Ryan Whitney, Someone Peed At The Masters, Luka’s Return + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Stats compiler, awesome hour, talking with Whit about hockey, golf, going back to school. He might go back to college.

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Today is Friday, April 11th,

and the Masters have been canceled.

Hello, friends.

The Masters have been canceled.

Somebody has peed in Rays Creek.

Yes.

Jose Luis Ballister has completely desecrated this tournament he's an amateur he wore an upside down hat arizona state arizona which is i mean it's perfect that an arizona state person would do that yeah and then he peed he peed under the bridge in hole 13 and i for one am disgusted raised creek now i think the problem i think people have a problem with this because he admitted it yeah my guess is that this is like swimmers peeing in the pool i think everybody pees in raise creek we just don't talk about peeing in raise creek i so i don't know if he it was he admitted it because everyone saw everyone saw it he got a round of applause when he finished yeah so he said it was his biggest round of applause all day. But I just love that this is the prevailing story from the first round of the Masters.
This young whippersnapper amateur just causing havoc because he was golfing in Scotty Scheffler's group peeing in rivers wearing upside down hat which I actually think the peeing I have zero problem with obviously obviously. I kind of do, I kind of agree with people who are like the upside down hat at Augusta's bullshit.
It's beneath Augusta? Yeah. In his defense, he was probably hammered.
Yeah. If you're an Arizona State golfer and you play at the mat, I assume that you're just taking full advantage of the car curl.
Just being like, bring it, keep the rounds coming. Yeah, let's go.
I love it. If you're a guy that maybe might not get back to augusta then i say go ahead and pee in there just be yourself be yourself pee yourself the one thing is you probably shouldn't say pee that's probably one of those words that augusta won't let you say they probably are like the golfer eliminated yeah to raise creek mixtureate yeah mixture that's a latin word for it uh i'm pretty sure after that hole the the tee box, like the route to the next tee box is completely isolated and in the woods.
And there's also port-a-potties right next to every tee box. Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah, no, he said that. He said he realized that afterwards, like, oh, yeah, there are port-a-potties.
Yikes. But here's the thing.
Most people just play golf so that they can pee outside. Yeah.
It's just a good excuse to take a leak on a tree. Peeing into a river is awesome.
Yeah. That's a fun thing to do.
But the hat, do you agree with me? The hat, I think, is too much. So I have to defend the hat because I think that's Ben DiNucci's company.
So I'm compromised on that. Let's say it's not.
Let's say it's not. Let's say it's a quarterback that I don't like.
We'll look at a lot of copycats. Yeah, it's a copycat.
Yeah. No, he invented writing letters upside down.
Yeah. But if it wasn't his company, I would say I'm shocked that Augusta didn't confiscate it.
Yeah. I just, this might be where I feel like an old man, but I saw the hat and I was like, this is disgusting.
Yeah. You can't do this to Augusta.
I think that's worse than wearing a hat backwards. Yeah, what do you say Max 47 would never 47 would never we spell our words right side up yeah uh all right so first round uh Scotty's still really good at golf yep Justin Rose in first seven under someone was I think Trent so Trent is here our good friend from foreplay uh he was saying that like statistically speaking you basically have to be top six after the first round like anyone past that is not eliminated but almost so right now that would include bryson ludwig yeah be in there rory would be in that group as well rory played really well uh max was up and down today i think he started off i think he was two under through four holes i think i'll we'll take credit for that for the podcast bump yeah and if if we want to have any blame passed around we probably should have called him at the turn yep we should have called him at the turn we should talk to him then uh he had one bad hole uh but i think i think svp's booth is set up on the second nine yeah and so he got into the svp zone and was like i wish i was talking to pmt guys yeah that's a fact i uh i just want max to make the cut let's focus on making the cut yep let's find a way to make the cut let's have a weekend house that's possible for it's right there it's right there uh hank how are your how are your uh uh bets doing because you're a live head yeah i'm heavy on live i need i need ted guys, basically everyone except for Bubba.
And what is his name? Is he one of the four aces? This is really good. But yeah, I need 10 Liv guys to finish top 20.
And right now I have four. Neiman, Garcia, Brooks.
They're kind of lingering, so they have a shot. I'm in an okay spot.
Okay. What's Brooks at right now? Brooks is 38 okay what's his what's his score but he's what's his age he's plus one if he was minus one he'd be a little it's a crazy 30 yeah yeah but i mean the scores are so closely grouped together plus one okay plus one uh do you see freddy couples eagle that was yeah i feel like freddy couples has one of these rounds every masters where it's like oh shit yeah freddie couples still a pleasure to watch him swing did he play with a neon ball of course i love it yeah the the swing is just it's the best i don't care i want freddie out there every single year just with that sweet sweet swing the starters they obviously started like the ceremonial start those guys just hit one shot yeah okay i would want to play my shot it would be yeah i would absolutely want to play if you always think about that i would probably take a provisional if i missed it if you pipe one down the middle can you just finish out the hole i'd finish out the round yeah like i think i'm locked into that like i might win this thing yeah because there is no age limit obviously it's a courtesy thing that you don't want to play if you physically can't get through it.
But imagine if that was just how every single master started where it's like, if you pipe that first drive, it's like, all right, I'm actually playing. It's still your box.
I'm in there. I'm in there.
Any other anything else of note? Patrick Reed also one under. He's one of your guys, Hank.
Yep. I like it.
I like it when Patrick Reed wins the Masters because it makes everybody so mad. It's a very specific thing.
I know, but everybody, like, you know, Patrick Reed has a lot of haters. He's only won once, right? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. He's got a lot of haters.
You could call them haters or you could call them, I guess, plaintiffs in some circumstances. Teammates? Yeah, teammates.
But I like how angry he makes golf people. Yes.
So I don't like him, but I do enjoy watching the chaos when he does well. I'd agree with that.
I'm just happy that it seems like we got some big names to start. And some weather.
When's weather coming? Tomorrow. What time? Look it up.
Look it up, Hank. Figure out the weather.
How's wu-tang clan doing i saw you had an woman shot from behind a tree right onto the green oh he's uh he's one under two all right max got the weather faster than hank uh significantly faster weather looks perfect that does look good hank probably mile an hour winds okay that's fine hank probably uses a specific golf app for the weather that has the weather inside it somewhere. Yeah, overnight it's going to rain, which is good.
Soft green. So, Hank, when you said the weather.
That might have been an earlier in the week forecast. It feels like you're not locked into the Masters.
I'm locked into our Masters. Okay.
Mini golf. Okay, that's fine.
Earlier in the week it said there was going to be you know storms on friday but that's not the case let's get you locked in i know tomorrow tomorrow i'm all in all in all in all the covers six six tvs all in my ass six tvs i'll be in the cave just mastered up i love that i love that for you uh okay i had a couple other things to talk about before we get to whit, which was a great interview. By the way, you can see right in front of me right now.
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Okay, so tell me. Well, I remember, was it Isaiah Thomas Jr.? That one was probably...
I think he's still waiting for his tribute video. Yeah.
He deserved a tribute video. Yeah, I think if you win a championship or you're the face of the franchise tribute video okay so here here are my two thoughts about the actual tribute video one it was really well done luca got emotional he cried i'm surprised that he played as well as he did after getting so emotional uh in the pregame because it feels like that was that was a heavy moment for him so credit to him for playing well and then second the video editor the whole time they were making the tribute video had to just be like why the fuck did we trade this guy right like what look at all these awesome highlights i'm cutting together he's young as shit why am i making this video he should have had nico should have made the tribute video yeah in fact any gm here's what you if you ever think that maybe you should trade a great player

what you should be forced to do is sit down and make a tribute video for him and then after you're making the video then you think about it and you decide if you still want to trade him after you made the video yeah i agree don't ever go to the grocery store hungry that's exactly the same i do go to the grocery store hungry all the time i just eat while i'm grocery shopping and you buy a shit load of cookies and everything.

It's the best.

He had 45, eight and six absolutely dominated the mavs i was happy for luca uh because that was probably very cathartic for him i was happy for the fans because they got to watch luca beat the team they now hate because of what Nico Harrison did. And and i also was made aware that nico harrison has not sat in his real seats since the trade you fucking coward go back and sit your seat is he doing the thing where he's he's trying to get sympathy because he's like it's not safe for me to sit in my seat i don't know what he's doing but you better fucking sit in those seats buddy yeah i saw that they were handing out clown noses nico clown noses to the fans to wear before the game.
I was actually shocked they did the tribute video because it's like from everything I've seen and read, they're trying to suppress the fans. There was a guy who had a like fire Nico that got taken off the jumbotron.
There was a woman who was sitting in front row who they didn't kick her out, but they thought about kicking her out. I was shocked they played that because it basically was an entire indictment on Nico Harrison as a human being.
Get back in the seats, buddy. The Mavs fans don't do anything physical, but the Mavs fans deserve someone to yell at.
I agree. He's a coward for not sitting there.
You can't make that trade and then be like, oh, I don't sit in my seats anymore. Yeah, especially he should have been forced to watch the tribute video.
Yep. Look what you did.
Look what you took away from these people. That's a completely fair thing to do.
If you're going to make a trade like that, you have to be able to face the music afterwards. Yeah.
And then I thought JJ had some pretty cool things to say afterwards. He seems like he'd be a good guy to play for.
Oh. JJ Redick.
Oh. TJ Watt.
Peace.

Is he going to get traded?

I don't know.

There's some discussion about it.

It was funny because our colleague and friend, Jersey Jerry, he's on vacation right now, but I just saw a tweet from him.

Oh, my God.

Not like this or something like that.

And I mean, it was like TJ Watt.

Something bad happened.

But yeah, he posted a cryptic Instagram post that just had the peace sign. So I don't know what's happening.
Please know what he wrote. I immediately knew it was TJ Watt related.
Jerry posted the peace sign. Please know.
TJ Watt did not post a picture of the peace sign. What did TJ Watt post? Did he? Yeah, TJ Watt did it.
TJ Watt posted an Instagram story of him going peace. Giving a peace sign.
Cryptic. There wasn't any words or anything, and then Jerry said, please no.
He might be out on a little drug trip with Aaron Rodgers and just feeling the peaceful vibe of the universe. Click the Jerry tweet.
That is what TJ Watt posted on Instagram story.

Click that.

Okay.

That's TJ Watt's Instagram story.

So that's what started.

So now people are freaking out.

All the rumors and everyone freaking out that he might be gone.

Yeah.

That's a fair freak out.

Fair freak out.

I'd be freaking out too.

We also had, since we're on the AFC North, Deshaun Watson said that he's going to prove all his doubters wrong. He believes that he's going to prove them all wrong, and he believes in himself.
I would like to be front of the line doubter. He said he's going to use you as comeback fuel.
Great. Right here, Deshaun.
You're not going to do shit. He shouldn't be allowed to call it that.
Yeah, he should not be allowed to call it that. Yeah.
Doubter, I want first in line. If you want to make a list, put me at the top.
Doubter, you stink, dude, and you're a bad guy. But he's also the guy that made room for all the doubters.
I don't think he has any doubters that are wildly inaccurate with doubting him. Five years ago, I was not a doubter.
Yeah, it's a completely reasonable thing to doubt Deshaun Watson. Yeah.
But I just want it on the record. Because if he's looking for him, I want it.
Anyone else? Get in line. Would anyone else like to be proclaiming themselves a doubter? Yeah, I might.
I'm a doubter. Okay.
Max? Doubter? Yep. Memes? Oh, no.
Memes. Doubter.
Are you sure? Doubter. Because you...
you like what if he was on the jets

no doubter doubter memes speaking of the jets did you um see justin fields quote

no what'd he say he said i don't uh someone asked him about the possibility of the jets

drafting a quarterback this year and he said i don't really like to answer rhetorical questions

i'm willing to teach but i'm not really interested in rhetorical questions that's not a rhetorical question that's a hypothetical hypothetical question yeah big difference big difference uh they they might draft a quarterback yeah steelers might too so that'd be do you think that's why aaron rogers is taking his time absolutely because he wants to wait for the draft and be like, I don't want to, I don't want to put myself in a Kirk cousin situation. I was on a Pittsburgh radio with our good friends, uh, uh, W, uh, DVE this morning.
And we were talking about it and it made me realize that like, they are essentially being held hostage by Aaron Rogers. He's not even a stealer.
Yeah. This is what he does.
Yeah. He's not even a Steeler, and everyone in Pittsburgh just waiting like, is it? Is it not? Is it? At some point during the six-hour meeting that Aaron Rodgers had with the Steelers brass, he definitely asked, are you guys planning on drafting quarterback? If you're six hours, I assume the topic came up once.
Yeah. He probably is like, I've got to i gotta wait and see but also he's so old like

what is it how many more years exactly teach someone but we don't deal in rhetorical how old is he he's 40 41 that's old as fuck too old right hank yeah 40 is washed really old whoa washed uh Aaron Rodgers is 41 years old.

So, yeah, I think that would be fair for the Steelers to, even if they signed Aaron Rodgers, to be like, hey, we're also going to draft Shadur Sanders or we're going to draft somebody else. Right.
So what else? Oh, the Nuggets whole thing. I know we talked about it on Wednesday.
Jokic came out and basically said exactly what we thought. He was like, yeah, I'm okay with it.
I wasn't discussed. They didn't discuss it with me before, but it is what it is.
Well, then Wendy had a report earlier today. Did you hear that? No.
So Wendy's report was kind of what we said about the Memphis Grizzlies situation, which is they didn't like their coach. They wanted to fire him after the season.
And what they didn't want is for him to get hot in the playoffs and then they can't fire him after. I think that's very different from the Gris situation because Malone won an NBA title.
He won you your first championship. If he then comes back and wins a second NBA championship in three years and your team's never won one before, that is a good thing.
No matter what concerns you have about his coaching style or whether it's built for long-term success, if he wins two in three years, you cannot fire him. Right.
I mean, it goes to the whole Nuggets ownership, too. Like when you have the best player in basketball in his prime, you should be willing to go over the luxury tax and spend a lot of money to try to get more championships.
Yeah. Not just have one and be like, that was good.
Well, there was one clip where I – this was from, like, two weeks ago, three weeks ago, where Michael Malone was talking about his players, and he said something along the lines of, yeah, you know, we have to go back and we'll look at the film. We'll have to show the players the film because they don't watch film, but we'll show it to them.
He, like, went out of his way. That seemed like there's something wrong.
There's something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, but I don't know. He won you guys a championship.
I feel like don't fire him before the playoffs. Yeah.
I also think Jokic deserves more credit. I saw this story from Tom Haberstraw.
He wrote a whole story about how basically Jokic, it's insane how little help he's had, and it would be totally reasonable for him to ask for a trade because it happens all the time, but Jokic has never. He's been just a good soldier.
do you know that uh tell me how many mvps or sorry how many uh all-star all-stars yokich has played for on the nugget played with on the nuggets uh not guys who got an all-star and then came to the nuggets but the guy who was on an all-star team while being on the nuggets with yokich jamal murray nope never made one nope okay uh i don't think michael porter nope i don't think he's played with anything the answer is zero pretty crazy that is yeah that's wild it's pretty pretty crazy uh and jamal murray probably should have made one though well he's had years where he's been hurt yeah and uh i don't know if he's i mean there's it's hard to make all-star games i know if it's hard to make all-star games let me pull up the article though because it's zero and then there's there's even more that we're just like crazy he's never played with an all-defensive uh player i don't know that it's fair though to say that he has not had help he's had help because like jamal murray's a good player michael poor jr is a good player kcp was a very good player for him of course but he's he has not every single mvp since 1984 has had has played with a guy who who made an all-star game yokich is the only one who has it that's pretty crazy like when i saw it i was like holy shit this is this is not this is not normal the answer is zero yeah never played with an all-star teammate in his seven trips to the all-star. He's gone seven times.
He's been on the Nuggets for 10 years. You have to admit, like, that's a crazy stat.
No all-NBA members, no all-defense awardees, 10 years. And if you looked at it, it was like Magic Johnson had like 35, if you count all three of those.
Larry Burnett had 32. All these teammates, Steph, 27.
Zero for Jokic. Max is highlighting Bruce Brown.
Bruce Brown? He was telling me that he's... Bruce Brown made an All-Star game? Memes thought that he won sixth man of the year.
They had to have sixth man of the year. I didn't say sixth man of the year, but I don't know if he did.
I don't know if he did. I don't think he did.
I don't think he could say. He played one year in Denver and he averaged 11 points.
I don't think you could say the Nuggets in this era. It's not like they have scrubs on the team and then Jokic is just dominating everybody.
But yeah, that is crazy. It was shocking.
They have no Robin. Correct.
It was shocking just because Jokic, you never hear Jokic say like his coach just got fired two days ago right before the playoffs started he's never had a true number two you've also never heard Jokic really complain yeah so that was the part that was was kind of shocking anything else do we have foul ball guys oh did he get banned i think that might have been fake news i thought it was fake i saw john boy tweeted it and it was does he not rob the home run oh he robbed the home run right that's what oh there was a fake news going around that he got banned from all uh mlb stadiums this year no i was just talking more he robbed the home run and then was like taking selfies of himself now how are you sure that that's that campel on the Jumbo Trot. Also, he was just talking more.
He robbed the home run and then was taking selfies of himself. Now, how are you sure that that's Zach Campbell?

On the Jumbotron.

He was wearing a shirt that said Zach Campbell on it.

Yeah.

If I could be in position to rob a home run, I'd rob a home run.

He also didn't rob it.

It was over the wall.

He kept his glove on the right side of the wall.

I don't know.

Watch it.

He didn't reach over the wall. That was against the Cubs.
You would be furious. Of course.
But I also would know that Zach Campbell's the GOAT. He is.
He did not. Did he go over the wall? It looks like his hand is right there on the wall.
That's very, very close. That's no Jeffrey Mayer, but I don't think he reached out.
If anything, this Ray's guy is trying to steal it from him yeah exactly thank you max listen i i know zach hample's a very controversial actually he's not controversial everyone just hates him he's he's the best to ever do it he is the best at what he when did we stop respecting greatness see so here's an article from one of our bloggers uh he said zach hample continues to be the worst to ever do it you can't say that that's a you can't That's an actually incorrect statement. You Zach Hample continues to be the worst to ever do it.
You can't say that. That's an incorrect statement.
You can say he continues to be the worst. Yeah.
But you can't say the worst to ever do it. He's literally the best to ever do it.
Because what he does, he is the best of all time at. And it's not even close.
Who's this blogger? Rico Bosco. Got it.
I didn't see. Max, you had to scroll down.
Got it. Got it all right do we have anything else it's about it uh great interview with whitney i love having i need so badly for we'll talk you'll hear it at the end but i need so badly for this content to happen that we propose between hank and whitney so uh all right let's kick it to ourselves for ryan.
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Now, here's Ryan Whitney. Okay, we now welcome on our very, very, very good friend.
Actually, he's number one, I think, on the leaderboard. I thought I lost it.
I thought I ended up getting passed. We got to find it.
Can someone look up PMP's stats? Because I haven't been on in quite a while. Yeah, you were...
I was angry. We've had a couple of russillos since you left.
No, it was obviously with your last year, I think it was also during... Biz and I came on together.
Yeah, when your third child was born and there was like some scheduling stuff. Yes, yes, yes.
Because I remember. Yeah, yeah.
So, but it's Ryan Whitney. And I think if you're not one, you're two.
It's an honor. We've got to get you back.
This won't be the last time we have you on during playoffs. We're going to have you back on.
So you'll get back. And hockey season only started two months ago for you guys.
Well, preseason. next week.
Yeah. It's preseason until April 19th.
It started the day after the Four Nations ended. Yeah.
Four Nations wasn't even season for you guys? The best All-Star game ever. No, it was an All-Star game.
You agree it was an All-Star game. It's an exhibition.
I agreed it was one of the most amazing exhibitions I've ever seen. Exhibition.
I an all-star it was an all-star game it was a warm-up to the olympics yeah but it was an exhibition so like if you're a canadian and you're saying oh man we beat you guys like okay in an exhibition so that's what i kind of trying to hold on to but after my celebration of the saturday night win in montreal i couldn't lean on that anymore that's kind kind of what went to crazy. Yeah, that's exactly what we did.
We do that all the time with USA Hockey, right? The worst part about Four Nations and the Olympics next year, do you guys know? No. It's no Russia.
Oh. So nothing is really that legit because – Would they be that good? Best on best hockey, like you need Russia involved.
It's just – you know what I mean? Would their team be that good? Their team's goalies and forwards are probably the best. Their D's not great.
So you're saying double exhibition. It's complete Mickey Mouse because Russia wasn't playing.
That's a valid point. Double exhibition.
Can we get one of their goalies to be a U.S. citizen? No, that's not going to happen.
I don't think Putin will go for that one. He's reasonable.
Well, no. What if it's like Cuban baseball players like 20 years ago, they'd do a tournament in the U.S.
and just stay? But they were like 45 years old and saying they were 26. Also, if a Russian were to defect, Putin would just probably say, hey, I got your family.
Yeah, I got all you. I got everyone.
I mean, the most amazing thing about the OV goal chase is, and this is totally not, it could not be true. He could be like 46 years old.
Like, you never know with Russians. So the fact that he's like could be a little older is even crazier.
Do you know that when he was drafted in 2004, I believe, and prior to the draft, the GM of the Panthers at the time was just onslaughting the league with a technicality that he should be able to be drafted that year because of leap years. Yeah.
Technically, he was 18 if we counted leap years. I love it.
And I respect the hell out of that. Just trying your hardest, knowing how good he'd be.
It's a great play. Imagine if they had said yes.
You're right. Exactly.
That guy would have been the GM of the century. Ever.
Ever. They gave it their best shot and then he changed Washington.
Do you think the fact that there was no Russia and the Four Nations actually helped Ovi because he got a nice little break in the middle of it? And not, you know, not one Caps player was on any of the teams. Right, yeah.
So it's a big break where you see McDavid get injured, the Kachucks get injured. There were several other guys, too, that I can't think of right now that, yeah, I mean, you're trying to win a cup and all of a sudden you're going to war in an exhibition for a week.
Definitely affects you. I kind of love hockey's like down for that i don't know if they're the owners are willingly down for it well i mean i've i think i originally first bashed basketball on your show years years ago i'm talking 2017 and and that night was the greatest thing in the world for the hockey basketball conversation they were squaring off at center ice in an exhibition and basketball was like throwing like balls through a hula hoop with cars by the way we found it uh it didn't go well because i watched as max tried to he had to at one point google how to spell appearance uh but i think you're i was spelling it right by the way i tied.
Tied, so I don't know when this was last updated.

When was this last updated?

Yesterday.

Oh, okay.

So there we go.

So you're now number one.

You are number one, all-time leader, best guest.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you, guys.

In terms of appearances.

That's just amazing news right there.

I mean, Mike Portnoy, the list, the name's on that list.

We got to get Mr. Portnoy back on.

Yeah, I know.

Why would you stop having him on just because his son is mean to him?

Yeah.

Randy Moss is on that list.

The white one.

I don I know. Why would you stop having him on just because his son is mean to him? Yeah.
Randy Moss is on that list, the white one. Yeah, the white one.
Have you ever had the black Randy Moss on? No, we have not. He said no? No, we've never asked.
That's such a no-brainer for you guys. I think we have tried to have him on in the past, but it wasn't like he said no.
I think the schedule just never lined up.. But we will have him on.
Well, I know Jaden Daniels. He's been on.
He's been on? Yeah. Because I knew you had on Caleb.
We had Jaden Daniels on right after he won the Heisman and then we were going to try to get him on Super Bowl week, but it was Super Bowl week's weird because it's like every interview, you either have your friends that you know will come down and sit with you or you have people who are selling something which no disrespect to them because why not go make money pitching a product and then we realized we're going to do grit week in that area so it's like we'd rather talk to him when he's when he's more like chill when he's not yeah when he's not going from interview to interview all of super bowl plus if we were to have him on that week it would be us interviewing him, but also four other shows putting out their Jaden Davis interview. And then they're saying the same thing on every show.
I just love talking about Jiffy Lube, their car care service, second to none. Skittles.
My mom is watching every girl I'm with like a hawk. Yeah, I'm okay with that.
No girls. Yeah, okay.
I feel some tension between the two of you. There's no tension.
He told last night that i have a beef with you i said about what sport now all right so friendship yeah about the sport of friendship sport of friendship that's serious and i've heard i've heard through the grapevine from two separate sources that wit has been on edge about this well i'm wondering like all of a sudden i got a guy that like because you don't know, like, super well, you and I, that's coming up to me with a dead serious face, walking out, going, I'll see you tomorrow. I said, does anyone know what that's about? Everyone's telling me no.
So, obviously. I thought it was Ovi.
I mean. Immediately, I was like, it's gotta be Ovi.
I'm coming on a show knowing that the host of the show has a beef with me. I'm curious.
Well, we've known each other for how long? We've known each other for about seven, eight years. Eight years.
Eight years. I've considered you a friend.
We've always been friendly. We haven't hung and spent a lot of time together outside the office.
We're not friends, but we're friendly. I don't have your number.
Yeah, I would agree with that. So what's interesting is I was going on your Twitter the other day because I want to see what's Whitney posting about.
I want to be able to have a good interview. What's he fired up about? You don't follow me on Twitter.
I do. You don't follow me on Twitter, Whit.
That's one of those things that, you know, you end up on somebody's page and you press it by accident. Oh, no.
Go with that? Well, I know for a fact at one point i followed you and there was no point in time where i went i'm gonna go unfollow pft commenter yeah so that's what concerned me i was like wit you we used to follow each other i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna do it right again so hold on uh-huh you truthfully thought as a listener of this show the number one most occurring guest yep you think i went and unfollowed that's what made me so concerned i actually didn't think that would i actually i figured out what happened i think you remember when i locked down my twitter account with 999,999 followers yes i think you might have unfollowed and tried to refollow just to see like oh is oh, is it really locked down? And then I think I told you at the time, like, no, if you opted out, I'm not letting you back in until I open it up. And then you just never came in.
The whole time you knew what happened. No, I thought about it more overnight, and I was like, I'm pretty sure that's it.
I just wanted you to stew in the beef a little bit longer. Yeah, I'm like, last night, I'm like talking to Francis.
I'm like, I don't know what the fuck i did to pft commenter i'm asking big cat what i do i think it's like i don't know anything and i'm like this man's lied to me no but i didn't know i don't believe him when you what did i say to you last night i said you said i don't know i said i don't i don't think i've ever seen pft genuinely mad at anyone so i wouldn't worry that much oh that's not true. I've been mad at Max before.
Yeah. I mean, I got to be honest.
I was disgusted by Max. Oh.
Disgusted. I texted Dan.
Yeah. Did you see him eat? No.
The April 1st thing. Oh.
We don't have to do that. So I was very.
We don't have to do this. So hold on.
Come on. We do not have to do this.
Hold on, Max. I'm sorry.
So, Max. It's always the best.
I was listening. I'm listening.
I was on a flight home. What was it? It was last week, right? I was like.
It was April 1st. So, I texted Dan in the middle of listening.
I'm like, who is on the phone? Like, who is playing Big Dom? And then as I kept listening, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Jerry O'Connell.
Veryconnell very funny very funny clip yes then it comes out of you like telling that kid you're gonna fire him i was like you were that mad yeah i was mad i was fired up i was fired up i'm i was like oh he's not that mad i was like i wasn't actually gonna fire him yeah I guess. I'm going to slap you.
Yeah, he's going to slap him. So like growing up, were you like, you could not take a joke? No.
The joke is, I've taken many a joke on this very program right here. Yeah, but you've become like a household name, enormous part of the show.
Enormous. It's gone from like, you came on like on like who's this guy and now it's like Max is like a storyline every episode and then you're telling a guy you're gonna fire him I was like holy shit crazy I was embarrassed I should have known Big Dom's voice and that's that's what I was i thought you said you knew it wasn't myself no i said it i thought wait obviously i didn't know it wasn't him or else i wouldn't have reacted that what day was this on this was on april 1st oh okay yeah yeah yeah so so my thing is i said my thing is when you saw the how did you guys release it Like for mature audiences only? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The PMTV.

Were you like, oh my God, I'm so embarrassed how I look here?

Or were you still like, no, fuck them?

Some of both.

Yeah.

I mean, those were fake closed captions.

No.

No.

I think it's just funny.

I never thought you were mad.

I was like, oh.

No, I was mad.

No, no, no.

He was mad.

I started breaking stuff back here. This was like an like a fool's break he broke his little finger skateboard where he was i have it in my hand right now at first he was mad at us and then after i i'd say even after like 10 15 minutes you gradually became mad at yourself yes and then you got mad at yourself for being so mad right and being like i'm gonna I'm going to look stupid because I was mad.
He was mad at the situation. And then little did you know how stupid you were going to look.
As a Max guy, I was like, oh, my God. I have like a litmus.
I'm afraid to ever mess with him. Yeah, he's an Italian.
He just is an Italian through and through. You can't use that excuse.
I'm Italian. Don't make a joke.
No, there's some Italians that's like, all right, they're not like, you know, they're Italian, but that's just part of their personality. Like, if you had to describe Max, it's Italian.
That's what he, that's how he, his emotions. I just had a piece of pizza with him.
I can tell. His emotions, all of his emotions are just like ramped up.
Yeah. Just good, bad, happy, sad.
But the ego stuff, I get that. Like, you you know your show's built on people being diehard fans and it's like on april fool's prank oh i've never seen somebody that mad i i ever i have a litmus test for like when i think something we've done is like really funny and it's when wit and yans text me being like oh my god yans texted me first i got a text from both of them.
And he's like, dude, you see this guy fucking Max? He's snapping. Two very funny guys.
And when they text, I'm like, oh, this was good. Like we hit it.
We got something here. Oh, man.
Yeah, I should have. I overreact.
I may have overreacted. I may have overreacted.
No, it's very, very, very good content though though, Max. Unfortunately, at your expense this time,

but you've been on the right side of things lately, right?

Yeah, no, the Eagles won the Super Bowl.

And then did I hear there's a chance you're going to the White House?

Yes.

I don't think that might end up happening.

He's been in talks with Big Dom about it.

Like Big Dom felt so bad?

Big Dom texted me right away.

He's like, I just listened. So funny.

We can't let my paisan go down like that.

We're going to try to get him into the White House.

I don't think it's I.

Which is which is more than fine, which is more than fine.

But it would be great.

We're joking that, like, imagine if he snaps on Donald Trump.

Yeah.

Or like, fucker.

Or Big Dom hires him as security.

And then, like, one of the Eagles players gets, like, accosted by, like, a prot's on that detail oh it's Max make sure no Hamas tweets no Hamas there's a lot of things the Sal Palantonio is really the one that I look back at and I'm like how the fuck did I think that Sal Palantone... You started listing Italian, Sal Pal.
I know, I know. That was...
See, there was moments where I would just get... I'd be like, oh, I'm starting to do it right now where I just think about, like, how are you that stupid and just being...
I was mostly mad at myself. I was mostly mad at myself.
Sal Pal. We could tell.
We could tell. Ben Majera, Max.
So, Whit, let's talk a little hockey. Spitting Chicklets, everyone should listen.
It's the best. Thank you.
Especially when we get to playoff time. It's so awesome.
It seems like every year we have something big in playoffs with us. Yeah.
So I'm kind of hoping again this year something happens. Is there any bet going? I mean, I know that Biz doesn't do his bets.
You don't make bets with him anymore. Right.
It's the same. Who was I just talking about? There was a guy that used to work at Barstool that made a bet.
He jumped in the Hudson River if the Rangers lost. He never did.
It's like, all right, well, we don't make bets with you anymore. Is that Avery? Avery.
You know what Avery's doing? No. Avery is producing a podcast.
I'll give you one guess. I actually know who.
Okay. I forgot.
Yeah, Hawk Tua. Jake.
Oh, I thought he was working for Jake Paul. No, he was producing the Talk Tua podcast.
When she did the meme drop? Yeah. You're lying.
I'm so dead serious. That was what he was doing? Avery was working for Hawk Tua.
I thought he worked for Jake Paul. I think he does now.
I think it's his production company, yeah. Jake Paul, whatever.
But that was his baby.

Oh, man.

Talk to her.

Which was a great show, by the way.

And then she disappeared.

Yeah.

So hockey this year, so many storylines.

I think the number one for me is that this is the best chance

the Leafs have ever had to win the cup.

And you won't make a bet with Biz because he didn't get circumcised.

I don't even think he really is. He's so into it.
It's almost one of those like i don't need to bet it right you know because like i have so much riding on it anyways right but the there's some been just some crazy like uh what would be the word like coincidences or like things that are kind of happening that lead back to the last maple leaf stanley team of destiny yes? Yes, if you want to look at it that way. For a team who's had just no success, 1967.
The first is that, well, the most recent one I heard is the last time both the Detroit Red Wings and Boston Bruins didn't make the Stanley Cup was 1967. Nothing crazy.
The playoffs. Kind of nuts that those two teams didn't make it the last time they won well they're both out there was uh the last time the the there was a member of the maple leaves with the nickname chief 1967 their coach is now nicknamed chief it's his first year okay um there were some other things that that are kind of uh i'm i'm missing off the top of my head right now some there was one amazing one it come back to me, but basically it's like you have all these storylines of the Leafs.
You have their best player or one of them coming up as a free agent. So Mitch Marner.
Who's that? Mitch Marner. Nobody has any clue.
Basically, Biz is describing it as if he lights it up and we go on a run, even if we don't win the cup, we have to resign him. If he doesn't play good, we don't resign him.
So it's like, well, you're really going to rely just on this one singular playoff to determine his fate and future as a Maple Leafs? So that's kind of crazy storyline there. Here's another one right here.
Berube, he coached the Blues. He snapped a 52-year championship drought.
Yes, yes. And then this would be 52 years since 1967.
It's wild. And not to mention, forget the other things.
And I wish I had all the other ones in my head. You can see the graphic that they're going to put up on the screen.
Yeah, right? I could see. Yeah, and we had a guy on named Hockey Illuminati on Chiclets who's a diehard Leafs fan.
Hasn't missed a game in years. And he was listing us off like different stats.
And unfortunately, it was a while ago. I don't remember, but they are very good too.
So like, I don't know. Like, I actually feel like this could be the year.
They're not probably not going to have to play a Florida team in the first round. Whereas if it sticks out where they win the division, they get Ottawa, which is actually better for hockey as a whole because then you get the Battle of Ontario and you get the Battle of Florida with Tampa and the Panthers who played this incredible series, I think, three years ago.
And for Toronto, it's like, all right, well, Ottawa hasn't been in the playoffs for, I don't know, 10 years, 9 years. So we should be able to get by them.
Then they get to play the Florida team that was beat up by the other Florida team who lost. So it's kind of all setting up.
And hockey would be very, very well off to have the Leafs go on a run. The hockey-related revenue would be through the roof.
And the East, I think, now PFT may be mad. I think there's two, maybe three teams that could win the Cup.
I don't know if I consider Washington one of them for some reason. Can I ask a question about that? Why? Washington.
Yeah, they're the best team because I was looking at the odds because I want, by the end of this episode, I want you to give me a pick that I can ride. But, like, they have the most points and they're, I don't know, like third or fourth in the East in odds.
Why? They've scored the most goals, too. Why? I'll just say goaltending.
They got some goaltending questions. They got two goalies, and they thought they knew which direction they were going to go earlier in the season.
And neither one has. They get on hot streaks sometimes, but neither one has done anything to separate themselves and be like, that's our guy.
And then when you're going into the playoffs, if you have a 1A and a 1B, do you have a number one? It's kind of like, I don't know, the league's changed

where you now have goalies really split time and play, I don't know,

45 and 38 games, whatever it may be.

But once you get in the playoffs, it seems like every year

the winning team has a go-to guy in net.

Now, I think that to me is the other thing.

Also, it's been like this magical run of the goal chase and it's been such a cool storyline but like when you get down to matchups then you're playing a team four out of seven like i don't know like i i think dylan strome's an awesome player and like but if he's going up against like barkov or matthews it's like some of these other centermen it's like i don't know can he can Can he hold up his end of the bargain? He could, no doubt, but it's more just looking at the whole team. But it's been a wild ride.
They also have kind of struggled lately. Now, Grant, I think they've been on like a bender every time Ovi scores.
It's like, we tied it up. We got to go out.
We broke the record. Got to go out.
And yeah, I don't know. I think that they're going to get Montreal in the first round.
That's like this crazy storyline nobody saw coming. The last time they played in the playoffs was when Washington won the President's Trophy, lost in the first round to them, to kind of a shocking upset.
Kind of similar there. Now, if Washington were to get to the conference finals, I don't think anyone would be surprised.
But it's more like not everyone's just picking it to happen. Right.
Yeah. Based on the record.
How do you feel? Are you super confident? I think that we can go on a run for sure. I disagree with you.
I think that Dylan Strome can play with anybody. I love watching him play.
He's a great player. He's a great player.
He's good at setting his teammates up, always where he needs to be. I think Tom Wilson is playing one of the best seasons of his career.
And Ovi is certainly at the top of his game right now. The difference between this team and the team that you were talking about that lost to Montreal back in whatever year that was.
2010, I think. Yeah, so they had a hot goalie, very hot goalie in Montreal.
Yeah, Halak. I fucking hate that guy.
Our offense was a shitload of Mike Green firing in long-distance, low-percentage shots. And so he was getting a bunch of saves.
We would outshoot them by like 20 shots a game. But they weren't like grade A.
But they weren't grade A shots. And this team has more of a cohesive offense, I think, than that team did at times.
We play prettier hockey at times than that team did. So we interviewed Dylan Strom recently and kind of asked him him like what did carberry say before this year because they made a lot of moves in the offseason right they brought in like jacob chikrin they they they ended up bringing in guys this protoss guy is unbelievable he's a belarusian monster the capitals also drafted his brother who's another like i'm talking six six monsters i guess carberry told them like my biggest thing is we need to score more.
Last year they were really strong. It's a good strategy.
One of the best coaches in the league. Great move.
Say we gotta score goals. They led the league in goals.
And even Dylan Strom was like, I don't think anyone saw this coming, but obviously like Protoss and Ovi and yeah, Strom and I don't know. I think that the, when I say like why I don't think they're going to win it, if you're a Caps fan, it's like, this guy's an idiot.
He hasn't given really one reason. It's kind of just like a gut feeling.
I think last year they were so bad. And I know it's a different team.
I'm like, how would be this team be that good the next year? But so far I've looked like an idiot. I mean, I don't think one guy on Chicklets picked him to make the playoffs.
Wow. That's crazy.
Listen, I don't have the same confidence that I had back in even 2017 or 2018 when they made the playoffs. But I do think that there's something very cool about this team and they've been a joy to watch the entire season.
From the first game. They've been pretty consistent and I thought that there might be a little bit of letdown after Ovi got the record because this season has been so much about getting the record, as it probably should be.
It's a crazy, crazy achievement. And part of me was that maybe when that happens, it's like, oh, the balloon kind of burst, but then playoffs come.
I like the fact that we're playing against the Hurricanes tonight that we got in that line brawl with at the end of the last game because that's going to be a physical game. I think that's enough to shock you out of any sort of goal record hangover that you might have.
I was going to say I almost wish this was tomorrow morning because by the sounds of it, there's going to be fireworks tonight. And that's where Washington, at least against a team like Carolina, they don't really have anyone the way Washington has a Tom Wilson.
When they played last week, turned into turned into a really dirty game Ajo slash Tom Wilson and then Tom Wilson's skating around and he's saying who's gonna protect you you could read who's gonna protect you like basically like I'll kill anyone right and now they're playing again quickly and even in that game Carberry was over kind of whispering in Tom Wilson's ear and Biz and I were saying like what do you think he's saying to him like please kind of like calm down calm down it was more like he might take a 25 game suspension right now yeah i can't lose yeah yeah so they yeah that that is uh last night as you're listening on friday and i think we're gonna see some fireworks and i think tom wilson will be one of those like looking at the bench like who's gonna do anything right you have nobody here that i won't pump right and and this this is also coming from Jalen Chatfield. Did you see that move? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He flipped him? Yeah, he kind of like figure four leg lock, like slew footed him. Yeah.
No helmet on. Pretty dangerous.
It sounds like maybe a little exaggeration, but he could have died. If that guy lands on his head, dude, that's not what you do in do in a fight right isn't it hockey like you're not supposed to like you can obviously punch but you're not supposed to like intentionally try to like like bring someone to the ground in a move like no i think you actually can like i think if you're squared off and you grab each other's shoulders and you want to slam them down which ironically is what tom wilson did to panarin that was different he was wearing he jumped like a backpack.
But like whipping him around like that. It was more about getting your leg behind his leg.
And then, you know, if you take a guy and slam him down, it's like, buddy, I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm meaner than you. But to use your leg, it was just, I don't know.
And now Rod Brindamore, he called me a moron. It was not directly, he said media, you're all morons.

I'm a media guy now.

Yeah, you are. And I was the one that was saying, like,

I think he should have got, like, a three or four-game suspension,

but they didn't suspend him.

So now it's kind of like, what's to stop the next guy

from figure four leg sweeping a guy?

Right, right.

All right, so the Leafs.

Leafs are a storyline.

Three teams.

Three teams in the East.

Okay.

I give you these three teams. One of these three teams has to make it to the cup otherwise you lose all your credibility okay holy shit yeah that was big there's a lot of credibility and this is me this means something because we always we have a lot of credibility on this florida tampa toronto i'm taking all three atlantics okay i think that the only thing that'll stop that is whoever of those three makes the conference finals might just be beat to shit.

Out of gas.

Right?

And I think Carolina has a pretty nice route based on the fact that Jersey doesn't have a lot of their players healthy.

Jack Hughes being the biggest one.

Wait, wait.

The Devils are in the playoffs?

Devils are in.

If you follow Frank the Tank on Twitter, you would never imagine the Devils were in the playoffs. I thought the team folded.
No, legit. I think he was talking like they were winning the draft lottery.
They're in the playoffs. Oh, that's so funny.
And, you know, but without Jack Hughes, it's like, oh, and Carolina kind of comes hard. The last time they played after New Jersey beat the Rangers in seven, two years ago, when Avery didn't jump in the the, the hurricanes like just whooped on him.
Now it's two years later, but no Jack Hughes. So the problem would be of the three Atlantic teams to get to the conference final, they could face a team that hasn't dealt with like two rounds of just kicking the shit out of each other on the other end.
All right. So what about the West? Is there one team that's better than everyone? Real quick, I wanted to just throw this stat at you.
I know that the Panthers are a great team, Stanley Cup champions. Do you know offhand the Caps record against the Panthers this year and the total goals? No, but based on you bringing it up, I'm going to guess that the Caps are 3 or 4-0.
They're 3-0 against the Panthers and the total cumulative score is 16-7. This is why Caps fans really, really hate me.
4-1-6-3-6-3. And I think I've been tweeted like, buddy, you don't know what you're talking about.
We've crushed the Panthers all year. And I have nothing to say.
It's more just like, it's kind of an eye test for me. And what's funny is you bring up the West.
the same exact thing can be said for winnipeg winnipeg and washington this year i think both both teams the expectations weren't that crazy high going into the year they're the number one and two team and i'm still like same thing with washington like i don't really buy winnipeg now based on last year they played colorado in the first round was a shit kicking. Like, Hellebuck was not Hellebuck, and Colorado's offense was just humming, and Winnipeg looked horrible.
And now, you know, they're not going to have to face Colorado in the first round because they're going to win the division and maybe get, like, a wounded Minnesota team. But still, I'm like, the next round, that means they have Dallas or Colorado.
Right. I actually like Colorado the best.
Because Colorado won the Stanley Cup, what, two years ago? No, three years ago. They won it three.
Three years ago. It went Colorado, then Vegas, then Florida.
But that team is still the team that there's a lot of the same guys from the Stanley Cup year. Well year well that yeah mainly mccarr and mckinnon and and they have this crazy emotional storyline coming through of gabriel landescock and do you remember like him and his captain of the avalanche his last nhl game was the game they won the cup in uh i think they won in five that year or maybe six against the lightning yep and lightning they were going for the third straight they had nothing left in the tank and landeskog raised the cup and then it came out after he had played the entire playoffs on just a crippled knee like his knee was a mess he had been cut by a skate um that that that you know they fixed that and then it they realized that it wasn't just a cut something else had happened realized he didn't have cartilage where there needed to be cartilage.
So he hasn't played hockey coming up on three years. Wow.
And he's now back. He's going down to the AHL as of yesterday.
Wow. So that way he can go play three games in the AHL, not have to be put on the cap for the avalanche, which would cause them issues trying to get him back in the lineup.
So no, we'll go send him to the minors for three games. And then when the cap's canceled and there's no cap starting game, one of the playoffs, he's back.
Yep. Their captain's back.
Three-year storyline. People get so mad when this happens, but it's so funny.
Every year it happens where a guy will get injured. I know.
And they can use him later in the year and it doesn't come to the cap. And it's such an advantage.
It's such an infuriating thing for other fan bases. And for myself, last year, Vegas got hurtled and Mark Stone was put on LTIR again.
And I'm like, it was like the Breaking Bad. Like, he can't keep getting away with this.
And now it's different with Landeskog to me because, like, I don't know. I just have so much respect for him.
We interviewed him recently. He had a documentary he made about comeback.
He talks a lot about how many nights he's like, I'm done. Like the thought of like, this is over.
And that he's able to come back healthy enough and give it a chance. So hopefully everything's okay in the minors in the three games he's playing.
And then we get to see, you know, for them, they get their captain back. While also having made, I think like five or six huge deals.
They switched up their entire lineup throughout the year they they brought in two new goalies which is like you never see that and then they traded for charlie coyle uh from boston they traded for brock nelson from the islanders they made all these deals where like their team's awesome they they they traded ronton in this huge deal to carolina got jack drury martin natius who's been with McKinnon. So Colorado, to me, is they're the best team in the West.
Okay, so that might be my future. And if they play Dallas, which I think they will in the first round, one of those kind of unfair, like either team could win the cup and somebody's losing first round.
That happened last year with the Knights and the Stars, right? Exactly. Like those two teams were.
So, Bettman's been very open with loving this system of having the three division winners, two and three play each other in both, and then one from each division plays the two wild cards. I get it builds these rivalries, but it also every year knocks out a true cup contender in the first round.
Yeah, that seems kind of bullshit. I don't know.
Now, most of the time, if you look at, if you did one through eight old school way, I think it always kind of ends up being the same anyway. So the argument, it's kind of a moot point.
But I don't know. It just sucks for a Dallas Stars fan or an Avs fan that one of them's going home.
And the reason I'm really kind of hell-bent on Colorado being able to get by them is one of the best defensemen in the league is a Finnish guy Miro Heskinen for Dallas he's out okay and I don't think he's coming back for the first round and without him I think it's going to be tough for them to beat him okay I might be an abs guy what do we think about uh about Bettman where are we at with me because I feel like on this show we've got a pretty good narrative going around Adam Silver we got a good one going around Manfred in baseball yep and we know a about Roger Goodell. All I know is that hockey fans tend to not like him, but I don't know why.
I want to hate him because I want to hate every commissioner because it's easy to be like, that guy fucking sucks. Yeah, he stinks.
Why should I hate him? I have no reason why you could hate him. Do you have his phone number? I do not have his phone number.
Does Biz have his phone number? Yes. Biz has texted him.

Biz has shown me messages where – Because every hockey guy, I see him, they're like, that guy's a clown.

No, but I – yeah, everyone says that,

and everyone boos him when his name's announced,

and I don't think 90% of the people booing would have a reason why they're booing him.

It's just fun to boo him.

It's just like, oh, we're booing Gary Bettman.

Okay.

But what the game's done – I mean, I don't know. I think he's coming up 25 years roughly if you could look that up maybe hank or max i don't want to make you mad hanks max this isn't a prank but just see how long he's been the commissioner and the league's been been pretty outstanding yeah all that time i feel like hockey's in a great place right now he's grown the game enough i.
I mean, not just him, but he's obviously done a good job. How long? 93.
Holy shit. Wait, that's 30 years? Crazy.
31 years. Crazy.
And I think he's already starting to make it clear he's kind of figuring out an exit path. But I don't know.
I guess one complaint would be he was kind of at the helm. Now, granted, because of the owners of getting rid of best on best.
It had been since 2014 until we got our exhibition All-Star game this year. But now he's back, and he's brought it back, where we're getting something every two years with the Olympic World Cup.
I don't really know why Bettman gets booed off that often. It's probably residual from the lockout in what it was, 06.
Remember when the NHL was on like OAN? OLN. The Outdoor Life Network.
That was my rookie year. That was so rude.
Nobody could watch it. You couldn't watch hockey.
You had Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin as rookies and you're looking for the Outdoor Life Network. Yeah, wasn't it the Stanley Cup Finals were on Spike TV? Yeah, it was.
John Taffer leading into the Stanley Cup Finals. shut it down no i think that uh it you're right that's what it is it's been there was a a half shortened season that was at the end of my career i think that was my second to last year and then my first year pro i was in the minors all year which i might have been anyway because the whole season was canceled so that's probably the issue but like any any commissioner it, hate the owners.
They're literally doing exactly what the owners tell them to do. Yeah, right.
They're there to take the bullets. That's our whole thing with Goodell.
As much as you can blame Goodell for a lot of stuff, and he is an asshole, he's just doing what Jerry Jones wants. And they're paid handsomely.
Yeah, $40 million for him. It's like, okay, I'll take that job in a heartbeat.
In a second. Yeah, what else? Yeah, Bettman, I don't know.
I mean, the game, hockey is in such a great place right now. It really is.
That's why I hope the playoffs is kind of legendary. And it's also one of the reasons he likes the playoff format.
Even though you might lose two cup contenders in the first round, the first round is so watched and anticipated that you know you're going to get some incredible storylines.

And he almost looks at it like at least with our podcast last year, we were doing we were doing we do twice a week in the playoffs and we're doing live shows for at least one of the days a week.

And we noticed as the playoffs went on and you get to conference finals, which is end of May and cup finals in June, viewership was kind of dropping because I think as the weather changes, like unless your team's going, I think a lot of people are kind of like, dude, hockey started 10 months ago. Yeah.
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April 11th, get tickets now. The other thing with hockey, and I know that NBA still has higher ratings, but the NBA first round versus hockey first round is such an opposite.
Like hockey first round, you can always have those upsets all the series feel competitive nba it's just like all right let's get to the second round

right let's just get let's get on with two sweeps and a couple and five right where hockey it's like

you know i think that the the record might be seven of eight went to game seven i'm i might

have been six but this year i wouldn't be surprised at all to see four or five game sevens which is

the best thing in the world the first round you just get all these eyeballs on the sport so betman's done a good job i mean the league's better than than it was when he came in yeah i got a question for you i heard you say this uh you've never had ovion do you ever think you could get oh we were talking about this the other day like we have no in whatsoever not one guy that you played with well like oh she i'm very friendly with and like maybe i could be like hey can you ask him but i don't even want to ask oh she didn't ask him that's um biz and i have kind of like a not a theory but a hope that a lot of these guys when they retire like brad marchand for example he's like i'd love to come on when i retire right um drew dowdy i to come on when I retire. Now, most of these guys say I'll do a sandbagger right now, but for a long-term sit-down interview, I'll do it when I retire.
Maybe we get Ovi. Now, there's a chance Ovi's back in Russia.
Like I think he's mentioned before he'd like to play one last year in the KHL. He's only ever played for Dynamo Moscow in the Washington Capitals.
And it would be pretty sick for Russia if he went back and just did a fun year in playing for them. But if he does that, he's probably gone.
He's never coming back. He's never coming back.
You know, his wife's Russian, and he's a god there. Yeah.
I mean, I have tried to get Ovi on part of my take before. And I've been in touch with the Caps PR before.
When you were running by him? Yeah, when I was running by him by that was maybe one of the coolest moments of my life i saw that clip because you recognized his wife yeah yeah so i was i was out for a jog this was like probably 10 years ago i was out for a jog in my my parents old neighborhood i was running around this big lake that they had uh and so i get to the other side of it and i knew that's where obi's house was but i'm out for this jog and then i see this dude in a hoodie on like a bmx bike like a dirt bike just he's a monster just riding up up this hill right past me coming straight towards me on the road i jogged past him and i was like okay that guy's like a machine on this bike but i didn't think it was ov i had no idea then i see his wife i'm like oh shit that's ov's wife look back at ov he just gets to the top walks his down the hill, bikes it up again. He was doing rehab for his MCL.
He had a torn MCL and his whole thing was, I just go ride bike. And I'm guessing his trainers were like, hey, I know we got the STEM machine.
And he's like, no, no, Russia. We ride bike uphill.
Ride bike uphill, walk bike down, ride bike uphill. And yeah, he did that.
I was probably out for about 35 minutes and he did that the entire time i just stopped and watched then how what was your approach to ask him for part of my take oh that wasn't i wasn't doing part of my take at the time oh oh no no i was just a fan but i've reached out to their their pr people for the caps before trying to set up other guys on on the uh team for an interview and i ask about ovi and they're always just like

ha yeah yeah that's yeah like oh like you're really like they don't even like there's no way yeah i do think that the language barrier is a real thing with over he speaks english but it's you know i don't know if he could do a full interview yeah he might not want to sit here and then just be doing the translations in his head and then like you should be fucking with him too so then he's got to deal with that. He wouldn't know you're fucking with him.

You know, it's like, that's a guy though that would just be so incredible to sit down and talk to.

Like the fact that he broke that record,

I sat on Spitting Chicklets

and I was like, you guys are going to make fun of me.

But like, I was like emotional watching it.

I was sitting there with two of my boys

and my wife was there

and she doesn't care or know about hockey.

But for a month, I'd been kind of like telling the boys,

like he scored again, like eight left, eight left.

I don't know. with my my two of my boys and my wife was there and she doesn't care or know about hockey but for a month i've been kind of like telling the boys like he scored again like eight left eight left and then and then it was perfect because my son had two hockey games that sunday but it was it was a 12 30 start it was right in the middle of the games i was like great and i'm sitting there and i'm watching and like the way gretzky spoke and had the gordy howl pin and i was just like misty-eyed i'm like i can't believe i get to i said i can't believe i get to play against this guy like my whole life like hockey's all i cared about and like wayne gretzky's record nobody will ever beat it and then like i played against this guy who just broke this record that nobody thought would would be ever touched it's just like crazy to me even now like thinking about it like that like that record was untouchable right there's those moments in sports where you're like i'm lucky enough to see this and i'll never and there'll never probably be someone who breaks his record so it's like i saw that so that that was what i kind of said on chicklets when i was telling the guys like i was sitting there just like you know emotional about it in a way and then i had responses on twitter that's like well nobody fucking said that gretzies to be broken i'm like that's kind of a valid point like maybe but there was a stat um i saw on twitter that you know if there's a if there's a 12 year old phenom out there right now and like he's going to be in the nhl in six years he needs to average 45 a year for 20 years right a lot of things have to go right yeah for.
For it to even be close. Right.
Which is why Ovi... Now, my dad doesn't like Ovi.
Like, I don't really know why. He cheats defensively.
Like, you know how dad just picks guys they hate? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I'm like, Dad, he plays so physical. Like, yeah, he occasionally cheats offensively, and if you score that much it's like coaches like we got to deal with it he's been running guys for 20 years right yeah you know like it's one thing if he was perimeter and never hit it's like i don't know how he wasn't injured and i love that he like it's not like a tom brady or like a lebron where they're they're saying you know there's an article every summer.
It's like they put $10 million into their body in the train. No, he looks horrible.
He's just fucking gassing beers like two minutes after. Have you seen there's a clip years ago? He's playing like beach volleyball.
That and he's playing in a Russian like soccer league. Yeah.
And he just looks like a tank out there. Did you see the, I'm sure PFT, you saw the april 6th the day he broke it like all the other april like it's just wild yeah just crazy stuff very cool the way it all came down and and then i kind of want him to get the hat trick at home but then it was almost better that like he was in this away building in long island it was half caps fans and the tickets were going for a thousand bucks nobody would pay to watch the islanders and he does does it there.
Just the coolest story of the season and we've had a bunch of them. Now the Islanders are charging I think 50 bucks to print out the physical ticket from that game if you went to that game.
Isn't that wild? What do you mean? About like 20 years ago? You have to pay them 50 extra dollars to print out a ticket because everyone had it on their phone. Like the ticket stuff that you can like frame., because you can't get an actual ticket anywhere.
I actually missed that. I would frame my phone's digital picture before I paid the island for 50 bucks to get a pair of tickets sent to me.
I was there. Oh, my God.
Do we want to talk about what happened with the Bruins this year? Yeah, I don't mind. I'm not a Bruins fan, and Don Sweeney had kind of come at us.
I think we had talked about it when Biz and I were in here recently. Nobody saw this coming.
I mean, I didn't expect him to be that good. Actually, the coolest story of the Bruins season is Pasternak.
He has 100 points. The next guy has 55 points.
That's crazy. It's actually one of the – he should be probably top five in MVP for what he's done because he has nobody.
And, yeah, it all ended so quick. And, you know, they kind of lowballed Brad Marchand, which I get.
And, you know, Boston people are like, well, that's what Belichick did, depreciating assets. It's like, well, the Patriots were winning every year.
The Bruins won one cup since 1972. Right.
It's kind of like – I understand. And their ticket prices keep rising.
And now, for the Bruins fans, it's kind of like i understand and their ticket prices keep rising and now for the bruins fans it's kind of an ugly ugly future like they don't in the trades they made with coil and they traded trent frederick they got a really high scoring kid that's in the ushl now and could end up being a pretty good nhler but other than that like it's not like chicago they got some big. Yeah, the defense is looking good.
San Jose. They got some studs where Boston's like.
And they're going to be top of the draft. And they get another one.
Yeah, right. Now, Boston, they actually somehow, it worked out in their favor where when they traded Marshawn and Coyle and Frederick and all these guys, they truly tanked the correct way where I think that right now they'd get the fourth overall pick.
Oh, wow. So that's actually like probably what they need.
It just, it's probably going to be three years of them picking pretty high. And Bruins fans are not used to that.
I mean, as much as I chirped them for getting the one cup since 72, it's, they've been to like two other finals and every year since about 2008, they were, they were a contender. So they had a good run.
Is there a guy in this draft or the next couple of drafts that everyone's got pegged as the next? Next draft. Next draft is who? This draft upcoming.
It seems there's a defenseman, this kid, Matthew Schaefer, very highly rated. He's been injured all year, but apparently just a complete stud.
There's a kid, James Haggins, that played at Boston College this year. But it's one of those prospects coming up the year after that in every sport you hear about, like, wait till he's drafted.
It's a kid, Gavin McKenna. Good hockey name.
Great hockey name. Ironically, Conor Bedard's cousin.
Oh, okay. Not through blood.
I believe through marriage. Okay.
Which kind of matters to me a little bit because if it was through blood, I'd be like, what the fuck the fuck yeah these freaks yeah like what who are these parents but um he is what looks to be one of those mcdavid type prospects uh he had i think the record for for points in

the whl or maybe the chl uh draft plus one a year where he's two years away i think it had five

points a game in the first round of the playoffs like Like, you know, a true possibly game-breaking, you know, generational talent that now next year, whoever gets first overall will get. Wow.
Okay. What's his game like? Just a playmaking, like fast scoring center.
Just like it sounds like McDavid, which I kind of hate doing because Bedard got unfairly ranked that way, which his numbers are so incredible, but the expectations of Bedard were a little unfair. And maybe this is now happening to this kid, and you end up blaming people like me who are talking about 16-year-olds, like they're going to change the game.
But from everything I've heard, this kid's the real deal. And now what's interesting is you used to have to if you played in the chl in the ontario quebec or western league you couldn't go to college they changed the rule you can now play ncaa after you play junior it's really going to screw over american kids and i didn't think of that and had people reaching out when i was like this is a good thing it's going to make college hockey so good which it will but american are going to get shafted scholarship-wise because now you're getting the best Canadian kids.
And they can't go and play in the Canadian League. You can.
Oh, you can. You can, but.
A lot of them won't. Yeah.
I mean, well, now kids might because then you can go to college. And before you wouldn't go because you couldn't go to college.
But what happens is that now the best Canadian kids will play in those leagues at 17 and 18, and then they'll go to college. And then they'll get a payday to go to college.
Right. So a lot of American kids are probably going to lose scholarships to some great Canadian players that couldn't otherwise come years before.
So people are saying now, Gavin McKenna, like you can't go back to junior. You just made the biggest mockery of it.
Go to Michigan. Right.
Is that what he's doing? No. People are kind of saying it's a rumor, right? But that's a thing as a BU hockey fan, which they're in the Frozen Four this afternoon or this evening, we don't have a football program.
Every Big Ten school, your guys at Wisconsin, could turn really back into powerhouse because they're going to have huge dough. I heard a rumor that Michigan has $700,000 a year to give to hockey players.
I mean, Dave having Larry Ellison just fall into his lap and being paying for quarterbacks, and he was like, well, Larry Ellison isn't going to pay for basketball or hockey. And I was like, but Dave, if Larry Ellison is paying for football, there's just more money you could spread to other places.
And Larry Ellison, maybe he would be so specific with his money, like this is going to football but that means more money yeah he just might give him 10 million and then they decide so what they're going to do is they're going to change it so that that schools can pay directly to players so it's i've heard that where they become employees yeah they're going to get like 20 million dollars nil still will exist but my point to like to have a larry ellison he's going to still go get the number one football recruit and you don't have to dip into your 20 million and you can use 700 000 for hockey exactly yeah so it's almost like i don't understand it's it's it's i actually love the fact that college kids are getting paid because forever it's like they're bringing in so much money to the school i get it but my problem is the transfer portal and in all these sports, and now I'm more specific to hockey, but give them one transfer, no doubt. Freshman year, you don't love the situation.
But you can't be transferring every year. I think it's ridiculous.
I think being a coach of a college team now is harder than a pro because not only are you recruiting, you're also like, oh, I've got to figure out a way to keep guys. It's free agency every year.
It's free agency every year. And it's just kind of, I don't know, for hockey, at least me, it's like, and the other thing, at least hockey wise, like you find out who's on the portal list, like before the NCAA.
So then it's like, well, I don't want to play this kid. He's leaving.
Yeah. That's the same as basketball.
Basketball too. Yeah.
No, there was some coaches find out. Yeah.
A Penn State. The Penn State backup quarterback went into the portal before Penn State played in the college football playoff.
It was a kid who actually played in games like he had a package for him. Bo Perbula.
And then they didn't play him. I'm guessing.
No, he left. He just left the school.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
With them going to compete for it. It sucks.
It's stupid. It.
It's just, and I love how guys are getting paid, but it's kind of just too crazy for me. Maybe I sound like a boomer.
No, I get it. But also in that case with the quarterback at Penn State, it's the system.
So it was- Yeah, it's not his fault. The calendar was set up where he had to go in the portal right before the playoffs started because that's when teams make moves in the portal.
So he has to put his name in there, and then it fucks up his team. It's bad.
It's just bad all right. Why would they not make that list go public after the bowl? Because of the semesters and colleges.
Which is stupid. Which is so dumb.
The fact that they are like, oh, we can't enroll someone on January 25th as opposed to January 15th. Give me a fucking break.
What was the Cardell Jones quote? I'm not here to play school. The fact that I don't think he was kidding makes it even funnier.
He was dead serious. I didn't come here to play school.
Alright, I got one last question. That was me at BU.
How many classes did you go to? I actually I never was ineligible. But the problem was I left after my junior year, and then my wife now is like, oh, you just have a year left.
You got to go back and graduate. No, I'm through sophomore year.
Oh, my God. Oh, only sophomore year? Yeah.
Imagine the content. I know.
But it's hard. School's hard.
Yeah, I mean, you said that. It was like a year ago you wrote your first blog, and you said afterwards're like i got a headache it's hard or like studying like i don't know if i can do that but it would i i i feel bad i promised my parents when i left school they've said promise me you'll go back and graduate and my wife's brought it up and i'm like oh my god like i want to do it like deep down but i'm like i don't think i got it it would be incredible you got it yeah no you don't got it no i don't i don't got it so that was the other problem was that i was i was in um college of arts and sciences i was a sociology major like one of those like hey what's the easiest major but at bu in that school you had to pass spanish four oh that's hard yeah yeah and i i i fit i failed you could barely speak english i dropped spanish two three different times.
I'm like, how am I going to get through four? I couldn't even make it through two. Well, let's start with English one.
And also, yeah. Also, come on.
You're telling me to get a degree, you have to pass Spanish. That's doing nothing for you.
So dumb. Did you graduate on time? Yeah, I did.
But I did well in college. But I think about taking tests.
And there's no way my brain has that ability anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah, to sit there for two hours.
Like that kind of focus and reading, you lose it. You just don't even have it.
Max, did you graduate? I did. No way.
Graduated from Villanova. Great school.
Wow. Yeah, Max is a smart guy.
But I am talking to Hank back here about getting him back into school. You never want to do it together? Fuck no.
I'd have to go for like three and a half years. I thought he was going to be like, fuck yeah, my boy win! I know, me too! Someday you're going to have kids and then my kids I know are like, Dad dad did you ever graduate college like i gotta do it

you do too i don't think kids yeah kids don't 2013 but hold on no no yeah time out too there's

a little different like when hank has kids someday and they say dad you ever graduate college he's

like no that's one thing when your kids say dad you ever graduate college you say no i went to

the league that's pretty fucking cool no i know i know it's way cooler than i went to barstool you

I don't know. that's one thing when your kids say dad you ever graduate college you say no i went to the league that's pretty fucking cool no i know i know it's way cooler than i went to barstool you i went i went got duct taped to a wall in massachusetts i made up a lie that i know how to edit videos and i really rock through that school of hard knocks well it's actually it was boston university accredited school so we're kind of so let's go back together.
The other cool thing about BU is that, so I was given a full scholarship. That still to this day is honored.
Oh, so if you want to go back to school, it's free. So if I went back, it's free too, which makes it even more.
You gotta go. I know.
You could find a couple classes. Maybe play club hockey there.
I do not think I could make the team. So did you guys know about club hockey and what it's turned into? Feidelberg.
It's enormous. I'm talking Georgia just built a rank.
Penn State. It wasn't Penn State.
Penn State's in the Frozen Four, which we're taping right before. But they were a club hockey team, what, six years ago? No, I think they've been D1, I think, over 10 years.
Oh, okay. But it started that.
UNLV club team beat Denver this year. Most of these schools, like I'm talking Georgia, Tennessee, UNLV, they have three teams.
They have 120 kids come to tryouts, and then it's competitive. Now it's gone to the point where hockey players that are leaving high school, no matter what, unless you are one of these possibly NHLl future studs you have to play junior for two if not three years to play d3 hockey d3 you got to go play junior for two years really yeah crazy so now what it's turning into is like kids like i don't really want to go play in the north american league or the british columbia hockey league be a 21 year old freshman i'm gonna go play hockey.
And it's turned into something where, I mean, there are 5,000 people watching Georgia club hockey games. Do you think we will get – The students don't know.
Yeah. Do you think we'll get a club hockey to NHL guy at some point? Because that would be the – that's the story that we're going to put on the map.
That is the next step. Yeah.
What it would be is a club hockey kid takes the step to a varsity team yeah you know i mean it wouldn't be like a pro deal out of club hockey what about a guy that like gets kicked off of his varsity team has some issues he's like fuck it i'll just play club he was already a guy that they had their eyes on and then he goes to the league possibly possibly that that's a great yeah like because because you know if we're talking about ovie breaking records and his record being broken there there's going to be some club hockey player that plays in the NHL. Yeah, some kid who was decent in high school but then maybe got bigger or stronger or faster played club hockey, and everyone's like, holy shit, who is this kid? A guy I know at home.
His son was a good high school hockey player but didn't want to do the grind of junior hockey. And so he went out and they visited Oklahoma State.
And there was a 500-person line to get out into the arena three hours before the game. That's incredible.
And it's like, that is so sick. Because not only is it you get to enjoy college a little more, because it's not like that serious.
It's still serious. Right.
As dumb as that sounds. There's still people watching right it's right there's still people watching yeah you still have your teammates and and i think like i've talked to some club the the georgia club hockey team i ran into at my brother's bachelor party which was at a georgia game and they were like the girls think we're like fucking bu like they don't know like there's 4 000 people at the game like these guys are pro hockey players yeah that's like has there ever been an uh emergency backup goalie that got a contract no no because it's always like i mean that's an all-time leafs thing right there their backup goalie beat them yeah i mean they're they're i'm sorry their zamboni driver beat them yeah yeah for the hurricane oh my god but no the yeah the third string goalie thing is still a funny story because there's a lot of people who want it banned where you're allowed.
Why? I know. It's the coolest thing.
It's a story. Everything happens once a year maybe, and for that week you get to talk about it.
And it can only happen in hockey because you couldn't have it in the NBA where it's like, oh, yeah, we got a backup guy who's got to go in and run around with these guys. Yeah, right.
Hockey's because it's goalie is the only thing that you could possibly do it in. All right, I got one last question.
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Go tune in to Spitting Chicklets all throughout the playoffs. They do live streams as well.
We might have to get our boy oldie on one of the live streams i know maybe get him just giving you oldie dude he's he's my favorite guy and it was funny because when you came out with the video or whatever it was we need a canadian keith sent us right away to the chicklet chat he's like i have the perfect yeah human being for them yeah and then it how he described it. Do you know he texts me like maybe like once every like three days, just like a morning like pumping me up text.
And he's on a garbage truck. Yeah.
Yeah. Like yesterday when we started the mini golf, he's like, you got this.
Like you're a champion. I was like, no, I'm not.
I also love the fact, and I don't know Rick Nash super well, but friendly with him, and he's so quiet and calm, and they're best friends. I'm like, dude, how are you two best friends? He was FaceTiming with Nash when he did the first stream with us, like in between periods, and he was like, say hi to Nash.
And so I started talking to him, and Nash said that he had more texts that night than the night that he won the gold medal. He was like, this is fucking crazy.
Everyone knows Oldie. Yann said, what did he say? Oh, he doesn't.
Yann doesn't have Twitter. And I'm like, dude, Oldie gets numbers.
Yeah. What do you mean? I'm like, dude, he has like over a thousand likes.
Yeah. He goes, he's electric.
Yeah, I know. We're signing him.
Are you? Yeah. I love it.
I mean, he's not's not gonna move here but he's gonna get paid to to do stuff and then come here every now and then because like i don't want him to just do it for free so it's like yeah we're signing him and he's the exact same way when he's not here like when he's texting us he's the same dude there's no act there's no act at all he's just high energy have you did you know about his pouch before he came on with us no No. I think I sent you the whole house.
You saw the pouch though, right? Yes. I only knew about Keith meeting him when he was dancing in front of the Rangers when his son was due or his daughter was due that day.
He's got to go. Hey, got to go.
Got to go. What were you going to say, Max? So he stayed up for Hank and I's Barstool After Dark the other night.
Yes. 4 a.m.
we finished. And then he tweeted something three hours later from the job site.
He's just built on energy. What an animal.
He was paying to have his super chats read aloud. Yeah.
To hype up me and Hank when we were just like, Oldie, you can just text. We have your number.
Yeah. You don't have to pay for this.
And Oldie, you're on the truck in two hours. Go to bed.
No. He's built different.
Yeah, he's kind of just like natural cocaine. Was he boozing at the game, at the stream of the Four Nations? No.
That's just his blood. No, he also said he's like, I've never tried cocaine.
I know that I'd run through walls if I did it. And I was like, yeah, you're probably right, Oldie.
That's smart. Or he'd just fall asleep.
Yeah, he's a reverse. Man.
All right, my last question, though, is Masters. Do you have one or two golfers that you root for, like, that are your guys? Yeah, I root for Ludwig.
Okay. Ever since he's come on the scene, he's just kind of, like, I don't know, like, perfect golf swing, and I like him a lot.
And then I've been so back and forth with Rory, which I feel like a lot of golf fans have been based on like he's made comments that are like just kind of a clown comment but then he comes out like changes his tune it's all live related but as much as i sometimes say like oh fuck rory if he had a one-shot lead on the 18th tee like i know i'd be you'd be rooting for him even if he was playing with ludwig like for some reason and i think part of it is like the history thing with obi like i think five guys have won the grand slam in golf like i'd like to be able to say i watched that yeah and and yeah i don't know i think rory just he's hot right now he's he's three under through nine nice and he just i don't know it's like crazy so do you know that when tiger won the u.s open on the broken leg and then he didn't win another major after his life fell apart till the masters in 19 rory is at the same length of time between a major no way that's crazy that's crazy tiger layoff felt a lot longer and rory has been healthy the whole time and his wife didn't catch him cheating and beat him with a nine iron like right it's almost like there was like excuses with tiger yeah and it's so to see if rory could like do it again it'd be a pretty amazing just sports story but it's also really funny when he loses yeah because i know and he's like but if he blows it you're like this guy can't do it anymore i i think i would if he were if he were like on the 18th like about to to put it in to win i'd be like that's pretty cool but if there was any chance that he could blow it, I think I'd still be rooting. You root against him, but then when he does it, it's like what a tremendous story.
If he had a five-footer Sunday to win it, and if he misses it, he loses it. I think I'd root for it too long.
Which I guess doesn't make sense because if he made it... If he had a five-footer to win or he goes to a playoff...
You're rooting for the playoff. I would be rooting for the playoff.
So you don't like him. Yeah, I guess I don't.
You don't like him. I don't have any reason not to like him.
It's more just his reaction, like the driving off and stuff. See, I don't hate the driving off.
I don't have any problem with it. It's that I want more of it.
I want him to lose so I get to keep seeing it. Is that fucked up? That's so fucked up.
The best part was the golf writers that were like, he sped off. Oh, loser he spun out like they get upset about like we're not upset about we think that it's it's funny it's funny the golf writers are getting upset about it so we want more content like that we had his back in that whole situation but i i would love to just keep replaying it yeah we're just keep speeding off i know and then for some reason like i've actually chirped bryson de chambeau before on chiclets but like he's now i find myself i know rooting for him too he i mean youtube just like changed his whole like i think that it's it's been said at least like he legit hired a pr yeah absolutely which is so to me like you know like to to be such a dickhead that you have to like someone and be like, make me not a dickhead.
How weird is that? Make people like me. How much am I a weirdo? How can I get people to like me? To his make me not a dickhead people? Then you know, oh, they like me now, but I didn't know what to do to make them like me.
I had to pay somebody. Yeah, you got to keep paying them in case because if you get rid of them, then what happens if you slip up and you're a dick again? It's like the rich kid at school, paying kids to hang out with them.
Friends with them, yeah. I do have one last hockey question for you.
You don't have an MVP vote, right? Last year, I had a vote. Do you have one this year? He has not asked me again.
But he didn't ask me last year until like two days before the regular season ended. So I might.
Who should the MVP should have been for this year? I'm an Oilers guy. And Leon Dreisaitl has just, to me, been the best player in the league.
The most valuable player to the Oilers. McDavid's had this great year still, but not McDavid.
And then he's leading the league in goals by a lot. You know, they recently had an enormous game against Calgary.
McDavid's out. He'd been been out injured he comes back two goals and an assist including the game time game winning goal it's like he's just to me the the best player but recently kucherov is now i grew i voted for kucherov last year instead of mckinnon mckinnon won um because kucherov last year became the fourth winger i think ever to have 100 assists the fourth player ever player ever to have 100 assists.
And then McDavid did it like a week later. Yeah.
But I was like, Kucherov's just so dominating. And now it's like you really can argue for McKinnon, Kucherov, and Dreisaitl.
There's a right answer there on all of them. But mom, Leon.
My vote would be McDavid. I'm just a big McDavid fan.
I guess you're not as big. He's in the league.
He's the MVP. Dude, he's always tortured.
I've been told he's the best hockey player in the history of the game. Of all time.
But he's not even the MVP for this year? On his team? That's crazy. I was at game seven.
Wait, that's crazy. I was at game seven.
Who won? The Panthers. Oh.
And I was sitting there and all I was thinking about was you two. I literally, as the fucking national anthem was playing, I was like, those assholes.
I'm going to have a tweet. I'm going to have a video.
And I already knew he had the Conn Smythe wrapped up. And I was like, they have nothing on me.
Yeah. And we just went through this whole episode and you said nothing till the very end.
You know what's fucked up, though? You guys are the biggest losers. It's kind of like the Rory thing.
I love watching Connor McDavid play hockey. But because of you, I have to be like, he's a choker.
What an asshole. You could be watching history, and instead you're like, catch a rut, fall over.
You get stuck. This happens with friends.
You get stuck in an argument, and you're just like, I got my side, you got yours. You forced me, based on how you've handled this McDavid situationavid situation to hope that the bears i didn't care about the bears and now i hate them that's true friendship and now it's like you fucking asshole i can't even say conor mcdavid mcdavid is so i don't think he's good he's his second most valuable player on his own team yeah and he's he's, you know, he's almost won a cup.

Gretzky didn't win the MVP every year. Yeah, I would have voted for him every year.
Gretzky won a cup, right? Gretzky won four. Oh, but McDavid doesn't have one yet.
He won the exhibition. I don't know if they can get it done this year either.
It doesn't look like this is the year. All right, so Stanley Cup Finals prediction.
Teams and winner. Colorado, Toronto, Colorado beats them.
That's some sick stuff. Be an awesome series.
Yeah. And that's if only I'm saying that is if Florida and Tampa play in the first round.
Because I don't think Toronto can beat one of those teams unless they kick the shit out of each other first. That's interesting.
I have a bunch of side notes here. Got it.
Because I just looked up Leafs versus Caps this year. Leafs won one game, lost two against the Caps this year.
I know. I think that's interesting.
You know what? When the Caps win it all, you can just call me and be like, follow me on Twitter, bitch. I just see Ryan Whitney has re-followed me on Twitter.
There we go. And you are now blocked.
I never, ever purposely unfollowed. I know.
Florida, Toronto. Classic north-south battle.
Yeah, Civil War. Yeah, love it.
Oh, no. Colorado, Florida, Toronto.
Sorry, Toronto and Colorado. Two Southern teams with this.

All right.

Thanks, Whit.

Thanks, guys.

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All right, let's wrap up with some FireFest of the week. Hank, FireFest of the week.
Nothing crazy this week. No real FireFest.
The Masters is on playing golf this weekend. My only real like FireFest in quotes would just be the, we had mini golf tournament here this week and just, you know, getting screamed at by everybody hates you.
Everybody hating me. My boss, you know, telling me to suck my co-workers cock like that's kind of fun.
I don't do that. I did not.
That's good leadership. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you are the whether you want to be or not. You are always at the center of this because you are the you're in charge of mini golf.'s kind of like your thing mini golf you looked like you were in a bad bad way yesterday though and actually i didn't wait wait a second did you did you say that kirk manhand was your boss no dave dave told hank to suck kirk's got it okay got it yeah uh yeah you you predicted it i mean it was a match between me kirk uh whitney and dave Dave.
And I was like, how are you feeling about mini golf? And you just said point blank, I'm dreading your match because you four are the worst. And I was like, I don't really disagree.
So, yeah, and then it happened. But you handled it well.
Yeah, I thought it all worked out. I mean, Dave hit the worst putt of all time.
But that's what I'm saying. I think some people, kind of similar to the max and me thing and in this show the show's probably prepared me for being in non-stop arguments all the time but yeah it seems like it's contentious but it's not it doesn't feel that contentious no it's just guys yelling at each other in the moment though you but i was like yelling in dave's face at one point yeah i didn't i didn't really there's a lot of like uh i'm gonna to walk off.
I quit. And it never happens.
We just keep playing.

Yeah.

I felt bad for you in the moment because you looked like you were going through it. Well, it's like everyone wants me to pull out a magical rule book that doesn't exist.
Right. And half the people are going to hate you.
Actually, everyone's going to hate you no matter what. Yeah.
It's all right. It is also whenever we do any.
Well, we'll see. We haven't done the final.
Yeah. Yeah.
This might be speaking way too soon. Whenever we do any barstool competition of any kind, you could spend a year, let's say, a year, going through all the plans, the preparations, the rules, everything.
Within one hour, one of us will find a loophole and be like, this is bullshit. It's just, it's impossible.
You could have Gene Steratore creating airtight rules, and we'll find a scenario where there isn't actually a definition for the rule, and now we can figure out a way to try to, you know, capitalize. Nothing in the rule books.
The dog can't play basketball. Yeah.
It's mini golf, but then people will be like, well, USGA. Yeah, right.
Well, it's mini golf. Right.
Right. But it's fun.
Fun week. It has been fun.
It's been great, great content. Great vibes.
Yeah. PFT.
I was at the gym this morning. This happened like two hours ago, two and a half hours ago.
And after the gym, I'm going to come into work. So what do you do after you work out? You sweat for a little bit.
You go into the locker room and you take a shower. Right.
I'm just making sure I'm not crazy. Yeah.
No, that's. That's absolutely what you do.
That's what you do you do not always but most times we'll get joey swole in the case ask him but i'm pretty sure you're supposed to shower before you put your clothes on and go back to work for sure right so i uh i go in the locker room i've got my towel i'm at my locker there's uh two other people in the locker room one guy is about i'd say 25 30 feet away to for me to right. The other guy is behind me, maybe like, I don't know, six or seven feet behind me.
He's got headphones on. The other guy doesn't.
So I come in, take my clothes off. And when I take my clothes off and change in the gym, I'm locked in straight ahead.
I'm not a guy that wanders. I don't put my leg up on anything.
Clothes off, towel on. Question.
Yep are when you close off are you doing like the towel on and then taking off your boxers are you nude at any point yeah you take your boxes off and then you put the towel right i didn't know some people you can you can wrap the towel around and then you just slip off your boxers but yeah no there's a moment where you're nude where it's like you're facing your locker yeah maybe a little your ass is showing then you put the towel on then you go exactly i'm not i'm not facing all checks i'm not i'm not turned around facing the center of the locker room yeah i'm i always face because you know old guys love to just they'll put the towel over their shoulder just so that they can flop their balls in your face they'll have a conversation right they'll go up to the the hair dryer put their leg on the counter and blow dry their balls yeah i've seen that yeah so uh close off towel on then i hear this guy about 25 feet away from he's the guy to my right and he starts yelling and he's like bro what the fuck are you doing and i'm just like straight ahead i'm like he's not talking to me i'm just running my own business getting ready to change or getting ready to shower bro what the fuck are you doing what the fuck is this gay shit bro you gonna shower what the fuck put your clothes back on this is some gay shit and then after like i don't know five seconds ten seconds of him yelling i finally look up i'm like is he yelling at me and he's staring at me and this dude is fucking pissed off like what huge scowl on his face he looks like he's about to come kick my ass jacked no he's like a medium-sized guy but he you would have gotten your ass kicked just because you i was naked yeah you're naked or you immediately lose footing or if you're naked a good strategy in this situation might be just like take the towel off because nobody wants to fight a naked guy right so the guy's just yelling i mean i'm looking around like is this me the other guy who's there i looked at him like is this really happening he's got his headphones on he has no idea that any of this is happening so the guy starts to walk towards me he's like take that fucking gay shit out of here that's gay as shit bro and he just walks out but he looks like he's like stewing he's like shaking he's so mad whoa so then he walks out and then i to myself like, is this guy going to wait for me out in the gym? Are you still naked and kick my ass? Did you cover up? I had a towel on. Okay.
Like my ass wasn't out, but he was mad at me that I took my clothes off to shower after the gym. And then for a second in that situation, I'm like, am I doing something wrong? Yeah, that's crazy.
This is when I wish we could scour all the little podcasts out there and find this guy telling the other side of the story. He was like, this dude was just fucking balls out in my face.
No, he was honestly 25 feet away from me. No, that's crazy.
How old was he? I'm going to guess like mid-20s. Oh.
I think he's going through some stuff. So I had a couple of theories on this guy.

One, he's probably gay.

Maybe.

He's probably very, very closeted.

Mm-hmm.

Because, again, we're 25 feet away.

I'm minding my own business.

This guy had to actively look at me while I was changing to get pissed off.

Right.

If he didn't want to see anything, he could have gone like this.

Right.

He turned his head five degrees. So then I got all all in my head because i thought am i doing something wrong and then i thought if this guy comes back in here and kicks my ass uh then he's going to like and gets caught then he will file a police report being like this fucking gay guy in the locker room was trying to come on to me and i'm like going through all these weird scenarios in this guy's mind right uh but it was it was weird when i went out to the parking lot i was like looking around for him i was like is this guy waiting to kick my ass in the parking lot that's crazy so yeah i was i i'd really do i love joey swole love his content he's the best joey i need you to weigh in on this uh am i out of line should should is it gay as shit to shower after you work out.
Wow. That's insane.
Bizarre.

Very bizarre.

Very bizarre. Very strange.
So I thought one, either this guy is very repressed in his homosexuality. Was I looking good? Yeah, I was just saying, it's kind of your fault for being so hot.
Well, after about 30 minutes, I thought about it. I was like, man, that guy me that's i guess that's that's better than him not wanting to fuck me yeah uh and then i got to the office i told mook about it because i was like a little shaken up he's like well were you were you hanging dong and i was like none man i'd work out dick i had like a very bad dick right right so i don't i don't know what this guy was going through but kind of it shook me up a little this morning.
I was like... Rightfully so.
Did I... Am I wrong to shower after using the gym? That's insane.
Now I'm going to be scared to shower next time. Yeah.
Wow. Does he look like a guy that's never played a sport in his life? No, he was relatively athletic.
Because that's where it's like, how can you get to that age and experience a locker room? room like imagine if you're on a team when there's 20 dudes doing the same thing right super gay yeah yeah it's the case what the hell is going on here the case thing you can do is play sports i just never seen anyone else in the locker room yeah i think that's the first time that guy's ever been to a gym yeah like or locker room period yeah he looked like he was in decent shape though that's that because i about that, Max. Maybe there's a different environment for him.
That's wild. I don't know.
Yeah. That is wild.
Maybe. I don't know.
It's a bizarre, bizarre, bizarre thing. I think your ass just looked really good.
I think it did. That's really the only thing that makes sense.
I was squatting heavy this morning. So I might have been, as Hank would say, looking right.
Yeah, you were looking right. All right.
My Firefest, I've already talked about a couple of them. But when I went in San Antonio, for the first time ever, I got heat-induced vomit, which that was crazy.
We did a live show, and I puked right after just because it was too hot. And then I was fine.
But that had never happened to me in and then also I took a shit in a bathroom a women's bathroom in a hotel lobby for 15 minutes while watching the Cubs game that was also a mistake oh that was an accident I was watching I was locked in on the Cubs game I was waiting for my hotel room I had to take a shit so I was have my head down looking watching the Cubs game and I just walked to the bathroom and I didn't't look up. And then I took a shit, and I was in the stall for 15 minutes.
Got out of the stall and was like, there's no urinals in here. And then realized I'd just been in the women's bathroom for 15 minutes.
It wasn't like a Creed Bratton moment where you're like, this is the one weird thing I do. I do that here at this office.
At this office. I use the women's bathroom here at this office.
Were there any other women in there at the time? I don't know. I had my headphones in because I was listening to the game while I was watching it.
But 15 minutes is a pretty long time, so I would imagine. I did not see another one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're fine then.
That never happened. Yes.
That never happened. I imagine if there was a woman in there at the same time and they were going pee, they would know the sound.
They'd be like, that is a man. Yeah, that's a man.
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, those two things happen. And then my real fire fest is just mini golf.
Hank thinks that it's, you know, he's in torture having to deal with the rules. I'm in torture because I'm just a joke artist.
And I know I'm going to choke. We're taping this before.
I'm just, I did it. I hate this.
Yeah, don't say that. I hate that attitude.
That's when you start to fuck up. Big Cat, we...
I'm a mental, like... I'm a mental pussy.
You're a defeatist. Yesterday, we had an incredible comeback.
I know. You don't do that if you're a choke artist.
You have to ride off that high. It's just...
I'm always like... I think it really comes down to the fact that I don't...
Well, I don't really perform well under pressure in general, but also I don't golf enough. So I know mini golf is not real golf, but I don't really have like a putting routine.
So I have nothing to fall back on. So the minute it goes bad once, it just stays bad.
Why don't you just give yourself a routine? Yeah. What are you supposed to do for a putting routine? Take deep breaths in and out.
Okay. And then step up.
Give a little ass wiggle wiggle Put the putter behind the ball Deep breath in, deep breath out, putt Alright Jack the Klaus, I was watching a video Where he was talking about He would feel nervous and then he would see the crowd And be like, these people are here having a great time They're here to watch me Let's give them something to root for Thousands are going to be watching tonight they want to see you do well okay what do you think about lying what if we line up the line up the ball every time i like that you know something max shout out max he was doing a great job as my caddy i just is this isn't like a this mini golf tournament this has happened in every mini golf tournament that we've done where i'm i i do well and then as soon as it's

time to make like a big putt it's like whoa you're a mess the funniest was watching the highlights from yesterday and all the clips that were coming out you could see how how much pressure we felt in those moments and then you look down and it's like a two-foot putt on a mini golf course mini golf you guys it was crazy i was watching you guys from above and i was like i've never seen both of them like they

like this is a mini golf

and they're both like

all the time mini golf you guys it was crazy i was watching you guys from above and i was like i've never seen both of them like they like this is a mini golf and they're both like all business all business mini golf is the dumbest sport ever and i say that i love playing it but it's the most frustrating thing in the world because you uh we take it very seriously if you miss a shot mini golf it's almost always like an easy shot that everyone is watching so not only is it a shot that everyone could say i could have hit that but then you look up and it's like a big fucking you missed a shot because there's a big fucking statue of ryan whitney's head next to you like it just the whole thing is so silly and then we take it seriously so yeah you know what you're right max i'm gonna win today going to play well. PFT and I are on the same team.
PFT and I, I mean, that was a great comeback. That was, that was awesome.
There is actually each other. There's real pressure though, when you're doing alternate shot, because you don't want to let down your team.
You don't want to fuck your teammate over. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like, I don't want to let my boy down, but we did have an incredible comeback.
We're down three with four to play. By the way, I think there's just a lot of people who don't understand how this style of play works because we were just getting accused left and right of having a crazy celebration for a tie.
When you're down three with four to play and you somehow get a tie out of it, that's... And you hear tie.
You guys got points on the board. Yeah.
Right like the team is the team is trying to get to 12 and a half points so contributing a half point is significant right you're down three and four and you get a tie out of it we won that time right that tie was a choke by them that was a massive yeah that was a huge tie huge choke by them huge huge yeah it was great pfti that we shocked the world i kept on yeah that's that's the other thing is like we're playing mini golf and i just kept on muttering to pft let's shock the world the world is shocked no one thinks you're hitting no irony no irony let's get crazy after each hole be like let's yo yo let's shock i honestly think how long did that round take like 40 minutes yeah like an hour. So I think that was probably the least funny me and Big Cat have been together at any point in our entire lives.
No jokes. So serious.
No joke. It was the Olympics.
We were just, every time, good shot. Stay locked in.
Let's shock the world. I watched it back.
I i was like you really did say let's shock the world

in a mini golf match dead serious oh my god but it's so fun it is really fun because it's just you i i think i think the way when some people are like you guys take this too seriously i think that's the fun part that's like if you don't care and i care if you don't care it's not fun to watch Yeah.

You want people to want to care about it that much to a sick level. Especially when it's like two days.
And like you said, you might not pick up a putter for a year. But then for two days, every putt is the most important putt of my life.
Yes. The personality that Big Cat and I showed in that is the complete and polar opposite of everything we've ever done on camera ever.
We literally, our entire existence is to make fun of everything. Not take things seriously.
Yeah, and take everything with a grain of salt. And then we're, let's shock the world.
Let's do something great. Let's do something they'll be talking about for years.
You're a beast. Let's write our, I actually said it to Nick.
I said it to Nick who was on the call. I threw my putter after you hit a huge putt to get us down one with two to play.
I threw my putter across the entire court. And Nick was like, what just happened? I was like, I kind of blacked out.
And I just said, I'm trying to rewrite my story. Let's write our names in the history books.
Also, that put story. Also, that putt that you're talking about, that you just said, like the huge putt, it was, I think, a foot and a half.
I think it was a foot and a half long mini golf putt. I'm trying to rewrite the story about me as a putter.
There's tough foot and a half putts in there. Yeah, there are.
I mean, I didn't get a full backswing. The wall was close.
We're going to win. We got to win.
Also, me and Hank did a little mini tournament before,

and Hank absolutely choked.

Oh, he did choke.

Absolutely choked.

He choked.

Is that true?

What were you up?

We were up like three.

It might have been three with four to go or something.

And then me and Max had like a 10-foot straight putt

that one of us had to hit.

We both missed 20 times.

So it's like I had every opportunity. But then I hit it it yeah and he didn't it's fine it's fun who loves that who golf who out of out of you guys watching who do you think golf's more me or hank well i i thought but then i saw you putt and i was like this guy fucking golfs yep.
Yep. Yeah.
I mean, just by watching the little that

I watched at that stream, I would say Max probably

golfs like six times more than Hank. I think we

actually probably have to put Max on a pit for how much he

golfs. Wrong.
Hank actually

golfs a lot and I never golf.

But Max, you have a membership to a

country club. No, Hank has

the membership to a country club. What?

You love mini golf so much that you set up this entire

tournament to make the whole office play mini golf, Max.

No, Hank set up this tournament.

Oh.

That's crazy.

That's nuts.

But I won.

Wait, so Hank set up the holes that you played on and you still beat him?

That is correct.

Holy fuck.

And he was Hank Rockwood.

He was switching the rocks around to benefit him.

Hank Rockwood.

The chat was saying Hank Rockwood. They were doing a great job.
That's great. I was chipping at one point.
All right, good show, boys. They were not happy with the chipping.
They were not happy. SVP Monday, Masters recap.
Let's finish off. Number three.
Shout out SVP and Max. Yeah, shout out SVP and Max.
That was the loudest memes has ever been on this show.

He wants three so bad.

But sometimes you don't want three.

I was going to say 77.

I'll go one.

I'm going to go 67.

I'll go 56.

99, Pogue.

I hope Max wins.

15.

21. Hey Hey what you got

The math

77

77

Oh Max Homa

Yeah me too

12

Ooh

Fuck 12

Not even close memes

Love you guys. Thank you.
Thank you.