Saquon Barkley on Eagles Signing, Real Value of Running Backs and Squatting More Than Jalen | Ep 83

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Speaker 2 I mean, any of them.

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Speaker 1 You got beer cheese.

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My mom's like, Where do you want to go to celebrate?

Speaker 1 I'm like, Let's go somewhere tropical. And then pilot hopped on the intercom and started talking about me.
And I was like, What is going on here?

Speaker 1 My wife beats cancer too, and I wanted to celebrate his special moment. That's Bill, a real United pilot.
We brought him drinks and donuts. We all signed a card.
I was smiling ear to ear.

Speaker 1 Best flight ever, for sure. That's how good leads the way.

Speaker 1 Being there for less than four hours, you could just feel the energy.

Speaker 2 Jalen, all these guys are going to be rejuvenated. So, man, I can't.
It's going to be so fun to watch.

Speaker 1 You don't got to watch it, you know.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to come back.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing it.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, presented by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you. We are your hosts.
I'm Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 1 This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Heights high grads, baby.
Shout out to the Heights. Shout out to the Bearcats, too, man.
Cincinnati alum over here.

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Speaker 1 We can't wait to get around the city, around the...

Speaker 1 our old stomping grounds and have some fun with the players out there and

Speaker 1 everybody in the Cincinnati area, man. We're going to have some real special surprises.

Speaker 1 A lot of guests that hopefully

Speaker 1 everybody in Cincinnati can get fired up for. Hell yeah.
So

Speaker 1 we'll keep you up to date on that. And before that, the first ever great Lumbaby games are going to be going down on the same day, just before we get into all the interviews and the guests.

Speaker 1 And we cannot wait to see you guys duke it out for the first ever Golden Lumbaby trophy. I'm still getting used to this nonsense Jason created.

Speaker 2 Well, we're still figuring out what we're giving them, but the Golden Lumbaby trophy will be there.

Speaker 2 But either way, we got a bunch of great games teed up for you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, tell them what we got, Jason. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, there's going to be a

Speaker 2 competition. Jocks, athletics versus academics is what they're trying to say.
But really, it's jocks versus nerds.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows this game, all right? Everybody's, everybody knows. And we got exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 And it's going to be a Cincinnati football version, Cincinnati University Bearcats version. We got Skyline Chili.
We might have some live animals.

Speaker 2 We're going to be having students participate against the student athletes. So there's going to be some bragging rights here.

Speaker 2 Of course, the proceeds are all, well, some of the proceeds are going to be going to the Cince Reigns.

Speaker 2 That's right, to support the NIL collective at the University of Cincinnati to help with recruiting and making Bearcats football great.

Speaker 1 Get the boys and girls paid. Money falling from the ceiling.
Ha ha! Let it rain. Yeah,

Speaker 2 we got a bunch of cool stuff. We got trivia.

Speaker 2 We got music. We got trivia.

Speaker 1 We got skyline.

Speaker 1 We got running.

Speaker 2 We got catching. We got throwing.
We got a little bit of everything. So

Speaker 2 these games are going to be fun.

Speaker 1 I can't wait.

Speaker 2 Picture Revenge of the Nerds slash

Speaker 2 Wipeout slash MXC.

Speaker 1 I think that's what we're going for. That's exactly what we're going for, actually.
All right.

Speaker 2 Let's talk about what we're getting to in this episode.

Speaker 1 Let's do it.

Speaker 2 Got a special guest here.

Speaker 1 How about it? It's this one.

Speaker 1 Let's get it on.

Speaker 1 All righty, our guest today is superstar NFL running back out of White Hall High School. That's right.

Speaker 2 He's the record holder for most career rushing touchdowns in Penn State history. The second overall pick in the 2018 draft.

Speaker 2 Former offensive rookie of the year, two-time Pro Bowler, the man who apparently is now on the enemy. Well, the good guys for us.

Speaker 1 That's right. Please welcome Philadelphia Eagle, Saquon, Barkley.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 I need that. I wish I got to have you two around.
I need more intros like that, you know? It makes me feel like

Speaker 1 every room, you know, we got you, dog. That's all we do.
That's our major right there.

Speaker 1 Welcome to New Heights, brother. Yeah, welcome to New Heights.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Appreciate you taking the time, man.
It's been a

Speaker 1 pretty wild couple weeks for you. Yeah, but all good things, you know?

Speaker 1 That's how I try to look at it.

Speaker 1 All blessings.

Speaker 1 Obviously, stressed for a little bit, had to make some decisions. And those are never easy, man.
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 1 You're A1, man. Obviously, we've met during passing and stuff through all the NFL events and stuff like that.
And you pour your heart into it, man.

Speaker 1 And you can tell that when you do that, you create the relationships and stuff. So I can only imagine how tough it's been for you, bro.
Yeah, knowing you had a place for six years

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 had a lot of ups and downs, tore my knee. I have a lot of history there.

Speaker 1 So knowing you're going to leave and obviously before I even made a decision that I was going to be in Philly, but knowing that it's like, oh, this story, this chapter has kind of come to an end, it definitely sucks.

Speaker 1 But unfortunately, it's a business. And

Speaker 1 I'm happy. I could be, there's some guys who's trying to find a spot, trying to get in the league, bouncing around.
And I had the opportunity to make a decision where I could

Speaker 1 further on my legacy and put me and my family in a better situation. You did that, man.
You did that.

Speaker 1 There were rumors eventually in the beginning that the Eagles were kind of in it. Were they always kind of like the top choice, or were they the ones kind of trying to make that move happen?

Speaker 1 Let's be honest here, right? This is what the show is for.

Speaker 1 Really, probably the first team that had my first interest was Houston. Ooh.
It was Houston.

Speaker 1 That would have been dangerous, too. It was really, I got to communicate with CJ and a couple of those boys.

Speaker 1 Nice. But this is before all the,

Speaker 1 you know, when you actually put offers on the the table and talk to teams. And

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 1 as it got closer and you start hearing word and it's like, okay, like, you know, Philly, I probably never imagined myself playing for Philly, you know, six years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was like, I get to come back to Pennsylvania. My family's from Pennsylvania.
My lady, our kids, like grandmas, all that's from Pennsylvania. So we get to, we're already close.

Speaker 1 We even get to get closer

Speaker 1 and get a chance to compete. I got to admire them for a far, admire, you know, what he was able to build over there and

Speaker 1 get to be able to be in part of that culture. Oh, yeah.
It was a no-brainer for me. Hell yeah.
Yeah, did you grow up?

Speaker 2 So you grew up in PA, but you were a Western PA, right?

Speaker 1 Not Eastern.

Speaker 1 You were Eastern? Yeah, Eastern.

Speaker 1 I'm probably 50 minutes from

Speaker 1 maybe, it depends what time you leave, like 50 minutes. Oh, dope.
50 minutes an hour. So did you grow up a Birds fan? No, no, no, no, no.
No? I did not. My dad, I was born in New York.

Speaker 1 I was born in the Bronx. My dad got a Jets tattoo, like, right here.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Jets Jake story.

Speaker 2 I was real happy with this.

Speaker 1 I was a Jets fan growing up my whole life. So not only did you go to the Giants, but then you went down the street.
So you've just been bouncing all around the Jets. Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 But the cool thing, like the cool thing about the Giants story, because the Giants and the Jets obviously stayed at Sherry Stadium.

Speaker 1 So when I was a kid, like, and I'm all about big on like, you know, speaking stuff to existence. Oh, yeah.
Got to. Me and my dad would drive.

Speaker 1 And if I was sleeping, if say we were going for PA to New York, my dad would always wake me up or always look at the stadium, the stadium before it was my life, and be like, I'm going to play in that stadium.

Speaker 1 I'm going to play in that stadium. And like, I thought it was going to be for the Jets one day,

Speaker 1 but it just kind of matched up for me. I was number two pick, and Jets was number three.

Speaker 1 I don't, I'm not saying the Giants passed me, I would have, you know, made it to the Jets, but still, it was, it was cool for me to be able to, as a kid, like have that moment and think about that and dream about that and then put on that and be able to play in that stadium.

Speaker 1 That's dope, man. That's dope.
I mean, like you said, you're still playing in that stadium. Yeah, right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty curious, though, how did you get Howie Roseman to throw that much money at a running back?

Speaker 1 Three years to $37 million? Listen, I will say this. God damn.
I will say this. A lot of people got to know that, you know, I had a couple good offers.

Speaker 1 It was something I needed. Like for your confidence, for your swagger, like you hit the open market and everyone's talking and the rumbles and oh, you're going to get this and you're going to that.

Speaker 1 This is what a running market running back market is. And it's like, I was viewed as a weapon.
I was viewed as somebody that can come to the team and, you know, I'm not just a bruiser back.

Speaker 1 Like, they envisioned me how they use an Alvin, how they'll use a Christian, and not just saying Philly, like the teams, you know, all the teams are able to offer.

Speaker 1 So, when I had, you know, my offers in place, I was like, all right, what would best fit me?

Speaker 1 Where can I go and have the best opportunity to win, in my opinion?

Speaker 1 And when you put all the pieces together, it made no sense to be a Philly. I love it, man.

Speaker 2 Well, we're damn sure excited to have you in Philly. Three years, $37.75 million.
Howie Roseman sure did shell out for Saquon Barkley. Doop, doop,

Speaker 1 doop,

Speaker 1 doop.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. And I think you hit it off right away.

Speaker 2 Your daughter became the star of the show.

Speaker 2 Jada asked if you're going to win now, now that you're on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that, that, see,

Speaker 1 I like put a tweet out about that. First of all, it's funny.
Well, that ain't right.

Speaker 1 You have grown men and women on social media arguing with a five-year-old. That was right.
I just put that out there. But, like,

Speaker 1 it's funny how the media turn stories.

Speaker 1 Like, I told that story, if anything, first of all my teammates know that, or my former teammates, like DJ, Slay, like at the time, like, I told my teammates that story because it was more embarrassing for me.

Speaker 1 And they took it like I'm trying to throw a shot at the Giants. Like, I'm telling you a story that...

Speaker 1 My daughter, we was getting our ass beat by the Eagles so bad and so much in my career that they're like, my daughter's seen the pain and it causes me coming home.

Speaker 1 They're like, my daughter's like, oh, are we actually going to win now?

Speaker 1 And everyone tried to spin it. It's like, you know,

Speaker 1 I'm saying, like, it's a shot at at the giants fans but it's like it's just that made no that made no sense and i'm just i've been noticing recently you know just don't respond just yeah no you got it yeah

Speaker 1 you always got to take the high road like everybody who has a daughter or any kids realizes man sometimes things just come out and it's natural and it's hilarious and yeah i thought that was like a coming it was like a coming to like full circle moment for me when i was telling that story I thought it was a pretty cool story.

Speaker 1 It's like, dang, like, this, I had this moment with my daughter. Obviously, it was an embarrassing moment for me.
And then, you know, here we are.

Speaker 1 And then everyone was just like, oh, he's throwing shots at the Giants. And I'm like, all right, man.
Like, it's not even that deep. It's really deep.
Yeah. I feel you on that.

Speaker 1 Jason's oldest, Wyatt, knows AJ Brown as his pink cleats on the field. Do you like his pink shoes? Yeah.
Nice. Do you have any fun, like, your family, man?

Speaker 1 Do you have any fun, like, traditions with your kids before or on game days? Oh, yeah. Me and my daughter have a handshake.
A handshake? Nice.

Speaker 1 We do a little handshake where we do our little stuff and we kiss each other on the cheek. My son now,

Speaker 1 he's one. So he really

Speaker 1 loves football already, which is kind of crazy to say. His first word was ball.
So

Speaker 1 20 years, we got another one coming up. It's in the genes.
How are Squad's looking? Yeah, he's good. He's an athlete, all right? He's an athlete.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 You know, his dad got some pretty good jeans, and his mom's a pretty good athlete, too. So

Speaker 1 you got to make sure we keep him on the right track. He'll be all right.
The hell yeah. Well, let's talk some of your

Speaker 1 reception in Philly, man. Everybody's obviously going nuts because of the type of player they just got.

Speaker 1 Obviously, a big family, man. What's it been being on the other side of the Eagles? And do you have any like...

Speaker 1 I always love to hear

Speaker 1 the bad Philly stories of the fans when

Speaker 1 you go into the link as an opponent.

Speaker 1 How has it kind of been different? And do you have any good stories from when you were playing?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think it's been great. The reception has been great.

Speaker 1 You know, I was there the other day, house shopping. uh i got a free bagel uh free sandwich you know

Speaker 1 something free for me getting the purse already if it's free i need three baby

Speaker 1 three it was weird because

Speaker 1 if i was like go to when i go back to philly like you know they would say they would talk shit and shit like whatever like how you know how fans would be but like i would know some of those fans personally because i'm from that area and like my little like when i was a kid growing up my nickname says so it's like i'll hear like say sei you suck and i'm like

Speaker 1 like you can't see but i'm like i definitely know you like we played high school ball together or something like that.

Speaker 1 That's one thing I haven't got a chance to really do. I've been so caught up with, um, obviously looking for houses and

Speaker 1 the movement and then going back and forth with you know, Giants fans or Tiki that I really haven't like got a chance to be able to like

Speaker 1 be able to show like how appreciated I am to actually be a Philadelphia Eagle. Like I'm a guy, like you like you said, like I love it.
I want to compete. Like I love the culture.
I got to see it.

Speaker 1 Like one of my favorite football experiences outside of losing the game was when we played them in the original playoffs the year that they lost to you guys in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Like that was a dope experience. Like my family was there and they got to say like they haven't had that experience since college because we went to Penn State and Penn State was jumping.

Speaker 1 So I was like, I'm just happy to be a part of that culture. Let me clear myself up.
That's no diss to Giants fans or stuff like that. You know, people could take it.
But like that's a fun culture.

Speaker 1 And like they showed like a video of the to the to the free agents and they had you talking and you was like, if you love the city, the city's gonna love you. I'm like, that's what I'm excited for.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to get to that place. Can't wait to embrace that culture and give 110% or more

Speaker 1 have fun with it and somebody that we all know has fun being a Philadelphia Eagle Brandon Graham BG

Speaker 1 hey what up baby man just wanted to say what up I just happened to come out and you just on your way man so just wanted to give you some love

Speaker 1 hey man can't wait to go try to do this thing together yeah

Speaker 1 go enjoy yourself man

Speaker 1 get that love baby I'm gonna hit you BG was out front welcoming you in. I'm sure you got some good BG stories.
I'm just happy that I don't got to, like, he can talk to Smack now.

Speaker 1 That's what I, yeah, I hear the talk. He can talk to SmackNow.
We do the training camp, but like, I don't got here on the field, him and Fletch. Like, Fletch one time, my rookie year.

Speaker 1 Fletch and BG, bro.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're great to play against. I remember one time Fletch tackled me my rookie year.

Speaker 1 And it was like impressive tackles. I was like down the field.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 there's no reason why a man that big should be able to be at that spot where we're making that tackle.

Speaker 1 And like, I look up and he's like, yep, it's me again. I'm going to be your daddy for the next 12 years.
And I was just like,

Speaker 1 he's like, I'm going to be your daddy for the next 12 years. I'm like, I'm looking at him like this.
And it's like at the point, it's like, you know, it's all funny games.

Speaker 1 And I'm starting kind of, I'm like, nah, there's no way he's playing for another 12. Like, this hardening.
But BG, BG, we played him divisional playoffs. And like, he's going crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, he's going ham at decks, which like he don't even got to block decks. Like, you got to blow.
You had to block decks. He messing my day up.
I'm like, bro, we calm down, BG.

Speaker 1 We had the coin toss, and he just, boom, boom, boom. And I'm just like, and like that fired me up.

Speaker 1 So like, I can see it now like how it's gonna be a dope experience and cool to be a part of that side with him because like I remember at that coin toss like you already knew what it was is Philly's New York.

Speaker 1 It's a divisional playoffs.

Speaker 1 And then like it was like, you know that little standoff moment we all get and like he's out there just yapping and it's like for me I'm like that like got me going I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 So it's like I only can imagine being on the same side as him now. Oh, yeah.
And not only him all those guys. I can't wait.
I honestly can't wait.

Speaker 1 Man, you got you got an unbelievable offensive line in front of you. Have you ran into anybody on the offensive line side yet?

Speaker 1 No. So not funny story.
I talked to Lane at the honors, and we just chopped up a little bit. And he was like, you know, we'll love to have you and stuff like that.
And obviously, you know, the money.

Speaker 1 And I was like, hey, I just want to win. So if we can make it work, if we can make it work, we can make it work.

Speaker 1 That overrides everything.

Speaker 2 Did you meet anybody else when you were in for the visit or signing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the building. It was insane.
I met everybody. Okay.
Literally everybody in the span span of an hour, two hours. It could be a bit overwhelming.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I hope the first day I go in,

Speaker 1 I had them send me

Speaker 1 everybody's name. And before I get there, I'm going to make sure I go over it and try to alarm everyone.
But I hope I'm not like the first day I'm in there and they're like, you remember my name?

Speaker 1 And I'm like, it ain't going to be tough. I've met so many people.
Yeah. But just even from just being there for...

Speaker 1 less than four hours, less than three hours, like you could just feel the energy. You could just feel like how upset everybody in that building, not just players.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm talking about from top to bottom about the way the season ended last year.

Speaker 1 And they're motivated. And it's like, damn, like, all right, like, it's like, that's refreshing.
Like, I'm like, I can't wait to be a part of that. So I'm like a kid in a candy store, bro.

Speaker 1 I'm happy. I got a fresh start.
I can't wait to meet everybody and

Speaker 1 just go out there and play ball.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you what, man. And take that attitude there.
Like, everybody.

Speaker 2 You're right.

Speaker 2 The season ended with a sour taste in everybody's mouth in the building, but everybody knows the talent that is on the roster. And with adding you there, dog, I'm telling you,

Speaker 2 it's in a good spot. And you guys,

Speaker 2 the potential that can be reached is the best. And I think that,

Speaker 2 you know, it's going to be an outstanding environment all year round. Jalen, all these guys are going to be rejuvenated.
So, man, I can't. It's going to be so fun to watch.

Speaker 2 It's going to be so fun to be a part of. It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 You don't got it. I do got one piece of advice.

Speaker 2 I got one piece of advice. Before you ask me to come back, I'm not going to to come back.
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 Do not go down at the one-yard line.

Speaker 1 You got to go down at the two. Yeah.
Yeah. Go down at the one.
It's curtains. Yep.
They didn't ban it. They didn't ban it.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Jalen's going to get that. He's going to get that every day.

Speaker 1 A little extra motivation there. You know, that's just no, don't go down at the one.
You got to find a way to get an end zone. Trust me, my boy.
Obviously, you know Miles pretty well.

Speaker 1 I know how many touchdowns probably was taken away from Miles just watching this film. I'm just like, oh man, just got to strain a little more.

Speaker 2 There was one time, I mean, I remember being so happy when he got in the end zone. Or it was the year, it was his last year in Philly.

Speaker 1 I was just so happy. Even you trended the play a little bit?

Speaker 2 Dog, whenever the running back got down to the one-yard line, whether it was him or Dee Swift or whoever,

Speaker 1 especially when we ran the ball the entire drive, it's like, man,

Speaker 2 I would say I'm sorry in the huddle.

Speaker 1 I'm like, man, I'm sorry, bro.

Speaker 1 That's gold, man. Yeah, let's get to the Penn State club.
Let's go ahead, man. Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you recently went back to Penn State to celebrate St. Patrick's Day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. What was it like being about being a little

Speaker 1 Irish in the?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of it. It's got to be Irish to celebrate St.
Patrick's Day. I think the weekend I went.
I went for pro day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that might have been St. Patrick.
And I got to go out.

Speaker 1 I didn't get to go out in the bars and stuff at Penn State because I was never 21.

Speaker 1 and like I got to go. I was out, and I played D, I was like a DJ for a night.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, nice.

Speaker 1 I tried something new, it was different, but uh, yeah, I don't got no Irish in me. I probably do it.
Like, I think everybody got everything now. Like, if you do that, especially Irish,

Speaker 1 it trickles in everywhere somehow, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, do you give any of the young guys at Penn State any advice?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you get to speak to the team. I had it, I got the chance to talk to the team.
I will say this:

Speaker 1 I'm gonna choose my words wisely here. Um,

Speaker 1 college football is a lot different than when we were in college football. Yeah, it's a lot different, and just the mindset

Speaker 1 of the kids, not just saying at Penn State, like anytime you talk to these college kids,

Speaker 1 it's a whole different process than what it was. So, that was like kind of my thing when I talked to him.

Speaker 1 I was like, I know what college football is right now, but it's like I felt like when I was there, especially my junior year, like we really, we really shit the bed.

Speaker 1 Like, at one point, we were number two in the nation. We had a really good,

Speaker 1 we were up at Ohio Ohio State. Ohio State came back and beat us.
Then we had another opportunity the next week because Ohio State lost to Iowa and then we lost to Michigan State.

Speaker 1 And then that kind of was our season. A little Big Ten ball, baby.
It's kind of our season. So I was kind of just telling them to just lock in and focus because it's different now.
There's 17 games.

Speaker 1 Like the college football is so crazy. It's going to be 17 college football games.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh. I didn't even know this.

Speaker 1 If you make it to the college football playoffs.

Speaker 1 And you go all the way, it's 17.

Speaker 2 Holy cow.

Speaker 1 So it's a different mindset. Like before, you had to win the Big Ten championship, or you had to be undefeated, or maybe only one loss.

Speaker 1 And that's hard to do when you play in Michigan and Ohio State every year. And some years, Michigan State's really good, and Wisconsin's sneaky good here and there.

Speaker 1 So now it's just like more of my mindset. I was trying to get them to understand is like, you got to get to the dance.
And you guys can do something special because we folded.

Speaker 1 We didn't accomplish me, Trace, Mike, my teammates. We didn't accomplish what we could have really accomplished there.
And, you know, as

Speaker 1 a vet or alumni, coming back, it's like, it would bring so much pride not only to myself, but all of us, if, you know, we could support you guys and you guys go out there and do it the right way and get the job done.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hell yeah.
That's awesome, man. I commend you for going back and talking to them.
We're getting fired up to shoot back to the natty ourselves for alumni weekend.

Speaker 1 Was it always Penn State being the East PA guy? It was Rutgers first. What? Yeah, it was Rutgers first.
Rutgers?

Speaker 1 The whole New Jersey connection, or I should say, the East Coast connection. I've been there my whole life, pretty much, right? And they were probably just getting into the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 Yep, they just was getting the Big Ten. Rutgers offered me my sophomore year off of my JV film.
Holy cow. So,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 JV. You got to get them early.
You got a chance. I wasn't like

Speaker 1 I wasn't a big recruit. I wasn't like, yeah, big recruit.
I got my stars later on. But at the time, I was 16, 15, 155 pounds.
I can't imagine you. Who were you doing on JV film?

Speaker 1 Why were you on JV?

Speaker 1 One of my best friends who works with me, he was the starting running back. And that's how our school was.

Speaker 1 You don't really play a young guy. And to be honest, I wasn't that good.
I wasn't really that good at that. I was kind of a late bloomer.

Speaker 1 No, I swear. After my sophomore year, that's when I was like, I started getting that mentality.
And I started getting into the weight room and started grinding and pushing myself.

Speaker 1 But Rutgers offered me straight off of potential that I never even seen in myself. Wow.

Speaker 1 And, you know, Coach Wilson, Norris Wilson, who's a running back coach at the time under Flood, obviously, I ended up decommitting. I played Pennsylvania.
I went to Penn State.

Speaker 1 My first start ended up being against Rutgers. That's true.
That's how it works. Yeah.
And I went stupid. And I remember Coach Flood was like, got fired or something.

Speaker 1 And Coach Wilson was the interim head coach. And went up to him.
And I was wanting to make sure because he's the one who gave me my, you know, how it works in college.

Speaker 1 You get a scholarship, and then that's when other teams start.

Speaker 1 You start buying. Yeah.
You start buying in and pulled me aside. And it was like, you know, just look in my eyes.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I knew I seen something special, you know, like, almost like brought me to tears because I was like, this person, like, that's dope. That's all you need sometimes.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you need someone to have belief in you and take a chance on you. And I'm forever grateful for.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I never played there, but you know, I don't think I ever get to the point I am if it's not for that moment. Right on, bro.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 When that new NCAA game comes out, man, just do a creative play. Just be like, this is what it would have looked like.
So you guys got to play NCAA.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 My year is literally the year. I was cut it off.
I was seventh string and like a 54 overall rating at quarterback.

Speaker 2 I moved myself to running back right away.

Speaker 1 My coming out game was against Rutgers, too. Yeah.
Rutgers, they're good for that.

Speaker 1 They're good confidence builders. Shout out to everybody at Rutgers, man.
I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that, guys.

Speaker 1 Because they was in the big, that was Big East. That was a big East.

Speaker 2 And they were actually really good at first when I was in school because they had Brian Leonard.

Speaker 1 She Rice, right?

Speaker 1 Ray Rice. Right, she Rice, yeah.
Ray Rice. Ryan Shee Rice.
Rashid. Shout out to Rashid.

Speaker 1 Right now.

Speaker 2 But no, they were really good when I first got into

Speaker 2 Cincinnati, and then we kind of took over after that. And then they started getting decent again, though.

Speaker 2 They beat you your senior year, didn't they?

Speaker 1 Trav? Or was that Louisville? Oh, didn't they? Oh, you got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, they got us. They got us.
You over here talking to Trav.

Speaker 1 It was a good fight, though.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying. It was a good.

Speaker 1 It was a good coming out party. I had two touchdowns.
I was running behind your fat ass.

Speaker 1 All right. I'm actually curious about this.
Being back in the locker room and everything, kind of being around the guys, do you still feel that

Speaker 1 college camaraderie, even though the NIL stuff is kind of like guys can, and not only that, but the transfer portal, like guys can just, if they don't like their scenario, just get up and slide, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wasn't really able to be in a locker room. Like when I was in a locker room, like Deborah was right out there.

Speaker 1 It's just more of like, when you just talk to everybody, like, it's just a different world up there.

Speaker 1 Like, I never wanted to be a coach, but if I ever decided to be a coach, I would not want to be a coach in college. Damn, it's like, it's different.

Speaker 1 Like, and then you kind of like got a little NFL to it. And, like, I didn't get a chance to, like, if it's one thing that I really wanted to tell them that just crossed my mind, it was like,

Speaker 1 have fun. Like, don't worry about the business stuff.
Like, obviously, get your money, get your paper. I'm all about that.

Speaker 1 But, like, this, like, you guys know, like, the next level you get to is a monster. It's a whole different beast.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, so have fun and enjoy it because you're going to be searching for that for forever. Yeah.
And maybe like more, more times you're on winning teams, like probably your

Speaker 1 successful years when you won Super Bowls. Um, the locker room is probably way more closer.
But um, not to say that locker room wasn't close in New York because we were really close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but just like you walk in one day, you boys with this dog, like with him, you chopping it up, then the next day, like his locker's clean out. It's a new name.
It's a new, like,

Speaker 1 you don't get that. And, like, it's getting towards like that in college now because, like, you could just up and leave.
Like, there's no adversity, there's no, like, oh, okay, like, like, which is

Speaker 1 it's hard because, like, everybody's story is different. I know I appreciated the adversity I got hit with in college.
Um, it put me in the tight end room, essentially, so

Speaker 1 landed me a job, right? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's good and bad, right? Like, what the rules were where nobody could never make any money off of their name, right? And the schools are capitalizing on all of it.

Speaker 2 Like, that was the wrong way to do it, too.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the

Speaker 2 allegiance to the university and your teammates that was like really did feel like a family more in college. It just does.

Speaker 2 Because you're all bought in and there's not like the free agency portal, which kind of takes place now with NIO, right? Like where every year guys can go wherever they want.

Speaker 1 And don't work like that in the NFL. You can't just up and leave because you don't have a good situation.
Snip, snip, and then now you're on the outside looking in. Right.
You don't teach nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a wild. It's a wild scenario.

Speaker 1 But I want to get back to your DJ career.

Speaker 1 Were you playing? What were you playing? A little bit of everything? Mixing it up, you know? A little bit of everything. What's your DJ name? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I really thought about this. I was going to buy a set.

Speaker 1 I enjoyed myself.

Speaker 1 Get you the Pioneer. The Pioneer 400.
200. I don't even know what number it is.
It's something like that. Pioneer 400.
This is a turntable. Yeah.
It's like the...

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not even sure if it's the right one. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Just got to throw it out there.

Speaker 1 We got a bunch of people.

Speaker 1 You just got a free ad right there pioneer i don't even know what you guys do but you do something electronically you guys just got a free free pub it's something about being a dj though like controlling the crowd for sure i had no idea what i was doing and honestly dj next to me was kind of just telling me what to do and i was a showpony yeah i was a showpony coachable but i remember like the one time like we're playing dreams a nightmare and like there's a button or it's like a slider where like it's like the song's still going but it's like you know it's for the crowd they could sing yeah and like i timed it at the right time I, boom, I push it up and like, everyone's everybody's screaming it.

Speaker 1 And I'm just sitting there, like, my little brother, you know, he's just like, I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. And I like, I like, I left that moment.
I was like, damn, like, I might actually

Speaker 1 try this for real. Like, just, I know Shaq.
Shaq, uh, Shaq does that right. Yeah, Shaq.
Shaq's a DJ. Yep.
DJ Diesel. Yeah.
But I, I got

Speaker 1 house, though. Yeah, that's not my.

Speaker 1 That's not my thing. Like, that's not my thing.
I'm more like rap. And then, you know, I'll throw a little country in there.
Oh, okay. But I ain't doing all right now.
I'm right now.

Speaker 1 That's not my thought.

Speaker 1 Great song, though. I don't know who sing that song with me, so I'm not throwing shots, but that's not my thing.

Speaker 1 You give me enough tequila, I'll be out there on that damn floor. All right, now.

Speaker 1 Well, that's that's too much fun, man. Obviously, um, you hold all types of records at Penn State, man.
I mean, the list goes on

Speaker 1 most career rushing touchdowns, most career yards, most receiving yards by a running back.

Speaker 1 Like we said, the list goes on.

Speaker 1 Do you think any of them would get broken?

Speaker 1 Records are meant to be broken, right? No.

Speaker 1 No, that's what they say.

Speaker 2 I mean, now that there's 17 games, there's 17 games.

Speaker 1 Oh. I didn't get the one that matters the most to me.
Which one's that? The rushing yards. Evan Royce got Ervin Roycer got it.
He played four years, though. I was about to say.

Speaker 1 No distance to you, the OG. You know what I'm saying? Before you turn 21, Saquon.
Do I think, do I think? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so.

Speaker 1 And like now, I'm at that point now where, like, I'm year seven, where it's like,

Speaker 1 I look back on like some of my college stuff, like, saves a tweet, like, someone would put a tweet out, or and I'll see it, and I'll be like, damn, like, I was really raw, okay.

Speaker 1 Like, you don't understand it, like, in the moment, you don't understand that just now realizing this, you were second overall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I like to be in the moment.

Speaker 1 You did arguably the craziest shit I've ever seen on a football field.

Speaker 1 You hurtled a man and in mid-air took a fucking hit from somebody else and landed on your feet yep that was like i you went airborne and trucked somebody

Speaker 1 while you were hurdling somebody it was the it was the most freakishly athletic thing i'd ever seen in my life

Speaker 1 yep yep was that uh iowa iowa yep yeah i remember that shit like this yesterday man i was like that was one of those that makes you get out of your seat like

Speaker 1 i'm at that point now where it's like i was like damn but do i think myself like they have really good back right there now they have two uh singleton and fat man or alan that's his nickname i don't know why

Speaker 1 yeah that's what they uh that's what they call it we don't fat shame but yeah i feel like i love that though i love like because i know what you know royster and all those backs there like meant to me like i would look up their numbers and look up their stats and be like all right like that's what i gotta go get i'm gonna go get i'm gonna go get it and like i think it's cool like to be in a position now where younger backs who come to penn state where you know

Speaker 1 I'm the I'm the pick. I'm the pinnacle.
I'm the one you got to go get. And I'm not one.

Speaker 1 you know, oh, you're not OGs be hating now. Like, I'm not like one.
No. Hold on.
No, I'm not doing that. We don't care.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not doing that. I'm just saying, like, in general, like, I play not just only football and all sports.
But, like, I ain't want, I want, you know, you come to Penn State.

Speaker 1 Like, you get what you got to do.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
That ain't it. That ain't it.
You couldn't last back in my day.

Speaker 1 One time someone told me a story.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then, like, he showed me his shoulder, and his shoulder was insane.
And I'm just like, no, I don't want that. I don't want my body to be like that, actually.

Speaker 1 So it's like, maybe it was a good thing I didn't play in your time.

Speaker 1 It's not like a thing to brag about.

Speaker 1 He was like, I played. He's like, I did this in my shoulder and I played through it.
I was like, you probably shot it up with stuff that we can't shoot it up now.

Speaker 1 No doubt. And now this is looking this way and that way.

Speaker 1 I like my shoulder to be on that. They probably weren't even telling him.
They were like, hey, we got this stuff that might help you out.

Speaker 2 We got a cream.

Speaker 1 Don't make it feel like

Speaker 1 we have a topple. We got a topple.
It'll just go right over the skin. Won't even know it's in there.

Speaker 2 Dude, there was something that guys used to take.

Speaker 1 I think it was like DMSR. Somebody walking around with new hips and new knees.

Speaker 2 They said it used to make everybody's breath smell like raw eggs or something like that.

Speaker 1 You ever heard that?

Speaker 2 Like it smelled like sulfur?

Speaker 1 I know who that is what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 It's the horse then. It's the horse then.
Yeah, the horse horse.

Speaker 1 They wrap it around the knees. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's too funny.
No, I've never done it, obviously. They outlawed the fuck out of that shit.

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Speaker 1 Let's move on to talking to some NFL draft. We're a month out from the 2024 NFL draft up in Detroit, Michigan.
It is in Detroit. Yeah, I believe so.
I think I was right on that. It is.

Speaker 1 Up in Detroit this year, man. I think it's cool that they're jumping around and doing that in everybody's home.
So do I. I think it's cool, man.

Speaker 1 And it kind of gives everybody a broader experience of what these cities are really like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Although there was something cool. It was a little cool.
It was in Kansas City last year.

Speaker 2 But there was something cool about it being in New York. Like, I don't know why, like,

Speaker 2 watching it as a kid, watching it always in New York, there was like a certain cachet to it. But when it was in Philly, it was dope.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we like to talk about everybody's draft day experience, man. You were literally could have gone one overall.
I feel like everybody in the top three to five picks, anybody can go number one.

Speaker 1 It's just dependent on what team is needed for anything. Us

Speaker 1 Clevelanders over here. How close was it for you to go to the Browns? Not close at all.
Oh, okay. Gotcha.
All right. Some guys

Speaker 1 never talk to the teams at all, and they still draft them. So So everyone got their own different process.
I never talked to the Browns once. I talked to them one time where it was like a sit-down and

Speaker 1 I was like, so what's the word? Y'all not feeling me? And it was like, no, we just handled it differently, this and that, third. And we just, they gave me like the spiel.

Speaker 1 So in my opinion, I never thought Cleveland Brown was a

Speaker 1 real thing. And I was really super excited to where number two was and where number three was anyway.
So it was like, you want to be first.

Speaker 1 Hold on, what are you trying to say? What are you trying to say about Cleveland?

Speaker 1 Maybe I, yeah, you're right. I got to be careful nowadays.

Speaker 1 For some reason, right now,

Speaker 1 whatever I say is getting twisted crazy. Yeah, let me not play into that.

Speaker 1 I wanted to be like, I get to come home.

Speaker 1 Like I said, that story of me being a kid,

Speaker 1 it fit everything.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah, I don't think Cleveland ever was a real thing, in my opinion.
I respect it.

Speaker 1 Well, you were second overall to the New York Football Giants in 2018.

Speaker 1 You were rumored to go very high and then like top 10, but your draft stock kept going up. Were you at all surprised that you went second? Like, was there ever a doubt that you,

Speaker 1 I mean, you're just talking about two and three, so you kind of knew. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't think there ever was a doubt for me that I was going to go high. I think at the time it just made sense.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially, you know, I'm realistic.

Speaker 1 Running back going number two at that time is rare and may not see it again. Yeah.
But for what the team had,

Speaker 1 like the year before, they went 3-13, but everybody got banged up. Everybody got hurt.
Odell got hurt. The year prior, that's when they made it to the playoffs.
They were balling.

Speaker 1 They went to Green Bay and shit to bed. So it was like, from their mindset, they're like, all right, we know what we have in our team.
We can add a weapon. And he'd come in and bring a spark.

Speaker 1 Eli's on the older age, but he still has some balls. I mean, that year

Speaker 1 he threw for like over 4,000 4,000 yards. Damn.
So we were like, it just made sense. And it was like, obviously, I wanted to be there.

Speaker 1 And when I got drafted, I was like, oh, man, like, okay, you mean to tell me we have Eli Manning at quarterback, myself at running back, Odell Beckham Jr., Sterling Shepard, Evan Ingram.

Speaker 1 You guys were fucking stacked for sure. And we balled, like, we, that year, and y'all know it was like football.
margin error every year

Speaker 1 and we lost like eight seven games by like seven points or less right and on offense we were balling Like, Eli had over 4,000 yards.

Speaker 1 Oh, had 1,000 yards, and he didn't play the last four games. Shep had like 800, 700.
Evan had like 800, 700. I had like 2,000 all-purpose.
So it was like, no one ever mentioned that part of it.

Speaker 1 Like, we came in, like, we, our offense, we did what we had to do. Like, we were putting the points, we were scoring.
We just wasn't finding ways to win games. Yeah, that could be frustrating.

Speaker 1 Next year, everything started changing. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I remember that stint with New York, and I think it was right at the tail end right there with Eli. And offense was putting up, the defense was kind of trying to figure things out.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the way it goes in the NFL. It changes quickly.
But that rookie year in 2018, were you, I guess, what was your welcome to the NFL moment? Like,

Speaker 2 whether it be like a veteran saying something, we already talked about the punch of cock story.

Speaker 1 JJ Watt.

Speaker 2 JJ Watt.

Speaker 1 J.J. Watt.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Let me take that back to the first time. Mr.

Speaker 1 First was Eli Manning.

Speaker 1 You go into the building and it's like, shit, that's fucking Eli Manning. You know what I mean? I was a fan of the game.

Speaker 1 I'm into that. I respect,

Speaker 1 I'm a big fan of y'all. I'm into that.
So it was like, okay, that's Eli Manning. But in-game, we're playing Houston, and we had a counter to the left.

Speaker 1 He won on the backside and still got to me before, as I was getting the ball.

Speaker 1 That doesn't make sense. You guys know, you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 That doesn't make sense. I've been that guy on the backside of the block trying to get him, and he made that.

Speaker 1 And that's what made JJ so dangerous.

Speaker 2 He was good enough to back door it and still.

Speaker 1 back door and still yeah it boomed me too like boom me like it was like

Speaker 1 like a boom i was like whoa when i'm looking i'm like and then when you go back like it was crazy in the moment and then when you go back and you're watching film and it's like i'm just like no way he did that like there's no way he did that and how do you know the ball was going over there like he's bro he was he that yeah him i'm trying to think fletch cox fletch that moment that story that's a funny story that's a great one um but yeah jj bro he was he was uh ink luke luke was oh

Speaker 1 pepper julius pepper

Speaker 1 bro

Speaker 1 julius peppers yeah all the famous peppers dude just we had a run enormous just like what the fuck are you human bro he walks up next to you across from the line he's got the visor on you're just like bro what the fuck are you i'm pretty strong

Speaker 1 i'm a pretty strong dude at least i like to believe i am yeah he manhandled me like embarrassing like it was a play where like i bounced and it was like a dead play like we blew the whistle And he had me like this.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, oh, you know, like, you know, football is like, you know, you get into a little bit. And I'm like, bro, like,

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 it didn't go nowhere.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, and it didn't go nowhere again. I'm like, man, you got it, bro.
Like, you know, I'm like, let me go. Like, you got it.
Like, like, that was, that's probably, those are my moments.

Speaker 1 Breath. Like, come on.
See this?

Speaker 1 You can't do that. There's no reason you should be that damn strong.
And, like, that was like the first time I experienced like grown men strength. Bro.
Like, not weight room strong, like, just hands.

Speaker 1 Man.

Speaker 2 When somebody's hands are so strong that you feel like they just have complete control over you, it is the most like, oh, wow. This guy is another level of strength.
I felt that with Fletcher Cox.

Speaker 2 And oddly enough, Clay Matthews was the other one that had that.

Speaker 1 Clay,

Speaker 2 he just had some strong-ass hands.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, I talked smack to the wrong guy, James Harrison, man.

Speaker 1 That's not a smart one to talk to. Two courts.
You know who I'm going to, I'm going to

Speaker 2 Captain Bison.

Speaker 1 I'm out here.

Speaker 1 I'm out. I ain't ain't fighting.

Speaker 1 Sometimes,

Speaker 1 cross from it. Whoever, you know what I mean? Anybody can get it.
I mean, you can, man. Anybody can get it.
I ended up getting his wrath because

Speaker 1 he played that outside backer position where sometimes he'd be over number two in the slot. We're playing in Pittsburgh.
I talk a little bit of shit to him.

Speaker 1 He's staring at me again with the black visor. Can't really see if he's looking at me, but I know he's looking at me

Speaker 1 because he

Speaker 1 doesn't say anything. yeah

Speaker 1 couple quarters go by i'm looking in at the ball because it's silent cadence

Speaker 1 timed it up perfect wow

Speaker 1 just absolutely smoked me off the line of scrimmage fucked up the whole play i'm going to alex like

Speaker 1 i don't know what you want me to do there i'm looking in at the ball yeah he's looking at my blind side obviously uh never talk shit to him again so yep smart were there any uh things that made you do as a rookie in new york any rookie hazing or nah We had a sing.

Speaker 1 You go up there, you sing, go up there, you say your contract, where you're drafted.

Speaker 1 Eli was a little prankster.

Speaker 1 He got me one time. You gotta watch out for those mannings.
Yeah, right. He had like this thing where he threw grass in my mouth.

Speaker 1 He's sitting there. He's like, man, like,

Speaker 1 my tooth been, like, hurting me a little bit.

Speaker 1 Like, out of nowhere, too. Like, we in practice, and I'm like, damn, like, probably, you know, you got a lot of money.
You probably should go get that. Check that out.

Speaker 1 like he's like he's like no like you see it i was like he's like no like look i'm gonna show you what it is and i'm like

Speaker 1 just threw grass in my mouth and i was like what a great part

Speaker 1 and it is like at that moment you just like you like you just start laughing and stuff and i'm just like that's probably like my only

Speaker 1 thing and like i stole this from him he'll like like i'll do to the rookies i'll get the rookies where like he'll put the water bottle and then he'll twist it and it's not really on

Speaker 1 you know what i mean and then the rookies drink it and he never got me but i gotta get him. You gotta get him after a long drive drill, too.
Yeah, yeah, act like you're going over to help him.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, man, way to run, way to run. Boom.

Speaker 1 You need some water?

Speaker 1 You look thirsty.

Speaker 1 Dang, so you never had any Popeyes on the planet or anything?

Speaker 1 Y'all funny for real, though.

Speaker 1 Y'all actual funny.

Speaker 1 I don't want to fuck with it, man.

Speaker 1 No, I'm Chick-fil-A. I'm on Chick-fil-A.
Okay, there you go. Y'all are nice.
You got the Chick-fil-A?

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Oh, I was just talking.
Yeah, you want to go and get it?

Speaker 1 Jason has a story where he had to go and get Popeyes and was actually late to the plane or just bailed on the Popeyes so he wasn't late to the plane. Jay Stew, Jonathan Stewart, was my vet.

Speaker 1 So that's why I don't, I don't, all the rookies, I don't make him get candy. I don't make him do nothing.
He was Carolina for a while, right? Carolina. And he ended his career

Speaker 1 with the Giants. And it's like, I guess you kind of a reflection of your vet because he didn't have me do anything i think i paid for one

Speaker 1 one lunch and that was like we had like a uh joint practice or whatever in detroit and that's the only thing that i could remember so it's like for me it's like when i have my rookies and stuff that now that i'm the vet like i really don't make him really do too much only thing i'll probably make him do is like uh after practice um probably take my helmet or take my shoulder pass that's what that's really it's the only thing i had to do i don't do anything for the tight ends either because i benefit from the offensive line the offensive line you guys fucking put your guys through the ringer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's everywhere, right? Every offensive line room.

Speaker 1 If there's one thing O-Line,

Speaker 2 if there's one thing O-Line ain't messing around with, it's food.

Speaker 1 You got to get that food taken away.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This is sweet, man.
You rushed for 106 yards and scored a 68-yard touchdown in your first ever NFL game. What did that feel like when you got in that zone after that tutty, man? Yeah.
Amazing.

Speaker 1 It was a,

Speaker 1 it was kind of like a, you know, full circle moment because you think, you know, you can do it. Like, you know what you did in college.
Was it in Medlife too? Yeah, it was in Medlife.

Speaker 1 So I really didn't. I would have cried.
I didn't have a great game, the whole game, I guess you could say.

Speaker 1 I don't think I would play bad, but like, that's when Jacksonville was like that. The defense.
The dogs.

Speaker 1 Campbell, Jalen,

Speaker 1 Smith, like all of them. That was the year they just lost to New England.
Tampa Bay. The game was playoffs.
Yeah. Or, yeah.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
New England. New England.
Tampa's. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about New England. Yeah.
Tom Brady, I'm over here going straight to Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 I'm screwing that up.

Speaker 1 So my first game, I'm like, I'm like, I'm going against these monsters. But when I scored that touchdown, I had

Speaker 1 pretty sick. I was able to, like, basically all the stuff that they said I wasn't going to be able to do in the NFL because you only could do it at a college level.
I did it in that run.

Speaker 1 So it was like more of like, all right, like, I took it in, but at the time, I was like, oh, like, this is, this is just football. Yeah.
Like, this is football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, well, when you're Saquon, it's just football.

Speaker 2 Yeah, everybody, I feel like when you're going in your rookie year, like the first time you're going out there, you don't know what to expect.

Speaker 2 You know, you played great up until that moment, but it's like, man, what is this going to feel like?

Speaker 2 But yeah, when you break four tackles and run a 68-yard touchdown, I feel like you're like, yeah, I got this.

Speaker 1 It was more of a,

Speaker 1 it was more of like, and I remember,

Speaker 1 and then, like, at first, I let it sit in. Like, and then, like, the crowd started bugging, and I just started feeding off their energy.
And so I started yelling.

Speaker 1 I'm like, ah, like, yeah, like, I'm really like that. I'm really like that.

Speaker 1 I told you. And then we had a two-point conversion.

Speaker 1 Got locked up. I ain't no shit.

Speaker 1 I ran the ball. They handed it off.
And no man. Damn.
Wasted a little too much energy. I know how that goes.
The Giants have played the Eagles 13 times over the past six years.

Speaker 1 You were on the team over there in New York. You know, I got to go to the record.
No, no, no. We don't.
We don't. The Eagles have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, we know. Yep.
Hey, that's in the past. That's in the past.
That's in the past. Just want to know your

Speaker 1 favorite moment of the rivalry.

Speaker 1 We don't want to talk about the record. My favorite moment of the rivalry.
I would say it was a playoffs game. Like,

Speaker 1 before we even got to the coin toss, like,

Speaker 1 I'm in that mindset. I'm like, you know how you get in that mode.
Like, I'm like, all right, boom, boom. And we just, we just went to Minnesota and played.
That's a bad playoff football. Yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing it, bro. I can't.
Like, that's like one thing. Like, I never, it took me so long.
It took me five years to even get to that moment.

Speaker 1 And to like not being in there this year, like, that's like, you're like, once you get in there, it's addicted. And I can't imagine, like, you guys done at the highest level.

Speaker 1 You won Super Bowl and you obviously won multiple. It's like, so I can't even imagine what that feel like.
But I remember I'm in my bed.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm in, you know, you're talking to yourself, and all you hear is like, that's when the Uzi song was popping.

Speaker 1 And then them motherfuckers came out. And like, it was like, I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 Jason was doing Lil Uzi and then I was like, bro, like, this is real. Like, like, Minnesota was crazy.
Like, the environment was crazy. Like, it was dope.

Speaker 1 That's another stadium that kind of gives like a college feel. Oh, yeah.
What? The Lincoln? Yeah. Yeah.
No, I'm talking about Minnesota. I'm not talking about Minnesota.

Speaker 2 He's talking about because they beat Minnesota to come play us.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just like, boom, you hear that. This ain't what you want.
Then they started walking out. I was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So that's probably my favorite moment because a lot of moments was games that we lost.

Speaker 1 Environments, though.

Speaker 1 You'll remember those environments forever.

Speaker 2 That's dope. You know, obviously, wasn't beating the Eagles.
So you guys had to deal with a lot of change up in New York. You know,

Speaker 2 what have you learned from the three different head coaches you played for?

Speaker 1 They got their own style.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everybody got their own style. They're all different.
I'm now going here. It's probably going to be like my seventh or eighth running back coach in like seven years, going on my seven year.
Wow.

Speaker 1 So that's definitely tough.

Speaker 1 And, you know, that's why I admire all those guys that were there there and still there in New York because you guys know like situations and stuff can really really help your career out and of course we've been tossed around thrown around this head coach that head coach and I believe I still believe obviously I'm not there tomorrow I still believe Brian Dable is a really I don't believe I know he's a really good coach and

Speaker 1 he's the right guy to get him back on track but it's tough As a player, because this coach likes this, this coach like this, this coach like this.

Speaker 1 What it's taught me, though, is like, I feel like I'm able to adapt into whatever, you know, whatever the culture that they're trying to bring.

Speaker 1 And that was like my main message to Nick, to coach Teriani. It was like, you tell me, you know, what you want from me, not only as a player, but as a leader.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to try my best every single day to go out and capitalize that and to go out and take advantage of it. But that's what I learned to be able to adapt

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 taught the business side of it before I got into the business side of it. Like, you don't get numb.

Speaker 1 Like, when coaches leave, it hurts, but it's not like, you know, my first coach is like, damn, like, damn, fuck, like, I let him down. Like, you know what I mean? That's on, that's on me.

Speaker 1 And then now you learn, like, you know what it is. It's a business.
Like, for some, I had coaches leave for a good reason. Like, my coach Nick's, he just left to be the OC

Speaker 1 for Syracuse. So that's what it taught me.
The business side of it and how to be able to adapt. And

Speaker 1 really knowing that no matter what, you can't complain. You can't complain about your situation.
No one cares.

Speaker 1 So don't go whining. Nobody does.
Just put your head down and come in every day ready to work and try to win and and compete. I commend you for having that mindset, though, man.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of people are owning up and having that type of mentality to take it to heart and call themselves out first in some regards and just to make sure that I need to do everything I possibly can.

Speaker 1 And if I need to make that get better, which I've never turned on a game film and

Speaker 1 have said

Speaker 1 or like haven't said,

Speaker 1 I need to get that better. Every single game that I've ever watched

Speaker 1 of myself in terms of scouting myself, I'm like, man, I got to be better. I got to be better.
I got to be better.

Speaker 1 I don't think enough guys in the league hold themselves to that type of caliber and that accountability.

Speaker 2 So I commend you, brother.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Appreciate that.

Speaker 2 And it gets hard with the turnover. Like, I feel like

Speaker 2 every time there's like coaching changes or there's like a bad season, like Travis saying, a lot of people start either pointing fingers, some guys are taking accountability, but it tries to tear guys apart.

Speaker 2 That's the hardest thing in my mind with transition is like, how do you keep,

Speaker 2 how do you keep bringing everybody back to like hey we're on this we're all doing this thing together we're all growing in the same direction right um you know what's so crazy though what's that that's why in new york i never understood

Speaker 1 why

Speaker 1 we didn't have more success than we should have because like i'm a firm believer in like what you what you put in and what you get out i'm with you on that even all of like the turnovers and like this is like this for like obviously the guys that's been there and the guys that are still there right now like when i tell you buying in yeah and like if you know the history like shrimer judge dabes all three different totally people two different three different totally people like those guys that are still there right now and when i was part with them like no matter what bought in bought in bought in and worked and worked and whatever was asked we tried our best we tried our best and just bro the nfl is hard like people do not understand that that's like what like what you guys are doing right now in kin city but you and pat like had to talk to that motherfucker because like from the outside like when you get in the league and you actually in you know it's easy from like a a fan's point of view, but like when you actually in it, like it's like so much more respectable.

Speaker 1 It's like, bro, it's tough. Like, even when you do shit the right way, even when you work hard, like,

Speaker 1 it's still football. Like, you got somebody can lay on you this way.
There's

Speaker 1 an element of love. It's like, yeah, bro, it's crazy.
I'm with you, man. How about my guy, Mike Kafka over there?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Kafke's.

Speaker 1 He actually played with Jason and then came to Casey. Yeah.
And, yeah, you already know he was one of my favorite offensive lines.

Speaker 1 You've been with a lot of former Eagles guys.

Speaker 2 Like Pat was with me.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I forgot. Shermer was there.

Speaker 2 Sherm was with us with Chip.

Speaker 1 He went to Philly, then Minnesota. Yep.
And then Tijan.

Speaker 2 Then came to New York.

Speaker 1 I love Kafka. I like Kafka because it's like this season,

Speaker 1 I feel like you learn more about people when shit's not going on. There's no question.

Speaker 1 When shit's easy. When shit's easy, it's easy to show up.

Speaker 1 And by any means, like the Giants' offense,

Speaker 1 when I was with them, obviously say we when I was with them, we were awful this year.

Speaker 1 For a lot of reasons. I mean, like I said, it's easy to point if you can say this, but Calf every single day was the same person.
He's going to show up, baby. Every single day.

Speaker 1 Every single day. I'm with you on that.

Speaker 1 Jason, you want to get into the running back market?

Speaker 2 For sure.

Speaker 2 We've heard for a while now there's a narrative out there that the running back position has been devalued.

Speaker 2 You know, you just became the highest paid running back in Eagles history by notoriously a GM that does not like to pay running backs. So congratulations.

Speaker 1 All right, now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you think it's starting to shift or do you think it's,

Speaker 2 I mean, I guess I'll lead this a little bit. You already said this a second ago.
I feel like it hasn't been devalued for guys that can do a lot. You know what I mean? Like you're a weapon.

Speaker 2 You're not just a standard running back. You can be that, but you can do everything else.

Speaker 1 Is that fair to say that that's where it feels like those guys are still premier players like mccafferty uh you know yourself yeah um yeah check it yep yeah um i agree with everything that you're saying 100

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 yes that for the guys that are able to do multiple things and view it as a weapon uh i don't think that the market because like i'm not gonna get into numbers and what teams offer me and stuff like that obviously i'm happy with the decision i'm made but it's like like i said there's a media look on it but it's like when i got to the open market like what i believed in myself and that's why i didn't set what the giants offering before i felt like i can get more yeah it was like i had a had a good bit of teams you know that really was like all about me coming there and you know with the price points uh being up there i think it's a trend

Speaker 1 It's just like the thing that was said last year. I kind of think there's some little BS behind it because all the premier backs got tagged last year.
So we had no chance.

Speaker 1 We had no chance to get paid. And it's like, all right.
And then when you get tagged, like being tagged is the worst position to be in and anything. Like you have no leverage.

Speaker 1 It's literally like they offer you this and it's like,

Speaker 1 what are you going to do if you're not going to play? Yeah. And it's like, who's going to turn down $10 million? That's tough, man.
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 But I'm happy where, like, what I was able to get and shout out to my agent and shout out to my team. Like, they worked their ass off of me.

Speaker 1 I felt like, you know, did I go and beat Christian and, you know, reset the market? No.

Speaker 1 And that's like, if you heard what I said before the year prior like my whole intention was to never reset the market like that's to get the value that you deserve that I feel like I deserve that's something I felt like was fair for me and that would take care of me and my family that's your goal you want to get to the second contract but I feel like where I got it's like all right now

Speaker 1 Bijan Jameer Najee like y'all boys like go beat me yeah right

Speaker 1 no no I mean I'm a competitor like I'm trying to go out this year especially with the situation I'm in now I'm trying to be the best running back like

Speaker 1 no question about about it. But let's push each other.
Let's all drive it. It's easy to say, what they're doing to the running backs is not fair.
And I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 There's guys, you know, I'm not taking shots of anybody, but there's receivers in positions

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 have 600, 500 receiving yards or this amount of stats, and they're getting paid more than running backs. And it's like, it's buggers.
It really is buggers. It's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But like, even like the same thing with tight ends, it's like you, you're not just a tight end. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 It's like, and you got wide receivers that are probably making a fuck ton more money than you.

Speaker 2 With less production.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's not fair. But now it's like what I got, like, all right, like I said, Bijan, Najee, Jameer, all those guys,

Speaker 1 go do y'all part. Go do what y'all got to do.
And then we're going to keep trending upward. Remember, I'm not saying we're going to get in the 20s and the 30s.
That was my big thing with,

Speaker 1 you know, Tigi.

Speaker 1 That was my thing with Tiki. It was like...
What he said is like, you're... Tigi, you're an ex-running back.
Like, you're an ex-NFL player. Like, I get fans being upset about me going to Philly.

Speaker 1 Like, obviously, they don't get the business side of it. Like, they're trying to really make it seem like it was me.
I picked the Giants over Philly. Yeah, like, out of spite almost.

Speaker 1 It's like, come on. I didn't have, like, first of all, the Giants didn't even offer me.
Like, they didn't even, like, it wasn't my option. I had four teams, but like, the Giants weren't my option.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's wild. But Tiki, like, you used that moment to...

Speaker 1 Like, it wasn't even what he said because he's like, oh, chunking the cheek or whatever he said. Yeah, it was trying to be funny.

Speaker 1 It was a week leading up to that before when it first came out that the Eagles and I had interest. And he's like, you're going to be dead to this fan bitch.
You're going to do this.

Speaker 1 You're going to do that. It's like, I love seeing NFL guys.
I love seeing OGs. I love seeing you guys.
You have a platform. And like, this is a place where, you know, you know ball.
You can talk.

Speaker 1 You can educate fans. It's like, maybe use that time to show.

Speaker 1 Maybe this is why Saquon is going to Philly. Or maybe this is why he's going to use it.
The business side of it. Use that to show.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm not saying you got to have loyalty to me because I don't care for that, to be honest. But you are are ex-NFL player.
You are ex-NFL athlete. It's like, don't feed into the BS.

Speaker 1 It's like, let fans do that. Like, they're supposed to do that.
They're emotional.

Speaker 1 Honestly, if fans wouldn't be mad that I went from New York to Philly, that means I did nothing when I was in New York, whether off the was on the field or off the field.

Speaker 1 Like, that means I made an impact at some point. That's the reason why fans were so torn apart about it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I see like my jersey getting burned, my family was getting threats, like my house. It's like, oh, yeah.
I see that part of it. So it's like...

Speaker 1 We grew up in Cleveland, so we've seen a whole bunch of LeBron jerseys getting burned. And all of a sudden, he came back and won a championship for it.
Good thing I didn't burn mine.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying I'm on that man's level. I'm not saying Bron, not.
He's a whole different. LeBron? Yeah, he's a whole different beast.

Speaker 1 He's a whole different beast.

Speaker 1 What I was basically trying to say to get to, I guess, was like the running back market, what they're doing, how they're devaluing. It's like...
It's easy to say it's not fair, but it's on us.

Speaker 1 It's on us to change the narrative. It's on us to go out there and go ball, stay healthy, go ball.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it wasn't like a big drop-off like where Christian and Alvin, those guys getting like, it could have been a big drop-off. It could have been 8, 10, but it's 12 and it's 13 or whatever.

Speaker 1 It's like now, like, okay, like, all right, like Bijan, all them young boys, y'all do what y'all got to do. Keep moving the needle, man.
Keep moving the needle.

Speaker 2 Yeah, is this fair to say, too? Because I feel like there's more opportunities now for the running back potentially than ever.

Speaker 2 I mean, I know more teams are going pass heavy, unless they're a Shanahan-style offense, but like defenses continually go to these shale middlefield open defenses.

Speaker 2 And I feel like the running back is like your best friend, whether you're running it or throwing it when people are in the two-show, right?

Speaker 1 They drop back, nothing's there, drop it off. And they want to stay in that, and you have a really good running back and a good scheme, run the ball on them.
And then it opens up the pass game.

Speaker 2 I've never understood, too, like, even if you got a backer matching you off the ball, like, bro, throw it to this dude and make that guy make an open field tackle.

Speaker 1 Like, it's going to be one-on-one. That's what I'm saying.
Like, now that ain't good enough you gotta have somebody else down there we like that but we like

Speaker 1 well congrats on moving the needle and doing your job brother i think it's uh it's awesome to be able to keep stacking and uh and keep making that position um get the value that it's uh it's deserved because it's you already know it's been sick for everybody to kind of see that throughout the league knowing how much of a wear and tear you guys take between the tackles and how much you guys really can do to help a team win man you know there were a lot of running backs that changed teams I feel like, I mean, damn near half the league, the running backs, like, switched over.

Speaker 2 Are there any guys that you're like excited to watch in like their new places?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm excited for all of them. I'm excited to see what Swift can do in Chicago.
I think that's a unique spot over there.

Speaker 1 I like what they're building there, too. Jacobs.
Yeah, Ryan Paul's over there. Yeah, I'm a big fan of a big fan of Jacobs game.
I'm excited to see all the backs.

Speaker 1 When I say this, I'm actually a true fan of the game. Yeah.
I like watching those guys. I genuinely like watching Christian, like, studying him or, you know, studying Derek,

Speaker 1 studying those guys, seeing what they're able to bring to the table. And it's like, got that, you educating yourself, got the air you dight mentality.
Yeah. I see you.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I want all those guys to go out there and ball because, like, that pushes me. That motivates me.
It's like, at the end of the day, I said it before during Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's like Christian McCaffrey, in my opinion, is the best running back in the NFL. That pains me to say because I'm a competitor.

Speaker 1 And this is the era I'm playing in, and I'm playing at the same time as him. So it's like, I don't want him to be number one.
So it's like, respect, watch, learn from him. I could pick up some pieces.

Speaker 1 And that should drive and motivate me to try to, you know, get to Philly and be like, all right, let's really see who the best. It's all up here, baby.
It's all up here. We're going to see this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Woo-hoo.

Speaker 2 Let's get the no-dumb questions.

Speaker 1 Let's answer some not dumb questions because there's no such thing as dumb questions, just dumb people. And we got a smart one with us, ladies and gentlemen.
Ha ha.

Speaker 1 Us two dummies over here answering these half the time.

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Speaker 1 Brandon, don't even.

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 ridiculous. All right, we're getting better at that, though.
We're getting better at that. For this one, we thought we'd

Speaker 1 do a throwback and bring one of our favorite questions for Saquon to answer.

Speaker 1 At Vink

Speaker 1 Isaac, yep, nailed it. Could an average person gain one yard on a rushing play in the NFL?

Speaker 1 Yeah. The average person? Look at Jets Jake right now.

Speaker 2 Jet Jake, come on camera so we can see what you look like.

Speaker 1 Jet, come on. Come on up here.

Speaker 1 I play, I gotta say yes now. I'm just dissing.
I'm the dissonance.

Speaker 1 No harsh feelings here. He's a Jets guy himself as well.

Speaker 1 Do you play any ball back in University? No. No?

Speaker 1 There we go. If you had to like run a 40 right now, like under six seconds? No chance.
No chance. So you're just,

Speaker 1 you're not helping helping the cause at all. Not at all.
I would just like, what's the play? 43. What's the, like, what's the 20, 20 vision? That's a start.
What's the play?

Speaker 1 I got, I can't, like, actually, I got to say, there's a game I had because the New York Jets had 13 carries and one rushing yard. Holy cow.

Speaker 1 And I would say I'm a pretty good running back. At least you got one.

Speaker 1 So you're probably not getting it. Yep.
Yeah. Average person's probably not getting one yard.
And he's out. All right.

Speaker 1 Had to think that one through.

Speaker 2 I think about it sometimes because, like, if any, like, if a guard and a tackle destroy a double team, like, anybody could probably get a yard, but you got to think about

Speaker 1 how long it's going to take them to get to the double team.

Speaker 1 He ain't getting it.

Speaker 2 And how fast everything changes.

Speaker 1 I've told us best. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 1 They wouldn't even know. If the average guy's just Jake, if his outside zone knows not a shot.
My bad, Jake.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 You're above average in

Speaker 1 my heart.

Speaker 2 Above average person.

Speaker 1 Way above average person. That's what matters.
We don't. We don't.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 All righty.

Speaker 2 Question: Everybody wants to know.

Speaker 2 Who can squat more, you or Jalen Hurts?

Speaker 1 Ooh. That's not even close.
You think it's not even close?

Speaker 1 Jalen? Jalen's got you? No.

Speaker 1 What? No. I'm like,

Speaker 1 I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more.
But like,

Speaker 1 when I was really in that mindset of squatting and like squat off, I would put myself up there with a lot of people.

Speaker 2 I'm watching this clip of,

Speaker 2 let's say, Quad squatting 585 right now.

Speaker 1 Was that in college? Nah, that was not. No, this is the pro.
Damn. Yeah.
And it's not even remotely difficult.

Speaker 1 I don't max out anymore. Like, stuff like that.
Like, that's like when you, those days are one of those days where it's like, you're like, oh, let's just push the fucking needle a little bit.

Speaker 1 Like, let's put something on you and try it. Yeah.
Just put a car on our back. Jalen Strong, he's probably the strongest quarterback in the NFL.
He could squat ever.

Speaker 1 T-Boe squatting 600 pounds. He was T-Bow squatting.
T-Bow's a bit, pretty big, dude. He had to be.
He's a quarterback.

Speaker 2 Wow. Well, you know, Jalen powerlifted when he was a queen.

Speaker 1 T-Boo's a quarterback. I'm a quarterback.
Wow.

Speaker 1 What? I'm not a quarterback. Five shots.
He played the same two. He moved to tight end.
His last. Yep, bring it together.
His last game was a tight end. That's all I'm saying.
Fair feature.

Speaker 1 I do a touchdown in the playoffs. All right.
now.

Speaker 2 After watching those two clips, that 585 squat was damn impressive.

Speaker 1 Jalen's pretty strong. He don't got anything.
Shout out to Debo, too. He's my favorite college football player.
Behind Cam Newton and Reggie Bush. I'm a better one squat, like one rep match.

Speaker 1 Same. Yeah, I'm not like a bad.
Like you burn out quick. You're more of like a more explosive.

Speaker 1 Put it on, give me the number, sit down, and stand the floor belt.

Speaker 2 Do you know what the most you've ever squatted is?

Speaker 1 The most I probably ever put on my back was in the the 600s, but it's college, NFL. I never really

Speaker 1 do. We don't do one rep max.

Speaker 1 Ran out a bar. You can't put the weights don't even fit on the bar at that point.
You got the bands holding it on at that point. Yeah, right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's when you look like a U. It just looks like a U when you pull it off of the rack.
That's right. Do you use the Valsalvo technique?

Speaker 1 It's where Jason. You fill up with air.

Speaker 1 You fill up with air.

Speaker 1 You might be.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, I guess when you got quads as good as saquan you don't need to belt south

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 we had to use everything we could

Speaker 1 every technique that we possibly could have you ever uh flexed out

Speaker 1 what does that mean like you like

Speaker 1 and then like you get and then all of a sudden you get real lightheaded and then just hit the and fall yeah not it's it's a thing on tick tock people have it all the time i never i haven't i've got lightheaded one of my favorite segments i i don't think i really

Speaker 1 just passed out.

Speaker 1 Flexing out. I had like the, you know, how we had like this thing called Art Fest, and like, it was a time where everybody would go out and party.

Speaker 1 And like, around the same time, we would do our max out week. So I had like, those are the weeks where it would be more of like, you know,

Speaker 1 you got it. You really maxed out.
Probably. I think about it.
Like, in college, like, you were able to do some cool stuff.

Speaker 1 It was different. You ain't lying.
Who is in your running back Mount Rushmore? You can put yourself.

Speaker 1 I got shamed. I got shamed for doing it.

Speaker 1 But like, you are. You can't put yourself in there.
Shame.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'll be real.
Yeah. You're definitely for sure up there and top four.
Me, not yet. I haven't done anything, in my opinion.
Hopefully, going to Philadelphia Eagles, you know,

Speaker 1 change that up. I can't save my legacy.
I can see it right now. But Mount Rushmore.
All right. I got to go Barry.
Barry's the best

Speaker 1 player of all time with the ball in his hand. Yeah.
The best running back of all time. I'm talking about pass blocking,

Speaker 1 inside the tackles, outside tackles, catching.

Speaker 1 Walter, Peyton. Okay.
Sweetness. Sweetness.
And this one gets tricky.

Speaker 1 Because there's one that was like you have to put up there. And my man just shake his head because he probably knows how to say you have to.

Speaker 1 And like, I know people like argue, like, well, he played back in that time. And you got to go Jim Brown.
Jim? Yeah. yeah,

Speaker 1 Jimethy. Jimothy.
You gotta go, Jim Brown.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're talking to two Browns fans. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then.

Speaker 1 He was God.

Speaker 1 Emmett has

Speaker 1 the record. Right.

Speaker 1 I love Curtis Martin. I'm not saying he's up there.
Curtis Martin's

Speaker 1 one of my favorite running backs.

Speaker 1 Do I go Marshall or LT, man?

Speaker 2 I was about to say LT.

Speaker 1 It's L T or Marshall Fault for me. Yeah.
It's if I know as you said four, but I'll say 4A, A4B. Like, that's it.

Speaker 1 Jim Brown got to be in there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I know he did it at a time, but like, I was, like, I have a book, and like, like I said, my son loves football.

Speaker 1 It's like the NFL top 100 book. And like, I was just going through it and showing pictures.
He's always like, dad, dad, football, football.

Speaker 1 Like, we're looking, and like, they just have Jim Brown stats on it. And I was like, like, he led the league in Russia.

Speaker 1 Like, he only played like eight years, and he led it, I'm pretty sure, every single year. And he was like a three-time MVP.
Yeah. Like,

Speaker 1 I don't care. That's not easy to do.
And his

Speaker 1 stats. He can act.
Yeah, he can. Yeah, that's right.
He can act. He's highlighting.
He was a cross-predator, too, right? He was looking for a crazy thing. That was right.
Across the Syracuse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but his stats also hold up.

Speaker 2 And I think they only played like 14-game seasons when he was in the NFL, too. So his stats are still

Speaker 2 imperative with two extra games.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, he did play with white DBs. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 which is coming back around. There's a new one coming.
It's coming full circle. Listen.

Speaker 1 Just saying. They might hold up then.

Speaker 1 They might keep holding up.

Speaker 2 I believe it when I see it.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 We could show up to 30 seconds of NFL footage on this show. What 30 seconds of Saquon footage should we have on?

Speaker 1 Ooh, what's your favorite highlight? All right. One that

Speaker 1 shows the type of player I am. It would be against you guys or us now.
I gotta get used to this.

Speaker 1 Us now.

Speaker 1 Rookie year caught a screen. I didn't score, but I had like a pretty dope screen against it.
It was a chip screen, and I like cut across the field. And yeah, that looks like it.

Speaker 1 I think I vaguely remember exactly the one you're talking about because I always watched his games.

Speaker 1 Setting up a screen for Barkley. Blocking in front, first down, and more into Eagle territory.
Still going.

Speaker 1 Incredible. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's another one. You get up out of your seat, like, good.

Speaker 1 He. You just hear Berman in the back.
You're like, good. He, go.

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 I was so tired. I don't think I've ever been more tired

Speaker 1 after a play than that play. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, you were going like almost numbers the numbers. It was like high school.
Like, yeah. It was.

Speaker 1 Not the level. I'm saying like

Speaker 1 that's just dope. We did a little digging and saw that March 14th is Saquon Barkley Day.

Speaker 1 In Pennsylvania, that's a day. You already have your own day

Speaker 1 in PA. That's dope.

Speaker 1 What goes down on Saquon Day?

Speaker 1 How do people celebrate in your hometown?

Speaker 1 They just squat. No, yeah.

Speaker 1 Leg extensions. You have VMOs firing.

Speaker 2 The shortest shorts possible.

Speaker 1 Get the quads out. Wow.
How do you guys know that?

Speaker 1 Funny story. The day I signed, Philly, was March 14th.
It was Saquon Barkley Day. Yeah, nice.
I told my mom mom that.

Speaker 1 I didn't want people to really know that.

Speaker 1 I didn't have a day.

Speaker 1 But it's not like you celebrate. It was one day, and I was going to rookie, my rookie year, and I went back to my hometown and

Speaker 1 have like a parade and do the, you know, all that stuff and talk to the talk to the town.

Speaker 1 I don't have a day. I don't know.
But hey, I'll take it. Your hometown knows.
Yeah. I've been trying to convince Philly to get a Jason Kelsey day.
I think, yeah, I think we need one.

Speaker 2 The Jason Kelsey Day is you're not allowed to celebrate Jason Kelsey Day.

Speaker 1 That's what you're doing, Jason Kelsey Day.

Speaker 1 Fair enough.

Speaker 2 Go about his business as usual.

Speaker 1 I have a question.

Speaker 1 If you had a drinking contest, who's winning? At a drinking contest, I'm pretty sure I've beaten Jason the last three to five times. He's

Speaker 2 completely made up. First of all, what's the competition? We're talking about chugging, just chugging a beer?

Speaker 1 So chugging and then like toe-to-toe.

Speaker 1 Toe-to-toe with what? Like,

Speaker 1 who's calling quits? oh um yeah i can definitely drink more volume i don't even think that's a question what

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 what

Speaker 1 you think you can you're already down to 260. i'm talking about 283

Speaker 1 we're in the same weight class now

Speaker 2 yeah i know but i'm 283

Speaker 1 it's march we're in the same weight class right now i don't think you heard that he said you definitely are you're you're you're we're more ingrained you've been drinking more than i am he hasn't stayed out past 10 p.m.

Speaker 1 since 2017.

Speaker 2 Did you not see me at your playoff games this year? Did you not see me at your playoff games this year?

Speaker 1 Do you remember any of that?

Speaker 1 But no, because I was drinking all day.

Speaker 1 This is good. I love the back and forth.

Speaker 2 We're going to have to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 1 I think drinking games, I will destroy him because I got the mental advantage. You're not beating me in.
I'm your brother.

Speaker 1 Beer Pong, I'm not beating you in, for sure not. If you had a shotgun beer, who's winning

Speaker 1 i'm

Speaker 1 the last time

Speaker 1 travis cheated it was after the bills what who's what game was that was it bills

Speaker 2 we didn't shotgun a beer after the bills game did we see this

Speaker 1 i don't remember much at the end of the bills

Speaker 1 i was at the big tree in all game yeah

Speaker 1 you had you you had a shirt on at that point so um yeah all right well it it's on like donkey kong motherfucker is i'm gonna we're gonna figure out we're gonna enter ourselves into this drinking contest maybe at the shore or something.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Are you a beer guy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're so you're saying this like you could probably hold your own.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm pretty.

Speaker 1 We might went to Penn State.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. So now how much of a dry campus? I don't know how much of it

Speaker 1 is.

Speaker 1 I'm kidding. I don't know.
I don't know how much of

Speaker 1 it are now.

Speaker 1 Those games are lit, so they're definitely not doing it just off of spirit. Right, right.

Speaker 1 Those games are fucking out of control. You've been to one.

Speaker 1 Huh? You been to one? No, TV tells you everything. Right, yeah, yeah.
TV tells you everything.

Speaker 1 They might need to get you to beer bowl.

Speaker 2 Your dad is a die-hard Jets fan and has even worn Jets jerseys to games where you guys played against them. If the Eagles played the Jets in the Super Bowl, who would your dad root for?

Speaker 1 The Jets.

Speaker 1 Stuff.

Speaker 2 Stuff's left. He would root for you to have a good game, right?

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm on Saquon to have a good game.

Speaker 1 So he's a Jets fan because he's from New York, but the year he was born was 69.

Speaker 1 There's no way your dad's like, get him! Tackle him! God damn it! He doesn't even wear my jersey. I'm serious.
He doesn't wear my jersey. He wears, I got him a Joe Namath Jets jersey.

Speaker 1 He wears that jersey. I mean, that's a good jersey, that's right.
And that's Joe Namath the year. They won.
That's when he was like, we're going to win the Super Bowl. I guarantee that.

Speaker 1 And the third Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 So he's never saw the Jets win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I'm pretty sure my dad would, I would hope.

Speaker 1 You know, he'll be probably switch up. But if I had to take a guess, I think he probably would cheer for the Jets to win a Super Bowl, which is sad to say out loud.
I love you, Daddy, man.

Speaker 1 At least he, I mean,

Speaker 1 you understand it. You understand it.
I get it. Are you still a big hurdle guy? Yeah, now I am.

Speaker 1 On the advice from what your father even said yeah i'm gonna get back to hurdling now not your father my bad i read that wrong yeah let me ask you to banned travis from hurdling yeah he read the question wrong and at the same time dad all right those are those are instincts that got me to where i am today all right

Speaker 1 i'm gonna hurdle somebody first game next year i love it end up on my head all right here we go what do you got jason the league announced it was banning hip drop shackles today um yeah how do you feel about it i don't know why everyone's like bugging out about that it's like, how often do you actually see that tackle?

Speaker 1 It's not that often. Not that often.

Speaker 1 Everyone on social media, like making it big, they're like, oh, we might as well just change it to flag football.

Speaker 1 And this is like, I can't, I probably only can tell you like in seven years, two times I've been like hit-dropped. Yeah.
So it's like, I don't know how often that happens in the game.

Speaker 1 I could be wrong. I don't know the stats behind it.
There's a reason why they banned it, I guess.

Speaker 1 But it's one of those things. I feel like every time during this year, there's a new rule.
Everyone just go crazy over it, freaks out. We play the first preseason game.

Speaker 1 They're going to look and find for it. They're going to throw the flag just to show that they're doing it.
And then you're going to get into season. It's not going to be a thing.
I hear you.

Speaker 1 I hear you.

Speaker 2 I think that's a very well-reasoned and correct statement. Yeah, I still remember when they started really going after like targeting or like,

Speaker 2 I remember thinking, I was kind of on the other side of that where I was like, man, how is a defensive player going to change this? Like, he's just trying to hit the guy.

Speaker 2 But to the NFL's credit, like, defensive players have, for the most part, stopped doing it.

Speaker 2 Like, they've, I mean, it still happens occasionally, but somehow they have been able to make that adjustment. And I kind of, I'm with you on this.

Speaker 2 I think the hip drop feels weird because it's like, I don't think guys are trying to do that tackle when it happens.

Speaker 2 But I think now, you know, once people get penalized and fined for it, I do think guys are going to go out of their way to not do it, which should, in theory, reduce the amount of injuries when it does happen, even though though it's like you have your guys, like you have your guys, like everyone knows how this person tackles or that person tackles, and they're probably going to have to change it up a little bit.

Speaker 1 But I really don't, like, they're like, how are you supposed to tackle Derek or tackle this guy? And it's like, I like, I'm pretty sure you've been in the league way longer than me.

Speaker 1 You've been in the league way longer than me. Like, really think about how many hip drop tackles

Speaker 1 you've seen. I got the

Speaker 1 eject button. As soon as I start to feel somebody right there, I'm like throwing my feet out.
Yeah, right? I'm just like, no,

Speaker 2 get these feet up off the grass.

Speaker 1 Man, fuck that. Like, I don't even want to think about getting tackled like that.

Speaker 2 The only thing that I think is going to, to what you just said, Saquon, like, they, they call it,

Speaker 2 they're going to make a point of emphasis on it.

Speaker 2 So, are they going to call like guys when they're like rolling and it's really not a hip-drop tackle, but they're going out of the way to like throw the flag?

Speaker 2 I think you're going to see a little bit of that early on, and it's going to piss people off. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't see this being a huge deal.

Speaker 1 this back in my day. You couldn't play back in my day.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You couldn't play.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't make it.

Speaker 1 DMSO. You know what that is?

Speaker 1 Your breath will smell like straight egg salad all game.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you joining us, bro. Man, even cooler in person.
Wish you all the best in Philly, man. You deserve all the money in the world.
You've been doing it the right way.

Speaker 1 Keep doing it the right way, man. And thanks for blessing the 92 percenters of me and Jason, dog.
We appreciate you. Thank you guys.
Appreciate you guys. Honor, honor.

Speaker 2 Man, I can't wait to watch you ball out this year.

Speaker 1 I'm excited, bro. I'm excited.
It'll be fun.

Speaker 1 What a God, man. That shit was fun as hell.
I'll tell you what. You guys are actually funny as hell.

Speaker 1 Trying to have fun with it, man.

Speaker 1 He was awesome, man. Dude, he's great.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be practicing my drinking skills now just to

Speaker 2 make sure I whoop your ass.

Speaker 1 I don't even have to practice. Travis.
It's just what I do. You.

Speaker 2 I was the MVP at Cincinnati drinking games. I still think I got it.

Speaker 2 You're saying I don't got it anymore.

Speaker 1 I'm saying

Speaker 2 I peaked in college.

Speaker 1 If you're not riding a bike, if you're not out there on skates, you don't know how to skate the same.

Speaker 2 I think I proved in the postseason that I still got what it takes.

Speaker 1 Listen, Mahomes.

Speaker 2 Pat even said I was the MVP of the post-Super Bowl Punch.

Speaker 1 God damn it, Pat. Fucking feeding this man this nonsense.

Speaker 2 All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights, everybody. Yep.
Thank you, of course, to say quads, Barkley, for joining the show.

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Speaker 2 And also, make sure to purchase your tickets for our upcoming live show at the University of Cincinnati on April 11th if you want to and are in the area. They are still available.

Speaker 2 Head to gofearcats.com/slash new heights right now to secure your seats. You're not going to want to miss this 92%ers.
It's going to be crazy.

Speaker 1 It's fucking nuts, and I can't wait. Back hit the nip.

Speaker 1 What's the first thing you're doing?

Speaker 2 What's the first thing you're doing?

Speaker 1 Adriatico's pizza.

Speaker 2 Adriatico's?

Speaker 1 Bearcat? Yes. Yep.

Speaker 1 Maybe not a bear cat.

Speaker 1 I'm going to need a full beat.

Speaker 1 I've seen you eat a full bearcat. I'll pick it up.
Dude, which was an impressive feature. And I was bigger than you right now.
You were enormous. I was every bit at 285.

Speaker 2 Might have been the most impressive physical feat I've ever seen you do.

Speaker 1 I got back down to 250 and won a Super Bowl the next year. All right, now.
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Speaker 1 And thank you to the 92 percenters. And thank you, Saquad.

Speaker 1 You

Speaker 1 thank you.

Speaker 1 Acting's hard, but like, I think about it like this: like, why can't I be the big, swole dude that fights in every bike and just fights? It can't be that hard. It can't be that hard.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Just act like I'm getting punched in the face, fight a little bit, end up losing, and then you make money off of it. I'm not trying to be Leo.

Speaker 1 So you're trying to be the next Creed?

Speaker 1 Why not? Let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's make a story. I'm coming to Billy.

Speaker 1 You're going to the right. Why not?

Speaker 2 Seriously, you just throw it out there.

Speaker 2 Stuff happens when it goes out on new heights.

Speaker 1 Just go over to

Speaker 2 speaking into existence.

Speaker 1 Just go over to the Philadelphia Museum and just start running steps. Yeah.
And just punching in.

Speaker 2 Dude, Philadelphia would go freaking crazy.