goodfellas.
Goodfellas. Damn.
I was rocking a Goodfellas shirt on here. It's a good one.
Scarface. Say hello to my little friend.
Rambo. Gladiator.
Gladiator. And there's a sequel coming out right denzel's in it you heard

about this no idea oh no no no yeah i do it i gladiator yeah i thought we were still talking about rambo uh gladiator is yeah no i was a part of the commercial that was helping uh promote that thing roadhouse was also another recommend i mean roadhouse dude rhoda gotta go original we're not going with the new one but the roadhouse is original The original Roadhouse is a fucking...

Dude, it's so good. You got to go original.
We're not going with the new one. No, you got to go original.
The original Roadhouse is a fucking.

Dude.

It's so good.

It's so good.

The throat punch.

It comes out of nowhere.

It starts with.

That movie starts the most normal way possible.

It starts and it's like, okay, this is kind of a cool movie.

He's going to come help out this bar that needs to be reshaped and everything.

And then it turns into like he rips a guy's throat out of his like esophagus and then like and then they ended at a house and like everybody just takes turns shooting a dead guy with a shotgun over and over again it's dark so it gets so ridiculous but these are the kind of movies we're talking about This is what we're talking about, ladies and gentlemen. We don't want it to make a lot of sense.
We just want it to be just pure adrenaline. No, we just want it to be fucking, yeah.
Pure adrenaline. I want to see someone's throat.
All right. So what movies represent the pure adrenaline? I think we put Predator in there.
I'm going to say Gladiator, just because I want to watch the first one before I see the second one. I feel like Gladiator is like an actually good film.
Like if there's like ups and downs and like feelings, you know what I mean? Do you know what feelings? There's no feelings. There's feelings in Roadhouse.
Are you kidding me? Well, maybe Roadhouse shouldn't be in. I don't know.
I'm just saying. You're ridiculous.
No. Feelings.
There's feelings in all of these. I feel like Gladiator is different than a lot of these movies that we're talking about.
Except for Bloodsport. Bloodsport might be the only one where there's not feelings.
I think Bloodsport has got to be it. And Goodfellas.
Goodfellas, there's no feelings in Goodfellas. Kumite.
Kumite. We got Predator and Bloodsport are in.
What are the other two? I say Gladiator just because I want to see it. Let's go Fight Club.

Fight Club's a good one.

I want to re-watch Fight Club.

I haven't seen that one in a while.

All right.

Fight Club, put it on there.

He's pissed.

I mean, Fight Club really isn't in the same genre either.

It's too good.

It's too good of a film.

It's too good of a film?

What are we trying to watch here?

I'm thinking of those 80ss 90s action movies that are like

Commando. Like Commando is just like

Roadhouse is a terrible movie.

Roadhouse, if you watch Roadhouse

it is not a good movie.

Roadhouse is not. You're right.

No, it's fantastic.

It's fantastic. It's like these movies that like

aren't like...

You know what I'm talking about.

I don't know how to describe it. Roadhouse should be in it.
Alright it. All right.
Roadhouse is in. All right.
Five clubs out. Roadhouse is in.
I want to put Commando in. Should we have two Arnold movies in there? I mean, that's the dude of all dudes.
We're missing like a Sylvester, like Rambo. Do we need Sly to have like a presence in this movie? It's only fair.
In this like genre. It's only fair.
Cliffhanger. Gosh, what's Cobra? I have no idea.
I've never heard of that movie. Just looking at these pictures is hilarious.
All right. Cobra's in.
I've never seen it. It might be fun to watch a movie you've never seen before.
All right. Take Roadhouse out, put Cobra in.
Wait. Roadhouse isn't? I thought we were done.
Is this it? What do you think is more of that genre? Fight Club or Roadhouse? Roadhouse. I think Fight Club is.
No. Fight Club's very, like, it's like, there's like symbolism and like, like, Fight Club's way too, like, good of a cinematic film, I feel like.
They're like trying to make a statement. Cobra's out.
Command is in. Cobra's's out, Commando's in.
All right, yeah, let's keep the same moving. All right, that's our final four.
We're going to put that up to a fan vote. The final four will be Predator, Bloodsport, Roadhouse, and Commando.
Nice. Which either any of those four movies will be fantastic.
And we look forward to seeing which movie you guys want to watch of those four. Fantastic might be a stretch.
I think it's exactly what we're looking for, but Fantastic might be a stretch. Oh, no.
There's no stretch about it. Dude.
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Moving on to out of the house. Jason, you met up with your friend, Pat McAfee.
Damn, buddy. Jason, you met up with our friend, Pat McAfee, an old Happy Valley as the Penn State Nitty Lions were hosting the Ohio State Buckeyes.
We've been to a few Buckeyes games, getting recruited up in the good old state of Ohio. But you were there to raise some money.
I was. Yep.
For hurricane victims. Yeah, Pat's incredible, man.
He's awesome, man, isn't he? He's the best. And he's turned this whole kicking thing in on game day to the charitable component.
And they're raising a lot of money for hurricane relief. It's awesome, man.
Yeah. I don't know.
It's just an awesome way to take an event that's already fun and has a bunch of support around it and use that in a way that helps a community that's in need right now. So yeah, for those of you that aren't aware, I did not help.
I missed horrendously. Boom.
Dude, that was a fucking missile. I mean, dude, I mean, that's good from like 60 yards.
You fucking booted that thing. You can see the slope.
It gives me a're a man of of you know you understand angles this is why you played hockey this is why you played lacrosse you are very good at understanding these things you're a competitive guy look at him trying to he's gonna size this one up oh gosh i want to see where it went wrong i haven't watched the tape yet all right so you haven't watched this you kick this one way too uh toe heavy on your you gotta you gotta get more square down that thing man one two i was trying to catch it at the angle because i wanted to hit it to the right no i stepped too close to it stepped too close to it yeah this guy fucking sucks. It was the fucking best.

Him said, this guy sucks.

The second time.

God damn it, man.

There's that tree all the way to the left about a mile,

about as far left as you were to the goalpost.

That's how far left you kicked it.

I mean, it was almost, it was almost directly left, this picture. You got to put up the picture.
Look at that thing. The tree.
The tree is literally fucking 50 yards to the left. I that is no it's it's listen i apparently i kick field goals the way i uh hit a golf ball so nice very nice just a bit outside yeah no i think uh i think from one special teams guy to another because we are teamers um you uh you you didn't do me proud jason i thought you were gonna fucking nail this man yeah no i'm aware i want listen i can put some practice in to make it i just yeah i mean yeah i did in the spirit of the spirit of competition i didn't want to do that i could have went up to the cleveland guardians you know home opener and fucking threw a strike if i really practiced yeah or just wear footwear that didn't slide when you were or just actually warmed up yeah i did warm up you see this picture right here i did warm up i'm stretching i made sure that was nice and loose i did not want to tear a hip flexor doing this and i will say were you Were you a little sore? My knees sore after I tried it.
I definitely hyperextended it a little bit. Can't.
You got to keep those quads. Fucking.
Yeah. Well, you got to kick through it.
What was Kylie's advice? Kylie didn't give me any advice. She was zero help in this endeavor.
She said maybe you should have worn tight pants. Oh, yeah.
I saw that. She did say that And, of course, in reference to my advice to, you know.

Show the bulge.

Listen, sometimes it works.

Oh, yeah.

Sometimes it doesn't.

Shout out to Kylie for listening to our Wondery Plus exclusive episode,

where we gave great advice for people in marriage trying to rekindle that flame. Yeah, baby.
Well, even though Jason missed the field goal, there was still a ton of money donated to the Hurricane Relief Fund. That's right.
Souls for Souls. Gotta love it, man.
Pat tweeted out, we still donated $200,000 to Hurricane Relief,

as will Timberland and Vans.

That's unbelievable. Hashtag kick it forward.

I suck at kicking is what

Jason was in quotes saying, and yes, you do.

You do. That was atrocious.
I thought

you were going to do way better than that.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

We also asked

you guys to send us

your field goal kicks with the hashtag kick it forward, and you delivered. Hey.
Maybe the most impressive came from 8-year-old 92%er, Trickshot Jake on Instagram. Trickshot Jake? Is this from Jets Jake? Let's see it.
Are you kidding me? Right through. Are you kidding me, Jason? He's already better than me.
Ten times better than you. Gosh.
Well done, Jake. You can't even do that with football.
I don't know that I can. You're right.
My wrists are destroyed from playing football. My elbow hurts.
My wrist doing that right there. Right? Fuck.
You know, getting old out here. Well, that was an awesome trick shot, Jake.
Who knows, man? Maybe if Jason works hard enough, he can be as good as you one day. Shout out once again to our friends at Timberland Advance for making this possible.
And if you guys want to help spread the word on this incredible charity, send us your videos at kicking and some Tim's or Vans and hashtag kick it forward. And our friends at Vans and Timberland will keep on donating.
Awesome. Awesome stuff.
All right. And Trav got out of the house this weekend.
You headed out to Indianapolis for the Ares Tour. I did, man.
I wanted to see Tay one more time before this thing got closed up. And I'll tell you what, man, the American crowds, they did not disappoint.
I heard that it was a lot more rowdy this time around, knowing she was coming back to stop through America one last time before the tour was over with. And I'll tell you what, man, that thing was rocking.
Yeah, buddy. Absolutely rocking.
If you don't believe me, Pat McAfee had one of the greatest tour or show reviews that I've ever seen. So check out.
I'm sure you can go on pat mc if you show on uh on youtube and check that out but um yeah it was fun saw caitlin clark there got to meet caitlin she's awesome she loves being out there in indianapolis as it's a fun city and we're both just true midwesterners to the heart you know played a high school ball college ball pro ball all out here in the midwest and uh it was up with her. Yeah.
Were her dance moves as good as her free throw? Her jump shot? Jump shot. No, she was into the show for sure.
She was there with her mom and a few friends. She had been, I think this was like her third or fourth show she had been to.
She's a Swifty through and through, man. Yeah.
Loves the show. I went to night two.
She had already been to night one. And, you's uh i think she's just having fun going up to the shows and uh and taking her friends and family and um getting everybody to experience tay up there on stage uh making the entire 69 000 70 000 people go fucking nuts for uh three and a half hours four hours well yeah it's a good place to go if you're looking to have fun that's for that the truth all righty let's talk about the holy grail of candy Reese's peanut butter cups that's right you know them you love them and let's be real you probably have a stash hidden somewhere right now tell me about it Reese's cracked the code and literally created the perfect combo we're talking about the Creamy Peanut Butter Center.
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Old Topics Wrap Up Week 9, starting with the Kansas City Chiefs. That's right.
Bucks in overtime on Monday Night Football. We were both in attendance because this was an ESPN broadcasted game.
All right, man. Monday Night.
Yeah, overtime game. Who doesn't love free football in Arrowhead? How about that? Pat, 34 for 44 for 291.
Three touchdowns, zero interceptions. God damn it, man.
Trav, you had a Monday night football record. That's right.
You tied a Monday night football record with 14 catches. That's a lot of catches.
Woo. I also dropped a catch.
I could have fucking. Did you drop a pass? I could have had more.
Did I? I don't remember that. Yeah, I did.
It was bad. It was right after I fumbled the ball.
Yeah. How did you guys feel offensively? It felt like you guys moved the ball pretty well for the majority of the game, but we kicked ourselves in the foot in the first half.
Myself personally did not play great, both pass game, run game. I know I came up big on a few, a few plays here and there on that first drive.
But after that, I just wasn't happy with my performance, even watching it today. It's just, I got to be better out the gate for my guys.
And especially, you know, aucs who you give them confidence that they can hang in there with you. Not that they didn't already need it.
I mean, that team has some dudes that can fucking play the game. They got great coaches.
They're offensive and defensive line. Man, those dudes, they got big dudes out there moving the pile.
And everybody seems like they're in tune with the game plan. So that was not an easy win by any means, obviously, going into OT.
And I got a lot of respect for those guys. And when Baker gets hot, man, he is fun to watch, man.
I'm sitting there on the sideline like, man, I do not like this feeling in my stomach watching that last drive in the fourth quarter um but uh happy they went for uh the field goal so it gave us a chance to get the offense back out there on the field and uh in ot man yeah but talking about the uh extra point yeah at the end of the day man chiefs just finding a way to win ball games baby at the you know the offense we put together a great drive there in ot um that we could really you know um hang our hat on in terms of the game and move forward and feel like we we finished the game the right way and uh and you know a lot of a lot of that goes to coach reed and a lot of that goes to pat mahomes playing his ass off and a lot goes that out offensive line for moving the fucking moving the fucking ball man hopkins had his first home game. That's right.
Hopkins made his

Arrowhead debut.

What a night to have your first ever

game. That game was rocking, man.

Not a disappointment. That game was

rocking. My man Swag Hoo was calling it a heist

all night long.

Swag Hoo.

That's good shit, man.

Hopkins had eight catches for

86 yards and two touchdowns, including this catch and triple coverage. Show this real quick.
How about it, man? This is an impressive throw, man. Somebody right up in your face and Pat just lobs it up there.
Find a way to get it to him, man. Gets it down there inside the five.
You guys ended up punching it in. There you go.
Yeah, how is it so far building the chemistry with Hopkins? It's the smooth's the smoothest transition i've ever seen he's been around for a bit he knows and he's been he's been on a few different he's been in a few different organizations yeah you know yeah so it's like he understands how to how to mix that chemistry he understands how to how to incorporate himself and and be himself uh in a new in a new building you know and uh it's just been so fucking cool just to have him. We came in the same year, 2013 draft class.
I've seen his success from a distance. And to see him come into the building and notice what kind of professional he is, how communicative he is, or how he communicates, you know, how he talks ball.
It's just, it's fun to have him around. And, and it's just, it's given everybody kind of a juice and a morale of like confidence.
And I call them swag champs, man. When you get a swag champ, like D hop or somebody that comes in, they just, you know, just how they carry themselves, boost the morale and the confidence of everybody around them.
And you can't teach that type of shit. You either got it or you don't, man.
Right. And DHOP is 100% giving us that.
And it showed on Monday night, man. We don't win that game without them.
You're in line. Hopkins on the catch in triple coverage.
Pat and I were just out there making a play, and that is the truth. They had the first initial route covered, and I might have run the wrong route at first, but Pat was just working with me.
I might have ran it. I might not have been doing the right thing, but we figured it out.
We're on the same page. That's funny.
Fuck, man. So now we got multiple people just doing whatever.
I'll tell you what, man. Defense is just, you got to be on your toes, baby.
What is this concept? Yeah, who knows? Good luck. After this touchdown in the second quarter, he hit us with the, remember, the Titans celebration.
Let's check this one out. Oh, yeah.
Is this playing? Yeah. Oh.
Ah. Mm.
Ah. Ah.
Ah. Oh.
Oh. That's just sweet.
I love it when you get the whole line involved, man. Fuck.
So was this something you guys planned out beforehand? You guys. Yeah.
Well, I mean, he has nothing but respect for the Titans, man. And when he was, when he was in Tennessee, man, he said he, he, he respected everybody there and it was, uh, it was what it was.
He wouldn't be here without them. So he, um, he was showing it in, in terms of like a celebration for him.
And he said he respected everybody there. And it was what it was.
He wouldn't be here without them. So he was showing it in terms of like a celebration for him.
And he said the same thing on Twitter. He said it was a shout to Tennessee.
If you know me, you know it's nothing but love for Nashville. Rand and his crew are like family.
Without them, I wouldn't be here. Yeah.
Let's talk a little bit about the Chiefs offense. And maybe just start calling it the clutch offense.
That's right. Per our friend Jeff Schwartz.
Schwartzy! That's right. After the Chiefs came back from down 17-10, the third, to take the lead, he tweeted, I will tap the sign again.
When the Chiefs' best is needed, they play their best. Last two drives, 12 plays, 70 yards, took off six minutes and 36 second drive, then in a touchdown.

Then they had a 15 play drive that was 75

yards and 8

minutes and 26 yards.

8 minutes and 26.

I don't know why I can't fucking say this.

It was a 6 minute drive

and an 8 minute drive.

12 play, 70 yard, 6

minute drive. Then they had a

15 play, 75 yard, 8 minute drive, both of which resulted in a touchdown. There we go.
How true is this statement? I feel like we're always out there trying to play our best, right? But at the same time, you get put in got-to-have-it situations. And I think we rally together when I do.
I honestly believe that. I think you just kind of feel the intensity rise.
You feel you have to be at your best so you start to focus a little harder. You start to fucking have a little bit more sense of urgency to get to where you need to be or to understand how you're going to make this block.
And on top of that, you kind of just rally with the guys next to you. I think right now, guys like Kareem hunt, how he's fucking running right now and the intensity and the, and the energy that he has.
And when he gets a big, when he gets a big game, how fast he gets up and how, how much excitement he gets with that stuff like that goes so far in terms of the momentum and the, and the beast that you got to feel like you are at your best, uh, in moments like that. And I really think that it's just it's a culture that's set here.
And it's how the coaches prepare us. It's how we prepared with each other throughout the week.
And it's an understanding of the game plan and what the other team's doing that that all has to be, you know, we all have to be on the same page in terms of that. And when we need it the most, I think that's when we all kind of come together and show that.
No, and it happens week in, week out. It's so impressive, the consistency at which you guys do this thing, right? Yeah.
And especially at the end of games, it just feels like it always goes your way. Scott Van Pelt said something to me, he's like, you know, and he learned it from somebody else, but you have to learn how to win.
And you guys have clearly learned how to win. Despite any type of way the game goes, it finds like you guys always somehow just know what to do to make it right.
And that brings up this quote from Andy Reed in 2022, the unofficial team motto, when it's grim, be the grim reaper. Yeah.
How about that? Yeah. Alrighty.
O, overtime. Final two minutes of regulation.
Baker Mayfield leads the Bucs on a touchdown drive with 27 seconds left on the clock. Todd Bowles elects to kick the PAT instead of going for two.
Is that the right call? Would you have done? I would say this. Obviously, Coach Bowles, I told him afterwards, man, it is a fucking honor to go and try and beat your football team every single time because, God damn, you guys are always prepared.
You always have a great understanding, and you guys always mold the defense based off of which opponent you play. So you can't really get a lot of, like, I don't know, scheme up against you.
You just got to kind of go out there and be at your best. For sure.
for sure and man i'll tell you what i i just think when you're in an away team when you're at an away stadium i feel like you go for it i think at home you got home field advantage you got a lot more energy on your side yeah i think um try and end it right there instead of in and especially with the overtime rules in the regular season where you're not guaranteed a possession if the other team scores a touchdown. You don't know whether or not you're going to get that ball back.
I kind of agree with you, but I'll kind of back Todd up a little bit. I've been a part of this before.
We scored Dougie P's first year. We're in Baltimore.
We have a great late-minute drive, and we elect to go for two to end the game. Yeah.
And, yeah, we definitely got a blitz zero, and we did not connect, and the game was over, and we lost. So it's one of those decisions, like, you know, it's 50-50.
I think with Pat there in Arrowhead, let's just try and get it done. Let's not even give him a chance to get the ball back and really make something happen.
But I kind of see both sides of it. Chiefs win in OT, obviously.
The coin toss goes the Chiefs way, and the Bucs never touch the ball again. Look at Baker's head the moment that he knew.
He knew. Played his ass off.
I don't know. I think it's just the, ah, damn.
Because you get the pig heads or tails. It's such a fucking silly.
I think it's such a wild scenario to put it into a coin flip on who gets the ball. I think it's great.
I love it. I just think it's just so wild that that's what it comes down to.
Well, you still have to drive the full length. 100%.
I think, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

But it's such an advantage to get the ball first.

And I think that's what he's like.

He's like, oh, they got the advantage.

I don't think he's like, oh, that's the game.

You know, I don't think Baker's thinking that.

So I'll say this.

I don't even know if I want to share this.

So, yeah, I don't know if I'd want to say this.

Anyway.

So, yeah, you're a Tails guy? Yeah, I'll tell you after my career what I am. All right, fine.
All right. Oh, you always pick the opposite one of whatever is face up? No.
No? I just have a strategy of like, I don't know. You don't have any strategy.
I do. I do.
And it's so dumb to try and have a strategy on coin flipping. My strategy worked.
Kareem Hunt finished with 27 carries, 106 and a touchdown. He also was the one to punch it in from the two-yard line for the game winner in overtime.
Game winner, baby. How about that? Coming off the street, little Cleveland native guy getting involved.
Come on, baby. The bulk of Hunt's carries came in the second half.
The Chiefs become a ground-to-pound team. We talked about it a little bit on the desk.
You guys are running the ball. Well, I don't know.
I guess it probably still rings true from this game. Over 40% of the offensive plays have been run calls, which is the highest in Pat's career.
I don't know if that's, I don't know if that stat is exclusively first, second down, like run situation or if that's like a generic, but either way, you guys are running more than ever since Pat Mahomes has been the quarterback for the Kansas city chiefs. Yeah.
I think it's probably multifaceted, right? Where one, you guys have a great offensive line and you're having a lot of success. So you're going to keep doing it.
But then two, the way defenses are playing this year, we've talked about it, like run yardages up across the league. And this is just a mark of a great coach who's like, hey, listen, teams are playing these soft coverages, keep everything in front of it, so we're going to freaking get after it and take what they're giving us.
Is that fair to say? I think every team is different, right? Every team is different. Their mold is different.
Their weapons are different right now. Our offensive line is they're moving the pile, man.
Yeah. And our offensive run coordinator, coach Andy Heck, he is, he has been dialing those things up and figuring out the best situation, the best runs to, you know, put our guys in the best situation out there on the field.
And that's including, you know, the tight ends. That's including the, you know, the interior three that we got, the big three-headed monster we got in Big Tooney, Creed, and Trey Smith.
And you add Wanya Morris in there, who's been blocking his ass off since he's been given the start. And on top of that, you know, Juwan Taylor's been playing his tail off these past two, three weeks, man.
And I think our offensive line is one of our best weapons, if not our best weapon right now. I mean, obviously having Kareem Hunt and D-Hop come in and kind of steal the show and then come up big for us.
I mean, that's huge as well. But at the same time, you know, our offensive line is playing their ass off.
And you want to always give Pat Mahomes the fucking ball. He's the best player in the National Football League.
Giving him the ball and letting him dissect a defense, giving him more than one option, I think that is a great situation to put your football team in. But sometimes just handing that thing off to a hungry dog, man, handing that thing off to Kareem Hunt or Carson Steele and get them boys rolling downhill.
Yeah, baby. That's a great fucking situation to have us in as well.
And sure enough, we're just we're finding ways to get the ball downfield. And you already mentioned it a few big time long drives.
I think we had a 19 play long drive last week. We had two over 15 this week.
And ending them with touchdowns is so it's so fucking big and demoralizing for a defense to to tax them and weigh out put that much weight or put that much fucking uh strain on them um and it just makes it easier for everything else in uh in the uh in the offense when you get that run game going man no Well, let's get to the LeBron stat of the game.

Travis Kelsey is the first 35-plus-year-old with 14-plus catches in a game at any position.

That's right.

That is a great stat.

I could have been the first 35-year-old to have 15 if I didn't drop the fucking ball.

Well, stats are for nerds, but Travis had 28 catches in the first six games and 24 in the last two. What's caused the big Yeti renaissance midseason here? I don't know.
I think we're just playing fucking ball, and Pat's been finding me. I've been finding open voids, and Pat's been trusting it, and we've just been on the same page, man.
I didn't think we were ever off of the same page. I think Pat's just fucking throwing me the ball now.
It doesn't feel like it's in Pat's head either because he was asked about it after the game. He was asked about the 14 catches.
He said, yeah, I didn't even realize he had that many catches. So it sounds like everybody's just out there playing.
We're just out there fucking trying to get the ball down the fucking field. He also said he could have sworn you've had a game with like 16 receptions.
Have I? No, I don't think so. Not according to the record books.
Is 14 the most I've ever had? I believe so. Nice.
All right, another stat. With his touchdown catch from Mahomes, DeAndre Hopkins has now caught a touchdown pass from 14 different players.
God damn. Yeah, how about week nine next week the Chiefs are home against the Broncos division rival baby yeah man Broncos have been looking a lot better than they have the last couple years their defense has been pretty dang good pretty damn good they got a fucking damn good defense theyled against Baltimore, which is pretty common because Baltimore is really fucking good.
Yeah. But I would not count on that happening two weeks in a row.
These guys are – they are physical, man. They play well on defense.
No, we're going to be in a ball fight with these guys. Yeah.
100%. Coach Payton's got those guys over there fucking playing with some heart, man.
And obviously, it being a division rival and Broncos Chiefs, I mean, they're getting any bigger of a rivalry than that.

And it's going to be a tough one.

I mean, it's at Arrowhead, but it's going to be a tough one, man.

Good luck.

Thank you, brother.

Let's talk about the rest of the big storylines coming out of Week 9 in the NFL.

And we'll start with the Birds, baby.

Oh.

Eagles, 28. Jags, 23.
Kind of of I don't want to see what is it was it a nail biter it was I mean it's kind of a nail biter score shows it uh Jason initial thoughts on the game yeah um I think the score doesn't really accurately reflect the Eagles had like 450 yards Jesus yeah they they put up a lot of yards. Lane Johnson had this quote after the game.
It should have been a 40-point game. It was one of those games where the real thing that kind of like stalled them out a little bit was throughout the last two seasons, if it's ever fourth and one, we just go for it because the tush push happens at such a high rate, right? Yeah.
And it just so happened there were like multiple points in this game where we were in fourth and one situations. And I don't know what Jacksonville was doing.
I haven't like really narrowed in on it yet, but they kind of stalled out the tush push, which has not happened. They did two two-point conversions that didn't work out.
That left points off the board. There was a third down, a fourth down one that they tried another play on because they were struggling to run the tush push in the red zone.
All these things kind of, I think, threw them off their game a little bit, to be quite frank, and messed with something that's worked for a long time with them. Yeah, I wonder why.
And also, Saquon had a fumble, unfortunately, that was kind of, it was a fluke. I don't know if you saw that.
He got touched, but they said that the touch wasn't what caused him to fall, even though the touch clearly caused him to lose his footing, and then he fell, and he fumbled like the ground caused it. Damn.
Then they picked it up for six. The Eagles, in my opinion right now, are playing actually really good football.

That's what matters to me.

They are fucking playing good football, no doubt.

They've gotten back to – their defense is playing very well.

Offensively, they look much more in sync and balanced.

Jalen is playing really well.

Fantastic football, man.

You know, the Eagles have really rebounded from a couple bad losses from earlier in the season, have made the corrections, and I think they've done some really cool things or some really good things as of late. I think the more important thing is maybe the best hurdle I've ever seen.
I don't even know how he... Where do you even do this from? just you just play ball man your instincts your instincts

take over no i think he he was like okay the only way to get around this guy is to go over him right

now spin that spin was insane but like a spin was insane the guy was standing if the play would

have ended after the spin we would still be sitting here like bro that was a crazy fuck

and then he did even more of the unthinkable and just said, fuck it. I'm going to fucking do some like ballet shit and just fucking the Saquon plie.
Yeah, that was a very nice. I think I mean, that's up there with play of the year.
There was a there was some really good plays from this past week, but I don't know that I'm giving anything more than this. two, three.
I mean, I mean, that's up there with play of the year. There was some really good plays from this past week, but I don't know that I'm giving anything more than this.
This is insane. One, two, three.
I mean, you make three guys miss on one play, it's fucking electric. With a backwards hurdle? Yeah.
Dude, if you get clipped there, you're going backwards ass over tea kettle. That's kind of dangerous.
I hope it doesn't do this too much. I mean, especially with big 93 and fucking 52 closing in on you.
Saquon finished the game with 199 scrimmage yards, one touchdown.

God damn, this dude is fucking balling right now, man.

Holy shit.

We also got an awesome clip of the bench reaction to the hurdle.

Let's take a look at our guys.

It's always fun when your teammates are genuinely shocked at how good you are. Everybody's like, oh, bro, what the fuck? Look at my man Reed Blankenship's Home Alone face.
Home Alone, yeah. He went with Macaulay Culkin on him.
That's good shit. That's so good.
Nick Sirianni said, it was the best play I've ever seen. What I think is so cool is there's going to be kids all over the country and all over Philadelphia trying to make that play and talking about that play and simulating that play as they play in backyard football or peewee football.
Kids do not fucking do that yeah please do not try and do not do that that is that is the fastest way to break your neck um do not football is not meant to be played in the air i promise you that let's just take one barkley and then you can do it unless you're an incredible athlete if your athleticism is far more superior than everybody else's on the field do whatever the fuck you want but outside of that do not that is a safety hazard you do not want to go into a game leaving the ground i've landed on my head too many times and uh we advise kids not to try and make this play at home yeah but uh if you do it fucking send it don't fucking be timid don't timidly you We fucking go for it yeah um yeah either way i don't know what i'm saying do it do it kids dream big just don't tell your mom i told you to do it all right saquon was asked about the play and he said i just i kind of just played football and uh that's the. I just do – I'm just playing.
I just play ball. Devontae Smith, we got to shout out another incredible play.
Skinny Batman with an insane one-handed touchdown catch in the fourth quarter. And this dude is fucking playing his mind out as well.
I mean, the whole offense is really clicking right now, man. It's fun to watch.
The offensive lines – Oh, my fucking God, that was a dime too. So perfect.
Dude, these guys are fucking playing. It's exciting.
Everybody seems to be fucking pumped for everybody. It looks like you guys just got the morale going right now in the Kelly Green.
Yeah, got to love the Kelly Green. And it was a third and 22.
It was insane. And we're watching it.
and when he connected, I thought he was out of bounds

because that knee touches down out of bounds.

I'm watching it with Kyle and Kyle's like,

no, no, no. Nobody's better around the sideline

than Devontae. Look at his toes.
Shane Lyon.

His toes get down.

Dude, there is something about Devontae

around the sideline. He has the

freaking most unreal knack

for getting his toes down.

He's going to make sure he's in bounds now. Watch.
Left, right. He's going to make sure he's in bounds now.
Right before that right knee touches. So impressive.
That's a skill, man. That is a fucking skill.
To have the awareness of where you are and to have the body control. You got to have a strong-ass fucking core to be doing shit like this.
I promise you. No doubt.
No doubt. Smitty is not underrated by any the guy everybody knows he's a fucking baller but i guess uh aj brown being the big bad wolf that he is man it kind of takes a lot of the shine away from him um but this dude he he has been made he has been making plays and breaking dudes off in routes since he was in college and he is a he's a game time player he's a ball player he loves this shit.
He's unreal. You can see how he gets excited after a big catch.
You can see how his determination is focused when he's running routes. This guy's a ball player, man.
And, you know, sometimes the biggest dude on the field, you know, the guy like A.J. Brown who's, like, just a yoke.
He looks like a juggernaut. Yeah, you know, that guy's going to get a lot of attention too.

That takes nothing away from how guys in the league at least look at Smitty.

Don't disagree with that one bit.

N'Kobe Dean getting an interception, man.

N'Kobe Dean had incredible timing for his first ever interceptions

with a minute 42 left in the game. Eagles up five in the Jags.
Had the ball on the 13-yard line. Dean picks off Trevor Lawrence in the end zone.
How about that, man? You got to love a fucking big defensive stand. Let's check this out.
Ooh, how about that? Just thrown just a little high and Dean was in the right place at the right time. Just made a fucking hell of a play on the ball.

Got to love it, man.

I want to know what kind of – I don't really know what route and what –

I think he's trying to run like a weird route.

I was going to say, too, like it's like a weird – like they motion him out,

and I don't know if the snap point was late.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Sometimes when you're silent – because I think they're clearly trying to get

N'Kobe caught up on the guy running his route in front of the running back.

You know what I mean?

So I think they're clearly trying to get N'Kobe caught up on the guy running his route in front of the running back. You know what I mean? So I think the snap probably should have happened earlier.
And sometimes when you're on silent because of the way it happens, it just doesn't happen with the right timing. I mean, Trevor Lawrence is just putting a ball up to his guy, hoping he can make a one-on-one play on it.
And Noby had uh had different intentions right yeah mcoby made a great play yeah he just it is what it is yeah he made a great play on the fucking ball man in the most crucial moment yeah when the birds needed him the most man of the three biggest plays of the game that we just talked about which one do you think the philly fans are remembering the most i mean come on it's to It's a Saquon. Come on now.
Nobody's ever fucking seen somebody hurdle somebody like that. Yeah.
Yeah. Shout out to Saquon.
LeBron, stats of the game through eight games. Saquon Barkley is the third Eagle to reach 1,000 yards in eight games.
Joining LaShawn McCoy. Did it twice in 2011, 2013.
And Brian Westbrook, 2007. God damn, the Birds fans are – the Eagles fans are so lucky to have guys.
Like, you guys got some fucking historically good running backs. For sure.
Brian Westbrook, LaShawn McCoy, Saquon Barkley. Just using those quads to jump over everyone.
It's been fun to watch. Doesn't fucking matter.
Saquon Barkley's 443 rushing yards over the past three games are the most for an eagles player in any three game stretch in the history of the eagles organization how about that that is a lebron stat if i've ever heard one he has been balling nice is uh is saquon already on the eagles running back mount rushmore? Oh, my gosh. Just eight games into the season?

I'm trying to think of who's up there right now.

So Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook.

I think you probably Steve Van Buren, I think, was a running back.

Listen, he played in a different era.

You said yes without even saying yes.

Yeah.

Next week, the Eagles are away.

They're going down to Dallas playing the Cowboys,

who have been struggling a little bit.

They just announced that Dak Prescott is out for multiple weeks

with a hamstring injury, unfortunately.

Will they go Cooper Rush or Trey Lance?

Cowboys are coming off their third straight loss,

and the Eagles have not won in Dallas since, as you know, Jason, 2017.

They got Cooper Rush back there taking snaps.

Yeah.

Dallas has been a very difficult place to play.

For some reason, they're not playing very good at home this year.

Like last year, they didn't lose a single regular season game at home.

They've had some great home field advantage, and they've struggled for some reason this season. It's still the Cowboys.
They're going to get Micah back this week. Probably.
I know their defense has been struggling. Micah is a difference maker to the max.
Fuck yes, he is. So, you know, listen, I know they're not playing very well.
I think they just traded for who they just trade for today? They just traded for Mingo. So, in-division games are always tough.
In Dallas, we have struggled as of late. Yeah.
It would be awesome for the Eagles to finally get their first win since 2017 in Dallas. I know they're not playing great right now, but they're going to be fired and hungry.
So, hopefully the Eagles can take care of business. All right, week nine.
Is week nine too early to fire a coach? Apparently not for the Saints. Damn.
They're losing seven games straight. It's just been a wild ride for the Saints.
They blow teams out the first two games. How about that? It has been a rough stretch for the Saints ever since.
Saints lose to the Panthers, making it seven straight. And on Monday, they announced their parting ways with Coach Dennis Allen.
The firing comes after the team had a lot to say on social media. To the entire team.
It started spilling their feelings, man. Cam Jordan, my guy, tweeted out, we just lost to the Panthers, dot, dot, dot.
I love y'all. New Orleans truly had higher expectations and the best of hopes for us.
Y'all deserve it. Yeah.
I mean, it's tough, man. It's losing fucking sucks, man.
St. Bink Saunders, Colin Saunders, fans say keep losing so we can get number one pick.
Hell, throw me in a QB shit. Let's have something fun to watch.
The best was his next one. He said, if that was a college bowl game, that motherfucker would have been called the Cottonelle Doodoo Bowl.
The doodoo. Not the doodoo bowl.
We just lost the Cottonelle Doodoo Bowl. Shake my hand.
You might be honest. Maybe they should start.
Maybe Cotton Hill should get in on this doo-doo bowl. Everybody else is in the bowl game landscape.
Ah, fuck. Should the Panthers be offended by all this? I love this.
I mean, listen, I was just talking trash on the Panthers. I wasn't even talking trash.
I was just like, man, it sucks to be at this point in the season.

And just like zero hope.

JC Horn had a good comment from the Panthers DB.

Don't we got the same record or am I tripping?

You do.

You do have the same record.

Also, should we get behind Colin playing QB?

I mean, fuck the way he ran back the interception when we played him on monday night i'm behind colin getting any more game time and air time as possible because that dude is freaking hilarious he is he's fun as hell to walk with the ball in his hands fuck are players openly tweeting like this always going to be the end of like a coach's tenure i don't know if it's always i mean tweets it's really just like when you clearly see that like the like the team is just like lost they're like any type of like this definitely does not help yeah like it doesn't have to come in the form of tweet sometimes it's in the building but like you know once the team is kind of like we suck like we kind of saw it low-key it was a clip from dak prescott last week bro he could have been Prescott last week, bro. He could have been talking about anybody, though.
Yeah, okay, yeah. He could have been talking about fucking Mississippi.
He could have been talking about his high school team. You never know what that convo is about.
Yeah, either way. Or he's talking about the Cowboys.
Dude, but yeah, not a good look. In some ways, I kind of feel bad.

They've had a lot of injuries up front on their offensive line

that has hindered them.

They've had their defensive line.

They've had a lot of guys leave over the last few years.

Their personnel and the cap situation.

I think Dennis Allen's a good defensive coach,

but clearly it just wasn't going the right way.

Yeah.

When it's starting to go the other way, this is kind of happens it's a results-based league and yeah anyways i'm sure he'll land on his feet he's a good coach it's tough i think you'll be the end for him and hopefully we get a bunch of great content from the saints players the rest of the season in tweet form sir binky moss st binky moss keep uh sending us the good stuff. Does the NFL have a quarterback development problem?

Coming off of the news of the Colts benching Anthony Richardson,

Greg Olson was on the Ryan Russillo podcast this week.

Shout out to Russillo.

Shout out to Russillo and said, in quotes,

there's no doubt we have a quarterback problem in the NFL.

I think a lot of it is man-made.

Asking your quarterback to stand in the shotgun, catch the ball, and throw the ball every down is virtually impossible in today's day and age. These guys don't learn to get under center.
I hear what Olsen's saying. We were talking about it earlier.
Tom Brady said something very similar. Yes.
How the quarterbacks aren't developed into a system. They kind of just get tossed into the most convenient college system

there is in college football, at least.

And then once you get into the league,

they're asked to do a lot of stuff from one formation.

Yes.

And that can get very telling for a defense,

and it doesn't necessarily put the quarterback

in the best situation possible unless you have a quarterback

that's got all the intangibles, and he can do stuff like that.

Yeah, Jaden Daniels.

Thank you. the quarterback in the best situation possible unless you have a quarterback that's got all the intangibles and he can do stuff like that like yeah Jaden Daniels Jaden Daniels like a Lamar Jackson like you know what I mean like guys that are just you know they can do a lot with their feet and that adds to another like like a Jalen Hurts you know guys that guys that can do a lot with their feet are typically the guys that can that can have success with just being in shotgun.
And I think there is some point to be made that, you know, it's easier from the shotgun to see the entire field. When you're under center, you turn your back to the defense a lot.
Yep. You know, if not every play.
So unless we're going back to the old Joe Montana days or the John Elway days where you take a snap and you just start backpedaling as a QB drop.

It's a very interesting point. And who knows what the actual like reasoning is.
But it's definitely if you look at this list by Sam Block on Twitter. Yeah.
It is very interesting that all of these big name quarterbacks that had a lot of success in college and seem to have all the skills to be a pro quarterback

have all been getting benched within their first three years.

Maybe I'm just used to this because I grew up in Cleveland

and all of our quarterbacks.

How many quarterbacks have we had played for the Cleveland Browns at this point?

And how many quarterbacks have gone to have success in other situations, man? I think some of this is a little bit like some of these guys, they're on bad teams or it's systems. A lot of times the teams that are picking quarterbacks aren't necessarily in the best position for a quarterback to flourish.
So some of that has something to do with that. Yeah.
I also think a lot of the college systems have changed and they're not the most multiple.

It's very different from, I think, what a lot of the offenses that are having success in the NFL

are doing right now. And I think successful quarterback play, successful offensive systems,

a lot of it just comes down to not being predictable and not giving things away. And to Greg's point, when you're in shotgun, you have to go above and beyond to hide things because where the back's at, it tips away a lot of things, whether it's protection-wise, whether it's run game-wise.
And if you want to live in that world, I'm a firm believer that you have to move the back around constantly. You need to be moving it, not giving the defense the tells.
There are teams that can operate really well in shotgun, but to what you were saying, typically those are teams that have quarterbacks that have that threat of running, and it's an added element that makes it difficult. You think of like Lamar Jackson, and they operate in pistol and gun a lot

because they want that threat to be able to be an advantage for them.

The under center stuff leads to some beautiful play actions,

which lead to great shots down the field.

I think all of it kind of works.

It depends on who your guy is, but I do kind of think that a lot of of the times the quarterbacks that are coming out it's all like the same stuff it's all like the zone read it's all like it just isn't as dynamic and different these college offenses aren't necessarily giving them the the you know and to i will say this Mahomes, he was the air raid offense.

He was in that Texas Tech gunslinger.

They made their offensive run game.

Every single their run game was like a quarterback draw like that.

Like they're spreading you out five wide, four wide times a game in 11 personnel in 10 personnel.

Guys are just and they're throwing the ball 60 times a game.

Yeah.

When he got to the league, Coach Reed's reads offense you have to take snaps under center right like it and i would love to even just ask pat i might have to go up to him tomorrow and ask him you know how much how much of a benefit is it how much do you love going under center how much do you feel more comfortable do you think it's added to your game you know i'd to ask all these questions. Yeah.
Because a lot of these guys that are saying there's an NFL, there's a QB problem or a development problem in the league are all old guys that played in pro-style offenses. Well, Greg played with Cam, and they did some reads and some shotgun stuff.
Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I don't know how to articulate it.
I just think that, in college, I think to be very honest, I think in college the game has erred on being simpler and like either utilizing speed or like zone read stuff and they're not asked, the quarterbacks aren't asked to do all of these different concepts and like all this stuff that is going to have to happen at the next level so that you're not predictable. Yeah.
They're not being developed as much in college. And then in the NFL, dude, to sit on a guy for three years that you draft in the first round, no team is doing that.
Nobody. It's going to be hard to develop them that quickly.
Nobody but Atlanta. Good point.
And part of this is the nature of the league. Like it used to be when you hired a coach that it was like a three-year process.
We're going to draft guys here. We know we're not going to be very good for like two or three years, but then hopefully in this third year we're going to be building that.
And that mindset has completely shifted. Like now people expect you to turn things around immediately.
You might not be a playoff team immediately, but they want to see the team better and improving, right? Than what it was, yeah. Look at what they've done in Detroit with Dan Campbell.
And that's one of the examples where they've trusted that process. They knew what their long-term goal was and where they were going with it.
And I think that the expectation now is so short-sighted that these guys get rushed out there before they're ready in some instances because there's pressure to play them immediately and it's gonna put ticket seats in the fucking for sure fans in the seats when you got the number one pick overall starting the game it's like yeah i'm about to go see if that guy can really fucking spin it yeah exactly i don't know i don't know I don't know how to tell when a quarterback's ready because I didn't play quarterback. I would love to hear Pat's mindset on that, to be honest with you.
Yeah. Tom brought it up in the offseason, and I think it's kind of shown to be pretty true.
We'll see. Yeah.
Finish the sentence. Quarterback.
The quarterback shouldn't start in the league until. He's ready.
I don't fucking know. Right.
Specific to each quarterback. Yeah.
Until the team trusts his accountability. Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah. Until he needs to.
Until we need to win football games and that guy's going to help us. Which is right now.
All right. I don't really know.
Yeah, I guess that's it for that. Biggest surprise so far at the midway point of the season.
The last thing about week nine before we get to the second half of the season is we're going to talk about what has already happened. We're at the midpoint.
What's the biggest surprise so far? Cardinals are leading the NFC West. Not by much.
What? Yeah. Really? Well, they've won like three straight or two.
Like they've sneaky, very sneaky, but the Rams and 49ers aren't far behind. They're playing better now.
McCaffrey's coming back. The Rams just got back Cooper Cup and Puka when he doesn't punch people.
So there's going to be – I don't think they end up winning the division, although they are doing some really good things. I bet it will be either the Niners niners or the rams but carlos man dude they can run the ball connor is a heck of a running back come on out baby yeah they're they can do that he is a fucking dog he's an absolute dog and when you got kyler back there shaking with him man it's uh that's a that's that's a fucking high-powered offense man commanders are leading the nfc east with a quarterback.
Are they leading or are they tied? I think they're tied with the Eagles. They might not have had their bye week yet, but Cowboys are 3-5.
I don't think anybody saw that coming. That might be the biggest surprise.
We'll see how they do this week against the Eagles. Everyone besides the Bills and the NFC East is under 500.
I thought that conference was going to be good. Two years now, I'm not betting on the AFC East ever again.
I'm over. I thought for sure, like, dude, Aaron's about to ball out.
Freaking the Dolphins are great. And then boom.
I'm telling you, man. Listen, fucking the Jets found a way last week.
Bro, Garrett Wilson. That boy.
That catch. We talked about Saquon's play.
That one-hander, what in the hell was that? That was insane. One of the best catches in the league.
Russ is cooking with the Steelers. I guess it's kind of surprising, but not really.
Like, Russ has done this in the past. He's in a system now that he's more like that run, play-action system he had in Seattle with Marshawn, and they would take shots down the field.
I think it's back to stuff that he's done really well in the past, so not that surprising. Lions being Super Bowl favorites, right? I mean, it's you and them.
Is it surprising Lions being Super Bowl favorites? Yeah. I'm not surprised by it.
Right? Yeah. I mean, they were up, what, three scores in the fucking AFC Championship and NFC Championship last year? I was going to say, if we're being honest, they should have been in the Super Bowl last year.
That is what it is, yeah. But they're very good.
Kirk Cousins has the Falcons in the lead of the NFC South. I didn't see that coming.
Tampa Bay, them, New Orleans. That's not that surprising.
I think the Commanders are the biggest surprise. I did not expect them to be this good.
The commanders are the biggest surprise in the league.

I think they've had the most juice around how surprising they've been playing this year.

Yeah.

And that has a lot to do with starting a rookie quarterback.

Who is playing out of his mind.

Somebody was very well developed.

And you know what it sounds like in the building?

That he wants to be developed.

Everybody says he's the first one in at 4 a.m going over his shit learning the offense i've heard nothing but unbelievable things through this dude and how he loves the game of football dude it's insane so for all you young quarterbacks in there if you don't want to be on that list of guys that have gotten benched in their first three years um maybe just show up and and really desire and love the game of football not that any of those guys on that list didn't put some work in you know go above and beyond baby that always uh seems to put you in a good position addition of the year so far henry to the ravens saquon to the eagles kirk to atlanta d hop to the chiefs adams to the jets i mean i'm biased yeah i'm biased um pretty d hop to the chiefs we've He's only seen. I mean, Saquon to the Eagles is pretty fucking crazy.
Saquon to the Eagles is pretty damn. D-Hop to the Chiefs, we've only seen two games and he's already showed up.
So I don't, like, listen, we'll see. We'll see how it all plays out, baby.
Henry to the Ravens has been pretty unreal, too. I mean, the Ravens are already fantastic and Henry's just added a whole other element.
Yeah, what Saquon's been able to do so far this year is pretty impressive. Team with a losing record that could sneak into the playoffs.
Ooh, who's a team with a losing record that could sneak into the playoffs? I'm going to have to say it's probably one of those NFC East teams. Yeah, it's going to be wide open.
I mean, AFC East. I don't know how I said that.
AFC East. Yeah, I know what you meant.
Well, Bengals are playing better. Bengals, Jets.
I mean, I'm taking everybody with a fucking quarterback. Typically, those guys find a way to win.
Yeah. I want to say the Jets still.
It's just been- Bucs. Bucs are a good football team, man.
And Baker can fucking put up points, man. The problem with the Bucs is they have a tough schedule coming up.
And I don't know when they're getting back Mike Evans. And I don't know how that affects them.
And're already two games out from atlanta i think the nfc is going to be pretty competitive there for those wild cards yeah i'm going to take all the teams that are the closest to 500 i feel like the colts colts are sneaky joe flacco man i think there's gonna be more room to at the bottom of the afc i don't know why it just feels like there's going to be who's in too, at the bottom of the AFC. I don't know why.
It just feels like there's going to be. Who's in that conference? Colts, Titans.
Colts, Texans, Titans. Jags? Yeah.
That's a fuck. Goddamn.
I mean, that's the one right there. That's the conference.
Whoever wins that division. So there's your answer.
There you go. Rookie of the year so far, Jaden Daniels.
I mean, it's not even close. I think Brock Bowers is playing his fucking ass off, and he's putting up a fuck ton of yards.
You can't take away from what Jaden Daniels has been doing. I'd say I'll throw a sleeper in there.
Quinion Mitchell has been fantastic. And normally I wouldn't say a defensive back.
He's for the Eagles. He was our first-round pick this year.
I mean, he hasn't had the interceptions, I guess, but he's been freaking locking. He's been a big boost to the secondary.
Nice. A little shout-out.
Yeah, it's Jaden Daniels. It's Jaden Daniels.
Yeah. Let's keep this thing moving.
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As far as relationship questions go, I'd love to ask you both, what would you do if you lived in a split household as far as rival schools? So my wife and I went to rival colleges and would love to know what your advice would be for how to handle living with your significant other, your significant other whom you love when they're rooting for the other team. And especially if you've got any good ideas for bets or things you could do around the house for when those teams are playing and make a little extra fun.
So love your advice on how to handle a relationship in a rivalry household. Thanks a lot.
Love the show. You guys are great.
Thanks. Nice, man.
I appreciate you. Thanks for the call.
Listen, I kind of like that. I always enjoy ribbing my buddies and friends.
That's the best. That's the best part of being fans.
Yeah. You get the freak.
Like, if you have a healthy fandom, you enjoy the back and forth with the rivals, right? Yeah. You're talking trash, the different bets.
So I think there's something exciting about that. Yeah.
I also, yeah, I want to know what the specific teams are. Is it Ohio State, Michigan? Yeah, maybe.
Is it like Auburn, Alabama? I don't know. I don't know either.
But what are some fun bets? Who's got to take out the trash? Who's got to do the dishes? Who's got to change the diapers? You know.

Putting chores on the line is always a good one.

Wearing the other person's, you know, team into work or something, make you feel real stupid out in public.

That is good.

Public humiliation is always a good thing to put on the line.

Yep.

You could definitely go with, you know, throw a little bit of that like, hey.

Chill out. Loser's got to do a favor.
Not again. Listen, I'm already on.
I'm already in a – Kylie took to Twitter announcing that I'm already in a – The doghouse. Not the doghouse.
I'm in a dry spell right now. So I don't want to get into any more trouble with guys.
So, oh man, just throw on Jumanji, man. That's all I really got.
All right. This is what being a diehard fan is about though.
Yeah. Having the fun back and forth, even if it's with a loved one, who, I mean, even more so, right.
It's just so much fun because it's like you know the person's true intentions you're not going to get insulted by their by what they're saying so really lay it lay it on them i'm gonna feel real stupid for being a part of that fan base yeah in a playful way in a playful way yeah of course always in a playful way never take it too serious now all it for No Dumb Questions. Brought to you by Coke Zero Sugar.
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