1785 - "Mackerels"

Speaker 2 Oh, now you've connected the dots. Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.

Speaker 1 It's Sunday, July 27th, 2025.

Speaker 3 This is your award-winning Gimmon Nation Media Assassination episode 1785.

Speaker 2 This is no agenda.

Speaker 4 Everything's FG, and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six.

Speaker 7 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 2 And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I'm fogged in, I'm John C. Dvorak.

Speaker 5 It's Craig Bottom Buzzkill in the morning.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it must be July in San Francisco.

Speaker 12 It happens every day. Bay Area.

Speaker 2 Fog. It's I wake up, it's foggy, cold.

Speaker 11 Oh, boy.

Speaker 16 And you know, it has been one of the mildest summers I've ever witnessed in Hill Country.

Speaker 9 Or in Texas. Global warming.

Speaker 18 In Texas in general.

Speaker 21 It's just, it's really, it's been nice.

Speaker 11 It's been really, really nice.

Speaker 23 So I wasn't able to get a clip

Speaker 28 because no one had anything it started just before we came uh before we got on the on the air live we have a deal we have a deal we got a huge deal

Speaker 2 you did you hear about the huge deal well i heard that uh about an hour ago trump said uh i saw the live press conference and he said we should have a deal in a half an hour

Speaker 2 underway had to wait a half an hour what was going to change uh Because they were inking the deal.

Speaker 34 So it looks like

Speaker 35 I think Queen Ursula folded.

Speaker 35 And we got ourselves a deal between the European Union and the United States.

Speaker 37 And President Trump looks very happy.

Speaker 9 But it was kind of telegraphed already.

Speaker 35 Did you see anything of the European Union-China summit?

Speaker 2 I saw none of it.

Speaker 9 Wow.

Speaker 40 All of a sudden, Queen Ursula is sounding like President Trump.

Speaker 42 A few figures.

Speaker 43 Today, the European Union accounts for an impressive fourteen point five percent of China's total exports. Yet, China only represents eight percent of our exports.

Speaker 43 These numbers speak to the scale of our relationship, but they also expose a growing imbalance. It is mostly due to an increasing number of trade distortions and market access barriers.

Speaker 43 But unlike other major markets, Europe keeps its market open to Chinese goods. This reflects our long-standing commitment to rules-based trade.

Speaker 43 However, this openness is not matched by China. The European Union's trade deficit with China has doubled in the last decade, reaching more than three hundred billion euros by now.

Speaker 43 We have reached a clear inflection point. As we said to the Chinese leadership, for trade to remain mutual and beneficial, it must become more balanced.
Europe welcomes competition.

Speaker 43 We like competition, but competition has to be fair.

Speaker 45 Pretty much the same problem we had.

Speaker 2 Well, it's about time they figured it out.

Speaker 47 And this was even more interesting.

Speaker 48 What did she wave around as the only other option if China doesn't

Speaker 51 return to rules-based trade, like

Speaker 53 yeah, everything is play fair.

Speaker 41 Please play fair.

Speaker 30 Oh, she brought out the T-word.

Speaker 43 The need to rebalance our relationship is even more urgent in today's context of the global rise of tariffs.

Speaker 43 As two of the world's largest economy, the European Union and China share a responsibility to uphold and reform the global trading system so we can keep it open, fair, and grounded on rules.

Speaker 43 This responsibility also extends to upholding international norms, rules, and institutions.

Speaker 43 And this is why we raised the critical issue of China's support for Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine. This has a direct and dangerous impact on Europe's security.

Speaker 43 And we expressed together our expectations that China would follow up on our concerns and the expectation that it would use its influence to bring Russia to accept a ceasefire, to come to the negotiation table, enter peace talks, and put an end to the bloodshed.

Speaker 43 How China continues to interact with Putin's war will be a determining factor for our relations going forward.

Speaker 57 So, the way I see it, China went no,

Speaker 49 and then she went, well, okay,

Speaker 24 we'll just do business with the United States then.

Speaker 59 Seems pretty simple to me.

Speaker 2 Well, China, this is going to catch up to them eventually.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They've gotten away with it. I mean, the Chinese even knew this because they had talked about turning inward

Speaker 2 Chinese technique, usual technique of

Speaker 61 dealing with issues. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 Create their own market and just sell to themselves.

Speaker 11 Isn't that illegal?

Speaker 9 What?

Speaker 17 Just kidding.

Speaker 63 What? I'm just kidding.

Speaker 64 Yeah.

Speaker 65 They're going to sell their own stupid solar panels to themselves.

Speaker 67 All right. Good.

Speaker 68 That's what they have too much of.

Speaker 70 They've subsidized.

Speaker 62 Well,

Speaker 2 their whole system is based on overproduction. Yeah.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 66 And then dumping it cheap on other countries like the EU.

Speaker 2 And us.

Speaker 38 So I think a big part of this deal was Europe,

Speaker 25 surprise, surprise.

Speaker 16 Europe is going to spend a lot of their 700 billion euros earmarked for

Speaker 73 weapons on U.S.

Speaker 76 weapons.

Speaker 9 What are the chances?

Speaker 77 What are the chances?

Speaker 51 Yeah, well, that's all we...

Speaker 2 What else do we do?

Speaker 9 No, we don't.

Speaker 2 We sell agricultural products. We sell that, and they weren't buying that.

Speaker 78 Apparently, they're going to start buying something.

Speaker 2 Supposedly.

Speaker 37 Give them our GMO corn.

Speaker 13 Let's send them that.

Speaker 2 Well, we can send them GMO corn or our lousy wheat.

Speaker 2 All the poisonous stuff we grow.

Speaker 58 Yeah,

Speaker 9 send it to them.

Speaker 18 So the president is in Scotland today, and the Scottish are out protesting.

Speaker 74 At least that's what the M5M is showing us.

Speaker 66 And what's really interesting, I watched probably 20, 25 minutes.

Speaker 74 of Man on the Street interviews with...

Speaker 66 And these are not organized protests.

Speaker 14 These are really, you know, they're handmade signs poorly made handmade signs like just like can can they not even draw properly there

Speaker 88 and what's interesting is they just hate trump they say well we don't like what he's doing no one says what he's doing They just hate him.

Speaker 15 Listen to this.

Speaker 90 I'm very much against everything that Trump stands for and what he's doing in America.

Speaker 90 So I want people to know, the Americans know that we're very much pro them, their democracy but we really want the lies the falsehoods the um the racism the fascism to stop um so that's why we're all

Speaker 39 the racism and the fascism huh

Speaker 2 no the talking points i have some clips too i want to get to the race the the the talk which are from npr which will back up your clips

Speaker 2 but they these are just american talking points These are setups. This is not real.
This is bullcrap.

Speaker 2 Soros or somebody pays some people to stand around. They say themselves as 100 people.

Speaker 34 Oh, no, it's a small crowd, but

Speaker 39 it's the same thing as No King's Day, basically, where everyone was just standing around saying, no king.

Speaker 76 Well, what's the problem?

Speaker 95 We just don't want a king.

Speaker 96 There's nothing.

Speaker 66 There's no content.

Speaker 92 So that's why we're all demonstrating today.

Speaker 1 He shouldn't be here.

Speaker 97 You know, we shouldn't give him airtime. You know, somebody like that

Speaker 97 who has those standards.

Speaker 97 I don't think it should be welcome in this country. I'm here just to show my support for the people that think the same way as me and basically

Speaker 97 detest everything Donald Trump stands for.

Speaker 97 You sometimes wonder if, you know, protest works and people listen to it, but that's the only tool that we have for democracy and to show our

Speaker 97 dislike of Donald Trump basically and what he stands for.

Speaker 99 Shut up!

Speaker 9 Let them talk.

Speaker 78 What are you going blah, blah, blah for?

Speaker 2 Because that's blah, blah, blah. She's not saying anything.

Speaker 34 That's the point.

Speaker 37 That's the point.

Speaker 101 There's one last guy here who makes who tries to make a point.

Speaker 97 Dislike of Donald Trump, basically, and what he stands for.

Speaker 102 I'm pretty much, I'm an immigrant myself. I've come from Italy here to Scotland, and I stand pretty much against everything that Scotland does.
And I think Scotland should reject

Speaker 102 Trump

Speaker 20 in a strong way because

Speaker 102 just to send a signal that the majority of the people in the world don't agree with what it's doing in terms of the genocide in Palestine and the treatment of immigrants in the U.S. as well.

Speaker 24 All right, so Trump is genociding in Israel or something like that, and the immigrants.

Speaker 66 And that was the only thing, the only, actually, the president brought two messages the minute he got off the plane.

Speaker 112 Probably both are being celebrated by the people not holding the signs.

Speaker 114 You better get your act together.

Speaker 114 You're not going to have Europe anymore. You've got to get your act together.
And we, you know, as you know, last month we had nobody entering our country. Nobody.
Shut it down.

Speaker 114 And we took out a lot of bad people that got there with Biden. Biden was a total stiff.
And what he allowed to happen, but you're allowing it to happen to your countries.

Speaker 114 And you've got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening to Europe, many countries in Europe.

Speaker 42 Some people,

Speaker 114 some

Speaker 114 leaders have not let it happen.

Speaker 114 They're not getting the proper credit.

Speaker 114 I could name them to you right now, but I'm not going to embarrass the other ones.

Speaker 114 But stop this immigration is killing Europe. And the other thing, stop the windmills, killing the beauty of your countries.
Thank you very much, everybody.

Speaker 53 Stop the windmills.

Speaker 2 That's what they focused on on PBS. The windmills?

Speaker 67 Really?

Speaker 115 Yeah.

Speaker 116 Well,

Speaker 100 the EU is still all in on the green energy transition.

Speaker 117 What do you have to do?

Speaker 2 Before you go there, I got these clips on Trump in Scotland. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 Let's do it.

Speaker 2 First of all, there's the overview clip we can play or not play, which is Trump in Scotland NPR, which is just our general clip. Yes.

Speaker 28 Yes. It doesn't have the good stuff.

Speaker 73 Well, we need an overview just for prosperity.

Speaker 120 President Trump is in Scotland this weekend, visiting his golf resorts and meeting with British and European leaders.

Speaker 120 A major security operation is underway for his visit, with officers around the UK brought in to support Scottish police. But some locals are concerned about the scale and cost of the operation.

Speaker 120 NPR's Fedim Al-Qasa reports.

Speaker 123 President Trump's visit to his golf courses on opposite sides of the country has prompted a major police operation around Scotland, which is expected to cost Scottish taxpayers millions of dollars.

Speaker 123 Kerry Walsh from Glasgow says she's not sure it's worth it.

Speaker 91 So much is being spent on him being here, and I don't know what the benefit of him being here is, if I'm honest.

Speaker 123 The Scottish Police Union says resources are stretched and it may take officers much longer to respond to other incidents over the weekend as a result.

Speaker 123 Protesters are planning what they are calling a festival of resistance to the President's visit.

Speaker 9 Oh, well, that's what we heard. A

Speaker 125 festival of resistance.

Speaker 11 That's almost a bit of a distance.

Speaker 62 I think that

Speaker 2 they're playing into the stereotype of the Scots being cheap bastards.

Speaker 62 With what? No, they're worried about the price.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's so expensive.

Speaker 126 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I thought that was kind of. Now we have, you might as well play the Scott.
We have Scott Simon.

Speaker 11 Oh,

Speaker 34 but how could I not be ready for that?

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 2 How is beyond me?

Speaker 127 I don't even know where. Here he is.

Speaker 115 I need to.

Speaker 128 Suffering succotash.

Speaker 11 I'm Scott.

Speaker 98 Simon.

Speaker 9 President Trump is from the

Speaker 2 weekend show up first, but I have it down here as the first.

Speaker 2 And the clip, there's three clips here,

Speaker 2 which has a punchline. The first NPR Trump in Scotland hit piece.

Speaker 129 In Scotland, the home country of his late mother, President Trump, will be playing golf, promoting the golf resorts he owns there, and meeting with British and European leaders.

Speaker 130 But questions about other things have followed him there.

Speaker 129 Gawsett, the Federal Reserve, and his dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 9 Wow. And there are protesters.

Speaker 9 Wow.

Speaker 11 His dead former friend.

Speaker 132 Wow.

Speaker 12 Is that good?

Speaker 132 Yeah.

Speaker 129 That is good. His dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 124 And there are protesters.

Speaker 129 And Pierce Lauren Frere is at a demonstration in Edinburgh. Joins us from there.
Lauren, thanks for being with us.

Speaker 44 Thanks for having me, Scott.

Speaker 129 What kind of welcome is the President receiving in Scotland?

Speaker 44 Well, I'm outside the U.S. Consulate in Edinburgh, where several hundred people gathered today.
There are Scottish bagpipers.

Speaker 44 One of them is holding a sign that says, at least this bag of hot air serves a purpose. There are Palestinian flags over the crowd.
I also see a sign that says, Scotland is already great.

Speaker 44 A reference to, you know, making anything great again. Protest organizers here call this a festival of resistance.
Here's protester Niamh Cunvin-Smith.

Speaker 90 Why on earth is this convicted felon allowed to come into our country and play golf when the people do not like him?

Speaker 44 A recent poll found that more than 70% of people in Scotland have an unfavorable view of Trump. That's higher than across the entire United Kingdom.

Speaker 44 People here say they're motivated by Trump's climate policy. In fact, some climate protesters actually abseiled, belayed themselves on ropes down off a bridge here last night.

Speaker 44 Others say they're protesting U.S. policy in the Middle East.
Many Scots are also angry at the cost to taxpayers of Trump's visit here.

Speaker 44 And there are even a few Jeffrey Epstein posters in the mix here.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 54 Some of the headlines were,

Speaker 84 convicted felon visits Scotland.

Speaker 135 Oh, those are unbelievable.

Speaker 2 This is the kind of hit piece. It's not news at all.
It's just a hit piece. And it gets worse, but it doesn't.

Speaker 2 You get to the third clip, which is the real killer showing that they're just, they can't even do a good report. This is the first NPR Trump in Scotland II.

Speaker 9 A topic that the president might have hoped to hear from the other side of the Atlantic, I should think.

Speaker 44 Probably, but it's one of the things that the traveling press asked him about moments after Air Force One touched down here last night.

Speaker 44 Trump denied ever being briefed that his name might be in the Epstein files.

Speaker 44 He said he has the power to pardon Epstein's ex, Ghillene Maxwell, who is in prison, but that he hasn't thought about doing that. And he said, if you're going to talk about Epstein.

Speaker 114 Talk about all of his friends. Talk about the hedge fund guys that were with him all the time.
Don't talk about Trump.

Speaker 42 So Trump was dodging questions about Epstein here.

Speaker 44 But it's not just the media talking about this. Scottish protesters stealthily put up a sign outside of one of Trump's golf resorts here this week that says, quote, twinned with Epstein Island.

Speaker 129 The president does have deep family ties to Scotland. As we mentioned, his late mother was born and raised there.

Speaker 129 Do Scots like to consider him a native son?

Speaker 44 Yeah, I mean, his mother was born on the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides Islands, a place that Trump, once on a visit, called Sirius, Scotland.

Speaker 44 Her first language was actually Gaelic. Trump has long-owned golf resorts here, so Scots have been well acquainted with him for a long time, even before he became president.

Speaker 44 Trump says he loves Scotland, but he's also been critical of its environment policy. For example, he's called for the country to scrap what he calls windmills, renewable energy wind turbines.

Speaker 44 He considers them an eyesore. He's called on Scotland to double down on energy from fossil fuels instead.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. And of course, Scotland has a huge supply of fossil fuels off their coast.
Yes.

Speaker 2 It's called

Speaker 2 source. And they do, oh, let's put up some windmills.

Speaker 9 It's pretty funny.

Speaker 13 And ruin, ruin the seascape.

Speaker 132 Ruin.

Speaker 2 So bad. So we go to this last clip, which shows the kind of crappy reporting they're doing on NPR, even though they run commercial after commercial.
I have a couple of them on here

Speaker 2 about their needing more money. This is the first Trump Scott 3 WTF clip.
And when you

Speaker 2 see if you can hear

Speaker 2 the slant,

Speaker 2 the way they slant the conclusion.

Speaker 44 Here's an Edinburgh bartender. I spoke with Cam Page.

Speaker 138 I mean, the first song going on about was

Speaker 138 the windmills and all that. I think it's a bit weird.
The first thing he does when he comes here is just moan and complain.

Speaker 44 He kind of just wants Trump to butt out of his country's energy policy.

Speaker 51 He never said that.

Speaker 2 He never said that. At the very end, she makes up a conclusion the guy never said.

Speaker 2 If the guy said he wants Trump to butt out of his energy policies, why doesn't she have the guy on tape? Why didn't she play that instead of saying it herself?

Speaker 40 Well, she has to justify her reason for existence in Scotland on this trip, on this gambit.

Speaker 2 As soon as they said the bartender, I started clipping it. I said, oh, but the bartender will be down to earth, joke around.
He says,

Speaker 2 you know, and he didn't say anything, you know, other than what you'd expect from a bartender. And thus she makes up a conclusion.

Speaker 9 Oh, it's unbelievable. NPR, we should defund them.
Oh, wait.

Speaker 2 We already did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He says we're on these guys,

Speaker 2 playing the

Speaker 2 play a couple of these clips.

Speaker 2 This is the way the show starts.

Speaker 2 This clip is the first NPR, Scott and Alicia.

Speaker 2 He's teamed up. The only works on the weekends makes $400,000 plus a year.

Speaker 139 That really bothers you, doesn't it?

Speaker 48 We only work two days a week.

Speaker 140 We just don't make his kind of money.

Speaker 112 But, you know, we have the same basic deal.

Speaker 2 No, everybody at NPR makes $400,000 a year. And so they team him up with

Speaker 2 Alicia, the black woman who just is a screecher.

Speaker 2 And it must, I think they did it to torture him, to be honest about it, because he's so, you know, kind of

Speaker 13 old school broadcaster.

Speaker 2 But let's listen to this.

Speaker 2 Here's the classic opening.

Speaker 130 President Trump is in Scotland.

Speaker 129 But it can't escape questions about Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 114 You make it a very big thing over something that's not a big thing.

Speaker 130 I'm Aisha Roscoe.

Speaker 129 And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up First from NPR News. Trump and his allies call it Alligator Alcatraz, the immigration detention center in Florida's Everglades.

Speaker 129 Now, people being held there say guards are abusive.

Speaker 1 They check me to it to the ground.

Speaker 141 I was in the sunlight from one o'clock to like seven o'clock in the evening.

Speaker 1 This is a human.

Speaker 130 What do officials say about these allegations?

Speaker 129 Also, there's anxiety about where the economy is headed for sure, but the stock market is hitting record highs.

Speaker 9 Why?

Speaker 130 Stay with us.

Speaker 9 We'll have a news unique

Speaker 9 weekend.

Speaker 12 Well edited.

Speaker 77 Oh, man. They got some expensive editing going on over there.

Speaker 2 Well, then here, this is the end of the way the show ends.

Speaker 135 Another thing, these people make

Speaker 2 more money than typical radio. This is upfront NPR credits.

Speaker 130 And that's up first for July 26, 2025. I'm Aisha Roscoe.

Speaker 129 And I'm Scott Simon. Today's podcast was produced by the discerning Edwards Stupid.

Speaker 9 Wait, why is he laughing?

Speaker 34 Is he laughing?

Speaker 2 He's laughing because he knows what they're paying.

Speaker 1 I'm Aisha Roscoe.

Speaker 129 And I'm Scott Simon. Today's podcast was produced by the discerning and astute Elena Turek with help from Fernando Naro, who possesses a piercing mind.

Speaker 130 Do not face off with them during a trivia night. They will wipe the floor with you.

Speaker 129 Our editors are the fantastic four: Susanna Capaluto, Pelobi Gagoy, Jacob Benston, and Melissa Gray. Maybe they're the fab four.

Speaker 129 It's hard to tell because they're certainly here, there, and everywhere.

Speaker 9 Okay,

Speaker 130 Scott, tell us who else is fab?

Speaker 9 I agree.

Speaker 129 That was a little creepy. David Greenberg, our technical director, and our engineering support comes from Zoe Van Genhoven, Tom Marquito, and Zach Coleman.

Speaker 130 Andy Craig is our director, which he does with the fluid effort of a master. He makes it look easy, but it's not.

Speaker 2 Which is why we have bosses.

Speaker 129 Shannon Rhodes, our acting senior supervising supervising editor she's not just acting she's commanding evie stone our executive producer very commanding jim cane our deputy managing editor is

Speaker 39 these are very um jean-luc picard when he says make it so so we do it well that was very bizarre did they have to fill time

Speaker 2 i guess so it's only a half-hour show and they couldn't fill it i guess but that was that the people producing that show that how many was that 15.

Speaker 2 oh i counted 14.

Speaker 2 15.

Speaker 2 15 plus the two of them. That's a lot of people.

Speaker 11 Oh, we have thousands of producers.

Speaker 2 Yes, we do.

Speaker 84 We have, that's why we're better.

Speaker 73 And dare I say, that's why they call us the best podcast in the universe, far better than the top 100 from time.

Speaker 28 People are so mad about that.

Speaker 66 I can't believe people still care what Time magazine says at all.

Speaker 2 Is it even a magazine anymore, just an online website?

Speaker 18 Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 146 I think it may just be, it's a blog.

Speaker 147 It's a sub stack.

Speaker 52 I think it's a blog.

Speaker 58 It's a blog.

Speaker 132 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, everyone, you know, a couple people got to go to

Speaker 9 Scotland. So, you know,

Speaker 146 it's good, I guess.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 28 I guess.

Speaker 2 I was looking at one.

Speaker 2 Fox sent

Speaker 2 Jackie Heinrich, I think is her name. And it looks like a completely different person because when when she's in the studio or in the in the country she's got professional makeup

Speaker 2 and then she has to I guess when you're on the Trump trip they didn't send a makeup artist with her and it's just like is this the same woman no

Speaker 124 yeah makeup can do a lot well since uh since npr could not stop bringing up epstein might as well just play the latest which we all pretty much know about by now this morning president trump is calling the jeffrey epstein controversy a scam, accusing Democrats of using unreleased court records to distract from his political success.

Speaker 124 Trump comparing the investigation to the so-called Russia hoax, saying, quote, they have gone absolutely crazy.

Speaker 124 Adding, as things are revealed, and I hope will take place quickly, you will see that it is yet another Democrat conjob.

Speaker 124 But the pressure to release the files is a bipartisan effort, Democrats and Republicans demanding answers.

Speaker 22 I want all the information out, man.

Speaker 150 Just put everything out, make it as transparent as you can.

Speaker 142 Release the the damn files.

Speaker 124 The Justice Department searching for answers of its own. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche meeting with Epstein's convicted co-conspirator, Galen Maxwell.

Speaker 121 Well, she answered all the questions and answered them honestly.

Speaker 124 The closed-door meeting lasted six hours yesterday and is expected to resume today.

Speaker 124 Blanche's meeting with the convicted sex trafficker is part of the Justice Department's effort to uncover, quote, information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims.

Speaker 124 Those sources say it was Maxwell who reached out to the DOJ to request the meeting. She's currently appealing her conviction to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 121 There were a lot of questions, and we went all day.

Speaker 15 And she answered every one of them.

Speaker 150 She never just said, I'm not going to answer, never declined.

Speaker 98 And she answered them all truthfully.

Speaker 2 Truthfully. Oh, Joe, you answered every question.

Speaker 9 Truthfully.

Speaker 46 There was another report.

Speaker 70 For sure. This one.
Yeah, hold on.

Speaker 152 President Trump is spending the weekend at his golf resort in Scotland, where he will celebrate the opening of a new golf course. Next week, he will hold meetings on trade with European leaders.

Speaker 152 The trip comes as here at home. Trump continues to face questions about

Speaker 55 Epstein.

Speaker 114 People should really focus on how well the country's doing, or they should focus on the fact that Barack Hussein and Obama led a coup.

Speaker 152 In Florida, Deputy Attorney General Taunt Blanche, a former Trump criminal defense

Speaker 152 has now conducted two closed-door meetings with Epstein's co-conspirator, Ghillene Maxwell, in an effort to quiet criticisms the administration administration is blocking access to

Speaker 53 how

Speaker 9 does that even

Speaker 9 quell criticism?

Speaker 119 I think it only riles it up.

Speaker 152 To quiet criticisms, the administration is blocking access to the Epstein files. Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison term.
Defense attorney David Marcus said that she is cooperating freely.

Speaker 121 We haven't asked for anything. This is not a situation where we're asking anything in return for testimony or anything like that.

Speaker 80 Yet, the media have raised questions.

Speaker 75 Lizzie's been a little bit more.

Speaker 135 Okay.

Speaker 69 Yeah, it's a kind of odd one, the way he said that.

Speaker 14 Here we go.

Speaker 121 We haven't asked for anything.

Speaker 2 This is why we haven't asked her anything. I thought he just said they talked to her for days on end.

Speaker 48 What I think he's referring to is we haven't asked her to

Speaker 127 do anything like a quid pro quo.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I understand that's maybe what he meant, but that's not what he said.

Speaker 9 Well, listen to the whole sentence.

Speaker 153 Operating freely.

Speaker 121 We haven't asked for anything. This is not a situation where we're asking anything in return for

Speaker 121 testimony or anything like that.

Speaker 155 Yet the meetings have raised questions.

Speaker 152 Liz Oyer, a former U.S.

Speaker 74 pardon attorney, was fired from the Justice Department in March.

Speaker 156 There's every reason to believe that they are seeking to make some sort of deal with Maxwell that will help them solve this political crisis.

Speaker 152 The president was asked if he is considering a pardon for Maxwell.

Speaker 114 A lot of people are asking me about pardons. Obviously, this is no time to be talking about pardons.

Speaker 152 On Friday, a plane flew a banner over the courthouse meeting site, accusing the president and U.S.

Speaker 11 Attorney General Pam Bondi of a cover-up.

Speaker 153 The president has called the scandal a hoax by the Democrats.

Speaker 158 It's a hoax!

Speaker 131 It's a hoax.

Speaker 30 Hoax.

Speaker 154 And so, of course, he keeps telling everybody to look at the coupon.

Speaker 58 What's the hoax part?

Speaker 2 I don't mind him calling what the Democrats are doing a hoax, but what specifically is a hoax here?

Speaker 54 Well, from the way I listen and hear the president,

Speaker 112 something in the papers is a hoax.

Speaker 84 The papers are a hoax. It's a hoax.
It's the list. It's a hoax.
It's all a hoax.

Speaker 76 I don't know.

Speaker 23 And I don't think we will ever really know.

Speaker 159 I did dig up, it's very short, unfortunately,

Speaker 9 in the archives because the accusation against former President Obama is that he led a coup.

Speaker 36 And the way he led that coup, if you listen to Tulsi Gabbert's endless yaking,

Speaker 2 oh man,

Speaker 160 on every

Speaker 161 show.

Speaker 2 There's that sigh.

Speaker 115 Yeah.

Speaker 115 I'll just have an apple in my room.

Speaker 83 Every single show. What she's really saying is that the intelligence community

Speaker 127 came with an ICA, an intelligence community

Speaker 164 assessment and said,

Speaker 126 well,

Speaker 68 there's really no there there.

Speaker 157 And then President Obama said, you voted wrong.

Speaker 145 Go back and get me another assessment.

Speaker 125 And this was admitted by the Dumbo Clapper.

Speaker 96 And this is him back in the day on Tapper's show.

Speaker 166 For President Obama, we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set off a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today.

Speaker 166 President Obama is responsible for that, and it was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place.

Speaker 11 Oh, there's Clapper.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's a clip of the day. Give yourself a round of applause for digging up a historical clip.

Speaker 132 Clip of the day.

Speaker 2 That was a winner.

Speaker 58 How good is that?

Speaker 2 That's outstanding. No one has played that clip.
That is the best thing we've done for weeks.

Speaker 9 Oh, well,

Speaker 78 we've done other great things.

Speaker 11 We have definitely.

Speaker 2 No, that's the best right there.

Speaker 47 Oh, come on.

Speaker 54 Your tip of the day about mellow leather was good.

Speaker 2 Leather honey.

Speaker 99 Mellow leather.

Speaker 2 Whatever.

Speaker 2 That's a soft drink, I think.

Speaker 2 So there's something that's bothering me about this whole thing because they're always going, they're making a big fuss about, oh, the intelligence community is corrupt and these guys are, you know, they're making a big fuss.

Speaker 2 It seems to me that I don't understand why the pundits out there and the people doing this analysis don't say what's actually happened. The intelligence community, and I'm not here to defend them.

Speaker 2 but they did their job. They said there's no collusion going on.

Speaker 2 And it was Brennan who was, yeah, he was a part of the intelligence community in a certain way, but he was running the agency and he was a political guy. And who knows?

Speaker 2 And no one has still ever asked him if he's a Muslim or not, which really irks me because if you look up, go to all the AI and ask if

Speaker 27 I'm not going to the AI.

Speaker 2 Go anywhere and try to find out whether he's a Muslim. You find that there's evidence that he is, but they all deny it.
And no reporter has ever said, hey,

Speaker 2 just to clear up the record,

Speaker 2 are you a Muslim? Because they say that when you were in Saudi Arabia as a station chief in Riyadh, you took the oath to uphold the tenets of Islam. Yes or no? It's not a big deal.
Just ask him.

Speaker 2 No one's done it. But this guy's the one.
He was the corrupt character there

Speaker 2 that was running the agency. The agency was doing the field people, the people that were the analysts who were doing their job.
They kept reporting back. No, this is bullcrap.

Speaker 2 Nothing's going on with Russia. Right.
And they said, well, you better get me a report. He handpicked a couple of guys that would do his bidding.

Speaker 2 And this is not the, you can't blame the intelligence community for this.

Speaker 37 Well, I don't think they're any good.

Speaker 2 Well, that's different.

Speaker 160 Dan Bongino posted a shocking, shocking, shocking memo on X.

Speaker 60 This is how the headlines

Speaker 28 advertise it.

Speaker 159 I shall read it for you.

Speaker 84 Shocking.

Speaker 87 I shall read it for you verbatim.

Speaker 31 During my tenure here as the deputy director of the FBI.

Speaker 2 Great. Yeah, I'm glad you got this.

Speaker 112 I have repeatedly relayed to you that things are happening that might not be immediately visible, but they are happening.

Speaker 68 The director and I are committed to stamping out public corruption and the political weaponization of both law enforcement and intelligence operations.

Speaker 118 It is a priority for us.

Speaker 18 But what I have learned in the course of our properly predicated and necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to my core.

Speaker 131 We cannot run a republic like this.

Speaker 10 I will never be the same after learning what I've learned.

Speaker 145 We are going to conduct these righteous and proper investigations by the book.

Speaker 88 That, by the way, is exactly what Susan Rice wrote down in her Cover Your Assimil.

Speaker 168 By the book.

Speaker 2 I think that's a callback to that.

Speaker 117 And in accordance with the law, we are going to get the answers we all deserve.

Speaker 57 As with any investigation, I cannot predict where it will land, but I can promise you an honest and dignified effort at truth.

Speaker 48 Not my truth or your truth, but the truth.

Speaker 27 God bless America and all those who defend her.

Speaker 27 Code Bon Gino.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 8 What is that?

Speaker 2 That was nuts.

Speaker 135 I saw that.

Speaker 11 That's not so gross.

Speaker 2 Regrets, all caps, by the way.

Speaker 162 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 28 Oh, yeah. A lot of all caps in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I don't know.
I think he's getting a lot of pressure.

Speaker 21 But you think.

Speaker 2 And to go back to podcasting, go back to podcasting where you belong kind of thing,

Speaker 2 where he was doing very well. He was great.

Speaker 95 Code Bon Gino.

Speaker 66 Everyone knows it.

Speaker 85 It still gives you a discount on many websites.

Speaker 2 And I, as of a month or so ago, thought that that's where he's headed. He was headed back to the biz.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I think this is maybe his rationale his rationale to stick around and be a desk jockey which is what he is so mike baker was on joe's show

Speaker 170 um

Speaker 30 you know mike baker uh a quote former cia uh operative isn't that

Speaker 2 mike baker is more to me because he took over the uh that job uh funny sorry straightened out presidential daily briefing yeah and it he's it's it's lame by comparison to what it was originally with the other guy why did he Why did he take over?

Speaker 11 What is that about?

Speaker 2 Because the other guy, some things were some. I had to go back to my notes to figure out why the other guy.

Speaker 168 I know what it is.

Speaker 30 They say, hey, give me that thing.

Speaker 37 Give me that briefing thing.

Speaker 99 What's out of your mouth?

Speaker 2 No, I don't think that was it. The other guy was being, it was, it's owned by some other guys.
It's like one of these operations. It's like Beck or somebody owns it.

Speaker 58 Not Beck, but somebody like Beck.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think Mike Baker is central casting more than he is a spook.

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 2 he just looks the party. He looks like Pierce Brosnan.
I mean,

Speaker 2 he's got a look to him that is just like, oh, okay, I'm a spy.

Speaker 30 What are those other two guys?

Speaker 82 What's his name?

Speaker 112 The guy with the big braids, you know, the big poofy hair.

Speaker 127 He says he's, you know, he is a former

Speaker 47 former, what is his name?

Speaker 38 Everydayspy.com is

Speaker 18 Andrew Bustamante.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. Bustamante.

Speaker 2 That guy.

Speaker 12 That guy.

Speaker 9 F-G.

Speaker 165 Right there. Fake and gay.

Speaker 2 G-H-E-Y.

Speaker 107 And he was talking to another guy with the same hair.

Speaker 2 It's a hair club for men.

Speaker 111 It totally is some kind of hair club for men.

Speaker 74 Anyway, so Mike Baker's on Joe's show.

Speaker 25 I get to say Joe.

Speaker 17 Joe. Joe.

Speaker 28 My buddy. Joe.

Speaker 171 Joe.

Speaker 2 You haven't gotten to Joey yet.

Speaker 60 Oh, no. No, no.

Speaker 74 There's no Joey in Joe. We don't do that.

Speaker 10 And so that's, of course, and Joe has him on for obvious reasons.

Speaker 71 It's the perfect time for that, for Baker to come on because, you know, we all trust Baker.

Speaker 35 But Baker made an interesting point.

Speaker 173 The reality is, in terms of recruiting an asset, recruiting an asset by using blackmail is

Speaker 174 tough, right?

Speaker 173 That window starts closing immediately in terms of their operational usefulness, right? Because

Speaker 173 there's a lot of issues there, right?

Speaker 173 You're

Speaker 173 right, right?

Speaker 175 When someone says write like that all the time, that just means bullcrap to me, right?

Speaker 12 Right, right, right.

Speaker 30 Like any Silicon Valley guy, this is really the future, right?

Speaker 55 This is really, this is going to change the whole world, right?

Speaker 173 That window starts closing immediately, right, in terms of their operational usefulness, right? Because

Speaker 173 there's a lot of issues there, right?

Speaker 173 You're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation. At some point, that's going to go south on you, right? It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological reasons, right?

Speaker 173 Or even something as straightforward as they need the money because their kid's sick, or whatever it may be. So blackmails.
But having said that, look, the Russians in particular love that, right?

Speaker 10 Now, listen, okay, so I didn't even realize how many times he says right,

Speaker 154 which is now annoying me to no end.

Speaker 160 It should. Oh, it's really bad.

Speaker 66 But what he does here is he, and this feels a bit like a setup to me.

Speaker 145 And I think that there's some validity to that, that

Speaker 10 to turn someone to become an asset with blackmail may indeed not be a very secure way. It may be a great way to get someone to change their vote.

Speaker 135 Vote to vote a certain way.

Speaker 73 To vote a certain way.

Speaker 36 And I don't know if we're really talking about turning people into assets, right?

Speaker 113 But he brings up Russia at least five times, and I think it was subliminal, right?

Speaker 173 But having said that, look, the Russians in particular love that, right?

Speaker 173 And

Speaker 173 Chinese Intel, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.

Speaker 173 You know, the agency, again, people are going to say that's bullshit. The agency tries,

Speaker 173 the blackmail is.

Speaker 164 I've got to dissect this guy now.

Speaker 84 Why would he say people are going to say that's bullshit?

Speaker 11 I didn't think that.

Speaker 95 Did you think that right away?

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 2 And why do you stutter with Stanward?

Speaker 2 He's like, oh, he's wound up.

Speaker 62 Yes, he is.

Speaker 173 Oh, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.

Speaker 173 You know, the agency, again, people are going to say that's bullshit. The agency tries,

Speaker 173 the blackmail is never really ever on the table as an option because...

Speaker 173 It always leads to a problem.

Speaker 173 And sometimes those problems can be very, very bad.

Speaker 11 And what way?

Speaker 173 What do you mean? Well, you know, the asset will turn on you, right? Next thing they know,

Speaker 173 you know, you've got an agent working now, a double agent working for the other side, right? Because they're just so fucked over by the fact that they've been blackmailed.

Speaker 173 And at some point they lose their shit and they decide to roll for the other side.

Speaker 48 But aren't you constantly murdering them and looking at their phone?

Speaker 173 No, no, there's only so much you can do, right, in terms of maintaining, particularly with

Speaker 173 a

Speaker 173 hard target, particularly with an asset who's in a difficult or challenging environment, you know, for us, and you've got limited access to them, whatever it may be.

Speaker 173 So you're really relying on clandestine communications. You don't have a lot of face-to-face meetings.

Speaker 173 And at some point, you never know when things are heading south, right? And then the next thing you know, look, you know, that so

Speaker 173 that's the operational reason for trying to avoid blackmail.

Speaker 173 Has it ever been done? Well, sure, yeah.

Speaker 58 I mean, I'm not saying it hasn't been done.

Speaker 173 Of course. But some services go to it much quicker than others do.
Yeah. Which services are you going to do? And I would say, well, again, the Russians are primary users of something like that.

Speaker 87 Because they've had a shotgun approach.

Speaker 173 Israelis have been known to do that in the honeypot operations that they'll do and things.

Speaker 38 But the Russians throw a lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks, right?

Speaker 173 It's very much a shotgun approach.

Speaker 27 I don't know.

Speaker 69 He said Russia too much for my liking.

Speaker 2 He said, right, too much for my liking. He's stammering.

Speaker 2 Now, it's possible that he's,

Speaker 2 I mean, when you hear a guy present like that,

Speaker 2 he might still be working for the CIA or someone because he seems to be,

Speaker 2 I think that pattern of that style is that you're constantly worried that you're going to say something you shouldn't say.

Speaker 2 And I think that's what accounts for the stammering,

Speaker 2 which is a way of stalling without slowing down because he can't seem to slow down. He's all jacked up on something.

Speaker 2 So it was basically a meaningless discussion.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 95 And the coincidence of him.

Speaker 135 We learned nothing.

Speaker 2 We learned nothing from that discussion except that maybe blackmail is not the way to go.

Speaker 67 Well, and I'm thinking who's he covering for

Speaker 2 who's been blackmailed.

Speaker 135 Has he been blackmailed?

Speaker 9 Someone's been blackmailed in this.

Speaker 67 Someone's being blackholed somewhere.

Speaker 73 I mean, blackmailed.

Speaker 75 Mistake with cornhole.

Speaker 75 Yeah.

Speaker 77 The whole thing is,

Speaker 77 I don't know.

Speaker 37 I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever know.

Speaker 26 It's It's all so disappointing.

Speaker 172 That's just the bottom line.

Speaker 2 It's just the name of the game. It's disappointing.

Speaker 14 It's just disappointing.

Speaker 20 And I was talking to Tina about that.

Speaker 39 You know, it's like 17 and a half years, before seven years before I even knew you.

Speaker 9 I was all in on this stuff.

Speaker 30 This is going to be great.

Speaker 37 We're going to learn so much.

Speaker 36 It's all going to come out in the wash.

Speaker 143 Nothing ever.

Speaker 9 Ever, ever.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 18 really, the biggest psyop that's been going on since

Speaker 24 I'd say 2019,

Speaker 149 which

Speaker 30 is still going on today, is XRP, Ripple, XRP.

Speaker 41 Do you recall?

Speaker 14 I mean, you may not recall, but I think I brought it up on the show, probably jokingly, even at the time.

Speaker 11 Like, look, I know a guy, he's involved with all this money, and the money's all going into XRP.

Speaker 70 They have quantum networks.

Speaker 64 They have off-world servers.

Speaker 178 You know,

Speaker 178 on the moon.

Speaker 17 Off-world servers. Off-world servers.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And they're on the moon.

Speaker 26 And to this day, people are still going, oh, no, XRP is going to a thousand.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's like, and that has been around so long.

Speaker 77 It's all these kinds of things, but the,

Speaker 26 it's quantum, it's quantum finances.

Speaker 82 You don't understand.

Speaker 164 This is the stuff you don't get, okay?

Speaker 70 Quantum finances. Yeah,

Speaker 2 the term you don't get it was very prevalent in the late 90s.

Speaker 14 With what?

Speaker 14 Under what circumstance?

Speaker 2 The new economy.

Speaker 67 The new economy.

Speaker 158 Yes. You don't get it, man.

Speaker 74 This is the new economy, okay?

Speaker 17 This is a whole news.

Speaker 2 So I was doing the show Silicon Spin, and these guys would come on, and they were intelligent CEOs,

Speaker 2 and they had these crackpot ideas, and they were going on and on. And I would say, and I'd be questioning them as best I could.
And they say, well, you just don't get it because it's the new economy.

Speaker 21 Yeah, if things are going to change.

Speaker 2 Clicks and mortar, man. Clicks and mortar.
Clicks and

Speaker 11 clicks and mortar.

Speaker 9 I forgot about that one.

Speaker 139 What other buzzwords did we have back in the day?

Speaker 27 Oh,

Speaker 2 I did a whole column of them. I have to go dig, I should dig it up.
It's from the late 90s, and it has like a hundred of them. And they were just one after the other.

Speaker 2 They had nothing, it was buzzword, it was the buzzword bonanza of the late 90s.

Speaker 173 It was fabulous.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I got to just want to take a

Speaker 2 walk down an interesting topic.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 2 This is about the post office. I have some post office clips, but I want to start it off with an Ask Adam.

Speaker 10 Another thing I was completely unprepared for.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 2 I got you on your heels.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 171 Vivek.

Speaker 60 Here it is. All right.
Okay. I'm ready now.

Speaker 158 Answer the question. Go.

Speaker 99 All right.

Speaker 2 Okay. First, play the Ask Adam question, and I'll ask you the question.

Speaker 129 On this day, 250 years ago, the Continental Congress appointed the first Postmaster General of the United States.

Speaker 9 Okay, 250 years ago.

Speaker 145 Who was it? The first

Speaker 9 Paul Revere.

Speaker 2 Nice try.

Speaker 10 Let me think.

Speaker 15 The first Postmaster General.

Speaker 9 Don't look it up.

Speaker 13 No, I'm not looking it up.

Speaker 50 Who do you take me for?

Speaker 9 Right?

Speaker 12 Right?

Speaker 74 Because it seems like it's probably going to be something very obvious.

Speaker 25 250 years ago, so that was before

Speaker 15 the Declaration of

Speaker 2 the Rights as the Declaration.

Speaker 10 I have no idea.

Speaker 112 I presume you have it in the answer.

Speaker 93 Yep.

Speaker 129 On this day, 250 years ago, the Continental Congress appointed the first Postmaster General of the United States, Benjamin Franklin.

Speaker 37 Ah, somehow I could have known that.

Speaker 2 I don't know how, because I could have known it too, because when I heard it, that's why I came with the Ask Adam.

Speaker 179 It feels so logical.

Speaker 112 For some reason, it feels logical.

Speaker 131 There's some logic to it, but then there's some illogic to it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I was kind of taken aback enough to put that up

Speaker 2 to just to embarrass you, show you that you don't know anything.

Speaker 84 And the thing is, I don't feel embarrassed at all.

Speaker 9 So fail.

Speaker 9 It's funny. Absolutely.

Speaker 17 It's funny how that works.

Speaker 34 I

Speaker 34 did not at all feel embarrassed. All right.

Speaker 2 The post office now is, oh,

Speaker 2 because Trump is a problem with the post office.

Speaker 18 Why is he a problem with the post office?

Speaker 2 He wants to privatize it, and this is no good.

Speaker 9 No, no, no.

Speaker 21 I mean, don't you have to change the Constitution?

Speaker 2 Or at least. You basically have to change the Constitution.
But, you know, it's just, you know, but there's workarounds and they're thinking about them. And it's just like, no, don't mess with it.

Speaker 2 The post office is fine. But let's play these clips.
There's three clips here that kind of give us what's going on currently.

Speaker 129 David Steiner is the latest person.

Speaker 101 Is Scott, is he on the vacation shift or the summer shift?

Speaker 2 We have Saturday clips. He's on Saturday.
He runs Saturday.

Speaker 11 We have not heard him for weeks, and here he is in two series.

Speaker 129 David Steiner is the latest person to hold the office. He is the 77th Postmaster General.
Before taking office last week, he served on the board of FedEx.

Speaker 129 Personal detail that reignites some worries about postal reforms that some fear could limit or end rural mail service.

Speaker 129 The Midwest Newsroom's Nick Loomis has more on that. And a note, USPS is a financial supporter of NPR.

Speaker 181 Gwen Smith walks from her front door to her mailbox and back six days a week. It's about a quarter mile.

Speaker 56 I would say it's a relatively short trip to the mailbox for us rural folks.

Speaker 181 She lives outside Scotts Bluff, Nebraska, with her husband, Alan, who is recovering from surgery for liver cancer.

Speaker 181 He also suffers from diabetes, arthritis, and the lingering effects of West Nile virus. The former Navy corpsman gets most of his medications through the mail from Veterans Affairs.

Speaker 181 Former Postmaster General Louis DeJoy curtailed rural mail service with his Delivering for America plan, which he introduced in 2021 to stem annual losses in the billions.

Speaker 181 Still, the deficits persist, and mail delivery is slower due to a reduction in work hours, collection time changes, and the consolidation of processing facilities.

Speaker 181 Alan Smith worries about those changes and cuts made to many other government programs.

Speaker 114 It feels to me like it's coming at me right and left.

Speaker 39 They're trying to destroy everything that supports me staying alive and functioning.

Speaker 181 President Trump has suggested privatizing the Postal Service in both of his terms. Most recently, he has said it could be brought under the Department of Commerce.

Speaker 181 Congress set up the agency to be independent of the White House in 1971, and undoing that would require further legislation.

Speaker 181 Even though this Congress has mostly adhered to Trump's agenda, the Postal Service is a touchy political subject for lawmakers from rural states, like Republican Congressman Mike Flood of Nebraska.

Speaker 2 Can it be modernized? Absolutely. Should it be privatized?

Speaker 151 I'd have to be sold on what the plan was before we went anywhere near that, because I know people in rural Nebraska rely on the Postal Service in its current form.

Speaker 181 And currently, the Postal Service self-finances and generally does not count on tax dollars to fill its budget gaps.

Speaker 172 I don't really understand why the Postal Service is always under fire.

Speaker 2 It says it self-finances.

Speaker 2 They're not even using taxpayer money when I heard that part of it, besides the other parts of that crazy clip. I'm thinking, why not?

Speaker 85 I mean, the government costs us money.

Speaker 37 We all know it.

Speaker 2 Everything costs money, but they're always throwing money away on USAID for

Speaker 2 gay sex in Guatemala, and they can't pay for the post office's deficit.

Speaker 135 It makes no sense to me.

Speaker 70 Gay sex in Guatemala.

Speaker 119 Was that really a line item in the USA ID?

Speaker 2 I think it was.

Speaker 58 Czech Doge. Okay.

Speaker 96 Yeah, it just, it seems like they.

Speaker 73 The only thing it can be is somebody wants to give somebody a Benny by privatizing, i.e.

Speaker 11 giving it to some other company.

Speaker 9 That's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 It's a scam afoot.

Speaker 9 And that's what's happened all over Europe.

Speaker 54 You know, DHL has taken over a lot of the postal services around the world, actually.

Speaker 2 You know, go, oh, they can do do it much more efficiently yeah they can't what what makes them more efficient nothing they just charge more you see do you see what it costs to send something with fedex oh the fedex is out of control what used to be like as i think it was six dollars eight dollars to letters you know which was still pricey yeah it's like 25 bucks yeah just for afternoon delivery

Speaker 181 yeah it's no good all right post office two elena patel of the brookings institution says it might be time to reconsider that because it provides a public service.

Speaker 59 Yeah, bring in a think tank.

Speaker 77 Okay.

Speaker 184 We should be willing to compensate the Postal Service for doing that, and we do not currently. We don't come close to offsetting the costs of the USO for the Postal Service.

Speaker 181 USO is the universal service obligation, which requires the Postal Service to deliver to every address in the U.S.

Speaker 181 six days a week, even those on long-distance, low-density rural routes that don't generate much revenue.

Speaker 181 Patel says those costs would likely shift to taxpayers if the USO continued under privatization.

Speaker 184 I think that people in the administration think this is the right thing to do. I'm not sure that the American people or American business owners think that.

Speaker 181 She says the exceptions might be private shipping companies and their investors.

Speaker 181 In February, Wells Fargo wrote a report outlining, among other things, how mail and parcel delivery could be divvied up among the government and private companies like FedEx and UPS.

Speaker 181 A Wells Fargo spokesperson said in a statement that it was not recommending privatization.

Speaker 181 However, the American Postal Workers Union thought the report was controversial enough to release an ad about it.

Speaker 2 This is the Wall Street memo that the White House doesn't want you to see.

Speaker 135 A path to privatization of the post office.

Speaker 181 Union President Mark Dimonstein says the timing of the ad coincides with the 250th anniversary of the Postal Service and the arrival of the new Postmaster General, David Steiner, whose appointment was backed by Trump, as reported by the Washington Post.

Speaker 151 It's the old saying, you know, the fox guarding the hen house.

Speaker 181 Steiner left the board of FedEx to take the job, but a securities and exchange commission filing shows he retained company stock worth millions.

Speaker 9 Oh, no!

Speaker 9 Scoundrel!

Speaker 2 He's going to sell the stock, but it's beside the point. That's bullcrap.
You know,

Speaker 2 I've always argued this. You know, if you worry, I worked for an oil refinery and then I worked for the air pollution district inspecting refineries.

Speaker 2 And all it meant was that I now was on the other side of the fence and I knew a lot.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, I knew more than someone who's never worked at a refinery. It's a benefit.
It was better.

Speaker 149 What was the original, back in Ben's days, what was the original charter of the Postal Service?

Speaker 54 What was the idea?

Speaker 2 The idea was it was important to have a society that had

Speaker 2 communications with

Speaker 2 that was kind of franchised by the government. So everyone was assured that if you had to get a hold of somebody or send somebody something or

Speaker 2 mail obligations or whatever,

Speaker 2 it was for communications purposes. That was the...

Speaker 5 Thank you. No, thank you.

Speaker 112 This is good.

Speaker 157 It wasn't about your Amazon packages.

Speaker 139 It wasn't about your beef box.

Speaker 48 It wasn't even about your phone book.

Speaker 13 Remember those?

Speaker 68 It was really about a private communications service.

Speaker 2 And that's why would benefit the country.

Speaker 74 And that's why there's such heavy regulation on tampering with the U.S.

Speaker 127 mail.

Speaker 65 You can't go opening up people's envelopes.

Speaker 12 Right. It's illegal.

Speaker 13 It's illegal. So.

Speaker 2 And they'd love to get rid of that.

Speaker 101 What if the U.S.

Speaker 93 and this would, I would be all for this.

Speaker 30 What if the U.S.

Speaker 140 Postal Service modernized for give all the packages to FedEx and Amazon and UPS and whatever.

Speaker 70 It's fine.

Speaker 73 Figure that out.

Speaker 154 Because actually, I think the returns probably kill everybody.

Speaker 173 But

Speaker 30 what if the U.S.

Speaker 54 Postal Service ran an email service that was, and they made it easy for everybody to encrypt their messages on their side.

Speaker 9 So none of this, like, oh, don't worry, we'll encrypt it in the cloud.

Speaker 180 None of that.

Speaker 117 Just encrypt it on your side.

Speaker 66 And once someone has, you know, so you have, if you want to, if I want to send you an email, I have to have your public key.

Speaker 187 They could provide that directory service.

Speaker 66 So you can easily find someone's public key and then you can receive it.

Speaker 65 And we can have true secure communications.

Speaker 95 And at the same time,

Speaker 48 with the brand new stablecoin, they charge

Speaker 66 a very nominal fee for sending a message to someone, which would do two things.

Speaker 159 One, it would, in theory, provide a real secure communication service.

Speaker 47 And this can be done.

Speaker 54 I believe that it can be done without the government still spying on you.

Speaker 9 And two.

Speaker 2 The government wants to spy on you, but continue.

Speaker 35 And And two, it would reduce spam because spam would then become unprofitable.

Speaker 84 And even if it was just for bull crap, I would love to have an email box that works with, you know, so if I send 100 emails, I might wind up, you know, spending 10 cents.

Speaker 35 You know, it's fractional. It's digital.

Speaker 66 So you can take your stable coin and you can break it down into little stable coinlets or whatever we're going to call it.

Speaker 2 Pennies.

Speaker 40 No, less than pennies.

Speaker 36 It has to be less than pennies.

Speaker 2 Well, a stable coin is supposed to represent a dollar.

Speaker 190 Yeah, but a fraction.

Speaker 2 Well, that would be like representing a penny.

Speaker 117 Okay, boomer.

Speaker 62 How do they get smaller?

Speaker 12 Is it going to get smaller than that?

Speaker 135 Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 9 Half a penny?

Speaker 67 Yes.

Speaker 73 How about a hundredth of a penny? Of course.

Speaker 78 That's the whole beauty of digital money.

Speaker 35 And that way, at least we could have a functioning email system, which would be reasonably secured.

Speaker 65 At least, you know, the only one who could be spying on you is the government.

Speaker 13 Google is worse.

Speaker 101 You won't get advertisements through it.

Speaker 125 I'm just thinking that would that would be a great way to replace the U.S.

Speaker 30 postal system, get it off our books, get all the other stuff,

Speaker 78 don't privatize it.

Speaker 41 Just here, we're not doing it anymore.

Speaker 9 You guys, by the way, you'll see them all go, oh, what?

Speaker 180 You're not, what?

Speaker 145 We don't get government contracts.

Speaker 11 No, you got to do it yourself.

Speaker 9 I would be all for that.

Speaker 23 I think that would revolutionize interpersonal communications.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it would, but it's not going to happen. The FBI would be against it.
Everybody would be against it.

Speaker 191 Who runs this country?

Speaker 9 The people or the FBI?

Speaker 62 It ain't the people.

Speaker 179 All right. Well, I think it's a platform I could run on.

Speaker 2 You could. I mean, I think it'd pay up to a penny.

Speaker 45 Well,

Speaker 45 that'd be fine.

Speaker 2 I'd pay a penny a a message if I knew it was going to get through instead of getting blocked and spammed and thrown in the junk mail like the newsletter.

Speaker 5 All right, hold on.

Speaker 50 Let me ask you the question.

Speaker 117 So, if it's a penny, which is what you are advocating for instead of my fraction of a penny, and you're sending out 30,000 newsletters, how much will that cost you per newsletter?

Speaker 2 A penny, a newsletter.

Speaker 13 No, per person, a penny.

Speaker 168 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 157 So, how many dollars is that?

Speaker 84 $300?

Speaker 31 $300.

Speaker 2 It would be $100. No, it would be $30.

Speaker 178 No. No.
It would be $300.

Speaker 9 It would be $300.

Speaker 144 Do you still like your penny or do you like my fraction of a penny idea better?

Speaker 126 Well,

Speaker 2 for $300, if I could, well, I would actually say for $300, it'd be worth it to get the

Speaker 161 rate doubled.

Speaker 99 Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 So we'd bring in twice as much in donations. It would be be worth the $300 easy.

Speaker 32 There you go.

Speaker 45 I've proven my point.

Speaker 9 No, you haven't.

Speaker 95 I've proven something.

Speaker 68 You wouldn't have to pay MailChimp.

Speaker 54 You could just have your own email server.

Speaker 14 MailChimp costs us at least, what, $100 a month at least?

Speaker 9 Try $400.

Speaker 51 Holy mackerel.

Speaker 37 $400 a month for MailChimp?

Speaker 96 Yeah. And you know why?

Speaker 30 It's because they have to pay the whitelisting services so you can even get through to Gmail and Yahoo and AOL or whatever else is out there.

Speaker 12 AOL.

Speaker 38 Prodigy.

Speaker 149 So you can get their prodigy mail.

Speaker 67 CompuServe.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Anyway, that was just an idea.

Speaker 112 Just a free idea from Adam

Speaker 193 for the government to fix everything, to stop this nonsense and stop, and

Speaker 27 get Scott Simon back to drinking margaritas on the weekend.

Speaker 71 Clip number three.

Speaker 181 The Postal Service Board of Governors chairwoman told NPR that Steiner is in the process of divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks. And in his first message to postal workers,

Speaker 63 stop, stop, stop.

Speaker 2 Why did he have to say, quote?

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's what you're saying. Oh, he's going to divest from, quote, prohibited stocks.
Why didn't he just say they have to divest from prohibited stocks? There's no reason for it to say quote.

Speaker 2 Is it like some sort of a is like air quotes? And he's like, oh, prohibited bullcrap. It's a scam.

Speaker 12 That's what it implies.

Speaker 177 Maybe the guy said it that way.

Speaker 28 That's the way I took it.

Speaker 16 Let's listen again.

Speaker 2 I don't think so. Let's listen again.

Speaker 181 The Postal Service Board of Governors chairwoman told NPR that Steiner is in the process of divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.

Speaker 181 And in his first message to postal workers, Steiner tried to dispel rumors about the changes he would bring.

Speaker 139 First, I do not believe that the Postal Service should be privatized or that it should become an appropriated part of the federal government.

Speaker 16 Postal unions say they welcome the statement, but we'll be watching Steiner's actions.

Speaker 181 Rural customers will likely do the same. For NPR News, I'm Nick Loomis in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Speaker 76 I'm thinking.

Speaker 53 So the whole story was bogus.

Speaker 76 Yes, of course it was.

Speaker 2 It starts with a bunch of stuff and then it ends with the guy saying, no, that's not going to happen. Why are you even doing the story? Is what he should have finished with?

Speaker 66 Because they got a $400,000 a year guy sitting on his butt drinking margaritas on the weekend.

Speaker 96 They got to get Scott Simon out to do some work.

Speaker 167 Unbelievable.

Speaker 146 I think I should lobby to be the next postmaster general.

Speaker 23 It would be so easy.

Speaker 98 Shut it down.

Speaker 78 You can take all of our employees.

Speaker 18 They're good employees.

Speaker 177 They're good guys. Good guys and good gals.

Speaker 2 Actually, I'd say 99% of them are.

Speaker 9 I agree. Oh, definitely.

Speaker 11 I love our mail carrier.

Speaker 9 They're funny.

Speaker 2 I like the people at the post office. They're very friendly.

Speaker 16 Not all, but most of them.

Speaker 11 They are here.

Speaker 23 Not all.

Speaker 2 There's always always one. We used to have a post office.

Speaker 63 Wait for it. Wait for it.

Speaker 9 Wait for it.

Speaker 108 I would be the podmaster general.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. I'm going to skip that story.

Speaker 12 Let's do

Speaker 2 what else we got here. Oh, here's an interesting thing.
It says I got most of these NPR clips. You have to listen to this NPR beeped.

Speaker 2 This is a very short clip, and I'm scratching my my head over this one.

Speaker 76 Okay.

Speaker 127 A quick warning: there are curse words that are un-beeped in today's episode of the show.

Speaker 173 If you prefer a beeped version, you can find that at our website, thisamericanlife.org.

Speaker 118 What?

Speaker 61 Beeped. Well, this must be the podcast.
This wasn't over-the-air, I presume.

Speaker 25 They do not.

Speaker 2 It was taken off the internet, but it was on a website that streams the over-the-air feed.

Speaker 2 Well, but I guess

Speaker 2 they they never played that show anyway, so I couldn't tell if they were cussing or not.

Speaker 31 And

Speaker 2 what did they bleep and why?

Speaker 54 Well, why didn't you investigate?

Speaker 117 Why didn't you do a deep dye?

Speaker 2 I thought that was good enough right there. I did all the work I felt like doing.

Speaker 140 Are you trying to just get as many NPR clips as possible before they fold?

Speaker 11 It's all going to go away. It's all going to be a good thing.

Speaker 135 It's not going to go away because here,

Speaker 2 you stuck me on this. NPR new donation ad.
It's not going to go away with ads like this.

Speaker 129 Federal funding for public media has been eliminated. That means decades of bipartisan support for public radio and television is ending.

Speaker 129 To be clear, NPR isn't going anywhere, but we do need your support. Please give today to help keep rigorous, independent, and irreplaceable news coverage available to everybody free of charge.

Speaker 129 You can make your gift at donate.npr.org and thank you.

Speaker 115 Thank you.

Speaker 143 Yes.

Speaker 17 Wow, that's a horrible brand.

Speaker 2 These ads,

Speaker 2 I'd say half of the programming now are at these ads.

Speaker 13 It's a horrible ask.

Speaker 9 It's not a way to ask. It's no good.

Speaker 67 It's no good.

Speaker 67 All right.

Speaker 2 Balls in your court.

Speaker 98 Okay.

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 101 in that case,

Speaker 174 I'll go to my favorite topic.

Speaker 57 We know that there's already a pivot to quantum computing because...

Speaker 2 Oh, God, you're not going to go there.

Speaker 11 Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 74 Let's do do more NPR.

Speaker 2 No, you can go with quantum, but you're gonna hear a lot of moaning and groaning. Okay.

Speaker 157 Well, this is only about the facts.

Speaker 194 Another heat wave this week as Com Ed customers in the Chicago area bear not only rising temperatures, but sky-high electric bills. Some reporting paying double what they were billed last month.

Speaker 194 On June 1st, a supply rate increase took effect due to a spike in the wholesale cost of electricity and supply charge, as well as increased energy use in the region. One reason for that increase?

Speaker 195 We're also seeing nationally, but also in Illinois, the effect of increasing demand on the grid from technologies that have nothing to do with cooling people off.

Speaker 195 It has to do with providing services related to artificial intelligence or AI, so data centers that we see

Speaker 195 building out across the nation.

Speaker 182 We are not going to be operating quantum computers, at least not yet.

Speaker 182 We're going to be delivering power to them.

Speaker 194 Just yesterday, the CEO of Comet spoke at the Global Quantum Forum in Illinois, referencing the future demand of electricity at the Illinois Quantum Microelectronics Park.

Speaker 182 Quantum computers need to be kept at temperatures near absolute zero to ensure the stability of qubits.

Speaker 131 Qubits, we have to ensure the stability of the qubits.

Speaker 95 Turn off your air conditioners.

Speaker 182 Near absolute zero to ensure the stability of qubits

Speaker 9 that requires a lot of electricity

Speaker 182 in fact comed's nation-leading reliability was a key factor in psy quantum's decision to be the anchor tenant of the illinois quantum and microelectronics park this is gonna this is the dumb this shows you how dumb they are in some parts of this country the chicago this is chicago darren's backyard yeah

Speaker 9 but this is happening This is happening.

Speaker 2 A couple of points. One, you think that maybe the grid is being taxed by electrical vehicles that are constantly hooked to it, sucking energy off to fill their tanks?

Speaker 2 No, it's got nothing to do with it. Also, quantum computing, if it could ever be shown to work as opposed to faked,

Speaker 2 it uses like one quintillion amount,

Speaker 2 as much

Speaker 2 it could do one quintillion more than a regular computer so thus overall it should require one quintillion less in terms of power once it achieves the it seems to me it should use like a nine volt battery should keep it going if you are talking for all the work it can do you are talking against the narrative of silicon valley my friend This is not how that's how technology used to work.

Speaker 178 Today, if you want it to do more, you've got to pay more.

Speaker 117 It's got to be more expensive.

Speaker 9 Got to suck more power.

Speaker 2 So the basic old school of Silicon Valley was things got broken.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 109 Cheaper

Speaker 2 and faster and cheaper and faster and smaller. Smaller, cheaper, faster.
Every generation was smaller. It was cheaper.
It was faster. But now.

Speaker 157 Well, I think Apple showed us that that's not the way.

Speaker 73 Every new iPhone is more expensive,

Speaker 78 ruins your battery quicker.

Speaker 78 And you've got to upgrade sooner.

Speaker 84 They flipped the script on this.

Speaker 119 I know.

Speaker 10 I mean, I'm with you, obviously.

Speaker 66 I mean, I still have a TRS-100 that runs on two AAs.

Speaker 168 The TRS-100.

Speaker 2 That didn't use much juice.

Speaker 87 Well, it only had an eight-line L C D display, but man, it could do basic.

Speaker 127 I've actually been doing some deep dives.

Speaker 167 Oh, God.

Speaker 39 There is a resurgence.

Speaker 87 Are you ready for this?

Speaker 2 I'm already sensing what you're going to say.

Speaker 11 Okay, tell me.

Speaker 62 A resurgence in old junk.

Speaker 37 No, no.

Speaker 2 People finding old TRS-8100s and they're repurposing them.

Speaker 47 If only.

Speaker 98 No, I want to run Linux.

Speaker 66 I want to run Ubuntu on my TRS-100.

Speaker 2 That's what I would think. People want to run

Speaker 2 Ubuntu on a TRS-100.

Speaker 115 No.

Speaker 13 Oh, okay.

Speaker 11 There's, there's, you know, AI,

Speaker 10 let's just call it AI, large language models.

Speaker 37 It turns out that it's pretty much the same

Speaker 175 basic principles going back to 1958

Speaker 199 when a guy named John McCarthy invented.

Speaker 78 Take it away, John.

Speaker 2 I don't know what, well, John McCarthy, there's two schools. Before you go on to this, I'm going to say this one thing.

Speaker 2 And I know what you're doing, but John McCarthy was on the wrong side of history. There were two schools of thought when it came to AI.

Speaker 2 And every time the John McCarthy side had its moment, which was including the 80s, they all failed because it was mostly machine learning and we didn't really have anything to do with anything.

Speaker 2 And the counter to that was always neural networks, which could never work.

Speaker 2 It's neural networks that are working today that make AI what what it is, that can do the art and all the rest of it.

Speaker 85 Interestingly enough, there is a resurgence in Lisp programming because they can't seem to get the AI going any further than it is today.

Speaker 173 Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 84 I'm just telling you,

Speaker 2 there was a whole conference not Lisp programming.

Speaker 9 Lisp. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Everyone's all-time favorite.

Speaker 11 I'm just telling you that they just had a worldwide conference.

Speaker 21 The AI guys are going back to Lisp because they can't seem to get the neural networks doing any intelligence

Speaker 66 other than the neural networks, which is giving you, you know, your Scaramanga, his eight-second videos, and Darren O'Neal, his orange images.

Speaker 2 And I would like to say, by the way, I have a comment on the orange images. I would suggest that somebody show,

Speaker 2 use Lisp and create some of the art that Darren creates with just a few prompts.

Speaker 66 What, did you not hear what I just said?

Speaker 66 That the neural networks, they are definitely responsible, I'll say it again, for Scaramanga's eight-seven years.

Speaker 63 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 9 I'm saying, yes.

Speaker 2 And if I'm not arguing that, what I'm saying is that if the Lisp is so good that we can go back to it, I want to see it produce some art as good as Scaramanga's.

Speaker 179 No, they want to use Lisp for the reasoning and for the recursive.

Speaker 11 Yes, I'm telling you. I'm not.

Speaker 2 Well, that's insanity.

Speaker 109 I'm reporting it to you.

Speaker 188 I'm not, like, advocating for it.

Speaker 2 Well, you might as well be.

Speaker 132 Oh,

Speaker 160 you're insufferable sometimes.

Speaker 2 I am. I'm totally insufferable.
It's pathetic.

Speaker 66 But you know what the number one language is being used currently today for

Speaker 117 artificial intelligence, large language models, not for your image crap? Do you know what it is?

Speaker 66 The number one language?

Speaker 18 You got me. Python.

Speaker 28 Oh, that doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 2 Which which is lame by comparison to list exactly this is exactly why they're going back to it it's it's fascinating to see well they go back to small talk

Speaker 46 apple talk

Speaker 78 novell networks now that was a technology i tell you

Speaker 15 now we sound like a couple of farts that so i've decided i'm ben x that is my new generation i am not gen x i am ben x anyway what's ben ben ben what ben the be for Boomer, Ben X.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's interesting. Thank you.

Speaker 2 I think Boom X would be better. No, no.

Speaker 37 So Sam Altman

Speaker 2 are very tortured, tortured, multi-millionaire.

Speaker 95 I don't know if he's a...

Speaker 9 You should.

Speaker 2 Isn't he part of that sex cult?

Speaker 2 Am I conflating a bunch of different people?

Speaker 57 You're thinking of the FTX guy.

Speaker 81 You're thinking of Sam Bankman Freed.

Speaker 2 No, no, I'm not thinking of it. No, I'm thinking about

Speaker 2 the group that's still running around here that is sex-oriented.

Speaker 104 Oh, the

Speaker 16 what were they called again? The

Speaker 2 yeah, them.

Speaker 74 Those guys.

Speaker 81 Someone in the troll room should know what it is.

Speaker 88 Yeah,

Speaker 2 okay, continue talking. So

Speaker 9 Sam Altman, he's doing some pre-promotion for Model 5. Model 5, everybody.

Speaker 86 I mean, listen, we just need another trillion trillion dollars once we have more compute.

Speaker 160 AI is

Speaker 23 AI is really effective altruism.

Speaker 15 Thank you very much, Maxibilian.

Speaker 2 Yeah, effective altruism.

Speaker 113 No, he's the opposite of that because now he went all in on

Speaker 81 commercialism.

Speaker 70 He wants to get filthy rich now.

Speaker 15 Remember, they're trying to spin all that out.

Speaker 2 Who doesn't?

Speaker 28 Exactly.

Speaker 15 Sam Altman is doing just fine.

Speaker 74 So Sam needs to explain to everybody that if we just get a little more money,

Speaker 23 it will really be smart.

Speaker 109 It's blowing me away.

Speaker 98 I'm telling you.

Speaker 9 So where would you go?

Speaker 2 Hey, I have to say that no one has said this. I'm going to say it.
Okay. It turns out that Sam Altman is one of the greatest salespeople in the history of sales.
And no one

Speaker 2 recognizes the simple fact. He is really good.
at sales.

Speaker 18 I think his pitch is getting old.

Speaker 145 He still works.

Speaker 2 He's still getting money.

Speaker 30 He does it, yes. But he does it.

Speaker 2 I mean, to you, you're like, you know, you can see this, but most people can't.

Speaker 30 I see right through it.

Speaker 101 I mean, the guy is clearly lying.

Speaker 19 You know, he's just sitting there like, he's lying.

Speaker 5 He's lying.

Speaker 12 He's a salesman lying.

Speaker 99 Oh, no.

Speaker 66 So he goes on, of all podcasts, if you really want to reach the masses, Theo Vaughn.

Speaker 26 This is a fantastic podcast.

Speaker 66 And I didn't clip this, but at a certain point, Theo Vaughn says,

Speaker 115 don't you think think it's kind of like old-fashioned for women to have babies?

Speaker 54 I mean, shouldn't we just have them in vats? You know, and Sam almost like, Yeah, you know, obviously, we'd have much better humans, obviously.

Speaker 12 So,

Speaker 12 no, yes.

Speaker 2 And you didn't clip that?

Speaker 48 No,

Speaker 83 it was too creepy.

Speaker 67 And anyway, so

Speaker 83 here's his pre-sale. These are two very short clips.

Speaker 160 Here's his pre-sale of Model 5.

Speaker 116 But what it comes with, what are you, what do you fear, Sam?

Speaker 110 And Sam is, uh, uh, uh,

Speaker 13 you know what?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 83 What's like one of your fears?

Speaker 25 Like, what's a fear you have of AI?

Speaker 177 Like, if you have like a fearful space that it could go, like, I know you mentioned it a little bit.

Speaker 9 This morning, I was testing our new model, and I got a question.

Speaker 137 I got emailed a question that I didn't quite understand.

Speaker 9 Uh, and I put it in the model.

Speaker 137 this GPT-5 and it answered it perfectly. And I really kind of sat back in my chair and I was just like, oh man, here it is moment.
And I got over it quickly. I got busy on to the next thing.

Speaker 137 But it was like, I mean, it's what kind of we're talking about. I felt like useless relative to the AI in this thing that I felt like I should have been able to do and I couldn't.

Speaker 137 And it was really hard, but the AI just did it like that.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 9 It was a weird feeling. Yeah.

Speaker 84 Model 5, GPT 5.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm smelling ketamine.

Speaker 38 That's probably true. I like that.

Speaker 126 So

Speaker 78 then we get his actual fear,

Speaker 145 which he doesn't know how to solve.

Speaker 137 Another thing I'm afraid of, and

Speaker 99 we had a, you know,

Speaker 99 we had a, you know,

Speaker 99 a real problem with this earlier, but it can get much worse, is just what this is going to mean for users' mental health.

Speaker 147 There's a lot of people that talk to ChatGPT all day long.

Speaker 137 There are these sort of new AI companions that people talk to like they would a girlfriend or a boyfriend.

Speaker 137 And we were talking earlier about how it's probably not been good for kids to like grow up like on the dopamine hit of scrolling. You know, for sure or whatever.

Speaker 142 Yeah, do you think that how do you keep like

Speaker 200 AI from having that same effect, like that negative effect that social media really has had?

Speaker 137 I'm scared of that.

Speaker 137 I don't have an answer yet.

Speaker 137 I don't think we know quite the ways in which it's going to have those negative impacts.

Speaker 9 Yes, we do.

Speaker 137 But I feel for sure it's going to have some, and we'll have to. I hope we can learn to mitigate it quickly.

Speaker 200 Can AIs, can they pull up pornography and stuff like that, too, or now? Sure.

Speaker 9 Sure. Oh, my God.
Sure.

Speaker 17 God, I didn't know that.

Speaker 46 No, it's fine.

Speaker 9 Listen to him laughing.

Speaker 10 By the way, you have to know Theo Vaughn had a very serious porn addiction.

Speaker 200 Can AIs, can they pull up pornography and stuff like that, too, or now? Sure, sure.

Speaker 167 Oh, my God.

Speaker 17 God, I didn't know that.

Speaker 200 No, it's fine. Yeah, but I just, yeah, I don't even need to know that.
I'm going to have that stricken from my own record.

Speaker 61 So there it is.

Speaker 83 There is his biggest fear, which, of course, he knows all about.

Speaker 157 This is not his fear.

Speaker 55 This is his exit strategy.

Speaker 154 Everybody needs to be talking to their ChatGPT.

Speaker 10 You know, if you pick, if you pull it, I know you don't have an app for it.

Speaker 70 But if you were to ever install an app on your phone in the drawer,

Speaker 146 Chat GPT has tabs at the top, and the first one is like general, and the second one is therapy.

Speaker 88 They are literally giving this to people.

Speaker 2 There's a tab, therapy tab.

Speaker 62 It says therapy, and it comes with it.

Speaker 2 Yep. Built right in.
Well,

Speaker 80 tell us more.

Speaker 160 Well, that's where people go for therapy.

Speaker 67 And then

Speaker 86 the AI starts talking to you like a therapist.

Speaker 2 This is not regulated.

Speaker 23 Well, no.

Speaker 2 You just can't put a shingle out and say, I'm a therapist without having a license.

Speaker 21 Actually, I think you can.

Speaker 2 I don't think so.

Speaker 12 I think you can.

Speaker 88 Not in the state of California.

Speaker 74 Hmm. I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 32 I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 2 You have to be a licensed, either a psychologist or a licensed psychiatrist or a psychiatrist. I don't think you need a license for that.

Speaker 9 I don't know. MD.

Speaker 11 I mean, I don't know if you need to be.

Speaker 2 It's like Lucy, free advice, five cents.

Speaker 9 Well, there you go.

Speaker 117 Lucy was in violation of the law.

Speaker 19 Let's see. Let me ask Grok.

Speaker 135 Do you? Yes, ask Grock.

Speaker 2 Grock would know.

Speaker 9 Do you need a license to be a therapist?

Speaker 13 All right, let's find out.

Speaker 26 Yes, you typically do, but it depends on location.

Speaker 26 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 9 Well, we have a lot of therapists and some of the things that we're looking at.

Speaker 2 Some of them should chime in on this bullcrap.

Speaker 128 Yeah,

Speaker 159 because none of it's good, obviously.

Speaker 2 Well, if it says therapy, they're offering therapeutic services that are unlicensed. It says it right there, they should sue them.

Speaker 2 The state of California should sue the company over this immediately.

Speaker 35 Well, anyway, I'm

Speaker 127 the more I look at X, which has you know, Grok essentially built into it, you know, so and every I love the number one question I think posted on X is: at Grock, is this true?

Speaker 54 That's my favorite.

Speaker 70 That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, that's what you do.

Speaker 65 So, the snake is eating its tail continuously.

Speaker 26 And it just seems like you cannot get away from ingesting crap and then just more crap comes out.

Speaker 66 That's just the model collapse to me is just

Speaker 30 that's that's why we have to keep getting.

Speaker 2 Well, it's just going to be like you say, if it's going to be model collapse, I know,

Speaker 27 then I'm not worried about it.

Speaker 2 Then, why are you worried about any of this?

Speaker 101 I'm not, but I have to fill time on this podcast.

Speaker 11 So I

Speaker 9 might as well.

Speaker 2 That makes sense.

Speaker 45 And when it comes to crap, just,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 78 just have a look at my timeline and look at all of the number accounts.

Speaker 108 You know, like

Speaker 117 Dolores 597-2236.

Speaker 146 These are bots.

Speaker 48 There's no one who would accept their username to be Dolores 39226.

Speaker 19 People will try anything. Let me do it.

Speaker 9 If it's Dolores 1960, okay, Boomer Dolores, I got you.

Speaker 18 This thing is filled with bots.

Speaker 59 And the more I look at it and the more I see what kind of comments are being made by these bots, the more I am convinced that

Speaker 74 all of these social networks are now just completely flooded by intelligence agencies massaging a narrative. And it doesn't mean that they're doing it in in

Speaker 74 for the benefit of the administration.

Speaker 104 They're doing it for the benefit of

Speaker 71 whatever their messaging is.

Speaker 117 And nothing quite sums it up.

Speaker 2 And why wouldn't you do that?

Speaker 9 Exactly.

Speaker 39 And nothing quite sums it up as the Harvard cyber speech from President Obama, where he was clearly projecting.

Speaker 101 And in hindsight, you're like, wow, this is really taking place right now.

Speaker 86 The Epstein conversation is a part of it.

Speaker 65 The Mossad, Israel, all of this is a part of it.

Speaker 197 In Myanmar, it's been well documented that hate speech shared on Facebook played a role in the murderous campaign targeting the Rohingya community.

Speaker 197 Social media platforms have been similarly implicated in fanning ethnic violence in Ethiopia, far-right extremism in Europe.

Speaker 197 Authoritarian regimes and strongmen around the world, from China to Hungary, the Philippines, Brazil, have learned to conscript social media media platforms to turn their own populations against groups they don't like, whether it's ethnic minorities, the LGBTQ community, journalists, political opponents, and of course, autocrats like Putin have used these platforms as a strategic weapon against democratic countries that they consider a threat.

Speaker 197 People like Putin and Steve Bannon for that matter understand it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions.

Speaker 197 You just have to flood a country's country's public square with enough raw sewage.

Speaker 197 You just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe.

Speaker 197 Once they lose trust in their leaders, in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of truth, the game's won.

Speaker 197 And as Putin discovered leading up to the 2016 election, our own social media platforms are well designed to support such a mission, such a project.

Speaker 197 Russians could study and manipulate patterns in the engagement ranking system on a Facebook or a YouTube.

Speaker 197 And as a result, Russians, state-sponsored trolls, could almost guarantee that whatever disinformation they put out there would reach millions of Americans.

Speaker 78 And that the more inflammatory the story, the quicker it's spread.

Speaker 96 Yeah.

Speaker 78 And that's being done today, right now, by our own intelligence community.

Speaker 2 It's being done by Obama's boys.

Speaker 2 The Cloward pivon strategy.

Speaker 159 The digital version.

Speaker 37 It's a digital version of it completely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's working.

Speaker 2 It kind of expressed how it works. It clogged the sewers.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 And it's working.

Speaker 109 And you just, and how do you make it even crazier?

Speaker 12 Add AI.

Speaker 61 Just add some scaramanga images.

Speaker 2 I don't think it makes it crazier. It just makes it easier.

Speaker 23 No,

Speaker 55 easier for them to do, yes.

Speaker 132 Yeah.

Speaker 112 But I think it accelerates.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 93 you made me laugh so hard the other day.

Speaker 26 You should have someone watching you when you post on X.

Speaker 2 Which one, what post got you?

Speaker 76 The one where you said, who is this woman next to Trump?

Speaker 41 How come she's never mentioned?

Speaker 9 It was Melania. You didn't do that.

Speaker 2 Yes, I said this picture shows up a lot. Who is this woman next to Trump? And I wanted somebody to tell me.

Speaker 9 Oh, okay.

Speaker 169 And I was like, it's clearly Melania.

Speaker 23 It doesn't look anything like her.

Speaker 11 Oh, it's totally Melania.

Speaker 2 It doesn't look anything like her.

Speaker 2 And it has to be pre-2004. He wasn't dating her then.

Speaker 11 I don't know how long he's been dating.

Speaker 101 Well, that doesn't mean that that.

Speaker 125 What do you mean?

Speaker 25 It has to be pre-2004.

Speaker 2 Because he broke up with Epstein.

Speaker 2 It's documented in 2004. He never saw him again.

Speaker 2 Well, when did he spoke to him after 2004. That was the date.
You got to get all the clips you want.

Speaker 95 When did he start dating Melania?

Speaker 2 Well, it had to be after Marla Maples.

Speaker 37 And when did he divorce Marla Maples?

Speaker 9 Well, let's find out when he divorces Marla Maples.

Speaker 95 I'm trying to look at your timeline.

Speaker 13 Your timeline is

Speaker 174 100% TikTok crazy videos.

Speaker 10 I can't even find the Melania video.

Speaker 27 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 84 You're out of control.

Speaker 2 It's not a video, it's a still photo.

Speaker 18 Who is this woman, question mark?

Speaker 66 I constantly see this photo of Trump from 20-plus years ago.

Speaker 145 Who is this woman he is with?

Speaker 11 Why is she never identified?

Speaker 179 Well, what's wrong with that?

Speaker 37 Well, it's clearly Melania.

Speaker 2 It's not clearly Melania.

Speaker 179 It doesn't look anything like her.

Speaker 46 It looks exactly like her.

Speaker 25 When did they first start dating? Let's see.

Speaker 2 Yeah, look at it. You do that and I'll look at Marla Maples when she was divorced.

Speaker 149 Okay.

Speaker 9 Well, that doesn't mean he wasn't hanging out with her at the time.

Speaker 86 Here, Zampoli introduced her to Donald Trump in 1998.

Speaker 71 She began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter.

Speaker 5 Marlowe, who?

Speaker 19 Melania.

Speaker 2 Melania was dating Donald Trump in 1998.

Speaker 12 I didn't say that.

Speaker 66 Zampoli,

Speaker 160 Paolo Zampoli, I'm sure a fine individual.

Speaker 140 introduced her to Trump in 1998.

Speaker 110 She began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter.

Speaker 83 Trump worked to get Melania modeling jobs, and she supported him during his 2000 presidential campaign.

Speaker 174 And they were married in 2005.

Speaker 14 So your timeline works.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm completely wrong.
And she's changed her look, which wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 176 Well,

Speaker 144 she's 25 years older or 20 years older than the picture.

Speaker 2 Marlon Maples got divorced in 1999.

Speaker 58 There you go.

Speaker 192 Because he was dating Melania in 98.

Speaker 126 Hello?

Speaker 10 So the timeline works.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you got me.

Speaker 2 Well, now I know. I wonder who this picture of this woman was.

Speaker 12 It's Melania.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, now I didn't know. That's why I asked.
That's what I use Twitter for. I use it for a point of information.

Speaker 2 I see this picture keep showing up over and over and over again, and nobody identifies. And they say, here's Trump with Epstein, and Epstein's with

Speaker 2 Ghislaine, and there's no mention of the woman.

Speaker 145 You use Twitter to A-B-test test crazy TikTok videos to play on One America News.

Speaker 169 It's your testing ground.

Speaker 23 You see how many, what people like it the most.

Speaker 67 Have you been on her show?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was on again last Friday.

Speaker 47 I missed it.

Speaker 9 I need to see it.

Speaker 2 You just grouse about it.

Speaker 176 I think it's...

Speaker 78 No, I think you're doing it wrong.

Speaker 57 You need to get an act together.

Speaker 10 This is why I'm grousing.

Speaker 145 You'd be perfect.

Speaker 64 You need a hat.

Speaker 51 We already discussed that.

Speaker 165 He's called a tech grouch.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 140 You got to do a little crazy voice and you got to say, you know, you got to have a catchphrase.

Speaker 11 You don't have a catchphrase.

Speaker 2 I don't have a catchphrase.

Speaker 101 So your catchphrase should be, who are these women?

Speaker 154 That should be your catchphrase.

Speaker 2 Plus, not always just women. Okay.

Speaker 77 All right.

Speaker 164 Anyway.

Speaker 2 I got a gem lined up next time I'm on.

Speaker 117 I noticed you've stopped bringing them to the show.

Speaker 10 You're like, I'm not giving away my good stuff here.

Speaker 2 No, that's because, no,

Speaker 2 I have an outlet for it that's other than the show because you grouse and moan and groan and make my life, I'll bring the next show is going to be loaded with TikToks.

Speaker 11 Loaded with TikToks.

Speaker 94 No, the next show on Thursday is going to be our exit strategies, which is even better than TikToks.

Speaker 12 Even better.

Speaker 2 It'll give a lot of people good ideas. Yes.

Speaker 9 Yeah. We're full of them.
Hours worth.

Speaker 9 We're full of it. You're right.

Speaker 51 Or hours worth.

Speaker 87 All right.

Speaker 174 What's the Bove controversy?

Speaker 149 What is that?

Speaker 2 Okay, this is the guy that they're making a big fuss about this guy.

Speaker 2 He is the Trump lawyer who helped him out in some city.

Speaker 2 Well, it's all explained in these clips, but he wants to make him a member of one of the circuit courts of appeal, and everybody's fighting against it. And they ram rotted it through the committee.

Speaker 2 And the committee, the Democrats and the committee, this is when the committee walked out.

Speaker 12 Oh, I missed all of this.

Speaker 95 This is the drama, high drama. How did I not catch this?

Speaker 2 Oh, the walkout was the best because you had

Speaker 2 Hiromo and

Speaker 2 were bitching and moaning. And what's his name? The black guy who's always yelling and screaming who did the 17-hour filibuster, whose name for some reason eludes me.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Corey Booker.

Speaker 132 Corey Booker.

Speaker 2 So Corey Booker's, this is outrageous. This is outrageous.
And then they all left, and it was a big stink because they were trying to get this guy through. So let's listen to clip one.

Speaker 122 President Trump helped reshape the federal courts during his first term in office, and he relied heavily on the Federalist Society in that effort, which helped him zero in on judges with a conservative, originalist interpretation of the Constitution.

Speaker 122 Now the nomination's machinery is restarting, and Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only one step away from the United States.

Speaker 9 Where is this?

Speaker 13 Who, um,

Speaker 47 what outlet is this?

Speaker 2 NPR.

Speaker 26 So they just say Trump.

Speaker 66 They don't say President Trump anymore. They just say Trump.

Speaker 2 No, no, it's just NPR. They hate Trump.
Okay. And I I should mention they talk about the Federalist Society and Trump's not using him as much as they used to.

Speaker 2 And they never mentioned the reason, which is Amy Comey Barrett, who did, who's been kind of on the fence. She's not that conservative on a lot of issues.

Speaker 37 Yeah, that's why he stopped using the Heritage Foundation, because they boned him.

Speaker 2 Well, it's the Federalist, this group here that really.

Speaker 69 I'm sorry, Federalist Society.

Speaker 202 Yeah, I'm different.

Speaker 2 Yes, they boned him.

Speaker 168 They boned him. They boned him.

Speaker 122 And Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only one step away from the federal bench.

Speaker 122 I'm joined by NPR's Kerry Johnson for a look at what Emil Bovey could tell us about Trump's approach to judges in his second term. Kerry, welcome.

Speaker 134 Hi, Juana.

Speaker 122 So, Carrie, start if you can by just telling us who Amil Bovey is and why his nominee.

Speaker 67 I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 I'm so irritated.

Speaker 2 I'm hearing Emil Bovey.

Speaker 161 I'm so irritated by this.

Speaker 14 What happened in news where you just went like, okay, with us, we have John C.

Speaker 86 Dvorak.

Speaker 74 John, John, tell us exactly what's going on here.

Speaker 95 When did it have to become, hi, Amy?

Speaker 21 Hi, hi, Nanny.

Speaker 5 Hi, Bibi.

Speaker 21 Hi, Jamie.

Speaker 2 Hi, Snaki.

Speaker 23 Why is that?

Speaker 37 It doesn't, it just wastes my time.

Speaker 122 About Trump's approach to judges in his second term. Carrie, welcome.

Speaker 134 Hi, Juana.

Speaker 122 So, Gary, start if you can by just telling us who Amal Bovey is and why this nomination is so controversial.

Speaker 134 Well, he's got some pretty strong credentials.

Speaker 134 He graduated from Georgetown Law School, did a couple of clerkships with conservative federal judges, and then got a job in what might be the most prestigious U.S.

Speaker 134 Attorney's Office in the entire country in Manhattan. And of course, he went on to defend Donald Trump in his various criminal cases.

Speaker 134 The White House Communications Director says Amel Bovey is supremely qualified and a man of integrity. He says there's nobody more capable for the U.S.
Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.

Speaker 134 And at his confirmation hearing, Bovey told senators he's been misunderstood.

Speaker 203 I am not anybody's henchman. I'm not an enforcer.
I'm a lawyer from a small town who never expected to be in an arena like this.

Speaker 132 It's AMOL.

Speaker 119 A-M-A-L.

Speaker 60 AMOL.

Speaker 119 Or E-E-M-I-L.

Speaker 70 What is it?

Speaker 35 Aimal? Emil?

Speaker 2 I like the other one.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So this guy, they make a big fuss.
First, they give his credentials. He's fine.
But no, no, no. Because he defended Trump.

Speaker 148 Ah, that's the problem.

Speaker 149 That's the problem.

Speaker 134 Yeah, here we go. But Bovie also ran into some complaints from colleagues and defense lawyers.

Speaker 122 Right. And if I understand, Kerry, he's also had an outsized role in his brief time at the Department of Justice.
Is that right?

Speaker 134 He's the right-hand man to the Deputy Attorney General, which basically means all the day-to-day management of the Justice Department, both the big cases and policies. All of that ends up on his desk.

Speaker 134 And there's been a lot going on this year, from firing prosecutors who worked on those January 6th cases to walking away from the corruption case against New York. City's Mayor Eric Adams.

Speaker 134 A federal judge said the decision to drop that case smacked of a bargain bargain where DOJ would move to dismiss the case and Mayor Adams would help advance Trump's aggressive deportation agenda.

Speaker 134 900 former Justice Department lawyers have urged the Senate to vote no on Amil Bovey. I spoke with Stacey Young, who spent 18 years inside the DOJ.

Speaker 134 She now runs a group that connects people there with legal and ethics advice.

Speaker 204 By voting to confirm Amil Bovey to a lifetime appointment, they would be doing more than just placing someone problematic on the bench.

Speaker 204 They would be giving their stamp of approval on everything that's happened at DOJ in the last six months. And that is simply unacceptable.

Speaker 93 You know,

Speaker 2 what is wrong with these people?

Speaker 19 Well, my question is:

Speaker 19 we've had a lot of famous Emils,

Speaker 19 right?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 85 Like, wasn't there a chef, a chef named Emile?

Speaker 2 Lagasse.

Speaker 14 Emil Lagasi.

Speaker 27 What other famous

Speaker 111 Emile Berliner?

Speaker 108 I'm trying to think of other.

Speaker 24 But they've always pronounced Emil.

Speaker 73 Why is he now Emil?

Speaker 109 Which, of course, we all know sounds like Enil.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 You just answered your own question.

Speaker 206 They're really doing this on purpose?

Speaker 76 This is horrible.

Speaker 2 This whole report is horrible.

Speaker 9 Defund them.

Speaker 168 What? What?

Speaker 12 Oh, it's too late.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 47 Oh, that was Emerald. I'm sorry.

Speaker 16 It wasn't Emil.

Speaker 47 It was Emerald.

Speaker 13 Emerald Agassi.

Speaker 2 Emerald, Emerald, Agassi.

Speaker 183 Yeah, when they said Emerald.

Speaker 9 Emu.

Speaker 2 It's Amal. I think your point is well taken.
They're saying anal.

Speaker 9 They are.

Speaker 41 It's an outrage. I'm outraged by our national public radio.

Speaker 126 Three.

Speaker 122 Carrie, we know that President Trump appointed a whole lot of judges during his first term. So how does Bovey compare?

Speaker 134 During Trump's first term, Trump confirmed more than 200 judges with help from Senator Mitch McConnell, largely relying on a list the Federalist Society helped create.

Speaker 134 But Bovey's not a member of the Federalist Society. He's loyal to Trump and close to people in the White House, though.

Speaker 134 That's what worries Greg Nunziata, who helped advance judicial nominees as a Republican Senate aide. He now works as executive director at Society for the Rule of Law.

Speaker 185 I think there are reasons all Americans should be concerned about

Speaker 185 judges coming to the bench with political agendas and outcome-motivated orientation to judging. That should concern everybody.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you know, go on X, dude.

Speaker 78 No one cares about anything anymore.

Speaker 9 It's all slop.

Speaker 2 And by the way, Trump did 200 judges. Biden did 235 in his term.
Yeah. Well,

Speaker 2 of course, they will not mention that. And all of them were appointed.
They were all liberals.

Speaker 9 There's the autopen.

Speaker 14 So it wasn't actually Biden.

Speaker 2 Well, somebody did.

Speaker 27 Somebody gave instructions.

Speaker 167 But yes.

Speaker 9 Well, of course.

Speaker 2 So this is bogus, but let's go and

Speaker 2 wrap it up here with a couple more.

Speaker 122 It's especially notable that President Trump is breaking with the Federalist Society because that group has been just extremely successful at stacking the federal bench with very conservative judges, right?

Speaker 134 That success helped culminate in a six to three conservative super majority on today's Supreme Court.

Speaker 134 That effort began over a generation ago in law schools, and it continued all the way through Donald Trump's first term in office, where nominees with conservative track records were closely vetted, their writings were tracked.

Speaker 134 The idea was to ensure these very conservative lawyers would stay conservative and avoid the kind of drift that, say, former Justice David Souter and former Justice Sandra Day O'Connor may have represented.

Speaker 93 Right. Okay.

Speaker 122 Well, I mean, given the fact that the Federalist Society has been so successful, tell us why Trump soured on it.

Speaker 134 I think there's a simple reason.

Speaker 134 There are hundreds of cases that have been filed against the Trump administration this year, challenging his policies, his immigration agenda, the efforts to remake the federal government.

Speaker 134 And the president has really been frustrated with lower court judges who ruled against him, judges that were appointed by both Democratic and Republican presidents.

Speaker 134 Trump went so far as to attack Leonard Leo, the longtime Federalist Society official, in a social media media post this year as he was losing in the lower courts, Trump called him a sleaze bag.

Speaker 192 You know,

Speaker 54 the mistake these guys make is they're not

Speaker 74 really explaining what's going on.

Speaker 81 No, dumb hicks in Texas like me, I don't understand any of this, and I don't care.

Speaker 174 Like, Judge Schmudge,

Speaker 11 Amo Nitrate, whatever.

Speaker 2 So they get the Federalist Society.

Speaker 2 Now, what gets me here, and you do know what's going on, what gets me here is that they're bitching and moaning about the Federalist Society the first go-round, and now they're bitching and moaning that he's cut them loose.

Speaker 131 Why is he doing that?

Speaker 11 That's no good.

Speaker 125 You can't do that.

Speaker 2 Whatever he does is bad. So this is the last clip.

Speaker 122 We'll just point out here that judges are supposed to be independent of the president who appointed them. They're not political actors.

Speaker 122 Kerry Johnson, how do you expect this to shape the judiciary, given the fact that these are lifetime appointments?

Speaker 134 The Senate has already confirmed Trump's first federal judge. Several more are in the pipeline.
There are fewer judicial vacancies now than in Trump's first go-round in the White House.

Speaker 134 And there's also some evidence judges may be delaying their retirement so their replacements are not picked by Trump.

Speaker 122 I mean, there are hundreds of federal judges. Bovey is just one person.
So is his confirmation really likely to make a difference? difference in how Trump's policies fare in court, friends?

Speaker 134 You know, this is a fair point. I've been talking with experts.
They tell me appeals court judges sit on panels of three, so any one judge is not going to tip the balance of power.

Speaker 134 But if and when the president gets a vacancy on the Supreme Court, that nominee could have a lot more influence.

Speaker 134 It's not clear Amel Bovey would be at the top of Trump's list, but people in the legal community tell me they think it's a possibility.

Speaker 134 Trump has been winning a lot this year in the Supreme Court, and that's ultimately where this matters.

Speaker 207 What do you mean?

Speaker 53 What about Ted Cruz?

Speaker 81 I thought he was next in line.

Speaker 2 That'd be a good idea.

Speaker 23 Please get him out of the camera.

Speaker 9 I'm not going to be a Senate at this point.

Speaker 81 The great thing about Ted Cruz is he wouldn't be talking on television anymore.

Speaker 48 Because Supreme Court justices don't typically do that.

Speaker 27 They write their opinion or their decision.

Speaker 2 Well, what's her name? Jackson does.

Speaker 208 No, that's true.

Speaker 94 I had an experience with our justice system this past weekend.

Speaker 2 Oh, you got pulled over for what?

Speaker 145 No, I took my first trip to a federal correction facility in Texas.

Speaker 22 Well,

Speaker 12 how long did they lock you up?

Speaker 10 No, to visit a friend of mine who's in for 10.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is the doctor.

Speaker 9 Yeah, who we're hoping, you know, there's appeal and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 173 It's he definitely got railroaded.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a doctor who got railroaded.

Speaker 58 And now, you know, yeah, it happens.

Speaker 65 So, but he's in the camp.

Speaker 73 The camp. The camp? Yeah.
You know, it's like they say, oh, it's

Speaker 41 the minimal minimal lockup.

Speaker 10 And, you know, so, and I've never been out there.

Speaker 74 It's like two and a half hour drive.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 145 and then I've been told, okay, you know, you got to arrive by this time.

Speaker 74 Otherwise, I won't let you in.

Speaker 65 You can't go in with anything.

Speaker 113 You can't have your phone on you.

Speaker 73 It was like, okay, fine.

Speaker 27 So I guess my gun is out. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 37 So can't have any of that.

Speaker 9 You have to have a clear bag.

Speaker 48 A clear bag with your driver's license in it so they can see it and dollar bills, only dollar bills for the vending machine.

Speaker 73 You know, because I guess that's the only thing you can eat there is from the vending machine in the visitor's office.

Speaker 37 And they have me all, I took my belt off, you know, I'm all jacked up.

Speaker 172 It's like, oh, what's this?

Speaker 87 This, I, you know, because I just did an x-ray, yeah.

Speaker 30 Well, this is, I didn't know what to expect, but the way it was presented to me, I was, I was, you know, cautious.

Speaker 86 So I walk up, you open the doors,

Speaker 11 double opening doors, and right there, boom, you're, in the room with all the inmates and their visitors.

Speaker 144 It's like a DMV waiting room.

Speaker 179 And the welcome desk is at the far side of the room.

Speaker 100 There's no scanner.

Speaker 54 I mean, I could have walked in with anything.

Speaker 73 And, you know, I asked for my inmates.

Speaker 30 And then, what do you think the guy says to me?

Speaker 2 I don't know. What would he say?

Speaker 37 You got any cool stories on Ozzy?

Speaker 9 On what? Ozzy. Ozzy Osborne.

Speaker 2 Oh, they knew who you were.

Speaker 207 These guys are like, oh, hey, tell me about the story.

Speaker 54 Tell me where you met Ozzy.

Speaker 34 And it was the most laid-back thing I've ever witnessed.

Speaker 46 That was surprising.

Speaker 65 There's people in there bringing in Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Speaker 66 And just everyone's having parties.

Speaker 95 It was nothing that I could suspect.

Speaker 2 It didn't sound like anything. Why did they give you the prepping that was inaccurate?

Speaker 65 Well, I guess there's difference in guards.

Speaker 16 You can have some of the psychos, and I guess it was not psycho day.

Speaker 39 But even so, I mean, there's no security pretty much.

Speaker 27 I mean, obviously, the whole thing sucks.

Speaker 112 But

Speaker 112 it was quite interesting to

Speaker 143 witness.

Speaker 12 Well, that

Speaker 2 was going to say that transitions nicely to the Alligator Alley stories.

Speaker 132 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Did I say Alligator Alley? You did.

Speaker 73 And Alligator Alley is something completely different.

Speaker 59 To me, Alligator Alley means, I'm going back to 1997, 1996, Think New Ideas in New York.

Speaker 154 We didn't know each other then,

Speaker 119 where we were growing out of our...

Speaker 2 Oh, we actually did, if it was 97. We met in 93.

Speaker 112 Right, but that was just a meeting on the.

Speaker 2 No, no, yeah.

Speaker 58 No, yeah. That was a tip.

Speaker 87 That was like a show business meeting.

Speaker 2 We bumped into

Speaker 2 it.

Speaker 71 Big fan of your work, man. Big fan of your work.

Speaker 17 Big fan of your work.

Speaker 2 You're the best.

Speaker 202 Yeah, you're, oh, man, you're so awesome.

Speaker 46 No, this is Think New Ideas.

Speaker 119 We had 100 people in the New York office, and we were building out a second floor.

Speaker 14 We were growing so fast.

Speaker 35 And so we had all of these

Speaker 38 coders

Speaker 26 who were basically building websites for Reebok and, you know, Johnson and Johnson, Tampax.com,

Speaker 54 and just doing HTML.

Speaker 26 This was when you could still charge a company like that $150,000 a month for maintenance.

Speaker 10 We're going to

Speaker 71 maintain your website.

Speaker 101 The good old days.

Speaker 135 Good old days.

Speaker 74 And so you had all of these chair backs on either side of this aisle.

Speaker 175 But if you walked in between them and someone happened to slide their chair back, boom, you get caught.

Speaker 173 That was Alligator Alley.

Speaker 167 Oh, yeah. Wow.
It was a long walk.

Speaker 115 Okay.

Speaker 2 I have a couple of clips,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 including the bonus clips, the two of them.

Speaker 2 But let's play these first, these other ones. Because the bonus clips are quite funny.
But this is the first, this, again, the NPR. This is again Scott and his buddy.

Speaker 2 This is the first NPR Alligator 1.

Speaker 129 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis says the first deportation flights have begun from the new migrant detention center, referred to by President Trump and others as Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 130 The remote facility in the Everglades has come under intense scrutiny and generated controversy.

Speaker 129 Some people now detained there allege harsh treatment by guards. Tim Padgett with our member station WLRN in Miami has been following the story.
Tim, thanks for being with us.

Speaker 19 Thank you, Scott.

Speaker 129 First, please remind us how this detention center came about and immediately became a source of controversy.

Speaker 105 Well, it was a very sudden action taken by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis late last month out on an idle airstrip in the remote Everglades where the concept was that detainees would, of course, be met by alligators and other wildlife if they try to escape.

Speaker 105 President Trump and DeSantis hope it will serve as a sort of punitive showcase to deter illegal immigration. Critics say it's just one more piece of performative demonization of immigrants.

Speaker 105 And although Alligator Alcatraz is for immigrant detention, which is supposedly a federal function, it's run by Florida's Division of Emergency Management.

Speaker 105 but apparently DeSantis is going to tap into federal FEMA money to reimburse Florida for the $450 million cost of its first year of operation.

Speaker 15 I'm just, it's abhorrent that they say immigrants.

Speaker 23 It's not. These illegal,

Speaker 9 deep legal,

Speaker 117 deportees, whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 37 It's not

Speaker 2 to trivialize the idea of it being an airstrip,

Speaker 85 which is critically important because you take them right out, you fly them away.

Speaker 2 Well, I know, but it's not, but this air, this so-called airstrip is actually a 10,000-foot runway that was designed for the Concorde. Did you know that?

Speaker 45 I didn't know it was designed for the Concorde, but it's a proper runway, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a big old, it's not an air, you know, to me, an airstrip is a

Speaker 168 grass strip, grass strip.

Speaker 31 Yeah, you got like, yeah, all right, we're flying the drugs into the airstrip.

Speaker 16 Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 Yes, it's a huge runway that's sitting there, idle, so they figured they'd use it for some.

Speaker 65 Why don't they just say newcomers again?

Speaker 10 We should go back to newcomers.

Speaker 9 That would be even better. That would be better.

Speaker 119 Newcomers.

Speaker 105 Either way, a big reality is that it's a hastily constructed tent structure with caged cells for up to 5,000 detainees.

Speaker 105 So detainees have complained of substandard food, large mosquitoes, overflowing toilets.

Speaker 9 Stop.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 96 I witnessed what our non-newcomers go through.

Speaker 9 It's all it's junk.

Speaker 172 It's crap.

Speaker 66 By the way, do you know what the currency is in

Speaker 119 the pen?

Speaker 9 Do you know what they used to be?

Speaker 2 Well, it used to be cigarettes.

Speaker 66 Yeah, it's now max.

Speaker 47 Max.

Speaker 2 I don't know what a max is.

Speaker 46 Mackerels.

Speaker 2 Mackerels?

Speaker 101 Yes.

Speaker 41 So they buy mackerels.

Speaker 48 You can buy them an individually wrapped mackerel.

Speaker 2 You're talking about a fish. Fish, yes.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 59 And so, hey, how how much if I could make that not the not the okay, I don't want to use that example.

Speaker 112 But, you know, there's stuff.

Speaker 74 If you want stuff inside, if you want someone to do something, you know, they have to have a currency.

Speaker 140 All societies, even incarcerated, have a currency.

Speaker 66 And in this particular facility, it's mackerel.

Speaker 2 That's got to stink to high heaven.

Speaker 11 Well, they're packaged.

Speaker 162 They're packaged.

Speaker 66 And so that'll cost you.

Speaker 9 Package, man.

Speaker 2 That's the funniest thing that you've said for a while.

Speaker 190 What, that it's packaged?

Speaker 62 No, that there's mackerels being passed around as sushi.

Speaker 17 It's currency.

Speaker 144 Yes, it'll cost you three max.

Speaker 21 Okay, three max.

Speaker 65 And then at the end, some of these guys, they make sushi out of the mackerels.

Speaker 27 And they make it with

Speaker 65 that. What's that orange rice?

Speaker 14 Like chemical rice, basically.

Speaker 2 So it'll take some of that. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 61 Yeah, but basically they take Cheetos and they wrap it all up.

Speaker 108 My buddy was telling me the whole thing and they

Speaker 149 make sushi out of it.

Speaker 57 There's all kinds of shenanigans going on.

Speaker 18 But I love that the mackerels is the currency.

Speaker 21 It just proves that anything can be a currency.

Speaker 70 And they use mackerels.

Speaker 9 I thought you'd like that. All right.

Speaker 12 I did.

Speaker 173 I liked it a lot. Back to your clip.

Speaker 105 Scant air conditioning, lights on continuously, a lack of access to showers, and especially access to lawyers who say they're not allowed in the facility and can only engage their detainee clients by phone or Zoom.

Speaker 129 And I gather this week you spoke with a Nicaraguan migrant inside the detention center. What did he say?

Speaker 105 Well, he's a 21-year-old asylum seeker who says he came to the U.S. border in 2023 as a student protester fleeing Nicaragua's brutal Ortega dictatorship.

Speaker 41 As an asylum seeker, who did not go through the asylum seeking process.

Speaker 160 I'm so sick of these people.

Speaker 105 He asked that his name not be used for fear of government retaliation here. He'd been arrested in Fort Lauderdale before this for improper exhibition of a firearm, but he was not convicted.

Speaker 105 So he's one of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz, which is a facility that was supposedly for criminal. Hold on.

Speaker 41 Let me listen again.

Speaker 109 These words are...

Speaker 67 No wonder the people in Austin are insane.

Speaker 30 They're being propagandized with lies and fake language.

Speaker 11 Let's listen again.

Speaker 105 One of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in non-criminal migrants.

Speaker 188 You may be a non-criminal illegal alien, but you're not a non-criminal migrant.

Speaker 20 This is, this is, I'm sick of these people.

Speaker 105 One of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz, which is a facility that was supposedly for criminal migrants only.

Speaker 105 And he claims that after a shouting match with guards last Saturday over detainee clothing regulations, one of them called the man who who is black the n-word, and they shackled his hands and feet.

Speaker 46 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 75 Well, they do a lot worse to our American citizens in the Penn.

Speaker 18 I can testify to that.

Speaker 2 It's unbelievable, these reports. Wait, wait till you hear the nonsense from CNN, which is coming up.
This is the third clip from NPR.

Speaker 105 He says they then put him outside in what they call the box, a four by four foot square, he said, directly in the hot Florida sun, known as the shoe.

Speaker 160 The shoe, man, the special housing unit.

Speaker 105 Here's what he told me. They chained me to the ground.

Speaker 141 I was in the sunlight from 1 o'clock to like 7 o'clock in the evening. This is a human.
They treat us like real criminals by murders.

Speaker 105 We just emigrants. Now, he claims that when a fellow detainee from Honduras complained to the guards about this punishment, they did it to him, too.

Speaker 129 Of course, Jim, it's hard to verify what the detainees say when there's little access for

Speaker 9 in lawyers.

Speaker 9 What?

Speaker 2 I said it was hard to verify, but we'll report it as facts.

Speaker 46 Of course.

Speaker 8 To him, too.

Speaker 129 Of course, Tim, it's hard to verify what the detainees say when there's little access for journalists or lawyers in that place.

Speaker 129 How do officials respond to these allegations?

Speaker 64 That's right.

Speaker 105 But the Florida Division of Emergency Management categorically denies the claims of punishment as, quote, false.

Speaker 105 It insists that Alligator Alcatraz guards do not punish detainees and that they follow all proper prison state and federal protocols.

Speaker 105 But the other significant response has been from Florida Republicans who insist the public needs to remember that this is essentially a prison where many, if not most of the detainees do, in fact, have criminal histories and that it's not supposed to be, as the Florida House Speaker said recently, a, quote, five-star resort.

Speaker 99 No.

Speaker 62 My goodness. Okay, so we're getting to these reports.

Speaker 2 At CNN, I have these two bonus clips. I want to play the first one

Speaker 2 because it's the first one is actually a Woody Allen joke.

Speaker 132 Okay.

Speaker 150 Yesterday, the air conditioning went out.

Speaker 150 We had the whole morning without air conditioning.

Speaker 150 Lots of mosquitoes came in because they get in from all sides.

Speaker 209 Multiple detainees say they don't get enough food, though they're served three meals a day, and that water is limited.

Speaker 141 Scan our braces, we go into the food hall. The food food is very terrible here.
Very, very, very small portions.

Speaker 2 I don't know. The food is bad, and the portions are so small.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's an old Jewish joke.

Speaker 25 Yeah, well, that is way over everybody's head.

Speaker 70 Even mine. Well,

Speaker 24 that's why I explained it.

Speaker 119 I'm not a Woody Allen guy.

Speaker 2 So let's go to...

Speaker 2 It's a Jewish joke by Woody Allen, but he used the joke in his nanny hall, actually.

Speaker 2 And here we go to

Speaker 2 the second part of this, which is more complaining, this time about the water pressure.

Speaker 122 We've eaten as late as 10 at night.

Speaker 209 The food at night is cold, too. There's never a hot meal.
Showers are located in a separate tent, and opportunities to shower there are scarce, according to the detainees we spoke with.

Speaker 141 All the showers are connected to the same water source. There's barely any water pressure.

Speaker 141 So we have to like literally put ourselves on the wall right next to the water drainage so we can at least get hit with water. Oh, man.

Speaker 78 they have no idea you're you're lucky you're in federal lockup and and or in lockup that is maintained by the government my buddy's in a commercial prison

Speaker 10 where everything is scammed everything is is the cheapest the most rotten the out of order not working

Speaker 2 uh yeah yeah yeah yeah this is it this i and and the the media especially cnn and npr they're all they're on the side of the immigrants you know we're sick of the immigrants.

Speaker 2 Immigrants, the immigrants, immigrants, the asylum seekers.

Speaker 2 The asylum seekers, newcomers.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 126 I mean,

Speaker 126 okay.

Speaker 66 It sucks.

Speaker 68 I know that nobody likes seeing any, and we're nice Americans.

Speaker 108 Nobody, no, no one likes to see anyone being rousted or arrested for, you know,

Speaker 154 trying to find a better life.

Speaker 30 But I'm sorry, if you don't do it, you get Europe.

Speaker 160 And President Trump is right.

Speaker 38 They are collapsing.

Speaker 187 They're collapsing.

Speaker 174 And we still have a shot, still have a shot.

Speaker 21 And because of these reports, the NPR, this is why you have women screaming at ICE agents, you're kidnapping him.

Speaker 76 You're kidnapping him.

Speaker 47 It's like, oh, man.

Speaker 207 Who's going to do my dishes?

Speaker 9 Hunter.

Speaker 11 Who's going to mow my lawn?

Speaker 192 You know what?

Speaker 78 I got a kid who mows my lawn.

Speaker 191 He's an American.

Speaker 17 You have a lawn?

Speaker 9 Yeah, we got three acres.

Speaker 2 That doesn't mean you have a lawn. It's all grass.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 If I had three acres,

Speaker 2 it'd be three acres of vines.

Speaker 165 Yeah, no, the whole wine thing here is a joke.

Speaker 81 Vines.

Speaker 112 What Texas wine did you have recently?

Speaker 2 Well, there used to be one good winery. Actually, there's the Preston up in the Panhandle.

Speaker 9 Well, yes.

Speaker 73 The High Plains, yeah, that's where they, because it's cooler at night.

Speaker 81 It's too warm down here.

Speaker 65 Although that is changing, climate change is helping us in that regard.

Speaker 140 So while we're kind of on this topic, President Trump just signed an executive order, which I think is a really good one.

Speaker 83 Let's see, where's this report from?

Speaker 104 I'm sure, no doubt, oh, it's KTLA. So no doubt it's skewed.

Speaker 78 But it's funny how.

Speaker 2 KTLA's got the funniest stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And then they also have Gavin Newson in here going like, oh, I've been saying this for years.

Speaker 145 So the executive order is not just get all the homeless off the streets and throw them in the river.

Speaker 21 No, he's bringing back medical institutions for those who are addicted, for those who

Speaker 162 have

Speaker 19 mental issues, which is probably a lot of them.

Speaker 49 And I think the addiction issue is the best because the only solution we've seen from cities like Los Angeles or counties like Los Angeles, Same goes for Austin, Dallas, Houston, all Democrat cities, Democrat-run cities, I think, all of them, I think so.

Speaker 109 Has always been, we'll give them a safe place to shoot up.

Speaker 149 Let's make sure they have safe drugs, which we saw.

Speaker 35 Safe needles, which we saw fail in Europe in the 70s.

Speaker 160 Oh, the methadone bus.

Speaker 70 We'll just have the methadone bus come by.

Speaker 46 That didn't work.

Speaker 2 No, it doesn't work. It doesn't.

Speaker 112 It really doesn't.

Speaker 19 But it's the humane thing to do.

Speaker 190 No, the humane thing is to bring back,

Speaker 35 I guess, in essence,

Speaker 11 one flew over the cuckoo's nest, only make it better.

Speaker 48 I mean, that went away with what, Reagan?

Speaker 78 Reagan was the one who just got sick and tired of people complaining about it, and he closed all of the mental institutions.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Reagan got sick and tired of people complaining about it, especially out here in California.

Speaker 12 Oh, no, everybody's good.

Speaker 2 They're just grabbing people off the street and locking them up because they're nuts.

Speaker 2 And Reagan got sick of it, it, and he's basically turned it around. Okay, if you don't want people being in the mental institution, we'll just

Speaker 2 leave them out in the public.

Speaker 2 It was a bad decision, but that's what, yeah, I blame Reagan.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 86 So President Trump has demanded money be redirected.

Speaker 157 So the executive order is a lot more extensive than what you're hearing in these reports.

Speaker 210 Yeah, that new executive order from the president aimed at making it easier for cities and states across the country to remove homeless people from the streets.

Speaker 210 We want to get straight to that language of the order from the White House so you can see a little bit of it for yourself.

Speaker 210 It says it is targeted at removing, quote, vagrant individuals from our streets and redirects federal funds towards programs that tackle substance abuse.

Speaker 205 This order seeking to shift federal grant funding to states and cities that enforce prohibitions on urban camping, enforce prohibitions on drug use, and adopt policies allowing people with serious mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.

Speaker 212 The governor responding to Trump's executive order.

Speaker 53 Oh, no, they're forcing them into treatment. This is inhumane.

Speaker 205 Disorders to be forced into treatment.

Speaker 212 The governor responding to Trump's new executive order, saying it is.

Speaker 144 Remember, were they giving them free tents?

Speaker 213 That was the big idea in Austin.

Speaker 159 Oh, we should give them tents so they're nice and warm.

Speaker 128 Free tents is what we do.

Speaker 83 No, these people need serious help.

Speaker 205 Substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.

Speaker 212 The governor responding to Trump's new executive.

Speaker 9 What?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's funny to say forced into

Speaker 2 treatment.

Speaker 144 These are American citizens.

Speaker 79 They, and that, well, yes, we need to.

Speaker 66 Sometimes you need to pick somebody up and say, all right, buddy, we're going to help you.

Speaker 116 And we're going to do it in a different way.

Speaker 53 Oh, you don't, don't, you're, you're unhousing them.

Speaker 95 You're moving their house.

Speaker 168 No, it's ruining it for the rest of the time.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Well, I mean, that, that's, this is, this executive order overrides all of that nonsense.

Speaker 109 And money, and he's putting money to it.

Speaker 11 I like that.

Speaker 88 Now,

Speaker 21 will it be more lame nonprofits that never want to get rid of their clients?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what's going to end up.

Speaker 190 Unfortunately, because there's a lot of programs that work, see Community First Village

Speaker 170 right outside of Austin.

Speaker 2 Which brings us to a story that we don't have any clips for. And I should have gotten Eclipse.
You don't have any Eclipse.

Speaker 2 I have any clips about the $100 million of fire aid in Los Angeles that went to nonprofits and NGOs and disappeared.

Speaker 31 We'll continue with

Speaker 9 this outrage.

Speaker 205 Mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.

Speaker 210 The governor, responding to Trump's new executive order, saying it is more focused on creating distracting headlines than producing a positive impact.

Speaker 210 About a year ago, Newsom issued an order encouraging cities in the state to dismantle homeless encampments, recently criticizing California cities and counties for not doing enough on this issue.

Speaker 206 I'm not interested in funding failure anymore.

Speaker 9 I'm not.

Speaker 99 I won't.

Speaker 23 Time to do your job.

Speaker 134 People are dying on their watch, dying on their watch.

Speaker 135 Look at these encampments.

Speaker 206 They're a disgrace. They've been there years and years and years and years.
I've heard that same rhetoric for years.

Speaker 2 People are dying.

Speaker 76 How long has Gavin Newsom been governor?

Speaker 2 Years and years and years and years.

Speaker 2 What a douchebag.

Speaker 2 In fact, he was the mayor of San Francisco when it all really began.

Speaker 119 Unbelievable.

Speaker 86 One more topic before we take a break.

Speaker 36 I had a visit from Texas Slim Friday.

Speaker 2 Did he bring by some meat?

Speaker 9 He sure did. He sure did.

Speaker 2 Texas Slim, I've seen on the videos. He is slim.

Speaker 10 He is very slim, and he's very recognizable.

Speaker 127 And

Speaker 71 he runs the Beef Initiative, beefinitiative.com.

Speaker 83 And what he's been saying for years, he's been saying, we're going towards a collapse.

Speaker 18 We're not going to have any more beef.

Speaker 21 He says, and he's been saying, and it's finally here.

Speaker 54 Do we have the collapse today? Finally?

Speaker 61 The collapse is just about to happen.

Speaker 10 He's down in Kerrville.

Speaker 103 He brought $10,000 worth of ground beef to the Mercy chefs, who, by the way, expect to be in the flood area, the flooded area, for another 12 months.

Speaker 11 It's a little, you know, it's not like over.

Speaker 14 It's not like it went away.

Speaker 15 I hear you, Western North Carolina.

Speaker 68 And he said, he said, look at the futures.

Speaker 66 Look at what's going on.

Speaker 74 There is no more beef, except except with the beef initiative ranchers.

Speaker 165 And if you want to, if you want to get beef and you want to get it at a good price, you can get it directly from your rancher.

Speaker 45 There's a lot of them around the country, beefinitiative.com, but this is where it's going for the rest of the country.

Speaker 214 It's peak grilling season, but this morning, the growing cost of rising beef prices. Ground beef up 10% compared to the same time last year.
Steak up 12%.

Speaker 214 Some stores and restaurants are trying to hold firm on prices for now.

Speaker 215 Our strategy is right now just absorbing the price and hoping that we see a reduction after the summer months are over.

Speaker 214 Ken Silver runs a famous cheesesteak shop in Philadelphia.

Speaker 215 We were closed for 21 months. We had sticker shock when we came back.
The price of beef when we left was $4.68 for our choice top-round beef. And when we came back, it was over $7 a pound.

Speaker 214 What's to blame for the price hikes? Extreme weather is a major factor.

Speaker 15 We had droughts in the Midwest that spilled over into 2023.

Speaker 58 We're basically from New Mexico all the way across to the East Coast where you saw historic droughts.

Speaker 214 Cattle herd sizes now shrinking to a record low as more farmers choose to sell their cattle for meat instead of breeding due in part to high feed costs right now this this is the highest prices it's been in history

Speaker 9 uh

Speaker 27 so when they say high feed price that's all the gmo crap that these commodity ranchers feed their cows yeah that stuff just keeps going up in price gmo corn gmo nonsense You know, if you leave a cow out in the field, it would just eat the grass that's there.

Speaker 9 And if you go look at the panhandle up in you know west texas and above they've got 1.3 million cattle eating grass just eating grass and it's amazing when you just let them eat grass they grow they uh you know you throw a couple stickers in there

Speaker 9 it's called a ruminant yeah it's it's well yeah it's a type of animal that's got that can eat grass grass i know they just give them grass and what what do you know all of a sudden so um the uh the beef initiative ranchers they got beef stopped going to the supermarket

Speaker 57 anyway texas slim prognostication coming true so what did he come to your place for

Speaker 66 he comes well first of all he's been in kerville drop off some meat he dropped off a a nice uh chuck roast for me yes which he got from one of the boys in montana um well he's in kerville he's been there for weeks And so it's nice that he's come up and, you know, I threw some ribeyes on the grill.

Speaker 9 You know, we ate some ribeyes, talked some smack about the government.

Speaker 30 You know, it's what you do. It's what you do with your, with your rancher.

Speaker 9 You shake your rancher's hand, he bring you some beef.

Speaker 11 The way it used to be. When we were feeding the nation, I'm talking like Slim now.

Speaker 117 That's how Chicago became

Speaker 26 so well known for its steakhouses.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it used to be the center of the beef. business.

Speaker 45 Well, but where did it come from?

Speaker 2 There used to be stockyards in Chicago that were, that, that covered much of Chicago.

Speaker 2 There were a lot of stockyards. They're all gone.

Speaker 73 And where did they come from?

Speaker 49 They came from the panhandle because they had all the railroads.

Speaker 9 They were everywhere.

Speaker 119 It was mainly the panhandle. They had all the railroads.

Speaker 179 And the railroads took them straight into Chicago.

Speaker 73 And that's why you got

Speaker 86 the commodity exchange there.

Speaker 173 That is all forgotten history.

Speaker 74 Nobody knows anything.

Speaker 99 Boomer.

Speaker 168 Breaking the edge.

Speaker 65 In this case, I'll be your boomer.

Speaker 117 I'll be your boomer. Go get some good bait, boomer.

Speaker 169 And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in his catchphrase still to come.

Speaker 37 Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr.

Speaker 92 John C.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
In the morning, I was ship of sea bosom, graph, feet in the air, subs in the water. And

Speaker 135 the name's nice out there.

Speaker 1 In the morning to the trolls in the troll room.

Speaker 216 Hello, trolls.

Speaker 174 Oh, man, I still got this COVID cough.

Speaker 26 It's annoying.

Speaker 127 I've been muting myself throughout the whole show.

Speaker 189 It's nasty. 1984.

Speaker 13 Low.

Speaker 106 That's very low.

Speaker 9 It was low Thursday.

Speaker 37 I think a bit of it's the summer doldrums.

Speaker 2 It could be the doldrums. It could be a lot of things.
Well, what else could you do? But I think there's a general slowdown.

Speaker 2 I'm seeing a slowdown.

Speaker 27 A slowdown in what?

Speaker 2 Just in everything, just an attitude.

Speaker 55 A slowdown in

Speaker 112 people are sick and tired.

Speaker 179 They're sick and tired of podcasts.

Speaker 2 That's why the meetups are got less meetups. We got less money.
We got less people listening. We're going to slow down.

Speaker 179 Now I think it's.

Speaker 2 It's some sort of a depression. It's a mental thing that

Speaker 2 has something to do with Trump.

Speaker 9 Yes,

Speaker 64 I think you're right.

Speaker 87 I think people are so sick of everything.

Speaker 30 They're sick of everything.

Speaker 65 But what are they doing? Is the question.

Speaker 175 They're sitting around asking their AI.

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 2 that's a clip I didn't get, but there was a group. I'm going to try to go dig it up about the guy.
It's a local guy or something. It was that was

Speaker 2 falling in love with his AI, and the AI told him to go pick up a girl or something.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 2 he arrested the guy because he was a masher.

Speaker 2 But he said the AI told him to do it. And they interviewed the guy.
He's wearing the red or the orange jumpsuit. And he's saying, oh, it's not my fault.
The AI told me to do it.

Speaker 9 I'm something wrong with me.

Speaker 17 What?

Speaker 23 You told me this wasn't really happening.

Speaker 11 You said that's not what I'm saying. That's what I told you.

Speaker 2 I'm feeling bad about the fact that I have been so skeptical about this.

Speaker 26 Because it turns out it is happening.

Speaker 77 Exactly.

Speaker 15 And by the way, it's the thing that Sam Altman fears the most.

Speaker 2 He's counting the money.

Speaker 2 His banker's not fearing it.

Speaker 95 His car, he doesn't have like a $5 million car.

Speaker 12 He does. Oh,

Speaker 2 that kind of guy. He should be driving or have a driver

Speaker 2 or anything. He does.
Yes, he has one. He's got some exotic car that's ridiculous.

Speaker 177 Yeah. And he just bought a kid.

Speaker 64 He bought a kid? Yeah.

Speaker 127 He and his husband adopted a four-month-old baby.

Speaker 2 Oh, I didn't even know he was gay.

Speaker 9 Oh, hello.

Speaker 26 Doesn't that make it that much better now, John?

Speaker 66 Doesn't it make that much better for you?

Speaker 9 Oh, brother. Yeah.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So he and his husband adopted a kid. Yes.
And he drives around a $5 million car, which is dumb.

Speaker 61 Yeah, it is kind of dumb.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 94 I mean, if I had $5 million, I wouldn't be putting it into a car.

Speaker 2 Well, he's got more than $5 million, but even if you have a billion dollars, you're not going to

Speaker 2 unless you're a car nut. And now, there are car nuts out there, Larry Ellison being an example, who owns all these cars.

Speaker 148 And what kind of cars does he have?

Speaker 2 He's got a Bugatti, I know for a fact.

Speaker 125 A Bugatti?

Speaker 2 And I caught him at the San Francisco airport once in a,

Speaker 2 in a toy, it was a Toyota, it was that sports car that they have. It's kind of, I can't remember the number on it.
And I said, and I stopped, I stopped. I was going around to pick somebody up.

Speaker 2 And I stopped and

Speaker 2 I said to him, I said, Larry, and he said, I said, what are you doing driving that?

Speaker 2 And, you know, just because it was a fancy. And did he say, get out of my way, boomer?

Speaker 2 He said, it's the best car he's ever owned. He says it's better than the Bugatti.

Speaker 47 Oh, wow.

Speaker 30 Does he have like a sports Bugatti or a classic Bugatti?

Speaker 2 No, he's got, no, he's got the new one, the

Speaker 12 million-dollar Bugatti.

Speaker 48 Yeah, Glenn Beck has a Bugatti, a classic Bugatti

Speaker 147 in the hall of his studio.

Speaker 80 Oh, that's worth probably a fortune.

Speaker 13 Probably.

Speaker 94 It's beautiful.

Speaker 81 And I think he drives some kind of Bentley Sport Continental R.

Speaker 2 He drives.

Speaker 2 Beck drives around in a a Bentley Continental.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 65 Yeah. With orange striping.

Speaker 22 It's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 A friend of mine has one of those things. I drove it once.
It's a hell of a nice car.

Speaker 174 It's got pickup.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, it's got, I think, 450 horsepower. But that's still different than a $5 million car.

Speaker 104 Yeah, with an electric one at that, which is so stupid.

Speaker 11 What? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 46 It's an electric car.

Speaker 47 Oh, brother. Yeah, hold on.
Let me see. Sam.

Speaker 2 Here we are. Now, two boomers talking about cars.
EV.

Speaker 46 Let's just see what it is.

Speaker 84 Well, that's our future.

Speaker 146 Is

Speaker 146 Car Talk.

Speaker 16 Yeah, probably. Let me see.

Speaker 172 The car he has isn't.

Speaker 146 Oh, this is his car collection.

Speaker 81 He has a McLaren F1, a Tesla Roadster.

Speaker 16 Well, everybody has one of those.

Speaker 20 It doesn't say.

Speaker 147 Forget what it was.

Speaker 15 It was some crazy thing.

Speaker 188 Anyway, it matters not.

Speaker 48 We thank the trolls for being here.

Speaker 108 All 1,984 of you listening live at trollroom.io, trolling away in the troll room.

Speaker 94 We appreciate you being here.

Speaker 10 Certainly on this summer day, in these summer days, I think it's just July, John.

Speaker 16 I don't think it's anything other than it's just July.

Speaker 59 People are tuning.

Speaker 96 They're tuning out, dropping out, man.

Speaker 78 They're tuning in and dropping out.

Speaker 37 They're just

Speaker 35 man.

Speaker 192 They're just like dropping out, going out into nature.

Speaker 23 I think we've told people, we have really taught people how to turn off.

Speaker 11 And they do that.

Speaker 18 It's like, okay, I just got to go and I got to go touch the grass. Adam and John told me to do it.

Speaker 84 And that's good.

Speaker 178 I'm happy you're doing that.

Speaker 38 And for those who are here,

Speaker 27 you may

Speaker 27 or may not know this, but they're a modern podcast.

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Speaker 19 It's one of those modern podcast apps, and it's a fan app.

Speaker 65 So it's a little different type of podcast app.

Speaker 57 You can, you know, you can become a fan. You can do all kinds of fan-like stuff.

Speaker 41 So be our fan on TrueFans.

Speaker 19 And of course, what?

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Speaker 145 You can, you can, we can even sell our merch.

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Speaker 73 It's brand new, so it has all the new fancy, funky features.

Speaker 175 As we run this program, value for value, which means we do not need to take a break for any advertisements.

Speaker 111 We do not need to chill for the farmer's dog.

Speaker 71 Although Phoebe does like it.

Speaker 2 Oh, you use farmer's dog for the dog?

Speaker 146 Yeah, we just started that.

Speaker 2 Do you keep it in the refrigerator?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 131 Well,

Speaker 16 it comes frozen so you keep it in the freezer and then you take it out um you know to feed her

Speaker 70 she does like it so we we got there was a tip from jill uh phoebe now stays at jill's house when we go out of town and she's like phoebe likes it okay good we'll buy that it's it's just it's just food

Speaker 164 it's just chicken and beef it's fine um

Speaker 48 No, instead, we ask people to support us with time, talent, or treasure.

Speaker 38 Any of those three will do.

Speaker 139 We talked earlier about our producers.

Speaker 48 We don't have to pay 15 predeep people to produce the show.

Speaker 160 Instead, people who enjoy the show produce it.

Speaker 21 We have thousands of producers who produce it with time, with talent, and with their treasure.

Speaker 117 We start with the talent portion, which also takes a little bit of time, and that is the art that we choose every single episode.

Speaker 86 The artwork for the last episode came from Digital 2112 Man, a nice orange piece, which was my only complaint about it, because it was no doubt the funniest piece.

Speaker 25 The Macron brothers, the superheroes of the episode,

Speaker 35 Emmanuel and Bob Macron, flying through the city, saving everybody and suing Candace Owens.

Speaker 2 So I got a little lecture from JC, our in-house AI guy.

Speaker 132 Oh, okay.

Speaker 13 All right.

Speaker 2 The yellow channel is being

Speaker 2 exaggerated because the yellow channel, it turns out,

Speaker 2 is being used

Speaker 2 as steganography. People don't know this, but they're going to know.

Speaker 18 They're hiding stuff in the images.

Speaker 2 In the yellow channel.

Speaker 2 Specifically the yellow channel. So there's a lot of yellow in these images.

Speaker 2 And the steganography contains everything and contains the prompt. It contains your name if you're logged in.
It contains everything. It's like, you know, it's beyond an exit file in a JPEG.
Really?

Speaker 2 It's got all this this data and information about you, when you made the image, what the prompts were, and what prompts you changed.

Speaker 148 Well, why does that have to turn orange then?

Speaker 2 Well, I guess it jacks up the yellow channel, is the only thing I can think of, but this it has something to do with that.

Speaker 2 The hackers have been trying to crack it

Speaker 2 to get the information out, but it's been

Speaker 2 concealed. And

Speaker 2 now I'm also told that the uh

Speaker 63 that

Speaker 2 the chat GPT

Speaker 180 writing,

Speaker 2 if you're depending on how you do the cut and paste, there's a bunch of

Speaker 2 I don't know how they do this either, but they're putting metadata inside the, within the file structure in such a way that it tells everyone that this is an AI-generated thing. And

Speaker 2 you can now, it's like it allows you to buy a product that can identify AI

Speaker 2 sold by the same company?

Speaker 25 It seems that this would be used for something else,

Speaker 30 which is to,

Speaker 112 I would say they're using it to prevent model collapse.

Speaker 25 Uh-oh, AI image, let's identify it, let's segregate it so we don't ingest it as real.

Speaker 41 That could be.

Speaker 15 That would be a logical explanation other than we're going to sell some other stupid product to you.

Speaker 2 Well, come on. Well, this.
We're going to sell some other stupid product to you is a great idea.

Speaker 131 We need more power, more power to sell stupid products.

Speaker 2 So, there's a lot of information in these images that we don't see or know about, and I guess in the stuff that Chat GPT cranks out in terms of text, and it's all metadata.

Speaker 9 I wonder how they do that.

Speaker 2 Although, I was watching, I wonder how they do it too. JC says somehow it's incorporated in the white space, and I don't know how that even works.

Speaker 69 I was, there was something I was watching where they trained

Speaker 47 one model on owls.

Speaker 186 And

Speaker 27 so they had the model just generate numbers.

Speaker 74 And so it was just generating what seemed to be all these random numbers.

Speaker 66 They then took those random numbers, trained a separate model on it.

Speaker 14 And that model then all of a sudden was giving owls as the answer for a lot of things.

Speaker 95 Model collapse is imminent.

Speaker 2 I can't wait for it.

Speaker 21 It can't happen soon enough.

Speaker 94 I'm excited.

Speaker 9 I'm excited when everyone, Here's what I'm waiting for for people to say, AI sucks, man.

Speaker 164 That's what I'm waiting for.

Speaker 79 And I'm already there with this all.

Speaker 2 So you've been there since day one.

Speaker 69 Pretty much.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're just a, you're like a Luddite.

Speaker 119 No, but I'm a realist.

Speaker 98 I'm a humanist.

Speaker 16 Yeah, that's what the Luddite says.

Speaker 158 I'm a humanist.

Speaker 2 That's what they said, too.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Well, they were French.

Speaker 148 Weren't they? Weren't they French? It was the French.

Speaker 2 Well, it was the, it had to do with the Jacquard loom is where it started. So maybe they probably were French.

Speaker 202 Yeah, French.

Speaker 48 Anyway, as we looked

Speaker 174 over the options, we had orange dead people.

Speaker 16 That would be Ozzy and Hulk.

Speaker 28 We had

Speaker 81 just orange, orange, orange.

Speaker 66 No, the only thing digital 2112 man tried to do some blue.

Speaker 33 There was nothing else.

Speaker 47 It's all dumb.

Speaker 81 The only thing I kind of liked, just because it was not usable because it meant nothing, it was you and I looking at a blue piece of art on the wall by Scaramanga.

Speaker 161 And the only thing I liked about it is it actually looked like us from behind.

Speaker 198 That was the only thing.

Speaker 85 Was there anything else we even discussed? I don't think so.

Speaker 88 Well, yeah, there was a lot discussed.

Speaker 73 Well, no, we did not discuss anything.

Speaker 27 We just went over it.

Speaker 108 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 74 What do you like?

Speaker 48 Oh, you liked Compute This by Nick the Rat.

Speaker 70 I did. I don't know why.

Speaker 12 I liked it.

Speaker 132 Orange.

Speaker 186 More orange.

Speaker 2 That means he's using too many prompts. That's what my new thesis is.

Speaker 54 Thank you very much, Digital 2112, man, for prompting your way into the Hall of Fame on the No Agenda Art General.

Speaker 48 Anybody, and again, we would love to see Sir Paul Couture.

Speaker 27 I think I sent him a note about it.

Speaker 74 to allow animated GIFs because that would be the next version of artwork.

Speaker 9 The animated GIFs will work as artwork for podcast apps.

Speaker 140 I think it will actually animate in your podcast app if you use it.

Speaker 70 I don't know about Apple, but I know the modern ones will.

Speaker 98 So that would be kind of cool to test out.

Speaker 34 And otherwise, just put a model in there.

Speaker 48 So people just go to the website and type something in.

Speaker 61 Make it easy, bypass it all.

Speaker 10 Let's get more slop in there as soon as possible so we can bring back real artists.

Speaker 149 It's just a thought.

Speaker 2 I think your thesis might be right again when you said that the metadata might be preventing that collapse from happening.

Speaker 37 Well, so far, it's not working.

Speaker 41 Hey, good news, there's no model collapse.

Speaker 84 Bad news, the world is orange.

Speaker 83 That's all we got for you.

Speaker 38 We also like to thank our producers who supply us with treasure of the three T's and the value-for-value model.

Speaker 15 The way it works is very simple.

Speaker 140 If you get value out of the show, send it back to us. Just put it into a number.

Speaker 68 We have no idea what's valuable to you.

Speaker 74 Only you know that.

Speaker 100 Only you know when something is valuable.

Speaker 186 We don't, we don't,

Speaker 54 we're not presumptuous that we know that something that we're not, we don't think we're always valuable to all people.

Speaker 33 But when it's valuable to you, it's time to support us.

Speaker 82 It's time to send something back.

Speaker 157 And we thank everybody $50 and above, never below $50 for reasons of anonymity.

Speaker 18 And we started off with an old favorite.

Speaker 66 He comes by about once a month, once every six weeks.

Speaker 39 Sironymous of Dog Patch and Lower Slobovia comes in with a cool 2777 and apparently plus 20 shekels. He always sends this in cash.

Speaker 21 So, what denominations did this come in as?

Speaker 2 Well, there's a lot of twos and a fiver that got to the seven.

Speaker 2 It came in as hundreds and then five dollars and then a bunch of twos, a lot of twos, like a bunch of them. He always sends them.

Speaker 2 And then there's also a bill that was from Israel, a 20 shekels, which I believe is around five bucks, if I'm not mistaken, or four.

Speaker 59 Ah, so we got Jew money.

Speaker 2 And that's what he said. He said he sent he's sending some Jew money to us from from the

Speaker 41 from our Muslim friend, yeah.

Speaker 2 The Muslims are now giving us Jew money.

Speaker 9 What does that tell you?

Speaker 2 It tells you something's ironic.

Speaker 145 We're at peak irony here.

Speaker 41 From Sironymus of Dog Patch and Lower Slobobi, he says, Thank you to all producers, name the non-named that contribute to this show from last month.

Speaker 84 But I would like to congratulate the Sale Lake City School Board and political leaders on following the historic example.

Speaker 12 Salt Lake.

Speaker 2 Salt Lake City.

Speaker 9 It says Sale.

Speaker 8 It says SAIL.

Speaker 2 Well, it's Salt Lake City. Okay.

Speaker 73 Is the E next to the T?

Speaker 73 I would like to congratulate the Salt Lake City School Board and political leaders on following the historical example of fighting to display their Confederate battle flag in public spaces, including government buildings.

Speaker 18 A well-worn path of steps and legal precedent.

Speaker 175 Removal of patriarch statues like Joseph and Hiram Smith or Brigham Young can be next.

Speaker 78 If the state keeps fighting, the school board could follow Alabama's strategy over desegregation.

Speaker 145 Can't fly a preferred flag and have the books you want in the classroom.

Speaker 9 Close the schools.

Speaker 50 The Taliban successfully use this tact with their black flags.

Speaker 15 Oh, isn't that interesting?

Speaker 2 So he's referring to, when he says Confederate flag, he's referring to the gay flag.

Speaker 155 Of course. Of course he is.

Speaker 2 He's being facetious. He's sarcastic.

Speaker 28 Yes.

Speaker 80 At different levels.

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 71 That's very interesting.

Speaker 74 So he's comparing the pride movement with the Taliban.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. That's what he's doing.

Speaker 173 That is great.

Speaker 147 That's something to study and think about and throw that out at the water cooler or at a cocktail party.

Speaker 66 Life is a human endeavor, and individuals that are unwilling to compromise pursue well-worn paths.

Speaker 107 Your media deconstruction identifies this tendency.

Speaker 50 No jingles, no karma, 140 words, including these, shekels to offset Jewish shortfall.

Speaker 69 Thank you, Sir Onimus. You are a gentleman, a true gentleman, and clearly a scholar.

Speaker 2 Onward with Eric Reinhart in San Antonio, Texas, 1052.62,

Speaker 2 which is $1,000, actually, with the extra...

Speaker 167 stuff.

Speaker 2 Dear John and Adamson, John without the H. How do you all forgive the long note? I'll keep it brief.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. That's funny.

Speaker 2 Longtime donor, not a boner. This note has been a long time coming.

Speaker 2 I'd like to congratulate you two on creating the best podcast in the universe. By the way,

Speaker 2 I listened to

Speaker 2 Gavin Newsom's podcast. He calls it a pod.

Speaker 9 Oh, that is a violation.

Speaker 2 I just thought you should know that.

Speaker 11 I should send him a summons.

Speaker 59 We should fine him for doing that.

Speaker 2 Your dedication to providing value for value has proven to be immeasurable, and I am returning value back in the form of $1,000.

Speaker 2 I returned an Insta-Night donation and I returned an Instanite donation in 2023

Speaker 2 that I never claimed. Whoa.

Speaker 2 Along with several executive associate executive executives producer credits, most recently set up a sustaining donation of $4 a week. With this donation, I'm finally claiming my knighthood.

Speaker 2 Please dub me Sir Eric. I first heard about the show back in 2021 via Bitcoin Twitter.

Speaker 51 All right.

Speaker 2 Bitcoin Twitter donation.

Speaker 2 And after listening to my

Speaker 2 first episode, I've been hooked. John,

Speaker 2 listen to the Adam. Listen to the Adam when he tells you the

Speaker 12 proverbial, quote, check is in the mail.

Speaker 2 All you need is the keys.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 14 I'm not even going to explain that to you.

Speaker 2 He speaks in riddles.

Speaker 62 Yes.

Speaker 2 Thank you for all the value you have provided over the years. Keep up the good work.
No jingles, no karma.

Speaker 87 Thank you very much.

Speaker 18 Eric, Sir Mike Slayer of Taxes comes in from Las Vegas, Nevada, with $1,000 plus a couple fees.

Speaker 71 So it looks like $10,000, $30, $26.

Speaker 145 John and Adam, Sir Mike Slayer of Taxes here.

Speaker 41 Normally I hail from Las Vegas, but I'm spending the summer in Bemidji, Minnesota.

Speaker 131 I have been to Bemidji, Minnesota, because it's a zillion degrees cooler.

Speaker 78 I am looking forward to my degree in media deconstruction.

Speaker 86 Yes, it's a PhD.

Speaker 100 For years, I have told my wife, who has a real PhD, that I wanted to get a genuine non-accredited PhD so I could have the title of Doctor 2.

Speaker 9 I'm sure this will go over well.

Speaker 9 Yep, I'm pretty sure it will.

Speaker 57 I would like jobs karma for my two human resources and some F cancer in honor of Pat, who fought a valiant battle, but is unfortunately the end of his fight.

Speaker 139 For jingles, please play any Reval.

Speaker 117 I can be found on the interwebs at bestfinancialadvisorintheuniverse.com.

Speaker 24 That is bestfinancialadvisorintheuniverse.com.

Speaker 49 And that's a nice, that is a nice one.

Speaker 51 And he signs off with Sir Mike, the slayer of taxes.

Speaker 143 So we'll start off with jobs.

Speaker 44 Jobs, jobs, and we'll do two karmas for jobs.

Speaker 217 Let's vote for jobs.

Speaker 218 Luta.

Speaker 219 got karma.

Speaker 2 R-E-S-P-I-C-T.

Speaker 218 You've got karma.

Speaker 2 And then we come to David Crawford in Scottsdale, Arizona, who also came in 1030-26.

Speaker 2 And that is

Speaker 2 another PhD, but no jingles, no note, no nothing, at least at this moment. He can send something in and we'll read it later, but he'll get a double-up karma.

Speaker 218 He sure will. You've got

Speaker 219 karma.

Speaker 219 All right.

Speaker 113 Harjeet Dossange, I think.

Speaker 69 Harjeet Dossange

Speaker 186 from,

Speaker 19 is it Freant or Fryant? Freant?

Speaker 2 I've never heard of this city.

Speaker 49 Freant or Freant, California, 350.93 cents.

Speaker 117 And the morning, John and Adam, thank you for all your hard work.

Speaker 157 My husband, Raj, and I have been enjoying the No Agenda Show for over 15 years.

Speaker 146 And it's time for my donation of $333.33 plus fees, obviously.

Speaker 30 Can you also add me to the birthday list? Of course, you're there.

Speaker 86 Turning 58 on July 27th.

Speaker 2 I enjoy your humor and the boomer stories.

Speaker 131 John, I love the tip of the day.

Speaker 66 Adam, I especially like your imitation of people's laughter and voices.

Speaker 8 Ah, yes.

Speaker 10 It's my claim to fame.

Speaker 62 Thank you, gents.

Speaker 41 Give me some goat karma and a bomb bomb them, bomb them, bomb them again, eh?

Speaker 201 In fact, I would say bomb them, bomb them, and then bomb them again.

Speaker 218 You've got

Speaker 219 karma.

Speaker 2 Tom Hartman without the H, so it's a different Tom Hartman. Whatever happened to him, anyway.

Speaker 19 Tom Tom, where is Thom Thom?

Speaker 2 You know, he wrote that book about the Great Depression and crash of 2019, and that was the end of him.

Speaker 2 Clinton Township, Michigan, 333.33. Yeah, whatever happened.

Speaker 17 He still must have some podcasts.

Speaker 94 I'm sure his show, he still has his podcast.

Speaker 177 His pod.

Speaker 2 Pod.

Speaker 2 In the morning, John and Adam. Connection is protection and inspiration is education.
Or and education. For a few years ago, I bought a wooden watch.

Speaker 179 The wooden watch from Sir Mike of Axe.

Speaker 17 It is, yes.

Speaker 126 Headwatch.

Speaker 2 When he launched the company, being that we live in the same town, he hand-delivered the order.

Speaker 9 Nice. We kept in touch.

Speaker 2 When he announced he was closing, I asked why. He explained the problems with wood.

Speaker 9 Then there's plenty.

Speaker 135 You know, everyone has the problems with wood.

Speaker 104 I got a wood problem.

Speaker 2 I said, why not metal?

Speaker 2 He said he was moving on and didn't want to talk about it. I asked if he could show me how.
So here I am with a new watch cup.

Speaker 9 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the MAGA TimeWatch.com. Mega, MAGA, like MAGA Time Watch.
I'm making America golden again.

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MegaWatch.

Speaker 2 MAGATIMEWATSH.com. Jobs, Karma, and D-Douching is in order.

Speaker 9 Well, these are handsome.

Speaker 88 Give me dedouching while you're looking.

Speaker 167 Yes.

Speaker 133 You've been dedouched.

Speaker 217 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Speaker 218 Nicole, You've

Speaker 219 Karma.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 9 Listen to this sales pitch.

Speaker 117 We redefine elegance and sophistication, curating an exceptional collection of luxury wristwatches crafted for the modern man.

Speaker 2 Not bad.

Speaker 9 And they're affordable.

Speaker 27 They're like $95.

Speaker 9 Are they good? Best price.

Speaker 2 I guess he took over

Speaker 2 all the gear and stuff to make the watches.

Speaker 59 Well, no, it looks looks to me like China.

Speaker 9 It doesn't matter. Could be.
Could be.

Speaker 175 Let's see.

Speaker 70 Where are we now?

Speaker 58 We are at

Speaker 165 William Levenberg from Los Angeles, 3333.

Speaker 21 And he says, in all caps, take your Jew money.

Speaker 1 Ah, good.

Speaker 95 Just turned 33.

Speaker 117 Strike me now with jobs, karma, health, karma, and your best Jew jingle.

Speaker 2 Well, what is our best Jew jingle? I said the shape-shifting Jews seems to be the most popular.

Speaker 167 Yes.

Speaker 19 Amongst the Jews.

Speaker 15 Amongst the Jews.

Speaker 202 The Jews seem to like the shape-shifting.

Speaker 84 Yes.

Speaker 27 Since becoming a knight of the Noah and the Roundtable, my amygdala is so small and my

Speaker 117 private parts.

Speaker 66 And my member is so large.

Speaker 207 14 more years.

Speaker 147 Yes,

Speaker 31 here we go.

Speaker 220 Thank you very much for your Jew money.

Speaker 220 Roll up, roll up for the magical shape-shifting Jews.

Speaker 219 You've got karma.

Speaker 2 Lee Gunning is up and he's in Judalop.

Speaker 2 And I've never heard of this town. Joondalup.
I've never heard of this town in Washington. Oh, no, it's not.
It's not Washington.

Speaker 88 He's in Western Australia.

Speaker 37 Oh, that's why I've never heard of it.

Speaker 154 Joondalup. June Dule.

Speaker 167 Juondulup.

Speaker 23 Joondulup.

Speaker 116 Mike.

Speaker 2 June Dulup. Dear John and Adam, this is my first time donating, and it's well overdue.
Thank you both for all the hard work you put into producing the best podcasts in the universe.

Speaker 2 I started listening to you around 2020, and that's when my life started to turn around for the best.

Speaker 2 I can now clearly see the bull crap that is fed to us all on a daily basis by the mainstream media, thanks to you two geniuses.

Speaker 2 This guy's okay. Yeah.
Any time anyone is in Bali, ooh, and oh, oh, he's in Bali. And requires a tattoo.

Speaker 2 Please come to Liberty Inc. Tattoo Studio in, I don't know, says

Speaker 2 Semignac, Semonyak. Semignac, top artists and best prices.

Speaker 2 And he wants to give him some, he also needs to dedouch him, but give him some jobs, Karma.

Speaker 133 You've been dedouched.

Speaker 217 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Speaker 218 You got Karma.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 86 some good production work here look at this our first associate executive producer with a row of ducks 222.22 comes from dame astrid the archduchess of japan and all the disputed islands in the japan sea yes she finally sent me some socks uh are these the ones with the the the japan

Speaker 2 the rising sun how good are those socks excellent socks i mean i have uh red white

Speaker 33 blue i think

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 49 And they hang in there.

Speaker 84 Good socks. Dear John Adam.

Speaker 70 I wear them a lot. I just got.

Speaker 2 You just wear them continually?

Speaker 73 Well, you know, so I have a wonderful self-replicating laundry system, which means Tina does the laundry, and I'm very appreciative every single time it shows up.

Speaker 78 But if I look at my sock drawer and I see the Dame Asfrid socks, they're the first ones I pick up.

Speaker 33 Don't you have a socks that you prefer over others?

Speaker 13 Nah.

Speaker 41 Hmm.

Speaker 65 Dear John and Adam, I felt very boomer myself recently when I found out that a staff in their late 20s doesn't know Quintin Tarantino and pulp fiction.

Speaker 5 Oh, brother.

Speaker 112 I quickly consoled myself that nobody has as much wisdom as us boomers.

Speaker 109 Apologies to the No Agenda Tokyo producers for the late meetup.

Speaker 84 Is that wisdom?

Speaker 9 I guess.

Speaker 65 Apologies to the No Agenda Tokyo producers for the late meetup shout out, but please ask them all to join us this Wednesday, July 30th, to welcome Sebastian from the Gitmo Lowlands.

Speaker 38 It'll be his birthday.

Speaker 68 There it is.

Speaker 101 And wish him happy birthday at Siblum,

Speaker 125 C-Y-B-L-U-M-E, which advertises find hops with girl group Pops in Dogenzaka, the love hotel area of Shibuya.

Speaker 78 That's going to be a banger of a meetup.

Speaker 86 Much love, Dame Astron and Sir Mark, Archduchess and Archduke of Japan and all the disputed islands in the Japan Sea.

Speaker 15 Thank you so much.

Speaker 68 Good to hear from you.

Speaker 179 If you're in Tokyo or happen to be passing by, you want to meet these people.

Speaker 48 You want to meet everybody at the Tokyo meetups.

Speaker 57 It's good stuff, good people, good connection, full-time Japanese protection.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And congratulations to Koto Shoho for winning this last tournament.

Speaker 83 I'm surprised she didn't mention that.

Speaker 2 Excellent,

Speaker 2 excellent matches. Dame Nikki Ray in Tulleton, Oregon.
2222. 222.

Speaker 2 Can I please get some jobs, Karma, for my son, who just graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering? He'll get a job. And is looking for a job in the energy industry.
He'll get a job. Yep.

Speaker 2 As well as birthday wishes for my daughter, who turns 20 on 727 at 727. Hey, all right.
Nice.

Speaker 70 Well timed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 727, 727. And for me, can I get a.
I got ants. Jingle, please love you, mean it.
Dame Nikki Ray.

Speaker 88 Yes, Dame Nikki Ray, we got that for you.

Speaker 169 We got the birthdays on the list and has requested some ants.

Speaker 1 I got ants.

Speaker 1 I got ants.

Speaker 217 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's smoke the job.

Speaker 218 New thoughts.

Speaker 219 Karma.

Speaker 35 All right, then a rather long note here from Bobby Burke, who comes in with 217.61, which is 206.66 plus fees.

Speaker 159 It's a switcheroo birthday shout-out for my smoking hot wife, Joanne Burke.

Speaker 202 Okay, so let me just make sure we put Joanne in there.

Speaker 47 Joanne, okay, Joanne, you're set.

Speaker 30 Please deduce her.

Speaker 66 Her birthday is Monday the 28th.

Speaker 133 You've been deduced.

Speaker 84 She works for the Wisconsin Wisconsin State Lions as chief cat herder.

Speaker 66 No pun intended.

Speaker 100 Working for the state lions has given her the opportunity to also work with the Lions Eye Bank and has gone on missions to Guatemala and the Dominican Republic.

Speaker 65 Surgeons and others volunteer their time and also pay their own plane tickets, hotels, and meals, providing surgeries and glasses to the less fortunate.

Speaker 36 This has been her passion since her first mission.

Speaker 83 I apologize if I get some details wrong, but the majority time I talk to her, I get sucked into her boob vortex and can't remember anything she said.

Speaker 140 Yes, a common problem.

Speaker 112 Yeah, no, I mean, this lady is a saint.

Speaker 27 She will shop at Goodwill for herself so she can save money to spend on someone else.

Speaker 10 She is the most caring and giving person I know, and I'm lucky to be married to her for 26 years.

Speaker 199 Come this September, and we never had a fight.

Speaker 29 Why?

Speaker 140 That is why I'm asking the Noah Nation for your attention to this matter.

Speaker 88 I am asking that after you donate to the best podcast in the universe, if you have a couple coins left in your coin purse, boomer reference, head over to GiveSendGo and donate whatever you can spare to Joanne's Guatemalan hospital fundraiser.

Speaker 71 This money will go directly to the hospital for repairs, equipment, upgrades, etc.

Speaker 147 The working conditions at the hospital are not the best, to say the least.

Speaker 30 He says,

Speaker 94 and I don't know where, he didn't say where that give, send, go is, but I guess you look for the Guatemalan hospital fundraiser.

Speaker 23 I love you, sweetheart, with all my heart.

Speaker 45 Happy birthday.

Speaker 154 Shout out to all the the douchebag lions that have not donated to the show.

Speaker 199 Come on, man. Love you guys.

Speaker 100 No homo.

Speaker 158 Can I get it?

Speaker 39 Just send your cash in a lion's karma.

Speaker 26 It's available.

Speaker 57 We don't.

Speaker 71 Actually, he emailed me about that.

Speaker 28 We'll give you a goat.

Speaker 221 A lot of people want to send blankets or water.

Speaker 2 Just send your cash. Goat will have to see.

Speaker 146 You've got.

Speaker 219 Karma.

Speaker 2 Eric Chaffee, I think is how you pronounce it. Yes.

Speaker 2 Pronounced. Oh, Chaffee, just Chaffee, coffee, but with a CH.

Speaker 174 Choffey. Chaffee.

Speaker 2 21267. ITM.
This is my second upside donation. Producers, are you tired of being a douchebag? Download the Upside app and earn money by filling up your car at participating gas stations.

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Speaker 2 Thank you for your courage, Eric Chuffy, 21267.

Speaker 78 $200.01 coming from Sir Cashman with a dollar sign in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 111 I won't waste real estate saying I hope this note finds you well because this note is definitely too long.

Speaker 199 This is a preemptive donation to prod Jod into figuring out my donation request.

Speaker 57 I have nothing more to say on that.

Speaker 64 Have you read through this thing?

Speaker 140 Okay, I would like to add, because I've never heard it mentioned, I have a sustaining donation uninterrupted to all you producers.

Speaker 86 You can have a sustaining donation and make other donations for special occasions.

Speaker 140 It's like when you go to Chipotle every day and pay them $10 for a bowl of goo.

Speaker 30 The day you get a raise or a tax return, you add $5 for a scoop of I can't believe it's not guacamole, guacamole.

Speaker 21 This donation is for a scoop of no agenda real guacamole.

Speaker 109 Two requests.

Speaker 48 Sorry, they are dancing monkey-like.

Speaker 145 First, can John replace the word bullshit with

Speaker 9 apocryphal?

Speaker 5 Apocryphal?

Speaker 143 What is that?

Speaker 176 Apocryphal.

Speaker 11 What is that? What does that mean?

Speaker 167 End of the world.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 25 So would you please say apocryphal?

Speaker 167 Dance.

Speaker 189 Apocryphal.

Speaker 199 Second, John, again, can you do a live head bonk out soundbite and turn it into a jingle?

Speaker 2 I just go in my room and eat an apple.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was saying. No, I can't.
That's not a good jingle.

Speaker 2 So this guy's got more requests than... Yeah,

Speaker 94 this is so weird.

Speaker 66 Okay, so what he wants is he wants you to do that dance monkey.

Speaker 21 He wants you to do that three times, and then Trump come.

Speaker 94 Let's just do it and just get it over with.

Speaker 2 Wait, he wants me to pound the.

Speaker 26 Yeah, three times. Three times.
Yes.

Speaker 11 I'm going to come.

Speaker 25 All right. Thank you, Sir Steve.
That was quite disturbing.

Speaker 2 Yes, I see.

Speaker 2 I keep these notes shorter, people. It wouldn't hurt.
Linda Lou Patkin in Lakewood, Colorado. Now, she knows how to write a note.
She came in with $200 and she says she wants jobs, Carmen.

Speaker 2 She says, worry about AI

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That's ImageMakers Inc.

Speaker 2 with a K and work with Linda Liu, the Duchess of Jobs, and writer of winning resumes.

Speaker 44 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

Speaker 217 Let's vote for jobs.

Speaker 69 Thank you very much.

Speaker 47 Carmen.

Speaker 96 Thank you very much, Linda Liu.

Speaker 112 Always on that list.

Speaker 61 Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers of episode 1785.

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Speaker 153 Our formula is this:

Speaker 221 we go out, we hit people in the mouth,

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Speaker 221 Wanted to

Speaker 107 just for a second here, you probably saw the president went to, first time since 1932, the president went to the Federal Reserve to go talk to Jay Powell.

Speaker 109 So here are these two numbskulls wearing hard hats. And of course, this was a moment that the mainstream media just

Speaker 109 jumped all over.

Speaker 131 Oh, he got owned by Power.

Speaker 132 We got owned.

Speaker 222 The extraordinary moment playing out in the Federal Reserve Building late today in front of cameras, President Trump and the Federal Reserve Chair, amid the president's continuing pressure on Jerome Powell to bring rates down.

Speaker 222 Today, the sudden move by the president, the numbers he pulled out, Jerome Powell then reading them in real time and shooting them down.

Speaker 1 Just Mary Bruce.

Speaker 223 Tonight, an extraordinary scene at the Federal Reserve as President Trump ramps up his effort to pressure Fed Chair Jerome Powell to lower interest rates.

Speaker 223 Trump making a rare visit to the Fed to challenge Powell on the building's multi-billion dollar renovation.

Speaker 223 With cameras rolling, Trump pulling out a sheet of paper, trying to surprise the Fed chair with a new price tag for the project.

Speaker 223 But Powell telling the president that number factors in construction that was completed five years ago.

Speaker 224 It looks like it's about 3.1 billion. It went up a little bit, or a lot.

Speaker 224 So the 2.7 is now 3.1.

Speaker 221 I'm not a word of the.

Speaker 224 Yeah, it just came out.

Speaker 222 I haven't heard that from anybody at the Fed.

Speaker 221 Yeah, It just came out.

Speaker 221 Arms added about 3.1 as well. 3.1.1, 3.2.
This came from us?

Speaker 224 Yes.

Speaker 221 I don't know who does that.

Speaker 221 You're including the Martin renovation.

Speaker 221 Our entire capital?

Speaker 221 You just added in a third building, is what that is. That's a third building.

Speaker 224 It's a building that's being built.

Speaker 221 No, it was built five years ago.

Speaker 221 We finished Martin five years ago.

Speaker 221 It's part of the overall

Speaker 142 So we're going to take a look.

Speaker 221 But reporters then asking. As a real estate developer, what would you do with a project manager who would be over budget?

Speaker 224 Generally speaking, what would I do?

Speaker 221 I'd fire him.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 47 this whole thing is just baffling to me.

Speaker 65 3.1, 2.7

Speaker 11 billion

Speaker 9 for offices.

Speaker 62 Not only that, but they're already built.

Speaker 2 The renovation is the 2.7. Do you know what it costs to build the entire Bellagio in Las Vegas?

Speaker 14 800 million?

Speaker 2 No, 1.6 billion, and that's expensive. That was the most expensive building at the time.
$1.6 billion to do the entire Bellagio, and it's costing $2.7 billion to do a renovation.

Speaker 84 Yeah, I mean, and that's a scam. At MSNBC, the Hallmore.

Speaker 176 It's apocryphal.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 168 Powell owned him.

Speaker 54 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 125 But

Speaker 39 information is not discussed at all, which is the whole reason why I think the main, I don't know.

Speaker 139 I'm not the Fed chair, but this is the real reason that President Trump wants to make some changes.

Speaker 26 And this was in the statements of the press afterwards, which, of course, no one erred.

Speaker 139 Why would you?

Speaker 89 If it's high, it never helps it. Well, it's already as good as we're doing.
Think of how well we'd be doing. We'd be like a rocket ship.

Speaker 89 As good as we're doing, we'd do better if we had lower interest rates. And we should.
We're prime. Don't forget, without us, the whole world collapses.
So we should have the lowest interest rate.

Speaker 89 Because, you know, you can talk about Switzerland, you can talk about wonderful countries, no debt, no, but without us, everything collapses. We should have the lowest interest rate.

Speaker 89 And if you took it down three points, not a little bit, but three points, if you got us down to one, we would save more than a trillion dollars basically with just a paper transfer.

Speaker 89 You wouldn't be cutting costs of anything. You wouldn't be building anything.
Just a move of the hand saying we're going to lower interest rates. You would save a trillion dollars a year.

Speaker 89 And there's nothing you can do to save that kind of money.

Speaker 17 So,

Speaker 89 well, we had a little talk about it, and I thought it was a very productive talk.

Speaker 89 He'll be able to tell you at his next meeting, but I will say that he did say the country is doing really well. And the country is really doing well.

Speaker 73 What would happen, in your opinion,

Speaker 37 if by some miraculous

Speaker 115 happenstance,

Speaker 54 the Federal Reserve lowered the interest rate by three points in one go?

Speaker 9 What would happen?

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, the housing market would go nuts.

Speaker 27 Yeah. Everyone would start buying houses.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it would be the prices of houses would just skyrocket.

Speaker 2 I mean, to an extreme. And the other thing is the stock market would probably

Speaker 2 spend about three or four days trying to figure out whether this was good or bad, and then

Speaker 2 perhaps start to go up

Speaker 2 to an extreme that's uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 Things would, it wouldn't be a bad, I mean,

Speaker 2 it wouldn't hurt anything.

Speaker 190 And we could refi the country overnight.

Speaker 68 We could refi the debt that we have to pay back this year.

Speaker 2 Refiing would be a good idea.

Speaker 149 Yeah, that's how he saves the trillion dollars by a refi.

Speaker 9 So?

Speaker 2 But they're not going to do it. I mean, I don't know why we actually have high, the high, Switzerland, I think, is down to like 1.5.

Speaker 167 It's really low.

Speaker 175 All of the EU is down to two.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's down.

Speaker 2 We're actually artificially high. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 73 Well, is that just political because he doesn't actually want Trump to refi the country and say, look, I saved this a trillion dollars?

Speaker 2 It has to be.

Speaker 9 Well, that's an outrage.

Speaker 2 I mean, he did lower the interest rates just before the Paris,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 out of the blue. He said, well, let's lower it now and make the economy kind of perk up a bit.

Speaker 28 Yeah. And it did.

Speaker 2 And then he hasn't done anything since.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he was hired by Trump to begin with.
I don't know what the thing was going on there. It could have been just the bad advice Trump received for the first term.

Speaker 2 He was just everything was, he put people in there, one person after another, that were just bad.

Speaker 77 Yeah.

Speaker 48 Right on queue, which is exactly what I would have done if I had the Epstein scandal.

Speaker 154 I'd jack everything up and say, hey, you know what?

Speaker 54 Now I got everybody believing that I got Colbert fired.

Speaker 9 Let's approve the merger.

Speaker 201 Some news closer to home here at CBS. The Federal Communications Commission has approved the planned merger between Paramount Global, our parent company here at CBS, and Skydance Media.

Speaker 201 It's a decision that clears the way for Skydance's $8 billion acquisition of Paramount and its subsidiaries, which include the CBS television network and its owned and operated stations.

Speaker 201 The FCC approval comes after Paramount agreed to a $16 million settlement with President Trump over his allegation that 60 Minutes deceptively edited an interview with Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, an accusation that Paramount has said was completely without merit.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's what I do.

Speaker 76 That's hilarious.

Speaker 9 Yeah, prove it.

Speaker 47 Prove it now.

Speaker 109 And then, you know what?

Speaker 11 Call up those boys.

Speaker 50 Call up those

Speaker 50 cartoon boys.

Speaker 9 Let them release the new season.

Speaker 23 This is hilarious. Go, go, go, go.

Speaker 136 In their season premiere, South Park's co-creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone are at it again. This time, mocking President Trump's ego, his manhood, and pension for lawsuits.

Speaker 136 The episode has the White House seeing red.

Speaker 225 The show hasn't been relevant for over 20 years and is hanging hanging on by a thread with uninspired ideas in a desperate attempt for attention.

Speaker 225 President Trump has delivered on more promises in just six months than any other president in our country's history. And no fourth-rate show can derail President Trump's hot streak.

Speaker 136 MAGA fans, too, reacted on social media, with many complaining that South Park had sold out or caught a case of Trump derangement syndrome. Stone and Parker were asked to weigh in on the uproar.

Speaker 103 You've been following it?

Speaker 226 What do you make of this?

Speaker 136 The episode also took aim at South Park's new parent company, Paramount, and its controversial decision to pay Trump $16 million to settle a lawsuit, as well as its cancellation of the popular CBS program, The Late Show, with Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 65 The government can't cancel the show.

Speaker 134 I mean, what show are they going to cancel next?

Speaker 136 The premiere aired just hours after Parker and Stone signed a five-year deal with Paramount for 50 new episodes and rights to stream previous seasons, reported to be worth $1.5 billion.

Speaker 72 I have not seen it, I've seen all the

Speaker 30 clips of the episode.

Speaker 11 I just went to go see it.

Speaker 48 And I thought because I have HBO

Speaker 70 that I would get it automatically, but they don't have the new season.

Speaker 27 I don't know why.

Speaker 74 And I'm not going to go buy Paramount streaming.

Speaker 2 They have it on YouTube.

Speaker 9 The full episode?

Speaker 2 No, they have the part that's controversial.

Speaker 73 No, yeah, I know, but what if I just want to see the whole episode?

Speaker 172 I have to buy Paramount Streaming.

Speaker 132 You have to wait.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to do that. Yeah, well, Paramount Stream, who nobody does that.

Speaker 15 No, I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 But the Sky Dance thing was going to go through no matter what. Of course.
But now that they have taken over, they don't have to fire Colbert.

Speaker 2 I think Colbert is going to get let go before the May deadline. He's going to be bought out.

Speaker 47 Now, you want to put money on that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll put $10 on it.

Speaker 28 Ah, let's go five.

Speaker 2 Okay, so the bet would be that Colbert lasts the whole to May.

Speaker 147 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, he's going to have a big goodbye, and all the celebrities will come by in the last week.

Speaker 2 Okay, he talked me out of the bet.

Speaker 9 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 144 they'll finally get some ratings on that show.

Speaker 37 What are you talking about?

Speaker 9 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 39 the writers and that 200-person staff, yeah, they're getting acts early.

Speaker 2 Now, the

Speaker 2 show that's tar, I think, is going to be targeted is Comedy Central with Jon Stewart.

Speaker 84 Yes.

Speaker 167 Yes.

Speaker 2 So the Skydance guys are going to have to take care of that themselves. We'll see how it works out.

Speaker 26 Do we not understand that it is time?

Speaker 66 It is time for linear programming to just go away.

Speaker 34 It's not of this world anymore.

Speaker 9 Linear programmes.

Speaker 2 I like the fact that

Speaker 2 the view is taking the nasty word hiatus.

Speaker 8 Yeah, what happened there?

Speaker 9 Do we know?

Speaker 168 Out of the blue.

Speaker 2 We're going on a hiatus, and you know what that means.

Speaker 96 Well, maybe it's just a vacation.

Speaker 61 Maybe it's just July.

Speaker 2 They didn't say vacation. They didn't say that.

Speaker 39 Well, no,

Speaker 30 in television land, we say hiatus.

Speaker 12 We're on

Speaker 2 hiatus when you're done.

Speaker 83 We're on hiatus this Thursday, John.

Speaker 9 Whoa.

Speaker 2 No, we're not.

Speaker 12 We're taking a date.

Speaker 2 We're taking a show off, and the show is still going to be produced, and it's going to be a dynamite show, and it's got, you know, it'll be fine. It'll be great.
Well,

Speaker 58 you, I think you mentioned this to me right after the show on Sunday, and I was like, I hadn't heard about this, but yes, it's true.

Speaker 2 Next, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, fresh off that lavish wedding in Venice, may be looking to expand his media empire.

Speaker 196 He already owns the Washington Post, and now he's reportedly thinking about buying CNBC. That is according to the New York Post, but Bezos does not comment.

Speaker 2 My understanding is going to buy the whole thing. He's going to buy SNBC, CNBC, that whole group.
He's not just buying CNN. They're not spinning off just.

Speaker 2 That has to be part of the whole package.

Speaker 84 He gets Spinco.

Speaker 77 Spinco.

Speaker 9 Spinco. What will he call it?

Speaker 2 Bezos television?

Speaker 1 Nah, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Amazon TV.

Speaker 9 Ooh, we'll just fold it.

Speaker 2 And Amazon TV is not bad. The Amazon network?

Speaker 82 He could fold it into Amazon. That's interesting.

Speaker 60 That's the way to go.

Speaker 2 He could could fold it into Prime.

Speaker 55 He should let his new wife.

Speaker 2 They can do live streaming on Prime and do stream.

Speaker 9 Whoa, hold on a second.

Speaker 117 They're never going to take it off of cable because that's still the money.

Speaker 25 The carriage fees is still the money.

Speaker 2 No, but that, but the butt, they'll

Speaker 2 transcode it and run it off straight off of Amazon, too. Why not?

Speaker 85 Because if it's on Amazon.

Speaker 11 Well,

Speaker 30 I guess if people pay, it's such, it's free money.

Speaker 84 The cable stations have to be.

Speaker 11 Yeah, free money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 There is some issues with doing both.

Speaker 28 I agree.

Speaker 78 But why is he doing it?

Speaker 73 Because he really wants to be only.

Speaker 2 No, because the CIA

Speaker 2 knocked on the door and said, hey, look.

Speaker 51 Hey, look.

Speaker 2 We're going to lose control of this little outlet.

Speaker 2 You bought the Washington Post for us, which is, as Steve Vannon mentioned, is called the CIA Bugle.

Speaker 17 And you own that now.

Speaker 127 No, it's not. It's the.

Speaker 36 Where is the CIA located?

Speaker 2 in virtual in uh langley the langley bugle i think he called it the langley bugle not the langley bugle okay yeah but you got that now you're gonna have to help us out here uh and we'll keep contracting with uh your servers to do uh to do our backhand and that's what you know because he's got most of that business so you think and he kind of does what he has what he's told do you think sanchez is his handler it makes a lot of sense actually now i think about it wow huh

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's an interesting theory.

Speaker 41 Why not?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Could be.

Speaker 46 She could be the handler.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 30 Anyway, good luck to him.

Speaker 38 That's great.

Speaker 57 Keep it going, Jeff.

Speaker 190 We need clips.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true. We need clips, and it places a gold mine.

Speaker 191 You got anything to play us out with?

Speaker 62 No, I can play us out with a little fish poaching.

Speaker 2 You want to talk about fish poaching? You know, I think that's kind of an interesting story.

Speaker 202 I thought you'd never never ask about fish poaching.

Speaker 202 Fish poaching, fish poachers.

Speaker 227 There are small fishing boats, and then there are industrial fishing ships. They're basically floating factories at sea.

Speaker 228 Imagine a huge vessel on the water that is pulling in just vast, vast quantities of fish.

Speaker 227 Jennifer Raynor is a natural resource economist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She says these massive boats catch fish, process it, freeze it, and then other other boats come to pick it up.

Speaker 124 So the operation doesn't have to stop.

Speaker 228 Sometimes these boats can be out there for two years at a time, just fishing non-stop in places that they never could have reached before.

Speaker 227 These large vessels are now responsible for most of the global seafood catch. Rayner says many of these ships now have GPS transponders that report their position, but there are still blind spots.

Speaker 228 Those blind spots are that captains can disable this device, and you might expect that you'd be more likely to do that if you're doing things that are illegal.

Speaker 228 And many vessels are not required to use this system.

Speaker 227 It's been hard to figure out the impact these dark vessels, as they're known, are having on marine life. Now, new technology is helping.

Speaker 227 Radar from European satellites is able to detect large vessels on the ocean.

Speaker 227 Raynor and her colleagues use all that tracking data to see how many vessels were in marine protected areas, places where fishing is banned.

Speaker 13 Wow.

Speaker 81 I am kind of sorry I asked for this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you should be.

Speaker 2 But I still am amazed by a ship that just sits out there grabbing fish like there's no tomorrow for two years.

Speaker 9 Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 What a job that's got to be. You must not like women.

Speaker 228 Perhaps surprisingly, given how hard monitoring is and how vast these spaces can be, we found that poaching is surprisingly rare.

Speaker 227 Almost 80% of the protected areas had no industrial fishing activity, which which Raynier published in the journal Science.

Speaker 228 I think it's a very hopeful sign for conservation. At a bare minimum, we need compliance, right?

Speaker 227 A study by other researchers also used the same tracking data.

Speaker 227 Raphael Saguin of the University of Montpellier in France looked at a bigger group of protected areas, places with some protections, but that still allow some fishing.

Speaker 227 He found industrial fishing going on in about half of them.

Speaker 229 Two-thirds of industrial fishing in these marine protected areas were untracked. They were invisible to public tracking systems.

Speaker 229 And that means that we have underestimated what is actually going on in marine protected areas.

Speaker 227 Almost 200 countries have agreed to protect 30% of the ocean by 2030. Today, it's only about 8%.

Speaker 227 But Sagan says if there's industrial fishing in these protected areas, that goal doesn't mean much.

Speaker 229 Every area of the ocean that can be fished is fished today. So that's a big issue because when we say we want to protect 30% of the ocean, most of the time it's false protection.

Speaker 227 But Sagan says the potential is that these new satellite technologies could help countries with enforcement by tracking illegal fishing in real time.

Speaker 227 So protected areas of the ocean will actually be protected.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm sorry I got those.

Speaker 2 But I will say this educational people now know.

Speaker 208 And do you know what the...

Speaker 143 Oh, wow, is it raining? Oh, it just started pouring.

Speaker 115 Do you know what the... Is it raining there?

Speaker 103 Yeah, it just started pouring all of a sudden.

Speaker 193 Do you know what the main catch is of these poachers?

Speaker 2 Sharks.

Speaker 13 Mackerel.

Speaker 2 Oh, now you've connected the dots.

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Speaker 1 In the morning. In the morning.

Speaker 178 Thank you, gentlemen. You're more than welcome.

Speaker 154 Not every single meetup is big, but two people, even one, and a dog, you got a meetup, Victoria, British Columbia.

Speaker 233 All right, this is Sir Rogo the Taverns, Baron of the Calichon Valley, at the Victoria Meetup on Friday, July 25th, 2025. And with me here today,

Speaker 234 hi, it's Barbara. It's ITM.
And

Speaker 233 there we go. There's the meetup report for the Victoria meetup.

Speaker 235 Hope everyone joins us. We'll be doing this again in about two weeks.
Come join us down here. We'll let Rogue say his word.

Speaker 180 Oh, he pinched the dog. I like the end of that report.

Speaker 235 That was awesome.

Speaker 86 And I sounded like a very native Dutch speaker there.

Speaker 74 And we had it at that meetup. Thank you very much.

Speaker 145 We have a meetup taking place this Wednesday.

Speaker 74 It is July 30th.

Speaker 25 We told you all about us.

Speaker 154 The emergency meetup and birthday celebration for Sir Sebastian of the Gitmo Lowlands.

Speaker 54 That will be at 7.30 Japan Standard Time at Cyblum, C-Y-B-L-U-M-E, in Shibuya, Shibuya, Japan, Tokyo, Japan.

Speaker 66 Sir Mark, Archduke of Japan, Japan Sea, and all the disputed lands, is organizing that.

Speaker 48 And on Thursday, our next official show day, which will be the best of Adam and John's

Speaker 101 exit strategies.

Speaker 73 It's hours of fun.

Speaker 37 You will laugh.

Speaker 154 This is a good show. North Georgia Monthly Meetup takes place at 6 o'clock at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia.

Speaker 140 Many more to come in August.

Speaker 117 Victoria, British Columbia, Eagle, Idaho, Bedford, Texas, Copenhagen, Denmark, Blaine, Washington, Charlotte, North Carolina, Maastricht, the Netherlands, Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker 29 Hello, Cleveland. Mayfield Heights, Ohio.

Speaker 87 Alpharetta, Georgia, again.

Speaker 74 And there's many more.

Speaker 26 Go to noagendameetups.com to find the entire list.

Speaker 96 If you can't find one on that list, no problem.

Speaker 159 You can start one yourself.

Speaker 165 Noagendametups.com.

Speaker 165 Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

Speaker 165 You'd be where you won't be. Triggered on hell lame.

Speaker 165 You to be where everybody feels the same.

Speaker 165 It's like a party.

Speaker 173 And they are indeed always like a party.

Speaker 18 And that's pretty much baked into the whole idea, guaranteed.

Speaker 127 Time for us to select some ISOs for the end of the show.

Speaker 139 I see you have two, John.

Speaker 15 I'm not even going to ask if you found them yourself or if the AI generated.

Speaker 208 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 159 I'll start with mine.

Speaker 171 These guys are smart. They're hardworking.

Speaker 32 They're motivated.

Speaker 75 They want more and more.

Speaker 159 Tad on the long side.

Speaker 77 We have this one.

Speaker 92 Full body.

Speaker 2 I couldn't understand it. Okay.

Speaker 9 How about this one?

Speaker 216 That's just propaganda.

Speaker 164 That's cute. I kind of like that one.

Speaker 180 What do you have?

Speaker 2 I don't have anything good either.

Speaker 132 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Let's start with, what do we got? Let's do with the podcasts.

Speaker 9 Wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 10 Oh, no, no,

Speaker 2 no, no.

Speaker 2 Then the other one is support.

Speaker 152 I hope you'll consider supporting us.

Speaker 51 Ah, muddly.

Speaker 152 I hope you'll consider supporting us.

Speaker 9 How about this?

Speaker 216 That's just propaganda.

Speaker 27 Come on, that's loud.

Speaker 179 That's propaganda.

Speaker 179 That's not propaganda.

Speaker 2 We're not doing propaganda on this show.

Speaker 216 That's just propaganda.

Speaker 66 But it's not about just.

Speaker 57 Of course, we're not propaganda.

Speaker 216 That's just propaganda.

Speaker 74 It's the best ISO.

Speaker 107 It sounds the best.

Speaker 2 And it's insulting.

Speaker 23 Okay, what do you want then?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 that's the only choice we've got, really.

Speaker 39 What? We have no choice?

Speaker 2 What was the first one?

Speaker 202 The first one.

Speaker 70 The first one was

Speaker 58 too long.

Speaker 171 These guys are smart. They are hardworking.

Speaker 32 They are motivated.

Speaker 75 They want more and more.

Speaker 13 You know, if you took they want more and more off, it'd be perfect.

Speaker 171 These guys are smart. They're hardworking.

Speaker 32 They're motivated.

Speaker 75 They want more and more. Okay, I could take that.

Speaker 171 I could edit.

Speaker 202 Let me just make sure.

Speaker 98 I can edit that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, shorter and better. It would be like this.

Speaker 171 These guys are smart. They are hardworking.

Speaker 32 They are motivated.

Speaker 9 Right there. Boom.

Speaker 69 Boom. That's exactly what I was talking about.

Speaker 7 Hey, before we do anything, it's time for John's tip of the day.

Speaker 1 Create masks for you and me. Just the tip with JCD

Speaker 135 and sometimes Adam.

Speaker 135 Created by Dana Bernetti.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have a website selection

Speaker 2 that's very valuable for people who like to at least see who's talking to them or sending them email or anything. And it's the best of the group.
There's a bunch of these things.

Speaker 2 There's iplocation.net.

Speaker 64 Okay,

Speaker 84 what kind of thing is this?

Speaker 70 That's interesting.

Speaker 149 Iplocation.net.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and

Speaker 62 it tells you where it's basically a uh

Speaker 2 finds your uh ip address you put an ip address in it tells you where you are but it doesn't just do it with one source it's actually a meta site that looks at a bunch of different sources so you get a bunch of possibilities

Speaker 2 okay so is it going to find so is it going to find my my address now yeah as soon as you load it it will give you your address immediately let's see how it does okay so let me paste this in here let me see ip lookup Oh, wait.

Speaker 93 It didn't do it.

Speaker 2 Iplocation.net.

Speaker 47 Yeah, no, I'm that.

Speaker 71 I know, but I'm clicking the button.

Speaker 145 It says I'm in Greatwood, Texas.

Speaker 22 Awesome.

Speaker 2 Now put in somebody else's IP address and it'll give you like eight selections.

Speaker 160 Oh, hold on a second.

Speaker 18 Now, this one says I'm in Kyle.

Speaker 15 This one says I'm in Dallas.

Speaker 146 Ah, Fredericksburg. There it is.

Speaker 28 Okay.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 78 We got a Sugarland.

Speaker 132 Hmm.

Speaker 155 Interesting.

Speaker 2 In most cases, it's all the same. But some flaky IP guys, you know, since they're all over the place, I don't know what network you're on, they'll give you some estimates.

Speaker 94 I don't like flaky IP guys, those guys are no good.

Speaker 61 No.

Speaker 9 All right.

Speaker 2 Well, it's a flakyip.com.

Speaker 231 There it is, everybody.

Speaker 220 Go to tipoftheday.net or noagendafun.com for all of John's tips.

Speaker 1 Create a master, you and me, just the chip with JCD,

Speaker 1 and sometimes at home.

Speaker 38 Created by Dana Bernetti. That's right.
They are good tips.

Speaker 83 These are tips that are handy.

Speaker 112 You can use them anywhere.

Speaker 13 Collect all 1,000

Speaker 71 and win the bonus prize.

Speaker 174 Code Bongino.

Speaker 169 Coming up next on your No Agenda stream, or if you're using one of those modern podcast apps, we've got Tony Heller.

Speaker 9 Tony Heller? I've never heard of Tony Heller.

Speaker 18 Oh.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 87 it's a Grimerica show.

Speaker 162 There you go.

Speaker 10 Grimerica. We love the boys over there.
Grimerica. They're good.
I love those boys.

Speaker 18 Also, end of show mixes.

Speaker 79 We've got Melo D.

Speaker 30 We got Judd Hawley.

Speaker 54 These are all real mixes, by the way. And NORAD.

Speaker 92 All real music. No AI.

Speaker 7 No joke.

Speaker 158 No jip.

Speaker 10 Because we're no agenda, baby.

Speaker 107 On Thursday, you get the best of Adam and John's exit strategies more than two hours.

Speaker 30 You're gonna love it, guaranteed.

Speaker 10 Until then, coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in Fredericksburg, Texas, close to Kyle and Sugarland.

Speaker 230 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 2 And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's finally warming up, I can see San Francisco. I'm John C.
DeVora.

Speaker 230 We return on Thursday for the best of our exit strategies.

Speaker 32 Until then, adios mofos, a hooee-hoo-eye, and such.

Speaker 2 So the lawsuit claims that this has been a year-long campaign by Candace Owens.

Speaker 1 Why are the Macron suing now? Like, what changed? Why sue now?

Speaker 1 Now.

Speaker 1 Now.

Speaker 1 We have intended to engage with her for the last year.

Speaker 1 Putting evidence in front of her. Evidence.

Speaker 2 Request after request after request.

Speaker 151 That she just simply do the right thing.

Speaker 1 This is not

Speaker 1 a legal thing.

Speaker 20 Do the right thing. Tell the truth.

Speaker 127 Stop spreading these lies.

Speaker 127 She mocked the Macrones.

Speaker 127 Do the right thing.

Speaker 1 Stop spreading these lies.

Speaker 1 Do the right thing.

Speaker 127 Stop spreading these lies.

Speaker 127 She mocked the Macron's.

Speaker 127 Stop spreading these lies.

Speaker 127 Do the right thing.

Speaker 127 Now, now, now, now. Stop spreading these lies.

Speaker 127 Some people are afraid of the weather,

Speaker 127 yeah.

Speaker 1 Some need an excuse to stay home.

Speaker 1 Some people come in boring,

Speaker 44 but I've got to, got to escape the heat dome.

Speaker 114 The new shows talk about me being

Speaker 3 say I'm doing it wrong, doing it wrong.

Speaker 3 But don't you worry, baby. Not a worry, mama.

Speaker 114 Staying right here at home.

Speaker 114 I'm a nose picker, I'm a grinner. I'm a lover and a weak swimmer.

Speaker 114 Can't play my music in the sun.

Speaker 1 I'm a joker, crack smoker. Gonna be much broker.

Speaker 1 Sure don't wanna hurt no one

Speaker 1 from me, but they can't take away my soul with fluoride.

Speaker 132 Fake news, form or five.

Speaker 1 The channel known to it, just making my teeth chill.

Speaker 1 Cause he's making periodontist grills with skill But he telling me the lies like the ADA tell That fluoride is safe and it don't kill Fluoride in the water making brothers sick and crazy They're complacent to the bargain basement politicians shady And the way they treat the people it is certainly No, maybe that they're into my control Which is why fluoride is caging

Speaker 1 a new conspiracy The government wants that mind for me But they can't take away my soul with fluoride Fake news pharma or 5G We know that Martin Luther King Jr.

Speaker 9 was shot But what media don't tell us is the government plot They expecting us to be dumb, listen full of brain rot.

Speaker 1 That might fool a lot of folk, but to me, nah.

Speaker 9 CIA and MK ultra taking control of our minds.

Speaker 17 So they're complacent and desensitized to governmental crime.

Speaker 1 The mainstream media is barbed by spooks who tell them what to decide.

Speaker 9 So they gas like with strong man, which is why the news is cake.

Speaker 1 Have you heard the new conspiracy?

Speaker 1 The government wants that mind from me. But they can't take away my soul.
It's flutter of fake news for them.

Speaker 1 KG, conspiracies are real. K-G, KG, K-G.

Speaker 1 KG, conspiracies are real, K-G, K-G-K-G. Have you heard the new conspiracy?

Speaker 1 Oh, I GKG

Speaker 1 The best podcast in the universe.

Speaker 9 Adios, Mofo Devorak.org slash N A

Speaker 171 These guys are smart, they're hardworking, they're motivated.