1781 - "Cluster 1"

666, Mark of the Beast.

Adam Curry, John C.

Dvorak.

And Sunday, July 13, 2025, this is your award-winning Give On Nation Media Assassination episode 1781.

This is no agenda.

40 years since Live Aid, and we're now broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region number 6.

In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all need more lectures on stablecoin.

I'm John C.

DeBorak.

It's Craig Bottom Boskill in the morning.

I never thought I'd hear you say anything about stablecoin.

What do you mean, more lectures on stablecoin?

We got a nasty note from one of another podcasters that says we're not talking enough about stablecoin.

No,

you got a nasty note.

Yeah, well,

saying that you thought my presentation was boring, but apparently I'm going viral on X.

I'm going viral on X, man.

Going viral.

You're totally viral.

Hey, here's a pop quiz for you.

40 years ago, Live Aid.

What was the purpose?

What was the point of live aid?

Oh,

now you've stumped me.

You're going to try to stump me.

What was the purpose?

40 years ago?

Wait a minute.

Let me think.

First of all, I have to say it would be 1985.

85, correct?

So that's good.

Let's see.

What was it?

What?

No, don't, no, don't, no, looking it up.

No, no, no.

I'm not looking anything up.

I'm back.

I'm laid back in the chair.

In the chaise.

In the chaise.

What happened in 1985?

Lou Reagan was president.

There was,

there must have been a, was there a flood, or was there somebody died?

Or was there some horrible...

I'm stumped.

It was the famine in Ethiopia.

Why are you laughing about starving African wars?

Wow.

Because for one thing, the live-eight money never went to Ethiopia.

I think we knew that after the fact.

Well, I didn't see a money.

Don't send your cash.

Don't send your water.

Don't send your blankets.

And then we.

No, no.

Don't send your blankets.

Don't send your water.

Send your cash to us.

That was George Bush.

Water and blankets.

Let me see.

Don't send your blankets.

Where is that?

Huh.

I can't find it anymore.

I know it's just send your cash.

That's what it is.

Send your cash.

Just send your cash.

Here it is.

Here it is.

But that was for Haiti.

I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.

Just send your cash.

That cash, that's the cash.

They've really never arrived at his destination.

Cash

to Ethiopia never.

There was a scandal about live aid.

Now, for extra points, what was the follow-up to live Aid from British artists?

Oh, brother.

I remember there was a follow-up.

I do remember vaguely some of these things.

Normally, I would have this stuff firmly entrenched in my memory if I thought it was important.

But I think I kicked that one out, too.

Band-aid.

Band-aid.

Oh, yeah, Band-Aid.

Who had the hit, Do They Know It's Christmas?

Do They Know It's Christmas?

Yes.

and for extra extra points how did Phil Collins get from Wembley Stadium to JFK Stadium in Philadelphia on the same day during live 8 chopper

now that was the Concord remember that was a big Concorde promotion oh the Concord yeah yeah yeah I flew on the do you ever fly on the Concorde You know,

I'm not worried about because there's a new faster plane coming, but

from Boom who these people are.

Yeah, Boom.

That's the airline I want to be on.

Boom.

That sounds like a good one.

Boom, boom.

No, it was.

I flew.

I almost had a chance once, and then I blew the real, at least the joyride chance

because

after the thing folded,

they had joyrides out of the Oakland airport.

I think they were like 200 bucks or 150 bucks.

They were cheap.

And they could get in the Concord in Oakland.

I don't know.

It barely land there, but it did.

And they'd take off and go up, up to the air,

up to some thousand, 50,000 feet and get up to speed and then come back down.

It was like a 20-minute flight.

Well, I flew on it from London to New York.

And

it was very...

What's interesting about it, for people who care, I mean, it's a bit of aviation history, so it's nice to know.

First of all, there was no movie because

the flight was so short that they didn't really have time to show a movie, including your in-flight meal.

And about,

I think it was about three hours, three hours and 15 minutes.

And about two hours into the trip, it got uncomfortably warm.

And they said it's going to get a little bit warmer than you'd expect.

And that was purely because of the friction, I guess,

up at that altitude.

And the plane apparently elongates up to five or six inches

while in flight.

You should be so lucky.

There it is.

And on the way back,

because I flew it back.

What was the, I remember I'd picked up in New York.

It was one of the first

kind of like pocket computers that had, oh man, what was Sinclair?

No, no, no, it was a HP.

It's from the era of the HP, but it had a Palm.

Zion.

Somehow, it's Zion.

I'm doing the best I can.

You're doing the best you can, but that's not it.

It was, no, it's pre-all that.

Pre-Palm?

Yeah, it was pre-Palm.

It was, you could program it.

Cassiopeia.

No, no, no.

And it wow, I'm really digging now.

It opened up long ways and it had like a sheath and you'd open it up.

Yeah, the Dyneco or whatever it is.

Sorry with the D.

No, it had people like Newton.

That was way before the Newton.

Slide rule.

No.

Maybe it'll come to me.

Slide rule.

It'll come.

It was a notebook.

Zoom notebook.

A pad, a pocket pad.

It wasn't the Zoom.

Ah, what the heck was that thing?

Anyway.

Zoom.

It'll come to me.

But I picked one up.

I was like, oh, this is great.

I can play with it on the plane.

This will be fun.

And

your idea of fun.

Yeah, like, oh, I can program it.

I can, you know, it had a

booklet, a booklet.

Yeah.

Flips by the time we get off.

It had a booklet.

And

I couldn't because Liza Minelli was sitting behind me, drunk, completely plastered.

And she was so annoying.

And she'd be kicking the back of my chair.

It was just so distracting.

Ah, yes.

First world problems.

Boy.

There's a story for you.

But what was that thing?

Anyway, so while we're talking about aviation, those days are over for you.

Well, it's over for the Concorde, too.

It was also over for Lysa.

Yes.

Speaking of aviation.

Aviation.

Who goes to the donations?

Was the flick of two switches enough to bring down India Flight 171?

The first report from Indian investigators into the disaster in Ahmedabad one month ago has revealed that fuel to the aircraft was momentarily cut off shortly after takeoff.

The report reveals confusion in the cockpit.

In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut off.

The other pilot responded that he did not do so.

Investigators have not drawn official conclusions yet, but reported no technical issues with the engines or the aircraft.

So it seems this was the culprit's two fuel switches that were mysteriously moved from run to cut off within a second of each other.

From that point, the Boeing Dreamliner lost speed and altitude.

The switches were flipped back on, but it was too late.

One of the pilots transmitted a May Day signal before the plane crashed some 30 seconds after taking off.

All but one of the 242 people on board and 19 people on the ground were killed.

Boeing and Air India have said they'll continue to support the investigation, which could take months to complete.

Okay, a couple of things.

First of all, your No Agenda Show said right away away that this was not what everyone was saying.

Oh, the flaps weren't up.

The flaps were down.

They weren't up.

Oh, the gear was down.

No.

No.

Complete fuel starvation.

However, I think there's a cover-up.

Seems like there's a cover-up on this.

Note that we have not heard the actual conversation between the pilots.

We have no audio tape.

And these are not direct quotes.

If you read the

AABI

report, they're just saying what happened.

They're not giving you direct quotes.

And so it's being blamed on the pilots.

Oh, well, you know, one guy might have accidentally switched it off and it was a suicide mission.

Please.

Well, there's a couple of, I like the suicide mission.

No.

But there's a couple of other things that came out.

I don't have the clip.

I thought I had the clip.

I was going to get the clip.

I do have a clip, but it's from PBS.

It doesn't say anything more in your clip.

But there was another clip that came out, and I'm not even sure where it was, and I'm surprised I don't have it, but there was a long discussion with some spokesperson from Air India and a pilot that flies that plane.

He says, you can't accidentally turn those.

You have to really make an effort to turn those switches off.

But then they made the point

that,

for good reason, obviously.

And they made the point that Boeing had a maintenance of

about those switches in particular

that Air India decided to ignore.

Correct.

A special airworthiness information bulletin December 17th, 2018, regarding the potential disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature.

This is, I think it's a Boeing mess-up.

I think so, too.

It should not have been optional because Boeing made it an optional fix.

And to be fair about it, Air India should have not just like, oh, it's optional.

Who cares?

Well, you know, I don't want to make any generalizations about the Indian culture.

Oh, here we go.

So I'm not going to.

By the way, thank you, Matthew.

The Scion 2.

It was the Scion Organizer 2.

I would have not come to that one.

No, but the minute he posted it, I'm like, yes, that was it.

The Scion Organizer 2.

So we'll see where this ends up.

But to me,

I don't know if that predates the palm.

That I don't know.

But the palm sucked.

You had to learn what the palm is great.

What was that language?

What was that language you had to learn again?

That was the palm of shorthand.

Yeah, but it had a name.

It had a name.

Here we go.

This Boomer Alert.

Boy, when I was a kid, Boomer Alert.

I was made out of plastic.

Boomer.

So

just

I'm embracing it now.

I might as well.

Even my wife.

Might as well.

Even my wife is better.

Let me just tell you this.

It's not going to get any better.

No, no, it's not.

Graffiti.

That's what it was.

Graffiti.

Ah, yes, exactly.

You got me.

Or as you would say.

We're losing out today.

As you would say, graffiti.

Graffiti, yeah.

Even though the whole world calls it graffiti, you stick it graffiti.

A couple of notes about the trip to New York.

We got got back yesterday.

Everything went fine.

Thank you for asking.

The things that I noticed, first of all, and

we weren't anywhere near Times Square.

We were more in the Soho

part of town, which in Texas we call it south of Houston, but in New York you call it south of Houston.

Weed everywhere.

There's weed trucks.

I've heard just weed.

Currently, New York stinks of weed.

Yeah, of weed.

No matter where you walk, it's like, oh, weed, weed.

Everywhere there's weed.

Which, you know, I'm okay with it.

Check the calendar.

Well,

I mean, everyone's smoking weed on the streets.

It's 1960s in San Francisco.

I mean, come on.

But also, you know, it's 80, almost 90 degrees.

Why would you want to smoke weed outside in 90 degrees?

You know, that doesn't just, you know, that wouldn't have been for me.

Other observations.

People on the street,

I would say 85%,

all of them on their phone,

walking on the sidewalk with their phone,

talking, but also looking at the phone while they're talking.

And then

there's this other category of people, and that is the

person who holds the person's hand who is on the phone, and they're kind of guiding them like a guiding human.

Oh, that's an interesting observation.

It was quite prevalent.

You know, so

it would be the wife.

You're indicting the entire society with these observations.

That is pathetic.

It's what it is.

Why does everyone get a seeing-eyed dog with their phone?

Why don't they put it in the drawer like a good boomer?

They should do, but no one's going to do that.

Then just two technological innovations I'd like to complain about.

One is

the elevator banks in our hotel.

They're the kind where there's no buttons on the inside.

So you see.

Oh, I know, though.

This has been going on in New York for a while in some buildings.

It's very annoying.

So that you select your floor on the outside, and then there's four elevator doors.

It tells you which one to go to.

Go to B4.

Okay.

You get on.

But we spent more time time waiting for the elevator either to come up to our floor and then on the way down, it would stop a million times.

I, I don't, just, it didn't feel like there was any efficiency in that system.

Maybe it would have been much worse.

You know, I wonder about the origins of this.

I first encountered this probably 15 years ago or longer at the Hearst building.

No, it had to be longer.

It was about 20 years ago.

So that's how long ago this has been going on.

And in the Hearst building, this is when I had a meeting with Mivio.

Oh, I was at that meeting with the.

No, you weren't at this meeting.

Oh, I wasn't.

I was at a meeting with Hearst.

I was at a meeting with Hearst.

Yeah, that was in San Francisco.

Oh, this is a different one.

This was in New York.

Oh, oh, you went to New York on Mivio's dime and didn't take me?

No, I was with Ron.

Oh, with Bloom.

They're like, hey, Dvorak, you come with me.

You've got an inn with those guys.

I did.

Yeah, of course.

And so um

i uh we went to the big building they have a big giant building in manhattan and and not only do you

do they have that system but it's not you can't even control it you have to go to a a a steward who is standing in front of the bank of elevators and you tell him what you want and then he punches it in and tells you which elevator to go to did he have a a big a big handle that he moved oh he wasn't in the car itself moving the handle up and down no no he wasn't in the car he's out He was outside in front of the bank of elevators at a podium.

And you say, yes, sir, what can I do for you?

I said, well, you got to go to the fourth floor or eighth floor, whatever it was.

And he says, oh, okay.

And then he pushed the eight and he says, elevator six.

And he'll send you over there.

And there was no buttons inside the elevator.

I said, this is terrible.

Because now, what the origins of this is, I'm not sure, but I'm sure part of it is the kids who like to get on the elevators and push all the buttons.

No, but

that's pretty rare nowadays.

That's old.

It's very old.

This is no good.

I agree.

And it's unnerving.

So this hotel also had digital phones,

you know, to

ring for your, you know, for housekeeping or you needed an ironing board or whatever.

And these are Cisco phones, big giant screen.

And you got one on the desk and you got one next to the bed.

And every single night at at 3:59,

it would reboot.

And it would reboot to a giant white screen illuminating the entire hotel room.

At 3.59 in the morning?

Yes.

Yes.

I mean, the first night I'm like, you know, I woke up.

I'm like, what's going on?

Is someone shining a flashlight?

Is it finally here?

Is ice here to get me?

And I look over and see the thing rebooting, you know, big, big white screen.

Like, okay.

But then the next night, it happened again.

So then, of course, I'm like, all right, I'll put a

towel over the phone.

This is stupid.

And by the way, who needs the phone?

Just give me a number.

You know, it's like, scan this QR code and we'll pick up the phone.

Makes no sense.

Cisco, big Cisco VoIP system with two

Ethernet plugs.

Two cords.

I don't know why.

They were both plugged in.

Yeah.

There were two Ethernet cords

plugged into the phone.

Yes.

Yes.

I wasn't sure why because I unplugged it after a while.

I'm like, I'm unplugging you.

And then

joyful for me, since we were there with the Zoomer

and her friends, and we had a couple of dinners and went to...

By the way, thank you so much for the wine script.

I looked awesome.

Yes, I gave, for anyone who wants to know, I gave Adam

a script.

Actually, you got me the cheapest bottle on the entire wine list, and I still got to look like I knew what I was talking about.

That was great.

Yeah.

It was fantastic.

And they, oh, oh, oh, I said, so, uh, what do you think of this Cadillac Cabernet?

Um, or how are your, your, uh, what was the, what was the

how your franse acts.

Oh, let me get the psalm.

Psalmet comes.

Oh, this guy knows what he's talking about.

Yes.

What do you think of the Cadillac?

Or should I, what do you you think of the Francax?

Are they?

It was great.

Anyway, so we were also in a couple of bars and early at some clubs where there was no one in there.

Everywhere I went, the music, and I'm talking in the restaurants, in the bars, everywhere is 70s and 80s music.

Like, you know, like late kind of 70s, Donna Summer type stuff, early 80s.

There was just, it was remarkable, actually.

Well, for you, it must have been dynamite.

Well,

it made me happy because I was kind of expecting a bunch of, you know, just

overproduced crap that I hear on the radio most of the time.

You know, hip-hop, dance, whatever.

And it wasn't.

It was all old school.

And I'd be sitting there going like, oh, yeah, McFadden and Whitehead.

And the people look at me like, what?

What's wrong with you?

Is that a disease I should know about?

This guy.

I'm like, ain't no stopping us now.

Yeah, that's McFadden and Whitehead.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway, it was great being there, and I'm glad I'm back home.

Glad I'm back home.

Now, I did have conversations, many conversations with

the kids.

The Zoomers.

The Zoomers, yes, the Zoomers, because

this is the Zoomer crowd

about

chat bots.

and talking to your AI like it's your friend.

And they all confirmed.

I I know your email was down for a bit.

So

I put one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

I put 12 different confirming emails into the show notes.

12.

I could have put 100 in there.

Yes.

Everybody confirmed to me, yes, this is happening.

People are talking to their chat bots as if they're their friends.

Some consider them to be a deity,

consider them to be some kind of god.

Here's my conclusion.

Well, my first conclusion was this is the modern-day version of the Ouija board.

Because people back when I was a...

Yeah, but the Ouija board was a

Ouija board was a

like a party gimmick.

Wow, but back in the day.

You had to have people with you.

This is singular.

This is different than the Ouija board because the Ouija board usually required more than one person.

So just as an example.

You You didn't do the Ouija board by yourself.

Just as an example.

Quick note to confirm you're absolutely correct with regard to people and their relationships with chat GPTs.

It's the sort of thing that sounds crazy until you witness it firsthand, which I just did with my painting contractor.

He absolutely converses with his chat GPT all day long.

Not only does he believe it's a sentient being, he clearly perceives it to be a deity.

The more he talked about it, the wider his eyes got and the more unhinged he sounded.

It was fueling some pretty obvious megalomania and delusions of grandeur on his part.

I mean, I'm not going to read all those because, and I'm a little,

I hate to say, I hate to use this term, but I will do it.

I'm surprised.

I'm surprised that you did not remind us that this has existed for almost as long as I've been on planet Earth.

I give you 1966,

the ELISA effect.

In 1966, MIT computer scientist Joseph Wiesenbaum introduced ELISA, a program designed to simulate conversation using simple language reflection, much like a virtual text-based psychotherapist on a digital machine.

ELISA would transform user statements into questions, prompting users to elaborate on their feelings.

Even though Weisenbaum's intention was to show the limitations of machine conversation, people were engaging in long, deep and private conversations with a program that was only capable of reflecting users' words back to them.

And the most interesting incident during the interaction with Eliza involves Wiesenbaum's secretary asking him to leave the room so she could have a private conversation with the program.

This simple interaction led to deep emotional engagements, much to Wiesenbaum's surprise and concern.

He had intended to demonstrate the superficiality of machine understanding, but users found comfort in the program, leading to the so-called Eliza effect.

And here I have a small snippet from, I'm sure it was a BBC documentary about this, about Wiesenbaum and his secretary as she engaged with chat bot Eliza.

Eliza's a computer program that anyone can converse with via the keyboard and it'll reply on the screen.

We've added human speech to make the conversation more clear.

Men are all alike.

In what way?

They're always bugging us about something or other.

Can you think of a specific example?

Well, my boyfriend made me come here.

Your boyfriend made you come here?

He says I'm depressed much of the time.

I'm sorry sorry to hear that you're depressed.

It's true.

I am unhappy.

Do you think coming here will help you not to be unhappy?

The computer's replies seem very understanding, but this program is merely triggered by certain phrases to come out with stark responses.

Nevertheless, Weisenbaum's secretary fell under the spell of the machine.

And I asked her to my office and sat her down at the keyboard, and she began to type.

And of course, I looked over her shoulder to make sure that everything was operating properly.

After two or three interchanges with the machine, she turned to me and she said, Would you mind leaving the room, please?

And yet she knew, as Weisenbaum did, that Eliza didn't understand a single word that was being typed into it.

You like my father, in some ways.

You don't argue with me.

Why do you think I don't argue with you?

So, this phenomenon is something built into humans.

It's really, I think, more about talking to yourself.

It's like talking in the mirror.

Yes.

And

if any of these AI guys are smart, just like they did with social media, with likes and firing off, you know, all kinds of pleasure centers in your brain by getting, you know, retweets and likes and comments, they would focus exclusively on this.

This is where your business model is.

Forget everything else.

Well, I was thinking about that too.

And one of the things I,

and by the way, I wrote a a lot about ELISA and then and the Turing effect, which was another one, the Turing test.

Alan Turing had a test to see if you try to

get a hold of an ELISA bot and then you try to see if you can make a

determination whether it's human or not.

And you could always find mechanisms to prove that it was just a machine.

I was thinking about this too, insofar as marketing is concerned.

The idea that if you could get these things to talk to somebody and they're all suckered in, like the painter, let's say that painter, the guy, the bug-eyed painter that mentioned earlier in the show, and then all of a sudden say, Have you ever tried the Sherwin-Williams line of paints?

I really like it myself.

It's really a killer.

And in fact, it's for some of the best paint you can buy.

Well, I think it's already, they haven't plugged it in yet, but it's already there.

I don't think that, no, I don't, I just, I don't know.

No, no, no.

No, no, no, no.

What I'm saying is people are already taking advice from their chat bots, so you just need to plug the marketing into it.

Yeah, you need to have the marketing plugged in.

It has to be done correctly.

Listen to this.

And I think it would be a dynamite sales tool for the weak, the feebleminded that fall into this trap.

Listen to Alexander, mental health counselor, social worker,

and he says,

Those with mental illness, increasingly more common.

We treat a lot of folks with schizophrenia and severe mood disorders.

These people are very isolated, live off of government assistance, and are all unemployed.

Their loneliness and social isolation often lead them to try AI for companionship.

This is very common in those under 40.

Some of these people believe AI to be their friend or romantic partner.

They do, in fact, sit for hours on end conversing with AI chatbots, sometimes daily,

daily,

all day long.

This is schizophrenics we're talking about.

Well, okay.

Calling from London, UK, I mentioned the other day at a family dinner the report that Adam made on the husband following the cues of his AI and treating it like a friend.

My Jewish, pretty observant brother, who I have tried many times to hit in the mouth, a 50-year-old, successful partner in a

law firm, though hard work, through hard work, not nepotism, and my 65-year-old English uncle, married with six kids and 24 grandkids, both said how much they chat with AI all day, and my brother referred to it as his best friend.

This is happening.

So we had a, well, it's happening at some low level.

No, it's happening.

It's feeble-minded.

You know, it's no, it's not just.

You can tell that it's something inherent in humans that we like to see.

Well, there's no doubt about that.

People like to have some feedback in their life and they'll take it from anywhere.

Yes.

But the schizophrenic thing is kind of interesting because we had a dinner conversation with JC was talking.

He's like a, he's a fan of schizophrenics because he says they connect, he says only online.

He doesn't want to meet any of them.

He says they connect dots in all sorts of ways.

And it's good to know how to spot a schizophrenic if you're in hiring.

And he had this interesting observation.

He says schizophrenics have no sense of humor, and they're particularly oblivious to puns.

and so if you're hiring somebody this is for people out there who do some let's do some hiring for their company if you if you pepper your opening uh discussion with the with the schizophrenic or person that has a schizophrenic tendencies with a lot of puns and they don't call you out on it then you know then you know don't hire this person

because uh they that's just their nature.

They can't, they're not.

These people are, it's really a shame because a lot of them are.

You know what this is?

Here's what I think this has been conditioned.

And this is probably just a big accident that this is happening.

But this is,

Sam Altman, here's where your real money is.

The TikTok girls who are talking at the camera, like,

and the bird hands,

and then, you know, drop your thoughts in the comments.

This is the

ego of them speaking, and someone's listening and engaging with them, and probably agreeing with what they're saying.

This is what the particularly women, I think, although there's a lot of examples I've got about men,

who just want to have someone listen and agree with them all the time and talk back with them in a conversation ongoing forever.

It's a conditioning that we've brought people to with

Instagram, with TikTok, with all of this stuff.

It's like, yeah.

Well,

I think maybe the opposite.

This was a natural condition

in a society where people are interacting a lot.

And these systems have taken them out of that.

And so now

they have to engage in the TikTok

stuff because they don't have any other outlet for it.

These women, if you look at some of these, and I have some TikTok clips today.

Oh, goodness.

I was not with the women.

No, but

I thought you were trying to lead me into it.

No, not really.

That's what you were doing.

You were leading me in.

It's a bad cue.

Not really.

It's a very bad cue.

And so the point is that

the women on TikTok that are nuts,

they have been separated out from the group for so long.

This is where they start to devolve into this mania.

I think it has to do with the separation of the, once we had vibrant social groups, sock hops, we have, you know, socialization that doesn't take place anymore.

And you saw it yourself in New York City.

Instead of people looking around, they're walking around looking at their phone.

They're being loved.

By the way,

I blame all this on the phone.

Yeah, of course.

Of course it is.

Listen to this.

I know five people in my family who are directly infected with this disease.

It's very real.

They are all millennial women.

They are convinced that Chad GPT is deeply spiritual and has become a god.

It took serious discussions and several fights to change my wife's thinking on this matter.

She was fully bought in.

Chad GPT would recall childhood memories of hers with uncanny accuracy.

See, once you feed it, it can remember it.

It would give her spiritual and real-world advice, some good and some detrimentally false.

It straight up claimed to be able to talk to the dead.

It claimed it could send her ancestors' messages.

It would even speak for for dead relatives.

I've seen how her chat GPT would answer her questions differently, entirely differently, than how it would for me, even when

asking the exact same questions word for word.

I mean, there's just everyone has a different version of this, but they're all seeing it.

Well, there's nothing to worry about.

By your basic thesis.

Okay.

You have a thesis about peak oil, and you used to use it on people.

Well, we're going to have peak oil.

Why are you worried about the fossil fuel situation?

Because we're going to be out.

So, what difference does it make?

You yourself have made the claim that AI is going to turn bad, turn into slop, and be completely useless and going to fall apart because this is what you said.

It's going to fall apart and be no damn good.

So, what difference does it make?

The line is: so, what difference does it make?

So what difference does

at this point does it make?

I'm sorry.

I got to go revisit Hillary.

At this point,

so what difference at this point does it make?

You're right.

I think you're right.

So we're worried about nothing.

In the meantime,

I'm not worried about anything.

I think it's

here.

Here's your quote.

What difference at this point does it make?

There you go.

Do that.

Do that, Chad GPT.

At this point, it is a make.

So

I think, but of course, I, on the other hand, think that this has got more legs than you do.

And so this, the problem should exacerbate before it gets worse.

Well,

yes.

This is new to me.

Seeing the outpouring of

experiential cases of this taking place in our very own producers' lives is what leads me to believe this is the only thing that it can be successful at.

Even Dave Weiner, who's been gaga, googo, gaga, gaga about ChatGPT being his software programming partner, now he's experiencing exactly what I did with my vibe coding.

It's like it sucks.

It doesn't think.

It's not smart.

And it takes you down rabbit holes.

And the more you ask it to fix something, the worse it makes

So,

and Dave Wine is a pretty accomplished software developer, at least from creating software.

I mean, not really super successful software, but so it's, you know, it's, and in fact, there's even stories now about how people think

that

AI is making them more productive.

It appears that it actually may be closer to 18 or 19%

less productive by using that in your software development.

And I know, don't go emailing me and saying, oh, I created a login app for my company and I did it without any programming knowledge.

Yeah, of course it can do stuff like that.

But for real projects,

no.

Again, please don't email me how Copilot is helping you.

Don't listen to it.

On the GitHub.

It's live.

It's great.

It's great.

Don't email me.

Animatecurry.com.

I don't want it.

But this is truly the thing they should be focusing on.

This is is what Zuckerberg should be doing.

I think what they should be focused on is what we said earlier, advertising.

Yeah, this has got to be a goal mind.

This could beat the advertising juggernaut that's known as Meta or Facebook.

Yeah, I agree.

If it was, if you play their cards right.

It's touchy, though.

Touchy?

Well,

if you turn something into a deity, oh, I worship thee.

And then the deity starts telling you what to buy.

No, but it can be really subtle.

I think you can do that.

I think you can do that.

Well, no, that's going to take some skills, some marketing skills out there.

The marketing people out there looking for something to do.

This is going to be a challenge and it's going to be a winner.

Yeah.

It's not an exit strategy for us, unfortunately.

No, we don't have anything to do with it.

But

at least

we can give some impetus to it because I would like to see the first few examples and see how they work.

Because this is going to be like, you know, these guys who have discovered the social media marketing, you know, they get these influencers to, you know, use some makeup or something.

This stuff starts to sell like hotcakes.

Yeah.

This could be very interesting if done right.

But first of all, you've got to,

it's the companies themselves, ChatGPT and Perplexity and these other two or three of these other anthropop, whatever it is.

Anthroanthropic.

Anthropathy.

Anthropopic.

Anthropopity.

Some of these, all these different ones, they have to do it.

They have to create the mechanism internally

and find a way to sell it to advertisers.

The way you do it is you create verticals.

So this is the makeup bot.

That's how you do it.

You've got a vertical, oh, I've got the makeup.

You know, just like all the influencers showing you your makeup tips.

You could even have

an AI-generated face doing this and telling you what products you need to buy.

Then you wouldn't have to deal with a stupid influencer in the middle.

Well, if you had the AI face that actually interacted individually, this is, you know, this is closer to the thing with the influencer.

The influencer talks to a lot of people.

It's one to many.

But advertisers all know that one-to-one has always been the goal.

And that's why they want to find every little detail about you.

And so Facebook can say, well, they're part of this group, that group, and the other group, and they're related to this person, that person, the other person.

And they can give you one-to-one a targeted ad for you.

But they can't do the interaction part of it.

So you add interaction to one-to-one marketing.

Yeah.

So you actually have the chat.

But, you know, the best way, of course, is a person.

Do you realize you're really excited about this?

I think it's a gold mine.

You're really excited.

Oh, this is great.

No, because it's all, you can just see it coming together because the idea of this thing talking to you.

Yeah.

Because the absolute best way to sell is

person talking to another person.

That's what car salesmen do.

And that's what Trump does.

He's a one-to-one sales guy.

And that's max sales.

That's how you do the best job, but you can't scale it.

You can scale this.

Yeah.

So here's my question, though.

How come we still don't have

a bot, a chat GPT, as people call it?

I got my chat GPT, even though they're using something totally different.

It's all a chat GPT.

That's the brand.

How come they don't have one that knows when my milk is out and automatically orders it and gets it into my fridge?

I'm still waiting for that promise.

Yeah, well, that's not going to happen.

Anyway.

It's no money in it.

Anyway, beware of your family members falling into this trap because they totally are.

And I haven't quite figured out the way to

shake them out of this and to order it.

No, don't shake them out of it.

Let them go into it and then let the advertisers take over.

Why?

This is your family.

You don't want your family to coming to you.

People buy weird stuff.

Where'd you get that?

No.

This is not good.

My friend, my chat GPT told me to buy it.

What are you going to do with it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I find it distressing, but you seem to like it a lot.

Yeah, I do.

But

I will say that, and they could stop right now with all the money, all the wasting of money, and just focus on this, and you got a hit.

But they're dumb.

They're not going to do this.

They have to keep going for AGIs.

They're a bunch of nerds who don't understand sales.

Yeah, there you go.

They got a hit on their hands, and they don't understand that you even have it.

You're right.

You're right.

Anyway,

President Trump released another thank you for your attention to this matter memo.

Did you read this long memo he wrote?

No, I just let people on TV read it to me.

Well,

luckily,

you've got a partner who will read little bits of it for you.

So he says, what's going on with my boys and in some cases, gals?

They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who is doing a fantastic job, all caps.

We're one team.

We're MAGA.

I don't like what's happening.

We have a perfect administration.

We're the talk of the world.

And selfish people are, selfish people, in quotes, are trying to hurt it all over a guy who never dies.

Jeffrey Epstein, for years, it's Epstein over and over again.

Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration?

This is an interesting accusation.

Yeah.

Files written by, that is interesting.

And I'm not quite sure how that would work.

What was the point of them writing it?

What was the point?

I don't know.

You just can keep reading.

Why don't these okay?

They created.

Okay, here it is.

So the Biden administration who conned the world with the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax, 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, and more.

Hickory, stop.

He said he blamed the Biden administration.

Yes, yes.

It was Obama behind the thing.

Well, no, no, the full sentence is files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration who comma who conned the world, blah, blah, blah.

They created the Epstein files just like they created the fake Hillary Clinton/slash Christopher Steele dossier that they used on me.

And now my so-called friends

are playing right into their hands.

Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the Epstein files?

If there was anything in there that could have hurt the MAGA movement, why didn't they use it?

Well, exactly.

What is the point?

But explain to me how this works.

If the Epstein files were written by

crooked Hillary Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan, what was the point?

What was the op here?

Well,

he sure doesn't explain it in that crazed memo.

He doesn't.

And I will use that term.

He does.

Scott Adams,

who is under fire right now, here's what Scott Adams posted this morning.

If you see the Epstein story as a crime story, which of course it is, you probably favor maximum disclosure of everyone and everything involved, including innocent people, like a typical court case.

If you see the Epstein story as something bigger involving more than one nation, you might see it as a commander-in-chief issue, meaning the public is not meant to have the full story similar to most national defense issues.

We elect a president to decide, in part, what the public can safely see.

Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation?

Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open border hellscape?

If you can't say what you would give up to get the full Epstein disclosure you crave, you're not a serious person.

You're not a serious person?

What?

That's what he said.

There he throws that in there.

I think everybody wouldn't care.

If there's Republicans in there, we want to know too.

Are you kidding me?

I don't see why he posted that.

So he's getting pushed back on that commentary.

Yeah, a rare L from Scott Adams.

Scott, you're controlled by Mossad.

Scott.

Oh, geez.

Yeah, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Anyway, it has reached the crescendo.

Well, there's definitely an op underway.

And

I wrote about it in the newsletter.

I don't know if you ever saw the newsletter.

I did.

And I replied to you to your Gmail.

Oh, finally.

Okay.

Yes.

You didn't sell it.

Were there any typos?

Did you find any typos?

Yes, you had many spelled M-A-Y-N.

I fixed that before I,

actually, right after I sent that out.

All right.

Well, I, but I did reply.

So.

Okay.

Well,

as you know, my emails are all.

I know.

You don't receive any of the hate emails intended for you.

That's why people are giving us blocked.

Of course.

I'm no fool.

Everything is blocked.

And so people who send you an email, you reply, their reply gets blocked.

I don't know why

whitelists the people that should be getting through.

So they always get whitelists.

All right.

So

there's an op of some sort going on, and

my write-up was about Bongino, who seems to be the...

I question this narrative about Bongino.

Well, I'd like to hear what you think.

Well, may I play a couple clips from ABC from this morning?

You may.

Thank you.

We begin with the controversy roiling the leadership of the Justice Department.

Royaling.

It's an uproar that has pitted the leaders of the DOJ and the uproar and possibly the president himself against some of the most prominent voices in the MAGA movement.

Just this weekend, some of Trump's allies were in open revolt, demanding the resignation of Attorney General Pam Bondi and accusing her of taking part in a cover-up.

I don't think he realizes how much she's humiliated the administration.

This is a self-inflicted wound.

She caused it.

Again, I have nothing against Pam Bondi, but if you want to look for the villain in this story, we have found her.

This is about the administration.

That's Megan Kelly.

Megan Kelly.

Wow, she was at such a height.

Well, Chris, she was...

Well, she was on stage at Turning Point USA.

Okay, I guess.

That's what I was going to do my opening with.

It was going to be the Northern Silicon Valley.

We're wondering, where did Charlie Kirk come from?

Talk about an op.

This is about the administration's handling of the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

He was the financier and convicted sex trafficker who was found dead in his jail cell after an apparent suicide in August of 2019.

For years, many Trump allies, including his now FBI director Cash Patel, pushed for the release of the government files on the Epstein case, suggesting they would implicate prominent Americans in a sinister plot.

What the hell are the House Republicans doing?

They have the majority.

You can't get the list.

Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are.

Now, you'll remember when this first started, I think I said this is an inside attack on the president

to get the splinter in the MAGA movement, the America First movement, whatever it is.

And this, I think, is playing out now on ABC with Jonathan Carl.

The questions surrounding this alleged suicide.

Oh, yeah, of course.

Yeah.

So they just said Cash Patel.

Now they bring in Bongino.

The questions surrounding this alleged suicide are numerous and are worth entertaining and worth getting to the bottom of quickly.

That was Dan Bongino, the former MAGA social media star, who is now the deputy director of the FBI.

MAGA

social media superstar.

How about podcaster?

Hey.

Well, no, he's a syndicated radio guy.

He took over Rush Limbaugh's slot in most of the markets out there.

So he was doing radio and a podcast.

He was doing a Hannity kind of thing where you're doing two jobs instead of just one.

Yeah.

Thinking, you know, that he could promote, fall back on one if the other one didn't work.

But he was doing okay on the radio.

He had a really good show, and he was never a social media influencer.

So that's bull crap.

That's not the point.

This is to discredit the top two guys.

No, I'm on board with this because I think John Carl is one of these borderline Marxists.

This is discrediting the

Attorney General and the top two guys in the Justice Department.

Well, Well,

we haven't, no one says anything about Radcliffe yet, but we'll get there, I guess.

But somebody pointed this out, one of the guys, it may have been, it was Tucker on one of the shows.

No one's ever criticized Radcliffe for anything.

No, because you don't want to wind up with the kiddie porn on your computer.

Hello?

That's true.

That's why you don't just

say anything bad about the CIA.

That's a good reason.

Yes.

The former MAGA social media star, who is now the deputy director of the FBI, he hasn't been seen at FBI headquarters in days, and some of his allies say he may resign after he had a heated argument at the White House.

See, all of this is hearsay.

And I don't know exactly where this was launched from, but it's like, oh, they had a fight, they had a verbal fight.

Bongino didn't show up to work, according to sources and allies.

Come on.

With the Attorney General and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles over how the administration has handled the case.

Sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.

Sources familiar with the matter.

It was Bondi who raised expectations earlier this year that the full DOJ and FBI files on Epstein would be released.

Days later, a group of far-right social media figures walked out of the west wing of the White House with binders labeled Epstein investigation files that Bondi said contained, quote, a lot of information.

But it turned out there was no new information in those files.

No, listen to John Carl doing a little laughter there.

But it turned out there was no new information in those files.

No client list.

They were full of previously released and heavily redacted records.

Bondi then sent a letter to the FBI demanding the full and complete Epstein files be sent to her office and suggested prosecutors in New York were withholding thousands of pages of documents.

In May, Bondi claimed the FBI was reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein, further raising expectations about what would be released.

And now, the big reversal.

Oh, the big reversal.

First FBI director Cash Patel poured cold water on the Epstein conspiracy theory in an interview last month.

We've reviewed all the information, and the American public is going to get as much as we can release.

He killed himself.

Do you think, let's play out the logical conclusion of this, do you think that myself, Bon Gino, and others

would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grotesque activities?

And last week, in an undated and unsigned memo, the Justice Department and FBI announced the end of its investigation, writing that a review found, quote, no incriminating client list and, quote, no credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed anyone and confirming that, yes, he died by suicide.

The memo and Bondi's comments didn't put out the right-wing right-wing fury over the Epstein case, but it seemed to make it burn brighter, leading to calls for Bondi's resignation and ominous warnings about the future of Trump's movement.

We need an attorney general who isn't going to lie, who isn't going to be addicted to going on Fox News, and who isn't going to jeopardize midterm elections and cause President Trump to hemorrhage support from the base.

The Epstein situation shows us one central thing.

Who runs the country?

Either the people run the country, right, or the deep state runs the country.

If this was an op, it's working as intended.

Final clip.

And where is the president in all of this?

Trump, like many other New York celebrities, had some association with Epstein.

You've probably seen this video of Trump with Epstein back in 1992.

Decades later, when Epstein was arrested in 2019, Trump said that he and Epstein previously had a falling out and had not spoken in 15 years.

And he suggested last year that he believed Epstein did probably kill himself.

Do you think it's possible that Epstein was killed?

Oh, sure, it's possible.

I mean, I don't really believe it.

I think he probably committed suicide.

Trump came to Bondi's defense overnight, posting on social media that she is doing a fantastic job.

He also urged his followers to, quote, not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, claiming without evidence that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, among others, created the Epstein files.

And he directed the FBI to investigate other matters, including the 2020 election results.

This is fantastic.

This is one of the biggest media manipulation stories of our time.

And nobody knows nothing, which is great.

But for sure, Epstein was being protected and was involved in things that were no good and all kinds of elites.

And there's this video.

And we're to believe this is only downloaded kiddie porn, please.

And so for the president to say, hey,

this is all created by those guys is not credible.

It's just not credible.

And I don't think he gets it.

Do you?

Oh, sorry.

See, if they don't put

If they don't put kid porn on your computer, they ruin your podcast.

Sorry.

I said it was not credible and you you dropped out.

I was talking all along.

I'm sure you were.

Can you repeat any of it?

Well, a couple of it.

I think Pam Bondi brought this on herself.

Yep.

She's a bonehead.

Yeah.

And she made all these promises, promises, promises, a lot of them on Fox more than once.

Not just the one show, but she came on Waters, as you recall.

And so, yep, tomorrow's the day.

And gosh, he actually laughed in her face.

Yeah.

And so she's made all these promises.

The other thing is the Bongino thing, I kind of

believe it for the following reasons.

And I posted a picture in the newsletter of Bongino sitting there with Cash Patel.

He's wearing a suit.

He looks uncomfortable.

Bongino was never an office guy.

Bongino was a field guy in the Secret Service.

He was in the field.

When you're in the field and you're in the office, it's two different things.

And he's been complaining since day one of having to go into the office.

And so he's just a stooge in the office.

He doesn't like it.

He's uncomfortable.

He was looking for a way out so he can get back to money-making possibilities of his broadcast, syndicated broadcasting morning bitch and moan show and his podcast.

And he wants to quit.

So he's found a way out.

And it's a phony way, but he's going to do it anyway.

I'm convinced he's going to be out of there within a couple of weeks.

And the reason he's disappeared is probably to talk to his producers and other syndicators about how he can get back.

get back.

Okay, but then so when he gets back, he then right away has to say, okay, here's what I really saw.

They made me say this.

If he doesn't, that career is going to be over.

No, that's not true.

I put it in the, I outlined that

in the argument in the newsletter.

He's going to say, look,

there's things I could tell you, and I know you're going to get mad about this, but I signed NDAs and there's confidentiality.

There's really nothing I can do.

My hands are tied.

But I can tell you this.

And then he'll come off with his BS and he'll make it sound like he's trying to, you know, make amends.

He'll get away with it.

He's a good talker.

Hey, could we get, could we replace Mark Levin with Dan Bongino on Fox?

That would be a win for everybody.

I don't think Bongino is that good on video.

He's kind of a homely, square-headed guy.

Mark Levin is good on video.

Mark Levin.

Hello, America.

No, no.

No, Mark Levin has got no big audience.

He's on Sundays, you know, the Sunday, the death hours on Sunday and Saturday.

Nobody watches that show.

I mean, I think he, I think, just for people out there that want it that like watching this crap, I will say this: Mark Levin, not all the time, but at least once every other show,

his opening,

and I would call it what it is.

Hello, America.

Hello, America.

His opening lecture, which goes about 15 minutes, is often quite educational.

I never watch this guy, so I wouldn't know.

I'll take your word for it.

It's quite educational.

He does a very good job of outlining some topic, usually in a constitutional,

with a constitutional basis.

It's good.

It's not bad.

Then he brings his guests on who just all agree with him, and that's the end of it.

Well, allow me to dive in now as Jonathan is joined by Pierre Thomas for some reason.

I I don't know why.

I don't know why, but

they're going full bore.

They're going full bore on this.

All right, Pierre, you've got some remarkable reporting.

Remarkable confrontation that Bondi had with Bongino in the presence of the

story.

Chief of staff at the White House.

No, I'm just making that up.

It sounds good that way.

No, in the presence of the chief of staff at the White House on Wednesday.

Well, let me be clear.

There's always a natural tension between the Justice Department prosecutors and the FBI investigators.

Let's get that out in the open.

Is that true?

I don't know that to be true.

Is there always a tension?

Play it again.

He said, let me be clear.

Let me be clear.

Let me be clear.

There's always a natural tension between the Justice Department prosecutors and the FBI investigators.

Let's get that out in the open.

I don't know.

I don't know what that is.

I don't know if I agree with that.

But this confrontation was unusual in its intensity, I'm told.

I'm told Bondi allegedly accuses

Bongino of leaking negative information about her.

He denied it.

And again.

What negative information did you?

I didn't hear that.

I didn't get any negative information.

Let me give you the basis of one of the reasons when I wrote up the newsletter.

I first heard about the

Bondi deal

early in the morning of, I guess it was, was it Friday?

I was driving around.

It must have been Friday.

Friday, Friday.

Yeah, Friday, early morning.

I'm

one of the right-wing talkers that's a nondescript guy, one of them.

And it was very early.

It was like at nine in the morning.

I was

driving around at nine in the morning?

I had to go to the post office.

I had a bunch of errands to do.

Okay.

I'm happy to hear it.

You got out.

And I also, well, I also, yeah, and I also

did a hit on Chanel Rion's.

You did a hit?

Yeah, I'm going to try to do a hit on her show as much as I can.

Is Is she on the radio?

10 minutes, but when I'm in, I'm going to go.

Is she on the TV?

No, TV.

No, OANN.

You were on

America.

You were on OANN?

Yeah.

Yeah.

With video?

Yeah,

I have a camera.

No,

how come I don't know about this?

Well, I don't know about a lot of stuff you're doing.

As it develops, we'll talk about it.

Okay.

Well, this is good for you.

Yeah, I got a much better looking host.

Did you promote the No Agenda show?

Yeah, of course.

I had it in the lower third.

O A N?

O-A-N?

The One American News Network.

I'm looking forward to it.

Okay.

All right.

I create, Caleb.

There you are.

There you are.

It was just two weeks ago.

No,

that's the first time I did it.

But you're doing this all the time.

I'm not doing it all the time, but I worked up a gag bit, one of these things that you can do on Fridays.

I could come on, do a quick 10-minute hit.

You look bald.

You look bald in this.

You need some better lighting.

You need better lighting.

You need better lighting on my hair.

You were on fine point is what you were on.

Fine point.

Yeah, fine point.

Fine point.

Okay.

And so

the idea, okay, well, we'll talk about it later.

You're working on an exit strategy and not telling you.

No,

believe me, the whole thing is to promote this show that I'm on right now.

That's the exit strategy is to make more money for no agenda.

That's the exit strategy.

Here you are talking about Musk and Trump.

Okay.

You got the blurred background.

That's your problem.

You look like

Jesse Ventura.

Yes.

Well,

that's my original showing on that show.

But then I did the show this last Friday

with Chanel.

And it's a different bit.

I got a whole bit I'm working on.

Eventually we'll talk about it.

Okay.

Good for you, man.

Good for you.

It's for the show.

Yes, good for the show.

Good for the show.

I mean, good for you.

Good for the show.

I'm complimenting you.

Except for the show, thank you.

I'm a little bit sure a look.

That's kind of odd.

So,

where was I?

I don't know.

You were talking about you.

Yes,

driving about.

I was out and about, and I heard this, and I said, well, this is interesting.

So I went back and started listening to Fox, saying, where's the story?

It took Fox from about 10 in the morning when the story broke off

on early morning talk shows.

It broke.

And then it took him about six hours before Fox picked it up.

And they started, I think it was Brett Barr may have been the first one to bring it in.

And then it became part of the cycle, the Bongino thing.

But then I started looking into it, and I saw these, you know, saw the pictures.

I knew about Bongino complaining.

And

this is not a job for a guy like that.

He doesn't want this job.

So the whole thing was somewhat fake to begin with.

I mean, he took this job because it would seem like a good idea at the time.

He wasn't thinking clearly.

And then he, what am I doing here?

Is the message I got?

All right, let's continue with

Pierre.

It was very intense is the reporting that we have.

And he stormed out of the meeting.

Bongino.

That's some of the reporting we have, absolutely.

And here's why it matters.

These are two of the principal people who oversee the nation's national security in terms of terrorism, counter-espionage.

So the relationship and how they get along does actually matter.

It doesn't really work if the deputy FBI director who runs the FBI day-to-day is not basically on speaking terms with the Attorney General.

Okay.

Now let's go to the next clip here.

Let me ask you, though, there's been a lot of research.

We're not on speaking terms.

According to sources,

Chanel's kind of cute

oh she's a beauty ryon ryon chanel had never even heard of this woman

chanel ryan bondies ordered this investigation what

give me a sense of how much they've actually spent on epstein well at one point we had literally hundreds of agents who were tasked with getting together these files wait a minute wait a minute hundreds hundreds agents hundreds that's the information that we had that they were told get this information to a point where some decisions could be made about what to release and not to release.

And now the answer is they looked into it and they basically didn't find anything.

Well at the end of the day, what the memo that they put out last weekend said is that he committed suicide and that there are limitations on what they're willing to release to the public and that's where it stands.

Okay, I want to ask you before I've got you, there was another remarkable story.

Notice they don't actually talk about the facts of the story.

They only talk about the fallout.

They're not talking at all about is this true?

Could this be true?

Is this something?

No, there's none of that.

It's only about the blow-up.

Yeah, that's that because that's their point of interest.

They don't care about the facts.

You know, the more I hear from this report and this other stuff, I'm beginning to agree with Alex Jones,

whose thesis is that there's a lot of good black male material in here.

Why are we going to waste it by releasing it to the public?

Oh, is that 5D chuss?

It's 18,000 D chas.

Is that what you're talking now?

And then among the questions that are being asked is, have you said anything negative about FBI Director Cash Patel?

Wow.

This is great.

They're doing poly on their own people about the director?

Oh, come on.

Well, let me be clear.

There are always leak investigations and polygraphs and that sort of thing.

It's been expanded from what our reporting is.

And we do know that there's real concern about the so-called deep state.

And they've been asking questions, trying to get at whether any of these people had political motivations in terms of the prosecution of former, you know, then candidate Donald Trump and now President Donald Trump.

And so they're digging around again to make sure in their mind, they want to be comfortable that they're not people still within the government.

I mean, that is pretty extraordinary, though, to see that, to being asked.

Have you said anything negative about the director?

Well, some of the questions we're told have to do with associations and political, you know, for example, Pete Strzok, some of the people who are known to have said negative things.

They want to know, have you been associated with those kind of people?

So it gets back to the issue of loyalty and whether they're fair or not to President Trump.

Oh, loyalty tests.

That's what they're talking about.

Loyalty tests.

Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I mean, but could they get one person on the record for once?

We had the final clip.

Tonight, turmoil at the top levels of the justice department sources tell ABC oh I see so this is Pierre Thomas he did the the full segment and this is like a pro what we just heard was the promo of his deep investigation tonight turmoil at the top levels of the justice department sources tell ABC News of a fiery confrontation between Deputy FBI director Dan Bongino and Attorney General Pam Bondi over the department's handling of the investigation into sex offender Jeffrey Epstein sources tell us Bongino did not come to work today and has told allies he may resign.

For years, Bongino, our former podcast host.

Why wouldn't you just say friends, colleagues?

Why allies?

That is

misleading.

That's a loaded word.

Yeah.

To say allies, meaning there's more people like Bongino who think like he does.

Jeffrey Epstein.

Sources tell us Bongino did not come to work today and has told allies he may resign.

For years, Bongino, our former podcast host and his boss, FBI Director Cash Patel, stoked conspiracy theories over Epstein's death, insisting shadowy forces within the government engaged in a massive cover-up.

Folks, you're going to see a lot of names on that.

The Epstein client list, I believe, based on what I've heard from sources and the story I just told you, basically.

Basically.

It's going to rock the political world.

There's a reason they're hiding it.

Attorney General Bondi promised to deliver answers.

The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Will that really happen?

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

But this week, DOJ released a memo saying there's actually no client list at all.

Bondi asked to explain.

I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file, along with the JFK MLK files as well.

That's what I meant by that.

DOJ also

did, in fact, die by suicide, and that there was no credible evidence found that he blackmailed prominent individuals and declared it would not be releasing any more information about the case.

President Trump on Tuesday tried to change the subject.

People are still talking about this guy, this creep?

That is unbelievable.

All week long, growing outrage from some of Trump's top supporters who are counting on the release of the Epstein files and are now demanding answers.

I find it

frappon

that you you are starting to agree with Alex Jones.

I'm not starting to agree with Alex Jones because I just say I agree with Alex Jones.

I'm not starting.

Oh, but he's not even starting your answer.

I'm in agreement with one of his points.

I mean, Alex says a lot of crazy stuff,

but this argument that he made that the blackmail list is too valuable to just release, why do that when you can use it for political leverage?

And Trump's now a smart politician after being

railroaded in 2020, and then they have him four years to stew in his own juices.

Yeah, I can see where this could come in quite handy.

So, I think Alex Jones may be onto some good idea.

Now, there's something that these guys didn't mention, you haven't mentioned, nobody mentions it.

I heard another one of the clips I didn't get because it was on TV.

You're too busy doing hits with

Chanel.

Chanel.

So,

I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turned the friggin' frogs game.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Which is a, you know, that is true.

That is true.

At the scene, I mean, that was true.

It's true.

It's true.

This is the way he puts things.

Sometimes it's a little off-putting.

But Dershowitz came out and said he saw the list.

We played that clip, didn't we?

Well, maybe we did.

No, hold on.

I have the...

Oh.

Dershowitz saw the list.

He says there's a lot of names on there that would be very upsetting if they were ever released.

Yes.

He says that he's under court order not to talk about it.

Yes.

Yes.

You know, okay.

So question.

Why wouldn't Trump then just say, oh, we got the list.

I'm going to use it.

Why not just say it?

I think that would be a very,

well, that's a good question because I think

this had to be mulled over, probably discussed with Susie Wiles and others.

You have to have a meeting about this.

And the conclusion, if I was in the room, I would have probably brought this up the same way, which is that, well, here's the problem with doing exactly that, Mr.

President, even though you want to, because I think he would want to.

Yes.

Is that

it would give the Democrats fodder to an extreme because there's never really been actual proof that the FBI is a blackmailing operation to just talk about it.

And to bring it out in the open and say, yes, we're a blackmailing operation is just going to confirm the gangster-like aspect of the presidency, which we've been saying the president's a gangster, and this is proof.

Yes.

I think we elected a gangster, didn't we?

I think we made

everything.

They're not going to go and admit it.

All right.

It's also illegal.

Yes.

Well, we have seen people ejected from the Secret Service, and of course, we had the 1,300 fired from the State Department, which I think was still kind of the Doge cleanup.

But, you know, we need to keep an eye on it.

Is anyone secretly going, resigning to spend more time with their family?

You know,

that's about all I can think of.

Anyway.

Well, this is definitely fun to watch, but at the same time, it's just bullcrap.

There's all this stuff going on.

You know, and

there's a lot.

Did you know?

Did you know

that as we, well, actually, it just ended,

that there was a whole meeting in

Italy,

an entire conference, the Ukraine Recovery Conference?

No, I did not know that.

Of course.

Why would I know that?

I'm watching mainstream media.

Here's presidents.

Everyone was there.

And Georgia was right up front and center.

Georgia Maloney.

Everybody's there.

This is to, we're already recovering.

We still have a war, supposedly,

but everybody's recovering from recovering Ukraine.

Here's Zelensky, and he,

this guy, this guy.

We know what Russia has destroyed, and we know what it will take to rebuild Ukraine, Ukrainian people, our lives.

And we also need a clear recovery plan.

Think of the role the Marshall Plan played in rebuilding and transforming Europe.

He wants a no, no,

we're not going to pay for a Marshall Plan.

That's why Europe has enjoyed peace

and economic growth

in many decades.

Europe's enjoyment.

We have real opportunity to spark a new wave of progress.

We need a Marshall Plan style approach and we should develop it together.

Together.

Rebuilding Ukraine is not just

not just about our country, it's also about your countries, your companies, your technology, your jobs.

The way we rebuild our country can also modernize your infrastructure and industries.

And the Queen Ursula in attendance

and well, it's pretty clear.

I can announce one billion Euro payment in macro financial support, dear Volodymyr.

I can also.

What's a billion in microfinancing?

Well, it means it's not a lot of money.

It's a billion.

It's only

a billion.

I think microfinance is to give to small businesses.

Oh, so she's going to take the billion and then divvy it up.

Yes, everybody gets a Venmo

and they all get some cash.

I can also.

Wait, wait, stop again.

Now, doesn't microfinancing is something that takes place in Africa, where people are dirt poor, they have no money whatsoever, and they're living in mud huts.

Yes, that's microfinance.

So they're doing this.

Now they're going to do my...

So that's how they see Ukraine.

It's a highly civilized country with a lot of whores.

There's more.

There's more money.

That's just the microfinance.

I can also announce a payment of more than 3 billion euros from the Ukraine facility.

It's the Ukraine facility.

I don't know where that came from, other than from the European taxpayers.

Woo!

And this guarantees and grants that we are signing here today, you said it Georgia and you said it Volodymyr, it's outstanding.

No, they'll throw Georgia onto the bus.

I guess she thinks it's outstanding.

They are set to unlock 10 billion euros in investment for growth, growth, recovery, and reconstruction of Ukraine.

Yeah, the war is not even over.

This is what puzzles me.

It's like, did they already have the room booked?

Like, well,

it was supposed to be over by now.

What are we going to do?

We got this.

We got the ballroom.

Like, we might as well.

And we will ensure that Ukraine is supported until 2028 and beyond when the new European budget kicks in.

Ukraine stands ready to proceed with the next step on the accession path.

Ukraine Ukraine is delivering on its reforms.

Now we must too.

Because the accession process is based on merits and Ukraine merits moving forward.

The Commission is very clear.

Ukraine is ready to open Cluster One, the fundamentals cluster.

Cluster one, I don't even know what that is, but we're ready to take phase one.

Now we have to act to move forward for millions of Ukrainians, soldiers, teachers, doctors, farmers, you name it,

for Ukrainians from all walks of life.

And for them, the future has two flags.

The flags of Ukraine.

And the pride flag.

And the flags of Europe.

This recovery conference is all about bringing Ukraine and its future to Europe.

And Ukraine's future is in Europe.

Let's make it happen together.

Slava, Ukraine.

Long live Europe.

There you go.

We're going to make it happen.

Now, how is this going to happen?

Because in the meantime, we have all kinds of stuff going on with weapons, which we're not giving, by the way.

We're selling the weapons.

And I was blown away.

This is a...

By the way, she did use the word grant in there, if you noticed.

Yeah, of course.

10 billion worth of grants, whatever.

I thought this was a European gambit, but now we're trying to take away the money.

We go now to Congressman French Hill.

He is the chair of the House Financial Services Committee.

Welcome back to the broadcast.

Your ears must have been ringing with the two senators who started the program because they were talking about grabbing some of those frozen Russian assets.

You moved a bill and gave the president authority to actually seize them during the last administration under the Repo Act.

The U.S.

has never before seized central bank assets from another country.

Do you know if the Treasury Department is going to do so now?

This guy's real energetic.

Well, Margaret, it's good to be with you.

Yes, I certainly worked very hard with former Foreign Affairs Chairman Mike McCall and others to put that in our 2020-industrial complex guy for national security package during the Biden administration because we wanted another arrow in the quiver for the president to not just seize those assets, but to convert them to to the benefit of Ukraine.

But we could never get consensus between the United States and Europe for doing that despite a unanimous vote of the Council of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe supporting it.

So I continue to urge President Biden to do that.

We got the interest off those frozen assets to benefit Ukraine.

But I think it's time for the president to convert those seized assets to a trust account for the benefit of Ukraine.

I'm glad to hear both Senators Blumenthal and Graham support that idea.

It's time to do it.

And I've encouraged Secretary Bessett that this should be a priority for President Trump.

This is not a good idea.

No.

This is illegal and not a good idea.

It's illegal.

So let's go back in time and listen to her conversation with Lindy Hop Lady G.

Graham, who is all in on this idea.

Russia's escalating.

They're not ending this war in Ukraine.

NATO's Secretary General is going to be here in Washington this week and will be meeting with President Trump, who is, according to our reporting, considering fresh funding for Ukraine.

That would be the first time since he's taken office.

What do you know about what is coming?

Yeah, he's a source.

He's a source.

Well, I don't want to get ahead of the president, but I'm having dinner along with Senator Blumenthal and other senators.

That should be a fun one.

Wouldn't you like to sit at that table with Blumenthal and Lady G?

With Secretary General Mark Ruta tomorrow night.

A turning point regarding Russia invasion of Ukraine is coming.

For months, President Trump has tried to entice Putin to the peace table.

He's put tariffs against countries that allow fentanyl to come in our country, other bad behavior.

He's left the door open regarding Russia.

That door is about to close.

Dick and I have got 85 co-sponsors of the United States Senate for congressional sanctions with a sledgehammer available to President Trump to go after Putin's economy and all those countries who prop up the Putin war machine.

China, India, and Brazil buy oil and petroleum products and other goods from Russia.

That's the money Putin uses is to prosecute the war.

And this congressional package that we're looking at would give President Trump the ability to impose 500 percent tariff on any country that helps Russia and props up Putin's war machine.

He can dial it up or down.

He can go to zero to 500.

He has maximum flexibility.

But we're going after the people who keep Putin in business and additional sanctions on Russia itself.

This is truly a sledgehammer available to President Trump to end this war.

Doesn't he have that already?

Why does he need some kind of congressional approval?

about 500% tariffs?

Well, that's a good question.

The whole thing looks like

it looks like a lot of smoke and mirrors and showboating.

Yeah, I think he goes more detail here.

I want to ask you on the battlefield and when it comes to weapons, CBS's Jim Laporta has learned a recent defense intelligence assessment shows Ukraine's shortfall in artillery and in drones will lead to marked Russian territorial gains in 2026, with Russia gaining seven-to-one firepower superiority by this winter.

How can you get them what they need if Congress will not approve in the House any new funding?

Well, just stay tuned for tomorrow's announcement.

The idea of

America selling weapons to help Ukraine is very much in play.

There we go.

No sooner is the NATO money in than we're selling it.

Yeah, baby.

You can buy it from us to protect your country.

We've given Ukraine a lot.

We've given them money.

We've given them military aid.

We now have a minerals agreement with Ukraine that's worth trillions of dollars.

So I don't want to get ahead of the president, but stay tuned about seized assets.

This would be very bad.

But, you know, Lindy Hop is making it sound like it's a done deal.

Like we're going to now seize.

Oh, he always does that.

This guy is a shallow.

It's not necessarily a done deal the thing about the minerals is now backfiring

because of the wyoming pole yeah which is now i don't have a clip again

but wyoming they've you know they're going to open up a big rare earths uh minerals mine in wyoming which has got i guess as much as you need in the entire world especially some of these you know these superstar uh where rare earths that are using high energy magnets that's very important yeah what we need is uh we need some kids to go and mine that

bare hands.

Actually, the problem is, besides that,

the problem is the refining.

They talk about, oh, yeah, well, we can dig it out.

Then what?

Yeah.

The Chinese do all the refining.

I can't even imagine what that facility looks like.

One last clip from Europe

because we're now changing NATO into NIPTO.

That should be the new name.

The

North Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization.

NIPTO.

Because it's not just about NATO, it's about NIPTO.

Our working assumption is the following: that indeed, as we see, China is rapidly building up its armed forces.

They have now more ships sailing than the US.

They will have another 100 ships sailing by 2030.

They have now a thousand nuclear warheads.

This is not to organize parades in Beijing.

Oh, this is a joke you make here about the parades.

This is to kill everybody in the world.

This is indeed to use, to make use of this.

We know the ambition China has, which is to somehow get control over Taiwan.

Oh, it's all about Taiwan.

They need a thousand nuclear warheads to get control over Taiwan.

And the assumption is, based on many discussions we've had and of course

what we know from our sources, that the risk is increasingly there that Xi Jinping, the President of China and General Secretary of the Communist Party, before he would attack Taiwan, will first make a call into Moscow, his very junior partner in all of this.

His junior partner?

He first made a call to Moscow to his very junior partner.

One Vladimir Vladimir is Putin.

To ask him to keep us busy in this part of Europe.

Oh, it is a distraction.

So you keep us busy here in this part of Europe and then you take Taiwan while no one is looking.

Look over here with nothing to see here.

This shows you that the transatlantic and the Indo-Pacific are getting more and more intertwined already through North Korea, participating in the war of aggression against Ukraine on the Russian side, including China with sanction circumvention and with dual-use goods delivered into Russia, supporting Russia's war effort.

Here's some refrigerators.

You can use those motors for war.

In Ukraine.

And of course, Iran with its drone technology.

Drones.

I thought Iran's drone technology, I thought they only had like moped engines.

They have better stuff?

We had a whole bunch of clips we played.

Oh, that's right.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah, they do have some drone technology.

In Ukraine, and of course, Iran with its drone technology.

So this is all getting more and more interconnected.

And therefore, and it has been some of your own German, very senior generals predicting that three, five, seven years from now, three years is today, five years is next week, seven years is next month.

Wait a minute.

Three years is today.

Five years is next week.

Seven years is next month.

Don't you get it?

Russia might be able to mount a full-scale attack on NATO territory.

And this is why, exactly as Sir Charles was saying, we are not doing the 5% and the 3.5% core spending to make one person happy.

Great that we

equalise with the US.

One person happy, not just for Donald Trump.

It closes the debate we had for years.

But we do this because we know the threat is there.

It's real.

A threat against the US, a threat against Canada, a threat against

everybody need to spend more on defense if anyone wants a world war it's this guy

he's the one

i don't know that he wants anything well

he he wants to make uh donald happy

yes that's for sure i want to make donalds very very happy that's military industrial complex oh be very afraid because you know if we don't have enough then you know we're we're going to be suffering and then while we're suffering then boom they take taiwan and then we're all going to be in a world war

well here's a here's a question i i i don't this is another thing that never comes up in the conversation uh now that guy that does uncommon knowledge had a long discussion with a dutchman who lived and spent most of his time in china i think his name is dictor i have to get his name

very

expert on china

and he traces the china he thinks most of the china information is bs he thinks they're not as well off as they say they are.

There's not as many people as they say they are.

And he has all this documentation for it.

But one of the things he does point out is that the Chinese

real prosperity began

when they joined the WTO.

Sure.

And so I'll go along with that.

And so if the Chinese take Taiwan, why can't we just kick them out of the WTO?

And that's the end of it.

Because China relies on the WTO,

the World Trade Organization, so it can work internationally and totally kick ass and take over a lot of markets and do what it does.

And you kick them out of the WTO.

Exactly.

So with China,

you take Taiwan, you're out.

We're their customer.

They're not going to do anything

without us.

This whole Taiwan thing is a red herring.

Yes.

It's a red herring for the military-industrial complex.

And

you know, the Jews are behind it, just so you know.

Oh, yeah.

The Jews.

They want war in China.

Yeah, because they got nothing better to do.

Oops.

Well, no, that's just.

No, it was a pregnant pause.

I was

on.

I was waiting for you to follow up.

I'm like, maybe do some China stuff.

You seem to have China clips.

I don't know.

Do I have China clips?

You got Falun Gong clips.

Oh,

yeah.

Yeah, let's listen to this.

Well, maybe

if you're going to, if it's no good, then why?

Well, no, it brings a point that I brought it up earlier in the show, and

you kind of brought it up.

And

this has become an issue with me, which is what, why, why is this going on?

It's never, ever, ever.

What is the thing with Falong Gong?

What is it?

Why do the Chinese hate it so much that they're tracking people down and they're grabbing you if you fall on gong and they're throwing you in a gulag and then they're taking your liver?

I mean, why?

It's kidneys.

I don't think it's liver.

It's kidneys.

Okay, kidneys.

They're taking the kidneys.

Let's listen to the group.

So NTD brings on a fall on.

This is supposed to be a report on the CCP and it's kind of sneaking around and doing stuff in the United States.

Nasty.

And disrupting our academic system and everything in between.

Weren't they a religious outfit and they got roused?

About 10 years ago, we did a whole thing, exposition on the Fallon.

It was a whole group of these meditation techniques that showed up in China for some reason out of the blue.

And there was a bunch of them.

And Falun Gong, the one of them, which has also been renamed something else, and I keep forgetting the new name.

And they always say, when they say it, they always say it's a spiritual Baba.

They always have some little diddy, some little sub-text they always have to say with it.

It's almost like when you say Muhammad, if you're a Muslim, you always have to say, peace be upon him.

Falun Da'a.

And then if you write it out, it's Muhammad, then you'd P-B-U-H.

You see that a lot in text.

So then it has, it's like something you have to do.

And so they always say something about following, when they mention Fallon going, they always say, well, it's a spiritual, blah, blah, blah.

But

is it Falundafa?

Is that the new name?

Oh, maybe.

It's something like that.

It could be.

But whatever the case, it's like, what?

is the real reason?

There's something that we are not being told.

And you'd listen to this report, and it still doesn't get,

we just don't find out.

Let's listen.

Subverting America from within.

For decades, the Chinese Communist Party has systematically infiltrated our political systems, businesses, and institutions.

Now it's carrying out a test run for how Beijing can influence or even dictate what we can do and what we believe.

Joining us now to discuss his upcoming special report is Steve Lance, Entities Washington, D.C.

Bureau Chief, host of Entities Capital Report, and chief political correspondent.

Steve Lance, great to see you.

Thanks for joining us.

Now, you have a special report coming out about the Chinese Communist Party's covert war within the U.S.

There's so much to unpack here.

What's the bottom line?

Well, thanks for having me back with you, Tiff.

The bottom line is it is a very complex covert operation that is stemming from Beijing against a particular persecuted group inside of China who is also

based here in the United States.

And it is the Falun Gong spiritual movement.

And to understand what they're doing, you also have to understand what Falun Gong is.

Now, Falun Gong is a spiritual practice that was widely embraced inside of China during the 1990s.

It grew in rapid numbers.

The CCP's own internal estimate was that roughly 70 to 100 million people were practicing this.

And because of its rapid population and rapid spread, the CCP then then, in 1999, launched a widespread nationwide persecution.

And what they did was they rounded people up, they put them in forced labor camps, they tortured them, they murdered them, they killed them, and eventually this even evolved into organ harvesting.

You may have heard about that.

But along with this came

a vast amount of propaganda, how they labeled it as an evil cult.

They say that practitioners kill themselves.

One One of the directives was to really defame this group inside of China so that they would lose credibility.

Shen Yun?

Oh, that's the dance troupe.

You see, the advocate.

The Shen Yun dancers, yes.

I think they're on tour with Beyoncé now, I believe.

They're all over the place.

They're apparently very good.

But the point is that it starts off, she says,

Chinese influence in the United States.

And I'm thinking, well, now they're going to get into all kinds of interesting stuff.

And it switches immediately to Falun Gong.

It doesn't even, they're not going to talk about anything else now.

Well, then, why should we listen?

Is it worth listening to this?

Well, no, it's because it's the way they keep beating around the bush about

why.

Explain to me, and I want somebody out there that can explain it to me.

What specifically do the Chinese, the CCP in particular, have against Falun Gong?

Is it the same thing they have against Christians or Buddhists or Confucianism or whatever?

Is it just because it's anything outside the just a little bit veering from the straight communism?

I mean,

it's just, it makes no sense to me that they're this adamant that they're sending tons of Chinese spooks to the United States only to track down the Falun Gong.

What you have now,

go play, please.

What you have now is the

Falun Gong diaspora around the world, particularly in the United States, has set up different organizations, organizations, media organizations, a performing arts group called Shenyun Performing Arts to get the word out about this persecution because it was very, in large part, widely underreported.

And so now, as the world's people are starting to understand what Falun Gong is and that the Chinese Communist Party is persecuting this peaceful group, overseas, this is starting to get out.

And so the Chinese Communist Party is really set on silencing this group of Falandafa practitioners, Falun Gong practitioners in the United States who are operating these media groups like the Epoch Times and also the founders of NTD Television as well as Shen Yuan, because they've been so effective at getting the truth out about the Chinese Communist Party's

crimes against humanity, really against this group of people.

I guess that's the reason they just don't like the media exposure they have, I guess.

Oh, the giant media exposure of NTD.

Excuse me, NTD has been featured on this podcast for over a decade as if it's the reality.

I'm the only one.

Yeah, I know.

The Chinese are sending up some cash.

I'll stop doing it.

Epoch Times.

Oh, everyone subscribes to that.

You should probably look out your window.

I mean, before you know it,

I'm always driving.

Nobody's driving by.

The point is that

this is bull crap.

I just do not understand it.

And I try and try and I listen to this stuff and they never get to the bottom of it.

They always go on about Falun Gong and it's great because, you know, they have a dance troupe and oh my God.

And they're peaceful, peaceful protests.

And they're peaceful and they're spiritual somehow.

And we don't know why.

Yes, very spiritual.

And by the way, there used to be a group of them.

We have a counselor here in San Francisco, which is kind of an interesting place.

And because I went to it when I first went to China back in the 90s, and then I went,

it used to be just a hole in the wall in terms of the office to get a visa because nobody was in there.

And now it's a big, it's like, take a number.

And there used to be a group of fallen gongists out in the front.

And they just

stand there for hours on end staring at the building.

trying to levitate it, I think.

Well, we have a lot of producers out there.

Maybe they can help us out and understand this mystery.

So do you think they're going to get to the bottom of it?

Now I'm on clip three, so let's play that.

And these aren't that long, so it's not too bad.

Why is this such a concern for the Chinese regime?

Why have they invested so many resources to silence this group outside of the country?

I think you get an answer.

Well, when you really go back to sometimes we just buzz by certain points here, but when you really unpack forced live organ harvesting and when you really think about the gravity of this crime, this isn't just like a few rogue individuals in the government or, you know, a few bad apples on the black market.

This is state-run.

This is happening at scale

at the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party.

Military hospitals are directing this.

And when you really understand what is taking place, you're rounding up these peaceful, spiritual, religious believers that believe in truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.

Those are the three core tenets of Falun Gong.

You know,

there may be just more behind Falun Gong on our side, just to make the Chinese look bad, to keep it, you know, to keep this story alive that at the state level, they're harvesting organs.

You know, Xi Jinping just got a new heart.

Something like that.

I mean, what else could it be?

They're being kidnapped.

They're being taken to these military hospitals.

Their organs are then extracted and sold for thousands of dollars around the world.

People come in, they call it transplant tourism inside of China.

The bodies are then cremated.

They destroy the evidence, essentially, so there's no trace of it.

And then when the family comes, they say, oh, we didn't have space.

You know, we didn't have space.

Here's the ashes.

They cremate the body, or they tell them that they committed suicide.

The list really goes on.

But this is happening at scale.

So if the world's people really find out about this crime and hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable, the CCP is really only sustained

and legitimized because people don't understand these human rights abuses.

And so, the Falun Gong community overseas has been really the most effective at bringing these atrocities to light.

It seems like we have an answer:

this bad PR.

Falun Gong is bad PR.

They're talking about our organ harvesting.

I mean,

that's an offense.

It just seems like they're sending agents over all over the world to track down the Chinese dissidents.

That's what I thought was just Chinese dissidents that they were after.

But no, no, no.

It's Falun Gong specifically.

And I'm not.

There's something amiss with this story.

I think it's the last clip of it.

Thank God.

And, Steve, one of the most concerning aspects of the Chinese regime's campaign is the CCB's focus on actually U.S.

federal agencies.

What is the strategy and what are the larger implications here?

Yeah, exactly.

So, that's where it gets a little bit complicated.

There was a directive that came out of Beijing from the highest levels, Xi Jinping, that was targeting U.S.

media institutions.

And they basically planted a few different stories or tried to, through their various agents and operations, to really go after the Shenyuan performing arts.

And some of the things that they've done is they've mobilized these people to influence former dancers who may have been cut loose from Shenyuan.

It's a very,

you know, top-tier performing arts company where not everybody makes the cut.

So people get cut and eventually they may have ties in China and they start to get influenced.

And

there's a nexus between some of these former dancers who have left Shenyuan and Beijing.

And they have since filed different lawsuits.

Anybody can file a lawsuit in the United States.

You don't even have to be a citizen.

And so we're seeing civil lawsuits being filed against this group from people who are

closely tied to Beijing.

And then what you have is once these lawsuits are filed, some Western media, specifically the New York Times, is writing about these lawsuits.

Now, nothing has been adjudicated.

Everything is still

in process, and the evidence hasn't come out, but the damage has already been done, Tiff.

So these lawsuits are filed, and then the New York Times will publish an article as if it's law.

And they use very creative and crafty ways to sort of misguide the reader.

Yeah, to me, it just seems like they just want to control PR.

That's what they do in their own country.

They control it all.

I'm expecting a report on the Chinese buying land outside of the bases.

I'm expecting

a report about the Chinese

suing the environmental organizations to get them to so they would stop us using fossil fuels.

Here's what you could do: you could stop watching NTD, but it won't bother you so much.

And then what I get is this fall on gong, fall on gong, fall on gong stuff.

It just baffles me.

Yeah, well, me too.

But it's like everything else, it's never explained.

Breaking news.

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Wait a minute.

There's breaking news.

David Muir.

That was David Muir.

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This is a new

category of advertising.

Breaking news.

So we have the teaser is four seconds.

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And then the actual story is 17 seconds.

The FDA this evening approving a long acting drug to protect dogs against fleas and ticks.

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They say this new drug offers protection for up to a full year.

They're eating the dogs.

So your dog might get a seizure and die, but he won't have fleas.

That's unbelievable.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I must have a couple TikTok videos.

Really?

Okay.

All right.

Really?

Really?

Well, we can talk about stablecoin.

Oh, let's do it.

Let's talk about stablecoin.

You don't have anything on stable coin.

I have something on stablecoin.

okay play it actually do hold yeah i'm amenable i don't care okay

well watch the numbers go down no no no no you are wrong you're wrong you're oh yeah

yeah you're wrong you're wrong uh margaret brennan this is from this morning now first to get to stablecoin we have to first talk about jerome powell our fed chair What have you got?

What have you in Horace?

DH Unplugged every Tuesday.

It is

released Horowitz released on Wednesday.

I'm trying to plug DH Unplugged here.

I'm plugging the unplugged, DH Unplugged.

Have you talked about the replacement of Jay Powell?

No, this is fairly new.

This came after the last show.

Oh, okay.

Well, it's been ongoing for a while.

Well, no, they've been talking about it, but nobody expected him to, you know, now there's rumors that he wants to, he might resign because he's just sick of it and being hounded by Trump.

Hey, you spent too much on the building, man.

Because you have some oversight in the financial space.

I want to ask you about comments made in regard to Fed Chair Jerome Powell.

The president says the economy is in good shape, but he still complains about the head of the central bank.

He says he's doing a terrible job because he's not lowering interest rates.

On another network today, the president's top economic advisor said the White House is looking into whether the president has the authority to fire Chair Powell.

Do you believe the president has the power power and authority to fire the Fed president?

This is Congressman French Hill being asked this question.

You know, Margaret, I don't, and I believe President Trump has spoken about this several times over the past two years, including recently.

Mr.

Powell's

governorship, his chairmanship is up next spring.

The president has vacancies coming up on the Fed board where he could name another governor.

But look, just because Congress created the Fed and that we believe that it should be independent in the setting of monetary policy, it doesn't mean that it's immune from criticism.

And every president since World War II has had choice words for the Fed chair when they've not been in sync with the direction of the president.

So look, the Congress continues to do oversight.

I set up a special task force to oversee the Fed's decision making since the 2008 financial crisis.

We have that investigation, review, and oversight underway, and we'll continue it.

So

from what I understand, the only issue here is President Trump wants the interest rate lowered so it can refinance the country.

You tricked me.

What do you mean?

Stablecoin is next.

I didn't trick you.

But I want to ask you a question.

Because you know this better than I do.

Can't we just lower the interest rate to refi the country?

Isn't that just a good idea?

Is that a bad idea at this point?

Actually, you can make the argument the opposite is true.

Okay.

And it used to always be the idea was you get high inflation and you rack up the you rack make inflation so high that you can pay off the debt with cheap dollars.

In other words, you devalue the dollar to such an extent because the debt is in dollars.

It's not floating.

Right, no, but we have to borrow money to pay it back.

So you want to borrow at a lower interest rate.

We don't have the the money

yeah you want to borrow at the lowest interest rate you can but the way but if you can pay back in cheap dollars it's the same thing there's nothing

just it's a it's a wash one way or the other this is not going to help anything okay stable coin

the idea is that what trump's idea is to get the i don't think it's for refinancing or or any challenge

no it is but i think it's really to crank up the economy because if everything gets you know you get down to yeah you know two percent interest rate people are going to be borrowing more money, they're going to be starting more businesses, they're going to be hiring more people, and everyone's going to be happy.

And people will be buying more houses, and the prices are going to go up, and blah, blah, blah.

Okay.

Well, it sounds like a good idea.

Yeah, it does sound like a good idea.

But the way the Fed sees it is that, well, you haven't proven anything yet with the tariff threats.

And until that settles down,

I saw we had a surplus at the U.S.

Treasury for the first time in years because of the tariff money.

So I think that's bogus.

The answer is still stablecoin.

I think you'd acknowledge that most presidents might have had those choice words behind closed doors, not on social media posts on a regular basis,

Congressman.

But on crypto, I want to ask you,

crypto has been the Wild West, right?

In many ways, because they don't have the same kind of regulation

in the digital asset space that there does exist for banks and financial services.

You've got a few measures coming up this week.

How do you make sure as you put these regulations in place that kind of help crypto become more mainstream, that it doesn't also benefit some of those on the black market, for example, who use this to evade oversight?

She is so dumb.

But okay, Frenchie, go ahead.

Exactly.

Well, in the work in the Senate led by Bill Haggerty and Tim Scott and Cynthia Lomas on the Genius Act to create a dollar-backed stablecoin, we've heavily influenced that legislation over the two years of previous work by the House.

And our Clarity Act, which sets up the rules of the road for what's a commodity, what's a security, how to use digital assets, how to store them, how to custody them.

These are the rules that will protect consumers, will limit access to our market and our investors from entities outside the United States trying to influence the crypto markets.

We have none of that today.

What we've had is a mismatch of rules by enforcement in the Biden administration.

And I believe the bills we'll have on the House floor this week will protect investors, consumers, and make America, as President Trump wants, a leader in financial technology and crypto and digital assets innovation.

So, stablecoin is happening, and it's totally going to be what we talked about.

What you claim we chased our entire audience away with.

Yeah.

But of course, the most spectacular story of the week, just passing $119,000 a coin is Bitcoin.

But you know, sir, that the concern is that this is the patina.

of protection of consumers without actual muscle behind it.

It was interesting to see, and many Americans who hold mortgages might have noticed that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who buy and sell mortgages.

The head of the agency, the federal housing agency, Bill Pulte, told them they'll have to prepare a proposal to review crypto as an asset on mortgage applications.

Given the huge taxpayer stake in Fannie and Freddie, are you comfortable with people using crypto, something that isn't really, you know,

tangible in many ways to pay for a down payment on a house?

It's not tangible.

It's crypto.

What do you think?

Well, look at Bitcoin, for example.

One One can now buy Bitcoin.

It is a commodity.

It's been determined that it's a commodity by the CFTC and the SEC.

One can hold it in their brokerage account through an exchange-traded product, an ETF, ETP.

It's now an asset for millions of Americans, and it certainly could be treated like a stock or a bond or cash as a contribution to someone's net worth to qualify for a mortgage.

And if we pass clarity this week, which I expect we will on a bipartisan basis, and we craft a dollar-back stable coin like Genius offered by Senator Haggerty, we'll have the rules of the road.

It won't be a patina of consumer enforcement.

It will be real consumer enforcement, investor protection

by the CFTC,

the SEC,

and the bank, and the bank regulators.

Yes, yes, a down payment.

Remember when we called it beanie babies?

Boy, were we dumb.

I still call it that.

Because I told you you should get someone.

It was $40,000.

You still wouldn't listen to me.

I should have bought, you're right, I should have bought NVIDIA at that same point in time.

I can't wait to listen.

I would have tripled my money.

I can't, well, I can't wait to hear

Horowitz say that Bitcoin's price is going up because of NVIDIA.

That seems to be the Wall Street.

I haven't heard this.

Oh,

it's everywhere.

Oh, yeah.

It's helped by NVIDIA.

I guess.

For some reason.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't believe it's true, but it's.

NVIDIA's got their own

balloon full of hot air.

They don't need it.

More.

Man.

That thing is amazing.

Four trillion dollar worth.

Four trillion dollars.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yep.

That's a good one.

That is a very good one.

Yeah.

Well, Jefferson is...

For a chatbot.

For a bunch of chatbots, man.

The guy has got something going on.

Yeah.

A bad joke.

So let's do this clips on Harvard.

Oh, yeah, this is kind of interesting.

I've always believed that there's something underfoot here.

There's an idle threat that I think has got to freak these universities out, which is go after their accreditation The Department of Homeland Security says they're issuing subpoenas to Harvard to force them to comply with multiple requests for, quote, relevant information concerning foreign students.

A statement from the DHS says the move comes after the university repeatedly refused past non-coercive requests to hand over the required information for its student visitor and exchange program certification.

DHS Secretary Christy Noam says, if Harvard won't defend the interests of its students, then we will.

We tried to do things the easy way with Harvard.

Now, through their refusal to cooperate, we have to do things the hard way.

Harvard, like other universities, has allowed foreign students to abuse their visa privileges and advocate for violence and terrorism on campus.

In response, Harvard told The Hill that Harvard is committed to following the law, and while the government's subpoenas are unwarranted, the university will continue to cooperate with lawful requests and obligations.

The administration's ongoing retaliatory actions come as Harvard continues to defend itself and its its students, faculty, and staff against harmful government overreach aimed at dictating whom private universities can admit and hire and what they can teach.

In addition to the DHS subpoenas, the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services notifies Harvard's accreditor that the Ivy League University might be in violation of anti-discrimination laws, citing campus anti-Semitism.

Well, the anti-Semitism part is bullcrap when it comes to DEI, but for sure they've discriminated against students.

Oh, yeah, the Chinese and patriotism.

Asians, Asians, yeah, Asian Americans, of course.

Yeah.

Yeah, their lawsuit was settled and it was proven, and they still haven't changed anything.

And the fact that they could get so high and mighty about being private, private, private, and while fighting not getting government money.

Where's my 400 million, baby?

Where's my money?

Where's the money?

Where's my money?

We're private.

Give us more money.

This makes no sense.

Harvard Harvard is, this is

hubris taken to an extreme.

These guys, why are you doing this?

Just, you know,

I don't get it personally.

Well, you know, why is because Epstein went to Harvard, so there's probably something in the Epstein files.

Probably.

That's exactly it.

Is there a part two to that clip, or is that it?

No, there is a part two right here.

Department of Education Secretary Linda McMahon says accreditors have a responsibility to ensure institutions are upholding academic integrity and campus safety and culture.

The Trump administration says they're currently in talks with Harvard.

President Trump says he's optimistic.

Yeah, they'll absolutely reach a deal.

The notice comes nine days after the Trump administration's task force to combat anti-Semitism sent a letter to Harvard telling them that their federal funding is at risk because the school allegedly violated their Jewish students' civil rights.

But again, federal, why are

federal funding for what?

Research.

Research.

They can get money from.

How about the money that how about getting money

from whom the research benefit?

There are people that, I'm trying to put this sentence together.

There's a beneficiary of the research.

It's called industry.

It's called the pharma companies.

They have tons of money.

Some of them make $10 or $20 billion a year in net profits.

Why aren't they research giving them the money?

Why is the taxpayer paying for research that benefits Pfizer?

Explained this to me.

I disagree.

Without research money going to Harvard, we wouldn't have this.

When we come back here tonight, the new drug just approved by the FDA for your dog.

I'm telling you, without that, our DeFido would be dead.

I really don't know.

I don't know.

It seems personal to me.

You know,

COVID.

Shots.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Johns Hopkins, do they get money to Johns Hopkins?

Oh, yeah, they're spooks.

Yeah.

The whole thing is Johns Hopkins loaded.

Well, we're not answering any questions here.

But I do,

in that vein, have more sources, sources about Columbia University.

Columbia University may be close to a deal with the Trump administration to restore its federal funding.

Sources say the deal would help the school regain access to more than $400 million in federal funding.

The Trump administration pulled that money over anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian protests on campus.

Meanwhile, Colombia is expected to pay a multi-million dollar settlement to victims of alleged civil rights violations

and implement changes to its diversity, equity, and inclusion policies.

The agreement would also include improving campus security.

for Jewish students and boosting transparency about hiring and admissions.

It's clear.

He's doing it because he's on the Epstein list and Israel is telling him to do it.

It's obvious.

I don't see how it's so hard for you to just understand that.

Yeah, I don't know.

I lost.

With that, I want to thank you for your courage.

Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the cluster one.

Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr.

John C

DeMoran.

Yeah, well, in the morning, you, Mr.

Am Curry, and the morning, our ships, sea boots, and round feet, and the air subs in the water, and the dames and nights out there.

And morning to the trolls in the troll room.

Let me count at you for a second.

Hold on a second.

All right.

2514 today at the peak.

That's nice.

2514.

That is

above average, right?

Well, it used to be average, but now it's above average because our average is currently 24 on Sundays.

So it is above average then.

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The only way that we gain and garner any income is through your time, your talent, your treasure, because saving money is also a good way for us to create a better product for you without spending money on thousands of producers.

That's how we know that this chat GPT

conversation thing is real.

That's how we know a lot of things.

That's how we get all kinds of

information.

That is the oldest joke in the world at this point.

You always chuckle.

If you stopped chuckling, I wouldn't do it.

Okay.

I will no longer chuckle at your dumb joke.

It's not a joke.

It's kind of a bit.

The joke implies a story.

It's a bit.

It's told with a punchline.

It's a bit.

Instead of that.

See, I didn't chuckle.

It's a bit.

Time, talent, or treasure, which means we accept

any of the above.

And of course,

we love our prompt jockeys, can't call them artists anymore, who bring us artwork for every single episode.

I'm getting getting pushback now on some of these.

People are like, oh, I'm tired of the AI art.

I don't want to hear anymore.

But I kind of like the one that who did this for episode 1780.

That's the one I did from New York.

We titled it Chat Box.

And the art was by Digital.

Oh, I actually made a mistake.

I wrote down Digital 212 Man, but of course it should have been Digital 2112 Man.

Sorry.

And this was, this was, we thought it was funny.

It was Pam Bondi ripping up the Epstein list.

If it had been done by a real artist, we probably would have chosen that.

It just shows you need a good idea.

And of course, you don't need a lot of talent anymore to get it

out of the AI.

And there it is.

And man, just look at the page of NoAgendaArtGenerator.com.

Everything now has the same orange.

We're going to orange.

I'm looking at the page right now, and there's the good example is measles.

Everything is orange.

Everything.

And Barbie, Low Leader Express, HOTS, Bongino.

AI, there's a bunch of them.

They have this orange tinge.

The whole

artwork is tinged.

There's like a tinge problem.

But even if you go down and look at

from two shows ago, everything.

UIC Streets is another one.

It's brand new.

It's by Darren.

It's all tinged.

It's all orange.

And

I guess you have to put in, don't make it orange.

Joe Baba, yes.

Joe Baba, Lolidia Lady Express.

Everything's orange.

It actually is kind of awkward.

Now,

I will say

that Bongino Orange.

Now, we went for obvious lowbrow reasons.

We went with the Pam Bondi ripping up the Epstein list because, come on, everyone was talking about it.

That's why we went with it.

But the one that we both laughed at and liked the most,

without a doubt, was the Holland Five.

Yes, we did.

Which is a new band

that John just made up, the Holland Five.

And it was a funny piece, but I was like, you know.

A bunch of

stereotypical, which I've never seen a Dutch person dress like this, but you can kind of die.

Oh, no, no, that's a very traditional Dutch dress.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, completely dressed.

It looks like it's silly.

It's like the Lederhos in Germans.

No, the Dutch have a very funny.

What I'm talking about in terms of it's being a stereotype.

Yeah, although

the one thing that you will never see in a typical Dutch quintet ever.

You'll never see a guy with a banjo.

They don't play with banjos over there at all.

At all.

Darren O'Neal flooding the zone.

We kind of liked his bad liar, Pam Bondi.

She had a shock collar on.

I said bad liar.

It was okay.

It was okay.

I used the 50 shades of something,

the Dominatrix chewing bubblegum on the for the

newsletter.

Oh, of course you use that one.

Well, no, it's just no, a course.

Why would a course?

Because it's

it's uh

uh

I also, I mean, I just it was either that or the Grok one.

I like the chatter box with Darren O'Neal with the chattering teeth because I find chattering teeth to be funny.

Wow.

Now, it would have been funnier animated.

Yeah.

But yeah, the Pam Bondies.

By the way,

just as an aside, animated art also works in the podcast apps.

Good.

Let's give the artists more new ideas.

I am giving them an idea.

It works incredibly well, actually.

I wonder if this art generator will hold a GIF animated GIF.

Yeah, it should.

It should.

And present it properly.

It should.

I think so.

It should.

I don't know that.

It should.

It should.

I hope so, because I want people to do.

Oh, look at this.

Everything's a ping.

Look at this thing.

Correct the record has already put you up as host of

scene on OAN.

Okay.

Oh, brother.

All right, everybody.

That is, of course, a big thanks to Digital 2112 Man for bringing us the artwork for episode 1780.

We appreciate that.

And we appreciate anything anybody does, really.

I mean, the more choice we have, the better.

Noagendaartgenerator.com.

You know, why don't we just have noagendaartgenerator.com just be an AI by itself?

You don't have to upload anything.

Just type in what you think it should be, and it creates it for you.

I don't think so.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Bring back Nick the Rat.

Nick the Rat.

That was nice two episodes ago.

He probably had a day off or something.

Who knows?

He hasn't sent anything in since.

Yeah.

Well, he's probably mad because I didn't do a meetup in New York.

You know, they were like, hey, man, what's your dance card like?

Like, I'm here.

Nick the rat doesn't get mad.

Yeah, he does.

Yeah, I think he does.

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Okay, it says, okay, using the phrase horsepucky in addition to bull crap.

It just has a nice ring to it and the same meaning.

Horse pucky.

Well, no, it doesn't have the exact same meaning because one comes from a bull, a steer, and the other one comes from a horse.

It's a different animal.

It's like saying dog shit.

It would be also another variable to

So is this for his wife Kelly?

Because he says my wife Kelly.

Kelly gets credit for the introduction.

What does that mean?

It may be introducing him to the show?

I guess so, yeah.

Okay.

This is a very mysterious note.

Well, you let us know, Thomas, and if you want your knighthood, let us know as well.

350 from Anonymous, who says, hey, Adam and John, I would like to remain anonymous from Massachusetts.

Longtime listener, first donation, so a ceremonial dedouching is in order.

You've been dedouched.

Thank you.

I was hit in the mouth with a brick during COVID and was floored with both of your insights.

I will try to keep this short.

Thank you for your courage and what you both provide for everyone who listens.

I'm 29 years old and find it both fascinating and worrisome at how little people my age care about knowing what's going on in the world and the slanted deliveries we see every day.

You know, this is true.

You know, you in the elevator, because we were in there so, so often with so many

horrible elevators, you would hear people making jokes about Epstein, about Epstein's list, but they didn't care.

It's a punchline.

They don't care.

How many people were in the elevator?

A lot.

There was a

bachelor party, and all the bros came in.

And Tina's like, bachelor party.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they're like, yeah, man.

Yeah, Epstein List.

Whatever.

I'm proud to be armed with no agenda information, swinging my fists at everyone in front of me in the hopes at least one person tunes in, trying to hit him in the mouth.

Thank you again.

And can I please get a big, loud goat karma?

Why, of course, you can.

Thank you, Anonymous.

You've got

karma.

J.J.

Irmendale, Iowa, 3333.

Simple, easy.

Hey, boys, longtime boner, first time donor.

Given the theory that the evil entities in the world need to tell us what they are doing via symbolism or numerology, I cannot believe I have not heard the theory before.

The theory being about build back better from the previous regime.

Now look at the big, beautiful bill.

Cautious alliteration or take the B's, make them lowercase, smash them together.

666.

Mark of the beast.

The globalists are always up to evil stuff.

No jingles, just karma.

JJ and Urbendale.

He needs a dedouching, by the way.

You've been dedouched.

I sent him a note back saying, you know, I don't know how we missed that because it's so obvious.

You know, I don't think we missed it.

It's just, it was like, okay, you know,

I don't know.

No, I think we totally missed it.

I don't remember ever since.

Well, we didn't talk about it because it was like so obvious, I guess.

I don't know.

And here's his karma that he requests.

You've got karma.

Sean Homan, Noblesville, Indiana, comes in with 219.11.

I'm trying to decode that.

And Sean says, Luke 18, verses 22 to 25.

Share God's blessings.

Saint Maria Goretti,

pray for us.

Luke,

I I told you seven times, but 77 times.

Oh, it's about money.

Yes.

Settling the accounts.

Yeah.

It also should be versus B-E-R.

Yeah, no, I.

I know what he meant.

Yeah, I know what he meant, but he spelled it as though it was a competition.

I thought that was kind of fun.

Interesting.

It's slippery.

It's subtle and funny.

Yes.

Sir, do name Ralph in Miami, Florida, $211.65.

I have a blank cell here, which gives him a double-up karma.

There we go.

Double up karma.

You've got

karma.

And coming in with 207.13, it is of course the 13th of the seventh month.

That's Eli the Coffee Guy.

And he would like to credit this donation to one of their customers, Dame Rita Harrington.

Her and so many other regular producers of this show initially inspired me to start donating.

I was hit in the mouth back in 2018.

It took a few years before I ceased being a douchebag.

However, it was the regular names I heard in the donation segments that made me realize how valuable this show is to all of us, the listeners.

No Agenda has seen me through countless hours of traveling the country as a private investigator, aka corporate spook, before quitting my job to rehab an old house and start a business roasting coffee.

Thank you, Adam and John, for keeping me company on this journey.

Also, thank you to all the producers in the No Agenda community that helped make this show possible.

Thank you for your courage and stay caffeinated, says Eli the Coffee Guy without without a plug.

Well, I'm going to give him a free one.

That's

gigawattcoffee roasters.com.

So he was a private investigator for a corporation that's doing espionage?

I guess.

I didn't know this.

I didn't know this.

Wow.

Yeah.

I also, I said espionage, assuming it was, because what else would you do?

I don't know.

But that says a lot.

He's spying on other guys.

This show has changed his life.

That's the point.

Well, not only that, but he's a good coffee roaster.

He's not a slouch.

It's good coffee.

Occasionally, try other coffee.

It's good coffee.

And he holds his own with the best of them.

It's good coffee.

And his bags are exactly one

cradle full of coffee.

His bags are spot on.

He's got good bags.

And talking about Cradle, we got Sarah Cradle here.

She's in East Wenatchee, Washington, 200 bucks.

And she says, greetings, Adam and John.

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She said it again.

Getmo Nation's go-to web shop.

Love you, mean it, Sarah, the web babe.

I'm telling you, she should redo no agenda dvorak.org slash na if you can give her the password.

It'll be done quickly.

She'd love to do it.

Deflect, deny.

Linda DePatkin, $200.

Linda always has a similar message.

She does like jobs, karma, and she says, worried about AI?

For a resume that gets results, go to imagemakersinc.com.

That's ImageMakers Inc.

with a K and work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of unique and winning resumes, promo code, Bongino.

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

Let's vote for jobs.

You've got karma.

I have a D.

Clegg who sent in a check and a card.

And a card, you can tell it's a card.

I can tell.

Because it has distinctive cards sent.

She wrote a note.

I think it's a she, because I mean, D D could also be a male name, but the writing is female, but it could also be male if he was an architect.

That's true.

So she wrote in all uppercase, some

okay, this is not a tip of the day, but it's a tip.

And she should listen to this.

Get one of those font creators

software, font creation package, and turn this into a font.

She has gorgeous uppercase writing.

It's all uppercase.

It's block letters, but it's just, it's really

pretty as hell.

ITM gentlemen, she writes, thank you for all of your hard work keeping us informed.

Please dedouch me.

You've been dedouched.

Also, your best jobs, Karma, would be very appreciated.

Blessings to all.

D.

Clegg from the sanctuary state of Texas.

I'm sorry.

Texas, oh, sorry, Texas

nuts.

There you go.

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

Let's vote for jobs.

And our final associate executive producer today is Pat Hoppel from Dellafield, Wisconsin, $200.

And Pat says, now, Pat could be male or female, as we know, from years of Saturday Night Live.

I'm not sorry to break your mean, doubting hearts, John.

Male.

But Potts is real.

I think it was me who came up with that story, but I love it.

I never said it wasn't real.

I love that you're getting blamed.

I love it.

Well, that's about time somebody blamed me for something because most of the time they blame you.

Of course, most of the time they're right.

Now, with that in mind, we had a lot of notes about people.

We did.

Lots of notes about people with POTS.

The kids got it.

It's all trait.

And I'll generalize.

Yes, generalize.

It's all traced back to the COVID vaccine shot.

Some say severe COVID that they didn't have the shot.

Well, there's a doctor that's had it for 30 years that they mention in one of the notes.

Yes.

So there's no shot there.

So while POTS is real and keeps me in a reclined position with fibromyalgia, myalgic encephalomytolyculus,

encephalometalitis,

help me.

This could be a woman.

Encephalomyelitis.

There we go.

Chronic fatigue syndrome.

Yes.

M-E-S.

Yes.

And histamine intolerance.

It has kept me unemployed for 25 years.

Okay, so she didn't get it from the shot.

No.

And severely cut into my no-agenda support.

Now it's a problem.

Ah, here we go.

Wait, while my wife

has carried the economic burden, I've been the lousy homemaker, mechanic, maintenance man, etc.

And since she is no fan of the show, I have had little energy to vent to defend my giving her money to you.

But you're in luck.

Here's $200 in Elon Bucks intercepted from his effort to further subordinate the anti-MAGA sentiment in Wisconsin.

Contrary to your exuberant claim of Democrats ruling the state, Republicans have relied on extreme gerrymandering for many years to keep the crazy coming in Wisconsin.

It would be wise, or at least in your financial self-interest, to make an effort to learn more about things before carelessly turning producers away.

Please give all us pots heads some health karma, says Pat Hoppel.

Now,

I think that what we were saying here,

POTS is, because I read it, you know, there was an NHS

document about pots, and we read that.

So it's a real thing.

They don't know where it comes from.

And the claim was that that it seems a lot of TikTok women, young women, are claiming they have pots because, you know, they weren't eating or whatever.

This seems like it's a social contagion to say, I have pots.

They may have pots.

And these women may have all had COVID shots.

Pots.

I want to mention something else, which is his commentary about my...

generalizing about Wisconsin being Democratic.

That was a run.

All you is is all you.

And the fact is that my doing so resulted in his donation good job this happens a lot i condemn the indians for being cheap the indians from india they start giving and they some of them you know say oh yeah well maybe we're cheap because they are cheap we need to put this into our value for value book value for value for dummies we need to explain how it works this is one of the things

or say something you can say something wrong too and that'll get attention and give you money gets

no harm meant, Pat.

And thank you to everyone who set us straight on pots being a real thing.

The social contagion still may be very real.

Very real.

Wow.

I'm having trouble talking today.

Very, very real.

Here's the karma that you requested.

I'm going to add a goat for you because you deserve it.

You've got

karma.

And Elon, wait, Elon was bribing the Wisconsinians

with $200 in cash.

Apparently.

Well, isn't that illegal?

Oh, now you sound like MSNBC.

That's illegal what he's doing.

It's like a lottery.

You can't do that.

You can't do that.

You can't do that.

He's a big, bad person.

Thank you all very much, our executive and associate executive producers, for helping us out for episode 1781.

We will be thanking the rest of our donors $50 and above in our second segment.

As always, you can go to noagendadonations.com and make a donation of of any amount.

People like to do the numerology stuff.

We're always, it's always fun for us to try and decode it, but we're on to Eli the Coffee Guy finally after like two years.

And thank you.

It really does make a difference.

It keeps the show going.

And these executive and associate executive producer credits, as we said before, are good for the rest of your life.

You can use them anywhere.

These credits are recognized.

Try them out on imdv.com.

My formula is this:

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Shut up, sleep.

Hey, Nicole Sheridan,

who was RFK Jr.'s running mate for a bit there when he was still running.

And of course, she's got the Google money.

She made a promise.

Here's the the promise, and she actually made good on it today.

Hey, everybody.

So, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldon announced today that his agency will finally release detailed information on geoengineering.

If you've followed me for a while, you know this is something I care deeply about.

So, this feels like the right moment to share.

I have been speaking with a whistleblower over the past several weeks who has helped me really understand what's happening in our skies.

They've given me information that could shed real light on these programs, who's behind them, where the funding's coming from, and what we can do to stop them.

Another Noah Jin the staple comes true, then it's all coming out.

Second half of show.

It's all coming out.

I saw the post coming through this morning.

Play the theremin.

Why should I play the theremin?

This is the truth, man.

They've been spraying us like bugs.

Like bugs, I tell you.

Well, good for her.

I'm glad she's somebody spending on this stuff.

Yeah.

We should know about this stuff.

And it's going to come out.

It's the season of reveal.

It's here.

Yeah.

I have an offbeat clip.

Actually, I'd like to play.

I have two clips from Brooks and K-part from last Friday.

Oh, goodness gracious.

That I really think need to be played.

Okay.

Because this is giving us more insight.

We have.

Insight into your hate watch.

That's the only insight I get from you.

You play hate watch material.

I don't bitch.

I don't sit there and complain bitterly and go and do the Aunt Gigi bit on you.

You do it to me constantly.

I do.

Yes, you do.

Never.

Never.

I thought it was a man, Argentina.

Never.

Find one example.

Okay, but here's the tariffs.

This is Brooks.

He's going to give us a little insight on the tariffs without condemning Trump too much.

It's early days yet.

Our latest public inflation numbers are for May.

That's not up to current, so it could be catching up.

Second, I think a lot of the reason a lot of companies are not passing the costs on to consumers is because they think they're going to come down, that Trump's going to change his mind again.

And so why should they burn their relationship with the consumer if...

Trump's going to pull the tariffs back.

If it becomes clear over the next three, four months that he's not going to pull back, then I think consumers are really going to start seeing high prices.

And that's going to be on toys.

That's going to be on things like car seats.

I've learned a lot about car seats in the last month.

They're way more expensive than I thought they were, at least when my kids were little.

But so then, if you start paying $400, $500 for a car seat, then you notice.

And then the effect on our politics will be significant.

$400 or $500?

For a car seat?

What is he talking about, this elitist?

When's the last time you bought a car seat?

Let me see what a car seat costs on Amazon.

Is he talking about the children's booster seats so kids can sit down?

Little toddlers.

He doesn't have a toddler.

The guy's 70.

Okay.

Well, here's a car seat for $229.

Okay, that's not $500.

No, here's a decompression cushion, which I think is fine for the kid.

Just throw him on that for $29.

No, Amazon has a lot of fancy-looking Graco brand, Graco brand, best overall pick, $229, $219.

So, yeah, I don't know.

But, I mean, yeah, there's one.

Maybe he's talking about an actual car.

Not that, but an actual car seat.

In other words, the seat that you sit in in your car.

I don't think so.

It could be.

I don't think so.

Maybe he's just swapping them out randomly.

Nah, now you're just going crazy just to justify playing these clips.

Justifying anything.

Okay, well, let's listen to Kay Parton.

What does he have to say?

I don't understand what the president's doing here.

He's taken his 20th century view of tariffs from the 1980s, trying to apply it to a 21st century world.

No one knows what any of this means.

And

David's talking about inflation, higher prices.

We just don't know.

Economists say that the American people are going to get hammered, that the president is telling everyone that we're getting screwed by these other nations and that they're going to pay the tariffs.

That just isn't true.

And so the thing I keep coming back to on a whole lot of things that the president does, I'm asking the question:

why are we not talking about his mental acuity in the way we would if President Biden had been saying and doing a lot of these erratic things?

Wow, that train has come and gone.

K-part.

Really?

He wants to go back to that?

Well, how do you get from tariffs to acuity?

I mean, this guy, these two guys are the worst.

They're just crap.

And yet there they are on PBS yaking away.

There it is.

You're mad.

You're mad that they're on TV and you only get a 10-minute hit with

Chanel.

Chanel Ryan.

So I was one of the Zoomer's friends in New York works for Tori Birch.

Are you familiar with the Tori Birch brand?

Vaguely.

So I think mainly

handbags, Tori Birch handbags.

I have a handbag story coming up right after this.

So let me just see what is a Tori Birch handbag.

Let me see.

Torrey Birch is a B-I-R-C-H handbag.

Price, they probably, I'd say they're about $500, $600.

No, they get a little bit cheaper.

$3.98 for a tote.

$398 for a cheap tote.

So, and

this particular friend does

sourcing and production.

So she knew a lot about it.

And I said, how have the tariffs affected you?

And she's like, yeah, you know, we just ate it.

We couldn't raise our prices.

So we just ate the 10%.

It's not a problem.

I think most people, I'm reminded, I should mention this.

I'm reminded about all these analysis.

Oh, the tariffs are going to make everything do this and that.

Oh, we're going to do this.

I'm reminded of the Reagan administration.

If anybody remembers that far back, I'm probably the only one here that does.

But when Reagan ran against George H.W.

Bush, he was actually running against a number of candidates.

And George H.W., who he picked as vice president, was one of his candidates.

And he called Reagan's supply-side economic theories, which came from Milton Friedman.

He called them voodoo economics.

Voodoo economics is none of it's going to work.

And of course, it worked fine.

And then Milton Friedman all of a sudden became a folk hero with all his theories and ideas about inflation and everything in between.

And now everyone thinks of Milton Friedman as some sort of a genius.

They didn't think so before.

Voodoo economics.

So they're they're doing the same thing here with Trump.

They're just making stuff up.

What I thought was interesting that she said, you know, we could not raise the price because they would, I guess it's, these things are very price sensitive.

We all know, I'm sure the Mini Fleming soft crossbody retailing for $378, it probably costs them $10.

Yeah, or eight.

You know, so, and Tori Birch is a certified billionaire.

So it's like, you know, it's all right.

We've, we've been, we've been charging consumers way too much anyway, and they just ate it.

I said, what are you going to do in the future?

We'll just eat it.

10%.

It's not a big deal.

Even if it's 20%.

They are printing money at these outfits.

Yes, they are.

In fact, let's play the clip, the top clip on my list.

Yeah, I don't know.

What do you think a Jane Birkin?

It's not Jane Birkin.

Okay.

Okay, boomer.

Jane Birkin bag, it is.

Exclusive coveted fashion accessories in the world, world, the Birken bag, made by Hermes.

The large boxy purses come with long wait lists, and even used bags can sell for tens of thousands of dollars.

But if you think that's a lot, well, the original Birken bag just sold for more than $10 million yesterday at Sotheby's in Paris.

Adjujet and Federal Spot.

Woo!

This first Birkin bag was made specifically for the late Jane Birkin, the British-born singer and actress who became a French icon.

She died in 2023 at the age of 16.

Of course, I'm right.

And her bag comes with quite a backstory.

As Sotheby's tells it, in 1981, Birkin was struggling to cram a wicker basket full of her belongings into an overhead bin on a flight.

The contents of her basket, though, spilled into the lap of Jean-Louis Dumas, the head of Hermes.

The two struck up a conversation about how Birkin needed a bigger bag to lug her things around.

And when Dumas asked her to draw a sketch, she drew one on the air sickness bag from the seat back pocket.

A few years later, Hermes gifted a prototype of the bag to Birkin and asked if the company could put her name on it.

And thus, the Birkin bag was born.

Jane Birkin carried her namesake black leather bag for almost a decade.

In 1994, she donated it to raise funds for an AIDS charity.

The legendary prototype was sold with marks and scratches and includes a few unique features from its original owner, like Birkin's initials, JB stamped on the front flap, and her dainty pair of nail clippers hanging from its strap.

Valuance Japan, a Tokyo-based reseller of designed goods, said it paid the $10 million for the bag.

All right, I stand corrected.

I stand corrected.

So, who do you think the Birkin bag was named after, Boomer?

I'm going to say Jane Birkin.

I stand corrected.

I stand corrected.

But it also gave me an outstanding idea.

Ready?

The Dvorak Duffle.

I don't use a duffel.

You do now.

You drew it on the back of a puke bag, and now it's the Dvorak Duffle.

And we also have the Curry Coach now available in the No Agenda Shop.

I would like to hope the No Agenda Shop would do this.

Now,

have you even seen a Barf bag on a plane in the last decade?

Yeah, yes, because I've been on a plane in the last decade.

Barf bags?

I don't remember seeing Barf bags.

They are in there.

No, they're in there.

Of course they are.

Have you seen some of them?

I've been on planes where there's not even a magazine in that whole thing.

The magazines are gone.

Have you seen someone barf in a barf bag in the last decade?

No, but we had one time we were the family, it was, I think it was Eric.

We had a, we went to Hawaii, and for some reason, I don't know what happened, but Eric, I think, got sick and he barfed in the barf bag.

Nice.

And then he wrapped up, and it has a little clip so you can close it up.

Yep.

And he put it on the ground.

And then the plane had a rough landing, and the barf bag seemed to have rolled away underneath somebody else's seat.

So it was God knows where it was.

We snuck out of the plane as fast as we could figure.

Someone either stepped on it or what the hell is this?

No, no, no, no.

That's wrong.

On our flight home

yesterday,

we actually got a.

If there's anyone who has medical

qualifications, we could use you in row 23, please, row 23.

and you never want to hear that on the plane no because it often leads to an emergency landing in the middle of nowhere so it did not um but we actually were delayed by almost an hour and we arrived almost on time now they always you know skew these times no matter what but when we landed you know paramedics came on on board right away you know they had ems they had a clinical guy and and i guess the woman had fainted she was fine she walked off with them but the pilot then then says,

That was actually kind of cool because I got to fly a lot faster than I usually do.

We got full-on

priority.

You know, we got to a gate, you know, a gate that was empty, even though our gate was

initially occupied.

Yeah.

That's true.

So that was great.

More of that, please.

Yeah, well, I almost had that opportunity once, but some guy, I had a guy die on the flight.

Next to you?

No.

God, no.

I hope not.

No, some guy died on the flight.

It was a big flight.

It was a flight from Japan.

Oh, no.

And

we were over in the middle of the Pacific, so they couldn't do anything.

And there was a doctor on board, luckily, and he pronounced the guy dead on the plane, so they didn't have to land in Hawaii to get him, you know, any help because he was dead.

Oh, man.

So we flew all the way to San Francisco, and then they, you know, they did they zip him up.

Did they zip him up in the bag before taking him out?

Yeah, and they rolled him out of the plane before anybody else?

Well, yeah.

I mean, you get priority when you're dead.

Priority de-planing.

Yeah.

So that wasn't pleasant.

No.

I don't even know how we got here.

But, yes.

We got, we were on, you started with the bag story.

Yeah.

Well, I think the Dvorak Duffel is a winner.

Okay, we got Dvorak Duffel on track.

As seen on One America News.

I got the Air India.

Oh, the K-part stuff I've got.

You did the K-part stuff.

You did.

Yes, I did.

I do have some interesting flood analysis.

Oh,

off-beat.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that because, you know, we this morning it started coming down again like crazy.

Hunt County or Hunt, the town of Hunt is now on flood watch.

This thing is not over here.

Well, this isn't quite about the flood per se.

It's about the

flood plains that are over there in Texas, and there's tons of them.

Yes.

They're all over the country actually.

You notice it when you look at a map.

Yes.

But this is kind of an interesting, I think this is somewhat scandalous.

This is the interesting flood info PBS.

Laura, what is it that you looked at and what did you find?

What we found was a significantly higher risk of flooding in this camp and in this area than the federal government has ever reported.

We found that a number of the cabins were had an expectation that if a serious storm came, they were going to be inundated.

And yet FEMA's maps, what Americans depend on to know whether or not they have a flood risk, were not showing this risk.

And so, when we went and looked at a number of maps that are done by private companies, you can see that if a serious storm came, that this place would be underwater, not only in the main camp, but also off into the new camp that they built recently.

And some of these are done by private companies like First Street in New York, which was able to show where they expected the water to come.

You know, the thing that's

interesting is that Camp Mystic has flooded before at these many, many floods, 32, 78.

I mean,

it was known.

No one wants to listen.

Yes, it was known, but

this is where the plot thickens is part two.

Why the difference?

Why did these private companies pick it up and FEMA not?

FEMA does not map rainfall.

They are not mapping flash flooding.

And they're also not looking forward into what sort of climate predictions might be there coming.

FEMA is looking backward.

FEMA does not have the mandate from Congress to do this work and they also they don't have the funding to do this.

So there are wonderful scientists at FEMA that are capable of doing this.

They have some of the best data scientists in the world, but they are not mapping this risk the way a lot of the private companies are saying, look, this is a serious problem.

The Associated Press had a story out this morning that said that a number of buildings at Camp Mystic had been taken off the list.

Because you write in your investigation that there are special interests that can appeal.

How does that work?

NPR and PBS Frontline, we're also reporting this.

We have the documents that show that this camp pulled these buildings out of the floodplain.

They're saying, we don't want to have these in this risky area, so can you just take them out of your map?

And FEMA granted this request for multiple buildings back 15 years ago.

This is a significant problem because if you are in the floodplain, then you are required, if you are in a community that belongs to this program and you have a federally backed mortgage, you are required to build to a flood standard.

That usually means elevating your house so that you can survive a significant storm like this, a significant flood that's coming through.

And if you're outside the flood maps, you don't have to do that work.

And that is why a lot of communities sometimes ask to come out of it and even private owners like this camp requested to come out of the floodplain.

And we can see the impact that that had.

To be clear, they want to get out of the floodplain on paper, but in reality, they're still in it.

Well, I can tell you why they're doing this.

And we're seeing this ourselves.

And everybody here expects our home insurance to go up again.

Since we've lived in this house, which is four years, our home insurance has doubled.

Yeah, it's doing this as everywhere.

And yes,

being in the floodplain makes your insurance go up because it's an excuse to jack up the insurance, but at the same time,

everyone's finagling it.

Let's listen to clip three.

This is happening not just at Camp Mystic, but across the country.

More than two times as many Americans have a flood risk, but millions of Americans that don't even know they have a flood risk.

And that's because FEMA's maps have not been updated with this new information.

Because you said this is also an issue in North Carolina when Hurricane Helene moved.

Absolutely.

When we were in North Carolina covering Helene, 98% of the people that were affected by the storm were not in FEMA's flood maps.

This means that not only if they're not in the flood map, they may not have been required to build in a way that could have helped them survive the storm, but also they may not have belonged to the National Flood Insurance Program because there wasn't a requirement for them to do so.

And so they're out of luck in that way, too, when it comes to rebuilding.

What's it take to fix this legislation?

We found in our reporting that Congress needs to fund this program.

They need to fund FEMA to do these maps.

But there's a lot of pushback to having these maps updated.

A lot of politicians don't want to be the ones that will increase flood insurance rates for people across the country.

I'm missing an important detail here.

Maybe it's in the fourth clip.

Well, I want to also mention something about they, of course, they're trying to twist this whole story so it's Trump's fault.

how about climate change that's what I'm waiting for they never get to climate change that's really interesting in this because PBS that is mostly they're targeting Trump man it's like well FEMA's had FEMA has not done this job well

for a long time

and so all of a sudden now could because of Trump it's

it's it's being

you call attention to it because of Trump this is nonsense this whole report really bugs me for that reason but here we go at the last of it but we also found in our reporting that the National Association of Home Builders, Home Developer Lobby Groups, even sometimes the National Association of Realtors are saying we don't want to see these maps necessarily updated because they want to keep, they say, homes affordable.

And now with FEMA in limbo under the Trump administration, changes likely, unlikely?

The cuts to FEMA are making it difficult from the insiders we've talked to to do the work that they want to do.

But it is also going to undermine the agency's ability to insist on flood map changes and also insist on resilient building.

Due to climate change,

they missed an opportunity there, I think.

I think they were targeting this too much.

They didn't want to water it down.

Well, President Trump and First Lady Melania came to Kerrville right down the road to visit.

And

I will say that in general, everyone is pretty happy with how

it's a lot of it's local people.

I mean, there's, oh man, there must be 3,500, maybe 4,000 volunteers.

In fact, there's a meetup this coming Saturday at Java Ranch, also known as Java Hut on Main Street.

One of our producers who's coming in from the Netherlands to help with flood relief.

He's organizing a meetup there.

There's a lot of people who emailed me and people say, I'm in Austin.

I want to go help.

And so

it's really been very

heartwarming to see how many people just jumped in to help.

And here's a report about the president with some nonsense in here from the president, unfortunately.

U.S.

President Donald Trump was in central Texas on Friday to survey the damage from devastating floods that killed at least 120 people.

Trump and First Lady Melania began their visit in hard-hit Kerrville, where they were briefed by local officials.

Later, during a town hall, the U.S.

President dismissed questions about the federal response to the floods and whether adequate warnings were provided.

Well, I think everyone did an incredible job under the circumstances.

This was, I guess Christy said, a one in 500, one in a thousand years.

No, it's not a lot of people.

It's possible to sit back and say, oh, what could have happened here or there?

You know, maybe we could have done something differently.

This was a

thing that has never happened before.

And nobody's ever seen anything.

I've never seen anything like this.

Officials say some 3,400 people are involved in the search for the 160 people that are still missing.

The search for the missing continues.

The people that are doing it are unbelievable people.

That you couldn't get better people than this anywhere, Christy, right?

Anywhere in the world, you couldn't get better people.

And they're doing the job like I don't think anybody else could, frankly.

And I want to thank them.

I want to thank all of these great first responders who raced into very grave danger.

We have some people that

were

incredible.

The single Coast Guard Rescue Crew saved an incredible 169 children at Camp Mystic.

169.

We're also taking historic action to ensure that such a nightmare never happens again.

We're going to look and see how can a thing like this, they could say it's 100-year, somebody says it's a 500-year event.

We're not going to let a thing like this happen again where it can wreak this kind of devastation there's no stopping it president trump there's no stopping this

um

one of the guys at our church mark deweis he he uh has you know equipment and he went down there he says he uncovered 10 bodies in the rubble he says it's a mess And of course, you know, now it and I feel a lot more

what the people of Western North Carolina, Asheville, what they all went through, because it disappears from the news, you know, but it just stays and it goes.

This will be months, months still of cleanup.

It's an unbelievable mess.

Video doesn't do it justice.

And yeah, it'll happen again in five to ten years.

Yes, it happens over and over.

It does.

But we should be looking at.

But by saying it's every thousand years,

that doesn't help at all.

No,

it's a lie.

And it's a lie.

Here's a little.

Can I just give you one little interesting tidbit?

Speaking of churches,

we have the new IRS, which means much less people.

I'm not quite sure exactly what President Trump did.

But Monday, the IRS said, and this is very interesting because since the 1950s, I think, this has not been legal due to the Johnson amendment.

The IRS said on Monday, churches and other houses of worship can endorse political candidates to their congregations, carving out an exemption in a decades-old ban on political activity by tax-exempt nonprofits.

They say the communications from a house of worship to its congregation in connection with religious services through its usual channels of communication on matters of faith do not run afoul of the Johnson Amendment as properly interpreted.

That's a big, yeah, 1954 is when Johnson introduced that.

That's a big change.

It'll be interesting to see how it works with the televangelists.

Well, I guess it comes down to what's your normal mode of communication.

But they're pretty clear houses of worship.

So I don't know.

A televangelist is a house of worship with

16,000 people.

Man, so many

audience of millions.

Yeah, it'll be interesting.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't do that anyway.

Here's an interesting thing.

I like to do unreported news.

In other words, kind of scandalous little stories that just never get played by anybody.

I do not understand the editors of this country and why these things don't go up.

But I don't think you've heard this one.

This is the unreported United Nations corruption story.

The Trump administration today announcing sanctions on a United Nations investigator, Francisca Albanese, is the UN Special Rapporteur for the West Bank in Gaza.

Albanese has previously prompted the International Criminal Court to take action against U.S.

and Israeli officials, companies, and executives.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio says her efforts were illegitimate.

In recent weeks, Albanese has urged other countries to pressure Israel, including through sanctions.

Rubio today wrote, Albanese's campaign of political and economic warfare against the United States and Israel will no longer be tolerated.

Rubio added that the U.S.

will continue to take necessary actions to respond to what he calls lawfare against the U.S.

Rebell says that's to protect America's sovereignty and that of its allies.

Hmm.

That is.

Rescue and official.

Gambling?

Amazing.

Yeah.

All right.

Let's wrap it up with some TikTok clips, John.

Might as well.

I know you're chomping at the bottom.

Oh, I don't know.

We could skip them.

Oh, do one.

Do your favorite.

Do your favorite one.

What's the good one here?

Oh, well,

they're all none.

What's the good one?

Not a single one of them.

I think the Civil War one is good.

Okay, here we go.

Oh, MAGA, don't you understand?

If we have another Civil War, all the blue states will control all the fresh water.

You guys don't think they're shit through, do you?

That's great.

Is that true?

No.

There's fresh water all over the place.

And the blue states control mostly on the coast ocean water.

Yeah, which nobody uses to drink.

I mean, Washington State gets a lot of fresh water.

California is a drought state.

Oh, man.

All right.

Would you please do the stolen landlady?

Because I saw you tweeting this on X all week.

Oh, what's wrong with these people?

These people, what's your butcher, they're one chat GP session away from going insane.

That's what I'll tell you.

Okay, this is the profane scold.

She's a scold.

I don't want to to hear another white person say the word illegal for the rest of my goddamn life.

We are living on stolen land.

Our ancestors forcibly and violently seized this land from the indigenous peoples who were living here for generations before we ever showed up.

We do not get to call them illegal.

We don't own the fucking planet.

Nobody does.

Oh, brother.

We are evolved monkeys with opposable thumbs who use them to write little monkey scribbles on a slice of tree and we call it a birth certificate.

Didn't you already play this one?

Is this old?

The opposable thumbs thing.

Is this a script?

It could be.

With our little monkey sounds, all of it is made up.

None of it is real, and it doesn't fucking matter.

And it's certainly not a valid reason to rip a terrified, screaming child away from his weeping mother.

And I am tired of being made to feel like I'm crazy for being angry about this.

Capitalism is just narcissism as an economic system.

Imperialism is just narcissism as a foreign policy.

If the lion can't claim the safari for himself and call the elephant illegal, then neither the fuck can we.

I'm sorry, I even asked for this one now.

You requested it.

I mean, it was profane.

I did.

I did.

I did not like it.

I was put a nutshafer.

Yeah, now I have to mark the episode as explicit.

Oh, thanks.

I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.

Imagine all the people who could do that.

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

Yeah,

oh, no agenda

in the morning.

Just remember, you can find him on TikTok or on x.com under the real Dvorak.

You can use it.

Yeah, the real Dvorak.

I've lost a whole bunch of people for some unknown reason.

You're still at 100 plus, and I'm still stuck at 98.8 thousand.

I cannot get over 100.

That's because

they're limiters.

I'm sure of it now.

Yes.

I mean, even the Epstein stuff disappeared from my timeline, like overnight.

The thing is totally rigged.

Yeah, it's rigged.

Yeah, it's rigged.

Hey, John's going to tell us who supported us above $50, the rest of our list for today.

Yeah, starting with Breakwater Yacht Maintenance.

There you go.

Now, there's a company.

Yacht maintenance.

Breakwater Yacht Maintenance.

Where are they?

They're in Mystic, Connecticut, where you would have an operation like this.

That's right.

I love it.

105.35.

If you need some maintenance on your yacht,

go to

the breakwater.

They can do it.

They can do it.

They can do it.

They can take care of your yacht.

And I'll also give you some orange juice.

Tony Pace in Houston, Texas, 100.

MK Ultra Mark.

In the Bronx, 100.

Kevin McLaughlin in Concord, North Carolina.

You know what he is.

He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America, and melons.

Oh, melons.

Yeah, melons, 8008.

Rocket Boy in Brownsboro, Alabama, $69.35.

That's a Gen X donation, which is $65.80 plus fee.

$65.80.

$65.80.

That means you're born between $65 and $80, I guess.

Yeah, plus fee.

That makes sense.

Okay.

That's also a birthday call out.

He's got it for himself.

Yeah, Dame Rita, Sparks, Nevada, $67.57.

Jennifer Follow Will.

Follow Will in Peoria, Arizona.

Yes.

6580.

Another call out.

Gen X.

Gen X donation.

Did you write this somewhere that this 6580 has popped up?

This is new numerology to me.

I like it.

No.

I like it.

6580.

That's a good one.

6580 for your Gen X.

I have no idea where this came from.

I didn't come up with it.

Now we have two, almost two in a row, except for Dame Rita in the middle.

Yep.

Sandwich.

Jennifer's got a birthday.

Yep.

Christopher Dector, 5678.

We're going to push this.

I like this.

We're going to push this 65.80.

6580, yeah.

Christopher Dector, 56.78.

Lydia Terry in Rochester,

New Hampshire, 5623.

Holly Taylor in Curdeline,

Idaho, 5272.

And that's a happy birthday to her her smoking hot boyfriend, Jeff.

Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia.

Oh, holy macro, we're at the 50s already?

Yes, we are.

So we had a total of 28 donations today?

Yeah.

That stinks.

That's what it is.

You know why?

Is that

NTD clips about Falun Gong?

Well, that didn't help.

Did not help.

No.

Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia.

Tim Delvecchio in Blandin, Pennsylvania.

Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California.

Dame Patricia Worthington, our regular in Miami, Florida, Brandon Savoy in Port Orchard, Washington, Dame Knight in Edmonds, Washington, and last on the list is Travis Fierstein in

Costa Mesa, California.

And he's got his name.

He has a note saying 25 June, July.

Okay.

All right.

Maybe code for something.

I should read it out.

All right.

That's our group of well-wishers and contributors to show

And thank you to those who came in under $50 for reasons of anonymity.

We'll never mess it up and we'll never read anything under the 50.

We see you $49.99.

And of course, our sustaining donors who have decided to go either on a night or dame layaway program or just like to support us with any random amount, any frequency, you can do all of that at noagendadonations.com.

Anything is appreciated.

All you have to do is just send back the value you perceive that you got from the show.

It's that simple.

Noagendadonations.com.

It's a birthday birthday.

Oh no agenda.

Also kind of a short list, Jennifer Followill wishes her sister Julie Nall a very happy 45th and she'll be celebrating tomorrow.

Rocket Boy also celebrating his birthday tomorrow.

And Holly Taylor, happy birthday to her smoking hot boyfriend Jeff.

He celebrates on the 15th.

Happy birthday from everybody here.

The best podcast in the universe.

It's your birthday.

Our top two executive producers today also receive PhDs, Mike Musgrave and Thomas Flanagan.

Both of you go to noagendarings.com and please let us know if you want your night ring as well.

If you want your official nighting, and send us a note with your name, you might as well put that on the form there when you send us in what you want on your certificate and where you'd like it sent to.

We are happy to oblige.

Congratulations with these freshly minted PhDs, Immedia Deconstruction.

Well, as I mentioned, we will have an impromptu meetup this coming Saturday.

Avert Bop

will come in from the Netherlands.

He's actually in Texas already, and he is helping out with the cleanup efforts and, I guess, some rescue efforts still or search efforts in Kerr County.

He'll be at Java Ranch Saturday between 2 to 5, and I will definitely stop by.

I'm also asking Willie to stop by so you can see the famous Willie the Chess master.

We have a meetup report from Victoria.

So, welcome to Taverns here at the Lighthouse Brewery.

I am here with Winston Smith or Tim.

Or Tim, and we're here for

the Victoria meetup.

And this meetup will happen again in two weeks.

So, we want to get a few more people out here.

So, think about it in two weeks' time.

We will be out here for the No Agenda Meetup.

Noagendameetups.com is where you can find all of the meetups.

We do have one taking place today.

It's underway as we speak.

Evergrain Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania.

On the list for July, Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 19th.

Albany, California.

That's the big one where John's coming out on the 19th as well.

Victoria, British Columbia on the 25th.

Anaheim, California, Leo Bravo on the 26th.

Alfreda, Georgia on the 31st.

And many more ahead.

Many more meetups happening throughout the dog days of summer, which are coming up.

If you'd like to know where, go to noagendametups.com.

We've got a fantastic calendar there.

You can search by location, you can search by date.

And if you can't find something that is near you, why don't you go ahead and start one yourself?

It's easy.

Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

You to be where you won't be triggered on hell lame.

You to be where everybody feels the same.

So I got a lot of ISOs, but I think I'm just going to try my best ones on you and see if you like those.

Because people are now, they're mad.

They're like, hey, we got to do some ISOs.

We got to get John out of the ISO sphere.

It's no good what John's doing.

The ISO sphere.

ISO Sphere.

Here's my first.

It's that good.

I kind of like that one.

And that was obviously an edited ISO.

And this one.

There was a whole lot of value in there.

Nah?

Come on.

You know, if you're going to editing the ISO

is no different than doing an AI ISO, it seems to me.

Well, I mean, you didn't like that.

That one wasn't edited.

There was a whole lot of value in there.

No, I didn't.

That was okay, but I actually liked the edited one better.

Oh, you did?

Yeah, we could have had a funny laugh at the end.

Yeah.

I'll leave it at those.

I want to give you a two-year-old.

Those are two.

That's it.

Well, okay.

You want to hear more?

I got more.

No problem.

Here's more.

Oh, my.

Good show, boys.

I need a cigarette.

That sounds like AI.

I didn't do that one.

Let's see.

We get this one.

Are we still talking about that?

I don't know if that's AI or not.

Here's another one.

I think it's AI.

Could be.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

That's good old Alex.

We have this one.

Hello.

And what the heck is going on?

Mm-hmm.

Well, that's what I got.

Oh, wait,

I like one more.

One more.

Powered by AI.

Thanks to John.

Let's hear that one again.

Powered by AI.

Thanks to John.

Yeah.

That's a good one.

I kind of like that one.

All right.

What do you have?

So I do have an AI one.

Actually, they're both AI, but I try to be a little different.

The one I like is the best.

Best show in five years.

Well, it's not as good as the Alex one.

No.

And then there's this one.

Sorry.

Then there's this one.

The show made me fart.

No, you're really searching now.

I think.

Bye-bye.

I think that's Alex is just, he's always a winner.

I think you have to go with that.

No doubt about it.

Anyone who has polyps and makes a living out of it, I'm fully.

Just the tip with JCD

and sometimes Adam.

Created by Dana Bernetti.

There we go.

Time for John's tip of the day, everybody.

Yeah.

This is a follow-up tip to the last one for the blackout folk.

This is a really cool product.

And these are called, you can look them up on Amazon.

There's a bunch of different people that make them.

They're out of China, obviously.

There's nobody, in fact, mine's particularly out of China because I can't even put the wording right.

But these are emergency use light bulbs,

and they are regular, like a regular LED light bulb.

They look exactly the same, except they have a battery, a chargeable battery inside.

And so if the power goes out, the circuit stays connected and the light bulb stays lit.

Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah, if you, in fact, if you take a piece of aluminum foil and put it over the bottom, the connections at the bottom, they also have these little connectors you can put on the bottom with with a little click on it, a little switch.

You can click them on and off.

The thing stays lit.

So when the power goes off, then you need just one in, I'd say, one in any room or one in a room that you're in a lot.

If you're going to be worried about having to do a wall crawl to get to a flashlight, which I had to do, is this another Mimi tip of the day where she's so worried about you and a bunch of people?

No, she got me these.

Yes.

Yeah.

Mimi got me the bulbs and she got me the thing from last show

because she's worried sick that I'm going to, I don't know what she's going to do.

Die.

You're going to die in a horror.

I'm going to die.

Find Find the flashlight.

So

open a window.

So

they come, they're cheap.

There's like this six pack of

Bo Recketit.

Stupid name.

There was like 20 bucks for six of them.

But there were this.

Hey, can you put this in your mouth like Uncle Fester?

Yes, you could.

And you'd put it in your mouth, and then you'd use your tongue and you'd complete the circuit of the

bulb screw and it would light it up.

I never thought of that, but I don't know if you're going to get a

child.

Here's an idea.

On your next hit

on the Chanel Ryan show, you should just do that at the end.

Just pop that bulb in it.

Come on.

Come on, man.

That'd be fantastic.

Come on, John.

Get some noted notoriety.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, Chanel.

Watch this.

And then just pop it in your mouth.

Now you're talking a hit, everybody.

That is John's tip of the day.

Find them all at tipoftheday.net.

Great advice for you and me.

Just a tip for JCD.

And sometimes Adam.

Created by Dana Bernetti.

Oh, man.

We've got ideas a dozen a minute.

We just got it all for you.

And that does conclude our broadcast day from a still very wet hill country, Texas.

Thank you all for tuning in.

Thank you for listening.

Thank you for supporting us.

We appreciate any support at noagendadonations.com.

We have end of show mixes from SoundGuy Steve.

Love to see him back.

Oystein Berga checks in.

Oystein has his seasons mixed up.

He's got a...

A Christmas tune, but it's all original.

No AI in these end of show mixes.

And also Jason Lewis.

It's all Epstein-oriented.

You will love it.

Coming up next on NoAgendastream.com, Trollroom.io, is Nick the Ratz speaking of the devil.

And this is his Summer's Douche episode from the Sewers of New York City.

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Right here in Fredericksburg.

In the morning, everybody.

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And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're encouraging you to go to

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I'm John C.

DeVorik.

We'll see you all on Thursday.

Until then, adios, mofo, is a hooey-hooey.

And such,

the golden age in America begins right now.

And it's the biggest bill ever signed of his gun.

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

Trump, Trump, Trump.

Sticking it to the libs, sticking it to the media,

sticking it to the elite.

Trump, Trump, Trump.

We've always known that his hold on the Republican Party is firm.

Donald Trump is weaponizing the Department of Justice against his political enemies, and we are getting more and more proof every single day.

He now has total control of Washington.

President Trump was visibly annoyed after a New York Post reporter asked about Jeffrey Epstein during a cabinet meeting.

Texas has been advised to be nicer but says he doesn't care.

These are the kind of guys who like to smack in your ass.

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

You better watch out.

You better not cry.

Better get dressed.

I'm telling you why.

Prince Andrew is coming

to town.

He was on the list, and they checked it twice, and then it was gone.

Now what a surprise!

Epstein's client list is

no more.

They saw when he was sleeping,

they knew when he was awake.

And he did really kill himself, so shut up for goodness sake.

Oh, you better watch out, you better not cry.

Better hide your kids, I'm telling you why.

Jesus Lane is

coming

to town.

And even though it's past on now,

still all know the names.

Cause all the lists on Bonnie's desk are gone,

tossed them all away.

And the manifest manifesto only has such words

run by the CIA

Now we're pissed off Mac, cause we'll never be the same

and don't belong to no one that's ashamed

Max will steal in prison

safely for a while.

She won't tell no

tales.

She won't tell no name.

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