Kylie & Michelle Obama on Prom at The White House, Destined Girl Dads & Roster Height Lies | Ep. 15

Speaker 1 I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 This sweatshirt is a 3x

Speaker 1 team issued to my husband.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Well, because

Speaker 1 nothing else fits. So

Speaker 1 let's get this podcast started.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie A Wave Original brought to you by Liquid Death. Yep, sounds scary.
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Speaker 1 I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I'm tall.
I'm an Aries. I'm pretty sure.
And I'm officially a minivan driver.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 It happened. Do I look pleased? It's actually a really smooth ride.
And the girls are so excited about the fact that the doors open without anyone touching them.

Speaker 1 And they can climb in and out by themselves. And

Speaker 1 the positivity surrounding it is

Speaker 1 annoying, including my own. I don't want to talk about it.
I'm not ready.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Coming up on today's episode, I was inspired by a TikTok that perfectly sums up being 38 weeks pregnant.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to share my personal late pregnancy challenges in Doom Scroll of the Week. Then I'm going to be joined by someone I may just have the least business talking to in the entire world:

Speaker 1 the former first lady, Michelle Obama. We also have some NGL award news.
Not gonna lie, has officially won best emerging podcasts at the iHeart Podcast Awards.

Speaker 1 You see,

Speaker 1 I told you guys to vote for Caleb.

Speaker 1 But thank you so much. I am honored.
I will say, as much as I

Speaker 1 was rooting for Caleb,

Speaker 1 our whole team at Not Gonna Lie

Speaker 1 and Wave,

Speaker 1 they deserve this recognition. So

Speaker 1 this is not a me thing.

Speaker 1 This is my team thing.

Speaker 1 Queen Emma, Queen Nicole, Greg, Brad. They're the people who won this award.
So I really,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 it's them. It's not me.
I'm just

Speaker 1 the talking head.

Speaker 1 Moving on this week, I doom scrolled my way to the perfect TikTok that sums up what it's really like to be 38 weeks pregnant.

Speaker 1 And as someone who is currently right in that area, let's just say this hits.

Speaker 1 From John Hartman 1 on TikTok. Queen Emma, roll the clip.
I just cut my underwear off because I didn't want to take my pants off.

Speaker 1 And they are now. That's perfectly logical.
First First of all, he thought he was doing something by trying to expose

Speaker 1 her

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 her

Speaker 1 really honestly smart and logical decision. Okay.

Speaker 1 He thought that he was going to be like, oh, people, this is absurd. And I haven't got, I didn't dive into those comments, but I'm going to let you know my own comments.

Speaker 1 Power to you, girl. You can always get another pair of underwear, but the idea of having to bend over to get it down past your knees.

Speaker 1 We're not doing some wiggle nonsense to get them down without really like getting them over your knees, right?

Speaker 1 There have been some ridiculous times that I've had during pregnancy that are similar to this. I can't say that I've ever cut off my underwear,

Speaker 1 but I have had times where I will disappear and come back in

Speaker 1 like a robe

Speaker 1 or a dress. And Jason will be like, why did you just change your clothes? And I have to explain to him that the feeling of anything touching my belly

Speaker 1 in a restrictive way, aka a band from pants or underwear, is too much to bear. This is also right around the time as women that we start googling ways to induce labor.
That's right.

Speaker 1 I've said it multiple times to anyone that I've spoken to. I'm doing sprints next week.

Speaker 1 You can't stop me. Fortunately, for all the listeners, I have asked my OBs

Speaker 1 about the most common methods: stuff like drinking herbal teas, eating dates, acupuncture, spicy food.

Speaker 1 Oh, how I wish. I will say, my OBs have explicitly told me

Speaker 1 no castor oil.

Speaker 1 So if that comes up on your induction suggestions, the ways to induce labor at home, opt out.

Speaker 1 I'm going to tell you the reason I was told not to do that. Very simple.
A simple explanation. I'm not going to get into it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 I was told it makes labor messy.

Speaker 1 Ain't nobody got time for that. We're not doing that.

Speaker 1 Before I wrap up this segment, you're getting a doom scroll double feature because I doom scrolled my Instagram so hard, I landed on a photo of me that seems to have resurfaced.

Speaker 1 I posted this years ago,

Speaker 1 but an Instagram account at Kelsey Brothers just reposted it with the caption, you think Travis and Jason are impressive? Meet baby Kylie. That's me.

Speaker 1 That's legitimately me.

Speaker 1 When I posted this photo, I posted it with the caption. A couple weeks ago, my grandmother asked me, mind you, my grandmother at this point in her life had dementia.

Speaker 1 How big were you when you came out?

Speaker 1 I told her that I was 12 pounds one ounce and showed her the picture. And she laughed and said, I knew you were huge.
Thanks, meme.

Speaker 1 I weighed 12 pounds one ounce when I came out, and this photo is not distorted. That is genuinely how round my face was and how little visibility I had.
I

Speaker 1 have been told that at the time of my delivery, I, the doctor who delivered me, I was his largest baby he had ever delivered.

Speaker 1 I have since been dethroned by a 14 pounder. I'm not bitter.
I'm a little bitter. I want to talk to that mom.

Speaker 1 Really, I want to, I want to make sure she's okay.

Speaker 1 My parents, I don't think were very surprised that I came out that large. My sister was 9'5 and broke her collarbone on the way out.

Speaker 1 So the minute they told my mom that I was going to be bigger, my mom said,

Speaker 1 just,

Speaker 1 that's a forward exit. That's an exit.

Speaker 1 I want you to just, whoop,

Speaker 1 slice me open. I'm pretty sure that Jason, I don't know about Travis.
I'm pretty sure that Jason was

Speaker 1 six pounds, some ounces. He was a little bit early.
I want to say,

Speaker 1 I'm going to get this wrong, but I've heard conflicting stories from every, from Jason, Donna, and Ed. So I'm just going to go with the

Speaker 1 average. I would say he was about two weeks early.

Speaker 1 Don't quote me.

Speaker 1 I don't know about Travis either, but I do know that Travis was definitely like the chunk in all their baby photos was definitely like the chunkier kid, which clearly he stretched, he stretched out and same.

Speaker 1 It's that second kid.

Speaker 1 We're built tough.

Speaker 1 We had the same situation with Ellie. Wyatt was 8-7.

Speaker 1 Ellie was 8-13. And she was just built.

Speaker 1 sturdy. And I swear that it was the universe trying to make sure that she could survive Wyatt.

Speaker 1 And I'm never going to, I stand by that. And that does it for Doom Scroll of the Week.
You guys know that I'm very passionate about charitable efforts.

Speaker 1 We've been trying to make sure that we can tie those into,

Speaker 1 not going to lie. And I'm not going to lie, the best we could come up with for a segment name in a pinch was charity and yap.
That's right.

Speaker 1 I'm about to yap about a charity that I feel very strongly about, an event that is called the Night of Too Many Stars. And alongside that is an auction.
Jason and I have

Speaker 1 submitted an auction item. You can actually win, I don't know if it's winning, but you can win an opportunity to go to dinner with Jason and I in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 And if anyone knows about the food scene in Philadelphia,

Speaker 1 At the very least, it might be, you might be having dinner with two very dull individuals, but the food is guaranteed to be outstanding wherever we choose.

Speaker 1 The event, Night of Too Many Stars, is a live comedy show benefiting autism programs all throughout the country. It benefits the foundation Next for Autism, started by the Smeigel family in New York.

Speaker 1 They have a personal connection to autism.

Speaker 1 The funds raised support Next for Autism's national grants programs focused on initiatives that support Autistic adults in the areas of work, home, and social well-being. Anyone who works with

Speaker 1 the neurodiverse community knows that one of the most difficult transitions to make is from school age, which oftentimes will be until an individual is 21 years of age.

Speaker 1 and transitioning them out of school into the workforce or

Speaker 1 living independently. So Next for Autism makes it a point to support that community.
I have actually had the opportunity to attend the event last year. It was outstanding.

Speaker 1 The comedians that were there were so funny.

Speaker 1 And it was so encouraging to get into a room where so many people had dedicated their time and volunteered their humor for such an incredible cause, something that you guys know is very near and dear to my heart.

Speaker 1 And I am so happy to have another opportunity to support a foundation that is doing great work in the autism community.

Speaker 1 If you're in the New York area, the night of too many stars is Monday, March 31st at the Beacon Theater. Tickets are still available.
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She's the former First Lady of the United States.

Speaker 1 She led public health and education initiatives like the Let's Move campaign and Reach Higher. She's currently the founder of the Girls Opportunity Alliance.

Speaker 1 She's also an author, podcaster, wife, and a mother. I cannot believe I'm saying this right now.
Michelle Obama, welcome to Not Gonna Lie. Hey, Kylie, look at you.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie, Mrs. Obama, this is a pretty surreal moment for me.

Speaker 1 I feel like we manifested this a little bit. I think so.
That's how it works, right? Yes.

Speaker 1 But I have always been

Speaker 1 such a fan of just sort of the way that you carry yourself and it

Speaker 1 in sort of the election cycle and where it hit in my life.

Speaker 1 It was like the first time I was able to register to vote at 18. Wow.
Was the first election that I was able to vote for your husband.

Speaker 1 But then seeing you as a powerful figure alongside him as a partner was like such

Speaker 1 an outstanding image of like female empowerment. And I just remember that at like 18 years old that it sits in my brain really heavily.
So I'm so excited to get to talk to you.

Speaker 1 I want to start off by talking about something that you just announced and I'm so excited for you.

Speaker 1 You have a brand new podcast with your brother Craig called IMO. Yes,

Speaker 1 I'm following in your footsteps. I mean, you're killing the game out here.
I don't know about that, but we're just, we're winging it. Yeah.
Well, that's the fun part of podcasting. It is.
It's,

Speaker 1 you know, this is the first time we've entered into this space in a major way. I did a podcast after my first book, Becoming, which was really based more on

Speaker 1 the sort of focus of the book, the story of my life in the White House. But this is a bit different because it's a lot more free-flowing.
You know, IMO, it's in my opinion.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I think a lot like you, it's like folks have, you're finding they have a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 Times are uncertain.

Speaker 1 People are always looking for some kind of answers because I think we think someone's got wisdom out there.

Speaker 1 And it just, it's, it, it eases our minds, I think, if we can just talk about this stuff. Now, how far apart in age are you and your brother? We're about a year and a half.
So we're really so awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're, we're, we're close. We've been close from the very beginning.
And, you know, we also just lost our mom

Speaker 1 about a year ago.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so it's kind of strange that we are now the elders. You know, I mean, when you lose both your parents and we were, we lost our dad earlier.
We were both in our 20s when my dad died.

Speaker 1 And my mom has held it down for us through all these crazy parts in our lives. You know, the White House years,

Speaker 1 you know, she got us through those years.

Speaker 1 But when you lose your parent, you know, you're always kind of wondering, what on earth do I know?

Speaker 1 My mom is not here anymore. And, you know, I don't know about you, but

Speaker 1 I'm just now feeling kind of like an adult that knows something.

Speaker 1 You know, and I. Does it not feel like it's all of the wisdom that she has imparted on you? It's there, but until you activate it, you don't realize that it's just been there brewing all along.

Speaker 1 I find that I'm having that conversation with the girls now. I mean, my girls are, you know, they're adults.

Speaker 1 They're living on their own, if you can believe that, going from these little girls that people saw on the stage at at the first inauguration, they're grown women in the world.

Speaker 1 But a lot of our conversation now is like, when do you feel like an adult? When does it happen? They think, like, is there the magic switch that makes you say, yeah, I'm adulting? And I was like, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 1 It's not there. I still, I still, on my fourth child, I'm like, how am I old enough to have four kids? You know, and when you leave the hospital with that baby, you think,

Speaker 1 are you guys for real? You're letting us?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 You're going to let us get in a car with this precious baby. Yes.

Speaker 1 I think the sadness or the postpartum that I felt with my kids really came from like you love these babies so much. You immediately you're connected and you think, oh my God, all you have is me.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I feel so bad for you. I wish you had a parent.

Speaker 1 You deserve more because I don't know anything. And now I'm in charge.

Speaker 1 This is like my inner dialogue. It is.
You know, and you're doing it a fourth time. I just had to stop.
You know, I was like, I think, you know, I think I've been lucky with these two.

Speaker 1 I, you know, Barack was like, we should have a third. And I was like, dude.

Speaker 1 Well, two good sleepers. I'd call it two.
You know, I'm thinking we're going to get a crazy one. That's it.
It's just the roll of the dice. So I, I, you know, I admire your courage.

Speaker 1 you're on number four you know and you know you don't you know you you don't know what you're gonna get no no it's always a toss-up i call our first initiation because she didn't sleep for the first six months of her life unless she was touching another human being i'm like maybe that's why i keep going i'm like that was bad i got through it

Speaker 1 it's it's that is yeah it is always a toss-up you're like i don't know what this one's going to be like yeah yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're about to find out and they show you pretty early they're like oh right away i have an attitude that's it our oldest i still remember the second day in the hospital we had all of our all the grandparents were in the room and she just decided to let her rip she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i was laying in the bed as a first-time mom like

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 how do you how do i stop someone where's the off button here and all the grandparents were like

Speaker 1 and no one knew what, they were like, do we intervene? What happens here? It was, and that was the moment I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 yep. No one knows what they're doing.
Really? No, but she's taught me a level of patience I didn't know I had. And she's like, she's going to rule the world.

Speaker 1 She's, she's going to, yeah, I'm excited to see what she does. Yeah.
And you have girls too. All girls.
All girls. All girls.
That's because that's what your husband deserved. Yes.

Speaker 1 Everything in his life. That's what I told Barack.
I was like, you know, the karma was like, dude, you need a bunch of women in your life to take care of you.

Speaker 1 That's it. No, to do a little smacking around.
When I say take care of you, I mean like handle you.

Speaker 1 Yes, like handle you.

Speaker 1 People kept sending me a clip. online that someone uh there was a news outlet that did a report on girl dads and how they live longer yeah yeah and i was like of course they do they they

Speaker 1 have women being like, are you serious right now? Are you going out like that? Yeah. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Are you okay?

Speaker 1 Get it together. Yep.
That's, yeah, he now has five of us. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 That's right. He brought me to talk.
That's it. Now, you, of course, raised your daughters in the White House.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't know about you, but my kids draw on the couches, the walls, the stairs, everywhere.

Speaker 1 Did you have any moments in the White House where like your girls were true kids and you were like, oh, crap?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but well, because you know, they spent, they've lived in the White House longer than they lived anywhere. I mean, you really, they grew up in the White House.
All right.

Speaker 1 So you're thinking the little years, like when you have full control, the younger years, when you have control, and the worst thing that they do is write on a wall um draw on surfaces yeah my my kids were teenagers in the white house yes i mean those years were just like okay

Speaker 1 you want to go where and do what and there's prom and you got to learn how to drive and you have to be normal and you're going to a party and was there alcohol and you have agents and now you have a boyfriend and uh

Speaker 1 and trying to do all that right and allow them to be normal kids right just you know just just the process of making sure they knew how to drive when they are have been driven by men in armored cars with guns you know because they have full they had full details right their whole life um

Speaker 1 and so I'm trying to make sure because at the end of this eight years, they don't that you know, they don't continue to live that life.

Speaker 1 So when we entered, I'm thinking, how do I make sure that they're normal and ready when this is all over? Right.

Speaker 1 And they have to get on a bus and make their own plane reservations and live in an apartment and have decent friends and be sane in the world.

Speaker 1 And you start realizing that in the teen years because I wanted to give my girls enough rope to live and be normal teenagers, but I was also worrying about them turning up on page six because they were doing what normal kids would do without that many eyes on them.

Speaker 1 Without that many eyes on them. And they grew up with social media, which was different from any other of the younger

Speaker 1 kids who had grown up in the White House.

Speaker 1 When you think of Chelsea and Amy Carter and even the Bush daughters who were in college, but it was really Chelsea and Amy who were kids, but there wasn't social media, right?

Speaker 1 There weren't cameras everywhere, you know, every party that they'd go to.

Speaker 1 You know, we'd have to build a real community of trust around them so that, because I didn't want them sitting home on Saturday night, not understanding what it was like to be out and have a life before they went to college, right?

Speaker 1 Right. So it was really those years, you know, were the stressful ones.
I mean, it was like... Get the crayon on the wall.
I'll take some crayon on the wall, you know.

Speaker 1 The magic eraser will handle that.

Speaker 1 And I think Sasha was driving one time because once they got their license, I told the agents, they have to drive. Right.
You know, I'm sorry, but you only learn to drive by driving. Yes.

Speaker 1 You can't learn it through osmosis in the back seat of an armored car. So once they got their license, we

Speaker 1 got a car for them. And then the agents had to figure out they have to follow this teenager now to school, to parties, to, and it worked out.
But one time, Sasha got T-boned.

Speaker 1 Literally, her car totaled. Some lady T-boned her.
And you get this call that Sasha was in an accident. The car was totaled.
And then I thought, ooh, I hope the lady that hit her is okay.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine, right? Yes. It's like, you T-bone like Sasha Obama.
Yes. And then their agents.
So I'm also like thinking about them in the world, Right. Right.

Speaker 1 So, you know, the day-to-day kind of challenges that any parent has with teenagers, we had it on 100. Amplified.
Right. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I longed for the days when, you know,

Speaker 1 just right on the wall, will you? We can wash that off. You know, I just, I just was, I was so glad when we got out of the White House.

Speaker 1 Not, you know, it was just like I wanted them to have the freedom of not having the

Speaker 1 eyes of the world on them.

Speaker 1 I mean, they still are dealing with paparazzi and being who they are and trying to, you know, cover up their own identity, but they got a lot of practice in those years in the White House.

Speaker 1 And so when people ask me, would I ever run? The answer is no.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, you, you, then if you ask me that, then you have absolutely no idea the sacrifice that your kids make when your parents are in that role.

Speaker 1 Not only am I not interested in politics in that way, but the thought of putting my girls back into that, you know, that spotlight when they are just now establishing themselves.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, okay, I think we've done enough. Question asked and answered, never going to happen.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's such a true mom answer that like, you're like, how will this impact

Speaker 1 the really your kids? And they've already been in, you know, they've already served their time

Speaker 1 in very formative years. And you were very tactical about how you approached that.
And so to then do it again would be,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 it'd be, it would be unthinkable. Nope.

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Speaker 1 One of the reasons you're someone I look up to so much is because you're the perfect example of a woman making a name for herself beyond what her husband does for work.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'm such a supporter of your Let's Move campaign and the work you did to promote healthy eating and exercise for kids because obviously,

Speaker 1 being someone who was physically active growing up, I really saw a point in eating healthy, fueling your body, and focusing on just moving.

Speaker 1 Why was that cause so important to you?

Speaker 1 Well, you know,

Speaker 1 I experienced the challenges in this environment of fast food and more sedentary lifestyles and

Speaker 1 all that my generation of parents were facing that was new, that was leading to

Speaker 1 a childhood obesity crisis.

Speaker 1 It was real, And I saw it early on as a working mom with my husband traveling. You know, he was a state senator when the kids were little.
Then he was a U.S. senator.

Speaker 1 So he was, he would, like you, you know, I had a husband that had to travel a lot. And

Speaker 1 I had a full-time job.

Speaker 1 So when you're a single, when not a single parent, but when you're, you know, we called football season single parent season. You know, right?

Speaker 1 As a political season single parent right yes you know you're you're relying on juice boxes doing a lot of process stuff trying to get things quick and and easy and i saw the effects on my daughter primarily malia at the time um because her you know her the doctors were saying whoa let's let's make sure that we're thinking about her diet in a way that I hadn't, you know, I was buying what was being sold to me, right?

Speaker 1 The conveniences of parenthood, right?

Speaker 1 And that had an effect.

Speaker 1 So we started making changes that were really simple, you know, no sugary drinks. We had the kids drinking milk and water.
They were always active.

Speaker 1 We cut out all processed foods, you know, no more.

Speaker 1 cheese dust in a box, you know, if you were going to have macaroni and cheese, it would be real pasta, real cheese, you know, just small common changes. And within months, her health numbers flipped.

Speaker 1 And I thought, oh my God, here I am, this highly educated person out in the world with all these degrees. And I didn't realize that we were facing this kind of dilemma.

Speaker 1 And I thought, now this would, this should be something that everyone should be able to get behind, creating a healthier generation.

Speaker 1 Because I was also thinking about about my platform and it's like, okay, I don't want to do something divisive. My husband's going to be pushing health care.

Speaker 1 I was trying to be strategic about aligning my agenda with something that was important to the West Wing. And I thought, there's no way

Speaker 1 that anyone is going to take issue.

Speaker 1 with trying to make school lunches healthier, you know, getting kids more active, you know, really just trying to make the next generation healthier than ours and boy was i wrong um which is really interesting in these times with the current uh you know secretary of health and human services who is now saying some of the same things that i was saying um but it became a partisan issue you know people were telling me that you know i'm trying to be the nanny state and I'm trying to control what our kids are eating and telling them what's good for them and what's not good for them.

Speaker 1 Now, eventually we got a lot done.

Speaker 1 You know we were able to improve the nutrition standards, the labels so that they were more readable, so that people, parents could really understand the breakdown of fat and sugar and it was clear.

Speaker 1 We got the school nutrition standards improved in our schools for the first time in like 50 years. There hadn't been any updates.

Speaker 1 And we were really focused on on making it fun, getting kids active, reminding parents that, you know, we got to make exercise fun. So we had a lot of amazing partnerships with the NFL.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we broke the Guinness World Record. I planted a garden to, you know, try to get people more focused on making vegetables a little more fun and interesting for kids.

Speaker 1 So, but it was all about really dealing with a real health crisis that at the time, a lot of people didn't take seriously. I think it also is

Speaker 1 so important to take your own life experience to see that switch with Malia.

Speaker 1 And it makes that sort of messaging and effort more authentic. And I feel like people can tell when you authentically feel passionate about something.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. So that, I mean, I still remember the different initiatives you guys did and and programs you put in place for specifically like movement and getting kids active.

Speaker 1 And definitely remember all of the school lunch changes

Speaker 1 because they were obvious. I think your generation talks about nutrition and movement in a way that.
my generation didn't, especially as women. You know,

Speaker 1 no one focused on us as real athletic beings when I was coming up. And that has totally changed.

Speaker 1 And I'm so, so happy to see folks like you benefiting from Title IX and really embracing all of who you are, your power, your strength. You know,

Speaker 1 it feeds into all of the things that are happening right now with women in sports. Specifically, you have obviously that women are more encouraged to participate in sports.

Speaker 1 But then on top of that, the way that we're able to talk about food in conjunction with that, the way it nourishes our bodies, the way it fuels you to be able to have the energy to play your sport.

Speaker 1 And then also the way it fuels your body in a way that we're not trying to be slender or slim or fit in a certain size, that we're trying to be strong, powerful,

Speaker 1 athletic, finesse individuals to be able to perform our sport and do what we love.

Speaker 1 And so it's, I mean, these are, those let's move initiatives are directly impacting the way the conversation has been steered up to this point and the direction we're headed in, raising four girls right now and knowing that those conversations are happening because you started those conversations then is such a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 It really

Speaker 1 we just have to make sure we don't backslide on this stuff, right? I mean, because

Speaker 1 it can, it can happen in the blink of the eye, where we turn back the clock on a lot of this stuff. And we're really thinking about your girls, right?

Speaker 1 You know, we they should have more opportunity than we have, they should have more knowledge, more information.

Speaker 1 And this is something that I don't care what your political party is, but as women, as mothers, as parents, we've got to be mindful of what some of this rhetoric might do to turn the clock back on a lot of really important, important progress to give girls, you know, acknowledge the power and the leadership that are inherent in

Speaker 1 all of our kids, especially our girls. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Now, I've been looking forward to talking to you about something we have in common.

Speaker 1 We are both 5'11. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what I say, normal height. Well, it's funny.
I have a friend who's about 5'4 and she wears a size like six shoe or something. And whenever we would joke around about it, she's like, I'm average size.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 You're, you're we. You're tiny.
Well, they're we.

Speaker 1 My mom's only five foot two. My grandmother was like four'9.
And we're even smaller.

Speaker 1 My dad is 6'9. Oh, so, whoa.
Yeah, whoa. Hard overcorrect.
Oh. And, you know, I'm not going to lie.
Doesn't it irritate you when the wee people take the tall guys?

Speaker 1 Do you know the number of conversations?

Speaker 1 My sister's 5'9. I'm 5'11.
When we were in high school, we would always complain about, well, this girl's like five feet tall and she's standing with a guy who's 6'5. You can't save that for us.

Speaker 1 And my mom would always be like, hello.

Speaker 1 Excuse me. See, I don't know.
I would have, I would have some issues with your mom and be like,

Speaker 1 we gave, we gave it to her. Let me tell you, she did not come out unscathed.

Speaker 1 But she would always stand up for herself. And it's great.
You know what? To be very terrible. She'd stand on her toes.
That's it. She'd look up and say, hey.
That's it.

Speaker 1 Now, I always talk about how being tall shaped me growing up.

Speaker 1 But I'd love to hear more about your experience. Were you always comfortable with your height? And like, was that a, like, where did that start? Or was it something you had to learn and grow into?

Speaker 1 I think it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 I was always kind of a tomboy being the having a big brother.

Speaker 1 I was always trying to keep up. And I always found what the boys were doing were more interesting, right? And we had cousins who were two boys that we were close with, some of our favorites.

Speaker 1 And so I'm the only girl. And my father raised me.
It's like, if Craig is learning how to do something, you're going to learn it too. So my dad was a boxer.

Speaker 1 So he got us both boxing gloves because he was like, you're going to learn how to punch. And I had, he had, Craig had his larger size boxing gloves and I had my little ones.
And we'd do these spars.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, I could always hit him harder.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I was fast. I loved to run.
You know, I just, I, so I was taught to embrace that part of me, you know, so in my home, I felt like, I felt tall. I felt proud.

Speaker 1 But then you go out into the world, right?

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, before Title IX, being a sporty girl wasn't a thing, right? Like, what do you do? I don't think there was any place for my parents to put that gift, that interest, right?

Speaker 1 I took dance lessons. I was trying to be more girly, and girly meant you were smaller than the guys.

Speaker 1 And then, as you got older, you found that, you know, guys would be lying about their height, especially because I grew up in basketball culture, right? Oh, yeah. My brother played everything, right?

Speaker 1 So, you know, and I dated a lot of guys on this team, you know, because those are the guys I were meeting. So I would meet some taller guys, but they were always lying about their height.

Speaker 1 A roster height is at least two inches.

Speaker 1 For men, it's like 6'2.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You are not 6'2 ⁇ .
Not if I'm 5'11. Or eye to eye, dude.
We're eye to eye, you know, maybe, maybe you're six, but that six, that roster height,

Speaker 1 boy, you know. So I look at somebody's roster height.
And then, so they try to make us feel crazy like oh no, you you're not 5'11. It's like no, I'm exactly 5'11.

Speaker 1 I have no reason to lie about my height. As an adult, I have now grown to to love it, but I came up in a generation that like there weren't the, there wasn't the tall size, right?

Speaker 1 So the worst thing about being tall without the tall sizes is this, the pulling up your sleeve because your sleeves are too short. Yes.
You know, everything is just a little too short. Your pants.

Speaker 1 You always look like you're expecting a flood. You know, exactly.
And I'm just sort of like, come on, people, a couple of more instants because the littler ones can hem their pants. That's it.

Speaker 1 I always told people when they told me they were envious of my height, I would always say, well, careful what you wish for because I can't chop off my feet and make my pants fit, but you could wear heels

Speaker 1 and have your pants fit.

Speaker 1 Yes. And I love a heel, right?

Speaker 1 I do not shy away, especially in my adult life. I do not shy away from a heel.

Speaker 1 My girls don't either. They're like,

Speaker 1 they've got to get over it.

Speaker 1 Good. So, oh, Sasha loves a big, chunky heel.
And, oh, Malia, too. They love their big, chunky boots.
Good.

Speaker 1 I do make it a point whenever I meet tall girls, especially younger girls, who, who you can tell are just sort of like, they have the slight roll to the shoulders.

Speaker 1 They're trying to look an inch or two shorter. I'm like, stand up straight.
Stand up straight. Stand up straight.

Speaker 1 And the other thing that's hard like especially when i see myself in conversations with people i still have that

Speaker 1 because i'm trying to hear them oh yes right yep so you're with so you're now you're tall and people are a mile away there's a conversation going on down there yep And you're like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I can't hear. It's not traveling up.
So I find myself in pictures. I'm leaning over.
Yes. And I hate that, but I can't hear them down there.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I also find that oftentimes if I'm talking to someone shorter, I will physically take a step back so that it doesn't feel like I'm like just hovering over. Like, I'm going to eat you alive.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. Fee, fi, faux, yes.

Speaker 1 I cannot thank you enough for getting on today and chatting.

Speaker 1 It has been such a pleasure. Oh, the pleasure is all mine.

Speaker 1 I am so excited. You're doing this thing.

Speaker 1 Really, truly.

Speaker 1 And I'm here for you. I think what you're doing and how you are showing up in the world is

Speaker 1 just what we need right now. So it is.
Thank you. It is truly, truly a pleasure.
We will do this again because we didn't scratch the surface of all that we talk about. And just keep being you.

Speaker 1 Well, truly. Everyone can check you out.
you and Craig out on IMO. It's available on YouTube or anywhere you get your podcasts.
I cannot wait to tune in.

Speaker 1 Give me some tips when when you hear, you know, let me know.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you,

Speaker 1 I think everybody knows the other podcasts in our household, I love a sibling podcast

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 there's nothing like that connection you have with your siblings. No one can give me shit like my brother.
That's it. That's it.
And that's what we need. That's right.
That's what we need. Right.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Thank you.
And good luck. Keep me posted.
Thank you. I need it.
Number four, I want to know who she is. Right.
Can't wait.

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