Kylie & Ed Sheeran on His Favorite Duets, Raising Their Girl Squads & The Most Feral Kelce | Ep. 26

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Not gonna lie, I'm unsure

how long you have to be away from a beach to stop finding sand on your kids.

And why is it always in their ears?

Ew, let's get this podcast started.

Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, Wave Original, brought to you by Toyota.

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I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey.

Technically, I'm a YouTuber.

Oh, God.

I'm an enjoyer of chocolate, and I can set up a beach umbrella in record time.

Seriously, I tell people to back out.

Like, just

back out of my space.

Don't even intervene.

It's my time.

Coming up on today's episode, I'm going to get honest about a new trend, Feral Child Summer.

And after that, you're going to hear my conversation with one of the best-selling artists in history.

I have so little business speaking to them.

It's the one and only Ed Sheeran.

But before we get to any of that, I have a very special announcement.

This is something the Real Ones have been asking for since the minute we launched the show.

As you can see, we officially have NGL merch.

Woohoo!

That's right.

I resisted as long as I could, but you guys finally convinced me to put my own name on merch.

I'm still not sure about it.

I have to admit, well worth it.

It is the Ripped Rainbow t-shirt.

That's right.

The Ripped Rainbow t-shirt is now available to you in this beautiful NGL blue.

That's what we'll call it.

I would just like to say that Ripped Rainbow, for those of you who don't know, is Wyatt's handiwork with Benny's Rip.

Because why not rip up your sister's artwork?

We also have the lovely...

Not gonna lie, blue crew neck.

Then, oh, there's more.

Wait, there's more.

We have it in white.

Yes, this does go against all my beliefs, but you can wear this when you're not with your children.

Don't wear it with your children.

Don't do that.

You'll never get to wear it again.

Don't do that.

You know, it would be kind of fun though, if you do get a stain on it, just tie-dye it.

Duh.

There's also hats.

Let's see.

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We're not done.

This is the no business being here.

I should wear this everywhere, everywhere I go.

I have no business being there.

Okay.

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The first rollout at NGL with Kylie.

And if you think we're missing something, let us know.

Moving on to a brand new edition of Can I Be Honest?

This week, Can I Be Honest about Feral Child Summer?

Last summer was Brat Summer.

I'm still not 100% sure what Brat Brat Summer meant.

I have to be totally transparent.

Is getting pregnant brat?

Was I Brat last summer?

Why was it green?

Why was Brat green?

Was it just like the album?

These are the things I think when I'm trying to keep up with the younger generation.

It's not going great.

This summer, there's a new trend.

I'm seeing on a lot of parent blogs, TikTok, local news.

It's called Feral Child Summer.

What?

According to an article from the Every Mom, Feral Child Summer seems to refer to a parenting approach that encourages unstructured free play and outdoor time for children during the summer.

Time for kids to reconnect with nature, family, often involves less screen time.

Oh, stop reading it like that, Kylie.

I'm fine.

I'm professional.

No, I'm not.

That's going to be in a blooper reel, isn't it?

Two sides of this.

I love the idea of feral child summer.

I personally, when I was growing up, still remember playing Ghost in the Graveyard, Kick the Can, going out and playing those games in the neighborhood throughout the summer, specifically summer nights.

We used to play it a lot.

I currently will unleash my children into the backyard.

We have a play set.

I will unleash them onto the play set and just sort of like, if one of them ends up digging out a rock, have at it.

If another one ends up climbing up the playset, having a whole play, pretend play situation or scenario made up.

Great.

And I'm totally down for, I was always a bug hunt kid.

If you weren't a bug hunt kid, I'm sorry you missed out on that.

We had stepping stones in our yard growing up that I would go and flip over on my bug hunts to find the roly-polis, centipedes, uh,

earthworms.

I loved that shit.

I love it.

I don't know that I've ever loved Queen Emma input during the episode as much as I love what she just typed into the rundown.

Queen Emma said, and I quote, that's where I found my worms for my pet turtles.

I love it here so much.

I love it.

I love.

Guys, when I hype up Queen Emma, I mean every word.

Perfection.

But seriously, bug hunts were the thing.

The other day, I had to show my kids how to catch fireflies carefully so that you can let them climb.

Everybody knows they climb up to the highest point, same as a ladybug.

If you've caught ladybugs, you know that

they climb.

I can't wait for Brad to just speed this whole part up.

Put it in like

and just me talking about

at it.

I mean, you can shrink and get on to eat it for stocks.

He got easier for obviously the most important.

I was a bug hunt kid, if that wasn't clear.

Guys, I pick up spiders in my house and take them outside.

I don't, I love bugs.

Hate mice.

Hate mice.

I don't use the word hate very often.

Mice can fuck right off.

And I mean that with my whole chest.

My most feral child, I would just like to, I,

for a very long time,

thought for sure it was Elliot.

No one was going to rival her.

She was going to take home the title no matter who came along because she achieved the utmost level of feral.

And then

Bennett turned two.

And that one is

tactical and feral, which is more threatening.

It's more threatening and concerning.

She is the child who is licking surfaces.

It's gross, is what it is.

And also, she's constantly scheming, so that's kind of concerning.

She will purposely do things when you've turned around,

which

seems fucked up.

And that does it for Can I Be Honest.

Moving on, let's get into Doom Scroll of the Week.

As someone who is currently breastfeeding and often in situations where I need to do it in public settings,

don't worry.

Before you freak out and write some dumbass article to be like, Kylie breastfeeds in public.

You're fucking right, I do, but I'm always covered.

And most people wouldn't even know that I'm breastfeeding when I'm breastfeeding in public.

Okay.

If I wasn't covered, that is actually

not a concern of yours.

This TikTok, it hits home.

Queen Emma hit it.

When your father-in-law walks in on you pumping,

the idea of

it being

this person's father-in-law who rolls out, this applies to both Eds.

If you don't know this already, I have a big Ed.

Jason has a big Ed.

Both of our dads are big Ed.

Okay.

My dad, in true big Ed fashion, dad joke through and through, says two Eds are better than one.

Okay.

I'm just going to let him have his moment.

Hardy harhar.

You're hilarious, big Ed.

Now,

both of our big Eds

roll the hell out

at the thought of Finn eating.

Okay.

Finn, a little fussy, does she need to eat?

All of a sudden they disappear.

It's like a flash and suddenly they disappear into thin air.

Okay.

I, my move is,

and if you are a first-time mom or you are not a mom yet or you're,

you need some tips for a friend.

I love the muslin blankets.

I tie two of the corners together and I slip it over my head like a backwards cape.

It's my fourth child.

I feel like I have

figured out how to stay completely covered.

I don't know that over my four children so far, because there's still time with Finn, that I have nip slipped on a breastfeed.

But on more than one occasion,

someone will come in and I will be breastfeeding completely covered.

And someone will be like, oh, I'm sorry.

And I'm like, I don't know what we're apologizing about.

You actually haven't seen my boobs.

So

I will say it does help that I am a proud member of the itty-bitty titty committee.

And it's kind of hard to see a boob past a kid's head anyway.

But I stay covered because that's my choice.

That's my choice.

It's not every woman's choice.

And that's okay.

Now, a lot of people don't know how to act when a woman is breastfeeding, literally anywhere in their vicinity.

But as a mom currently doing it, I've got you covered with my official tips on how to behave when you're around a breastfeeding mother.

Tip number one, continue doing exactly what you were doing before mom started feeding her baby.

This includes not saying any awkward shit or offering unsolicited commentary, feeling free not to run away, remain seated if you were previously, not staring at her boobs, or even the opposite, blatantly staring up at the ceiling.

Don't do that.

You're making it weird.

You're being weird.

Act natural.

If you are in the middle of eating a sandwich, doing a crossword, or spilling some great gossip, you're going to go ahead and keep doing those things.

And that's it.

That's my one tip.

That's it.

That's all you have to do.

Be cool.

Act like you've been there.

Okay.

Just be cool.

Nothing's happening.

It's not weird.

It's not crazy.

You might hear gulping.

It's fine.

We're fine.

The same applies to a woman pumping, no matter how weird it is, that it's going,

it doesn't, you hear nothing.

You see what I'm saying?

Be cool, guys.

And that does it for Doom Scroll the Week.

Ed Sheeran is coming up right after this Toyota minivan mini update.

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I'm also a big fan of the vacuum.

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I could have not fed them in an hour and suddenly there's a pretzel falling out of their shirt.

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He's the Grammy Award-winning diamond-certified singer-songwriter behind some of the most popular songs ever, like in the history of music.

I'm talking about bangers, like thinking out loud, perfect, and shape of you.

He's also got a brand new album called Play coming out in September.

He's part of the Girl Dad Club, and he's officially, not gonna lie, Ed Sheeran, welcome to the show.

How are you doing?

I'm so excited to have you.

It is, we were were talking about your music before the show, and I

feel so strongly that your music specifically reaches all the way through every age group because we were talking to my mom about it the other day.

I absolutely love it.

And my girls just this morning were dancing to Sapphire.

Oh, amazing.

Thank you.

Now, not going to lie.

You are actually the first male guest on the show, apart from my husband.

I actually didn't know that.

I feel honored.

Thank you.

I will say, I I do think that if we were going to have another

male guest on the show, that it's perfect that we made sure that it was a girl dad.

And like you said yourself, you have two daughters.

How old are they?

Four and three.

And how does it feel to have two girls?

Like you said, you are outnumbered in your house.

A lot of estrogen.

I love it.

Like I really, really, really love it.

I didn't really have any expectation of, I think when you are having children, you're just like, I just would like children.

And I didn't have any, it wasn't like, I want this, I want that.

But when we first had our first daughter, it was like,

I don't know, just something clicked.

And I was like, I think I could have many, many, many daughters and be so, so fulfilled and happy.

And I love, I love having two.

I love seeing them interact with each other and with chairs.

And yeah, they're just great.

They're just great.

And also, like, my best mate has had two boys and they live opposite us.

And

there is a stark difference between our two households.

Isn't there?

And they're exactly the same age.

And we kind of like, we have all the same ethos and we hang out all the time, but the energy is different.

It's funny when I compare notes with boy parents.

And I always jokingly say, because people always come up to me and they're like, oh, I actually only have two boys or I have three boys.

And I'm like, I don't, we don't have that recipe.

I don't, I, I've got nothing for you.

And they'll be like, yeah, you know, it's WWE in our household every day.

And I'm like, you know, every so often we get a little tussle here and there.

The girls get like into like a wrestling fit.

But it's, it's few and far between.

Like I said, also it's, it's gentle play as well.

Like

my girls, like yesterday were, they have like this stuffed bunny that they brush.

It doesn't even really have hair, but they're just there brushing this stuffed bunny together.

at the hairdressers.

And then I join the hairdressers and then suddenly I've got a million clips of my hair.

And I had, my mate has had a son.

He's like 18 months and he came around and we I cooked dinner for him and the girls and I sort of turned around to start like doing the dishes and then I turned back around and the house was destroyed like destroyed by this one kid it was amazing now are your girls into

uh anything in particular our girls are very into things like frozen and uh you know this very stereotypical princess

phase of life right now totally although we went through Paris a while ago and we were like let's take him to disneyland paris just because we're there and they didn't really fuck with it it was kind of interesting yeah it was kind of interesting to see it was i thought that they'd be like

but yeah it was uh

it was a cool realization because i i love disney and i love disney movies but like I'm more into I'm more into the music side of it.

I love when they sing Moana tunes.

Like they're learning melodies and lyrics and rhymes through listening to Disney songs because Disney music is top-tier music in general.

Like it is just really, really well-written music.

So yeah, but the actual, like, I don't think they

have signed into like the

obsessiveness of it, which I quite like.

They just really like the music and I guess they'll watch the movies on

we do we take a lot of trains.

My wife doesn't really fly.

So we take a lot of trains and they will watch, you know, Toy Story 1 on a on a train and really dig that.

But then that has amazing Randy Newman music in it as well.

You should ride that train as long as you possibly can because we got in a rotation of watching Frozen.

I shit you not.

I think we watched it

maybe every day for a whole week and I had to put my foot down of like, hey guys, I'm not doing this again.

Do you get a lot of like parent police after this podcast when you've talked about parenting?

I will say I think that we have

We have settled into our demographic of people who understand that

I always say,

I don't know what I'm doing.

I'm winging it.

And so, because we're in this like imperfect place in parenting, I'm not going to do it the way you're going to do it.

You're not going to do it the way I'm going to do it.

And ultimately, that's how we end up with like these beautiful, unique little creatures.

I was just saying, we just did

fundraising events in the shore town that we live in in the last couple of days.

And on an episode recently, I discussed potty training and specifically when you're supposed to stop wiping your kids' ass.

And I had people walking up to me being like, You should have them stop wiping their ass when as soon as possible.

And I'm like, oh, I didn't want to have this conversation in person, actually.

Quite a wild first conversation to have with someone.

And when I tell you, they, I don't even know that one of the people even said hello.

They just, they just jumped right into it.

And I was like, oh my God.

Got it.

Okay.

Yes.

How are you finding like that sort of

transition where everyone obviously knows you so well because they listen to you and they know your personality, but you would have people come out with you not saying hello and just coming with wild shit like that?

Is that like an odd transition?

Odd is the gentlest way to put it.

Did you still live in the same place that you lived in all this time?

Yes.

Same community, same friends, same everything sort of thing.

Yes.

So I grew up in the Philadelphia area.

And luckily, my husband had already fallen in love with Philadelphia before we met because he was playing here for, I think it was like four years before we had even met.

So

I literally grew up in the town that we live in now and

then moved to a neighboring town.

And we love it.

We've obviously put a few other measures in place.

We still live in the same house that we lived in when we got married.

And I'm very much jokingly, like, I don't know if you've seen the Homer Simpson gif where it's like he sinks into the hedges.

That's me.

That is me through and through.

I've always said, like, I started this podcast to be able to set the record straight and you can hear it straight out of my mouth instead of like making up tabloid clickbait.

When did you start it?

Just this past November.

We started.

Oh, wow.

We kicked it off.

So.

Well, congratulations.

I mean, it's a

done amazingly.

No, it's been so much fun.

And I've gotten to talk to so many incredible people.

I joke around like I have and I'm half serious, half kidding, but I have no business talking to you or most of the guests that I've had on have been like these like just massive names and

people who I've admired or looked up to.

And even just sort of like tapping into the things that have interest me and then getting to speak to people and learn more about the things that I've been interested in for a long time and getting getting to learn alongside with the listeners is really, really fun.

It's, it's been exhilarating.

But still, I think I have no business doing this or having this platform.

So we're just waiting.

I think that's most people with success will be like,

it's, I don't really know.

I thought that for the first like few years of my career.

I was just like, I'm pretty sure this is going to end at some point and I should just enjoy it while it's here.

And I've kind of been doing that now for 15 years, being being like, eventually.

I hate to break it to you, Ed.

I don't think the other shoe is going to drop.

I think you're just riding this one to the end.

I very much am in the camp of like,

this has to calm down, right?

I don't think it will.

I don't think it will.

I think that you're obviously like an incredibly likable person.

And I think people have obviously connected to you and are interested in hearing points of view.

And I think that that's a good thing.

I appreciate appreciate it.

It doesn't happen by accident.

I always say when people are like, oh, it's so lucky.

It's so lucky.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity and you were obviously like prepared for the opportunity when it presented itself.

And here we are.

That's very sweet.

Thank you.

I'd love to circle back to your music.

Right.

If we can.

You have your brand new album, Play, coming out in September.

Do you ever play new music for your wife and kids for their feedback?

100%.

Yeah.

100%.

I think that it's like Cherry can kill a song.

She can, I'm actually really careful to play her songs when she's in a good mood.

Cause if she's like,

then in my mind, I'm like, okay, that song's dead.

Like she, she's

dead to me.

No, she's just got a very good taste and read on things.

Like even I would write, I'd say three songs a day, five days a week, and I'll come home and I'll play them.

And she can sift through that pretty easily.

So like when Bad Habits was written, I'd written a bunch of other songs that day.

And I remember I came home, I listened to them all in the car, and I was kind of excited about most of them.

And I played them to her, and she was like, That one, that Bad Habits one, that's the one you should finish tomorrow.

And then I'm like, okay, and then you go in and finish it.

And she's the same with Shivers, same with

which one on this record?

Sapphire, she loved, Azzizam.

She loved, like, yeah, she's got a very good read on stuff.

And also, I think the kids are a good read on things as well.

Even like, even old catalogue stuff, because when I'm away doing shows, Cherry will play my, I have brought out like a, a compilation record in September last year, which has all the hits of mathematics on it.

And when I'm away, she'll play my songs to them to kind of like, I don't know, introduce the music to them slowly.

And it's interesting, the ones that they like gravitate towards.

And it's definitely the ones that are like, that all kids have gravitated towards, I guess.

There's like a certain DNA in songs, I think.

That's awesome.

Have you, is there one song that your daughters lock in on and that they absolutely love?

Sapphire.

And Sapphire from the beginning, like they came to India when I made that record and they were in the studio whilst we were putting like all the tablas and centauris and like, yeah,

yeah, they were, they were there watching all of that happen.

And I think because it's just sapphire and they, I don't know, they know most of the lyrics of that song now.

It's funny when I put it on this morning,

our two-year-old, who is, she's ridiculous and delightfully opinionated, looked at my dad and went, this is my favorite song.

And

we were like, she's heard it a few times, but it was funny that she specifically liked that one she locked in on.

So

I'm glad she has, she's, she's, uh, has similar tastes.

I also think at a certain point, like,

you lose the kids at a certain point, like when you're like, I'm sure when I'm 50, two-year-olds aren't going to be like, that's my song, you know.

Like, it's so, I'm glad that, like, kids are still, like, into the music that I'm making because hopefully, those kids, when they grow up, will want to come to a show and discover all the other music, you know.

Yep, that's what, that's what I really love about touring: you see the multi-generation family come to a gig.

And we, like, purposefully make our tickets, like, not really expensive, so you can come as a family.

I've always said like I want full families to come.

So like

my dad took me to shows as a kid and it's such a lovely bonding experience watching music that he's into as his son and then getting into that music and blah, blah, blah.

And I never really wanted to like, for it just to be like one certain demographic of people.

Now, you've been performing all around the world for years.

I do have to ask, because I have a terrible bias here, but where does Philadelphia land on your list of of favorite cities to perform in?

It's loud.

It's very, very loud.

You've got a big, big screen.

I remember when we played there 2023, it was one of the loudest.

The loudest.

And there was a bit of a cheat code on it, but Detroit.

And we brought on Eminem.

And that was the loudest I've ever heard a crowd, like anywhere in the world.

Like there's never, never been a louder crowd than that.

But I will say it was because I brought Eminem on stage in Detroit.

Like, that's the cheat code.

You, you cracked it right there.

You nailed that.

who would be the cheat code in philly

uh

i mean i think taylor just because she's home yeah yeah um i kind of think taylor anywhere though yeah true i was thinking i was thinking uh when i did the um

when that minem thing happened i was like what would be the loudest crowd um and i was thinking that if one direction had reformed somewhere in south america for like yeah if harry was doing a show or whatever and they all went on stage like i was like i think that would be that would hit it the hardest actually do you know what do you know who amazing reaction was mclemore in seattle who was insane brought him on to do um can't hold us which obviously was their song when they won the um super bowl and that was that was

almost as mental as eminem like it was huge there are artists that i have seen go on tour or announce some uh tour dates and locations and i'll go on to see where they're going and they sort of do like a curve right away from from like the northeast.

And I'm like, oh, but I would like you to come here.

I don't think I've ever not played Philly.

I love it.

That's very sweet.

I like that.

Yeah.

Like I said, extremely biased.

Extremely biased.

And I own it.

Also, that's what I like about Philly in general is the like pride there.

It's kind of like, what I love about it is it's basically like, fuck everyone else.

Like, it's us.

We are.

We are it.

And I felt, I felt that in Detroit as well.

There's like a there's a real like

this is us.

It's like it's like gritty.

Like you get us as you get us.

If you don't like it, fuck off.

Yeah.

It's really simple.

But the good thing is, is that we super friendly though.

Like you are very welcoming.

I feel all.

Because if you're with us, you're with us.

Yeah.

And we'll ride with you.

But I find it's really easy to amp a crowd up in Philly because I'll just be like, oh, I was just in New York and they were louder than you.

And then people don't like that.

Can't let that happen.

Can't let that happen.

If you ever really want to get them, just say, like, someone tried to tell me to be a Dallas fan and I told them to fuck off.

So why?

And then Dallas.

Like, Dallas isn't near you.

Why, why Dallas?

They are in the NFC East with us.

Right.

And it's just, it just so happens that they're our biggest rival.

I think it fits perfectly because, like you're saying, Philly is so passionate about like, we'll ride together.

And Dallas has made themselves into like the idea of being America's team.

Interesting.

Which I just I have to vehemently disagree with.

But

I always like people will meet people who are Giants fans who are also in the NFC East.

So the same conference.

And it's funny because I will tell them.

They'll be like, I'm so sorry.

I'm a Giants fan.

I'm like, oh, well, at least we can agree.

Fuck Dallas.

And it's like a very good bonding moment, honestly.

Have you gotten into American football at all?

I know you spent a lot of time in the U.S.

I'm a Titans fan from when I lived, I moved to Nashville for Taylor's Red Tour in 2013.

And, you know, I got a place there and I went to Walmart to buy bits to move in.

And I just bought some pajamas.

And then when I got home, I was wearing the pajamas.

And then when someone was around, they were like, oh, you're a Titans fan.

And I was like, well, guess I am.

So since then, Titans.

And, you know, it's been,

it's very similar to my soccer club back home.

You know, they're never,

they're always the bridesmaid.

Actually, I wouldn't even say they're the bridesmaid.

I'd say they're kind of like they're invited to the tower girl.

They're invited, they're invited to the wedding.

Oh,

okay.

You know, got it.

But, but I do think what's lovely about the NFL is

like anything can happen because of the like first draft stuff.

Like, I remember watching, my only experience of the NFL when I was a child was Homer Simpson wanting to buy the Dallas Cowboys, and he got given the Denver Broncos.

And I remember him being like, oh, the Denver Broncos.

And then the Denver Broncos won the Super Bowl.

And I was like, I thought they were meant to not be a good team.

The Simpsons told me, you know, I'll go based on Simpsons' facts.

I would like the Lions to win it first, though.

I feel like Detroit are like on the edge of greatness.

So I'd like to go.

They turned it around massively recently.

Yeah.

But I'd like, so I'd like them to win it first.

Okay.

And like Eagles are somewhere in there.

You just won it.

Like, give it a rest.

You've won it.

And you won it a couple of years ago as well.

Like, you've been winning.

We did win it a couple of years ago.

But that was the first one ever.

I know, I know.

But, you know, like

my team, well, we just, we just got relegated from the Premier League into the championship.

But if we won the Premier League, I'm dining out on that for the rest of my life.

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Now, all the listeners to Not Gonna Lie know that I'm a big doom scroller.

And one of the most delightful things that I've doom scrolled upon has to be Ellie Banky's song cover

on TikTok.

Yeah.

I am so excited that you guys got together and did a duet.

It was incredible.

She's such a sweet person as well.

And like, she flew over with her family and a partner.

And yeah, we spent the day together.

We did the duet.

She did a, I did a like,

I presented you to an award that night.

And then I threw them an after-party afterwards in an Irish bar and had a big Irish jam.

And Ellie came to that with her family as well, which I think, and then she sung Dive with me.

And it was, it was really cool, actually.

She's great.

Now,

I think truly there is an opportunity here.

We spoke about Disney and how much you love Disney music.

I feel like

she could be the live-action version of Merida.

Wow.

Yeah.

I think that would be cool.

I just think that she's got the hair.

Yeah.

And her, no, correct me.

I'm not quite sure how to explain that.

They're not doing a live action of that.

No, but I'm saying they need to get it rolling and they need to cast her.

I'm just saying,

I think she should have one foot in the door on an audition.

That would be insane.

That would be insane.

And a really good idea as well.

She specifically has, she sings one of the tracks from Brave, which I think is an underrated soundtrack.

She sings one of the songs.

It's so beautiful.

What I like about that movie as well is they didn't make a sequel.

It is just perfect as is left.

Yes.

That's the story.

That's the music done.

Yes, I agree.

I just think that her, like the,

again, correct me if I'm wrong in the way that I describe this, or you can give me the proper terms here.

But the clarity when she sings, I love when people have like a little bit of like rasp or like something,

but the clarity when she sings is so clean.

But it's

got soul as well.

It's got, it's got feeling in it.

It's not just like clinically good.

She's just

really soulful.

Yeah, she's a really supreme talent.

And yeah, I'm really happy to have

met her and worked with her.

It was beautiful.

And the duet was, I mean, exactly what we all wanted.

So

I think it's for everyone that commented on that TikTok to be like.

This is what I love about the internet: it makes stuff so possible and accessible.

And you can kind of reach anyone with anything.

Like people power is like a real thing at the moment.

Now,

obviously, that was a beautiful duet.

You've done many other duets.

Is there a duet that you have done that has stood out to you as your favorite or one of your favorites?

Yeah, I think, well, if it's a recorded song, then I think

Beyonce and also Andrea Bocelli on Perfect were both very different experiences, but both amazing experiences.

But I think the first time that I sung with Beyoncé, we did a Stevie Wonder tribute where we did a Master Blaster together with Gary Clark Jr.

And like

sometimes I get

a bit, I don't know, like self-doubty and low and kind of, you know,

I think being like, oh, it's my career on the downward slope, or blah, blah, blah.

And that is a video that I'll go to and watch and be like, but that was pretty cool.

Like, no one can take that away from me.

You know, know, that's like one of those videos that I'll always go back to to like remind myself that I've done some pretty fun stuff.

And again, another one would be like bringing M ⁇ M on in Detroit.

That's like another one.

If I need a little like, you're all right.

We've done some cool shit.

Like, yeah.

Gives you a little boost.

Yeah.

And sometimes you need that.

Sometimes you need reminding that, like, even if stuff isn't like great at the moment, like the accumulation of things over the years that think people can't take those moments away from you, you know?

I do think it's interesting to hear you say that sometimes you need, need those little bumps because

you're having like the normal human experience of like,

like, what's going on?

Where am I going?

Like a little lull might send you into like, let me, let me reminesce a little bit and bring the vibes back up.

Totally.

I think, I think nostalgia, like good nostalgia like that is really healthy and helpful.

And I think that, I think it's also just navigating adult life because sometimes it's not even just based on a like career thing of, um, you know, sometimes I'll put out a song that doesn't work, or I'll have a show that doesn't sell out, or like blah blah blah, like something will happen, and I'll be you know, overthinking in my head, but it's not just that, I think it's just being a parent and then wondering how

much I should be working and how much I should be at home.

And then when you're at home too much, you're like, Oh, should I be working?

Well, it's like a constant balance of like what is the right thing to do.

And I want my kids to know the value of hard work, but not at the detriment of me not being there.

And it's kind of like a balance of, I don't know.

My husband and I have had that conversation a lot,

specifically because when he retired from football, we knew his schedule in football was a set schedule.

He was home at a certain time each day of the week.

And

now that he's retired, he took on a lot of things.

He's been sort of...

figuring out exactly where he wants to put his energy in.

It's interesting because this will be the most busy time of his life figuring out what he wants to do.

And then it'll settle again into a rhythm and a groove.

But definitely, like, I can imagine being a professional sportsman his whole life.

And then that ends.

And then you go, fuck, well, what is the next thing?

And then you have to try many different things to then find out what the next thing is.

Like,

yeah.

It must be a lot of fun.

Well, he has that same dilemma.

And we've had the conversation a number of times of like, well,

in an effort to find what that next thing is or what those next few things are, what

at what cost, right?

Like at what time do you say like, yes, I'm showing my kids hard work, determination, all of those things and modeling it.

But then at the same time, making sure that balance of like, that you're home and that you're there to color and that you're there in the morning to get your day started.

I would say that a couple of Super Bowls in a trophy at home probably do that as well.

Like, and I find that as well, looking at my career, like the accumulation of all the things that I've done, sometimes I'm like, oh, actually, like, I'm striving to be like, I've got to show them this, got to show them.

When actually, like, it's kind of all there already.

And maybe it's like you work 40% less, you're home a bit more.

And

yeah.

We'll figure it out.

I don't think we will, but I think that's fine.

I think that's fine.

I'm going to keep telling myself we'll figure it out.

Parenthood is basically figuring it out until they've left home.

And then you go, oh, that's that.

Yep.

Oh, we did it.

Good luck.

Now there's something else that I've been very excited to talk to you about.

I didn't even realize that we had in common, but I did hear you say that Love Actually is one of your top three favorite movies of all time.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

I actually,

like,

I love good stuff.

that's popular.

Like, I just, I like it.

I like, I think Titanic's a great film.

I think Love Actually is a great.

I don't subscribe to this thing when people are like, hey, who are your favorite artists?

And they're like, oh, well, this person with like 20 plays.

It's actually like, who is actually your favorite artist?

What is actually your favorite film?

Love Actually is on every single Christmas in our household.

So it's got to be one of my favorite.

It has to be.

I watch it once a year.

There's no other film that I watch once a year.

My husband and brother-in-law are,

they had to watch it for the other podcast

and

they shit on it so so hard.

Jason specifically

really, he didn't see what we see in it, I think.

Um,

I don't know if it's a good thing.

He tried to say,

he tried to say, he tried to say that because

in the storylines, that it's like all of these people, it's not like good, clean family holiday movie, right?

Like it's like these different scandals and stuff.

And I'm like, it's different shades of love and betrayal and hurt and heartache.

It's Love isn't just happiness.

Love is all of those things.

Yes.

Mate.

Tell them.

That movie is, I just think,

perfect.

And also the guy that made that movie wrote yesterday that movie that I was in and lives in the village that I live in.

I see him all the time.

And he said that movie was originally seen and then seen and then seen and then seen as in like it wasn't all jumbled up.

And then and they didn't really know how to do it, and then they just chopped it up and put it in different orders, and then that's what then, but originally it was just you know, seven different stories one after the other, which is kind of mad, right?

Well, they absolutely nailed it, they nailed when they chopped it up.

That's your favorite uh storyline, yeah.

That's that's hard.

Um, Colin first

writing the book,

honestly,

how did you

know this one?

It's the most romantic one, it's great.

I just, when they're sitting sitting in the car

and they're like both speaking in their own languages

and he's so uncomfortable about it and she's just like sort of like,

this is ridiculous.

Like you can feel how she's like,

why are you freaking like, why are you being so weird?

And he's like, doesn't know what to say.

And then he tries to speak.

I mean, it's just.

It's just great.

I love it.

It's so great.

Did you watch About Time?

Did you see that one?

I have not.

That's another one.

That's that one.

Yeah, so Richard Curtis, who did Four Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hill, Love Actually, he did this film called About Time, which is heartbreaking.

Like, lovely, but heartbreaking.

About Time.

Yeah, it's a guy that can basically like travel back in time.

And he like, you know, remeets his wife all over and over again.

He like spends time with his dad all over and over again.

It's really, really heartwarmingly heartbreaking.

Okay, maybe I can get Jason to buy into that one.

I'll try.

All right.

The last question I have for you is usually a question I ask my fellow mom guests, but I'm excited to get the dad version.

What is the best piece of fatherhood advice that you have ever received?

Oh my God.

I don't know really.

Is there any go-to advice that you give to first-time dads?

I just think always be the one that makes the breakfast in the morning.

Always be the one that gets up first and let your partner have a lion and do the breakfast.

Because also that's the the time of the day that your kids are

the least

angry because they're rested and they wake up and it's fun and you do all the morning tasks, putting away all the washing up from the day before and then you make the breakfast and you eat the breakfast and it's also like an act of kindness, service, whatever, because your partner gets to have a lion, but also then you get the golden moments in the morning when your kids are like calm and happy.

Aren't they just the best in the morning?

I say it all the time they're their best selves in the morning yeah they're like sweet and cuddly and their voices are like gentle

scream as well so i'm like handing them plates and they're putting the plates away and i'm like you're making my job easier and also we're like spending time together and yeah so yeah i would yeah i'd say always do the morning shift like i love the i love the i actually love the morning shift and the evening shift reading 40 different stories and having someone like fall asleep on your shoulder is actually really lovely.

Oh, yeah.

Jason is very much the book reader because right now I'm running around

sort of picking up at night and then taking care of our youngest because she's three months old.

So we're still very much attached.

You're in the trenches.

We are.

So he, especially recently, the girls will like, maybe one more.

And then I check in.

When you said at the beginning, you were like, I'm running on not a lot of sleep.

I get it now.

I get it.

Yeah.

It's, it's i always i always like to give the warning uh but yeah we're we're very much in the trenches and jason gets talked into like book after book after book and every so often i'll i'll just be like i'll hear him from the other room and i get to listen to him reading the stories and the girls reactions and he does like all the voices for them and stuff and so it's so much fun to listen to it really is it really is the best and i i say to like this is something that i i annoy my friends with and i annoy cherry with but i'm always saying we're living in the good old days we like what is happening now like that that moment you have with your husband you're listening that's a moment that in 30 years time you'll go oh man wasn't that nice and you're actually like living it at at the time and I feel like it's the thing about like our kids sleeping in our bed and and and stuff like that they always end up in our bed and I'm like but eventually they won't be like this is like a time where we should you know they're just there and we're in enjoying it and these these are the days where like, we really will miss them.

And they also go by so fast.

It's suddenly like kids starting school and then that's it.

They're just now they're getting grown up and making friends and blah, blah, blah.

And yeah.

That's when one of the strangest realizations recently, our oldest is going to go to kindergarten next year.

And I always have this moment of, well, now she's going to be in school.

Our kids are the same.

Our oldest are the same age.

Our oldest is five now.

When we're in Philly, we've got to

get them together.

I mean chaos.

Girl squad.

Girl squad.

Girl squad.

Yeah, we have five, four, two, three months.

Oh my god, you got four.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

I joke around with my friends.

They could drop their kids off, drive 30 minutes before I realize their kid is there and then they're 30 minutes away.

They don't have to come back.

So I'll just take them.

Add them into the pack.

Well, this is the thing.

I think once it gets past three, you might as well have eight.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, it's

we're in a constant state of chaos.

Do you think you're done at four?

I sure hope so.

Every single time I always wanted four, I feel like four is like this

manageable chaos.

Yeah.

And, and also, like, each one has each one.

And then, and then also, that's a really nice Thanksgiving table when they've all got partners and you know, right, there's 10 people around the table.

That's an that's a nice manageable table.

Yes.

And your house will feel full.

Yeah.

Like your house will always feel full.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Also, I'm hedging my bets.

Like you're going out of four.

We got to get like,

we got to get a like, we can't, we're, we're,

we can't mess all of them up, right?

You got full girls.

Yeah, we're all girls.

I love that.

Yes.

That's good.

That's a good energy in the house.

Like right?

Yeah.

We'll keep it going.

But yes, we should get the kids together when you're in Philly because

they love making new friends and

they're a good time.

Thank you so much for being on today.

I loved it.

It was so great to talk to you.

I am such a, like I said, a huge fan of your music.

Our whole family is.

And

we are so excited to hear the new album play out in September, but enjoying the singles that you've released thus far.

So thank you so much.

This was a really, really enjoyable experience.

I loved it.

Just feels like wholesome and lovely.

And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie.

You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Ed Sheeran on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday.

Ed's new album, Play, comes out September 12th.

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