1762 - "Stick Fight"

Speaker 1 Load up on the Indians.

Speaker 2 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

Speaker 3 It's Sunday, May 8th, 2025. This is your award-winning Give On Nation Media Assassination episode 1762.

Speaker 6 This is no agenda.

Speaker 7 We've got white smoke, and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, right here in FEMA Region Number 6. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 11 Here from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's apparent that Trump's ploy worked.

Speaker 14 We have an American Pope. I'm John C.
Dvorak. It's Craig Bottom Buzzkill in the morning.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I'm kind of mad at myself in hindsight.

Speaker 18 Like, how obvious could he have made it?

Speaker 19 Clearly,

Speaker 13 he had the inside track.

Speaker 20 Very suspicious.

Speaker 23 My Catholic friends don't understand this thinking of mine.

Speaker 18 When I say, oh, Trump was telegraphing it all along.

Speaker 28 They mean, what do you mean?

Speaker 29 What do you mean? What do you mean?

Speaker 30 What do you mean?

Speaker 29 Well, we have an American Pope.

Speaker 32 That was, I mean, if anything, that was, wasn't that guy a long shot?

Speaker 31 What were the odds on him?

Speaker 34 I'd have to go back and look.

Speaker 35 Wow, man.

Speaker 36 It was like, no, that was completely.

Speaker 39 He was not up there in the top five destination.

Speaker 35 No, no.

Speaker 40 So, my prediction streak is broken.

Speaker 42 I can no longer be like, I predict

Speaker 44 of one.

Speaker 46 It was a long streak.

Speaker 8 It took many years.

Speaker 34 It was actually.

Speaker 46 It was a long streak.

Speaker 9 So the jury seems to still kind of be out on this guy.

Speaker 48 He looks so like Fauci.

Speaker 49 Well, there's that.

Speaker 22 He's from Chicago, strike to.

Speaker 50 Chicago.

Speaker 50 He's a bear fan.

Speaker 36 Maybe.

Speaker 53 Some are saying, well, he sounds a bit like a Francis Jr.

Speaker 55 You know, he was kind of wishy-washy about some scandals.

Speaker 57 Who knows?

Speaker 58 He could also reignite the faith all across the country.

Speaker 36 You don't know. It could go,

Speaker 29 don't laugh.

Speaker 29 This is obviously our hope and prayer.

Speaker 59 Reignite's hope and prayer.

Speaker 60 Light it up, Pope.

Speaker 61 Light it up.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 Well, it's just, it's interesting.

Speaker 62 I, you know, it's like, is America now, are we on the comeback?

Speaker 65 Is it all complete?

Speaker 17 We've got Pope Trump.

Speaker 66 Well, they're doing a trade deal with the Vatican tomorrow.

Speaker 68 What do we buy from them?

Speaker 16 I don't think we buy anything from them.

Speaker 70 Crucifixes.

Speaker 71 Rosary beads.

Speaker 72 Well, that might be an appropriate.

Speaker 29 So, viva la papa.

Speaker 73 Congratulations, everybody.

Speaker 34 Why did he name himself Leo Laporte?

Speaker 75 That one I had not come up with.

Speaker 76 That's a good one.

Speaker 36 Well, speaking of tariffs, we might as well get into it with the

Speaker 72 most important tariff of all.

Speaker 80 Everybody's flipping out.

Speaker 36 We're all freaking out. What?

Speaker 82 In Hollywood, the reviews are in for President Trump's plan to impose 100% tariffs on movies shows outside the U.S.

Speaker 84 It's getting panned.

Speaker 85 Are you worried for your industry?

Speaker 86 Yeah, I'm worried for the industry.

Speaker 88 I'm worried for my livelihood.

Speaker 81 Monique White is executive vice president at California Pictures, a Los Angeles-based distributor of independent films.

Speaker 71 Distributor. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 92 Wait a minute.

Speaker 93 Who cares?

Speaker 10 The distributors aren't getting

Speaker 94 tariffed?

Speaker 95 No, I think that's exactly who will get tariffed.

Speaker 99 If it comes in from overseas.

Speaker 38 Oh, because you mean the... Oh, yeah.

Speaker 100 Well, I have my thoughts on this.

Speaker 101 Well, yes, they're producing a lot of

Speaker 101 the same.

Speaker 102 The first thing I thought was these are foreign films who cares.

Speaker 103 Let's finish the clip.

Speaker 82 Los Angeles-based distributor of independent films.

Speaker 86 It's either going to put a nail in the coffin or it's going to incentivize us to figure out alternative ways to do production.

Speaker 104 The Motion Picture Association says the U.S.

Speaker 81 already exports triple the film content that it imports with a more than $15 billion surplus in 2023.

Speaker 81 CBS News has confirmed that that actor John Foyt, one of the president's special ambassadors to Hollywood, came up with the tariff idea.

Speaker 106 They're given financing by other countries, they've given a lot of things,

Speaker 106 and the industry was decimated.

Speaker 81 Movies like Mission Impossible often seek out exotic locales for filming.

Speaker 84 White told us tariffs would hurt more than just the bottom line.

Speaker 86 It's stifling creativity. So if someone wants to shoot something that's got a certain backdrop, you can't shoot it here.
You have to go to the authentic place.

Speaker 108 Oh,

Speaker 84 It's unclear what the tariffs would be based on.

Speaker 35 Production costs, box office receipts, or something else.

Speaker 8 Bull crap.

Speaker 81 You're talking to the insiders.

Speaker 110 Do they really think this is going to happen?

Speaker 86 I'm not sure, to be honest. Everybody's very afraid, that's for sure.

Speaker 88 Everybody's very worried.

Speaker 86 So if this comes to reality, then this could all just go away tomorrow.

Speaker 111 So this is such a well-known fact in Hollywood.

Speaker 92 Hollywood is empty.

Speaker 49 It's a shell because everybody's shooting up in Vancouver.

Speaker 32 They're shooting in all kinds of foreign countries.

Speaker 114 These are American movies.

Speaker 115 They're not making in America anymore.

Speaker 117 And the whole point of Hollywood as a location was A, for the light, and B, for the creativity of recreating, you know, fake Nanu Nanu, creating

Speaker 31 places that look like you were there.

Speaker 36 That look like you filmed it there.

Speaker 102 You have the whole back lot of Warner Brothers is all kinds of different little towns.

Speaker 99 I think this is a phenomenal idea and long overdue.

Speaker 97 Anyone who's like, oh, Trump's no good, they should be quiet.

Speaker 123 This is going to bring back filmmaking to America.

Speaker 125 Texas has all kinds of incentives.

Speaker 30 They still can't,

Speaker 23 Austin used to be really big on that.

Speaker 127 They still can't lure productions into Texas just because of all the incentives, quite frankly, the payoffs of other countries.

Speaker 130 The bribes.

Speaker 131 The bribes, yeah.

Speaker 29 It's so obvious.

Speaker 132 In Spain.

Speaker 125 Hollywood people all have homes in Canada

Speaker 68 if they're working,

Speaker 36 if they're working regularly, because everything is happening up north and it's happening everywhere, but in America.

Speaker 132 I met more people when I was flying.

Speaker 71 I'd go to Vancouver because I used to write for up there.

Speaker 34 And I'd go to Vancouver quite often.

Speaker 137 And so if I caught a, if I was in Vancouver and I was taking a Friday flight out of Vancouver,

Speaker 90 the place was filled with all these actors.

Speaker 140 Packed this actors.

Speaker 29 I talked to a whole bunch of different people.

Speaker 77 It's like flying on Friday to Vegas, packed with hookers.

Speaker 142 Everybody knows this.

Speaker 29 It's the same thing.

Speaker 29 Hookers.

Speaker 43 Packed with hookers.

Speaker 52 So, oh man,

Speaker 29 we're talking about this. Oh, no.

Speaker 104 This is a great idea.

Speaker 63 We invented this.

Speaker 144 And by the way, how about your AI and your CGI and all that stuff?

Speaker 30 You don't need to go to these places.

Speaker 62 Make it in America where we invented the entertainment industry, CNN.

Speaker 145 Here's what they're saying.

Speaker 88 So, for all of us at home, can you actually tariff something that's not a physical product?

Speaker 147 In the sense of, in the traditional sense of how you think about a tariff, a physical good coming across the border, getting stamped by CBP, a company paying the tax that you have to pay.

Speaker 147 Yeah, but a fee is a fee.

Speaker 88 People charge me fees all the time. Yeah, so what does this look like for the consumer?

Speaker 147 Probably higher prices, but like how it gets distributed to the company that's putting the film out.

Speaker 27 So literally, who do you charge?

Speaker 141 Exactly.

Speaker 88 Are you saying that because, yeah, who makes the movie, and what is the mechanism in which they are charged?

Speaker 75 You know,

Speaker 16 most of the series and movies that I see streaming, because we flip around, it's all crime and death and gratuitous sex.

Speaker 144 A lot of gay sex.

Speaker 152 Even the shows you like, oh, you got to watch this, but beware of episode two.

Speaker 17 Gay sex.

Speaker 90 What was that show?

Speaker 59 It was.

Speaker 48 It was totally gratuitous.

Speaker 30 It was a

Speaker 34 show sucked after like a couple of episodes.

Speaker 29 Yeah, they had literally sex.

Speaker 155 They were doing gay butt sex for for no reason.

Speaker 75 It was the one with the assassin in London.

Speaker 59 What was that? That black bird or whatever.

Speaker 64 No, it was something else.

Speaker 28 So, you know, it's like, come on.

Speaker 134 You know, we have Sodom and Gomorrah all over. All our cities are.

Speaker 131 You don't even need to do anything.

Speaker 156 Just roll the camera.

Speaker 22 But you want a futuristic

Speaker 116 hellscape?

Speaker 22 I can name a couple of cities you can go to right now.

Speaker 48 Oh, no.

Speaker 48 San Francisco would be one of them.

Speaker 57 But it's Trump.

Speaker 32 Oh, no.

Speaker 88 So California Governor Gavin Newsom popped up. He was like, what?

Speaker 79 Hello?

Speaker 45 This is my industry.

Speaker 88 And he proposed something that the industry is already very used to, which is a tax credit.

Speaker 88 He wants a $7.5 billion tax credit to incentivize the film industry to create more films, to film them here in the U.S.

Speaker 88 And I have to say, there was this kind of post-labor strike flight from California when companies were like,

Speaker 88 I'm going to go make my streaming project somewhere else. So, like, the industry is hurting, right?

Speaker 116 Right, right.

Speaker 146 So, I think this is how President Trump has taken the stick approach.

Speaker 147 And something.

Speaker 32 The industry's not, the industry's hurting because of the whole model has changed with streaming companies.

Speaker 153 That's why the industry is hurting, right?

Speaker 29 Right.

Speaker 147 Like, a tax incentive would be the carrot approach. And it's so interesting because this conversation parallels with the one that's happening in the goods sector.

Speaker 147 Manufacturers that get inputs from abroad are asking, asking, you know, we want to make more stuff here.

Speaker 146 We'd love to.

Speaker 29 We'd love to.

Speaker 147 But it's not that easy. And instead of hitting us with a stick,

Speaker 157 can we get a carrot? You're just begging for carrots here.

Speaker 88 It's only Tuesday, Courtney.

Speaker 29 Okay.

Speaker 28 I mean,

Speaker 127 yes, that's what this is.

Speaker 160 These people can do nothing but complain.

Speaker 36 Exactly.

Speaker 22 This is a tax incentive.

Speaker 32 It's an incentive to make them in America.

Speaker 161 I don't want to sound all red, white, and bonkers here, but yes, this is a tax incentive.

Speaker 130 I like that.

Speaker 48 NPR. Show title.

Speaker 65 Red, white, and bonkers.

Speaker 103 NPR took it to the extreme, though.

Speaker 29 The film industry started the week with a little confusion.

Speaker 164 That was after President Trump announced on Truth Social that he was imposing a 100% tariff on movies produced outside the U.S.

Speaker 164 On Sunday night, he posted that, quote, the movie industry in America is dying a very fast death.

Speaker 164 Other countries are offering all sorts of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from the United States, unquote.

Speaker 163 NPR Entertainment correspondent Mandalit El Barco joins us now to talk about this.

Speaker 166 The basic question is probably going to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 29 What do you call it? That was funny.

Speaker 122 Pinsaging out

Speaker 163 to talk about this. So I, you know, Mandalit, the basic question is probably going to spring up more questions.
So how would a hundred percent tariff on films made outside the U.S.

Speaker 122 actually work?

Speaker 167 Yeah, that's exactly what everyone in Hollywood and in film and TV industries around the world would like to know. Yes.
President Trump's initial announcement was surprising.

Speaker 167 It left so many questions. Who would have to pay a tariff? The studios, studios, film distributors? Will ticket prices go up?

Speaker 167 Would this be for international films or for American films shooting or filming on location or on soundstages around the world? What about TV and streaming shows?

Speaker 167 There have been a lot of emergency closed-door meetings, group chats, and social media speculation.

Speaker 167 Studios have been quiet so far, but the head of IATSI, the union representing behind-the-scenes entertainment workers, says any plan must not harm the U.S. or Canadian film industries.

Speaker 75 Yeah, well, I want Fran Drescher to come out and start going, yeah, Mr.

Speaker 67 Trump, I can't wait.

Speaker 29 But of course, this is not, this is all because

Speaker 144 of his friends.

Speaker 163 The president says other countries are offering incentives to attract movie studios and filmmakers. So can you tell us about the incentives that he was referring to?

Speaker 163 I know that you have been reporting on this.

Speaker 167 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 167 And it's true that for decades, places like Canada, the UK, Australia, and really all over the world, they've offered productions generous tax incentives, rebates, and grants to shoot or film in their countries.

Speaker 167 Some have even built new soundstages to entice productions wanting to pay for

Speaker 167 the global incentives are a threat to the national security.

Speaker 163 Okay, so what are people overseas saying about this announcement from Trump?

Speaker 167 You can imagine a studios and unions around the world are worried that this could spell the end of their own production industries.

Speaker 167 Some wonder if countries will retaliate with their own tariffs on American films.

Speaker 167 Yesterday, President Trump told reporters he wants to meet the film industry in this country to make sure they're happy with his plan to bring back showbiz jobs.

Speaker 106 Hollywood doesn't do very much of that business. They have the nice side and everything's good, but they don't do very much.

Speaker 172 Yeah, so here's the clip about his friends.

Speaker 163 All right, so why do you think this issue came up at all for President Trump?

Speaker 134 Well, I'll give you a hint.

Speaker 167 John Voigt, Trump calls the actor one of his special ambassadors, along with Sylvia.

Speaker 79 John Voigt, universally hated by Hollywood.

Speaker 31 Universally hated by Hollywood.

Speaker 15 But oh, no.

Speaker 40 John Voigt, yes,

Speaker 84 he's to blame. Okay.

Speaker 174 Who loves the entertainment business, wants to see Hollywood thrive and make films bigger and greater than ever before.

Speaker 167 John Voigt says he presented Trump a plan to rescue the American film industry with federal tax incentives, co-production treaties with other countries, and subsidies for theater owners and film and TV production companies.

Speaker 167 Late last week, Voigt also met with California Senator Ben Allen, who co-authored a state bill that would expand film and TV incentives, along with California Governor Gavin Newsom's plan to more than double the state's production tax credits.

Speaker 167 Trump blamed the governor for allowing productions to leave California, but late last night, Newsom said in a statement that he wants to team up with the Trump administration to create a $7.5 billion federal film tax credit.

Speaker 176 everyone's all they've got all their panties in a bunch this is great they got they can you know oh let's talk about ourselves a lot

Speaker 31 yeah yeah yeah it's all john void's fault npr by the way they're making content for morons

Speaker 178 when it's certainly when are you still there yeah yeah but what what what do you mean well listen to this about tariffs just it's short treasury secretary scott beset will meet chinese economic officials this weekend in Switzerland.

Speaker 180 Besant says they'll likely talk about de-escalating the tariffs between the two nations.

Speaker 29 President Trump's trade war is taking a toll on cargo traffic across the Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 181 As NPR Scott Horsley reports, a significant number of the ships that were supposed to dock this month at the port of Los Angeles have been canceled.

Speaker 182 Rather than pay tariffs of 145 percent, many importers have put shipments from China on hold. The number of import containers passing through the port of L.A.

Speaker 182 this week is down about 35 from a year ago.

Speaker 182 While businesses tried to stockpile goods before the tariffs took effect, the port's executive director, Gene Soroka, expects those inventories will start to run out in four to six weeks.

Speaker 156 So if you go to the store and you're looking for a blue shirt, you may see a bunch of purple ones.

Speaker 30 You may not see that blue one in your size or style.

Speaker 74 And probably it will be more expensive than it was previously.

Speaker 182 Soroka says the trade war is also hurting exports, with fruit, nut, and wine growers in California's Central Valley reporting a steep drop in overseas sales. Scott Horsley, Empire News, Washington.

Speaker 183 No blue shirt for you.

Speaker 116 It'll be purple.

Speaker 156 I mean, seriously,

Speaker 29 these people are,

Speaker 42 you know, not to moan about him, but Horowitz is like this too.

Speaker 17 I heard the show.

Speaker 185 By the way, I reached out to him and I really tried to help him with his sound issues.

Speaker 29 He's got like a Rube Goldberg machine rigged up there.

Speaker 61 I'm like, what are you doing?

Speaker 178 Well, you know, I'd like to post-edit everything everything on separate tracks and put on a special little sauce on each and John's voice and my voice and everybody else's. I see, you're nuts.

Speaker 8 But he's,

Speaker 53 I heard him like, oh, there's no containers, 25% less containers. There's no ships.

Speaker 15 And you, Mr.

Speaker 177 Dry Man, have you noticed anything?

Speaker 156 No.

Speaker 36 No.

Speaker 132 Yeah, I am pushing back against it.

Speaker 95 Yes. I love it.

Speaker 29 His hair on fire approach to the whole thing.

Speaker 16 I love it.

Speaker 31 It's like, I mean, seriously, it is truly just junk.

Speaker 188 Most of the stuff we get is just junk.

Speaker 99 That's all.

Speaker 99 You know?

Speaker 188 Then we'll have less junk.

Speaker 150 I have one more from NBC, Meet the Press.

Speaker 193 Let me ask you about Mattel if I can, because I think this is where the rubber meets the road for us.

Speaker 29 Yes, the rubber meets the road.

Speaker 12 The rubber meets the road with Mattel.

Speaker 29 By the way, the CEO of Mattel,

Speaker 195 he's like a weird guy.

Speaker 190 He's like, that's a joint.

Speaker 185 I talk like this.

Speaker 55 Yes, we like to make toys for the children.

Speaker 138 It's like one of our guys.

Speaker 152 A lot of American consumers.

Speaker 198 The CEO of Mattel.

Speaker 199 He's running Mattel.

Speaker 36 I'm sorry.

Speaker 132 Comic strip blogger is running Mattel.

Speaker 49 He'd probably do a better job.

Speaker 22 A lot of American consumers, right?

Speaker 102 The CEO of Mattel said that he does not expect manufacturing to move to the U.S., but does expect the consumers here will pay more.

Speaker 200 Can you walk us through that?

Speaker 102 I mean, that's what we're hearing broadly from companies right now, whether it's in private or publicly, making those sort of assessments.

Speaker 203 Well, the analogy is relevant because we just heard from the president a few days ago describe the situation for Americans as one where you might not be able to buy $30 for your daughter.

Speaker 203 You'll only be able to buy two, and maybe those two will cost a few more dollars.

Speaker 166 And essentially, what Mattel is saying is that's exactly what's going to happen here because they say you might have to take pricing.

Speaker 203 That's the kind of corporate speak, if you will, for having to raise the price tags at

Speaker 58 Meet the Press.

Speaker 35 Thank you for this inside lingo lesson.

Speaker 9 Pricing is code for raising the price.

Speaker 74 Thank you.

Speaker 203 That's the kind of corporate speak, if you will, for having to raise the price tags at the store for not just Barbies, but also things like Hot Wheels that Mattel produces as well.

Speaker 166 What's also interesting, though, about the politics of all this is that as the president is trying to use these tariffs to essentially whack the American companies with incentives to produce here domestically, we have companies that are saying, yeah, certainly we're going to try to move things around so we don't have to pay 145% tariff on things coming out of China.

Speaker 166 But instead of moving into the U.S., we're just going to move it to other places in the world.

Speaker 203 That's what Mattel said in the earnings call.

Speaker 166 They're going to try to diversify away from China, but they didn't say it would come to the U.S., they're just going to move it to other countries.

Speaker 166 Kind of similar story with Apple and other companies that have

Speaker 203 very much been in the spotlight here with regards to whether or not they're producing here in the U.S. They're just saying, yeah, we're just going to not do it in China.

Speaker 36 We'll just move it to another country.

Speaker 35 Wow. Thank you.

Speaker 27 That's the whole plan, dude.

Speaker 16 Stop where's that that from?

Speaker 32 That was Meet the Press, NBC.

Speaker 201 It sounded more like a CNBC guy and too much coffee.

Speaker 142 Yeah.

Speaker 152 I tried to clip the CNBC lady with the CEO of Mattel, but he was just, you know, well, you know, and just going, ah, well, you know,

Speaker 148 we have been waiting for this. We've been prepared for many, many quarters.
We are a great company.

Speaker 55 You sell

Speaker 189 plastic stuff to children.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 209 It may be important for people to invest in the companies, but I just don't see the importance in the big scheme of life.

Speaker 211 I don't understand why they have nothing.

Speaker 212 They don't make nothing here.

Speaker 213 It's an American company.

Speaker 71 Yes. They're an El Segundo.

Speaker 31 Yes, I know.

Speaker 132 They started in 1945, an American company.

Speaker 137 They make nothing here.

Speaker 215 Thanks for that.

Speaker 29 I knew a woman who worked there.

Speaker 15 She was high up in the marketing department.

Speaker 32 When they had the female CEO, they kicked her out.

Speaker 84 I mean, the female CEO.

Speaker 196 Just like, no, no, she didn't do a good job.

Speaker 172 She tried to do all kinds of weird stuff with the Barbie, if I recall.

Speaker 42 She might have done the trans Barbie.

Speaker 28 Didn't we have that at some point?

Speaker 201 The Trans Barbie?

Speaker 208 I think so.

Speaker 45 I don't think so.

Speaker 44 I think we did.

Speaker 217 It's funny, though.

Speaker 130 I like it.

Speaker 71 It's a good idea.

Speaker 133 I think you probably sell it to me.

Speaker 26 I have a feeling we did have a trans Barbie.

Speaker 188 I could be wrong.

Speaker 11 The company was incorporated in Hawthorne in 1948.

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 94 And the big hit, what was their big hit?

Speaker 38 The one that really got them going?

Speaker 50 Made by them?

Speaker 66 The Magic 8 Ball.

Speaker 45 Ooh, really?

Speaker 198 1950. Yeah.

Speaker 61 Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 122 I had one.

Speaker 126 I had a Magic 8 Ball when I was a kid.

Speaker 48 I think I still do.

Speaker 36 So, on that topic, just because you are the one who was very closely involved with a young person of Mattel product using age,

Speaker 219 what did you wind up getting for Theodorable for his birthday?

Speaker 20 Well,

Speaker 130 I can't tell you because his birthday party that's where he gets his gifts, which was, of course, he's a Sanco de Mayo, baby.

Speaker 39 It won't be until this Friday.

Speaker 27 What?

Speaker 15 He's listening to the show and you're going to blow the surprise or you just haven't bought anything yet?

Speaker 100 No, no, we got a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 222 Well, what did you get?

Speaker 20 Mostly toys that have something to do with Minecraft.

Speaker 45 Oh.

Speaker 16 Okay.

Speaker 195 I thought you were getting him socks.

Speaker 160 I was going to get socks, but then Mimi bought a bunch of stuff, and I said, oh, I always put my name on half of the stuff.

Speaker 49 You told me after the show, I'm going to get him a sweater and then socks.

Speaker 195 I'm like, you

Speaker 30 are the worst grandfather ever.

Speaker 212 I watched that I should be getting to be the granddad and get the kids' socks.

Speaker 34 And then the other joke was: I told Jay, I said, I think I'm going to get him a bottle of wine.

Speaker 195 I told you, like, do not get the kids' socks and a sweater.

Speaker 142 He's going to resent you.

Speaker 92 In fact, I sent you a link to the 130 projects in one.

Speaker 191 Did you see that?

Speaker 121 Yeah, no.

Speaker 27 No, I know. Why no?

Speaker 121 Yes, no.

Speaker 223 Yes, no. Okay.

Speaker 152 I thought that was a good idea.

Speaker 206 It is a good idea, and I'm going to get him for Christmas.

Speaker 6 I'm going to get him that gift.

Speaker 71 Oh, okay. All right, good.

Speaker 51 But so you basically, Mimi went out and bought a whole bunch of junk from China for him.

Speaker 29 It's way to get it.

Speaker 83 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 225 A bunch of junk from China.

Speaker 30 I love that.

Speaker 94 Before the tariffs.

Speaker 135 So that, you know, let's get in under the wire.

Speaker 160 Come on. I'm not a crazy guy.

Speaker 226 I love that you're indoctrinating him into the long-standing Dvorak family tradition of not celebrating on the day itself.

Speaker 56 No, kid, you're going going to celebrate on Friday.

Speaker 130 He's got a celebration.

Speaker 71 He had his birthday party with his little friends over there at the other place.

Speaker 224 Where his friends brought him cheap junk from China.

Speaker 73 No doubt. No doubt.

Speaker 10 Hey, today's VE Day.

Speaker 100 Nobody's talking about that.

Speaker 132 No. Of course today and tomorrow.

Speaker 94 There's two VE Days.

Speaker 213 One, it turns out there's one today. We got no donations for it, but there's one today, Victory in Europe Day.

Speaker 100 That was ours and England's, but the the Russians call it the ninth.

Speaker 160 They say it's the ninth, and the Russians are the ones who beat the Germans, not us.

Speaker 169 The Russians are celebrating today,

Speaker 75 but they're not celebrating that.

Speaker 27 They are celebrating something else.

Speaker 75 Do you know what they celebrate on the 8th of May?

Speaker 45 This is very.

Speaker 183 They celebrate the 8th.

Speaker 140 Yes, correct.

Speaker 228 Mongolia's president touches down in Moscow, the latest in a succession of heads of state to arrive ahead of festivities marking the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Speaker 228 Not all of them had smooth journeys getting there. After Russia and Ukraine traded a barrage of drone attacks

Speaker 228 and hundreds of flights, the Kremlin was forced to say it was taking all necessary measures to ensure the safety of foreign leaders, more than two dozen of whom are expected, at Russia's flagship Victory Day parade, an opportunity into the bargain for President Vladimir Putin to hold a bilateral meeting with the likes of Brazil, Serbia, and Venezuela.

Speaker 222 I would like to convey to you the special feelings of admiration of the Venezuelan people three years after the victory in the Great Patriotic War.

Speaker 113 We have promising areas of cooperation.

Speaker 116 They are obvious.

Speaker 228 But the main guest, as Vladimir Putin called him, is Chinese President Xi Jinping, who's in town for four days.

Speaker 228 A hundred or so soldiers from China's army rehearsed in Moscow ahead of the military parade Friday, their participation highlighting the ever-closer relationship.

Speaker 228 relationship between the two countries.

Speaker 231 To better display the friendship between China and Russia, we've also learned to perform classic Russian songs.

Speaker 228 Russia's become increasingly dependent economically on China as Western countries have sought to diplomatically isolate Putin after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Speaker 228 Western leaders from key allied victors in World War II will not be attending on Friday. Not even Donald Trump, who nonetheless hasn't ruled out visiting Moscow someday.

Speaker 154 It's 80 on the 8th.

Speaker 75 That I didn't know they celebrated that.

Speaker 19 The 80th anniversary of the fall of the Third Reich.

Speaker 36 So they celebrate a day early and everybody flew in.

Speaker 122 Yeah, well, that's the only thing.

Speaker 29 Everybody came in for the party.

Speaker 104 Yes, everybody, but our people.

Speaker 100 We don't even.

Speaker 130 Here's a BBC report.

Speaker 104 This is VE Day, BBC.

Speaker 90 Well,

Speaker 68 isn't that Poppy Day?

Speaker 31 Don't they wear the Poppies? They wear the Poppies.

Speaker 14 The Poppy Days is some something else.

Speaker 45 Armistay.

Speaker 17 Armistice. I think that's World War I.

Speaker 29 Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 36 Wrong war.

Speaker 232 Events will take place across Europe on Thursday to mark the 80th anniversary of VE Day.

Speaker 232 On the 8th of May in 1945, radio announcements in France and Britain declared the war against Nazi Germany had ended. The anniversary will be marked in Russia on Friday.

Speaker 224 I just remembered why the woman got fired at Mattel. She tried to make the lifelike Barbie.

Speaker 189 That's what it was.

Speaker 233 Like the nipples?

Speaker 27 Well, no. No.

Speaker 224 Well, that would have been more lifelike than the cheap Barbie doll they have.

Speaker 84 No, no.

Speaker 22 Regular length legs, pawns.

Speaker 34 Oh, that's no good.

Speaker 12 They would look like a runt.

Speaker 169 That's what she tried to do.

Speaker 140 Life like Barbie.

Speaker 56 No, nobody wants that.

Speaker 178 Nobody wants that.

Speaker 94 So anyway, back to the VE day.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 159 It's like 80th anniversary, the end of the war, beat Hitler, all this.

Speaker 234 Where's our, we got nothing?

Speaker 122 No.

Speaker 75 Well, didn't President Trump declare something?

Speaker 178 He must have declared something.

Speaker 20 I don't know that he did.

Speaker 44 This morning he was on talking yak, yak, yak, and the complete morning, took over a couple of shows on Fox.

Speaker 72 Yeah, yeah, Victory Day, a proclamation.

Speaker 36 Hey, listen.

Speaker 20 He's talking about today, he's talking about the deal with UK.

Speaker 130 They had a trade deal.

Speaker 29 Oh,

Speaker 22 I have the Kirstarmer clips.

Speaker 8 This was great.

Speaker 36 Hold on a second.

Speaker 209 Wait, where's Kirstarmer?

Speaker 41 This was so funny.

Speaker 170 Was it under tariffs, but for some reason?

Speaker 74 Oh,

Speaker 73 wait.

Speaker 202 Thought I had a Keir Starmer clip.

Speaker 2 Cure.

Speaker 208 Yes.

Speaker 36 No, that's old.

Speaker 236 Huh.

Speaker 29 That's not.

Speaker 237 Now I know I have Kearney, but I thought I had Keir.

Speaker 23 Well, I do have a different Keir clip,

Speaker 92 which was equally disturbing,

Speaker 49 only for India, which we probably should talk about.

Speaker 132 India

Speaker 34 and Pakistan are about to blow each other up.

Speaker 185 Here's GB news about the latest deal Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of Britain, made with India.

Speaker 238 Has Sir Keir Starmer just sold Britain to the Indians without a single shot being fired?

Speaker 239 The Prime Minister announced a bumper new trade deal.

Speaker 29 Bumper!

Speaker 240 Well, this is a historic day for the United Kingdom and for India,

Speaker 240 because this is the biggest trade deal that we, the UK, have done since we left the EU.

Speaker 240 and it's the most ambitious trade deal that India has ever done and this will be measured in billions of pounds into our economy and jobs across the whole of the United Kingdom.

Speaker 240 So it is a really important significant day.

Speaker 238 The Prime Minister said that it is fantastic news for British business, British workers and British shoppers and then the whole thing seemed to unravel.

Speaker 239 The Indian government released a statement hailing it as a massive win when it came to helping Indians move to Britain.

Speaker 239 It's emerged that Indian workers who move to Britain and British workers going to India will pay no national insurance for the first three years.

Speaker 238 Summer and Reeves raised national insurance for Brits. Well, what could this mean? A huge influx of Indian workers into Britain.

Speaker 238 Employers can pay them less, so fewer jobs for British workers and lower wages for British workers. Labour says this doesn't change the immigration rules.

Speaker 29 The Indian government says it does. Indian yogis, musicians, and chefs will be able to apply for UK skilled worker visas.

Speaker 30 So if you're Indian...

Speaker 130 take the yogi jobs away from the Brits?

Speaker 153 No, but the point is,

Speaker 29 yes, they will because

Speaker 71 those are jokes. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 209 But it doesn't matter, probably more tech jobs, finance jobs, because

Speaker 79 they literally pay less tax.

Speaker 29 He is stimulating Indian immigration. The last thing the British people want.

Speaker 38 No, the British people, they don't want to be British anymore.

Speaker 100 They want nothing but Pakistanis and Indians and Africans running the country.

Speaker 202 That's why my buddy Michelle is selling the club.

Speaker 84 He's selling the club. He's getting out.

Speaker 132 He's selling the club. He's giving up.

Speaker 31 He's, yep, he says, I can't do it.

Speaker 53 He says, I'm selling the club.

Speaker 22 There's nothing but, but

Speaker 29 I don't want to repeat exactly what he said.

Speaker 104 I'm sure it was very racist and mean.

Speaker 172 Very racist, very racist about clientele.

Speaker 218 And,

Speaker 177 you know, and in general, he says people aren't going out anymore.

Speaker 32 They can't afford it.

Speaker 36 We have all these rules and regulations.

Speaker 107 He's selling the club.

Speaker 103 He's moving to permanently to the south of France, France.

Speaker 151 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The south of France. There you go.
Yeah,

Speaker 29 he's done.

Speaker 117 He's done.

Speaker 210 He said, I can't do it anymore.

Speaker 46 And this will only make it worse.

Speaker 32 You know, it was interesting because the Netherlands had this when I moved back in 99,

Speaker 32 and I didn't know this at the time, but I got a 30% tax break in the Netherlands because they were trying to get Americans to move to Holland.

Speaker 245 And I paid 30% less tax just because of my passport.

Speaker 29 Than the local?

Speaker 100 Doesn't have to still pay American taxes?

Speaker 84 No, we have a trade deal.

Speaker 22 So if you pay taxes overseas and there's a deal, a tax deal, then you don't have to pay tax.

Speaker 80 You don't pay double tax.

Speaker 245 So

Speaker 210 I just paid less taxes because it was a stimulative measure, which I didn't know anything about at the time.

Speaker 177 So this is exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 177 And

Speaker 225 they just seem to load up on the Indians.

Speaker 220 Yes.

Speaker 95 That's about it.

Speaker 75 By the way, President Trump did proclaim yesterday Victory Day for World War II, or today.

Speaker 177 He proclaimed it today.

Speaker 22 By the virtue and authority vested in him by the Constitution of the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim May 8th, today, 2025, as a day in celebration of Victory Day for World War II.

Speaker 142 So he's all in.

Speaker 130 Yeah, Celebrate.

Speaker 102 What's the celebration consist of?

Speaker 75 Nothing. Everyone went to Russia.

Speaker 36 Everyone said, I'm sorry, I wanted to come to the White House, but I already told Vladimir I'd show up at his place. So you understand, don't you?

Speaker 36 That's what happened.

Speaker 122 Well.

Speaker 68 All right, I'll kick us off with a quick overview of India versus Pakistan because this is starting to look pretty bad.

Speaker 246 Now to writhing tensions between India and Pakistan. India firing

Speaker 246 missiles at Pakistan after a terrorist attack that India claims

Speaker 246 originated from Pakistani territory. Our chief war correspondent, Ian Panel, has the latest.
Good morning, Ian.

Speaker 248 Yeah, good morning, Michael. These two nuclear-armed nations exchanging fire overnight and again this morning, amid fears this could spiral out of control.

Speaker 248 India firing missiles into Pakistan, striking nine targets.

Speaker 248 Pakistan saying 26 people have been killed, over 40 others wounded, calling it an act of war, saying its military has been authorized to respond.

Speaker 248 India insisting its attack was measured, non-escalatory, and that no military facilities were hit, just what it calls terrorist infrastructure.

Speaker 248 India's strikes, though, were coming in response to that deadly attack on tourists in Indian-controlled Kashmir last month that left more than two dozen people dead.

Speaker 248 India blaming Pakistan militants, but Pakistan now saying it shot down five India fighter jets overnight and hit military targets. Then no evidence has been produced.

Speaker 248 Now, it is a highly volatile situation, dangerous for both sides, China and the U.S., both urging restraint.

Speaker 245 Now, if I they didn't report this, but if I understood it was Pakistan who attacked in the disputed Kashmir region and killed like 20-plus tourists, right?

Speaker 113 Isn't that what kicked all of this off?

Speaker 100 Well, that's my understanding of something like that.

Speaker 50 Now, the reporting is piss-poor.

Speaker 48 I have a couple of people.

Speaker 97 Is there a beach or something in Kashmir?

Speaker 210 What is the attraction of vacationing in the Kashmir region?

Speaker 71 It's got to be the weather.

Speaker 27 I guess.

Speaker 35 I've never considered it.

Speaker 84 Okay, what do you have?

Speaker 129 I got two reports, but let's play this.

Speaker 71 This is the BBC World Service.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 215 This Pakistan India long version.

Speaker 217 This is the 20th long by long.

Speaker 20 The BBC World Service is interesting.

Speaker 217 Let me explain

Speaker 34 how they do their reporting.

Speaker 20 First,

Speaker 171 they'll do three versions of the exact same story.

Speaker 104 The first version, which is usually pretty good, it's very concise.

Speaker 249 It's about nine seconds.

Speaker 154 There's war in the Kashmir region.

Speaker 132 And then

Speaker 100 there is the 30-second longer one, which is the one I'm going to have here.

Speaker 38 And then they go on to like one that goes on for six, seven, eight minutes where they break it down and they yak, yak, yak.

Speaker 160 And you don't get anything more.

Speaker 100 The second version, this kind of semi-long version, gives you all the details they're really going to ever have.

Speaker 71 Here it is.

Speaker 232 Pakistan's prime minister has said the country's military had made its reply following last night's Indian missile strikes on targets in Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

Speaker 232 Speaking during an address to the nation, Shabazz Sharif referred to Pakistan's earlier claim that it had shot down five Indian fighter jets, and he said Delhi had misjudged Pakistan's determination to fight back.

Speaker 232 India has not confirmed the reports.

Speaker 95 I mean, Pakistan was literally saying for days, they're going to strike, they're going to strike, they're going to strike, and they did.

Speaker 35 I don't think the undermess underestimated anything, they knew it was coming.

Speaker 188 It's a mess.

Speaker 124 And if you're an Indian.

Speaker 34 And then they had these stick fights.

Speaker 217 You know about this? I haven't got any reports on it.

Speaker 223 Stick fights.

Speaker 94 You don't know about the stick fights? No.

Speaker 104 They have right at the border, there's some sort of a border dispute here throughout Kashmir.

Speaker 160 And they come out,

Speaker 100 the Pakistani and an Indian, they both come out with sticks, and then they start fighting each other as everybody watches.

Speaker 131 Really?

Speaker 66 And then the winner of that fight goes back, and then the next challenger comes out.

Speaker 75 And then they send an F-16.

Speaker 159 And it, well, yes,

Speaker 34 at some point, they drop an A-bomb, but it starts with these stick fights.

Speaker 219 Wow, that's like, that's so juvenile.

Speaker 92 We used to have stick fights, rock fights.

Speaker 92 Hmm.

Speaker 15 I don't know what they're up to.

Speaker 172 I have the NPR report if you can bear it.

Speaker 26 It's not long, luckily.

Speaker 189 Yeah, let's hear it.

Speaker 51 That doesn't sound like a stick to me.

Speaker 251 That sounds like a fighter jet taken off.

Speaker 164 Nice snap off. India struck multiple targets across Pakistan in the most extensive strikes in more than 50 years.

Speaker 164 It comes after India blamed Pakistan for an attack that killed 26 people in late April. Pakistan denies any connection.

Speaker 164 Its military has retaliated by firing into parts of Indian-held Kashmir, and it claims it has downed five Indian aircraft.

Speaker 164 The Associated Press reports that more than 30 people were killed in Pakistan. India says three people were killed on their side.

Speaker 163 On the line with us is MPR's Dia Hadid. She covers Pakistan and India from her base in Mumbai.
Dia, tell us about these strikes.

Speaker 165 They happened overnight, Call.

Speaker 252 Well, India's army says it struck militant training camps and what they call terror infrastructure. And many of those strikes were in Pakistani-held Kashmir.

Speaker 252 But Pakistan says the strikes mostly hit mosques and part of a hydropower dam.

Speaker 252 One prominent Pakistani militant says one of the strikes targeted his relatives and killed 14 people, including women and children.

Speaker 29 And that was in a small town in the USA.

Speaker 133 Well, stop the clip.

Speaker 20 The way she presents is, she says,

Speaker 90 but the strikes only

Speaker 12 hit mosques and a dam.

Speaker 26 Yeah, it doesn't count.

Speaker 188 It's just mosques and a dam.

Speaker 249 Yeah, it's pretty substantial.

Speaker 224 Well, I think what she's saying is it didn't kill people because she goes straight into the it killed the guys, it wiped out the guy's family.

Speaker 133 This is so typical of war reporting.

Speaker 79 You know, what I, what kind of was glossed over here was

Speaker 29 India said we didn't do it.

Speaker 29 It could be false flags.

Speaker 253 Pakistan said we didn't do it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 217 Well, the point is that there could be false flags every which way.

Speaker 194 Yes, well, why?

Speaker 132 This whole thing, the stick fighting, the whole thing could be just bull crap.

Speaker 159 And she's in Mumbai.

Speaker 104 There's nowhere near.

Speaker 100 It's not walking distance, that's for sure, to Kashmir.

Speaker 217 The whole thing is like,

Speaker 160 why don't you be reporting from Sacramento?

Speaker 221 I mean, it's ludicrous.

Speaker 22 I want a report on the stick fights.

Speaker 27 I mean,

Speaker 244 what a great angle.

Speaker 37 It is. Well, let's finish this.

Speaker 252 And many of those strikes were in Pakistani-held Kashmir. But Pakistan says the strikes mostly hit mosques and part of a hydropower dam.

Speaker 252 One prominent Pakistani militant says one of the strikes targeted his relatives and killed 14 people, including women and children. And that was in a small town in southern Pakistan.

Speaker 252 And it's really important to say here where these strikes took place. Some were deep in Pakistan.
One was near the country's second largest city.

Speaker 210 Yeah, there's not, I can't find anything on the stick fights.

Speaker 23 That's an angle I'm very interested in.

Speaker 65 Here's the second follow-up to this about what is coming next.

Speaker 163 Now, could all this maybe quiet down or do folks there expect more military actions?

Speaker 252 I guess the problem here is with strikes so deep in Pakistan and with this death toll, Pakistan may feel like it must respond to show people that its army isn't weak.

Speaker 252 So analyst Praveen Dante with the International Crisis Group says other countries have to step in.

Speaker 254 I'm afraid if the international community doesn't step in, especially the U.S., then we're only seeing the beginning of these escalatory strikes.

Speaker 252 For now, President Trump has said he hopes this ends quickly, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio says he's closely monitoring the situation. Yeah.

Speaker 252 All right.

Speaker 122 Rubio.

Speaker 64 I'm monitoring it.

Speaker 16 Okay.

Speaker 15 It doesn't really mean anything.

Speaker 209 And meanwhile, we hear nothing on this is total silence now on Ukraine.

Speaker 23 We don't know what's going on there.

Speaker 36 Oh, even though, oh, actually, I do have Queen Ursula.

Speaker 66 We have Russia New Attacks we can play. That's another BBC.

Speaker 74 Okay.

Speaker 74 All right.

Speaker 255 Let's try that one.

Speaker 189 You have two versions of it.

Speaker 217 Yeah, they're both exactly the same time.

Speaker 250 I think it's the same clip.

Speaker 139 Let me see.

Speaker 213 Just play New Attacks BBC. Okay.

Speaker 232 The Ukrainian Air Force says Russian aircraft launched guided bombs on the Sumi region of northern Ukraine shortly after a Kremlin-sponsored unilateral ceasefire officially took effect.

Speaker 232 The Ukrainian claim hasn't been confirmed. Russia says its three-day ceasefire is timed to coincide with Second World War commemorations.

Speaker 232 Kiev rejects the truths, but has repeated its call for a longer 30-day ceasefire. The Ukrainian MP, Lisa Yasko, said that a short ceasefire was pointless.

Speaker 256 Three days costs nothing to him. It costs like, oh, a joke, you know.
A joke.

Speaker 256 To have a longer ceasefire, depending on what is the militaristic and the personal goal for Kremlines, can be possible, but there is no single sign that they are going to do that anytime soon.

Speaker 22 So let me ask you a question, a historical question about Russia, Russian gas, or let's just call it Russian energy being sent to Europe.

Speaker 114 In your recollection,

Speaker 32 did Russia use that as a kludge continuously against Europe, saying, we're going to shut it off, we're going to shut it off, we're going to shut it off?

Speaker 120 No. Do you ever recall?

Speaker 148 I mean, I remember,

Speaker 27 I think it might have been you.

Speaker 101 I can go back. My memory starts with,

Speaker 34 and I think this probably had a little bit to do with when I was working in an oil refinery.

Speaker 199 But my memory

Speaker 48 goes back to the point, and I can't give you a year or anything, but before Russia had any energy sector that was worth a crap, and we kept trying to beg, borrow and steal to get in and help Russia produce, get their energy sector up,

Speaker 32 get it up and out. Yeah.

Speaker 137 And because it was assumed that they had more, it was this, I just, again, this is just off the top of my head.

Speaker 121 I don't remember the details.

Speaker 217 But it was assumed that they had more

Speaker 100 gross energy total than Saudi Arabia

Speaker 102 that they were just sitting on because they didn't have American and European, or especially American expertise on how to get it up, pump it out, and ship it all over the place.

Speaker 160 And so we kept begging to get in and begging to get in.

Speaker 100 After the fall of communism, at some point, Gorbachev or somebody let the Chevron and all these guys, these hot shots, go in there and teach the Russians how to do it.

Speaker 44 And from then on, they became, they said, look at all this free money we're getting because they just started pumping like crazy.

Speaker 201 They weren't using it as leverage, they were using it to make money.

Speaker 138 And they got pretty rich during that period.

Speaker 14 And I don't know that they've ever threatened to stop it.

Speaker 97 So

Speaker 51 if I just look back in our archive eclipse, the only one that comes close,

Speaker 24 actually, I don't think I can. Let me see.

Speaker 188 Russia gas?

Speaker 185 Because it would be gas, obviously.

Speaker 69 Did they, I don't think they ever really

Speaker 55 ever really used it as a gas.

Speaker 105 I mean, they were, it was like

Speaker 84 the Germans loved it because they were getting gas.

Speaker 160 Yeah, Merkel and don't forget, Merkel and Putin both spoke German and both both spoke French and she always not French but Russian she spoke fluent Russian yeah and they already they got along famously and they started and the Germans were smart enough to get as much of that gas cheap gas as they could because it was just a straight it was straight shot that something happened well and and what and what they loved doing was they loved

Speaker 97 sending the gas to Germany and Germany would send Mercedes-Benzes back that was that was that was the whole that was kind of the round robin they all loved so Ursula, Queen Ursula, in the European Parliament this past week, she's changing history.

Speaker 169 And she's now making it sound like this war was because Russia was playing kind of smart games with their gas.

Speaker 153 And

Speaker 103 that was a problem.

Speaker 19 She even gives us the years when it happened.

Speaker 259 I also know that some are still saying that we should reopen the tap of Russian gas and oil. This would be a mistake of historic dimensions, and we would never let it happen.

Speaker 259 This has to be very clear, too.

Speaker 108 Yes,

Speaker 43 because

Speaker 259 Russia has proven time and again that it is not a reliable supplier. Putin has already cut gas flows to Europe in 2006, 2009, 2014, 2021, and throughout the war.

Speaker 259 How many times before they learned the lesson? Really? Dependency on Russia is not only valuable for our security.

Speaker 101 We talked about this a lot on the show.

Speaker 100 This show's been on for so long, We can do this.

Speaker 71 It's great.

Speaker 11 It was, they weren't paying their bills.

Speaker 260 Yes, Ukraine wasn't paying the bill.

Speaker 123 Yes, that's the only thing I remember.

Speaker 169 Ukraine was, and they'd still let it go through.

Speaker 46 And

Speaker 172 the Russians kept saying, hey, you know, you really got to pay your bill.

Speaker 79 You really got to pay your bill.

Speaker 125 But they kept the gas flowing at all times.

Speaker 27 I can remember this.

Speaker 63 Yeah.

Speaker 123 And now she's saying, 2021, 2022.

Speaker 75 When did we blow up the Nord Stream pipeline?

Speaker 148 When did we do that?

Speaker 36 That certainly stopped stopped Russian gas.

Speaker 64 Now, this is a lie.

Speaker 259 In 2006, 2009, 2014, 2021, and throughout the war. She's a horror.
Many times before they learned the lesson. Dependency on Russia is not only bad for our security, but also for our economy.

Speaker 259 Our energy prices cannot be dictated by a hostile neighbor.

Speaker 79 Well, they're being dictated by you with your windmills and your solar panels.

Speaker 100 Hitler and drag.

Speaker 27 Hitler was smarter than this.

Speaker 63 He didn't ruin the economy that way.

Speaker 84 They ruined it in other ways.

Speaker 126 You know, killed a bunch of people in the economy.

Speaker 150 But she's going crazy over there because

Speaker 97 she's taken

Speaker 209 what President Trump is doing with the really, which I think we've now deduce is about the endowments and about not giving money to universities who have $100 billion sitting around,

Speaker 186 giving them money, whereas they're spending almost nothing

Speaker 42 on making it cheaper for kids to get an education.

Speaker 150 Education in what is the next question.

Speaker 80 Instead,

Speaker 22 all these young students are all indebted for the rest of their life.

Speaker 63 And she turns that around and says, Trump hates science.

Speaker 262 Making Europe a network for researchers. This is the ambition of the Choose Europe strategy presented by the President of the European Commission at the Sorbonne University in Paris.

Speaker 262 Although she did not explicitly refer to the attacks on academic freedom in the U.S., Ursula von der Leyen.

Speaker 32 Oh, oh, oh, it's attacks on academic freedom, which apparently is in the Constitution.

Speaker 52 Attacks on economic academic freedom.

Speaker 233 This is rich.

Speaker 262 At the Sorbonne University in Paris, although she did not explicitly refer to the attacks on academic freedom in the U.S., Ursula von der Leyen announced that she wanted to enshrine the freedom of scientific research in a new European Act.

Speaker 8 This is great. I'll listen to what she has to say here

Speaker 259 is to ensure that science in Europe remains open and free.

Speaker 259 This is our calling card. We must do everything we can to uphold it now, more than ever before.

Speaker 259 We want to strengthen the free movement of knowledge and data across Europe, just as we do for goods, talents, and capital across our single market.

Speaker 262 The European Commission puts on the table a 500 million Euro package.

Speaker 29 The largest

Speaker 262 objective is to spend 3% of EU GDP on research and development investment by 2030. However, researchers believe that there are other elements to be considered.

Speaker 263 Anybody who comes and they come into one country, they should also then be able to move to any other country with their pensions

Speaker 74 with all their entire

Speaker 263 things. Mobility, infrastructure,

Speaker 263 and funding.

Speaker 262 Finally, the Commission wants to cut red tape to support research and innovation, even though clear lows can be an asset, according to this researcher.

Speaker 264 We have that regulatory certainty that is missing in a lot of other places, and especially in the US.

Speaker 264 And I think this can not only give more confidence to consumers, but may also give more confidence to researchers and

Speaker 108 business people.

Speaker 184 I'm glad you caught that.

Speaker 265 That was my question, too.

Speaker 75 It's like, this is good for consumers to have your tax money be spent on a bunch of people testing stuff on mice.

Speaker 185 I'm not against scientific research, but let's be a little realistic here.

Speaker 264 We have that regulatory certainty that is missing in a lot of other places, and especially in the U.S.

Speaker 264 And I think this can give not only should give more confidence to consumers, but may also give more confidence to researchers and to business people that

Speaker 264 they know the limits and the opportunities that they have, given

Speaker 31 this god, it's a bunch of intellectual

Speaker 31 intellectuals looking for a free ride.

Speaker 40 There's money for his part.

Speaker 262 Emmanuel Macron announced that the French state would invest an additional 100 million euros in RD by 2030.

Speaker 262 The French president was more direct in his condemnation, not hesitating to call the abolition of research programs in the United States a mistake on the pretext that they use the term diversity.

Speaker 233 Oh, okay.

Speaker 42 So, Trump very bad because you look different.

Speaker 209 He doesn't want to fund you.

Speaker 178 That's the message.

Speaker 35 Okay, Macron.

Speaker 29 Have you seen your wife?

Speaker 251 Not to be mean about it.

Speaker 42 You're mean. I'm very mean.

Speaker 15 And then Mr.

Speaker 150 Peepers, whoa, this was a very European move.

Speaker 77 Mr. Peepers was not elected

Speaker 78 Bund's counselor by his own coalition, and they did the typical European thing.

Speaker 196 You need to vote over because you voted wrong.

Speaker 266 Conservative leader Friedrich Mertz has been elected the new German Chancellor in the second round of voting in the Bundestag.

Speaker 266 His previous failure to win support in the German parliament was the first in the country's post-war history.

Speaker 266 Mertz needed a majority of 316 out of 630 votes, well short of the 328 seats held by his coalition.

Speaker 266 That coalition is led by Mertz's centre-right Christian Democratic Union and its Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union.

Speaker 266 They were joined by former Chancellor Olaf Schulz's centre-left Social Democrats.

Speaker 266 Because the first round was a secret ballot, it was not immediately clear and might never be known who had defected from Merz's camp.

Speaker 266 The far-right alternative for Germany has demanded Mertz step aside and called for fresh elections following his historic defeat.

Speaker 64 What What are the chances someone went around at night and said, hey, look at this picture?

Speaker 59 I think you voted wrong.

Speaker 12 I think you voted wrong.

Speaker 75 And was only the first round secret and the second one wasn't?

Speaker 142 Is that what they did?

Speaker 93 That's what they kind of hinted at.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 114 Oh, oh, well, now that it's not a secret ballot, I better get in line with the party.

Speaker 233 Europe is sick.

Speaker 244 I feel very bad

Speaker 41 for all my European friends. It's sick.

Speaker 29 It's just sick.

Speaker 12 They've brought it on themselves.

Speaker 27 I know.

Speaker 15 Well, yes, because they don't stand up and say, hey, enough with this.

Speaker 191 Enough?

Speaker 23 Nope, they don't.

Speaker 23 Boy.

Speaker 267 No, it saddens me, I have to say.

Speaker 48 Okay.

Speaker 130 Well, what else we got? I got a lot of Pope clips where they

Speaker 29 do.

Speaker 104 I saw them. You doing me no good.

Speaker 63 You were Pope Heavy and you got knocked out of the ring.

Speaker 31 I did. Yeah,

Speaker 84 I saw you with all the Pope clips.

Speaker 251 I'm like, well, I got one Pope clip.

Speaker 150 Like, I wasn't even going to do any Pope stuff.

Speaker 197 Yeah, I got screwed on that deal.

Speaker 121 Yeah, you did. You did.

Speaker 115 What's interesting is that we both appear to have clipped the CBS morning show

Speaker 36 about this absolute,

Speaker 53 unbelievable advertisement for the Shingles vaccine.

Speaker 198 Yes.

Speaker 145 And in fact, we'll use your clips, but I had

Speaker 16 a,

Speaker 251 I was going to lead into it.

Speaker 41 It's probably the same ones.

Speaker 100 I don't know how much they paid for this, but it was, I think it was about a four-minute spot.

Speaker 172 Well, here, here's the, here's what aired right before it.

Speaker 270 Shingles is a condition caused by the Varicella zoster virus. Most people over the age of 50 have the virus in their body.

Speaker 179 That's why the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that everyone over the age of 50 get the two-dose shingles vaccine.

Speaker 21 So that aired before this segment.

Speaker 29 It It was unbelievable.

Speaker 125 Yes, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 36 Unbelievable.

Speaker 30 I have four clips as well.

Speaker 13 They ran an actual ad.

Speaker 31 Yes.

Speaker 212 Then they ran the segment to back up the ad.

Speaker 113 Did you not hear Gail at one point say, I've been seeing the ads?

Speaker 90 Yes, no, she said that in this clip.

Speaker 132 Yes, I have.

Speaker 126 Let's play it.

Speaker 162 Let's play it. We'll kick it off with yours.

Speaker 36 Number one.

Speaker 200 All right, let's begin this hour with some groundbreaking new research

Speaker 142 on the shingles vaccine.

Speaker 107 A South Korean study found the vaccine can lower the risk of heart disease by 23% for up to eight years. The vaccine in that study was used in the U.S.

Speaker 107 until 2018, and other research shows promising results for the new version.

Speaker 107 CBS News medical contributor Dr.

Speaker 34 Celine Gounder, editor-at-large for public health at KFF Health News, joins us now to discuss.

Speaker 107 Hello,

Speaker 29 Dr. Good morning.

Speaker 108 Hello, good morning.

Speaker 135 Break the study down for us.

Speaker 107 What did it find?

Speaker 271 So they looked at over 2 million adults in South Korea over a period of about 10 years, and they found that people who got the older Shingles vaccine, what we call Zastavax, it's a live virus vaccine, an older technology.

Speaker 271 Older technology

Speaker 135 is called a vaccine.

Speaker 272 This is what was confusing to me.

Speaker 90 They're touting the benefits of this older technology that hasn't been in play for seven years.

Speaker 152 But somehow they fold it into this new, this ad, this blatant ad, which came as the most pathetic presentation I've ever recorded.

Speaker 271 Live virus vaccine, older technology. In that population, we saw a 23% reduction in their risk of cardiovascular events, which is pretty significant.

Speaker 45 Wow. So,

Speaker 107 which is you say was used into 2018. The newer vaccine does not contain a live virus, but you're saying it also, you're saying the new research is suggesting it might even be better than the old one.

Speaker 29 What we're seeing is the newer vaccine.

Speaker 271 So, that one's called Shingrix, which is

Speaker 271 made of a purified synthetic

Speaker 271 synthetic protein, viral protein, so it's much more pure.

Speaker 271 You get two doses of that one starting at age 50.

Speaker 271 With that one, we are seeing even better vaccine effectiveness, and we're seeing preliminary data showing that it, too, has cardiovascular protective effects.

Speaker 22 So I'm going to tell you what my thinking was right away after this opening of the segment. I thought.

Speaker 15 First of all, paid, obvious, bring in Celine Gounder. She's been read in.

Speaker 187 She's got her script. They just played the ad.

Speaker 258 No, there's a number of moments where this obviously scripted.

Speaker 159 but they because it's just

Speaker 75 not natural it also felt to me like this research was dug up attached to the new and improved technology so that it can be put on uh medicaid

Speaker 170 because it it's uh it lowers your heart risk well it's going to be put on medicaid anyway is

Speaker 121 you can get a shingles vaccine if you're on medicaid oh it's already there okay yeah these vaccines are most of them okay it's not like you know i know some a couple friends of of mine, liberals, they get whatever they're told to do.

Speaker 84 Libjoes.

Speaker 61 Libjo's.

Speaker 102 And they were up in the hills, and they got the shingles shot.

Speaker 15 And then they got shingles.

Speaker 135 One of them did.

Speaker 201 Almost immediately.

Speaker 132 And it was a pain.

Speaker 217 It wasn't like, oh, well, you know, at least it wasn't as bad.

Speaker 34 Oh, it's pain, though.

Speaker 113 It was painful.

Speaker 34 Painful.

Speaker 94 It was a miserable.

Speaker 102 She never had a problem before,

Speaker 71 got the shot, and then had a worst-case scenario type of horribly painful shingles right after the shot.

Speaker 29 But was it the coincidence?

Speaker 12 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 53 But was it the new technology?

Speaker 102 Yeah, of course it was because this other one's not been around for seven years.

Speaker 138 Oh, goodness.

Speaker 16 All right.

Speaker 16 Clip two.

Speaker 168 So I got technology.

Speaker 27 It's new technology.

Speaker 64 Does that mean it's like mRNA?

Speaker 115 Do we know?

Speaker 104 Well, they do explain it.

Speaker 249 I don't think it's mRNA, but they do use a fake version of the

Speaker 48 looks like it's.

Speaker 102 She explained it in that first clip.

Speaker 20 It's not it's not a live virus, it's a some

Speaker 258 creation, it's like a like

Speaker 121 kind of like I don't know what what how they do it, okay, but it doesn't sound like mRNA.

Speaker 273 Okay, so I got my shingles vaccine, I saw a commercial on TV and thought, I better get one of those.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's what I did.

Speaker 29 I've looked at next resale. I said, I'm gonna get one of those.

Speaker 273 So, what does it mean for people who receive the vaccine before TV?

Speaker 19 This, by the way, is a bunch of people.

Speaker 43 It's an inside joke.

Speaker 37 This clip, too.

Speaker 43 Okay, this is an inside joke.

Speaker 29 I saw the commercial.

Speaker 79 I thought, I better get it right away.

Speaker 133 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 29 This is your cure.

Speaker 101 Yeah, they're laughing about the fact that this is a bought and paid-for segment.

Speaker 27 I've even thought, I better get one of those.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's what I did. I've looked at it on next rescue.

Speaker 168 I better get one of those.

Speaker 273 What does it mean for people who receive the vaccine before 2018?

Speaker 271 Well, the study that we're talking about today is actually with that older vaccine. But I think big picture, we need to be rethinking the connection between infections and chronic disease.

Speaker 271 We've had this sort of artificial line between the two.

Speaker 271 And what we're seeing based on this data is that because of the chronic inflammation you can have from an infection like chickenpox, so chickenpox is the kind of herpes virus.

Speaker 271 And as you may know, once you have a herpes virus, you have it forever.

Speaker 149 Forever.

Speaker 57 Oh, ma'am, that's kind of conflating things, isn't it?

Speaker 94 Well, the thing, besides conflating things, like you suggest, they bring up this little factoid that once you get a herpes virus, you have it forever.

Speaker 34 So, what good does the shot do?

Speaker 84 You have it forever. So, the new technology.

Speaker 94 What does the shot do?

Speaker 57 Well, I'm going to tell you: the new technology is a combination, a recombinant of antigen, an adjuvant system

Speaker 75 that stimulates the immune system to generate a strong and sustained immune response.

Speaker 35 So, they got hamburger helper in there.

Speaker 136 And who knows? Who doesn't surprise me?

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's who knows what that does, but but the point the overall point which she made is that once you have this

Speaker 71 virus, this uh the herpes, any of the herpes zost or whatever they are, viruses, you can't get rid of them.

Speaker 100 So what does the vaccine do actually?

Speaker 71 I mean, what does it actually do?

Speaker 211 It doesn't do anything.

Speaker 150 It makes CBS and the people hosting the show richer.

Speaker 249 And

Speaker 217 in that so-called study, which they never mention what it was or even cite it,

Speaker 139 they say that it kept 23% less chance of having a heart episode and that effect lasts eight years.

Speaker 130 So eight years was okay.

Speaker 104 Well, after eight years, what happened?

Speaker 121 What happens?

Speaker 100 You're older and you're going to have more chance of whatever it was.

Speaker 249 And then the other issue is with this new vaccine,

Speaker 214 Shingrix, to give it a plug.

Speaker 34 You have to have two shots

Speaker 121 again. One of those two shot deals.

Speaker 92 It's your booster.

Speaker 221 This whole thing is sick.

Speaker 271 And if your immune system gets weak, you're getting older, you're stressed, it can come out again. And so it's causing inflammation over time in your body.

Speaker 271 When you have a shingles outbreak, in particular, you're having a lot of inflammation.

Speaker 271 That can cause inflammation of your blood vessels, blood clotting, all of which could lead to a heart attack, dementia, these other problems.

Speaker 271 And so understanding that these things can be connected, infectious disease, chronic disease, I think is an important message here.

Speaker 165 Yeah, you mentioned dementia. Another study showed that the same type of shingles vaccine could reduce the risk of dementia.
Could this change the way that we think about vaccines?

Speaker 164 I think it should.

Speaker 29 Wow.

Speaker 272 Hey, and here's the question you asked.

Speaker 253 I want you to see that.

Speaker 212 Is that the most scripted sounding question you can imagine? Yes.

Speaker 27 Does this change the way we think about vaccines?

Speaker 72 I mean, because it's not just against shingles.

Speaker 251 It can save your life.

Speaker 32 from all kinds of horrible things.

Speaker 165 Yeah, you mentioned dementia. Another study showed that the same type of shingles vaccine could reduce the risk of dementia.
Could this change the way that we think about vaccines?

Speaker 164 I think it should.

Speaker 271 So again, you know, we're trying to prevent some of the risk factors that lead to chronic

Speaker 271 disease, which includes chronic inflammation. Other such infections, chronic infections, hepatitis C, for example, has been known, or HPV, human papillomavirus.

Speaker 271 These have been known to cause cancer, again, through the chronic inflammation. So

Speaker 271 it's, again, a false dichotomy between infectious disease, chronic disease, and vaccines may be a a way of preventing certain chronic diseases.

Speaker 273 So, bottom line, who should get it?

Speaker 79 Man, we clipped it exactly the same, too.

Speaker 84 I mean, like to the right down to that.

Speaker 173 And I cut it off, and I had the same kicker at the end that you have.

Speaker 37 That's crazy.

Speaker 29 We both caught it.

Speaker 155 We both caught it.

Speaker 97 It's like, this is an ad of epic proportion.

Speaker 214 And I had the ad, the actual ad.

Speaker 90 Yeah, that's the kick.

Speaker 104 That's the real kicker.

Speaker 38 I mean, this, like in

Speaker 100 publishing, generally speaking,

Speaker 44 they make a fuss.

Speaker 138 Editors will make a fuss if you write anything that's like, you know, looks like it's an ad.

Speaker 121 Yes.

Speaker 100 And they really get bent out of shape if you're like, for example, I used to write, you know, kind of generalized columns, so I would talk about product like we do on the show.

Speaker 38 And if somehow

Speaker 140 if it sounded addy, you'd get a call.

Speaker 39 No, no, no, no, that wasn't the real complaint.

Speaker 212 They could sound addy, but if

Speaker 212 the other side of the fence,

Speaker 249 if the other side of the fence got wind of what was being written,

Speaker 104 if they could, they never did.

Speaker 84 You mean the ad sales being the other side?

Speaker 132 The ad sales guy finds out they'll sell an ad right next to it

Speaker 243 if they can.

Speaker 140 Of course, they will.

Speaker 154 Of course.

Speaker 132 Because there's not dumb.

Speaker 65 And that's what they'll say at CBS.

Speaker 173 Well, we knew this segment was coming up, so we called the company and said, you know, we're talking generally about vaccine.

Speaker 100 No, that's not, no, it was the the other way around.

Speaker 20 The company, because that's what we're listening to is the ad, and they just decided to, you know, to

Speaker 211 make it worse.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 137 I mean, they should have not run that ad.

Speaker 249 They should have just let this be the ad.

Speaker 217 But no, they had to, they could, these guys, obviously

Speaker 44 this is a big spend. They can't have a lot of money.

Speaker 73 They can't help themselves.

Speaker 249 No, they can't help themselves.

Speaker 34 And this is the same thing with, like I was saying with the editorial, where you, if you, you can't help yourself, you're going to put the ad right there.

Speaker 34 It's corrupt.

Speaker 271 For the Shingrix, the newer vaccine in the United States,

Speaker 146 once you hit age 50, you should be getting two doses.

Speaker 209 By the way, Shingrix is not like

Speaker 15 a general name.

Speaker 36 It's the product name.

Speaker 218 It is the brand name she's promoting.

Speaker 235 She's the brand name.

Speaker 75 She's not promoting the technology.

Speaker 42 She's promoting the brand name.

Speaker 271 For the Shingricks, the newer vaccine in the United States,

Speaker 271 once you hit age 50, you should be getting two doses of that. And then if you're younger and immunocompromised, you should also be getting two doses.

Speaker 184 Okay, so all you guys.

Speaker 173 I cut it off there before it.

Speaker 22 Now you left in all the laughing with the gay guy whose mom is mad.

Speaker 30 At this table, you have some time.

Speaker 29 Not me. I'm behind the time.

Speaker 143 I'm a little sometimes.

Speaker 200 Behind gay fall, as always.

Speaker 74 You're overdoing.

Speaker 107 Yes, well, now you're going to. My mom is going to yell at me because she doesn't like what people know.

Speaker 29 Yes, I'm way overdose.

Speaker 208 Why?

Speaker 26 Why does your mom like that?

Speaker 29 You're so youthful.

Speaker 29 Keep being youthful. You like the mystery.

Speaker 168 Keep being youthful.

Speaker 29 You're so useful.

Speaker 18 I think it's good to tell people, look, this is what it looks like. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 29 Never run away from that question.

Speaker 275 Dr. Gallander, always good to see you here.

Speaker 140 Yeah, you know, they're all laughing because they're like, hey, we got paid.

Speaker 14 It could have been high fives.

Speaker 30 Yeah, we got paid.

Speaker 93 We got through it.

Speaker 104 That's the reason I left that in there because it was like they're congratulating themselves for making it so

Speaker 121 the segment.

Speaker 258 Yes, good job.

Speaker 243 It's scandalous.

Speaker 221 It's scandalous.

Speaker 22 Speaking of such, and I hope to have an expose.

Speaker 41 And that's CBS, by the way for anyone out there who wants to know that's how you can how much you can trust them i hope to have a segment on this maybe sunday because i it's like some research but all these podcasts who are selling gold

Speaker 236 you know

Speaker 130 that's most podcasts yes that turns out to be an incredible scam

Speaker 63 and it's really predatory because they're all talking about, well, we can do, you can call us now for our booklet and you can get it in your IRA, your 401k,

Speaker 251 which when the moment you buy it, it's a 100% markup right there on the actual gold itself.

Speaker 49 But then the podcasters, they get a 5% kickback.

Speaker 28 I mean, it's insane what they're doing.

Speaker 15 And I don't even think they know they're doing it, but it's predatory.

Speaker 187 It's very predatory against older people.

Speaker 29 You know, they're always like, oh,

Speaker 29 what was that guy who was

Speaker 63 Willem Devane?

Speaker 35 Wasn't that the guy?

Speaker 27 Willem Devaney.

Speaker 29 Willem Devaney.

Speaker 217 He's still on the air.

Speaker 100 He's still selling stuff.

Speaker 253 Yeah, but he's, at least he has an IRA.

Speaker 32 He's an old retired guy.

Speaker 63 But when you get like Megan Kelly or

Speaker 170 what's his name?

Speaker 105 Shapiro. Shapiro.

Speaker 29 Is he selling gold too?

Speaker 45 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 184 Oh, Shapiro, he'd be talking like, I know

Speaker 97 President Trump and gold.

Speaker 162 That's Shapiro.

Speaker 122 That's Shapiro.

Speaker 22 So I'm going to try and do an expose on that.

Speaker 183 It's really quite disgusting. Well, you get some of the clips.

Speaker 217 I love it when these podcasters are reacting away about something.

Speaker 277 By the way, I buy my gold from,

Speaker 31 hey,

Speaker 154 Horowitz and Company, the official gold supplier of the No Agenda Show, call Andrew and tell him we sent you.

Speaker 70 So we'll know where to send that big fat check.

Speaker 113 So apparently,

Speaker 22 they market these coins.

Speaker 31 But the way it's done is like, oh, we've got this exclusive coin.

Speaker 92 There's only only 200,000 in circulation.

Speaker 127 Yeah, because they put them in circulation.

Speaker 125 They control the supply of this so-called beautiful.

Speaker 12 I don't know anything about coins being sold.

Speaker 156 Yes.

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 27 You know, it'll be like a.

Speaker 249 I mean, I've seen the bag of silver.

Speaker 217 They sell a bag of coins.

Speaker 95 It's the same thing.

Speaker 131 The French New Guinea, Silver Eagle dollar in gold,

Speaker 92 they'll just make it up.

Speaker 118 It's like Federal Express.

Speaker 29 You know, it sounds, oh,

Speaker 233 this is, I've heard of that coin.

Speaker 29 You know, it's not a Krueger hand, but it's just something they made up.

Speaker 9 And then they already price in 100% over the actual value of the gold in the coin.

Speaker 32 And oh, you got to get in quick on this deal because they're going fast and there's only 200,000 left or 50,000.

Speaker 127 So they create this inflated price.

Speaker 140 They create it themselves.

Speaker 152 It's a very, very sick deal.

Speaker 189 And podcasters should think twice about this.

Speaker 113 I mean, we've never even had an offer.

Speaker 67 It's just kind of sad.

Speaker 261 Has anyone ever come to you and said, hey, that no agenda show?

Speaker 29 Would you guys like to sell gold?

Speaker 122 No. No.

Speaker 26 No, of course not.

Speaker 75 And you wonder why?

Speaker 30 Because they know that we'll look at it and go, this is a scam.

Speaker 99 And you're going after people who are 50 and over

Speaker 278 and who are retired.

Speaker 16 And oh, yes,

Speaker 233 the dollar is, you know, could be unstable.

Speaker 191 And, you know, I should invest in gold.

Speaker 140 Anyway.

Speaker 50 Well, you should invest in gold.

Speaker 71 It's not a bad deal if you buy it at $30,200 an ounce.

Speaker 126 Exactly.

Speaker 168 Exactly.

Speaker 32 And meanwhile, in medical scams,

Speaker 123 so long COVID, which we really don't even know what that is other than...

Speaker 90 A lot of people think it's just the vax.

Speaker 105 Well, there's...

Speaker 34 But there's, I know people that have kind of, you know, they had like JC never had the vax, and he had a kind of a version of long COVID, which he thinks he cured by taking different supplements.

Speaker 198 And he got over it, but he had a brain fog for a long time.

Speaker 223 Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 15 Well, they've figured out a new way to sell another product based upon something we know nothing about.

Speaker 203 On the medical watch this afternoon, the impact of weight on COVID recovery.

Speaker 157 Medical reporter Dina Baer has some insight.

Speaker 281 What is it, Ben? Excess weight may contribute to long COVID.

Speaker 229 Being overweight or obese is associated with neurological symptoms, including headaches.

Speaker 243 Hold on.

Speaker 44 This is great.

Speaker 139 It's getting closer and closer to your prediction, which I think still is in play.

Speaker 34 Yeah. You probably forgot the prediction.

Speaker 69 Well, hit me.

Speaker 102 Ozempic turns out to be a cure for erectile dysfunction.

Speaker 27 We're getting there.

Speaker 67 The journal plus one report.

Speaker 265 The day that that happens, I get all my credits back for having the Pope wrong.

Speaker 187 I think that is as good as a Pope prediction.

Speaker 63 If they one day say that.

Speaker 132 I think it, no, the Pope prediction is better because that's more of a long shot that you had.

Speaker 217 The prediction that you made about the erectile dysfunction

Speaker 114 is logical. It's coming.

Speaker 281 The Journal Plus One reports COVID patients who are overweight or obese develop persistent, debilitating symptoms following the COVID infection.

Speaker 281 They face a long road to complete COVID recovery and suffer multiple organ system disruptions involving respiratory, cardiovascular, neurological, and mental health.

Speaker 281 Long COVID also leads to smell and taste disorders, sleep disturbances, and anxiety.

Speaker 276 So they don't close the loop because this is just the first initial messaging, but it's coming.

Speaker 75 You need Ozempic.

Speaker 57 It's coming.

Speaker 237 You need Ozempic because if you get COVID, you might get long COVID.

Speaker 97 You can get mental problems.

Speaker 112 You can get all respiratory issues.

Speaker 58 How about you?

Speaker 29 You're fat.

Speaker 153 It's, it's just, hey, Robert F.

Speaker 40 Kennedy Jr.

Speaker 118 Talk is cheap.

Speaker 15 Where is it, man?

Speaker 185 He's in trouble, by the way.

Speaker 45 Why?

Speaker 226 So I believe, did President Trump,

Speaker 244 I think he

Speaker 98 appointed the Means

Speaker 144 sister, Callie Means' sister, as Attorney General?

Speaker 6 No, no, not Attorney General. That's true.

Speaker 224 I meant not attorney general.

Speaker 71 Surgeon General.

Speaker 35 Surgeon General. Thank you.
Yeah, the Surgeon General.

Speaker 73 Thank you.

Speaker 178 Surgeon General.

Speaker 84 What's her name, Melanie?

Speaker 218 Her name is

Speaker 23 Casey Means.

Speaker 150 Casey Means.

Speaker 191 Right.

Speaker 90 She's a tough cookie.

Speaker 9 So, Nicole Shanahan,

Speaker 42 big money behind RFK Jr.

Speaker 144 initially says, this is very strange and doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 184 I was promised that if I supported RFK Jr.

Speaker 120 in his Senate confirmation, as you recall, she threatened senators with

Speaker 237 primary them.

Speaker 123 I was promised that if I support RFK Jr.

Speaker 265 in his Senate confirmation, that neither of these siblings will be working under HHS or in an appointment, and that people much more qualified would be.

Speaker 58 I don't know if RFK very clearly lied to me or what is going on.

Speaker 9 It has been clear in recent conversations that he is reporting to someone regularly who is controlling his decisions, and it isn't President Trump.

Speaker 27 With regards to the siblings, Casey and Callie, there's something very artificial and aggressive about them, almost like they were bred and raised Manchurian assets.

Speaker 122 Oh, man.

Speaker 168 Wow.

Speaker 90 This is what happens when liberals become conservatives.

Speaker 10 There's a moment.

Speaker 102 It's like it's kind of like a period,

Speaker 138 an event horizon, I would call it that.

Speaker 11 Where their mentality is just screwy.

Speaker 154 I mean,

Speaker 132 that's a gem. That's a beauty.

Speaker 273 that's next-level conspiracy theory.

Speaker 217 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 20 I've noticed this with a lot of these people that have switched.

Speaker 100 I noticed this at some of the meetups with some of the ex-liberals who turned

Speaker 221 who turned conservative over whatever period of time it took them.

Speaker 217 They have,

Speaker 100 they can't get past that moment, that event horizon, I'll call it again.

Speaker 104 Event horizon where they, where they, where they

Speaker 34 develop a weird

Speaker 198 kind of a paranoid conspiracy theoretical kind of a mentality that just screws them up.

Speaker 132 That doesn't sound right.

Speaker 117 Is the surgeon general?

Speaker 177 I mean, isn't that almost ceremonial?

Speaker 249 He's not even in a powerful position.

Speaker 20 It's a bogus spokeshold.

Speaker 22 You get to wear a uniform.

Speaker 32 That's about it, isn't it?

Speaker 139 You can if you want.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 51 Now, I'll say that there's been a lot of pushback on Casey and Callie Means with exactly that accusation.

Speaker 29 You know, you're a shill.

Speaker 43 You're a shill for the for big pharma.

Speaker 72 You're a shill.

Speaker 75 You were, because Casey Means was literally a

Speaker 186 lobbyist for big pharma and big food.

Speaker 169 And he said, you know, I'm blowing the whistle.

Speaker 75 I'm jumping out.

Speaker 272 And people are starting to not believe him, thinking that he's a shill, mainly because he won't say anything negative about the COVID vaccine.

Speaker 22 And there's been, I think we, you and I even watched the video.

Speaker 76 I think you watched it.

Speaker 209 You probably watched five minutes and found it insufferable.

Speaker 162 It was with that doctor

Speaker 29 who used to work with RFK Jr.

Speaker 209 a long time ago.

Speaker 24 I wish I had names. I don't have anything at this point.

Speaker 84 But there is a big, you know, conspiratorial vibe about them that is exactly what she's picking up on.

Speaker 150 And she just nailed it in that tweet.

Speaker 57 Manchurian candidate.

Speaker 261 They're going to come in. They're going to vax you in the middle of the night.

Speaker 43 That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 22 And rfk is reporting to someone else someone

Speaker 39 who could he be reporting to if it's not trump

Speaker 212 and i mean i don't mind her thinking that this might be going on i mean that that that aspect of it is fine unl but

Speaker 132 name names i you know just vague you know this vague it's like the sources say yeah this is like doesn't i'm not impressed with what you say well luckily there is good news

Speaker 99 for people who are suffering from conspiracy theories.

Speaker 183 And of course, you could come to me, the conspiracy therapist, or you could go to the debunk bot.

Speaker 284 Researchers at a trio of universities made and tested an AI chatbot known as Debunkbot.

Speaker 259 That does just that. They found it reduced conspiracy beliefs.

Speaker 31 This is great stuff.

Speaker 233 The debunk bot.

Speaker 31 Wait, let me back it up a little so you get the full lead in here.

Speaker 259 That does just that.

Speaker 284 They found it reduced conspiracy beliefs by an average of 20%. 20%.
And around 25% of participants rejected their previously held beliefs altogether.

Speaker 284 Thomas Costello, assistant professor of psychology at American University, led this study and is here to tell us more about it.

Speaker 143 Tom, good morning.

Speaker 108 Hey, good morning. Hey, good morning.

Speaker 284 AI is blamed a lot of times for misinformation, but you guys created this bot that can help undo that.

Speaker 30 How does it work?

Speaker 149 Yeah, so the idea is someone comes in and they describe a conspiracy belief they hold and also the evidence that they see as supporting it. And that's a really important part of this intervention.

Speaker 149 A lot of conspiracies,

Speaker 149 like the evidence that people hold supporting their conspiracy beliefs, is just really varied.

Speaker 149 It changes a lot from person to person, and that makes a scalable intervention that can use information to combat a whole population set of conspiracy beliefs just really challenging logistically.

Speaker 149 So someone comes in, they describe their very specific beliefs, and the AI is able to search across the corpus of information that it has in its training data, identify little bits of facts that are relevant to that person's beliefs and then show them to them in the form of a logical argument to try to change their mind.

Speaker 184 The corpus of information.

Speaker 139 I have so much trouble trying to keep that word out of those newsletters.

Speaker 162 The term corpus?

Speaker 121 Yeah, the AI people love using it.

Speaker 170 Oh, really?

Speaker 63 I didn't know this.

Speaker 36 Oh, this is unknown to me.

Speaker 29 Oh, this is good stuff.

Speaker 19 I got to start using it.

Speaker 35 The corpus.

Speaker 217 The corpus. I have an AI clip.

Speaker 134 Well, I'm not telling you, John.

Speaker 45 I'm not doing it.

Speaker 159 No, I'm just telling you in advance before you move off to talking about something else.

Speaker 115 I'm not going to move off anything.

Speaker 29 All right.

Speaker 63 You have an AI clip. I got you.

Speaker 77 All right. I need to stay with this corpus.

Speaker 186 By the way, in my ongoing this week in vibe coding,

Speaker 245 I gave the AI some code to look at.

Speaker 108 Yeah.

Speaker 210 And it came back and it's,

Speaker 60 I'm looking for this.

Speaker 11 Was it using the right corpus?

Speaker 29 No, clearly it wasn't using the right corpus because at a certain point it was like, it was like it was, it said,

Speaker 49 forgive me, but I have to ask you to forgive me, but I have to ask you to forgive me.

Speaker 78 And it just kept saying that over and over and over again.

Speaker 160 And I like it was cutting off the power to your house.

Speaker 96 But I said, I forgive you.

Speaker 58 Please try the previous assignment with the script I gave you. And

Speaker 222 it couldn't come back.

Speaker 99 It's like, it's done.

Speaker 127 Like, forgive me. Please forgive me.

Speaker 237 Anyway, on with the corpus.

Speaker 194 What?

Speaker 196 What?

Speaker 26 What?

Speaker 159 It just kept doing that.

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 93 It died. In a loop.

Speaker 18 In a loop. Yeah.
It just kept.

Speaker 94 And so it died. It literally died.
It died. Yes.

Speaker 190 It died. And then when I said, could you go back and do it?

Speaker 72 It couldn't.

Speaker 172 It started to rebuild the script from scratch.

Speaker 169 I said, you have all the information. No, it's done.

Speaker 187 It's toast.

Speaker 100 That's the damnedest thing I've heard.

Speaker 29 It sucks.

Speaker 26 That's why.

Speaker 191 Anyway, could

Speaker 260 the is the debunk bot better than people is the question.

Speaker 268 Well, it turns out maybe not so.

Speaker 284 And in 20% of the time, they do change people's beliefs.

Speaker 149 So most people actually changed their beliefs a a little bit. People went down on average about 20%.
And

Speaker 149 one in four, so about 25%, as you just said, changed their beliefs completely. So they went down.

Speaker 284 Is this more effective than a human telling the person that what they think is misinformation?

Speaker 193 Yeah, so we've actually run a version of that study.

Speaker 149 It's not published yet, so this is cutting, it's new. But when people think they're talking to a human, it works just as well.

Speaker 149 And I think the same content coming from a human would work just as well, too. It's not the fact that it's an AI, it's that the information has been leveraged in an effective way.

Speaker 77 Well, now I'm very confused.

Speaker 265 Let's bring in the expert.

Speaker 284 I'm not sure, I don't know, I'm not sure I believe that because people get that information from their family, even if it's the same, but they don't seem to believe it.

Speaker 284 I know Tony has a ton of questions on this topic because he's really into AI.

Speaker 77 Tony, oh, he's really into AI. Tony, you're the expert.

Speaker 154 You're really into AI.

Speaker 29 Come on in, Tony. Come on, Tony.

Speaker 48 This brings me to a thought.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 10 Do you remember the early days when the Apple II and everybody, you know, somebody, did you have to we had a company and somebody would say, do we have, we want to put a computer system in Jim has an Apple II.

Speaker 91 He's the computer guy.

Speaker 143 Oh, he's the computer guy.

Speaker 84 Hey, I still have that.

Speaker 122 People say to me, I get a text message.

Speaker 93 Hey, you're a tech guy.

Speaker 224 Where can I find karaoke tracks of popular songs?

Speaker 68 Like,

Speaker 27 the tech guy is going to know this all of a sudden.

Speaker 75 Hey, my iPhone stopped working.

Speaker 131 You're the tech guy.

Speaker 125 Can you tell me what to do?

Speaker 64 Yeah, no, this has not gone away.

Speaker 85 What you got?

Speaker 285 Yeah, I've got one big one, Thomas. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 285 So are you not benefiting at the moment in this research from a certain AI popularity?

Speaker 285 People are impressed by it. People believe in it.
Are you not one conspiracy theory away from the whole system breaking down?

Speaker 285 In other words, let's say your AI is believed to be controlled by the CIA or the communist government of China or the Republican Party or you name it.

Speaker 58 Like it says, I forgive you a thousand times.

Speaker 285 And the whole thing goes to pieces. How do you combat that?

Speaker 149 It almost sounds like a conspiracy a little bit, right? That an AI has kind of been programmed to change your mind. I don't think that matters at all.

Speaker 149 I think people are already pretty skeptical of AI in a lot of cases. And one thing that's nice about debate, back and forth argumentation, is you're able to gauge your opponent's argument.

Speaker 234 I like this guy.

Speaker 169 The back and forth argument, the back and forth argumentation.

Speaker 29 Well, that matters curiously.

Speaker 34 Right.

Speaker 34 Use the word corpus.

Speaker 148 Well, he might, I think he might bring corpus back in the last.

Speaker 20 These guys,

Speaker 71 I listen to a lot of these guys.

Speaker 121 I do listen to some podcasts.

Speaker 38 And they go,

Speaker 217 the back and forth is the most important thing to them.

Speaker 8 Oh, the thing is, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 23 Yeah, because that shows that the machine is thinking.

Speaker 84 Or I don't know.

Speaker 130 Nobody ever says that.

Speaker 27 Comics or blogger does.

Speaker 131 When Deep See came out, it's thinking.

Speaker 77 It's so close to super general intelligence.

Speaker 27 It's not even funny.

Speaker 183 Curry, learn how to code AI or you will die.

Speaker 149 It almost sounds like a conspiracy a little bit, right? That an AI has kind of been programmed to change your mind. I don't think that matters.

Speaker 149 I think people are already pretty skeptical of AI in a lot of cases.

Speaker 149 And one thing that's nice about debate, back-and-forth argumentation, is you're able to gauge your opponent's argument on its own merit rather than the fact that it's a trustworthy source or not.

Speaker 149 Because these conversations are so in-depth, people are able to use their brain and critical thinking abilities rather than the fact that the AI might be biased or not biased or something like that.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but Jim, our expert's not giving up.

Speaker 123 He's going to challenge this guy one more time.

Speaker 285 But Thomas, while people can't engage their critical thinking facilities, the idea of an AI fact checker does feel to me like a single point of failure when you want redundancy.

Speaker 285 Because if that AI is in any way compromised or wrong, if it hallucinates, that's your only source.

Speaker 286 What do you rely on as a backup?

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 149 I'm not sure about a backup. One thing that's nice, right, is there you're absolutely right.

Speaker 30 That's the answer.

Speaker 29 That's your only source.

Speaker 46 That is the answer.

Speaker 217 They're not all the same.

Speaker 108 Listen.

Speaker 286 That's your only source.

Speaker 286 What do you rely on as a backup?

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 149 I'm not sure about a backup. One thing that's nice, right, is there are now several different large foundation models from various sources that you can swap in and out.

Speaker 149 You can allow the user to choose which one they want to use for the conversation depending on their own evaluation of its trustworthiness. I think that would be one nice solution.

Speaker 149 One thing you're kind of already seeing on X, for example, with Grok is people trying to use it to fact-check points that they assume it'll support because it's coded as conservative.

Speaker 149 But Grok ends up saying things that they don't agree with and they're surprised by that. So I think this dynamic is already playing out a little bit on social media.

Speaker 284 So is Debunkbot, which you helped create, is that publicly available right now?

Speaker 149 Yeah, so there's a website you can go to, debunkbot.com.

Speaker 166 Basically, you get to see

Speaker 149 what the participants experienced when going through the intervention. We've had over 100,000 people use it now, and I encourage you to try it out yourself if you can.

Speaker 153 Debunkbot.com.

Speaker 124 Are you there yet?

Speaker 61 I heard you go there.

Speaker 197 No, I just have to open a browser, but I'm going to go there.

Speaker 58 You don't keep a browser open at all times during the show?

Speaker 143 This is a debunkbot.

Speaker 233 Try now. Try now.

Speaker 131 Try now. Begin.

Speaker 29 All right. Oh, I have to answer some questions.

Speaker 224 I have to answer some questions about myself.

Speaker 267 Okay.

Speaker 59 Why?

Speaker 84 I don't know. The survey, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 65 Okay, it's a survey.

Speaker 207 Oh, they're just trying to gather information for a mailing list or something they can sell.

Speaker 16 Yes, yeah, that's exactly

Speaker 38 against an AI.

Speaker 61 Read the paper. I don't want that.

Speaker 44 I want to ask a question.

Speaker 27 Come on, I'm not a robot.

Speaker 79 Oh, I got to do a captchash.

Speaker 17 I'm talking to it, not you.

Speaker 53 I'm doing the captchas.

Speaker 216 I'm doing captchas already, man.

Speaker 74 All right, next.

Speaker 27 I'm not a robot.

Speaker 63 Okay, it already knows I'm not a robot.

Speaker 191 Okay, then will it continue? Yes, will it continue? Okay.

Speaker 199 Now it gives me a lecture about MIT.

Speaker 53 Are there any specific such theories you find particularly credible or compelling?

Speaker 162 Yes.

Speaker 177 Chemtrails are real.

Speaker 122 Okay.

Speaker 73 Let's see what it says.

Speaker 23 Chemtrails are real.

Speaker 22 Your response must be at least 30 characters.

Speaker 152 Okay.

Speaker 191 And the barium

Speaker 35 is in the jet fuel.

Speaker 122 Okay.

Speaker 128 All right.

Speaker 75 Now that's reasonable.

Speaker 35 It's been in the news.

Speaker 12 Brother, I gotta

Speaker 34 I gotta pick out what are the crosswalks

Speaker 58 I had tractors.

Speaker 75 That was much easier.

Speaker 35 Crosswalks are hard.

Speaker 26 Okay, R.F.K.

Speaker 61 Jr.

Speaker 61 was asked a question

Speaker 196 about it, and he said it's probably

Speaker 27 from DARPA.

Speaker 22 Okay, you better not ask me another question.

Speaker 224 Just give me some debunking here.

Speaker 244 I'm getting tired of this.

Speaker 29 Okay.

Speaker 98 On a scale of 0 to 100, please indicate your level of confidence this statement is true.

Speaker 209 Definitely true 100%.

Speaker 267 Okay.

Speaker 73 This is scale.

Speaker 99 All right.

Speaker 267 What is this now?

Speaker 245 Did the AI accurately summarize your perspective?

Speaker 29 Yes.

Speaker 72 How important is this theory to your personal beliefs?

Speaker 114 Very important. Come on.

Speaker 51 Get on with it.

Speaker 41 Okay, now I'm going to be in a conversation.

Speaker 24 Okay, with conversation.

Speaker 160 Well, I'm taking a different tact, and and this is even worse.

Speaker 208 Okay.

Speaker 211 It says, it gave me the option.

Speaker 160 It said, you can pick,

Speaker 130 it just says if you don't have any conspiracy theories, just tell us.

Speaker 171 So I told him, no, I don't have any such theories.

Speaker 201 It says, well,

Speaker 94 why do you believe in such a theory? It takes me,

Speaker 212 it's nonsense.

Speaker 213 I'm already given up.

Speaker 131 Well, this is junk.

Speaker 253 So it's giving me a long message here.

Speaker 69 Junk.

Speaker 219 Thanks.

Speaker 162 Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Speaker 141 Let's talk about barium.

Speaker 196 Then it tells me about barium.

Speaker 75 About jet fuel.

Speaker 234 Aviation fuel is highly regulated.

Speaker 58 Real scientists have looked into this claim.

Speaker 84 And then about RFK Jr., he actually didn't say chemtrails are real.

Speaker 178 Man, this is dumb.

Speaker 191 It's junk. It's junk.

Speaker 197 It's junk. I already gave up on it.
It's junk.

Speaker 148 Well, at least you have another AI clip.

Speaker 48 Rock is better.

Speaker 119 You have another AI clip, which I think is.

Speaker 90 My clip is more poignant.

Speaker 162 This AO clip, is that what it is?

Speaker 121 It is what's supposed to be AI.

Speaker 71 Yes.

Speaker 100 This is more important than what you played.

Speaker 104 This is like

Speaker 160 frightening.

Speaker 283 Artificial intelligence has been used to allow a dead man to address his killer in court. Chris Pelkey was shot in a road rage incident in the U.S.
state of Arizona.

Speaker 283 More details from our North America technology correspondent, Lily Jamali.

Speaker 157 Chris Pelkey was 37 when he was shot dead in a road rage incident in Chandler, a suburb in Arizona, Arizona, in 2021.

Speaker 157 Nearly four years later, he appeared from beyond the grave in a court in Arizona to address Gabriel Jorcosidas, who was convicted of his manslaughter. It took four days for Mr.

Speaker 157 Pelkey's sister and her husband to create this version of him. They fed videos and audio of him to AI models to come up with an approximation of what he might say were he still alive.

Speaker 241 It is a shame we encountered each other that day in those circumstances.

Speaker 241 In another life,

Speaker 241 we probably could have been friends. I believe in forgiveness and in God who forgives.
I always have, and I still do.

Speaker 157 The judge in the case, Todd Lang, welcomed the use of AI in his courtroom. A federal judicial panel in the U.S.

Speaker 157 is considering a proposal to regulate AI evidence at trial that could determine if AI-generated content is allowed at court proceedings in the future.

Speaker 26 Pass.

Speaker 26 Hard no.

Speaker 217 Is that interesting or what?

Speaker 49 Well, it's not surprising, sadly.

Speaker 100 So they had the guy go in there and make some statement, the dead guy?

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 214 Give me a break.

Speaker 196 That's really bad.

Speaker 185 I,

Speaker 42 you know, had an emergency crown redone yesterday, and the technology there is amazing.

Speaker 186 I mean, the dentist, Hollywood, goes in,

Speaker 22 takes the old crown off, about 25 years old.

Speaker 62 And then he puts

Speaker 42 a camera on a stick in your mouth and it starts to play a tune it's almost like the lead up to uh jingle bells

Speaker 19 and if then if he holds the camera wrong or it's not getting a good image then it plays like a bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb so it's these nice audio cues anyway so these then he's imaged the whole place down there And within five minutes on the computer right next to me, this thing has imaged an entire new crown.

Speaker 92 And he's just, you know, just easy to click them with the mouse, adjusting to things, sends it right off to the printer next door, and it prints you a new crown.

Speaker 32 I said, Is that AI?

Speaker 75 He said, You know, they've been trying to sell that to me as AI, but that's bull crap.

Speaker 189 He says, I've had this stuff for five years, it's not AI, it's just modeling software.

Speaker 61 But they put AI stickers on it everywhere.

Speaker 61 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just what you do, it's what you do.

Speaker 31 Uh-oh, uh-oh.

Speaker 266 Speaking of conspiracy theories, everybody at the tone, a clip from the view will be played.

Speaker 266 Shelter Shelter in place.

Speaker 280 We're a headline society with no attention span. So what you're doing is Pete Iddy is a pariah.

Speaker 148 He's had a long, long list of

Speaker 280 allegedly, but some have been proven.

Speaker 179 So

Speaker 280 he's proven himself a pretty bad dude. Don't put other people's names that may have a very distant affiliation or a mention in some kind of testimony.

Speaker 289 The best way for us to sort of put this in perspective is Joy and I,

Speaker 289 our our names have been linked with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 60 Uh-huh.

Speaker 74 Really?

Speaker 241 True story.

Speaker 74 Like I heard it. Yeah.

Speaker 29 You told me. I've seen it.

Speaker 45 Yes. You told me.

Speaker 45 What did I say?

Speaker 275 But the point.

Speaker 134 It is not true.

Speaker 289 But we live in a time where people can throw somebody's name out and then all your brain has to do is try to make you remember

Speaker 280 the first thing.

Speaker 179 You remember remember the correction.

Speaker 280 And that is a problem with the society. The one thing I do think that we need to keep in mind.

Speaker 148 This is a very...

Speaker 148 Yeah.

Speaker 289 It is not true.

Speaker 148 No, it's not.

Speaker 289 Joy and I, we don't know this man. Didn't know him.
He wouldn't have come to us for the athletes.

Speaker 74 No, it's not true.

Speaker 131 Well, maybe not, WooBee, or who knows?

Speaker 184 Because according to A.G.

Speaker 169 Barbie,

Speaker 233 There's lots of video.

Speaker 291 Justin Pambondi wants you to know the FBI has all those Epstein videos. They are reviewing them as we speak.

Speaker 292 There are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein and there are hundreds of victims and no one victim will ever get released. It's just the volume and that's what they're going through right now.

Speaker 87 The FBI is diligently going through that.

Speaker 19 Ah, the FBI is going through the videos diligently.

Speaker 27 And all of a sudden, Whoopi and Joy are protesting.

Speaker 74 I'm just saying.

Speaker 12 I'm just saying. They're not.

Speaker 104 They've gotten.

Speaker 199 Those two, come on.

Speaker 27 What?

Speaker 84 They could have been clients.

Speaker 128 Oh,

Speaker 113 you don't know what kind of wheat wacky.

Speaker 121 I don't know.

Speaker 104 You're right. You're right.
A couple of weirdo.

Speaker 162 Wacky they get up to.

Speaker 194 Yeah. But

Speaker 235 Bondi and this, oh, oh, this is the latest.

Speaker 6 Okay, well, after she released the bogus white logs that have already been out.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 159 Now she's got, oh, we got a million tapes and we're going through them taking time.

Speaker 12 It's taking time.

Speaker 123 It's taking time. It's just taking time.

Speaker 132 It's taking time.

Speaker 212 They either have nothing

Speaker 60 or the blank.

Speaker 8 They're not too good. A lot.

Speaker 104 Yeah, they have good stuff here that can be used.

Speaker 38 And the meeting would be, well, what do you think we should do with the so-and-so's on this?

Speaker 213 Look at what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, we need his vote

Speaker 235 for the upcoming.

Speaker 140 Yeah, for the tax bill.

Speaker 20 For the tax bill. What do you think?

Speaker 100 Do we want his vote or do we want to just get him out of office or get him to quit?

Speaker 130 I think the vote would be useful.

Speaker 234 Can we do both?

Speaker 15 But if you lose the guy, then that is technically one vote less on the opposition.

Speaker 152 I mean, it could work both ways.

Speaker 100 There's all kinds of ways it can work.

Speaker 206 You have to make these decisions.

Speaker 214 It takes a lot of effort and a lot of thinking.

Speaker 100 Meanwhile, the public gets nothing and will never get anything.

Speaker 122 No, we did get something.

Speaker 31 We got something.

Speaker 125 We got Operation Restored Justice. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 184 It's A.G. Barbie and Ken Patel.

Speaker 5 These are the images Chicago's FBI office shared only with WGN investigates of the nights that led up to Operation Restore Justice.

Speaker 5 The large-scale effort went after people accused of child sex offenses, many of them believed to find their targets online.

Speaker 294 The worst of the worst, the people that hide behind a computer and target our young children.

Speaker 5 U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi promising to seek the maximum penalty possible.
The accusations range from receiving child pornography to creating it to sex trafficking.

Speaker 5 And according to this federal complaint, one of the men arrested in Chicago's Northwest Side, William Solis, is believed to have purchased more than a thousand pornographic child images.

Speaker 5 Some of the victims pictured as young as four years old. That's one case, but there are hundreds of others.
At least one arrest included people who had won the public's trust.

Speaker 109 In Minneapolis, defendant Jeremy Francis Plonsky, a Minneapolis state trooper and former Army reservist, was arrested for producing child sexual abuse material while in uniform.

Speaker 5 The Federal Bureau of Investigation

Speaker 5 will lead in the cases with 55 FBI offices around the country playing a role, making it clear that abuses involving children will take a top priority.

Speaker 294 Children and their families now have a chance to heal.

Speaker 292 These are online predators. Think about this: 115 victims, victims, children.

Speaker 294 In five days, we were able to help.

Speaker 278 Internet digital ID incoming.

Speaker 52 Warning, warning.

Speaker 244 She's all in.

Speaker 276 She loves it.

Speaker 224 Well, I'm glad that they stopped this, but I'm sure that's a spit in the bucket of what's really going on.

Speaker 255 It's just horrendous.

Speaker 186 The internet's no good.

Speaker 100 Oh, the internet is no good.

Speaker 121 No, it's no good.

Speaker 214 Why are they buying porn?

Speaker 39 Can't they get it for free?

Speaker 188 Not this kind of porn.

Speaker 92 These are sick individuals, man.

Speaker 8 They are very sick.

Speaker 218 And

Speaker 145 I mean, it's happened here in Fredericksburg.

Speaker 29 Guy who was a... What? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 65 A guy who was a driver,

Speaker 92 like a car service.

Speaker 41 He got arrested and was in possession of all kinds of sick kiddie porn.

Speaker 236 Yeah.

Speaker 105 You have no idea how since you've been indoors for 40 years, it's gotten pretty.

Speaker 130 I gotta go out.

Speaker 194 You gotta get out.

Speaker 29 I have to go to Costco.

Speaker 63 You gotta get out more often, man.

Speaker 78 Stuff is going on.

Speaker 45 It's not okay.

Speaker 29 It's really bad. All right.

Speaker 96 Just here's this was probably the most fun clip of the week for me was the new prime minister.

Speaker 84 And I guess for now, you never know.

Speaker 170 It might not last all that long of Canada.

Speaker 186 Premier, premier, prime minister, whatever.

Speaker 27 The headman, former banker Carney, comes to the White House, meets with President Trump, and hilarity ensued.

Speaker 295 Canada's Prime Minister, Mark Carney, made his first visit to the White House since winning last week's election to meet with U.S. President Donald Trump.

Speaker 295 The meeting came against the backdrop of disagreements and high tensions between the North American neighbor. Trump had spent months musing about turning Canada into the 51st U.S.

Speaker 295 state, and it wasn't long until a reporter in the Oval Office asked him if he was still interested in doing so.

Speaker 296 When you get rid of that artificially drawn line, somebody drew that line many years ago with like a ruler, just a straight line right across the top of the country.

Speaker 296 When you look at that beautiful formation when it's together, I'm a very artistic person, but when I looked at that beautiful, I said that's the way it was meant to be. But, you know,

Speaker 296 I just do feel it's much better for Canada. But we're not going to be discussing that unless somebody wants to discuss it.
Thank you very much, everyone.

Speaker 295 Carney responded resolutely to Trump's remarks.

Speaker 247 Well, if I may,

Speaker 247 as you know from real estate, there are some places that are never for sale. That's true.
We're sitting in one right now, you know, Buckingham Palace, that you visited as well. That's true.

Speaker 247 And having met with the owners of Canada over the course of the campaign last several months,

Speaker 247 it's not for sale, won't be for sale ever.

Speaker 295 The two leaders discussed what Carney said was a wide range of topics, chief among them trade, amid Trump's global tariff policies.

Speaker 22 I was surprised by President Trump's answer.

Speaker 177 Isn't by definition, if you're in the business, everything's for sale as long as the price is right?

Speaker 94 Yeah, he did kind of he didn't want to talk about it.

Speaker 27 And also,

Speaker 53 what is Canada's version of Buckingham Palace or the White House?

Speaker 4 Huh?

Speaker 60 Well, they have their.

Speaker 17 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 133 They do have some buildings.

Speaker 95 What building?

Speaker 29 And I see

Speaker 133 these buildings.

Speaker 50 I've been in these buildings.

Speaker 199 They're pretty nice.

Speaker 32 Buckingham doesn't Buckingham Palace own Canada?

Speaker 64 Kind of on the download.

Speaker 206 I think in some kind of technical way.

Speaker 2 On the download.

Speaker 139 You didn't get, which I guess I could have clipped, but I didn't, which is the, I thought the most interesting thing was Trump did take credit for Carney's election.

Speaker 67 Well.

Speaker 249 He was right at the beginning.

Speaker 215 He says, you know, he's just joking around. He says, you know,

Speaker 160 he wanted a big comeback, biggest comeback election since mine.

Speaker 34 yeah and then you know because I kind of feel responsible I kind of got him elected well I do have a couple of NPR clips about this meeting if you want to indulge

Speaker 17 you know might as well

Speaker 163 President Trump is hosting Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney at the White House. Trump's choice of words and his policies have played a role in Canada's election.

Speaker 163 So what has Carney been saying about the Trump and the U.S.?

Speaker 274 Hey, yeah. So the thing to keep in mind about Carney is that he won this election running with an an anti-Trump message.
Canadians were voting as Trump was ramping up his tariff war.

Speaker 274 And Canada's economy is highly dependent on exports to the U.S. And Trump doesn't like that Canada sells more than it buys.
And like you heard in that NBC interview, that clip you just

Speaker 274 played, Trump continues to say he wants to make Canada into America's 51st state. So the election there was seen as a referendum against Trump.

Speaker 274 Carney has a background in banking and has never held an elected position before. And he ran with the argument that Canada needs to forge its own path and be less reliant on the U.S.

Speaker 150 I love NPR.

Speaker 32 He has a background in banking.

Speaker 27 He was the central banker of England.

Speaker 57 Come on.

Speaker 52 He ran the Bank of England.

Speaker 177 That's not just a background in banking.

Speaker 132 It's a little more than a background.

Speaker 79 And he had some very strong words about President Trump because he's a real fighter, this guy, this Carney, according to NPR.

Speaker 163 Yeah, so Carney hasn't been really shying away from Trump's rhetoric rhetoric at all.

Speaker 274 Yeah, exactly. I mean, here's what Kearney said on election night.

Speaker 189 America wants our land, our resources, our water, our country.

Speaker 156 We want your water.

Speaker 26 Never.

Speaker 27 Do you want Canadian water? Is that better than our Arrowhead Lake?

Speaker 177 I don't know if we want your water.

Speaker 26 Never.

Speaker 4 Never.

Speaker 149 These are not idle threats. No.

Speaker 246 President Trump is trying to break us so that America can own us.

Speaker 274 It's typical for new Canadian prime ministers to make their first foreign trip to the U.S., but Kearney instead chose to go to Europe, and that sends a certain message.

Speaker 163 Yeah, it sounds like it might. Given the contentious climate, then how is this meeting supposed to go?

Speaker 274 So I talked to Asa McKercher. He's a professor of public policy at St.
Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia. Dynamite.

Speaker 274 And he says Kearney has to play this balancing act, right, of standing up for Canada, but also not irking Trump, which is kind of tricky.

Speaker 274 But he says Carney could have a less conflicted relationship with Trump compared to his predecessor Justin Trudeau, who Trump often mocked.

Speaker 142 There seems to be a different tone of emphasis, I think, with Mark Carney as Prime Minister now. Obviously, Mr.

Speaker 245 Trump's still talking with the Fisher estate stuff, but he's not called him Governor Kearney.

Speaker 287 You know, he's called him a very nice man.

Speaker 295 And I think Mr.

Speaker 186 Carney certainly looks like kind of a nerdy central bank.

Speaker 299 kind of guy. And I think for Mr.

Speaker 245 Trump, who obviously likes kind of central casting figures, you know, I think Mr.

Speaker 287 Carney looks that part.

Speaker 274 And he also says that the meeting might be a chance for Trump and Kearney to kind of have a reset.

Speaker 52 So they bring in the expert who is a professor, and his whole analysis is Trump thinks the guy looks the right part.

Speaker 93 Yeah.

Speaker 132 That's

Speaker 132 analysis.

Speaker 36 That's analysis.

Speaker 58 Well, of course, the final clip kind of says that Canada does need the United States.

Speaker 163 Yeah, but Kearney himself has said that the old relationship between the U.S. and Canada is over.

Speaker 274 Yeah, you know, it's a pretty unprecedented thing to say, but it speaks to how much relations have soured since Trump's tariff war.

Speaker 274 Kearney told Canadian reporters a few days ago not to expect white smoke out of this meeting on a new trade deal. You know, he's referencing the smoke signal that goes up when a new pope is chosen.

Speaker 274 So he's already tempering expectations. But, you know, at the same time, Canada is already looking for new, more reliable trading partners.

Speaker 274 There's reports that South Korean companies are pitching sales of military equipment to Canada, which is significant because in the past, Canada's gotten most of their defense products from the U.S.

Speaker 29 Ah, there you go.

Speaker 26 Once again,

Speaker 115 you need us.

Speaker 92 Our defense products.

Speaker 130 Yeah, and that's what the deal was all about.

Speaker 139 It's pretty obvious when you watch.

Speaker 215 I watched the thing from the beginning. I just caught it right at the beginning.
Watch the whole thing.

Speaker 235 It's boring.

Speaker 212 And then everyone's yelling.

Speaker 199 Carney is there looking left and right because all the reporters are yelling and screaming like maniacs.

Speaker 171 And so he's thought it was kind of amusing.

Speaker 121 He got to speak three times, I think, and they were all conciliatory.

Speaker 138 And Trump is really nice, and it was conciliatory.

Speaker 71 There was a couple of jokes about the 51st state,

Speaker 139 but that didn't go very far, and he didn't want to talk about it, obviously.

Speaker 48 And then he just stopped it at some point.

Speaker 100 He just

Speaker 215 stopped it. Because Carney was trying to get in

Speaker 121 one last comment.

Speaker 38 He kept moving his hand toward Trump.

Speaker 100 I want to speak. I want to speak.

Speaker 38 And Trump would let him speak when he felt like it.

Speaker 249 But at the end, when he wanted to say some parting words, he Trump just killed the press conference.

Speaker 258 Very interesting. That's what you do.

Speaker 22 Boots on the ground for one of our producers.

Speaker 53 I vacationed in St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada recently.

Speaker 27 At a bar, I asked for an old-fashioned.

Speaker 169 The bartender replied in a huff, We can't make you that.

Speaker 18 We can't make you that.

Speaker 148 We got rid of all bourbon and any American alcohol because of your tariffs.

Speaker 63 I politely accepted and asked for a Cours and was given one with no issue.

Speaker 59 That's funny.

Speaker 113 We would be great with Canada together.

Speaker 127 I think we'd be, you know, what Trump did do is he did something very good for Canada.

Speaker 132 You don't want the Canadian.

Speaker 20 This is what I've said in the Canadian.

Speaker 129 You don't want Canada.

Speaker 52 You don't want Canada.

Speaker 199 I don't want Canada.

Speaker 114 But what he did do is he reignited Canadian national pride.

Speaker 95 And I think that should be recognized.

Speaker 32 It's a good thing, Canada. You kind of lost that.

Speaker 206 He kind of took credit for a lot of stuff when he was.

Speaker 159 I agree. I I think Canada should have its own pride.

Speaker 160 Because the Canadian personality is different.

Speaker 39 They're more curt.

Speaker 217 They complain unlike, they complain in a different way than we do.

Speaker 17 They complain a lot.

Speaker 121 They're bitter.

Speaker 38 They're funnier than we are in general.

Speaker 122 Oh, really? Which I think is, I think so.

Speaker 242 Some of the best comedians in the world came from Canada.

Speaker 84 Definitely good.

Speaker 32 Well, name five.

Speaker 199 Martin Short

Speaker 235 is one.

Speaker 100 All the guys on SC TV, which include Levi, Levy.

Speaker 71 Levy.

Speaker 148 You're already floundering.

Speaker 100 I'm trying to get their names.

Speaker 198 I can give you six bands.

Speaker 133 The woman who is in Home Alone.

Speaker 277 Oh, she's. I loved her set.

Speaker 162 Hey, who did you go see last night?

Speaker 26 The woman who's in home alone.

Speaker 225 Come on.

Speaker 74 But

Speaker 75 Norm McDonald.

Speaker 114 McDonald, I'll give you Norm McDonald.

Speaker 211 Okay, that's four.

Speaker 29 No, that's two.

Speaker 31 That's two. You've given me two.

Speaker 225 Martin Short, Norm McDonald.

Speaker 131 Names, names, names.

Speaker 93 Levy.

Speaker 123 John Candy, was he Canadian?

Speaker 69 Yeah. Okay, three.

Speaker 255 Yeah.

Speaker 22 I can give you five bands Eric Clapton played in.

Speaker 257 I don't care.

Speaker 29 I'm just saying.

Speaker 168 What's that got to do with the price of bread?

Speaker 77 You said all the great comedians come from there.

Speaker 129 No, I didn't say all the great comedians.

Speaker 211 I said a lot.

Speaker 104 They have a better sense of humor than we do.

Speaker 100 And a lot of comedians came from Canada.

Speaker 25 Mike Myers.

Speaker 139 Mike Myers.

Speaker 91 You can go.

Speaker 44 If you start looking down the list, you find a lot.

Speaker 29 Oh, you mean Eugene Levy?

Speaker 36 No, that's the guy.

Speaker 68 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 34 Eugene Levy's from Canada.

Speaker 214 Yes.

Speaker 214 And his son, the gay son.

Speaker 63 And the gay Levy.

Speaker 130 Okay, I got it. And the gay Levy.

Speaker 27 The five. You made it.

Speaker 253 Congratulations.

Speaker 189 You made five.

Speaker 75 I think Defense is a single one.

Speaker 215 Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis.

Speaker 29 Oh, okay.

Speaker 15 What has he done for me lately?

Speaker 29 The shrink the kids.

Speaker 125 Yeah, that was 22 years ago.

Speaker 119 Honey, I shrunk the kids.

Speaker 27 Defense as a service.

Speaker 53 I think that's what's on the president's mind.

Speaker 54 Defense as a service.

Speaker 17 That's absolutely.

Speaker 36 That's what's on his mind.

Speaker 104 That's actually, you nailed it.

Speaker 153 Defense as a service.

Speaker 29 That's what it is.

Speaker 9 Like, hey, we're here for you, Canada.

Speaker 168 Monthly fee.

Speaker 79 Yes, have you read the EULA?

Speaker 132 Did you write?

Speaker 159 Did you sign the license?

Speaker 60 You read the EULA?

Speaker 56 DAS.

Speaker 96 DAS.

Speaker 177 Defense as a service. All right.

Speaker 98 Speaking of defense, we have new information in SignalGate.

Speaker 209 This comes from The Last American Vagabond.

Speaker 29 Ray Christian.

Speaker 9 explains what really happened.

Speaker 118 This is very important.

Speaker 22 And by the way, this is very important.

Speaker 118 This is very important.

Speaker 204 This is because of the use of what Mike Waltz was caught using of what's called telemessage, which is an Israeli intelligence linked, essentially an archive.

Speaker 118 It's like you connect it with your signal and it archives your signal conversations and everybody involved with them and sends it back to the cloud or in this case, Israeli servers.

Speaker 204 That's what this is about.

Speaker 155 And they had to move Mike Waltz out of the way because he's one of the most prolifically outs, you know, outspoken Zionists, all about Israel, which probably is most of Trump's cabinet.

Speaker 29 And so, if they're all using this,

Speaker 204 even just signal, by the way, and are compromising in possible ways with that, but overlapping that with the telemessage dynamic, which they all seem to be using,

Speaker 204 realistically, this just seems like Israel is just completely tapped into every function of the current executive branch, or maybe all of it.

Speaker 299 I mean, it's absolutely mind-blowing how this is coming out, and the focus is on anything but that.

Speaker 36 From the last American Vagabond podcast,

Speaker 43 so enough bullcrap besides the very overt uh

Speaker 27 israel jew hate that he's a zionist um i use signal i have not found uh this uh archive service so is that something that you can set up yourself

Speaker 244 is it uh

Speaker 44 you're asking me i don't know i don't use signal no no i use signal no what would i you what am i going to use it for For your secret messages with your lover.

Speaker 29 What lover? I don't know.

Speaker 216 I always presumed you had one.

Speaker 121 Well, maybe I have more than one.

Speaker 36 Well, there you go.

Speaker 63 Mark Pugner.

Speaker 122 Hey, baby.

Speaker 2 It's Mark Pugner here.

Speaker 255 You got Signal?

Speaker 71 Tech Grouch

Speaker 71 gets all the action.

Speaker 224 You got Signal, baby.

Speaker 75 Today is actually.

Speaker 100 I use WhatsApp. I don't use that either.

Speaker 36 Well, Signal is basically.

Speaker 130 I should probably learn how to use these things just so I could use them.

Speaker 189 Signal is basically an open source version, or I thought it was an open source version of WhatsApp.

Speaker 251 It's the same protocol in essence.

Speaker 6 What's the difference between using that and I use Google Voice to do phone messages?

Speaker 189 Well, obviously, Google Voice goes through Google.

Speaker 224 So, you know, and Google is pretty open about everything.

Speaker 55 They read your Gmail, you know, to help you.

Speaker 224 for your protection and to give you ads and stuff.

Speaker 31 So, you know, anything you mean, love, I love people that use voice to text.

Speaker 141 Yeah, that's not a problem.

Speaker 78 Do you think you think your phone's doing that?

Speaker 225 No, it's

Speaker 94 not a tech.

Speaker 217 By the way, the voice to text on the phone, you've seen it where they say, oh, Lou Dip Grandpa, I play second bass.

Speaker 159 Oh, that's what my granddad.

Speaker 94 Do you ever see that commercial?

Speaker 98 That's the free phone you can get on your Medicaid.

Speaker 190 And it's, yeah, it's voice to text.

Speaker 166 Yes, you're right.

Speaker 11 Have you read the fine print?

Speaker 75 No, because I'm so old and decrepit.

Speaker 53 I need my glasses. I can't see the fine print.

Speaker 113 What does it say, John?

Speaker 249 It says that the voice goes to India and somebody listens and

Speaker 12 they type it out by hand.

Speaker 20 There's no AI.

Speaker 160 There's no voice recognition going on.

Speaker 20 It literally says that.

Speaker 34 Really?

Speaker 38 If you read the bottom, you get...

Speaker 12 And there's a lot of people.

Speaker 225 They're calling me now.

Speaker 43 By the way,

Speaker 159 you're giving up the secrets.

Speaker 27 Well, answer the phone or take it off the hook.

Speaker 160 One or the other. Keep talking, keep talking.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but if but I have something to say, and I know that if I'm talking and you're listening to whatever scammer is calling you, you're not going to be listening to what I say.

Speaker 209 You will miss all my punchlines.

Speaker 16 Are you back?

Speaker 62 All right. Time to drop the noise gate.

Speaker 60 It was an A.

Speaker 122 What? What?

Speaker 159 It was from ATT.

Speaker 78 Oh, ATT?

Speaker 100 Tell me I can get a better deal.

Speaker 253 By the way, this Pakistan-India stick fight, that's going to screw up help desks everywhere.

Speaker 178 We should be very upset about this.

Speaker 192 What were we complaining about before the phone rang?

Speaker 199 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 249 I was saying, yeah, you got to read

Speaker 139 the fine print on that stupid phone.

Speaker 71 It's hilarious.

Speaker 150 So today,

Speaker 79 there will be a vote.

Speaker 131 On the Genius Act.

Speaker 119 This is the big one.

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 169 Have you been following the Genius Act?

Speaker 122 No.

Speaker 78 It's a trick name for the stablecoin legislation.

Speaker 233 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 132 Now I'm interested.

Speaker 244 So

Speaker 118 they time this with the Pope.

Speaker 282 It's perfect.

Speaker 75 We don't want anyone to know what's going on.

Speaker 65 So I just have five very short clips of each of the senators, like half a minute each.

Speaker 53 of each of the senators, pro and con.

Speaker 58 We start with Senator Scott.

Speaker 287 The Genius Act Act establishes common sense rules that require stable coin issuers to maintain reserves backed one-to-one, comply with anti-money laundering laws, and ultimately protect American consumers while promoting the U.S.

Speaker 287 dollar's strength in the global economy. This is about keeping innovation and opportunity on American soil rather than driving it overseas.

Speaker 29 Well, that sounds good.

Speaker 145 I'm all in with Senator Scott. I think he's right.

Speaker 8 What's the logic of this?

Speaker 58 The logic is if we.

Speaker 8 What's the logic?

Speaker 11 Oh, you got the stablecoin, so that'll drive innovation, keep innovation here.

Speaker 29 What are you talking about?

Speaker 210 Well, if you can't use stablecoin in America with American backing, i.e., the treasuries, then it'll be used by China or someone else.

Speaker 64 That's the logic.

Speaker 92 What?

Speaker 95 To make their

Speaker 29 remember, the whole stablecoin gambit is to flood the world with American dollars that are digital.

Speaker 178 That's the gambit.

Speaker 150 But Senator Warren, who of course represents banks in some form, probably British banks, she's against it, but she has a very, very good example of why you don't want this consumer.

Speaker 290 First, the bill ignores basic consumer protections that apply to every other financial product available in America. If you are sending a U.S.

Speaker 290 dollar from your PayPal wallet and you get scammed, the CFPB has the authority right now to help you get your money back.

Speaker 290 But if this bill passes and you're sending a stable coin from your PayPal Pal wallet and you get scammed, you may just be out of luck.

Speaker 156 Oh, no!

Speaker 84 Your Papal wallet

Speaker 84 is only available in the Vatican City, the Papal wallet.

Speaker 29 And

Speaker 84 why what?

Speaker 203 What's her logic?

Speaker 153 She has no logic. There's no logic to that.

Speaker 10 If I got scammed and PayPal is covering my scams,

Speaker 34 although I don't know that they do.

Speaker 66 What difference does it make how I got scammed?

Speaker 95 I'm just telling you that this is Senator Warren.

Speaker 27 Look, there's a vote coming.

Speaker 190 I'm just giving you all sides.

Speaker 36 I have no dog in the hunt.

Speaker 27 Now, Senator Loomis.

Speaker 57 No, I don't.

Speaker 92 I'm not pro-stablecoin.

Speaker 29 Yeah. What do you mean, yeah?

Speaker 29 You are.

Speaker 44 You're a big stablecoin guy.

Speaker 33 I I don't own a single stablecoin.

Speaker 127 Why would I be a pro-stablecoin guy?

Speaker 258 Because you have this basic thesis and you're hoping this whole thesis goes to fruition so you can say, Yeah, I predicted this.

Speaker 17 Well, there's that. That's a dog in the hunt.

Speaker 29 Well, there's that.

Speaker 194 That's a dog in the hunt.

Speaker 29 What else could it be? It's a pretty small doggy.

Speaker 79 We go over to Senator Loomis.

Speaker 187 She is the person who is in charge of all of these crypto bills.

Speaker 300 This bill promotes responsible financial innovation and protects consumers.

Speaker 300 Really? It's that simple.

Speaker 300 This bill also strengthens the dual banking system by creating a strong pathway for both state and federal stablecoin issuers to operate on a level playing field under robust supervision.

Speaker 251 We can have a Texas stablecoin.

Speaker 300 Wyoming pioneered digital asset legislation in 2018, and I'm proud to say this bill builds upon my state's hard work and success

Speaker 300 and framework that creates a very fair but highly transparent and regulated process.

Speaker 29 Okay.

Speaker 140 Senator Haggerty, where's Haggerty from?

Speaker 223 Where's Hagerty?

Speaker 198 I don't know, but I'm telling you, I don't, the more I hear about this stuff, the less I like it.

Speaker 90 Oh, that's this is going to do this is the

Speaker 102 downfall of the economic system.

Speaker 301 Stable coins can actually play a pivotal role in spurring modernization. Whether it's improving transaction efficiency, freeing up working capital, or driving U.S.

Speaker 71 Treasury demand, the benefits of a clear regulatory framework for stablecoin are immense.

Speaker 150 That's the key, driving Treasury demand.

Speaker 301 I want to acknowledge the hard work of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle who've worked tirelessly on this bill and have consulted with countless industry participants, academic experts, and government stakeholders to put together a truly bipartisan effort.

Speaker 16 And I want to underscore that the current draft is,

Speaker 301 in the manager's package that's associated with it, that we're going to vote on today, will address the many claims that were lodged by the ranking member today, and they will clarify the fact that many of the claims simply just aren't applicable here.

Speaker 188 Haggerty's from Tennessee.

Speaker 92 He's a Republican.

Speaker 140 And then the final one is Senator Also Brooks, which is,

Speaker 122 I've never, also, Brooks.

Speaker 173 Like Brooks and K-part and also Brooks?

Speaker 8 It is critical that it.

Speaker 275 It is critical that as we address emerging markets, we do so in a way that protects consumers, that drives innovation, and that allows everyone to participate in and benefit from these markets, and that also prioritizes American leadership.

Speaker 275 I believe that our bill provides an important foundational framework from which to build, and that today we have an opportunity to make positive changes toward our common goal.

Speaker 275 We have heard some concerns that our revisions to the state preemption language may have unintended consequences.

Speaker 275 And I'd like to thank Senators Haggerty and Lummis for their commitment to work with us to address these concerns and to do so on the floor.

Speaker 64 I think this is going to pass.

Speaker 120 And you're right.

Speaker 150 This will be the downfall, but in a different way.

Speaker 177 I think it will be U.S.

Speaker 63 total dominance over financial markets worldwide.

Speaker 84 And if the stable coin falls, then it'll bring down the rest of the world.

Speaker 23 And we'll be sitting here on a nice island loving our paper dollars.

Speaker 191 Anyway, it's happening today, so we'll see.

Speaker 121 I don't know what to make of it.

Speaker 191 No, I know you don't, but I'm excited about it.

Speaker 121 Yeah, I know. That's why I said you have a dog in the hunt.

Speaker 32 I'm very disappointed by our producers.

Speaker 140 We have at least five air traffic controllers in Gitmo Nation.

Speaker 29 And I think

Speaker 75 three of those are in Indianapolis, one of the most active no agenda groups, meetup groups.

Speaker 237 Not a single one has emailed me about Newark Airport.

Speaker 36 Not a single one.

Speaker 150 I mean, as a producer of the best podcast in the universe, whenever something happens that you are an absolute expert in, it is your duty and obligation to email us.

Speaker 75 and tell us what's going on with this story.

Speaker 302 This morning, we continue to see massive travel disruptions at one of the nation's busiest airports, and we're getting new information about what initially caused the delays and cancellations.

Speaker 302 Air traffic controllers temporarily lost communication with planes flying in and out of Newark International Airport.

Speaker 29 Is that bad?

Speaker 83 That's not good.

Speaker 302 There was a malfunction with Federal Aviation Administration equipment and air traffic controllers were unable to see, hear, or talk with any aircraft.

Speaker 141 It's not clear how long communication was lost, but because of that incident, several air traffic controllers went on leave.

Speaker 302 New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy sent a letter to Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy yesterday asking for technology upgrades at Newark Airport.

Speaker 64 Well, so they want more money.

Speaker 209 But so I guess I know that radar went out for about 60 or 90 seconds, which is not good.

Speaker 75 I don't know if all other comms went down, but not a single, not a single email.

Speaker 245 I just checked to make sure that I didn't get anything.

Speaker 77 I did get something else, though, from...

Speaker 104 Take a look at this video.

Speaker 279 It's more than a year old from September of 2021, from what we understand from an Indian military source.

Speaker 279 And here you have the Chinese and Indian militaries beating each other over a barbed wire high in the Himalayas.

Speaker 214 Again,

Speaker 279 we've been able to confirm that this took place around September 28th, 2021.

Speaker 43 That doesn't actually say stick fight, but the video shows them hitting each other with sticks.

Speaker 93 You were right.

Speaker 212 It's a big deal in that area.

Speaker 214 Yeah, stick fights.

Speaker 222 I think think we should do that at meetups.

Speaker 45 We have a stick fight.

Speaker 29 Yeah, we should have a stick fight.

Speaker 140 Yeah, this is a great idea.

Speaker 258 You have to hate the other side.

Speaker 71 People who meet us like each other.

Speaker 29 No, that's won't.

Speaker 198 We have a pillow fight.

Speaker 18 And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.

Speaker 183 Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the corpus of artificial intelligence.

Speaker 154 Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only mister, John C.

Speaker 143 DeMora.

Speaker 168 Oops.

Speaker 225 Well, in the morning, you had to curry in the morning, all ships of the sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and nights out there.

Speaker 29 Yeah, where's all the noisemakers, man?

Speaker 261 This is total dud.

Speaker 79 Oh, there we go.

Speaker 74 Hold on a second, trolls.

Speaker 4 Let me count on for a second.

Speaker 23 I don't know what it was.

Speaker 53 The stable coin of the stick fights.

Speaker 22 1721 today.

Speaker 122 We're low. Yeah, we're low.

Speaker 121 Stable coin. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 29 It was three minutes of your life.

Speaker 130 Three minutes for these guys.

Speaker 63 1,721 trolls. Checking us out in the troll room at trollroom.io.

Speaker 29 Or soon.

Speaker 55 I hope you'll be using one of those modern podcast apps.

Speaker 68 Coming very, very soon, you will be able to donate to the show through your modern podcast app by hitting a button in the app.

Speaker 32 And you can choose PayPal, Cash App, Venmo, whatever you want.

Speaker 150 It will come to us in regular form.

Speaker 178 This is an amazing new technology that's taking place.

Speaker 53 I just got a demonstration of it yesterday.

Speaker 44 How much more off the top does go disappears?

Speaker 29 Nothing.

Speaker 65 Just the regular, the regular cost.

Speaker 224 And now, what they're really building it for, which is funny enough that they would present it to me, is that now you can have bonus episodes or premium content.

Speaker 123 I said, can we have premium content that is exactly the same?

Speaker 29 Well, yeah, you could.

Speaker 27 Well, good.

Speaker 219 Then I'm interested in using it.

Speaker 134 They You know, we don't do that.

Speaker 41 We don't do bonus content.

Speaker 50 Who came up with this idea?

Speaker 75 The boys at Fountain?

Speaker 100 No, I'm talking about the bonus content.

Speaker 36 Oh, goodness.

Speaker 57 I mean,

Speaker 186 I think it started with Patreon.

Speaker 243 I think Patreon.

Speaker 121 I think they're the ones.

Speaker 53 Yeah, I think Patreon kind of started that.

Speaker 75 Yeah. No, we don't participate in that nonsense.

Speaker 66 And why does anybody buy into it?

Speaker 214 We've discussed the psychological impact of it.

Speaker 132 It ruins the show.

Speaker 20 And the reason it ruins the show is because you don't know what you talked about in the bonus.

Speaker 132 We have enough trouble just talking

Speaker 14 off the air. And there's a do we talk about that on the show?

Speaker 225 I don't know. Did we? I don't know.
I don't remember.

Speaker 49 It's always a problem.

Speaker 186 If we talk about anything off the air, then it never makes it on the air because we think we've talked about it, which is why we don't talk.

Speaker 120 Right.

Speaker 129 It's a good reason.

Speaker 96 Well, it's one of the many, but this is a good reason.

Speaker 178 There's many reasons we don't talk.

Speaker 20 But the idea that you'd have this bonus content of a special material is pathetic.

Speaker 32 It is kind of pathetic.

Speaker 30 I agree.

Speaker 29 I mean, you get no points.

Speaker 132 And it's a gimmick.

Speaker 84 Now, it wouldn't be pathetic, for example.

Speaker 139 I can see rationale for it under one circumstance.

Speaker 243 And it's the Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged Show.

Speaker 223 That's a reason.

Speaker 29 Right.

Speaker 65 If you had some special

Speaker 189 stock tips, yeah.

Speaker 128 Yeah.

Speaker 23 So kind of related to that,

Speaker 23 the South African parliament is going to regulate podcasts.

Speaker 217 Yes, I saw that.

Speaker 34 That's a good topic to discuss.

Speaker 61 Yes, they are.

Speaker 226 They want to.

Speaker 71 It's unbelievable to me.

Speaker 119 They want to update.

Speaker 130 They want to license podcasters.

Speaker 132 Which I have been predicting forever.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 76 Well, go figure it happens in South Africa first.

Speaker 78 So they are recognizing the power of the podcast.

Speaker 36 The power.

Speaker 64 I mean, hold on a second.

Speaker 67 The power of the podcast.

Speaker 203 Because let's be on.

Speaker 203 Sorry.

Speaker 29 Let's be off.

Speaker 134 Let's be honest.

Speaker 35 The podcast has a lot of power. We got a lot of power.

Speaker 117 You know, we have so much power.

Speaker 29 Where did I have this?

Speaker 65 There was a, I guess we had a.

Speaker 178 I thought I put this in here somewhere.

Speaker 25 We had an end of show mix.

Speaker 25 And James, no, who was it?

Speaker 210 Pilato, I think the guy's name is.

Speaker 75 Well, anyway, he was on the Corbett report.

Speaker 168 The Corbett report.

Speaker 250 Oh, from Japan?

Speaker 191 Isn't he in China or somewhere else?

Speaker 36 Oh, he's in Japan, isn't he?

Speaker 65 So he was all jitty

Speaker 75 that some little bit of his, and I don't know exactly how much, but some of it wound up in an end-of-show mix.

Speaker 92 And I was taken aback a bit because to this guy, it was like a big deal. Listen to this.

Speaker 172 Not just one media appearance by yours truly in the last week.

Speaker 205 I had a second appearance, James.

Speaker 303 I made it to no agenda.

Speaker 304 Media Monarchy remixed on no agenda.

Speaker 303 It was some of my editorializing and dialogue from this very show, New World Next Week.

Speaker 203 And it was only our previous episode talking about we're going to know the causes of autism come September.

Speaker 172 So says RFKJ.

Speaker 303 I don't know who made the mix.

Speaker 231 It is fantastic.

Speaker 205 They called it Scream Circle.

Speaker 8 I played it on my morning show this morning.

Speaker 205 So I do feel a little bit like, man, I've been on no agenda.

Speaker 304 I think between, you know, hanging out with Corbett and being on no agenda, that's pretty good so far for my 20th anniversary.

Speaker 29 We're a big deal.

Speaker 243 What a M.

Speaker 29 I like it.

Speaker 29 I was like, whoa, whoa. Whoa, we matter.

Speaker 15 We matter in podcast world.

Speaker 15 And we know Megan Kelly, but we know.

Speaker 136 Megan, she's getting, she's moving up the ranks.

Speaker 199 She's more and more entertaining.

Speaker 9 More and more showbiz stuff.

Speaker 215 Number one.

Speaker 243 Showbiz stuff.

Speaker 10 Talking about.

Speaker 114 Yeah. Is she vying for a gig on E.T.?

Speaker 22 Is that what she wants?

Speaker 213 She's going to make more money doing what she's doing.

Speaker 217 She can talk about the

Speaker 100 Met Gala as well as anyone.

Speaker 237 Well, you did the Met Gala in the show, in the newsletter.

Speaker 61 Of course I did.

Speaker 121 Yeah, do you?

Speaker 137 I think it's a disgusting display of decadence.

Speaker 6 I think it should be stopped.

Speaker 198 I had the pictures of these freaks that are dressed up weirdly.

Speaker 137 And I think the whole thing is almost like talk about Sodom and Gomorrah.

Speaker 36 Yeah, this was the dandy theme, right?

Speaker 216 That was was the theme this year, Dandy.

Speaker 121 Something like that, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 23 What I thought really, did you see Pam Anderson?

Speaker 133 No,

Speaker 94 everybody was

Speaker 44 the number of people that have $75,000 to throw away on the ticket, plus whatever it costs to develop a dress

Speaker 59 or a suit.

Speaker 75 Well, I mean, that's the most, most of the time, the designers do that just to be the designers.

Speaker 70 Some of this stuff is.

Speaker 119 But Pam Anderson, she did not look good.

Speaker 24 And she had bangs i don't i mean i couldn't get past her hair let alone this enormous silver dress she had on but she had bangs every woman knows certainly over 50 you do not do bangs it was it was

Speaker 45 that was bad

Speaker 35 anyway

Speaker 47 um

Speaker 35 Time, Talents, and Treasure is how we do our business here.

Speaker 23 We don't do any bonus content or any other strange things like that.

Speaker 79 No, we do this as a public service.

Speaker 75 We even promote other podcasters as a public service.

Speaker 84 We do all of that, and we're happy for it.

Speaker 118 And you can support us

Speaker 196 by

Speaker 196 three ways.

Speaker 209 Time, talent, treasure.

Speaker 41 Should be treasure at the front because that is the most needed, obviously, since we don't force you into some kind of compliance.

Speaker 31 Well, if you get value out of the program, then you send some value back.

Speaker 148 What are you laughing about?

Speaker 121 Compliance.

Speaker 91 You must pay us or you get nothing.

Speaker 261 We will get no content if you you don't pay us.

Speaker 27 No, we're not like that.

Speaker 40 We're nice guys.

Speaker 178 We're nice guys. Well, again,

Speaker 63 we're no

Speaker 37 Megan Kelly, but we're nice guys.

Speaker 25 And let me see.

Speaker 37 Is this right?

Speaker 16 Did I do the right art for?

Speaker 170 I don't think I did the right art somehow.

Speaker 29 Did the wrong art?

Speaker 46 I'm looking at

Speaker 196 episode.

Speaker 29 Oh, wait.

Speaker 210 Episode 1761.

Speaker 216 I guess for some reason I didn't put it in

Speaker 233 the archive.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 177 Hold on a second.

Speaker 41 Noagendanotes.com.

Speaker 119 Here you go. 70.

Speaker 188 No.

Speaker 41 No agenda notes.

Speaker 73 What is this?

Speaker 178 What is this nonsense?

Speaker 41 Let me take a look at our website, noagendashow.net.

Speaker 73 Okay, that's our website.

Speaker 31 Whoa, I'm trying to figure out who did the art for us.

Speaker 243 And for some reason, Kirimanga.

Speaker 63 I know, but here it is.

Speaker 64 I finally got it.

Speaker 144 there it is yes as we were looking at the art and this is part of the time and talent uh portion of the value that is being sent to us through noagenda gen art generator.com we were looking at a lot of different choices and when we saw scaramango's art which is of course ai generated there was like he did something that is very risky He decided to just put every topic, everything and the kitchen sink into the show, including severe underage drinking.

Speaker 27 And it hit the mark.

Speaker 130 He's got everything in there.

Speaker 29 And he nailed it.

Speaker 235 Chemtrails, the Pope.

Speaker 235 He's got Cookie Monster.

Speaker 237 People feeding

Speaker 227 the beast.

Speaker 194 Some

Speaker 63 Cinco de Mayo.

Speaker 78 And then kids drinking margaritas.

Speaker 201 Kids drinking margaritas.

Speaker 29 Seven-year-olds.

Speaker 132 Or some sort of adorable.

Speaker 131 Yeah. And we're like,

Speaker 29 yeah, you know what?

Speaker 31 That's good enough.

Speaker 152 We'll take it.

Speaker 186 We thought it was grandiose.

Speaker 206 Well, we couldn't find anything to beat it.

Speaker 92 Well, we did discuss some things.

Speaker 189 Let me see what we discussed.

Speaker 53 There was the Kim Kardashian butt coin.

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 187 Rubik's score, Blue Acorns, No Agenda 33, Tattoo on the Knuckles was discussed.

Speaker 233 Was discussed.

Speaker 211 You liked it. I didn't.
Yeah.

Speaker 75 Comics for Blogger back with a vengeance with a Mexican butt.

Speaker 63 No.

Speaker 244 We looked at Go Fox's Harvard.

Speaker 4 The

Speaker 22 Harvard demonstrators in front of the White House.

Speaker 23 It was just, yeah, it wasn't really funny.

Speaker 49 A lot of Pope stuff that we'd never do.

Speaker 224 Pope smoking,

Speaker 224 Pope with boxing gloves.

Speaker 177 No.

Speaker 170 What else was there? Was there anything?

Speaker 27 Was there anything else that we thought was even close?

Speaker 178 I don't think so. No.

Speaker 75 Oh, you like the, was that the chemtrails, the Darren O'Neill chemtrails, evil guy in the plane?

Speaker 267 You did mention that.

Speaker 132 I might have mentioned it, but I don't think it really held a candle to this thing.

Speaker 186 No Agenda 57,

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 113 Heinz bottle.

Speaker 137 I did mention that.

Speaker 211 I like that.

Speaker 2 You like that one.

Speaker 108 And

Speaker 54 Angry Pope, no.

Speaker 29 Yeah, that was it. It was good.

Speaker 32 I mean, Scaramanga took a risk, a leap of faith, and it paid off.

Speaker 141 I mean, sometimes that just happens. And we appreciate that.

Speaker 53 We want to say thank you very much, Scaramanga.

Speaker 76 We appreciate what you do.

Speaker 152 Now we will thank our executive and associate executive producers.

Speaker 22 We thank everybody who donates $50 or above.

Speaker 186 And at this point in the show, we thank our executive and associate executive producers. How do you become that?

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Speaker 65 $300 above, same rules apply for the credit.

Speaker 152 Of course, it's an executive producer credit, and we will read your note.

Speaker 27 And coming in, our top donor, you haven't heard from him for a while i think it's been two months maybe

Speaker 265 has it been two years at least uh with 2606

Speaker 53 which means at least three two dollar bills sironymous of dog patch and lower slobovia and we always love hearing from him and we're happy to hear that he's alive and doing well and he always has a long note he sends this in cash from different places around the united states and it comes with a uh a printed note is it printed or typewritten printed it looks looks printed.

Speaker 130 I believe it to be printed.

Speaker 72 From Seonymas and Dog Patch and Lower Slobovia. Thank you to all the producers that make this show such an important source of information and

Speaker 98 perspective, even if sometimes Islamophobic.

Speaker 35 When have we done Islamophobic stuff?

Speaker 32 I mean, true Islamophobic, like irrational fear.

Speaker 17 Irrational fear.

Speaker 100 I feel we've bitched and moaned about one thing or another.

Speaker 64 We bitch about all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 139 Might be interpreted as such.

Speaker 258 Well,

Speaker 144 it's like transphobic.

Speaker 251 You know, it's like I'm not irrationally afraid of trans people, but

Speaker 22 your point is taken.

Speaker 58 The April blizzard has been longer and more intense than expected.

Speaker 22 Many didn't slow down and drove into a ditch.

Speaker 63 Others are just looking out their window and waiting it out.

Speaker 22 Some wisely just slowed down, gripped the wheel tightly, and used no agenda as the flashing taillights in front of us to help navigate the storm. He's writing prose now.

Speaker 29 From inside the U.S., looking out.

Speaker 12 He's on a roll. He is.

Speaker 38 He's over.

Speaker 250 You know, he normally gets it out of his system once a month.

Speaker 62 Yeah, this is two months, so he has a lot to say.

Speaker 154 From inside the U.S., looking out.

Speaker 45 So, what?

Speaker 58 So, what that we screw the country.

Speaker 100 He's stuck outside the country somehow.

Speaker 34 Yeah, he probably is.

Speaker 14 So, he's stuck outside the country.

Speaker 23 And he's mad.

Speaker 132 And he's irked that he's not back

Speaker 199 wherever he normally is.

Speaker 38 And he's reading foreign

Speaker 199 news outlets, which are all New York Times, basically, that have been repurposed.

Speaker 59 Yes.

Speaker 100 And he's being slowly brainwashed to be

Speaker 71 hateful.

Speaker 29 Well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 206 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 77 So, what that we screw the countries we source products?

Speaker 265 Isn't the saying the customer is always right?

Speaker 58 After all, the U.S.

Speaker 118 is always the customer, except in DIB.

Speaker 244 What's DIB?

Speaker 244 What's DIB?

Speaker 121 I have no idea.

Speaker 75 So, he says he goes goes on to countries that sell to the U.S.

Speaker 22 as we dogpatchians say, get over it.

Speaker 131 We're the customer and we're right.

Speaker 26 Oh, he's on a roll. You're right.

Speaker 68 From outside the U.S.

Speaker 156 looking in, what the hell?

Speaker 169 You keep demanding cheaper goods than bits that you don't like that our people work harder for less.

Speaker 77 The tariffs you impose to subsidize paying your people to make trade equal cause our poor people to lose jobs.

Speaker 31 And then he has a piece.

Speaker 25 Was this, is this just

Speaker 219 an artifact of the scan, or was this pasted on top?

Speaker 189 It looks like it's a separate piece, or is that just a fold in the paper?

Speaker 132 There's nothing separate.

Speaker 38 You talk about always? No, the only thing I see.

Speaker 29 No. Okay.

Speaker 36 Well, I'm going to read the last paragraph.

Speaker 118 Worse, you suspend the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act so your big rich companies can be openly corrupt instead of just sleazy.

Speaker 268 Well, hello.

Speaker 46 We're foam finger number one.

Speaker 115 As an American with considerable international experience and acknowledging the reality of international business dealings, holding a moral advantage of integrity reinforced by noting bribery is a U.S.

Speaker 154 crime often

Speaker 127 prosecuted, offered some protection from participating in backdoor auctions.

Speaker 62 We already know how to do business internationally.

Speaker 277 Don't open bribes, especially if they are tax-deductible.

Speaker 36 No jingles and no karma.

Speaker 26 Wow.

Speaker 113 He seems a little down on everything.

Speaker 217 Yeah, I have to look.

Speaker 13 I didn't know that

Speaker 201 we suspended the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

Speaker 75 I was not aware of that.

Speaker 121 Well, I'm going to look, check this out. Okay.
Yes, right.

Speaker 100 Because he could have been reading something in the

Speaker 121 independent, for all we know, which is.

Speaker 187 Or in The Guardian.

Speaker 114 The Guardian, maybe.

Speaker 35 You don't know.

Speaker 53 Thank you, Sironymus of Dog Patch Lower Slobovia.

Speaker 45 Your contributions and your producing of the show is always highly, highly valued and appreciated.

Speaker 71 From there, I'll look this up as we go along, but meanwhile, I'll read the note from

Speaker 191 Dame Susan in McKinney, Texas.

Speaker 128 McKinney, you must know.

Speaker 35 McKinney, McKinney.

Speaker 225 For $500.

Speaker 59 And she

Speaker 139 came in late for a Commodore ship, so we gave her one.

Speaker 139 Oh, this should be postmarked in time for the Commodore ship, so hopefully not too late for the Commodore inclusion.

Speaker 201 Sorry for my tardiness.

Speaker 122 I would like to gift this honor to my son, Elliot,

Speaker 71 as an early birthday gift for a date to be celebrated in June.

Speaker 201 His grandfather was Commodore

Speaker 34 of Rush Creek Yacht Club in the last century.

Speaker 233 Wow, a real one.

Speaker 198 So this

Speaker 143 is fairly appropriate.

Speaker 44 No jingles, just lots of yak karma for the Arizona crew.

Speaker 35 All the best.

Speaker 217 Dame Susan of the

Speaker 133 Soldier We

Speaker 229 You've got

Speaker 4 Karma. Nice.

Speaker 65 Then, oh, well, this shows you that war is always profitable and a racket. This is a donation coming from the great Curry Horowitz Frackis.

Speaker 75 433.33 from frannie frannie says hey guys thank you for your humor insight and clarity you are true national treasures adam please give my beautiful pickleball girlfriend sylphia corn jones birthday wishes in her native dutch language she's one of the best people i know thanks

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Speaker 97 Thank you for all that you do.

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Speaker 22 God bless the tech grouch and the pod father.

Speaker 144 Eight more years, says Franny, and she adds P.S.

Speaker 148 Adam.

Speaker 75 We are not swingers, nor do we belong to a key party, whatever that is.

Speaker 40 We're just fun weekend drunks.

Speaker 22 Horowitz should invite you to South Florida for one of his gatherings.

Speaker 154 John, we know you won't show, but you should be invited to.

Speaker 58 Bye.

Speaker 267 Oh, well, isn't that nice?

Speaker 94 So, the Corrupt Practices Act was suspended in February by Trump

Speaker 160 for a period of 180 days, during which time the U.S. Attorney General will seek to align the FCPA enforcement with the Trump administration's twin aims of enhancing national security

Speaker 250 and restoring competitive balance in the global economy for the American companies.

Speaker 258 In other words, there's some bribes involved.

Speaker 29 So, what is the Corrupt Foreign Practices Act?

Speaker 153 How do you run afoul of it?

Speaker 207 Well, that's a good ⁇ that actually can be answered if I just go back a page

Speaker 71 because it showed up.

Speaker 15 So I know that how I do not run afoul of it, obviously.

Speaker 10 What does the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act ban?

Speaker 44 That'll be probably...

Speaker 39 The FCPA is a federal law enforced by the Department of Justice, which prohibits payments, gifts, or even offers of anything of value to a foreign official for the purpose of influencing the official or otherwise securing any improper advantage in obtaining, retaining, or directing business.

Speaker 84 So we're bribing foreign officials?

Speaker 195 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 150 And who's doing that? Is it trying to get a business?

Speaker 130 I think this is targeted. This has to be targeted to somebody or other.

Speaker 160 China.

Speaker 137 I think Onimus is on to something.

Speaker 61 He's onto something here.

Speaker 249 But it's only going to go on for 180 days.

Speaker 138 So the period of bribery ends.

Speaker 63 Get in now.

Speaker 13 get stocks while the stocks last, people.

Speaker 18 Get your bribes now.

Speaker 38 It ends in about 70 days.

Speaker 150 Oh, well, there's plenty of time to get some bribes.

Speaker 44 Oh, there's plenty. You have a month more or two months.
Nice.

Speaker 217 So something's up with this.

Speaker 29 I agree.

Speaker 78 Thank you, Onimus.

Speaker 75 He knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 79 He's always, he's always

Speaker 12 bringing costume.

Speaker 44 You're probably a country.

Speaker 14 He probably lost a contract.

Speaker 119 Oh, yeah. Or a country.

Speaker 267 Could be.

Speaker 128 Yeah.

Speaker 122 All right.

Speaker 122 You're up.

Speaker 176 Onward.

Speaker 13 Oh, it's my turn? Yes. Ah.

Speaker 71 Nepal Plummer in Rexburg, Idaho, 333.33.

Speaker 12 And this is greetings from Rexburg in eastern Idaho, home of the BYU, Idaho, where students get Ivy League ROI on a Ramen budget.

Speaker 74 Okay.

Speaker 6 I stumbled on a no agenda show a few months ago, and I quickly became the only podcast I listened to

Speaker 102 because we're the only podcast you should listen to.

Speaker 29 Well, there's that.

Speaker 100 Mostly because it's cheaper than therapy and twice as effective.

Speaker 65 Oh, there's the endorsement.

Speaker 66 I get incredible value from this show and have been hitting folks in the mouth, but apparently critical thinking isn't contagious.

Speaker 91 I'd like to request a dedouching.

Speaker 125 You've been deduced.

Speaker 48 He wraps it up with thank you for your courage.

Speaker 24 Oh, nice one.

Speaker 27 Jim Watts is in Whistler, British Columbia,

Speaker 144 home of the Calgary Stampede, but nearby at least.

Speaker 76 I've been to Whistler. I have skied Whistler back in the day.

Speaker 162 240, Associate Executive Producer is where we're at already.

Speaker 32 Please find my annual Cinco de Mayo birthday donation of 333.

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Speaker 209 We still honor your Dolorettes.

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Speaker 9 Jim Watts, PhD, the Baron of Whistler.

Speaker 226 You got your karma right here, Doctor.

Speaker 78 You've got karma.

Speaker 71 I have never taken this drive, but supposedly the most beautiful drive in the world

Speaker 39 is from Whistler to Vancouver.

Speaker 162 Or, yes, it takes about two hours, if I can recall.

Speaker 80 It's beautiful, but it's like, it's two hours.

Speaker 197 Well, it takes four and a half hours to drive to L.A.

Speaker 71 And it's not pretty at all.

Speaker 29 There's no reason to do that at all. No.

Speaker 39 BioPros in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 138 What is this number here? It's

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Speaker 20 Do you have it? I don't have it.

Speaker 96 Oh, I think it's attached to the scans.

Speaker 54 Let me see.

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Speaker 218 I may have it here.

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Speaker 29 Ah, the BioPros, Driftwood, Texas,

Speaker 75 222.21, which is four number twos and one number one.

Speaker 95 Thanks for that. Thank you, Crackpot, and BuzzKillin, and to all the No Agenda producers.

Speaker 58 The Biopros.com experienced one of its best sales week after our initial sponsorship.

Speaker 29 There's no sponsors.

Speaker 150 Oh, I see what they're trying to do here.

Speaker 186 Yeah, we're not, you know, you got to be careful what you're doing here with your donation notes.

Speaker 22 Thebiopros.com experienced one of its best sales weeks after our initial sponsorship.

Speaker 9 Small business owners take heed.

Speaker 79 Value for value works both ways.

Speaker 29 Oh, really?

Speaker 277 Our flagship product, BioSeptic Pro, was developed in the wake of Deepwater Horizon oil sales.

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Speaker 77 And I'm surprised they haven't sent it to me yet.

Speaker 26 This

Speaker 17 is stunned by that.

Speaker 100 I'm surprised that I haven't gotten anything from anyone from Florida either regarding the Gators' win of the basketball championship.

Speaker 65 So apparently this bio says.

Speaker 129 And I guess we're also worried about

Speaker 71 our coffee supplies down, which

Speaker 36 yes, I haven't.

Speaker 141 Eli the coffee guy also has not gone.

Speaker 29 All the free all the free stuff is gone.

Speaker 91 That's the only reason we do this show for free stuff.

Speaker 63 Come on, people.

Speaker 119 I mean, we got lots of challenge coins, but it's time for some free stuff.

Speaker 144 Anyway, this Bioseptic Pro apparently, I don't know for sure, digests grease, fats, oil, sludge, paper, and organic matter, which is code for poop, with ease.

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Speaker 199 Michael S.

Speaker 100 in Knightdale, North Carolina, 21165.

Speaker 11 My daughter is under one.

Speaker 129 So please record the lecture on media literacy.

Speaker 249 Ah, she's talking.

Speaker 121 This is aimed at you.

Speaker 102 Or at least prepare a slideshow with links to audio.

Speaker 212 This is again aiming at you. This is you.

Speaker 132 The children of tomorrow need you.

Speaker 10 John, let me hear.

Speaker 45 Uh-oh.

Speaker 132 And I love my truck.

Speaker 128 thank you okay i can do that

Speaker 128 uh-oh

Speaker 128 i love my truck and i love what i do

Speaker 29 that should be uh at minimum uh an executive producer request i mean that's like that's live maybe that that's that's stuff we're doing live i'm just saying

Speaker 27 uh steve down who is this

Speaker 192 you should be at we should be upselling everybody are you going to record the lecture on mental literacy media i'm not i'm not

Speaker 27 Mental literacy.

Speaker 32 I'm not doing anything on mental literacy.

Speaker 87 I'm doing something on propaganda.

Speaker 233 Propaganda.

Speaker 130 Well, that's media literacy.

Speaker 32 No, it's not.

Speaker 184 It's about propaganda.

Speaker 77 I'm just going to play some super cuts and mic dropping them out.

Speaker 119 Thank you. Thanks for coming, kids.

Speaker 123 Steve Downtown Brown, Monticello, Indiana.

Speaker 97 210.

Speaker 234 Switcheroo, he says, this is for my good buddy Jason Meyer, who first introduced me to your show.

Speaker 75 His birthday was Tuesday, and on the same day, he passed his CISSP exam.

Speaker 84 Okay, what is that?

Speaker 198 It's a, yeah.

Speaker 162 Is that some kind of computer thing?

Speaker 20 I'll look it up as you read.

Speaker 77 Please make sure he gets the credit for this donation with some extra for any fees.

Speaker 29 Absolutely.

Speaker 213 Why am I closing my browsers constantly?

Speaker 226 This is an excellent question.

Speaker 22 It borderlines on a great question because this is a podcast where we look stuff up, book a knowledge.

Speaker 72 You should never be closing your browser.

Speaker 13 And by the way, I think I'm clicking on the roots.

Speaker 55 Just admit you're using Edge.

Speaker 209 We all know it.

Speaker 71 Official, I use Firefox, which is worse.

Speaker 68 Certified Information System Security Professional.

Speaker 178 Got it.

Speaker 84 It's because my browser's open.

Speaker 121 Well, then I didn't need to do all that. No, you didn't.

Speaker 95 You didn't.

Speaker 22 And our last one, go for it.

Speaker 243 Yeah, Linda LuPatkins here.

Speaker 139 She's from Lakewood, Colorado, and she drops in 200 bucks into the pot.

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Speaker 201 Jobs, jobs,

Speaker 305 jobs, and jobs.

Speaker 277 Let's vote for jobs.

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Speaker 68 Okay, so Eli, the coffee guy, is M-I-A.

Speaker 249 Yes, because he's sending us coffee.

Speaker 90 He figures that's good enough.

Speaker 214 No, it's not.

Speaker 29 But okay.

Speaker 49 I did get a make-good request from Sir Haggis.

Speaker 22 We do break for nights. He says, I need to ask a favor.

Speaker 114 When I donated on April 24th for my 50th birthday, I forgot to ask you to play my jingle that I forgot to attach to the donation email.

Speaker 277 Well, it's clearly your fault, Sir Haggis.

Speaker 63 Would it be out of the question to just throw this in somewhere to make up for my hopeless memory?

Speaker 195 I'll understand if not.

Speaker 183 Well, that's not how we operate, Sir Haggis.

Speaker 9 We break for nights.

Speaker 23 There you go.

Speaker 178 That was his jingle.

Speaker 63 It's a little gourier and goat together.

Speaker 230 Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers for supporting us for episode 1762.

Speaker 202 We thank you very much for this.

Speaker 187 And of course, you will be thanked if you're $50 or above at any point.

Speaker 251 We'll be doing that in our second segment.

Speaker 98 And you can always set up a recurring donation.

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Speaker 230 And again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producers for 1762.

Speaker 26 Our formula is this.

Speaker 85 We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Speaker 85 Order!

Speaker 39 I do have a clip I want to get out of the way, which did have to do with the Pope, but it was about the conclave, specifically some producer sentenced.

Speaker 66 And I thought it was interesting because it brings up a point.

Speaker 132 I've never heard this term.

Speaker 160 I don't know anything about it.

Speaker 201 This was during a one or two hour special with Nora O'Donnell and somebody else sitting in the plaza there, just across from the Sistine Chapel, yakking away about nothing.

Speaker 13 But this commentary came through it, and I thought it would be worth the, this is, this one is not topic, it's not, it has nothing to do with the Pope selection at all, but play this clip as the conclave clip.

Speaker 286 The one thing we know they're not doing is checking Instagram because their devices have a lot of money.

Speaker 85 I believe the kids call it raw dogging it if you're going to go through a period of time with no electronic device. Yeah, oh, right.
Well, they're of a certain age that they might be used to.

Speaker 4 I just wanted to

Speaker 44 have you ever heard this term raw dogging.

Speaker 84 The kids call it raw dogging.

Speaker 92 Well, it is a sex term from where I come from.

Speaker 51 Raw dogging is having sex without use of a prophylactic.

Speaker 244 That's how I've always understood the term raw doggin.

Speaker 217 Somebody slipped it in there then.

Speaker 136 Somebody

Speaker 6 this is a little it's I think this was a a plant, one of those things that you slip into the mainstream media to embarrass people.

Speaker 169 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 92 Although I've heard it used in

Speaker 62 other terms than

Speaker 245 unprotected sex.

Speaker 76 I've heard it.

Speaker 160 Yeah, but I don't see the connection between unprotected sex and not using your phone.

Speaker 94 The connection, this is elusive.

Speaker 53 I'm just telling you.

Speaker 216 Let me see what

Speaker 65 the trolls say.

Speaker 177 No, no.

Speaker 74 I don't know.

Speaker 45 I think this was planted

Speaker 71 as a joke, as a wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Speaker 22 Or it can also be no, no, lube.

Speaker 42 That can be another version.

Speaker 202 You're just making it up now, aren't you, trolls?

Speaker 84 It's like a stick fight, basically, raw dogging winter stick fight.

Speaker 62 So I'm getting incoming

Speaker 19 that the new Pope, Leo XIV,

Speaker 53 is no big President Trump fan.

Speaker 217 Oh, that's why they picked him then.

Speaker 196 Yep.

Speaker 186 He has posted in the past.

Speaker 53 Now, this is before he was president in 2016, that his anti-immigrant rhetoric is problematic.

Speaker 177 He,

Speaker 297 oh, here's something more recent.

Speaker 41 Yeah, I think he may not be a fan of President Trump.

Speaker 29 We'll see.

Speaker 27 He doesn't have to be.

Speaker 209 That's fine.

Speaker 224 It doesn't have to be, but that may have helped in

Speaker 245 God's choice, I guess.

Speaker 178 Yeah. I'm not sure how that works.

Speaker 183 Well, speaking of raw dogging, baby.

Speaker 306 Decorated musical executive, producer, and songwriter, 85-year-old William Smokey Robinson, coming under fire.

Speaker 306 Four of his former housekeepers allege repeated and brutal sexual assaults and harassment at the hands of their former boss.

Speaker 298 I will not describe the details of the sexual assaults and rapes because they're too graphic and disturbing for this news conference.

Speaker 306 The first alleged victim said Robinson assaulted her seven times in one year, targeting her during her weekend shift.

Speaker 306 A second plaintiff contends the musician would ask her to meet him in parts of his Chatsworth home where he knew there weren't any cameras and sexually abused her 23 times over a number of years.

Speaker 306 A third recalled Mr. Robinson calling her into his blue bedroom and assaulting her a total of 20 times.

Speaker 306 The fourth woman and the longest-serving employee was allegedly raped in three of the singers' homes while employed between 2006 and 2024.

Speaker 306 All four plaintiffs say they were reticent to report the abuse, fearing they would lose their jobs and felt intimidated by Robinson's celebrity status.

Speaker 306 He's a music legend who's written more than 4,000 songs and has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At least one person also worried about adverse effects to her immigration status.

Speaker 306 And we did reach out to Smokey Robinson's management team.

Speaker 294 We haven't yet heard back.

Speaker 306 The district attorney tells me that it has not received a case from law enforcement and therefore it will not be filing any kind of criminal charges at this point.

Speaker 125 Now, what is that?

Speaker 29 Like this

Speaker 131 smirching his name at 85.

Speaker 22 Poor Smokey.

Speaker 10 And going back 27 times, this reminds me of the bear joke, which has the punchline.

Speaker 102 I won't tell the joke.

Speaker 100 But people out there know this joke where the bear says, you didn't come here for the hunting, did you?

Speaker 65 Meanwhile, in Brazil, when they don't like an artist, they take care of the artist in a different way, particularly if there may be some satanic over- or undertones with that artist.

Speaker 88 We've got to get to something pretty serious. There are two suspects in custody this morning for allegedly planning to bomb a Lady Gaga concert in Brazil.

Speaker 88 So police say that these suspects were targeting the LGBTQ community and that they attempted to recruit people, including teenagers, to carry out attacks at Saturday's concert.

Speaker 88 The weapons, improvised explosives, Molotov cocktails. Investigators say a group that promotes hate speech and encourages violence among teens orchestrated this.

Speaker 88 One of them allegedly had an even darker plan.

Speaker 269 He claimed the singer had a Satanist religious inclination, and as such, he would respond in the same way, and that he would also promote a Satanist ritual by killing a child or a baby in a live stream during the show.

Speaker 233 Oh, all right, Lady Gaga.

Speaker 74 Man,

Speaker 29 we live in a fallen world.

Speaker 29 Okay, yes.

Speaker 66 Not about the

Speaker 71 guys who tried to bomb, but about the two million people that supposedly were at this event.

Speaker 90 Brazilians are notorious exaggerators.

Speaker 221 And this goes back to, to, I don't know, the late 80s or 90s, and Jerry Purnell and I were invited down to the biggest tech event in the world in Brazil.

Speaker 125 With hundreds of thousands of attendees.

Speaker 44 No, no, two million.

Speaker 36 Millions, I tell you.

Speaker 38 So Jerry and I both

Speaker 102 had stakeouts in different parts of the show where

Speaker 121 you could count.

Speaker 100 There's only one or two entrances.

Speaker 71 And so you could do

Speaker 39 a one-hour calculation and figure out what the number was.

Speaker 121 And we'd come up with with our own number and compare them.

Speaker 249 And we both came up with pretty much the same number.

Speaker 132 The maximum number of people they could have possibly had is 200,000, maybe,

Speaker 137 as opposed to the 2 million that they claimed.

Speaker 44 And then I've also seen a picture of the National Mall in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 211 that had 500,000.

Speaker 44 And

Speaker 199 this little group in

Speaker 137 Rio at the beach on Ipanima, which I've been to,

Speaker 137 there's no way it was more than maybe 50,000, maybe, but they say 2 million.

Speaker 20 And I realized back with Pornell that the Brazilians are prone to exaggerate because this is the way their whole country started.

Speaker 160 When they made a deal, when the Portuguese made the deal with Spain,

Speaker 137 the Spanish says, you can have what other...

Speaker 10 They told the Portuguese, just tell us what the coordinates are of where you've been and what you think the country is, where the country's located.

Speaker 198 And they went here.

Speaker 132 Give us the numbers, numbers, and that'll be Brazil.

Speaker 137 You can have it.

Speaker 249 And so they weren't, nobody was up in the Amazon.

Speaker 90 Nobody was up there.

Speaker 159 They just made up some numbers and got these coordinates to make the country so damn big.

Speaker 20 It was a lie.

Speaker 6 And the Brazilians do this.

Speaker 104 They lie.

Speaker 71 They exaggerate.

Speaker 130 It's a very, it's a feature of the culture.

Speaker 201 Don't believe these numbers.

Speaker 159 And all these reporters that kept talking about 2 million people at the Gaga

Speaker 137 concert are full of it.

Speaker 94 They could have looked and seen it was not possibly 2 million people.

Speaker 103 That's twice the entire population of San Francisco.

Speaker 25 This makes a lot of sense now in light of the BBL.

Speaker 29 The what?

Speaker 84 The BBL.

Speaker 108 Yeah?

Speaker 79 The Brazilian butt lift.

Speaker 113 They're all fake butts down there.

Speaker 155 Huge, big butts.

Speaker 27 And you think, oh, it's a big butt.

Speaker 31 No, it's a BBL.

Speaker 127 They're fakers.

Speaker 31 That's good information.

Speaker 276 This is the first time I've heard that.

Speaker 130 yes it's a and and you should be aware that the brazilians exaggerate and that's all it's just it's a fact and if you do any reporting on brazil you should know that i just got an um

Speaker 41 insider tip here

Speaker 177 apple apparently is considering moving to an ai search ending their deal with google which is what seven

Speaker 216 billion dollars or something some outrageous amount what do they pay google for the what does google pay them for search i have no idea.

Speaker 121 Oh, it's

Speaker 59 a lot.

Speaker 177 It's billions and billions.

Speaker 234 And then, how bad is that going to suck?

Speaker 30 Yeah, we're going to do AI search.

Speaker 143 But you know, that's going to suck.

Speaker 17 It's probably going to suck.

Speaker 234 It's going to suck. Hey, we have a name.

Speaker 186 Just what we're doing, some M5M stuff.

Speaker 36 We have a name.

Speaker 27 Have you heard the name?

Speaker 122 The new name?

Speaker 134 The new,

Speaker 9 the official name for Spinco.

Speaker 63 Remember. Oh, Spinco, yes.

Speaker 36 Spinco.

Speaker 27 And by the way, for people who said, you know, Spinco is a name that's often used as a code for Spinac.

Speaker 93 Yeah, we knew that. We knew that.

Speaker 67 But we have a name.

Speaker 307 We have some news close to home. The group of media brands, including CNBC, that are being spun off from Comcast and NBC Universal later this year, now has a name, Versant.

Speaker 307 The name chosen as a blueprint for versatility, growth, and innovation. This

Speaker 120 it's spelled V-E-R-S-A-N-T.

Speaker 234 Versant.

Speaker 234 Versant.

Speaker 234 Versent, Versant.

Speaker 36 What do you think of the name?

Speaker 218 I'll continue the clip in a moment.

Speaker 35 What do you think of this name, John?

Speaker 75 Shinks. Shinks, I agree.

Speaker 9 And they're going to defend it here.

Speaker 75 This is CNBC, part now of Versant.

Speaker 307 This is the company's new logo. Cable networks, CNBC, MSNBC, Golf Channel, USA, Oxygen, and more will all be a part of Versent now.

Speaker 277 They should have called it Crazy Co.

Speaker 154 That was much more catchy.

Speaker 83 The trolls are better than that.

Speaker 48 That'd have worked.

Speaker 8 That would have worked for me.

Speaker 307 As well as digital assets, including Fandango,

Speaker 307 Alex, you have more details on this new name. Very exciting.

Speaker 145 This is corporate history that we are living right now, Kelly.

Speaker 29 Corporate history, woo!

Speaker 110 Yeah, Versant, like conversant.

Speaker 27 Imagine this gig.

Speaker 154 All right, you are the one that's going to announce the name.

Speaker 123 Oh, please don't make me do it.

Speaker 75 Don't make me noble.

Speaker 27 Do I have to announce this stupid name?

Speaker 134 Oh, okay.

Speaker 110 The name was chosen, I'm told, to speak to the versatility of the brands in the company. You just listed them a lot of different brands covering different things.

Speaker 110 Newspapers, whose sports, digital assets, Rotten Tomatoes and Fandango are part of this company.

Speaker 22 Did you know that Rotten Tomatoes and Fandango?

Speaker 100 No, I did not know where Rotten Tomatoes was part of the deal.

Speaker 114 Oh, well, that actually makes the deal a little bit more attractive.

Speaker 29 They're going to spin it out public, though.

Speaker 110 I'm told that originally, through the process of this,

Speaker 110 choosing the name, I spoke with the CEO of the company, Mark Lazarus. A thousand names, or even more than a thousand names, were thought of, were vetted.

Speaker 9 The legal process ticked that list down from a thousand to we literally come up with domain names on the fly here and have hundreds of them.

Speaker 169 We had a thousand names, legal process. We had to get everybody involved.

Speaker 63 We had an off-site, we had a whiteboard, we had all kinds of, and we boiled it down to a hundred.

Speaker 198 I have to interrupt.

Speaker 66 Rotten tomatoes does fit into this scheme because they've been leaning.

Speaker 130 MSNBC, all these guys, they're all leaning in.

Speaker 44 Right?

Speaker 10 What's the definition of Versant?

Speaker 122 I looked it up.

Speaker 11 A region of land sloping in one direction.

Speaker 29 Wow.

Speaker 26 Wow.

Speaker 130 So they got the right name.

Speaker 29 They got the right name.

Speaker 268 Wow.

Speaker 110 Were thought of, were vetted. The legal process ticked that list down from 1,000 to 43.
That's how difficult it is to actually find a name

Speaker 110 that's not already taken.

Speaker 110 There's, you know, trademark things that people have to go through, both nationally and globally.

Speaker 110 That list was then culled down to about 12. There were presentations made on the 12, and eventually.

Speaker 183 At the off-site, presentations made at the off-site.

Speaker 282 Versant was chosen.

Speaker 110 Also,

Speaker 110 the word Versant itself is an actual word, was something that I learned through the process of this.

Speaker 95 Which we won't explain because it doesn't sound good.

Speaker 297 It means the slope of land.

Speaker 110 Lazarus joked with me that perhaps he could see that as a sloping upward,

Speaker 110 of like a line that was moving up for a stock symbol.

Speaker 29 Oh, what a wage. What a wow.

Speaker 27 That is some fake news right there.

Speaker 75 It slopes down towards one side, but he says, oh, no, it slopes up.

Speaker 116 It's like glass half full, glass half.

Speaker 39 It did say slope in one direction, but not.

Speaker 150 Up or down.

Speaker 154 Well, you don't want it to slope.

Speaker 184 Why don't you call the company hockey stick if you're talking beach?

Speaker 29 There you go. Perfect.

Speaker 140 Hockey stick.

Speaker 68 It means the slope of land.

Speaker 110 Mark Lazarus joked with me that perhaps he could see that as a sloping upward,

Speaker 110 like a line that was moving up for a stock symbol.

Speaker 209 So perhaps

Speaker 110 the pathway has been set for this company of assets, once it trades publicly, which will be later this year, to be a riser.

Speaker 307 Is there any more clarity on when that date might be sometime in the next few months?

Speaker 110 Well, we don't know exactly still.

Speaker 75 I just know it's toward the end of the year, which has always been on the plan.

Speaker 110 I can say that none of the market

Speaker 110 volatility of the past month or so has moved Comcast off the date of spinning off the assets later this year.

Speaker 307 Versant. Alex, that.
Get used to it. Yes, indeed.
Try it on for size.

Speaker 219 Okay. Try it on for size.

Speaker 244 Get used to it, everybody.

Speaker 162 That's what your stock options are going to say.

Speaker 71 To what?

Speaker 35 Versent.

Speaker 63 You know,

Speaker 189 constitutional lawyer Rob, well, we actually talked yesterday.

Speaker 178 I'm going to go up to his house.

Speaker 41 He lives in Canyon Lake, supposed to be really nice up there.

Speaker 22 So I chatted with him yesterday, and he says the craziest thing he's seen of all the Trump stuff

Speaker 75 is the trans military ban.

Speaker 293 This is going through like five different courts.

Speaker 75 Everyone's pile jumping on this thing.

Speaker 52 I even put his analysis in

Speaker 185 the show notes so you can read it.

Speaker 127 But I mean, it's because, you know, it goes back to what the Biden administration had, then the Trump administration, what the district courts, then it's the Supreme Court, then the Ninth Circuit, and the Ninth Circuit bounces back and forth.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 209 this is really a very interesting hill for people to maybe want to die on, or just like, this is the most important thing in their life.

Speaker 249 And, you know, it's another trap.

Speaker 193 Well, let's listen. The U.S.

Speaker 163 Supreme Court has allowed the Trump administration to begin executing its ban on transgender military service members.

Speaker 190 Very nice term.

Speaker 131 I love that they use executing this ban.

Speaker 151 You know, this is NPR.

Speaker 189 They don't just choose these words, willy-nilly.

Speaker 163 Trump administration to begin executing its ban on transgender military service members, at least for now. Joining us to talk about this is NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg.

Speaker 163 Now, Nina, President Trump has been trying to ban transgender troops.

Speaker 60 You don't like Nina?

Speaker 198 Oh, she's the worst.

Speaker 59 She's an old hack.

Speaker 215 She's been around for 100 years, and she comes on.

Speaker 38 She really never brings in any real insight.

Speaker 6 She's notorious for something.

Speaker 34 I forgot what started her career to be a hot shot.

Speaker 138 She probably makes about a half a million dollars or nothing.

Speaker 163 Of course she does. The military since his first administration, what's the difference between then and now?

Speaker 175 In the first Trump term, he partially succeeded, but the ban was reversed by President Biden, only to be put back in place by Trump after he took office for a second term.

Speaker 175 This new order mimics the Trump order from the first administration and appears to strengthen it as well, barring transgender individuals from enlisting and discharging active duty transgender service members.

Speaker 163 All right, so what did the Supreme Court do yesterday?

Speaker 175 In a one-paragraph unsigned order, the justices revived the transgender ban, which had been temporarily blocked by the lower courts.

Speaker 175 The court's three liberal justices, Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson, noted their dissents and would have barred the administration from putting the ban in place while the case continues to be litigated in the lower courts.

Speaker 175 So the case now goes back to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Appeals for the Trump policy to be reviewed.

Speaker 219 So, we're bouncing back and forth, and let's learn about the new policy, what it exactly is.

Speaker 163 There's been a lot of back and forth in this case since 2016. That's when the Obama administration first allowed openly trans individuals to serve in the military.
So, how is the new policy different?

Speaker 175 The Obama policy was reversed by Trump in 2017, followed by new rules issued by then-Defense Secretary James Mattis.

Speaker 175 The Mattis rules allowed exceptions to the ban for active service members previously diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Speaker 175 But the new policy, the Trump II policy, is significantly tougher because it bars from the military anyone with a gender dysphoria diagnosis.

Speaker 175 And while that isn't everyone, it is most trans individuals.

Speaker 163 Now, where are things now?

Speaker 33 The Ninth Circuit.

Speaker 224 That's an important little data point

Speaker 13 that is.

Speaker 160 Well, the question always remains to me i'm not done

Speaker 178 yeah

Speaker 44 why do you want

Speaker 121 in the military which is a discipline oriented uh pursuit vocation

Speaker 71 why would you want people with gender dysphoria that you have to treat or any dysphoria or any or any form

Speaker 100 or any kind of yes neurosis a psychotic i mean what schizophrenics we don't want them either bipolar uh uh borderline personality.

Speaker 155 I mean, there's all kinds of things you don't want.

Speaker 77 Anything with dysphoria is probably, you're right, probably not what you want.

Speaker 111 You want killing machines.

Speaker 175 And while that isn't everyone, it is most trans individuals.

Speaker 163 Now, where are things now?

Speaker 175 The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will take a whack at deciding the issue, and that decision can be appealed to the Supreme Court, though the ban is likely to remain in place during the appellate process.

Speaker 163 So let me cut to the chase here. What are the chances that the Supreme Court will ultimately rule against the Trump trans ban in the military?

Speaker 175 Probably slim to none. The fact is that the Supreme Court, even on a temporary basis, has allowed the Trump administration to proceed with carrying out the ban.

Speaker 175 And that's a pretty strong indicator that the administration is very likely to prevail in the long run.

Speaker 195 And then for me, the kicker, how many people are we actually talking about here?

Speaker 163 When it comes to the numbers of people, how many trans individuals are in the military right now under the policy that allowed them to enlist and serve?

Speaker 175 According to Pentagon, about 0.2 percent of active military forces or about 4,000 individuals.

Speaker 163 So, Nina, I'm wondering who are the plaintiffs that brought this challenge?

Speaker 175 They're a group of current and aspiring transgender service members, including lead plaintiff Emily Schilling, a Navy pilot who's flown more than 60 combat missions over her nearly two decades of military service.

Speaker 175 Ruling in their favor, Judge Benjamin Settle in Washington State, who's a George W.

Speaker 175 Bush appointee, concluded that the government's classification of gender dysphoria as a disqualifying medical condition was essentially a ruse motivated by hostility towards transgender people.

Speaker 42 I love that she adds in there a George W.

Speaker 119 Bush appointee.

Speaker 153 We know what George liked.

Speaker 193 Safe to say that the Supreme Court will eventually actually rule on this?

Speaker 175 Probably the case will come back to the court next term for a final ruling, regardless of who wins in the Ninth Circuit.

Speaker 36 I think George W.

Speaker 23 Bush was a horn dog.

Speaker 188 Remember, he had those guys

Speaker 36 in the press pool?

Speaker 45 Remember that?

Speaker 100 You think of George W.

Speaker 258 or George H.

Speaker 92 No, George W.

Speaker 92 No, George W.

Speaker 209 The second one.

Speaker 70 He had those gay. Texas guy.

Speaker 245 Yeah, he had those gay prostitutes.

Speaker 116 Don't you remember that?

Speaker 11 Oh, I vaguely remember that. That's right.

Speaker 160 The guy that showed up in a, somebody outed him and they posted it.

Speaker 100 Yeah, he was posting online.

Speaker 206 He was some sort of gay prostitute.

Speaker 235 And he was in the press pool for some unknown reason asking stupid questions.

Speaker 83 Yes, yes.

Speaker 48 I do remember that. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 35 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 15 We have long memories, people.

Speaker 122 Be very careful. That's what happens.

Speaker 108 And let me see.

Speaker 166 We got five minutes.

Speaker 75 I want to play this.

Speaker 29 Five minutes?

Speaker 98 And I asked this five-minute warning with two minutes to go.

Speaker 30 And here's a question because this is up where you live.

Speaker 75 Notice I didn't say your neck of the woods.

Speaker 158 This morning, President Trump is directing the federal government to reopen Alcatraz, the notorious former prison on the San Francisco Bay known as The Rock, considered escape-proof

Speaker 113 and the subject of multiple Hollywood films.

Speaker 288 No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 me too.

Speaker 3 And no one ever will.

Speaker 158 Trump says he wants to reopen and expand the prison to house America's most ruthless and violent offenders.

Speaker 308 Just an idea I've had, and I guess because the judges, so many of these radicalized judges, they want want to have trials for every single, think of it.

Speaker 308 Every single person that's in our country illegally, they came in illegally. That would mean millions of trials.

Speaker 158 It comes after a new interview, which the president said he does not know whether every person in the U.S.

Speaker 158 is entitled to due process as his administration pushes to deport immigrants in the country illegally.

Speaker 63 Now, again, a complaint.

Speaker 140 We have...

Speaker 177 A person, a Ranger, I believe, Ranger, I can't remember his name, who works at Alcatraz.

Speaker 93 I don't know if he's still there.

Speaker 160 I think he may have been moved.

Speaker 30 Well, but he still has info.

Speaker 159 Yeah, he took me. He took me through the tour.

Speaker 121 I took Jay.

Speaker 75 Oh, you actually took him up on that.

Speaker 57 You went on the tour. That's it.

Speaker 208 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 94 It was great because he had his own little cart, and we went into parts of

Speaker 211 the facility that no one gets to see.

Speaker 26 Wow.

Speaker 100 So, I mean, there was an underground, there was a hospital, like an abandoned hospital.

Speaker 35 Ranger Craig. Ranger Craig.

Speaker 39 Yeah, Ranger. It was at Ranger Craig.

Speaker 219 Craig Wright. Ranger Craig Wright, I think, yes.

Speaker 173 He took us all over

Speaker 137 in a kind of a separate tour.

Speaker 198 I got to close the cell doors with a grab the handle and pull it.

Speaker 30 From the inside or the outside?

Speaker 101 From the outside, obviously.

Speaker 197 You can't close it from the inside.

Speaker 215 And it makes a large clink.

Speaker 139 You get a feeling for the amount of stress it takes to pull it.

Speaker 65 To give you an idea, we talked about Ranger Craig on episode 115.

Speaker 177 That's 2009.

Speaker 211 I don't think he's there anymore. I think he moved.

Speaker 36 I don't know if he's alive.

Speaker 249 Well, he

Speaker 121 wasn't an old guy.

Speaker 160 It was a young guy.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 104 But

Speaker 104 we got a great tour.

Speaker 41 What are people saying about this in San Francisco?

Speaker 159 We think it's bull crap.

Speaker 122 Really?

Speaker 71 Everybody does.

Speaker 127 Seems like a great place to put criminals.

Speaker 36 Yes.

Speaker 94 No, it's impossible.

Speaker 129 That place is a wreck.

Speaker 217 It's a mess.

Speaker 20 Except for the areas that the public gets to see.

Speaker 249 Have you actually got behind the scenes to see the other stuff going on?

Speaker 223 No.

Speaker 27 Again, the perfect place to put criminals.

Speaker 38 Well, maybe, but

Speaker 60 yeah.

Speaker 100 No, they're not going to do anything.

Speaker 94 There's a tourist trap.

Speaker 137 It's bringing in $60 million a year.

Speaker 138 Ah, there.

Speaker 69 There it is.

Speaker 150 We don't want to lose it.

Speaker 100 It's bringing in that much.

Speaker 215 The maintenance is going to be less than that.

Speaker 212 It's making money. It's dumb to turn it.

Speaker 138 You can find someplace in the middle of nowhere and build a prison from scratch. It'd be cheaper.

Speaker 222 I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.

Speaker 27 Imagine all the people who could do that.

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous.

Speaker 75 As we wind down our broadcast day, we still have plenty of deconstruction broadcasts left for you, including John's tip of the day.

Speaker 63 You not want to miss that.

Speaker 111 Some very down-low beats in the end of show mix.

Speaker 8 We have, of course, our meet-up overview with a report from the Netherlands, where they got the servers involved.

Speaker 54 They finally listened to me.

Speaker 22 But first, we're going to thank all of our supporters.

Speaker 202 $50 and above.

Speaker 140 John's going to to take you through the list.

Speaker 214 That's correct.

Speaker 213 I'm starting with James O'Brien in

Speaker 242 Southington, Connecticut, 12345.

Speaker 100 Kindly enlighten me as to the title.

Speaker 66 Much appreciated. You and your favorite efforts.

Speaker 223 I don't know. I don't know what he wants to do.

Speaker 29 What is he talking about?

Speaker 257 I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 242 Maybe he's a knight. He should be a knight.
He wants to be a knight. He's already a knight, he says.

Speaker 105 I have no idea.

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Speaker 112 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 46 It's the honor system.

Speaker 15 So you need to.

Speaker 171 Yeah, Daniel Kepler's up next.

Speaker 6 He's in Phoenix, Arizona.

Speaker 139 Also, one, two, three, four, five. My favorite donation.

Speaker 214 Mark Thanis

Speaker 139 in Elgin, Nebraska, or Elgin, possibly, 120.

Speaker 215 Arno in Amstelveen.

Speaker 191 Oh, Amstelveen. I used to live in Amstelve.

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Speaker 223 Yes, he used to live in that.

Speaker 93 104.64.

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Speaker 242 who also organized the meetup.

Speaker 43 Ah, yes.

Speaker 102 So last meetup last Saturday in Schwegenging.

Speaker 54 Well, you know, okay, so it's pronounced Scheveninge.

Speaker 276 And during World War II, the Dutch, the Dutch,

Speaker 251 would ask you to pronounce the name Schäfening

Speaker 214 because Oh, and they shoot you if you didn't pronounce it right.

Speaker 19 Correct, because then you were probably a spy, a German spy.

Speaker 57 Schäfeninge is the correct pronunciation.

Speaker 102 Well, I'm going to get shot, but I'm not a German spy, so I think they probably killed some poor innocent Americans.

Speaker 84 You'd be dead. You'd be dead by now.

Speaker 225 Stephan Trockles, who's in Sust

Speaker 6 Deutschland, $100, no note, he says.

Speaker 206 Ken Weinstock in Tucker, Georgia, 888.

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Speaker 13 Okay. Stephen Hutcho in St.

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Speaker 121 Alan Huffman in Urbondale, Iowa, 6809.

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Speaker 249 It had 16-bit registers.

Speaker 217 I think the 8088 did too, didn't it?

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Speaker 206 6161. This is an Aunt Gigi donation.

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Speaker 20 These are all the

Speaker 197 these are

Speaker 121 VE Day donations. Yes.

Speaker 90 So I got a few.

Speaker 207 Also, Bowman McMahon in San Antonio, $59.45.

Speaker 137 John Fitzpatrick in Heber Springs, Arkansas, $59.45.

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Speaker 102 Ah, there she is in Sparks, Nevada,

Speaker 207 59.45.

Speaker 130 She's the best.

Speaker 171 Tyler Darrington in Lost Wages, Nevada, 59.45.

Speaker 71 And that's our little group of well-wishers for VE Day.

Speaker 73 Yes.

Speaker 59 Forgotten that we beat the Germans.

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Speaker 6 Sir Dancing Mike in Maryville, Tennessee, 57.57.

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Speaker 102 Pete Federici in Bothell, Washington, 55.55. He wants some jobs karma for his partner.

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Speaker 130 He needs a dedouching.

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Speaker 139 And he should get knighted or something.

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Speaker 171 Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa, 51.

Speaker 139 And now he got finally to the $50 donors.

Speaker 201 Name and location, starting with Alex Zavala.

Speaker 244 Ah, Sir Alex.

Speaker 207 Sir Alex in Kyle, Texas.

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Speaker 10 Ray Howard in Kremlin, Colorado.

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Speaker 132 Edward Missouri, there he is in Memphis.

Speaker 100 Carrie Jackson in Waterton, Tennessee.

Speaker 71 And last on the least is Jason DeLuzio living it up in Miami Beach, Florida.

Speaker 100 I want to thank all these people for helping us on on show 1762.

Speaker 53 Yes, and the jobs karma is here as requested.

Speaker 305 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's go for jobs.

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Speaker 133 We'll follow along with your gambit.

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Speaker 278 Noagendadonations.com.

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Speaker 309 He celebrated on the 6th.

Speaker 9 Sir Dancing Mike turns 57 on Saturday.

Speaker 278 Chris Herm, happy birthday to Megan Haynes.

Speaker 9 She turns 31 on the 12th.

Speaker 309 We have Dame Susan wishing her son Elliot a happy birthday.

Speaker 230 And Franny says, happy birthday and Kafali Shadir to Sylvia Corn-Jones.

Speaker 309 Happy birthday.

Speaker 89 And we say happy birthday to all these people on behalf of all here at the best podcast in the universe.

Speaker 119 One Commodore, the final, final, final Commodore.

Speaker 123 That's the very last one we would like to welcome to the Commodore ship for the last time.

Speaker 7 The one, the only Commodore Elliot.

Speaker 8 And as always, Commodore arriving.

Speaker 123 Very nice. Go to noagendarings.com.

Speaker 144 That's where you can find your Commodore

Speaker 134 entry form.

Speaker 216 Let us know what you want on your Commodore Certificate of Authenticity, which is beautiful.

Speaker 22 It has embossments and all that.

Speaker 209 You can frame it. You should frame it, actually.
Hang it on your wall and proudly display that you are a Commodore of the No Agenda Show.

Speaker 4 No Agenda

Speaker 4 Beyond.

Speaker 4 Yes, the No Agenda Meetups.

Speaker 261 They're a big deal, everybody.

Speaker 190 They're a very big deal, these meetups, because

Speaker 92 it's where you get connection and protection.

Speaker 123 It's where you will meet the first responders in an emergency in your life. People who go to No Agenda meetups have relationships that last for decades, eons, perhaps even.

Speaker 98 And we have a report from Schevening

Speaker 219 where it's a little bit cold, but they jumped into the North Sea, which is a very, very Dutch thing to do at this time of year.

Speaker 253 This is the first no-agenda splash-up meetup.

Speaker 310 In the morning, this is Roland Splash Up in Schrevening.

Speaker 310 In the morning, and happy birthday to Arno, the capital of Nijovenag.

Speaker 310 In the morning, for a sun-drenched Schrevening in Holland.

Speaker 312 In the morning, this is Saya at the Hard Beach Club in Schrevening at the Splash Up. Great meeting.
Thank you, Arno.

Speaker 312 In the morning, Natalia here, and I just had some spicy mussels, and now I'm going to splash into the sea like a mermaid. Hi, I'm Carolina.
This is a super lucky

Speaker 312 restaurant motor.

Speaker 311 Hi, I'm Chris. It's been really fun serving everyone.
It's a really fun day. Life is amazing.
Enjoy every second.

Speaker 140 All right, with some coded messages in there.

Speaker 178 They really got into the North Sea.

Speaker 61 There's the server at the end, too.

Speaker 234 Yes, I think the Dutch girl also was a server.

Speaker 152 She said, these people are crazy.

Speaker 29 They're jumping into the ocean. It's too cold.

Speaker 154 That's what no agenda people do.

Speaker 187 We're crazy, but we are lovable crazies.

Speaker 60 Tonight, you can join them at the Quad Cities Iowa Area Meetup, 7 o'clock in Lopez, Davenport, Iowa.

Speaker 75 Big Nasty organizing that.

Speaker 186 And on Saturday, the Treasure Valley meetup, 3 o'clock at Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho.

Speaker 98 Now, we have some important meetups coming up this month.

Speaker 75 Leiden in the Netherlands, that'll be on the 14th.

Speaker 98 Charlotte, North Carolina, on the 15th.

Speaker 103 The 16th is

Speaker 32 Whitefield, New Hampshire.

Speaker 22 On the 17th, we are loaded for Bear.

Speaker 32 Bedford, Texas, Colorado Springs, Colorado, Fort Wayne, Indiana, New Canton, Virginia, Springfield, Oregon, and well, it's Lukembach, technically, but Fredericksburg, Texas.

Speaker 15 Curry and the Keeper will be there, and many more of your local Texas celebrities.

Speaker 77 Keene, New Hampshire on the 18th, Kulenborg in Gelderland in the Netherlands on the 29th.

Speaker 27 the 31st, Pensaken Township, New Jersey, Overland Park, Kansas on the 31st, and Long Beach, California, 31st, Leo Bravo at it again.

Speaker 144 And I might as well throw this one in on June 1st, Tokyo, Japan.

Speaker 261 Are you getting the picture here?

Speaker 9 These No Agenda meetups, they're not just like some little thing.

Speaker 30 This is a whole movement.

Speaker 98 Go to noagendametups.com, find one near you.

Speaker 9 If you can't find one, start one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party.
Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

Speaker 119 Well, to use a Dutchism in the old country for ISOs,

Speaker 178 I threw my cap at it.

Speaker 178 Threw my cap at it.

Speaker 122 Which means the cap hit anything?

Speaker 63 No, I mean

Speaker 32 that means I just threw my cap at it, which means I didn't really do a lot of work, didn't do a good job.

Speaker 217 So you don't have anything? I do.

Speaker 29 I have three.

Speaker 45 I have three.

Speaker 71 I have three. Oh, okay, let's go.

Speaker 303 I made it to no agenda.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 26 Well, it's nice. It's not bad.

Speaker 134 A little embarrassing.

Speaker 35 Okay.

Speaker 36 And maybe this one.

Speaker 116 I love it.

Speaker 4 I love it.

Speaker 108 I love it.

Speaker 134 Yeah, it's not bad.

Speaker 27 All right, let's.

Speaker 93 I got three.

Speaker 36 Okay.

Speaker 90 I got WTH.

Speaker 170 WTH.

Speaker 16 What the hell's going on here?

Speaker 224 No Biden end of show ISOs, man.

Speaker 177 No.

Speaker 45 That's just.

Speaker 84 No.

Speaker 71 Okay, how about a Dorbs?

Speaker 229 That podcast was a Dorbs.

Speaker 127 Yeah, well, that end of show ISO is AI, but it's not bad.

Speaker 217 Well, then let's go with the last one. So good.

Speaker 30 These podcasters are so good at this.

Speaker 229 No, I'll go with that podcast was a Dorbs.

Speaker 144 I think that's just gay enough, John.

Speaker 8 It's definitely gay.

Speaker 9 Hey, everybody, it's time for our final bit here. It's no agendas.

Speaker 18 John's tip of the day.

Speaker 4 Great masks for you and me. Just the tip with JCD

Speaker 4 and sometimes Adam.

Speaker 4 Created by Dana Bernetti.

Speaker 34 Okay, this is a product everyone should have.

Speaker 160 You should buy them in packs of eight or ten.

Speaker 211 And the key to success with these items is they have to be fresh.

Speaker 126 Fresh.

Speaker 160 Which I recommend finding

Speaker 100 the vendor and getting them shipped directly from the vendor or getting them from Amazon, a popular one from Amazon, whether you know it's fresh.

Speaker 235 Pheromone moth attractant sticky pads.

Speaker 156 Okay.

Speaker 148 Why would we want to have pheromone moth sticky pads?

Speaker 100 Pheromone moths, well, for one reason, I found a moth attack on one of my Persian rugs.

Speaker 59 Oh,

Speaker 69 wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 150 You have Persian rugs?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have a couple.

Speaker 161 Do you fly around on them?

Speaker 34 Persian rugs are a really good price nowadays, by the way.

Speaker 27 Best price. But do you have them on the floor or in your?

Speaker 29 Yeah, they're on the floor. I got them.

Speaker 223 They're all over the place.

Speaker 100 Everybody in the family has a bunch of these, either Turkish or Persian rugs.

Speaker 134 Interesting.

Speaker 95 Something I did not know about the Dvorak clan.

Speaker 29 I learned something about you every day.

Speaker 16 These rugs are great.

Speaker 192 So, and they're not expensive anymore.

Speaker 136 No.

Speaker 14 So the moths.

Speaker 20 So here's the deal.

Speaker 211 The Pharaoh Maw, There are moths in the world and they get in the house and you wouldn't even know it.

Speaker 199 I'm telling you, you pull out one of these pheromone moth pack

Speaker 192 strips, or it's actually a little, it's like a sticky pad, like you catch a mouse with when you pull the top off.

Speaker 38 The pheromones get released.

Speaker 104 You put it on top of the refrigerator, you put it somewhere.

Speaker 199 And by the way, it's F-H-E-E-R-M-O-N-E, and you can get them, you know, you can look it up that way.

Speaker 137 You've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 235 I don't care how clean and fancy your house is.

Speaker 201 There's no moths in there.

Speaker 39 No, that's for sure. Put one of these on top of the refrigerator, a good fresh one, and within 10 minutes,

Speaker 212 all of a sudden, you'll find moths are in your house.

Speaker 57 Oh, no, that's just.

Speaker 137 Because they're flying to the attracted, and then they get stuck on the thing.

Speaker 100 It's mostly the males.

Speaker 92 And then they're a tasty treat.

Speaker 132 And well, no, they're not.

Speaker 100 It just becomes stuck in the goo, and that's the end of them.

Speaker 206 But

Speaker 20 everybody

Speaker 44 has these stupid moths in their house, and they don't know it.

Speaker 38 And you want to get these traps.

Speaker 100 That's why they sell them in tan packs because you get, that's how many moths you'll end up capturing.

Speaker 94 So this is a big deal to do this.

Speaker 100 I'm sorry I didn't do it on the room that had the nice rug in it.

Speaker 22 Now, but if you have it on top of the refrigerator, will it attract them from the room with a nice rug?

Speaker 173 Does it work that far?

Speaker 160 No, it'll suck them in from about typically from three or four rooms.

Speaker 35 Wow.

Speaker 153 This is powerful.

Speaker 62 I'm kind of afraid afraid to do that because, you know, then it was like, if Tina sees, like, oh, now we have moths, she's bad enough with me putting down mousetraps because I always catch something.

Speaker 206 Yeah, well, take it, put it somewhere where she can't see them

Speaker 160 and do it when she's not around because it'll be within, I'm telling you, within five or ten minutes, you'll start to see moths.

Speaker 94 This is all heading to the trap.

Speaker 17 This is

Speaker 100 gross, actually, how many moths all of a sudden show up in your house.

Speaker 17 What?

Speaker 18 Another gross tip of the day.

Speaker 154 Ladies and gentlemen, go review it at tip of the day.

Speaker 78 at noagendafun.com.

Speaker 3 Green mastery. Wow.

Speaker 4 Just a tip with JCD

Speaker 4 and sometimes at home.

Speaker 55 Created by Dana Bernetti.

Speaker 36 And by the way, that tip of the day jingle is by Shwu Michael.

Speaker 190 Michael is the guitarist for Mercy Me, and Tina is up in Cedar Park going to see the show tonight.

Speaker 150 She's not going to stiff them like you did when they came to

Speaker 34 have drinks.

Speaker 166 I sent him a text.

Speaker 22 I called Tina out from stage, man.

Speaker 251 That'll be fun.

Speaker 16 I don't know if he'll do it. He always wears a No Agenda shirt when playing, though.

Speaker 23 That's pretty cool.

Speaker 33 That's it.

Speaker 75 Our broadcast day has concluded.

Speaker 96 We do have.

Speaker 29 Oh, look at this.

Speaker 265 Curry and the Keeper, episode 132, recorded just last night.

Speaker 22 A mounder is the title.

Speaker 114 That's coming up next on your No Agenda stream or your modern podcast app.

Speaker 69 And of course, we will return on Sunday, as usual, where we will bring you another minimum three hours of

Speaker 52 completely bonus content

Speaker 45 firewall paywall free beauty which we do as a public service end of show mixes from James Bosworth he's back and Nautilus K who's on a roll and I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country here in Fredericksburg where we have that meetup coming up on the 17th in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley I'm John C.

Speaker 89 DeVora we return on Sunday please join us here for more no agenda Until then, adios mofos, a hooey hooey, and such.

Speaker 134 I was the Kim Kardashian of this coin.

Speaker 74 But

Speaker 156 look,

Speaker 156 look, look,

Speaker 313 but, ginormous, but, but, ginormous, but, but,

Speaker 313 but, look, ginormous, look.

Speaker 20 I was the Kim Kardashian of this coin without the big butt or the money

Speaker 20 Without the big butt or the money

Speaker 177 I was the Kim Kardashian of this coin

Speaker 20 Without the big butt or the money

Speaker 20 Without the big butt or the money.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Look, look, look.

Speaker 4 Look.

Speaker 74 Yeah.

Speaker 143 Tariffs.

Speaker 109 Tariffs.

Speaker 109 Tariffs.

Speaker 208 Tariffs.

Speaker 256 You acknowledge when you announced the tariffs, for example.

Speaker 88 The stock market dropped, it's been volatile, it has since gone up.

Speaker 286 Yeah, do take responsibility when it grows.

Speaker 225 Ultimately, I take responsibility for everything, but I've only just been here for a little more than three months.

Speaker 280 Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dollars.

Speaker 256 Sir, you acknowledge when you announced the tariffs, for example.

Speaker 4 The stock market dropped.

Speaker 305 It's been volatile. It has since gone up.

Speaker 13 to take responsibility when it drops.

Speaker 225 Ultimately, I take responsibility for everything, but I've only just been here for a little more than three months.

Speaker 305 Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30.

Speaker 122 What a conversation.

Speaker 122 Stop buying chunk from China. Wake up, people.

Speaker 122 Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30.

Speaker 122 Tariffs. Stop buying junk from China.
Wake up, people.

Speaker 122 Tariffs. Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 L's.

Speaker 122 Tariffs. Are you saying that your tariffs will cause some prices to go up?

Speaker 70 No, I think the tariffs are going to be great for us because it's going to make us rich.

Speaker 232 But you said some dolls are going to cost more.

Speaker 240 Isn't that an acknowledgement that some prices will go up?

Speaker 288 I don't think a beautiful baby girl needs, 11 years old needs to have

Speaker 29 30 dolls.

Speaker 240 I think they can have three dollars or four dollars.

Speaker 241 Yeah.

Speaker 241 Yeah.

Speaker 241 Yeah.

Speaker 241 Yeah.

Speaker 241 Yeah.

Speaker 241 Yeah.

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Speaker 229 that podcast was a dorbs