US OPEN CHAMPION Aryna Sabalenka EXCLUSIVE: Transforming Doubt, Pressure & Loss into HUGE Success

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Speaker 1 There have been heartbreaking losses for Savalenka this year. For all of the emotions she felt that she must compose, richly deserved win.
Arena Savalenka gets for a grand slam title and another U.S.

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Speaker 2 Arena, Samolenka, congratulations. I am so excited to have you here.
I've been looking forward to this for such a long time. I got to be at the game on Saturday.
You were absolutely incredible.

Speaker 2 I can't believe we have you 48 hours after you just won this incredible trophy, the U.S. Open women's final was unbelievable.
Congrats and thank you for doing this.

Speaker 1 Thank you for having me. I think I'm more excited than you.
I've been watching your podcast and following you for, I don't know, for how long. So I'm probably more excited than you.

Speaker 2 That feels really good to me, the fact that you watch it. It means the world to me.
But honestly, I've been really excited. And watching you live, there was nothing like it.

Speaker 1 The attitude, the personality, the amazing sportsmanship like just incredible play it was fantastic to watch truly yeah it was it was a great match and I'm really really happy that you enjoyed watching it and yeah you had fun how does it feel when you're winning grand slam after grand slam this is the second time you've won the US Open in a row does it feel different from the first time does it feel the same like what goes through your mind and heart like every time you win the grand slam Every time it's an incredible feeling and every time it's just, you feel like it's the biggest thing that happened to you and I feel like it's all depends on the situation in life and stuff because this season I struggle a lot so I feel like this time it feels like like it happened for the first time you know like it's like if my first grand slam so it's it's a big moment and I feel

Speaker 1 like relieved after after getting this this beauty

Speaker 2 absolutely thank you for bringing it here this is amazing

Speaker 2 this is the first trophy ever on on purpose so this is a special one

Speaker 1 to be the first one.

Speaker 2 What were you struggling with this year? Like when you say like I was struggling this year, that's where it feels like a relief. What were you struggling with? Like what were you going through?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I played early in the season, I played two Grand Slam finals in Australia and in Paris, and I lost those two finals, and I like they consider me favorite, so I kind of like, you know, I've I thought that I felt like, okay, it's coming my way.

Speaker 1 I was so excited, but then I would lose in the final and I was sort of like really sad and like it was really tough to go through those tough lessons tough losses and and getting this this trophy means a lot it means that I learned the lesson and became a better player I have better control over my emotions and I'm super happy that I was able to win this trophy obviously you've just won and we'll talk about that I want to know what do you do when you lose because losing is so much harder it hurts so much more painful it hurts so deeply

Speaker 2 what do you do do you analyze the game do you feel angry Like what are the emotions that you go through when you've lost a game, lost a final?

Speaker 1 A final, you know, I think it's all about like losing in the final. It hurts more because you know you're getting so close to your dream and then it's like it feels like it's sort of like

Speaker 1 slips away, if I can say like that.

Speaker 1 So you you're really depressed and me personally, I want to leave the place as soon as possible just so I like forget it.

Speaker 1 But then I need like some time to sit back, to analyze, to like, you know, know to to actually learn the lesson so

Speaker 1 it takes some time to process the losses how long before you can watch the game back when you've lost I have to be honest I I never watched my like finals that I lost I let my team do that and bring me on the plate okay you like you did this this and this wrong I know like mentally emotionally what I did wrong and where I made the mistake in like the way I approached the the final or what was my mindset.

Speaker 1 I know this part, but like the tennis part, I let my team figure it, then they bring it, they tell me, I remember, because I don't want to watch it. I don't want to see myself there losing.

Speaker 1 And of course, like the finals that I lost earlier this season, I was like not behaving my best. And I hate seeing myself being

Speaker 1 not the kindest person.

Speaker 1 So I never watch my.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's really interesting. I also imagine when you're watching yourself back, it can kind of make you repeat that behavior sometimes as well.

Speaker 2 Like it's like if you if you watch something closely enough, you almost like you keep pushing the wound. It's like you keep pressing on the

Speaker 2 far, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Exactly. You just want to learn it, you know, like make sure that it's never going to happen again and forget it like a nightmare.

Speaker 1 Because yeah, I feel like watching it back, it just triggered that, you know, that pain.

Speaker 1 And something that you wanted to forget badly. So I feel like for me, for my mental health, it's better not to watch it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Who's the first person after you win or lose that you want to talk to, that you want to hug, that you want to call? Like, who's the first person?

Speaker 1 I run to my team straight away. I run to my team because I know the work

Speaker 1 they put it in for this win. So I run there and I hug my boyfriend first, of course, then my team, and because I know how much of a work they've done to

Speaker 1 make sure that I'm able to compete on such high level.

Speaker 1 And then I messaged my family.

Speaker 2 Nice. Yeah.
Let me talk to me about, we were just talking about this offline. You were just saying, you know, this morning you were on the Today Show.

Speaker 2 I'm sure you have a million interviews to do today. It's been 48 hours since you've won.
But like people forget that these tournaments are played in like these really tight.

Speaker 2 timeframes like this was two weeks right usop yeah two weeks like it's really intense you're playing all these games multiple sets really challenging like the pressure is all compressed into this short timeline.

Speaker 2 Like, talk to us about the preparation as a team, as an individual, for the intensity of the two weeks that the games are being played in.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I mean, we also have tournaments that leads to the Grand Slam, and then you have like a week before the Grand Slam where you come to the place where you're going to compete and you practice training, but also you have a lot of

Speaker 1 like brands dinners like meetings some interviews as well so people doesn't know that before the Grand Slam there is like a week

Speaker 1 really busy week full of

Speaker 1 meetings dinners

Speaker 1 and and this this kind of stuff which is also not easy to handle and and also you're training during that period and then the tournament starts and there is another pressure which you deal with but the preparation it's all about you know of course physically there is like tennis there gym there's fitness all of this stuff but also mentally you're preparing yourself for like really tough two weeks two weeks of uh great tennis hopefully because you never know but also two weeks of fighting like fighting for your dream and like mentally you have this constant conversation in your head like you're gonna do that you're capable of it you're strong enough so you like really if i feel like if someone would hear like my conversation in my head throughout like this three weeks period they would think that, okay, this is something like something wrong with this person because it's constant conversation.

Speaker 2 Talk to us about that self-talk because I think we forget that right now we're all so obsessed with the conversation online. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like we're looking at what Twitter's saying, X is saying, we're looking at what

Speaker 2 social media. And then you forget.
Yeah. that the real conversation is happening inside the champion's head.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Walk us through what that conversation looks like. Like, what are the ups and downs? What are the shifts in that inner dialogue?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I think it's absolutely normal to feel nervous before big tournaments. And I think that every athlete feels nervous.
Every athlete

Speaker 1 doubting his,

Speaker 1 I don't know, ability. Will he be able to do that again? Or how it's gonna go? Because you never know.

Speaker 1 Like, sport is such a beautiful thing that you go out there and you don't know how you're gonna feel.

Speaker 1 Will the game work? Like, will you feel great or better? Or

Speaker 1 what you'll have to deal with because you know people look from the outside and it doesn't doesn't know for example i don't feel my surf like i don't like i feel uncomfortable doing something on court and i have to like deal with that so before the tournament i prepare myself that i am ready to handle anything like i'm just talking that it's normal i'm just trying to kind of like settle those those like thoughts in my head not by trying to like

Speaker 1 make them go away because I feel like the moment when you try to make things go away they actually like growing more and it's like more and it's not easy to handle.

Speaker 1 So I'm just trying to tell myself it's okay to feel that. It's okay to think that.
It's absolutely okay. Everyone thinks that.

Speaker 1 It's all about you going out there and fighting no matter what and like constantly having this conversation in your head throughout two weeks. It's tough.
It's tough, but But I kind of like love it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you've learned to enjoy it.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just so grateful to have opportunity to experience

Speaker 1 all of that. Not everyone have this opportunity in life.
So I'm just so grateful. And big opportunities is also like

Speaker 1 big responsibility, big pressure.

Speaker 1 But not everyone have that opportunity. So you got to be grateful for that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's beautiful. You reminded me of that famous quote that says, what you resist persists.

Speaker 2 That idea that if you're trying to get rid of a thought or trying to get rid of a feeling, it just expands. Exactly.
and it takes up more space. And as soon as you accept it,

Speaker 2 you're fine. When you reject it, it just gets bigger, it gets harder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, rejection, that's not the key.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. When you accept that, of course, I'm of course it's natural to feel nervous.
Of course,

Speaker 2 everyone's feeling uncomfortable, everyone's feeling stressed out. All of a sudden, it kind of calms you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Whereas when you think that, oh, I'm the only one, everyone else looks so calm and confident, but I'm stressed out. That's why we all get.

Speaker 1 I think that was my like my main mistake when I was just just like starting playing tennis I thought that I'm the only one who feel that and I would like focus too much on that So I would forget about like my opponent and I would struggle a lot at the beginning of my career But then the moment when I realized like and I that everyone experienced that and I started see that on in my opponent and I was like okay then it's normal then we're both in the same situation we're both dealing with the same things and it's all about who's gonna do that better so it's actually like a trick I feel like like mind trick.

Speaker 1 Like just accept it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What's the hardest thing about being a champion, about being number one for you?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.
It's hard. I mean,

Speaker 1 I think there is nothing.

Speaker 1 Like when you call someone like champion when you hear the champion, it's like how can I actually complain about anything?

Speaker 1 Like if you're like if you won like a trophy, like there is nothing to complain about. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I loved when you came out after you've won and you had the champagne bottle.
You had the, I was like, I was like, that sponsor must be really happy, Arena. Like,

Speaker 2 I was like, that was like the best reaction ever.

Speaker 1 I should have came with the tequila because I sponsored by tequila.

Speaker 1 No with champagne, but you know, you got to celebrate it. You got to enjoy it because, you know, the hard work is done.
Now

Speaker 1 it's time to, you know, celebrate it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I was thinking about the moment. I don't know if you remember that tournament where Ronaldo hid the Coca-Cola and he put the water up.
Did you ever see that interview?

Speaker 2 So this is a press conference a few years ago and it was Cristiano Ronaldo, football. Okay.
And they'd put Coca-Cola in front of him.

Speaker 2 And he put it away and he said, drink water, don't drink Coca-Cola. And Coca-Cola's stock price went down that day.
Like it was crazy.

Speaker 2 So I was like, you just took Moe champagne's stock price must have gone up.

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 1 We need to check it out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the ski goggles too. I was like, it was amazing.

Speaker 1 It was so funny. I didn't know that I'm going to look that funny.

Speaker 2 It looked great.

Speaker 1 This came straight from the locker room where they sprayed like, I don't know how much of a bottle of champagne on me. It was, uh, it was, it was a fun moment.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think celebrate. Do you know what? I was so happy to hear you say, I want to celebrate, I want to have fun, because I think we forget.

Speaker 2 And sometimes you need to see the number one person in the world say, I need to celebrate. Because I think this applies to everyone.

Speaker 2 Wherever you are at your stage in life, we don't celebrate any milestones. Yes.

Speaker 2 And then when you don't see the people at the top celebrate, you kind of think, oh, well, what permission do I have to celebrate?

Speaker 2 So I feel like you gave everyone permission to say, you know what, it's okay.

Speaker 1 You have to, exactly. You have to celebrate.
Absolutely. Especially when you, in my case, like losing the finals, losing

Speaker 1 some tough matches,

Speaker 1 dealing with some struggles, you know, when you finally able to win something big for you, I think it's important to celebrate that moment because you never know when this moment

Speaker 1 gonna happen again.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you have to celebrate. It doesn't matter in which industry in life you are, whatever achievement you achieve, you have to go and

Speaker 1 just have a little moment for yourself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, do you do you take a moment to yourself as well to celebrate on your own? Like what does that look like? What does that personal celebration look like?

Speaker 1 I usually celebrate with my team, with the people around me, because you know, it's not like it was done only by me, you know?

Speaker 1 I've done it with the help of people, so I feel like it's not only mine trophy, it's our trophy. But my celebration is like one again in my head.
I just tell myself, okay, I'm proud.

Speaker 1 I'm proud to be able to

Speaker 1 have this trophy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's important to have that inner celebration as well. Yeah.
Because I love that you just said that. I sit there and go, I'm proud to have this trophy.

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like we're constantly looking for validation outside.

Speaker 2 And when you win something like this, of course, the whole world that loves tennis and loves you is validating you, which is a beautiful feeling.

Speaker 2 feeling of course but i love that you said that you actually sit there and say i'm proud of this trophy for myself because i feel like that inner validation is something no one can take away from you and something that stays with you long after yeah because like only

Speaker 1 i know like what i had to go through how tough it was and how it all started and you know like this is important to you know appreciate it Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 I want to go back, Irina, because I feel like I was watching a lot of your interviews when I was preparing for this. And I know we've been messaging for a while on Instagram, too.

Speaker 2 I was thinking about it. I was like, I actually don't think a lot of people know your journey and know your story that deeply.

Speaker 2 I think people know a little bit here and there, but on purpose, that's what we like to do. We love to know how people found their purpose, became, yeah, became who they were.

Speaker 2 And so I wanted to ask you, like, what is a childhood memory that you have? or a memory that you can recall that you feel defines who you are today that has impacted the person that you are today.

Speaker 1 You know, I have so many great memories, but I remember watching my dad being really like funny guy, the guy who would just, you know, make everyone feel happy and smile.

Speaker 1 And I would, I remember I would just look at him and think, oh my God, I want to become this kind of person, being like just like a positive person, like the person who brings like positive vibes everywhere she goes.

Speaker 1 So I think that's why I'm like quite, I have this quite funny personality.

Speaker 2 Is that where that playfulness comes from?

Speaker 1 Uh, yeah, watching your dad, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And another story, but but this story, it's not like I remember that, but it, I think it's perfectly shows my personality.

Speaker 1 When I was a kid, and someone came to me because I was grunting while hitting the ball, and someone came to me calling me Sharapova. And I looked at the person saying, No, I'm future Sabalenka.

Speaker 1 You know, I was a kid, I was like, What, nine or ten, and saying that, I was just like,

Speaker 1 when my mom told me the story, story i kind of like was proud of myself

Speaker 2 i love it and and to me it's all your even when i was watching you on saturday to me it's all your micro expressions like you just have this face that can just like make so many different angles and faces and i'm like just watching you just i was telling you about a moment earlier like amanda played an amazing shot the other day and and and you just like turned around you're like clapping it on the side and i was like it was a great shot it was a great show it was amazing it's just it's all these micro things But you're saying your dad inspired all of this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my personality, I think 100% comes from my dad.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And he was also the one who introduced you to tennis as well.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Walk me through that.
How did he discover tennis? How did he introduce it to you?

Speaker 1 It's actually by not like accident, but he was just like trying to find some activity for me because I was a very active kid and he wanted me to be busy and to do stuff.

Speaker 1 And he was trying to find a sport for me and he was just like passing by the tennis court. He was like, well, why not just try it? Wow.
So I tried it and I loved it and that's how it started.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 2 Was he good at tennis?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. He used to play ice hockey, but then he had a bike crash.
So he was afraid to come back and sport. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 So yeah. It was a quite a bad injury that he had.

Speaker 1 It was a very bad injury. He barely survived when he was 18 or 19.
Oh, of course. So since then, he didn't want to come back to sport because he was afraid that

Speaker 1 it will affect his health.

Speaker 2 Did he do anything to help you feel confident about tennis? Or what what was that relationship like?

Speaker 2 Because I heard in another interview you said, you said it was quite funny that you didn't actually think you got good at tennis until you were like 16, 17 years old.

Speaker 2 And so that's a long time if you started playing tennis quite early and you only felt really good at 16, 17. What was happening between that age when you started playing? And

Speaker 1 no, but I was pretty good. I was winning these local tournaments all the time.
I was pretty good.

Speaker 1 And my dad would always just say, just as long as you just go out there and you fight and you give your best, you're good he didn't care like if I win or lose so he was like a really great supporter but I realized at sixteen seventeen that I can be maybe good like internationally you know like going going for this

Speaker 1 back then I was like ten thousand event like a women's sport you know like WTA it started like actually I think it was like ITF or something like because I started from like ten thousand twenty five fifty one hundred so like slowly made my way to WTA tennis

Speaker 1 so yeah back then I s I thought like maybe, maybe I can be good when you compare yourself to like other athletes. So that's why I probably am.

Speaker 2 Who did you grow up watching? Who are the people that you admired? Because you already said you were like, no, I'm going to be future Sabalenka.

Speaker 1 You know, it's so funny because I think back then it wasn't that much of a social media. So I didn't have like

Speaker 1 an iPhone, you know, to go to Instagram and watch other athletes.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, I was training the whole, I was going to school, I was training, and then then I was just like having fun with my friends outside so I was never like watching TV or or any internet much so I didn't really look up to someone you know like of course I've seen like Serena dominating like there and there so and I was like thinking like I wish I could become

Speaker 1 like like her one day you know

Speaker 1 so but no I wasn't like really looking up to someone and like this question question makes me feel really terrible as a person like I feel like everyone have their like idol, someone they look up to, and I never have someone.

Speaker 1 But I think the answer is just like because we didn't have that social media. We didn't have like something that you just grab and you look and okay, and you see this

Speaker 1 life.

Speaker 2 No, I mean,

Speaker 2 I didn't want to make you feel bad by asking it.

Speaker 1 No, no, you didn't make me bad. I was just like, I don't.

Speaker 2 No, and I almost think there's something beautiful about it because I think sometimes Sometimes watching people can inspire us, but sometimes not having that can actually help you find yourself.

Speaker 2 Like not having access, even, I mean, when I was growing up, I'm 10 years older than you, but when I was growing up, I was reading books about people because I couldn't follow them on social media either.

Speaker 2 So I read David Beckham's autobiography when I was like 16, 17 years old. And then I read Steve Jobs' biography much later.

Speaker 2 And so I was reading about people that I was fascinated by at a young age, but I didn't get to watch clips of them or whatever else it may be.

Speaker 2 And I think there's something beautiful about that because then you get to define who you are. And sometimes you can get caught comparing yourself to people.

Speaker 2 I think social media has made it so hard for young athletes or young anyone. Yeah.
You're looking at everyone going, I wish I was more like that. I wish I looked like that.
I wish I had that game.

Speaker 2 You know, and so

Speaker 2 it's kind of nice to not have that actually sometimes because you're free of it.

Speaker 1 It's a good and a bad thing at the same time, right?

Speaker 1 Like you, you see more stuff, you learn more, but at the same time, you can compare yourself to people and then feel bad about yourself for some reason.

Speaker 1 So it's like, it can bring like a really strong insecurities in you. So, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think it's important to find something that you love, you truly love, not like because you see like social media posts and you think, oh, I wanna, I wanna live that life, but do you really?

Speaker 1 You know, you have to find something that you love.

Speaker 1 And I think if you do what you love and you passion and you dedicate your life to that, and you do everything you can to become successful in any area, I think that's that's the way to go, you know.

Speaker 2 Well said, yeah, absolutely. I feel like it's so because winning the trophy is one percent of your life

Speaker 2 the other 99 is what we don't see we're just seeing the two weeks of the tournaments or whatever it may be but it's the whole life it's the waking up it's the walk me through your morning routine like what does your routine look like how do you set yourself up during the tournament do me a game day and a non-game day well the game day depends on the match once again but i like to sleep in

Speaker 1 i need to have a good recovery uh but then i take it easy if it's like an evening match i take it easy i do like some mobility in the gym like to wake me up. I mean of course breakfast before lunch.

Speaker 1 Then I go inside. I do my warm-up again.
I do tennis hit.

Speaker 1 And then there's a match game. And when it's not much day, then it's like even

Speaker 1 longer sleep,

Speaker 1 later wake up. And

Speaker 1 easy start, a little bit of a hit. And then it's a treatment, recovery process, and then it's dinner.
I love to go out for dinners.

Speaker 2 Nice. Did I read somewhere that you meditate as well or have tried before? Do you practice any sort of meditation or work with a sports psychologist as well?

Speaker 1 I worked with the sports psychologist for four or five years.

Speaker 1 We did some sort of meditation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did a lot of things at the beginning of my career.

Speaker 1 But then you know what I found that I was relying on her so much, she was a woman, I was relying on her so much.

Speaker 1 So I was

Speaker 1 expecting her to fix my problems, like my emotions.

Speaker 1 And I was like repeating the same mistake over and over again. And I was like getting upset about that.

Speaker 1 So at some point I decided, okay, I have to take responsibility over my actions. And I stopped working with psychologists.
And that was the moment when I started like...

Speaker 1 learning about myself, when I actually

Speaker 1 understood myself better and

Speaker 1 I started to control my emotions much better and I felt like more balanced when I like took that responsibility.

Speaker 1 So it was, I think for me personally, it was a great move. But you never know, like maybe one day I'm going to come back to

Speaker 1 get back to

Speaker 1 psychology, meditation and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 I think that's the right process though with anything. I feel like it's learn.
Learn. And then you have to go lead yourself and it's learn and then lead yourself.

Speaker 2 And I think the challenge is if you constantly remain a student, then you're always dependent. And I think anything we become dependent on controls us.

Speaker 2 And then we're subject to how good we feel that day.

Speaker 2 But when you learn something and then you go and try it and you practice it and you apply it, then you get to see whether you actually internalized it. And so I think that is a good process.

Speaker 2 I feel like for anyone who's practicing any sort of coaching, therapy, psychology, it's great to be able to learn and then go test all the stuff in the real world and then see where it goes back rather than keep it there forever.

Speaker 2 Because then you're almost someone's holding your hand the whole time and then you keep holding tighter and tighter and tighter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's good to like you know go back and forth, like work with psychologists, but then go out there and try to figure it

Speaker 1 by yourself. And then

Speaker 1 the moment you feel like you need to talk to someone and you need to find some, yeah, some answers. So yeah,

Speaker 1 it's always a learning process, right? Like as long as it's good for you, it's great.

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Speaker 2 How would the people that know you be on tennis personally, deeply, intimately, how would they describe you? What would they say about you?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't like to talk about myself, but I feel like

Speaker 1 they would say that I'm very kind,

Speaker 1 funny, of course,

Speaker 1 and very generous. And I think, I mean, yeah, I think that's how they would describe me.
I mean, that's what I hope they're going to describe.

Speaker 1 Maybe they're going to just say, okay, you know what? She's crazy. We better just stay away.

Speaker 1 Who knows? But that's my hopes.

Speaker 2 Funny, kind, and generous is a good three. I like this.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's just how I see myself, but reality is different.

Speaker 2 We'll check afterwards.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's just

Speaker 1 ask a few people.

Speaker 2 Ask a few people. How much does your life off the court in your personal life impact your life on the court?

Speaker 1 Well, I think anyway, everything

Speaker 1 works together.

Speaker 1 But I think it's all about like balancing your off the court and on the court life. Because I feel like on the court, I'm like really aggressive.
I'm so focused. I'm like, I'm just chasing my dreams.

Speaker 1 So I feel like people who doesn't know me, they can... they can say that I'm super crazy person and super aggressive on and on the court, but it's it's not who I am.
I feel like off the court

Speaker 1 I'm more fun and I love to have fun and you know you have to balance, you have to like put the hard work in but also you have to go and

Speaker 1 enjoy and do things that brings you joy because then when you feel

Speaker 1 balanced and feel like you're enjoying your life, then you're able to go there and to you know, bring everything you have and to fight and to be focused.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel tennis has done done so much,

Speaker 2 hopefully, to start leveling the playing field with men and women. Have you ever felt that divide personally while playing?

Speaker 2 Like, do you feel the pressure that everyone in the media puts on the sports of like, you know, men and women are not equal. There's this challenge.

Speaker 2 Like, have you felt that or do you feel that doesn't really cross your mind? How do you process that?

Speaker 1 I'm trying not to focus on that because...

Speaker 1 I just try to represent women's sport the best way possible.

Speaker 1 And of course, we're all fighting for equal prize money and everything but also at the end of the day it's all about who brings the who brings the show who brings people into the sport but i think like now the price money is equal everything is uh getting closer and closer between man and woman so i of course i love it and that's what women athletes are fighting for thank you billie jin king for you know fighting for us I agree that we deserve to be paid the same.

Speaker 1 Of course, the level is different just because of the physical abilities. but the the the work that we put in is it's equal to the work that they put in.

Speaker 1 Of course, the level can be different, but it just uh

Speaker 1 it's life. That's that's man meant to be a stronger than woman.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, but it's interesting to hear that you don't think about it because I think that's because I guess you've just got to focus on playing the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you cannot, you know, focus on many things, you just gotta focus on yourself and bring the best

Speaker 1 best of you

Speaker 1 and and of course

Speaker 1 try to fight for having like equal price money to be like closer to what men are

Speaker 1 earning and and and that stuff and I think like actually lately like women's tennis especially tennis women's tennis

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 more fun to watch like more people coming like attending people speak more about that maybe it's like fashion related because it's such a fashionable sport right now.

Speaker 1 But I feel like we are getting really close to men.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I think it's been brilliant.
I think the sport's done a great job at trying to move in the right direction for a long time.

Speaker 2 And Billy Jin King, as you said, has been such a reason for that. It's been amazing.
So it's incredible. Talk to us about the fashion because

Speaker 2 as soon as you put your outfit on that, then you put the silver jacket on. And I was like, Irina's like going for it.

Speaker 2 How much fun do you get to have with all of that?

Speaker 1 I love it. You know, I love fashion.
I love,

Speaker 1 you know, I love experimenting with

Speaker 1 my looks and stuff. And for me, it's important to look good on court,

Speaker 1 to feel good about myself. So I love that.
I think it's all about having fun with it and bringing fashion into tennis. I think it's also going to help to explore our sport more.

Speaker 1 So I'm enjoying this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, you see it in sports. Like, I feel like basketball, especially in America, like all the basketball players are very fashionable.

Speaker 1 Like it kind of creates, it brings sports and culture together quite a lot how do you find your inspiration for your looks like is it just something you like the look of like how do you kind of go about picking colors silhouettes everything else well i started to work with the carla velch the um the stylist uh she's the best and she teached me a lot about you know how to mix stuff together which colors works better better for me uh so she teached me a lot and i follow a lot of like fashion influencers just to like see how they dressed up and sometimes i find the inspiration i order a lot of stuff and you know i'm like i cannot stop shopping that's my that's my weakness is it yes yeah there was a clip that i saw where it's like as soon as after the game the first thing that went on was the uh ap it went on straight after the game you know gotta take care of the fashion stuff of the game fashion part of the game i love it will you will you crash again you're crashing it when i

Speaker 2 one of the things that i love talking to you about with successful people champions who've been through it is like defining moments in their life.

Speaker 2 You know, I feel like defining moments in every human's life are just,

Speaker 2 it either propels you forward or it can, you know, slow you down or break you down. And for you, I feel like one of the biggest ones is losing your father.

Speaker 2 Like that is, for anyone, losing a parent is such a huge part of their journey. For you, it's critical to your journey because it's the person who gave you what you love.

Speaker 2 Walk us through that moment in time.

Speaker 1 Well, I hope I'm not going to start crying right now, but it was

Speaker 1 it was unexpectable. It just happened like this.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was a tough moment because I was so close to him.

Speaker 1 The reason is because we have similar personalities and we

Speaker 1 understood each other much better. He knew what to tell me when I was like struggling on court, you know.

Speaker 1 I would just call him and he would just say a couple of things and I would be like, oh, that makes sense. So losing him

Speaker 1 was a tough moment.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 1 you know, instead of like really

Speaker 1 going

Speaker 1 depressed, I just decided to take it as, you know, like he's like here with me. He's in my heart, in my memory.

Speaker 1 He raised me, I feel like the best way possible.

Speaker 1 Thanks to him for, you know, like, I feel like I'm the champion right now because

Speaker 1 of him.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I know that he's here with me he you know he supports me he takes care of me he protects me

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 yeah I took it as a motivation to put the family name in the history and thanks to him yeah how did you grieve at the time like what was useful to you because

Speaker 2 I feel losing someone's always hard and there's no perfect way to grieve. But what worked for you? What did you have to do in order to process that?

Speaker 1 Well, I had to stay really strong because yeah, my mom was...

Speaker 1 It was tough tough for her to handle she was a young woman to lose a husband that she loved it was tough so I had to stay really strong and not really show my emotions but I was crying a lot back then

Speaker 1 when no one

Speaker 1 saw me but the best way for me was to go on court and practice and train. It was the only time when I wouldn't think.

Speaker 1 You know, like the beginning of the practice till the end, I was just focusing on like tennis, like hitting those like balls, repetition after repetition.

Speaker 1 And then the moment the practice would stop, I would like constantly thinking like remembering like something from the past start crying harder

Speaker 1 that was the best way for me to go through it is like go out and and practice and practice and practice yeah I feel like yeah I feel like you just break down straight after because it I mean I'm surprised you could even focus during the practice that's impressive because there was yeah I don't know how actually I just figured that I went on court started practicing I realized that okay this is the moment when I'm not thinking about that.

Speaker 1 And I was training a lot.

Speaker 2 You were trying to channel it all into.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like just let it go, let it go, because it's nothing you can do about it. You know, I feel like in life there is like birth, love, and death, something that you have zero control on.

Speaker 1 So I was like, it was his journey. I was grateful that I was able to spend 21 years with him.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I know that

Speaker 1 he's protecting me.

Speaker 2 That's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.
That's so beautiful to hear about.

Speaker 2 My wife recently lost her grandmother. And I always say to people that

Speaker 2 I don't even come close. My wife's favorite person in the world is her grandmother.
And her grandma was 91. She lived an amazing life.

Speaker 2 But losing someone that close to you, that's raised you, that you have all these memories with, it's never easy.

Speaker 2 And, you know, my wife was by her bedside for four months every day before she passed away, like sleeping in hospital and together with her and just you know it was it was beautiful for me to watch just that love that

Speaker 2 connection yeah that connection and that level of love and that level of and i love what you just said now about how birth love and death are the only things that are guaranteed and it's how how do you

Speaker 2 how do you think about love like what's your views on love i'm intrigued seeing as you brought up those three important things

Speaker 1 i think love is something that you cannot really explain right? You just

Speaker 1 feel

Speaker 1 complete with the person, right? You just feel comfortable,

Speaker 1 you're not doubting anything, you're having fun, you love everything about the person, good and because everyone have good and bad parts, right? So you love everything.

Speaker 1 And I think that's something that gives you that feeling that, I don't know, that like that warm in your heart. Yeah, it's a feeling.
How would you describe?

Speaker 1 You know, right? Like, how can, yeah.

Speaker 2 Love to me is when

Speaker 2 someone

Speaker 2 accepts you for who you are and you accept them for who they are.

Speaker 1 And not changing your rights.

Speaker 2 Trying to change them. Exactly.
I feel like the biggest mistake is when you either want someone to never change or you want someone to change today.

Speaker 2 Because chances are, if you spend long enough with someone, they will change and you will change. And if I want to change you, that means I never really loved you in the first place.
And so

Speaker 2 when I'm willing to accept, yeah, when I'm willing to accept and be with you and sit with you and understand you, I'm trying to be more curious than I am judgmental

Speaker 2 because I'm trying to understand why you are the way you are. And I love that.
What made you this way?

Speaker 1 And I totally agree.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because it's, because I feel like it's, it's so easy in any relationship. This isn't just romantic.
I think it applies to parents, family, sisters, siblings, brothers, everyone.

Speaker 2 It's like you don't know why someone is the way they are.

Speaker 1 You don't know what they've been through, right? What made them the way they are. And when you understand understand that about, like you said, family, friends,

Speaker 1 just people, right? Yeah. Makes you,

Speaker 1 yeah, just feel the person.

Speaker 2 Yeah. When did you start to feel successful and feel like you were a champion? Did you ever do you feel that way or is there

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I never think about that. I think for me, success is

Speaker 1 the discipline that you put in.

Speaker 1 I think this is success, like being able to

Speaker 1 be there every morning, every practice, doesn't matter how you feel, doesn't matter if you want it or you don't want to be there, you know, because there is days when you just don't want to go and work or practice and do your job, right?

Speaker 1 And if you're still there, this is success. This means that

Speaker 1 you love what you do and you want to be successful.

Speaker 2 That's a great definition of success. I love that.
That's such a great answer. Success is actually showing up even when you don't want to, when you don't feel like it.
That's really what it is.

Speaker 1 I think that's why I'm able to, you know, hold these trophies because I was there like no matter what, since like a very young age.

Speaker 1 You know, I remember going to practice, not feeling well, but I don't know, someone was just something was just driving me. Like I was just going there.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 And that's why I say that people have to find something they love. because when you love something what's like what you do

Speaker 1 that's what pushes you like to go to do to

Speaker 1 to do better every day like and to improve to

Speaker 2 that's important I love what you're saying and I'm thinking about some of the things I think my audience struggles with sometimes

Speaker 2 let's say you find some people struggle to find something they love

Speaker 2 Do you think that's because we have the wrong view of it? Like, I think some people think if you love something, you'll always like it.

Speaker 2 But what you're saying is you could love something and there'll still be days where you don't like it, which I think is a really important point. Yeah.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 I feel like so many people give up on things because they feel like, okay, I don't want to go there. It means that, okay, I'm done.

Speaker 1 And I think this is actually the moment where you can make the breakthrough, you know? Because

Speaker 1 you, yeah, like you said, you're absolutely right. You can love something, but at the same time, you can experience those days when you just don't want to do that.
And it's normal. It's normal.

Speaker 1 It just, it's it's a routine so it's important to

Speaker 1 if you love something at first and you you felt happy and it like all of the sudden you're like okay i'm i don't want to go there it's it's doesn't mean that you have to change something yeah you know you have to change your job you just have to go through this period it's it's like in every relationship it's not perfect all the time you have to you know go through something did you ever think about giving up like was there ever a time in your life where you're like i think this is it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a moment in my career,

Speaker 1 when was that? Three years ago, when I was double-faulting, I couldn't like surf. I don't know what happened with me.
Like I couldn't surf. Just something happened.
And it wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 And I was still playing.

Speaker 1 I actually ended up here

Speaker 1 in top 10 somehow without the surf.

Speaker 1 But it was like really, I was really close to just quit because I was like, I don't know how to fix it. Like we tried everything, like psychology.

Speaker 1 We tried everything, like, like, like going through repetitions, like practicing, like, different treats, like everything. We tried everything and we couldn't fix it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, I'm about to quit.

Speaker 1 But then we hired the Biomehani guy and he helped to understand some details. And,

Speaker 1 you know, like, so that's what I'm saying. Like,

Speaker 1 it was the moment for me to

Speaker 1 stay strong, to go through it, to

Speaker 1 never give up, you know, like how we say.

Speaker 1 And I didn't quit. And after that, I was able to win my first Grand Slam.
And that moment was crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, emotional.

Speaker 2 I feel like that's always the case where it's like you love something.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Something about it's not working, you're struggling, you're not getting it right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's the point where you're required to be a bit more dedicated. Like it's like, that's where the unlock is.

Speaker 1 Yes, I feel like

Speaker 1 the universe got well. You call however you want it, send those challenges because you can handle it and for a reason, you know, like everything happens for a reason.

Speaker 1 And that would actually kept me in sport because I was like, Okay, this is happen happening for a reason. I need to change something, you know.

Speaker 1 And I think you have to go through these tough challenges to

Speaker 1 see why, why it happened to you. It's not only about sport, in everything in life, life, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I feel like those are the moments that give you confidence and courage.
Like when you overcome something, which every, and I think people forget how much they've overcome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like I love that you just said, like,

Speaker 2 I've been just showing up since I was a little kid. Yeah.
Like, you know, you've been showing up for so many years.

Speaker 2 And I think people think confidence is how you show up today or winning a trophy or it's like, no, no, no. Think about it.
And everyone has showed up in their life.

Speaker 2 Like the people that are going to work for their kids, for their partner, like people have been showing up.

Speaker 2 And if everyone could think of all the times in their life where they had the courage, had the confidence to show up even when they didn't want to, you're going to feel a lot more of that today rather than waiting to win to feel confident.

Speaker 1 I think confidence,

Speaker 1 it's a process, you know, you're building this confidence like step by step, like by waking up like the early morning, by showing up

Speaker 1 somewhere you didn't want to, you know, like and like slowly building your confidence.

Speaker 2 it's all about like this little little steps yeah do you have any unusual rituals or any like things that you do before you go on court or on a date like do you do you uh do you bounce the ball a number of times do you throw it a certain way is there like a little little trick or a little thing that you have personally that works for you uh

Speaker 1 well i have the same breakfast oh you do the tournament that's my you know what is your go-to breakfast oh i love avocado toast okay with uh with two fried eggs from both sides.

Speaker 1 Over easy, it has to be perfect.

Speaker 1 I gave so much trouble to some of the places with this eggs.

Speaker 2 It has to be perfect.

Speaker 1 It has to be perfect. I don't know.
Maybe I'm crazy. And the smokes on the side.

Speaker 2 That's my go-to. That's your go-to breakfast.

Speaker 1 I love this breakfast. I always come back to this one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, very specific. Yes.
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 Maybe this. And then I think about the bouncing the ball.
I think it's all about the habit.

Speaker 1 Maybe I actually pick the balls from the ball kits. I always pick from, like, if I win the point and I picked from, like,

Speaker 1 it doesn't matter which corner, like, for example, from the right

Speaker 1 corner, how I show the right, I mean, left corner.

Speaker 1 I will keep like picking up the balls from that kit.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just like gives me,

Speaker 1 I don't know, good feeling.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, we, I feel like we all have these little things.

Speaker 1 But as long as it has these things in your control, it's good. When you like, you know, rely on something that is not in your control, then it can become a problem.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'd be honest, any athlete I've ever interviewed who has continued to be a high performer in their life for a long time has a definite breakfast for their game day.

Speaker 2 It's like a very common trait, like to have a specific breakfast. Well, you know, have that continuity.

Speaker 1 Because I love, like, for me, the main meal is breakfast. I like to sit there, enjoy my breakfast, have like,

Speaker 1 have my cup of coffee. And

Speaker 1 yeah, that's my ritual, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Who do you, I asked this to Novak recently when he was on the show.
I was like, who do you consider your toughest opponent mentally?

Speaker 1 Whom did he say?

Speaker 2 He said himself.

Speaker 1 Himself?

Speaker 2 It's a good answer.

Speaker 1 It's a good answer.

Speaker 2 I'll cut that out.

Speaker 1 You can say it as well.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, myself.

Speaker 1 thanks novak

Speaker 1 no i've i cannot pick one you know why because everyone is tough you know like it's tough like everyone brings like different challenges you know and it's tough to like say okay she's like the toughest one for me because then you underestimate the rest of the group which is not right so all of them brings like different challenges but i think

Speaker 1 Novak, thank you for that. You're the biggest.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're always your biggest mental competitor. Yes.
Because you're the one pushing yourself the hardest exactly exactly it's a good answer what about your toughest opponent physically coco

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 ego yeah these two like i think physically um

Speaker 1 brings the biggest challenge in in what sense they they move really great so sometimes you build a point and probably with others like this shot will be a winner but with them sometimes you have to like rebuild the point and yeah physically it's not easy physically and mentally it's not easy like to like you know stay stay strong and be ready that the ball gonna come back

Speaker 1 every time and you have to like

Speaker 2 be really strong physically to handle that that intensity yeah how does it feel do you have lots of i'm sure you have so many young tennis players both men and women coming up to you feeling inspired

Speaker 2 feeling excited about your journey like how does that feel I think that's the goal in life.

Speaker 1 And I always wanted to be a good example for next generation. And when kids run to me and say, I love you, you're my inspiration, that's, you know, that's what actually matters in life.

Speaker 2 What do you say to young athletes who are inspired by you, are moved by you? What's your advice to them? What's your words of wisdom?

Speaker 1 Surround yourself with the right people. That's the main thing because with the right people, you can achieve anything.

Speaker 2 That's good advice.

Speaker 2 Did it take you time to find the right people to surround yourself with? Like,

Speaker 2 is that hard?

Speaker 1 It's hard. It's really hard hard because there's so many,

Speaker 1 let's say, interesting people around.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 it took me time. I was really happy to have my

Speaker 1 coach

Speaker 1 with me for, I don't know, like, how many years already, my fitness coach and a tennis coach. So they've been there for me.
And then

Speaker 1 find the right...

Speaker 1 the right agent, the right, I mean, yeah, it took time to build the right people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it does. I feel like that's true in, again, in business, in sports, in everything.
Finding the people. You go through toughness.
Everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you go through being betrayal by someone. And, you know, like people come, people go.
And it's a process. But I feel like the moment you find

Speaker 1 your people, you better stick to that group because this is what gives you energy and power to keep going.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I remember I had a... physical therapist that I was working with at a time,

Speaker 2 but we ended up talking while I'd be doing physical therapy too

Speaker 2 and it was really interesting she said to me once this was years ago this was like maybe

Speaker 2 six years ago now and she said to me she said jay it's funny like it feels like the only people that stress you out are the people you pay

Speaker 2 and because she was saying when i talk when i am venting when i'm saying something she was saying it was only the people in your professional world she was like it seems like your personal life's great like my relation with my wife my relation with my family my sister my my parents but she was like oh it seems like whenever you're going through something painful, it's always to do something in your life that's part of your business.

Speaker 2 And it really like was like a moment for me because I was like, Oh, I've got to, I've got to think about this as much. Because I think when I first,

Speaker 2 at least for me, when I first started moving, I didn't know anyone in the entertainment industry. I didn't know anyone in this world.

Speaker 2 And so I was just trying to surround myself with people who are smart, who knew what they were doing, but they weren't necessarily on the same energy and vibrancy, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense? Like, you've had to find people on the same frequency.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I think it's important to have people with a good energy, the energy that fits and and that you yeah, you understand each other and that seems like you're people, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why you right now when we said, what do you want to get for food, you were like, no, my team knows me. You know, they know I trust them.

Speaker 1 Like it was like that's that's that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And r this year you launched Arena's Arena, right? Yeah.
Which I love, which is giving people more access.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I know your team and the dynamics. Talk to us about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to share myself. I want to share my life.
I want life. I want to, you know, show those little kids that

Speaker 1 like we're all people. Like, you know, you don't have to be perfect to be successful, right?

Speaker 1 And I want to show like what it takes to, you know, to be where I am. And that is like, that is real.
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Speaker 2 The truth is, tennis is such an individual sport, and I've had the fortune of interviewing people from so many different sports. But tennis and Formula One

Speaker 2 are like so dependent on the individual in the sense that you're the one playing the game. At the same time, like you said, there is a team, and so it's important to show that.

Speaker 2 Same in F1, there is a team.

Speaker 2 But there's just so much, even when you celebrate that day, like when you won, I was like, wait a minute, when you're on the court, you have to celebrate on your own, like the moment you win.

Speaker 2 Whereas, if you watch any other sport, the team will come together, the players run to each other.

Speaker 2 And it's like, obviously, you can do that when you get into the stands, but that moment, you've got to savor it.

Speaker 1 Like when you drop to your knees, and you know, yeah, that was a very, very emotional moment.

Speaker 1 I still, you know, feel this.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, yeah, you have a huge team, and the amount of work that those guys put in, it's incredible and i i feel like kind of kind of like responsible for that because i know that they deserve to be the best coaches like the best agent the the best feature like the best team you know

Speaker 1 so i feel responsible when i'm out there competing because doesn't matter how much work they put in you know it's at the end it's like all depends on me you know and they don't know like if you know if i'll go out there and i'll play my best and if i'll win you know so when i'm there competing i'm not only competing for myself, I compete for my team,

Speaker 1 but I'm like there, and I'm responsible for that, you know, on my own.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're carrying a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. So it's tough.
And that's why I feel like most of the athletes,

Speaker 1 not athletes, but tennis players and Formula One, they sort of like crying after winning something because, you know,

Speaker 1 all that pressure, all that

Speaker 1 things in your head, they just slowly go away and you feel, okay, I did it, you you know, but Formula One is another level like I'm a fan. I don't I don't know how how they do that.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, they put sort of like their life in risk and it's so fast and so crazy. And

Speaker 1 for me, this is intense.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's all intense. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 No, because you know, we have breaks, like between the points, between the games. Those guys, they are there for, I don't know how long, like hour and something, right? And they're there.

Speaker 1 And like, if they just lose focus for a second, gone, you know, this is tough.

Speaker 2 It is scary knowing that you could take your own life and someone else's. And it's got the sport has got so much safer over time.

Speaker 1 So it's yeah, I know, it's safer now, but still, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
What are there any sports that you watch, that you love, that you follow?

Speaker 1 I love uh basketball, I love uh ice hockey, but it's not like I really have like one team. Okay.
One team that I support. I just love to watch.

Speaker 1 Especially like like with the basketball sitting on the court side, when I see the way those guys move, like with their height and everything, I'm like, I always message my fitness coach, like, okay, we gotta do something, you know, but

Speaker 1 I'm just like frozen in the moment because I just look how they move, you know, probably it's like a

Speaker 1 professional defect or something, you know, because I just watched their like movement and it's it's crazy. It's crazy what those guys do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're watching a different game because you're looking at different things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I look at different things probably yeah and formula one i'm just like sitting there and i'm like how they can be focused for so long without like losing their focus like those races corner after corner like it's crazy yeah and it's repetitive as well it's like yeah you know like crazy doing this that's what that's what what actually crazy yeah yeah no and how how much time do you give yourself to now celebrate you're doing press today i mean like we said it's only 48 hours how long before you have to get back to training back on the grind back to the discipline?

Speaker 1 Well the schedule is is tough, you know, but I think I'm gonna give myself couple more days to celebrate and then we're gonna go back back to work, but like also slowly, like starting probably from the gym and then yeah, we're gonna build up because we have

Speaker 1 a couple more tournaments and then the finals,

Speaker 1 which is like top eight players compete for the you know, for the for another big trophy. So we have couple more big tournaments coming up.

Speaker 1 But for now, I'm going to take a couple of days to celebrate because, you know, when I was struggling, I was always going back to those moments when

Speaker 1 I was winning those Grand Slams.

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 1 I was thinking, I wish I could just experience that again. And I will celebrate like crazy because you never know if this moment is going to come again, you know.

Speaker 1 Of course, you work, you hope, you do your best, but at the end of the day, you never know, right? So

Speaker 1 earlier this season, I

Speaker 1 said to myself, Okay, if I will win it this year, I'm gonna

Speaker 1 celebrate and I'll truly enjoy it, you know? So, the plan is for the next couple of days,

Speaker 1 enjoy it.

Speaker 2 It's good that you're honoring that because sometimes you say that before, and then after you win it, you're like, Oh, now I need to just get back to it.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, I'm like, I have this control.

Speaker 1 I'm like that. I'm like, okay, I need to go back, but I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 We gotta, we gotta, we gotta do it, we gotta enjoy it, yeah, we gotta do it.

Speaker 2 No, I love that I loved what you posted on your Instagram you wrote to my team I wouldn't be here without you but don't forget you wouldn't be here without me it wouldn't be me without joking some little yeah some little you know

Speaker 1 don't forget some little spice

Speaker 1 that's who I am you know

Speaker 2 yeah no I genuinely I genuinely love that you're honoring your your time and energy to celebrate it's it's it's such a great reminder I feel like for years and years and years in my career I was just going going going going going and there was to be more mindful to be more present to really take it in because and also mentally to be healthy right it's important to balance this hard work with a little joy yeah you only come back sharper exactly have you found that as well has that been a big part of your recovery to recognize you were talking about sleep earlier like talk to me about the need for rest and recovery and what you do to really find stillness i feel like recovery is uh is the key you know it and if before i would blame myself even for going um for a dinner during the tournament because i would think think I would feel like, oh, it's it just struck me and I wouldn't be able to be focused tomorrow.

Speaker 1 No, it's wrong. You know,

Speaker 1 you have to go for dinner, you have to do things that brings you joy.

Speaker 1 You have to like sleep, you have to focus on your recovery as well because this is part of the process, you know, like to be able physically and mentally handle this pressure and this intensity,

Speaker 1 you have to have a good recovery. So it's also one of the main priorities for us.

Speaker 2 I love that. So, Irina, I know you have this Battle of the Sexes game coming up with Nick.
Nick had been on the show.

Speaker 2 Very excited about this repeat. I don't think it's ever been done again.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's been done like a long, long time ago. Yeah, Billy Jing King.
Yeah, like really long time. Yes.
When was that? What was the year? The 70s.

Speaker 2 The 70s, yeah.

Speaker 1 Great movie.

Speaker 1 It's been a while, right? There's a movie about the.

Speaker 2 If anyone hasn't seen the actual game, there's a great movie about it too. And so with Emma Stone, I think it's...

Speaker 1 We're bringing it back.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're bringing it back. What inspired this?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 yeah, since we're fighting for equal price money, I believe

Speaker 1 that's the reason. No? No, but mostly just...
I think it's fun and it's cool to see and it's

Speaker 1 interesting for me to play against the man and I'm ready to kick his, I will allow to use this ass, kick his ass, right?

Speaker 1 I'm putting a lot of pressure on him right now, so I hope he's going to just just withdraw from feeling all of the pressure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can say whatever you want. Give us that message to Nick.
I'm gonna send it to Nick straight away after this message.

Speaker 1 Well, Nick, you gotta be ready. You better be ready.
And

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm gonna kick your ass now.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.
I think the ATP is gonna cancel the battle.

Speaker 1 Gonna be like, well, okay, if it's happening, let it be like Yannick or Carlos, but no, not Nick.

Speaker 2 This is turning into like a boxing match, it feels like.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, I'll make sure that

Speaker 1 I'll send him some drinks before the battle, just so you know.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, and you've got some little tricks up your sleeve like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm gonna make sure he's not ready.

Speaker 2 I love it. And talk to me about this court chains they're gonna have to help make it make sense.

Speaker 1 So basically, I'll be on the side with like a smaller court. Got it.

Speaker 2 And he has a smaller area to

Speaker 1 hit. And

Speaker 1 he's gonna be on the regular size. so kind of like unfair already right well I don't know if it's unfair and I think we're gonna have one surf each

Speaker 2 that's it that's very exciting where is it taking place we're still trying to figure it out okay all right I want to come watch come so you're gonna let me know yeah okay

Speaker 1 you're gonna sit on I'll cheer for you I'll cheer for you

Speaker 2 I'm gonna mess his neck now again I'm cheering for

Speaker 1 you yeah I love it I'm on your side

Speaker 2 thank you Irina is there anything I haven't asked you that you wish wish I did ask you?

Speaker 1 Anything you wanted to ask me? You know, I think you, I mean, you know what you do. You know what you do.
You ask everything

Speaker 1 I wish

Speaker 1 of talking about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm making sure because

Speaker 2 I don't take these opportunities for granted. I feel so lucky that I get to sit with you

Speaker 2 48 hours after winning. I feel so fortunate I get to speak to one of the best.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy.

Speaker 1 Number one in the world. I'm so happy to be in your podcast.
And it's been a dream of mine for so long. And finally, we did it.
We did it. We did it.

Speaker 2 I'm so grateful that I get to be part of your dreams. I mean, that we end every episode with a final five.
So these have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay.
But

Speaker 2 I always go away from that.

Speaker 1 So don't worry about it. Okay.
Let's see.

Speaker 2 Arena Savalenka, these are your final five. The first question is: what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 Focus on yourself and don't listen to people because most of the people want you to fail. So focus on yourself and on people close to you.

Speaker 2 Who said that to you?

Speaker 1 My father.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. How old were you when he first said that?

Speaker 1 He said it to me when I was 17, I think. Okay.

Speaker 1 He was waiting probably for the moment for me to be ready to, I don't know, to

Speaker 1 accept some sort of deep advice, actually.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how long before you feel you really took it to heart and really understood it?

Speaker 1 Maybe when he passed away. You know, I feel like when we're we're losing

Speaker 1 a person,

Speaker 1 this is the moment when we actually

Speaker 1 realize how much we lost, you know? Like, and we appreciate every little small detail. And the memories keep still coming up in my head, you know, I'm like, oh,

Speaker 1 you know?

Speaker 1 So you have to...

Speaker 1 You have to

Speaker 1 appreciate if you still have your family just for people, you have to appreciate it and you have to really

Speaker 1 take care of your closest one

Speaker 2 do you keep any physical part of him on you at any time when you're playing or in your bag or anywhere or not really that's it's more in your heart and your mind it's more in my heart it's more in my heart when he passed away I had

Speaker 1 audios from him

Speaker 1 but then I was crying like crazy when I

Speaker 1 when I figured that they disappeared after like a year and I didn't like record it save it somehow it wasn't in in the app just to like keep his voice.

Speaker 1 And because he wasn't the person who would like take a lot of videos, you know, like pictures and stuff, I don't have that either.

Speaker 1 So I was really depressed that I don't have his voice, but he's in my heart, in my memory. I think that's the most important.

Speaker 2 It's beautiful. Question number two: What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 You know, like bad things never stay in my head.

Speaker 2 Good answer.

Speaker 1 I don't remember any like bad advice. It's good answer.
Work with IMG, maybe.

Speaker 2 Good answer. All right, very cool.
Question number three.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say,

Speaker 2 oh, what would you say are your three most life-changing games that you've ever played? Three most life-changing matches. And they don't have to be finals or wins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think

Speaker 1 the semifinal. against Madison Keys at the US Open

Speaker 1 two years ago. I think, yeah,

Speaker 1 Because I was down set and I think 5-1 or something, and I came back in the match, and I won that one, and I made my first final. So I think there was the moment when

Speaker 1 I realized a lot of things.

Speaker 2 How does it feel to be 5-1 down?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 it feels terrible.

Speaker 1 It's a terrible feeling, but are you still hoping that maybe?

Speaker 2 How do you keep hope in that moment? Because 5-1 is literally like...

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like

Speaker 2 few people.

Speaker 1 Especially

Speaker 1 against big server, you you know, you're like, ah, no chance. I don't know.

Speaker 2 What are you holding on to?

Speaker 1 You're just trying, you know, like you. I was like reminding myself, I mean, it's a dream to be in the semester.
So there is no way you're going to give up.

Speaker 1 Even like, it doesn't matter how things going on, like how badly it is, you have to still try.

Speaker 1 And then maybe, maybe there is going to be a moment when you figure it something and you find your game, your rhythm, and you'll get the win. And I did it.

Speaker 1 And it was kind of like a life-changing moment. Then,

Speaker 1 what else? Winning the first slam, of course, gave me

Speaker 1 huge, huge

Speaker 1 belief, you know, that okay, I'm capable of it, and my life wasn't a waste of time, you know.

Speaker 1 And the third one, your life was definitely not a waste of time.

Speaker 1 No, but you know, I was

Speaker 1 you know, like it's it would be really difficult for me to finish my career without the slam.

Speaker 1 And the third one,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 There was one match when I won, there is a tournament in Docha, and I won the tournament, but I think in quarterfinals, I was also like down the set and was struggling a lot, was playing really not my best tennis, and I won that match, and then I won the tournament.

Speaker 1 Also, was kind of like a big moment for me.

Speaker 2 I think these three. It's amazing that the two of the ones you chose are when you're down, yeah, and you come back.

Speaker 1 Like, there's something this is the moment where you like gives you that power because next match you play, you think, oh, I mean, come on, I've been down five once.

Speaker 1 Seriously, you think that I'm gonna give up like that just because I like lose my surf or whatever? So it just gives you that power to fight.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a great reminder to all of us that

Speaker 2 those are the moments to look out for because they become your best, or they become your best glory.

Speaker 1 Stay there, stay there, keep fighting.

Speaker 1 And is this is probably the biggest moment yeah uh question number three what do you think people misunderstand about you that you'd like to clarify well i think because now i'm sharing myself more on social media they have better understanding about me but i think there is still some people that they think that the way i'm on court this is like reflection of me off court which is not true because i think as i said earlier you know i'm i'm quite aggressive because i'm on court because I'm fighting for my dream there.

Speaker 1 And this is not the time where you have to be nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because of the court, I'm much nicer, like I'm chill. It's really tough to get into a fight with me, you know?

Speaker 1 So you have to do something terrible.

Speaker 1 Probably my boyfriend will say different, but I still think,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 so people misunderstand that, that I'm different.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if people say, like, oh, she's too emotional or unstable or whatever it is, you're like, that's just on the court. I have to.

Speaker 1 That's, yeah, that's on the court. That's arena on the court.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's not arena off-court. Yeah.
I get that. I mean,

Speaker 2 this sounds ridiculous, but it's so true. Like, me and my friends just play amateur everything.
Like, I don't play any sport well, but we get so competitive just playing around. So I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 I love watching, like, you know, people

Speaker 1 play tennis for fun. That's what I'm saying.
I can't imagine.

Speaker 2 But they're not taking it as fun, you know, they go full exactly and you're like actually playing a tournament like I'm like I'm pretty I'm pretty all my friends know that when we're playing a sport I'm extremely competitive and I'm not like that in real life or in person you know and that's and I'm not even playing the final you know and so yeah there's there has to be a bit of grace I feel like there has to be a bit of grace for athletes.

Speaker 2 I'm like,

Speaker 1 you realize. Yeah, like a little bit like, you know, like stop yourself and like look at everything as the bigger picture, you know, like, okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 question number four: before the fifth, which where do I want to go here?

Speaker 2 One day, long time from now, we hope you're going to win so many more grand slams. I'm putting out loads of good energy.

Speaker 2 What would you, when you look back on your career, what would you like for yourself to feel about it? What would you like to say about your own career?

Speaker 1 I would love to look back and say I've done everything I could,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I want my career to be

Speaker 1 remembered. Like, and then I want to see young kids being inspired by me.
And I want to look back and know that I actually inspired a lot. And

Speaker 1 yeah, I want to be in the history.

Speaker 2 I love that. I love that.
You already are.

Speaker 1 You already are.

Speaker 1 Sort of.

Speaker 1 Not even close to the greatest, but

Speaker 1 trying.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 the trying is the most important part. It's wonderful to hear you say that.
It's really special if you remind kids to try. I think that would help a lot of kids.
Because

Speaker 2 not every kid will become number one, but every kid can try and chase their dream. That would be a good world to live in.

Speaker 1 So just give your best, and

Speaker 1 that's all you can do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fifth and final question, Arena. We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show.
The question is: if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Speaker 1 I want everything

Speaker 1 to be decided in a conversation

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 no words and and stuff just like sit down speak and figure out all of the problems

Speaker 2 that's a great law

Speaker 2 that's what we need in the world right now save a lot of lives yeah save a lot of lives yeah if we were able to solve things by just by talking sitting and figuring and not leaving the room

Speaker 2 before you figured something yeah that's a great answer we never had that before irina savelenka congratulations again thank you thank you thank you for doing this thank you for looking forward to coming on many years.

Speaker 2 Usually when people come on once, they come on a few times. So I look forward to doing this with you many, many times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's make it as our transition.

Speaker 2 Yes, I'd love that. I'd love that.
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Thank you for bringing the first ever trophy of the show. You deserve it.
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Speaker 1 Thank you so much for having me.

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