1809 - "Tomahawk Turnaround"

Speaker 1 Bitching and moaning as part of the process.

Speaker 2 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

Speaker 5 And Sunday, October 19th, 2025, this year award-winning Gibbon Nation Media Assassination, episode 1809.

Speaker 1 This is No Agenda.

Speaker 7 Blowing up boats and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas No Country here in FEMA, region number six. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 1 And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we've discovered that Democrats don't like kings, but they love queens. I'm John C.
Dvorak.

Speaker 4 Woo!

Speaker 11 Woo! Did Marty write that for you?

Speaker 1 No, I wrote that myself. Thank you.

Speaker 12 Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 14 It was a little too good.

Speaker 15 So I did, I look, I followed some of this No Kings Day stuff, and there's really

Speaker 19 two things that you can just see happening everywhere at every single one of them.

Speaker 23 And I wouldn't say it it was a complete failure.

Speaker 25 I mean, they definitely had some crowds here and there.

Speaker 1 I thought it was a huge success for them.

Speaker 15 Yes, yes.

Speaker 27 Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 It was reasonable.

Speaker 26 I'm trying to think, do I have.

Speaker 28 I thought I had.

Speaker 1 Well, what would be more than reasonable to you?

Speaker 31 Well, you know, it was the thing is, it's just everybody was kind of nice.

Speaker 32 You know, just walking around.

Speaker 1 So better would be if they'd rioted and actually made a fuss that had pulled a George Floyd. Yeah, maybe.
That's an interesting point to make.

Speaker 11 Here's, let's see, let me see.

Speaker 25 I think this is the report I was looking for.

Speaker 34 Thousands of people are expected to descend on the nation's capital for a no-kings rally.

Speaker 34 Peaceful movement seeks to send a message to the Trump administration saying that America does not put up with would-be kings.

Speaker 34 This week, multiple Republican leaders called next week's event a hate rally.

Speaker 35 This hate America rally that they have coming up for October 18th, the Antifa crowd and the pro-Hamas crowd and the Marxists, they're all going to gather on the mall.

Speaker 39 This is about one thing and one thing only, to score political points with the terrorist wing of their party, which is set to hold, as Leader Scalise just commented on, a hate America rally in D.C.

Speaker 14 next week.

Speaker 42 And then October 18th is when the protest gets here. This will be a Sorrels paid-for protest where his professional protesters show up, the agitators show up.
We'll have to get the National Guard out.

Speaker 44 Hopefully it'll be peaceful.

Speaker 45 I doubt it.

Speaker 46 So, none of that.

Speaker 47 This is not a hate America rally.

Speaker 48 This was not Antifa.

Speaker 22 I, you know, yeah, it was funded by wealthy sources, but it wasn't necessarily a George Soros-funded organized protest.

Speaker 1 No, the Walton woman is part of this.

Speaker 46 Yeah, the independent.org, whatever those people are called.

Speaker 24 No, it's not independent.

Speaker 25 What is it called?

Speaker 24 Indivisible. There we go.

Speaker 36 Indivisible.

Speaker 57 No, but the two things that, well, there are a couple of things.

Speaker 60 First of all, everywhere, American flags.

Speaker 64 It looks, if anything, it looks like the movement wants to hijack patriotism back from the right, if there is such a thing.

Speaker 68 So I was just, I was happy in general just to see people with American flags.

Speaker 24 We haven't seen that from the so-called left in a long time. So I kind of like that.

Speaker 72 But this was the general consensus amongst every single person who was interviewed, man on the street.

Speaker 14 It was all basically this.

Speaker 73 There are many, many reasons.

Speaker 75 I do not want to get into all of them because I cannot stomach, stomach, stomach, stomach the thought of it.

Speaker 76 He literally displayed himself as one with AI-generated crowns and by quite literally positioning himself in kingly regalia, having a golden ballroom. Who needs a golden ballroom? Seriously.

Speaker 79 It was like there was nothing about policy, nothing about Republican.

Speaker 81 No, it was just to to hate Trump.

Speaker 83 To hate Trump, and this is my favorite lady.

Speaker 73 There are many, many...

Speaker 3 Oh, oops, sorry.

Speaker 28 That's not the one I meant.

Speaker 28 Here, this one. This is the lady.

Speaker 86 No Kings Day.

Speaker 87 And why specifically are you out supporting No Kings Day?

Speaker 86 I think protest is important.

Speaker 87 Why are you protesting?

Speaker 86 How much time do you have?

Speaker 4 A couple minutes.

Speaker 87 And what's the main reason you're out here protesting President Trump?

Speaker 86 I agree with a lot of the decisions that are being made.

Speaker 87 Is there any decision in particular you disagree with?

Speaker 86 Okay, so I would start with.

Speaker 6 Well.

Speaker 86 I don't even think it's appropriate for me to have this interview.

Speaker 90 Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 1 I have a topper.

Speaker 16 You can top that lady? Oh, goodness.

Speaker 91 Oh, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 I believe this is a topper. All right.
I have three clips on No Kings Day, but this one is I'll start with the topper, which is this is the man on the street.

Speaker 3 Yes, okay, here we go.

Speaker 56 Trump's a bitch.

Speaker 7 Yeah, why is that? I don't know.

Speaker 24 He's just, we don't like him.

Speaker 7 That's the word around here.

Speaker 93 Any particular reason why you don't like him?

Speaker 45 No clue at all.

Speaker 94 I'm just going with everybody else saying.

Speaker 17 Are you sure that wasn't AI?

Speaker 11 That was real?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was some guy. He's a white guy.
He sounded like a black guy.

Speaker 80 Oh, it was a white guy.

Speaker 1 It's even funny. I know.

Speaker 1 It was some drums.

Speaker 60 Trump's a bitch, man. He's a bitch.

Speaker 1 He's a bitch. Why?

Speaker 81 I don't know.

Speaker 3 It just is.

Speaker 59 Well, I have just a few quick clips because I see you have NPR stuff.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, to have one more person on the street we should probably play first, which is the Unity Unicorn, which is another classic in the lines of that first one you played.

Speaker 97 I am the Unity Unicorn. Got my head out of my costume because I can't breathe right now, but we're here doing a peaceful protest,

Speaker 97 trying to get our democracy back, trying to get the current White House impeached and all removed for crimes against the United States and against our Constitution.

Speaker 97 Everybody here is being peaceful.

Speaker 97 So everybody here is being peaceful. I just want it out there.

Speaker 97 For anybody that's out here,

Speaker 97 We do have free water and a cooler. I brought some water for everybody in case they get thirsty or if somehow pepper spray happens to hit them, we have a way to wash it out.

Speaker 97 So anyway, this is my little

Speaker 97 catch-up for today. So hopefully I'll be doing more of these protests or hopefully we won't have to.

Speaker 7 All right.

Speaker 97 See you later, bye.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 9 And when I look at this group of people, I'm like, these are just Americans.

Speaker 24 They're not running around.

Speaker 70 They're not breaking stuff.

Speaker 50 They have been completely brainwashed into one thing and one thing only.

Speaker 104 We need our democracy back.

Speaker 82 And

Speaker 105 that's actually worse than anything because they believe they have been completely brainwashed into believing we have a democracy.

Speaker 80 You know, and so the chance, everything was there.

Speaker 75 We love America.

Speaker 106 We have to fight for our democracy.

Speaker 106 If you've been paying attention, if you paid attention in high school, junior high, or college, if you pay attention to those lessons, some of the things are happening here where countries, people in other countries, bad things happen to them.

Speaker 106 And we have a pattern going on here. And so we need to stop it.
This is what democracy looks like.

Speaker 83 Continuously. And I realize this is it.

Speaker 80 It's that this is what democracy looks like.

Speaker 110 Which is, you know, we learned that if you paid attention in school, yeah, I don't know what school you went to, but unfortunately, the scholastic system has let us down and taught people some retarded things about our republic, our constitutional representative republic.

Speaker 47 It is not a democracy.

Speaker 60 We just have to keep saying it now.

Speaker 113 Bernie Sanders came out doing it.

Speaker 4 No, President Trump. We don't want you or any other king to rule us.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much,

Speaker 4 but we will maintain our

Speaker 4 No!

Speaker 67 We don't have a democratic form of society.

Speaker 27 This is the problem.

Speaker 64 Now I realize they've just been taught a complete different America.

Speaker 56 I don't know if that's fixable, but dude,

Speaker 46 like get it together.

Speaker 102 It doesn't seem like the left is mad at the right.

Speaker 118 They just hate Trump.

Speaker 119 And I thought your newsletter was very on point.

Speaker 120 You know, the joke of it all is that it's literally kings and monarchs who are trying to destroy us with the North Sea Nexus.

Speaker 121 And then these people come up with no kings.

Speaker 22 It's demented.

Speaker 1 But demented. But the people,

Speaker 7 I have to say,

Speaker 1 and it is something we keep forgetting, or at least I have, and I think maybe generally everyone has, which is that we are a constitutional republic. We're not a constitutional democracy.

Speaker 122 No, or

Speaker 1 more than a couple of politicians call us a constitutional democracy. We're not.

Speaker 65 Or Tulsi Gabbard saying a democratic republic.

Speaker 122 No,

Speaker 27 no, we're not.

Speaker 123 Get it straight.

Speaker 109 That's wrong, too, that she says that.

Speaker 1 They're all saying it because it's been drummed into everyone

Speaker 1 that it is. And so then we're losing our democracy, which we don't have to begin with.
We are a republic. And if they truly nobody wants to.

Speaker 1 we've been talking about this, by the way, on this show for at least 15 years.

Speaker 124 Yeah.

Speaker 11 But you're right, because it's so prevalent.

Speaker 16 This is what, so I didn't clip it, Corey Booker.

Speaker 100 This is what democracy looks like.

Speaker 125 But that's not.

Speaker 80 But the thing is, if this is what democracy looked like, then okay,

Speaker 121 you lost. Shut up.

Speaker 126 So you want a democracy where the mob rules.

Speaker 122 In this case, the Republicans rule.

Speaker 121 They would be the mob.

Speaker 16 And then if this is what democracy looks like then shut up go home and wait until you have the mob rule so it doesn't even make sense because that's not what democracy looks like

Speaker 1 actually as you think about it if a bunch of people in the streets screaming their heads off including the we you have to hear the hey ho uh gotta go stuff oh i have two new ones yeah

Speaker 1 it's it's like if that's what if this is what democracy looks like it's a mess.

Speaker 82 Yeah, exactly. Who wants that?

Speaker 46 This is a this was a very odd one.

Speaker 128 Get FEMA out of DHS. Get FEMA out of DHS.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I saw this one. Get

Speaker 1 even rhyme.

Speaker 129 Get FEMA out of DHS.

Speaker 24 And then what was this one?

Speaker 130 Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you starve today?

Speaker 6 Hey, hey, Donald J.

Speaker 130 How many kids did you saw today?

Speaker 10 Hey, hey, okay, man.

Speaker 14 I'm not even sure what he's saying.

Speaker 67 How many kids did you star?

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, how many kids did you starve?

Speaker 118 Oh, starve today.

Speaker 131 Oh, okay.

Speaker 36 Got it.

Speaker 63 So, yeah.

Speaker 9 But otherwise, I was actually quite happy.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, by the way, when is Trump starving kids?

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Well, it must be Gazins, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 60 But I like that, you know, these, I like the flags, like a lot of Americans with flags.

Speaker 132 There's a lot of

Speaker 1 West Coast coverage a little different than what you saw. There's a lot of Mexican flags and a lot of trans.

Speaker 84 Hello.

Speaker 16 Hello.

Speaker 121 I'm talking about America. You no longer live in America.

Speaker 7 That's close enough.

Speaker 60 No, it's not close enough.

Speaker 24 No. All right.
What do you have?

Speaker 133 What's this NPR stuff? What do you have?

Speaker 1 Well, this is the only

Speaker 1 one summary report that I thought was. was interesting because this is NPR's report on the, I mean, every news channel, they overcovered it, especially out here.

Speaker 1 And it was like, oh, look at this, look at that. And there's just just a bunch of people.
And a lot of mostly old people. No, no.

Speaker 1 It's like the retirees all came out of the woodwork.

Speaker 57 It always hurts to see the Vietnam vets

Speaker 56 in these.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of those.

Speaker 134 There's a lot of

Speaker 1 old unreconstructed hippie ladies that are, you know, I hate to say it, but they're my age and they just look dreadful. They just look,

Speaker 1 they're just horrible, horrible looking people.

Speaker 117 You could have gone out and you could have scored, man.

Speaker 16 It sounds like it was a babe paradise.

Speaker 1 I'd still be itching.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this is, to me, classic because it's NPR. They want their funding back.

Speaker 1 I don't know what they're trying to pull here, but this is ⁇ I consider this one of the most slanted news coverage reports I've heard for a while.

Speaker 135 In rural Shenandoah County, Virginia, demonstrators packed a quarter mile of sidewalk for the No Kings rally against against President Trump. Randy B.
Hagee with member station WMRA has more.

Speaker 135 The No Kings gathering was part of a seven-month streak of weekly protests against the Trump administration. Here's one of the organizers, Dr.
Mark Pierce.

Speaker 136 The reason we are out here is to give a message that we are not his subjects.

Speaker 135 Local resident Joan Griffin has been consistently protesting here.

Speaker 58 The fact that they are grabbing people who are even American citizens off the street, the cutting off of funding to universities and the like for research.

Speaker 58 And then I'm very disturbed by what is the apparent destruction of the federal government.

Speaker 135 More than 70% of voters in the county cast their ballot for President Donald Trump last year. For NPR News, I'm Randy B.
Hagee in Woodstock, Virginia.

Speaker 135 And that's part of some 2,500 marches around the country today.

Speaker 139 So they had 7 million, I'm looking at MSNBC now, 7 million protesters.

Speaker 111 Okay, so you got 2% of the country.

Speaker 80 That's what democracy looks like.

Speaker 47 You are in the minority.

Speaker 16 Go home.

Speaker 16 You lost.

Speaker 80 Isn't that what democracy looks like?

Speaker 122 Or,

Speaker 48 okay, you're protesting.

Speaker 120 It's fine.

Speaker 64 I think a lot of people are just protesting just because, well, it's the American thing to do.

Speaker 107 We protest, which I'm totally okay with.

Speaker 1 I think it's a lot of socialization.

Speaker 125 Oh, it's street.

Speaker 109 I heard every report.

Speaker 141 Look more like a street party.

Speaker 27 Well, that's fine.

Speaker 15 That's good.

Speaker 80 No,

Speaker 61 I thought this was actually a very American type of thing.

Speaker 27 You know, Americans get very confused.

Speaker 24 All of us do at some point.

Speaker 89 And you go out and, you know, we're out there.

Speaker 47 We're letting our voice be heard.

Speaker 139 And in this case, all we have to say is we hate Trump.

Speaker 24 We hate his golden stuff.

Speaker 48 But they know little about government or how it works or what our constitutional republic is really supposed to do, which is just protect our rights as citizens and not much else.

Speaker 142 Dismantling of the government, I'm all for.

Speaker 114 I think that that should be the stance.

Speaker 58 It's just, it was interesting.

Speaker 102 The way the Mike Johnson,

Speaker 128 empty fa.

Speaker 1 Mike Johnson's useless.

Speaker 40 National Guard.

Speaker 131 No.

Speaker 60 No. These were actually peace-loving Americans who just have no, you know,

Speaker 145 they have no, they get no poll on TikTok.

Speaker 16 So, you know, let me go out with some other people.

Speaker 24 And I'll feel like

Speaker 1 half the people don't even know how to use TikTok. In fact, the thing that,

Speaker 1 and if you think about it, think about the images you've seen of all the people out there, you didn't see, you saw very few of them holding a phone.

Speaker 146 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 58 Well, how come this is your people?

Speaker 39 You should have been.

Speaker 40 No,

Speaker 1 they were my people. They didn't have a phone.
And it's like, and they were in my age group, which is, I mean, it was just a bunch of old farts, basically.

Speaker 81 And they didn't have phones.

Speaker 1 You didn't see anybody on their phones because

Speaker 1 this was a retirement community. Let go.

Speaker 1 Okay, everybody, let's hit the streets.

Speaker 148 Here's 10 bucks.

Speaker 1 Here's 10 bucks. Here's some signs.

Speaker 66 That's interesting.

Speaker 131 Yeah.

Speaker 27 Well, there was some younger people, but it's just.

Speaker 1 Very few, at least out here.

Speaker 1 Most of the imagery I saw was very few young people. They're mostly middle,

Speaker 1 60 and up, no phones,

Speaker 1 dumb. They didn't know anything about what was going on.

Speaker 50 That's kind of the egregious part, is that they really just don't know much about our system,

Speaker 144 how it's supposed to work, how it has been working.

Speaker 18 You don't actually want a democracy.

Speaker 63 That is the end of everything.

Speaker 109 Just look at Europe.

Speaker 99 These people, I love the people who say, oh, I'm going to go live in Lisbon.

Speaker 150 It's great there.

Speaker 53 Okay.

Speaker 16 All right.

Speaker 16 Don't hang out too long

Speaker 145 because it's all gonna come crashing down

Speaker 3 lisbon i'm going to portugal it's the best no not really

Speaker 139 you'll see

Speaker 151 so yeah so i'm i'm i was pleased i would i have to say i was just pleased that it wasn't what it could have been and what the republican scaremongers told us it would be

Speaker 24 you know we've always had we've always had dumb people in america we've always looked at other americans that guy's crazy

Speaker 51 you know we've had a lot of weird things

Speaker 20 that we do, that we get into.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 66 jazzer size.

Speaker 12 We've had some odd ones.

Speaker 1 You're wondering.

Speaker 1 You kind of like

Speaker 1 going off here.

Speaker 84 Yeah, I am. I am.

Speaker 1 Jazzer size.

Speaker 152 I was wondering where this was headed.

Speaker 153 That's just nowhere.

Speaker 41 Straight into a pit.

Speaker 152 Wow.

Speaker 124 Straight into a pit.

Speaker 110 I did have one clip from Don Lemon who

Speaker 72 Now, if anyone's a problem.

Speaker 1 Don Lemon and you should arm ourselves.

Speaker 38 Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 60 It's like Don Lemon.

Speaker 91 That's a great clip.

Speaker 16 Now, by the way, I agreed with Don Lemon.

Speaker 40 Everybody should arm themselves.

Speaker 1 Most people agree with Don Lemon.

Speaker 1 It's just that his attitude about it is wrong.

Speaker 7 It's a problem.

Speaker 154 Black people.

Speaker 154 Brown people of all stripes, whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or whoever you are, go out

Speaker 154 in your place where you live and get a gun legally, get a license to carry legally.

Speaker 154 Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the Second Amendment was written for?

Speaker 154 Go back and read what the Second Amendment says. And perhaps it will knock some sense in the head, in the heads of these people who are saying, well, it's all great.

Speaker 154 I don't believe they're doing it without due process. They're asking people for papers.
They're not really beating people up. These people are doing things that are illegal.
Nobody is illegal.

Speaker 154 It is a misdemeanor to cross the border.

Speaker 114 It's misdemeanor.

Speaker 56 I love somehow this audio on him got really fliffy. He sounds better that way.

Speaker 46 It's a misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 You know, the other thing is, besides this fact that he thinks misdemeanor is not breaking the law,

Speaker 1 he, which we had in another clip, but he.

Speaker 1 He lives in, I think he lives in New York, if I'm not mistaken. You can't get a gun in New York.

Speaker 105 No, no.

Speaker 1 No matter what you think. No.

Speaker 103 But the so I, I, when I saw this, I did question myself because I've seen some other posts,

Speaker 158 posts on the X.

Speaker 50 And I wonder, you know, because I live in a predominantly white community in Texas, I mean, am I missing something?

Speaker 56 Am I missing American citizens who are brown and black being rousted and arrested and asked for their papers continuously?

Speaker 72 I don't see a lot of video evidence of it, and you'd think you would see it if that were happening.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 Where's the video evidence?

Speaker 56 Yeah, I mean, we've had enough of the kid being zip-tied.

Speaker 22 We know what that was now, and you know, dragged out naked.

Speaker 58 And, but, like, like I said on the last show, where you know, the white liberals of Austin are like, we need to do ice training for when they come to take our brown people.

Speaker 7 There's just no evidence of it,

Speaker 7 you know, no,

Speaker 157 So I'd like to see that.

Speaker 18 And I understand the empathy they have,

Speaker 122 but

Speaker 60 this is what democracy looks like.

Speaker 103 The president was democratically elected.

Speaker 53 Then he said he would do this.

Speaker 121 And I think he's doing what he said he would.

Speaker 24 And going way beyond with

Speaker 39 these boats. Man,

Speaker 47 this is a North Sea Nexus attack.

Speaker 25 This is fantastic.

Speaker 1 But the boats?

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 124 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 President. Let's explain that one.
Okay.

Speaker 53 As you said, and I agree with you that these drug boats, this is all drugs for Europe.

Speaker 121 And I'm in complete agreement.

Speaker 126 Knowing that in particular,

Speaker 63 once something comes into the port of Rotterdam, where most of the drugs come in, you know, through whatever pipelines coming from Colombia, coming from Venezuela, like, look, that's where the Coke comes from.

Speaker 55 That is is their money.

Speaker 145 That's the big, big money. It's the banks are involved.

Speaker 109 The politicians are involved.

Speaker 19 Drugs is the business.

Speaker 21 It's certainly the business of the Netherlands.

Speaker 72 It's one of two things.

Speaker 120 Either you're storing money for, well, three things.

Speaker 64 Storing money for big tech, which is tax-free because there's no tax on intellectual property,

Speaker 165 which is why the Rolling Stones have all their main offices there.

Speaker 56 Or you're running mailbox accounts for Russian oligarchs.

Speaker 116 or you're in the drug trade.

Speaker 16 I mean,

Speaker 166 it is a drug transport haven.

Speaker 133 It is a narco-state,

Speaker 139 and it's been that way for decades.

Speaker 108 So, yeah, when you

Speaker 23 start to

Speaker 80 take out boats, well, yeah.

Speaker 7 And now,

Speaker 1 you don't think Trump is taking the boats out on the behest of

Speaker 1 the kings?

Speaker 15 No, no, they're the ones taking the money.

Speaker 1 Messing with them?

Speaker 167 Yes.

Speaker 24 Oh, 100%.

Speaker 100 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 That's white supremacy, by the way.

Speaker 65 What do you mean that's white supremacy?

Speaker 1 To say 100%.

Speaker 111 Oh, that's white supremacy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, somebody said that.

Speaker 57 Have you been talking to the kids again?

Speaker 1 It's white supremacy. No, they didn't even come over.
Somebody on one of the MSNBC or somebody.

Speaker 2 Oh, really?

Speaker 63 Oh, that's great.

Speaker 16 So,

Speaker 30 let me see.

Speaker 120 So, I didn't even know this was going on.

Speaker 103 We have Operation Pacific Viper.

Speaker 48 This is not even in the Mediterranean.

Speaker 56 This is Operation Pacific Viper.

Speaker 168 Coast Guard has announced it has seized more than 100,000 pounds of cocaine. The seizures are part of Operation Pacific Viper.

Speaker 168 It started in August in the eastern Pacific Ocean, targeting drugs from Central and South America. Officials say they are seizing 1,600 pounds of drugs daily.

Speaker 168 86 people have been arrested, suspected suspected of narco-trafficking. The Coast Guard says it is focusing on drug smuggling routes in the eastern Pacific Ocean and dismantling

Speaker 168 narco-terrorist networks.

Speaker 27 Which includes Colombia.

Speaker 169 The United States has struck yet another ship in the Caribbean. In a bragging post on social media, President Donald Trump posted this video, claiming the vessel was a drug-carrying submarine.

Speaker 139 U.S.

Speaker 171 intelligence confirmed this vessel was loaded up with mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics.

Speaker 39 There were four known narco-terrorists on board the vessel. Two of the terrorists were killed.

Speaker 169 One of the survivors was a 34-year-old Colombian, who authorities say has been repatriated and will be prosecuted for alleged drug smuggling.

Speaker 169 Washington claims its unprecedented military campaign in the Caribbean has so far killed at least 27 drug smugglers. In Colombia, there is a different story.

Speaker 169 Local media reported that one of the victims from a recent attack was a fisherman whose engine was switched off and had issued a distress signal.

Speaker 169 And enraged President Gustavo Petro shared the reports on his own social media.

Speaker 175 U.S.

Speaker 172 government officials have committed murder and violated our sovereignty in our territorial waters. Fisherman Alejandro Carensa had no ties to drug traffickers and his daily activity was fishing.

Speaker 167 The U.S.

Speaker 169 has been building its military presence in the Caribbean and since September has targeted at least six vessels, some from Venezuela.

Speaker 169 Human rights experts have described the strikes as extrajudicial killings.

Speaker 70 Yeah, of course, that's the main narrative.

Speaker 114 Like, everybody's like, oh, you know, this is illegal killing.

Speaker 110 Illegal killing.

Speaker 38 Like, what killing should be legal?

Speaker 51 Oh, it's illegal killing.

Speaker 28 And I guess because of the past couple of days, CBS, you know, brought it all back in a report about CIA in Venezuela.

Speaker 177 In a dramatic news show of force, three B-52 long-range bombers flew for hours yesterday off the coast of Venezuela.

Speaker 177 Late today, the commander in charge of the mission, Admiral Alvin Hosley, abruptly stepped down, a surprise move less than a year into the job.

Speaker 177 That's after President Trump told reporters he authorized CIA operations in the country, prompting concern from Democrats on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 178 Starting wars that may spiral out of control ought to be deeply alarming to the American public.

Speaker 177 There are now 10,000 troops in the Caribbean, including eight warships and a submarine.

Speaker 177 And new images show military helicopters which could carry Special operations soldiers 90 miles off Venezuela's coast.

Speaker 179 We are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control.

Speaker 177 The U.S. military took out another alleged drug-carrying boat this week, the fifth strike in six weeks.

Speaker 177 Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has fired back against the escalation, saying there will be no regime change or CIA-orchestrated coup.

Speaker 177 President Trump has not explicitly called for regime change, but the administration has made clear it does not want Maduro to remain in power.

Speaker 177 There's a $50 million reward for information leading to his arrest for alleged drug trafficking. Former U.S.
Ambassador to Panama, John Feely, said Maduro has long been a problem for the U.S.

Speaker 182 He is the nominal head of a government that has been wholly captured by organized crime in Venezuela.

Speaker 69 You know, and I think the problem is not even so much, well, the drugs are the problem, of course, but we have to go back to the Panama Papers.

Speaker 102 That's how all the drug money was being hidden.

Speaker 120 And it's from, remember how many people had money involved in the Panama Papers?

Speaker 1 Everybody. Yeah.

Speaker 99 And people who don't even know it.

Speaker 155 I got a lot of money. I give it to those guys.

Speaker 56 Those guys did something with it.

Speaker 7 You know, it's all stored offshore. And

Speaker 59 this is the cartel.

Speaker 47 And I think President Trump is bringing it down.

Speaker 24 Interestingly,

Speaker 149 or at least this is a start.

Speaker 33 It's pretty big.

Speaker 181 Interestingly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty big when you're bringing in 100, you know, 50,000 pounds of Coke at a time,

Speaker 1 15,000 pounds a day. How much cocaine is the American public consuming?

Speaker 82 Well, it's not really.

Speaker 1 You can sense a lot of it by some of the people that you see, even on podcasts.

Speaker 48 I never noticed it.

Speaker 51 That's your job.

Speaker 66 That's your beat. You notice the

Speaker 1 surprise that you never picked up on that.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you could tell just listening to the guy talk that maybe something's wrong with his, he's got an adenoidal side.

Speaker 175 Who, who?

Speaker 15 Give me no.

Speaker 122 We've got, they're all over the place.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 the number of people that you hear that have the coke voice

Speaker 1 is,

Speaker 1 I'd be saying it too often. Well, you know, that guy sounds like you can't keep accusing everybody being coked up.
Sometimes with these numbers I'm hearing, maybe they are.

Speaker 56 No, it's Europe.

Speaker 1 Europe, everybody's doing it.

Speaker 7 Oh, we could do that.

Speaker 32 I think you're wrong.

Speaker 1 I think a good portion of

Speaker 1 the politicians are coked up.

Speaker 82 Oh, that's in this country.

Speaker 145 Yeah, no,

Speaker 112 well, they're just getting part of the supply.

Speaker 84 They're in the supply chain.

Speaker 121 And by the way, as a former drug user, I can just say cocaine is not an excellent drug.

Speaker 15 It sucks.

Speaker 16 You know, weed, yeah, all right. You know,

Speaker 25 I can go with that.

Speaker 24 But cocaine, no, it's just a crappy drug.

Speaker 185 Anyway, so Maduro,

Speaker 25 apparently, according to this journalist, he said, What do you want?

Speaker 166 I'll do anything you want, just stop it, make it stop, make it go away.

Speaker 111 I didn't even know he had said that, but this is what this journalist said

Speaker 111 to the president in a question.

Speaker 186 Mr.

Speaker 187 President, it has been reported that Maduro offered everything

Speaker 187 in his country, all the natural resources. He even recorded a message to you in English recently offering mediation.

Speaker 186 What should we do

Speaker 186 to stop that?

Speaker 188 He has offered everything. He's offered everything.
You're right. You know why?

Speaker 188 Because he doesn't want to fuck around with the United States. Thank you, everybody.

Speaker 189 Thank you, man.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Prince. Wow.

Speaker 122 Wow.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 116 that's big boy talk right there.

Speaker 190 And then this

Speaker 1 surprise.

Speaker 1 By the way, I've heard that clip a dozen times, but they've always bleeped out what he said.

Speaker 21 Oh, well, that's no good.

Speaker 21 And this, you know, this

Speaker 48 head of U.S.

Speaker 163 military for Latin American Command or whatever it is, in a surprise move, he has resigned.

Speaker 162 Well, that's not entirely true.

Speaker 192 It's the latest shake-up in the senior ranks of the U.S. military under the Trump administration.

Speaker 192 The admiral who oversees operations in the South Caribbean and Latin America will step down in December, two years earlier than expected.

Speaker 16 December.

Speaker 108 It's not like he quit right away.

Speaker 138 Like, you can't be killing people. I quit.

Speaker 68 I'm a military man.

Speaker 40 We don't kill people. I quit.

Speaker 1 That's a good line.

Speaker 24 He's retiring early.

Speaker 171 On behalf of the Department of War, we extend our deepest gratitude to Admiral Alvin Hulsey for his more than 37 years of distinguished service to our nation as he plans to retire at year's end.

Speaker 192 The New York Times reports a U.S.

Speaker 192 official said Holsey raised concerns over attacks on alleged drug boats, and a source told Reuters that there was tension between him and Secretary Hegseth in the days leading up to the moment.

Speaker 192 On October 10th, Florida-based U.S.

Speaker 192 Southern Command announced it would create a new joint task force based in North Carolina to coordinate future counter-narcotics operations in the Western Hemisphere.

Speaker 192 This shake-up takes place in the backdrop of a U.S. military buildup and an escalation of tensions with Venezuela.

Speaker 110 Yeah, you're just connecting things.

Speaker 111 I honestly don't think it's connected.

Speaker 144 I think the guy's just tired.

Speaker 102 You know what?

Speaker 24 I'm getting out early.

Speaker 14 Oh, no, this is no good.

Speaker 153 And and France, man, France is in the crosshairs.

Speaker 185 This got almost no press.

Speaker 48 At least I didn't hear about it until I came across this one clip.

Speaker 192 France's biggest bank, BNP Paribas, forced to pay millions of dollars because of its operations in Sudan. It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s.

Speaker 39 On Friday, a U.S.

Speaker 192 jury sided with... Say what?

Speaker 1 That was BNP, Bank National Parish.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 1 That's a big bank.

Speaker 57 It's the biggest. It's the biggest one.
We'll listen to the accusation that they were found guilty of.

Speaker 192 It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s. On Friday, a U.S.

Speaker 192 jury sided with three plaintiffs after hearing testimonies of their suffering at the hands of Sudanese soldiers and militias.

Speaker 163 Our clients lost everything to a campaign of destruction fueled by U.S. dollars that BMP Paribas facilitated and that should have been stopped.

Speaker 192 The plaintiffs, two men and one woman, originally from Sudan but now American citizens, said that they had been tortured, burned with cigarettes, and in the case of the woman, sexually assaulted by Sudanese forces while former President Omar al-Bashir was in power.

Speaker 192 The plaintiffs argued the bank backed al-Bashir's regime by giving it access to markets to export resources, enabling it to buy weapons for use against its population.

Speaker 192 The war in Sudan killed 300,000 people and displaced millions between 2002 and 2008, according to the UN.

Speaker 192 Attorneys for BNP Paribas said it had no knowledge of the human rights violations and that the plaintiffs would have been abused or tortured despite the bank's operations in the country.

Speaker 50 Sudan would and did commit human rights crimes without oil or BNP Peribas.

Speaker 192 The plaintiffs will be awarded over $20 million.

Speaker 192 Their lawyers say their case may open the door for 20,000 other Sudanese refugees in the U.S. to seek billions of dollars in compensation from the French bank.

Speaker 142 Not that we care much about Sudanese in America.

Speaker 20 I mean, I didn't see any protests about the 300,000 dead people.

Speaker 7 Nah.

Speaker 66 Who cares? No juice.

Speaker 20 No juice to blame it on.

Speaker 23 Here's,

Speaker 23 you know, since.

Speaker 1 That's right. Bank National

Speaker 1 Peri Bas, I think, is what it's the last the P stands for here.

Speaker 110 Yeah, it's uh it's the biggest one.

Speaker 11 And so they were

Speaker 33 funding that guy.

Speaker 1 I don't say you know, they're doing banker stuff. They're giving money to people.

Speaker 198 Exactly.

Speaker 14 All wars are banker wars.

Speaker 72 I'm not no disagreement from me there.

Speaker 60 And now

Speaker 16 we've got our boys.

Speaker 156 Hey, France is weak.

Speaker 126 I know.

Speaker 138 Let's put in the call to the boys.

Speaker 184 Down again to just 1A.

Speaker 184 Credits ratings agency standard and pause has notched France down to A plus one month after Fitch did this.

Speaker 140 A plus.

Speaker 21 Yeah, from

Speaker 56 double A from triple A to double A to A plus.

Speaker 1 That's way down. That's horrible.

Speaker 100 Yes.

Speaker 184 They think the country will be slower to repair its finances and repay its debts than previously expected.

Speaker 95 We expect policy uncertainty will affect the French economy by dragging on investment activity and private consumption and therefore on economic growth.

Speaker 184 It's a slap in the face before France's fractured parliament begins debating a new budget on Monday.

Speaker 184 The downgrade is an unusual move outside of regular scheduled updates and came at the end of a turbulent week in which Prime Minister Sébastien Le Cornu survived two no-confidence votes and pledged to suspend a highly controversial pension reform.

Speaker 184 Reacting to the rating, Finance Minister Holon Lescure said it stressed the importance of approving a budget by the end of the year.

Speaker 171 The agency highlighted France's very good fundamentals.

Speaker 171 We have a diversified economy, resilient growth, and a high level of savings, which is really important.

Speaker 184 As hard as passing a budget will be, it's only the beginning. SNP projects that France's debt will rise to 121% of GDP by 2028, 9% more than last year.

Speaker 184 Next Friday, fellow credit ratio Moudis will reveal whether they too are downgrading France.

Speaker 131 Of course, they will.

Speaker 1 Of course, they will, because the other guys did. Yeah, of course.
Like the first one, that's why they did it out of order. They said it was not normal to do it outside of their quarterly changes.

Speaker 1 So they just jumped on board. No, we're not going to.
No, we did it. We did it already.
Exactly. It's for the reputation of Standard and Poor's.
That's the only reason they did it out of the blue.

Speaker 181 Of course.

Speaker 109 Of course.

Speaker 1 So Moody's will do it. And so then next thing it'll be down to an A.

Speaker 79 Yeah. And of course,

Speaker 51 it's, I mean, we have 125% debt to GDP, I think, but we have our own money.

Speaker 175 No, no, we don't 125.

Speaker 1 What is it? No, it's way below that. It's over 100, but it's not 125.

Speaker 116 Oh, I thought I was people always told me.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 3 ask the robot.

Speaker 60 All right, let me ask the robot.

Speaker 16 Hold on a second.

Speaker 5 Hello, robot. Where are you? Where's my robot?

Speaker 202 What is the current U.S.

Speaker 203 debt to GDP ratio?

Speaker 176 A GDP ratio usually means a figure.

Speaker 166 I don't need a lesson in GDP.

Speaker 7 I'll try it again.

Speaker 72 What is the current United States GDP to debt ratio?

Speaker 135 The current United States debt to GDP ratio is about 119%,

Speaker 176 meaning total debt's a bit over 36 trillion.

Speaker 24 Okay, well, so she says 119.

Speaker 20 All right.

Speaker 51 So it wasn't way below.

Speaker 134 No, well,

Speaker 1 I thought it was less than 119.

Speaker 175 Way below.

Speaker 1 So I'm not, it wasn't way below. It's just below.
Yeah.

Speaker 133 But they don't, but they don't control their own money.

Speaker 72 They don't get to print it. They don't, they don't control.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's a big difference.

Speaker 22 They may have a French lady running the show, but I don't think she has any affinity towards France per se.

Speaker 72 She's an international banker.

Speaker 10 So, so yeah, you know.

Speaker 122 Meh.

Speaker 25 I think that they're screwed.

Speaker 125 Yeah, I think the war is on.

Speaker 1 Greece all over again.

Speaker 115 Well, Greece was a little worse, and it was their own people, their own European brethren, doing it to them.

Speaker 12 You know.

Speaker 56 Which, of course, should bring us to what's happening in Ukraine because that is the next step.

Speaker 1 I'll put a couple of clips on this. I have to do some analysis.

Speaker 56 Yes, I have some analysis too.

Speaker 20 We'll go with your analysis first.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 Go with my analysis first. Yes.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 57 Oh, well, I thought you have no leading.

Speaker 121 You're not going to tell me where the government is.

Speaker 41 No, I got no.

Speaker 1 You know, because you just clip this random Ukraine analysis.

Speaker 58 Yeah, but who, where are they from?

Speaker 166 What is it? What is it about?

Speaker 1 These are from NPR. No.
It may even be Scott Simon's boys.

Speaker 33 Oh.

Speaker 21 If it's Scott Simon, I'll be mad.

Speaker 7 There we go.

Speaker 206 President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting in their current position.

Speaker 3 I warned you.

Speaker 145 This is an outrage

Speaker 1 because you didn't get to play the Scott Simon jingle.

Speaker 131 Exactly.

Speaker 27 Suffering suckatash. I'm Scott.

Speaker 206 Simon. President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting in their current positions and start setting up a ceasefire.

Speaker 206 He made the comments Friday after a two-hour meeting in the Oval Office with Ukraine's President Zelensky, who told reporters that he agreed.

Speaker 207 He is right.

Speaker 208 President is right, that we have to stop where we are. This is important to stop where we are and then to speak.

Speaker 206 Getting there, however, remains a challenge, and Ukrainians say largely because of Russia. And Pierre's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kakisis in Kyiv joins us.
Joanna, thanks for being with us.

Speaker 209 Thanks for having me on the show, Scott.

Speaker 24 How are Ukrainians reacting to President Trump's latest proposal to end the war?

Speaker 209 Well, Scott, Ukrainians certainly want a ceasefire. They want an end to the war, which Russia started.

Speaker 209 And they certainly see that this is a war of attrition, and Russia is larger and has more resources.

Speaker 209 In Kyiv, we spoke with Vladislav Havrilov, who investigates Russian war crimes here, and here's how he put it.

Speaker 209 He's saying that the war is depleting Ukraine, that there are not enough people or resources or emotional bandwidth to keep fighting indefinitely.

Speaker 209 However, like many Ukrainians, he says that a ceasefire favoring Russia would only open Ukraine to future Russian attacks.

Speaker 206 tried to convince the Trump administration that accommodating Russia is not going to lead to peace.

Speaker 209 So, Scott, before I get into that, let me point out that Russia actually began its war on Ukraine back in 2014, seizing parts of the south and east.

Speaker 209 Now, Russia agreed to previous ceasefires during that stage of the war, but repeatedly violated the terms. And then in 2022, Russian forces tried to invade all of Ukraine.

Speaker 209 So, Zelensky told reporters in Washington that to make a current ceasefire work, you need to strengthen strengthen Ukraine and force Russian President Vladimir Putin into concessions.

Speaker 114 Okay, a couple things.

Speaker 65 First,

Speaker 114 interesting that this started when Russia took over Crimea.

Speaker 62 Forget all the other stuff that happened in 2014.

Speaker 109 By the way, it turns out Boris Johnson.

Speaker 1 Oh, forget the fact that this is what democracy looks like. They voted.

Speaker 1 The public voted in a democratic fashion in Crimea and voted for the Russians to take over.

Speaker 1 That's what democracy looks like.

Speaker 24 No, that's not what democracy looks like because it's not right.

Speaker 158 It turns out Boris Johnson, when he went in to stop the peace negotiations, he brought in one of his big donors to

Speaker 72 his outfit, his organization.

Speaker 23 And once the peace process was stopped, that guy donated a million pounds.

Speaker 20 Just one of those little irritating little things that pops up.

Speaker 131 The second thing,

Speaker 67 you know what I'm missing?

Speaker 48 Besides endless war footage of all the people being killed in Ukraine, I know it's available.

Speaker 72 Please don't email me and say it's on Telegram.

Speaker 47 I know.

Speaker 162 I'm talking about mainstream visuals.

Speaker 63 We've had it of everything.

Speaker 66 Of all the wars that are important to television, they show it.

Speaker 72 So this one is just not important.

Speaker 185 And what I never see or hear is man on the street.

Speaker 60 Can I hear one Ukrainian voice just once?

Speaker 56 I don't ever hear a Ukrainian person speaking about what they think about what's going on.

Speaker 21 It's always some analyst.

Speaker 1 I have seen and heard this.

Speaker 66 Well, then we need to bring some clips because I'm skeptical.

Speaker 21 I don't see any of it.

Speaker 1 Well, you're saying that the whole war is a scam, is a fake?

Speaker 67 No, I'm saying that they're not being honest about it.

Speaker 56 And maybe the Ukrainians are really sick and tired of this.

Speaker 31 And it's not just, well, you know, it's hard to get people to fight.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to argue against that because they should be.

Speaker 109 Yes, I'm sure they are.

Speaker 27 Sure they are.

Speaker 25 All right, let's go to clip two.

Speaker 208 For us, all the signals from Russians, they are not new, but

Speaker 207 we count on President on his pressure on Putin to stop this war.

Speaker 3 Putin.

Speaker 209 And by pressure, he means additional U.S. sanctions or supplying Ukraine with American weapons like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which can hit targets deep inside Russia.

Speaker 25 I'm also, I got to stop here.

Speaker 185 Why do we not have protests against these completely misnomered, misnamed

Speaker 7 weapons?

Speaker 57 They should, I mean, isn't it?

Speaker 1 You mean by the Native Americans, by the indigenous people

Speaker 1 bitching and moaning about that Tomahawks?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 121 What do tomahawks do?

Speaker 127 Do they scalp the enemy?

Speaker 138 I mean, this is an outrage that we keep calling them tomahawks on NPR.

Speaker 209 But the Trump administration has not agreed to either.

Speaker 206 Can President Zelensky do anything more to convince them?

Speaker 209 Well, that's not clear because they can do a dance. You know, Ukrainians often see their diplomatic efforts fall apart after Trump talks with Putin, which he did before Zelensky's visit.

Speaker 209 And Zelensky, by the way, has spent months working on his relationship with Trump, which got off to a very rocky start at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 209 Ukraine has also signed a minerals deal with the Trump administration. Zelensky offered cutting-edge drones in exchange for maybe some Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Speaker 209 Ukrainian diplomacy did seem to pay off last month when Trump suggested Russia was weak and Ukraine could even win this war. But Zelensky walked away Friday with not much of anything.

Speaker 209 And Trump said he will meet with Putin soon in Hungary.

Speaker 206 Do Ukrainians tend to believe that President Trump alone can convince Russia to agree to a ceasefire?

Speaker 181 Well, that's interesting you ask that, Scott.

Speaker 129 I have some man on the street interviews from actual Ukrainians, and here's what they have to say.

Speaker 209 You know, some Ukrainians are skeptical.

Speaker 209 I spoke with Oleksandr Krayev of the Ukrainian Prison Foreign Policy Council in Kyiv, and he said Trump won't be able to negotiate any kind of ceasefire involving Russia without China, which supports Russia politically and financially.

Speaker 95 But that wasn't the question.

Speaker 56 Scott wanted to know about Ukrainians.

Speaker 117 Can you give us some console guy?

Speaker 56 See, this is what bothers me.

Speaker 1 They're just some guy that runs an NGO.

Speaker 146 Yeah, they're just playing games.

Speaker 110 Okay.

Speaker 95 This last one's short.

Speaker 32 This is short.

Speaker 25 Short.

Speaker 213 China is the only one who can influence Russia to stop hostilities and to stop the attacks and to stop the war as it is.

Speaker 213 So basically, without substantial push from China and without substantial push from the United States on China in order to push on Russia, I don't think anything will be done.

Speaker 209 He says the next steps might be clearer after China and the U.S. fight out their trade war.

Speaker 111 It turns out that the Ukrainians speak perfect English, but we don't have any men on the street.

Speaker 47 Okay.

Speaker 11 So I have a few clips here.

Speaker 20 of Zelensky in DC.

Speaker 50 And what was different is this was more like a board meeting.

Speaker 56 So I found the setting to be interesting.

Speaker 72 This wasn't a come and sit down in front of my gold fireplace.

Speaker 121 This was a come on, I want you to come into the boardroom here, Volodymyr.

Speaker 117 Why don't you sit down and why don't you tell us what you want?

Speaker 14 U.S.

Speaker 214 President Donald Trump is backing off on providing Ukraine with long-range tomahawk missiles, something his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky is still lobbying hard to receive.

Speaker 102 Ukraine has such thousands of our production drones, but we don't have tomahawks. That's why we need tomahawks.

Speaker 215 But the United States is a very strong production.

Speaker 132 Yes.

Speaker 102 And the United States has tomahawks and other missiles, very strong missiles.

Speaker 207 But they can have our thousands of drones. That's why we can work together, where we can strengthen

Speaker 28 American production.

Speaker 116 This is hilarious.

Speaker 190 Hey, man, we got awesome drones.

Speaker 60 Give us some tomahawks.

Speaker 46 What kind of deal is that?

Speaker 9 We don't want the tomahawks?

Speaker 131 That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 i mean the drones that's just it's like oh we have thousands of uh drones well why don't you stick them up your butt we don't need the drones what are we gonna use drones for other than to terrorize our own people over new jersey well that that'll be late later well so uh the thing the other thing is we you know there's got to be a at least in the meetings without without without vladimir there

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 where they where they um

Speaker 1 they say, you know, if he gets a hold of these tomahawks, he's going to send one right into the Kremlin.

Speaker 147 Of course.

Speaker 111 Well, actually, there's a little more to the tomahawk business, but first let's go to my boy, my boy from Candinavia, Rasulis, Andrew Rasoulis.

Speaker 145 I got a rundown from him once again.

Speaker 1 We haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 14 Yeah, because it wasn't interesting, but now it's interesting again.

Speaker 16 So they get him back in.

Speaker 61 And of course, what happened in the backdrop of all this is the Trump-Putin phone call.

Speaker 193 Well, certainly the conversation that he had with Putin at Putin's request on Thursday seemed to make a very significant impact on Trump.

Speaker 193 We saw that display in yesterday's meeting with Zelensky in the open news port where we could actually watch the conversation.

Speaker 193 And I watched Trump very carefully and he seemed to me to be very convinced.

Speaker 193 not that there was a guarantee at achieving a peace settlement, but that there was a real prospect, which is why he's going now this distance to a bilateral summit with Putin in Hungary, and maybe about four weeks from now.

Speaker 193 We'll have to see, sometime in November, I would imagine.

Speaker 125 But there was a shift.

Speaker 193 I mean, so the Russians said something, or Putin said something to Trump in those two and a half hours that we, of course, do not know what that was.

Speaker 193 But we know, based on Trump's reaction, that Putin must have convinced him, based on probably two tracks.

Speaker 193 One is something about the Ukraine war that maybe there's some movement possible from the Russian side. And two, the bilateral side.

Speaker 193 This is the ongoing American and Russian attempts to rebuild the bilateral relationship, which is very important to both Trump and Putin.

Speaker 193 So anyways, all that led to Trump being convinced it's worth a shot and diplomacy is back on the track.

Speaker 56 Okay, so something happened.

Speaker 150 We don't know exactly what.

Speaker 85 And

Speaker 1 I think it has to do do with the previous clips because he didn't put two and two together here, but I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 I think it has something to do with China.

Speaker 95 Well, he actually does go into this

Speaker 194 in a later clip here.

Speaker 144 But first, we need to talk about the tomahawks.

Speaker 21 And again,

Speaker 56 I think it was almost more insulting to have Volodymyr Zelensky sitting there saying, hey, man, I got a thousand drones.

Speaker 24 Give me some tomahawks.

Speaker 116 I mean, even price-wise, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 111 But the tomahawk turnaround is on deck here.

Speaker 193 Well, I think the turnaround is predominantly diplomatic. I mean, yes, the United States has to maintain its stockpile.

Speaker 193 And there was never any talk, even when Trump was suggesting that they might sell tomahawks to Ukrainians.

Speaker 193 The numbers floated in the press were like 10, 15, very small numbers, and not all that significant in the battlefield context.

Speaker 193 You would need

Speaker 193 hundreds of these missiles to really be effective effective strategically. They need to be fired in salvos and so on.

Speaker 193 So there was always this sort of limitation from Trump. He was, I think, mostly using it as a kind of a rhetorical push against the Russians.

Speaker 193 And it may have succeeded because he got a phone call on Thursday from Putin.

Speaker 114 So I thought that to be interesting.

Speaker 20 I don't know much about the Tomahawk missiles, but I guess that they're not just good, just having like 10 of them.

Speaker 16 You got to have hundreds of them in order for them to be effective.

Speaker 7 Well, that's what he said.

Speaker 14 That's what he said.

Speaker 1 I know, but that's not the case. It's a cruise missile.

Speaker 7 Well, don't they have?

Speaker 1 They don't need hundreds of cruise missiles. They used to use them in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 They shot them off of ships, and there'd be one shot off, and then another. There'd be like two.

Speaker 81 And they go all.

Speaker 1 I think those are the things that may have hit one of the Iranian nuke plants. You don't have hundreds of them.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if we have that many. We're bitching and moaning that we haven't got enough tomahawks.
It's not like a little bitty thing. It's a big giant missile.

Speaker 131 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Subsonic cruise missile.

Speaker 124 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it floats around, low to the ground so a radar can't catch it.

Speaker 143 So they can't stop it with like their own Russian iron dome?

Speaker 1 There is no Russian iron dome.

Speaker 121 Oh, how do you know? We've never tried it.

Speaker 124 Well,

Speaker 7 we don't want to find out.

Speaker 91 I don't leave a cruise missile to Moscow.

Speaker 56 Obviously, you don't want this dancer to have any tomahawks.

Speaker 22 That's obvious. That's just no good.

Speaker 1 No, it's no good.

Speaker 56 Even if there was a deal on deck, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 103 And I think you have to have U.S.

Speaker 151 guidance in order to use those.

Speaker 48 I don't think they just light the fuse and go, all right, put your fingers in your ears.

Speaker 1 Put their hands over their ears.

Speaker 63 I don't think that's how it works.

Speaker 16 So, of course, we had the bilateral coming up in

Speaker 62 Budapest, and there could be some issues with the European nations.

Speaker 105 They will.

Speaker 193 I mean, there will be certain countries that will insist on

Speaker 193 what they would say the rule of law and the adherence to the International Criminal Court.

Speaker 193 On the other hand, it's well known these provisions can be waived for special circumstances, and it can be waived to achieve a diplomatic meeting. That is certainly within the construct of the law.

Speaker 193 So exemptions are permissible.

Speaker 193 And so,

Speaker 193 you know, he would have to get a flight plan and so on.

Speaker 193 He would, if you look at the map, I did a quick look, Black Sea to Mediterranean International Airspace. He'd have to cross Slovenian airspace and then Austrian airspace to get to Hungary.

Speaker 193 Those would be the minimum amount of European countries that would have to grant him airspace privileges.

Speaker 193 But I think, under the circumstances, I would be surprised to find those countries or any other countries really stand in the way.

Speaker 63 All right. Well, I do have the latest out of Brussels.

Speaker 121 This is the secondant to Queen Ursula, cautiously welcoming the

Speaker 101 Putin-Trump meeting in

Speaker 22 Budapest.

Speaker 210 The European Commission has cautiously welcomed the announcement of a summit between the American and Russian Presidents to find a solution to the war in Ukraine.

Speaker 210 The meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin could take place within two weeks in Budapest, although no further details are available at the moment.

Speaker 45 What I want to convey from the European Commission point of view and from President von der Leyen's point of view, first to repeat that any meeting that moves

Speaker 45 forward the process of achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine is welcome.

Speaker 210 The location of the meeting is politically significant. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is seen as close to Donald Trump as well as to Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 210 Furthermore, Viktor Orban is at odds with the European Union regarding its stance on the war in Ukraine.

Speaker 216 Cautiously, cautiously.

Speaker 1 I think that was an interesting clip, the previous one, about how it's illegal, actually, to have Putin go to Budapest

Speaker 1 because he's indicted by the International Criminal Court, which is part of the EU, and so they have to arrest him.

Speaker 66 Well, no, I think what he said is that they can.

Speaker 1 No, then he said that they can get an exception.

Speaker 3 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 Which has to be done in writing, or just somebody says it, or the whole thing bullcrap.

Speaker 62 In triplicate with carbon copy paper.

Speaker 64 All right, we got some stamps here.

Speaker 53 All right, you're good to go.

Speaker 80 You've got passage.

Speaker 7 And then Queen Ursula,

Speaker 19 this was puzzling to me.

Speaker 72 This is her response to the,

Speaker 151 let's put uh cease fire in big quotes, and it seems to be still some some firing going on in Israel, uh between Israel and the Gazans.

Speaker 27 Uh war is over, so I guess now it's time for Europe to do something.

Speaker 200 The devastating w war in Gaza has now come to an end, marking a pivotal moment not only for Gaza, but also for the European Union and the wider Mediterranean, marking the moment when the future of the region is being rewritten.

Speaker 200 Europe has a stake in shaping a future of

Speaker 200 prosperity. Because this is our common region, and we want to play our part as part of this.
And this is our commitment to our shared Mediterranean home.

Speaker 19 Our shared Mediterranean home.

Speaker 1 When did this happen all of a sudden?

Speaker 148 Probably during the Eurovision Song Contest.

Speaker 10 I'm not sure.

Speaker 82 So

Speaker 46 they have the whole system for it.

Speaker 200 In an increasingly competitive and contested global economy, our economic ties with our southern neighbours have already grown stronger.

Speaker 200 Trade between the European Union and the rest of the Mediterranean has increased by over sixty percent in the last five years. Our value chains are more and more interconnected.

Speaker 219 So we should work on a deeper integration.

Speaker 200 We should simplify making business with each other. And we should create new ties between our industries, our universities, our institutions.

Speaker 200 This is why today we are making a clear offer to our neighbors. Let us create a common Mediterranean space with the goal of progressive integration between the two of us.

Speaker 200 And this is the essence of the Pact of the Mediterranean.

Speaker 163 The Pact of the Mediterranean.

Speaker 1 See, this is exactly what Trump knows isn't a good idea. Let the Arabs run the place.

Speaker 23 Well, they're doing a pretty bad job.

Speaker 197 Some breaking news this hour. The Israeli military has confirmed that fighter jets carried out airstrikes in the Rafah area of southern Gaza on Sunday.

Speaker 197 The army says the strikes were in response to attacks by Hamas militants on Israeli troops. The militant group Hamas has so far not commented on these strikes.

Speaker 197 Meanwhile, the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt is still closed.

Speaker 197 It had been hoped that aid trucks could start using the crossing from Monday, but Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says it will remain closed until further notice, adding its reopening will depend on Hamas handing over the bodies of the remaining deceased hostages.

Speaker 197 Israel says it has identified both bodies of two deceased hostages that Hamas has handed over on Saturday night.

Speaker 197 Hamas has so far returned the remains of 12 identified bodies out of 28 deceased hostages.

Speaker 217 So, what happens now? Now,

Speaker 1 here's the problem. Yeah,

Speaker 1 these guys died maybe over a year ago, and they started stinking up the place. They buried them

Speaker 1 all over Gaza.

Speaker 140 There's a bunch of corpses.

Speaker 1 And so they're using bulldozers, they say, to have to dig up, trying to roll these guys out of the graves. You know, they're not like in a coffin.

Speaker 1 And so they got a bunch, you know, they're not going to get all 28 of them because most of them are decomposed.

Speaker 61 I know, but that wasn't the part of the report I was focusing on.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, but the part of the report I was focusing on was the guy says, says because they're the israelis are making a big fuss about where's our dead bodies

Speaker 81 yes i understand but that's not why they were fighting apparently hamas is still shooting at the idf behind the yellow line or whatever it is yeah the on so seen yellow the magical yellow line right but don't we have uh where are the arab troops there to go and stop and say well that's the question and and the indonesians are supposed to be there you know they should have these guys should have been there by now.

Speaker 56 Well, it doesn't seem like they're there yet.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree with that too. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 But they're never going to get these bodies back.

Speaker 7 Most of them

Speaker 32 are dissolved.

Speaker 63 That was probably a little trick.

Speaker 56 The Benjamin Netanyahu had up his sleeve.

Speaker 70 Oh, we'll never get it back so we can go and strike him again.

Speaker 1 I believe that's a possibility. Yeah.

Speaker 124 Which is not.

Speaker 1 I think Netanyahu is just not, you know, he's out of control. Yeah.

Speaker 102 He just announced he's running again.

Speaker 24 I don't think he's got the.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, the public is so irked by him. If he gets in again, then I have to say the elections in Israel are rigged.

Speaker 40 Yeah, I agree. But who will get in

Speaker 25 is the question.

Speaker 203 If he doesn't get in, who will it be?

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Probably some Jew.

Speaker 161 So speaking of Jews, there's it seems to be quite quite a problem with

Speaker 114 the upcoming soccer match, the football match

Speaker 153 in Birmingham.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 21 this whole thing is a mess.

Speaker 23 Here's the report.

Speaker 20 This is GBN, so take it for the slant they have.

Speaker 221 Maccabee Tel Aviv fans have been banned from Aston Villa's Europa League clash in Birmingham over, quotes, safety fears.

Speaker 222 Many residents have raised concerns about the football match, which is due to take place on the 6th of November. Maccabi Tel Aviv.
We've all seen those harrowing images from Amsterdam.

Speaker 222 I've started a petition to boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv. There is no space for violence or any thugs to come into Aston or indeed Birmingham.
That is why I urge everyone to sign up to this petition.

Speaker 223 Boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Speaker 221 Yes, so Jews aren't safe in Birmingham. Aston Villa Football Club were due to play Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League.

Speaker 221 That was local MP Ayub Khan, one of the infamous Gaza gang, and he did that ridiculous video. And then now this has happened, hasn't it? This is a statement from West Midlands Police.

Speaker 221 This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024 Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam.

Speaker 221 Okay, it's not really... about safety.

Speaker 89 We all know what this is about.

Speaker 134 We all know.

Speaker 52 And today the government released released this statement.

Speaker 216 We have to step up in relation to defeating anti-Semitism.

Speaker 197 Action is what matters.

Speaker 216 And we're absolutely committed to that.

Speaker 224 The discussion we've had this morning was not about words. It was about what are the actions that are going to follow through from this.

Speaker 27 But it's amazing.

Speaker 129 The Kirstam residents know whose side to be on now.

Speaker 225 They're like, well, you know,

Speaker 117 we don't want

Speaker 121 to have problems with the Jews, but we don't, you know, you can't really come or you can, you can't.

Speaker 16 And of course, all of these cities have become completely overrun with Muslims, and the Brits are tired of it.

Speaker 96 This is Matt Goodwin.

Speaker 39 He's a conservative journalist.

Speaker 160 Again, GBN.

Speaker 37 Dear Sama says he is shocked by the events in Birmingham, where police, supported by local independent Muslim politicians, have banned Jewish football fans, fans of the Maccabi Tel Aviv team, from coming to Birmingham, our second major city.

Speaker 37 This is a national disgrace. This is absolutely appalling.
But I have a question. Why is Kirstama shocked?

Speaker 37 This Muslim sectarianism is exactly what the Labour government and Kirstama have enabled for many, many years.

Speaker 37 It was the Labour Party that gave us the policy of mass uncontrolled immigration while not even bothering to integrate our communities.

Speaker 37 It was the Labour Party that recognized Palestine at exactly the wrong time.

Speaker 37 The Labour Party that allowed the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine hate marches on the streets of our major cities with no pushback at all from the police.

Speaker 37 It was a Labour Party that mainstreamed two-tier policies in our police forces, encouraging them to prioritise some minorities over others.

Speaker 37 And it was a Labour Party that simultaneously berated millions of people in this country for being racist, for being far-right, when they highlighted to some of the problems that we can now see very clearly in cities like Birmingham.

Speaker 37 Keir Starmer and the Labour government are now only just beginning to see the downstream effects of the policies they have been promoting for much of the last 30 years. It's a national disgrace.

Speaker 37 Jews should be able to go wherever they want in Britain. There should be no no-go zones for Jews in this country.
It's absolutely shameful.

Speaker 20 Yeah, well, it is what it is, Britain.

Speaker 2 No go zone.

Speaker 39 Yeah, no go zone for Jews.

Speaker 125 No Jews here.

Speaker 125 Yeah.

Speaker 91 Which brings us to that hate note we got.

Speaker 72 Which one?

Speaker 183 There's a couple of them.

Speaker 16 Some good ones.

Speaker 110 Yeah, some good ones.

Speaker 30 What was the one?

Speaker 112 I mean, here's what I get.

Speaker 68 John blocked me, so I'm going to email you, Adam, and tell you how much I hate John.

Speaker 7 I get that all the time.

Speaker 56 Yes, no, I know you blocked this guy.

Speaker 121 I know you blocked him.

Speaker 1 Oh, I may have blocked him, but it's not because he's because of anything he's well.

Speaker 1 I block a few people.

Speaker 1 Judge's nuisances. I block a nuisance again.

Speaker 15 Well, I mean, I'll read it to you.

Speaker 57 Well, this email was blocked as well.

Speaker 120 Looks like I've made it on the John's block list.

Speaker 129 There should be an award for that.

Speaker 16 There should be a...

Speaker 1 Hey, maybe for a donation of $500, you can be on the block list.

Speaker 17 I could use another email address, but it seems clear that John would rather not deal with constructive criticism, hence his go-to choice of a red herring or straw man fallacious argument in response to constructive criticism rather than dealing slash growing slash improving regarding an issue when he's wrong.

Speaker 98 And

Speaker 38 this was the guy about the Warren versus Warren.

Speaker 59 That's the guy.

Speaker 24 I mean, I don't know why you blocked him because you did.

Speaker 81 I don't remember.

Speaker 1 You know, I may have blocked him after that last one.

Speaker 1 It's the same note. He sends it over and and over and over and over and over.
And

Speaker 1 I don't like getting into a dialogue with people that keep repeating themselves.

Speaker 1 And they keep belaboring the point that I say, okay, fine, you're right about it dramatically, but I didn't think it was funny.

Speaker 1 This guy wrote about saying I shouldn't have said when I wrote the script for

Speaker 1 Tronkite saying,

Speaker 1 if I wasn't dead, I'd like this show.

Speaker 1 And he says, no,

Speaker 1 it should be, if I were, weren't dead. And I said that it's not going to be, it's just not funny as funny as saying wasn't.
And he said, well, that may be true, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And then back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.

Speaker 125 Blocked.

Speaker 31 Why don't you just ignore the emails? Just ignore them.

Speaker 80 You don't have to answer everything.

Speaker 56 But when you block someone, it's an aggressive move.

Speaker 111 And in today's day and age, it's seen as...

Speaker 41 You know what?

Speaker 1 From now on, I'm going to, there's another mechanism that this system uses called a black hole.

Speaker 27 Put him in the black hole.

Speaker 1 And I just put him in the black hole.

Speaker 161 Okay, I can already predict the emails I'm getting.

Speaker 128 Well, looks like I got put in John's black hole, so I'm going to email you about how mad I am at him.

Speaker 9 It's amazing.

Speaker 121 Although I did get a good one today.

Speaker 28 I got a fun one.

Speaker 1 There was a letter that it was better, the one that bitched about us not liking Tucker's commentary.

Speaker 157 Well, no, okay, yes, but I predicted that would happen.

Speaker 1 Right, and I sent you a note back saying you were dead on on this, but that note is worth reading if I could find it. Yeah, yeah, I can find it.

Speaker 80 It's what happened to you guys?

Speaker 228 Yes, that's the one.

Speaker 40 Yeah,

Speaker 1 when it always starts off, you would get these notes from people that, what happened?

Speaker 21 So, just to reiterate, you brought in kind of rather oldish clips from Tucker with Sam Altman, and we were literally deconstructing the reason for this, what he was doing, what it was about.

Speaker 185 And I think our deconstruction was pretty spot-on.

Speaker 127 It's like, this was, you know, this is what you do.

Speaker 114 You need inventory.

Speaker 64 You got to create stuff. You got a name.

Speaker 114 You got Altman.

Speaker 62 You talked about his language being actionable.

Speaker 31 What else was there to say?

Speaker 105 Well, apparently, we did it all wrong.

Speaker 68 I tried listening to the latest episode today, but couldn't even finish it.

Speaker 40 Not a Tucker Carlson fan in particular. Barely even watch his show.

Speaker 227 But what you call media deconstruction right now is just shitting on someone's character because of emotional disdain.

Speaker 226 What's the emotional?

Speaker 111 What emotional disdain?

Speaker 1 I don't know of any emotional disdain that we

Speaker 24 have emotional disdain towards Tucker?

Speaker 152 I don't think so.

Speaker 57 There was literally nothing of substance you two had to say about that Ultimate interview except shitting on Tucker.

Speaker 131 Oh, he's accusing him.

Speaker 68 He just wants views. I remember you two doing the same thing when commenting on the interview he did with Ted Cruz.

Speaker 128 Zero substance, 100% disdain.

Speaker 40 It's like you two have Tucker derangement syndrome or something.

Speaker 7 This is a this is actually

Speaker 1 what I like about it is he starts it off by using the the concept that I never listened to Tucker. I'm not a big fan Yet all he's doing is defending Tucker.

Speaker 1 It's like it's you that the letter may have come from Tucker.

Speaker 14 But this is what's puzzling to me because as I said, because I said, hey, you're going to do anything about a podcast.

Speaker 95 We're going to get hate mail because it's like shooting inside the tent, man.

Speaker 60 And I think we literally did media deconstruction.

Speaker 126 You said, hey, it's media.

Speaker 225 And so he says, if you want to do actual media deconstruction, how about you go go over his talking points?

Speaker 79 Maybe try to debunk them or see what his sources are.

Speaker 95 What is that? That sounds like journalism.

Speaker 7 We don't do that.

Speaker 161 But we literally talked about every single talking point TikToker had.

Speaker 40 That would be actually interesting to listen to.

Speaker 56 He says, that would actually be interesting to listen to, but I won't epic.

Speaker 196 No, no.

Speaker 138 Instead, you two bicker about his ads.

Speaker 15 No, we didn't.

Speaker 80 We just said, that's what it's about.

Speaker 138 If this is the level you two have sunk to, it's no wonder he makes better quality content than you.

Speaker 57 In fact, it would be hard not to.

Speaker 103 You two are in desperate need of a reality check.

Speaker 40 I already stopped my donation some time ago exactly because of the behavior and bizarre out-of-touch takes like that.

Speaker 68 Please get your act together so some of us with common sense and above-average emotional intelligence can actually enjoy the show again.

Speaker 65 I think he wants second half of showback.

Speaker 20 I think that's what he's saying.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 1 more flying saucer stuff.

Speaker 138 It would be widely appreciated because I have fond memories of what No Agenda used to be.

Speaker 104 And if I didn't think you had it in you, I wouldn't be writing this message.

Speaker 38 We have gone through this so many times.

Speaker 65 Whenever we have a different take on something, which isn't

Speaker 114 the narrative of the podcast,

Speaker 139 then we get these kinds of notes.

Speaker 108 And it's okay.

Speaker 117 And you know what?

Speaker 111 You don't have to donate.

Speaker 145 You're not, you know, it's like, it's fine.

Speaker 1 I doubt if he ever donated.

Speaker 7 No, I think he did.

Speaker 1 I've been around long enough to know people that say, well,

Speaker 1 you've canceled my subscription.

Speaker 68 I've unsubscribed from your podcast.

Speaker 70 I did like this one that came in.

Speaker 33 Dear Adam, two things.

Speaker 19 One, I cannot stop singing the Secretary General song to myself.

Speaker 158 It is by far.

Speaker 89 You have the same problem.

Speaker 123 Oh, wait.

Speaker 110 She says it is by far the most powerful jingle ever used on the show, on the show, even more than Dvorak.org/slash NA.

Speaker 84 So she likes the show, likes the jingle.

Speaker 115 And by the way, the whole point of a jingle is to be an earworm so that it sticks in your head.

Speaker 53 And if you're singing our jingles, that's success to me.

Speaker 124 Two,

Speaker 63 I firmly believe that John and his family are hoodwinking you with this be nice to John stuff.

Speaker 166 Either they are creating multiple email addresses or whatever, or otherwise planting seeds.

Speaker 148 I like John very much, but he's very mean to you.

Speaker 60 And she has some examples.

Speaker 103 If you come up with a joke, he jabs you and says, Where did you get that from?

Speaker 123 You didn't write it.

Speaker 103 Even on the last episode, you mentioned knowing where the triangle in San Francisco is, and he said, You must have looked it up.

Speaker 9 That's some serious.

Speaker 32 I didn't do that. Yes, you do.

Speaker 7 That's well, you must have looked it up.

Speaker 14 Yes. Oh, you say that all the time.

Speaker 141 You looked it up.

Speaker 64 That's some serious treating you like a beta male.

Speaker 68 Meanwhile, John does the

Speaker 57 John does those long periods of silence.

Speaker 83 Instead of commenting on your club's clips, he just tells you to play his clips.

Speaker 58 Also, you put

Speaker 1 what you write.

Speaker 81 Tina wrote this.

Speaker 152 Did you say Tina and Tatina Snyder?

Speaker 166 Also, you put so much work into making the show sound professional.

Speaker 142 He talks while you play the jingles, blows his nose, turns his headphones up, which you don't wear, which is probably him being professionally contrarian, but he's gone off the rails and it just seems mean.

Speaker 23 Yes, there have been times, especially back in the weed days, when you were too touchy.

Speaker 103 But overall, there's not an issue with the way you treat John, in my opinion, is an issue in the way he treats you.

Speaker 63 Well, there you go.

Speaker 46 So

Speaker 142 she's, I'm being victim blamed.

Speaker 89 And I agree.

Speaker 14 I agree.

Speaker 131 She's spot on.

Speaker 24 Spot on with that.

Speaker 1 All right, people, you know what to do.

Speaker 85 Oh, man.

Speaker 116 That's great.

Speaker 20 And if anything, these notes keep it going for me.

Speaker 163 I did get one other note about the, you know, the video versus audio.

Speaker 1 Oh, we still get, I got a, I gotta, I ended up chatting with Brunetti about this.

Speaker 7 I'm more interested in that.

Speaker 25 What did he say?

Speaker 1 You know, it was the same lecture that we get about, oh, you know, the reason you want to do,

Speaker 1 he said,

Speaker 1 and he was just coming from a meeting with some guy at a bar. So I'm wondering how it would kind of be.
He was plastered. How loosed he is.
He was plastered, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe. But he did say that, you know, you can get the, you get the audience build.
It's about the audience.

Speaker 1 You get the audience because you get these mini clips and okay, the clips get out there on the YouTubes. And the two guys, he says, I know it's,

Speaker 1 he, he kind of liked the idea, but at the same time, he couldn't sell it to me.

Speaker 95 No, of course he can't because he wants people to watch his movies.

Speaker 65 He doesn't want them to be watching clips of his movies.

Speaker 14 So like, well, I saw the clips.

Speaker 217 That's what happened to South Park.

Speaker 126 You know, oh, I saw you didn't watch.

Speaker 69 You didn't even watch South Park when Trump was sleeping with the devil. I saw enough clips.
I don't don't need to watch that.

Speaker 16 That's right. It's true.

Speaker 1 The clips, yeah. In fact, most of the Joe Rogan stuff is now just clips.

Speaker 15 Absolutely, Megan Kelly.

Speaker 1 Not only that, but they've created the Joe Rogan meme where Joe Rogan says, hey, go to that video. This is the best thing I've seen forever.
And then they say random video.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not even from the show.

Speaker 65 I do want to point out that if you go to bingit.io, which is powered by Clip Genie,

Speaker 121 you can specifically make a clip.

Speaker 111 You can highlight the text in the transcript and make a shareable clip right on the spot.

Speaker 20 So it's not true.

Speaker 66 It's just not true.

Speaker 47 You can do this.

Speaker 124 Do this.

Speaker 67 But this producer was saying, you know, you don't know about the learning pyramid,

Speaker 16 the cone of learning.

Speaker 1 Did I see this?

Speaker 215 Was I CC'd.

Speaker 152 I think I CC'd.

Speaker 1 Because I remember something about the. It was hard.
I could not get through what he...

Speaker 1 I think I said a note back.

Speaker 81 You maybe you're right.

Speaker 1 If I could ever figure out what you said, well, I think what he was saying is that the

Speaker 110 learning cone or the learning pyramid

Speaker 48 basically works like this: 80%

Speaker 19 retention

Speaker 66 practiced by doing hands-on activities, 70% by discussion with others, 50% by demonstration, watching someone else do it, 30%

Speaker 66 watching videos, 20% reading, and the lowest 10%

Speaker 183 is by listening.

Speaker 100 And my point was, we are actually doing something at the top of the learning pyramid.

Speaker 31 We are teaching people to listen because there's no video.

Speaker 126 As you explained on the last show, because there's no video, you are forced to listen and you hear a lot more.

Speaker 16 We hear stuff that we didn't hear even while we were clipping it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes the third time,

Speaker 1 more than once I have clipped something. Oh, this is good.
I clip it and then I, then I produce it to put on the show. Then, when I hear it on the show for the third time, maybe the fourth,

Speaker 1 I pick up something new. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Happens all the time.

Speaker 18 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So. Yeah, you're not distracted by...
By Newsom wiggling his shoulders around and

Speaker 1 doing some jerk-off moves where it looks like he's jacking off two horses, you know, that kind of thing.

Speaker 131 Wow.

Speaker 110 Okay, I didn't see that one coming.

Speaker 7 Two horses.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 56 there's been some updates on the Gen Z revolutions that I want to get into because we have a lot of Gen Zers in the audience.

Speaker 11 I'm very proud to have these.

Speaker 183 They are the good Zeds.

Speaker 212 They are the winners.

Speaker 66 They are the future generation of winners.

Speaker 18 But I was astounded.

Speaker 1 There's a game show called The Floor.

Speaker 114 Are you familiar with this game show?

Speaker 3 I'm very familiar with it.

Speaker 60 You're familiar with it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times.

Speaker 16 What is it on?

Speaker 16 Where does it air?

Speaker 1 I believe it's on, it's either on Fox. I think it's on Fox, but it could be on ABC, but I think it's Fox.

Speaker 25 Let me see.

Speaker 46 Yes, Fox.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's on Fox.

Speaker 16 Rob Lowe, he hosts it.

Speaker 9 Rob Lowe?

Speaker 1 Yep, Rob Lowe hosts it.

Speaker 185 Funny enough, it's an original Dutch game show.

Speaker 16 How about that?

Speaker 1 No, that makes sense because the whole show,

Speaker 1 the premise with the show never made any sense to me. I watched it.

Speaker 82 What is it?

Speaker 1 It's very spectacular to watch.

Speaker 185 What is the premise of the game show?

Speaker 203 It's a trivia show, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they ask you these questions, then you have to form that, you have to get a line in the floor, and the floor lights up.

Speaker 122 It's very

Speaker 81 over.

Speaker 1 It's one of these highly produced game shows. It's an endemo show.

Speaker 25 It's an endemole show, is what it is. It sounds like.

Speaker 27 It's Endemol.

Speaker 16 Like the guy, John DeMoll, the guy who does all those things.

Speaker 164 Big Brother, all that stuff is from him.

Speaker 1 Well, whatever it is,

Speaker 1 it's visually stimulating.

Speaker 22 Okay, visually stimulating.

Speaker 162 So they have

Speaker 56 a contest, you know, as part of it. I've not watched it.

Speaker 157 I'm going to have to watch this show now.

Speaker 1 You're not going to like it.

Speaker 122 Well,

Speaker 17 so

Speaker 56 I was sent this clip.

Speaker 211 I could not, for the life of me, find the original.

Speaker 146 This is

Speaker 72 recorded from TV.

Speaker 38 So I fixed the sound somewhat.

Speaker 48 You'll get the idea.

Speaker 69 It's not all that bad in this case.

Speaker 111 And so they, on the so there's two contestants, one on the left, one on the right, and on the screen, they flash up clocks,

Speaker 64 like, you know, a church tower clock, then there's a digital clock showing 19:30 instead of 7:30.

Speaker 60 And literally,

Speaker 127 the object of the game between these two human beings, adult human beings, is to tell me what time it is by reading the clock.

Speaker 4 10:10.

Speaker 76 12. 12 o'clock.

Speaker 4 Wait, what?

Speaker 10 5 o'clock.

Speaker 10 11:30.

Speaker 10 That is

Speaker 210 2:55.

Speaker 231 1:55.

Speaker 4 155.

Speaker 232 2:50.

Speaker 4 1:50.

Speaker 4 9 o'clock.

Speaker 4 That is.

Speaker 4 That's five times.

Speaker 150 So, in what world would you ever expect to live where there would be a game show where adult human beings were tested on their ability to read clock?

Speaker 1 That's unbelievable. And then they also had the 24-hour clock digital.

Speaker 152 And that was because that was most people.

Speaker 113 Because it said 19:30.

Speaker 7 7:30, 7:30. Got it, 7:30.

Speaker 198 I mean, wow,

Speaker 4 huh?

Speaker 121 That is.

Speaker 166 To me, maybe I'm just an old fuddy ditty.

Speaker 1 You are.

Speaker 229 But that really surprised me.

Speaker 24 It surprised me.

Speaker 1 It's ludicrous.

Speaker 63 Now, are you familiar with the 6'7?

Speaker 76 The what?

Speaker 14 6'7, baby.

Speaker 1 6'7?

Speaker 161 You're not familiar with 6'7, 67, 6'7?

Speaker 83 You don't know about the 6'7?

Speaker 84 You got kids there?

Speaker 60 They're not talking.

Speaker 103 They don't laugh at you when you say 6.

Speaker 61 They say 7.

Speaker 58 6'7, 6'7.

Speaker 108 No?

Speaker 82 if I say six, they say seven, six, seven, five, six, five, six.

Speaker 98 Hell, we are back.

Speaker 189 We're back with something you're probably very familiar with, probably also very confused about if you spend any time around a teenager or even a tween as well.

Speaker 179 I'm not even gonna do the hand gesture.

Speaker 7 Oh, there's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 179 We're talking about six, seven, the slang that kids just cannot stop saying. But now, some teachers in schools are saying they have had enough.

Speaker 233 Yeah, I'd be seeing Savannah Sellers is here with more. Hey, Savannah, six, seven.

Speaker 95 Six, seven. You've got the tone down of everything.

Speaker 173 Good morning. You got to do the hand motion with it.

Speaker 209 So this first went viral last year.

Speaker 173 Here's the thing, though. It really means nothing at all.
But unlike most internet trends, this one seems to be sticking around, prompting some teachers to set some new rules in the classroom.

Speaker 40 6'7.

Speaker 111 And so

Speaker 63 I've been waiting for a report like this because I've been seeing this.

Speaker 18 go on for a while and it was just there never was anywhere.

Speaker 1 Where have you been seeing it? I have never seen this anywhere.

Speaker 157 Well, I actually look at TikTok once in a while, like the real TikTok, not the filtered down libtard nut jobs that you watch, but actually what's happening.

Speaker 1 That's an example of him being mean to me.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, you just heard it right there.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 157 I'm sorry.

Speaker 140 I apologize.

Speaker 87 Is that okay if I apologize?

Speaker 1 No, I don't care if you apologize or not. I just want to point it out that this woman,

Speaker 1 when Tina wrote that fake letter in,

Speaker 66 Tina is actually always on your side, to be honest about it.

Speaker 21 She's like, you know, you should be a little nicer to John.

Speaker 1 But she's actually a Christian.

Speaker 66 No, because then she says, because, you know, he's old and we got to be nice to our elders.

Speaker 1 There it is again, ladies and gentlemen. You just heard it.

Speaker 7 67.

Speaker 235 6'7, a mean kids can't get enough of and teachers can't get away from. We are not seeing the word 6-7 anymore.

Speaker 236 If you do, you have to write a 67-word essay.

Speaker 235 Some schools even banning the phrase in classrooms.

Speaker 209 You are no longer allowed to say, what number do you think I'm going to say?

Speaker 4 6-7.

Speaker 235 Caitlin Soriano is a seventh-grade math teacher.

Speaker 237 How much are you hearing and seeing six, seven in your classroom?

Speaker 5 Um, all day, every day.

Speaker 168 It is non-stop throughout my class, the hallways, the cafeterias.

Speaker 235 She says she banned the term last year after it became distracting for students.

Speaker 1 But last year, this has been going on for more than a year.

Speaker 24 It has been going on for a while.

Speaker 38 I think for since 2024, yeah.

Speaker 7 We're leaning in.

Speaker 168 And we hope that if it is embarrassing enough for the adults to be doing it, that maybe they stop.

Speaker 135 The trend took off a few months ago, but has re-intensified with school back in session.

Speaker 239 Thought to originate from a rap song by Skrilla.

Speaker 176 But the experts we spoke to say the numbers really don't mean anything.

Speaker 240 It's like slang

Speaker 240 to like make parents be like, what does that mean?

Speaker 107 Yeah, baby.

Speaker 235 It's just the latest example of slang through the years eat

Speaker 230 my

Speaker 152 shorts

Speaker 241 from the hippie generation where things were groovy and far out to the 90s where everyone was asking

Speaker 173 If you're wondering what the skibbity is going on and how all this brain rot is getting to us You're not Dolulu.

Speaker 88 It's all pretty Ohio.

Speaker 168 But the kids, they just want us to let them cook.

Speaker 235 As for parents, they're feeling the pain too. According to a recent study, 35% say they struggle to understand their kids' slang vocabulary.

Speaker 239 And 56% say their kids feel cringe when they try and use slang to communicate.

Speaker 237 Do you think that your mom and your dad or your teachers are getting a little annoyed of it?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 186 Yes.

Speaker 98 Is that going to stop you?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 27 So, and that's really the point.

Speaker 56 And there's an outro clip to this.

Speaker 124 But so

Speaker 111 the thing with this is it's being done specifically to annoy your parents.

Speaker 72 And that's different from any other slang that I can remember. I mean, we had all kinds of terms.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, the chat room is going to have to chime in on this. Because I'm trying to think, the point you're making here is that...
Is this a new phenomenon just to find a way to annoy parents?

Speaker 1 I mean, kids have always annoyed parents in all kinds of different ways by not doing stuff.

Speaker 1 You know, you didn't do this, you didn't do that,

Speaker 1 which annoys the parents.

Speaker 69 But this is a disrespectful annoyance.

Speaker 7 Do you heard those?

Speaker 1 I want to hear from the chat room.

Speaker 102 You mean the troll room? Yes.

Speaker 142 Well, what do you want to hear?

Speaker 175 I want to hear

Speaker 46 why.

Speaker 32 Why, how, has this ever happened before?

Speaker 1 Is there any other example?

Speaker 111 No, I don't think.

Speaker 146 Just think about your own, my own youth.

Speaker 1 i'm trying to think i can't come up with anything that's we never

Speaker 32 control room to help we never had anything that we purposely used to annoy our parents and parents if honestly i don't believe that's true if you said something to annoy your parents your mom would whoop you upside the head shut up

Speaker 161 That's my point.

Speaker 31 It's more the parents who should say, who shouldn't be, I don't understand what your cousin is.

Speaker 17 It's stop annoying me.

Speaker 21 Get out of my house.

Speaker 121 Here's 100 bucks. Run away from home.

Speaker 53 That's what I got.

Speaker 25 Here's $100.

Speaker 111 You can run away from home, but you can't come back.

Speaker 43 Is that what happened?

Speaker 25 Yeah, my mom actually did that.

Speaker 30 I'm running away from home.

Speaker 110 Have a little knapsack.

Speaker 125 Okay, well, here's $100.

Speaker 24 Knapsack?

Speaker 101 I had a knapsack. Yeah.

Speaker 14 I saw that they're drawing a knapsack on a stick over your shoulder.

Speaker 1 You brought this up before that you ran away from home.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 220 And then my mom gave me $100 and I walked down the street under the tree.

Speaker 153 I'm like, this sucks.

Speaker 21 I'm going back.

Speaker 51 This $100 is not going to do it for me.

Speaker 1 You should have gone back and said, I spent $100.

Speaker 138 So, I mean, we've had lots of terms, lots of slang, but this is, it appears specifically to mess with your teacher, mess with your parents.

Speaker 60 And I think

Speaker 7 parents, they need to stop this.

Speaker 41 Like, hey,

Speaker 1 stop annoying.

Speaker 1 I didn't even know this was going on, so I... have no thoughts on it, but I'll think about it.

Speaker 11 Well, here's the NBC today.

Speaker 1 I guess the troll room has come up with nothing.

Speaker 155 No, they got nothing.

Speaker 28 They got nothing.

Speaker 56 Here's the NBC Today show with all the slang they can think of from back in the day, but it's completely irrelevant to what this trend really is, which is to annoy your parents.

Speaker 161 And I think parents should just stop the children.

Speaker 79 So stop it.

Speaker 1 Maybe the kids aren't getting enough attention.

Speaker 16 Well, there you go.

Speaker 135 And by the way, it's not 67, of course, but this is 41.

Speaker 7 Do you know what that means? 41. What does that mean?

Speaker 135 That one I've heard started with the Rizzler and doesn't also make sense, but maybe Maybe you know.

Speaker 40 No, but you're exactly right.

Speaker 189 It is an adjective used to describe excess.

Speaker 233 I have an idea. What if we call 6'7 when adults kill a fun trend?

Speaker 98 Which is 6'7.

Speaker 7 Thank you, Suzanne.

Speaker 98 Okay, funny. 86.
That's 86.

Speaker 98 86.

Speaker 77 We 86. 6'7.

Speaker 7 6'6'7 is the new 86.

Speaker 189 Dylan's been trying to bring back.

Speaker 88 Calvin says he's heard kids say it in school.

Speaker 236 Russi called me me over yesterday. He's like, mom, can I have a kiss? And I go like all the way over to give him a kiss.
And he's like, psych.

Speaker 98 Oh, that's good.

Speaker 98 Well done.

Speaker 233 That's a good education he's getting. Yeah.

Speaker 239 So, you know, for what that's worth, let's bring that one back.

Speaker 21 Another one you slap your kid for.

Speaker 181 Don't do that.

Speaker 111 73s the new number.

Speaker 15 73s.

Speaker 16 I don't know.

Speaker 59 Something about this, the way it's, it bothers me.

Speaker 115 I don't know why.

Speaker 21 I don't have any kids.

Speaker 38 I need a grandkid to boss around.

Speaker 24 That's what I need.

Speaker 16 That would help me.

Speaker 1 Well, I like six threes.

Speaker 1 Six threes to rebelize your donation.

Speaker 1 And we are working on a challenge coin, so just to let you know.

Speaker 63 All right, so let's uh let's look at what Gen Z is doing around the world.

Speaker 60 Let's see how things are going in Peru.

Speaker 242 This vigil in Lima in Peru is for a 32-year-old demonstrator killed on Wednesday during anti-government Gen Z protests.

Speaker 105 People gathered at at the site where he died.

Speaker 242 A police officer was detained in relation to the shooting.

Speaker 174 They are killing us during the protests. They are taking away our rights and leaving us at the mercy of extortionists.
They are killing us, so we have to protest.

Speaker 169 We demand not only that these mafias stop destroying our country, but also that they stop justifying their criminal actions.

Speaker 242 The government on Friday suspended the Lima police chief over the protests.

Speaker 70 Anger centers on corruption and worsening crime.

Speaker 243 Tension persists despite the removal of the deeply unpopular President Dina Baloate earlier this month and her replacement with Congress Speaker Jose Heri.

Speaker 164 This is really quite a good regime change method.

Speaker 20 Just get some Gen Zers into the Discord, get them on the streets, and then have mayhem take place and blame it on Gen Z.

Speaker 56 So they already got rid of the the president, and so they brought in a replacement guy.

Speaker 58 Then we have Madagascar.

Speaker 215 The U.N.

Speaker 244 Secretary General Antonio Guterres has issued a strong condemnation of the recent unconstitutional change of government in Madagascar.

Speaker 244 He is now calling for an immediate restoration of constitutional order and respect for the rule of law in the country.

Speaker 244 In a statement delivered by UN spokesperson Sefan Dujarik, Guterres expresses backing of the African Union's decision to suspend Madagascar from all activities within the bloc.

Speaker 74 The Secretary General condemns the unconstitutional change of government power in Madagascar and calls for the return to constitutional order and the rule of law.

Speaker 11 I think it's amazing that some Gen Z protests are turning out this way and no one is seeing this.

Speaker 145 They're not seeing what's actually happening.

Speaker 117 This is regime change.

Speaker 100 Could be us.

Speaker 40 Could be the French. Could be us.
Could be the French.

Speaker 1 It could be the Nordic nexus.

Speaker 120 The North C Nexus.

Speaker 196 I mean, it could be a.

Speaker 1 The question is, who is it?

Speaker 117 I don't know, but it's.

Speaker 16 It's not happening here.

Speaker 84 No, it's happening.

Speaker 43 That points a finger at it is.

Speaker 117 That's a clue, and it's happening again after a brief pause in Morocco.

Speaker 218 After almost 10 days, young Moroccans resumed their protests in front of Parliament on Saturday.

Speaker 218 They're demanding government reform education and health care while tackling corruption and a cost-of-living crisis.

Speaker 218 This protest was organized to unify our ranks and coordinate our demonstrations and sends a message to the authorities.

Speaker 218 Even though we paused for more than 10 days, we are continuing and will continue until our demands are met, not not just in words but in reality.

Speaker 218 We want to see solutions that satisfy us and make us feel that our daily sacrifices are worthwhile.

Speaker 218 It was the first demonstration since King Mohammed VI addressed parliament 10 days ago, following weeks of unrest.

Speaker 218 But he didn't mention the Gen Z movement directly, and his call for job creation for young people and improving healthcare and education left many of the protesters unconvinced.

Speaker 232 Whether this movement will listen to this kid.

Speaker 142 So this is a Moroccan Gen Zero who sounds like he's been on American Discord for several years.

Speaker 232 Whether this movement will bear its fruits, I think it's very soon to tell.

Speaker 232 There will still be

Speaker 232 political

Speaker 232 changes that will come in the upcoming days. And up until then, we cannot really predict what's going to happen because

Speaker 232 in politics there are a lot of variables that enter in the equation and a lot of things can change.

Speaker 98 Whoa, you know.

Speaker 14 Whoa, he just went into straight-up Yank talk

Speaker 76 between

Speaker 232 two days, like, you know. So, I think that it's too soon to tell, to tell, but obviously,

Speaker 232 the youth are hopeful.

Speaker 218 Young people taking part in Saturday's protests say the movement has not lost momentum during the break, despite some reports to the contrary.

Speaker 49 I don't know, man.

Speaker 149 There is something afoot here with the Gen Z protests.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's definitely something. And it's and it's a scheme because it's just not one place.
And it's always, it's the same model. And it's being dumped here and there because it's a model that works.

Speaker 226 Yes.

Speaker 1 So that means there's something behind it.

Speaker 1 So it's either the CIA or one of our Intel people agencies or military intelligence. Who knows? I think it could be us, but it could be

Speaker 1 the international communist conspiracy. It could be a lot of different things.
We have to figure out who it is.

Speaker 56 Well, we have boots on the ground everywhere, so I'd love to see if we can get a little bit more on this.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we should be able to figure out who it is.

Speaker 51 Yeah.

Speaker 181 And why.

Speaker 60 Well, some of it's against BRICS.

Speaker 47 We know that.

Speaker 140 That's what.

Speaker 63 Wasn't Peru about BRICS?

Speaker 91 No.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I thought, I thought Peru was.

Speaker 1 Peru is an outlier, it seems to me.

Speaker 1 I don't see how Peru fits into it at all.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 although maybe, look at

Speaker 122 the robot.

Speaker 33 Nah, screw the robot.

Speaker 100 BPC

Speaker 66 BRICS Policy Center receives delegation from Peru.

Speaker 47 There's a lot of Peru and BRICS in the news.

Speaker 39 How about Madagascar?

Speaker 140 Let's see.

Speaker 165 Madagascar.

Speaker 36 Because that would be us.

Speaker 25 I mean, if that would be us.

Speaker 3 Yeah, let me see.

Speaker 12 Madagascar.

Speaker 1 And the fact that we can do this this well is

Speaker 1 it's a good sign.

Speaker 24 Yeah, let me see.

Speaker 39 Madagascar.

Speaker 28 I don't really see anything about Madagascar and BRICS.

Speaker 21 But it's all Africa, you know, so it's.

Speaker 145 Do we have interest in Africa?

Speaker 1 We're trying to take over the place. Well, then, that's us.
And move the Chinese out so we can get those minerals. Well, we need rare earths.

Speaker 1 Our technology requires because the little magnets, those little super powerful little magnets, require rare earth elements. Yeah.
A couple of them in particular.

Speaker 203 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we need them.

Speaker 1 We never needed them before, but we need them now big time.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 121 What else you got, John?

Speaker 165 I'm sure you have some interesting stuff for us.

Speaker 1 I got a little religious breakdown here because we like to talk about that. And this is part of it, I did one for the last show.
We've never played it, but this is different.

Speaker 1 This is about although we can also go light,

Speaker 1 we're going to talk about Taylor Swift

Speaker 1 and her marketing.

Speaker 217 Let's do NPR religion.

Speaker 11 Let's do NPR Religion first, then we'll go light with Taylor Swift.

Speaker 7 And Taylor Swift better be there.

Speaker 1 One or the other before the break, it seems to me.

Speaker 50 We got plenty of time before the break.

Speaker 63 We can do both.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go. Sociology of religion.
This is a

Speaker 1 sociologist. And I thought this was interesting because

Speaker 1 of the rationale for what's going on. He thinks that religion is.
This is different than the last report, which we never played. This

Speaker 1 guy says religion is becoming obsolete. Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 245 University of Notre Dame sociology professor Christian Smith has spent his career studying religion in the U.S.

Speaker 245 He has a new book titled Why Religion Went Obsolete: The Demise of Traditional Faith in America. Smith says that word obsolete doesn't necessarily mean religion is useless or lost.

Speaker 231 It's more about how religion is viewed across generations.

Speaker 246 By obsolete, I mean to focus more on a cultural realm, the cultural status of religion, not just, you know, how many people go to church or pray, but sort of traditional religion's role in the larger culture.

Speaker 247 And so the idea is just what we mean by obsolete. You know, traditional religion

Speaker 247 has just for most people been replaced or supplanted by other things that have come along.

Speaker 248 The image I use in the book is what PCs and laptops did to electric typewriters.

Speaker 18 People can still use obsolete things.

Speaker 248 I have college students that use electric typewriters, and I have CDs, and it's not that it's extinct, and it's not that the obsolete thing is worse than what replaced it.

Speaker 248 A lot of times, the obsolete thing is better, but just it's not as much referred to or practiced or easy to pull off than the thing that people are most into at any given time.

Speaker 24 Oh, interesting. Well,

Speaker 63 I take a little bit of,

Speaker 142 I think there's a lot of, when you say religion,

Speaker 22 I mean that to me doesn't mean Christianity.

Speaker 70 That can be Islam.

Speaker 22 That can be Buddhism. That can be

Speaker 70 all kinds of religion. And I would say.

Speaker 32 That's what he's. He would agree with that.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 119 So, and I would agree.

Speaker 1 Everyone he talks about Christianity. He's really more or less referring to the established sects, the churches, the Methodists versus the Presbyterians versus the Congress.

Speaker 211 Well, again, that to me is...

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's what he's all in on everything you say there.

Speaker 63 Okay.

Speaker 56 But my point was going to be that

Speaker 50 religion has only gotten more intense

Speaker 72 with climatism, scientism.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got that covered, too.

Speaker 14 Okay. So let's get to the crux of the matter.

Speaker 215 Why are people turning away from traditional religion?

Speaker 133 What did you find?

Speaker 247 Yeah, so my argument is that the causes of this are not recent, that they're complex, there are many.

Speaker 246 I use the image of a converging of perfect storms.

Speaker 248 There's a lot of technological factors,

Speaker 247 economic factors. And so, you know, religion has a smaller pool of a market, so to speak, to draw people from.

Speaker 247 So it's not a matter of, for the most part, sort of an atheist, scientific, rationalist rejection of religion.

Speaker 77 It's just a sort of a, nah, doesn't fit, doesn't work, I don't need it.

Speaker 245 Well, you say that 1991 was a crucial turning point. Why is that year so crucial?

Speaker 247 For starters, that was the year when the number of Americans in national surveys who said they were not religious started to rise.

Speaker 247 Prior to then, every survey, about 6 or 7% of Americans said they were not religious. 1991 was the first uptick, and it's been growing ever since for three decades.

Speaker 247 The end of the Cold War happened in 1991, and that was really consequential for America's self-image in the world, its mission and place place in the world.

Speaker 247 We used to be during the Cold War, even if people weren't religious, as a nation, we conceived of ourselves as the God-fearing, religious liberty nation fighting against the atheist communists.

Speaker 246 And after the end of the Cold War, it wasn't clear, like that evaporated, and it wasn't clear who we were, what our place in the world was, and the economy was changing.

Speaker 247 And so the American dream was starting to become less and less available.

Speaker 56 Hmm. Okay.
Well, that's just some stats.

Speaker 133 Okay.

Speaker 234 That's probably true.

Speaker 1 Well, then he comes up with a laundry list of changes that have taken place. And I'm just kind of an ask Adam here.
What's the one he leaves out? You'll see if you can spot it.

Speaker 1 But when he talks about the 90s starting in 91, we started to enter the Clinton era in 92.

Speaker 1 And it got full blown. This was the most prosperous period of time I've ever experienced in my life.

Speaker 72 In fact, didn't the religion in those early 90s, wasn't that greed is good?

Speaker 53 Wasn't that Wall Street?

Speaker 229 Wasn't that the religion?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know if

Speaker 1 that was the religion per se, but I do know that there was a lot of money flying and the American Dream was doing quite well for itself.

Speaker 1 So I think he's wrong about that.

Speaker 1 But then he goes through this laundry list of the changes. And

Speaker 1 there are these moments in time, 91 is a good time to put it. You could say 92, 90,

Speaker 1 that period of time, There was a massive big change that took place. But then he goes through the little laundry list here, and then he leaves one out.

Speaker 247 There was a growing sort of dissatisfaction with the standard American way of life and declining trust in political leaders. Lots of other cultural things happened in 1991.

Speaker 247 James Hunter published his book, Culture Wars, putting a name on the polarization that's happened ever since.

Speaker 246 Music changed.

Speaker 247 The era of 1980s big hair bands was liquidated by grunge and other movements. It's not that everything changed in 1991, but that that was a pivot year.
And over the next two decades,

Speaker 246 all of these profound changes in culture sort of worked their way out.

Speaker 56 You mean Monica Lewinsky Bill Clinton?

Speaker 1 What did he leave out of that list? It's a little list, but it's not long. But he never, in his whole presentation, that's the last clip I have.
He goes on about some other stuff here.

Speaker 1 That's quite interesting. It's a very very good piece.

Speaker 131 The internet.

Speaker 100 Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 He never mentions the internet.

Speaker 1 91 isn't when the browser came out, but in 91, we were talking about the internet a lot because there was when Gopher and your buddy, yeah, Gopher, and all these other things were out there, and people were talking about the

Speaker 1 internet.

Speaker 1 And everyone, we all had internet email addresses. You got them one way or another.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the internet is what really happened in 1991.

Speaker 1 And it just exploded with the web, which was the, you know,

Speaker 1 there was that period between 91 and 93 where people kept, if you remember, and you do, that period of time where people said, oh, oh, that web is not the internet.

Speaker 81 That's the web.

Speaker 1 The web is there. The internet is this and the web is that.
They had to differentiate between the internet and the web. And the web.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And everybody went and made a big fuss about that, that differentiation.

Speaker 1 And that differentiation disappeared completely. We don't, No one has used

Speaker 1 that comment.

Speaker 120 Oh, but in fact, no one even knows what the web is anymore.

Speaker 7 And that's just.

Speaker 63 Just open your browser. What?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's

Speaker 7 Safari.

Speaker 16 Oh, okay.

Speaker 90 Now I have duck, duck, go.

Speaker 1 So I would say that the internet

Speaker 1 became the religion.

Speaker 1 He never gets into, never mentions that once, and he goes on and on, and he talks about this third thing that took place, which is spiritualism, which is kind of not religion, but it's like everyone still has to be have a spiritual angle and it brings in all kinds of problems.

Speaker 24 I've actually seen, that's a good point.

Speaker 56 I've actually seen surveys that show that more and more Americans are saying they are, quote, spiritual.

Speaker 21 And I certainly think that the American church is definitely breaking apart.

Speaker 19 We're seeing huge splits in churches, certainly with the traditional,

Speaker 21 you know, like Methodist, Protestant.

Speaker 1 Well, he goes on. I could have clipped his 10 clips from this.

Speaker 56 I'm sure you presentation.

Speaker 1 He goes on about exactly what you say and says that the problem with these churches is they have not fundamentally.

Speaker 1 That's why I think it's interesting that your church has a number of little factoids that it pulls off that

Speaker 1 I think which will create a revivalism, I think, which is the socialization thing. Yes.
Which is a lot of churches become social.

Speaker 1 And I came up with this thinking about this because I did a hit on Chanel's show on Friday.

Speaker 91 Oh, I missed it.

Speaker 7 A hit, a Chanel hit.

Speaker 1 And she, she, she was, this discussion was about this country and western guy who's a bit who's a left-winger. And how about country and western is, you know, they're trying to move in on it.

Speaker 1 But she said, she made the comment that there was a large,

Speaker 1 the country and western music is the largest genre that's growing the fastest and asked me if I had any idea of why this might be.

Speaker 1 And I said, maybe it's because Country and Western at least has to do with relationships and, you know, boys and girls, and

Speaker 1 the idea that you can, you know, there's love songs within the Country and Western genre as opposed to shooting somebody or bitching about immigration status in a song.

Speaker 1 And so you end up with this kind of the the need for socialization.

Speaker 1 And I think the churches that do well are are the ones that are pushing that part of it they have their message but they can but the but the idea that kids in particular young ones the zeds they you know they haven't been they don't have they was a big story that was going around all this last week on the mainstream media about one of the high schools that canceled all their dances

Speaker 1 it's insane because nobody was going to go to the dances and it's like that brings back my old point about the sock hop and

Speaker 1 so i think churches have their opportunity to help kids socialize because

Speaker 1 it is a

Speaker 1 place where you can meet people.

Speaker 60 And

Speaker 30 I will say that more, so yes,

Speaker 111 non-denominational churches I think are doing quite well.

Speaker 72 And they're growing. And they also have very young pastors.

Speaker 48 When I say young, I mean 40s.

Speaker 48 And it's a very different breed, a very different genre.

Speaker 20 And the music is actually much closer to country and western.

Speaker 119 It's all Nashville.

Speaker 20 All of the Christian contemporary music comes out of Nashville now.

Speaker 63 And they're, you know, they're

Speaker 48 Ann Wilson, traditional country artist, boom, moves right over to Christian contemporary jellyroll.

Speaker 23 You know, this, this guy is the furthest thing from Christian contemporary music.

Speaker 120 Has a number one hit with Brandon Lake.

Speaker 124 Never heard of any of these.

Speaker 27 No, I know you haven't.

Speaker 52 But in the legendary words of Lonnie Frisbee, there's a whole generation out there just looking for God, man.

Speaker 1 That they're looking to meet a girl.

Speaker 15 And that, too.

Speaker 56 I mean, we have the Catalyst group on Wednesday nights, and I actually go in Wednesday to help these.

Speaker 115 There's two kids.

Speaker 61 They're 14 and 16.

Speaker 65 They're doing a podcast.

Speaker 20 So I set them up.

Speaker 62 And the church is actually building podcast studios and everything.

Speaker 1 You don't do the newsletter on Wednesdays.

Speaker 80 Sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 84 Sometimes. No,

Speaker 16 during the day.

Speaker 24 I don't know.

Speaker 121 I might have been doing something.

Speaker 72 No, I was in Austin last Wednesday.

Speaker 56 And I did it on Wednesday. What are you talking about? I did it in the car.

Speaker 181 I pulled over to check the newsletter.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 62 I pulled over to, this is my dedication to the show.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 126 they have Wednesday nights, and the kids are playing music.

Speaker 36 They got a band,

Speaker 25 and they are socializing. So, yeah.

Speaker 120 Yeah.

Speaker 145 And I think that is on the upside.

Speaker 1 You used to socialize when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 Oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 Everything was socialized. I mean, they had parties on the weekends.
We had community centers. We had schools that taught you how to do dances, whether you liked it or not.

Speaker 1 They had sock hops and dances and proms and one thing. There was a socialization thing that was extremely important.
It's been lost to gender studies. Yeah.

Speaker 80 Well, it's coming back. And all these churches.

Speaker 1 No, it's not.

Speaker 125 Yes, it is. All these.
Not in the schools.

Speaker 121 No, not in the schools. But you know what?

Speaker 133 And you know how many churches are now starting schools?

Speaker 119 It's an enormous amount.

Speaker 158 They're starting schools as affiliated with the church, starting in the church.

Speaker 121 Many of them now have buildings with hundreds of students.

Speaker 121 And it's an outgrowth of the homeschool movement.

Speaker 56 Yeah, no, there's change. But

Speaker 115 all of these non-denominational churches, they're all pushing culture.

Speaker 30 You know, and

Speaker 133 actually, funny enough, the seven mountain mandate is how you could look at it, which is, you know, I don't think anyone's really part of the new apostolic reformation, the way NPR might categorize it.

Speaker 36 But they are saying, you know, hey, you know, look, this is our country.

Speaker 65 And if we don't have God in our country, then our country is going to fall apart.

Speaker 155 And that's not a new message.

Speaker 63 That's an old, very, very old message, about 250 years old.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Taylor Swift.

Speaker 16 Speaking of the devil,

Speaker 121 let's bring in Beelzebub herself.

Speaker 1 Now, I didn't know this was going on, and I didn't realize it's been going on for a while.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't realize that her last album, the showgirls album, was she has 39 versions of it.

Speaker 56 No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 63 I totally.

Speaker 21 Look, I'm giving you license here because 15 years, no, maybe it wasn't 15, I don't know how 10 years ago you identified Taylor Swift out of the game.

Speaker 81 No, it was longer than that.

Speaker 1 It was about 15, 16 years ago.

Speaker 121 You identified her right out of the gate with her noodling, and you were like, there's something up with this girl.

Speaker 72 And I remember it's so long ago andrew grummett was still hanging around although andrew grummett is part of podcasting 2.0 now and his daughter was all into taylor swift and you are so i give you license on the taylor swift beat but no john i did not know she has 39 versions of the album

Speaker 1 this is on this presentation which was on npr

Speaker 1 is one of the kind of lunatic presentations where they bring in these goofballs and they're yucking it up constantly. But they do bring out some marketing.

Speaker 1 Taylor Swift, to me, is a marketing genius, and that's where she really stands in the world.

Speaker 7 Well, somebody is.

Speaker 115 She or somebody.

Speaker 1 I think it's her. I always, you know, I thought it was her dad.
I think her dad taught her well. I think she's the one that's doing it all.
But here she goes.

Speaker 167 As of this recording, there are 38 variants of Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of a Showgirl. But are all these variants fan service or fan exploitation?

Speaker 167 We're getting into it with stephen thompson host for npr music at pop culture happy hour and ann powers npr music critic and correspondent and stephen welcome to the show thank you so much for having us because you know it's i'm sorry what is this show is this on the radio is this only a podcast

Speaker 46 what is it

Speaker 126 was this on the radio

Speaker 94 yeah it's tailor season i feel like every season is tailor season when you are the main character in our lives every season belongs to you taylor is the climate crisis of popular music.

Speaker 82 She's also the actual climate crisis with how much she uses that private jet.

Speaker 9 My gloves are off already.

Speaker 16 I love it.

Speaker 82 My gloves are always off when it comes to Taylor's wife.

Speaker 167 All right, but Stephen, and can you name any of the different variants?

Speaker 94 So there's one that's like, that's Showbiz, Baby Edition.

Speaker 7 Very close.

Speaker 167 You're thinking of the Baby That's Show Business vinyl collection. And I'll give you some of the other names.

Speaker 167 There was the Deluxe So Punk on the Internet digital version the sweat and vanilla perfume portofino orange glitter all one title vial version and also the alone in my tower acoustic cd version that's just a few like i said there's 38 right 27 physical 11 digital right now there's a couple ways to look at this

Speaker 167 You could call all of these collectible variants, as some have said, exploitative or manipulative. Maybe for rabbit fans, you know, they can't not buy all this.

Speaker 167 On the other hand, you could call this fan service because Taylor Swift is not forcing anyone to buy her music. Her fans, of their own volition, are the ones putting in their credit card information.

Speaker 167 Plus, you know, a lot of fans are collectors and like having special violet sparkle or blue shimmer vinyls. You know, buying a vinyl also could be a good investment.

Speaker 114 Can we go back to the church talk?

Speaker 1 No, this better get good.

Speaker 1 This is good. You're listening to a marketing genius at work and what they're doing.
And the thing about these,

Speaker 1 she has an audience that is buying 38 copies of the exact same product.

Speaker 1 And they're not buying one or two. They're buying all of them.

Speaker 65 And it's just different packaging.

Speaker 72 It's the same songs, but different.

Speaker 1 No, they have like different colored vinyl. There's different names on each album.

Speaker 131 Packaging. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 111 Different packaging.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know what you were thinking, which is like, well, maybe there's some bonus clips on there. Or maybe there's a different version of the song.

Speaker 152 Some analysis.

Speaker 121 Let's do that too.

Speaker 156 Some outtakes or, you know,

Speaker 60 studio floor stuff.

Speaker 24 No, none of that. No.

Speaker 1 No, it's just different packaging and each one being a quote-unquote collectible. And of course, it turns out that they are because of the, you know, it's like anything else that's a collectible.

Speaker 1 Is there a market for it?

Speaker 32 Are they is it getting bid up?

Speaker 1 Well, let's listen to part clip two here.

Speaker 167 One of our producers has a rare Swift vinyl that is currently selling for upwards of 1 000 online

Speaker 167 right so before the swifties come for me i know that

Speaker 167 taylor swift is not the only one releasing all these album variants i mean for example travis scott and follow up boy they each released 31 physical variants of their 2023 albums but i will say taylor swift gets the most attention for this business tactic why do you think she's the one who's seen as preying on her fans?

Speaker 94 Well, I think part of it is that is the downside of being the biggest, right?

Speaker 94 And being the main character in our lives makes her a very rich and juicy target. So it's easy to kind of single her out as an emblem of the problem.

Speaker 94 But Brittany, like you said, there are many, many, many stars in pop, hip-hop, RB, K-pop, my God, where this is just standard operating procedure.

Speaker 78 Yeah, I have to add, let's think about Taylor Swift not as our bestie right now, but as a product. And I want us to think beyond music because other products are sold in exactly the same way.

Speaker 78 And I'm specifically thinking about my daughter's favorite soda, Mountain Dew.

Speaker 78 My daughter loves Mountain Dew and she has to have every new flavor. And she knows, which I didn't know, that there are certain flavors that are only sold through Taco Bell or only sold at Walmart.

Speaker 78 And there's infinite varieties of basically sugar water, right?

Speaker 78 So this is marketing beyond pop music. But because Taylor is also an artist and has been so insistent on being an artist, to view her as a product feels somehow offensive,

Speaker 78 bringing up the other side of this issue, which is, is the music worth this fetishization?

Speaker 78 And there's been a lot of debate, and I would say, even though I still think this album is more enjoyable and think it will last longer than some people do.

Speaker 78 But the commentary I've seen, it's really like, well, there's 38 variations and also the music is terrible.

Speaker 65 Well, so this is not entirely new.

Speaker 149 We've had picture discs.

Speaker 143 We've had all kinds of marketing packaging differences for many artists throughout the ages.

Speaker 164 It really is also

Speaker 55 the only way you can make money.

Speaker 140 I mean, yeah, she gets a lot of the Spotify money just by default, but really you want people buying packages.

Speaker 24 You want them buying products.

Speaker 64 And that's any different from beanie babies or cabbage patch dolls or anything like that?

Speaker 7 Of course not.

Speaker 134 No.

Speaker 1 But there's a little gotcha in here in the last clip, which is the

Speaker 1 little interesting thing about this: if you're like, she brings out 38 copies of the same album and you're a collector, you're some nutball, and you drop it.

Speaker 7 I don't know anyone like that.

Speaker 1 I would be shocked if you did. I know, but there are people that are out there.

Speaker 51 The Swifties,

Speaker 1 Comey, for example,

Speaker 1 Justin Trudeau. He went to her concert.
Yeah. And

Speaker 7 that's because they like younger people.

Speaker 1 Say you buy 10 or 20 of these things.

Speaker 1 Billboard says that's 20 sales. It helps you get to number one.

Speaker 81 It's bull crap.

Speaker 102 Yeah.

Speaker 47 Does that really matter anymore that you're a number one on a chart?

Speaker 1 It doesn't in the industry. It doesn't to us.

Speaker 66 I don't think it makes a difference to any.

Speaker 159 I don't think the kids care anymore.

Speaker 46 The kids.

Speaker 1 I don't think the kids ever cared.

Speaker 81 When I was a kid, I never.

Speaker 1 I'm 16. I bought some 45s

Speaker 3 during the day.

Speaker 40 No, no.

Speaker 1 I didn't care what Billboard had to say.

Speaker 146 No, the way the industry used to work with radio, when radio was the predominant distribution mechanism instead of Spotify or Apple Music or Amazon or whatever you're using, it was important because the higher up you are in the chart, the the more you got into rotation on the radio stations.

Speaker 7 That's all that it was about.

Speaker 194 I don't think any kid really cared that it was number one.

Speaker 51 It was all about radio rotation.

Speaker 56 That's an industry I happen to know about.

Speaker 1 Yes. Well, there's still, they still, Billboard has not gone out of business.

Speaker 105 Barely.

Speaker 50 They're hanging on by their fingernails.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 14 well, why are they in business?

Speaker 1 There's a question since you know that much about it.

Speaker 81 What's keeping them alive and why?

Speaker 7 Well, I don't know. There's got to be somebody else.
I I don't know if they're alive.

Speaker 90 Well, during this clip, I'll look it up and I'll tell you if they really are in existence.

Speaker 78 As opposed to, I guess, if there had been 38 versions of folklore.

Speaker 122 Right. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 78 And then all the critics would be like, oh, yes, oh, please give us the, you know, flower press version that has the dried unicorn blood. I will pay for that because the music is so exquisite.

Speaker 167 Also, there were variants on folklore, but only 20 variants as far as I can tell.

Speaker 167 Now, let's not forget that Taylor, you know, has been a best-selling artist for nearly two decades, and her efforts to sell physical albums go way back to like the beginning of her career.

Speaker 167 There was, for example, her partnership with Papa John's for her 2012 album, Red, where I mean, this is a good deal, mind you, for $22,

Speaker 167 you could buy a pizza and Taylor's new album and have them delivered to you.

Speaker 167 Just a side note, just a side note, those Papa John's boxes were printed with Taylor's album cover on them. And you can buy one of those cardboard pizza boxes for $513

Speaker 167 on eBay right now.

Speaker 196 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 167 So I wonder, what's different now? Like, why is this grinding everybody's gears?

Speaker 78 I think it's just proxy rage.

Speaker 88 Say more, please.

Speaker 78 People are very mad in general right now about everything.

Speaker 78 And

Speaker 78 Taylor Swift is, she enters into this conversation with an album full of songs that are flaunting her material success, her partnership with an equally wealthy.

Speaker 78 Okay, not equally fair. Okay.

Speaker 167 They both clear a certain boss of mega wealth.

Speaker 78 Yeah. With a wealthy guy.

Speaker 167 I will say she is also a billionaire.

Speaker 78 So here comes a billionaire in a feather boa. It just drives everybody crazy.

Speaker 114 I'd forgotten about this.

Speaker 96 Penske bought it

Speaker 47 five years ago. Penske Media.

Speaker 165 It's like a vanity ownership. Oh, I got billboard not going to hang out with Taylor Swift.

Speaker 16 That could be.

Speaker 56 It's not a very valuable property.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 72 I think what's more interesting with Taylor Swift is that, yeah,

Speaker 48 you need to be a real person.

Speaker 114 My buddy Vic

Speaker 66 with his wife, Chris, they stayed over for the weekend.

Speaker 21 They're from Dallas, and he used to be in the music business,

Speaker 66 wrote and produced with all the Jersey Shore guys, all the hair bands, Alice Cooper.

Speaker 160 And

Speaker 72 he's now doing, just for fun, he's doing music on

Speaker 12 Suno.

Speaker 111 And he says, you know, everything has changed.

Speaker 19 Now

Speaker 67 everybody can make any kind of song.

Speaker 72 And he gave me, he had created his own Taylor Swift.

Speaker 48 You know, with, it was a great title, You're My Next Last Boyfriend.

Speaker 180 You know, I wish he had left.

Speaker 7 It was fantastic.

Speaker 164 He created the look, everything.

Speaker 111 He said, this is the only thing that's missing is an actual,

Speaker 126 I forget what name he chose for her, but the actual physical person.

Speaker 211 And I think

Speaker 67 we're not far away from going back to kind of the days of the early 80s, Milly Vanilli.

Speaker 103 where you just have a song.

Speaker 87 As long as you can attach a human being to it, you can have a Taylor Swift type experience of fame and kids going nuts for him.

Speaker 10 And I have to say,

Speaker 1 for all the things I don't like about AI, I think we should just go full bore.

Speaker 63 Just flood the song.

Speaker 122 Oh, brother.

Speaker 145 Yeah, flood the.

Speaker 185 I want as much AI end-of-show mixes.

Speaker 126 I want our musical.

Speaker 12 I mean, come on. I'm actually.

Speaker 1 You already got the art.

Speaker 112 Yeah. Well, yeah, but I want people.

Speaker 81 And I've got the end-of-show, the end-of-show

Speaker 1 blurbs. Blurbs.
Or half of those are AI.

Speaker 16 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 Well, but those are just annoying.

Speaker 60 But I'm talking about, like, I want the real songs.

Speaker 1 Right, because I'm doing it.

Speaker 132 You heard that, everyone, right?

Speaker 7 I'm mean.

Speaker 160 I'm mean.

Speaker 105 No,

Speaker 16 I want some songs.

Speaker 14 I want some real songs.

Speaker 95 Let's do it.

Speaker 111 And you know what the great thing is about these songs?

Speaker 7 None of them are.

Speaker 1 You disparage Nico Sym, who is our great songwriter that was doing this. He stopped.
No, I didn't.

Speaker 128 I played him.

Speaker 7 What are you talking about?

Speaker 111 I didn't disparage him at all.

Speaker 128 I played them because he's actually good.

Speaker 1 He is good.

Speaker 198 Yeah.

Speaker 122 So, but I want more of them.

Speaker 70 The best thing about all these songs is that you can play them on a podcast because they're not registered with ASCAP BMI.

Speaker 65 There's no physical licensing required.

Speaker 1 He just

Speaker 40 could do a

Speaker 166 music show with all AI music and it would probably be pretty good.

Speaker 126 But no one's registered.

Speaker 62 No one even knows what to do.

Speaker 1 Do we need an ASCAP for AI? AI ASCAP.

Speaker 134 No, we need to do it.

Speaker 7 AI SCAP.

Speaker 10 ASCAP.

Speaker 152 Let's do AI Scap.

Speaker 157 AI scap.

Speaker 27 No, not at all.

Speaker 95 This is the great thing.

Speaker 32 That's an exit strategy. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 Oh, please.

Speaker 7 Exit strategy.

Speaker 153 No.

Speaker 47 I want all kinds of great songs, but they have to be short.

Speaker 96 Make them a minute, a minute and a half.

Speaker 161 That shows the true professional prompter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you can keep them short, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 And then I can publish a schedule that like the AI says, oh, songs should be 2.2 minutes.

Speaker 72 There are people who know how to do it.

Speaker 20 They know how to do this stuff now.

Speaker 65 They're figuring it out.

Speaker 145 It's, and it's, I'm okay with it.

Speaker 185 And then maybe, you know, we, here's the exit strategy.

Speaker 56 We pick one of these songs that's really good, you know, like a Nico Syme toe-tapper.

Speaker 156 And then we find some teenage girl to lip-sync, and then we create a star out of her.

Speaker 60 We could be the new hit makers.

Speaker 60 Because that's all you need to do.

Speaker 127 You just need to attach a human being to it.

Speaker 24 And then, boom, you fill up the stadium.

Speaker 1 It's just that easy.

Speaker 132 It's that easy.

Speaker 99 And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.

Speaker 227 Say in the morning to you, the man who put three C's in the church sock hop.

Speaker 128 Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr.

Speaker 98 John C.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
In the morning, ships of sea, boots on the ground, feed the animals, snaps in the water, and all the names are nice out there.

Speaker 217 Yeah, in the morning to the whoa, good morning to the trolls in the troll room.

Speaker 7 There we go. Let's start with the map.

Speaker 203 1865 at the peak.

Speaker 28 Okay, 1865.

Speaker 16 These trolls are in the troll room.

Speaker 162 You can find them at noagendastream.com.

Speaker 84 Or you can listen to them on,

Speaker 66 you can join them, I should say, listening live in a modern podcast.

Speaker 190 I've got an email this morning from someone who said, Hey, man, Apple and Spotify aren't uploading your podcast anymore.

Speaker 180 I sent it on to you. Yes.

Speaker 180 They sent it to me.

Speaker 1 I don't know why people send me this stuff. It's not my job.

Speaker 142 Well, so first of all, we are not on Spotify.

Speaker 2 No, we never have been.

Speaker 126 No, because we will not send it on.

Speaker 116 So why would you think we, why does anyone think we were?

Speaker 114 Well, that's why it's kind of problematic.

Speaker 157 And then, you know, I go look at Apple Podcasts, and yeah, we're there.

Speaker 151 Our latest episode is there.

Speaker 220 But I think the problem is.

Speaker 139 that people are still in these legacy apps and then they see it show up on no agenda show and like,

Speaker 80 you forgot to upload it to Apple Podcasts, which is not how it works.

Speaker 49 Okay, I don't expect you to understand how it works.

Speaker 191 But that's just the legacy apps.

Speaker 59 That's the legacy system.

Speaker 102 You want to get out of that.

Speaker 24 You want to get a modern podcast app.

Speaker 26 And even Pocketcasts,

Speaker 15 I think they, I believe they, I don't know if they use Podping.

Speaker 103 Because someone says, hey, man, it's two hours late on Pocketcast.

Speaker 72 Well, that's because Pocketcasts may not use Podping.

Speaker 111 You can go to podcastapps.com.

Speaker 65 You can see exactly who uses podping, and that's the one you want to use.

Speaker 11 What was that URL again?

Speaker 87 Podcastapps.com.

Speaker 46 Plural, podcastapps.com.

Speaker 165 That's what you want to do.

Speaker 215 So we've been talking about AI, of course, even though it's not a huge lift anymore.

Speaker 138 It still does take actual creativity.

Speaker 115 and humor to be able to create something that is worthy of becoming the show art for the No No Agenda podcast.

Speaker 66 And I'd say 90%

Speaker 65 aren't able to do it, which it's okay because it just clutters everything up and it's hard to, you know, you just have to look through more submissions, which I quite enjoy because we go, oh man, I could get something to complain about.

Speaker 229 But if you have it in you, if you have the

Speaker 65 humor and it's all human element and you can translate that through your prompt, you can create something that will will be quite good.

Speaker 114 And I'm just, I'm pulling back from the generative AI.

Speaker 65 I'm okay with it.

Speaker 72 Flood the zone.

Speaker 48 I hope it stays alive. I hope it stays cheap.

Speaker 56 I don't know if it will.

Speaker 20 I don't know how any of it's possible for these prices.

Speaker 82 But okay.

Speaker 1 He backed off from his position. Did you notice that, ladies and gentlemen?

Speaker 65 No, I still think it's going to kill our young people with their chat bots.

Speaker 126 And I don't think it's proven any worthiness in

Speaker 96 industry or in business, except for call centers.

Speaker 1 I can see that harmful is the word you're looking for.

Speaker 64 Yeah, otherwise it's harmful and it's costing way too much money, but it's okay.

Speaker 111 We've been through these things before. What was it before this?

Speaker 50 Machine learning.

Speaker 65 Then it was cloud and then it was Internet of Things.

Speaker 101 It's just another passing.

Speaker 27 And we'll have Quantum coming up soon.

Speaker 63 So just another thing.

Speaker 92 Client server.

Speaker 24 Client server.

Speaker 83 So congratulations, the Comic Strip blogger.

Speaker 161 He prompted it properly and brought us No Agenda.

Speaker 226 The Musical is the artwork.

Speaker 70 A lot of people did no agenda to the musical.

Speaker 62 Somehow, he just got the right element of hokey-looking dorks.

Speaker 48 He had absolutely the right no agenda in lights, no agenda, the musical.

Speaker 174 It was perfect.

Speaker 32 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he took about 10 stabs at it.

Speaker 63 Oh, he did? Oh, yeah, he did.

Speaker 20 He had a whole bunch of different ones.

Speaker 28 He did.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he was going for it. He was swinging for the fences.
He was. He was.
And

Speaker 1 so he ended up hitting a homer. That's what happens if you keep swaying for the fences.
The earlier version of the particular one that he picked is way down at the bottom.

Speaker 1 There's a version called Just Musical. I think this is his first attempt, and it's terrible.

Speaker 203 Let me see.

Speaker 28 Just musical. I'm looking for it now.

Speaker 25 I don't see it.

Speaker 1 It's next to Trump piece.

Speaker 159 We also had a lot of people doing 78s, which was,

Speaker 160 I mean,

Speaker 1 I think a lot of.

Speaker 1 It's eight rows down if you're for across.

Speaker 21 No, I am four across.

Speaker 28 Let me see.

Speaker 46 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

Speaker 28 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 226 Oh, no, no, no. Well, you're right.

Speaker 159 So he kept stabbing at it, and he came up with one that worked.

Speaker 16 And we liked it.

Speaker 71 Let's see.

Speaker 140 What else?

Speaker 101 Did we consider anything else?

Speaker 66 Kind of thought Nancy Pelosi strung out as a drunk was funny, but we're not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we thought that was funny. That was the right one to mention that.

Speaker 20 We're never never going to use it, but we'll never use that. We won't use it.

Speaker 25 No, of course not.

Speaker 1 But that was a funny piece.

Speaker 7 Looked great.

Speaker 211 I mean, that's good prompting.

Speaker 56 We had several No Agenda the Musicals.

Speaker 194 No, nothing there. Jeffrey Rhea.

Speaker 64 A lot of people tried the protein powder.

Speaker 65 I think we did waiver a little bit on Nestworks' protein chips, or at least I did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you liked it. I was a well, I really saw the comic strip blogger piece early, and I I liked it a lot.

Speaker 203 It was a good piece.

Speaker 20 Yeah, it was a good piece.

Speaker 22 And Scaramanga keeps threatening that he's going to do some video.

Speaker 20 I haven't seen it yet, but I'm all in.

Speaker 105 And where's our Sora 2 musical stuff? I mean, people should be all over this.

Speaker 16 Now that I'm opened up, I'm ready.

Speaker 115 I'm going to promote this.

Speaker 72 I want tons of songs.

Speaker 220 We're going to publish the songs.

Speaker 59 We'll become a publisher of AI songs.

Speaker 121 Because normally we don't do that.

Speaker 133 We don't put the songs in the show notes because that is actually an issue.

Speaker 66 Well, particularly if

Speaker 157 you're using copyrighted work, we can play spoofs and copy of copyrighted work and parodies is the actual term within context of the show.

Speaker 159 I can defend that under fair use.

Speaker 65 If you start publishing that separately, that's a huge problem.

Speaker 56 So that's why people always ask, why don't you publish end of show mix?

Speaker 96 Well, for that reason.

Speaker 87 Now, if you're sending me AI stuff, we're going to start highlighting you.

Speaker 211 We're going to put you front and center in the show notes.

Speaker 56 We're going to, we're going to, it'll be no agenda records.

Speaker 121 No agenda music publishing.

Speaker 10 How about

Speaker 29 NAP? 10 A NAMP.

Speaker 121 No Agenda Music Publishing.

Speaker 56 NAMP.

Speaker 68 NAMP.

Speaker 140 So catchy.

Speaker 226 So

Speaker 48 we will promote you.

Speaker 115 We will promote you.

Speaker 17 And then, you know, maybe we'll find someone.

Speaker 95 One of our producers has a kid.

Speaker 103 Teach the kid how to lip sync.

Speaker 31 We'll make your kid a star.

Speaker 203 It's going to be fabulous.

Speaker 114 So thank you, Comics or Blogger, and congratulations.

Speaker 80 You hadn't had a win for a while.

Speaker 65 And he's been prompting for many, many, many episodes. And he finally made it.

Speaker 211 Of course, we've been running value for value.

Speaker 112 It'll be 18 years coming up in

Speaker 84 a week.

Speaker 177 Next Sunday.

Speaker 48 18 years of your No Agenda Show.

Speaker 52 We will be celebrating.

Speaker 20 We hope you join us for that.

Speaker 17 And we've been doing value for value for those 18 years, which means we give you the show right up front, open and available.

Speaker 56 There's no

Speaker 7 levels or subscriptions or anything you got to jump around.

Speaker 60 You just listen to it.

Speaker 14 You subscribe to it.

Speaker 121 You listen to it. And if you feel

Speaker 1 secret,

Speaker 185 no bonus content,

Speaker 16 nothing behind the paywall.

Speaker 122 Oh, none of that.

Speaker 56 feel that you've received value from the show, such as that fabulous Taylor Swift segment or the Africa news, all things I know we're grabbing someone's attention with that somewhere.

Speaker 119 If you're that one someone saying, you know, I never would have known about the Gen Z

Speaker 118 takeover, the Gen Z revolution, the color revolution of the Gen Zers across Africa, then send us some value back, noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 114 It's that easy.

Speaker 111 We always thank everyone who supports us.

Speaker 48 $50 and above for each episode.

Speaker 52 It doesn't matter how much you send, as long as it's value to you, it's equal to the value you received.

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Speaker 51 different types of numbers that are meaningful to you or to your group or your crowd or whatever. We love it all.

Speaker 126 And if you're fortunate enough to support us with $200 or more, we not only will read your note that you send us, but we'll also give you the official show business title of Associate Executive Producer.

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Speaker 83 And we kick it off with Dame Sandcat.

Speaker 122 She's from Pokemon. Hold on a second.
What?

Speaker 1 so i'm thinking about the z thing you mentioned is it possible that the moroccan thing was the first right i believe so yeah and that we can't associate that with bricks is it possible that the moroccan thing was actually organic

Speaker 1 and they said look at what is happening here we can mod we can use that as the model

Speaker 64 I don't know because they stopped for 10 days and they started up again.

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe the first round was organic and they started it up again to see if they could

Speaker 1 start it up again just to prove that the model works.

Speaker 121 Well, you can know one thing.

Speaker 20 Your no-agenda show is on top of it.

Speaker 80 We are watching Africa

Speaker 107 because no one else will.

Speaker 16 We're watching Africa.

Speaker 10 Dame Sandcat from Perump, Nevada.

Speaker 122 Perump. Perump.

Speaker 128 515.38,

Speaker 211 which I'm sure is $500 with $15.38.

Speaker 18 By the way, did you see?

Speaker 234 I thought this was a scandal.

Speaker 56 Did you see what GoFundMe did that they've now been that they admitted to have done?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 64 They started over a million GoFundMe pages for nonprofits who didn't sign up.

Speaker 165 The nonprofits, they just got all the information from IRS, from the PayPal giving databases.

Speaker 40 So if you have a non-profit, there's a high likelihood that GoFundMe has a GoFundMe page for you.

Speaker 103 Now, I think they do actually send the money to you, but you know, when you go on GoFundMe, you don't know that.

Speaker 120 Well, I've heard no one saying that they haven't received the money from GoFundMe.

Speaker 95 The exception people take to it is these guys they suggest a tip for GoFundMe of 16%.

Speaker 122 Wow.

Speaker 108 and it's like it's like one of those pre-check jobs like hey you know just go ahead and help us out and so we can continue to grow

Speaker 39 yeah I think this is a huge violation somehow you can't just do that but they did it yeah no

Speaker 124 so

Speaker 1 opt-in as long as it's opt-in what do you mean opt-in they just opted everybody in

Speaker 1 I thought you said there's a thing you had to check.

Speaker 95 No, but forget if there's a check or not. They just decided to go fundraising.

Speaker 1 No, No, I'm not talking about the opt-in for the donation recipient. I'm talking about the opt-in for the 16%.

Speaker 7 Well, let me take a look.

Speaker 149 Let me see.

Speaker 20 Let me just go to a Rando GoFundMe.

Speaker 91 Rando.

Speaker 114 RandoGoFundMe.com.

Speaker 111 Okay. I'll just select one.

Speaker 53 Don't they have,

Speaker 28 don't they highlight one somewhere?

Speaker 47 Dear, please help Stevens family.

Speaker 70 Okay.

Speaker 63 So we'll go there.

Speaker 21 I'm going to hit donate now

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 22 suggested amount.

Speaker 65 So I'll do 200 bucks.

Speaker 70 Not really going to do it.

Speaker 144 Oh, right off the bat, add $30 to be in the top 5% of donors.

Speaker 131 Wow.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, there it is.

Speaker 161 Custom tip 16.5 pre-selected.

Speaker 3 Pre-selected.

Speaker 211 Yeah, so you have to move the slider back to zero.

Speaker 61 And the minute you do that, are you able to add a tip?

Speaker 102 Tips keep GoFundMe running so people like Ruben can get the help they need.

Speaker 118 That slider is pre-selected at 16.5%.

Speaker 87 So if you're not looking at it and you just hit your PayPal, boom, you've already paid them.

Speaker 25 So it's opt-out.

Speaker 21 Scandalous.

Speaker 1 That's not good.

Speaker 25 No, it's scandalous.

Speaker 95 So with none of that nonsense at no agenda, but if you send the check, that $15.38 won't happen either.

Speaker 60 It'll be, what is it, 40 cents?

Speaker 1 40 cents probably depends. After a couple hundred free checks.

Speaker 111 Yeah, and you can send it right from your bank.

Speaker 109 You don't have to write the checkout.

Speaker 140 Although we'd appreciate that, too.

Speaker 1 No, we like the people who write the check. Yes, we like because it's personalized.
You get it and it encourages people to write checks and send.

Speaker 1 We don't encourage cash because you don't trust the mail that much, even though it seems to work fine.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's nice to write your signature down and write the amount. It gives you something to do.

Speaker 14 So Dame Sandcat says, This is Dame Sandcat to be recognized as Secretary General of Southern Nye County, land of hookers and blow.

Speaker 15 And indeed, is that right?

Speaker 1 That's the land of hookers and blow.

Speaker 16 That's the land of hookers and blow.

Speaker 64 And this is the last opportunity.

Speaker 234 These will be our last secretaries general, I believe.

Speaker 83 Is the promotion over now?

Speaker 1 The promotion will be over after midnight tonight. After midnight.

Speaker 1 Get your

Speaker 122 order up.

Speaker 80 And she says, Rev Owl, please.

Speaker 65 It was funny.

Speaker 66 One of our producers went to the,

Speaker 47 he sent me like 50 pictures from the No Kings

Speaker 56 protest that he went to.

Speaker 66 And he sent a picture because he had a sign.

Speaker 38 And he had a, because everyone had handmade signs. He had a sign that said, resist we much.

Speaker 56 And we must, much, much about that be committed.

Speaker 16 Walking around with it.

Speaker 226 Yeah, it's a great deal.

Speaker 111 Thank you very much, Dame Sandcatt.

Speaker 1 Sir Henry in Austin, Texas, right where you used to live.

Speaker 1 500 bucks, ITM with this donation. I would like to be

Speaker 1 ITM with this donation. That's funny.
It actually says ITM, period. With this donation, I would like to become the Secretary General of Shangri-La.
Nice. Congratulations.
Shang-Ra-La. That's good.

Speaker 1 Sir Henry, Baron of Flowerland.

Speaker 164 Flower Field.

Speaker 1 Oh, Flower Field.

Speaker 152 You got Flower Land out there.

Speaker 1 Well, because there's a place down the street from me called Flowerland.

Speaker 1 And it just sticks in my brain. When I see that Flower part, I see land automatically appears in my brain.

Speaker 60 We shall make it so later on.

Speaker 114 And Sir Dan the Man checks in.

Speaker 70 I haven't heard from him in a while with $500.

Speaker 11 He says, congratulations on 18 years.

Speaker 61 I would like to be named Secretary General General of the Sunshine State.

Speaker 114 Thank you for your courage, Sir Dan the Man, Earl of Southwest Florida.

Speaker 16 You got it.

Speaker 1 North. Oh, here's our North Idaho Sanity Brigade.
Post Falls, Idaho 333.33.

Speaker 1 On behalf of the North Idaho Sanity Brigade, here is a crowd-funded magic number donation, courtesy of many of their attendees,

Speaker 1 piling various amounts of cash into the center of the table. Nice.

Speaker 18 Nice. Thank you.

Speaker 175 I'm all in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have released the debut episode of our new hybrid hyper-local podcast, No ID,

Speaker 1 as in North Idaho, No ID.

Speaker 7 Oh, cool.

Speaker 3 I like it. Get it.

Speaker 1 North Idaho. Cute.

Speaker 1 But also, as in screw your cabal-issued digital social credit credential thing,

Speaker 1 every region should have its own no agenda because every region has a mainstream apparatus that

Speaker 1 propagandizes requiring deconstruction. Heed Adams call

Speaker 1 like we did. Start a hyper-local podcast.
Thanks, Podfather, for the inspiration, Sir Scott, the Jew and the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.

Speaker 15 Oh, this is very interesting.

Speaker 157 I would love to host a no-agenda network of hyper-local podcasts.

Speaker 149 I happen to have the software for it. So, and what you missed out on, Sir Scott the Jew, and the North Idaho Sandy Brigade is you didn't tell me where to find the podcast.

Speaker 64 Is it just no ID?

Speaker 72 Can I just find that in every podcast app?

Speaker 120 Is it on the

Speaker 21 index? Let me know.

Speaker 48 I would be more than happy to create the No Agenda Podcast Network.

Speaker 163 I think it's a grand idea.

Speaker 3 Very good.

Speaker 14 And Sir Commodore Jay Stroke from Norton, Ohio comes in with an associate executive producer credit for his 234.16 cents.

Speaker 11 ITM came across Citizen, HTTPS citizenportal.ai.

Speaker 126 It's a service in which you get AI-generated summaries of local government meetings.

Speaker 145 Huh.

Speaker 60 Not sure if you've heard of it.

Speaker 20 Oh, that's actually interesting.

Speaker 234 Is it free? How do they do this stuff for free?

Speaker 25 Yeah, I got to wonder.

Speaker 47 Adam, your recommendation on, here we go again, on hyperlocal podcasts made me seek out ways to be more informed locally, even if not doing a podcast, which is how I found it.

Speaker 191 Seems like the best use of AI that that I've seen.

Speaker 65 It helps keep me, just an average husband, father, and knight, stay in the know on local government.

Speaker 66 I've been using it to follow a proposed data center development in my town.

Speaker 62 Check it out if you're interested.

Speaker 142 I know you guys are swamped with no agenda and doing your round as podcast guests.

Speaker 64 Yeah, boy, we're so busy with the podcast guesting.

Speaker 11 But I felt obliged to share.

Speaker 83 I can hear John commenting, I wish you were obliged to send donations.

Speaker 123 So I did.

Speaker 129 Please accept my PayPal donation of $234.16 for the show plus fees.

Speaker 166 Do you think the constant berating of donors

Speaker 48 is directed incorrectly?

Speaker 60 Shouldn't you berate the listeners who aren't donors?

Speaker 111 Maybe it's just semantics, but words are a weapon these days.

Speaker 63 Thank you.

Speaker 112 This is a very good point.

Speaker 66 And someone else made that point to me.

Speaker 5 Someone said, hey, man, like I donate.

Speaker 7 I think we should say specifically that it's the people who listen but aren't donating who we are berating.

Speaker 20 I don't think we're berating our existing donors, do you? I I don't think that's everything.

Speaker 1 We berate everybody evenly.

Speaker 1 I don't see a problem.

Speaker 21 When you have 800,000 people listening and only 50,000 people.

Speaker 1 We're not berating any of the dukes

Speaker 81 that I know of.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 40 We don't berate people.

Speaker 81 Are we berating

Speaker 1 the donors today? I don't think so.

Speaker 164 If I get any emails about you, I would say 85% about your bitching and moaning and

Speaker 163 complaining about donations.

Speaker 103 What people don't understand is if you don't do that, guess what happens?

Speaker 1 Nothing.

Speaker 24 We get no donations. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 You got to bitch and moan. Bitching and moaning is part of the process.
Come on. This is the reason that we get donations at all.
It's part of the.

Speaker 1 But what are you going to come out and say, hey, oh, we got a lot of donations. Oh, that's great.
You guys, you're going to this is fabulous. We're getting these donations and don't worry about it.

Speaker 138 Maybe some yak karma could do some good, says Sir Commodore J-Stroke.

Speaker 114 Well, we agree.

Speaker 142 Thank you very much.

Speaker 225 You've got

Speaker 145 karma.

Speaker 41 Bitching and moaning works is part of the process.

Speaker 7 It is.

Speaker 165 Welcome to Podcasting 101 with Adam C.

Speaker 20 Curry and John C. Dvorak.

Speaker 20 Today we talk about donations.

Speaker 39 John, what is the crux of the donation value-for-value model?

Speaker 81 Complaining a lot.

Speaker 105 Boom.

Speaker 1 We don't get enough money.

Speaker 89 There it is.

Speaker 92 There it is.

Speaker 99 And you know what?

Speaker 62 A lot of people have a problem.

Speaker 58 I think people

Speaker 48 are embarrassed because they know they could never do it.

Speaker 1 They could never do it. Oh, you mean they can't bitch and moan?

Speaker 56 No, they can't bitch and moan about donations.

Speaker 1 Well, this is the problem. We've noticed this, by the way, for you out there that think you're going to be able to pull off value for value.
You do have to have some sincerity.

Speaker 1 Do you want the money or not?

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 1 It's called asking for the money. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's also biblical, if you think about it. The ask and ye shall receive.

Speaker 81 If you don't ask, you don't get it.

Speaker 141 Whoa, you just threw some biblical scripture out. Beautiful.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's scripture.

Speaker 122 It is.

Speaker 1 So the point is, is that you have to be sincere about, look, we need the money. Look, the show doesn't pay for itself.
We have bills. We do this show.

Speaker 1 This is our full-time job, basically, and we need some help here. And that's all we're doing.
It's not like we're berating any one one person you jim out there you didn't give us any money uh

Speaker 40 although there is a gym that's never given us money i do you know what you know what i think a lot of people certainly for me a lot of people think you're rich curry you are on television you dvorack you sold millions of books see i think they think that we're loaded and we're just doing this as a hobby for fun

Speaker 1 no it's cash flow yeah cash flow we're not loaded neither one of us we live on cash flow basically.

Speaker 7 We do.

Speaker 16 We live by the ebb and flow of river.

Speaker 1 So, if we were rich, we'd be in, you know, we wouldn't have this. Our attitude is not that of a rich person, either one of us.

Speaker 165 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 28 I don't think that. No.

Speaker 142 You know who's rich? Dana Brunetti.

Speaker 99 And what does he donate? Nothing.

Speaker 1 Dana Brunetti is rich. Yeah.
And he has

Speaker 1 a big giant ranch.

Speaker 175 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And when's the last time he donated?

Speaker 1 Well, he relies on other people to donate in his name at levels that he doesn't appreciate.

Speaker 16 Let's move on, shall we?

Speaker 81 Onward.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry, you got that one. Steven Trokles is here, or possibly Stefan.

Speaker 181 I think it's Stefan.

Speaker 1 It might be. Stefan Trokles from Parts Unknown.
Double up karma for my nephew named

Speaker 181 What does that say? Bolly.

Speaker 131 Bolly. Bolly?

Speaker 1 Yes. Who recently completed his first trip

Speaker 1 around the sun, having accumulated so many miles in an airplane. He might as well be Generation Delta Airlines.
Delta Airlines. Get it? Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 122 Sorry.

Speaker 4 Let me dedouch the.

Speaker 14 You've been dedouched.

Speaker 25 Accidental dedouching.

Speaker 132 There we go.

Speaker 1 And by the way, he came up with 222.

Speaker 113 210.19.

Speaker 62 Eli the coffee guy always adds the date, 10.19 today, 200 plus 10.19.

Speaker 16 He says, lots of goings on around the globe.

Speaker 145 Good thing we have AstroTurf protests and John Bolton's mustache for the media here to talk about.

Speaker 62 Gentlemen, thank you for the excellent media deconstruction.

Speaker 114 Keep up the great work, and I'm happy to keep you caffeinated.

Speaker 159 Actually, we're happy to keep everyone in Gitmo Nation caffeinated.

Speaker 166 Just visit gigawattcoffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order.

Speaker 23 Stay caffeinated, says Eli, the coffee guy.

Speaker 118 And I will say our guests loved the Gigawatt.

Speaker 65 They will be purchasing their own.

Speaker 25 You know, I was selling for him this morning.

Speaker 32 Check this out.

Speaker 69 Check this coffee.

Speaker 59 You think you got good coffee?

Speaker 149 You don't have the official Gigawatt coffee roasters coffee.

Speaker 1 By the way, his Ethiopian Gucci, well, organic, whatever it is that he promoted a couple of shows ago. Yeah.
I finally opened the bag and put it in the machine.

Speaker 1 It's outstanding. Yeah.

Speaker 16 He makes a good product.

Speaker 160 He and Jen together.

Speaker 1 I would like to see a picture of his roaster with him standing next to it.

Speaker 126 I want to see yours.

Speaker 48 I want to see lots of people's roasters.

Speaker 1 This next letter is from Baron O.G. Godcaster, and he wants you to read this note, please.

Speaker 185 This must be Steve Webb because there is only one OG Godcaster.

Speaker 17 $200.77.

Speaker 111 Message receives.

Speaker 202 In the morning, fellas, I just launched a new show called Verses We Missed.

Speaker 142 And I want to invite Gitmo Nation to check it out.

Speaker 48 It's a short weekly show that looks into those Bible verses you may have read before, but maybe didn't really see. There's a lot of treasure under the surface.

Speaker 11 Find the show in your podcast app or at versesweissed.com.

Speaker 116 And please credit this.

Speaker 25 Yes, it is from Steve.

Speaker 66 Please credit this donation to the lovely Leanne, Lady Leanne, I should say.

Speaker 159 And if you would, pray for her.

Speaker 202 She took a nasty fall this past Thursday and needed six staples in her scalp.

Speaker 122 Oi, ouch. Ouch.

Speaker 25 Ouch. Yes.

Speaker 118 Prayer flare received.

Speaker 123 Love you guys.

Speaker 51 May God bless you richly.

Speaker 52 All right.

Speaker 48 And that will also go in our new No Agenda network

Speaker 124 system.

Speaker 111 I'm going to start this. I like this.

Speaker 16 Hyperlocal podcast.

Speaker 72 And this one belongs in it as well.

Speaker 1 So after proving the point about complaining, I complain

Speaker 1 every so often about the Irish never donating to the show.

Speaker 121 They're no good.

Speaker 1 And Peter McClay comes in from Dublin.

Speaker 116 There we go.

Speaker 1 $200.18, no note. but he will give him a double-up karma.

Speaker 83 Yeah, proof that moaning works.

Speaker 225 You've got

Speaker 145 karma.

Speaker 49 Why don't you do Linda and then I'll do the long one because they want me to read that one.

Speaker 85 Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado.

Speaker 132 What?

Speaker 56 No, I'm sorry. That long one isn't even a 200.

Speaker 121 Oh, it's from Canada. It is.

Speaker 3 Yep, you're right. It is.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado, $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results. Go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs.

Speaker 1 I'm doing a little modulation here.

Speaker 122 Yeah, I can tell.

Speaker 1 And job search needs. That's ImageMakers Inc.
with a K. And work with Linda Lou Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes, 200 bucks.

Speaker 211 So I was talking to Vic because he actually does sell.

Speaker 139 He's in the sales chain, like the

Speaker 201 corporate sales chains.

Speaker 2 He does sell.

Speaker 1 Like we don't.

Speaker 56 No, no, but no, that's not what I mean.

Speaker 119 So a lot of his clients are

Speaker 65 uh, yeah, the sales chain.

Speaker 180 If you're in like the Microsoft sales chain and you sell, let's just say, SharePoint or whatever, you get a perpetual.

Speaker 62 So, as long as that company is using the product, you as the in-between guy in the sales chain, you get like 10 or 15 percent.

Speaker 109 Yeah, it's an unbelievable business.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 14 And so, he, so, he has,

Speaker 46 yeah, it's great.

Speaker 72 He has a number of clients, and uh,

Speaker 48 we were talking about use of AI for

Speaker 102 resumes.

Speaker 226 And it turns out the number one thing that you can really do with AI for your resumes that will actually, and I'd love to hear from Linda Lupatkin on this, is have AI do your headshot.

Speaker 66 And make sure your headshot is the one you use on LinkedIn.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of AI products that do headshots for you.

Speaker 69 Oh, see, it doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a couple. and they take your, you give them a couple of photos, and it'll create a perfect headshot with the right background and the whole thing.
It makes you look very professional.

Speaker 1 I think we talked about it on the show before.

Speaker 24 Not that part. I don't remember that part.

Speaker 226 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen it. It's been pointed out a couple of times.

Speaker 181 They look good.

Speaker 65 Sarah Nielsen comes in with $157.97, which was $200 Canadian dollar redues.

Speaker 52 So we do

Speaker 12 honor that.

Speaker 211 It's getting increasingly difficult, but we honor it.

Speaker 58 She's from Val Morin, Quebec, in Canada.

Speaker 111 And she said, I hope this message finds you well.

Speaker 114 Adam, if you could, if possible, could you try a Danish accent for this note?

Speaker 20 If not, Dutch would work. Danish.

Speaker 103 Well, my Danish sounds a bit like my Swedish, but I'll give it a shot.

Speaker 57 I would like to...

Speaker 121 to wish my smoking hot husband Alex a happy 33

Speaker 211 oops i mean 47th birthday today, October 19th.

Speaker 107 What do you do when your husband and your own birthday falls on a show day all in the same week?

Speaker 80 I will have to do like him and donate.

Speaker 83 May this $210.19 Canadian.

Speaker 56 What am I doing?

Speaker 123 I'll switch Dutch.

Speaker 54 Go towards his knighthood.

Speaker 225 Side note, his $200 US donation on show 1808 is 280 Canadians.

Speaker 121 Alex and I have been on a glorious journey for 23 years.

Speaker 59 We meet while touring with Cirque de Soleil.

Speaker 10 Oh, wow.

Speaker 24 We had our firstborn.

Speaker 10 That's cool.

Speaker 63 Were you the lady

Speaker 90 in the cocktail glass?

Speaker 85 We had our firstborn.

Speaker 7 In the ball.

Speaker 227 We had our firstborn on tour until school age.

Speaker 40 Then we started playing house and we had our second daughter and many crazy adventures ever since.

Speaker 39 It has been a blast.

Speaker 68 Alex has been my rock and keeps inspiring all of us girls.

Speaker 57 Happy hunting, my love.

Speaker 28 What do you want him to hunt?

Speaker 116 There's two too many.

Speaker 116 Yeah, really.

Speaker 7 There's too many.

Speaker 1 He still didn't quite understand the meaning of it. No, it's Danish.

Speaker 158 There's too many more years as we slowly make the journey towards dame and knighthoods.

Speaker 63 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Speaker 103 John, would you be so kind to play?

Speaker 121 I love my truck and I love what I do.

Speaker 2 Yes, I would. I love my truck and I love what I do.

Speaker 80 And we thank you all, executive and associate executive producers, for your support of the No Agenda Show for episode 1809.

Speaker 48 It is all highly appreciated.

Speaker 66 And of course, these credits are the real deal.

Speaker 67 Go to imdb.com and you can open up an account if you already have one.

Speaker 50 And of course, we'll be thanking the rest of our donors $50 and above in our second segment.

Speaker 211 We love every single value-for-value donation, any amount.

Speaker 87 You can also set up a recurring donation.

Speaker 107 Don't you do it through GoFundMe.

Speaker 123 Do it right here on noagendadonations.com.

Speaker 8 Congratulations again to these executive and associate executive producers.

Speaker 9 Our formula is this.

Speaker 189 We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Speaker 24 So, Lady Vox in the troll room says she's disappointed.

Speaker 140 She thought that her check would have reached you by now.

Speaker 38 She sent it nine days ago.

Speaker 56 When did you check the P.O.

Speaker 51 box?

Speaker 46 You check it regularly, don't you?

Speaker 152 I'll tell you when I check.

Speaker 1 I checked that P.O. box every

Speaker 1 Tuesday and Friday.

Speaker 25 Oh, okay. Yeah, so maybe.

Speaker 30 Oh, Tuesday. How long is it?

Speaker 28 I don't know where she lives, so I don't know how long it would take.

Speaker 56 The mail has been kind of unpredictable, I would say.

Speaker 1 Just me. Sometimes it takes longer than it should.
Sometimes it comes in really fast.

Speaker 12 I don't know how it works.

Speaker 155 Hey, we have an Epstein update.

Speaker 60 Epstein update.

Speaker 1 Epstein? Who's Epstein?

Speaker 199 Prince Andrew gives up his royal title of Duke of York, as well as other honours, after his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein returns to the headlines.

Speaker 199 The news comes ahead of the late Virginia Roberts Jeffrey's memoir due to be published on Tuesday. Jeffrey alleged she was trafficked by Epstein and had sex with Andrew when she was 17.

Speaker 199 Claims Andrew denies.

Speaker 199 In a statement released by Buckingham Palace on Friday and with the agreement of his brother King Charles, Andrew said the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the royal family.

Speaker 199 In 2019, Andrew had already stepped down from public life over links to Epstein, despite denying any wrongdoing.

Speaker 21 Interesting that she keeps saying Epstein. The whole world knows it's Epstein.

Speaker 28 I don't know why I have to say Epstein.

Speaker 9 And it seems like the Duke of York title is in play.

Speaker 80 Anyone who wants to upgrade to Duke, you can become the Duke of York.

Speaker 1 I think we should

Speaker 1 do a Duke of York's promotion.

Speaker 1 I think it was very strange that this guy bailed out.

Speaker 1 I mean, why didn't he do this years ago?

Speaker 56 Because the book is coming out and something no good is in the book.

Speaker 1 There must be something in the book that he knows about is not good.

Speaker 149 For sure.

Speaker 149 For sure.

Speaker 229 We have,

Speaker 7 let's see.

Speaker 7 We have.

Speaker 234 Oh, yeah, I guess

Speaker 226 there's a de well, let's start with this just because just to keep up on it.

Speaker 7 Bolton.

Speaker 60 These were sealed indictments.

Speaker 81 These were actually sealed. Well,

Speaker 1 before you play that, let's play Bolton is past commentary. I have a clip here.

Speaker 1 Bolton on the whole on the legality of all these.

Speaker 1 He had some way. He had some commentary about Snowden and Assange and all these people and how he felt about it.

Speaker 241 We'll We'll have to prove it.

Speaker 250 Then he has committed very serious crimes.

Speaker 16 This is Bolton and Mar-a-Lago raids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is talking about

Speaker 1 how the law should treat people who've mishandled classified information.

Speaker 59 Oh, okay.

Speaker 241 We'll have to prove it.

Speaker 250 Then, then he has committed very serious crimes.

Speaker 241 This is a devastating indictment.

Speaker 219 I speak here as an alumnus of the Justice Department myself because not only is it powerful, it's very narrowly tailored. They didn't throw everything up against the wall to see what would stick.

Speaker 219 This really is a rifle shot, and I think it should be the end of Donald Trump's political career.

Speaker 1 No, that's the one on Trump, yeah.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't have the other one, which is even funnier.

Speaker 56 No, but that is kind of funny in light of the 18 indictments that were sealed.

Speaker 137 Former U.N. Ambassador and former Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton appearing in federal court in Maryland.

Speaker 137 Bolton pleading not guilty to 18 counts of alleged illegal transmission and retention of classified information.

Speaker 137 He declared himself the latest target in weaponizing the Justice Department to charge those Trump deems to be his enemies. Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks.

Speaker 137 The others, former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James, earlier this week at the president. What?

Speaker 7 Where did this clip come from?

Speaker 1 Let me check. This seems a little slanted.
This is the third Trump

Speaker 7 enemy.

Speaker 128 This ABC.

Speaker 104 Yes, good catch.

Speaker 11 I actually put it.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a Trump enemy. Yes.

Speaker 122 It's a guy who broke the law.

Speaker 111 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 65 I'd actually put a note to myself and forgot to stop it myself. Thank you for catching that.

Speaker 137 Those Trump deems to be his enemies. Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks.

Speaker 15 Isn't that great? I just love that. I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 27 They've slipped that in there.

Speaker 137 The others, former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James, earlier this week at the president urging the Justice Department to keep going.

Speaker 137 Bolton saying the Trump administration embodies what Joseph Stalin's head of secret police once said. You show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

Speaker 137 Bolton is accused of sharing classified information with two family members in diary-like emails describing his experiences in Trump's White House for a tell-all book.

Speaker 137 Prosecutors say that information, in addition to documents, was discovered when the FBI searched his home. President Trump saying this on Fox News.

Speaker 179 He took classified information and he published it during the presidency.

Speaker 137 The indictment says Bolton's email was hacked by an Iranian cyber actor, gaining access to alleged classified material. Bolton did report the hack to authorities.

Speaker 137 Bolton's attorneys deny any wrongdoing, with Bolton insisting his book was reviewed and approved by the appropriate experienced career clearance officials. If convicted, each count carries 10 years.

Speaker 38 Yeah, I find this very interesting

Speaker 66 because, yeah, first of all, he published it in a book and he says it was cleared by security

Speaker 131 officials.

Speaker 56 I wonder who does that.

Speaker 40 And then, oh, it was an Iranian cyber hacker.

Speaker 82 Okay.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Well,

Speaker 103 I don't know. You think he's going to go away?

Speaker 1 I doubt it. The Republicans are always making these threats and never nothing.
I've always reminded of James Comer.

Speaker 95 Now, you say this, but you keep saying it about the Republicans.

Speaker 111 Look, everything in Congress, I'm with you.

Speaker 66 Who cares?

Speaker 19 It's uninteresting.

Speaker 38 They don't do anything.

Speaker 201 But when it gets to the Department of Justice, that's not just the Republicans.

Speaker 69 That's the Department of Justice.

Speaker 21 And Pam Bondi, who we know is not the brightest lamp, she could just take it all the way.

Speaker 143 You know,

Speaker 22 she could make it happen.

Speaker 19 She can get someone put in jail.

Speaker 7 We'll see.

Speaker 215 Well, then there's the declassified Durham Report documents.

Speaker 44 The documents contain emails, allegedly, from the senior vice president of the George Soros Open Society Foundation.

Speaker 44 He quotes a Clinton campaign advisor saying, quote, it will be a long-term affair and to demonize Putin and Trump, and adds that, quote, later the FBI will put more oil into the fire, unquote.

Speaker 44 Other emails reveal Hillary Clinton approved the idea of tying Trump and Russia to election interference, and that was a scheme, hoping the allegations would distract people from her own email scandal.

Speaker 44 These documents provide clear evidence that Hillary Clinton's campaign was behind the Russia hoax and that the FBI knew what the Clinton team was up to, acknowledging that the info they were receiving about the Trump campaign may have come from the Clinton camp.

Speaker 44 Despite this, the Obama Intel community forged ahead with their 2017 assessment, concluding that Russia aspired to help Trump win the election.

Speaker 30 So what laws did you...

Speaker 1 Where did that report come from, Fox?

Speaker 203 Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 Nobody is reporting that but Fox.

Speaker 1 And do you think that that can be used to send someone like Comey or brennan to jail i think that i think there's a unless they can prove conspiracy i don't know no i don't think so either if they can't prove conspiracy because everything else is statute of limitations is long gone

Speaker 1 yeah they have to prove conspiracy and i you know

Speaker 1 that's why i think they're going after coming with this minor charge yeah get him on tax evasion Yeah, that's the whole trick.

Speaker 3 And then sad news from the world of rock and roll, everybody. Rock and roll.

Speaker 176 Sad news in the world of rock and roll.

Speaker 170 Rock and roll.

Speaker 176 Ace Freely, a founding member of the Glam Rock band Kiss, has died after a recent fall.

Speaker 176 Fraley's driving guitar sound powered the band that captivated audiences with elaborate makeup and thrilling stage performances.

Speaker 176 His agent says Fraley died peacefully Thursday, surrounded by family in Morristown, New Jersey. Ace Freely was 74.

Speaker 56 They're leaving a lot out there.

Speaker 185 Ace Freely, lifelong addict.

Speaker 38 So bad that his daughter just, she quit her job, everything to try and keep him alive and keep him off substances.

Speaker 47 And then he slipped and he fell.

Speaker 48 And then he got a brain bleed.

Speaker 20 And they thought he was going to be okay, but then he wasn't.

Speaker 20 Which I don't know if his driving guitar was really the success of Kiss, but

Speaker 1 it was an element.

Speaker 70 It was an element.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 115 74 is too young.

Speaker 142 It's too young.

Speaker 36 Too young, I tell you.

Speaker 1 Love, you're strung out. It's

Speaker 122 get that far. Yeah.

Speaker 83 Climate change, there's a new report.

Speaker 119 Man, I'm so happy.

Speaker 164 I really hope that.

Speaker 1 Well, before you play the new report on climate change, let's play my old report from 2009

Speaker 1 on climate change from John Kerry on the Congress floor.

Speaker 252 In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer. That exposes more ocean to sunlight.
Ocean is dark.

Speaker 252 It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of

Speaker 252 the melting and warming rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.

Speaker 31 Oh, so that was 10 years ago we should have had an ice-free Arctic?

Speaker 1 Well, he said in five years, and that was 2009, so in 2014, which is 11 years ago,

Speaker 1 we should have had an Arctic-free Arctic, even though we were were buying icebreakers for some reason from Finland.

Speaker 123 This is a good beat, John.

Speaker 139 I want you to keep bringing these on.

Speaker 47 All these old clips, just keep bringing them up. And then.

Speaker 1 They're a good intro to the new clips, which you have.

Speaker 211 Yes, it's a new report, and of course, it's actually quite similar.

Speaker 4 Sweltering heat

Speaker 14 and cracked earth.

Speaker 124 All over the world, cracked warming is having an impact.

Speaker 82 Oh, no, cracked Earth.

Speaker 170 And it's getting hotter.

Speaker 205 Average global temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees Celsius since 2015, leading to 11 more hot days per year. A decade ago, almost 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement.

Speaker 16 So I love the hot days.

Speaker 23 I don't know what a hot day is. You know, it's a hot day.

Speaker 63 A hot day here is over 100.

Speaker 155 A hot day for you might be 90.

Speaker 121 You know, it's like, what's a hot day?

Speaker 160 And

Speaker 228 no.

Speaker 60 I don't like this at all.

Speaker 30 I don't like these.

Speaker 133 You should be a little more exact.

Speaker 7 An international climate.

Speaker 157 85. Is that a hot hot day for you?

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 205 Most 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement.

Speaker 119 Yes, just a reminder, the Paris Agreement, part of the North Sea Nexus.

Speaker 205 An international climate accord that obliges nations to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and limit temperature rise to no more than 2 degrees Celsius.

Speaker 7 Before the agreement was signed. What?

Speaker 16 What? What?

Speaker 43 What happened to 1.5?

Speaker 113 No, no,

Speaker 57 it's a moving target.

Speaker 205 And limit temperature rise to no more than 2 degrees Celsius.

Speaker 205 Before the agreement was signed, global warming was estimated to reach four degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by the end of the century, which scientists say would have led to 114 additional hot days per year.

Speaker 21 This is the new metric.

Speaker 203 It's how many extra hot days you get.

Speaker 30 Hey, you know what?

Speaker 57 There's people that live in Holland and they're happy with hot days.

Speaker 15 They're like, it's beautiful weather.

Speaker 166 I live in a perpetual car wash.

Speaker 89 I like hot weather.

Speaker 205 If enacted, pledges made under the accord would limit warming to 2.6 degrees, leading to half the number of hot days.

Speaker 205 It's progress, say experts, as part of a new study, but more still needs to be done.

Speaker 204 We are still not seeing the highest possible ambition, and that is obviously a huge problem.

Speaker 48 Brit, Brit, North Sea Nexus.

Speaker 204 It is a problem that will be paid for with the lives and livelihoods of

Speaker 204 the poorest people in the world.

Speaker 41 Poorest people in the world will die, you evil, evil Westerners.

Speaker 204 In every country.

Speaker 205 Heat is the ugliest type of extreme weather, contributing to an estimated half a million deaths globally every year.

Speaker 170 And it's often underestimated.

Speaker 205 Only around half of countries worldwide have heat early warning systems in place, with coverage uneven and far fewer systems found in Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia.

Speaker 16 We need heat early warning systems.

Speaker 14 Another exit strategy.

Speaker 83 It's called a thermometer

Speaker 14 okay we can keep playing these sorts of things yeah i don't have any more but i think more dangerous is starshield have you heard about this yes i have i have heard about i have a clip i would love to hear your clips about starshield because it seems like they're on the ham bands

Speaker 7 exactly it all began

Speaker 34 or worse yes here we go it all began with a guy living out in british columbia named Scott Tilly. Tilley tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting, but in space.

Speaker 34 He was working with his equipment.

Speaker 152 Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 65 That categorizes your typical amateur radio operator, kind of like a plane spotter in space.

Speaker 34 Tilly tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting, but in space. He was working with his equipment one day.

Speaker 238 And it was just a clumsy move at the keyboard. I was just resetting some stuff.

Speaker 34 He switched to the wrong antenna and found himself looking at a range of radio frequencies that that are normally quiet. He was about to move on when he saw something weird.

Speaker 46 It's really subtle.

Speaker 238 Just, you know, you catch it by the corner of your eye. Hey, wait a minute.
That's exactly the type of stuff I'm normally looking for.

Speaker 34 A radio signal from a satellite, but at the wrong frequency. Tilly recorded the signal and then looked at a catalog other amateurs had created of all the satellites in space.

Speaker 238 And bang, up came an unusual identification that I wasn't expecting at all. Starshield.

Speaker 34 Starshield is a classified network of intelligence satellites from the commercial company SpaceX.

Speaker 34 Its users include spy agencies like the National Reconnaissance Office, which launched a batch of Starshield satellites just last month.

Speaker 4 Two, one,

Speaker 7 tegnitions.

Speaker 165 And lift off of Stock and Dive. Go, SpaceX, Code NRL 48.

Speaker 34 Tilly has since spotted a lot more Starshields, 170 in all, and that's a problem, he says, because this frequency they're using to send data down to Earth is supposed to be used for the exact opposite, for sending commands from Earth to civilian satellites.

Speaker 34 He worries Starshield could mess them up.

Speaker 238 Nearby satellites could receive radio frequency interference and could perhaps not respond properly to commands or ignore commands from Earth.

Speaker 34 Kevin Gifford is a computer scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder who specializes in radio interference from spacecraft. He agrees Starshield signals could cause interference.

Speaker 78 I'm skeptical about this because the way I understand it is he's using, or these Starshields are sending

Speaker 139 signals on the downlink, what should be the uplink from a bunch of hams on CubeSats.

Speaker 72 So I'm not sure if that's going to mess up command and control of other satellites.

Speaker 81 Well, that's what they imply.

Speaker 72 Yeah, I'm not sure that's true.

Speaker 253 I think that it's definitely happening.

Speaker 253 How big of an impact is a question.

Speaker 34 The truth is, satellite operators really don't send that many commands from Earth to space, and the commands they do send via uplink are usually brief.

Speaker 253 You know, that uplink has a low probability of being corrupted simply because the uplink in those bands is not happening that often.

Speaker 34 SpaceX and the NRO did not respond to NPR's request for comment about the transmissions, but Tilly says he thinks the world needs to know.

Speaker 34 These secret satellites are beaming out a signal that could mess up other spacecraft.

Speaker 126 I thought that it was on a ham,

Speaker 65 a part of the ham band for satellite communications.

Speaker 21 Did I misunderstand?

Speaker 30 Did I misunderstand that?

Speaker 1 They never say.

Speaker 117 You know, Vic, same Vic.

Speaker 70 He's going to be one of the first reps for, I forget the name of it.

Speaker 19 What's the Amazon Starlink variant?

Speaker 101 Amazon's.

Speaker 1 Amazon's shipping some. Yes.
Amazon is going to put satellite birds up.

Speaker 16 They already are.

Speaker 124 Yeah.

Speaker 66 Or, yeah, let me see.

Speaker 183 It's called Kaiper.

Speaker 1 Using that same crackpot technology that

Speaker 1 Musk uses.

Speaker 140 So it's called Kauper, which is a Dutch name.

Speaker 1 Kaiper.

Speaker 164 Yeah, K-U-I-P-E-R, Kauper.

Speaker 63 Then according to Vic, this will be gigabit speeds.

Speaker 1 Bull.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, hey, he's a sales guy, so, but you say,

Speaker 203 bless you.

Speaker 14 If Vic says it, I believe it.

Speaker 1 That woman who wrote the note will be bitching about me doing that.

Speaker 123 John, you're so rude and so mean to Adam.

Speaker 148 You keep sneezing in the middle of him.

Speaker 68 Can't you mute your mic?

Speaker 198 I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.

Speaker 84 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

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Speaker 113 in the morning. Well, good news for the fans.

Speaker 110 The Secretaries General's jingle is coming up as we have

Speaker 1 four,

Speaker 80 four, one, two, yes, four Secretaries General to celebrate today.

Speaker 70 Of course, John's tip of the day coming up and some outstanding end-of-show mixes along with our meetups.

Speaker 180 And right now, John is going to thank the value-for-value producers who supported us $50 and above.

Speaker 1 Yes, starting with Stephen or Stephan, Kirkpatrick.

Speaker 84 I think this is Stephen.

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Speaker 121 Well, you know who Nathan is?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mercy Me. He's the only one.

Speaker 2 Where's the other guys from this band?

Speaker 102 Well, we're never going to get Bart the singer.

Speaker 20 I don't think he's a Noah Jenny.

Speaker 1 Anyway, he's a left-winger

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Speaker 56 He's a vocalist.

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Speaker 23 But Barry and Mike, yes, Shwu,

Speaker 65 they are big supporters.

Speaker 16 And they love the show.

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Speaker 50 That's a no from John, everybody.

Speaker 1 I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 You're reading into what I say.

Speaker 190 I'm mean.

Speaker 104 Because you're me.

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Speaker 1 supposedly good friend,

Speaker 1 James Walker as a douchebag.

Speaker 4 Douchebag in front of me.

Speaker 119 Well, Cody is, yeah, San Antonio is kind of a neighbor, but it's about an hour away.

Speaker 132 Do you go there?

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Speaker 1 I think you go there for the Costco, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 48 Tina goes there

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Speaker 1 I don't want to get into it.

Speaker 63 That's one of the better ones.

Speaker 2 Save second base.

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Speaker 1 Dame Becky, good old Dame Becky in Arlington, Washington, $69.96.

Speaker 1 What is this? H

Speaker 1 J C J is that what that is?

Speaker 124 H J C J Holtman.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hoffman. Holtman.

Speaker 105 Holtman.

Speaker 29 Holtman.

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Yes.

Speaker 81 And

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Speaker 10 Which I Virgin.

Speaker 63 Which I think means the water filled with worms.

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Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's in Holland. Yeah.

Speaker 1 6061. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago, 6006.
Dame Liberty Mom in Vista, California, 6006.

Speaker 1 And then we got, oh, nuts.

Speaker 147 Okay. Nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, if I hit the button to move the scroll and it's shot to the top. Dean Roker, 5510.

Speaker 1 Sir Nick in Knoxville, Tennessee, 5272. Is there anything in here he wants? He wants to say that.

Speaker 142 Yeah, there's some make goods in here.

Speaker 211 He says, as a follow-up to my

Speaker 66 Instagram donation show, 1807.

Speaker 20 That's why we stop and read this.

Speaker 56 And for novelty's sake, I'd love to include a Secretary Generalship as well as that.

Speaker 65 Okay, yes, you're on the list.

Speaker 66 He wants to be the Secretary General of the Daily Grind.

Speaker 64 Additionally, I previously left out my request for Jobs Karma and for the entire

Speaker 56 Mazoni clan, baby-making karma. Many thanks and kind regards.
Sir Nick of uh knight of knoxville's 33rd degree so jobs and baby karma will be at the end of this list

Speaker 1 baby making karma kento rorick in frostburg maryland 5272 baron henry of the outpost west in rancho palo verdes

Speaker 1 uh california 5242

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Speaker 1 And from there, we go to the $50 donors, and this is just going to be the names and the locations of these people, people, starting with the Chris Cowan in Austin,

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Speaker 1 Lisa Rosa in Highland Park, Illinois.

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Speaker 1 And that's a group of well-wishers and supporters and people that made show 180, is it 1809? 1809. Possibility made it happen.

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Speaker 145 Here, as requested, the jobs and baby making karma.

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Speaker 138 Let's vote for jobs.

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Speaker 48 And I just realized I forgot Linda Lou Patkins' jobs karma.

Speaker 65 So we'll do a double jobs karma for her on the next donation on the next show.

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Speaker 111 Thank you again to these donors.

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Speaker 166 Paul wishes his smoking hot, loving, resilient wife, Lauren, a happy birthday.

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Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

Speaker 41 Time now for that jingle that is the ear room of the century.

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Speaker 114 I'm going to miss the jingle.

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Speaker 8 Time now for our No Agenda meetups.

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Speaker 79 We got a couple of meetups taking place.

Speaker 123 Today, DB Pat's surprise birthday party in Michigan.

Speaker 121 Local, I guess that the Michigan Local One is already doing this at 2 o'clock.

Speaker 114 Horrocks Farm Market Beer Garden in Lansing, Michigan.

Speaker 72 Thursday, our next show day, the Happy Birthday No Agenda

Speaker 67 meetup at Canyons Crown in Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 36 That is one show before the actual 18th anniversary.

Speaker 101 And that will start at 4.19 Arizona time for some reason.

Speaker 24 I'm not quite sure why.

Speaker 16 Coming up, Los Altos, California, the 25th.

Speaker 83 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, the 26th.

Speaker 40 Berlin, Germany.

Speaker 57 Hello, Deutschland on the 27th.

Speaker 112 Alpharetta, Georgia on the 30th.

Speaker 68 Hello to the Hollanders in Leiden on the 31st.

Speaker 65 Indianapolis, Indiana, they will be back with their monthly meetup on November 2nd, the 15th.

Speaker 211 Another get John out of the house meetup in Albany, California.

Speaker 96 Zurich, Switzerland on the 15th.

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Speaker 185 Remember, this is where you get the connection that always brings you very important protection.

Speaker 17 It is community, common unity.

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Speaker 148 Start one yourself.

Speaker 166 It's easy and always a party.

Speaker 166 Sometimes you wanna go hang up with all the nights and days.

Speaker 166 You to be where you won't be.

Speaker 1 Now we got John's tip of the day coming up.

Speaker 114 Everybody loves the tip of the day.

Speaker 19 They have been increasingly interesting as tips of the day.

Speaker 142 Everyone, I saw the Manchurian candidate rocketed to the top of the charts.

Speaker 211 Everyone picking that one up from the classic movies.

Speaker 72 And before we do that, we always like to take a look at some of the end of show ISO.

Speaker 46 What?

Speaker 21 I don't see any ISOs on your list.

Speaker 1 I have none.

Speaker 1 I'm deferring.

Speaker 27 Well, I have three.

Speaker 180 You get to choose.

Speaker 85 Hail to the king, baby.

Speaker 226 Okay.

Speaker 226 We have this one.

Speaker 7 Bye-bye.

Speaker 196 Bye-bye.

Speaker 145 And this one is a little long, but I kind of liked it.

Speaker 88 What are we doing?

Speaker 251 You have a podcast, but you don't have a YouTube channel?

Speaker 1 Yes, that was sent in by someone.

Speaker 70 Yeah, you don't like that one?

Speaker 1 I do kind of like it, but you know, when you bring in the Jones material, bye-bye, bye-bye.

Speaker 30 There's no competition.

Speaker 7 I agree.

Speaker 14 AJ, it is.

Speaker 41 But first, we have to listen to the very important John Cedar Vorak's tip of of the day.

Speaker 4 Great advice for you and me, just the tip with JCD

Speaker 4 and sometimes Adam.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is a screwball tip. This is for people who travel in Europe by train.

Speaker 114 Okay, everybody, pay attention.

Speaker 96 That's you.

Speaker 1 It could be anybody because you get a Eurail pass, which Americans love to do, and you just jump on the train, you go from here to there.

Speaker 1 But it's kind of a pain in the ass to figure out where to go, how to go, where, where, you know, where's the schedules? The Deutsche Bahn

Speaker 1 puts together a website for international,

Speaker 1 but there's an international traveler's version, which is the one I'm recommending. And the website is INT

Speaker 91 exactly right.

Speaker 47 Get it right now.

Speaker 1 Int

Speaker 1 dot bond, B-A-H-N

Speaker 1 dot D-E

Speaker 1 slash English, E-N.

Speaker 1 I think if you don't put the EN, then it still works.

Speaker 149 But

Speaker 1 you can also look it up on Google at Deutsche Bahn International travel site. You put in where you're going, and this is for all of Europe, and it includes the UK.

Speaker 1 I don't know why they do this because there's all these different competing operations in Europe for the different train companies.

Speaker 1 But you put in where you're starting and where you want to go, and it will take you from train to train to train, show you what platform you're landing on,

Speaker 1 what platform to go to to transfer to the next train,

Speaker 1 at what time the train comes in, and at what time the next train leaves, and what platform it's on. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 56 If you happen to be traveling through Europe in Deutschland.

Speaker 32 Well, Europe,

Speaker 81 Eastern Europe,

Speaker 1 Middle Europe, England,

Speaker 1 all the way up into Sweden. It's astonishing that they have this, and it's well-structured, very easy to deal with.
They've changed the interface a little bit. I used to use this a lot,

Speaker 1 you know, 20 years ago,

Speaker 51 or 30 years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it was, I thought it was, I thought the layout was a little nicer when it was more old-fashioned.

Speaker 1 But it's still old.

Speaker 183 That's because you like blink tags.

Speaker 1 There was no blink tags involved. And the cat running across the bottom, that's what I was missing.

Speaker 8 There it is, everybody. Find them all at tipoftheday.net.

Speaker 24 John's tip of the day.

Speaker 4 Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD.

Speaker 4 And sometimes at home. Created by Dana Bernetti.

Speaker 123 And in the show notes, I just added it, a 1989 interview I did with Ace Freely on the Headbanger's Ball.

Speaker 16 Which I cannot remember.

Speaker 56 But it did happen, apparently.

Speaker 189 You were a pothead.

Speaker 7 Oh, that's why.

Speaker 56 Yeah, now I remember. Thanks.

Speaker 133 Thanks for reminding me.

Speaker 40 That's it for No Agenda for today,

Speaker 180 but we will be back in just a few short days.

Speaker 66 Thursday, our next show day.

Speaker 68 There will be plenty to deconstruct, no doubt about it.

Speaker 151 There's always something happening in your world.

Speaker 57 If you want to know what's really going on, don't get confused by the mainstream media.

Speaker 201 Let us deconstruct it for you.

Speaker 96 That includes podcasts.

Speaker 68 Coming up next on your No Agenda Agenda stream, oh, Salty Crayon with some value-for-value music, Upbeats.

Speaker 115 It's a great show if you want to hear some

Speaker 96 cool music that you may not hear anywhere else.

Speaker 166 And end of show mixes from our very own clip custodian, Neil Jones.

Speaker 40 And we've got,

Speaker 80 was it Jeff?

Speaker 103 Jeff and his buddy.

Speaker 53 I'm sorry, I forgot who you were.

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Speaker 8 I'm Adam Curry.

Speaker 1 And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C.

Speaker 149 Dvorak.

Speaker 103 Remember us at NoAgendadonations.com until Thursday, Adios Mo Foza, Huoy Hooi and Sa.

Speaker 160 The planted gun was referred to by the detective as a ham sandwich.

Speaker 178 Every cop that I knew carried a ham sandwich.

Speaker 228 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 4 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 228 A ham sandwich, a clean gun that they would take and put it in like an old pair of

Speaker 48 jeans or breeches or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 37 And they let it sit there and get some lint on it.

Speaker 228 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 4 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 228 A ham sandwich. Grand jury.

Speaker 3 Is where you go to indict the ham sandwich.

Speaker 4 A ham sandwich. Grand jury.

Speaker 4 The ham sandwich.

Speaker 4 Grand jury.

Speaker 4 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 7 The ham sandwich.

Speaker 228 So you carried around a gun to plant on suspects?

Speaker 6 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 228 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 91 A ham sandwich.

Speaker 149 Hey, this was an underground culture.

Speaker 255 They would carry around something they call a ham sandwich, and they would plant that ham sandwich at the scene of officer-involved shootings.

Speaker 7 Because it sounds so official.

Speaker 4 A ham sandwich.

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