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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take,

Speaker 1 it is masters time, and we have our good friend Max Homa on the show. As is tradition, great catching up with him.
He's about to turn the corner and maybe shock the world.

Speaker 1 We're going to shock the world.

Speaker 3 We're pumping up, Max.

Speaker 1 We have our good friend Shane Bacon breaking down the Masters, talking about best bets, what we expect from this weekend.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk Florida Gators back on the top of the college basketball mountain. We had some weird firings in Denver.

Speaker 1 We have hot seat, cool thrown, and then we're going to finish with pardon your take. Listener submitted pardon your take

Speaker 1 and a white lotus recap for the finale. Hank has watched it.
That was the only episode he watched. PFT and I watched the whole season.

Speaker 1 So if you are someone who has not watched it and you don't want to be spoiled, the very end of the show will be White Lotus. We will not talk about it until then.

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Speaker 1 For all DraftKings customers, the crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, April 9th, and the Florida Gators are back on top.
What did I and Eagles say? The championship?

Speaker 7 The championship, yeah. The championship.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 What a Final Four. Let's give it up for the Final Four.

Speaker 1 Great games. Great games.
We deserve it.

Speaker 7 We put in the hard work.

Speaker 1 You know that?

Speaker 7 I got

Speaker 7 cracked by the Lighthouse.

Speaker 1 We put in the hard work.

Speaker 7 Watching this shit. The shit turned into fertilizer.
And we got a beautiful garden that bloomed in the Final Four.

Speaker 7 I think that Houston was uncomfortable not playing from behind.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I feel like Houston had the lead the whole game, and they're like, wait, we're usually the ones that are coming back at the last minute.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can't hold on to the lead. We want to take the lead.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 all three games in the Final Four, the team losing at halftime won the game. That means that it was back and forth, fun basketball.

Speaker 1 It wasn't the prettiest game, but it was thrilling, and we got to see something I never thought I'd see where you get a last possession where Houston was not able to get a shot off because,

Speaker 1 I mean, he threw the ball and was going to end up with a traveling violation if he had touched the ball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was weird. Was that the last double or was that the worst final possession of all time in college basketball?

Speaker 7 It might be. Chris Weber.

Speaker 7 Not the final counts. Not the final possession, though.
Not the final possession. I mean, it was.

Speaker 7 I don't know what they were planning to do. I guess credit to Florida's defense for taking away whatever it is they were trying to do.
But yeah, they couldn't get a shot off.

Speaker 1 Well, watching it back,

Speaker 1 I know that Walter Clayton got player of the tournament, player of the final four, which he deserved.

Speaker 1 He was even on a night when his first three or four shots were comically off, and I think that also is part of the ball being overinflated.

Speaker 1 He was a big part of Florida offense, you know, with his assists in the first half, and then he found a little offense late, driving to the hole, hitting a big three.

Speaker 1 But Will Richard was the player of the game for this game, and it was him keeping them afloat in the first half with his threes.

Speaker 1 And then, if you look at the final possession, his on-ball defense in the final possession is where like all the timing for houston got screwed up and when the timing got screwed up you end up with that possession where kelvin sampson was just staring there not saying anything watching his dream crumble yeah that was i feel bad for kelvin sampson i do too i i was hoping i mean i obviously had the future on florida but For Kelvin, I don't know if he's going to get back here because this is an old team that he had.

Speaker 7 It was

Speaker 7 their culture, though. Yeah, what was the average age there? Like 21, 21 and a half? Yeah.
They were an older team, and

Speaker 7 they played really hard last night. I was super impressed with how they defended against Clayton.
So what they did in the first half was they had Cryer on him. Yeah, they blitzed him.

Speaker 7 And they're like, yeah, Cryer, you're going to sprint your ass off. Pretend like you're running around guarding Rip Hamilton for 20 minutes.

Speaker 7 And then in the second half, we're going to put Sharp on him. So we'll have someone who's relatively fresh.
And they did a great job of stopping him taking away outside shots.

Speaker 7 He had great passes to the inside.

Speaker 7 I didn't know if Condon was going to be enough because Condon, he looked like he was scared.

Speaker 1 He can't, he can't. That was the big thing with

Speaker 1 Clayton, should have had more assists because his passes were so good. Great passing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Florida Big Men, again, their hands didn't work except for Thomas Hawk, who that was one of the that was the play of the game when he when he blocked the ball and then went for the and one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was an incredible play. But yeah, Condon,

Speaker 1 I'll say it. He still is so important defensively, but offensively, when he gets the ball, it's just nervousness.

Speaker 7 I think there have been some games where he looks good offensively, but against Houston, he wanted no part of having that ball in the paint.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he would just toss it around to himself, dribble it off his leg, get it stripped. I think he had like back-to-back traveling violations.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 He was scared in the first half, but yeah, there were great passes by Clayton. And then the second half, they kind of figured out different ways that they could score

Speaker 7 completely different halves in terms of how it was officiated, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the stats are insane.

Speaker 1 There were

Speaker 1 four fouls called in the first half, and there were 26 fouls called in the second half, two technicals. Also,

Speaker 1 Todd Golden probably deserves credit, and I hate that the refs became a part of the entire story here, but his technical was maybe the most strategic technical of all time because after his technical foul, which was, I think, like three or four minutes into the second half,

Speaker 1 the fouls went 13 to 1 on Houston.

Speaker 7 Yeah, good move by him.

Speaker 1 It was because remember the first the second half started, I think Florida had five fouls in two and a half minutes.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and two of two of those fouls were phantom calls. Two were really, really bad.
And then there was a bad no-call that they had too. And so

Speaker 7 after the first bad call, I could tell Golden's, he's going to get a technical here. Yeah.
Watch. He's like, he knows that he's out of the box.

Speaker 7 I love, by the way, I love the box that they put on coaches because no coach stays in the box ever.

Speaker 7 It's just if you get worn three times and you still, you go further outside the box, that's when they hit you with the T. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We also, speaking of the refs uh i feel like seth davis had like he he would be my lvp for the tournament um because remember he was he was carrying water for kevin willard earlier in the tournament uh not understanding how fans uh you know interact in sports i had jeff goodman as mine jeff goodman also well he's he i don't even know if he can register because he's like this guy sucks which sucks talking about him because he doesn't know who we are so he's not ever going to hear this

Speaker 1 like i'm just yelling into the ether yeah no idea who we are uh seth davis though tweeted this about the refs.

Speaker 1 I've always disagreed with the argument that the refs should call it the same the whole game. The game changes.
Sometimes you need to blow the P. He said I called it a P.
Blow the P?

Speaker 1 Sometimes you need to blow the P to tighten things up. They did.
The players adjusted, and we got an amazing final 12 minutes. Refing is more art than science.
I'm going to disagree with that.

Speaker 1 I think that's...

Speaker 1 That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 If the refs don't call physical play or something that happens in the first half, and then all of a sudden they decide that they're going to call that a foul, that's very confusing for the players and usually gives us a worse product because the players do not have consistency.

Speaker 4 There's a reason they wear black and white.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not art. It's black and white.

Speaker 4 It's not the other, yeah.

Speaker 7 Do all refs wear black and white, though?

Speaker 1 On a basketball court?

Speaker 7 Yeah. Well, I feel like in the NBA, it's like gray.
It might be gray. There's shades of gray in there.

Speaker 1 On a colour. When you think referee,

Speaker 7 stripes.

Speaker 1 He made a good

Speaker 1 joke. It's a

Speaker 1 good pun.

Speaker 7 Give it to him. It's a great, great pun.
It's not art.

Speaker 7 It's not art.

Speaker 1 But that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

Speaker 7 I think that's very stupid. Like, can you imagine a baseball umpire being like, the strike zone, you know, it changes inning to inning? No.
Like, be consistent. That's the one thing.

Speaker 7 If you're going to, listen, if you're going to blow the P 26 times in the second half, then blow the P 26 times in the first half.

Speaker 1 If you're going to be bad, be consistently bad. If you're going to be good, be consistently good.

Speaker 1 Like, that's actually, it's the exact opposite of how I view officiating there are sometimes you watch a game and you see the refs are like all right it's going to be one of those nights and you just and then everyone adjusts to have it be it's not one of those nights and then halftime happens and they're like no it is one of those nights that sucks i have another complaint about the officiating this has been bugging me for i feel like three years now why do they insist on having that that weird angle camera every time they're watching the review and then making the announcement the one that's like it looks like it's done on a laptop camera like a front-facing laptop camera where they stare into it.

Speaker 7 And every single one of them looks like a serial killer about to murder somebody. Yeah, it's a blowjob kit.
It's a blowjob. It's the what she sees.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And

Speaker 7 every ref looks like a complete creep. Just get, get a normal camera.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 7 It's so stupid. Because it makes me hate the refs more.
Also, I did grow to hate Gene Sterator.

Speaker 1 I loved him at the end. I went the other way.

Speaker 7 You ended up liking him?

Speaker 1 I ended up missing him. You got to stay strong.
On Sunday, I was like, man, I really wish Gene Sterator could just pop into my life right now.

Speaker 7 You got to stay strong. It was.

Speaker 1 I wish wish someone had done,

Speaker 1 next year we'll do it where it's just one shining moment, but it's just Gene Sterator's graphic popping up. It's like over and over.

Speaker 7 It's like being the mayor of New York City. No matter what you do, everybody's going to hate you.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 If you are the person who is in charge of busting in the broadcast like 20 times in three minutes to analyze if a ball hit off a guy's knee, when we can all see that it hit off his knee.

Speaker 7 And they're like, okay, let's get Gene Sterator in because he's the only guy that can tell us if this ball actually hit off the guy's knee or if we're just seeing things. Gene, what do you think?

Speaker 7 It makes me hate you. I don't want to hate Gene.

Speaker 1 I just missed him because he became such a big part of my life. It was like,

Speaker 1 you know, getting like an office wife or an office husband. Gene Sterator, we watched so much basketball.
He was kind of getting office hot to me. Office hot?

Speaker 1 I was kind of being like, Gene Sterator is doing it for me. When he pops in, he's like, I don't know.
It could go either way. Thanks, Gene.
Really needed that opinion. And he makes some little joke.

Speaker 1 I didn't like how jokey they got.

Speaker 7 They got really jokey. That's why you got to get Mike Carey back.
Yeah. We need to bring him back for the national discussion.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, credit to Florida. So Florida's path was pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 So starting with the SEC championship or SEC tournament, Florida went on to beat Missouri, who is ranked 19th in the Ken Pom, Alabama, six, Tennessee, five.

Speaker 1 Then go to the tournament, they win their first-round game. Yukon, defending champs, 32.
Maryland, 10. Texas Tech, 9.
9, Auburn, 4, Houston, 2. So they went on a path where they beat

Speaker 1 six top 10 teams to get to this championship. The only, you know, they were, they were ranked third.
They ended up beating the two, four, five, and six ranked teams in Ken Pom.

Speaker 1 So Duke was the only one that they didn't rank or didn't beat.

Speaker 1 It was a hell of a gauntlet, and they did it, and Florida's back on top. I also saw, I was reading an article last night, I think it was on the Athletic, where it was like February 26,

Speaker 1 2006 was when Florida lost their last game and then went on to win a title. February 27, 2007 was when they lost their last game to go on and win on a title.

Speaker 1 And then this year they lost their last game February 25th and then just went.

Speaker 1 So it's something about those late February losses and then Florida, when they've won their three titles, have just gone, ripped them all off.

Speaker 7 It's wild. Yeah.
I think the story from this Final Four, though, if we're going to think back, put yourself in a time machine 10 years from now. Duke.
Duke losing.

Speaker 7 It's still the story of the Final Four. Yes.

Speaker 7 I will die on that hill.

Speaker 1 We're going to. Houston choked.
You didn't really know.

Speaker 1 He won't play it hard now. Houston won possession.
He blew that game. Hank, I said

Speaker 7 it was the worst possession I've ever seen. But they choked.

Speaker 1 It was before that.

Speaker 1 They did choke. They had turnovers on, I think, their last four possessions.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Which is crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Houston choked, but also Houston did.

Speaker 4 Floyd also traveled twice on that

Speaker 4 once. Press break.
No, the ball handling.

Speaker 1 I know the one you're talking about with Clayton. I don't think he traveled.

Speaker 9 The other one was like

Speaker 4 he took like 20 steps and two steps.

Speaker 1 No, he did not take it.

Speaker 7 I think there were probably two missed calls.

Speaker 1 But I mean, they were either way.

Speaker 7 They were close enough. Yeah, Houston did not.

Speaker 1 And also, there was the goaltending that they didn't review.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was important, it turns out. Hank,

Speaker 1 that's hard. They can't review that because they didn't call it.

Speaker 7 So if they had called it on the floor, they could look at it and be like, yeah, we got it right, but they didn't call it.

Speaker 7 So instead, we just came back from commercial and they were like, look at this goaltending call that they missed. Nothing's going to change.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look, Hank, you probably aren't wrong because Houston did lead the game for all but 17 seconds in the first 39 minutes. And then

Speaker 1 Elijah Martin hit two free throws or one free throw with 46 seconds remaining. And that was it.
Like, that's

Speaker 1 Hank had a future on Houston.

Speaker 1 Am I reversing the narrative that you always win the big bets in my face? And I kind of reversed it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did feel bad because it was like, it sucked that we were headed to the bottom.

Speaker 7 I appreciated you feel.

Speaker 4 I didn't think you needed to feel bad. But I like when it's when it's head to head.
But it's different when it's future against future. I know that.

Speaker 1 But it's still.

Speaker 4 If we both were like, you know, nuke versus nuke, that's one thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 You can't plan on that. Yeah.

Speaker 7 If anything, that just means that this podcast knows ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I won a very large sum of money, and

Speaker 1 I think I still am down in March Madness, but that's okay. I'm a losing gambler.

Speaker 4 I've never said different. The account's not empty.

Speaker 1 The account's not empty, but there's a lot of people being like, show you all your losers. Like, hey, buddy, there's a lot of them.
I will. I've never admitted different.

Speaker 7 I'm a loser. A solemn promise to you all, I will never check and see how much money I've lost.

Speaker 1 I will when I write like a biography in like 40 years, and then I can, like, you know, they'll have me on whatever the next damn Patrick is, and I can be like, it says you're in your book, you lost $30 million gambling.

Speaker 1 Like, yep. It's true.
That's not what the number is right now.

Speaker 7 Like, I'm down. I'm down big this year, and I hit the Travis Hunter-Heisman future.
That was the biggest future of my life.

Speaker 1 I went Scoobel, Travis Hunter, Eagles, and Florida. You win.
And I'm down.

Speaker 5 Plus 16-0 mixed in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 And I'm still down. So that gives you a little insight of how I am as a game.

Speaker 9 Maybe by the scandals.

Speaker 1 I just love the people being like, show your losers. Like, dude.
And then thank you to everyone who came to my defense. They're like, he's said a billion times that he's a loser.

Speaker 1 Like, that's just, I'm actually on documented record yeah yeah when they went when penn went to to trial against the massachusetts government they're like he's the biggest gambling loser of all time historically but uh yeah it was it was i think we'll remember duke yeah i mean that's got to be the big story right it's got to be the big story uh i actually do believe that yeah that 10 years from now we'll remember that florida won a national title will we remember it as much as because here's the here's the difference hank between duke's choke and saying it's USA Russia?

Speaker 4 No, it's USA USSR.

Speaker 7 They're supposed to be Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, and also,

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 if you had to make a bet on

Speaker 1 what player from these four teams is going to have a career that we talk about for a long time, it's Cooper Flag.

Speaker 11 And guess what happened with Cooper Flag in his last

Speaker 1 tournament game? He choked.

Speaker 1 So that's where the storyline comes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, a lot of choking. I think it'll be remembered as the final four of chokes.

Speaker 9 The chokes, yeah.

Speaker 1 Kelvin Sampson, I do feel bad. He was on win number 799.

Speaker 1 So this would have been 800, brutal.

Speaker 7 He probably would have retired, right?

Speaker 1 I don't know. At 800.
His son is coach and waiting, Kellen.

Speaker 1 He's, yeah,

Speaker 1 he's been right there. He just,

Speaker 1 I'll say this about Kelvin Sampson, incredible coach. Just needs to figure out how to get a little bit more moisture in his mouth.
Yeah. He is a big-time dry-mouth guy.

Speaker 7 He is. He is.

Speaker 7 He also is a coach that every time I see him, I think he's going to be fatter than he is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's the name Kelvin.

Speaker 7 Kelvin.

Speaker 7 I assume every time the camera pants to him, I'm like, wow, he's lost a lot of weight. But I say that every time I see him.

Speaker 1 Adding an L to Kevin makes you fatter. Yeah.
It should. Like when you close your eyes, you say, hey, that's Kelvin coming down the street.
I'm like, whoa.

Speaker 7 That guy's a big boy. It's how you say Kevin while you're swallowing a bite of sandwich.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your mouth is full. Kelvin.

Speaker 1 And then Florida, yeah, I mean, this Final Four Four or this championship game, for everyone who says that college basketball is dying, yes, obviously there's some issues, the NIL and transfer, but there were no five-star recruits in this game, and there were no freshmen in this game.

Speaker 1 So playing, maybe there was a freshman, I know Florida has a freshman. Maybe it was the starters, no five-stars, no freshmen.
So it's not just you can load the, you know.

Speaker 1 Duke would have been the team. You're like, NIL has ruined it.
They just paid $20 million for their roster.

Speaker 7 That didn't happen. So it turns out that, like, the only thing that we could say after the tournament was over, if Duke had won, NIL ruined college basketball.
Correct.

Speaker 7 And since Florida won and they didn't have freshmen, it's college basketball alive and well.

Speaker 1 Alive and well.

Speaker 1 Although, I

Speaker 7 just, I hate after big games like this, seeing Olivier Rue go out on the court and cut down the nets and not have to jump at all with seven foot eight guy, seven foot nine guy in Florida who doesn't play because he's a freshman.

Speaker 7 I just wish that we had seen him play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. He'll play.

Speaker 7 He's going to be a freak.

Speaker 1 And it was also, like I said, my player of the game was Will Richard.

Speaker 1 I'm a sap for this stuff. He was the first guy to commit to Todd Golden when he took over at Florida.
I always love those stories.

Speaker 1 It's like he was the first one to believe in what would end up being three years down the line a national championship.

Speaker 7 He was my guy. He was the guy who built it all around.

Speaker 1 That's the foundation block.

Speaker 7 Do we have a top 25 for next year already?

Speaker 7 I love the sickos that do those lists the second the game's over. Okay,

Speaker 5 Phantom made one.

Speaker 1 Kentucky, Duke, Kansas,

Speaker 1 UNC.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say Creighton's going to be somewhere around 12.

Speaker 1 Where's Creighton's 22?

Speaker 7 He's got Houston at one?

Speaker 1 Houston, Purdue, Louisville, Duke, Yukon, Texas Tech, Alabama, St. John's, UCLA, Iowa State.

Speaker 7 That's your top 10. I love that.
Congrats to Iowa State.

Speaker 1 There's a guy on,

Speaker 1 fuck, I can't remember. It might be like JBB bracketology or something.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. No, JBR bracketology is someone I follow is a really good college who's followed.
But there's a guy who did bracketology already.

Speaker 1 Before it was, I think he did on Saturday.

Speaker 7 Who were the first four teams out?

Speaker 1 I don't know who the first four teams out was. I just immediately looked.
Wisconsin got an eight seed.

Speaker 7 I would just assume that was cool. If you're doing bracketology for next year already, you're only doing it.
Oh, there it is.

Speaker 7 You just have the first four teams out so you can stick it to fan bases that you don't don't like.

Speaker 1 Mr. Brackett's three.

Speaker 1 He's got Houston as your one seat in the south. Duke is your one seat in the east.
Kentucky is your one seat in the Midwest. And Purdue out west.

Speaker 1 Gonna be tough for the Boilermakers out going out west.

Speaker 1 Oh, I pulled that up pretty quick.

Speaker 1 You did.

Speaker 1 Is Villanova?

Speaker 1 Is Villanova's not on there, but Robert Wright.

Speaker 5 Robert Wright coming to Nova.

Speaker 7 I feel like they reversed where West Virginia should be in Xavier. I feel like those two are backwards in this one.
Did the committee get it wrong?

Speaker 1 The committee got it wrong. I just love the commitment to do a bracketology.
When did he post this? Great job, Max, by pulling that up. When did he post this? This was on April 5th at 2.18.

Speaker 1 So this was before the Final Four was played.

Speaker 9 I love that.

Speaker 1 I love that. That's a commitment right there.

Speaker 7 That's actually a great way to take away some of this. If your team doesn't get into the NCAA tournament, there should be a guy that does this for next year and put all those bubble teams in.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Max should be like, look, we're building something.

Speaker 1 You got got it you're on the way uh all right so yeah good

Speaker 7 bad tournament great final four yeah i think that's fair to say you got to get a shot off got to get a shot off me if i that's probably i mean with houston you take the good with the bad they practice so much and like loose ball drills yeah and not shooting you you revert back to your training what do you think

Speaker 1 wrestling what do you think would have happened if he had picked up the ball do you think the rest would have been

Speaker 7 they would have called it i mean we could have had the the biggest missed call of of all time.

Speaker 1 Right. Like, just put the pressure on them.
I also think

Speaker 7 he should have.

Speaker 1 He should have touched it just because then they would have still been like, whatever, five seconds left.

Speaker 7 And you forced them to make it. And Florida

Speaker 1 makes a free throw. You force them to make the call.
If they make the call, Florida makes a free throw or two, then it would be game. But if they make one, you still got a shot.
Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He should have touched it. All-time.
Oh, that's so unsatisfying if you're a Houston fan.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you just have that playing in your head forever. like, that was kind of...

Speaker 4 Well, it felt like a win the whole game, too.

Speaker 4 They were winning that game.

Speaker 7 You just need a shot.

Speaker 1 You need a shot at the end of the game. And especially, I mean, the play they ran was

Speaker 1 to shoot a three.

Speaker 1 They should have

Speaker 1 sprinted right at the rim. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And tried to get a rebound. That's what I didn't understand was why.
Why take it down that far?

Speaker 7 Why not give yourself a shot to, if they get a rebound, get a foul, and play it out from there, give yourself multiple multiple opportunities to not get a shot off.

Speaker 1 When I watched it back, I was looking at it, and it looked like what they were hoping for.

Speaker 1 Basically, Will Richards' defense got all of the sequence of screens out of order for Houston, and they were just all a little bit late, and the pass wasn't really crisp.

Speaker 1 But I think what they were trying to do was get Condon to come out on the three, and it would have left Jaywon Roberts and Clayton going for the rebound.

Speaker 1 So you basically take a three with five seconds left, and you're big. And then you have a huge mismatch under the boards.

Speaker 7 Also, I feel like Jaywan Roberts could get a rebound, even if there are three other guys around him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That shot he hit off the backboard.

Speaker 7 That was insane. I woke up this morning, and my first thought was, how did Florida win this game? Yeah.
Like, it's crazy. It was a great comeback by Florida.

Speaker 1 They were never in control of this game. Never.
Not even for, even at the end. It was like, oh, here comes Houston.

Speaker 1 They're going to either hit a three or get a rebound because that's what they always do.

Speaker 7 Like, if you're trailing, and what were they down by? 12 points?

Speaker 1 I think they were down 12. They were down 10 almost instantly in the second half.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you're down 12 and you get two technicals. Yeah.
And you still come back and win. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 It was that Thomas Hawk block and and one was an incredible, incredible play. He played his balls off.
Yep. He was he was a dude.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Denver has fired their head coach, our good friend Michael Malone, and their GM.

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 7 Yeah, what the fuck? This is one of the craziest coach firings.

Speaker 7 Denver is in the fourth seed, I believe, right now, but all these teams in the West are within half games, so they could end up being the eighth seed.

Speaker 7 Memes had an interesting theory that he's been reading about online. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Oh, you mean Luka Doncic?

Speaker 7 Nope. Nope.

Speaker 1 Our guy memes decided to show up to work today, dressed as Luka Doncic. I don't know.
I've never seen it before.

Speaker 1 He's wearing a Luka Doncic

Speaker 1 Mavericks. Mavericks.
Luka Doncic hoodie.

Speaker 1 Is that a sh a sh?

Speaker 7 It's a sweatshirt. A Hersey.
A Hersey? I think a sweatshirt jersey.

Speaker 1 Sweatsweights. Sweats.
Sweats. Sweatshirts.
And then

Speaker 1 matching sweatpants, and then has his shoes and socks exactly like Luka would wear.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so he's just channeling Luka on the Mavs.

Speaker 1 And he's been drinking beers all day.

Speaker 7 And he said

Speaker 1 memes and Hookah. And Hookah.

Speaker 7 Memes was like, is it sex trafficking? That was his theory on Mudson.

Speaker 7 I mean, the Denver airport, weird shit goes on there.

Speaker 1 Was it the Jokic brothers that just went into the

Speaker 1 Nuggets facilities?

Speaker 11 Like, fire him now.

Speaker 7 I coach team now.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I read who knows what actually happened. Apparently, the GM and Michael Malone did not speak, and they were not on good terms.

Speaker 7 So they're firing both of them?

Speaker 1 So they're like, fuck it, we'll fire both of them.

Speaker 7 Me personally, I would keep the coach that won an NBA title.

Speaker 1 I would keep the coach that you're winning.

Speaker 1 Your winningest coach of all time, your NBA title coach, the only one you have in your history of

Speaker 1 your franchise right before the playoffs makes no sense I I always go back to like whenever these things happen

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 Jokic had to sign off on this right

Speaker 7 I would think so

Speaker 1 but also Jokic is someone who like he's the type of guy who I feel like he's wouldn't demand anything no Luca thing when it was like you would think someone along the way would have been like we're not doing this and that didn't happen it feels like anything's possible but with

Speaker 7 Jokic, I feel like he's always teetering on the edge of being like, you know, I don't really like playing basketball. I'd rather just hang out with my horses.
You don't want to piss him off. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I feel like you have to have that conversation with him.

Speaker 1 Right. Right before the playoffs.
I know they've lost four in a row, but Jamal Murray's been in and out. So, like,

Speaker 11 you still have the best player in the world right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that leads me to only think that

Speaker 1 he would have signed off on this. Yeah.
Also, Calvin Booth, the GM,

Speaker 1 tough day for him because his face is weird.

Speaker 7 Yeah, there are some pictures of him that kind of looked like he was melting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, someone said that looks like they put Nick Cage's face inside of his.

Speaker 7 Inside of a tanning bed? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Can you pull up his picture?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that's just

Speaker 1 listen, sucks to get fired. Sucks even more for everyone to be like, oh, that's what you look like.

Speaker 7 Let's take a look at this guy because I only saw the graphic that Sean's. Yeah, it's just why the long face, Calvin.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 Calvin Booth. It's a very that first picture right there.

Speaker 7 That's not great. It's a very strange time to do all this.
Very strange. Like really, really strange.

Speaker 7 The owner, Josh Cranky, he gave us a press conference today and they asked him about.

Speaker 1 Wait, does he have any relation to Stan?

Speaker 7 I'll have to look that up. He might.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good for him. Another Cranky getting a team?

Speaker 7 Yeah, so but he's

Speaker 7 independently wealthy. I'm sure

Speaker 7 his message to the team was play hard and have fun.

Speaker 1 So they're going the Mighty Ducks strategy.

Speaker 7 They're going, yeah.

Speaker 1 Gordon Bombay. That would be funny if they just hired Emilio Estevez.
Like, we don't.

Speaker 7 Jokic can draw up the plays.

Speaker 1 I'm just here to throw the beach ball out there and have some fun.

Speaker 7 So I guess they're just going to go with

Speaker 7 their assistant coach as an interim for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Coaching by committee?

Speaker 9 This is stupid.

Speaker 4 This makes no sense. Aren't those Mike Malone's coaches? Michael.

Speaker 3 Michael.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But aren't they just.

Speaker 1 Say the question again.

Speaker 4 Aren't those Michael Malone's coaches?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 Now are you firing your coach?

Speaker 7 Your post-Malone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Why would you not

Speaker 4 new help?

Speaker 4 If you don't believe in Michael Malone, how could you believe in his assistants? That would be my question.

Speaker 1 Fair question.

Speaker 7 And will those assistants coach hard for you after you fired their guy?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 One of them will. One of them definitely is like, this is my shot.
The rat. Yeah, and then they'll, and then it will become a whole thing.
Wait, who is this?

Speaker 7 What do you think about this guy? David Edelman.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 He's got cute cheeks.

Speaker 1 And who else? Look how rosy they are. Who else is coaching for them? So they're really going by committee?

Speaker 3 I think this is a guy. Oh,

Speaker 1 they did make it officially, he's the interim.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Because I was going to say, if they were, that would be very funny if it was like four guys and they took turns on the quarters.

Speaker 1 You're actually asking for a huge reduction from a guy who's never done it before at this level.

Speaker 7 That's what Winhorse said. I agree with Wendy.
Wendy's hair is so on point. He's a good suit, too.

Speaker 1 This fucking guy, he just, he serves looks.

Speaker 1 Fucking love Wendy.

Speaker 1 He'll be on for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 You guys excited for the Masters? I know we got Max Homa and Shane Bacon. By the way, Max, awesome interview.
He's maybe not playing the best golf of his career right now, or he isn't, but

Speaker 1 we got him. I feel like it was a good

Speaker 1 time to just go back to the old conversation with Max Homa.

Speaker 7 I'm very excited about it, Big Cat.

Speaker 7 I know that Sunday is maybe the best nap day of the entire calendar year when you're watching the final round. I think it's Saturday.

Speaker 7 I actually have become more of a Friday Masters guy.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Friday Masters before the cut, it's like a little mini championship. It's like everybody is fighting for something.

Speaker 1 I like Saturday just because Saturday, like Sunday, I don't want to miss anything. And Saturday is just a perfect Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 1 They do the thing where you can't watch the coverage on TV until like 3 o'clock.

Speaker 1 And then it comes on on and you kind of doze off and you wake up for the last like you know four or five holes what are you gonna say Max why can't you watch all of the masters I don't understand there's no other sports going on at this time everyone wants to watch the whole thing

Speaker 4 the first two rounds yeah they've expanded their coverage yeah and Max but there should be no there should be no question of whether there is coverage I agree download the app You download the app

Speaker 1 but then you like the amount of times that I've bet on somebody and you can't watch and you're just going through like the masters tracker and just waiting and refreshing and refreshing is so annoying the most frustrating thing that happens every single year on saturday the masters is at like two o'clock they're like here is an hour of a jack nicholas documentary Like just give us the we know they're playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They're playing the masters right now.

Speaker 7 It's usually like 30 minutes about how Sam Sneed named a tree.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the answer to your question, Max, is it's the Masters, so they get to make all the rules. They They get to do whatever they want.
That's really all it is.

Speaker 1 They have a one-year contract with CBS, and they basically call up CBS and say, yeah, you know what? We'll keep you for another year. Like, imagine.
CBS is kind of the cuck in this relationship.

Speaker 1 They go out.

Speaker 4 12 to 7 on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Is that real, 12 to 7?

Speaker 4 12 to 2 on Peacock.

Speaker 4 On the cock.

Speaker 7 What about the morning?

Speaker 4 Who cares? On Saturday, Sunday, it's like...

Speaker 1 It's moving day, bro.

Speaker 4 But anyone that's anyone, 12 to 7 is a long time.

Speaker 1 Dippleheads like us? Yeah, but no,

Speaker 7 you're going to want to see how the course looks in the morning.

Speaker 5 What's going on from 8 to 12? Like, what are they showing that they can't show Masters?

Speaker 4 I actually didn't realize Max wanted to post up and watch Florida.

Speaker 1 No, no, but I just like having a seven.

Speaker 7 Here's the thing. Here's the thing, though.
And Max makes a good point. Like, they could be lying to us about what happens earlier in the day.
Right.

Speaker 7 They could just make up the scores and be like, oh, this is crazy. Tiger Woods shot another great round early in the day on Saturday.
You didn't see it.

Speaker 5 Also, why are you defending it?

Speaker 5 You should be on my side here.

Speaker 1 Anyone is on my side.

Speaker 4 But I do think the Masters, in terms of golf tournaments, at least, there's a lot of golf tournaments where there's much worse viewing experiences. The Masters gives you a lot.

Speaker 1 But I want all of that. I want more.
That's fair. I want everyone.

Speaker 5 I don't care about golf except for the majors or if we have a bet on a guy that weekend.

Speaker 9 Just give you the golf.

Speaker 5 Give me the golf.

Speaker 1 Give me all of it. I agree.

Speaker 5 When I wake up on Saturday morning, it's like, oh, the Masters is on. Let me just throw this on my TV while I'm doing other things.
Why can't I have that on my TV?

Speaker 1 It is also the most peaceful tournament. So I don't even care if they don't even have to.
They could show a shot every 10 minutes. And as long as I have it on my TV, I'm 100%.
That's correct. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And they do the less commercials.

Speaker 1 Hank's been compromised. I don't even know.
Hank just likes to defend all of the golf. Oh, no.
Yeah. You're defending the wrong golf here, bro.

Speaker 7 I just, it's true.

Speaker 1 Hank thinks he's going to play at Augustus someday.

Speaker 7 Max was like, I think we should be able to watch more golf. And Hank's like, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That doesn't at all.
You want to play at Augusta.

Speaker 7 Why would Hank say that?

Speaker 1 Do you want to play it Augusta? No. You don't want to play at Augusta?

Speaker 4 I don't. There's no world where I'm playing at Augusta.
I'm that's not even.

Speaker 1 There's 0%. There's definitely not a world you're playing at Augusta if you have a take like Max.
Max is definitely not playing at Augusta.

Speaker 7 Are you negging the Coursera?

Speaker 1 I'm not popping at Augusta.

Speaker 5 I'm opting out of playing at Augusta.

Speaker 1 I also will opt out because I want more fucking golf. Yeah.
All right, fair. Me too.

Speaker 4 Oh, fuck the Masters. No,

Speaker 1 no, Hank. Why would you say that?

Speaker 1 Oh, we just dragged you down into the mud with us.

Speaker 7 I also love the Caddy uniforms at Augusta. The Caddy uniforms are priceless.
They're like little smocks that they get them.

Speaker 1 Are you trying to play at Augusta? No.

Speaker 5 You haven't opted out yet, though.

Speaker 7 No, I have opted.

Speaker 7 You forget, Big Cat. Like, three years ago on this show, I said, I don't want to play at Augusta.
I'm not Augusta Material.

Speaker 7 I'm opting out. And you said

Speaker 7 you wouldn't want to play at Augusta. I would want to play at Asterister.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't want to play at Augusta, but now I can't because I'm saying fuck the Masters. But I definitely would want to.
I've been out.

Speaker 1 Like, if they asked me, I absolutely would.

Speaker 4 Hank's still allowed the putt, though.

Speaker 1 We'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get to that later.
I just wanted to say that. Hank still allowed the putt.

Speaker 1 But for the first time, fuck the masters, but if they actually did invite us, like, I would play it for the record, I mean, we're never getting invited. But no one is getting invited, but we would.

Speaker 7 I don't know that I would because Augusta.

Speaker 7 Augusta would lose so much of its shine, so much of its stature for me.

Speaker 7 The second they invite me, I'm like, that's kind of of gross.

Speaker 7 You guys are doing too much.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm Hank. You want to fuck the Masters, but you would.
Yeah, okay. Max, would you? I'm never, Max,

Speaker 5 I won't even play on this show. I'm that bad.

Speaker 1 But you would.

Speaker 1 I would not. I would not.
If you were asked to play at Augusta. He sounds like he wants to play.

Speaker 5 I don't want to play.

Speaker 1 If they ask you to play at Augusta. On a fucking random day in July.

Speaker 7 I don't even know if it's open. I think it's closed.
It's closed in July.

Speaker 1 Whenever it's open.

Speaker 1 Jeffrey Lurie calls you up and says, Max, you're my number one guy. I mean, Jeffrey Lurry.
Do you want to go play Augusta with me?

Speaker 1 Well, that's how it would have to be because it'd have to be some crazy rich dude.

Speaker 5 But that wouldn't be to play at Augusta. That would be to play with Jeffrey Lurie.

Speaker 1 So Jeffrey Lurie says, hey, Max, I am not going to make it, but I want you to play

Speaker 1 in my place at Augusta.

Speaker 5 Well, that would be Big Dom asking me.

Speaker 1 Or would it be Big John?

Speaker 1 I don't know who that is. That's a good question.

Speaker 7 I would never play. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not. I would never play.

Speaker 4 If Sidney Sweeney were to DM me,

Speaker 4 I would never go out with her. But if she DM me, I would go out with her, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, same.

Speaker 7 If she DM'd you, she's like, do you want to go out on a date?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I would.

Speaker 7 That would be good for the show. Yeah, it'd be good.
I would approve of it.

Speaker 1 It'd be really good for the show. You should work on that.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It would be better for.

Speaker 4 I'll work just as hard as that as playing at Augusta.

Speaker 1 What do you think is more like to win the lottery?

Speaker 7 Sidney Sweeney. Never gonna.
You think Sidney Sweeney DMing you out of nowhere and being like, let's fuck, is more likely

Speaker 1 than Augusta DMing you and be like, let's play.

Speaker 4 She'd want to, you know, go on a date and make sure we have chemistry, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 No one plays it like.

Speaker 1 Way more likely. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You work

Speaker 7 at the number one sports podcast in America and you think it's more likely that Sidney Sweeney fucks you than Augusta invites you. I kind of agree with him.

Speaker 4 No one plays at Augusta.

Speaker 1 I kind of agree with him.

Speaker 7 Listen, nobody fucks sidney sweeney either

Speaker 5 well someone does i think it's i i'm kind of on pft side here yeah it's in i think that's no no listen both both are very unlike hank is hank doesn't even want to watch the masters

Speaker 1 it's true

Speaker 1 yeah i'm 0 for 2 on my on the 50 50 where four cubs games in

Speaker 5 you probably didn't buy that many tickets though Yeah, I probably didn't buy that many tickets.

Speaker 1 You know what? Here's another thing. If we're ranting, Max, the 50-50 now, they don't print out all your numbers.
You just get one number.

Speaker 1 It's bullshit.

Speaker 1 What does that even mean?

Speaker 7 You have to check a website.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, I lost. I spend like $200, $300 every time.
They give me one number. I don't understand it.
I feel like I'm getting robbed.

Speaker 5 Do they give you like from this number to this number?

Speaker 3 No, it's just one number.

Speaker 1 I don't get it. I don't understand what changed.
They're right.

Speaker 1 Do you think I'm just comfortable? I think you're getting robbed. Fuck.
I think you're getting robbed. That robbed.

Speaker 5 Make that make sense.

Speaker 7 At the Blackhawks game, I think I bought 300 bucks worth of 50-50s. They sent me an email.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's QR codes.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I get an email with a bunch of numbers, and then I click a button, and then it takes me to a website that tells me that I lost the 50-50. I'm like, I paid $300 to read a website.

Speaker 5 I also don't think that you should be able to buy 50-50s if you're not at the game.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 1 I would never want to win a 50-50 if I wasn't there. Like, I get, people will send me, like, oh, this 50-50 you can buy.
It's like, dude, I got to be there for the record. Go to the game.

Speaker 7 I would like to win a 50-50 at a game that I'm not at. I'll never enter, but in theory, I would like to get an email being.

Speaker 1 I guess, actually, in theory, I would too. Yeah, you'd probably.
But I wouldn't count it as my 50-50. Right.

Speaker 7 You'd just be like,

Speaker 1 I just won a lot of money.

Speaker 7 I got paid money. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I won the 50-50.

Speaker 1 It would be kind of like not pointing fingers in here, but like someone in this room saying that they've gotten the lottery ball when they clearly have not because it was someone else's lottery ball.

Speaker 1 That kind of situation. Like, if I wasn't at the game, I'm not going to count it.
Well, that never happened. Yeah, PFT just got it.
Yeah. I nailed it.
And memes still has not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, twice. Hey, what's going to happen first? Me win the 50-50 or memes get the lottery ball?

Speaker 1 What do you think?

Speaker 7 I'm going to say Big Cat win the 50. Do you think Hank is going to impregnate Sidney Sweeney or Memes is going to get the lottery ball first?

Speaker 1 Better chance for Hank.

Speaker 7 Hank really does butt stuff, though.

Speaker 1 Hank is fucking good looking. Thank you.
My guy, look at him today. He's wearing his Augusta green.

Speaker 3 Not really, but yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You are. Six-pack coming.

Speaker 4 It is.

Speaker 1 I can't wait.

Speaker 1 Is it going to be... Is it arriving before or after the dunk?

Speaker 1 Before. Oh, okay.
So you're going six-pack, then dunk?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm going six-pack summer, and then once summer's over, I'm going to...

Speaker 1 Because the six-pack predates the dunk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You said you were going to get a six-pack like three years ago.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and the time has come.

Speaker 7 I think we all said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, is there going to be a real six-pack or is it going to be just like, oh, you got the dick bones?

Speaker 4 We'll see. I mean, it might be like, you know,

Speaker 4 camera angles and stuff, but.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Something will be there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We'll have Sidney SUNY come and judge. Yeah.
If it's a real six-pack or not.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do hot seat cool throw and then we'll get to our interviews with Max Homa and Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 1 Henry.

Speaker 4 My hot seat is Human Society.

Speaker 1 Oh. Shit, I had this too.

Speaker 4 Dire Wolves?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had Dire Wolves too. We all had Dire Wolves.

Speaker 7 I actually put cats on my hot seat, but Human Society is good too.

Speaker 4 Romulus and Ramus.

Speaker 1 Khaleesi.

Speaker 4 The world's first de-extinct animals born October 1st, 2024.

Speaker 4 They've been extinct for 10,000 years, and scientists used like old DNA from fossils and just remade dire wolves. This seems bad.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, the source I saw said that they use DNA that's like somewhere between 10,000 and 72,000 years old to recreate these wolves. Why?

Speaker 7 But then, but then, Hank, I dug a little bit deeper and went to a better source, Alex Jones.

Speaker 7 And Alex Jones says that the wolf resurrection story is tied to gain of function bioweapon research. So I don't know if we should be so pumped up about these dire wolves.

Speaker 7 Then I actually went back and read a real source, and they said that with these wolves, they took gray wolves and then they altered their genetics.

Speaker 7 So it's not like they're getting old DNA and just like duplicating them. They're taking existing gray wolf DNA and then going in and fucking with it.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's Planet of the Apes.

Speaker 1 Isn't it Jurassic? I've never seen Jurassic Park

Speaker 1 Park.

Speaker 4 And Planet of the Apes.

Speaker 1 Is it more Jurassic Park? I think it's more.

Speaker 7 The entire plot of Jurassic Park was there's a zoo and we found dino DNA. And bingo, dino DNA.

Speaker 1 It's bad. This is really bad.
Why are we doing this?

Speaker 7 I'm okay with it because it does bring us closer to potentially doing an actual Jurassic Park, which I think would be bad.

Speaker 1 Which would be bad.

Speaker 7 That'd be a great idea. Really bad.
You wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park.

Speaker 1 I didn't go see the movie.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but in real life,

Speaker 7 if there's a zoo and it's like we got a fucking T-Rex, and then over here we got Triceratops and you could pet the Triceratops. You'd say, not for me?

Speaker 1 I think I'd just look from afar and by a far mean on my phone.

Speaker 7 Jurassic Park is one of those things that it's a piece of art and it's a book and a movie that's supposed to warn us about the dangers of playing God.

Speaker 7 To me, when I see that, I'm like, we should do that.

Speaker 7 I want to see Dinosaur in real life.

Speaker 9 I think I'm good with the dire wolf. I don't really want to fuck with the dire wolf.

Speaker 1 I'm cool with it. We need horses.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it makes no sense. Although, cool in Game of Thrones, but that's Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 That's Game of Thrones.

Speaker 4 I don't want real life to be Game of Thrones.

Speaker 7 I actually didn't know that Dire Wolves were a real thing outside of Game of Thrones.

Speaker 4 Me neither, until I saw, I thought it was like a parody thing. I thought I was reading like a Game of Thrones Twitter account, and I was like, oh, this is real.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 This is bad.

Speaker 7 Wait, you actually wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park? I didn't see the movie. No, but you wouldn't go see a fucking park.

Speaker 1 I'd have to see the movie first, and I'm not going to see the movie.

Speaker 7 I would go see Raptors. It'd be sweet, man.

Speaker 1 I'd feel like a fraud going to the Jurassic Park without seeing the movie first.

Speaker 5 I'm the biggest loser. I've only seen Jurassic Jurassic World.

Speaker 1 I've never seen Jurassic Park. That's worse than never seeing Jurassic World.
Yeah, I'm actually the same.

Speaker 4 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 I love that. Love that.
Yeah, I mean, I've had this theory. People know, AWLs know, I had this theory that everyone has one or two of these movies.

Speaker 1 We did a Mount Rushmore last year of just one or two of these movies you just didn't see and you just haven't seen and you probably won't see.

Speaker 5 I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 1 It shocks everyone. I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 5 That's a promise to you.

Speaker 1 I don't care.

Speaker 5 Well, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 Were you promising me? The listener? Oh,

Speaker 1 I was like, you were looking right at at me. I was like, I don't give a fuck if you watch it or not.

Speaker 7 Didn't we say when we did the Mount Rushmore that whatever we put on our Mount Rushmore, we were making a promise to never see?

Speaker 1 I didn't put that on my Mount Rushmore. I didn't put that on my Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 4 I will not be seeing it.

Speaker 4 My cool throne is Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 4 A video footage released of her scoring 22 points in two minutes against an Iowa men's scout team in scrimmage.

Speaker 4 She was hitting like half-court runners with a hand in her face. It looks like AI.

Speaker 4 It looks like one of those old commercials, you know, like Michael Vick, LeBron, when they shoot from full court or throw a football through the roof.

Speaker 4 Like, she was just pulling up, contested, basically at half-court, swishing everything. Yep.

Speaker 1 Amazing. Ultimate Cool Throne.
Yeah. Also, the ratings are like.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was 10 million less for the national championship this year.

Speaker 4 And that's why. Clips like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, she's insane.

Speaker 7 I still think Paige Becker is going to be a better pro.

Speaker 1 Kayla Clark's really good.

Speaker 7 I know. I know.
I think Paige is going to be better.

Speaker 1 I'm a Juju guy. We'll see if she gets back from her ACL.
Yeah, these shots are insane. Absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 Imagine being one of these guys that plays. Because these guys who play against the women's team are good basketball players.
Yeah. Like they're like guys who are good in high school.

Speaker 1 Actually, it looks like Max is playing center there. I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 There's a lot of headbands out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Now that I'm looking at it again, that's Max playing center.

Speaker 7 The guy wearing like three shirts and sweating through all of them. Yeah.
Yeah. So, I mean, these are impressive shots no matter who is playing on defense.

Speaker 1 Yes, agreed.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFD, your hot seat cool throne.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, Hank stole my hot seat.

Speaker 7 Good job, Hank. Thank you.

Speaker 7 My cool throne is Jinx's because I jinxed myself on Monday's part of my take hard.

Speaker 7 Hard during the Uber Eats ad read,

Speaker 7 saying it had been like four, four and a half, five months since I've I've been in the wrong place. I came in on Monday and I ordered my lunch to my house.

Speaker 7 Hank, by the way, Hank just got up and left in the middle of an episode.

Speaker 7 You'll see when we start to interview Shane Bacon later on in today's episode, he walks in and he does the nicest, most casual little stroll.

Speaker 7 Like he's out for a Sunday walk to pick up the paper at the end of the driveway. Have you ever seen the movie Signs? Remember when the alien comes by for the first time?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's what Hank does across the camera. And then he sits down and Max is like, what's going on?

Speaker 7 And then Hank gets mad mad at max he gets mad at me for telling him hey we started the interview already he looks at his watch like you guys are the ones we started i think a minute early maybe and he was like i thought we were starting at nine i think maybe he said i thought we were starting at 9 45 and when he texted me it was 9 45.

Speaker 1 what what is something on fire his his his car better be on fire the way he just walked out mid-sentence on you he did just say what he texted us saying one second sorry PFT, that was rude.

Speaker 7 It was, I mean, it's not rude because I've come to expect this from you.

Speaker 1 That's true. That was literally mid-sentence.
He just stood up and left.

Speaker 7 He's like, I got done talking about the video that I saw Dave tweet earlier and an article that I saw somebody else retweet yesterday. So I'm going to get up.
My job here is done.

Speaker 1 My job's done. See you guys.
Where the fuck is it?

Speaker 7 What am I going to talk about for hot seat? Let me see what Dave said. All right.
Yeah, I'll just say that.

Speaker 5 Oh, he's going to be so upset that this conversation.

Speaker 7 I mean, you can't

Speaker 1 leave right in front of us and expect us to be like, oh, okay. If he had said something to us, like, hey, I got to go shit.

Speaker 7 All right. He's probably jacking off.

Speaker 1 So you did sing again?

Speaker 7 Actually, all that master's talk.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so on Monday, the very next meal that I had after I made the statement of what the hot streak I've had,

Speaker 7 yeah, just sent it to the wrong place. And it's in my house still because I brought it in when I got home.
That's such a sad thing to bring inside.

Speaker 7 You have the front door, and here's a six-hour-old lunch. Yeah, that's it.
And you just bring it inside and put it and stare at it for the rest of the day.

Speaker 1 Don't say anything because I'm going to use it as my hot seat because he stole mine. Okay.

Speaker 7 So that's my cool throne is Jinx's. So reset the counter to zero.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, my hot seat is Hank.
What was that?

Speaker 7 I said sorry.

Speaker 1 But what happened?

Speaker 4 Someone was calling me like three times in a row.

Speaker 1 I thought it was an emergency. Who was it?

Speaker 4 My buddy, Jack.

Speaker 4 I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 1 Is Jack okay? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We thought there was like a car on fire.

Speaker 4 I would have said it's an emergency. I just did you want it?

Speaker 1 We also talked about the fact that you walked Saundered right in front of the camera to start Shane Bacon.

Speaker 4 I walked it at four, whatever, 9.44.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 the interview had started.

Speaker 1 Max has time stamps to say differently.

Speaker 9 That's not what I said.

Speaker 5 That's not what I said. When did he text you? I literally said exactly that.
I said the interview started in

Speaker 5 one minute early.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was confused. I thought I was like 15 minutes late because you guys were in rhythm.

Speaker 1 Is everything okay?

Speaker 4 Everything's fine. I said,

Speaker 4 I would have said it was an emergency.

Speaker 4 I said I'm going to call him back.

Speaker 1 I thought it was an emergency.

Speaker 7 I didn't get the text until after you had left, and I was like, that was

Speaker 7 a confident text.

Speaker 11 She still listened to the last five minutes.

Speaker 4 I said one second. Sorry.

Speaker 4 Good text, yeah.

Speaker 1 You did.

Speaker 1 All right, that was my hot seat because I was Dire Wolf, too.

Speaker 7 So thanks.

Speaker 1 Actually, you know what? Credit to Hank.

Speaker 7 He gave me a hot seat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 I needed one. Yep.

Speaker 7 I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 What about hot seat Drake May? Because the the Boston media is asking if Drake May is a little bit of a diva getting Joe Milton. Fucking Boston media.

Speaker 3 What happened?

Speaker 7 You are the Boston media.

Speaker 1 False. What happened?

Speaker 4 Nothing.

Speaker 4 They're looking for clicks.

Speaker 1 This is like a tale as old as time.

Speaker 7 I think Joe Milton wanted an opportunity to compete for a starting job.

Speaker 4 Drake May doesn't make personnel decisions.

Speaker 1 I missed this. This is an actual story.
No.

Speaker 1 Drake May's.

Speaker 1 Joe Milton's not.

Speaker 1 This is very funny because it's not like Joe Milton's been in the league for like five years. Like, it's my time.
This isn't like a Steve Young, Joe Montana situation.

Speaker 7 I think he would like a place where he can compete to be a starter potentially at some point. I don't know.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't. I feel like if he goes to,

Speaker 7 okay, in his wildest dreams, if Dak gets injured, which probably that would never happen, but if it did, and he got in and he played awesome, you could see a world where the Cowboys would be like, we're going to go with Joe Milton down the line.

Speaker 7 If Drake May got banged up, out for like four weeks, no chance he loses his job.

Speaker 1 You guys are delusional about Joe Milton.

Speaker 1 I am not.

Speaker 1 I Joe Milton stinks.

Speaker 7 I love watching Joe Milton.

Speaker 5 I'm delusional about Joe Milton. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I am knowingly delusional.

Speaker 1 There's a difference between saying you think he's good.

Speaker 7 I think he is fun. He's so fun.

Speaker 5 When he's not good. We never said he was good.
We said he was fun.

Speaker 7 But when he's good. I don't think he's very good.

Speaker 1 I don't even think he's good enough to be fun.

Speaker 7 Oh, he is. When he throws the ball and it goes, dude, he threw an orange 106 yards.
I saw it.

Speaker 1 And then he threw it, and then he threw an orange 106 yards on a five-yard out.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 That sounds fun.

Speaker 1 That sounds fun.

Speaker 5 I wish he wasn't on the Cowboys. Me and Peter.

Speaker 1 I also bet on him.

Speaker 5 I had offline conversations about this.

Speaker 1 I bet on him the game that he went out of bounds at the end.

Speaker 7 That was tough.

Speaker 1 I'll never think he's fun.

Speaker 7 That was not fun. That was a not fun thing that he did, but when he just lets it rip.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 And then my cool throne, PFT alluded to this with our Shane Bacon interview, but the cool tone is the master's food because the worst person you know has come out and said that it stinks. Ravel,

Speaker 1 this was like four or five days ago. He said, spoiler alert, talking about the master's food.
It tastes as good as the price.

Speaker 1 Not a single item outside Augusta National will get any attention on its merits alone. There, I said it.

Speaker 7 Thank God he said it.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Darren. Oh, I needed that.

Speaker 7 So this reasonably priced,

Speaker 7 I say even affordable sandwich that you can buy at the best golf tournament in the world that tastes very good is not like Jose Andres chef quality.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Okay.
Yep.

Speaker 7 You know what? All the worst teams have the best food.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 The White Sox

Speaker 7 have incredible food.

Speaker 1 Didn't

Speaker 1 Coastal Carolinas had free concessions for the entire year? Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's awesome. Yeah.
Let people enjoy things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 the worst. He really is the worst.
It's really hard to like make the Masters not fun.

Speaker 1 He found a way to do it.

Speaker 7 You think Ravel has, like, a 40-year-old barbecue sandwich from Augusta, like, in a glass case in his collectibles room?

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Or maybe, like,

Speaker 1 probably a piece of the tree that almost killed someone would be more up his alley.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If there's been a death at Augusta, he's definitely got the death certificate.

Speaker 1 This person died at Augusta. I think...

Speaker 7 Wait, was it the dude that, like, one of the first guys that started it, killed himself in one of the lakes there? So he's got his noose. Yeah,

Speaker 7 he's got the bullet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interviews. We've got Max Homa and then Shane Bacon talking more masters.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, our good friend, Max Homa.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very special guest, our good, good friend. It is tradition.
It's Masters Week, so we have Max Homo with us.

Speaker 1 Max, thank you for coming on. Thank you for always showing up for the pod.
I guess my first question is, how are you feeling?

Speaker 1 I'm feeling about the Dodgers. Sorry, you didn't let me finish.
About the Dodgers.

Speaker 13 Oh, we just lost a series, dude. Like, that's just unacceptable.

Speaker 13 It's really unacceptable. They shouldn't ever lose a series.
So pretty devastated to have lost our second game of the season.

Speaker 13 Hopefully 160 and 2 is still alive. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It'd be nice.

Speaker 1 Shohei's pretty damn good. That's got to feel good.

Speaker 13 Fuck, dude, he's so good. I was thinking about it.
There's so rare that there's an athlete that has hype in certain games and actually like pulls it off. Bryce Harper does it a lot.

Speaker 13 But Shohei, like last year, he needed, I think it was like two homers and a steal to get 50-50 or something. He had the greatest baseball game of all time.

Speaker 13 And then last week or early this week, he had his own bobblehead night, bottom of the ninth, first pitch, sent it, walk off. And it's just like, how the fuck do you do this? Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's got a great sense of the moment. Yeah.
And congrats on your Lakers, by the way.

Speaker 7 All things coming up, Max.

Speaker 13 Dude, other than my own golf game, this shit is fucking on fire lately. Everything, everything, maybe I needed to suck for my teams to thrive.
I know Hank's enjoyed watching LeBron.

Speaker 13 It's been quite the ride this season. I did not think they were going to be that good, so this is kind of shocking.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So

Speaker 1 how's everything else going? I know it hasn't been the best start to the year.

Speaker 1 I actually have some things to pick you up if you want me to. If you want me to just hop right into it.

Speaker 1 Dude, hop in. Okay.
All right. So I was looking it up.

Speaker 1 I have three different publications that called you a star or a superstar. So the Daily Express said PGA superstar splits up with Caddy on eve of Masters as statement issued.

Speaker 1 Then the Irish Star said Masters star issues emotional statement after splitting from Caddy days before August. We can just pretend the other stuff isn't happening.

Speaker 1 Just the star is what we're focusing on. And the Mirror US said PGA Tour star splits with long-term Caddy just days before Masters.
So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 13 And those are three massive publications. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they are.

Speaker 13 I am subscribed to all three twice each. Yes.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, that feels good. Okay.
All those,

Speaker 13 those are great headlines.

Speaker 1 Also, also, I did some deep dives into some stats.

Speaker 1 Do you know that this year at the Valero, your last round that you played at the Valero, which is the tournament right before the Masters,

Speaker 1 you actually drove the ball farther than your last round at the Valero last year when you went and finished third in the Masters, and higher driving accuracy this year than last year in your last round at the Valero.

Speaker 1 And last year, your last round at the Valero, you shot a 70. This year, 71.
So kind of right there.

Speaker 13 I've honestly been looking for some momentum, and I can't lie, that is absolutely what I've been looking for.

Speaker 13 The only hard difference is my last round of Valero last year was on a Sunday and this year was a Friday.

Speaker 1 Last round, you missed the part where we had the details. I'm not a details.
This round is last round.

Speaker 13 This is what I've been missing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're a superstar that's like, actually, you could say playing your best golf right now.

Speaker 7 And you were probably exhausted last year because you had to play twice as much golf the weekend before.

Speaker 1 True. Good point.

Speaker 13 That's, dude, all season. I don't think people, people use this chestnut checkers things way too liberally.
I am actually doing, I am the freshest person here.

Speaker 13 I have not played a weekend in over like a month and a half. And I have been getting more rest, more

Speaker 13 time on my couch. Like all these guys are going to be exhausted by the time the tournament comes and I am just cruising on it.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 7 so this might be a dumb question, but if we're trying to find silver lining here, are you at a point where you're able to just say fuck it this week? Like, are we going to see fucking Max?

Speaker 13 My wife kind of pointed out, she goes, this kind of just feels like a golf tournament this year.

Speaker 13 Again, it does. There's not a whole lot of hype for myself.
So maybe it is just fly under the radar.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think it's a good spot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also, here's a little tip for you.
If things don't go well this week, just get your kid and put him on your lap for your interview. Use him as a human shield.
That always works.

Speaker 1 Work for Nick Siriani.

Speaker 13 I have learned that from Sirianni at the press conference. It was a genius.
I wrote it down. I said, if you ever are struggling, human shield the kid.
He won't remember. He's too young.

Speaker 13 So I think that's always a play. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, you have a question?

Speaker 1 He does later on.

Speaker 7 Hank was getting real close to the mic with an open mouth. So that's my cue.

Speaker 7 I mean, I have questions.

Speaker 1 I can wait. Yeah, he's going to wait.
He has a couple questions. All right.
So let's talk about it for real, though, because obviously it hasn't gone great. Your split with Joe sucks.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't want to have you talk at length about it, but

Speaker 1 how did that conversation go? It had to have sucked. You guys have been childhood friends.
You've been together forever.

Speaker 1 But was it something that you kind of felt like, all right, I got to change something?

Speaker 7 He probably feels it.

Speaker 1 We both feel it.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, this is just the part of the game because everyone kind of goes through this.

Speaker 13 Yeah, first and foremost, I didn't do it so um that that was hard i wasn't like

Speaker 13 massively shocked because it's obviously been really hard uh

Speaker 13 on him um

Speaker 13 but it's just it's it's tough i always promised that we were like friends first and

Speaker 13 if he didn't want to do it like he obviously like i'd rather be his friend um

Speaker 13 than than like stretch something out and like maybe we resent each other or whatever.

Speaker 13 So looking back now, it was tough the first few days to like process, but looking back, like I'm glad that you know he stepped up and did what he wanted to so that you know, we won't, we don't have any like ill will

Speaker 13 against each other. So, I think that was good, but I mean, it does suck.
Like, the dude is one of my favorite people on the planet. We've made like some awesome memories.

Speaker 13 Um, so you don't ever want to like sully that, but it uh

Speaker 13 yeah, it's just it's I guess it's just the ebbs and flows of like life in this game, and it's stressful. And I think a lot of it, you know, we get shown so much, and

Speaker 13 you know, we're making bogeys and birdies, but like there's a we have a teammate that's going through it as well, and they don't have near as much control over if I'm doing well.

Speaker 13 He could have the best week of his like career as far as just like saying the right things and doing everything right, but if I'm not executing, it doesn't reflect well on him. And I, you know,

Speaker 13 it's a tough job. And, but it does, it just sucks.

Speaker 13 but um like i said it's i'm proud and happy that he spoke up when when he felt that because um you know you don't want to like i said drag some on and ruin a relationship for i mean it's been 28 years i've known him so um now we can just go back to to being boys playing golf at home um

Speaker 13 and i still want to beat his ass when we play at home so yeah nothing's really changed too much i just might see him a little bit less was was there a part of you in the first couple days after where you like wanted to send him a text being like why couldn't you just cheated on me?

Speaker 1 Like, why couldn't I caught you with another guy's bag? Or something like that? Would have been easier that way?

Speaker 13 Yeah, honestly, yeah, that would actually have been pretty awesome.

Speaker 13 He actually caddied the weekend at the players and

Speaker 1 I had to see it on TV. I caught you, bitch.

Speaker 1 Makes it a little less messy. Now, your new caddy,

Speaker 1 how's he with like people like, I don't think, I think the AWLs don't yell anything anymore, which I hope they've fallen in line, But have you given them any briefing with that?

Speaker 13 I have not.

Speaker 13 There was a great,

Speaker 13 great AWL contingent last week in San Antonio, and I heard some spicy meatballs. And I keep waiting for him to ask me, but I'm going to wait for him to ask before I bring it up.

Speaker 13 This week won't be a good one for him to know because I don't think anyone's got the guts to yell here.

Speaker 13 But next week, next week is the two-year anniversary of that lady calling me a pervert and Joe went into Luke's mind. That's when he started his hiatus against you guys.

Speaker 13 So I think we might have some explaining next week, but I'm waiting for him to ask.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, Smart.

Speaker 7 What's the process like for finding a new caddy? How do you evaluate the guy and be like, I think you could work with me?

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's kind of messed up because like I like, you know, since it wasn't, obviously, like I said, my idea, I hadn't really thought about it at all. I called,

Speaker 13 I thought about it for a while. It's kind of a weird time of year because this doesn't,

Speaker 13 it's not, you know, sometimes in the offseason, there's like a always seems to be like a mass exodus and there's some shifts going on.

Speaker 13 But I called Bones, who's like one of the greatest caddies, if not the greatest caddy of all time,

Speaker 13 legend, won a bunch of majors and all that. And I called him for advice.
I was like, what, what do you think I should do? Who should I hire? And he mentioned my caddies, Bill Harkey.

Speaker 13 And he's like, I think you should call Bill. And I've actually had Bill filled in for Joe once when Joe had something going on a year or two ago.
And I don't, it just had slipped my mind.

Speaker 13 So it was like perfect advice. So gave Bill a call.
Fortunately, he was free. And yeah, last week obviously didn't go great with the actual scores, but I thought the vibe was really good.

Speaker 13 We get along. It's tough because he's a Bay Area guy.
So he likes the Giants and the Warriors. So that's like a bit of a...

Speaker 13 of a clash, but it does give me a reason to like talk shit to him. And I think I am at my best when I'm talking shit.

Speaker 13 So I need, I need my my teams to keep being good and the Giants to keep sucking, although they're kind of good this year. And I think

Speaker 13 that might be like the catalyst.

Speaker 7 Did the thought cross your mind? You know, Jersey Jerry's got some caddying experience.

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 1 I wish he DM me, Matt.

Speaker 1 I love Caddy out. What did he say?

Speaker 13 Remember, I think I texted you, Big Cat. He DM'd me.
He goes, hey, Matt, I would love to caddy for you sometime. And I texted you something about Jerry messaged me.

Speaker 13 And you're like, Oh, I did tell him that you go by Matt.

Speaker 14 I'm pretty out on

Speaker 13 nice guy, funny guy. I don't think we would, we would work too well together.
He, he seems, uh,

Speaker 13 he seems like a liability. Yes, yeah,

Speaker 13 at least at Augusta, there's just no, no way they'd let him in here.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, can you vape at Augusta?

Speaker 7 That's that might be a breaking point for me.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 13 I think all any question you have, Jerry would find out within the first day on Monday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. You also like, it would definitely, by day two,

Speaker 1 you would have to carry your own bag because Jerry would be like, My legs hurt too much.

Speaker 1 I'll still, I'll still be here. It's a fact, yeah.
All right, so so, and obviously, the game we're working on stuff. Uh, is it there?

Speaker 1 You made a lot of changes because you have the caddy change, you've changed, you changed your swing coach, right?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I've changed damn near everything. Uh,

Speaker 13 yeah, it's been chaotic. Uh, clubs, coach, trainer, caddy,

Speaker 13 clothes.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 13 I kept my beard. Somebody told me to shave, go back to the mustache.
They thought that might fix it, but I just thought that that was just too much.

Speaker 13 That would be one change too many.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just a soul patch. That would also bring back the pervert comments.

Speaker 13 Exactly. I just, I feel like that's dying down, and I just can't.

Speaker 13 I can't make that.

Speaker 13 Although when that was going on, I was playing pretty fucking well.

Speaker 1 Bro, don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Listen, I don't want to bring it back.

Speaker 1 but it just, I mean,

Speaker 13 if you want, it's like I sacrificed it and it was, it went, it went wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if it listen, we, we can hit the nuclear code, but we're not going to, but you just tell us.

Speaker 13 If you give us the word, I think I need that pressure on me to play well without having to hit that button because I don't want that at all. Yes.

Speaker 13 But like, just maybe I need to know that if that, if it comes to it, like we might need to do it.

Speaker 13 Maybe that will motivate me better than just supporting my family family and eating food yeah we're happy to threaten you with that as much as you need

Speaker 7 just just know that we might do it we might go like hank might go rogue and be like okay it's time to let's go back to the old us let's go new

Speaker 13 i gotta i gotta tell y'all a story uh i i don't think i've told you guys i think it was last year At Bay Hill is the tournament. It's Arnold Palmer's tournament.

Speaker 13 And every year we get there, I'm always like reminded from his stories how good he was with the fans. And sometimes, you know, I can get my head down.

Speaker 13 I hope I haven't told you guys this already and uh so i was like you know what i'm gonna do better i'm gonna you know be more open you know when i'm playing and whatever and on wednesday i'm signing autographs walk into uh between holes and this this older guy comes up he goes hey do you mind signing something for my son and i you typically don't personalize stuff because one you can just write their name on it and they will never know it wasn't me um but he asked me to do it i was like you know what i'm going to turn a new leaf so i said yeah what's your son's name and he says whatever and i write dear him and then his dad's like yeah can you just say you know happy birthday so and so uh from your fave favorite pervert and i'm like writing all this as i go and i get to that and i just stopped i'm like here you go man like did you hear what you just said like to an adult and i just like had to leave i was like there that that that shows you why you don't you don't turn new leaves you just

Speaker 1 keep keep it the same that's incredible so this guy was 60 he has no idea what he's what's going on he had to like he didn't even second guess his son oh that's amazing so so with all the changes, do you feel?

Speaker 1 I've read some of the stuff you talked. And the one thing that I always give you credit for is like, you are very open about what you're going through and trying to figure it all out.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you're starting to turn a corner with all this change? Because it is a lot of change.

Speaker 13 Yeah, the change actually hasn't. It's just been the swing changes.
And like, it's complicated

Speaker 13 to explain because... I mean, people think I'm crazy.
I think my wife thinks I'm nuts, but it feels incredible.

Speaker 13 Like,

Speaker 13 feel it's felt better and better every week.

Speaker 13 There's little things in like tournaments that it's just I don't trust things, and like I have new misses, and you know, golf is you know, the cliches, it's a game of misses, so you kind of play off.

Speaker 13 Like, you know, I typically always missed the ball right, like my whole career, and now it's been less of that. But I have like this, it's like a subconscious fear of right.

Speaker 13 So, it's like trying to just get comfy. But like, I literally, I just played the front nine at Augusta about three hours ago.
I had the craziest day ever. I shot like seven under and nine holes.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 13 I know it's in there, but I've been doing that a decent amount just in practice. Like last week, my practice Monday to Wednesday was a joke.

Speaker 13 And then I go out there and I'm four over through four in the tournament when it matters. So all this to be said,

Speaker 13 it does feel good, but I mean, obviously it's got to show up. when it actually matters at some point.
But it's not for lack of effort. And I don't mind, you know, talking about it and being

Speaker 13 vulnerable about it because I do know that,

Speaker 13 you know, some people like to just play it cool and, you know,

Speaker 13 just avoid it. But I do think that you owe stuff to the fans at times.

Speaker 13 And I've been really lucky to have some pretty awesome support from everybody, especially, you know, through you guys and the AWL.

Speaker 13 So I don't, I mean, it doesn't like hurt me to talk about what I'm going through. I know I'm trying my ass off to not suck.

Speaker 13 And I do think that's important, but it does suck to suck. So at some point, hopefully this flips around, hopefully this week.

Speaker 13 I didn't necessarily prove I could win, as you always ask, about this tournament, but I can sure shit get third. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 13 third sounds okay right about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, it sounds like we're close if you're shooting seven under on a practice round.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just for nine holes.
That's moving. We're very close, Matt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and also, I would imagine, like, I know, obviously, you have to do it on the weekend and you have to do it in the tournament, but I would imagine that it's a lot better of a problem when you know that you can do it in practice and then it's maybe not showing up versus like if you just sucked in practice too.

Speaker 1 That would probably be like, holy shit, do I just suck at golf now?

Speaker 13 That was, that was kind of the whole thing of last year, like pretty much after Augusta, right after May, like every week.

Speaker 13 My practice wasn't very good. I wasn't playing well at home.
And it felt like when I got to the start of the round on Thursday, like I, I was.

Speaker 13 If it didn't go well, like I kind of knew it wasn't going to because I just like didn't really feel good about it. I could piece some things together here and there, but it wasn't good.

Speaker 13 And then kind of early this year through like the middle of January, it felt similar where it just was like is

Speaker 13 just didn't feel great. And then it clicked around,

Speaker 13 it clicked at the waste management in Phoenix. Again, I grasp this all sounds crazy because I've missed all these cuts since, but I started to feel good.
And when I was home, it felt good. And

Speaker 13 some practice rounds were really good.

Speaker 13 like definitely haven't felt like that. It's more frustrating, I guess, in a way, because when I do go to Thursday, Thursday, I'm like super jazzed to play.

Speaker 13 And then I bogie the first few and I'm in the same exact spot. But I see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I just think the tunnel is like really, really long, like way too long. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, listen, I think you think that you're close and I believe you. So

Speaker 7 I want this to be the weekend. That'd be great if this was like the start of the turnaround for Max.

Speaker 1 That sounds so nice. Think about that.

Speaker 7 If you finish top 10, you have to come back on the show on Monday.

Speaker 13 Dude, 100%. I'll take that as like a victory lap at this point.

Speaker 7 All right, deal. So one of the big changes at Augusta this year is the app, the Masters app, the best app in sports.
I assume that you download the app before you go there.

Speaker 7 We're going to get to see every single shot from the range sessions from everybody. Oh, for real? So, yeah.
So now we're going to be like, oh, he's hitting the ball well. at the range.

Speaker 7 And then we're going to be able to figure out if we want to bet on that guy or not.

Speaker 7 In your experience, have you always played the best after you have good range sessions?

Speaker 7 Or is it one of those things where you've had the worst range sessions and then gone out there and shot the best round of your life

Speaker 13 i've rarely done the latter um i've had some like surprisingly good rounds after i've been terrible uh warm-up sessions but like a range sessions but never like the best round uh

Speaker 13 I also have, you know, had the best range sessions of my life and then gone out and laid an egg. So I'm not a good one to like

Speaker 13 base it off of. I do know there's some guys I've seen Justin Thomas do it.
I remember he walked off a range in Chicago like four or five years ago at the BMW.

Speaker 13 And he, I went to go say hi to him, and he was white as a ghost. And I was like, man, that must have been a bad warm-up.
And then he went out and shot something like 62.

Speaker 13 And I texted him like a couple of days after. I was like, what the hell, dude? Like, you look like you were going to cry.
He goes, that was the worst warm-up I've ever had in my life.

Speaker 13 And he ended up winning the golf tournament. I'm not quite like, I can't, I haven't quite done that one yet.
So

Speaker 13 definitely, like, I need, in a way, some kind of good juju as the uh warm-up goes, but I've seen some guys hit some awful golf shots, and you go out and you think to yourself, oh, he's got, he doesn't have it.

Speaker 13 And you look at the leaderboard, and he'll be right near the top. So, I think it's uh, it's to each their own on that one.

Speaker 7 What do you think about when you're practicing on the range when you're getting ready for a round?

Speaker 7 Because I, when I go out there, I'm like, I'll hit uh like four shots with every club and then hope that maybe like two out of the four look like golf shots.

Speaker 7 They go up, yeah, they're relatively straight, then they go like kind of far. That's what I'm hoping for.
What are you doing on the range?

Speaker 1 Forward, yeah.

Speaker 13 Forward's good.

Speaker 13 I'm similar, man.

Speaker 13 I'll take maybe three out of four. Each club would be good.
I should, maybe that's what I should do, PFT, is hit each, every one of my golf clubs on the range.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And just start eliminating the ones that aren't working. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm more like, I run through a little bit of technique stuff, but then I try to just like, I work my way up towards driver, but I try to hit, you know, left to right, straight, right to left.

Speaker 13 And part part of it is to like get them clean and better, but also part of it is like, if one of those shots feels like shit, try to like avoid it when I'm out on the course and then, you know, fix it, fix it in post for your guys' world.

Speaker 13 But yeah, so it's just like kind of somebody once said it, you're just kind of getting in the engine running. Like, don't look too much into it.
Try to take some away from it.

Speaker 13 But like, like you said, there's days where like my driver feels bad on the range and I'll go out on the course and strike the first few and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 13 So I think not attaching yourself too much to the range session is probably the key, although I'm not the greatest at that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So the other change you made, which I actually am a very big proponent of, I wish I could, I actually texted you right after.
I was like, I'm jealous.

Speaker 1 You're off Twitter.

Speaker 1 Kudos to you. I wish that we could do the same.

Speaker 1 It is our job.

Speaker 13 You are so stuck.

Speaker 1 It's a little different than, like, actually, it would be the same thing if I was like, like, I quit golfing. And then you text me, like, dude, I'm so jealous.
I wish I could.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, we can't quit Twitter. But, so you're off Twitter, and some things have happened in the last month.
So, I compiled just a list of things that you missed.

Speaker 1 And if you wanted to just be aware of them, so that way you have a little bit of a base knowledge because you're not on Twitter.

Speaker 13 I didn't even know about this app, so hit me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, all right. So, there's this dude, Ashton Hall, who does these videos where he's.

Speaker 13 Oh, he's on TikTok. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, so you're on TikTok. So, you got him.
I saw that guy. Weird thing.

Speaker 1 Also, a TikTok guy. Have you seen the DoorDash guy that

Speaker 1 he kicks the DoorDash order, and then he gives the DoorDash person, the delivery person, a bunch of cash, and then he whispers to him, yeah, he whispers to him, I have four dead bodies in my basement.

Speaker 1 And then the person just like, person's like, all right, cool, dude. Like, you gave me the cash.
I'm not going to tell anyone.

Speaker 1 They're pretty cool. I'll send you one of those.

Speaker 1 That one's wild. Yeah, wild, wild.

Speaker 1 Let's see. I saw a guy get trampled to death by an elephant.
That was fucking crazy.

Speaker 13 Dude, the murder stuff on X, the Everything app, has gotten a little... That was definitely a part of the departure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That's part of the everything.
Yeah, that's part. That is the everything.

Speaker 13 I guess they're not lying.

Speaker 14 It's everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Rizzler threw out the first pitch at the Mets game.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 1 pretty good pitch. I actually didn't see that.
Dude, the thing is that he's the kid, right?

Speaker 13 That does the Josh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Minecraft is like a big thing. Everyone's just talking about it there's like brain i still don't get that i don't really know what that is yeah i'm okay with that too yeah uh torpedo bats

Speaker 1 i yeah i've noticed that one nine home runs first game yep you got that one could you imagine otani with a torpedo bat would be sick uh i got my account suspended um because i pretended to be hacked so that

Speaker 13 i heard i mean i do get that on the

Speaker 13 i think pft you said it was the the boy who cried wolf like yeah

Speaker 7 he had pretended to get hacked so much that when he actually got hacked, nobody believed that his account actually got shut down.

Speaker 7 It was poetic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then and then Rico Bosco drove a Greyhound bus. Well, he rode a Greyhound bus from New York to San Antonio.
You probably missed that because you weren't on Twitter.

Speaker 3 For real.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
He lost the bet. So.

Speaker 13 Oh, shit. Max had to be stoked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was very excited. So pretty much

Speaker 1 this exercise was you've made the right decision.

Speaker 7 You have missed absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 Outside of maybe

Speaker 1 Rizzler, the the mets game that one you should have seen max for the for the last like three months we've all been pretending that the sec sucks at basketball because they have a 500 record yeah so you missed out on that one you did miss out on i can't i can't live in a world where they're they're good at football and basketball it's it's painful it's bullshit yeah yeah so you missed nothing so good job getting off twitter i i am very jealous that felt nice yeah yeah yeah like when you it's one of those things where if you leave the internet for an hour you feel like you missed everything and then if you leave the internet for a week you're like like, oh, I didn't miss shit.

Speaker 1 Like, nothing really happened.

Speaker 13 You know how nice it is to have someone come up to me or text me a video and be like, look at this video and me not have to lie and be like, oh, wow, so funny.

Speaker 13 I didn't, totally didn't see that three days ago. I knew it before I even opened it.
Like, it's got embarrassing at some point. My wife and I talk about the videos now.

Speaker 13 She'll be like, you'll never believe this. And I'm like, no, you're right.
I would not have ever known that. Instead of lying and being like, oh, no, I didn't.
I saw that whilst driving.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, right.

Speaker 7 You also get to hear people explain to you internet stories, and they have to explain to you why they're important. And it always takes like 30 seconds.

Speaker 13 Whoever the new Rizzler becomes at some point, I want to meet somebody who has to explain that.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.
Yes. Yes.
That's, yeah, because explaining the Rizzler to common folk is very, it's very difficult to do.

Speaker 13 You can't, it's a no-win. And then if you start to talk about how his dad's not the Costco guy, it falls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You always have to have that conversation too. It's like, oh, now I get it.
That's his son.

Speaker 1 Actually, no, he has a son. No.

Speaker 7 And he's that guy.

Speaker 1 Hank, do you have any?

Speaker 13 I think quasi-adopted this guy.

Speaker 7 Do you have any questions for our dear friend Matt?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Matt, hey, what's up? Big fan.

Speaker 1 What's up, Matt with P?

Speaker 4 Matt, love what you're doing over on TikTok.

Speaker 4 I decided, you know, my personal golf game, something I've been working on this upcoming season is maybe taking more club and having a little more control than trying to hit

Speaker 4 the perfect number. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that going into the air.

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 13 That is a great question. That was way more serious than I thought.

Speaker 13 That is awesome.

Speaker 13 There's a saying when it's breezy, swing easy.

Speaker 13 So just

Speaker 13 employ that no matter if it's not windy at all. Does any of this have to do with the fact that PFT bombs it by you and then you felt for a while like you needed to have an ego?

Speaker 4 Yeah, only on the driver, but yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, it's more, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to eliminate the big mistakes and just try trying to hit consistent shots.

Speaker 7 What do you mean, only on the driver? Like, that's the only club that I hit farther than you?

Speaker 4 Well, consistently, I mean, you can't really hit the other clubs.

Speaker 1 That's fair.

Speaker 7 I quit playing golf. I'm only focusing on driver.

Speaker 13 Wait, it sounds like he hits all of the clubs two out of four times very well.

Speaker 7 That's a good point.

Speaker 4 He also, yeah, his distance, he hits it far, but it's usually like 20 feet over the green. But that's, that's, yeah.

Speaker 7 And I always feel awesome. I'm like, damn, I even, I clubbed down on that one and went too far.

Speaker 7 that's actually the best way to play golf. I've always said, Max, that it's way better to suck at golf than it is to be really good at golf.

Speaker 7 Because if you, if you're really good at golf, you hit one bad shot and you're like, fuck, and you get super pissed off. I suck at golf.

Speaker 7 If I hit one shot that looks like a golf shot per hole, I'm like, this is awesome. Playing golf is so much.
Pure joy. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah. Yeah.
I've been trying to do that. Like, like, when I hit a really good shot, I'll just sit there and be, and look around at my team and be like, let's just soak that one in, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 7 It's It's such a pure piece of joy. I love it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I do miss that. Hank, I think you're on the right track, though.
I respect that you've come to that.

Speaker 13 That is how I would say that's the road to good is to eliminate the big mistakes by not overswinging.

Speaker 7 I love that. I liked that.
Also implying that you're not good right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not. You're on the road to good.

Speaker 4 Another question.

Speaker 4 You and I back in the day used to run around Verdance collecting win after win in Call of Duty.

Speaker 1 We're back.

Speaker 4 The map came back. I was curious if you're going to get back into the game.

Speaker 13 I'm 100% getting back. I have one more tournament after next week, and I will be back.
My two of my buddies are coming this week, and they're like my crew I play with, Josh and Steven, and Zach.

Speaker 13 And Josh,

Speaker 13 he's never come here before. And he texts me and goes, dude, is it cool if I bring the Xbox and we game in the living room? I'm like, no, dude, that's like straight up not cool.

Speaker 1 I have my whole family here. I have my wife's friends here.
I also have to sleep. So we're like,

Speaker 1 also,

Speaker 1 like outside of him taking over your rental house in Augusta to play Call of Duty, I would be like, it's not cool because I would just be pissed I'm not playing with you guys. Like walking by your...

Speaker 13 They wouldn't even come to the range with me.

Speaker 1 They'll just fucking be gaming. I love that guy.

Speaker 1 That guy,

Speaker 1 wait, that was Josh who said that? Yeah. Josh rocks.
Dudes rock. Josh,

Speaker 1 you're welcome to play with Hank anytime because that guy will fucking rock. He's got his priorities set.
No,

Speaker 13 his priorities are always in check. He is definitely

Speaker 13 usually my buddy Steven, he comes every year, is my wife's punching bag.

Speaker 1 And I guarantee you, Josh takes over that this year.

Speaker 1 So fucking.

Speaker 7 Max, one thing that Hank is good at in golf is putting. He's become a good putter.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 I don't know if we've asked you this question before, but I'm always curious to know, like, at Augusta, if you dropped someone who's on the road to good, like Hank, but maybe a decent putter, if he got to start every hole at Augusta from the furthest point away from the hole on the green, so he just has to put, what do you think a guy like Hank would shoot?

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 7 Like, how hard are these greens?

Speaker 13 They're there if you got to actually place it on like what's the worst spot you could go to?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, the farthest spot every time.

Speaker 7 Farthest or worse, depending on the hole.

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah. I mean, shit.

Speaker 13 I mean, you wouldn't shoot like in the 80s, but how many times do you think you're going off the green?

Speaker 4 Like, like more than half?

Speaker 13 Early. I think you would catch on, but early, you're probably sitting at like a 60-40.
No, that's too high. Like a 40-60 rate.

Speaker 13 I just think you would three-putt like a lot, and you might sprinkle in a four-putt. I do think you would two-putt as the day went on because not every green's crazy.

Speaker 13 But you would just, I mean, that's a thing I would never suggest doing that. That would, that would humble you.
That would kill. That would suck.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 Like, because you would start on the green and still be making threes and fours a lot. So that would be tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That would be a good video. Yeah.
Hey, Augusta. You let you let Dude Perfect go down there with your tennis rackets.
Yeah, what the hell? Laser tagging shit on the fairways down there.

Speaker 7 Just let Hank putt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let Hank put. I like that.

Speaker 1 All right, Max, I got one last question. This has been fun catching up with you.
We're ready to go. Oh, you have one last question.
I have one.

Speaker 1 Favorite hole. All right.
A favorite hole.

Speaker 13 Fuck it. We did this last time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But do you have a new favorite?

Speaker 13 It can't get stuck in the same position as it was last time.

Speaker 13 So I'm just going to say the 13th hole at Augusta, the golf hole.

Speaker 1 Okay, no, the actual correct answer is mouth.

Speaker 7 Mine's the vagina.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 13 I wrote it down after last year's.

Speaker 13 Just didn't have the guts.

Speaker 1 All right, my last question.

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Speaker 1 Real question. So you're competing this week in the Masters.
PFD and I are actually competing in a similar

Speaker 1 tournament. We're in the mini, the Barstool Mini Golf tournament that is taking place.

Speaker 1 Oh, you did that last year, right? Yeah, so PFD and I are on the same team. We're doing teams.
We're doing Ryder Cup style.

Speaker 1 I am quintessential, like start hot and then just slowly like fade away and just become a head case.

Speaker 1 Are there any tips for putting and just not being an asshole at the end of the rounds like I usually am?

Speaker 13 I don't know if I'm the right guy to ask.

Speaker 1 No, you are. It's mini golf.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 13 the best advice for the mini golf thing is just like be sorry guys, my phone is dying. I'm just on the move.

Speaker 3 Be uh, what the fuck?

Speaker 13 hold on guys, we're about to have a uh a problem.

Speaker 14 We'll keep this in Phone's about to die.

Speaker 13 Here, let's try this one by the toaster. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 It'd be funny if Josh was already there and he already like fucked up a

Speaker 1 breaker. Yeah, he probably short-circuited his joints.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 creativity, dude.

Speaker 13 Just be creative, be a kid again, you know. Mini golf is for kids.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna become a kid again. I'm gonna become a kid again.

Speaker 7 Do you have any like funny one-liners that you can say when you're putting? Because I feel like I've heard them all.

Speaker 7 There's always an old guy of the course that's like the putts, like my junior prom, all lips, no hole. You know, that sort of thing, really get the boys laughing out there.

Speaker 13 That's that's a pretty much a banger. Uh, there's some, like, if you hit one, uh, didn't feel great, you say, uh,

Speaker 13 uh, that's or and it goes in a decent spot. You say something like that's a condom, it didn't feel great, but it's safe.

Speaker 1 That's that's a that one

Speaker 13 usually gets a couple chuckles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 13 The junior prom one's like all time, though. I don't know really how you beat that one.

Speaker 13 You're the jokes guy. I feel like you can make, you should start your own first one.

Speaker 1 I could, yeah.

Speaker 7 I'll tell you what, I'll write a couple bangers for it. I think it was actually when we were walking with you at the BMW here in Chicago, there was one of the guys that was in your pro-AM.
Yes.

Speaker 7 And he said that joke, I think, four times

Speaker 1 in six holes.

Speaker 7 Like he kept saying it, but there were different people around him. So he got to do the material again.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 13 he got to live like he got to live

Speaker 13 the most

Speaker 13 genuine laugh

Speaker 13 yeah that's the tough part about these programs is they i mean golf doesn't have like loads of jokes or lots of funny people and we abuse the same joke over and over again so you should be our hero and please give us a new joke okay left it a foot short story of my life oh that's a good one because i'm short nice that'll get some like you don't want to if only i had a couple more inches yeah you know what i mean yeah you don't want you don't want to have any really funny jokes they all have to be just kind of neutrally funny.

Speaker 1 It's like quickly appropriate.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Just like a quick laugh and we move on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 They're all like the, did you get that?

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 1 I need to repeat. Did you guys get it?

Speaker 13 And then everyone's like, yes.

Speaker 1 I'll give you a laugh.

Speaker 13 But then they take it and do the same thing.

Speaker 1 So it's all good.

Speaker 1 All right, Max. You're the best, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you. And

Speaker 1 let's go fucking shoot some low scores at Augusta. Let's talk the fucking world.
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
You can do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just maybe put like a picture of Shohei in your wallet and just look at him for inspiration.

Speaker 1 Like, if he can be so awesome, so can I.

Speaker 7 What the golf equivalent of Shohei be? Like a guy that can pitch and hit Caddy and golf?

Speaker 1 Caddy and golf at the same time.

Speaker 1 It's a low bar.

Speaker 13 We actually discussed that. It would be like Scotty Scheffler playing golf both right and left-handed and kicking our ass both ways.

Speaker 1 Yeah, uh-huh. I think it would just be you guys just not being pussies and carrying your own bag.
It's that low volume.

Speaker 13 Oh, that's actually way simpler and also

Speaker 13 feels way shittier, But you're actually

Speaker 1 just not being a bitch. Yeah, just carry on.

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 1 getting

Speaker 13 a federal investigation. We haven't had one of those, I don't think, out here.
So

Speaker 1 we need to branch out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Max.
You're the best, man. And yeah, we're rooting for you.
So let's go do it.

Speaker 13 Appreciate you guys. Hey, I love you guys.

Speaker 1 Love you too. Love you too, Max.
You're going to be great. See ya.

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Speaker 7 And now here's Shane Bacon.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. It is one of the, it actually is the best week of golf of the year.
It is Masters Week. We have Shane Bacon here.

Speaker 1 Shane will be on one of the feeds for masters.com all week, so make sure you check that out.

Speaker 1 Shane, Masters Week. There's nothing better.
How are the vibes? Are you in Augusta already?

Speaker 15 Yeah, in Augusta, vibes are high. Weather yesterday, not ideal.

Speaker 3 Obviously, it rained just like all afternoon, all evening, kind of rained into the night, but I think the weather the rest of the week is going to be pretty epic. So vibes are are high.

Speaker 3 Rory's all fired up. A lot of players are very, very excited about

Speaker 3 what the golf course looks like and how it's going to play. Obviously, had some damage from some of the weather, you know, like late last year.

Speaker 3 But I think the golf course is actually going to play a little bit better because of it.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like to hear that because we were saying, like, there's nothing that bums you out more than like looking at the forecast of Masters Week and seeing like a day where it's going to be, you know, they're not going to play or the rain's going to affect it.

Speaker 1 So, that's great.

Speaker 1 Now, let's, I don't know what direction we want to go in.

Speaker 1 I guess actually the most interesting storyline to me is this does feel, and you can judge this statement, this feels like this is going to be one of the best chances that Rory McElroy has to win the Masters because he is playing really good golf.

Speaker 1 Where is it mentally, though? Because that's kind of it for Rory the last few years, where it's not that he's been playing bad.

Speaker 1 It's that these tragic things keep happening at the end of championships or big tournaments.

Speaker 1 Is it there in between the ears for Rory this week?

Speaker 15 You know, it feels like it is.

Speaker 3 You know, Rory, when he was winning major championships, he was kind of the badass, if you will, that walked around the golf course.

Speaker 3 And I think Rory is such a normal person that as he's gotten a little bit older, he's lost a little bit of that. And it seems like it's back this year.

Speaker 3 I mean, just the way, even at the players, you know, he kind of loses the lead late, steps up in that playoff and hits like a 335-yard drive right down the middle.

Speaker 3 And it's like, yo, bro, come and catch me now. So I like the way he's gone about his business this year.
I like the way he's talking. He gets very excited about this tournament.

Speaker 3 I think a few years ago, you know, he holds that bunker shot and said it's the first positive vibes I've had here in about a decade. And obviously the game is there.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think that's more important even than the mental side of it is are you playing well? He's never won this many times on the PGA tour, headed into the masters.

Speaker 3 And I mean, I think he's the favorite. You know, you can say Scotty's the favorite.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Scotty's done some epic stuff over the last couple of years, but just in terms of playing good golf, Rory's playing as good at golf in the early part of the season as he's ever played.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And stealing people's phones. That's the edge.
That's the asshole Rory that maybe needs to come back. Tough to do it here, though.

Speaker 3 You know, tough spot to steal phones.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 7 That might throw him off, but it is maybe the most epic scenery ever to speed away after a disappointing loss, right? Like just peeling out down Magnolia Lane.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I'm assuming you still have to abide by whatever the speed limit is down that road, but

Speaker 1 maybe that's not. Kirby Smart would disagree.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 I had a question for you because I saw a journalist that's down there that had an interesting take on the scenery and the vibe at Augusta. Wanted to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 7 This individual said, not a single food item at Augusta National would get attention were it not for the cheap price.

Speaker 7 What would you score that take?

Speaker 3 It's a really bad take.

Speaker 3 Was that Revelle that said that? Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's a bad one.

Speaker 3 It's a pretty brutal one. I mean, you know, like I sit in this booth here for six or seven hours a day starting on Thursday.
I will have three pimento cheese sandwiches a day, likely.

Speaker 3 That's where I lean. I know

Speaker 3 you've had one before, PFT, but

Speaker 3 I think the food is great, and I think the ice cream sandwich is like one of the best ice cream sandwiches in the world.

Speaker 3 And obviously, the prices help, but you'd eat this stuff away from the golf course. You'd eat this stuff away from the masters.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's tough to make a bad pimento cheese sandwich, too. So, as long as it's fresh, then I think it's like a cheesecake idea.

Speaker 3 Like, if you mess that up, maybe don't cook.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 7 Go ahead. I was just going to ask an actual question about a golfer.
John Rahm is a guy that I'm keeping my eyes on.

Speaker 7 So according to, I think the World Golf Rankings, he's not playing good golf right now.

Speaker 7 But when you look at how he's actually been playing, when you watch him play, it seems like he's very capable of winning. Do you think that John Rahm has a chance to come back and win again?

Speaker 15 Absolutely. I mean, I think he's probably my top three favorites head into this week.

Speaker 3 Interesting fact about John Rahm. He's played 18 live events in his career, never finished outside the top 10.

Speaker 3 Now, you know, it's not as deep fields as you obviously see on the PGA tour at major championships, but top 10s are top 10s, and you're beating a lot of people in that regard.

Speaker 3 He's played solid this season as well. I think last year, in terms of the way John Rahm had to go about his business, joining Live, comes to all the majors.

Speaker 3 He even talked about it today in his press conference. It was awkward.

Speaker 3 I mean, and it was awkward for him to be answering those kind of pre-tournament questions always about why'd you leave and things like that. This year, it seems a little calmer for everybody involved.

Speaker 3 Obviously, a lot of stuff on the background happening, but in terms of the players, I don't think anybody really cares anymore where you play. You play Liv, you play PJ Tour, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3 Come here and show up and do what you're able to do. And I mean, John Rahm is the type of golfer, you know, players that play well at Augusta play well at Augusta.

Speaker 3 I know that seems like a simple statement, but the Jordan Speeds and the Scotty Schefflers and the Jack Nicholas and the Tiger Woods and the Phil Mickelsons, like these people show up whether they're in form or not, and they typically have good weeks.

Speaker 3 John Rahm's one of those players that shows up at Augusta and is going to play well simply because his game fits this golf course as well as anybody in the field.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The other storyline I thought of was, you know, Tiger Woods, such a force of nature in golf for the last 20 years.

Speaker 1 Even when he's not playing and he's missed some masters, he's still, you know, talked about.

Speaker 1 But this does feel like the first year where it's, I don't want to say it's over because I hope he plays again, but it does feel kind of over where it's like, you know, the Achilles injury and he already was already banged up and the leg problems.

Speaker 1 Is it, can you feel that vibe where it's like that force of nature is no longer here and it really is now the young guys and it's Scotty and it's Rory and it's John Rahm, and all these guys.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I mean, this is the opposite of the Ravel take, by the way, Big Cat.

Speaker 3 This is a very good take on your behalf, and I'm proud of you for it. Big J journalism stuff.

Speaker 3 Like, he sucks up a lot of oxygen at golf tournaments, major championships, whatever the case may be. We don't see him play a lot of golf, so when he shows up at the Masters, it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 People want to watch Tiger play golf. I have some friends that are coming for the first time this year, and the moment he announced the injury, it's like, oh man, I was so excited to watch Tiger.

Speaker 3 That being said, I think the focus right now is so much on Rory, Scotty, everybody else, so many young players. As you said, Big Cat, can Ludwig play like he did last year?

Speaker 3 I think people are kind of anticipating what to see for Max Homa this year at Augusta. Obviously, he's not playing his best golf, but he played so well here a year ago.
Those players are popular.

Speaker 3 You know, Victor Hovlin's popular. Xander Shoffley's popular.
John Rahm's popular.

Speaker 3 And I think right now the focus moves away from what are we going to see from this guy we hadn't seen play golf in eight months to let's watch the best players really when the gun goes off how they're going to be able to go about their business.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 7 Ludwig Aberg, he played really, really well last year. He had a great chance on Sunday until the back nine.

Speaker 7 Hank says that, no, he cannot play well at all.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
We got to put on Hank's mic.

Speaker 7 Hank disagrees.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 7 You shook your head no. Factor fiction.

Speaker 1 Hank not going to win?

Speaker 4 I'm just curious. No,

Speaker 4 I would like him to win. I'm just curious why his odds have been dropping so much this week.

Speaker 1 He's just been playing bad golf.

Speaker 3 He's just been missing cuts and he hasn't been very consistent. You know, he's one of those guys, like when it's dialed, he's extremely consistent and he's been extremely inconsistent this season.

Speaker 3 And I think when that's the case, it's hard to dive into a guy considering the way some of the other players are playing. I mean, we mentioned Rahm.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Scotty has improved a bit and he's coming off his best putting performance in like 18 months in Houston. I mean, that's a big deal for Scotty Scheffler, considering the ball striking.

Speaker 3 You know, there's Rory and everybody's talking about Rory. Even Xander playing pretty well at the Valspar after the injury.

Speaker 3 I think there's so many players that are quote unquote in form that it's hard to lean on a guy, even if he played well here a year ago.

Speaker 1 To Hank's point, when he's not playing great those odds are going to kind of continue to decrease how much of uh how much stock do you put in like how the guys are playing going into the masters or is it a tournament where everyone knows the course everyone's played the course that yeah you could be playing poorly and then you show up and it's like hey we're we all know this course and we all are ready to go like how much how much is it current form

Speaker 15 I think it's a big deal in terms of just the,

Speaker 3 you talked about the mental side of stuff for Rory. I think it's a huge, huge deal for these players because, you know, this is the date they circle, just like we circle it, right?

Speaker 3 We're so excited for April, you know, March madness ends and we roll right into the Masters. These players think about this thing for six months, you know?

Speaker 3 So I think when you're not playing well and you get to Augusta and you're searching on the driving range and you're going through practice rounds hoping to find something, I think that's hard to kind of get into a mental state where when Thursday starts, you know, people don't talk about how tough the first hole is at Augusta, right?

Speaker 3 I mean, you step on the first tee at St. Andrews or Pebble Beach, you know, it's relatively friendly handshake.
Augusta's first hole is one of the hardest first holes in all of golf.

Speaker 3 I'd say the only one that really rivals it is where they're playing the U.S. Open this year at Oakmont.

Speaker 3 Like that first hole will kick you right in the teeth, just like number one here at Augusta will.

Speaker 3 So when you're not in form and all of a sudden, you know, you're one over through three and you've got to play the toughest stretch of the golf course four through six, all of a sudden you're four over, it's a hard place to make up ground.

Speaker 3 So I think current form is as important as how you've played in this event over the years.

Speaker 7 So where are we at with Bryson and all this? Because I know that he's still, he's switching his ball, right?

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 7 going into Augusta, he's not sure what ball he's going to be playing.

Speaker 7 That doesn't seem like a great time to, when you're like Bryce and you micromanage every single part of your game, not knowing what ball you're going to be hitting feels like it's a big red flag for me, but maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 7 What do you think about that?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I don't love Bryson this week just simply because of form.

Speaker 3 I mean, to Big Cat's point about Ludwig, I think the same thing really about the way Bryson plays.

Speaker 3 Now, that being said, PFT, he's the same guy that changed his driver before the final round of the U.S. Open last year and then still went on to win.

Speaker 3 So obviously he isn't scared to like change stuff up in the golf bag. But I'm not, I don't love Bryson at Augusta in general.
I just don't think it's a great golf course for him.

Speaker 3 And I don't like him this week simply because of that. It's, there's too many touch shots around the green.
There's too many of these little feely shots. Bryson's a power guy.

Speaker 3 He can overpower Augusta. I mean, you know, they famously said it's a par 67.

Speaker 3 But I think in terms of how you've got to go about your business on this golf course and what's succeeded over the years here, guys like Scotty, guys like John Rahm, great hands around the greens, able to pitch the golf ball when they they get in trouble.

Speaker 3 I don't think that's Bryson's strength. And I think that's one of the reasons that he can struggle.
And, you know, another thing about somebody like Bryson, he's so technical.

Speaker 3 You can't use any of that technical stuff, not even in practice rounds at Augusta. And I think that takes, you know, an arrow out of his quiver, if you will.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So the touch shots, who, outside of the usual suspects, is elite at those touch shots that gives them a better chance at Augusta.

Speaker 1 Maybe they don't drive it, you know, as long as everyone else, but who is the touch shot God or the guys right now that are playing the best around the greens like that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, the best right now, modern player, this is not going to shock you, is Scotty. I mean, the pitching and chipping is insane.
Russell Henley's been great in that department.

Speaker 3 I think he's going to be my pick this year for the Masters. I think Russell Henley's kind of not just a sleeper, but he's having a great year.

Speaker 3 And I think he's one of those guys that can really lean on that part of his game. Great ball striker, which is important.
But I like Sep Straka a lot as well.

Speaker 3 this week in terms of just players that are maybe away from those top five names that I think are playing in a level of form where they could show up here and do something special.

Speaker 3 And they've also kind of played well at Augusta before. I'm not going to take a guy that's finished 50th every time he's been here.

Speaker 3 But if you finished in the top 10 and you've had a couple of good finishes,

Speaker 3 I like your chances. And I think those are a couple guys off the, you know, you look at the last few winners.
It's like Scotty Rahm, Scotty Hideki, DJ Tiger. Like these are big names.

Speaker 3 Occasionally, you get a Patrick Reed or a Danny Willet or a player like that that wins at the Masters. And I would not be surprised if this is the year that happens.

Speaker 1 All right. I have an Advanced Analytics department in my brain that picks my masters winner, and the advanced analytics are just pick your friend.
So I'm betting on Brooks again. Can he win it?

Speaker 3 He can win it. And I figured you'd ask about Brooks, big cat.
So I have something for you.

Speaker 3 He's only had one season where he didn't finish in the top 10 in all four majors. That was in 2022.
The next year, almost wins the masters, wins the PGA.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to lean, since you're throwing a stat at me, I'll throw one right back at you. Played pretty poorly in the majors a season ago.

Speaker 3 but you know, Brooks is one of those dudes that shows up and thinks he's the best player on the golf course.

Speaker 3 So I think Brooks played well here before, obviously is a guy that believes in what he's doing.

Speaker 3 Now, he was just hitting balls on the range a little bit ago, and he was kind of hitting these like toe hooks that I do not like, but that's why the range is there. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he can practice.

Speaker 7 That's one thing that I don't like about being able to see every range shot now on the app is that guys go out there and they fuck around some, they work on new stuff.

Speaker 7 And then you look at that and you're like, oh my God, he's shanking everything. I got to bet against this guy.
It's like too much information.

Speaker 15 Yeah, it might be overload. It's a little bit like with the odd stuff now, right?

Speaker 3 Where you could basically figure out anything that makes your bet seem like the smartest bet in the world.

Speaker 3 You know, I mean, there's a, you know, there's, there's like a million different things that tell you that Florida's going to win or Houston's going to win.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly. So, um, speaking of the course, though, uh, what have we done in the past year that uh has changed at Augusta? What should we be on the lookout?

Speaker 3 The trees. Nothing, which is, uh, which is a bit of a surprise.
I mean, they typically tinker a little bit with yardages or new T-boxes and stuff like that. And it's pretty much what it was.

Speaker 3 I mean, outside of the damage from the hurricane, it's going to be in play how it's played in the past.

Speaker 3 Now, we had all that rain, so it'll be interesting to see if it plays a little softer on Thursday into Friday.

Speaker 3 But I imagine if we don't get the rain that they're talking about Friday afternoon, I think it'll be spicy, spicy on the weekend.

Speaker 11 What about the trees? Yeah, what about the trees?

Speaker 7 Somebody here said that

Speaker 7 the trees are different.

Speaker 3 There's going to be some different trees. I mean, obviously, like I said, the hurricane was bad in this area.
I mean, some trees came down, but not really any that affect the golf course.

Speaker 3 John Rahm was at a press conference and he said the one thing he was told, he hadn't played the second nine yet in a practice round, but he said the one thing he was told is, you know, 10 is that massive dog like left, right?

Speaker 3 And like basically all the players these days hit three wood because they can't turn a driver over. And he said he's heard.

Speaker 3 that you can now squeeze it through a little window on the left side and cut it into the fairway.

Speaker 3 And then the moment he said it, he goes, well, they'll probably put a new tree up by the first round because I said something.

Speaker 3 But really outside of, you know, trees behind 15 green that don't come into play, nothing's really going to change in terms of the way the golf course plays.

Speaker 1 All right, that's good. I like that.

Speaker 7 I like a little tradition at Augusta. Don't make me learn new stuff every year there.
I like to

Speaker 7 know the ins and the outs of the course. I just saw this morning they published the mowing reports.

Speaker 1 Are you a mowing report guy?

Speaker 3 I got that as well. I actually wrote the numbers down for you because I figured you'd like that PFT.
But I mean, when the mowing report hits, you know it's Masters Week. Like, I'm ready for it.

Speaker 3 I'm ready to roll. Like, what length of the rough? What about the T's? All that stuff is incredibly important to all of us nerds.

Speaker 7 Yeah, any surprises in the Boeing report?

Speaker 3 No, no, the report was pretty solid. It's like they almost know what they're doing.
You know, it's almost like they've mowed this place before.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk some long shots, some guys that no one's talking about, because obviously it is, you said it, you know, the big names have won this tournament, but if there were to be a name that is not someone that everyone's like, hey, look at this guy, he's playing great, who do you have your eye on?

Speaker 15 All right, so he's a long shot in terms of number, not a long shot in terms of history.

Speaker 3 I think Phil's got a chance. I think Phil has a legit chance this week.

Speaker 3 He's been playing some solid golf and kind of going back to like what plays well here is a great iron player and somebody that's excellent around the greens. I think Phil,

Speaker 3 he finds himself in contention. It feels like every two years.
So I think Phil, in terms of extreme long shots, I'm a big fan of his number this week.

Speaker 1 That would be so much fun if Phil was in the mix. That would be awesome.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I need you know what?

Speaker 3 I'll tell you this, big cat. I like a lot of the live guys.
Like, I like Brooks. I like Sergio.
I like Phil. This is Hank.

Speaker 1 There's music to Hank's ear. He's a live head.
Big time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, they're all playing well. I mean, if you watch Doral on Sunday, I mean, all the guys hanging around the top of that leaderboard were basically flying up that night to Augusta.

Speaker 3 You know, it wasn't like the guys that aren't in the field. So

Speaker 3 I would be non-shocked if a live, if there were two or three live players tied atop the leaderboard, you know, on the second nine.

Speaker 1 Because, Hank, well, last year, what did you do? You did all live players to finish like top 20 and none of them did?

Speaker 4 No, no, no. I did a round robin, 10 live players to finish top 20.
I needed like four or five to like make money. I think only three or four did.
So

Speaker 4 I lost a little bit of money. I didn't make a lot of money.
But my thinking is like a lot of the live guys have won and the pressure on Sunday for a guy that's won, they've experienced before.

Speaker 4 They know what to do. They don't feel it as much as a guy that maybe hasn't won before.
And all of a sudden they're playing Sunday at Augusta, shitting their pants a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, Hank is such a die-hard live fan. He knows the four aces off the top of his head, don't you? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hank, what are they uh it's justin johnson patrick reed

Speaker 1 oh you all

Speaker 1 stuck at two aces you only have two aces half of them you have half of the aces

Speaker 1 yep come on hank i i even i know one of them oh what hey shane where are we with the live pga merger that was announced like a year ago that no one talks about hv3 come on

Speaker 3 who knows dude i mean honestly nobody knows it's it's funny now too because you the players get asked about it. And they're even like, nobody knows.
Who knows? Nobody's telling us anything.

Speaker 3 Like, we're just trying to play golf. And I think John Rahm answered a question in his press conference.
They asked some questions at the end of the presser in Spanish.

Speaker 3 And he said, I just want to play with these guys more often, you know, was basically his answer. But nobody knows.
I mean, I feel like every week you hear rumors, but nothing changes. Nothing happens.

Speaker 7 What happened to the framework? I was told that we had a framework in place.

Speaker 3 Frame broke, man. I think the frame is like disintegrated.
It fell on the ground. Like, I don't know what happened to the damn thing, but, you know, I mean,

Speaker 3 like, I don't think Liv wants to go away, you know, and I think that's one of the important pieces of this is like Liv still wants to exist in terms of golf tournaments and team golf and things like that.

Speaker 3 And I don't think the PJ Tour is a big fan of that idea if they're going to merge. So I think, you know, for Liv, it's, we don't want to lose everything we're doing.

Speaker 3 We understand the importance of merging, but that seems to be where everybody's stuck right now. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 What about the journalist lottery? When do we find out who gets to play Augusta?

Speaker 3 Oh, I think that, I think that drops Saturday. I think they normally announce that on Saturday, maybe around lunchtime.

Speaker 1 Have you played?

Speaker 3 No, never gotten picked.

Speaker 1 Oh, what are the odds?

Speaker 7 How many journalists enter their names into the lottery every year?

Speaker 15 So everybody that hadn't played it, I think it's over the last seven years gets to put their name in.

Speaker 3 So I would just say the number's probably around maybe 150 in the lottery. Now, I don't know how many get picked, but I'd say of the, let's say, 300 people here working, I bet 150 put their names in.

Speaker 3 So, you know, if there's four groups or whatever, then, you know, you've probably got an 8% chance or 6% chance or something.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're going to go to your year. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Although it was very funny when they took somebody that had never played golf before last year.

Speaker 7 I kind of like that. Yeah.
That's true.

Speaker 3 We always ask about that around the U.S. Opens.
Like, I mean, remember when Dave used to do that? When he would play the mulligan U.S.

Speaker 3 Open game, and it's like, what are you going to shoot if you have unlimited mulligans? It's like, what is a person that's never played golf going to shoot around this golf course, right?

Speaker 3 I mean, I think that's

Speaker 3 at least something we can compare the best players in the world to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we actually have, so we had, we have, we interviewed Max as well. He's going to be on this episode, and he, we asked him this, so we'll ask you this.

Speaker 1 If Hank started at the worst spot on every green and had to only put,

Speaker 1 would he be in contention at the end of Sunday?

Speaker 3 Is he putting, so he's putting one on every green. Like he's starting on one.

Speaker 7 But in the worst place he could possibly be, whether that's the farthest distance away or the place where it's the toughest with the breaks.

Speaker 3 I mean, if he, does he have a caddy?

Speaker 9 No. No caddy.

Speaker 1 Oh, uh,

Speaker 1 I think he could shoot even par or better.

Speaker 3 I think he could for putt every green. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Are there some that it would be like a disaster where, like, is there a specific green on the course where it's like everyone knows there's one little spot and if you don't hit it, you're just fucked.

Speaker 15 Yeah, like he would probably put off the green on nine.

Speaker 3 He'd probably put off the green on 13. He'd probably put off the green on 15.

Speaker 3 So the key for him would be just to not put it in the water.

Speaker 1 But I think,

Speaker 3 like I said, I think he's going to two-putt a couple, right, just by, you know, virtue of luck or making an eight-footer.

Speaker 3 I mean, I know you dog Hank's game a lot, but I mean, I've seen Hank make eight-footers on YouTube before, right? That's true. I mean, he's capable, if nothing else.

Speaker 1 Well, you've also seen him miss eight footers.

Speaker 3 Well, I've seen him miss a lot of those, but I mean, I think, you know, just in general, he's going to eventually two-putt a green here or there, which picks you up a couple shots.

Speaker 3 I think he's in contention. I think he shoots around even par every round from the green.

Speaker 7 Okay. We got to make that happen.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. What would he say?

Speaker 1 What, all right. So if I said to you,

Speaker 1 or if I said to all the golfers, you get to pick one club that is perfect for the Masters.

Speaker 1 Your shots on it, that specific club is just perfect all week. What club are they picking?

Speaker 15 This year, it's probably the mini driver.

Speaker 3 That's going to be in a lot of bags. So, you know, the basically the popularity of the mini drivers popped over the last couple of years, and the idea is you can turn it over a little bit.

Speaker 3 And obviously, right-handers at Augusta have got to hit that draw. I think you're going to see a ton of the mini drivers in the bags this week from a lot of players.

Speaker 3 A lot of the Taylor Made dudes, I think, are throwing them in there.

Speaker 3 And so I think that's going to be a really popular one. It also keeps you short of some of the runouts at 330, 340 with the long hitters can hit it there.

Speaker 3 So the mini driver be big and then like lob wedges. I mean, I think, you know, lob wedges are huge here because you want to get the ball up in the air around the greens because there's so much runoff.

Speaker 3 And I think the idea of throwing it up high with a lot of spin is what most of these modern players do. Okay.

Speaker 7 Interesting. What do you think the winning score is this week?

Speaker 3 So I was looking, it's 11, 12, 10, 10 the last four years. So I think I'll go, I think with the rain, it'll be a little better than that.
I'll probably go 13, I think is the number I'm looking at.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I would love that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's relatively consistent. By the way, big cat, I had something for you.

Speaker 3 Your big Florida win last night. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Congrats, by the way. I mean, I mean, I know you needed the money.

Speaker 3 So you would have finished, I need to finish a T20 last year at the Masters to make that much money. So you're kind of like a top 20 golfer in the world financially now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unfortunately for that calculus,

Speaker 1 if we're putting in the whole March Madness experience, I missed the cut. But

Speaker 1 yes, if we're just based off the championship for the houses and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 If we're only basing off the championship game, then yeah, T20 feels good.

Speaker 7 I mean, under the bright lights, that's when it matters the most.

Speaker 1 One day, yeah. Sunday red.

Speaker 3 I turned the feed on with like, we were like at our rental house. I turned the feed on with about 30 seconds.
Let's go near you that bet. And I could only see your eyes.

Speaker 1 It was like the hoodie kept getting smaller around your head. I actually didn't see the final play in its totality for like an hour after because I was only watching the top of the screen.

Speaker 1 So when I saw the ball like go up and like him jump, I was like, oh, he's about to hit this shot, not realizing that he had traveled. So yeah, it was, yeah.
All right. T20.

Speaker 1 I could, I could, I can rock with that. T20 feels good.

Speaker 3 Congrats on the great play last year at the Masters.

Speaker 1 I'm proud of you.

Speaker 7 Yes, yeah, that's very impressive. Nice purse.

Speaker 7 I was curious about Max, our other good friend Max.

Speaker 9 Yep.

Speaker 7 So he is a guy that has played well at Augusta. You said that's very important, but he's also a guy that's not playing well right now, which you also say is important.

Speaker 7 So how, what, what would be a reasonable expectation for Max Home at this year's Masters?

Speaker 15 I think top 25 is reasonable for him.

Speaker 3 I think, again,

Speaker 3 you know, the thing, Max, I'm sure he told you guys this as well, but the thing he's been talking about is away from tournament golf, he's been playing well.

Speaker 3 Did he tell you what he shot on the first nine? Yeah,

Speaker 1 this weekend. Yeah, he was on the shop.
He shot 29? Yeah, something like that. I think he said seven under.
Yeah, seven under.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he had a had a putt for 28, I think, on the ninth, which would be like the low nine holes ever at the Masters if he did that within the tournament.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's seen positives away from tournament golf. It's just not really working once it gets going.
You know, for Max, it's about starts, man. I mean, he's got to get off to a good start.

Speaker 3 He's got to be able to shoot something around even or under par on the first nine on Thursday.

Speaker 3 I mean, I just think he's continued, and he knows this, he's continued to put himself behind the eight ball early, and then he's got to make up ground, which he's been able to do.

Speaker 3 So if he can just somehow find something solid on Thursday to get things going, shoot even par for the day. I mean, even shoot one over, I think there's an opportunity for him to run.

Speaker 3 But I think top 25 is reasonable. You know, he played, he played really well the first two days a year ago, and then it obviously got tougher on the weekend.

Speaker 3 But I would, I think he's going to make the cut. And I think top 25, top 20 makes sense.
Yeah. We love that.

Speaker 7 Do you think that America is going to continue its dominance? Because what, it's

Speaker 7 seven majors in a row that we've won?

Speaker 3 I think it stops here. I think it ends here.
I think Rory or Rahm or Sepp or somebody like that does it. Demon.

Speaker 3 That's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 3 I think the internationals are going to win this. I think probably a European is going to win it.
And there's the Europeans. I mean, the Ryder Cup is, what, seven months?

Speaker 3 The Europeans are just like crushing it right now in golf. So I think the theme continues.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they're not ready for Long Island. Yeah, they're not ready for strong island.
Yeah. For a bunch of dudes yelling at them.

Speaker 3 We're up a couple points just going into that simply because of the crowds. But I mean, they're...
They're trending. Like when you look at the bottom half of what the team might look like right now,

Speaker 3 their bottom half, if you will, the victors and guys like that finding form finally like we've wanted them to.

Speaker 3 It's going to be very interesting to see if they kind of continue this run because, you know, if their 6 through 12, to me feels like what the old USA was 6 through 12 against the internationals on the President's Cup.

Speaker 3 Like it was never the top half that we were dominant on. It was always the bottom half of that roster.
And right now, kind of 1 through 12 on the Europeans seems very, very spicy for that crew.

Speaker 7 So even if you're a guy that maybe is sick of Scotty winning all the time, you should be rooting for Scotty just for that reason. Because he's a

Speaker 1 chance.

Speaker 3 Like, we didn't talk about Morakawa.

Speaker 3 I mean, Morakawa's, I mean, his stats, like Kyle Porter sent something out the other day, leads the world in Strokes Gained approach, leads the world in Strokes Gain ball striking, leads the world in Strokes Gain T-degree, T-degreeing, and leads the world in Strokes Gain overall all in 2025.

Speaker 3 I mean, this is a ball strikers golf course. So Colin Morakawa played well here a year ago.
I think Scotty, Colin, in terms of Americans, are very, very high on the list.

Speaker 7 Can you educate us on what strokes gain means? I know that it's important and I know that it's good, but I don't know how they do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's an analytical deep dive into how players go against the rest of the field or the rest of the players in golf.

Speaker 3 So it's basically like what your stats, how your stouts kind of match up against everybody else versus something like Greens and Regulation. That's you versus the golf course.

Speaker 3 PFT, I know you love the golf course. This is a little bit more like you against your peers.

Speaker 1 Got it. So it's like war.

Speaker 1 Strokes above replacement. Yeah, strokes above.

Speaker 1 All right, Shane, I got one last question. Again, tune in this week.
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Speaker 1 Two final questions for me. One, what is your

Speaker 1 favorite bet that isn't a winning bet? So it could be like top 20. It could be make or miss the cut, something like that.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 15 I like Phil top 20. I like Sergio top 20.

Speaker 3 Okay. I like both of those bets.
I think you're getting a round even for both of those, maybe even a little bit of plus money. So I like both of those for sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like that. And then this is just something dumb that I always think about.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that you do in these tournaments, if you play morning on Thursday, then you play afternoon on Friday, afternoon on Thursday, morning on Friday.

Speaker 1 That always never made sense to me because it's like you basically have to turn around so fast if you're in the afternoon and then go to the morning.

Speaker 1 What do guys prefer? If weather is not a factor, what do they prefer?

Speaker 15 I think younger guys like late early.

Speaker 3 I think they like the quick flip. And I also think if you're playing well, you want to get back out there quickly.
And I think the older players prefer early late.

Speaker 3 So they get a little bit more of a break and they can sleep in. And like, you know, Tiger famously was doing all the body work

Speaker 3 in the mornings on Fridays. So I think it depends on age.

Speaker 3 But I think if you pulled players, you'd probably get 70, 80% would be kind of like go out late on Thursday, get right back out on a golf course on Friday morning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, although it would drive me nuts now that I'm thinking about it,

Speaker 1 playing early on Friday, not knowing what I need to score.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like playing late on Friday where you're like, here, this is what I have to do to make the cut is maybe a little bit of an advantage.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I think like this year, especially with the forecast on Friday, I think getting out there early on Friday would be, you know, preferred simply because if there are delays and stuff like that, now if you're a Friday late, your second round might bleed into Saturday, and then you got to play a marathon day on Saturday in terms of golf if you make the cut.

Speaker 3 So I think for this year, especially with what we might see on Friday, I don't think it's a huge percentage, maybe like 30, 40%.

Speaker 3 But if there are going to be rain showers, at least if you're an early Friday guy, you can get your round in. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I was reading the other day that if you win the Masters,

Speaker 7 you get to use the Champions Driving Range that not everybody else gets to use. Have you heard about this Champions Driving Range?

Speaker 15 I don't know about the Champions Driving Range.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, they all do, they all hit balls at the tournament practice area, the kind of new one over the last few years, where they've like, it's the best range on the planet, by the way.

Speaker 3 I mean, they literally replicate greens that are on the golf course so that you can hit certain shots in the greens and get an idea of what it's going to look like out on the golf course.

Speaker 3 But no, I don't know about that one. I'll have to ask some of the dudes back here that have played.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because the thing I was reading. You might have just sent him on like, is there a basement in the Alamo? I might have.
You're just walking around.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, this guy doesn't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a big secret.

Speaker 7 It's a big joke that they're playing on a basement.

Speaker 7 I did read, though, that there's a champion's driving range. But the champion's driving range isn't nearly as good as the regular driving range.
So it's like,

Speaker 7 why would you want to use it? Just to be like, fuck you, I have to.

Speaker 15 Maybe if you feel like an honorary starter, you go there because you don't hit it as far as you used to.

Speaker 3 Maybe that's like where you warm up. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 7 That's actually a good point. That's probably why it's not that much.

Speaker 1 Those guys go. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
Well, Shane, thank you so much. Good luck this week in the lottery.
We're rooting for you. We'd love to see you be able to play the course.

Speaker 1 And it's always fun having you on. So appreciate it so much.
Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we're going to do White Lotus at the end of the show. We have pardon your take from the listeners.
By the way, we did miss one. I should have used this for my hot seat.

Speaker 1 Cody Bellinger is out because he had bad wings. Yeah.
The old Mark Titus injury.

Speaker 7 There have been some great baseball injuries this year.

Speaker 7 Being out because he ate chicken wings. Man card.
Tough. Play the Joe Buck drop.

Speaker 1 Tough. Gotta, gotta make it.
Can't say it's the wings.

Speaker 7 Guy like me, I only eat wings. Never missed a podcast.
Nope. Not a jinx.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 4 Wow, this is sad. I figured you guys would appreciate this.
All four major sports leagues have apparently stopped making championship DVDs/slash Blu-rays.

Speaker 4 Like you guys always say, this is the start of a championship DVD when my team has a big moment. The championship DVD is quintessential merch to buy when your team wins.

Speaker 4 Hate to see it looks like they are a thing of the past. Signed, Sad Eagles.

Speaker 1 What do they do now? This sucks.

Speaker 4 It's like championship YouTube link.

Speaker 7 Championship Instagram reel.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 7 You got to still make the DVD. We're still going to say championship DVD, start of the DVD, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. We're not changing it.

Speaker 7 It makes us a boomer, but you either die a millennial or you live long enough to be a boomer. We'll just accept it.

Speaker 1 I don't give a fuck. People call me boomer all the time.

Speaker 4 Who cares?

Speaker 7 You know who else they call boomer? Chris Berman.

Speaker 1 What, hey? It's boomer take. What, that you don't give a fuck? Who cares? Yeah.
Who cares?

Speaker 7 Is that boomer? To not care? What was it the other day?

Speaker 1 Oh, so it's a nice kid. Yeah.
My Duke hate was a boomer take.

Speaker 7 What? No,

Speaker 7 that's just a kid that likes Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's also a kid that just doesn't understand how sports work. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that's my problem is that people use boomer take for things that are not even close to. I know when I have a boomer take.
So saying championship DVD is a boomer take.

Speaker 7 They do that with cringe, too. Yeah.
It's just a word that they'll say that they think is going to hurt you. Right.
Guess what? Like, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 It's lost all meaning because it gets thrown around to you.

Speaker 7 You overused it. You oversplayed your hand.
We took that word back.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Now that the Super Bowl and Final Four have wrapped up, I am curious to get your take on the best city for a finale to a sports season and maybe as a second layer, the best game.

Speaker 4 Super Bowl Final Four to be there for.

Speaker 1 Wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 7 Where it takes place? Yeah, best city.

Speaker 4 Best city for a finale to a sports season.

Speaker 7 I mean, Vegas. Vegas.

Speaker 7 I can personally attest.

Speaker 1 I like New Orleans.

Speaker 7 Stanley Cup in Vegas. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Final four in New Orleans would be better than Vegas.

Speaker 7 New Orleans is pretty sick. We did do the Final Four in New Orleans a couple of years ago.
It was a great time.

Speaker 1 The Super Bowl was in New Orleans this year.

Speaker 7 Do you remember what happened in that Final Four, Big Cat? Yeah. In Vegas? Or in

Speaker 1 the city is dead?

Speaker 3 Yeah. The boomer take.

Speaker 7 Yeah, listen. New Orleans is always going to be at the top of my list.
Vegas was a lot of fun. I like Indy, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 Indy is a good city just because you don't have to get in a car. You don't have to get in an Uber.

Speaker 4 Your city.

Speaker 1 What? Baseball, basketball, hockey.

Speaker 1 Oh, but he's saying that. No, he's saying.

Speaker 5 No, he's saying. He's saying like the venue city.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the venue city when it's a Final Four

Speaker 1 Super Bowl. So it's a different city.

Speaker 5 Memes is also back. You're saying, like, you can pick any city.
You don't need to pick.

Speaker 7 Like, Nashville would be a good Super Bowl city if it wasn't so cold.

Speaker 1 Well, you're trying to go on a bachelor's party trip on a Super Bowl, buddy.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying.

Speaker 7 There's a bunch of places. Memes wants to go back to God's country.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I could say

Speaker 7 London.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Bahamas.

Speaker 7 The Bahamas would be great.

Speaker 1 Hawaii, Honolulu, Amsterdam.

Speaker 7 Would be sick.

Speaker 1 Imagine losing in Honolulu. Yeah.
It's a long flight.

Speaker 7 But if you lose in Honolulu, you're like, okay, who cares? Yeah. I'm in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 I think New York would be a good place just because it's basically anywhere you get. Bad take.

Speaker 7 Why?

Speaker 1 New York Stadium is so bad.

Speaker 1 I understand.

Speaker 1 Obviously,

Speaker 1 I'm talking about being on the team.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 I thought you were talking.

Speaker 1 I'm talking as a team. I'm a fan.
Oh, as a fan.

Speaker 1 But on the team, I'm saying, like, New York would be...

Speaker 1 If you win someplace where the bars don't close, that's sick.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's

Speaker 5 that. That changes things.
Yeah. That for sure.

Speaker 1 I was thinking on the team, I guess it doesn't make as much sense for Final Four, but I was thinking Super Bowl, like, if you win the Super Bowl in Vegas, like you go out as a team in Vegas, that's sick.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because like as a fan, you're going to just go to whatever bar.

Speaker 1 Vegas obviously is different.

Speaker 7 As a player, Miami?

Speaker 1 Miami would be sick. Miami would be so sick.

Speaker 7 Also, as a fan, I feel like Miami would be fun. That's a double.

Speaker 4 All right, last one. The PGA championship needs to go back to being the last major.
This recent change throws off the whole summer.

Speaker 4 It's the perfect epilogue in that it's not as charming, but gives you a sh bit more content. Plus, the British Open, maybe the best major, has no business being a loser.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 4 Since the shitty weather does feel very summery.

Speaker 7 This guy just did the, you've given yourself away, three fingers.

Speaker 1 He called it the best major?

Speaker 7 he called it the british open it's the open championship and it's not even close to the best yeah

Speaker 1 if you really thought that that was the best open guy you're as the best no

Speaker 1 second best you think it's better than the u.s open

Speaker 1 no chance sometimes i did it depends it varies maybe if you live in england but for time zone reasons it sucks yeah it's it's bad yeah it's masters us open open championship pga But that's why I like that they move the PGA up because otherwise it's like, who cares?

Speaker 7 Why is the Masters always first?

Speaker 1 Because they're the Masters. They get everything.

Speaker 3 They get to do whatever they want. They get everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this guy's wrong.

Speaker 4 Open Championship. Well, no, but his point was that they should just flip-flop.

Speaker 7 His point was.

Speaker 4 Well, his point is to your point. He doesn't think the Open Championship should be the last one because it's not as good.

Speaker 7 I thought he said it's the best.

Speaker 4 I said maybe the best, but he said it shouldn't be the last major of the year.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's fine. I don't hate that.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 But the fact that he didn't refer to it in the correct nomenclature tells me he's not really that big a fan.

Speaker 1 I just got hung up on the fact that he said maybe the best. It's never maybe been the best.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 PGA Championship is definitely the worst. I think

Speaker 4 that's.

Speaker 1 And Masters is definitely the best. And if you're an American, like I thought we all were, the U.S.
Open is the second best, and the Open Championship is the third. But it's sounding to me

Speaker 1 like you're... It's a different style of

Speaker 1 when they play in Long Island.

Speaker 1 America. Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you really?

Speaker 1 Because, like, listen, the Live Guys are in Europe.

Speaker 1 I could see Hank Brooks being Europe.

Speaker 1 Just saying.

Speaker 4 There's actually like, it's just John Rom. I guess Hatton.

Speaker 1 You love John Rob. I like John Rom, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You love Ludwig.

Speaker 7 You love Sergio.

Speaker 4 I do love Ludwig. Yeah.
I like Sergio.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you love Sergio. You love Rory.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 I know you hate Rory.

Speaker 1 All right, real quick, White Lotus. Hank,

Speaker 1 you watched just this. So spoilers coming.
I really don't think there's anyone out there who's like,

Speaker 1 I'm saving the finale for Friday.

Speaker 1 So, Hank, PFT and I watched the whole season. Yep.
Max, did you watch the whole season? I did. Okay.
So Max watched the whole season. You just watched the finale.

Speaker 4 Yep. I'll preface it.
I watched the

Speaker 4 months ago, maybe even last year, I watched the first, maybe one or two episodes of season one, decided it wasn't a show for me, removed it from, you know, my future.

Speaker 4 So, I've seen, like, I have everything on Twitter. I see people talking about it, I don't ignore it, I don't, like, avoid it because I don't care.
Right.

Speaker 4 So, I've, I've picked, I've like been weirdly kind of following along.

Speaker 4 Like, I've seen the memes, I've seen people, you know, that we work with and stuff tweet about it, and like, sometimes I'll read them. I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 So, I did have some level of understanding going into it, but I just watched a finale. Uh, or I tried to watch the finale.
I wrote some notes down until I fell asleep. Uh,

Speaker 4 it was an hour and a half.

Speaker 4 I was battling and I'm like, so you didn't see it. So I get, I got, I got probably like 60, 75 minutes in, and then I just, I fell asleep.

Speaker 1 I think this might be the future of recaps.

Speaker 4 We got to be close. I remember being like, this has got to be close.
It's been going on so long. There's so many fucking storylines.
How is any of this connected?

Speaker 4 And then it was like 40 minutes left. Okay.
And I tried to stay awake. I didn't.

Speaker 7 So this is Hank's thoughts about the finale of White Lotus from a guy that didn't watch the season of White Lotus and fell asleep halfway through.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'll give, I have like four notes there. I know that's going to go into it.

Speaker 4 Bad for Thailand. That guy seemed like a badass.
Whoever was bad for Thailand. Why are they in Thailand? Was a question.

Speaker 7 Wait, who is bad for Thailand?

Speaker 4 The guy in the very beginning of the episode. He's like, You're bad for Thailand.

Speaker 4 That Walt Goggins was talking to.

Speaker 1 Oh, Sam Rockwell. Are you good for Thailand? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he was an awesome character.

Speaker 7 Sam Rockwell should have his own show. Yeah.
That character. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was one of the only characters I liked.

Speaker 4 He fucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, he didn't for a while. And also, he gets fucked by dudes.
He also

Speaker 4 didn't seem interested.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, you missed the whole part where he he got fucked by dudes. Yeah, he was not, he didn't get off by fucking chicks anymore, and so he went in this, like, maybe episode five.

Speaker 1 He's like, Then I found out that the only way I could get off is to be a Thai woman and get fucked.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because the chicks he was fucking, he wanted to be them getting fucked by an American.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that explains why he wasn't, when they reunited, he was like, I don't care. She was like, Oh, I missed you, and he's like, He just goes, Yep, yeah, uh,

Speaker 4 Duke, very featured. That's not an accident.

Speaker 4 Like, I can under, I actually could understand why Duke was mad because it was so prominently featured. And, like, in Hollywood, that's a, you know,

Speaker 4 nothing comes on screen by accident. Like, they have to, you know, set design,

Speaker 4 outfit design. Like, the fact that they made Duke that prominent talking like this was kind of wild.
Like, what, was there a significant reason, or was it just like a throwaway? Like, he went to Duke?

Speaker 4 Because, like, having him wear Duke stuff on a major HBO show is kind of crazy.

Speaker 7 I think there was a, it was clearly anti-Duke propaganda.

Speaker 7 That's crazy. Which is, which I'm fully in support of.
The moral of the entire show is basically like, don't let your children go to Duke. Yeah, go to UNC.

Speaker 7 And they even, I mean, the character named Zion got paid millions of dollars to not do anything.

Speaker 7 It seemed pretty slanted towards Duke.

Speaker 4 I wrote, these are the guys that banged their brothers gross.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 Did they actually bang or did he just

Speaker 7 jacked him off? And when. So that I saw people like, incest, incest, incest.

Speaker 1 That is incest.

Speaker 1 What's this take? What's this take? Well, no, I was like, what is this take?

Speaker 1 He came on screen. I was like, oh, this is crazy.

Speaker 4 These guys banged, and he said the jerking off thing. And I was like,

Speaker 1 people were freaking out on Twitter.

Speaker 4 I know it's bad, but people, I thought I was expecting Game of Thrones incest.

Speaker 7 No, he just jacked his brother off. Hank doesn't understand the big deal.
No.

Speaker 5 This is like modern day, like...

Speaker 5 on vacation. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 Jerking off your brother? Well, you're banging. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 I was, based off what I saw on Twitter, I was expecting incest. And I know that's incest.

Speaker 7 That is incest.

Speaker 1 That was exactly

Speaker 4 my bad. I apologize.
I was expecting Game of Thrones. So, like, I was like, this is disgusting.
I can see why people were mad.

Speaker 7 When the character Locke, when he said to his brother, when they had that confrontation in the final episode, he was like, I only jacked you off during that threesome because I guess I'm just a people pleaser.

Speaker 7 That is weaponized therapy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also.

Speaker 1 Was it?

Speaker 4 Is that one of the sisters, the guy that Patrick Schwarzenegger was jealous that loved Goggins? No. No,

Speaker 1 they were friends. Okay.

Speaker 1 If you jerk off your brother like that, the conversation the next morning has to be, one of us has to kill ourselves.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't both be alive after that. It just can't.
You cannot live like that. Good segue.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's where I fell asleep. The dad was, I mean, suicide, that was a little bit, you know, how convenient you have a suicide pair in your backyard with the guy that wants to

Speaker 1 himself.

Speaker 4 Well, I fell asleep when he was like grinding it up. Did I not?

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 1 he almost killed his whole family. So, this is this goes to my biggest.

Speaker 7 That's it. That's all I got.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so great show. I like White Lotus.
White Lotus fan coming in peace. I did not think this was the strongest season.

Speaker 7 No, I'd put it clearly number three. I think number three.
I think season.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go season two. Yeah.
Then season one, barely. And then clearly season three is the first thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think one and two are interchangeable of which one's your favorite. And then three, like, so this happens

Speaker 1 whenever a TV show that's widely popular um if you don't like a certain season you're dubbed like a contrarian or you're trying to hate just to hate I like white lotus I'm gonna watch season four I thought this season was not great and the rat lift story was was one of my biggest issues because what you saw Hank was what happened all season where so he did the the pina coladas with his family he ended up hitting them all out of his hand their hands and being like don't drink it the milk's gone bad that was like the sixth time we had a dream sequence/slash

Speaker 1 something happen where they tried to fake us out that he was committing suicide or killing his family.

Speaker 1 Enough of it. Yeah, I actually think Locke should have died at the end.

Speaker 7 Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 Instead,

Speaker 1 the fake-out death is the worst.

Speaker 7 Yeah, instead, what happened was he survived because I guess he didn't eat enough of the suicide pair.

Speaker 1 That's why I said the suicide pair is overrated.

Speaker 7 Or I thought maybe it was like a DMT pair because he was like, I just saw a goddamn. And then they get on a boat, and the dad's like, Hey, sorry, I tried to kill all you guys.

Speaker 7 Like, did they not have that conversation? Because Locke obviously drank the milkshake, yeah, and then he basically died. Was his dad ever like, oh, yeah, uh, about that, this is why you passed out.

Speaker 1 Also, the entire storyline of the Ratliffs and the dad, uh, which was interesting, financial crimes, having to deal with that, no one has phones, and then all we get is one like 10-second speech at the end where he's like, We'll stay together as a family.

Speaker 7 Yeah, hey, sorry, I tried to kill all y'all, but uh, I gotta be honest, we're all gonna go broke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're like, love you, dad. I did like from the rat lifts, I thought Saxon was awesome.
His like story arc was cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the look back at the end with Goggins and his girlfriend, like he kind of finally got it. And I, Parker Posey's just a hilarious actress.

Speaker 7 It is fun to talk like Parker Posey. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Parker Posey end up winning because she knew all along that her daughter was a spoiled rich kid. And she just had to go sleep in a monastery one night to realize it.

Speaker 7 And it's just fun to talk like her and be like, get me out of Taiwan.

Speaker 1 Where's my Laraz? Place pay him.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but when she saw her daughter come back and then she got, she was proud of her daughter for being spoiled. Yeah.
That was the funniest thing. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 I mean, the whole theme of this show is that rich people, idle rich people, are the worst. And also

Speaker 1 good, bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and when

Speaker 7 what was her name? Belinda? Yeah. When Belinda got paid all that money and then she became the character from the previous season.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I liked that. That was good.
That made me a little bit sad for the guy that she was like, I'm not going to do it. Porn chai? Yeah, I'm not going to go into business with the corn chai.

Speaker 7 I see you later. Porn chai.
Porn chai.

Speaker 1 Porn chai.

Speaker 7 That was a very good scene. And then I wrote down that

Speaker 7 the white lotus, the property, the white lotus. Yeah.

Speaker 7 They have to have the best trip advisor account manager ever because all these murders keep happening at their resorts and they seem to be doing really well with tourists. Just deleting them all.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we're going to get rid of of all the negative feedback, even though people die all the time. And you know what? It is, here's why I bet their accounts are doing well.
The donut tree.

Speaker 7 Did you notice the donut tree that Dr. Goggins went to to pick?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 How have I never heard of a donut tree before?

Speaker 1 Oh, I've seen those at like

Speaker 1 they're, you know, what they sometimes have them in like sweets at like football games and stuff. I feel like Ross Tucker has tweeted out a donut tree before.

Speaker 7 I've never seen a donut tree before, but now we have to, can we get a donut tree? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Ross Tucker's definitely tweeted out a donut tree.

Speaker 1 Yeah, i i just i don't know i thought the season just it kind of they did stretch it it was more it was eight episodes i think season one was six and season two was seven it felt like it was eight where it was like an hour and a half and we went circular on a lot of storylines and then i just i don't know i was rooting for walter goggins and his girlfriend i thought the cheap uh star wars uh he was your father was just whatever walter goggins was the british girl's dad no oh no

Speaker 1 it was the the guy from thailand Yeah. Uncle Rico.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's the same guy in the beginning of the episode.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Uncle Rico is Greg Gary.
Oh, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it was a British.

Speaker 5 They were dating.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 4 Well, this show is, you know, there was a storyline where

Speaker 1 Walter Goggins was basically like, I came to Thailand to get vindication because this guy, who's this rich guy who owns a resort with his wife, killed my dad.

Speaker 1 And then he went and confronted him at his house. thought he was going to shoot him, pushed him over, but had peace with it and was like, I finally told him off.

Speaker 1 Then the guy shows up to the resort and confronts Walter Goggins, like, You're a pussy, your mom was a slut. And then Walter Goggins, in like the last 10 minutes, kills the guy.

Speaker 1 And then the other woman's like, Why would you do that? He's your father. It's like, Come on, Goggins' father? Yeah.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 7 So he ended up killing his dad as he was on a mission to kill the guy who killed his dad. Right.
That felt a little ham-fisted.

Speaker 1 It's just a little cheap. And then, uh, I think that

Speaker 7 this is going to be an unpopular opinion, though. I think Chelsea, the British girl that was dating Walter Goggins,

Speaker 7 if if she didn't have funny teeth, she would suck.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I liked her character.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 7 I think she was very likable because she was kind of adorable. But she's British.
But she was British, and all she did was just try to fix a guy that clearly wasn't fixable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. But he was fixed for a minute.

Speaker 1 And then I actually enjoyed... Carrie Croons, I thought, was the star of the show, in my opinion, because I thought she was the girl friendship storyline.

Speaker 1 That was was real.

Speaker 1 That was some good acting.

Speaker 1 But it also just ended, I don't know, the whole ending was just, it felt so abrupt, and then they all just witnessed a mass murder, and then they all just got on the boat and left.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were cool. And Fabian falling in the water was very funny.
Yes. That guy.
He was maybe my favorite. And I didn't like the fucking security guard with his

Speaker 1 girlfriend. Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 Guy was a pussy. He was going for revenge, too, right? No, he was.

Speaker 1 No, he was just a pussy.

Speaker 7 He just knew that he had to to get a shot off, unlike Kelvin Sampson at the end. He's like, I got to make this chick like me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I watched, I enjoyed parts. I didn't love the whole thing.

Speaker 7 What if it was like one of those Disney cinematic universe tie-through stories where Gary was Uncle Rico? Yeah. Like Uncle Rico retires to Thailand.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's what I like to imagine.

Speaker 1 That was my whole thing when I said it last week. Like Gary, just he

Speaker 1 going, just keep going back to White Lotus.

Speaker 1 Like, why would you keep doing that, dude? Go to a Four Seasons. I have a question for you.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Do you think that you would have disliked it as much if it wasn't coming right off of Severance? Because I think that hurt this season.

Speaker 7 No, no, I was watching them both at the same time.

Speaker 5 But Severance is just so much better

Speaker 5 that it made me like White Lotus less.

Speaker 7 No, but I like White Lotus season two and season one a lot.

Speaker 5 But you weren't watching it at the same time as Severance.

Speaker 1 I was.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Because

Speaker 7 I caught up on Severance late.

Speaker 1 I was watching them both concurrently, and I absolutely think that's a fair point.

Speaker 5 Because I was finding myself the same way because I would get so excited for Severance each week. And then when White Lotus came along, I was like, oh, this just isn't the same.

Speaker 1 White Lotus, and maybe I missed the whole thing, but like this idea that it's a very deep show.

Speaker 1 I think this also is just what we do now on the internet, is where we analyze every little thing on a show.

Speaker 1 It happens with Severance, too, where it's like, I don't think they're putting in that many clues to every little thing.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's a show where

Speaker 1 it's fun because you get to watch rich assholes go on vacation. And there's some good parts.
There's some funny parts. It's not like super deep.
Severance made me think a lot more. Yes.

Speaker 1 So I did find myself like, when Severance, when I watched Severance, I was very focused.

Speaker 1 When I watched White Lotus, I was watching it, but I was like, this is just kind of, you know, they're on vacation.

Speaker 7 I think this season of White Lotus, it took a lot longer to get. into any real

Speaker 7 shit. Yeah, eight episodes.
That's why they made the last one an hour and a half is because Mike White was like, oh, shit, I got to to have some stuff happen.

Speaker 1 I got to wrap it up.

Speaker 7 But it was, listen, I still think it was good. Yeah.
I enjoyed watching it, and I'm going to continue to watch it like Big Cat. Like, it's a good, good show.

Speaker 1 It's not, it's my test for every movie or show I watch. If I think about it the morning after when I'm waking up, that means that it like stuck with me and it's really like good.

Speaker 1 I thought about Severance for a couple days after. White Lotus, I watched the finale and I was like, all right, I guess that's that.

Speaker 1 Didn't really think about it the next day. Piper, no.

Speaker 7 Piper, we're on vacation, guys.

Speaker 1 Didn't you think the fake outs of the suicide and everything were just like, like the fifth one was like, all right, guys.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and they got like bloodier and more gruesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just like, come on. And then the milkshakes where it's like, oh, we're finally going to do this.
This guy's going to kill his whole family. Oh, nope.
Milk's gone bad. Yeah.

Speaker 7 There's also, there's a podcast, an accompanying podcast that goes along with White Lotus, which I haven't listened to, but does every new show now have a podcast? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Have to.

Speaker 7 Because I feel like doing a podcast about a show that you watch is the new reading of book.

Speaker 1 I mean, mean technically every old show has a podcast yes and technically we do that this show with pm tv with pm tv

Speaker 7 yeah what happened on last week's pmtv uh last week's pm tv max got invited to the wedding oh let's break that down

Speaker 7 so

Speaker 7 jerry o'connell reached out to us we met big cat and i didn't see it coming yeah

Speaker 1 oh but yeah i i what would you give the season i'd like a b three balls yeah

Speaker 1 it was fine three and a half balls you give it four heck Yeah. I enjoyed the other two CDs more.
Yeah, I could understand it. I did, I did like the

Speaker 1 daughter of the rat lifts. I can't remember her name.
What was her name? Piper. Piper, yeah.

Speaker 1 She is just, she was so perfect of like, I think I'm different than the rich narcissists that populate my family

Speaker 1 only to realize, no, I'm no different. And also have her brother be like, I want to do this with you.
And she's like, oh, now I'm really not different. Yeah.
I can't do this.

Speaker 7 One thing I do like about what Mike White does, though, is he either kills or morally bankrupts every likable character on the show. Yeah.
Like he fucks with the viewer in a fun way.

Speaker 7 That part I like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it really is. Like,

Speaker 1 bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people.
And rich people who are on vacation are some of the worst people out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Any other thoughts, Max? You like it? What would you give it?

Speaker 5 Seven.

Speaker 1 It was perfect. It was six or seven.
That's like a B. Yeah, yeah, that's a B.
It's fine.

Speaker 7 I also read that Woody Harrelson turned down a role.

Speaker 7 He was probably, I would imagine he was going to be Sam Rockwell's character, but he turned down a role because he wanted to go on vacation with his family.

Speaker 7 But when these guys go on to shoot this show, they spend like six months on vacation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Mike White has figured out the Adam Sandler rule.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's the best idea.

Speaker 1 Go to the best locations to film your shows.

Speaker 7 Bring your friends. That's what Adam Sandler did for like 20 years.
Bring all your best friends to a resort and then film a movie there.

Speaker 1 I wonder where next year we'll be.

Speaker 11 Key West, maybe?

Speaker 1 That'd be cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, someone said, I want to see this in like Vale.

Speaker 5 Pug said there's no ocean in the next one.

Speaker 7 There's no, how do we know that, Pug? They did like an inside the episode with Mike White at the end.

Speaker 1 Are they doing Lake Geneva, Wisconsin?

Speaker 7 He just said he's done with the waves crashing theme, so no, no ocean. Put in bay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Inland. Down.

Speaker 1 That would rock.

Speaker 7 Jersey Shore.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 White Lotus Jersey Shore. I'm in.

Speaker 3 A snow trip, a snow one would actually be awesome.

Speaker 1 A Veil, yeah. That one would be awesome.
Or like.

Speaker 3 Switzerland.

Speaker 5 What's the Montana one?

Speaker 5 Big Sky?

Speaker 5 No, Stafford and Yellowstone or something?

Speaker 7 No. You go to Jackson Hawaii.

Speaker 5 Wasn't the one that Stafford and Tom Brady met?

Speaker 3 Yeah, the club. The club.

Speaker 1 What's it called? I don't know. I think it's Yellowstone Club.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Sure. Make it the White Lotus Club.
That would be sick.

Speaker 1 And it's just Jordan Schultz and Ian Ratport fighting.

Speaker 7 Maybe Rosillo can help write it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Good show, boys.
Masters.

Speaker 1 Hank, I don't want you watching any of that 12-2 block on Peacock. Why? Because you didn't want it.

Speaker 4 I did want it. I was bringing to light the fact that it existed.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 You'll never get this. Thanks.

Speaker 1 You'll never get this.

Speaker 7 You'll never get a 50-50.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. I bet you I will first.

Speaker 7 I think I'm just going to have to start doing 50-50s now.

Speaker 7 One other thing about the White Lotus, does anybody else have a problem where they watch like eight episodes episodes of a show that they really enjoy and they get to the end and they realize that you don't know any of the characters' names?

Speaker 7 Yeah, like off the top of your head.

Speaker 1 I was having problems with that, yeah.

Speaker 4 Also, the song from the first season, the intro song, was I was expecting that for this one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they took out

Speaker 1 sucks.

Speaker 7 They took out the Lulu Lu's.

Speaker 7 The guy that wrote the song quit

Speaker 7 because Mike White wouldn't use the Lulu Lu's in it.

Speaker 1 I that song was great, yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh, all right, memes.

Speaker 1 I was trying to get him to false start. Numbers:

Speaker 4 three.

Speaker 7 77.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm wearing it. I'll go 76

Speaker 9 for my boy Luca.

Speaker 5 I'll go 78.

Speaker 1 We're boxing him in.

Speaker 7 65.

Speaker 7 99, Poke

Speaker 1 15.

Speaker 3 21.3.

Speaker 1 96.

Speaker 7 Love you guys.