Saquon Barkley on Eagles Signing, Real Value of Running Backs and Squatting More Than Jalen | Ep 83

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Being in there for less than four hours, you can just feel the energy. Jalen, all these guys are going to be rejuvenated.
So, man, I can't. It's going to be so fun to watch.
You don't got to watch it, you know. I'm not going to come back.
I'm not doing it. Duck that.
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I'm still getting used to this nonsense Jason created. Well, we're still figuring out what we're giving them, but the Golden Baby Trophy will be there.
But either way, we got a bunch of great games teed up for you guys. Yeah, tell them what we got, Jason.
Yeah, man. Well, first of all, there's going to be a competition.
Jocks, athletics versus academics is what they're trying to say, but really it's jocks versus nerds. Everybody knows the game, all right? Everybody knows exactly what it is.
And it's going to be a Cincinnati football version. Cincinnati University Bearcats version.
We got Skyline Chili. We might have some live animals.
We're going to be having students participate against the student athletes. So there's going to be some bragging rights here.
Is that right now? Of course, the proceeds are all, well, some of the proceeds, are going to be going to the Cincy Reigns. That's right, to support the NIL Collective at the University of Cincinnati to help with recruiting and making Bearcats football great.
Get them boys and girls paid. Money falling from the ceiling.
Yeah. Let it rain.
Yeah, we got a bunch of cool stuff. We got trivia.
We got music. We got trivia.
We got Skyline. We got running.
We got catching. We got throwing.
We got a little bit of everything. So these games are going to be fun.
I can't wait. Picture Revenge of the Nerds slash Wipeout slash MXC.
I think that's what we're going for. That's exactly what we're going for actually.
Alright. Let's talk about what we're getting to in this episode.
Let's do it. We've got a special guest here.
You're not going to miss this one. Let's get it on.
All righty. Our guest today is superstar NFL running back out of Whitehall High School.
That's right. He's the record holder for most career rushing touchdowns in Penn State history.
The second overall pick in the 2018 draft. Former Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Two-time Pro Bowler. The man

who apparently is now

on the enemy. Well,

the good guys for us. That's right.

Please welcome Philadelphia Eagle

Saquon Barkley.

Here we go.

I need that.

I wish I got to have you two around.

I need more intros like that.

Every room. We got you, dog.
That's all we do. That's our major right there.
Welcome to New Heights, brother. Yeah, welcome to New Heights.
Cheers, man. Appreciate you taking the time, man.
It's been a pretty wild couple weeks for you. Yeah, but all good things, you know? That's how I try to look at it.
All blessings. Obviously, stressful a little bit.
Had to make some decisions. Those are never easy, man.
Yeah, it's not. You're A1, man.
Obviously, we've met during passing and stuff through all the NFL events and stuff like that. And you pour your heart into it, man.
And you can tell when you do that, you create the relationships and stuff. So I can only imagine how tough it's been for you, bro.
Yeah, knowing you at a place for six years and had a lot of ups and downs, tore my knee, you know, I have a lot of, you know, history there. So, like, knowing you're going to leave and obviously before I even made a decision that I was going to be in Philly, but knowing that's like, oh, like, this story, this chapter's kind of coming to an end.
It definitely sucks, but unfortunately, it's a business and I'm happy. I could be, there's some guys, like, you know, who's trying to find a spot, trying to get in the league, bouncing around.
And I had the opportunity to make a decision where I could further on my legacy and put me and my family in a better situation. You did that, man.
You did that. There were rumors eventually in the beginning that the Eagles were kind of in it.
Were they always kind of like the top choice, or were they the ones kind of trying to make that move happen? I'm going to be honest here, right? This is what the show is for. Really? Probably the first team that had my first interest was Houston.
Ooh. It was Houston.
That would have been dangerous too. I got to communicate with CJ and a couple of those boys.
Nice. But this is before all the, you know you know when you actually put offers on the table and talk to teams and then as it got closer and you start hearing word and it's like okay like you know Philly I probably never imagined myself playing with Philly you know six years ago yeah sure but it was like I get to come back to Pennsylvania.
My family's from Pennsylvania.

My lady, our kids, like grandmas, all that's from Pennsylvania.

So we get to – we're already close.

We even get to get closer.

Nice.

And get a chance to compete.

I got to admire them for afar, admire what he was able to build over there

and get to be able to be in part of that culture.

Oh, yeah.

It was a no-brainer for me.

Hell, yeah.

Yeah, did you grow up – so you grew up in PA, but you were Western PA, right?

Not Eastern.

You guys – you were Eastern?

I'm going to go. able to be in part of that culture, it was a no brainer for me.
Hell yeah. Yeah, did you grow up, so you grew up in PA, but you were Western PA, right?

Nah, Eastern.

Were you guys, you were Eastern?

Oh wow, yeah, Eastern.

Okay.

I'm like, I'm probably 50 minutes from, maybe,

it depends on what time you leave,

like 50 minutes to an hour.

So did you grow up a Byrds fan?

No, no, no, no, no.

No?

I did not, my dad, I was born in New York,

I was born in the Bronx, my dad got a Jets tattoo

like right here.

Oh wow.

Jets Jake's gonna be real happy with this.

I'll see in New York. I was born in the Bronx.
My dad got a Jets tattoo, like, right here. Oh, wow.
Jets Jake's going to be real happy with this. I was a Jets fan growing up my whole life.
So not only did you go to the Giants, but then you went down the street. So you've just been bouncing all around the Jets.
Yeah, really. But the cool thing, like, the cool thing about the Giants story, because the Giants and Jets, obviously, they share a stadium.
So when I was a kid, like,'m always about big on like you know speaking stuff to existence oh yeah like got to me and my dad would drive and if i was sleeping if say we're going for pa to new york my dad would always wake me up or always look at the stadium the stadium before it was my life and be like that i'm gonna play that stadium i'm gonna play that stadium and like i thought it was gonna be for the jets one day yeah uh but just kind of mashed up for me i was two pick and Jets was number three. I'm not saying the Giants passed me.
I would have made it to the Jets. But it was cool for me to be able to, as a kid, have that moment and think about that and dream about that and then put on that and be able to play in that stadium.
That's dope, man. That's dope.
I mean, like you said, you're still playing in that stadium. Yeah, right.
I'm pretty curious, though. How did you get Howie Roseman to throw that much money at a running back? Three years, $37 million? Listen, I will say this.
God damn. I will say this.
A lot of people got to know that, you know, I had a couple good offers. I love to hear that, man.
It was something I needed, like, for your confidence, for your swagger. Like, you hit the open market, and everyone's talking, and you're in the in the rumbles.
Oh, you're going to get this and you're going to get that. This is what a running back market is.
And it's like I was viewed as a weapon. I was viewed as somebody that can come to the team and, you know, I'm not just a bruiser back.
Like they envisioned me, how they use an Alvin, how they use a Christian, and not just saying feel it. Like the teams, you know, all the teams aren't able offer.
So when I had, you know, my offers in place, I was like, alright, what best fit me? Where can I go and have the best opportunity to win, in my opinion? And when you put all the pieces together, it made no sense to be Philly. I love it, man.
Well, we're damn sure excited to have you in Philly. Three years, 37.75 million.
Howie Roseman sure did shell out for Saquon Barkley. Doop, doop, doop, doop.
Yeah, man, and I think you hit it off right away. Your daughter became the star of the show.
Jada asked if you're going to win now, now that you're on the Eagles. Yeah, that, see, I put a tweet out about that.
First of all, it's funny. Well, that ain't right.
You have grown men and women on social media arguing with a five-year-old. That's right.
Just put that out there. But, like, it's funny how the media turns stories.
Like, I told that story. If anything, my teammates know that, or my former teammates, like DJ, Slay.
Like, at the time, I told my teammates that story because it was more embarrassing for me. And they took it like I'm trying to throw a shot at the Giants.
Like, I'm telling you a story that my daughter, we was getting our ass beat by the Eagles so bad and so much in my career that they're like, my daughter's seen the pain and it caused me coming home. They're like, my daughter's like, oh, are we actually going to win now? And everyone tried to spin it.
Like, it's a shot. Oh spin it.
That's what I'm saying. It's a shot at the Giants fans.
But it's like, that made no sense. And I've been noticing recently, you know, just don't respond.
Yeah, no, you got to. You always got to take the high road.
Like everybody who has a daughter or any kids realizes, man, sometimes things just come out and it's natural and it's hilarious. And I thought that was a- It was like a coming to like full circle moment for me.
For sure. When I was telling that story.
I thought it was a pretty cool story. It's like, damn, like this, I had this moment with my daughter.
Obviously it was a embarrassing moment for me. And then, you know, here we are.
And then everyone was just like, oh, he's throwing shots at the Giants. And I'm like, all right, man.
Like, it's not even that deep. It the oldest Wyatt um knows AJ Brown as uh his pink cleats on the field do you like his pink shoes yeah nice you have any fun like your family man do you have any fun like traditions with uh with your kids before or on game days oh yeah me and my daughter have have a handshake a handshake nice we do a little handshake where we do our little stuff and we kiss each other on the cheek.

My son now, he's one.

So he really loves football already, which is kind of crazy to say.

His first word was ball.

Oh, okay.

20 years. We got another one coming up.

It's in the jeans.

How is Quads looking?

He's good. He's an athlete, all right?

He's an athlete. I'll tell you that.
His dad got some pretty good jeans and his mom's a pretty good athlete too, so you gotta make sure we keep him on the right track. He'll be all right.
Hell yeah. Well, let's talk some of the reception in Philly, man.
Everybody's obviously going nuts because of the type of player they just got. Obviously a big family man.
What's it been being on the other side of the Eagles and do you have any like I always love to hear the bad Philly stories of like the fans when you go into there, when you go into the link as an opponent how has it kind of been different and do you have any like good stories from when you were playing? Yeah I think it's been great, the reception has been great, You know, I was there the other day house shopping. I got a free bagel.
Let's go! There you go. Anytime you get something free is for me.
Getting the perks already. If it's free, I need three, baby.
I need three. It was weird because if I was like, when I go back to Philly, like, you know, they would say, they would talk shit and shit, like whatever, like how fans would be.
But like, I would know some of those fans personally because I'm from that area and like my little when I was a kid growing up my nickname's Seisei so it was like I was like Seisei you fucking suck and I'm like you can't see but I'm like I definitely know you like we played high school ball together or something like that that's one thing I haven't got a chance to really do I've been so caught caught up with obviously looking for houses and the movement and then going back and forth with, you know, Giants fans or Tiki. I really haven't got a chance to be able to, like, be able to show how appreciative I am to actually be a Philadelphia Eagle.
Like, I'm a guy, like you said, like, I love it. I want to compete.
Like, I love the culture. I got to see it.
Like, one of my favorite football experiences outside of losing the game was when we played them in divisional playoffs uh the year that they lost to you guys in super ball um like that was a dope experience like my family was there and i got to say like they haven't had that experience since college like because we went to penn state and penn state was jumping so i'm just happy to be a part of that culture like let me clear myself up that's no diss to giants fans or stuff like that you know people could take it but like that's a fun culture and like they showed like a video of the To the to the free agents and they had you talking and he was like if you love the city The city's gonna love you and like that's what I'm excited for I can't wait to get to that place can't wait to embrace that culture and give 110 percent more They'll have fun with it and somebody that we all know has fun Being a Philadelphia Eagle branding Graham EG Hey, what Hey, what up, baby? I just happened to come out and you just on your way, man. So I wanted to give you some love.
Hey, man, can't wait to try to do this thing together. Go enjoy yourself, man.
Get that love, baby. I'm going to hit you.
BG was out front welcoming you in. I'm sure you got some good BG stories.
I'm just happy that he can talk to Smack now.

You'll hear the training camp.

You'll hear the training camp for sure.

We can talk to Smack now.

We can do the training camp, but I don't got here on the field.

Him and Fletch.

Fletch one time, my rookie year.

Fletch and BG, they're great to play against.

I remember one time Fletch tackled me my rookie year.

It was impressive tackles.

I was down the field, and there's no reason why a man that big should be able to be at that spot

I don starting counting. I'm like, nah, there's no way he playing for another 12.
Like this, you know, but BG, BG, we played him divisional playoffs and like he's going crazy. Like he's going ham at decks, which like he don't even got to block decks.
Like you got to, like you had to block decks. He messing my day up.
I'm like, bro, we calm down, BG. We had the coin toss and he just boom, boom, boom, boom.
And I'm just like, and that fired me up. So I can see it now, how it's going to be a dope experience and cool to be a part of that side with him.
Because I remember at that coin toss, you already knew what it was. It's Philly, it's New York, it's the divisional playoffs.
And it was that little standoff moment we all get. And he's out there just yapping.
And it's like, for me, I'm like, that got me going ready to go so it's like i only can imagine being on the same side as him now oh yeah um and not only him all those guys i can't wait i honestly can't wait man you got you got an unbelievable offensive line in front of you have you uh have you ran into anybody uh on the offensive line side yet uh no so funny not funny story i talked to lane uh at the honors and we just chopped off a bit. And he was like, you know, we'll love to have you and stuff like that.
And obviously, you know, the money. And I was like, hey, I just want to win.
So we can make it work. We can make it work.
We can make it work. That overrides everything.
Did you meet anybody else when you were in for the visit or signing? Yeah, in the building. It was insane.
I met everybody.

Okay.

Literally everybody in the span of an hour, two hours.

It could be a bit overwhelming, I'm sure.

So it's like,

I hope the first day I go in,

I had them send me everybody's name

and before I get there,

I'm gonna make sure I go over it

and try to learn everyone.

But I hope I'm not like,

the first day I'm in there

and they're like,

you remember my name?

And I'm like,

it's tough.

I've met so many people. Yeah.
But just even from, like, just being in there for less than four hours, less than three hours, like, you could just feel the energy. You could just feel, like, how upset everybody in that building, not just players.
Like, I'm talking about from top to bottom about the way the season ended last year. Motivated, yeah.
And they're motivated. And it's like, damn, damn, like, all right.
That's refreshing. I'm like, I can't wait to be a part of that.
So I'm like a kid in the candy store. There you go, man.
I'm happy. I got a fresh start.
I can't wait to meet everybody and just go out there and play ball. I'll tell you what, man.
And take that attitude there. Like everybody, you're right.
The season ended with a sour taste in everybody's mouth in the building. But everybody knows the talent that is on the roster.
And with adding you there, dog, I'm telling you, it's in a good spot. And you guys, the potential that can be reached is the best.
And I think that it's going to be an outstanding environment all year round. Jalen all these guys are going to be rejuvenated so man I can't it's going to be so fun to watch.
It's going to be so fun to be a part of. It's going to be great.
I do got one piece of advice. I got one piece of advice.
Before you ask me to come back. I'm not going to come back.
I'm not doing it. Do not go down at the one yard line.
You got to go down at the two. Yeah.
Go down at the one. It's curtains.
Yep. They didn't ban it.
They didn't ban it. Yep.
Jalen's going to get that. He's going to get that every time.
A little extra motivation there, you know. Just know, don't go down at the one.
You got to find a way to get an end zone. I trust my boy.
Obviously, you know Miles pretty well. I know how many touchdowns probably was taken away from Miles just watching his film.
I'm just like, man, just got to strain a little more. There was one time, I mean, I remember being so happy when he got in the end zone.
It was the year, it was his last year in Philly. I was just so happy when he had a big year.
Even you dreaded the play a little bit? Dog, whenever the running back got down to the one-yard line, whether it was him or Dee Swift or whoever, especially when we ran the ball the entire drive, it's like, man, I would say I'm sorry in the huddle. I'm like, man, I'm sorry, bro.
That's gold, man. Yeah, let's get to the Penn State career.
Hell yeah. Yeah, you recently went back to Penn State to celebrate St.
Patrick's Day. Yeah.
I don't know. What was it like being back? You got a little Irish in the? No.
I'm trying to think St. Patrick's Day.
You don't got to be Irish to celebrate St. Patrick's Day.
I think the weekend I went, I went for Pro Day. I think that might have been St.
Patrick. I got to go out.
I didn't get to go out in the bars and stuff at Penn State because I was never 21 and I got to go. I was out and I was like a DJ for a night.
Yeah, okay. Nice.
I tried something new. It was different but yeah, I don't got no Irish in me.
I probably do. I think everybody got everything now if you do that.
Especially Irish. It trickles in everywhere somehow.
Yeah, right. Yeah, do you give any uh the young guys at penn state any advice yeah you can speak to the team i had i got the chance to talk to the team i will say this choose my words wisely here um college football is a lot different than when we were in college football yeah it's a lot different and just the mindsets of the kids not just saying at penn state like anytime you talk to these college kids.
Yeah. It's a lot different.
And just the mindsets of the kids, not just saying at Penn State,

like anytime you talk to these college kids,

it's a whole different process than what it was.

So that was like kind of my thing when I talked to them.

I was like, I know what college football is right now,

but it's like I felt like when I was there, especially my junior year,

like we really shit the bed.

Like at one point we were number two in the nation.

We had a really good – we were up at Ohio State.

Ohio State came back and beat us.

I'm going to go ahead and get started. especially my junior year, like we really shit the bed.
Like at one point we were number two in the nation. We had a really good – we were up at Ohio State.

Ohio State came back and beat us.

Then we had another opportunity the next week because Ohio State lost to Iowa,

and then we lost to Michigan State, and then that kind of was our season.

A little Big Ten ball, baby.

Yeah.

That's kind of our season.

So I was kind of just telling them to just lock in and focus

because it's different now.

There's 17 games.

Like the college football is going to be –

That's so crazy to me.

It's going to be 17 college football games.

Oh, my gosh.

I'm going to be 17 college football games. Oh, my gosh.
I didn't even know this. If you make it to the college football playoffs.
And you go all the way, it's 17. Holy cow.
So it's a different mindset. Like before you had to win the Big Ten championship or you had to be undefeated or maybe only one loss, and that's hard to do when you're playing Michigan and Ohio State every year, and some years Michigan State's really good, and Wisconsin's sneaky good here and there.
So now it's just like more of my mindset I was trying to get them to understand is like you got to get to the dance, and you guys can do something special because we folded. We didn't accomplish.
Me, Trace, Mike, my teammates, we didn't accomplish what we could have really accomplished there. And, you know, as a vet or alumni, coming back is like, it would

bring so much pride, not only to myself,

but all of us, if, you know, we could

support you guys and you guys go out there and do it the right way

and get the job done. Yeah.
Hell yeah. That's awesome,

man. I commend you for going back and talking to

him. We're getting fired up to

shoot back to the natty ourselves

for alumni weekend.

It'll be awesome. Was it always Penn State being an East PA guy? I was Rutgers first.
What? Yeah, it was Rutgers first. The whole New Jersey connection or I should say the East Coast connection.
I've been there my whole life pretty much, right? And they were probably just getting into the Big Ten? Yep, they just was getting to Big Ten. Rutgers offered me my sophomore year, offered my JV film.
Holy cow. Yeah.
JV film. Gotta get them early.
We got a chance. I wasn't big recruit.
I wasn't like, yeah, big recruit. I got my stars later on.
But at the time, I was 16, 15, 155 pounds. I can't imagine you.
What were you doing on JV? Come on, why were you on JV? One of my best friends who works with me, he was a starting running back. Okay.
That's how our school was. You don't really play a young guy.
And to be honest, I wasn't that good. I wasn't really that good at that.
I was kind of a late bloomer. I don't believe it.
Okay. No, I swear.
After my sophomore year, like that's when I was like, I started getting that mentality and like I started getting into the weight room and started grinding and pushing myself. But Rutgers offered me straight off of like potential that I'd never even seen in myself.
Wow. And, you know, Coach Wilson, Norris Wilson, he was a running back coach at the time on the flood.
Obviously, I ended up decommitting and I played Penn State. I went to Penn State.
My first start ended up being against Rutgers. That's how it works.
Yeah. And I went stupid.
And I remember Coach Flood was like got fired or something, and Coach Wilson was the interim head coach. And went up to him, and I was the one to make sure, because he's the one who gave me my – you know how it works in college.
You get a scholarship, and then that's when other teams start buying. You get that one offer.
Yeah, they start buying in. Pulled me aside, and it was like, you know, just looked my eyes, and it was like, I knew I'd seen something special in you.
And it almost, like, brought me to tears because I was like, this person, like. That's dope.
That's all you need sometimes. Sometimes you need someone to have belief in you and take a chance on you.
And I'm forever grateful for, obviously, I never played there, but, you know, I don't think I ever get to the point I am if it's not for that moment. Right on.
Bro, that's crazy. When that new NCAA game comes out, man, just do it with creative players.

Right.

Just be like, this is what it would have looked like.

You guys got to play NCAA.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

My year is literally the year to cut it off.

I was seventh string in like a 54 overall rating at quarterback.

I moved myself to running back right away.

My coming out game was against Rutgers, too. too.
Rutgers, they're good for that. They're good confidence builders.
Shout out to everybody at Rutgers. I didn't mean that.
I didn't mean that, guys. That was Big East? That was the Big East.
They were actually really good at first when I was in school because they had Brian Leonard. She Rice, right? Ray Rice.
She Rice, yeah. She Rice.
Shout out to Rashid. Right now.
No, they were really good when I first got into Cincinnati and then we kind of took over after that. Then they started getting decent again, though.
They beat you your senior year, didn't they? Trav? Or was that Louisville? No, you got it. Yeah.
Yeah. They got us.

They got us. You over here talking trash.
It was a good fight, though. It was a good fight, though.
I'm just saying it was a good. It was a good coming out party.
I had two touchdowns. I was running behind your fat ass.
Ha! All right. I'm actually curious about this.
Being back in the locker room and everything, kind of being around the guys, do you still feel that college camaraderie, even though the NIL stuff is kind of like guys can – and not only that, but the transfer portal, like guys can just, if they don't like their scenario, just get up and slide, right? Yeah. I wasn't really able to be in a locker room.
Like when I was in a locker room, like they were right out there. It's just more of like when you just talk to everybody like it's just a different world up there yeah like I'd never wanted to be a coach but if I ever decided to be a coach I would not want to be a coach in college damn it's like it's different like and then you kind of like got a little NFL to it and like I didn't get a chance to like if it's one thing that I really wanted to tell them that just crossed my mind was like have fun like don't about the business stuff.
Obviously, get your money, get your paper. I'm all about that.
But, like, you guys know, like, the next level you get to is a monster. It's a whole different beast.
So have fun and enjoy it because you're going to be searching for that for forever. Yeah.
Maybe, like, more times you're on winning teams, like probably your successful years when you won Super Bowls. The locker room is probably way more closer.
But not to say that locker room wasn't close in New York because we were really close. Yeah.
But just, like, you walk in one day, you boys with this dog, like, with him, you chopping it up. Then the next day, like, his locker's cleaned out.
It's a new name. It's a new – like, you don't get that.
And, like, it's getting towards like that in college now because, like college now because you could just up and leave. There's no adversity.
There's no like, oh, okay. Which is hard because like- Everybody's story's different.
I know I appreciated the adversity I got hit with in college. It put me in the tight end room essentially.
So landed me a job. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's good and bad, right? Like what the rules were where nobody can ever make any money off of their name, right? And the schools are capitalizing on all of it.
Like that was the wrong way to do it too. But yeah, the allegiance to the university and your teammates that was like really did feel like a family more in college.
It just does. Because you're all bought in and there's not like the free agency portal, which kind of takes place now with NIL, right? Like where every year guys can go wherever they want.
And a world like that in the NFL, you can't just up and leave because you don't have a good situation. Snip, snip, and then now you're on the outside looking in.
Right. They don't teach nothing.
Yeah. It's a wild scenario um but i want to get back to your dj career what uh what kind of were you were you playing what were you playing a little bit everything mixing it up you know a little bit everything what's your dj name i don't know i gotta i really thought about this like i was gonna buy a set because i enjoyed myself go ahead get you the pioneer the pioneer 400.
I don't even know what number it is. It's something like that.
Pioneer 400. This is a turntable? Yeah.
It's like the, yeah. I'm not even sure if it's the right one.
I don't know. Just kind of throwing out there.
We got some BJs. We got some BJs listening to us.
You guys got a free ad right there, Pioneer. I don't even know what you guys do, but you do something electronically.
You guys just got a free pub. It's something about being a DJ though,

like controlling the crowd.

For sure.

I had no idea what I was doing

and honestly,

the DJ next to me

was kind of just telling me what to do

and I was just a show pony.

Yeah.

I was just a show pony.

He's coachable.

But I remember like the one time

like we were playing

Dreams and Nightmare

and like there's a button

or it's like a slider

where like it's like

the song's still going

but it's like,

you know,

it's for the crowd

they could sing.

Yeah.

And like I timed it

at the right time.

I push it up

and like everyone everybody's screaming it and I'm just sitting there like my little brother's there he's just like I'm like oh my god absolutely electric it was crazy and I like I left that moment I was like damn like I might actually like try this for real like just got got no Shaq. Shaq does that right there.

Shaq's a DJ.

Yup.

DJ Diesel.

Yeah.

But I got to.

He's Dubhouse though.

Yeah.

That's not my thing.

Like that's not my thing.

I'm more like rap.

And then,

you know,

I'll throw a little country in there.

Oh,

okay.

But I ain't doing.

All right now.

All right.

That's not my thing.

Great song though. I don't know who sang that song with me, so I'm not throwing shots, but that's not my fault.
You give me enough tequila, I'll be out there on that dance floor. All right now.
Well, that's too much fun, man. Obviously, you hold all types of records at Penn State, man.
I mean, the list goes on. Most career rushing touchdowns, most career yards, most receiving yards by a running back.
Like we said, the list goes on. Do you think any of them will get broken? Records are meant to be broken, right? No.
No. That's what they say.
I mean, now that there's 17 games. There's 17 games.
Oh. I didn't get the one that matters the most to me.
Which one's that? The rushing yards. Evan Royston got it.
He played four years, though. You left before you turned 21, Saquon.
Do I think? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so.
And now, I'm at that point now where I'm year seven, where it's like, I look back on some of my college stuff, like, saves a tweet. Someone.
Someone will put a tweet out and I'll see it and I'll be like, damn, I was really raw low key. You don't understand it.
In the moment, you don't understand it. You're just now realizing this? You were second overall.
Yeah, but I like to be in the moment. You did arguably the craziest shit I've ever seen on a football field.
You hurtled a man and in midair took a fucking hit from somebody else and landed on your feet. Yep, that was – Like you went airborne and trucked somebody while you were hurtling somebody.
It was the most freakishly athletic thing I'd ever seen in my life. Probably one of my better plays, yep, yep.
Was that Iowa? Iowa, yep. Yeah, I remember that shit like it was yesterday, man.
I was like, that was one of those that makes you get out of your seat like. I'm at that point now where it's like, I was like, damn.
But do I think myself, like they have really good back right there now. They have two, Singleton and Fat Man.
Or Allen, that's his nickname. I don't know why I just said that.
Okay, Fat Man. Yeah, that's what they call him.
Sorry, we don't fat shame. But yeah, I feel like, I love feel like i love that though i love like because i know what you know royster and all those backs there like meant to me like i would look up their numbers and look up their stats and but all right like that's what i gotta go get i'm gonna go get i'm gonna get it and like i think it's cool like to be a position now where younger back to come to penn state where you know i'm the i'm the pick i'm the pinnacle i'm the one you got to go get.
And I'm not like one, like, you know, you're not OGs be hating now. I'm not like one.
I don't know. No, I'm not doing that.
Yeah, we don't care. I'm not doing that.
I'm just saying, like, in general, like, I play not just only football and all sports, but I want, you know, you come Penn State, like, do what you got to do. Back in my day.
Right, yeah. That ain't that.
That ain't it. You couldn't last back in my day.
One time someone told me a story. Y'all are playing in the Powderpuff League.
Yeah, and then he showed me his shoulder, and his shoulder was insane. And I'm just like, no, I don't want that.
I don't want my body to be like that, actually. So I was like, maybe it was a good thing I didn't play in your time.
It's not like a thing to brag about. He was like, I played.
He was like, I did this in my shoulder and I played through it. I was like, you probably shot it up with stuff that we can't shoot up now.
No doubt. And now this is looking this way and that way.
I like my shoulder. They probably weren't even telling him.
They were like, hey, we got this stuff that might help you. Might help you.
We got a cream. It'll make you feel like.
We have a topple. We got a topple.
It'll just go right over the skin. You won't even know it's in there.
Dude, there was something that guys used to take. I think it was like DMSO.
Everybody walking around with new hips and new knees. They said it used to make everybody's breath smell like raw eggs or something like that.
You ever heard that? It smells like sulfur? I know exactly what you're talking about. It's a horse net.
It's the horse net. They wrap it around the knees.
That's too funny. No, I've never done it.
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Let's move on to talking some NFL draft. We're a month out from the 2024 NFL draft up in Detroit, Michigan.

Is it Detroit?

Yeah, I believe so.

I think I was right on that.

It is.

Up in Detroit this year, man.

I think it's cool that they're jumping around and doing that in everybody's home.

So do I.

I think it's cool, man.

And it kind of gives everybody a broader experience of what these cities are really like.

Yeah.

Although there was something cool about- I'm a little biased. It was in Kansas City last year, so I'm a little biased.
But there was something cool about it being in New York. Like, I don't know why, like, watching it as a kid, watching it always in New York, there was like a certain cachet to it.
But when it was in Philly, it was dope. Yeah, we like to talk about everybody's draft day experience, man.
You were literally could have gone one overall. I feel like everybody in the top three to five picks, anybody can go number one.
It's just dependent on what team is needed for anything. Us Clevelanders over here, how close was it for you to go to the Browns? Not close at all.
Okay, gotcha. Alright.
Some guys never talk to the team at all and they still draft them. So everyone got their own different process.
I never talked to the Browns once. I talked to them one time where it was like a sit down and I was like, so what's the word? Y'all not feeling me? And it was like, no, we just handled it differently.
This and that and third. And they gave me the spiel.
So in my opinion, I never thought Cleveland Brown was a real thing. And I was really super excited to where number two was and where number three was anyway.
So it was like, you wanna be first as a competitor. But hold on, what the, what the, hold on, what are you trying to say? What you trying to say about Cleveland, man? Maybe I, yeah, you're right.
I gotta be careful nowadays, but I, for some reason right now in this, whatever I say is getting twisted crazy. Yeah, let me not play into that.
I wanted to be like I get to come home. Like I said, that story of me being a kid, like that was – it fit everything.
Right. Yeah, I don't think Cleveland ever was a real thing in my opinion.
I respect it. Well, you were second overall to the New York football Giants in 2018.
You were rumored to go very high and then like top 10, but your draft stock kept going up. Were you at all surprised that you went second? Was there ever a doubt that you, I mean you were just talking about two and three, so you kind of knew.
Yeah, I don't think there ever was a doubt for me that I was going to go high. I think at the time it just made sense.

Especially, you know, I'm realistic.

Running back going number two at that time is rare and may not see it again.

But for what the team had, like the year before they went 3-13,

but everybody got banged up.

Everybody got hurt.

Odell got hurt. The year prior, that's when they made it to the playoffs.
They were balling. They went to Green Bay and shit the bed.
So it was like from their mindset, they're like, all right, we know what we have in our team. We can add a weapon, and he'd come in and bring a spark.
Eli's on the older age, but he still has some ball. I mean, that year he threw for like over 4,000 yards so we were like it just made sense and it's like obviously I want to be there and when I got drafted I was like oh man like okay you mean tell me we have Eli Manning at quarterback myself at running back Odell Beckham Jr.
Sterling Shepard Evan Ingram you guys were fucking stacked for sure we balled like That year, and y'all know it. It was like football, margin of error.
Every year is different too. And we lost like eight, seven games by like seven points or less.
And on offense, we were balling. Eli had over 4,000 yards.
O had 1,000 yards and he didn't play the last four games. Shep had like 800, 700.
Evan had like 800, 700. I had like 2,000 all-purpose.
So it was like no one ever mentioned that part. We came in, our offense, we did what we had to do.
We were putting the points, we were scoring. We just wasn't finding ways to win games.
Yeah, that can be frustrating. Next year, everything started changing.
Yeah. I mean, I remember that stint with New York, and I think it was right at the tail end right there with Eli, and offense was putting up, the defense was kind of trying to figure things out.
But, I mean, that's the way it goes in the NFL. It changes quickly.
But that rookie year in 2018, were you, I guess, what was your welcome to the NFL moment? Like, whether it be like a veteran saying something. We already talked about the Fletcher Cox story.
J.J. Watt.
J.J. Watt.
J.J. Watt.
Oh, wow. Let me take that back.
Mr. Incredible.
First was Eli Manning. It's not surprising.
You go into the building and it's like, shit, that's fucking Eli Manning. You know what I mean? For sure.
I was a fan of the game. I'm into that.
I respect. I'm a big fan of y'all.
I'm into that. So it was like, okay's Eli Manning but end game we're playing Houston and we had a counter to the left he won on the backside and still got to me before as I was getting the ball I mean that was like this doesn't make sense like you guys know you know I'm talking about it doesn't that doesn't make sense I bet that guy on the backside of the block trying to get him and he made that he made that that's what made JJ so dangerous he was he was good enough to door it and still.
And still, yeah, it boomed me too. Like boomed me.
Like it was like, like a boom. I was like, whoa, when I'm looking I'm like.
And then when you go back, like it was crazy in the moment. And then when you go back and you watch a film and it's like, I'm just like, no way he did that.
There's no way he did that. How do you know the ball was going over there? Like he's, he, yeah, him, I'm trying to think.letch that moment, that story That's a fun story But yeah, JJ bro He was Luke was Pepper, Julius Pepper Man Julius Pepper? Yeah They're just huge.
We had a run. Enormous.
Just like, what the

fuck? Are you a human?

He walks up next to you across from the line. He's got

the visor on you. Just like, bro, what the fuck?

I'm pretty strong.

I'm a pretty strong dude. At least

I like to believe I am. Yeah.

He man-hitted me.

Embarrassing.

It was a play where I bounced, and it

was like a dead play. We blew the whistle.

And he had me like this.

And I'm like, you know football is like

you get into a little bit. And I'm like

bro, like

it didn't go nowhere.

And then I was like

it didn't go nowhere again. I'm like, man, you got it, bro.

I'm like, let me go. You got it.

That was probably

those are my moments.

You see this?

He can't do that. There's no reason you should be that damn strong.
That was the first time I experienced grown men strength. Not weight room strong, just grown men.
When somebody's hands are so strong that you feel like they just have complete control over you, it is the most like, oh, wow. This guy is another level of strength.
I felt that with Fletcher Cox. And oddly enough, Clay Matthews was the other one that had that.
Clay, yeah. He just had some strong-ass hands.
I'll tell you what. I talked smack to the wrong guy, James Harrison, man.
That's not a smart one to talk to. Two court...
You know me. I'm going to miss the captain biceps.
I'm out here. I'm out.
I'm fighting. Sometimes cross from whoever.
You know what I mean? Anybody can get it. Tell me the can, man.
Anybody can get it. I ended up getting his wrath because he played that outside backer position where sometimes he'd be over number two in the slot.
We're playing in Pittsburgh. I'd talk a little bit of shit to him.
He's staring at me again with the black visor. Can't really see if he's looking at me, but I know he's looking at me because he's doesn't say anything.
Couple quarters go by. I'm looking in at the ball because it's silent cadence.
Timed it up perfect. Wow! Just absolutely smoked me off the line of scrimmage.
Fucked up the whole play. I'm going to Alex like, I don't know what you want me to do there.
I'm looking in at the ball. He's looking at my bland side.
Obviously, never talk shit to him again. Yep, smart.
Were there any things they made you do as a rookie in New York? Any rookie hazing? Nah. We had to sing.
You go up there, you sing, you go up there, you say your contract, where you're drafted. Eli was a little prankster.
He got me one time. Got to watch out for those Mannings.
Yeah. He had this thing where he threw grass in my mouth.
Wait, what? He's sitting there, he's and he's like, man, like, my tooth been like hurting me a little bit. Like, out of nowhere, too.
Like, we in practice. And I'm like, damn, like, probably, you know, you got a lot of money.
You probably should go get that, check that out. He's like, no, like, you see it? I was like, he's like, no, like, look, I'm going to show you what it is.
And I'm like, just threw grass in my mouth. And I was like.
What a great point. and it was like, at that moment, you just like, you start laughing and stuff.
And I'm just like, that's probably like my only thing. And like, I stole this from him.
He'll like, I'll do to the rookies. I'll get the rookies where like, he'll put the water bottle and then he'll twist it.
And it's not really on. You know what I mean? And then the rookie's drinking.
He never got me

but I saw him get something. You gotta get him after a long drive

drill too. Act like you're going over

to help him. Like hey man way to run.

Way to run.

Boom.

You need some water?

You look thirsty.

Dang so you never had any Popeyes

on the plane or anything like that? Y'all funny for real though.

Y'all actual funny. Y'all have fun with it, man.
No, I'm Chick-fil-A. I'm on Chick-fil-A.
Okay, there you go. Y'all nice.
You got the Chick-fil-A? Nice. Oh, no.
Oh, I was just talking. Did you have to go and get it? Yes.
Jason has a story where he had to go and get Popeyes and was actually late to the plane or just bailed on the Popeyes so he wasn't late to the plane. J.
Stu, John the Stewart, was my vet. So that's why I don't, all the rookies, I don't make them get candy, I don't make them do nothing.
He was Carolina for a while, right? Yeah, Carolina. And he ended his career with the Giants.
And it's like, I guess you kind of a reflection of your because like he didn't have me do anything I think I paid for one one lunch and I was like we had like a joint practice or whatever in Detroit and that's the only thing that I could remember so it's like for me it's like when I have my rookies and stuff that now that I'm the vet like I really don't make them they do too much only thing I thing I'll probably make them do is, like, after practice,

probably take my helmet or take my shoulder pads.

That's really it. That's the only thing I had to do.

I don't do anything for the tight ends either

because I benefit from the offensive line.

The offensive line.

You guys fucking put your guys through the ringer.

Yeah, I think that's everywhere, right?

Every offensive line room.

If there's one thing O-Lyman ain't messing around with, it's food. You got to get that food to the plate.
Yeah. This is sweet, man.
You rushed for 106 yards and scored a 68-yard touchdown in your first ever NFL game. What did that feel like when you got in that zone after that Teddy, man? Yeah.
Amazing. It was kind of like a full circle moment because you think you can do it.
You know what you did in college. Was it in MetLife too? Yeah, it was in MetLife.
Oh, ho, ho. So I really didn't.
I would have cried. I didn't have a great game, the whole game, I guess you could say.
I don't think I would play bad, but that's when Jacksonville was like that. That defense.
Campbell, Jalen, Smith, all of them. That was the year they just lost to New England.
Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Yeah, right? New England.
Oh my gosh, I'm thinking Tom Brady, I'm over here going straight to Tampa Bay. I'm screwing that up.
So my first game, I'm like, I'm going against these monsters.

But when I scored that touchdown, I had it like pretty sick.

I was able to – basically all the stuff that they said I wasn't going to be able to do in the NFL

because you only could do it at a college level, I did it in that run.

So it was like more of like, all right, I took it in.

But at the time, I was like, oh, this is just football.

This is football. Yeah, well, when you're Sa, oh, this is just football.
This is football.

Yeah, well, when you're Saquon, it's just football. Yeah, everybody, I feel like when you're going in your rookie year, the first time you're going out there, you don't know what to expect.
You've played great up until that moment, but it's like, man, what is this going to feel like? But, yeah, when you break four tackles and run a 68-yard touchdown, I feel like you're like, yeah, I got this. it was more of like it was more of like

and I remember

oh

thank you But yeah, when you break four tackles and run a 68-yard touchdown, I feel like you're like, yeah, I got this. It was more of like, and I remember, and then at first I let it sit in, and then the crowd started bugging, and I just started feeding off their energy.
So I started yelling. I'm like, ah, yeah, I really like that.
I really like that. I told you.
And then we had a two-point conversion. Got locked up.
I ain't no shit. I ran the ball.
They hand it off. Waste a little too much energy.
I know how that goes. The Giants have played the Eagles 13 times over the past six years.
You were on the team over there in New York. We don't got to go to the record.
No, no, no. We don't.
The Eagles have. Yeah, we know.
That's in the past. That's in the past.
That's in the past. Just want to know your favorite moment of the rivalry.
We don't want to talk about the record. My favorite moment.
I would say it was a playoffs game. Before we even got to the coin toss, I'm in that mindset.
I'm like, you know how you get in that mode? I'm like, all right, boom, boom. And we just went to Minnesota and played a crazy game.
Ain't nothing like to play all football, baby. Yeah, bro, I'm fiending.
I can't. Like, that's, like, one thing, like, I never – it took me so long.
It took me five years to even get to that moment. And to, like, not being in there this year, like, that's, like – you're, like, once you get in there, you're just addicted.
And I can't even imagine. Like, you guys done it at the highest level.
You won Super Bowl and you obviously won multiple. It's like – so I can't even imagine what that feel like you like once you get in there it's addicted i can't imagine like you guys done at the highest level you won super bowl and you obviously won multiple it's like so i can't imagine what that feel like but i remember i'm in my bag like i mean you know you're talking to yourself and all you hear is like that's when the uzi song was popping and then them motherfuckers came out and like it was like i was like jason was doing a little uzi i was like yeah like this is real like Like Minnesota was crazy.
The environment was like, I was like, oh, shit. Jason was doing a little oozy in there.
I was like, bro, we were like, this is real. Like, Minnesota was crazy.
Like, the environment was crazy. Like, it was dope.
That's another stadium that kind of gives, like, a college feel. Oh, yeah.
What? The Link? Yeah, yeah. No, I'm talking Minnesota.
No, I'm talking about Minnesota. You're talking about, because they beat Minnesota to come play us.
Yeah. Oh, all right.
And just like, boom, you hear that, this ain't what you want. Then they started walking out.
I was like, oh, my God. So that's probably my favorite moment because a lot of moments was games that we lost.
Environments, though. Yeah, environments.
You'll remember those environments forever. That's dope.
You know, obviously, wasn't beating the Eagles. You guys had to deal with a lot of change up in New York.
You know, what have you learned from, like, the three different head coaches you played for? I learned a lot. They just got their own style.
Yeah. Yeah.
Everybody got their own style. They're all different.
I'm now going here. It's probably going to be like my seventh or eighth running back coach in like seven years, going on my seventh year.
Wow. So that's definitely tough.
And that's why I admire all those guys that were there and still there in New York because you guys know, like, situations and stuff can really, really help your career out. Of course.
And we've been tossed around, thrown around this head coach, that head coach. And I believe, I still believe, obviously I'm not there no more.
I still believe Brian Dable is a really – I don't believe I know. He's a really good coach.
coach and yeah he's a he's the right guy to to get him back on track but it's tough as a player because this coach likes this this coach like this this coach like this what it's taught me though it's like I feel like I'm able to adapt into whatever you know whatever the culture that they're trying to bring um and that was like my main message to Nick, to Yanni. It was like, you tell me, you know, what you want from me, not only as a player, but as a leader.
And I'm going to try my best every single day to go out and capitalize that and to go out and take advantage of it. But that's what I learned, to be able to adapt and talk the business side of it before I got into the business side of it.
Like, you don't get numb. Like like it hurts but it's not like you know my first coach is like damn like damn fuck like I let him down like you know I mean that's that's on me and then now you learn like you know what it is it's a business like for some I had coaches leave for good reason like my coach next he just left to be the OC of for Syracuse so that's what taught me the business side of it and how to be able to adapt and really knowing that.
No matter what, you can't complain. You can't complain about your situation.
No one cares. So don't go whining.
Just put your head down and come in every day ready to work and try to win and compete. I commend you for having that mindset though, man.
Not a lot of people are owning up and having that type of mentality to take it to heart and call themselves out first in some regards and just to make sure that I need to do everything I possibly can and if I need to make that get better, which I've never turned on a game film and haven't said I need to get that better. Every single game that I've ever watched of myself in terms of scouting myself, I'm like, man, I got to be better.
I got to be better. I got to be better.
I don't think enough guys in the league hold themselves to that type of caliber and accountability, so I commend you, brother. Thank you.
Appreciate that. And it gets hard with the turnover.
I feel like every time there's coaching changes or there's a bad season,, like Travis saying, a lot of people start either pointing fingers.

Some guys are taking accountability, but it tries to like tear guys apart. That's the hardest thing in my mind with like transition is like, how do you keep bringing everybody back to like, hey, we're all doing this thing together.
We're all going in the same direction, right? You know what's so crazy though? What's that? That's why in New New York I never understood why we didn't have more success than we should have because I'm a firm believer in like what you put in and what you get out even all of like the turnovers this is like obviously the guys that's been there and the guys that are still there right now when I tell you buying in in yeah and like if you know the history like shirmer judge daves all three different totally people two different three different totally people like those guys are still there right now and when i was part with them like no matter what bought in bought in bought in and worked and worked and whatever was asked we tried our best we tried our best and just bro the nfl is fucking hard like. People do not understand that.
That's like what you guys are doing right now in Kansas City, you and Pat, hats off to them. Pretty crazy.
Because from the outside, when you get in the league and you actually end, it's easy from a fan's point of view, but when you actually end it, it's so much more respectable. It's like, bro, it's tough.
Even when you do shit the right way, even when you work hard, it's still football. It got somebody can lean on you this way.
There's an element of luck. Bro, it's crazy.
I'm with you, man. How about my guy, Mike Kafka, over there? Yeah, Kafka's.
He actually played with Jason and then came to KC. And, yeah, you already know, he was one of my favorite offensive minds.
You've been with a lot of former Eagles guys. Like, Pat was with me.
Oh, yeah, I forgot Shermer was over there. Shermer was with us with Chip.
He went Philly, then Minnesota. Yep.
And then to John. Then came to New York.
I love Kafka. I like Kafka because it's like this season, I feel like you learn more about people when shit's not going around.
There's no question. When shit's easy, it's easy to show up.
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He's going to show up, baby. Every single day.
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Jason, you want to get into the running back market? For sure. We've heard for a while now, there's a narrative out there that the running back position has been devalued.
You just became the highest paid running back in Eagles history by notoriously a GM that does not like to pay running backs, so congratulations. Alright, man.
Do you think it's starting to shift, or do you think it's... I mean, I guess I'll lead this a little bit.
You already said this a second ago. I feel like it hasn't been devalued for guys that can do a lot.
You know what I mean? Like you're a weapon. You're not just a standard running back.

You can be that, but you can do everything else.

Is that fair to say?

Yeah.

That's where it feels like those guys are still premier players like McCafferty, yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Check it.

Yep.

Yeah.

I agree with everything that you're saying, 100%.

And yes, for the guys that are able to do multiple things and view it as a weapon, I don't think the market – because I'm not going to get into numbers and what teams offer me and stuff like that. Obviously, I'm happy with the decision I made.
But it's like, like I said, there's a media look on it. But it's like when I got to the open market, what I believed in myself, and and that's why I didn't set what the Giants offered before.
I felt like I can get more. Yeah.
It was like I had a good bit of teams, you know, that really was like all about me coming there and, you know, with the price points being up there. I think it's a trend.
It's just like the thing that was said last year. I kind of think there's some little BS behind it because, you know, all the premier backs got tagged last year.
So we had no chance. We had no chance to get paid.
And it's like, all right. And then when you get tagged, like being tagged is the worst position to ever be in in anything.
Like you have no leverage. It's literally like they offer you this and it's like, what are you going to do? You're not going to play? Yeah.
And it's like, who's going to turn down $10 million? That's tough, man. It doesn't make any sense.
But I'm happy where like what I was able to get and like shout out to my agent and shout out to my team. Like they worked their ass off for me.
I feel like, you know, did I go and beat Christian and, you know, reset the market? No. And that's like if you heard what I said before the year prior, like my whole intention was to never reset the market.
Just to get the value that you deserve. That I feel like I deserve.
That's something I felt like was fair for me and that would take care of me and my family. That's your goal.
You want to get to the second contract. But I feel like where I got, it's like, all right, now, Bijan, Jameer, Najee, like, y'all boys, like, go beat me.
I mean, I'm a competitor like I'm trying to go out this year especially with the situation I'm in now I'm trying to be the best running back like no question about it but like let's push each other let's all drive it like it's easy to say like what they're doing to the running backs is not fair and I don't believe there's guys and I'm not taking shots of anybody but like there's receivers and in positions like who have 600, 500 receiving yards or this amount of stats

and like they can't pay more than running backs.

And it's like –

It's bogus.

It really is bogus.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

But like even like same thing with tight ends.

It's like you're not just a tight end.

You know what I'm saying?

And you got wide receivers that are probably making a fuck ton more money

than you.

With less production.

Yeah.

And it's not fair. But now it's like what I got like like, all right, like I said, Bijan, Naji, Jameer, all those guys, go do your part.
Go do what y'all got to do. And then we're going to keep trending upward.
I'm not saying we're going to get in the 20s and the 30s. That was my big thing with, you know, Tiki.
That was my thing with Tiki. It was like what he said like, what he said, it was like, you're, Tiki, you're an ex-runback.
Like, you're an ex-NFL player. Like, I get fans being upset about me going to Philly.
Like, obviously, they don't get the business out of it. Like, they're trying to really make it seem like it was me.
I picked the Giants over Philly, which. Yeah, like, out of spite almost.
It's like, come on. I didn't have, like, first of all, the Giants didn't even offer me.
Like, they didn't even, like, it wasn't my option. I had four teams, but, like, the Giants weren't my option.
Yeah, that's wild. But Tiki, like, you used that moment to, like, it wasn't even what he said, because he was like, oh, Tiki, chugging the cheek, whatever he said.
Yeah, he's trying to be funny. It was a week leading up to that before when it first came out that the Eagles and I had interest, and he's like, you're going to be dead to this fan base.
You're going to do this. You're going to do that.
It's like I love seeing NFL guys. I love seeing OGs.
I love seeing you guys. Like you have a platform.
And like this is a place where, you know, you know ball. You can talk.
You can educate fans. It's like maybe use that time to show maybe this is why Saquon is going to Philly.
Or maybe this is why he's going to use it.

The business side of it.

Use that to show.

I'm not saying you got to have loyalty to me because I don't care for that,

to be honest.

But you are an ex-NFL player.

You are an ex-NFL athlete.

Don't feed into the BS.

Let fans do that.

They're supposed to do that.

They're emotional.

Honestly, if fans wouldn't be mad that I went from New York to Philly, that means I did nothing when I was in New York, whether it was on the field or off the field. That means I made an impact at some point.
That's the reason why fans were so torn apart about it. I see my jersey getting burned, my family was getting threats, my house.
I see that part of it. We grew up in Cleveland, so we've seen a whole bunch of LeBron jerseys getting burned, and all of a sudden he came back and won a championship for it.
Good thing I didn't burn mine. I'm not saying I'm on that man's level.
I'm not saying Bron. Say Bron? Yeah, he's a whole different beast.
Say Bron? He's a whole different beast. Yeah.
What I was basically trying to say to get to, I guess, was the running back market, what they're doing, how they're valuing, it's easy to say it's not fair, but it's on us. It's on us to change the narrative.
It's on us to go out there and go ball, stay healthy, go ball. And, you know, it wasn't like a big drop-off, like, where Christian and Alvin, those guys, it could have been a big drop-off.
It could have been 8, 10, but it's 12 and it's 13 or whatever. It's like now, like, okay, like, all right, like, Bijan, all them young boys, y'all do what y'all got to do.
Keep moving the needle, man. Keep moving the needle.
Is this fair to say too? Because I feel like there's more opportunities now for the running back potentially than ever. I mean, I know more teams are going pass heavy unless they're a Shanahan-style offense, but defenses continually go to these shell middle field open defenses, and I feel like the running back is like your best friend, whether you're running it or throwing it, when people are in the two shell, right? They drop back and nothing's there, drop it off.
And they want to stay in that. And you have a really good running back and, you know, a good scheme, run the ball on them.
And then it opens up the pass game. I've never understood, too, like, even if you got a backer matching you off the ball, like, bro, throw it to this dude and make that guy make an open field tackle like it's gonna be him one on one.
That's what I'm saying like now that ain't good enough. You gotta have somebody else down there.
We like that. We like Alright.
Well congrats on moving the needle and doing your job brother. I think it's awesome to be able to keep stacking and keep making that position, get the value that it's deserved because you already know it's been sick for everybody to kind of see that throughout the league.
Knowing how much of a wear and tear you guys take between the tackles and how much you guys really can do to help a team win, man. You know, there were a lot of running backs that changed teams.
I feel like, I mean, damn near half the league, the running backs like switched over. Are there any guys that you're like excited to watch in like their new places? Yeah, I'm excited for all of them.
I'm excited to see what Swift can do in Chicago. I think that's a unique spot over there.
I like what they're building there too. Jacobs.
I got Ryan Poles over there. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Jacobs' game.
I'm excited to see all the backs. When I say this, I'm actually a true fan of the game.
Yeah. I like watching those guys.
I generally like watching Christian, like studying him or studying Derek, studying those guys, seeing what they're able to bring to the table. You got that educating yourself, got the erudite mentality.
Yeah. I see you.
So it's like i want all those guys to go out there and ball because like that pushes me that motivates me it's like at the end of the day like i said it before during super ball it's like christian mccaffrey in my opinion is the best front back in the nfl that pains me to say because i'm a competitor and like this is the era i'm playing and i'm playing the same time as him so it's like i don't want him to be number one so it's like respect watch learn from him i could pick up some pieces and that's a drive and motivate me to try to you know, get to Philly and be like, all right, let's really see who the best. It's all up here, baby.
It's all up here. We're gonna see this year.
Yeah. All right.
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For this one, we thought we'd do a throwback and bring one of our favorite questions for Saquon to answer. At Vink Isaac? Yep, nailed it.
Could an average person gain one yard on a rushing play in the NFL? Yeah. The average person? Look at Jets Jake right now.

Jets Jake, come on camera so we can see what you look like.

Jets, come on.

Come on up here.

I feel like I got to say yes now.

I'm just dissing him, right?

No, you don't.

Love this shit, by the way.

It's a great show.

There's no hard feelings here.

He's a Jets guy himself as well.

Do you play any ball back in your day?

No. No? There we go.
If you play any ball back in your gym? No.

No?

There we go.

If you had to run a 40 right now, under six seconds?

No chance.

No chance.

So you're not helping the cause at all.

Not at all.

How's your vision?

What's the play?

40-20.

20-20.

What's the play?

20-20 vision.

That's a start.

What's the play?

Actually, I got to say, there's a game I had against the New York Jets. I had 13 carries and one rushing yard.
Holy cow. And I would say I'm a pretty good running back.
At least you got one. So you're probably not getting it.
Yeah, average person's probably not getting one yard. And he's out.
Alright. Had to think that one through.
I think about it sometimes because if a guard and a tackle

destroy a double team, anybody could probably get a yard.

But you got to think about how slow it's going to take them

to get to the hole.

He ain't getting it.

And how fast everything changes, right?

I'm told his best.

Oh, gosh.

They wouldn't even know.

If the average guy's Jets Jake.

If it's outside zone, no shot.

With that shot?

My bad, Jake. I love you.
You're above average in my heart. Above average person.
Way above average person. That's what matters.
We don't... Oh my gosh.
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Question everybody wants to know. Who can squat more? You or Jalen Hurts? Ooh.
That's not even close. You think it's not even close? It's not even close.
Jalen? Jalen's got you? No. What? No.
I'm like, I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more, but like, was really in that mindset of squatting and squat off, I would put myself up there with a lot of people.
I'm watching this clip of, let's say, squatting 585 right now. Was that in college? Nah, that was last year.
No, this is the pros. Damn! And it's not even remotely difficult.
I don't max out anymore, stuff like that. Those days are one of those days where it's not like even remotely difficult.
I don't like I don't max out anymore like stuff like that like that's like those days are one of those days where it's like you're like let's just push the fucking needle a little bit like let's put something on you and try it. Just put a car on our back.
Jalen Strong he's probably the strongest quarterback in the NFL ever. Tebow? What was Tebow squatting? Tebow's a pretty big dude.
He's a quarterback? Wow. Well, you know Jalen power lifted when he was in high school.
Tebow's a quarterback. I'm a quarterback.
Wow. What? I'm a quarterback.
Five shots. He played tight end too.
He moved to tight end. His last game was a tight end.
That's all I'm saying. Fair.
I threw a touchdown in the playoffs. All right now.
All right now. After watching those two clips, that 585 squat was damn impressive.
Jalen's pretty strong. Shout out to Tebow, too.
He's my favorite college football player. Behind Cam Newton and Reggie Bush.
I'm a better one squat, like one rep match, too. Same.
Yeah, I'm not like— You burn out quick. You're more of like an explosive— Put it on, give me down and stand the fuck up do you know what the most do you know what the most you've ever squatted is the most I probably ever put on my back was in the 600s but college NFL I never really got the chance to do we don't do one rep max so ran out of bar you can't put the weights don't even fit on the bar at that point you got the bands holding holding it on at that point.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
It just looks like a U. It just looks like a U when you pull it off of the rack.
That's right. You use the Valsalva technique.
It's where Jason. You fill up with air.
Fill up with air. You might be.
Well, listen, I guess when you got quads is as good as Saquon. You don'ton You don't need The bell sound Yeah he's probably Yeah We had to use Everything we could Every technique That we possibly could Have you ever Flexed out What does that mean Like you like And then And get lightheaded And then all of a sudden You get real lightheaded And then just hit the And fall Yeah It's a thing on TikTok thing on TikTok.
People have it all the time. I never, I haven't, I've got lightheaded before.
It's one of my favorite segments. I don't think I've ever passed out.
Flexing out. I had like the, you know how we had like this thing called Art Fest.
And like it was a time where everybody would go out and party. And like around the same time we would do our max out week.
So I had like, those are the weeks where it would be more of like,

you know.

They gave you power.

You really maxed out.

Probably, I think about it.

In college, you were able to do some cool stuff.

It was different.

You ain't lying.

Who is in your running back Mount Rushmore?

You can put yourself, I got shamed,

I got shamed for doing it. But like you are.
You can't put yourself in there. Shame.
Yeah. I'll be real.
Yeah you're definitely for sure up there. Top four.
Me? Not yet. I haven't done anything in my opinion.
Hopefully going to Philadelphia Eagles. Might change that up.
Yeah change that up. Save my legacy.
I can see it right now. But Mount Rushmore.
All right, I got to go Barry. Barry's the best player of all time with the ball in his hand.
Yeah. The best running back of all time.
I'm talking about pass blocking, inside tackles, outside tackles, catching, Walter, Payton. Okay, sweetness.
Sweetness. And this one gets tricky.
Because there's one that you have to put up there. And my manager is shaking his head because he probably knows what I'm going to say.
You have to. And I know people argue, well, he played back in that time, and you got to go Jim Brown.
Yeah. Jimothy.
You gotta go Jim Brown.

I mean, you're talking to two Browns fans, so.

Yeah.

And then.

He was God.

Emmitt has the record.

Right.

I love Curtis Martin.

I'm not saying he's up there.

Curtis Martin's like one of my favorite running backs.

Do I go Marshall or LT, man? I was about to say LT. It's LT or Marshall Falk for me.
Yeah. It's, if I know as you said four, but I'll say 4A, 4B.
Like that's, that's it. Oh yeah.
Jim Brown gotta be in there. Yeah.
Obviously I know he did at the time, but like I was, like I have a book and like I said, my son loves football. And like, it's like the NFL Top 100 book and like I was just going through it and showing pictures.
He's always like, dad, dad, football, football. We're looking, and they just have Jim Brown stats on it, and I was like, he led the league in rushing.
He only played like eight years, and he led it, I'm pretty sure, every single year, and he was like a three-time MVP. I don't care.
That's not easy to do. And he can act.
Yeah, that's right. And he can act.
He's a Hollywood Brown, baby. That's right.
Lacrosse is Syracuse. Yeah, but his stats also hold up.
And I think they only played like 14 game seasons when he was in the NFL too. So his like stats are still like imperative with too much games.
But at the same time, he did play with white DBs. Yeah, I mean.
There's a new one coming. Which is coming back around.
There's a new one coming. It's coming full circle.
Just saying. It might hold up then.
It might keep holding up. I believe it when I see it.

All right.

We could show up to 30 seconds of NFL footage on this show.

What 30 seconds of Saquon footage

should we have on? Ooh, what's

your favorite highlight? All right, one that

shows the type

of player I am. It would be against you guys

or us now. I gotta get

used to this. Us now.
Rookie year caught a screen. I didn't score, but I had like a pretty dope screen.
It was a chip screen and I cut across the field. I think I vaguely remember exactly the one you're talking about because I always watched his games.
Setting up a screen for Barkley.

Blocking in front.

First down and more into Eagle territory.

Still going.

Incredible.

Yeah, that's another one.

You get up out of your seat like, could he?

You just hear Berman in the back.

You're like, could he go all-star?

I was so tired.

I don't think I've ever been more tired after a play than that play.

Oh, man.

Yeah, I mean, you were going like almost numbers to numbers.

It was like high school.

Like, yeah, it was not the level.

I'm saying like.

No, you already know.

That's just dope.

We did a little digging and saw that March 14th is Saquon Barkley Day.

Ooh, in Pennsylvania. That's a damn sound.
You already have your own day. In PA, that's dope.
What goes down on Saquon Day? How do people celebrate in your hometown? They just squat? Do leg extensions? Get those BMOs firing? The shortest shorts possible. How do you guys know that? Funny story.
The day I signed to Philly was March 14th. It was Saquon Buckethead.
Yeah, nice. I told my mom that.
I didn't want people to really know that. I have a day.
But it's not like you celebrate. It was one day, and I was going to rookie, my rookie year, and I went back to my hometown and had like a parade and had to do the, you know, all that stuff and talked to the town.

Why do I have a day?

I don't know.

But hey, I'll take it.

Your hometown knows.

Yeah.

I've been trying to convince Philly to get a Jason Kelsey day.

I think, yeah, I think we need one.

The Jason Kelsey day is you're not allowed to celebrate Jason Kelsey day.

That's what you do on Jason Kelsey day. Fair enough.
Go about as business as usual. I have a question.
Yeah, go ahead. If y'all had a drinking contest, who's winning? At a drinking contest? I'm pretty sure I've beaten Jason the last three to five times.
He's, this is completely made up. First of all, what's the competition? We're talking about chugging?

Just chugging a beer?

So chugging and then like toe-to-toe.

Toe-to-toe with what?

Like who's calling quits?

Oh, um.

Yeah, I can definitely drink more volume.

I don't even think that's a question.

What?

Yeah.

What?

You think?

You're already down to 260. I'm 283.
We're in the same weight class now. Yeah, I know, but you don't have the heart that I do when it comes to drinking.
It's March. We're in the same weight class right now.
I don't think you heard that. He said you don't have the heart when it comes to drinking.
You're more ingrained. You've been drinking more than I have recently.
He hasn't stayed out past 10 p.m. since 2017.
Did you not see me at your playoff games this year? Did you not see me at your playoff games this year? Do you remember any of that? No, because I was drinking all day. This is good.
I love the back and forth. We're going to have to get to the bottom of this.
We're going to have to get to the bottom of this. I think drinking games, I will destroy him.
What? Because I got the mental advantage. You're not beating me in pong.
I'm the older brother. Beer pong I'm not beating you in.
For sure not. You've got a shotgun to beer.
Who's winning? Well, the last time we shotgun won, Travis cheated. It was after the Bills? What game was that? Was it Bills? We didn't shotgun a beer after the Bills game, did we? See, this is.
i don't remember much at the end of the big tree in all game yeah you had you had a shirt on at that point so um yeah all right well it it's on like donkey con motherfucker we're gonna figure out we're gonna enter ourselves into this drinking contest, maybe at the shore or something. Ooh.
Are you a beer guy? Yeah. So you're saying this like you could probably hold your own.
Yeah. I went to Penn State.
Yeah. Okay, I thought that was a dry campus.
I don't know how much of it is. I'm kidding.
I don't know. I don't know how much of a party school there are now.
Those games are lit, so they're definitely not doing it just off the spirit. Right, right.
Those games are fucking out of control. You been to one? Huh? You been to one? No, TV tells you everything.
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. TV tells you everything.
He might need to get you to Beer Bowl. Your dad is a diehard Jets fan and has even worn Jets jerseys to games where you guys played against them.
If the Eagles played the Jets in the Super Bowl, who would your dad root for? The Jets. It's tough.
It's tough sledding right there. But he would root for you to have a good game, right? Okay, I'm on Saquon to have a good game.
So he's a Jets fan because he's from New York, but the year he was born was 69. Dude, there's no way your dad's like, get him! Tackle him! God damn it! He doesn't even wear my jersey.
I'm serious. He doesn't wear my jersey.
I got him a Joe Namath Jets jersey. He wears that jersey.

I mean, that's a good jersey to have.

And that's Joe Namath the year they won.

That's when he was like, we're going to win the Super Bowl.

I guarantee that.

And the third Super Bowl.

So he's never saw the Jets win the Super Bowl.

So, yeah.

I'm pretty sure my dad would.

I would hope.

You know, he would probably switch up.

But if I had to take a guess, I think he'd probably cheer for the Jets to win the Super Bowl, which is sad to say out loud. I love you.
Elyse, I mean, you understand it. You understand it.
I get it. Are you still a big Hurdle guy? Yeah, now I am.
On the advice from what your father even said? Yeah, I'm going to get back to Hurdle now. Not your father, my bad.
I read that wrong. Yeah, our dad banned Travis from hurdling.
Yeah, yeah. He read the question wrong.
And at the same time, dad. All right? Those are instincts that got me to where I am today.
I'm going to fucking hurdle somebody first game next year. I love it.
End up on my fucking head. All right, here we go.
What do you got, Jason? The league announced it was banning hip drop shackles today. Yeah, how do you feel about it? I don't know why everyone's like bugging out about that.
It's like, how often do you actually see that tackle? It's not that often. Everyone on social media like making it big, they're like, oh, we might as well just change it to flag football and this.
It's like, I can't like I probably only can tell you like in seven years, two times I've been like hit drop. So it's like I don't know how often that happens in a game.
I could be wrong. I don't know the stats behind it.
There's a reason why they banned it, I guess. But it's one of those things.
I feel like every time during this year there's a new rule. Everyone just go crazy over it, freaks out.
We play the first preseason game. They're going to look and find for it.
They're going to throw the flag just to show that they're doing it and then you're going to get in the season and it's not going to be a thing. I hear you.
I think that's a very well reasoned and correct statement. I still remember when they started really going after targeting or like, I remember I was kind of on the other side of that where i was like you mean how is how is the defensive player gonna change this like he's just trying to hit the guy but to the nfl's credit like defensive players that for the most part stop doing it like they've i mean it still happens occasionally but somehow they have been able to make that adjustment and i kind of i'm with you on this i think the hip drop feels weird because it's like i don't think guys are trying to do that tackle when it happens but i think now you know once people get penalized and fined for it i do think guys are going to go out of their way to not do it which should in theory reduce the amount of injuries when it does happen even though it's you have your guys like you have your guys.
You have your guys. Everyone knows how this person tackles or how that person tackles, and they're probably going to have to change it up a little bit.
But I really don't. They're like, how are you supposed to tackle Derek or tackle this guy? I'm pretty sure you've been in the league way longer than me.
You've been in the league way longer than me. Really think about how many hip drop tackles you've seen.
I got the eject button. As soon as I start to feel somebody right there, I'm like throwing my feet out.
Yeah, right? I'm just like, no! Get these feet up off the grass. Man, fuck that.
I don't even want to think about getting tackled like that. The only thing that I think is going to, to what you just said, Saquon, they call it, they're going to make a point of emphasis on it.
So are they going to call guys when they're rolling and it's really not a hip drop tackle, but they're going out of the way to throw the flag? I think you're going to see a little bit of that early on and it's going to piss people off. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't see this being a huge deal.
Back in my day, you couldn't play back in my day. Okay? You couldn't play.
You wouldn't make it. DMSO, you know what that is? Your breath will smell like straight egg salad all game.
We appreciate you joining us, bro. Man, even cooler in person.
Wish you all the best in Philly, man. You deserve all the money in the world.
You've been doing it the right way. Keep doing it the right way, man.
And thanks for blessing the 92%ers and me and Jason, dog. We appreciate you.
Thank you, guys. Appreciate you guys.
Honor. Honor.
Man, I can't wait to watch your ball out this year. I'm excited, bro.
I'm excited. It's going to be fun.
It's going to be fun. What a God.
Man, that shit was fun as hell. I'll tell you what.
You guys are actually funny as hell. Try to have fun with it, man.
He was awesome, man. Dude, he's great.
I'm excited. He's going to be fun.
What a God, man. That shit was fun as hell.
I'll tell you what. You guys are actually funny as hell.
Try to have fun with it, man. He was awesome, man.
Dude, he's great. I'm going to be practicing my drinking skills now just to make sure I whoop your ass.
I don't even have to practice. Travis.
It's just what I do. You.
It's just what I do. I was the MVP at Cincinnati drinking games.
I still think I got it. You're saying I don't got it anymore.
I'm saying... I peaked in college.
If you're not riding a bike, if you're not out there on skates, you don't know how to skate the same. I think I proved in the postseason that I still got what it takes.
Mahomes, Pat even said I was the MVP of the post-Super Bowl party.

God damn it, Pat.

Fucking feeding this man this nonsense.

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What's the first thing you're doing?

Adriatico's Pizza.

Adriatico's? Bearcat?

Yes. Yep.
Maybe not a Bearcat.

I'm going to eat a few.

I've seen you eat a full Bearcat all by yourself. And I was bigger than you right now.
You were enormous. I was every bit at 285.
Might have been the most impressive physical feat I've ever seen you do. I got back down to 250 and won a Super Bowl the next year.
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Thank you. acting's hard but like

I think about like this like why can't i be the big swole dude that fights in every like and just fights it can't be that hard it can't be that hard you know what i mean just act like i'm getting punched in the face fight a little bit end up losing and then you make money off of it i I'm not trying to be Leo. So you're trying to be the next Creed? Why not? Let's go! Let's make a story.
I'm coming to Philly. You're going to the right city.
Seriously, you just throw it out there. Stuff happens when it goes out on New Heights.
Speaking of new existence. Just go over to the Philadelphia Museum and just start running steps yeah and just punch in the air punch in and shit dude philadelphia would go freaking crazy follow new heights on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcast you can listen to new heights early and ad free plus enjoy exclusive episodes of the show by joining wondery plus in the wondery app apple podcast or spotify today before you go tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify today.