Lil Dicky on What’s Next After ‘Dave,’ His Philly Fandom and The Weirdest Thing He’s Signed | Ep 85

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Speaker 1 Thank you so much for hopping on the Christmas album last year. Hell yeah.

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Speaker 5 I was so surprised as an Eagles fan to receive an email signed Connor Barwin.

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Speaker 1 Jason, let the people people know what's coming up. We got another episode lined up for you guys.

Speaker 1 We're about to be joined very shortly by one and only rapper, comedian, actor, triple threatened Lil Dicky to talk about his rise of stardom and his lifelong Philadelphia fandom, as well as his hit show Dave and what it's like working with Brad Pitt.

Speaker 1 But first.

Speaker 1 All right, our guest today is the multi-platinum rapper and extremely talented actor out of Shelton Ham High School. You know him from his viral hits like Freaky Friday and save that money.

Speaker 1 Save it. He's the executive producer and star of Dave on FXX.
In his own words, his dick is made of balls of skin, I think. But he's built an entire TV show around the subject.

Speaker 1 But most importantly, he's a massive Philadelphia sports fan

Speaker 1 and was featured on the Dreidel song on our last Christmas album, the Eagles Christmas album, making his new heights debut. Please welcome.
It's the one and only Lil Dickie Maybe.

Speaker 1 Is this a common thing that people do or no? I think so.

Speaker 5 Now it is. Guys, it is such an honor to be here, truthfully.

Speaker 1 Dude, it is an honor to have you. We were so fired up when we found out you were coming on.
And yeah, it's long time overdue. Long time overdue.

Speaker 5 I'm so thrilled to meet new men. Like, I just really, I've never admired two men from afar more.
So it's like, it feels now.

Speaker 5 I feel less weird loving you guys so much, having never been in the same room as you.

Speaker 1 Just know it's reciprocated. Oh, yeah.
Thank you. Ever since

Speaker 1 once I saw you, I was like, that's my longest brother. That's my brother.

Speaker 5 I felt that way ever since I saw footage of you speaking, man.

Speaker 1 I really.

Speaker 5 What a dancer.

Speaker 1 It's incredible. He's so talented.
Yeah. He is.
Both of you.

Speaker 1 First question. As serious journalists,

Speaker 1 which we are not, and I just read whatever the fuck's on this prompter. We want to get this right.
Do you want to be called on this podcast Little Dickie L D Dave Young Dick? Mr. Left Word

Speaker 1 Sloppy Penis. Sloping, sloping, sloping.

Speaker 1 I can't read.

Speaker 5 I put you in a bad position. White Jesus.

Speaker 1 The urologist, which might be my favorite.

Speaker 1 Cheese dick.

Speaker 1 That might be the one right there. Yeah, let's go with the cheese to my friend's cheese dick.
I'm sticking with the urologist if you're going to let me.

Speaker 5 The urologist is cool. I like that it has like the in front of it.

Speaker 5 But Dave also works really well.

Speaker 1 Dave's cool.

Speaker 5 My preference. But I love that.

Speaker 1 Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 But just mentioned that you were on the Eagles Christmas album last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what was your initial reaction, I guess, when Connor emailed you to come on the album?

Speaker 5 First off, you got to realize I'm like a true Eagles fan. So to just receive an email, like an administrative email signed Connor Barwin.

Speaker 1 I was like, whoa. And I felt really cool just receiving that email.

Speaker 5 That's how much I, the best part of me, like being a successful entertainer, I always say, is truly that I get to like actually like meet and have relationships with these professional athletes.

Speaker 5 There's nothing that like feels better to me in life than like being at like a nightclub and like Mbede's arm is around you. That's nuts.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Or getting an email and then a straight email from Skyr Barwick.

Speaker 5 And that fell into that same bucket.

Speaker 5 And I got that. I got the email.
And first off, you know, I see everything you guys do. And I saw it, like, when you

Speaker 5 watching Jordan even sing like that voice. Like, it was just like I was right there with you guys, watching the whole thing unfold.
And I was just so honored to even be reached out to.

Speaker 5 And I was like, what Christmas song are they going to want to?

Speaker 5 And then it was the hot, it was the the dreidel song and then I heard it and I was like this is so good and I didn't even want to like do too much I really barely did anything on it I just introduced it and like really sang a few background vocals but we loved every second of it you guys had it covered and a true honor to to be I like I literally I wrote down sometimes like I write down cool things that I can say as a rapper in the future yeah and I wrote down that I was on a song with you no way so that might come in a rap later

Speaker 1 we needed

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 What did you think of Howie Roseman? Do you think he has a future in the music industry?

Speaker 1 Well, before we get to the

Speaker 1 very professional interview about to do with Lil Dickie, we're going to start with a little, as we always do, new news. New news.

Speaker 1 That's right. Do you have any news? You want to hit a new news? In your own style? New news.

Speaker 1 That was gangster. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Right off the bat. That was good.
Dave, Dave, latest news. We're both huge fans of Dave, obviously.
It was recently announced that you're taking an extended hiatus from the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you've also just released your new album, Penith, which is

Speaker 1 a soundtrack from Dave. That's right.

Speaker 1 Can you share what you're doing next?

Speaker 5 Yeah. You know, I obviously love the show.
It's a dream to make that show. Cool, man.
Thank you. And I'm thrilled that you guys even watch it.

Speaker 5 But no, just like, there's so many things I want to do, just whether it's making music, writing movies, you know, developing other shows that like when I'm making the show every season, the amount of work that a season takes is truly, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 I didn't even expect it. I'm a hard-working.

Speaker 1 You're hands-on too. I am hands-on.

Speaker 5 I think it's because I'm so hands-on that it causes all the work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure, I'm sure. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's like, cause, you know, in the writer, I'm in the writer's room and then I'm like in every scene and then I'm like the guy editing it.

Speaker 1 You're writing, producing, directing, editing. Yeah.
Yeah. That's a lot of happy.
The whole shebang.

Speaker 5 The whole shebang, and then, which is a thrill. I like, I'd much rather be in control and like, you know, being, doing things that I'm passionate.

Speaker 5 But of course, like, there are just, I don't want to just do the same thing over and over again every year. There's just other things I want to do.

Speaker 5 So I'm excited about all these different ventures. I'm finally getting the time to focus on that I wouldn't have had in season.

Speaker 1 What brings you more joy? Writing a great song or

Speaker 5 a great scene?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I'd say right now they hold similar levels of joy, which is a lame answer. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 It's not. It is not lame.
And I will fucking fucking fight anybody that says lame.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, right now, you know, I think when it comes to, like, I think I'm more naturally good at like writing scripts and TV and film than I am as a, like, I really feel like rap was like, I 10,000 houred my way into like getting to where I feel like I am.

Speaker 5 And then even now, it's more of a correct. Like when I write a scene now,

Speaker 5 it's pretty much always good. When I write a song, I wouldn't say that's the case.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Okay, I got you.

Speaker 5 But that honestly makes it me even happier when I make a great song because I value trial and error.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's more kind of like

Speaker 5 songs are just like random

Speaker 5 throws of paint that like come out and like there's so many different factors that can contribute to this random outcome of like the way it makes you feel where scenes are more granular and you can really kind of dictate the outcome more.

Speaker 5 Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you, some of my, some of my favorite scenes are where, when you go into your songs. Sure.
Because those are fucking epic, dog. Yeah, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Let's talk a little bit more about the TV show, Dave, and just your TV career itself. Yeah.
Last season ended with an incredible episode where in a hostage situation with Brad Pitt.

Speaker 5 Man.

Speaker 1 How cool was it to get Brad Pitt on set?

Speaker 5 Coolest experience.

Speaker 1 How did that even come about? Nothing's cooler.

Speaker 1 Was it just like an administration email?

Speaker 5 Dude, it was a cold email.

Speaker 1 That's insane. I literally have never met him.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Brad for answering his email. Brad, fucking email.

Speaker 5 Better than me. First off.
Damn it. I love both of you, and we've known each other for like five minutes.
Brad Pitt is definitely the coolest guy I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 5 I've never met anybody in life.

Speaker 1 I take zero offense to that. Zero.
Zero.

Speaker 1 You never know. Like,

Speaker 5 he seems cool, but sometimes guys have personas that are really cool, and you meet them, and they're like shy or just not fun to hang out with. This guy was the man.
I believe it.

Speaker 5 And he was so nice to everybody on set. I met him, unfortunately, like the moment he walked on set, I was filming the scene where the stalker is like creating a cast mode of my lower half.

Speaker 5 So I literally have to meet Brad Pitt like fully naked, covered in like sludge, with like my dick outline like visible. And I have to like go and like worm out to like meet Brad Pitt.

Speaker 5 And like, because I didn't even, you know, he responded to my email with a truly iconic response, like metaphorically saying he would be there to the point where like I didn't know like if it was real or like a joke or what.

Speaker 5 And like even like then I asked his agents, is this real?

Speaker 5 they were like yes yes and that but even you have to see him show up to believe this is actually going to happen like brad pitt is going to like make like come on my tv show he hasn't done tv in like 30 years

Speaker 5 uh and it wasn't like a brief cameo where like i see him in the bar and say hey brad and he's like yo he's like you know he was there shooting four nights from like 8 p.m to 7 a.m

Speaker 5 like just giving me every single hour

Speaker 5 like you know i gave him every out to like you know the way you shoot a scene uh like if i was shooting a scene with you right now they would shoot your coverage over my shoulder and then they'd shoot my coverage over yours i got a man that looked just like brad from behind wearing the exact same clothing that brad would wear and i gave brad every out like you know you don't have to wait around at 3 a.m to shoot my coverage like he was in and he was like i would never go what did you

Speaker 1 do he was insulted at the question enough man yeah that was lovely tremendous person but truly like i've never

Speaker 5 felt like I made it more. Like Brad Pitt is the

Speaker 5 LeBron michael jordan effect

Speaker 5 yeah yeah and for him to like and like i'm sitting with him on set and i'm giving him like direction and he's respecting my opinion and believing in my vision there's nothing more gratifying as a filmmaker like ever i couldn't believe it i'm thrilled i'm so thankful i love you brad

Speaker 1 us too yeah we too yeah me too we second that well you've been joined by all sorts of incredible guests on the show brad pitt obviously then drake had his unbelievable appearance uh usher rachel mcadams yeah uh don cheadle Kevin Hart.

Speaker 1 The list just goes on and on.

Speaker 1 I mean, which one were you like most surprised? You could get them on the show or on set?

Speaker 1 Because that's it.

Speaker 5 Rachel McAdams.

Speaker 1 I was about to say that was the one that was the most shocking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know why. It just like, I don't, you don't see your dude like stuff like that, I feel like often.
Never. I don't think I've ever seen that, right?

Speaker 5 And she falls into that same category. Like when we grew up, like, who is like the leading woman in all the movies that like

Speaker 5 developed our thoughts of love? yeah it's truly rachel mcadams you know and for her to be a fan of the show come on again not like a scene in a bar saying hi she's a three-episode arc yeah

Speaker 5 i'd say rachel but like you know i mean there are certain things that i'm like man like i'm so happy i'm getting don cheadle to fart three times

Speaker 1 are you more starstruck by like a Philadelphia legend in the sports world or like an entertainer? Why are you looking over here? I I was just asking.

Speaker 5 If you're asking if I'm more starstruck when I saw him compared to like Usher, I was Usher.

Speaker 1 It's true. But I get it.
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 5 And you're also, you're a weird professional athlete to me where I find you so incredibly relatable. You know what I mean? In a way, like,

Speaker 5 I think I would be really starstruck by Alan Iverson.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? But like, there's something about you that I feel like I've been your best friend our whole life or something. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And And I've unlike I felt that way as like a younger guy watching you. And I think that's one of the reasons Philadelphia probably loves you so much is because you really feel like one of the people.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 It's not even a good thing.

Speaker 1 I don't even know why that idea is. Right.

Speaker 1 I can't get to it. He's just come off like unathletic and

Speaker 1 sloppy.

Speaker 1 Why, thank you. I've been trying to strive for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fans know that a lot of your show, Dave, is based around your actual life. How much of Dave is a reality and how much have you kind of like tweaked in terms of the fiction?

Speaker 1 It felt like season one for sure was. Yeah, that's where really.

Speaker 1 Well, how about this? I'll let you answer the question. Please.

Speaker 1 You guys really do relate. I'll tell you what, man.

Speaker 5 I've been known him for five minutes.

Speaker 1 Season one was definitely the most true to his soul.

Speaker 5 It's hard to quantify. Like, I'll say this, a lot is certainly really from my life, but a lot is like there are stories.

Speaker 5 You know, I have a whole writer's room of people who've lived similar lives or had their own experiences, and we like pull from their lives or we just make things up because sometimes the funniest thing to do is to make up Don Cheeto farting in a bathroom at the Mecca.

Speaker 5 I've never actually been to the Mecca. In a way, like my character on the show has actually surpassed me in real life as far as like achievement, which is kind of a bummer.

Speaker 5 But I think it's because I take so much time making the show that it's that, but regardless,

Speaker 5 I think that as time goes on, I like to experiment more. And like, I think I entered the show

Speaker 5 not even knowing the type of mark I wanted to make like as a TV film movie guy.

Speaker 5 And it's just evolved to a place where I care so much about filmmaking and like being a true like director and filmmaker to the point where like now I look at Dave as like an opportunity because every episode can be its own thing.

Speaker 5 I can be like, why don't I make this a horror?

Speaker 1 episode

Speaker 5 and like totally see what it's like to make a like a mini horror movie.

Speaker 5 And then why don't I make a psychological psychological thriller with like brad pitt and uh hostage with a gun you know things can get a little more like unrealistic when i'm like experimenting in genres like this but i think that's my when did film get in to the to play here were you always into like directing and i didn't know i'd be like a director at heart uh but i always loved movies and you know when i thought about my life like i definitely thought i'm i want to be like the next great comedian i and when i imagined what that looked like i never imagined myself on stand-up stage with a mic like you never imagined i never did it never You never seen Tina?

Speaker 1 Like SNL or anything?

Speaker 5 I never, I loved and respected at stand-up, but I just

Speaker 5 for whatever reason, I just like saw like Adam Sandler and Happy Gilmore or like Will Farrell.

Speaker 5 And I'm just seeing all these, you know, there's this murderer's row of comedians that like when I was a kid, when you guys were kids, R-rated comedies were like the thing that like drove everyone's attention.

Speaker 5 And I just thought those guys never were anything other than everyone's funny friend when they were my age, you know? And I was like, I can do this. So I answered just like with like, without knowing.

Speaker 5 But then as as I did it, I surprisingly started caring so much about like tone and aesthetic. And like, I can't even like a scene now.

Speaker 5 Like when you talk about season one, there are a lot of the funniest things from this show in season one, but I also think there are a lot of the worst looking scenes. Like just visually.

Speaker 5 Now, I don't think people necessarily give too much of a shit about that. But you do.
But I do. And I only am caring more and more and more to where.

Speaker 1 Nice. But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 I don't know. I just like the art.

Speaker 1 Is that the same way in music as well where you like the artist

Speaker 5 in a different way like yes i definitely look back at all my old music and i'm like what was i thinking i suck

Speaker 5 like i'm a loser and i i do that about my game films i was about to say the exact same thing like i'll i'll watch myself i think that's us and just be like god damn it yeah i'm gonna get fucking cut why was i doing that like why would why was it putting my hand there like it's so stupid yeah i mean with me with music like I was oftentimes early in my career trying to just like say something outrageously funny to get like a laugh and like really was like like driving my song topics around like viral comedy like moments.

Speaker 5 Whereas now I like if I can make a song without being funny that I like, I'm probably even more proud of that than a funny song.

Speaker 5 But still, as you guys can probably tell, if we hung out, I try to make you laugh all the time. It's just who I am as a person.
So I think I'm always going to have comedy infused in what I do.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to just ever be like a stone-cold, like... depressing drama guy.

Speaker 5 But I think when I came into it, I was like, I want to make Super Bad, which is like definitely definitely a top three favorite movie of all time for me. So fucking good.

Speaker 5 But now I think like, I want to make the social network,

Speaker 5 which is also a top three movie of all time for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 They're both so good.

Speaker 1 Or it's great. Or maybe a hybrid between the both of them.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That'd be kind of the sweet spot that I'd look to hit.

Speaker 1 That's dope. Yeah.
I just mentioned Santino, my favorite comedian out right now. So funny.
When I heard you was on the show, I fucking got real jacked up. We've been trying to get him on the show.

Speaker 1 He's been kind of a big time and it's just whatever.

Speaker 1 He's got a lot of things on the movie. He's got a lot of of movies out right now

Speaker 1 he's still doing stand-up which he's the best at and playing nine yeah that's i've been i've played more golf with him yeah i mean yeah

Speaker 1 i get it you got to keep that swing active baby yeah do you think he's dodging us at this point uh i maybe

Speaker 5 threw it off day i think he's so he really is always like every time i tell him he's like oh yeah i'm in albuquerque like i'll be back like he's like always somewhere uh he loves he loves touring and like being out there and hitting the road but i'll never forget when i met him in like an audition room Like I didn't even know about him until like I sat in the room early in when I made the show.

Speaker 5 I was in all the callbacks.

Speaker 5 He just wooed you, dude. He just came in there.
No competition. Like never was there like a more clear-cut choice of like this guy that was supposed to be like my best friend manager like character.

Speaker 5 I like fell in love with him instantly. So funny.
And I threw everything. I like, you know, really in my show, I would do a lot of improv.

Speaker 5 I think like the funniest, not only the funniest, but like kind of the realest and most like soulful organic moments can occur if you really are like like being off the cuff and like there can be a sentiment that we're obviously going for but it's going to be better if we say it in different ways every time because it'll be like more truthful to the moment yeah so in the audition process i like to really throw things at people like that aren't on script and that guy did not miss a beat oh yeah that's a specialty right there he's the only person that like makes me break where like I'm trying to do a scene and I just, he says something that I'm so good.

Speaker 5 And I'll ruin the scene because I laugh.

Speaker 5 He's so funny.

Speaker 1 One of my favorites. All right.
Well, Santino, I will keep begging you to come on the show.

Speaker 5 You've been on his?

Speaker 1 Whiskey Ginger, baby.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay, then I don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I wore really short shorts and my nuts were showing the entire time. It was a fun interview because I got to hang with Cheeto for a little bit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I'll probably play a round of golf before you come on here. So we'll just talk about it when we're at Lakeside, baby.

Speaker 5 You're making him seem so unattainable.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure he deserves this level of unattainability.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd love to do some.

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 After the first season of Dave premiered, though, LeBron publicly endorsed the show on Twitter. How, I mean, how fucking cool is that?

Speaker 5 I keep, I feel like I've said too many times this interview, like the coolest thing that's ever happened to me. But really, I got to be honest.

Speaker 5 I swear to God, like a part of me like evaluates my life pre and post LeBron reaching out.

Speaker 1 I swear to God.

Speaker 5 I never,

Speaker 5 that was, that was the moment. I always, it's so lame.
I can't believe I am this way. You shouldn't be this way.
But I always said, like, none of this is even successful until LeBron admins.

Speaker 1 I would go to games.

Speaker 5 I would seek his gaze. You know, I would catch nothing.

Speaker 5 And when he like, you know, he publicly tweets about it, I look at my DM. There's like this.
He's like, hey, man, like the back and forth, like motivating each other.

Speaker 5 I don't know if I motivated him, but like

Speaker 5 maybe I did. But like for LeBron James to sit and watch a series about my life, there's no, I mean, that guy,

Speaker 5 I have so much, I told you guys that I have so much respect for Mafara, but that guy, like the expectations.

Speaker 1 Northeast Ohio guys, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I guess so.

Speaker 5 I guess so. There's just something about him that is like,

Speaker 5 anyone that dislikes LeBron James is such a loser.

Speaker 1 I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that.
I mean, I'm so like, all he does is do the right thing. We felt the exact same way he tweeted at us.

Speaker 1 I saw it in practice. And as I'm coming off of the practice field,

Speaker 1 I'm like a schoolgirl with like, like somebody has some hot gossip. Like, hey, do you know that like the hottest guy in the world thinks you're sexy? He is.
He's like, no way.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. It's crazy.
What a feeling. So cool, man.

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Speaker 1 All right, let's talk about the come up. You started rapping at a very early age, all the way back in fifth grade.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did you start rapping about back then?

Speaker 5 I did that. There was this like, I had to do a report on Alexander Pushkin, who is a Russian.

Speaker 5 Yeah, honestly.

Speaker 5 He was like a Russian poet, I believe.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice. Okay.

Speaker 5 And I don't know why I did it. I just like delivered it via rap and it just really went over well.
I got like a great, I got an A, got an A, and then I kind of...

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I kind of like kept that. in the back of my head.
I've always loved creative writing or whatever. And like, and then like when I graduated college, for example,

Speaker 5 I had to do another boring report.

Speaker 1 Some court body, right? Yep.

Speaker 5 Thank you. I was going to say it.

Speaker 1 I was going to ask. Top of the class.

Speaker 5 But I got this job at an ad agency and I wasn't even in the creative department. I was actually in the administrative business side of it.

Speaker 5 And I had to do this really boring report on chip sales because I was on the Doritos account.

Speaker 5 But it was my one time where I sent an email to the partners at the company. And I was like, you know, a young, ambitious guy trying to get noticed in this ad agency.

Speaker 5 So I delivered and like, you know, instead of it being a Word document about the data, I just delivered it as a rap. Yeah.
And like, they went crazy at my ad. And I swear to God.

Speaker 1 What is up with these fucking EU and emails, man? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Very good.

Speaker 1 That's true. Very good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't know emails work like that. They work really well for me.
I haven't been answering any of them.

Speaker 5 And then like, I just saw, like, I literally saw, you know, like everyone freak out about this funny comedy rap about like chip sale data.

Speaker 5 And I always wanted to be a comedian, as I told you guys.

Speaker 5 And I was like, wait a minute, why don't I, you know, if people are loving this boring, data-driven rap, like, why don't I actually take my good comedic ideas and rap?

Speaker 5 Like, at the time, there was only like the Lonely Island Andy Sandberg guys. And I was like, look at what they've got no competition.
They're so wild.

Speaker 1 Weirdo Yankovich was childhood. But he was cool.

Speaker 5 He was really past his prime at this point.

Speaker 1 I loved him.

Speaker 1 Was he ever, was he kind of Weird Al was definitely for sure.

Speaker 5 I loved Weird Al.

Speaker 5 I loved Weird Al. Yeah.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 1 Almost Paradise? Oh, my God. There was like five.
Eat it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Eat it.

Speaker 5 It was great. He was really impressive.
He had a great run. I, you know, I was, then that's when I started doing the funny comedy raps, and that's what really took off for me and got me noticed.

Speaker 1 In a song of yours and in your show, Dave, you start your... rap career with your bar missile money.
Is that yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an actual story.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh my gosh.
This is so dope.

Speaker 5 yeah i got i think it was like six grand which is amazing like at 13 years old that i was never allowed to touch and and then i was like 24

Speaker 5 and i still i don't know how the i don't think i had like access i don't even know how my accounts worked at that you know what i mean yeah right so i like called my parents and i was like i you know do i have access to this like do i have access

Speaker 5 to touch this and they were like no You can't spend it. And I was like, why? And they were like,

Speaker 5 you're saving that money for a reason. And I was like, for what? I was like,

Speaker 5 my two options are this. I can spend that money on like a really nice sofa from like my next apartment, or I can like pursue my dreams.
And I think a good way to sell it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It worked.
It worked. It worked.

Speaker 5 I got access to the account. I got the funds sent over to me.
And then what I did was I found like the guy who was doing all the rap videos in Oakland, Brian Storm.

Speaker 5 And we made like six different $1,000 videos. And they were all like really great.

Speaker 5 Like I, It was my first time doing anything with a camera, or and we just winged it and figured it out, and it was so fun. And then those really succeeded immediately.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then I did a Kickstarter to raise $113,000.

Speaker 5 Yeah, what I did was I accumulated enough online assets. What I did was like, I, for two years, slaved away and made videos, made more raps.
Dude, you're shoe dog.

Speaker 1 You were selling shoes out of the back of a van. This is sweet.

Speaker 5 And I didn't even show anybody because I didn't want anyone to deflate my hope. Sure.
I was just like, I believe that I'm like the next Kanye.

Speaker 5 Let me just roll with that attitude because it's going to be helpful as I get things done. And I worked really hard, didn't put things out when they were done.

Speaker 5 I saved it because I thought the best way to roll this out is like to have like some sort of system where everyone knows when to check for you. It's same with you guys right now.
You see how it works.

Speaker 5 Like consistency is key. So I built up like five months of material.
All while working at this ad, I wrote all my raps in my cube.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 5 Really, people actually like stopped giving me work.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it it sounds like you weren't working. I wasn't really working.

Speaker 5 I caught a real nice wave.

Speaker 1 Vibes will keep you alive.

Speaker 1 I was there early though.

Speaker 1 I was there early and I was there a little bit. Listening to World Dude email out the hate.

Speaker 5 I would write these raps and

Speaker 5 then I put, I created all the content. Then once a week I'd put stuff out.
Luckily for me, the first day I put anything out, the thing got like a million and a half views,

Speaker 5 which was a dream because I had this, I was about to start putting it out. First day.
First day.

Speaker 5 Such an I told you so moment.

Speaker 5 My parents on the record pulled me aside and said, like, we just want to sit down and have this conversation that we think you are making a huge mistake. Oh, no.

Speaker 5 And we think you're throwing away your career.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And you're putting this material out about like your dick and like you have a job. It's a good job and you're going to ruin your life.
And so just day one to be like.

Speaker 1 You're like,

Speaker 1 copy,

Speaker 1 send. Day two, I'm not kidding.

Speaker 5 TMZ hit me up and I did an interview for my cube with that guy, Harvey, or whatever. I don't know if that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 That's wild.

Speaker 5 And then next week, a new one. Next week, a new one.
Then I ran out of money and material, but it was five months straight of like the best I had to offer.

Speaker 5 I accumulated a fan base of like, I don't know, probably like 100,000 people. I said, I want to do a Kickstarter.
3,000 of those people donated. And then they donated like an average of $40.

Speaker 5 And then I made like $113,000. Holy cow.
And then I funded my tour. I got like Snoop Dogg on a song.
That's like how I was able to like make the first legitimate like non-internet stuff.

Speaker 1 Dude, you were fucking hustling, man. I was.
This is so cool. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, obviously, we know you were musically gifted even back in high school.

Speaker 1 Did you also play that? Just like Jason, Jason was a very musically gifted high school kid. He was in the marching band and he played running back both.

Speaker 1 I was not in the marching band. What was your instrument?

Speaker 1 Saxophone. Huh? Baritone sax.
You still let it rip? You played the flute, too. I have played the flute, both the skin and the metal.
Talk to him. I'm sure you guys both played the recorder.

Speaker 1 you know the recorder

Speaker 1 yes that's what we started on so in our cross buns yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1 in our uh uh school district you started on the recorder i think in third grade and then fourth grade you started with everybody had to have an instrument it was a super liberal artsy like yeah community and i picked alto sax and stayed with it through high school loved every second of it went to college and was like nobody's gonna want to hear me play sax going in the dorm so i started playing guitar and i good i've still like kept involved in music but not i used used to mess around with fruity loops and try and make beats and like stuff like that.

Speaker 1 And I was terrible at it. So I stopped.

Speaker 5 So the Christmas album thing must be so thrilling to you. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Get in the studio.

Speaker 1 To see what real musicians actually do for a living. It's been truly incredible.

Speaker 1 I'm a fan of watching anybody who's an expert in their field or like the best at what they do or they've been doing it for their whole lives.

Speaker 1 Like it's just so humbling to see somebody who's put so much work and dedication and mastered their craft.

Speaker 1 I could watch somebody like if you're the best at putting up sheet rock, it's going to mesmerize me.

Speaker 1 Like it's like how incredible you've done this and put the hours in that you're the best in the world at this. And I'm not using her to

Speaker 1 we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna make some we're gonna make some swords here eventually. Yeah.
We're gonna forge some swords or maths, whatever. This is going down a very, yeah,

Speaker 1 allegedly, we'll figure it out. I don't know if we can go straight to the bottom.
Let's get back to the actual question. So he played, he played in the marching band and he was running back.

Speaker 1 Were you also musically gifted and played running back?

Speaker 5 I didn't play running back i played first off i played the drums in the ninth grade bands

Speaker 5 but i didn't know how to read music so all i could do

Speaker 5 just by ear like yeah like which is you know but then i had but i didn't let i try i you know it was not a good look to be that way so i like had to work really hard to memorize it to seem like i knew but like if they changed anything which they never did yeah but if they if they did it was always very stressful are you sure you're not just stealing this from the movie drumline oh that sounds exactly like the plot in drumline Very good.

Speaker 5 I was a lot like that guy.

Speaker 5 And I was the captain of the best tennis team in the history of Cheltenham High School.

Speaker 1 Ooh, tennis. Tennis.

Speaker 5 Three-year captain.

Speaker 1 So this is why you're bringing up pickleball. Let's fucking go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think pickleball is like a joke? I don't think it's a joke.

Speaker 1 I wish I pickleball.

Speaker 5 I've played like three times, and I'm just like not nearly as good as I should be. Okay.

Speaker 5 So it just frustrates me as a good tennis player to get out there and like, you know, lose to these guys that just play pickleball too much.

Speaker 1 Do you take anything from your tennis can get infuriating yeah do you take anything from your time in tennis and apply it to what you do now yeah i think i always this is so i had the warrior spirit like i'm telling you when i was i could be down five one

Speaker 5 game point and i really believed and i like there i came back so many times and i truly was like the most the way i play tennis i'm not that good i was the second best player in my high school purely out of effort heart and I was a pusher.

Speaker 5 I never made mistakes. Oh, heart.
Yeah. What is a pusher? So in tennis, like, you know, you got guys who can rip it, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 And some guys really look good when they're warming up, but then you get them in a game and they just can't make more than three shots in a row. I will never make a mistake.

Speaker 5 I will never do anything that looks that impressive. Yeah, sure.
But I will make zero on four stairs. I will get to every ball and I'll really be like just an absolute pesk.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I talked a lot of shit back then, too.

Speaker 1 Defensive tennis player.

Speaker 5 No one, no one. I'm happy we're talking about this because my tennis team deserves this platform.

Speaker 1 No. Hell yeah.
Nobody. This is why we're here.
This is why New Heights is this is a perfect new heights topic.

Speaker 5 My tennis team behaved in a way very similar to Happy Gilmore, the way he played golf, where we were disruptors and we were really like not that great at tennis, but we all were really good athletes with really good hearts and we were all like really funny.

Speaker 5 And we would like do like one thing I would do.

Speaker 1 I'll show you.

Speaker 5 So basically, can I stand or am I going to stand?

Speaker 1 You can do whatever you want. I'm going to open this up a little bit.

Speaker 1 Do you want to open this camera up a little bit? All right.

Speaker 5 So I'm receiving. Can you hear me, everybody? Yes.

Speaker 5 I'm receiving the serve.

Speaker 5 And the guys there on the other side of the court, and these guys, I'm playing the second best kid in every school.

Speaker 5 They're usually like guys who are like tennis lifers, who like really are burnt out from tennis. It's all they care about.
Yes. I don't play that much.

Speaker 5 Like it's not a big part of my life, but like I'm a winner and I'm there to win. And so they're bouncing the ball.

Speaker 5 They go up and right as the ball is in in the air, I would be like, and I would go, and like, just so loud. And then they would like.

Speaker 1 You basketballed them? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You psyched me out.

Speaker 5 And then they would be like, they'd be like, what was that? And I'd be like, what was what? What was the split step, half step before a serve? Like, that's what I do.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then, like, you know, in between games.
I love this.

Speaker 1 I love this so much. He's been

Speaker 1 in my entire childhood. Cornhole.
You play Cornhole? Yeah. You just walk down the board every time the guy's about to.

Speaker 5 You know, in between games with tennis, you'll... I feel like I've lost control of the mic.

Speaker 1 It has a mind of its own. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay. In between games, you know, you switch every odd game.
Yeah. And like the guy will sit on the bench and like I would just go sit right next to the guy and be like, man.

Speaker 1 Like I would say things that I'd be like, man, this,

Speaker 5 I know that you're better than me.

Speaker 5 And I know that you know that you're better than me. But like, I feel like at the end of the day, I'm probably going to win this.

Speaker 1 Like, I would say things like that to them.

Speaker 1 And it really had a, as the captain, it had like a trickle-down effect and like all of us like we'd be like first albums how's it going over there like oh we're fucking killing like

Speaker 5 and we like did this we overachieved in a way that doesn't like we finished top eight in the state I say top five I am rounding up we were top eight we got smoked

Speaker 1 in the quarterfinals every one of us was completely outmatched this is so good this has to find its way yeah Shelton Ham tennis team we had our this is we need a photo we need a photo of the shelton ham tennis team yeah I'll get you on this is so so legendary, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you for taking us on that journey. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who was your favorite tennis player growing up? I love Federer. Federer.
I was an Ogassi guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean. You were more of an Ogassy player, it sounds like.
For sure.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Just an American rebel.

Speaker 1 Just return everything.

Speaker 5 Federer was the classic.

Speaker 5 It's crazy because with tennis, too, it's just, you feel like we like... It's interesting that Federer came up.
We were like, oh my God, that's Michael Jordan of tennis.

Speaker 5 And then right after him, the dog came.

Speaker 1 We're like, oh my God, that's Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 And then Junkers came and were like, oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Boom, boom, boom. It was really interesting.
Nice.

Speaker 1 So you're like the one that was going to be the next LeBron. He kind of fizzled it out.
Who?

Speaker 1 Nadal?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 5 No. Nadal didn't fizzle out.

Speaker 1 No, he did not. He didn't? No.
He just got beat by the kids. He's the king of the clay.
I mean, he won like 19 or 21 or something. He was a lot.

Speaker 1 He did all right. He did good.
He's definitely top five all time. He's got a lot of five.
I think top three.

Speaker 5 I think those three are like top three.

Speaker 1 All right. So he's

Speaker 1 Magic Johnson. All right, here we go.
We always like to ask our guests, their welcome to the NFL moment, welcome to the NBA moment, whatever their field is.

Speaker 1 What is your welcome to the industry moment?

Speaker 5 Another story I've never told that just came into my head that's perfect for this moment.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 5 Celebrity basketball game.

Speaker 1 I don't know where

Speaker 1 it's going. It was somewhere in L.A.

Speaker 5 and much earlier in my career than I deserved to be.

Speaker 5 When I looked at the lineup, was like, it was like Floyd Mayweather, Snoop Dogg, Chris Brown, like John Wall. It was like stacked.
And I had no mainstream. I had like a couple of viral.

Speaker 5 I don't know how I got in the game to the point where I actually put a lot of stock and import in this game that I got there an hour early to warm up because I literally thought like a way that I could like get ahead in this like industry faster will be like scoring 30 points in this game and really dominant.

Speaker 5 I literally went there because I was like, this is a big opportunity

Speaker 5 to like advance my career.

Speaker 1 This is my chance.

Speaker 5 And I am.

Speaker 1 I'm fucking somehow dunk on Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 5 And I've seen so many celeb games where I'm like, these guys suck, you know? And so I was excited to go there and really, you know, and a few things happened.

Speaker 5 One, I'm there warming up by myself and Chris Brown walks in. He can play.
He can be. First time I ever saw Chris Brown.
And so I'm like blown away by like just seeing him.

Speaker 5 He walks right up to me and he goes, you're a dope rapper. And I was like, and it was so early in my career.
I would never expect him to know who I am.

Speaker 5 And like, to have like an icon in the music industry who has like countless number, it's just like him saying that to me meant everything.

Speaker 5 That was the impetus of Freaky Friday us meeting there. That's step one.
That's like the least important part of the story.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 5 Then we play and the game starts. I'm not in the starting lineup, nowhere close.
It's like, you know, it's the people I named. My coach is John Wall.
The way he,

Speaker 1 well, not actually, because

Speaker 5 the way John Wall went about operating his team was he did five in, five out. So he had starting five, then he just

Speaker 1 complete subs. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So I'm in the next five.

Speaker 5 He says, he tells me, grab Chris, like Chris Brown.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. So I

Speaker 5 go up to. By the way, every time Chris Brown touches the ball in this game.
He scores. No, it's just like.

Speaker 1 It's just like scream. It's like it's bizarre.
Like people. Everyone go nuts.

Speaker 5 Like every time he touches the ball, it's like, you know, when people boo in Philly when they come back, when Hardin gets the ball. It was like the opposite of that.

Speaker 5 So I'm told to get Chris Brown. So I walk up to Chris and I go, Yo, I'm in for you.

Speaker 1 And he goes, I'm not coming out. Oh, that's awkward.

Speaker 5 And then there's 11 guys on the court.

Speaker 5 Everyone is like matched up. Like, I'm clearly the odd man.
I look to John Wall.

Speaker 1 Can you help? It's a co-direction.

Speaker 5 Coach, like, and he goes, John Wall goes,

Speaker 1 and he

Speaker 5 brings me back over.

Speaker 5 First thing I say is, like, John, like get a grip and like have some like authority on your team.

Speaker 1 It's just like humiliating to like send me out there and then pull me back in.

Speaker 5 It's like so emasculating.

Speaker 1 So good.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 5 they're playing, and then I get in like the next five or whatever.

Speaker 1 I get in the game.

Speaker 1 I get in the game.

Speaker 5 I get the ball.

Speaker 5 I drive aggressively. I go up.
I get to the rim. I get fouled so hard by Deontay Wilder,

Speaker 1 at the time, heavyweight heavyweight champion of the world. He's pretty unstoppable.
Dude, like everyone went like,

Speaker 5 like everyone, like the whole gym went like, because I thought like I really got hurt.

Speaker 5 I didn't hurt that. I think the, I don't know, it didn't really hurt that much.

Speaker 1 I took it. In the moment,

Speaker 5 I get up, I miss two free throws, and then I play one more meaningless minute.

Speaker 5 And I just didn't even, I like moved to the end of the bench and just chose not to even make myself available for the rest of the game.

Speaker 5 But that was a real, like, there was like several different moments in there that felt like, oh, like, welcome to the industry.

Speaker 5 That was like the first time i think i ever like like was on like giddy images you know what i mean when there was like like watermarked images of like me talking to snoop like

Speaker 1 so good

Speaker 1 let's get to your philly fandom uh you're known as a philly sports fan obviously huge you quoted as saying i care so much about philadelphia sports it's to a level that's unhealthy yeah what's the one team if you had to choose all of the major ones i can't choose between the sixers and the eagles it's definitely those i knew it was going to be the one of the i thought you were i probably care less I can't choose.

Speaker 5 I relate to that. I'm related to basketball.
I relate to basketball more.

Speaker 1 That's what I was saying. I was talking about it has to be the Sixers.
I just feel like Philly is such a Eagles town.

Speaker 1 It's a Sixers town, too, but it's definitely Eagles more.

Speaker 5 I really feel like I love them both evenly.

Speaker 5 And I love the NBA as much as I love the NFL. I just love, I mean, I love the once-a-week build-up of a game.
I really love that.

Speaker 5 But I also love like, you know, I love in baseball how they're playing every night at seven. Like, you know what what I mean? But there's definitely a drop-off for me with baseball and hockey.

Speaker 5 But as far as Sixers and Eagles,

Speaker 5 I've tried to become less unhealthily obsessed to the point where like, you know, you lose a playoff game and my week is fully ruined. To now I can, as an adult, stomach thing.

Speaker 5 But like when I think of the best night of my life,

Speaker 5 it's when you won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 2017 season, 18.

Speaker 5 Best night of my life was like a huge Philly sports fan. You know, I turned down tickets to that game in Minnesota so I could go home and watch it with my like Cheltenham 10 high school fans.

Speaker 1 So then we could all go out. Did you guys go out afterwards? Yeah, we went.

Speaker 1 I went on Instagram live.

Speaker 5 Did you climb the polls? I didn't climb the polls.

Speaker 1 I observed people climbing the polls.

Speaker 5 I saw it. I saw it in my own two eyes.

Speaker 1 So that is my one

Speaker 1 bullshit. That's my one great regret is that we couldn't be on Broad Street after the game as players.

Speaker 5 And my great regret is I had to leave town like a day after and I missed the parade.

Speaker 5 So I never got to have that with you. Well,

Speaker 1 video of it. Well, there is a viral clip of you wearing a Sixers jacket court side in the 2016 NBA Finals.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What a seat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, we talk about this all the time.
Best ticket, it's the best ticket in sports. That is the best thing.

Speaker 5 Now I can't not sit courtside.

Speaker 5 It ruins it. It ruins it.
Like the other day, I was offered like third row, like Senate, like the dream, and I'm just like, I don't know if I can stomach it.

Speaker 5 But no, sitting, dude, sitting courtside. And my seat was, it was like Warriors Bench and then like 12th man, like most space.
And then me. Like, you know what I mean? It was like right.

Speaker 5 And like, that was the 3-1 comeback, LeBron blocking,

Speaker 5 like blocking Iguadala. Like, I was in the building for that game.
Wow.

Speaker 1 You're speaking to my heart.

Speaker 5 It was, and like, it was really intense. It was an awesome.
It was, but honestly, as great as that game was, not the best sporting event I've ever been to.

Speaker 5 I was at Kobe's last game where he scored 60 points. Holy shit.

Speaker 5 I was like in Nebraska the morning of the game, and spontaneously I was like, we got to go.

Speaker 5 And I like brought two of my friends. We had you met Kobe on courtside to that game.

Speaker 5 I spent $10,000 of my own money and got like real middle of the pack seats.

Speaker 5 But dude, Kobe scored 60 points.

Speaker 1 That was electric. Every shot he hit in the fourth was 60.

Speaker 5 They were like down 10 with like two. It wasn't like a meaningless 60.
It was really a crucial six. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 This shit was nuts.

Speaker 5 It's awesome.

Speaker 1 Is Kobe the most iconic iconic Philadelphia native sports figure? Native.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 5 I feel, yeah. How can he be more iconic than Kobe? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Frasier? Wasn't he from. Was he from? Yeah.
I think it was.

Speaker 1 Rocky, the fictional character. So we argue by this all the time.

Speaker 1 He hates that a fictional character is like the focal point of the city. I don't hate it.
I don't hate it. You have said you raise it.
You've ran up and down the museum steps. Have you?

Speaker 1 No, you haven't. I don't know if I, yeah, I have not.
I'm more

Speaker 1 up to it than you. I don't really you

Speaker 1 i don't blame you i hate all cardio i'm not like the biggest rocky guy okay like i wish rocky was a real man we just i mean you just saw us

Speaker 1 like schwarzenegger leave the stage yeah that was you should have told him like i didn't even feel comfortable even approaching our 15

Speaker 5 i let him walk right by

Speaker 1 honestly you know iverson's not from philly but i you know iverson

Speaker 5 like totally like there are a few people who shape like i'm 13 years old allen iverson's in the NBA Finals. He's putting out rap albums.
Like, I really think he really impacted what I define cool as.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. 100%.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 We just had Saquon on, and he talked about how tough it is playing in front of Eagles fans as an opposing player. What do you think makes

Speaker 1 Philly fans so different? Well, there's certainly an aggression.

Speaker 1 There's certainly an aggression level.

Speaker 5 Look, I love Philly, being from Philly, Philadelphia, sports fans. There are definitely times where I'm like, that's too much.

Speaker 5 Like when I'm going to like a game with my uncle, who's like a Patriots fan, and he's like wearing a Patriots hat, and they're like, fuck you, fucking pussy. I'm just like, it's just unnecessary.

Speaker 1 But I do love it.

Speaker 5 I do love it deep down.

Speaker 5 I agree. I wish I didn't agree.
I love it.

Speaker 5 It's like, there's like an anger.

Speaker 1 I got adopted into it for 13 years, and I fucking loved every second of it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, they care.

Speaker 1 Where do you think that camera comes from? Just from the generational.

Speaker 1 I think it's a blue-collar town.

Speaker 5 I think that there's merit to it being like the understudy of New York City.

Speaker 5 And like, you know, it's like kind of like just this blue-collar, like hard-working, you know, you're going to get what you get if you work hard for it type of thing.

Speaker 5 And I think it's also been like this way forever that it's like

Speaker 5 exponentially become its own folklore to now.

Speaker 1 Sure, like now it's like a principal thing. Like if you're not like

Speaker 1 a pussy, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 Uh, but I do there's a higher level of care and there's a higher level of knowledge.

Speaker 5 Now, there are some like just completely ignorant takes, like, of course, that come, but there is a higher level of baseline knowledge and photography.

Speaker 1 At times, those are the best. I think that, yeah, unfortunately, those higher like bad takes are the ones that get all the notoriety.
Like, in general, though, the average fan is just like English.

Speaker 1 They're locked in. They're locked in.

Speaker 5 Like, I know so much about sports, and it's because I'm from Philly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you threw out the first pitch at the Phillies game last season. Jason just did opening day this year.
Not opening day. Charlie Manuel did opening day.
He texted me advice.

Speaker 1 He said, Jason, I'm 80 years old. I had a stroke and I threw a strike today.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, all right. No pressure.

Speaker 1 He must have seen my opening day pitch in Cleveland last year where I fucking spiked it. He spiked it.
He tried to throw it as hard as he could.

Speaker 1 I didn't practice. You didn't throw it? I threw it for sure.
It was me and Fletch, though, so it wasn't over the plate. We shared the

Speaker 5 double arm. That's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 5 wait how did your throw go i didn't see it it was good i mean it was caught so for me off the hop no no hop i threw an o2 slider have you seen mine no mine mine back door it's a really it's did it did it go off the it was exactly where i wanted it to be like it was totally where i wanted it to be i threw an o2 away slider jamie moore is probably like 45 miles an hour

Speaker 1 it really took its time it's one of those that you're you're trying to hit the dirt so that you can get in the chase yeah i'm I'm not going to throw it right down the pipe.

Speaker 5 Yeah, right. I just wanted to show, because I just really wanted to showcase the movement.

Speaker 1 Movement. Yeah.
Dude, that high leg kick right there.

Speaker 1 It's a really good audio, too. If you want his fingers audio, I go, ah.
You got to get out there?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I didn't think I would make any audio.

Speaker 1 35 miles per hour.

Speaker 1 It was further.

Speaker 5 It was further away than you think.

Speaker 1 It is much further.

Speaker 1 I know. And it's hard to really get good grip when you have tennis shoes on on that.

Speaker 1 I'm making excuse. On that rubber.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't have the the grip issue but his foot definitely slipped i think it's because he wears the fancier shoes that don't have they're not built for function i wore hoop and shoes out there next time i'll make the right decision

Speaker 1 um what's your all-time favorite philly sports moment and you can't say super bowl 52 because you just said it and i have to ask you a question that's fine because it's actually not i mean that is the best

Speaker 5 it probably is but it's it's fine the answer before that that i've said my whole life is iverson stepping over to ron lou game one of the nba finals that was legendary like the lakers had not lost the whole playoffs.

Speaker 5 I think there were 12-0 leading up to that. Real David versus Goliath matchup overtime.

Speaker 5 I felt like I was staying up late to watch it. Like, you know what I mean? And he was, it was just, you really believed that they were going to win that series in that moment.

Speaker 5 They then lost four straight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 I was watching it like this might be the only game that I lost.

Speaker 1 I really

Speaker 1 mean Eric Snow got hurt.

Speaker 5 Mutumbo, it was.

Speaker 1 Eric Snow, Northeast Ohio guy, baby. Shout out to Kay McKinley.

Speaker 1 I just got to give shout outs to Cleveland guys at all times. At all times.
I don't know how it. I don't believe.

Speaker 5 That's how I feel the same way about Philly. Whenever I see an actor who's from Philly, Will Smith.
Will Smith is a great Philadelphian.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He reps it.
Yeah. He reps it.
What's Philly? I mean, all-time.

Speaker 1 One of the best all-time TV shows growing up. Yeah.
Let alone music.

Speaker 5 It's definitely one of my digging with it all the fucking time. It might be my favorite TV show ever.

Speaker 1 The Fresh Prince.

Speaker 5 It really might be. I'm with it.

Speaker 1 I was definitely a Fresh Prince kid. Oh, my gosh.
It's like just talking the line from

Speaker 1 the intro. Yeah, he was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 We actually had to pay money for that.

Speaker 1 Even though it wasn't like in rhythm or melody or anything? No.

Speaker 5 That's weird. Yeah, you had to like pay money to use that, I think.

Speaker 1 That's my memory of it. Well, it sounds like Will did it right.

Speaker 1 You got a discount. I got a discount.
Oh, nice. The old Philly discount.

Speaker 1 Back in 2017, a few Eagles players posted a video of themselves dancing to save that money in the locker room. And they extended an invite to you to come to practice.

Speaker 5 Which I did not take. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wish I did.

Speaker 5 To see these guys in the locker room, like posting a selfie video where there's like eight players like singing along to my rap song

Speaker 5 just an unbelievable experience.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was you and

Speaker 1 Dreams and Nightmares. Those were the two songs.

Speaker 5 Crazy.

Speaker 1 Legendary. So legendary.

Speaker 5 And then you guys went on. I mean, your speech.

Speaker 5 Your speech is also up there with Iverson's Step Over.

Speaker 1 Don't put me up there with AI.

Speaker 5 Honestly, the joy that I got watching that speech

Speaker 5 is

Speaker 5 and it was for it was so long. Like it was so much joy, the length of the joy.

Speaker 1 There's no way he remembers having it.

Speaker 1 Well, that's, I still don't know how I remembered everything, to be honest with you. Especially

Speaker 1 drinking all the way through.

Speaker 1 Were you very drunk?

Speaker 1 I feel like I

Speaker 1 didn't seem to be. Somehow, I feel like I was trying to

Speaker 1 get that date. You could see it in his eyes.

Speaker 1 When you were

Speaker 1 around him enough. You could see it in his eyes.
Like, yeah, that guy's gone. When I said fourth and discovered instead of fourth down, that's a

Speaker 1 no, but I think.

Speaker 5 Did you know you were going to do that going into the day?

Speaker 1 I did. I knew I was going to do that.

Speaker 1 I knew I wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 Oh, I knew all of it. I knew I wanted to do it like three days before it.
And I went to one of the guys in the PR department and I'm like, hey, are we going to get a chance to talk?

Speaker 1 And I wasn't at that time like one of the focal guys. It was surprising.

Speaker 5 It was like, I was that, that

Speaker 5 feel like it made that happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was, I don't know that I would have gotten that if I wouldn't have went up and asked. Just in hindsight,

Speaker 1 behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 But I told them, like, I think I got, I think I get, I wanted to say something. And they're like, okay, well, we don't know.
We'll tell you.

Speaker 1 And they told me a couple of days later, like, hey, yeah, you're going to get a chance to talk. And they like gave everybody a chance to talk.
There's a lot of people that spoke. But

Speaker 1 I would like be awake till 3, 4 a.m., not sleeping, like going in my head, like different narratives of like, first of all, myself getting to the Super Bowl and winning it and how crazy that was.

Speaker 1 And then like how like many things you overcome. And then you start thinking about everything your teammates did.

Speaker 1 Like Nick Foles was just a like a backup quarterback, comes out here, wins the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Like all these things are going through your head and you're going teammate after teammate after coach after coach. I mean, Howie Rosen was in a different part of the building.

Speaker 1 And it's like all these things are building up.

Speaker 1 And you see the correlation correlation completely with the city of Philadelphia and how they had been so close multiple times winning the struggle and had to overcome so much to get there.

Speaker 1 So I think that's why I remembered it because it was like, it was so vividly entrenched of my own story combined with my teammates combined with the city.

Speaker 5 It was perfect. It really felt like you were from Philadelphia.
But I think where you're from is probably very similar.

Speaker 1 We were just talking about this the other day. I think they share similarities,

Speaker 1 but Philly, obviously, being kind of more East coast they got a little bit more of the the aggressive nature yeah uh especially in the sports sports world yeah cleveland fans i mean it is blue collar in sports town as it gets to yeah and that's i mean it helps drive our yeah there are there are like i don't know that any

Speaker 5 man has made me cry in the last like five years more than you

Speaker 1 like i can think of three off the top of my head that speech your documentary your retirement speech off the top of my head there's probably more that i'm just not thinking have Have you ever seen?

Speaker 1 I've cried watching, I cry when you guys start getting on your podcast.

Speaker 5 Like when you start, it makes me cry instantly.

Speaker 1 That's four. Have you ever have you seen more men cry publicly than on the team?

Speaker 1 We're the only fucking guys out here crying. It is a lot of madness.
It's a lot of crying. After we won the Super Bowl, you posted a screenshot of a text from my man, Lane Johnson.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll show that there. Yeah, did you text anybody else? You know anybody else on the team? How did you know Lane? I think I guess let's start there.
Evan Mathis. You know Evan? Yeah.
Nice.

Speaker 5 But no is a very loose term. Like, this is like, you know, your Twitter, DM, and like, you know, but I...
That's good enough.

Speaker 1 Even Lane.

Speaker 5 Even Lane, I haven't really gotten to spend any time with him the way I want to.

Speaker 5 So, but you just, you know, I think that I don't know who it is. It's probably me or it could be them, but someone reaches out to the other and the other one's excited.
And then we just talk.

Speaker 1 It's really not that surprising.

Speaker 5 Like I say, like the, it's cool to like be at a party and like meet, like, I don't know, I haven't even met him, but Bad Bunny or something.

Speaker 5 but like there's nothing cooler than like for me having like a direct line into Daryl Maury the GM of the 76ers and be like what what are we thinking you know

Speaker 5 like so like that type of just having being able to text a guy like the day of the Super Bowl or whatever and like and like he responds I'm just like I feel like I'm just the true kid in me comes out

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Before we get off of the Philly Sports, what is your take on the Sixers?

Speaker 1 In like this last

Speaker 1 decade of like

Speaker 1 the process. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the process.

Speaker 5 First off, I still trust the process.

Speaker 1 I love this. This makes you a Philly Sports.
Will not give up on the process. I'm not giving up on the process.

Speaker 5 I think, look he's coming back and it's good it's good that he was out now he's gonna be like ramp him up yeah and our other guys really got to like just play more and i don't know it might not be good that he was out

Speaker 5 time will tell time will tell time will tell uh the process when it happened i was like i love drew holiday so i was i was bummed to lose drew holiday that was the first domino of the process to fall was nerlin's dewell

Speaker 5 um but i was for it i thought it was the right thing to do i thought it was innovative i like love money ball and i love like weird ways of thinking about like sports and like I don't think there's anything wrong with like being big in analytics, huh?

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly. What's wrong with being logical and being like, why do I want to like try as hard as I can to be the eighth seed every year?

Speaker 5 Let's just suck for four years and be able to draft Joellen Bede. Like I think, you know, I think there are a few just flagrant mistakes along the way that are just unbearable.

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 1 and I, I, which, which ones are you the idea of?

Speaker 5 To me, the biggest mistake

Speaker 5 is trading essentially Jason Tatum and a first-round pick for Markel Fultz.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 That's going to sting you forever.

Speaker 5 Markel Fultz is a good player, and

Speaker 1 I have trouble even disrespecting.

Speaker 5 When I was a kid, I would talk shit about athletes, but like becoming,

Speaker 5 I guess, a celebrity, I now have a different perspective on like the pressures that you guys deal with. And I'd like to talk about this for a second.

Speaker 1 Sure, let's talk about it.

Speaker 5 I think it's so crazy.

Speaker 5 The pressure I feel, just like putting out a movie or something or a TV show, and like I'm in control of like the edit. I'm like in so much control of like exactly what the finished pro.

Speaker 5 You guys are just out there there like having live moments that all you can do is like be in the moment and then like if you fail like you're called like weak-hearted and like and like that's so normalized.

Speaker 5 Like it's very like it's not even like considered that offensive for you to be in a stadium and be like, fuck you, you pussy. Like you have no heart.

Speaker 1 Unless you show no heart. And then

Speaker 1 you get told that

Speaker 1 you fuck it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I think so, like, I guess so what you just said.

Speaker 5 Do you know what I'm saying? I feel like it's a dehumanization of athletes.

Speaker 1 I think that's fair. I think that's, that's true, but I think at the end of the day,

Speaker 1 a lot of the times what you do on the court, like,

Speaker 1 even if you're bad, you can still, like, stop that from being said. Narrative, yeah.
You can, like, if you can't catch a ball, you're going to get,

Speaker 1 people are going to say you suck, but they're not going to call you soft and like attack you usually. You know, there are some outlandish things.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, people say all sorts of things when they're mad, but the overall narrative at the end of the day, once you're done playing, like once the emotionality of like the moment of the game is done, and this is why I try and remind like players, because players get wrapped up in what's being said now.

Speaker 1 And it's like, dude, take out the equation what's being said now.

Speaker 1 This is just the moment. This is what the fans are going to say in the moment because they're pissed.
Yeah. Like.

Speaker 1 Just go out there and play your balls off and do the best you can and show you that you care.

Speaker 1 And like, if you don't win, they're still going to probably hate you and think that you sucked, but they'll at least respect you. I really do believe that.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the day, the guys that do it the right way,

Speaker 1 they're idolized for a reason because you see the competitiveness, you see the heart, you see the passion. And then in those moments, you see them be able to persevere or come out on top.

Speaker 1 And it's like, that's the beauty of fucking sports. You know, there's a winner and loser in it.
And that's why everybody, that's why everybody launches that.

Speaker 1 Fans do cross the line.

Speaker 5 There's no question. And to play devil's advocate, not that he needs one.

Speaker 5 I think you boys boys are exceptional people, athletes, and you think at a higher level and you have a lot of like self-awareness and confidence.

Speaker 5 And imagine being like a high first-round pick and just being like kind of a weird, insecure guy.

Speaker 1 No, and I think sometimes it's a crutch to be drafted high because the expectation that's layered on you is thick right from the get-go.

Speaker 1 Especially if you aren't ready for that. Real thick.
Like we weren't. Super thick.

Speaker 1 We weren't there. It's a heavy.
But back to the Marco Fultz that you just said, right?

Speaker 1 I would hope that he would, if he did hear that, it's not like it's an attack on necessarily when you're thinking of like he's mounted back. He's having a good idea.

Speaker 5 I wanted them to draft Marco Fultz. Yeah.
I wasn't like, what are you doing? You got to get Tatum.

Speaker 5 In retrospect, it's just that would have changed. That is what the process was trying to do: get you Jason Tatum and Joellen Bede.
And we just never quite got that other guy.

Speaker 1 And when you look at it in retrospect, it's just like, this is what it was. It's not like

Speaker 1 I'm trying to crap on him, but like the reality was it didn't work out the way the plan was.

Speaker 1 And there's reasons why guys don't pan out in certain places. And it's not always like that that guy isn't a good player.

Speaker 1 There's fits, there's schemes, there's all sorts of reasons why things don't pan out.

Speaker 5 And now with the Sixers, it's hard. You know, we're in a tough, it's like they gambled with the Harden thing.
I think they were right to move on.

Speaker 5 I think Harden is great, but I don't think that is a good fit.

Speaker 5 I don't even think that is a good fit of athlete in City, to be quite honest. I think that would have just been a ticking time bomb.

Speaker 5 Joellen Biade, when he's playing and he's playing, he's never, the whole process, every single year in the playoffs, he's hurt. He gets hurt like a week before he gets his face broken or he like,

Speaker 5 it's like the timing, it's truly been,

Speaker 5 it's been five straight years.

Speaker 1 Chris Paul had that kind of thing alone, too. Some guys, and that's.
In sports, you have to be every bit as fortunate in terms of staying healthy that you do to have that success, man.

Speaker 5 And we've been unlucky in that regard. That's why I'm just like, look, there's only like two weeks left of the regular season.

Speaker 5 Embedded has been hurt all year, sure, but maybe he's going to be back and two weeks is the perfect amount of time to ramp up, get him right back to where he is.

Speaker 5 And maybe he got the injury out of the way this year and we're going to get a healthy Embiid for the first time.

Speaker 1 And I'm curious what that can equate to because I think he really is. Embiid is the stud.

Speaker 5 He's unreal.

Speaker 1 He's like unguardable.

Speaker 5 The most unguardable player. I watched Iverson and Joelle is just a different level of unguardable.

Speaker 1 Stop it. Dude, it's

Speaker 5 the way he plays is crazy. Iverson was like, I love Iverson.
I'm the biggest Iverson fan. He wasn't the most efficient player in the world.
Like, he had to shoot a lot.

Speaker 5 And Bi, I mean, just look at the stats. That's all I'm doing.

Speaker 1 I love Iverson.

Speaker 5 And Bi is just like so efficient. So, like, and the way he does it is remarkable.
Just the eye test of it all is like crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Same with Iverson. The eye test, of course.

Speaker 1 And I love it.

Speaker 1 I love Alan Iverson. Did you have Iversons growing up? Do you have the questions? Yeah.
The answers.

Speaker 5 I never met Iverson either.

Speaker 5 I was another celebrity basketball game. I rebounded and passed him the ball, and he just accepted the ball.
He just rebounded.

Speaker 1 Facilitating it. You thought you were the ball boy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I acted like one.

Speaker 1 So I don't blame him. We're going to get to our segment.
We got to ask, but you don't have to answer.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Feel no pressure. First question: Our fans have asked us to sign actual babies.
Travis actually signed his first one. Chrome Parsons.
So I was the champion. Haley, let me sign that chrome dumb of his.

Speaker 1 What's the weirdest thing someone has asked you to sign? Oh,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 5 I signed a man's dick.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 Wait. I did.

Speaker 5 I signed a man's dick.

Speaker 1 So when you said in the show, like,

Speaker 1 come back. That's one of those things based on the truth.

Speaker 5 I was like, dude, I basically, you know, I was like, back then, I was like, you know, when I was trying to sell the tickets, I was like, whatever.

Speaker 5 I forget what studio, but I was like, you know, Sacramento, like, still a few tickets left. Meet and greet.

Speaker 5 like i'm i might sign someone's dick tonight like blah i said something funny like that and the guy and so there are people are asking yeah the guy eventually comes to the front and he goes like yo ld like you you for real about like signing dicks

Speaker 5 and i just like

Speaker 5 like i just wanted to see if this was actually about to happen so i said i said if you unravel your dick and stretch it and place it on the table

Speaker 5 I will sign that. I will sign it to.
And he, with no hesitation. Zero hesitation.
Zero hesitation.

Speaker 1 There was probably kids in the store.

Speaker 5 Like, I don't know who was there. It's probably like an all-ages show.

Speaker 1 He unraveled his dick, his like medium-sized dick. Medium.

Speaker 5 His medium-sized. I remember it being very, like, it wasn't that big, it wasn't that small.

Speaker 5 I was like, very medium. It was normal.
Like, I didn't feel annoyed by it. Or like, it was easy to

Speaker 5 find the place to sign easily.

Speaker 5 And I signed this man.

Speaker 1 Medium dick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't call his bluff, baby. Yeah, that's, that's definitely.
I can't call his bluff. That's weird enough.

Speaker 5 I think I'm the only rapper probably to ever sign a dick.

Speaker 1 Guaranteed. Guaranteed.
Well, let's not say that. There's positive.
You never know.

Speaker 1 When you were on TNF, the shop, Thursday Night Football, this past season, you said if you were a woman, you'd date Travis. Wait, what?

Speaker 5 This was said? I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 1 I didn't see this. I'm just true.

Speaker 1 Dude, what? You said this? You're honored. Yeah, so basically,

Speaker 1 what was your logic? What was your logic? I'll sign your dick right now.

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 5 we were, it was very early with you and Taylor, and they were like, I think it was, I don't know if they were talking about how they cut to her, just they were talking about just the idea of you and her.

Speaker 5 And I was just like, I totally get it. I was like,

Speaker 5 I was like, if I were a woman, he's exactly who I would go. I was like, there's no, first off, he's the best of all time at his position.

Speaker 5 One, he's like, seemingly the nicest, sweetest, like, kind of funniest, like, most like classically cool guy in a high school vibe. And I just thought that, you know,

Speaker 5 when you danced, it really took my, it took

Speaker 1 the way he danced, like,

Speaker 5 whenever, I forget, I DM'd you immediately. I was like, this is crazy.
Like, when you did, whenever I saw you do the snacky leg for the first time,

Speaker 5 I was like, it's unreasonable to be this talent.

Speaker 1 I've been working on that snacky leg for years, baby.

Speaker 5 How can you dance so well, but you can't come close to doing it?

Speaker 1 Time out. I can't dance well.
Did you see that? I don't see

Speaker 1 Uzi Vern saw it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm right in between you two.

Speaker 5 I'm like dead in the middle.

Speaker 5 If you let me control the edit, I will look like you because I catch pockets and moments of incredible grace.

Speaker 5 But if you're just like leaving the camera running for the whole time, I'm really right in the middle.

Speaker 1 Jason's got all the musical playing talents.

Speaker 1 I was seated playing my saxophone. Travis was up dancing.

Speaker 1 I must have been wise.

Speaker 1 I was playing the trumpet, is what I was doing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right now.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm honored.

Speaker 5 That's true, dude.

Speaker 1 Who is your

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore of rappers turn actors?

Speaker 5 Well, I'm really thinking about it on the spot. Will Smith, Ice Cube.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Infiltrate the dealer.

Speaker 1 Can we put Eminem in there? With A Marshall?

Speaker 1 100%. I just think he's your Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 5 He's quarterback to classic movie.

Speaker 1 Let's give him the credit. Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 5 I feel like I'm probably missing someone incredible. Like, first off, I think Tupac would have been the goat at this.

Speaker 5 I think he would have been the best at all time at doing both. Snoop has obviously straddled both.
Am I forgetting anybody? Like, there's iced tea, but I don't, you know, I don't

Speaker 1 50 Cent, LL Cool J. LL.
LL. Let's give LM his flowers.
Let's go LL. I love it.

Speaker 5 LL, like, you know.

Speaker 1 He was going to say Marky Mark. You could.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 He really just dipped in and out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he wasn't like

Speaker 1 a mainstream mainstream. But he was cool.
He looked cool. Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, baby.
He was hot.

Speaker 1 Are you sick of being on interview shows and asking to freestyle well i always instantly say no

Speaker 5 um so i mean i'm not sick of it but anytime i it's shocking how often people think you can like i'm just doing like an yeah exactly that like i was like i did this thing uh for kevin hart he just like won the mark twain award for comedy which is like winning like the oscar for like being a comedian shout out to kev yeah shout out kevin hart another the philly guy you know i'm doing the red carpet and like like i'm being interviewed by like npr cn it's like such a legitimate event and I'm doing the best I can and they're like

Speaker 5 little dicky like as a rapper like if you had to like, you know

Speaker 5 bust out a few bars about Kevin like what would they be and I was just like

Speaker 1 absolutely not

Speaker 1 how this works. This is his day and I am not going to ruin this.
No, I like especially to like pinpoint it down to

Speaker 1 subject.

Speaker 5 It's a weird thing. Like I like became like a famous rapper like without ever like having ever performed performed in front of anybody.
I was embarrassed to do karaoke. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 I'm not the kind of guy who feels normal just being like just busting out into a rap spontaneously.

Speaker 5 That being said, I do think I can be one of the best rappers ever. So it's a weird place.
I mean,

Speaker 5 I have to put in a lot more work to be one of the best rappers, but I feel like I have the talent to be one of the best rappers alive.

Speaker 5 I am one of the best rappers alive present day.

Speaker 1 I love that. Fuck yeah.

Speaker 5 I'm making a lot of great music even right now, present day.

Speaker 5 I'm in the studio every day and I really feel very strongly about what I i just said but at the same time look at how i talk look at how we're communicating i just think it'd be weird if i was like

Speaker 5 you know i'm not even gonna do it

Speaker 5 The thing that I'm the most proud of as a rapper for sure is like going on these like iconic radio shows like Sway, because I feel like it is a huge part of the culture and it is like back to the wall and I am a champion and a hero like that in my mind.

Speaker 5 And it was the most nervous I've ever been like going on Sway and like having to do like be impressive.

Speaker 5 Like I'm sure like a comedy funny like white rapper like they're they'd be thrilled if the guy like failed and like made a fool of himself so I like I'm so like if I were to show Jay-Z any footage of my rap career I wouldn't show him any of my hit songs I would show him when I went on Sway and I rapped and like because I feel like that is a true representative of my talent musically all right I love it love that love that who's the best athlete rapper of all time Dame Lillard

Speaker 5 Instant yeah he's he's got to me instant he's got crazy I listen to Damian Lillard and I'm like, I love listening to this music.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like the other artists, the rappers, you know, athletes, I'm like, that's cool that he did that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And sometimes I really do like it.

Speaker 5 But Damian Lillard is just on a different level.

Speaker 1 I respect it. Yeah.
We've got a lot of new fans. Not sure if you've heard of them.
They're called Swifties.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've heard all about them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. For those that.

Speaker 5 How are you guys doing with all this?

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 listen. It's not changed that much for me, but for I'm having a blast in life, baby.
Yeah, just flying high, as you should enjoying it all, bringing bringing new lives to the football world.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think it's the best thing ever opening the football world up to new things is I love it.

Speaker 5 Honestly, my take on it, not that you want to spend time talking about it for the 5,000th time, but like, I just think there's something that

Speaker 5 makes everyone feel like it's like the world is kind of like high school, where like your most popular pop star, like beloved musician somehow met like your most popular, beloved like athlete, and they actually fell in love and like it's just real and I don't know it just I think I think it's anyone who like hates on it is like a bitter loser because I but I think a lot of people who would maybe expect to hate on it actually love it and they acknowledge they love it because it's just so there's something so

Speaker 1 American about it or something

Speaker 1 there's something like just classic about it I don't know how I did it because she does not she wasn't into sports so I don't know how the fuck I did it well you did it because you said you caught her out on your yeah no one knew yourself.

Speaker 1 I know exactly how I did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what song would you, of all your songs,

Speaker 1 recommend to the Swifties that haven't listened to you before? Like, what is your number one song that you ask people to listen to, or you would want somebody to listen to of your catalog of music?

Speaker 5 Well, I guess my instinct is to go to the poppiest song I make.

Speaker 1 However,

Speaker 5 I'm still the same man that I always would be no matter if it's Swifty or a Jay-Z. So I would direct the Swifties to my Sway freestyles.

Speaker 1 Yes!

Speaker 5 To see just a guy getting after it, like just on a rap level. I have other pop hits that you might.

Speaker 5 There's a song that I'm going to stick with what I'm saying. I'm not going to.

Speaker 5 I like this. I'm not going to mention it.
But I do have a few breakup, like, you know, emotionally love songs that maybe you'd find endearing.

Speaker 1 I don't know. But I also rap aggressively.
Love it. Love it.
So your rap names, of course, Lil Dickie. Can you help us give some rap names to me and Jason?

Speaker 5 So you guys have no starting points? I'm just.

Speaker 1 I mean, just based off of maybe I don't know, I guess, career, like where does

Speaker 1 a rap name like originate?

Speaker 1 Is it a speech maybe for Jason? Is it like the porn star names where you like would do like your street and like your cat or something like that?

Speaker 1 Well, we can't do that because then we'd have the same fucking we'd be cold Flash Coleridge. Is there a

Speaker 1 porn?

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 That's the best time I ever heard of that.

Speaker 5 For me, it was like, you know, there's a lot of Lil.

Speaker 5 so i was like let's start with lil sure um and i just knew i wanted to make like like uh probably like a joke that was self-deprecating about being like not cool yeah like young man was actually my backup rap name i don't know if anyone either one of you wanted to say

Speaker 5 that's great i thought about it and i i to this day i wonder would i have succeeded if i was young man

Speaker 1 um it's the reps it's the reps for sure okay cool the problem with young man

Speaker 1 cousin the problem with young is that eventually you're not young and then it's like It doesn't seem to matter.

Speaker 5 Like, young Jeezy still

Speaker 1 getting on red cards.

Speaker 5 Actually, I think he might be Jeezy. He might actually be Jeezy.

Speaker 5 He might have taken the young away.

Speaker 1 Hmm. I don't know.
Rap names.

Speaker 5 Really random thoughts are going, like, stick shift is coming through my head.

Speaker 1 I don't know why.

Speaker 1 Stick shift is so good. Oh,

Speaker 1 that fits.

Speaker 5 Like for you, like stick shift, but that's strong.

Speaker 5 I never heard a rapper name anything like that, stick shift, but it's cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's how you have a cool name. Um, I like the uniqueness of it.

Speaker 5 You'd have to be something a little cool. Like, I feel like smooth, maybe like smooth, like S-M-O-O-V-E.

Speaker 1 Smooth.

Speaker 5 Like, smooth trav.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that. Smooth Trav.
Smooth Trav.

Speaker 5 Or Trav Smooth.

Speaker 1 Trav Smooth. 7 and 9.
The Wave.

Speaker 1 You guys ever listen to that radio show? I think that was exclusive to Davelin. Yeah, I was everywhere.
107, FM? Way over everyone's head. Ringser Bells for me.

Speaker 1 I'll think on it, though.

Speaker 5 I think we we could probably beat both of those.

Speaker 1 Smooth?

Speaker 5 Smooth might even be better than Smooth Trav.

Speaker 1 Is nobody named Smooth?

Speaker 1 I don't know. What about Too Rich?

Speaker 1 I always thought

Speaker 1 Too Rich is a good enough name. You'd never be too rich, baby.
Come on now. You are smooth.
I mean, I'm happy that you went there immediately because Trav's name's smooth. He's so smooth.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I appreciate this disguise. Silk.
Yeah. And you are about as sticky as shift.

Speaker 1 Stock metal.

Speaker 1 Jerky. jerky as a

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 all right man i think that does it dude yeah dave guys thank you man thank you thank you thank you for blessing the show this has been so

Speaker 5 you guys don't understand how much this is a dream come true to be like let me just tell you favorite eagle ever no way yeah it was b dock i can cuh come on i can cuh it was b dock i'll give you my quick eagle mount rush more oh yeah you let's hear it and this is personal it's not i'm not i'm not gonna like go chuck it in nerric Nerrick, you know, even though he probably would be in it.

Speaker 1 No, I probably wouldn't because Jason Take a spot.

Speaker 5 It's you,

Speaker 5 Brian Westbrook.

Speaker 1 V. West.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 5 second in all-purpose yards. And I just think

Speaker 1 throw the guy the ball in the fire. Talk about likable.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Just a likable game. Yes.

Speaker 1 I felt like it.

Speaker 5 Dawkins. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All football. And for me, fourth, I'm going Donathan McNabb.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you something about McNabb. Controversial.

Speaker 5 Well, let me say, I

Speaker 5 would much rather.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you agree, but as a fan, I would rather

Speaker 5 be competitive for 10 years and never win than suck and win one year. And McNabb brought an era of sustained,

Speaker 5 I would say greatness, but if you want to say goodness, fine. All I know is that every single year we were in the last three weeks of the season, and I always believed.

Speaker 5 And I always, and he was a fucking Pro Bowl stud.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was.

Speaker 5 And I thought he was cool.

Speaker 1 I'd like to play some ball now.

Speaker 5 And he seemed funny and cool.

Speaker 1 And I thought he he got an unfair rep in philadelphia and i'm a big mcnapp guy yeah all right i respect it i respect i respect that moment i mean i don't know would i rather would you rather take one super bowl and not making the playoffs you were yet

Speaker 1 give me that motherfucking super bowling super bowl over like how many they went to like what like four or five nfc championship games or something like that they went to three

Speaker 1 super bowls i'd rather not make the playoffs or once they went to one super bowl one super bowl yeah Losing in the playoffs in the Super Bowl is the fucking worst feeling in the world.

Speaker 5 Fuck that. I can't imagine.

Speaker 5 I was so mad

Speaker 5 when you beat the Eagles on that bullshit fucking non-cost.

Speaker 1 Gosh, it was so electric. I've never had

Speaker 1 a bad thing.

Speaker 5 My hair never looked the way it did after that game.

Speaker 1 It was like I had been electrocuted.

Speaker 5 That was so stressful. We don't got to bring up bad memories, man.

Speaker 1 We can keep this thing going. It's a good memory for you.

Speaker 5 It's a good memory.

Speaker 1 The best rapper in the fucking game. The best rapper.
I don't have to say that. I am saying that.

Speaker 1 You're right. He does it.
Because I believe it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 OG. Thank you for blessing the show.
Guys, thank you for having me. Thank you.
You already know. I love you both.
All righty. That wraps up another episode of New Heights.

Speaker 1 Thank you today for joining the show. Do I stand? You can.
You can just hang. You can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1 Once again, New Heights presented by Wave Sports and Entertainment. Yeah, follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with One S fun clips throughout the week with little Dickie.

Speaker 1 Man, this shit was so fucking fun. Thanks you again, brother.
Thanks to our production and crew for always making us look good and to the 92 percentage. We'll see you guys in Cincinnati or next week.

Speaker 1 Peace. Peace.
Yep.