Scott Van Pelt Live From Augusta, Rory Wins An Incredible Masters, NBA Playoffs Set, Who's Back And Monday Reading

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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take, we recap an incredible Masters. Rory finally does it, completes the career grand slam.
We have SVP live from Augusta. As is tradition, a tradition unlike any other.

Speaker 1 Recapping the Masters. Incredible weekend of sports.
We're going to talk some NBA playoff seating finally set.

Speaker 1 We are going to do who's back of the week. We're going to do a little Monday reading.

Speaker 1 Great, great show. The sports were great, and we got to talk about it.
And Rory, even though we were haters,

Speaker 1 tip your cap. So we'll break it all down.

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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, April 14th, and Rory McElroy has done it. He has completed the career grand slam.
He is your masters champion for 2025. And holy shit, that was an incredible Sunday.

Speaker 3 of golf. I love that we got free golf.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That was the perfect cap off to a great masters. I wish we had more free golf.
I wish the playoff went on.

Speaker 3 Credit to us for accurately picking what was going to happen at the end of this Masters or saying it was our wish.

Speaker 1 Almost exactly spot on with Whitney.

Speaker 1 I think the exact clip was if Rory has a five-foot putt to miss to go to a playoff, will you be rooting against him? And I said, yes, absolutely. And I was.
And the hate, listen.

Speaker 1 Sometimes, as a hater, you got to tip your cap and be like, we got bested today.

Speaker 1 The haters got bested, but I'll come back stronger than ever, though.

Speaker 3 I think about the haters. The haters are remarkably resilient.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I have no regrets, too, because there's golf is obviously an interesting sport to root for because it's not like you're rooting for your team.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of guys, you have guys, you don't have guys. I would rather have a set of guys that I root for and a set of guys I hate than be like, I'm just rooting for whoever wins.

Speaker 1 And then when they win, I say, what a great story. Rory deserved it.

Speaker 1 I was hoping that Justin Rose is going to win in that playoff, but Rory exercised every single demon with that insanely schizophrenic Final 18 because he went, I think he had six birdies, three bogies, and two double bogeys.

Speaker 1 He choked multiple times, including on 18. And then he comes back and birdies 18 and wins the Masters.

Speaker 1 So, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone more relieved, happy to win a golf tournament than Rory McElroy when he won the masters?

Speaker 3 So I think Rory might be his own biggest hater. That's the thing.
That's why I'm kind of okay with how it turned out. Rory loves to choke himself out.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it's like good Rory and Bad Rory out there on the course. And it's always like Good Rory trying to fend off Bad Rory for just long enough to make it work.

Speaker 3 Usually, I feel like Bad Rory is like six and three

Speaker 1 over Good Rory.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And we saw Bad Rory take it to a playoff against Good Rory.

Speaker 1 Even to start, he went double bogey to start.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Bad Rory, he teed off on one, and Good Rory was like, fuck you, I'm not going to let you take over my day. Played pretty well.
Then the b ⁇ nine happens.

Speaker 1 Second nine.

Speaker 3 Oh, fuck. Sorry.
Can we bleep that out?

Speaker 3 The second nine happens, and the patrons were all going up and down alongside Rory because I feel like most of them were cheering him on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But then the second you see some cracks in the armor, you get that little,

Speaker 3 there's like almost excitement to see, how is Rory going to choke this one out again? Yeah. And then on 16, he hit it in the water on maybe the easiest shot ever.

Speaker 3 And this, my friends, is why you should never lay up. Because Rory tried to play it safe.
He laid up. Then he hit a little chip shot into the water.

Speaker 3 If he hit that second shot with some balls and said, fuck it, I'm going to try to win this thing. Then his second shot goes in the water.
And then he takes the drop and he avoids the double bogey.

Speaker 3 So he had that happen. He was probably pumped that Augusta doesn't allow cell phones and cameras out there.
So nobody had any bad footage of it. Didn't have to confiscate.

Speaker 3 And then on 18, going into the bunker, and when he misses that putt,

Speaker 3 there was like a groundswell of excitement in the crowd, which is like, we're witnessing history here.

Speaker 3 We're witnessing like nobody had thought that Rory could choke things away worse than he has in the past. This would be an all-timer.
What was that, a three-footer?

Speaker 1 No, five, five or six.

Speaker 1 It looked three on TV.

Speaker 3 So then I feel like people started to get excited. I started to get excited to see another classic Rory choke job, but then I saw he's playing against Justin Rose in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 And if it was a guy that I felt strongly about one way or the other, I think I would have liked to see that person beat Rory. But with Justin Rose, it's like,

Speaker 1 oh, we were. Hank and I were watching.

Speaker 1 We were still running against Rory. Justin Rose,

Speaker 1 you should feel bad for Justin Rose. That's his third, second place at the Masters, the second time he's lost in a playoff.
He lost to Sergio, Sergio, in the playoff at the Masters.

Speaker 1 And also, Justin Rose had 10 birdies today. 10 birdies in his final round, and he lost.

Speaker 2 And he just missed that short putt on 17.

Speaker 1 I know. There were so many incredible shots,

Speaker 1 both good and bad. It was just the best.
It was the best. And I, like, I, so I was thinking about it because I was really bummed out when

Speaker 1 Rory had completed the 10th, and I think he was four shots up. And I was like, this is going to suck.
There's going to be no drama. He's going to go on and win it.

Speaker 1 He didn't have to be pushed to that limit because Bryson just had a horrendous day. Sorry, Bryson D.
Shamboge,

Speaker 1 as Skip Bayless calls him, had a horrendous day, was like a total non-factor after the fourth hole.

Speaker 1 And I was bummed because I wanted, if Rory was going to win the career Grand Slam, I wanted to see him push to the brink.

Speaker 2 And he almost went in the water at 11. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's when I was like, yeah, the ball.

Speaker 2 That was when I thought the first time

Speaker 2 it's over. Yeah.
He got it. Four-shot lead, avoided the water.

Speaker 1 But the fact that Rory was pushed to the brink made me, even as a hater, I had to tip my cap and be like, that was incredible.

Speaker 1 like the the career achievement he waited 11 years to win his next major last one was in 2014 he was you know he had the four shot lead in 2011 and I'm just happy that he got pushed and he choked and he unchoked and he choked and then he got like the shot of a lifetime on 15 was an insane shot so

Speaker 1 I can lay my sword down and be like, you know what, Rory, you deserve that. Even though you choked like four times, you deserve that because you bounce back after every single one.

Speaker 1 He could have quit at any point.

Speaker 3 He beat all the haters, including us.

Speaker 3 He beat everybody he was competing against, and he beat himself, but in a good way. He beat the bad version of himself.
So he truly conquered the world today.

Speaker 1 And for the Rory fans, by the way, when we have Scott Van Pelt on, which we do every Masters live from Augusta, he will wax poetically about Rory. So you'll get all that.

Speaker 3 Jim Manso, I know, laid the biggest jinx of all time, waxing poetic on Rory down the 18th Fairway. He did it.
Talking about how he grew up. By the way, shout out Rory's dad.

Speaker 3 I don't know if Rory's dad had a future bet on him to win the Masters like he did the Open Championship. I think he won like $400,000 on that the first time Rory won.
Great dad.

Speaker 3 But yeah, Jim Nance was just, he was laying it on

Speaker 3 thick with like seven C's.

Speaker 1 And they had the graphic.

Speaker 1 If he didn't win that eighth, then that playoff, the graphic of him lining up his putt on the 18th that says going for career grand slam would have lived in infamy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. Also, yeah, shout out to Skip Bayless for dropping dropping Bryson DeShambogi on us on a Sunday.
That's one of the ones, hand up, we missed that one.

Speaker 3 But that's why Skip is the man. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.

Speaker 1 I was getting accused of jinxing because I was like, Rory's got this. It was right after the ball didn't go in the water.
I was like, it's just his day.

Speaker 1 And then I realized, like, you have to have those moments where you're like, listen,

Speaker 1 you could be a

Speaker 1 narcissist and think that you can actually affect these games, which you can't, and that you jinx it. And then you have to realize there's a higher power at play.
And his name is Skip Bayless because

Speaker 1 right before I think Rory went into the water officially, he tweeted, Congratulations, Rory, for winning the 2025 Masters and completing the career Grand Slam. Extraordinary performance.

Speaker 1 Was I ever wrong about today? And Bryson D. Shamboge.

Speaker 1 That was, he tweeted that on the 12th hole.

Speaker 3 I think I tweeted out congrats to Rory on winning the Masters at like 10 a.m. this morning.

Speaker 3 I was so pumped up to see a potential Rory choke job.

Speaker 1 And he did. That's why I'm not as mad.
If he had just waltzed into a four-stroke victory,

Speaker 1 I would have been a real salty bitch right now.

Speaker 1 He really did, like, he gave us all the chokes, and then he still won. So I'm like, you know what? Fair play.
Like, shake hands. Good job.
You gave me the moments I needed.

Speaker 1 I needed those moments where it was like, holy shit, this is actually happening again. And then he eventually gets the grand slam.

Speaker 1 I am happy for him that he gets the monkey off his back in that respect.

Speaker 3 It was a win-win, truly, for everybody involved. Also, I I don't know if you saw this, but last night,

Speaker 3 my man Skip put this out. Rory McElroy is the LeBron James of golf.

Speaker 3 A supremely gifted, nice guy without killer instinct. Bryson DeCambeau is the Jake Paul of golf.
Oh, who isn't afraid to do it his way?

Speaker 3 Skip Ellis just definitely walks around all day looking at things and being like, you know what that reminds me of? LeBron James. LeBron James.
Who I hate, by the way.

Speaker 1 Jake Paul, too.

Speaker 3 I think Skip is in love with LeBron James. He just wants one season.
He sees him everywhere.

Speaker 1 If LeBron would just mention him once. Once it would be great.
One time.

Speaker 2 It did feel as a hater.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank, you're actually the.

Speaker 1 I think if we ranked our hater-ness of Rory here, you're number one.

Speaker 3 But you defended him when he stole the young man's cell phone. I made one side comment.

Speaker 1 I remember that was because

Speaker 1 he thinks he takes the side of the players.

Speaker 2 He's not a child. That was just one comment.
He hates me. That just jumped down my throat about it.
But

Speaker 2 I was rooting against him. It felt very similar to 2016 LeBron, similar where it's like you root so hard against them and they accomplish

Speaker 1 history.

Speaker 2 And it's basically, you're never going to be able to get your level of hate up again.

Speaker 1 No, he won't.

Speaker 2 He won't have LeBron lost that Warrior series and his finals record. You could always run that narrative.
If Rory chokes this, the narrative never goes away. Now it's like if you're hating, it's just

Speaker 2 a much harder hate. Yeah, we had to retire.
I'm sad about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had to retire because Rory, no matter what, he is now the sixth all-time to have the career grand slam, the only the second next to Tiger Woods to do it in the last 50 years.

Speaker 1 So, like in the modern era, he's he's, and I actually think, I'll say this, I think Rory might go on a hot streak. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because, like, that was, that did feel like the monkey off your back Steve Young moment where the way that went down and the chokes and the unchokes and the big shots and the shot of a lifetime, Rory might just rip off, you know, he might get to 10 majors.

Speaker 1 I'll call it right now.

Speaker 2 He's got nothing to lose. Yeah.

Speaker 3 When Tiger came back and won at Augusta, was it 2019? Yeah. 2018? That felt like he left it all out there.

Speaker 3 We all kind of knew, like, this is, it's incredible that this is happening, but let's not expect Tiger to go on one of his runs. With Rory, he's been so close so recently.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's been incredible. And he rode to Dubai.

Speaker 3 Never heard of him.

Speaker 3 That was more important than the. That's what got the monkey off his back.

Speaker 1 What did you guys make of it? Came out afterwards that Rory refused to say a word to Bryson during the round. I kind of love that.

Speaker 3 Bryson said he wouldn't talk to me at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love that because Bryson probably, his brain was, was, was malfunctioning, being like, but my PR team told me that if I do the YouTube, guys will talk to me.

Speaker 3 Well, he needs the comment section to get his next jokes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bryson was, I mean,

Speaker 1 I still, I bet on him to start the day just because I was like, I want to bet on something and I had no other bets going. And I was, so I was begrudgingly a Bryson rider.
I didn't like it. A Bryder?

Speaker 1 A Bryder. I didn't like it.
He, I mean, he just was a notion. I actually think Rory kind of ropa-doped him pretty well after the first hole.

Speaker 1 Like, after the first hole, you're like, Bryson's going to win this going away. And Bryson got comfortable and then just kept on going down.

Speaker 3 They did an interview with him afterwards, and they're like, what happened with

Speaker 3 one of your misses? I forget which one it was, but he was like, yeah, you know, the wind picked up after I hit it. So there's really not a lot I can do about that.

Speaker 3 And then he, like, looks at her and goes, I guess I'll just have to learn to hit the ball harder. So now

Speaker 3 that's his solution for everything. He's going to have to drive the ball farther.

Speaker 1 Was that the interview that they awkwardly did during the playoff? Because there was that one where they cut to Bryce and were like, we don't need to hear from Bryson. Yeah, you're doing it.

Speaker 3 He didn't finish second.

Speaker 3 That's always such a disappointment when the last group, when it's worse when both guys don't end up in competition at the very end, but when one guy just bows out, that's just sad to watch him finish the round of golf.

Speaker 1 Well, and

Speaker 1 how do you say his name? Oberg? Oberg. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He hasn't earned the umlaut.

Speaker 1 That was tough. 18, just making everyone wait because he couldn't hit.

Speaker 2 He just got a lot of money. I thought that was great for the.
I thought he was icing Rory.

Speaker 2 I was pumped about it.

Speaker 1 See, this is why he's an up on Haley.

Speaker 3 I bet on. I'm going to call him Aberg until he wins.
He doesn't deserve that.

Speaker 3 I bet on him. And Hank, please remind me to not bet on him to win any majors.
That's tough.

Speaker 2 Because he's going to.

Speaker 3 But here's the thing. Did you see how he finished today?

Speaker 2 He choked last year, too.

Speaker 3 Yes. And this wasn't just a choke.
He could have easily been, yeah.

Speaker 3 He could have won, but if he had the lead outright, and that's how he ended his round, people would be, let's say he was in the final group today, and that's how he finished his round when

Speaker 3 he was in contention to win. People would be talking about that as maybe the biggest meltdown outside that French guy at the Open Championship or Greg Norman.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but no, I think it would be like just as bad, if not worse, than Norman, the way he played those last few holes.

Speaker 2 I kept saying, as a hater, I was like, you know, me and Max were in here and picked out the end, but I was like, what if he just, you know, duffed one 100 yards in front of him?

Speaker 2 Like, what if he just hit a tree and it just came backwards?

Speaker 2 Ludwig actually did that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did that.

Speaker 2 Like he just hit it into the bunker.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hank and Bunker were doing the opposite, Hank.

Speaker 6 I was I was sitting there asking questions like I think blah blah blah. And he's like, nah, Rory's got this every time.
He was like, this is easy for him. Up, up, and down every time.

Speaker 1 Hank also shushed us before a tea show. I was like, did you just shushed us? They were talking about the fucking draft lottery rankings.
Oh, yeah, that's the other thing.

Speaker 6 We got to figure out how to get to the lottery.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's in Chicago.
Is it really? Yeah. When is it? I don't know.
It's like very private, but we. That's what we were talking about.

Speaker 1 I was saying, I hope the Bulls don't make the playoffs and I can be in the lottery because I'm convinced in my dumb brain they'll rig it for the Bulls. I need to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I got to be in the. I got to be in the middle.

Speaker 3 Or maybe they have it all. Maybe the Wizards, like, who else are the Wizards going to ask to step in to be the representative?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Washington Wizards. Listen, I would love to represent the Wizards.
You love the Wizards.

Speaker 1 You have always loved the Wizards.

Speaker 3 Nobody beats it. Zards.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Yeah.
Zards.

Speaker 3 I'm a Bullets fan.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but the whole, whatever it was, last two hours of the Masters on Sunday. The whole round.
Yeah, the whole round

Speaker 2 three shot swing off the jump, and then it was just.

Speaker 1 But especially

Speaker 1 when Justin Rose started making his moves. I mean, what a fucking putt on 18, too, for Justin Rose.
But that, it was just, it was sports at its finest.

Speaker 1 Like, I was just sitting there smiling ear to ear, being like, no matter what happens here,

Speaker 1 you know, you're watching history. It ended up being real history because of his grand slam.

Speaker 1 It was great. It was great.
And our boy Max, T12. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he gets automatically back to the Masters next year.

Speaker 3 Max had a great weekend.

Speaker 3 The round that he shot on Friday, I think it was a 70 that he shot on Friday. That was the best 70 that you'll ever see in your life.

Speaker 3 He was scrambling all day, somehow made it work. I'm very happy for him.
I'm also very happy that JT didn't do that great.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because if JT had finished like top five, his caddy is Max's old caddy that broke up with him.

Speaker 1 Well, just for this week. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Just for this week.

Speaker 3 But still,

Speaker 3 Max doesn't need that.

Speaker 1 No. No.
No,

Speaker 1 Max might be back. This might be the start of the championship DVD.
Got him pumped up. He's a superstar.

Speaker 1 What else? Oh, I was...

Speaker 1 I think we all, we weren't talking about it before, but I said before the whole Sunday started, and I think you'll agree with me, PFT, like when you were looking at who could win this.

Speaker 1 Patrick Reeve somehow winning it would have been hilarious. I mean, he actually

Speaker 1 put 15, yeah. I know the Eagle that he hold out.
He

Speaker 1 hold out. Yeah, he ended up, what, like, third or fourth?

Speaker 2 No, he had a birdie put on 15 that he three-putted. Like, he missed the

Speaker 2 missed the par putt, which is two shots, which did you guys see?

Speaker 1 He would have been tied. Scotty was a little extra icy to Rory in the Butler cabin.

Speaker 3 I didn't sense that.

Speaker 1 I sense Scotty being not like in a fuck you way, more in a, I'm the best golfer in the world. I should be winning this every year way.

Speaker 3 You're like, he's pissed off at himself.

Speaker 1 He's going to go on a fuck you tour because he, I mean, he had Saturday was what did him in when he ended up finishing fourth, and he just couldn't, he could not get it going on Saturday.

Speaker 2 He's also going to be the new narrative guy. He might just be a masters merchant.
He's got to, he's got to win a major that's not the masters. Oh, you're not.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking, like, oh, you're just looking for the new narrative guy.

Speaker 2 I'm thinking Rory's, that was the narrative for a long time, not only at the Masters, but 10 years at Majors. You know, he kind of choked at the Open a few years ago.

Speaker 2 Last year at the U.S. Open.
Interesting. That's a big narrative that's gone now.

Speaker 1 And Scotty Shepherd.

Speaker 2 I've already seen a couple tweets where it's like, Scotty Scheffler is the best in the world. People compare him to Tiger.
These are his finishes in majors in his last 10 majors.

Speaker 2 It's not the greatest.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 2 In terms of being called the greatest, he's the number one. He's the best.
You're right.

Speaker 1 That's going to be. He finished tied for second in the PGA two years ago and the U.S.
Open three years ago. But still, Hank, narrative, he's the narrative finder.

Speaker 2 I like Scotty. I like Scotty too.
I'm just, I feel bad. Like, it's like, someone's got to take up that torch, and he's,

Speaker 2 he's the number one. He's the number one golfer.

Speaker 1 I'm a Scotty guy. I do think that golf is one of those weird sports where you get accused of like, hey, why are you rooting against Roy?

Speaker 1 It's like, I just can't, I have to, I have to pick my sides in golf. I can't be whoever wins.
I'm just going to be like, oh, I'm so happy for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's only, it's more fun if you have your side.

Speaker 3 It's a weird sport. It's like this and I guess guess auto racing is kind of similar where you just like pick a guy and you're like, I enjoy rooting for that one person.
Right.

Speaker 3 And then if they have any sort of like

Speaker 3 any semblance of beef with anybody else, then that guy is now your mortal enemy because you like rooting for that other human.

Speaker 1 I know that the beef has been

Speaker 1 squashed with Bryson, but I did feel dirty betting on him today. Yeah, you should.

Speaker 1 I don't really want to do this. I don't want to be a brider.

Speaker 2 I generally would just root for, I had just enjoyed, I guess this is a little sick, like

Speaker 2 chokes and like comebacks. Yeah, right.
Like, I'd rather

Speaker 2 I want something to happen.

Speaker 2 If I'm going to be invested in the world, you're a journalist. I don't care that much about the players per se, except for a few.

Speaker 2 But yeah, rooting against Roy's fault.

Speaker 3 You care about the sport.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you care about the narratives. And of course.
I like to be entertained. You're a journalist.

Speaker 2 I'm here to be entertained.

Speaker 1 You are a journalist at heart.

Speaker 3 Who won the journalist lottery?

Speaker 1 Do we know that? I don't know.

Speaker 3 Let's see.

Speaker 1 I did see, I did see.

Speaker 1 There was

Speaker 1 Kyle Porter, who actually like, and he does a good job writing about golf. He had one of those tweets this morning and I was like, dude, you don't really have to say all this.

Speaker 2 What? I know it. I know it until you're talking about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this was before the round, PFT. He said, I'm completely fine if you want to call me head of the glaze committee or whatever when it comes to Rory.
Totally get it. Completely understand.

Speaker 1 I've seen every comment imaginable, and a lot I wish I hadn't. We all probably take it too far at times.
Me, possibly, most of all. It is strange to cover a generational athlete like this, though.

Speaker 1 Someone who could go down as one of the 10 to 15 best ever in his 150-year-old sport. Someone who also lets you into his humanity at times, both publicly and privately.

Speaker 1 I like Rory personally, of course, but I also think his golf and his life bring out the best in me, the best of my writing and my thinking about this stupid, ridiculous game.

Speaker 1 Certainly, there's a rabbit hole that you can go too far down and find yourself in too deep. You might be there.

Speaker 1 But I would always rather err on the side, on that side, than on the side of holding back my writing about a sport I've truly grown to love. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, saying he brings, Rory's play brings out the best in me as a writer. I love that.
That's good. Yeah, Iron Sharp.
Glaze Committee. Chairman of the head of the Glaze Committee.

Speaker 3 So I can't find out who won

Speaker 3 the lottery, but Jay Busby said they've just announced the winners of the Masters Media lottery, and you're going to be getting some good here's how I played Augusta stories on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 So a little teaser.

Speaker 3 Apparently, it's worthy selections this year. I know J.J.

Speaker 1 Watt's playing.

Speaker 1 He is. He treated that.
He's like, I got lucky enough to be able to play on Monday.

Speaker 2 Is Ken Griffey Jr.?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Did you see that? That would be pretty cool.
Yeah, I mean, he's a professional photographer.

Speaker 2 Someone's like, this is the greatest way to backdoor your way into a tea time.

Speaker 1 He rocks Ken Griffey Jr. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Him and Randy Johnson. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Big photogues. Did you see what many people are saying might have spurned Rory on to victory?

Speaker 1 Okay. No? Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, The Reckoning?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I was going to say he's reading a book. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 The Reckoning.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's the name of the book. Yeah, yeah.
I liked it better when they just reported that he was reading a book.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, it's way better. Okay.
So it's The Reckoning. First page.

Speaker 1 Here's the first page. This is going to be part of my Monday reading.
I have a different one for us, but this is the start of The Reckoning.

Speaker 1 It's a John Grisham novel. On a cold morning in early October of 1946, Pete Banning awoke before sunrise and had no thoughts of going back to sleep.

Speaker 1 For a long time he lay in the center of his bed, stared at the dark ceiling, and asked himself for the thousandth time if he had the courage.

Speaker 1 Finally, as the first trace of dawn peeked through a window, he accepted the solemn reality that it was time for the killing.

Speaker 1 The need for it had become so overwhelming that he could not continue with his daily routines. He could not remain the man he was until the deed was done.

Speaker 1 Its planning was simple, yet difficult to imagine. Its aftershocks would rattle on for decades and change the lives of those he loved and many of those he didn't.
That's the start of the book. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's time for the killing. I like it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I also like that John Grisham, all of his books are just the and then a random word. Yeah.
You're just, he's like, okay, I've got a good idea for the next one.

Speaker 3 It's going to start with the, and then he flips a dictionary and stops in a word. He's like, okay, the client.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The fountainhead is that one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's also John Grisham. That's John Grisham.

Speaker 1 Other notes from the Masters. Shout out Nick Dunlap.
That was, he actually gets my green jacket. If we're giving out a personal green jacket, he shot a 90 on Thursday and

Speaker 1 basically the worst round you could possibly shoot had the yips and came back and shot a 71 on Friday without could have easily withdrew.

Speaker 1 He was like dropping his driver on in the T-box constantly. He's my personal green jacket.

Speaker 3 So I was looking up the worst rounds ever shot at Augusta. The worst round ever shot technically never happened at Augusta because the guy that shot it, Billy Casper, he shot it in 2005.

Speaker 3 He shot 106 at Augusta, but in an all-time baller move, he finishes and refuses to sign a scorecard. I love that.
So it doesn't officially count. I love that.

Speaker 3 So the 106 that he shot is not the worst round ever shot there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That was very smart of him.

Speaker 1 Also, another note from

Speaker 1 Augusta, which is, I think, very important. Probably the most important thing that happened

Speaker 1 for everyone who's watching.

Speaker 1 There's a huge collectible difference between Rory winning and and Rose winning. Masters 2025 flags would not sell out if Rose won.

Speaker 3 Badge would be half as collectible.

Speaker 1 That's what I thought of immediately when it happened.

Speaker 3 The badge.

Speaker 1 The badge. Half as collectible.
That was from Darren Ravel.

Speaker 1 He had an all-timer.

Speaker 3 Let me pull this up real quick.

Speaker 3 Half as collectible. He's been on one this weekend.

Speaker 3 This was sent to me by our good friend and kickoff ruiner, Sam Schwartzstein.

Speaker 3 Should items. This was a picture of gloves worn in the Frozen Four this weekend.
The person who wore the gloves scored.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Western Michigan, by the way. Maxion, incredible story.

Speaker 1 One going away against BU on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 So this guy scored four goals.

Speaker 1 Tony Scheffler, by the way, shout out.

Speaker 3 Darren Revelle says, should items like this go to the Hall of Fame in an era when collectibles are becoming more increasingly valuable?

Speaker 3 They sent the gloves to the Hall of Fame, and Darren's saying, why are these going?

Speaker 3 Why should anyone be able to enjoy these when one person can pay for the right to only have them enjoy it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, why should the whole world be able to go visit these gloves and see history instead of just one privately wealthy person be able to put it in their house?

Speaker 3 Yeah, why can't they check out these gloves? So, why is this in the Hockey Hall of Fame when I could buy it and then put it in my closet for 60 years?

Speaker 1 It makes a lot more sense how he had that MLK memorabilia. More's like, this should be in a museum, dude.

Speaker 3 More increasingly valuable is also a great sentence.

Speaker 1 The other story I had,

Speaker 1 maybe all-time vibes guy. Also, maybe something you need to work towards, Hank.
The marker. I didn't realize they changed their marker.

Speaker 1 So at Augusta, if there's an odd number of guys that make the cut,

Speaker 1 the last pairing, the last person plays with a marker who's just a member at Augusta.

Speaker 1 This person plays with them, plays around with them, doesn't keep their score, also picks up anything within eight feet, but is a really good, really, really good golfer.

Speaker 1 The guy's name is Michael McDermott, so I think they had one marker for like 20 years. This guy took over a couple of years ago.
Might be an all-time vibes guy.

Speaker 1 So he played with Tom Kim on the third round. Tom Kim had his best round of the weekend or of the week.

Speaker 1 Shot a 72. And then Brian Campbell today shot a 68 with Michael McDermott, the marker.
So that's got to be the coolest thing. We were talking about the e-bug with Whitney.

Speaker 1 The fact that there's a guy who gets to go play Sunday pins in front of the crowd is one of the coolest things ever.

Speaker 3 So, also with this guy, he doesn't have the score, like you said. He is not allowed to speak to the media.
Yep. And he does not get his name on the back of the caddy.
Yep. So

Speaker 3 the guy, Michael, what's his name? Michael McDermott. He's also apparently the CEO of a financial company.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he's a member at Pine Valley, Marion, and Augusta. I looked it up.

Speaker 1 Pine Valley is, Marion is the fifth best private club in the country. Pine Valley's sixth.

Speaker 1 So imagine like this guy going to Pine Valley and being like, yeah, this actually is my least favorite private club because he's also a member of Augusta.

Speaker 3 What if he shot like...

Speaker 2 He's like the greatest networker of all time. That's what I was like right now.

Speaker 1 Apparently he's an incredible golfer. But still, there's plenty of incredible golfers.

Speaker 2 How do you, you know, get access to all these

Speaker 2 to let alone then be like, of all the Augusta members to be like, all right, you're going to be with the marker.

Speaker 1 I think it has to be it because there's a lot of Augusta members like Bill Gates and Roger Goodell who like, you can't have them be the marker.

Speaker 1 It's got to be kind of someone a little bit anonymous and a really good golfer. But, oh my God.
I mean, that's the coolest.

Speaker 2 He must just

Speaker 1 pray.

Speaker 2 He must be the most nervous person on movie on Friday. Right.
Just praying for an odd number.

Speaker 1 Right. And you also, like, you know, they have to do it this way because if they just got a random person, that person would talk to the media.
If it's an Augusta member,

Speaker 1 that guy's never, ever going to say a word to the media about anything because he doesn't want to give up his privilege.

Speaker 3 What if he shot like a 66, 67? He did two rounds earlier. Like, what if he would have made the cut?

Speaker 1 He beat, there's stories. The previous one beat guys sometimes.
Like, there was, I think there was a story about a marker beating,

Speaker 1 was it Jeff Knox, the previous one?

Speaker 6 Yeah, this guy has the course record at Augusta.

Speaker 1 And he beat a player in a round, and like the player got, oh, yeah, Sergio. Sergio was pissed.
And he pissed at him. And Rory.
He was pissed because he was too rich. And Rory chokes.

Speaker 1 I think he beat Sergio, and Sergio was mad about it.

Speaker 3 Matt Knox. I would later say that Knox was the best I've ever seen on Augusta's Greens.
Ready?

Speaker 1 Garcia finished one over 73. Knox finished 72.
Garcia refused to shake Knox's hand after the rounds. That's awesome.

Speaker 6 And like Tiger Woods would go, like, this guy was, this was the marker that I heard the story about this week. Like, Tiger would go to this guy before every

Speaker 6 Masters tournament and like ask him about the Greens, like, yeah, how they are at that time. Like, this guy is such a legend.

Speaker 3 That guy had just, if you're the marker at Augusta, you are just part of the golf course.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have a question about Augusta Hank.

Speaker 1 Did they take a bunch of trees out? Isn't that a story? Hurricane. The hurricane.
Yeah, the hurricane

Speaker 1 made it a lot easier. Did it?

Speaker 3 At 10.

Speaker 1 I feel like there was times where Rory or anyone would hit into the woods, and then they'd go to Dottie, who's phenomenal, by the way. Dottie's like so soothing.

Speaker 1 They'd be like, hey, Dottie, what do you see? And she'd be like. He's got a perfect look.
Not much. Like, he can just go right over this tower.

Speaker 1 He's got no problem. There's no trees.

Speaker 3 Not A-Barrick. A-Barick wasn't good.

Speaker 1 They got to get more trees in there.

Speaker 3 Fucking tree magnet.

Speaker 1 I just want to go to the bottom.

Speaker 2 I would do a shot tracer as part of it, too. The shot tracer, like, it initially will go right and you're like, oh, that's going to keep going.
Right.

Speaker 1 And it'll just go right in the fairway. But I just, when you get in the woods, I want you in the woods.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, the hurricane took him out on 10.

Speaker 1 The guys were cutting the corner.

Speaker 3 It was ridiculous. You could see where there should be trees.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Get those trees back in there.

Speaker 3 Get those trees back in there.

Speaker 1 Incredible golf tournament, though.

Speaker 1 Happy for Rory begrudgingly. I mean, that show of emotion after he did it, that was as genuine and as cool as it gets.
Even my cold hater heart could be like, man,

Speaker 1 the amount of dream come true. Like, the relief, though, there's, it's, it's different than a guy winning.
And, you know, if Rory had won in 2011, it would have been nothing like that.

Speaker 1 Winning now, the relief that he has, that he finally did it, because if he had spent his entire career being the guy guy who was one short of the career Grand Slam, it would have haunted him.

Speaker 1 So, I yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm happy for him. I know, I know that sounds pussy because we were haters.
Well, no, I mean, it was fun.

Speaker 3 We saw him choke. He choked.
That was good.

Speaker 2 I'm happy for him. I'm sad for my hate.
Yeah, like it's gone. My hate is

Speaker 1 extinguished it. Yeah.
He vanquished it.

Speaker 3 What was the genesis of your hate towards Rory?

Speaker 1 Was it during the live stuff? It was really the hated stuff.

Speaker 2 It was a lot of live stuff, which live, I think I'm done with live, although some, you know, they did

Speaker 2 okay, but

Speaker 2 our boys, my, I mean, Brooks, Max, Camp Smith, my three favorite golfers, and Brooks and Camp Smith. That hurt a lot.

Speaker 2 But it was, it was the live stuff. And then even like the U.S.
Open. No, it was really Ryder Cup.

Speaker 1 It was the Open. The Ryder Cup was for me.

Speaker 2 It was the Open. Camp Smith.
I was rooting so hard for Cam Smith and rooting for Rory to miss those putts, and he kept missing him. He kept missing him.
That was so fun.

Speaker 2 And then he did it again in the U.S. Open.
It was so fun.

Speaker 2 So it's not like a deep-rooted hate, a little different than LeBron, but that open versus Camp Smith was like such a fun Sunday viewing hating experience where everyone was rooting for him.

Speaker 2 He had so many putts and he just left everything so short.

Speaker 2 And then it happened again against Bryson.

Speaker 2 The U.S. Open was shocking.

Speaker 1 He missed those three-footers.

Speaker 2 So that was probably the genesis.

Speaker 1 Mine was the Ryder Cup hat gate. Remember the fight in the parking lot? I just got very, you know, USA.
Oh, fuck that.

Speaker 3 It is tough when you kind of like a guy and and then you have to compete against him in the Ryder Cup where you're like, fuck this guy. Then forever, he's got that state.

Speaker 3 Like I rooted against him that one time and I kind of liked it. Right.
And I kind of want to keep it doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 I'm not a natural Rory hater. Like I didn't have a really a strong opinion about him for whatever the first, I don't know, 10 years of his career.

Speaker 1 Then Ryder Cup, then the cell phone, then just some of the media stuff to live, the wheels out, spinning the weed off, which I actually loved because it was just great how upset everyone was.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 that's where mine came from.

Speaker 3 Why are you burying the lead, though, Hank?

Speaker 3 You might be done with Live. Are you going to unlive yourself?

Speaker 1 Don't do it.

Speaker 2 For the Masters, yes.

Speaker 2 I'm done with thinking that

Speaker 2 the Liv guys can make it happen. Do you think there's any.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do it next year then.

Speaker 1 Good luck. Hater Max.

Speaker 1 It's a hater void. But it would be right.

Speaker 6 Like, if the year that you stopped doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you think you don't want to miss out on that opportunity?

Speaker 1 There's anything to be said with the Live guys did really well the first year that Live happened, and they competed in all these majors. They did really well.
And then as the years have gone on,

Speaker 1 it's because

Speaker 1 they all have a ton of money, and they're all playing 54 holes, right? Tournament? What is it? 56? 54. 54.
And

Speaker 1 they're not pushed the same way.

Speaker 2 Yes, I've come around. I've come all the way around.

Speaker 3 Who are the four aces again?

Speaker 2 It's Patrick Reed, Dustin Johnson, Harold Varner, and.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 we were so close.

Speaker 2 Let's go, Peter Euline.

Speaker 1 Okay. Nah, he was down.

Speaker 2 That was a while ago.

Speaker 3 It's been two years of you trying to name the four aces.

Speaker 2 They change a lot, dude.

Speaker 1 They're going through some stuff.

Speaker 1 Dustin Johnson, Harold Varner. Patrick Reed, Harold Varner, and who's the last one?

Speaker 3 Thomas Peters.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like. come on.
Belgium.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk some other sports. We're going to do more

Speaker 1 masters with SVP.

Speaker 1 He's live from Augusta, as is tradition.

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Speaker 1 All right, NBA playoffs are here. We have our seeding.
The Cavs are the one seed. They're going to play the winner of the Magic.

Speaker 1 Sorry, the winner of Magic

Speaker 1 Heat Hawks loser versus Heat Bulls winner. I hate the playing.
I hate the playing.

Speaker 1 Celtics are the two seed. They're going to play the winner of Magic Hawks.

Speaker 1 Knicks versus Pistons, Pacers versus Bucs. That's the East.
The West is Thunder vs.

Speaker 1 the Warriors, Grizzlies, loser versus the Kings Magic winner. Again, I hate the playing.

Speaker 1 Rockets are the two seed versus the Warriors, Grizzlies winner. Three seed is Lakers, T-Wolves.
Four seed is Nuggets Clippers. We had crazy dramas going on during the Masters.

Speaker 1 The Warriors were trying to not be in the play-in. They lost in overtime to the Clippers.

Speaker 1 Thoughts, boys? I'm excited for some playoffs.

Speaker 1 I do not like the play-in because I've said from the beginning it is a ploy for the Jerry Reinsdorf type owners to convince their fan base that they've made it to the playoffs when they have not.

Speaker 3 I might like the play-in game. I like watching the play-in tournament for one exclusive reason this postseason.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's if the Mavericks go in a little run. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That would be very, very funny to see. But outside of that, no, I don't, I don't like the playing tournament sucks.
Like eight seeds. Give it to us eight seeds.

Speaker 3 Don't break the nine and the ten into it. The regular season's long.
We've got a big enough sample size.

Speaker 3 We introduced this just so that we could try to get superstars in that were playing on shitty teams. It sucks.
I don't like it at all.

Speaker 1 It's think about this. I know obviously the Warriors can win and get in, but the Warriors are 48 and 34.

Speaker 1 There's a world where the Mavericks at 39 and 43 could get in over a 48-34 team. You played 82 games.
It's stupid.

Speaker 1 And again, I'm personally biased because Jerry Reinsdorf uses the Bulls being, I think this is like the sixth straight year that we've been in the playing game.

Speaker 3 It makes the regular season mean even less, which is hard to do for the NBA. Yeah.
But somehow you managed to water it down a little bit more. It'd be so funny, though, if the Mavericks went around.

Speaker 3 In the name of hilarity and just like chaos, that's what I'm rooting for.

Speaker 2 NBA should have had the schedule today, tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Like, insane.

Speaker 1 Insane to go up against the Masters. It's so stupid.
So, Hank, so we're going to do a big preview probably on Friday, maybe get Wendy on or Rosillo. Hank, you are

Speaker 1 wanting who? The Magic or the Hawks?

Speaker 2 I'm wanting the Hawks. Okay.

Speaker 2 Wow. We've been.

Speaker 1 Scared of the Magic. We

Speaker 2 have as bad a record against the Magic as it might be the worst record we have in the last three years against any team.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 2 I think we're like two and five or three and six or something in our last nine.

Speaker 3 Are you more scared of the Magic than you are of the Cavs?

Speaker 2 Possibly, yeah.

Speaker 3 You disrespect the Cavs.

Speaker 2 I'm not worried about the Cavs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Bulls could beat the Cavs.

Speaker 1 You keep saying that, and you're just...

Speaker 1 That means you're scared of the Cavs. Like, that actually says that you're scared of the Cavs because you keep saying, I want the Bulls to beat the Cavs.

Speaker 2 I didn't say I want them to. I'm just saying, like, the Bulls are trending.
The Cavs are overrated.

Speaker 1 Again, March basketball that we played a week ago, and the Cavs beat us by 20.

Speaker 3 I think it's half Hank disrespecting the Cavs,

Speaker 3 half Hank hating the Cavs,

Speaker 3 and then the last is Hank being like half scared of the Cavs. Yeah, three halves to Hank's hatred.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited for the West playoffs, though, because the Lakers and T-Wolves are going to be great. T-Wolves have been playing well down the stretch.
I mean, I don't know where the Warriors

Speaker 1 like Rockets, old heads versus new guys. Yeah.
It's going to be fun.

Speaker 2 Well, Doka Revenge.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
And then Ja Morant, the Grizzlies, I don't know.

Speaker 3 I want Jaw to keep playing more because I want him to keep finding different ways to pull out weapons, fake weapons, like throwing grenades at the crowd. I want him to turn like a nuclear weapon key.

Speaker 3 He has to get a teammate to help him do that one.

Speaker 3 I want this to keep getting more and more violent. And then Jaw just being like, fuck it, find me.
Do whatever you want to.

Speaker 3 Nobody's talking about the Rockets. Nobody's talked about the Rockets all year.
The Rockets are good. Should we put some respect on the Rockets?

Speaker 1 Well, the Rockets are like the Thunder last year.

Speaker 1 Or you could just say they're really good, but they got to go through it once.

Speaker 3 I would like to officially put some part of my take respect on the Houston Rockets.

Speaker 1 Okay. Can we do that? Respect done.

Speaker 3 They got the LeBron stopper.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Respect on the Rockets, but I just think that they're too young.
Five-year playoff drought, done. Gone.
James Harden, no longer on the team. Not walking through that door.
But

Speaker 1 new guys. Ime.
Yeah. Good coach.
Ime is a very good coach.

Speaker 3 Good coach.

Speaker 1 Still don't know what he did.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 But he's a good coach.

Speaker 3 The Clippers.

Speaker 3 The Clippers scare me as a Nuggets fair weather fan.

Speaker 1 Anytime Kawhi is healthy,

Speaker 1 you have to be scared of the Clippers because he still will.

Speaker 1 The Clippers could absolutely beat the Nuggets and then Kawhi, and then we'll get a story that Kawhi actually is hurt and he's out for the rest of the playoffs and they'll lose.

Speaker 3 And then some team will give him 200 million.

Speaker 1 By the way, speaking of the Nuggets,

Speaker 1 so Friday night, Jokic

Speaker 1 sealed a triple-double for the season. Third time ever that it's happened.
Oscar Robinson, Russell Westbrook, Nicole Jokic for averaging a triple-double in a season. Pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 He's not going to win MVP this year,

Speaker 1 partially because SGA has been incredible, but also a little voter fatigue. Does anyone want to guess what Jokic,

Speaker 1 his response to averaging a triple-double for the year was after the game?

Speaker 3 It's good.

Speaker 1 Pretty close.

Speaker 1 He said, It's nice. I think I didn't do that before.
I don't know. I don't know what to say.
It's good. There we go.

Speaker 1 It's perfect.

Speaker 1 I think I didn't do that before.

Speaker 1 He's the fucking best. Yeah, no, like, remember when Russell Westbrook?

Speaker 3 It's the first third time it's ever happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Remember when Russell Westbrook did it and was like, was crashing every free throw to get the rebounds and everything? And Joker's just like, it's good.
I don't think I've done that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's good. It's nice.

Speaker 3 Very nice.

Speaker 3 The Westbrook series from the Nuggets to the Clippers.

Speaker 3 I feel like the team that used to have Westbrook on their roster usually wins these types of series. I might just be making that up.

Speaker 3 It might be based off vibes, but I feel like getting to play against him every night is good for the team that used to have him because they're constantly being reminded, like, thank God this guy's not on our team anymore.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Even though he's kind of been a little bit of a different player for the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 Maybe he can just go revenge mode.

Speaker 3 He could go, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 It's not good.

Speaker 3 When he goes revenge mode, that's actually bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do we have any thoughts on LeBron's shirtless warming up? Isaiah Thomas was in tears.

Speaker 3 I think it's disrespectful to the game.

Speaker 1 Forever. I know.

Speaker 1 I loved how upset Isaiah Thomas was.

Speaker 3 This is in the G-League.

Speaker 1 He was so mad. He was so, so mad about it.
I don't know if you can find the clip.

Speaker 3 Yeah, LeBron, his nipples protruding. Disgusting.

Speaker 1 It was like an empty arena. And Isaiah Thomas was just, he was gonna cry.

Speaker 2 He might be going through some body image issues of his own,

Speaker 3 Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, the fact that he freaked out by seeing him.

Speaker 2 Get this jacked shirtless guy off my screen.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the fact that he gets that upset by seeing another man take his clothes off is

Speaker 3 pretty suspect. Yeah, it's suspect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did actually get to the bottom of PFT's thing with the

Speaker 1 Jim. Yeah, he was jerking off in the guy's face.

Speaker 3 I was jacking off in his face, yeah.

Speaker 1 Apparently, that's gay,

Speaker 3 and guys can't jack off.

Speaker 1 That dude until this after we stopped recording, he's like, oh, I forgot I was jerking off in his face.

Speaker 3 That dude has never played a team sport if he's getting upset about having a guy jack off in his face in the locker room.

Speaker 1 Come on, man. All right, you play it.
Play it, Max.

Speaker 3 Shirts and skins is what they're doing in everything.

Speaker 11 I just totally 100% object to this, and I was the GM of COVID.

Speaker 11 I would never let one of my players walk out on the floor looking like this.

Speaker 1 I mean, we are professional NBA league.

Speaker 11 We ain't summer league.

Speaker 11 We ain't, you know, at the YMCA.

Speaker 5 I think coaches got to go back to suits.

Speaker 1 After.

Speaker 1 I just mean. After.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Oh, he almost swore.

Speaker 1 I just think

Speaker 11 the professionalism in our NBA league has diminished so much.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 look, I like LeBron. I'm a fan of him.
That means he hates LeBron.

Speaker 11 But to walk out on the floor

Speaker 11 before a game with no shirt on and shoot,

Speaker 11 come on, man.

Speaker 11 Where we at? What we doing?

Speaker 11 Now, if you want to, Adam Silver, if you want to find somebody,

Speaker 1 find that.

Speaker 1 Find that.

Speaker 1 Smoking by the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 I love his whole thing because he...

Speaker 1 I think he's in love with LeBron because he's like to see a man out there on the court no shirt off it's also funny working out looking all strong the only the only word that comes to my mind is fine yeah fine fine that man fine fine fine his ass yeah it's also funny that isaiah thomas like if i were the gm or the coach like you were both yeah and you and you were you were fired for for bad reasons yeah really bad for good reasons i would say uh bad things but good reasons i would say which big cat which do you think is less professional?

Speaker 3 Working out shirtless

Speaker 3 or sexually harassing your entire staff?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's, nah, man, LeBron should put a shirt on. Fine.

Speaker 1 Because that's how sexual harassment starts.

Speaker 3 That's true. LeBron walking around without a shirt on.
He's sexually harassing Isaiah Thomas.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's why Isaiah Thomas had such a reaction. He was like, if I were the GM, I'd sexually harass him right now.
Yeah, so you can. And then they'd fire me.

Speaker 3 You got to stop that problem before it starts.

Speaker 3 Somebody's going to fuck him.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. What was so funny.
He was so... Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Skipalis obviously agreed with him.

Speaker 1 Loved it that Isaiah Thomas on NBA TV called out LeBron, said he should be fine for warming up shirtless. Took guts to spit that truth.

Speaker 1 Isaiah has guts, and you certainly can't dismiss Isaiah as just another old-school Jordan guy.

Speaker 1 That is true. He does hate Michael Jordan.

Speaker 3 He hates Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But...
I mean,

Speaker 1 he's definitely old school. Yeah.
Oh, but I love the part where Isaiah Thomas Thomas says, and I like LeBron because I've said the same thing.

Speaker 1 I know that as a hater when you're like, I mean, I just did it when I was like, I was happy for Rory. That's not real.
You just say that. That's a real hater.

Speaker 3 Also in Skip's mind, the only reason that you could hate LeBron is if you're just supremely in love with Michael Jordan. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's why he's like, I love this.

Speaker 1 It's as binary as it gets.

Speaker 3 What do you think about the Knicks?

Speaker 1 They're not going to go anywhere.

Speaker 3 I think they'll win win a series.

Speaker 1 They could lose to the Pistons.

Speaker 1 Knicks fans, I feel like, are down bad right now on this team. They're not very happy

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 they're still...

Speaker 1 It does feel like they're still away from the Celtics and the Cavs, right? Far away. Yeah.
We also had Sam Van Gundy. Did you see that? He called out Philly and New York.
He said, fair weather fans.

Speaker 1 He said they're passionate. Someone asked him, like, what do you think about the love affair with the Knicks and the fans and their team? He said, well, they're passionate.
Love affair. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Love affair when they're playing well and hate affair when they're not playing well. The Knicks fans and the Philly fans, they're front-running fans.

Speaker 1 They're in love with their team when things are going well, but they'll boo their team off the floor when they're not playing well. That's not a crowd that's focused on lifting you up.

Speaker 3 Bad Sports Towns.

Speaker 3 Pussy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I couldn't disagree more.

Speaker 1 Living in New York for whatever we did, six, seven years, Knicks fans love their team. They just fucking

Speaker 1 want them to be good.

Speaker 2 Knicks fans were nowhere to be found until the bing-bong team.

Speaker 1 They always sold out at MSG.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but like they weren't vocal.

Speaker 2 Once those bing bong side talk or whatever videos started coming out, I think

Speaker 1 they were very passionate.

Speaker 2 That was like two years before we left. Before that, they were nowhere to be found.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but there's also a difference between the Knicks fans that can't afford tickets to go to every Knicks game and then the average Knicks fan. I think Knicks are so expensive.

Speaker 3 I I think Knicks fans are very passionate. They really care about it.
Also, what Stan Van Gundy is describing, that's just fans.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like,

Speaker 3 what would be a good sports town then? A team that loves their shitty shirts.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 Even when they're. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 They still put on the shirt.

Speaker 3 They still put on the shirt. They're good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, but I'm saying, like, in years when they haven't been good, they've still put on the shirt.

Speaker 6 But that's all they got. I know.
That's the only thing they have in Oklahoma City. If there's other sports, like if the Sixers, who are 30 games under 500 in March.

Speaker 3 Is that true?

Speaker 6 I don't know. I hope so.

Speaker 6 Would you rather go to that game or the Phillies that are playing right next door that are going to be competing for the World Series?

Speaker 1 Sounds like a fair weather fan. At the bank.
But, like, what do you want to do? No, I agree. I agree with you.
It's a dumb. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 I also think this is partially because his brother coached there.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Also, in Philly, they boo you, but then if they realize that they've booed you and gone too far, they'll sarcastically cheer for you to try to to make you better.
Wasn't sarcastic.

Speaker 1 It was. It was.

Speaker 3 It was at first. It was at first.

Speaker 3 But then it worked.

Speaker 3 Wrong. Simulate the lottery one time, Max.

Speaker 2 Good call, good call. We should go.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Agreed. I'm excited for the NBA Plus.
We will have an expert on to break it down.

Speaker 1 There we go. You got it.

Speaker 1 Give us a best of seven. So Washington gets the first pick on one of them.
Okay.

Speaker 6 So we're going to do this a million times.

Speaker 1 No, no, best of seven.

Speaker 3 We'll see who gets the most.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Philly gets it.

Speaker 3 1-1.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 this is crazy.

Speaker 6 We've done this three times. We've only had Philly in Washington.

Speaker 1 Philly 3-1. Oh, my God.
I swear to God, I said

Speaker 1 Utah.

Speaker 1 How many times? Keep going. Keep going.
Just keep going.

Speaker 1 Washington.

Speaker 1 3-2. We'll just do it until one of you gets four.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 Philly.

Speaker 1 4-2. 4-2.
One. 4-2.

Speaker 3 What are the odds of that happening?

Speaker 6 Very low.

Speaker 3 You guys have the 10% shot at it?

Speaker 1 Yes. It's going to be such bullshit if the Sixers get goopified.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I'm going to hate the fuck out of it.

Speaker 3 You're going to see me flip instantly. That'd be such a good you guys are building Duke 2.0.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's true.

Speaker 1 Jared Kane. Yeah.
Yeah, I said it.

Speaker 3 I said it. He said it.

Speaker 1 I like it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes said you passed on Tatum.

Speaker 2 You like that, Hank.

Speaker 1 They did it.

Speaker 1 Marco Fulch. Memes, you got to get your mic on for that.

Speaker 3 Memes, that was fire.

Speaker 1 That was so fire. You got to get your mic on.
Memes hates JJ.

Speaker 1 Should we talk about Nico at Tennessee a little bit?

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 College sports,

Speaker 3 it was put into quite the turmoil on Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 Well, I had no idea. I still, I knew we were going to talk about Sunday.
I didn't, I haven't followed this.

Speaker 2 There's, I've just seen so many people say Nico this, Nico that, Nico this, Nico that.

Speaker 3 There's so much pearl clutching about what this means for the sport.

Speaker 1 But like, everybody, we should back up a little. Yeah, so what happened?

Speaker 3 Nico got a shitload of money from the collective at the University of Tennessee to go to school at Tennessee. He was the number one recruited quarterback.
They got him.

Speaker 3 They were pumped that they got him because Camp Miss Prospect. Tom Fernelli, your best friend Hank, was sitting on that couch and said, Nico for Heisman before the season started.

Speaker 1 I bet it.

Speaker 3 He did not work. It did not work because it turns out he didn't play well at all against any good schools.

Speaker 3 He beat up on the trash cans, and then he was like a very average to slightly below average quarterback in SEC play.

Speaker 3 Then his dad or his uncles, a family member, I forget which one, a family member goes back to UT and says, hey, price of the bag just went up. I know you're paying, what, two mil?

Speaker 1 It was two and a half mil, and then they wanted four.

Speaker 3 They wanted four mil. So they said price of the bag just went up to keep Nico got to pay four million now because there's other schools that would pay that.

Speaker 3 And Tennessee was like, we're not going to talk about that right now. We're still in the season.
In fact, it was the week of their playoff game that they had against Ohio State, right?

Speaker 3 That

Speaker 3 he was actively shopping himself allegedly to other teams. Then he does a holdout.

Speaker 3 So he doesn't go to practice and he's holding out from team activities.

Speaker 2 This is after the playoff game.

Speaker 1 After the playoff game game game game game.

Speaker 1 The spring game was Saturday and there were rumors that this was happening. And Tennessee fans now, I consider myself involved for life from winning national championships with Doug's in Knoxville.

Speaker 1 Tennessee fans maybe weren't doing the best this week when there were reports. I think Ari Wasserman had something.
I think someone else had some on Three Network had reports that this was happening.

Speaker 1 And Tennessee fans were attacking those reporters and being like, this is bullshit. You're just making this up.
Turns out it was all true.

Speaker 1 He skipped the practice on Friday and then didn't show to the spring game on Saturday and it's over.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so what Tennessee did was actually smart. They came out and they said, we're moving on from Nico before Nico had a chance to be like, I've entered the transfer portal.

Speaker 1 He wasn't good enough to get a million and a half raise. Like if he had been a no-doubt guy,

Speaker 1 I think Tennessee would have paid him. Probably.

Speaker 1 I think they would have been like, hey, if he was Arch Manning, if he was someone who has, like, you have to keep him on your team because you have these title chances. I don't think he proved that.

Speaker 1 And they're like, all right, go. And now.

Speaker 1 But Nico, well, their defense is really good.

Speaker 1 Nico, I think he's getting bad advice from his, so his dad is his agent, which also complicates things because when your dad is your agent, the one thing that your dad doesn't have to do, he's not representing other people.

Speaker 1 So he doesn't have to act in good faith in any of the negotiations. He could could basically say, I'm going to burn this school because guess what?

Speaker 1 I don't have any other clients that when I come back around asking for money, they can't be like, hey, you burned me that time. So his dad's his agent.
His dad was like trying to get him more money.

Speaker 1 I think it's short-sighted because Nico, if he had a really good year in Josh Teipel's offense, could be a high draft pick, make a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Instead, now he's going to have to go somewhere else to learn a whole new offense, learn new personnel in a short window.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 He's not good enough to get a raise from Tennessee up to $4 million,

Speaker 3 but there's probably another school out there that's willing to throw a bag at him.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And so let's see.

Speaker 3 So he's going to get a raise. It's going to work out financially okay for him this year.

Speaker 3 But Big Cat's right, like Tennessee is probably the best place he could be if he's thinking about where he wants to get drafted in the future.

Speaker 1 And it's also, this is why I feel like

Speaker 1 this is all eventually going to get sorted out one way or another.

Speaker 1 Because my theory has always been that, like, eventually these rich guys and NIL and the collectives are going to be sick of paying millions and millions of dollars to 18-year-olds that might not pan out.

Speaker 1 And this is kind of what happened here because Nico, they were like, no, we're not going to pay another million and a half. So the QB class of 2023, these are the top eight guys.

Speaker 1 Arch Manning, still at Texas. Nico, now in the transfer portal.
Dante Moore started UCLA, Oregon. Jackson Arnold started Oklahoma, now Auburn.

Speaker 1 Malachi Nelson, remember he was like a camp miss, USC, now he's at UTEP. Jaden Rashada started at ASU, now he's in the portal.
Aiden Chiles started at Washington State, now,

Speaker 1 sorry, Oregon State, now at Michigan State. And Austin Mack started at Washington, now at Alabama.

Speaker 1 It's hard to predict if these guys are going to be good. Yeah.
And it's hard to give $2.5 million to a guy who might be like, yeah, I'm going to go somewhere else.

Speaker 3 It's a system problem. The problem is like with basically no rules whatsoever.
So of course this type of shit is going to happen.

Speaker 3 And when you gamble on like a five-star recruit out of high school, they don't always hit. Except now, guess what? Now you're tying a bunch of money to that person.

Speaker 3 And then when they leave, now you're pissed off because it's like, oh, shit, I was told that I had to pay a million dollars to get this kid to go to my favorite school so I could watch him play.

Speaker 3 Then he sucked. And now I feel like I just wasted a million dollars.
So of course the people that are funding it are going to be like, I don't want to pay for that anymore.

Speaker 3 Let's try to get somebody in the portal that's going to come here.

Speaker 3 They also, he fucked over the team

Speaker 3 because the team had a plan. Like, they thought that Nico might be going as early as December of last year because they were starting to hear these things about Nico is unhappy.

Speaker 3 He's going to want more money.

Speaker 3 So, they were going to try to recruit other quarterbacks, but those other quarterbacks wouldn't go to school there if Nico was still the quarterback because then they're like, this guy's going to start ahead of me for a year, maybe two years.

Speaker 3 So then

Speaker 1 they couldn't get the roster in order for next season because they thought nico was coming back and then nico's like actually fuck it i'm out yeah did you hear the rumor uh shout out dan lanning ride or die guy like good good guy the rumor was that he was the one who tipped off josh hypel was like hey nico's dad's trying to get him go somewhere else yeah like and told him that and that's when how tennessee found out i just i i think it's just It's unfortunate because I do, I am very much in favor of the kids getting paid and they should get paid because they're bringing in billions of dollars and it's so stupid it took this long.

Speaker 1 But I just like this is a situation where I think he's getting bad advice and Josh Huipel's a really good offensive coach and

Speaker 1 to have this do this for a million and a half dollars when the alternative is possibly staying at Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Doing really well under Josh Huipel and, you know, your third year in the system, second year playing in the system, and then maybe getting drafted high, there's a lot more money that way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now you don't know. I mean, it could all turn out.
He could be fine. But I also think that if you're a Tennessee fan, you shouldn't worry because Josh Hypel's a really good coach.

Speaker 1 And it's also kind of good showing that you have like, you know, you're not going to, in future negotiations, you're not going to just placate everyone.

Speaker 3 Turns out one-year free agency kind of sucks as a fan.

Speaker 1 We need two-year contracts. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Listen, it's good for the players in terms of short-term. They're able to bounce around where they want if they think a different school is good for them and get paid a shitload of money.

Speaker 3 It's not always the best best thing to transfer but that option's there which is a good thing but as a fan it fucking sucks right it really it really sucks eventually i think that they should have trades if you're going to have holdouts we got to have trades now do you think we'll ever get to a point where we have a college football draft well i think because that would rock trades would be cool i think it should be uh like a soccer uh

Speaker 1 system

Speaker 1 where if you go from a smaller school to a bigger school the bigger school has to pay money to the smaller school or like loan system.

Speaker 1 I thought even smaller schools can actually start making money off of this.

Speaker 3 I thought you meant like youth academies, like University of Tennessee middle school. Yeah, no, no, but you, you recruit guys to go there when they're 11.

Speaker 1 But like college basketball specifically, like there's a lot of, a lot of the mid-majors or smaller get rated for their talent for their seniors.

Speaker 1 Why shouldn't the Power Fives pay those schools a fee to get their player? Yeah, I think that would be awesome.

Speaker 1 It just, it will never happen.

Speaker 3 A draft will never happen for college football, but it it would just be funny to think about it happening. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that's Nico. It was just crazy college football.

Speaker 1 And we're actually like, Tennessee had their spring game. We're losing spring games.
Spring games are

Speaker 1 going to be, I bet you in a couple of years, there'll be no spring games.

Speaker 3 Also, Hank, did you hear this one? Did you know his name? It's I'm Aleva.

Speaker 2 That's his last name. Nico, I'm a Leva.

Speaker 3 I'm a Leva. Yeah.
It's not Amastea. Did you hear that?

Speaker 1 That's the first time. So there was a

Speaker 2 one of yours.

Speaker 3 That's literally everyone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then someone also, a fan had

Speaker 1 on his jersey, just he put tape over and said, I'm a bitch.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. I like that.

Speaker 1 Quick word.

Speaker 3 Hank, the day that he signed with Tennessee, everybody that didn't get him made that joke immediately.

Speaker 1 Also, Tennessee has a little bit, a tiny bit to

Speaker 1 they're a tiny bit to blame, or they shouldn't be a surprise because he prioritized money from the get-go. Yeah.
So you can't be shocked when he prioritizes money again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that was the whole reason he went to Tennessee was like they offered him the most amount of money and that's how it worked and that's fine.

Speaker 1 But then when he turns around, he's like, I want more money. You can't be like, oh, I can't believe he did this.

Speaker 1 I thought he loved Knoxville. Yeah.

Speaker 2 As a journalist, it's fucked up that their fans were running out the journalists.

Speaker 1 There was a little bit. I mean, look, if you're a fan, you don't want it to be true.
I think there were a lot of people.

Speaker 3 Maybe I'm just biased because of the Tennessee fans that I know.

Speaker 1 There's more than one probably um but the writing's been on the wall that nico is probably gonna try to rake him over the coals yeah yeah it was it was definitely in the big t knew you know he knew um okay let's do who's back of the week and then we will get to svp ball's here kids are back in school vacations are over and cozy season is officially on You know what that means?

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Speaker 1 All right, who's back of the week? Hank.

Speaker 2 By who's back of the week? I got a couple. All right.

Speaker 1 Oh, is it Patty the Batty starting with that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I hear that accent. Oh, Patty the Batty.

Speaker 1 Oh, Patty the Batty.

Speaker 1 Dude, he's awesome. He's ripped.

Speaker 2 Like, and I he looked so much like he looked twice as jacked and strong as when he was first introduced to the world.

Speaker 1 And more skilled. Like, when I say he's awesome, we all knew he was awesome.
He's an awesome dude.

Speaker 1 But I feel like he's gotten way better at fighting.

Speaker 2 He said that he doesn't, like before

Speaker 2 the very funny classic video,

Speaker 2 when he would just bulk up, eat whatever the fuck you want, and then cut at the very last minute. He actually just stays in shape now and like eats healthy and trains correctly, which

Speaker 2 shocking, like it's working for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But yeah,

Speaker 2 he fucked him up.

Speaker 3 Good for him. I love watching Patty fight too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then he got into it.

Speaker 3 He got into like a little bit of a shouting match afterwards, too. Yeah, according to Covington.
Where he didn't really shout. He was just like, okay, dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. And we like Michael Chandler, too.

Speaker 3 He would beat the fuck out of Colby Covington.

Speaker 2 That part sucks. He slaps Shane.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Beer.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that until tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He also.

Speaker 2 He was the man at Per Olympics.

Speaker 1 He was the man at Per Olympics because I remember I was just standing with our friend Chris O'Connor and I just was like,

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, Chandler. Chris O'Connor says he can make you tap.
And then he just put him in our bar right away. And it was awesome.

Speaker 1 He's the the man but yeah patty um other who's back of the week is dunking oh whoa are you gonna are you gonna dunk i'm going to host a dunk contest oh that's kind of weird that you'd be hosting a contest for something that you can't do yet uh those who can't do teach it's also on judge also judge well yeah definitely judge it's it's KFC dunk a challenge.

Speaker 2 We have a dunk contest. We have four legitimate dunkers coming to the office this week on Wednesday.
It's exciting.

Speaker 2 I feel like, you know, last week was an exciting week in the office, and low-key, we got another exciting one on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 You get any tips from them?

Speaker 2 Get any tips from them? Yeah, I'm going to pass them what they think.

Speaker 3 Dr. Brains love it.

Speaker 1 Low-key, low-key.

Speaker 2 No, it's going to be high. It's going to be pretty good.

Speaker 1 High-key? It's going to be exciting.

Speaker 3 I mean, high-key, low-key.

Speaker 2 We got flyers coming in the office.

Speaker 1 Love that. Very cool.

Speaker 2 Me, Hannah Montoya, Wallow, and Gilly.

Speaker 1 Hell yes. Oh, they're coming? Yeah.
On Wednesday? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Or was the winner? Did you get them on the show? $2,500.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty cool. dollars.

Speaker 1 Okay. PFT.

Speaker 3 My Who's Back of the Week is takes.

Speaker 3 Fucking takes her back.

Speaker 1 You just got stopped in your tracks.

Speaker 3 I got dead stopped in my tracks right before we got started taping this segment.

Speaker 3 I have never even conceived of a take this hot in my brain.

Speaker 1 PFT literally, while we were sitting here, he just goes, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I go, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 And then you guys were like, what?

Speaker 1 And I go, this tape.

Speaker 6 He might have been recording that moment as well.

Speaker 1 Put it in.

Speaker 3 What? This is a great, great fucking take.

Speaker 6 I love when PFT really

Speaker 2 respects a ticket.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Kid, maybe.

Speaker 2 I can't even fathom

Speaker 2 it.

Speaker 3 The fact that it hasn't done...

Speaker 2 This could be about

Speaker 3 big numbers yet, but I mean,

Speaker 3 I don't understand that. This is a...
it's insane even coming from the guy that it's coming from greg doyle oh greg doyle from the indie star

Speaker 3 just dropped a column um the internet this is the end of the internet i don't think we can go any further than this all right here we go here's here's the post masters contender bryson de chambeau accepted 125 million dollars from the alleged backers of 9-11 quarterback nico iamaliva sought additional millions from tennessee which of these is okay with you and why?

Speaker 3 That's the post. Then you open it up and it is a column that is heaping equal amounts of judgment on both Bryson DeChambeau and Nico.
Okay. They're both the same thing.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 Can we talk about something serious without getting snagged by politics or race? Yeah, dumb question.

Speaker 3 That's always a great way to start out your article is to like ask a rhetorical question and then answer it saying that you shouldn't be doing this column.

Speaker 1 He loves to do those questions of himself.

Speaker 3 No chance of that. Not for society as a whole, anyway.
But how about you? How about me?

Speaker 3 Can the two of us discuss the greed of two very different Americans and the very different societal reaction to that greed? Can we talk about Nico and Bryson? Can we do it without losing our mind?

Speaker 3 Can we do it without losing our soul? Can we agree that one size, as it relates to our reaction to their greed, should fit both gentlemen? Both have shamelessly chased the almighty dollar.

Speaker 3 Nico decided $2 million in NIL wasn't enough to play quarterback for Tennessee one year after the state's attorney general fought for and won his right to cash in so richly. Shame on Nico.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 The state's attorney

Speaker 3 has he no respect for the effort and the days of paperwork that the state's attorney did.

Speaker 3 DeChambeau chose to take $125 million from the Saudi Arabian government, which is believed to have funded the 9-11 attack on U.S. soil.
Only one has been largely vilified.

Speaker 3 No, not the guy bought off by the Saudis.

Speaker 1 No, I think, like,

Speaker 3 I think as a society,

Speaker 3 I can say this 24 years since it happened,

Speaker 3 we've come to the conclusion that 9-11 was bad.

Speaker 1 Well, not only that, but we also,

Speaker 1 all the live guys got vilified hard for a while. Yeah.
Like, that's like, oh, we talked about it. Really hard.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 We talked about the entire

Speaker 2 solid year.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to read this column, but somehow in Greg Doyle's brain, society has decided that 9-11 wasn't that bad and that Nico is worse than 9-11. 9-11.

Speaker 1 Oh, you missed. He says, go, Bryson.

Speaker 1 Or sorry, but the voice of public opinion has been heard on both gentlemen, and overwhelmingly it sounds like this. Go, Bryson.
Go to heck, Nico.

Speaker 1 Sir. Sir.

Speaker 3 A second million dollars has been awarded to Nico for attending the University of Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Go to heck, Nico. This is also just a very dated live is bad take.
Yeah. Like, he's a year and a half behind.

Speaker 1 Being like, hey, why isn't anyone talking about this live guy?

Speaker 2 He does not mention the merger?

Speaker 3 No, he does not mention the merger.

Speaker 2 Like the fact that PGA has come completely around and to the point of merging with it?

Speaker 3 Right. That's like if American Airlines was like,

Speaker 3 MBS, let's talk turkey here. I'd like to do a frequent flyer mile.

Speaker 1 This is such a weird.

Speaker 1 I feel like this article was written just for

Speaker 1 Henry Lockwood.

Speaker 3 This article was

Speaker 1 like a live head who hates Rory.

Speaker 2 No, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. You pronounced.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Rory Strong. Oh, you've unauthored.

Speaker 1 You have una lived yourself.

Speaker 3 So my other Real Who's Back of the Week is Kidney Stones. We are the number one Kidney Stone podcast in the United States.
Big Cat has been... You've had two bouts with the Stones, right?

Speaker 1 Two bouts has been.

Speaker 2 20 stones total.

Speaker 1 I had one, and then the last time was... Four, one that I passed, three that I think are just chilling.
And that was like in the fall.

Speaker 3 And so I had my first bout right after you had your first bout yep i had a baker's dozen inside me at that point very synced up i had 13 kidney stones in my system in like 2018.

Speaker 3 the first one really hurt badly to pass uh the second and third i felt them they weren't nearly as bad um and then i just kind of forgot about them and didn't follow up with a urologist and figured it would all work its way out uh saturday I'm sitting on my couch.

Speaker 3 I'm helping Blake, who's recovering from his ACL surgery quite nicely. He's doing a great job.
He did poop in the bed because he was super relaxed after the surgery, but that's fine. He's a good boy.

Speaker 3 So I was relaxing in my living room. It was about 6 p.m.
yesterday, and I started to get this bad pain, but it's not the same as the first one that I got. This one was directly located on my nuts.

Speaker 3 In fact, one nut in particular. So I was like, why does my nut hurt so bad? And it got worse.
And then it got way worse. And then I felt like I was going to pass out and throw up.
Started sweating.

Speaker 2 I was like, you just have like permanent, like you feel like you just got hit in the nut.

Speaker 3 That's it.

Speaker 3 It feels like I got kicked in the nuts all the time but it just didn't go it just and it got and it got worse it to the point where like i was i was about to pass out from it so i was like i got to go to the hospital so i go to the hospital and then on my intake into the hospital the lady was like we need to get you fast pass to the back to do an ultrasound on you to make sure you don't have uh twisted testicles sometimes you hear about like i feel like some baseball players have had that so then they do an ultra sound on my balls which is very it's a very strange thing and they're like uh if it's a twisted testicle we might have to remove the testicle, but we might be able to save it.

Speaker 3 So now I'm like, fuck, am I going to walk out of the bathroom one ball lighter? Which I personally would be okay with because I always feel like it's like when you look at flowers,

Speaker 3 one rose looks very pretty in a vase. Two roses looks awful.
Yeah, it's awful. Three roses looks great.
But I got two nuts. I'd be okay with having one nut.
I could make that work.

Speaker 1 Also, it would have been hard.

Speaker 2 Yellow wristbands for everyone in the office.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would have been hilarious for the show. Like, just like, you know, I'm the guy with one ball.

Speaker 2 Have some balls, and you could be be like, I will, too soon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or like Dan Campbell goes for it on fourth down, and PFD has to do the south park, but it's only one ball.

Speaker 3 Oh, memes would get so much mileage out of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, um, so then I'm in the hospital thinking, I might be walking out here a ball lighter, and uh, they do the ultrasound, they tell me good news. It it's not the twisted testicle.

Speaker 3 By the way, I don't recommend anybody get an ultrasound done on their on their nuts because it's very awkward, especially when the technician's a female.

Speaker 3 They rub that thing, yeah, they do the like warm gel, and they had me get in this weird position. Then it was a whole thing, anyway.

Speaker 3 So then I go back in the room, and I don't know what's going on, but my nuts keep hurting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.

Speaker 3 And eventually, I get a CAT scan done after like four hours in the hospital, feeling awful. And it's another kidney stone, which is at that point, I was pumped.

Speaker 3 I was fucking pumped it was a kidney stone, and I wasn't going to have to get a nut removed. So, um, yeah, I've been in pretty much, I was in excruciating pain from like 5 p.m.
till 3 a.m.

Speaker 3 on Saturday. That's the worst.
Now I'm good until like an hour ago, and it's coming back, and it's bad.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, hopefully I piss this thing out tonight. I've been trying to piss while we podcast today, and nothing's coming out.

Speaker 1 It's brutal. And when you say, because I had the same thing going to the hospital, when they tell you that it's a kidney stone, It sounds stupid to be like, thank God.

Speaker 1 But a kidney zone symptoms are basically you're about to die. Yeah.
like your, your, your internal organs are about to explode.

Speaker 1 So, when they're like, oh no, you're just a fat piece of shit that probably eats like shit, and you have a bunch of salt that formed in your kidney, you'll piss it out in a few days.

Speaker 1 You're like, thank you, thank you, Lord. That's all I wanted to hear.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 At the time, I was like, I'll change anything. I'll do anything.
God, just get me out of the hospital. And then they're like, it's a kidney stone.

Speaker 3 You just maybe need to have like one less bowl of ramen per week. And I'm like, no deal.
Yeah. No deal.
So, yeah, we're, I mean, we've been through this before.

Speaker 3 I'll be able to piss this thing out. I got multiple kidney stones, they said, but I'm okay.
I'm fine with it. It could have been a lot worse.

Speaker 1 So, this technically means I'm back on the clock. You're back on the clock.
Because we have literally gone, I had a kidney stone, you had a kidney stone, I had a kidney stone, you had a kidney stone.

Speaker 1 So, I'm back. It's my turn.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they said, they said multiple whiteboard

Speaker 2 studio. Yeah.
Well, do you think it has any zero days since the last stone has passed?

Speaker 1 Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that before every podcast we dock? No, probably not. All right.

Speaker 3 Because if anything, well, yeah, that's maybe how it gets passed back and forth. We just piss it up each other's dicks all the time.

Speaker 1 But yeah, so

Speaker 3 it's okay. It's a lot of pain, but it's not nearly as much pain as I was in on Saturday.
But didn't miss it.

Speaker 2 Your household is snakebitten. You guys are like a playoff team.
Just one week after, one week after another, just marquee players getting injured, and all of a sudden the season's just over.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, good news is we're getting an impact player back. The El Camino is up and running.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 So now we're living high.

Speaker 3 But yeah, so it was not a fun experience on Saturday. I will not be changing anything likely about my diet.

Speaker 1 That's good. Yeah.
I mean, look, I am who I am at this stage.

Speaker 3 What am I going to do? Stop eating salt? Salt is the best thing that you can eat.

Speaker 1 You can't.

Speaker 3 You can't do it. So, Hank, you're actually on the clock.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Thought about that? No.

Speaker 2 I'm before Hank.

Speaker 1 Who are you?

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's probably true.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, I went to, after my kids, I went to get a physical because I I was like, oh, I should probably get this checked out. Healthy as healthy as could be.
I love that.

Speaker 1 I mean, a little overweight, but everything else, my wife was actually mad at me that my cholesterol was normal. She's like, this is not right.
Like, you eat like

Speaker 1 run the test again.

Speaker 1 This is bullshit. Like,

Speaker 1 you can't be healthy when, like, everyone else has to, like, do all these things to make sure they stay out.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 3 It is a new. It's a funny thing when the doctor comes back in and they read your labs for you.

Speaker 3 And they're like, yeah, it turns out your blood work is all excellent yeah but you're just you eat like a motherfucker and you've got gravel forming inside of your body so it's just like yeah you could lose probably 15 20 25 pounds but everything else good is there a main cause for kidney stones is it salt there's a couple things it could be dehydration it could be dehydration it could be somewhat hereditary uh there's one that i think probably is my fault uh

Speaker 1 coffee yeah

Speaker 1 that could be it's anything that's like that that is uh what is it uh diuretic no yeah diuretic Well, the nurse told me, like, multiple caffeine drinks a day will do it.

Speaker 3 I was like, well, yeah, I do that. That's every day.
And she was like, yeah, me too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a different type of pain. Big cat, you were very well experienced in it.

Speaker 3 It's the type of pain that people say I wouldn't wish on my biggest enemy. I disagree wholeheartedly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is the exact thing that you should be wishing on your worst enemy.

Speaker 1 All my enemies, I want to have this. Exactly.

Speaker 3 I want them. Yeah.
Hank, yes.

Speaker 1 It feels like

Speaker 1 your stomach and back are going to to explode at the same time.

Speaker 3 Also, the doctor, again, for the second time, told me that this pain is worse than childbirth, which I will not be saying to any women,

Speaker 3 but it is true. Yeah.
And so I've given birth to like 13 kids.

Speaker 3 I'm as tough as Philip Rivers' wife.

Speaker 2 Kind of good lead into my question. Probably a dumb question.
Can women get kidney stones? Yes, we can.

Speaker 3 And they can be, that's just as painful.

Speaker 1 But it's gross when they do it.

Speaker 3 It's manly when we do it. Yeah.
When I stand at the toilet and scream,

Speaker 3 that's the difference. Man-type shit, alpha shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's more common for men. Yeah, because we just go harder in life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We just fucking live on the edges.

Speaker 3 See, I can't wait for the second time taking a piss. I hear the ping in the back of the toilet.
It's going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 1 You need to get the thing.

Speaker 3 I got to get the strainer. They didn't give me the strainer.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you feel like a gold rush guy. I would just piss into the strainer.

Speaker 3 I did gain a whole new appreciation, though, for ER staff. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because I had to sit out in the main lobby for not even that long because they rushed me back to do the ultrasound, but I was there for like five or six minutes. And

Speaker 3 the people that are in an emergency room at like 8 p.m., 9 p.m. on a Saturday night, God bless those that have to corral them and get them to communicate.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a hell of a job.

Speaker 1 All right. My who's back the week.
I have two.

Speaker 1 The first is going to be... Oh,

Speaker 1 guys lying about their weight. Or maybe not.
You see DT, President Trump.

Speaker 1 He's actually lost weight. He's 224.

Speaker 3 224.

Speaker 1 6'3, 224.

Speaker 3 So that is...

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 3 That's RG3.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Maybe DK Metcalf.

Speaker 1 I love it. And I know people like getting a whole tizzy about it.
They're like, this is bullshit. Listen, if your doctor says it, then it's the truth.

Speaker 1 Just like my blood works fine. What do I fucking care?

Speaker 3 I think that he does that now. Like, at first, I think he was lying about it.
Now he lies about it because he knows that people are going to make fun of him for lying about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he was 230 and now he's 224. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Elon, there was like an article about Elon and how he's like a dumpster fire and people were accusing him of drugs.

Speaker 2 And someone from SpaceX was like, no, he actually gets randomly drug tested at SpaceX. Passes everyone.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 3 Who runs SpaceX?

Speaker 1 Elon. Oh, okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 His drug test is like, yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All of them.
Good.

Speaker 3 That dude loves ketamine.

Speaker 1 And then my other who's back is our good friend and colleague, Coach John Gruden, because I took him up to Madison this weekend. And

Speaker 1 I got to say, it was, I was smiling ear to ear, not only because I got to see, you know, one of my favorite teams up close. We went to spring practice, but seeing.

Speaker 1 Coach Gruden in his natural habitat,

Speaker 1 Wisconsin posted his speech to the team, which was awesome. But there were so many behind-the-scenes, hilarious moments where

Speaker 1 I had to keep getting him to

Speaker 1 go somewhere, and I had to keep coming back and grabbing him because

Speaker 1 he would talk to the tight ends coach, and he's like, What are you running? Like, what, what formations?

Speaker 1 What's your language? Like, and just sit there and talk to him.

Speaker 1 It was there, there's something that happens when you, uh, when you like go to like the park or you go somewhere with your little kids, and if you take your eye off them for a minute, they could be like on the other side of the park.

Speaker 1 You're like, Holy shit, how'd they get over there? They saw a bird or they saw a squirrel. That kept on happening at practice.

Speaker 1 Where I would basically, I was standing on the sideline, and I'd look up and I'd be like, Where's Coach Gruden?

Speaker 1 And he would just be standing next to Coach Fickle, like with a call sheet, ready to call a play. And it was just the best.
He had the power stance.

Speaker 3 That's like vacation for him. Yeah, just going to visit a practice and just talking about ball.

Speaker 1 The best was we went up to a kid who was visiting, and he was, I don't know, like, I think he was a sophomore, and he was visiting Wisconsin and he was a running back and just Coach Gruden just went up to him.

Speaker 1 He's like, how deep you line up? He's like, I'm the quarterback. Show me how deep you line up.
And that was it. That was our whole conversation.
It's like, all right, good to meet you.

Speaker 1 He just wanted to know. He just wanted to know how deep they're lining up in high school football.

Speaker 3 He looks so happy just being around a football team. Yeah.
And somehow, and I felt a little bit hurt. I did because.

Speaker 3 We've lined up in formation for him here at work. Yeah.
And he doesn't have that same spunk in his step when he sees us do it as he does an actual collegiate Division I football team.

Speaker 1 It it was a little bit hurtful. Yeah, but he was smiling.
He was so happy. He was so happy.
We were just like, he was smiling the whole time. It's great to see him in it.

Speaker 1 I wanna I don't wanna lose him, but I also

Speaker 1 when you see someone

Speaker 1 you when you see someone that happy in that habitat, you're just like, ah.

Speaker 3 It's like if you get a dog, like a border collie, and you live in an apartment.

Speaker 1 And your dog loves you, you have a great time with the dog, and then you take the dog out to like an open-air dog park with some, maybe some wildlife running around and you just see it immediately start to like hurt him and you're like that's where you should be doing that yeah well it's like he's a he's a lead he he needs to be leading men yeah like it's hard it's hard to be a leader of of big strong alpha men and he is like in every room he's in he is the alpha yeah and that's like hard to come by and that's where you know where he belongs yeah and it's also just funny watching like football guys the amount of connections they have is just insane like he was just a there was a guy he had coached who was you know know who he saw there's a guy whose son uh he coached the kid's dad like all this stuff and it's just like football guys just have just connections everywhere i love the speech that he gave too i feel like he just he listened to me mill like a month ago and he just wrote down i'm going to talk about dreams well that's his speech his speech from the raiders uh hard knocks he like kind of put all his speeches together just being like the rock you know we pound that rock you pound that rock it's not gonna break you pound that rock it's not gonna break all of us pound that rock, that thing's going to smash.

Speaker 3 And everybody in the room was like, he's right. Yes.
Coach is right. 10% from you.

Speaker 1 4% from you. 2% from you.

Speaker 5 Okay, number one, everybody has dreams. I mean, everybody's got dreams of winning the Big Ten, getting in the playoffs, getting a new NIL deal.
Everybody has what?

Speaker 1 Dreams.

Speaker 5 I'm into nightmares. You guys got to end people's dreams.
You understand that? Miami, Ohio's coming in here in a couple months. You end their dreams.

Speaker 5 Okay? And then you get on with the schedule. But everybody's got dreams.
Now it's your job to end those dreams and become a nightmare coming out of the tunnel. Yes?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Number two is there's a thing called the team. It's called the what?

Speaker 5 The team. There's a lot of people, I think, in football now that aren't invested in the team.
Are we clear on that? I want you to envision a big rock right here. The rock is the opponent.

Speaker 5 And if you pound that rock by yourself, that rock won't crack. If you pound a rock with them, that rock won't crack.

Speaker 1 And that rock is Michigan.

Speaker 5 That rock is Alabama.

Speaker 1 We all got a pound of what?

Speaker 1 We all got a pound of what?

Speaker 5 Okay, invest in this team. And these next couple weeks before spring practice goes away, invest in your teammates, man.
Go out of your way to get to know each other. And have a rock mentality.

Speaker 5 Point number three, real quick, is communication. Say it with me.

Speaker 5 It ain't good enough. It's not good enough anywhere.
Coaches were not communicating good enough together. Players and coaches don't communicate good enough together.
Yes?

Speaker 5 Every bloom coverage, every big running play, there's a lack of what on defense?

Speaker 5 Recognize the set, make the call, and let's roll. Yeah?

Speaker 5 Let's communicate better. And then the last thing I'll leave you with is this.
What I've noticed is there's really good effort here. Really good.
But there's a big difference between good and great.

Speaker 5 Are we clear on that? You get one shot at 2025. That's it.
And as soon as you blink your eyes and open them, it's over. We got to do a better job, I think, of working together.

Speaker 1 Yes?

Speaker 5 I'm talking about our effort, our execution, our enthusiasm, and our intensity. You turn it up 4%,

Speaker 1 2%,

Speaker 5 8%,

Speaker 5 10%,

Speaker 5 and that accumulation is going to turn us into a freaking nightmare. You guys dig it?

Speaker 5 You guys believe in each other or not?

Speaker 5 Go prove it. All right.
Let's go, man. Have a great day.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Oh, so pumped up. But yeah, it was great.
All right. Let's get to our interview with Scott Van Pelt live from Augusta Airport.

Speaker 1 Always fun to catch up with him, talk some more masters, talk some more Rory.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our best friends, a very, very special guest live from Augusta, tradition unlike any other, Scott Van Pelt from the Augusta Airport after the Masters.

Speaker 1 We've been doing this for, I don't know, six, seven years.

Speaker 1 Outside of the Tiger, this has got to be Tiger in 2019. This has got to be the best.
I mean, this was an incredible, incredible Sunday. I don't even know where to start other than

Speaker 1 we all just sat there and watched it and was like, sports are the best. This is the best.

Speaker 14 Perfectly said. Did you feel like you were going to vomit? I did.

Speaker 1 Well, about that. You are technically talking to a room full of Rory haters.
So

Speaker 1 we were very happy when this was all going down. Now, as haters, we already taped the beginning of the show.
Basically, what I said was

Speaker 1 sometimes as a hater, you got to tip your hat. And I was happy that he had to earn it in a way where he choked and then came back and then he choked and then he came back where it's like, he did it.

Speaker 1 He really did it. And I was satisfied at the end of being like, if he's going to do it one way, I'd rather this than having him win by six strokes and have it be a laugher.

Speaker 14 Well,

Speaker 14 look, you said it correctly. I mean, it was, it was the roller coaster as he described it.

Speaker 14 And the thing that was nuts, and you try to make con put it in context, like for Sports Center, our highlight, like our first pass at the highlight was 11 and a half minutes long.

Speaker 14 And that's to tell the story, like, I think accurately and thoroughly, right? Where it's the DeShambo, Rory bit. And like, by the time it's over, like, you forget that even happened.
Right.

Speaker 14 DeShambo's just kind kind of out there. And it started with like he throws up on himself in the first hole, and he's behind after the second hole.
And you're like, this is nuts.

Speaker 14 He's going to lose to this guy again. He's going to have to walk with him for five hours.
This is going to be brutal. But then immediately he's back ahead.
And you're like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 14 But it just, it almost felt like with Rory for him to do it,

Speaker 14 that it was going to have to be this excruciating exercise where he would hit like the shot on 15, which is like the Sam Cassell cassell meme right i mean big brave bowls and he swoops it around and but then you've got to make that put for eagle like tiger makes that put for eagle 100 times out of 100.

Speaker 14 yeah he doesn't he just doesn't and then you're like wait rose is oh rose has a birdie oh my god they're tied again and now he hits the shot on 17 which is incredible no one ever hits it close on 17 when they have to make birdie to take the lead he does then he hits a perfect drive and then that that wedge on 18 is just,

Speaker 14 you can't do that. And he does.
And then there's that putt. And you just, I didn't think he'd make it and he didn't.
And at that point, I'm thinking, this poor guy is going to have to live with this.

Speaker 14 And he's going to become Greg Norman. And someday he's going to be 50-something years old and he won't be here.
And we're going to wonder how that happened. Right.

Speaker 14 But then, but then he hits the wedge in the playoff that's a forever shot. Like it's a shot of a lifetime.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Multiple. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He had, you just described two of his shots of a lifetime today. Yeah.
He had, like, it was an incredible, incredible comeback for him.

Speaker 3 Uh, after it was over, you get to see a little behind the scenes, Scott. You get to see what's going on when they're not on camera.
What was Rory's, what was his mentality like?

Speaker 3 Did you see anything from him that showed relief? Or what were his emotions?

Speaker 14 A hundred.

Speaker 14 I think what he was feeling, Patrick, was relief.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 3 If Dickie V calls me Patrick, my name's Patrick. That's just a matter of time.

Speaker 14 I've been waiting for weeks to say that.

Speaker 14 He said it. It was almost all relief.

Speaker 14 And the thing that Andy North described to me that I find amazing, but I guess I get it, is that when you do it, and Andy didn't win the Grand Slam, obviously, but he won a couple of majors.

Speaker 14 And he's like, you feel so much more relief than joy.

Speaker 14 And like when you saw him fall to his knees and you saw him walking and just it looked like he was like, I've seen that look before, but it was PFT, it was you handing me mushrooms in the wind.

Speaker 1 He's just like, he's fucking like,

Speaker 14 and you're thinking, man,

Speaker 14 I just can't imagine what he's trying to process in real time.

Speaker 14 And he admitted that this was a burden. This was a lot.
He was carrying this around for more than for 14 years. And everyone's asking, what are you going to do?

Speaker 14 And every year he's got to come put on a brave face and say, well, I feel like I'm ready. And then, you know, it looks like it's his time.

Speaker 14 And then all of a sudden, it's not, and then it is, and then it's not.

Speaker 14 And so, you know, I'm waiting to see if I can, if I hear from Marty Smith, who's going to do the Sunday conversation with him tonight, to get any insight, like, you know, is there any sort of home run sound bite that he'll give Marty?

Speaker 14 Because they have got a great relationship. But I just, I thought that it was so obvious that, sure, there's joy in there and they're going to get to it.

Speaker 14 But clearly, it was like, just thank God I did it. Because if he didn't today,

Speaker 14 then, then then then it would have reasonably been like it's just it's just not meant to be yeah it really was even as as haters like we said it was still one of those moments when he finally sinks the putt to win it it's like man this is cool because you don't know i mean what's the stat i think it's two times in the last 50 years we've had a career grand slam you don't know how many times it's going to happen in your lifetime and like to put it like in your from your perspective of of golf efficiency and auto you've been to the master so many times like career grand slam like that's that's something really really special oh i mean i said it on a sports center like you you're in a group with people that are in black and white pictures that are gone from this earth not forgotten obviously because the club is small and it was really like one of the really cool things about this week is the the people you cross paths with and i actually got to spend some time uh saturday night with roger federer who is just couldn't be he's couldn't be a greater guy and i i asked him him and i said this is really wild to me like when you won in 2009

Speaker 14 to beat um to to won the french open to win the grand slam it was the sixth guy just like rory and the doll had been beaten that like that's the guy no one could beat and he got beaten by some guy named robin soderling all due respect to robin i could be in awl i don't know i just don't know i don't know a lot about him but like That's the time where you have to do this or it's not going to happen.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 Fed said, Yeah, man, I call him Fed. We're like, you know, like that.
Yeah, uh, he's like, Yeah, he's like, But you just have to remind yourself that this is what you do.

Speaker 14 This is, I've done this, and just trust. I was like, Yeah, but how do you sleep that night? He's like, No, well, you know, it's a lot.
And Rory admitted he was nervous as hell this morning.

Speaker 14 Um, and so to join this club, you're not just like when CBS put the graphic up, I'm like, Oh, God, right.

Speaker 14 It doesn't say to win the masters, it says to win the career grand slam.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 he knows that. And that's why I think that's why he didn't hit the hole the first time because the weight of that is just so immense.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was wondering how he was going to handle that, you know, being tied, like playing in the final group going into Sunday.

Speaker 3 When you go home on Saturday, if you're Rory and you've got this history of blowing leads, what do you do? Because there's no chance that you're going to get a good night's sleep at that point, right?

Speaker 3 Like you almost have to knock yourself out, be like,

Speaker 3 give me a sleeping pill at 7 p.m.

Speaker 3 Because because otherwise i'm going to be i'm going to be staying up i'm not going to sleep at all i'm going to come into the course feeling like shit the next morning i can't imagine the night's sleep that he had and then the start that he had today and then to bounce back from that i wonder what happened between holes one and two like how he how he managed to to stop the slide at that moment did did you hear anything about that no i mean he just the the thing and and he didn't say this but but andy did uh andy said i think actually he did say he said he said it almost was like a jolt that woke me up And all of a sudden, the weird thing about golf, I think we might have talked about this through the years, is that for whatever reason, leading is just not what anyone wants to do.

Speaker 14 It's almost like NASCAR. You'd rather draft off whoever until the last turn and then take the lead when it's over because it's a lot to carry the lead.
And the thing about

Speaker 14 the sleep that I get, I'm sure it wasn't easy. But the bigger issue is that it's such a long wait.
You don't go off until 2.30 in the afternoon. It's like, what do you do all day?

Speaker 14 got a little, you got a young daughter. She's up early, I'm sure.
Like you're, you get up, do what, hang out, like, wait.

Speaker 14 You could have, you could have breakfast, take a nap, work out, have lunch, and you still have two hours till you play.

Speaker 14 And all you can do is think about the end and what happens at the end and how do you get to that? And it takes all day to get there. And all you're doing is thinking.

Speaker 14 And so him being falling behind after the second hole, you immediately saw what happens. He birdies three, DeShambo bogeys.
He birdies four, DeShambo bogeys. And then you're like, okay, cool.

Speaker 14 He's got a little bit of a gap here. And then he birdies nine and ten, and you're like, we're off to the races.
No, it was just never going to be easy. So,

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 but I don't know, the days here tend to always be memorable, but like the back and forth and the playoff and the fact that it's Rose.

Speaker 14 I mean, the whole thing is just an incredible, incredible day of drama here. And I don't know.
I'm still trying to make sense of it all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I said at the start of the show, it was the most schizophrenic 18 holes for Rory, where he had, I think his final tally was six birdies, three bogeys, and two double bogeys.

Speaker 14 Yeah, the card was a disaster. There's just squares, circles.

Speaker 14 Everything doesn't look like, it does not look like a winning scorecard.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Right. And so in 18, you said, you just said that you kind of expected him to miss that first putt on 18 to go to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 So you thought in the moment, like, this is, he's still got one more mountain to climb where it's like, he's still got one more, I want to say choke, but like, it did feel like that, where it'd be one step forward and two steps back.

Speaker 14 I did. Because it felt like it was that distance.
And like the shadows show you every little bump

Speaker 14 and imperfection in these greens, which are basically perfect. And I'm sure that it must have looked a mile long.

Speaker 14 And the reason I thought that is because, not because I didn't think he was capable, it's just the weight of what it was. And he admitted it.
And then you saw it with how he reacted after the fact.

Speaker 14 I mean, it was just this boulder on his back. Yeah.
And so, and that putt, like, as we're looking at it.

Speaker 14 And again, it's fun to watch with Andy because he's like, this is actually, it's an easier bunker shot because it's on an upslope.

Speaker 14 And he's like, this is, you get this up and down seven or eight out of 10 times for sure. Like, he should be close.

Speaker 14 And then as it's, as it it runs out of steam, we both look at each other and are like, oh, this is in that range where,

Speaker 14 I mean, a normal human would poop their pants.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 But like full-on poop pants. Yeah.
But I, you know, he didn't, he didn't poop his pants, but he didn't hit the hole much either. And you're like, oh, my God.

Speaker 14 But to his credit, you know, he says Caddy just said to him going back to the T,

Speaker 14 you'd have taken this on Monday. If I told you Monday, we'd be going back to the playoff on Sunday.
And by the way, that's that's somebody that you want. And that's foxhole guy right there.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
His caddy's known him forever since he was seven years old. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Big time foxhole guy there to be like, hey, we'd have taken the, as opposed to,

Speaker 14 hey, Bozo, we should be putting a jacket on right now. And you should be, you should be in the butler cabin with Jim and Scotty and Chairman Ridley.

Speaker 14 Instead of that, like you give him an out-a-boy and say, look, we're good. And then he was.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 So, I mean, in the end, I suppose in some ways it just makes it more dramatic. Maybe it makes it more fulfilling, cathartic.
I don't know. But like, you're, he was an all-time player forever.

Speaker 14 But again, you join pictures. It's, it's guys that aren't alive anymore in black and white pictures,

Speaker 14 Jack Tiger and me. Like, that's the club.
Right.

Speaker 1 It's pretty insane. And what about what about the shot on 15? I mean, can you put it in perspective? Because Nance did say on the call, he said shot of a lifetime.

Speaker 1 It did feel like that was another one of those moments moments where he goes in the water and then he has that shot and you're like he's just battling this and that was an incredible incredible shot but like you you say you're you know you're watching a lot of it with andy north badger no big deal uh what what put that shot into perspective and how hard that shot is hold on let me get let me do this let me get it is that it yeah there we go oh actually keep the keep the keep the phone like that that's perfect because it won't it won't change around yeah so there you go w for wisconstance um

Speaker 14 it's it's yeah it's a shot of a lifetime but again if it for it to be like the shot we talk about forever you got to make the eagle and then you don't go to a playoff and then that's the that's the shot we put uh on video and roll forever instead it'll be him on his knees just sobbing but um

Speaker 14 the

Speaker 14 like I thought he hit it too far left, but all that did, and again, Andy just gives such great context. He said, when you're hitting a hook, it actually is, it puts you in a position to,

Speaker 14 as he described, you're going to release the club because you're, I can't technically describe it, but he just said that it's, it benefited him to be hitting a hook.

Speaker 14 And as soon as he hit it, he's walking after it like he did yesterday. Right.

Speaker 14 And when Rory starts bouncing and the shoulders start bouncing down the fairway, that's when you know, like, oh, shit, here we go.

Speaker 14 And I mean, when he stuffs it in there like that, like make the putt and you, and it's curtains, it wasn't. But then the shot on 17 was just as good.
Yeah. But then on 18.

Speaker 14 This is the roller coaster and the, you know, it's sort of what he does. And as bad as the wedge on 18 was in regulation, the wedge in the playoff was, you know, up right up on the

Speaker 14 little slope there, pulls it back. And, you know,

Speaker 14 if Rose makes the putt, do you think he makes the second one?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't think so.
Although that was more of a, it was more of a give me.

Speaker 3 I agree with you that the initial shot that he had on 18, that is the worst distance to have to putt for a major championship from because it's enough to make you think about, I would rather putt from like two feet behind that, because then you have that little like you know a little aggressiveness in your mind like I can make this I can prove the haters wrong when you're when you're putting from like four feet you're thinking oh fuck the haters might be right yeah the entire time and it was and it's kind of it's kind of pt the distance that

Speaker 3 they can't even deliver the line without laughing like that's how you know you're a dumbass when you laugh at your own stupid no it's good it's good before we started taping he called me pdf which i'm very glad that he was that was was going to be my last one, but I'm punting on the bit.

Speaker 1 I'm punting on the bit.

Speaker 14 You're 100% right because it was like the distance at Pinehurst. And it's different because the last one on Pinehurst was downhill and it breaks left to right for a right-hander.

Speaker 14 That's the worst putt because you just,

Speaker 14 it was, but it was in that distance where it was uncomfortable. Yeah.
And like the Rose putt is the perfect length because you got to hit it.

Speaker 14 And the birdie putt he made, I'm talking in regulation, like you got to hit it. And he let it go.
And by the way, he knew it was in. He had his hat off early and looked

Speaker 14 a confident look from Rose. And he's an awesome guy who at 44 lost in a playoff twice here.

Speaker 14 And if he would have won, it would have been an incredible story. But there wasn't one human rooting for him because everyone here just wanted to see Rory, except the haters.

Speaker 14 Did you have a Rose Future?

Speaker 8 No, we didn't.

Speaker 1 We just, we, listen, we liked the storylines and Rory choking in that way would have been hilarious. Yeah, I was hit.

Speaker 1 I was, okay. We tipped our cap.
Like, all credit to him. I think the moment is incredible.
He's an all-time golfer. I was like a little emotional watching him be emotional.

Speaker 1 But if you asked me during it, like we predicted on Friday, we said we had Ryan Whitney on. He's like, if there's a five-footer on 18, if he misses, he goes to a playoff.

Speaker 1 If he hits it, he's a master's champion. What are you rooting for? I was like, absolutely playoff.
100%.

Speaker 3 That said, I was rooting for him after he got into the playoff to win. But I'm not going to lie, I was pumped when he missed that putt because it's like, number one, free golf.

Speaker 3 Number two, um, our dumb brains can continue on with the storyline of Rory can't win a big one at Augusta.

Speaker 3 I mean, you were there. What was the vibe like?

Speaker 3 Because I, when I was watching on TV, I got the sense as Rory was falling back and Rose was coming on, I got the sense that the patrons were a little bit excited to see maybe an epic collapse from Rory and maybe, or at least have it be interesting at the end.

Speaker 14 I hear what you, I think everyone's just like, oh we get to stay and we get to watch more and i think there there's something to it'll be cool to see a playoff because it's that you just take what's the drama of the day and you add another layer we didn't know we were going to get so that i'll give you but like every time and cbs did an awesome job showing it every time they would post on the leaderboard the score and you saw rory like double 13 and everyone's like oh you saw like hands surrender cobra hands on head like oh no and then when they post the birdie on 17, everyone goes nuts because they know he's coming to this hole and we get to welcome him home and it's going to be great.

Speaker 14 And then he puts it in the bunker and then they're like, you got to be kidding me, right? I mean, so the

Speaker 14 back and forth was like the drama builds, but I, if you like, there was a lot of Rory, Rory, Rory chance and they were wanting to see it. And then in the end, they did.

Speaker 14 And again, I think it's not just somebody wins the Masters every year. Like, no one's won the Grand Slam since Tiger, and that's been a long time.

Speaker 14 All stacked on top of another, and who it was, and because he had been through all these things, this is the guy that

Speaker 14 more people than not on the grounds were absolutely behind.

Speaker 1 And it was his day, and it is a great story. Do you think that Rory,

Speaker 1 this is like a Steve Young monkey off his back, where I know he obviously has been phenomenal recently in great form, but it had been 11 years.

Speaker 1 Do you think he's going to get hot here, and you're going to see, you know, another Masters, another Major where he just like, this is kind of breaking the valve or breaking the seal, so to speak?

Speaker 14 100%.

Speaker 14 And I mean, I'm sure that he would say, well, I mean, I won at Pebble and I won the Players this year already.

Speaker 14 I won the players before, but the counter to that is, cool, you've got more money than you need anyway. And those tournaments, ultimately, in the grand scheme, don't matter.

Speaker 14 And we count majors among the very best.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 so,

Speaker 14 while the wins before were great

Speaker 14 this is this is the damn burst that now frees him up to be truly like

Speaker 14 it i'm gonna go do like i mean think about it in a way where now no one can say anything to you and someone says hey roy

Speaker 14 shut your shut your mouth yeah you're coming off stupid like i just won the masters and i'm good i'm house not house money no he's got a ton of runway in front of him he could stack three or four more of these.

Speaker 14 Quail hollow, he's won four times, which is where they go next. So I think we tend to have this

Speaker 14 recency bias where whoever wins, we say they might win a few more. But in Rory's case, unburdened from this,

Speaker 14 he could just let it rip forever. And if he's got nothing.

Speaker 14 What's the Joker line in the dark night? You have nothing to threaten me with. Right.

Speaker 1 And the way he did it too, the way he did it, like I really do think it would be different if he had run if he had run away from this.

Speaker 1 When that moment happens on 10, I believe, and he's four strokes ahead of Justin Rose, and you're like, all right, this is it. This is a coronation.

Speaker 1 But to have the ups and downs and the chokes and the comebacks, like, he really did do it in a way that it feels like he just freed himself from everything.

Speaker 14 I do think there's something to that. It'd be like if someone had a lead in a Super Bowl and then they blew it, but then they won it in overtime.
It'd be like, it's almost like you won it twice.

Speaker 14 You know what I mean? Right. And then with Rory, it almost feels like you won it three three times.
I know.

Speaker 14 It's just like he had it, then he blew it, then he takes the lead on 15, then he makes it on 17. It's almost like four times, whatever it is.
All he needed was one. He did it.
And

Speaker 14 I don't know. I'm just, I'm happy for him.
Like, I get that haters.

Speaker 1 No, we're happy for him. Listen, we explained it, but like, you have to, when you're watching golf, like, I don't, you have guys you root for, you guys you don't.
And that's okay. Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 1 How about Max? How about how about Max? Max is

Speaker 1 only our good friend Max.

Speaker 1 Who's taking credit for this? Because this is the start of the championship DVD.

Speaker 1 We had him on first this week, then you obviously did Wednesday with him.

Speaker 14 So who gets credit?

Speaker 14 He said I was one of his favorites, but then I said, who do you like more? And he's like, big cat and PFP.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, that's good. So, yeah, so we're so Max, yeah, incredible week for Max, incredible week for, hey, by the way, we talk about this.
Have you ever talked to the marker?

Speaker 14 Yeah, he's the McDermott? Yeah, he's a friend of mine.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he can't talk to the media, though, but like, is that not the coolest job ever?

Speaker 14 He's a fantastic guy. He's very, very understated.
And I know that he enjoyed himself.

Speaker 14 And it was a cool weekend for him. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 Wait, so he is talking to the media.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 14 Not, I did, there was no interview.

Speaker 1 I just know him.

Speaker 6 So he talked to you.

Speaker 3 Sounds like there might be an opening for the marker, Hank. Hank slowly.
We're trying to get Hank that game. He's dying it.
No, but it does seem like a very cool job.

Speaker 3 Has he ever mentioned anything about how he shouldn't play too good because he doesn't want to

Speaker 3 undermine anybody's confidence out there?

Speaker 14 It's actually kind of a fascinating concept. Like the story goes back, ironically enough, about the guy, Jeff Knox, that was the marker

Speaker 14 before the current guy that does it.

Speaker 14 I believe that

Speaker 14 Google fact checked me on this because I believe that he played with Rory one year. Yes.
And the story went that they were like, all right, let's play it and see how it goes. And he beat Rory.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 And, and, but the, the marker's there to just be like, look,

Speaker 14 I'm here to keep pace. If you want me to put out, I will.
If you don't, I won't. Like, whatever.
I'm just here so that you, and it's actually Augusta Nashville thinks of everything.

Speaker 14 And they don't want the player to be in a gigantic rush or feel compelled to have to hurry. Take your time.
And so that's the job of the marker, who obviously is also a really good player.

Speaker 14 But again, the story goes that Knox and Rory played, and I think he beat him. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And so, you know, worked out okay for Rory because

Speaker 14 I don't think the marker never won the Masters, and today Rory did. But yeah, I know he's an awesome dude.
Awesome, awesome guy.

Speaker 1 He's a good vibes guy because we noted that Tom Kim and Brian Campbell had their best rounds this week when playing with the marker.

Speaker 1 Did we get any conclusion to the amateur that peed in Ray's Creek?

Speaker 1 Is he in El Salvador? What's going on?

Speaker 14 I'm not sure what happened there. I think that

Speaker 14 he thought he had cover, and then there was applause at the conclusion. And I mean,

Speaker 14 I don't know, but I would guess that maybe you just say, hey,

Speaker 14 just so you know, there's actually, there's a bathroom there on 13 right behind that tee. Yeah.
So maybe, maybe next time,

Speaker 3 maybe try that. Yeah, we thought that the worst crime was him wearing the upside down Sundevil's hat.

Speaker 1 Yep, that was a worst look for Augusta.

Speaker 14 That's a new thing. That, like, you know, that's a new, like, a lot of

Speaker 14 last couple of years, like, the cool club started doing the hats with the big, whatever the word is, like, a big word for your club. But the new thing is the upside-down hats.

Speaker 14 I'm old and I'm out of it. I'm, I don't know what the trends are, but apparently, that's the new one.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you want to understand.

Speaker 3 It's not like it. It's like the bumper sticker that says, if you can read this, flip me over on a Jeep.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about, what about

Speaker 1 Scotty?

Speaker 1 Obviously didn't get it done. I felt like maybe I was reading too much into it.
The way he got out of there after the Rory putting on the green jacket, I feel like he's going to be on revenge tour.

Speaker 14 I think this is the thing about Scott. I know I did a bad job today because I thought when DeCambo hit in the water on 11, I'm like, oh, we're done here.

Speaker 14 I lost track of Oberg and Rose and didn't even realize that they

Speaker 14 had a chance to do what they did. And all of a sudden, here they came.
Scheffler felt like he didn't play great, right?

Speaker 14 Fourth. Right.
Like, that's how good that guy is. Doesn't really feel like it felt a little bit off.

Speaker 14 Still finished fourth.

Speaker 14 Revenge tour, I mean, Scotty's good. I don't think he's not the sort of dude that's wired for revenge, but probably will win a bunch of tournaments between now and the end of the year for sure.

Speaker 14 But I think, like, the guy that doesn't win, you just want to get the hell out of the way and let whoever has his moment, particularly when it's Rory, like have the moment to himself. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 What about what about Rory on 13 when he found the water after he laid up that was one of the worst shots that i've seen by a major champion maybe ever so just how bad was that shot

Speaker 14 you can't do it can't miss like that like i hated the layup yeah and the re the reason i hated the layup even though he executed the layup obviously perfect until he hit it in the water is that like there's there's a saying that i've heard coaches

Speaker 14 And I always go back to Gary Williams at Maryland, and he said, like, if you play a certain way to build a lead, and then you play completely different to protect the lead, you end up often giving up your lead because you played a certain way.

Speaker 14 There's a certain level of aggression. Rory hit a really nice drive on 13.
And I get it.

Speaker 14 You don't want to take on the, bring a big number into play with a second shot to try to get to the green, but he could have gotten to the green.

Speaker 14 And obviously, in retrospect, if you know you're going to hit in the water, you would have tried to go for the green and two anyway.

Speaker 14 But the wedge game has been always been Rory's weakest part of his game. You saw it on 18 in regulation, and he had 82 yards.
Like, that's a pigeon punt swing for anyone.

Speaker 14 And he managed to let it leak right and make the one mistake he couldn't make.

Speaker 14 But I mean, it didn't kill him in the end. I mean, he made four doubles.
That's the most anyone's ever made to win the Masters.

Speaker 14 But that swing, the swing on 18 and regulation, those are the moments that you're like, I can't believe he's going to do this again.

Speaker 14 But then he goes in the bag and pulls out magic time and time again. again.

Speaker 1 It really was incredible. It was just, it was one of the most memorable masters I can remember.
Just like sitting there the entire afternoon being like, I have to stay glued to this.

Speaker 1 I'm not even like going to take a piss because I want to watch every shot.

Speaker 14 You went piss dogs?

Speaker 1 You went piss dogs. I went piss dogs.
I would love to have gone.

Speaker 1 I went piss dogs.

Speaker 1 All right, Scott.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you one?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I'm just genuinely curious because like you guys know I've told you this. I said it with Rostillo this week that like this is my favorite week of the year.
I love it being here for a million reasons.

Speaker 14 Like, this weekend was incredible. The weather's perfect.
The people here are awesome.

Speaker 14 The story today was awesome. Like, are you, do you guys, today was great, but like, is this an event you guys like? I mean, is it something you guys look forward to?

Speaker 1 Oh, I love it. I love Masters Week.
Absolutely up there in terms of the sports calendar. It's like, you know, if you do the sports calendar, I mean, all football season, but

Speaker 1 I mean, March Madness, Masters,

Speaker 1 World Series, like they, it's it's absolutely in there. The top, you know, whatever.
If you want to say, hey, here's six things that you can't miss. Masters are absolutely in there every single year.

Speaker 14 Sports draft.

Speaker 1 That's on it.

Speaker 1 Sports draft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 14 You know what everyone asked me about all week long?

Speaker 14 We got to take a walk, boys. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 All right, so wait, I have a, let me queue up the last question, but hold on, Scott.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no. Let's do this first.
I'll do, when you go back, I'll do the last question.

Speaker 1 Let's see it. This is this is.
All right.

Speaker 14 I waited. Hold on.
I need to tell you where I was first because

Speaker 14 I didn't think it.

Speaker 14 I've been greeting you from the Pop Newman conference room here in Augusta.

Speaker 14 Now I'm going to stroll down and let's see it.

Speaker 14 Great disappointment, boys. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 What are the options here?

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 3 You know what, Scott?

Speaker 1 Maybe next year.

Speaker 3 Wait, what's that in the middle?

Speaker 1 The Ruger? Ruger. Is that a gun? I don't even know what that is.
Scott, maybe next year.

Speaker 14 Apparently, it's a delicious vanilla wafer.

Speaker 14 We got the Jumbo honey buns, and we got the Mrs. Freshley's donut sticks.

Speaker 14 But there's no Big Texas, but there is my guy here who's

Speaker 1 maybe next year you skip Augusta and you just come to the PMT studios.

Speaker 14 Oh, there we go.

Speaker 1 Hank's got a whole box. We got a whole box.
We got two.

Speaker 1 We got two. Look at Hank.
We're probably going to smash in Big Texas. Look at this.
We got the whole big Texas. We got to get this sponsored by Big Texas next year.

Speaker 1 That's good. That's good.
That is so good.

Speaker 14 How would you describe the density of that?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's so dense.

Speaker 3 It's a hockey puck.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 dense. It's very dense.
You get airy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 430 calories.

Speaker 14 Enjoy. And that's just what you...
The density is what you want to put in your stomach.

Speaker 1 We got the whole big Texas.

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, Max, enjoy enjoy our basketball coach buddy yeah max oh yeah max you gotta go go back in the room right now real quick because scott's gotta go but you gotta answer this real quick but you got buzz no no it's fine i again we're we're we're good i i'm i'm sure all we're buzz guys

Speaker 1 hey did you see that like all across maryland twitter uh the clips that like of buzz is a dog buzz is the guy was all PMT interviews. We love Buzz.
Because we love him.

Speaker 1 Like it was being used all the time because he's the best.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, like, sending out notes as we speak.

Speaker 1 Right. Max, do you want to say sorry to for stealing Scott's coach?

Speaker 6 No, I think we're both in a good spot. Okay.
I think I think all as well that has ended well with Marilyn and Villanova.

Speaker 1 Okay. Has it ended well?

Speaker 1 Kind of.

Speaker 1 You didn't win the crown.

Speaker 6 The coaching search has ended well.

Speaker 3 No, this is actually like the start.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is the start of the movie. I'm confused about the start and the end.

Speaker 6 I hope that there's a little Marilyn Villanova rivalry.

Speaker 1 I would love to do a home and home. Okay.

Speaker 14 So do we.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1 All right. My last question.
It's actually a guest question because, and you mentioned this, you said that this is your favorite week of the year. Yep.

Speaker 1 Is that because you don't have to spend any time with Stanford Steve? He was wondering. Because that's her.
That's all.

Speaker 14 I want him here.

Speaker 14 The people want him here.

Speaker 14 I'm going to build a groundswell to have him here. This is not real.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to show up. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm here with Scott.
And like, we don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 And you're going to be on the other side of the gate, and you're going to be like, oh, Steve, I'm sorry. I thought I put your name here.

Speaker 3 That's perfect because you know that he's not going to get there. So you're doing the whole i'm going to start a movement

Speaker 3 so that that you get the credit for starting the movement but you know at the end of the day this is your week this is like taking time away from the family drive away he asked me

Speaker 1 he literally texted me he texted him yeah he's my favorite human

Speaker 14 and uh i want him to come here because he's he's become like mr golf when we go to quail hollow next month we're going to be wandering fairways he's going to have a sweat towel cooking and he should be here he would love it he would love everything about this week Steve would do some damage on the barbecue sandwiches and $2 line.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he would.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 14 absolute carnage. Steve, and there's he, I mean, yes, we have to fix that.
So, all right, we'll get all right. Look, the work starts right now, work starts today.

Speaker 1 He listen, I'm just going, he texted me, said, You taped Scott yet. I said, We just started.
He said, This is his favorite week of the year. He says it all the time.

Speaker 1 Is it because he doesn't have to see or be around me?

Speaker 1 What is that about? Like, I love him.

Speaker 14 Hey, listen, he's the one that graduated to game day. And like, we got a.

Speaker 1 Oh, there we go. Yeah.
See? Oh, no.

Speaker 14 Somebody's hanging with Coach Saban and, you know, Pat and Herbie and Reese and can't be bothered to hang out with little old me. I'm only on at midnight.
You know, I'm not kicking it off at noon.

Speaker 1 You know what this is?

Speaker 1 This is something that we go through. Like, when you have a week off from each other, by the Sunday, you're like, man, I missed my bud.

Speaker 3 I think that's what he was doing.

Speaker 1 He was texting me and like, get back, Scott. We miss you.

Speaker 14 Well, I'm going to hop on a plane and go home. And I believe Steve's on vacation.
So he doesn't miss me that bad because he's not going to be there when we get back.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 And he's just trying to find some strange since you left him. He's going to start a podcast on a cruise trip with somebody.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's going to fling.
You see,

Speaker 1 we get a shot of Stanford Steve in Cabo with Jim Rome. We're like, what the hell?

Speaker 14 Racket. All right, that's fine.
I hope he has fun.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Are we good? Yeah, you're the best, Scott. Thank you, as always.

Speaker 1 Sorry you didn't get a picture of it. I want to tell you this.

Speaker 14 I want to tell you this. Thank you to you guys for having me on.
You know how much I love it. And

Speaker 14 it should warm all of our hearts. How many people I see out here at Augusta National who are only say,

Speaker 14 I can't wait to see you on with the boys tonight. Big Texas, blah, blah, blah.
So this is

Speaker 14 on the long list of traditions, like

Speaker 14 this became one. So I look forward to it.

Speaker 1 And one year, we're actually going to go to Augusta, and

Speaker 1 we'll do the show in the Pop Newman room with you live.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we won't go to the tournament. We'll just hang out at the airport.
Yeah. And then we'll just wait for you.
Yeah, you should.

Speaker 14 It'll be a blast and a lot of people coming through. No, you should come to the tournament, though.
It's worth seeing. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And you can come with Steve and we could eat barbecue sandwiches.

Speaker 1 That sounds good. Yeah, Hank's now saying, please, he's going to text me tomorrow morning and be like, did you follow up with Scott about going to the Masters?

Speaker 1 It sounded like there were more birds there this year.

Speaker 3 Is that something you you picked up on in person? The birds seemed louder. Yeah, I heard a lot of chirps.

Speaker 14 A lot of birds. Not a lot of squirrels, though.

Speaker 1 Don't see too many squirrels. Interesting.

Speaker 1 Biz has a theory about it. Yeah.
All right. Thanks, Scott.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 14 Love you, boys. Be good until next time.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Scott.

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Speaker 1 Okay, quick Monday reading before we do lottery ball.

Speaker 1 There was a really good

Speaker 1 story on golf.com.

Speaker 1 Let me shout out the writer of James Colgan wrote about the only master story Jim Nance won't tell. So it was a really good story.
Go read it on golf.com.

Speaker 1 But I wanted to bring it up because I finally feel at peace with the Jim Nance toast. Remember we had the issue where we thought it was maybe a prank, maybe not a prank, his toast style.

Speaker 1 So it turns out we thought

Speaker 2 it was a prank that he would keep a picture of

Speaker 1 that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, keep a card of his toast because he likes it extra burnt.

Speaker 3 He would allegedly show it to servers. Correct.
Like, when I order toast, this is how I want it.

Speaker 2 And you thought that was fake.

Speaker 1 So there was someone, who do we have on that was like, is it was Raftery? Yeah, Raftery thought it was prank, but I've heard that it's real.

Speaker 1 Raftery said he'd never seen the card, and he was like, I don't know if that's real. He might have been pranking.

Speaker 3 He probably doesn't have breakfast. He's probably, you know, Raftery might get up at 10 a.m.

Speaker 1 True. So

Speaker 1 the card is a prank, but he does like his toast Nance style and he calls it Nance style. Oh, I love that.
So we got to the bottom of it. So this reporter went to

Speaker 1 a diner with him out in Carmel, California, Pebble Beach. And when he walked in, he said, I'll do the toast Nance style.

Speaker 1 And the waitress was a newer waitress there and said, and by Nance style, you mean? And he just said, oh, just put it through the toaster twice. So they got into like the

Speaker 1 origin of this. So he loves his toast extra burnt.
And apparently he was doing one of these stories like 10 years ago with a reporter kind of embedded with him. And that's where the prank comes in.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 his longtime assistant, let me find, okay, here we go. Nance finds the whole ordeal deeply funny, if only because the actual origin of the legend was a prank.

Speaker 1 The wallet photo was a gag gift from Nance's longtime assistant, Melissa Miller. Yoakum,

Speaker 1 a longtime friend and co-author, was the target. When the two met for breakfast to conduct an interview for forthcoming Master Story, Nance ordered his special brand of toast.

Speaker 1 He does like it crispy, so that's confirmed, with his laminated wallet card.

Speaker 1 And he told to the reporter, I made sure the reporter saw the card, and when he asked about it, I said, well, that card has saved me a lot of hours. I told Guy, do the math with me.

Speaker 1 I eat toast six days a week, which, by the way, I eat toast about once a month. This is him talking now.
The toast comes out and it's not done.

Speaker 1 Now the eggs come out, but the toast has got to be sent back because it's not burned. So now I finished my eggs, but I've lost 10 minutes waiting.
10 minutes, six days a week. That's an hour a week.

Speaker 1 Now there's 52 weeks in a year. I'm rounding down that I'm saving two days a year.
So that was how the whole thing happened.

Speaker 3 So it was a joke, and then the reporter saw it. The reporter wrote it up.

Speaker 3 They didn't fact-check the joke.

Speaker 1 He loves his toast, extra toasty, but the actual card was a joke on a reporter.

Speaker 3 It sounds like the joke was not really a joke. It was like, here, Jim, this will actually save you time.
And then Jim was like, oh, that's so funny. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it was like one of those serious ha-ha jokes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I'm happy we got to the bottom of it.

Speaker 2 Do we have to question the tie?

Speaker 3 No, the tie is real. The tie is real.
Giving away the tie is real. The tie is real.

Speaker 1 Because he saw it and he got shaped.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was real because he was angry that the story got out.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 He was like, that's supposed to be just a nice behind-the-scenes thing. Yeah.
How much do you think Jim Nance gets paid?

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 3 I think he gets paid more than you think he does.

Speaker 1 Were you guys a little sad at the end of the masters today? Like, we only have 10 more of these? I was.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is it 10 or 11? 11.

Speaker 1 Sorry, 11 more. Don't, don't, don't, don't cut us short.
We have 11 more of these.

Speaker 1 That's going to go by in a blank.

Speaker 3 I'm going to guess Jim Nance gets 15 million a year.

Speaker 1 How many more shot? I was going to say 20. I mean, he does NFL and 30.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So

Speaker 3 probably 35 million. Yeah, he gets a lot.

Speaker 2 Good for him. Yeah.
How many more shots of a lifetime in 11 years?

Speaker 1 Six.

Speaker 1 Two. Well, I think every player

Speaker 3 could be 11 because every player can have their own shot of a lifetime. True.
It's not shot of my lifetime. Rory can't.
Jim Nance doesn't say shot shot of my lifetime.

Speaker 1 Yeah, does he? Rory can't.

Speaker 3 No, that's what. He already had it.
He even had two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 All right. Finish-up numbers, by the way.

Speaker 1 I'll do three. You got it.

Speaker 6 You can have it.

Speaker 1 I don't care who has it. Who has it? I got to get it.
Who got it? I got it. No, PFT.
I got it. All right, PFT got it.
I'll take four.

Speaker 6 I'll take five.

Speaker 1 Someone at the airport gave SUP a big Texas, so he did get his. Love that.
Yeah, he just texted us. He's like, update.
Someone handed me this. So he got his big Texas.

Speaker 2 We'll take 11.

Speaker 2 Minus 11.

Speaker 1 What's Rory's? What's something Rory's?

Speaker 2 He was minus 11. Oh.
He shot 73 today. He is.

Speaker 1 73. This is his fifth major.

Speaker 3 Was he 35 years old?

Speaker 1 99.

Speaker 1 I thought it was his fourth. Fuck.

Speaker 2 44. I think it's his fifth.

Speaker 1 No, he's greater than him. I just assumed four.
Well, no,

Speaker 1 he won the

Speaker 3 U.S. Open twice.
Why were you that broken up about that, memes? I don't know. He tied Brooks.
No, no, he was just like, fuck. I want to get it.

Speaker 1 I want to get it today. A major.
All right, everyone, say their numbers again. Four.

Speaker 2 Three. 11.

Speaker 1 73.

Speaker 1 You are never going to get it.

Speaker 1 How many majors will Rory have before Memes gets it?

Speaker 3 That's seven. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm going to say seven as well.

Speaker 3 44.

Speaker 2 Seven's probably a safe bet.

Speaker 3 Gets her at least two years.

Speaker 6 Should we do a punishment if Rory gets to seven majors before Memes gets a number?

Speaker 1 I think you should punish him. Memes has to play Augusta until he shoots a 73.
Done.

Speaker 1 You can't leave, though.

Speaker 1 You can't stop playing.

Speaker 1 You have to mimic it. And you can't get it.

Speaker 2 We're not going to get you all. You have to just.
No, it's got to be on the simulator.

Speaker 1 We'll just find a simulator. It'll be on the simulator.

Speaker 3 You have to get married and divorced and then married again.

Speaker 1 To the same woman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes is never going to get it.

Speaker 1 But if it's here, I'm just going to touch on it.

Speaker 1 90.

Speaker 3 Love you guys.