Lil Dicky on What’s Next After ‘Dave,’ His Philly Fandom and The Weirdest Thing He’s Signed | Ep 85

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We got another episode lined up for you guys. We're about to be joined very shortly by one and only rapper, comedian, actor, triple threat, Lil Dicky, to talk about his rise of stardom and his lifelong Philadelphia fandom, as well as his hit show, Dave, and what it's like working with Brad Pitt.
But first... All right.
Our guest today is the multi-platinum rapper and extremely talented actor out of Sheltonham High School. You know him from his viral hits like Freaky Friday and Save That Money.
Save it. He's the executive producer and star of Dave on FXX.
In his own words, his dick is made of balls. Well, skin, I think.
But he's built an entire TV show around the subject. But most importantly, he's a massive Philadelphia sports fan.
Hell yeah. And was featured on the Dreidel song on our last Christmas album, the Eagles' Christmas album, making his New Heights debut.
Please welcome, it's the one and only, Little Dinky Baby! Yes, sir! Is this a common thing that people do or no? I think so, we'll do it. Legendary.
Guys, it is such an honor to be here, truthfully. Dude, it is an honor to have you.
We were so fired up when we found out you were coming on, and yeah, it's long time overdue, long time overdue. I'm so thrilled to meet new men and like i just really i've never admired

two men from afar more so it's like it feels now i feel less weird loving you guys so much having never been in the same room as you just know it's reciprocating yeah thank you ever since we can all get once i saw you i was like that's my long last brother that's my brother i felt that way ever since i saw footage of you speaking man i really what a dancer it's incredible he's so talented Both of you, shh.

First question, as serious journalists um which we are not and i just read whatever the fuck's on this prompter um we want to get this right do you want to be called on this podcast little dicky ld dave young dick mr leftward sloppy penis sloping sloping sloping i can read. I put you in a bad position with all of this.
White Jesus. The Urologist, which might be my favorite.
Cheese Dick. That might be the one right there.
Yeah, let's go with Cheese Dick. I call half of my friends Cheese Dick.
I'm sticking with the Urologist if you're going to let me. The Urologist is cool.
I like that it has like the in front of it. But Dave also works really well.
Dave's cool. My preference.
But I love that. Thank you for that.
We just mentioned that you were on the Eagles Christmas album last year. Yeah, what was your initial reaction, I guess, when Connor emailed you to come on the album? First off, you gotta realize I'm like a true Eagles fan.
So to just receive an email, like an administrative email signed Connor Barwin, I was like, whoa. And I felt really cool just receiving that email.
That's how much I, the best part of me, like being a successful entertainer, I always say is truly that I get to like, actually like meet and have relationships with these professional athletes. There's nothing that like better to me in life than being at a nightclub and Embiid's arm is around you.
That's nuts. You know what I mean? Or getting an email, an email from Connor Barlow.
And that fell into that same bucket. That same bucket.
And I got the email, and first off, I see everything you guys do guys do and I saw it like when you're Watching Jordan even sing like that voice like it was just like I was right there with you guys Watching the whole thing unfold and I was just so honored to even be reached out to and I was like what Christmas song Are they gonna want to and then there was the hot as the dreidel song and then I heard it and I was like This is so good and I didn't even want to like do I really barely did anything on it. I just introduced it and like really sang a few background vocals.
But you loved every second of it. You guys had it covered and a true honor to be.
I like, I literally, I wrote down, sometimes like I write down cool things that I can say as a rapper in the future. And I wrote down that I was on a song with you.
No way. So that might come in a rap later.
Oh my gosh, I can't wait. We need it.
What did you think of Howie Roseman? Do you think he has a future in the music industry? Uh... Well, before we get to the very professional whatever you're about to do with Lil Dicky, we're gonna start with a little, as we always do, new news.
New news. That's right.
You want his one with new news? In your own style? New news. That was gangster.
Thank you. Right off the bat.
That was good. Dave, latest news.
We're both huge fans of Dave, obviously. Yeah.
It was recently announced that you're taking an extended hiatus from the show. Yeah.
And you've also just released your new album, Peaneth, which is, I believe, a soundtrack from David. Yeah, that's right.
Can you share what you're doing next? Yeah. You know, I obviously love the show.
It's a dream to make that show. So fucking cool, man.
Thank you. And I'm thrilled that you guys even watch it.
But no, it's just like there's so many things I want to do, whether it's making music writing movies you know developing other shows that like when i'm making the show every season the amount of work that a season takes is truly uh it's unbelievable i didn't even expect it i'm a hard-working ambitious guy you're hands-on too i am hands-on i think it's because i'm so hands-on that it causes all the work yes i'm sure yeah it's like because you know in the right i'm in, and then I'm in every scene, and then I'm like, the guy editing it. You're writing, producing, directing, editing.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of hats to wear.
The whole shebang. Which is a thrill.
I'd much rather be in control and doing things that I'm passionate. But of course, I don't want to just do the same thing over and over again every year.
There's just other things I want to do. So I'm excited about all these different ventures I'm finally getting the time to focus on that I wouldn't have had in season.
What brings you more joy, writing a great song or? A great scene? Yeah. I'd say right now they hold similar levels of joy.
Which is a lame answer. No, it's not.
It's not. It is not lame.
And I will fucking fight anybody that says it. Yeah.
No, right now, I think when it comes to, I think I'm more naturally good at writing scripts and TV and film than I am as a, I really feel like rap was like, I 10,000 hour my way into getting to to where I feel like I am. Then even now it's more of a correct, like when I write a scene now, it's pretty much always good.
When I write a song, I wouldn't say that's the case. You know what I mean? Okay.
But that honestly makes it me even happier when I make a great song. Cause like, it's just, it's more kind of like songs are just like random, you know, throws of paints that like come out and like, there's so many different factors that can contribute to this random outcome of like the way it makes you feel where scenes are more granular and you can really kind of dictate the outcome more.
Yeah. Interesting.
That makes sense. Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you some of my my some of my favorite scenes are where when you go

into your songs sure because those are fucking epic dog yeah no um let's talk let's talk a little bit more about the the tv show dave and um just your tv career itself yeah last season ended with an incredible episode we're in a hostage situation with uh brad pitt man how cool was it to get brad pit on set coolest experience how did that even come about nothing's cool was it to get Brad Pitt on set? Coolest experience of that. How did that even come about? Nothing's cooler.
Was it just like an administration email? Dude, it was a cold email. I literally have never met him.
Yeah. Shout out to Brad for answering his email, man.
Fuck. Better than me.
First off, I love both of you and have known each other for like five minutes. Brad Pitt is definitely the coolest guy I've ever met in my life.
I've never met anybody in life. I could have told you that.
I take zero offense to that. Zero, zero.
You never know. Like he seems cool, but sometimes like guys like have personas that are really cool and you meet them and they're like shy or like just not fun to hang out with.
Like this guy was the man. I believe it.
And he was so nice to everybody on set. I met him, unfortunately, the moment he walked on set, I was filming the scene where the stalker is creating a cast mold of my lower half.
So I literally have to meet Brad Pitt fully naked, covered in sludge, with my dick outline visible. And I have to go and worm out to meet Brad I didn't even, you know, he responded to my email with a truly iconic response, like metaphorically saying he would be there to the point where like, I like didn't know like if it was real or like a joke or what.
And like, even like then the, he asked his agents, is this real? They were like, yes. And then, but even you have to see him show up to believe this is actually going to happen.
That Brad Pitt is going to like make make like come on my TV show. He hasn't done TV in like 30 years.
And it wasn't like a brief cameo where like I see him in a bar and say, hey, Brad. And he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he was there shooting four nights from like 8 p.m.
to 7 a.m. Like just giving me every single hour.
Like, you know, I gave him every out to like, you know, the way you shoot a scene, like if I was shooting a scene with you right now, they would shoot your coverage over my shoulder, then they'd shoot my coverage over yours. I got a man that looked just like Brad from behind, wearing the exact same clothing that Brad would wear.
And I gave Brad every out, like, you know, you don't have to wait around at 3 a.m. to shoot my coverage.
Like, and he was like, I would never go. What a Jane.
Oh my gosh. He was assaulted at the question.
You can't love him enough, man. Yeah.
What a tremendous person. A truly, like, I've never felt like I made it more.
Like, Brad Pitt is the LeBron, Michael Jordan of film. Of acting, right? Yeah.
Yeah. And for him to, and like, I'm sitting with him on set and I'm giving him, him like direction and he's respecting my opinion and believing in my vision.
There's nothing more gratifying as a filmmaker, like ever. I couldn't believe it.
I'm thrilled. I'm so thankful.
I love you, Brad. Us too.
Yeah, me too. We second that.
Well, you've been joined by all sorts of incredible guests on the show, Brad Pitt, obviously, then Drake had his unbelievable appearance. Usher, Rachel McAdams, Don Cheadle, Kevin Hart.
The list just goes on and on. Which, I mean, which one were you most surprised you could get them on the show or on set? Because that's it.
Rachel McAdams was... I was about to say, that was the one that was the most shocking.
Yeah. I don't know why.
It's just like, I don't, you don't see her do like stuff like that.

I feel like often.

Yeah.

If ever.

I don't think I've ever seen that, right?

And she falls into that same category.

Like when we grew up, like who is like the leading woman in all the movies that like

developed our thoughts of love?

Yeah.

It's truly Rachel McAdams, you know, and for her to be a fan of the show, come on again,

not like a scene in a bar saying hi,

she's a three episode arc.

I'd say Rachel, but like, you know, I mean,

there are certain things that I'm like, man, like,

I'm so happy I'm getting Don Cheadle to fart three times.

So fucking cool.

You know?

Are you more starstruck by like a Philadelphia legend

in the sports world or like an entertainer? Why are you looking over here? I was just asking. If you're asking if I'm more starstruck when I saw him compared to like Usher, I was Usher.
It's true. But I get it, I get it.
But you're also, you're a weird professional athlete to me where I find where you're, I find you so incredibly relatable. You know what I mean? In a way like, like I, I think I would be really starstruck by Allen Iverson.
You know what I mean? But like, there's something about you that I feel like I've been your best friend our whole life or something. Yeah.
And I, I'm like, I felt that way as like a younger guy watching you. And I think that's one of the reasons Philadelphia probably loves you so much is because you really feel like one of the people.
Yeah, I appreciate that. It's not even a good thing.
I don't even know why that is. Right, yeah.
Trust me, he gets it. You just come off like unathletically.
Sloppy. Why, thank you.
I'm trying really strive for that. Yeah, fans know that a lot of your show, Dave, is based around your actual life.
How much of Dave is a reality and how much have you kind of like tweaked in terms of the fiction? It felt like season one for sure. Yeah, that's where really...
Well, how about this? I'll let you answer the question. Please.
Take it off. You guys really do relate.
I'll tell you what. I've known him for five five minutes season one was definitely the most true to his soul uh it's hard to quantify like like i'll say this a lot is certainly really from my life but a lot is like there are you know i have a whole writer's room of people who've lived similar lives or had their own experiences and we like pull from their lives or we just make things up because sometimes the funniest thing to do is to make up Don Cheadle farting in a bathroom at the Metcala.
I've never actually been to the Metcala. In a way, like my character on the show has actually surpassed me in real life as far as like achievement, which is kind of a bummer.
But I think it's because I take so much time making the show that it's that. But regardless, I think that as time goes on, like to experiment more and like sure i think i entered the show uh not even knowing the type of mark i wanted to make like as a tv film movie guy uh and it's just evolved to a place where i care so much about filmmaking and like being a true like director and filmmaker to the point the point where now I look at Dave as an opportunity because every episode can be its own thing.
I can be like, why don't I make this a horror episode and totally see what it's like to make a mini horror movie? And then why don't I make a psychological thriller with Brad Pitt and a hostage with a gun? Things can get a little more unrealistic when I'm'm like experimenting in genres like this but i think that's my when did film get in to the to play here were you always into like directing and i didn't know i'd be like a director at heart uh but i always loved movies and you know when i thought about my life like i definitely thought i'm i want to be like the next great comedian i and when i imagined what that looked like i never imagined myself on stand-up stage with a mic. You never imagined Chino? I never did it, no.
Never Santino? Like SNL or anything? I never, I loved and respected standup. Oh, it's the best.
For whatever reason, I just like saw like Adam Sandler and Happy Gilmore or like Will Ferrell. And I'm just seeing all these, you know, there's this murderer's row of comedians that like, when I was a kid and when you guys were kids, R-rated comedies were like the thing that like drove everyone's attention yeah and I just thought those guys never were anything other than everyone's funny friend when they were my age you know and I was like I can do this so I answered just like with like without knowing but then as I did it I surprisingly started caring so much about like tone and aesthetic and like I can't even like even like a scene now like when you talk about season one There are a lot of the funniest things from this show in season one But I also think there are a lot of the worst looking scenes like interesting just visually now I don't think people necessarily give too much of a shit about that But you do but I do and I only am carrying more and more and more to where nice But yeah, yeah, I don don't know I just like the art is that the same way in music as well were you like in a different way like yes I definitely look back at all my own music and I'm like what was I thinking I saw I'm a loser and I do that about my game film I'll watch myself and just be like god damn it yeah I I'm going to get fucking cut.
Why was I doing that?

Why was I putting my hand there? It's so stupid. Yeah.
I mean, with me, with music, like I was oftentimes early in my career trying to just like say something outrageously funny to get like a laugh and like really was like driving my song topics around like viral comedy, like moments. whereas now like if I can make a song

without being funny

that I like

I'm probably even more proud

of that than a

a around viral comedy moments. Whereas now, if I can make a song without being funny that I like, I'm probably even more proud of that than a funny song.
But still, as you guys can probably tell, if we hung out, I try to make you laugh all the time. It's just who I am as a person.
So I think I'm always going to have comedy infused in what I do. I'm not going to just ever be a stone cold, depressing drama guy.
But I think when I came into it,

I was like,

I want to make super bad,

which is like definitely a top three favorite movie of all time for me.

So fucking good.

But now I think like,

I want to make the social network.

Okay.

Which is also a top three movie of all time for me.

Yeah.

They're both so good.

Or maybe between the both of them.

Yeah.

That'd be kind of the sweet spot that I'd look to hit.

That's dope.

Yeah. I just mentioned Santino, my spot that I'd look to hit.
That's dope. Yeah.

I just mentioned Santino, my favorite comedian out right now.

So funny.

When I heard he was on the show, I fucking got real jacked up.

We've been trying to get him on the show.

He's been kind of a big time.

And I was just whatever.

Santino's got a lot of things.

He's always on the course.

He's got a lot of movies out right now.

He's still doing stand-up, which he's the best at.

Playing nine.

Yeah.

I played more golf with him. Yeah.
I mean, I get it. You got to keep that swing active, baby.
You think he's dodging us at this point? Maybe. I just threw it on tape.
I think he really is always, like, every time I show him, he's like, oh, yeah, I'm in Albuquerque. Like, I'll be back.
He's, like, always somewhere. He loves touring and, like, being out there and hitting the road.
But I'll never forget when I met him in an audition room. I didn't even know about him until I sat in the room early when I made the show.
I was in all the callbacks. And he just wooed you, didn't he? He just came in there.
No competition. Never was there a more clear-cut choice of this guy that was supposed to be my best friend manager character.
I fell in love with him instantly. So so funny and i threw everything i like you know really in my show i would do a lot of improv i think like the funniest not only the funniest but like kind of the realist and most like soulful organic moments can occur if you really are like being off the cuff and like there can be a sentiment that we're obviously going for but it's going to be better if we say it in different ways every time, because it'll be more truthful to the moment.

So in the audition process, I like to really throw things

at people that aren't on script,

and that guy did not miss a beat.

Oh yeah, that's a specialty right there.

He's the only person that makes me break,

where I'm trying to do a scene and he says something

and I'll ruin the scene because I'm mad.

He's so funny.

One of my favorites.

All right, well Santino, I will keep begging you to come on the show. Have you been on his? Whiskey Ginger, baby.
You know what? Oh, yeah. Okay.
I don't know what you're doing. Yeah.
I wore really short shorts and my nuts were showing the entire time. It was a fun interview because I got to hang with Cheeto for a little bit.
Yeah. So I'll probably play a round of golf before you come on here.
So we'll just talk about it when we're at Lakeside, baby. You're making him seem so unattainable.
I don't, yeah. I'm not sure he deserves this level of unattainability.
I love you. I love to do something.
I just love popping up. After the first season of Dave premiered, though, LeBron publicly endorsed the show on Twitter.
How, I mean, how fucking cool is that? I keep, I feel like I've said too many times this interview, like the coolest thing that's ever happened to me. But really, I got to be honest.
I swear to God, like a part of me, like evaluates my life pre and post LeBron reaching out. I swear to God.
I've never. That was the moment.
I always. It's so lame.
I can't believe I am this way. You shouldn't be this way.

But I always said, like, none of this is even successful until LeBron ignores me.

I would go to games.

I would seek his gaze.

You know, I would get nothing.

And when he, like, you know, he publicly tweets about it.

I look at my DM.

There's, like, this.

He's like, hey, man.

Like, the back and forth, like, motivating each other. I don't know if I motivated him, but like maybe I did.
But like for LeBron James to sit and watch a series about my life, there's no. I mean, that guy, I have so much.
I told you guys that I have so much respect from afar, but that guy, like the expectations. North East Ohio guys, man.
You know what I'm saying? I guess so. I guess so.
There's just something about him that is like, anyone that dislikes LeBron James is such a loser. I'm with you on that.
I'm with you on that. I mean, he's so likable.
All he does is do the right thing. We felt the exact same way he tweeted at us.
I saw that. We were at practice, and as I'm coming off of the practice field, I'm like a schoolgirl with somebody that's some hot gossip.
Like, hey, do you know that the hottest guy in the world thinks you're sexy? He is hot. It's crazy.
It's crazy. What a feeling.
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What did you start rapping about back then?

I did, there was this like,

I had to do a report on Alexander Pushkin,

who is a Russian.

Pushkin.

Yeah, honestly.

Who and Z fuck?

He was like a Russian poet, I believe.

Oh, nice.

Okay.

And I don't know why I did it.

I just like delivered it via rap

and it just really went over well.

I got like a great, I got an A, got an A. And then I kind of.
Better than anything I've ever done. Yeah.
I kind of like kept that in the back of my head. I've always been like love creative writing or whatever.
And then like when I graduated college, for example, like I had to do another like boring. Some karate, right? Yep.
Thank you. I wasn't going to say it.
I was was gonna ask top of the class uh but i i got this job at an ad agency and i wasn't even in the creative department i was actually in like the administrative business like side of it and i had to do this really boring report on chip sales because i was on the doritos account and like but it was my one time where i sent an email to the partners at the company and I was like, you know,

a young ambitious guy trying to get noticed

in this ad agency.

So I delivered like, you know,

instead of it being a word document about the data,

I just delivered it as a wrap.

And like, they went crazy at my ad.

And like switched me.

What is up with these fucking, you and emails, man.

Yeah.

I'm very good.

That's true.

I didn't know emails work like this. They work really well for me.
I haven't been answering any of them. And then I just saw, I literally saw everyone freak out about this funny comedy rap about chip sale data.
And I always wanted to be a comedian as I told you guys. And I was like, wait a minute, why don i you know if people are loving this boring data-driven rap like why don't i actually take my good comedic ideas and rap like at the time there was only like the lonely island andy sandberg guys and i was like look at they've got no competition they're so wow yankovich was childhood but he was he was really past his prime at this point i love it was he ever was he kind of weird for sure i loved weirdo same i loved weirdo yeah for sure but his paradise oh my god there was like five like eat it yeah eat it was great he was really impressive he had a great run i you know i i was i then that's when i started doing the the comedy raps.
And that's what really took off for me and got me noticed. In a song of yours and in your show, Dave, you start your rap career with your bar mitzvah money.
Is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an actual story.
Yes. Oh my God.
This is so dope. Yeah.
I got, I think it was like six grand, which is amazing. Like at 13 years old that i was never allowed to touch and and then i was like 24 and i still i don't know how the i don't think i had like access i don't even know how my accounts worked at that you know what i mean yeah so i called my parents and i was like i you know i have access to this i was like do i have access i'm gonna touch this and they were like no you can't spend it and i was like why and they were like you you're saving that money for a reason and I was like for what I was like what my two options are this I can spend that money on like a really nice sofa from like my next apartment or I can like pursue my dreams yeah and it's a good way to sell it yeah it worked it worked it worked I got access to.
I got the funds sent over to me. And then what I did was I found like the guy who was doing all the rap videos in Oakland, Brian Storm.
And we made like six different $1,000 videos. And they were all like really great.
Like I, it was my first time doing anything with like a camera or, and we just like winged it and figured it out. And was so fun and then those really succeeded immediately yeah and then i did a kickstarter to raise 113 thousand dollars yeah what i did was i accumulated enough online assets what i did was like i for two years slaved away and made videos made more raps and then your shoe doll you were selling shoes out of the back was.
This is sweet. And I didn't even show anybody because I didn't want anyone to deflate my hope.
Sure. I was just like, I believe that I'm like the next Kanye.
Let me just roll with that attitude. Yeah.
Because it's going to be helpful as I get things done. And I worked really hard.
Didn't put things out when they were done. I saved it because I thought the best way to roll this out is to have some sort of system where everyone knows when to check for you.

It's the same with you guys right now.

You see how it works, consistency is key.

So I built up five months of material

all while working at this ad.

I wrote all my raps in my cube.

And really, people actually stopped giving me work.

It sounds like you weren't working.

I wasn't really working.

I caught a real nice wave.

Good vibes will keep you alive.

I was there early though.

I was there early and I was there late.

Just thinking one good email a day.

I'm here.

I would write these raps and then I'd put,

I created all the content.

Then once a week I'd put stuff out.

Luckily for me, the first day I put anything out,

the thing got like a million and a half views,

which was a dream because I had this,

I was about to start putting it out. The first day.
First day. Such an I told you so moment.
My parents on the record pulled me aside and said, like, we just want to sit down and have this conversation that we think you are making a huge mistake. And we think you're throwing away your career.
And you're putting this material out about like your dick and like you have a job, it's a good job and you're going to ruin your life. And so just day one to be like, you're like copy, send.
Day two. I'm not kidding.
TMZ hit me up and I did an interview from my cube with that guy, Harvey or whatever. I don't know.
That's wild. And then next week, a new one.
Next week, a new one. Then I ran out of money and material, but it was five months straight of like the best I had to offer.
I accumulated a fan base of like, I don't know, probably like 100,000 people. I said, I wanna do a Kickstarter.
3,000 of those people donated. And then they donated like an average of $40.
And then I made like 113 grand. Holy cow.
And then I funded my tour. I got like Snoop Dogg on a song.
That's like how I was able to like make the first legitimate like non-internet stuff.

Dude, you were fucking hustling, man.

I was.

This is so cool.

Thank you.

Well, obviously we know you were musically gifted even back in high school.

Did you also play, just like Jason.

Jason was a very musically gifted high school kid.

He was in the marching band and he played running back both i was i was

not in the marching band what was your instrument uh saxophone huh baritone sax you still let it rip he played the flute too i have played the flute both the skin and the metal talk to him i'm sure you guys both play the recorder you know the recorder yes that's what we started on so yeah Yeah, in our...

A little hot cross buns?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In our school district, you start on the recorder, I think, in third grade.

And then fourth grade, you started with- everybody had to have an instrument. It was a super liberal artsy community.
And I picked alto sax and stayed with it through high school. Loved every second of it.
Went to college. It was like, nobody's going to want to hear me play saxophone in the dorm.
So I started playing and i good i've still like kept involved in music but not i used to mess around with fruity loops and try and make beats and like stuff like that and i was terrible at it so i stopped but so the christmas album thing must be so thrilling to you it's amazing yeah yeah get in the studio to see what real musicians actually do for a living it's been truly incredible yeah um i'm a fan of watching

anybody who's an expert in their field or like the best at what they do or they've been doing it for their whole lives like it's just so humbling to see somebody who's put so much work and dedication and mastered their craft i could watch somebody like if you're the best at putting up sheetrock it's gonna mesmerize me like it's like how incredible you've done this and put the hours and that you're the best in the world at this.

From Sheet Rocker to Alco Saxer.

We're going we're gonna we're gonna make some we're gonna make some swords here eventually. Yeah, we're gonna afford some swords Allegedly we'll figure it out To the actual question so he played in the marching band and he was running back.
Were you also musically gifted and played running back? I didn't play running back. First off, I played the drums in the ninth grade band, but I didn't know how to read music.
So all I could do- Just feel? Just by ear? Yeah, which is, but then I didn't let, I tried, it was not a good look to be that way. So I had to work really hard to memorize it

to seem like I knew, but if they changed anything,

which they never did, but if they did,

it was always very stressful.

Are you sure you're not just stealing this

from the movie Drumline?

That sounds exactly like the plot of Drumline.

Very good.

I was a lot like that guy.

And I was the captain of the best tennis team in the history of Cheltenham High School. Ooh, tennis.
Three-year captain. So this is why you're bringing up pickleball earlier.
Let's fucking go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You think pickleball is like a joke. I don't think it's a joke.
Do you play pickleball? I've played like three times, and I'm just like not nearly as good as I should be. Okay.
So it just frustrates me as a good tennis player to get out there and like, you know, lose to these guys that just play pickleball too much. Do you take anything from your tennis? That can get infuriating.
Yeah. Do you take anything from your time in tennis and apply it to what you do now? Yeah.
I think I always, this is so, I had the warrior spirit. Like I'm telling you when I was, I could be down 5-1 game point and I really believed..
And I came back so many times, and I truly was like the most, the way I play tennis, I'm not that good. I was the second best player in my high school, purely out of effort, heart, and I was a pusher.
I never made mistakes. All heart.
Yeah. What is a pusher? So in tennis, you got guys who can rip it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And some guys really look good when they're warming up, but then you get them in a game, and they just can't make more than three shots in a row. I will never make a mistake.
I will never do anything that looks that impressive. But I will make zero on four stairs.
I will get to every ball, and I'll really be like just an absolute pesk. Yeah.
And I talked a lot of shit back then, too. Defensive tennis defense defensive tennis player no one no one i'm happy we're talking about this because my tennis team deserves this platform no hell yeah nobody this is why we're here this is why new heights is this is a perfect new heights topic my tennis team uh behaved in a way very similar to happy gilmore the way he played golf, where we were disruptors.

And we were really like not that great at tennis,

but we all were really good athletes

with really good hearts, and we were all like really funny.

And we would like do, like one thing I would do,

I'll show you.

So basically, can I stand or am I gonna get out of frame?

You can stand.

You can do whatever you want.

I don't know if it's gonna work, but we can try.

Can we open this up a little bit?

All right. So I'm receiving, can you hear me, everybody? Yes.
I'm receiving the serve. And the guys there on the other side of the court, and these guys, I'm playing the second best kid in every school.
They're usually like guys who are like tennis lifers, who like really are burnout from tennis. It's all they care about.
Yes. I don't play that much.
Like it's not a big part of my life, but like I'm a winner. I'm there to.
And so they're bouncing the ball. They go up, and right as the ball's in the air, I would be like, and I would go, and just so loud.
And then they would fall. You basketballed them? Yeah.
You psyched me. Yeah.
And then they'd be like, what was that? And I'd be like, what was what? What was the split step, half step before a serve? That's what I do. and then like you know in between i love this i love this so much this is all my entire childhood cornhole you play cornhole yeah you just walk down the board every time the guys you know in between games with tennis you'll i feel like i've lost control of the mic it has a mind of its own yeah okay in between games you know you switch every odd game.
And the guy will sit on the bench, and I would just go sit right next to the guy and be like, man. I would say things like that, I'd be like, man, I know that you're better than me.
And I know that you know that you're better than me. But I feel like at the end of the day, I'm probably gonna win this.
I would say things like that to them. And it really had, as the captain, it had like a trickle down effect.
And all of us, I'd be like, first of us, how's it going over there? I'd be like, oh, we're fucking killing it. And we did this, we overachieved in a way that doesn't, we finished top eight in the state.
I say top five, I am rounding up. We were top eight.
We got smoked in the quarterfinals. Every one of us was completely outmatched.
This is so good. This has to find its way.
Yeah. Sheldon Ham tennis team.
We had our... This is it.
We need a photo. We need a photo of the Sheldon Ham tennis team.
Yeah, I'll get you one. This is so legendary, man.
Thank you for taking us on that journey. Yeah.
Who was your favorite tennis player growing up? I love Federer. Federer.
I was an Agassi guy. Yeah.
I mean. You were more of an Agassi player, it sounds like.
For sure. Yeah.
Just an American rebel. Just return everything.
Federer was a class. Just get it back over the net.
It's crazy. Because with tennis, too, it's just, you feel like we like, it's interesting that Federer came up and we were like, oh, my God, that's Michael tennis and then right after him the dog came we're like oh my god that's michael jordan and then jokovic came we're like oh wow like back to back to back boom boom boom it was really interesting nicely uh so you're the one that was supposed to be the next uh lebron he kind of fizzled out who uh nadal what the doll didn't fizzle out no he did not he He didn't? No.
He just got beat by the other people? He's the king of clay. I mean, he won like 19 or 21 or something.
He was all right. He did all right.
He did good. He's definitely top five all the time.
Top three all the time. I think top three.
I think those three are like top three. All right.
So he's... Magic Johnson.
All right. Here we go.
We always like to ask our guests. they're welcome to the NFL moment, welcome to the NBA moment, whatever their field is.
What is your welcome to the industry moment? Another story I've never told that just came into my head that's perfect for this moment. Oh my gosh.
Celebrity basketball game. Ooh.
Where, where? I don't know where it was. Give us a setting.
Give us a setting. Somewhere in LA and much earlier in my career than I deserved to be.
When I looked at the lineup, it was like Floyd Mayweather, Snoop Dogg, Chris Brown, like John Wall. It was like stacked.
And I had no mainstream. I had like a couple of viral.
I don't know how I got in the game to the point where I actually put a lot of stock and import in this game that I got there an hour early to warm up because I literally thought a way that I could get ahead in this industry faster will be scoring 30 points in this game. And really, I literally went there because I was like, this is a big opportunity.
This is my chance. To advance my career.
This is my chance. If I can somehow dunk on Snoop Dogg.
And I've seen so many celeb games where I'm like, these guys suck, you know? And so I was excited to go there and really, you know, and a few things happened. One, I'm there warming up by myself and Chris Brown walks in.
He can hoop. First time I ever saw Chris Brown.
And so I'm like blown away by like just seeing him. He walks right up to me and he goes, you're a dope rapper.
And I was like, and it was so early. I would never expect him to know who I am.
And like to have like an icon in the music industry who has like countless, like number, it's just like him saying that to me meant everything. That was the impetus of Freaky Friday, us meeting there.
That's step one. That's like the least important part of the story.
Then we play in, the game starts. I'm not in the starting lineup Nowhere close.
It's like, you know, it's the people I named. My coach is John Wall.
The way he, the way he, well, not actually, because the way John Wall went about operating his team was he did five in five out. So he had starting five, then he just.
So complete subs. Yeah, so I'm in the next five.
He says, he tells me grab Chris, like Chris Brown. Oh no.
Oh wow. So I go up to, by the way, every time Chris Brown touches the ball in this game- He scores.
No, it's just like, it's just like, squee, it's like- Oh, okay. It's like- Everyone going nuts.
Like every time he hears the ball, you know, when people boo in Philly when they come back, when they, like, when Harden gets the ball, it was like the opposite of that. So, I'm told to get Chris Brown.
So, I walk up to Chris, and I go like, yo, I'm in for you. And he goes, I'm not coming out.
Oh, that's awkward. And then there's 11 guys on the court.
Everyone is like, matched up. Like, I'm clearly the audience.
I look to John Wall. Can you help? For direction.
Coach, like, and he goes, John Wall goes like. And he brings me back over.
First thing I say is like, John, like get a grip and like have some like authority on your team. This is like humiliating.
To like send me out there and then pull me back in. It's so emasculating.
This is so good. And then they're playing, and then I get in the next five or whatever.
I get in the game. I get in the game.
I get the ball. I drive aggressively.
I go up. I get to the rim.
I get fouled so hard by Deontay Wilder, the at the time heavyweight champion of the world. Dude, like everyone went like, like everyone, like the whole gym went like, like, cause I thought like I like really got hurt.
I didn't hurt, I think the, I don't know, it didn't really hurt that much. I took it.
In the moment, oh my gosh. I get up, I miss two free throws, and then I play one more meaningless minute, and then I just didn't even, I like moved to the end of the bench and just chose not to even make myself available for the rest of the game.
But that was a real, there was like several different moments in there that felt like welcome to the industry. That was like the first time I think I ever like was on like Giddy Images, you know what I mean? Where there was like watermarked images of like me talking to Snoop.
So good. That's amazing.
Let's get to your Philly fandom. You're known as a Philly sports fan, obviously.
Huge. You quoted as saying, I care so much about Philadelphia sports.
It's to a level that's unhealthy. Yeah.
What's the one team if you had to choose all of the major ones? I can't choose between the Sixers and the Eagles. It's definitely those two.
I knew it was going to be one of the, I thought you were going to go Eagles. I'm not going to lie.
I can't choose. I relate to basketball.
I relate to basketball more. That's what I was saying.
I was telling it has to be the Sixers. I just feel like Philly is such a Eagles town.
It's a Sixers town too, but it's definitely Eagles more. I really feel like I love them both evenly.
And I love the NBA as much as I love the NFL.

Like I just love, I mean, I love the once a week,

like the buildup of a game.

I really love that.

But I also love like, you know,

I love in baseball how they're playing every night at seven.

Like, you know what I mean?

But there's definitely a drop off for me

with baseball and hockey.

But as far as Sixers and Eagles,

I've tried to become less unhealthily obsessed

to the point where like, you know,

I love it. a drop off for me with baseball and hockey but i'm as far as sixers and eagles i would you know i've tried to become less unhealthily obsessed to the point where like you know you lose a playoff game and my week is fully ruined um to now i i can as an adult stomach thing but like when i think of the best night of my life it's to that it's when you won the super bowl 2017 season 18 best night of my life was like every philly sports fan.
And I turned down tickets to that game in Minnesota so I could go home and watch it with my like, Cheltenham 10 high school fans. Oh, that's dope.
So then we could all go out. Did you guys go out afterwards? Yeah, we went, it was.
Oh! Did you climb the poles? I went on Instagram live. Did you climb the poles? I didn't climb the poles.
I observed people climbing the poles. I saw it in my own two eyes.
So that is my one great. Saw a guy eating bullshit? That's what my one great regret is that we couldn't be on Broad Street after the game as players.
And my great regret is I had to leave town like a day after and I missed the parade. So I never got to have that with you.
Wow. Yeah.
I have a video of it. The other guy though.
Yeah. Video of it.
Well, there is a viral clip of you wearing

a Sixers jacket courtside at the 2016 NBA Finals.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

What a seat.

Yeah.

Crazy.

We talk about this all the time.

Best ticket in sports.

It's the best ticket in sports.

That is court side, yeah.

Court side at an NBA game.

Now I can't not sit courtside.

It ruins it.

Like the other day, I was offered like third row, like the dream, And I'm just like, I don't know if I can stomach it. But no, sitting, dude, sitting courtside and my seat was, it was like warriors bench.
And then like 12th man, like most space. And then me, like, you know what I mean? It was like, right.
And like, that was the three, one comeback LeBron blocking, like blocking a good dollar. Like I was in the building for that game.
You're speaking to my heart. And like it was really intense.
It was an awesome. But honestly, as great as that game was, not the best sporting event I've ever been to.
I was at Kobe's last game where he scored 60 points. Holy shit.
Oh, hell, yeah. I was like in Nebraska the morning of the game and spontaneously I was like, we gotta go.
And I like brought two of my friends. Had you met Kobe? Not courtside to that game.
Yeah, well. Spent $10,000 of my own money and got like real middle of the pack seats.
But dude, Kobe scored 60. That's electric.
Every shot he hit in the fourth was insane. They were like down 10.
It wasn't like a meaningless 60. It was really a crucial 60.

It was crazy.

It was nuts.

It was awesome.

Is Kobe the most iconic Philadelphia native sports figure?

Native.

Well, I feel, yeah.

How can he be more iconic than Kobe?

Yeah.

Frasier?

Wasn't he from?

Was he from?

Yeah.

I think he was.

Rocky, the fictional character.

So we argue about this all the time. Let's start this.
He hates that a fictional character is like the focal point of the city. I don't hate it.
I don't hate it. You have said you.
I've ran up and down the museum steps. Have you? No, you haven't.
I don't know if I, yeah, I have not. I'm more into it than he is, to be honest.
I don't really run up and down steps. That's not my thing.
I don't blame you. I hate all the cardio.
I'm not like the biggest rocky guy okay like i wish rocky

was a real man we just i mean you just saw us like schwarzenegger leave this thing yeah that

was you should have told him like i didn't even feel comfortable even approaching i let him walk

right by uh honestly you know iverson's not from philly but you know iverson like totally like

there are a few people who shape like i'm 13 years old alan Allen Iverson's in the NBA finals. He's putting out rap albums.
I really think he really impacted what I define cool as. Yeah, sure.
100%. Absolutely.
We just had Saquon on, and he talked about how tough it is playing in front of Eagles fans as an opposing player. What do you think makes Philly fans so different? Well, there's certainly an aggression.
There's certainly an aggression level. Look, I love Philly, being from Philly, Philadelphia sports fans.
There are definitely times where I'm like, that's too much. Like when I'm going to a game with my uncle, who's a Patriots fan and he's like wearing a patriots hat and they're like fuck you fucking pussy i'm just like it's just unnecessary uh but i don't know i do love it i do love it deep down i love i agree i wish i didn't agree i love it like i i love there's something it's like there's like an anger um and i got adopted into it for 13 years and I fucking loved every second of it.
Yeah, I mean, they care. What do you think that anger comes from? Just from the generational? I think it's a blue collar town.
I think that there's merit to it being like the understudy of New York City. And like, you know, it's like kind of like just this blue collar, like hardworking, you know, you're going to get what you get if you work hard for it type of thing.
And I think it's also been like this way forever that it's like exponentially become its own folklore. Sure.
Like now it's a thing. Like if you're not like that, you're not a great.
If you're not, you're like a pussy. Yeah, exactly.
But I do. There's a higher level of care and there's a higher level of knowledge.
Now, there are some just completely ignorant takes. Of course.
But there is a higher level of baseline knowledge in Philadelphia. But at times, those are the best days.
I think that, unfortunately, those higher bad takes are the ones that get all the notoriety. In general, though, the average fan is just incredible.
They're locked in. They're locked in.
I know so much about sports and it's because I'm from Philly. Yeah.
Well, you threw out the first pitch at the Phillies game last season. Jason just did opening day this year.
Not opening. Charlie Manuel did opening day.
He texted me advice. He said, Jason, I'm 80 years old.
I had a stroke, and I threw a strike today. And I was like, oh, all right.
No pressure. He must have seen my opening day pitch in Cleveland last year where I fucking

spiked it he spiked it he tried to

throw it as hard as he could I didn't practice

you didn't throw it or I threw

it for sure it was me and Fletch though so

it wasn't over the plate yeah we

shared the double arm that's right yeah

so

wait how did your throw go I didn't see it

it was good I mean it was caught

so for me that's a win

no no hop I threw an 0-2

slider have you seen mine no

Thank you. Wait, how did your throw go? I didn't see it.
It was good. I mean, it was caught.
So for me, that's a win. No, no hop.
I threw an O2 slider. Have you seen mine? No.
Mine, mine. Backdoor? It's a really, it's.
Did it go off the. It was exactly where I wanted it to be.
It was totally where I wanted it to be. I threw an O2 away slider.
Jamie Moyer is probably like 45 miles an hour. That thing really slid.
It really took its time. It's one of those that you're trying to hit the dirt so that you can get in the chase.
Yeah, I'm not gonna throw right down the pipe. Yeah, right.
I just wanted to show, because I just really wanted to showcase my, just the movement. The movement.
Dude, that high leg kick right there, that is a- It's a really good point. There's audio too, if you want to finish audio.
I go, ah! You gotta get it out there? Yeah, I didn't think I would make any audio. To get 45 miles per hour? It was further.
It was further away than you think. It is much further than you think.
I know. And it's hard to really get good grip when you have tennis shoes on, on that.
I'm making excuses. On that rubber.
Yeah. I didn't have the grip issue, but his foot definitely slipped.
I think it's because he wears the fancier shoes that don't have, they're not built for function. I wore hoop and shoes out there.
Next time, I'll make the right decision. What's your all-time favorite Philly sports moment? And you can't say Super Bowl 52 because you just said it and I have to ask you a question.
That's fine because it's actually not. I mean, that is the best.
It probably is, but it's... It's fine.
The answer before that that I've said my whole life is Iverson stepping over to Ron Liu, game one of the NBA finals. Yeah, it was legendary.
Like the Lakers had not lost the whole playoff thing. There were 12-0 leading up to that.
Real David versus Goliath matchup, overtime. I felt like I was staying up late to watch it.
Like, you know what I mean? And it was just, you really believed that they were gonna win that series in that moment. They then lost four straight.
Yeah, I didn't. Yeah.
I was watching it like, this might be the only game they won. Oh, okay.
I really, I'm a tumbo. It's the diesel.
Eric Snow got hurt. Mutombo, it was.
Eric Snow, Northeast Ohio guy, baby. Shout out to Ken McKinley.
I just got to give shout outs to Cleveland guys at all times. At all times.
Yeah. I don't know how.
I don't play. That's how I i feel the same way about philly whenever i see like an actor who's from philly will smith will smith is a great philadelphian yeah he reps it yeah he reps it what's philly yeah all time raised one of the best all-time tv shows growing up yeah let alone music and it's definitely one of maybe jiggy with it all the fuck it might be my favorite tv show ever the fresh prince it really might be i'm with you apart i was definitely fresh prince kid oh my gosh it's like just talking the uh line from uh oh yeah yeah the intro yeah he was like oh yeah we actually had to pay money for that even though it wasn't like in rhythm or melody or anything no that's weird yeah you had to like pay money to like use that i think that's my memory of it well it sounds like will did it right yeah We got a discount if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, you had to pay money to use that, I think. That's my memory of it.
Well, it sounds like Will did it right. Yeah.
We got a discount. We got a discount if I'm not saying it.
Oh, nice. The old Philly discount.
Back in 2017, a few Eagles players posted a video of themselves dancing to save that money. In the locker room.
And they extended an invite to you to come to practice. Which I did not take.
Yeah. I wish I did.
To see these guys in the locker room, like, posting a selfie video where there's like eight players, like, singing along to my rap song. Yeah.
Just an unbelievable experience. Yeah, it was you and Dreams and Nightmares.
Those were the two songs. Crazy.
Legendary. So legendary.
And then you guys went on. I mean, your speech.
Your speech is also up there with Iverson stepover don't put me up there with ai i honestly the joy that i got watching that speech it's up there is it's and it was for it was so long like it was so so much joy the length of the joy there's no way he remembered no well that's i still don't know how i remembered everything be honest with you. Yeah, I don't know either.
Drinking all the way through. Were you very drunk? I feel like I...
You didn't seem that drunk. Somehow, I feel like I was possessed at some point that day.
You could see it in his eyes. When you were around him enough, you could see it in his eyes.
Like, yeah, that guy's gone. When I said fourth and down instead of fourth down.
No, but I think, did you know you were going to do that? I did. I knew I was going to do that.
I knew I wanted to do it. Dude, that was so good.
Oh, I knew all of it. I knew I wanted to do it like three days before it.
And I went to one of the guys in the PR department. And I'm like, hey, are we going to get a chance to talk?

And I wasn't at that time one of the focal guys.

It was surprising.

I feel like it made that happen.

Yeah.

I don't know that I would have gotten that if I wouldn't have went up and asked.

Just in hindsight.

That's nice administrative work.

Behind the scenes.

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hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, administrative work uh that's right but i told them like i think i got i think i wanted to say something and they're like okay well we don't know we'll tell you and they told me a couple of days later like hey yeah you're gonna get a chance to talk and they like gave everybody a chance to talk there's a lot of people that went on spoke but um i would like be awake till 3 4 a.m not sleeping like going in my head like different narratives of like first of all myself getting to the Super Bowl and winning it and how crazy that was and then like how like how many things you overcome and then you start thinking about everything your teammates did like Nick Foles was just like a backup quarterback comes out of here wins the Super Bowl like all these things are going through your head you're going teammate after teammate after coach after coach I mean Howie Rosen was in a different part of the building and it's like all these things are building up and you see the correlation completely with the city of philadelphia and how they had been so close multiple times winning this year and had to overcome so much to get there so i think that's why i remembered it because it was like it was so vividly entrenched of my own story combined my teammates combined with the with the city. It was perfect.
It really felt like you were from Philadelphia. But I think where you're from is probably very similar.
We were just talking about this the other day. I think they share similarities.
But Philly, obviously, being kind of more East Coast, they got a little bit more of the aggressive nature, especially in the sports world. But Cleveland fans, I mean, it is blue is blue collar in sports town as it gets to yeah and that's i mean it helped drive our yeah there are there are like i don't know that any man has made me cry in the last like five years more than you like i can think of three off the top of my head that speech your documentary your retirement speech your retirement speech.
Off the top of my head, there's probably more that I was not thinking of. I've cried watching, I cry when you guys start getting on your podcast, like when you start.
It makes me cry instantly. That's four.
Have you ever seen more men cry publicly than us? No. We're the only fucking guys out here trying to.
It is on that. It's a lot of crying.
After we won the Super Bowl, you posted a screenshot of a text from my man, Lane Johnson. Yeah.
We'll show that there. Yeah, did you text anybody else? Do you know anybody else on the team? How did you know Lane? I guess let's start there.
Evan Mathis. You know Evan? Yeah.
Nice. But no is a very loose term.
This is like your Twitter DM. That's good enough.
We'll count that. Even Lane, I haven't really gotten to spend any time with him the way I want to.
But I don't know who it is. It's probably me or it could be them.
But someone reaches out to the other and the other one's excited. And then we just talk.
It's really not that surprising. Like I say, it's cool to be at a party and meet, I I don't know I haven't even met him a bad bunny or something but like there's nothing cooler than like for me having like a direct line into Daryl Morey the GM of the 76ers and be like What are we thinking? You know? like so like that type of just having being able to text a guy like the day of the Super Bowl or whatever and like and Like he responds I'm just like i feel like i'm just the true kid in me comes out thanks to our sponsor audible hey let audible expand your life by listening that's right explore over 1 million audiobooks and exclusive audible originals that'll inspire and motivate you all in one easy app whether you're breaking free from old patterns or building better ones, Audible puts wisdom in your ears.
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Before we get off of the Philly sports, what is your take on the Sixers? In this last decade of process. Yeah.
Let's talk about the process. First off, I still trust the process.
I love this. That's what makes you a Philly sports fan.
You will not give up on the process. I'm not giving up on the process.
I think, look, he's coming back and it's good. It's good that he was out.
Now he's going to be like ramping up. Yeah.
And our other guys really got to like just play more. I don't know.
It might not be good that he was out. Time will tell.
Time will tell. Time will tell.
The process, when it happened, I was like, I love Drew Holiday. So I was bummed to lose Drew Holiday.
That was the first domino of the process to fall, was New Orleans' DeWelfare Drew. You said you're a good piece, man.
But I was for it. I thought it was the right thing to do.
I thought it was innovative. I love Moneyball and I love weird ways of thinking about sports and I don't think there's anything wrong with being- Big in analytics, huh? Yeah, exactly.
What's wrong with being logical and being like, why do I want to try as hard as I can to be the eighth seed every year?

Let's just suck for four years and be able to draft Joel Embiid.

I think there are a few just flagrant mistakes along the way

that are just unbearable.

Which ones are you thinking of?

To me, the biggest mistake is trading essentially Jason Tatum and a first-round pick for Markel Fultz. Oh, okay.
That's going to sting you forever. Markel Fultz is a good player.
I have trouble even disrespecting. When I was a kid, I would talk shit about athletes, but becoming, I guess, a celebrity, I now have a different perspective on the pressures that you guys deal with, and I'd like to talk about this for a second sure let's talk about it i think it's so crazy like i the pressure i feel just like putting out like a movie or something or a tv show and like i'm in control of like the edit i'm like in so much control of like exactly what the finished you guys are just out there like having live moments that all you can do is like be in the moment and then like if you fail like you're called like weak-hearted and like and like that's so normalized like it's very like it's not even like considered that offensive for you to be in a stadium and be like fuck you you pussy like you have no heart unless you show no heart and then yeah yeah told that unless you got alligator arms yeah i mean i think so like i guess so what you, I think so, like, I guess to what you just said.
Do you know what I'm saying? I feel like it's a dehumanization of athletes. I think that's fair.
I think that's true, but I think at the end of the day, a lot of the times what you do on the court, like, even if you're bad, you can still, like, stop that from being said. Narrative, yeah.
You can, like, if you can't catch a ball,'re gonna get people say you suck but they're not gonna call you soft and like attack you yeah you know there are some outlandish things and I think you know people say all sorts of things when they're mad but the overall narrative at the end of the day once you're done playing like once the emotionality of like the moment of the game is done and this is why i try and remind like players because players get wrapped up in what's being said now and it's like dude take out the equation what's being said now this is just the moment this is what the fans are gonna say in the moment because they're pissed yeah like just go out there and play your balls off and do the best you can and show you that you care and like if you don't win they're still gonna probably hate you and think that you sucked but they'll at least respect you yeah i really do believe that in the at the end of the day the guys that do it the right way they're idolized for a reason because you see the the competitiveness you see the heart you see the passion yeah and then in those moments you see and be able to persevere or come out on top. And it's like, that's the beauty of fucking sports.
There's a winner and loser in it. And that's why everybody watches that.
Fans do cross the line. There's no question.
And to play devil's advocate, not that he needs one, I think you boys are exceptional people, athletes, and you think at a higher level, and you have a lot of self-awareness and confidence and like imagine being like a high first round pick and just being like kind of a weird insecure guy no and i think sometimes it's it's it's a crutch to be drafted high because the expectation that's layered on you is thick right from the get-go yeah maybe especially if you aren't ready for that real thick like super thick reality we weren't there it's a heavy but back back to the the marco fultz yeah you just said right i would hope that he would if he did hear that it would be it's not like it's an attack on necessarily when you're thinking like he's miles back he's he's having a good yeah i wanted them to draft marco fultz yeah i wasn't like what are you doing you got to get tatum i was in retrospect and retrospect it's just that would have changed that that is what the process was trying to do was get you Jason Tatum and Joel Embiid and we just never quite got that other guy and when you look at it in retrospect it's just like this is what it was it's not like I'm trying to crap on him the reality was it didn't work out the way the plan was and there's reasons why guys don't pan out in certain places and it's not always like that guy isn't a good player. There's fits, there's schemes, there's all sorts of reasons why things don't pan out.
And now with the Sixers, we're in a tough, it's like they gambled with the Harden thing. I think they were right to move on.
I think Harden is great, but I don't think that is a good fit. It didn't fit well.
I don't even think that is a good fit of athlete and city, to be quite honest. I think that would have just been a ticking time bomb.
Joel Embiid, when he's playing and he's playing, he's never... The whole process, every single year in the playoffs, he's hurt.
He gets hurt like a week before, he gets his face broken, or he like... It's like the timing, it's truly been...
i'm not it's been five straight years chris paul had that kind of thing along too some guys just unless in sports you have to be every bit as fortunate in terms of staying healthy that you do to have that success man and we've been unlucky in that regard that's why i'm just like look there's only like two weeks left of the regular season and beat it has been hurt all year sure but maybe maybe he's going to be back in two weeks is the perfect amount of time to ramp up get him right back to where he is and maybe he got the injury out of the way this year and we're going to get a healthy and beat for the first time and i'm curious what that can equate to because i think he really is the stud he's unreal he's on he's like unguardable the most unguardable player i watched iverson and joel is just a different level of unguardable. Dude, it's the way he plays is great.
Iverson was like, I love Iverson. I'm the biggest Iverson fan.
He wasn't the most efficient player in the world. Like he had to shoot a lot and bead.
I mean, just look at the stats. I love Iverson.
And bead is just like so efficient. So like, and the way he does it is remarkable.
Just the, the eye test of it all is like crazy. Yeah.
All right. Same with Iverson.
The eye test, of course. And I love, I love Allen Iverson.
Did you have Iverson's growing up? Yeah. Did you have the questions? Yeah.
The answers? I never met Iverson either. It's, I was another celebrity basketball game.
I rebounded and passed him the ball and he just accepted the ball. I just rebounded.
Facilitating. He acted like one so i don't blame him we're gonna get to our segment we gotta ask but you don't have to answer all right uh feel no pressure first question our fans uh have asked us to sign actual babies travis actually signed uh his first one chrome parsons so it's champi Haley let me sign that chrome dome of his yeah

what's the weirdest thing

sign actually signed his first one. Chrome Parsons.
So it's a champion.

Haley let me sign that Chrome down with his.

What's the weirdest thing someone has asked you to sign?

I mean, I signed a man's dick.

No way.

I did.

I signed a man's dick one time.

So when you said in the show, like,

come by after the show. That's one of those based on the truth.
I was like, dude, I basically, you know, I was like, back then I was like, you know, when I was trying to sell the tickets, I was like, whatever, I forget what studio, but I was like, you know, Sacramento, like still a few tickets left, meet and greet, like I might sign someone's dick tonight. Like blah, I said something funny like that.
And so people were asking, the guy eventually comes to the front and he goes like yo ld like you you for real about like signing dick and i just like like i just wanted to see if this was actually about to happen so i said i said if you unravel your dick and stretch it and place it on the table i will sign that i will sign it with no hesitation zero hesitation zero hesitation there's probably kids in the like i don't know who was there's probably like an all-ages show he unraveled his dick his like medium-sized dick medium his medium size i remember being very like it wasn't that big wasn't that small i was like very medium it was normal like i didn't't feel annoyed by it. Or it was easy.
I could find the place to sign easily. And I signed this man's dick.
Could feed him dick. Yeah.
Can't call his bluff, baby. Yeah.
That's definitely- Can't call his bluff. That's weirder than a baby.
I think I'm the only rapper probably to ever sign a dick. Guaranteed.
Guaranteed. Well, let's not say that.
It's positive. You never know.
You never know. When you were on TNF, the shop, there's a night football, this past season, you said if you were a woman, you'd date Travis.
Wait, what? This was said? I don't know if you saw that. I didn't see this.
I'm just now. It's true.
Dude, what? You said this? I'm honored. Yeah, so basically What was your logic? What was your analytics to this? I'm going to suck your logic what was your like i we were it was uh very early with you and taylor and they were like i think it was the i don't know if they were talking about how they like cut to her just they were talking about just the idea of you and her okay and i was just like i totally get it i was like i was like if i were a woman he's exactly who i would go i was's no, first off, he's the best of all time at his position.
One, he's like seemingly the nicest, sweetest, like kind of funniest, like most like classically cool guy in high school vibe. And I just thought that, you know, when you danced, it really took my, it took the way he danced.
I forget. I DM'd you immediately.
I was like, this is crazy. crazy like when you did whenever i saw you do the stanky leg for the first time yeah i was like it's unreasonable to be this talented you've been working on that stanky leg for years baby how can you dance so well but you can't come close to doing time out i can't dance well did you not see my little uzi verse i saw it yeah yeah i'm like dead in the middle.
Thank you, Drew. If you let me control the edit, I will look like you because I catch pockets and moments of incredible grace.
But if you're just like leaving the camera running for the whole time, I'm really right in the middle. Jason's got all the musical playing talents.
I was seated playing my saxophone. Travis was up dancing.
That must have been wise. Playing the trumpet is what I was doing.

Yeah.

All right now.

Well, I'm honored.

That's true, dude.

Who is your...

You fucking deserve it.

Who's on your Mount Rushmore of rappers turn actors?

Well, I'm really thinking about it on the spot.

Will Smith, Ice Cube.

Ooh. Infiltrate the dealer.
Can we put Eminem in there? With 8 Mile? For sure. 8 Mile? 100%.
I just think he quarterbacked a classic movie. Let's give him the credit.
Yeah, fair enough. I feel like I'm probably missing someone incredible.
First off, I think Tupac would have been the goat at this. Yeah.
I think he would have been the best at all time at doing both. Snoop has obviously straddled both.
Am I forgetting anybody? There's Ice-T, but I don't have that. I could throw some out there for you.
Please. 50 Cent, LL Cool J.
LL. LL.
Let's give LL his flowers. Let's go LL.
I love it. LL, like, you know.
He was going to say Marky Mark. You could.
Yeah. He really just dipped in and out.
Yeah, he wasn't like a mainstream. But he was cool.
He looked cool. Marky Mark in a funky bunch, baby.
He was hot. Are you sick of being on interview shows and asking to freestyle? Well, I always instantly say no.
Yeah. So I'm not sick of it, but anytime, it's shocking how often people think, like, I'm just doing like an, yeah, exactly.
Like, I was like, I did this thing for Kevin Hart. He just like won the Mark Twain Award for comedy, which is like winning like the Oscar for like being a comedian.
Shout out to Kev. Yeah.
Shout out Kevin Hart, the Philly guy. You know, I'm doing the red carpet and I'm being interviewed by NPR, CNN, it's such a legitimate event.
And I'm doing the best I can. And they're like, Little Dicky, as a rapper, if you had to bust out a few bars about Kevin, what would they be? And I was just like, absolutely not.
That's not how this works. This is his day and I am not going to ruin this.
No, I like. Especially to like pinpoint it down to a specific subject.
It's a weird thing. Like I like became like a famous rapper, like without ever, like having ever performed in front of anybody.
Like I was like embarrassed to do karaoke. You know what I mean? Like I'm not the kind of guy who like feels feels like normal just like being like just busting out into a rap spontaneously yeah that being said i do think i can be one of the best rappers ever so it's a weird place i mean i have to put in a lot more work to be one of the best rappers but i feel like i have the talent to be one of the best rappers alive i am one of the best rappers alive present day i love that fuck yeah i'm making a lot of even right now, present day.
I'm in the studio every day and I really feel very strongly about what I just said. But at the same time, look at how I talk, look at how we're communicating.
I just think it'd be weird if I was like, you know, I'm not even gonna do it. Don't do it.
Don't do it. The thing that I'm the most proud of as a rapper for sure is like going on these like iconic radio shows like Sway.
Because I feel like it is a huge part of the culture and it is like back to the wall and I am a champion and a hero like that in my mind and it was the most nervous I've ever been like going on Sway and like having to do like be impressive like I'm sure like a comedy funny like white rapper like they're they'd be thrilled if the guy like failed and like made a fool of himself so I like him so like if were to show Jay-Z any footage of my rap career, I wouldn't show him any of my hit songs. I would show him when I went on Sway and I rapped.
And like, cause I feel like that is a true representative of my talent musically. All right.
I love it, man. Love that.
Love that. Who's the best athlete rapper of all time? Dame Lillard.
All right. Instant.
Yeah. Jimmy Instant.

He's got crazy bars.

I listen to Damian Lillard

and I'm like,

I love listening to this music.

Yeah.

Like the other artists,

the rappers,

you know,

athletes,

I'm like,

that's cool that he did that.

Yeah.

And sometimes I really do like it.

But Dame Lillard is just

on a different level.

I respect it.

Yeah.

We've got a lot of new fans.

Not sure if you've heard of them. They're called Swifties.
Yeah. I've heard all of them.
For those that don't. How are you guys doing with all this? Listen, it's not changed that much for me.
I'm having a blast in life, baby. Yeah.
Just flying high. As you should.
Enjoying it all. Bringing new lives to the football world.
Yeah. I think it's the best thing ever.
Opening the football world up to new things as well. I love it.
Honestly, my take on it, not that you wanna spend time talking about it for the 5,000th time, but I just think there's something that makes everyone feel like the world is kind of like high school, where your most popular pop star, beloved musician, somehow met your most popular beloved like athlete and they actually fell in love and like it's just real and i don't know it just i think i think it's anyone who like hates on it is like a bitter loser because but i think a lot of people who would maybe expect to hate on it actually love it and they acknowledge they love it because it's just's just so, there's something so American about it or something. I appreciate that.
I hate to say American, but there's something like just classic about it. I don't know how I did it because she wasn't into sports.
So I don't know how the fuck I did it. Well, you did it because you caught her out on the multimedia platform.
No, exactly how I did it. Yeah, what song would you, of all your songs, recommend to the Swifties that haven't listened to you before? What is your number one song that you ask people to listen to or you would want somebody to listen to of your catalog of music? Well, I guess my instinct is to go to the poppiest song I make.
However, I'm still the same man that I always would be no matter if it's Swiftie or Jay-Z. So I would direct the Swifties to my Sway freestyles.
Yes! To see just a guy getting after it, like just on a rap level. I have other pop hits that you might, there's a song that, I'm gonna stick with what I'm saying.
I'm not gonna mention. Yeah, I like this.
I'm not gonna mention, but I do have a few like breakup like emotionally love songs that maybe you'd find endearing, I don't know. But I also rap aggressively.
Love it, love it. So your rap names, of course, Little Dicky.
Can you help us give some rap names to me and Jason? So you guys have no starting points, I'm just- I mean, just based off of maybe career like't know i guess career like where does this where does a rap name like originate in like what is this maybe for jason is it like the porn star names where you like would do like your your street and like your your cat or something like that we can't do that because then we'd have the same we'd be cold flash coleridge is there be our fucking that's the best one i ever heard of that uh for me it it was like, you know, there's a lot of Lil. So I was like, let's start with Lil.
Sure. And I just knew I wanted to make like, probably like a joke that was self-deprecating about being like not cool.
Like Young Man was actually my backup rap name. I don't know if either one of you wants to claim that.
Gosh, that's good too. That's great.
I thought about it and to this day, I wonder would I have succeeded if I was Young Man? It's the raps. It's the raps for sure.
Okay, cool. The problem with Young Man, the name comes with it.
The problem with Young is that eventually you're not young and then it's like- It doesn't seem to matter. Like Young Jeezy is still getting on a red carpet.
Actually, I think he might be Jeezy. He might actually be Jeezy he might actually be Jeezy he might have taken the young away I don't know rap names really random thoughts are going like stick shift is coming through my head I don't know why stick shift is so good that fits like for you like stick shift but that's dumb I never a rapper name anything like that, stick shift.
But it's cool. Yeah, but that's how you have a cool name.
I like the uniqueness of it. You'd have to be something a little cool.
I feel like smooth. Maybe like smooth, like S-M-O-O-V-E.
Smooth. Like smooth trav.
Yeah. Smooth, yeah.
Smooth trav. Smooth trav.
Or trav smooth. Trav smooth.
107.9. The wave.
smooth the wave you guys ever listen to that radio show i think that was exclusively in cleveland yeah it was everywhere 107 fm zero bells for me i'll think on it though i think we could probably beat both of those smooth smooth might even be better than smooth trav is nobody named like i don't't know What about Too Rich? I always thought that Too Rich is a good rap name You'd never be Too Rich baby Come on now You are Smooth I mean I'm happy that you went there immediately because Trav is like Game Smooth He was so smooth Yeah I appreciate this guy Silk Yeah And you are about as St stuff stock metal jerky yeah all right man i think that does it dude yeah dave guys thank you man thank you thank you thank you for blessing the show this has been so fun you guys don't understand how much this is a dream come true to be like let me just tell you. Favorite eagle ever.
No way. Yeah, it was B-Doc.
I concur. Come on.
I concur. It was B-Doc.
I'll give you my quick eagle Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah.
Let's hear it. And this is personal.
I'm not going to go Chuck Bidneric, even though he probably would be in it. No, I probably wouldn't because Jason takes a spot.
It's you, Brian Westbrook b west i mean yeah second in all-purpose yards and i just think the way he's just throw the guy the ball in the talk about likable yeah just a likable game yes i feel like it dawkins yeah all football and for me fourth i'm going donovan mcnab let me tell you something about mabb. Very controversial.
Well, let me say, I would much rather, I don't know if you agree, but as a fan, I would rather be competitive for 10 years and never win than suck and win one year. And McNabb brought an era of sustained, I would say greatness, but if you want to say goodness, fine.
All I know is that every single year we were in the last three weeks of the season and I always believed. And he was a fucking Pro Bowl stud.
Yeah, he was. And I thought he was cool.
I mean, I can play some ball now. And he seemed funny and cool and I thought he got an unfair rep in Philadelphia and I'm a big McNabb guy.
Yeah. All right.
I respect it. I respect that.
I mean, I don't know. Would you rather take one Super Bowl and not making the playoffs ever again? Give me that motherfucking Super Bowl.
Give me that fucking Super Bowl. Over like how many, they went to like what, like four or five NFC championship games or something like that? They went to three straight.
Or two Super Bowls. I'd rather not make the playoffs.
They went to one Super super bowl one super bowl yeah losing in the playoffs in the super bowl is the fucking worst feeling in the world fuck that i can't imagine i can't i was so mad when you when you when you beat the eagles on that bullshit fucking non-call gosh it was so electric i've never had my hair never looked the way it did after that. It was like I had been electrocuted.
That was so stressful. We don't got to bring up bad memories, man.
We keep this thing going. It's a good memory for you.
It's a good memory. The best rapper in the fucking game.
The best rapper. You don't have to say that.
I am saying that. You're right.
He doesn't have to say that. Because I believe it.
Thank you. OG.
Thank you for blessing the show. Guys, thank you for having me.
Thank you. You already know.
I love you both. All righty.
That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Dave for joining the show.
Do I stand? You can. You can just hang.
You can do whatever you want. Yeah, fine.
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For Patty, that friend was Desiree. Until one day...
I texted her and she was not getting the text. So I went to Instagram.
She has no Instagram anymore.

And Facebook, no Facebook anymore.

Desiree was gone.

And there was one person who knew the answer.

I am a spiritual person, a magical person, a witch.

A gorgeous Brazilian influencer called Cat Torres.

But who was hiding a secret?

From Wondery, based on my smash hit podcast from Brazil,

comes a new series, Don't Cross Cat,

about a search that led me to a mystery in a Texas suburb. I'm calling to check on the two missing Brazilian girls.

Maybe get some undercover crew there.

The family are freaking out. They are lost.

I'm Chico Felitti.

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