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Florida Gators are back on top. What did Ian Eagle say? The championship? The championship, yeah.

The championship.

It's pretty good.

What a Final Four.

Let's give it up for the Final Four.

That was incredible.

Great games.

Great games.

We deserve it.

We put in the hard work.

You know that?

I just got crashed by the lighthouse.

We put in the hard work.

Watching the shit.

The shit turned into fertilizer.

We got a beautiful garden that bloomed in the Final Four. I think that Houston was uncomfortable not playing from behind.
Yeah. I feel like Houston had the lead the whole game, and they're like, wait, we're usually the ones that are coming back at the last minute.
Yeah, we can't hold on to the lead. We want to take the lead.
So all three games in the Final Four, the team losing at halftime won the game. That means that it was back and forth, fun basketball.

It wasn't the prettiest game, but it was thrilling,

and we got to see something I never thought I'd see,

where you get a last possession where Houston was not able to get a shot off

because he threw the ball and was going to end up with a traveling violation

if he had touched the ball.

Yeah, that was weird.

Was that the worst final possession of all time in college basketball? It might be. Chris Weber.
Not the final possession, though. Not the final possession.
I mean, I don't know what they were planning on doing. I guess credit to Florida's defense for taking away whatever it is they were trying to do.
But, yeah, they couldn't get a shot off. Well, watching that walter clayton got player of the tournament player of the final four which he deserved he was even on a night when his first three or four shots were comically off and i think that also is part of the the ball being overinflated he was a big part of florida offense you know with his assists in the first half and then he found a little offense late driving to the hole hitting a big part of Florida offense, you know, with his assists in the first half.
And then he found a little offense late driving to the hole, hitting a big three. But Will Richard was the player of the game for this game.
And it was him keeping them afloat in the first half with his threes. And then if you look at the final possession, his on-ball defense in the final possession is where like all the timing for Houston got screwed up.
And when the timing got screwed up, you end up with that possession where Kelvin Sampson was just staring there, not saying anything, watching his dream crumble. Yeah, I feel bad for Kelvin Sampson.
I do too. I was hoping, I mean, I obviously had the future on Florida, but for Kelvin, I don't know if he's going to get back here because this is an old team that he had.
It was – Their culture, though. Yeah.
What was the average age there? Like 21, 21 and a half? Yeah. They were an older team, and they played really hard last night.
I was super impressed with how they defended against Clayton. So what they did in the first half was they had Cryer on him.
Yeah, they blitzed him, too. And they're like, yeah, Cryer, you're going to sprint your ass off.
Like, pretend like you're running around guarding Rip Hamilton for 20 minutes. And then in the second half, we're going to put Sharp on him.
So we'll have someone who's relatively fresh. And they did a great job of stopping him taking away outside shots.
He had great passes to the inside. I didn't know if Condon was going to be enough because Condon, he looked like he was scared.
He can't. That was the big thing with Clayton should have had more assists because his passes were so good.
Great passing. Yeah, the Florida big men, again, their hands didn't work except for Thomas Hawk, who that was the play of the game when he blocked the ball and then went for the and one.
Yeah. That was an incredible play.
But yeah, Condon, I'll say it. He still is so important defensively, but offensively when he gets the ball it's just nervousness i think there have been some games where he looks good offensively but against houston he he wanted no part of having that ball in the paint yeah he would just he would like toss it around to himself dribble it off his leg get it stripped try i think he had like back to back traveling violations yeah uh he was he was scared in the first half, yeah, there were great passes by Clayton.
And then the second half, they kind of figured out different ways that they could score. Completely different halves in terms of how it was officiated, too.
Yeah. So, the stats are insane.
There were four fouls called in the first half. And there were 26 fouls called in the second half.
Two technicals. Also, Todd Golden probably deserves credit, and I hate that the refs became a part of the entire story here, but his technical was maybe the most strategic technical of all time because after his technical foul, which was, I think, like three or four minutes into the second half, the fouls went 13 to three on Houston.
Yeah. Good move by him.
It was because remember the second half started. I think Florida had five fouls in two and a half minutes.
Yeah. Two of those fouls were phantom calls.
Yeah. Two were really, really bad.
And then there was a bad no call that they had too. And so after the first bad call, I could tell Golden's he's going to get a technical here.
Yeah. Watch.
He's like – he knows that he's out of the box. By the way, I love the box that they put on coaches.
Yeah. Because no coach stays in the box ever.
It's just if you get worn three times and you still – you go further outside the box, that's when they hit you with a tee. Yeah.
We also – speaking of the refs, I feel like Seth Davis had – like he would be my LVP for the. Because, remember, he was carrying water for Kevin Willard earlier in the tournament.
Not understanding how fans, you know, interact in sports. I had Jeff Goodman as mine.
Jeff Goodman also. Well, he's, I don't even know if he can register because he's like, this guy sucks.
It sucks talking about him because he doesn't know who we are. So he's not ever going to hear this.
Correct. It feels like I'm just yelling into the ether.
Yeah, no idea who we are.

Seth Davis, though, tweeted this about the refs.

I've always disagreed with the argument that the refs should call it the same

the whole game.

The game changes.

Sometimes you need to blow the pee.

I called it a pee.

Blow the pee?

Sometimes you need to blow the pee to tighten things up.

They did.

The players adjusted, and we got an amazing final 12 minutes.

Reffing is more art than science.

I don't call physical play or something uh that happens in the first half and then all of a sudden they decide that they're going to call that a foul, that's very confusing for the players and usually gives us a worse product because the players do not have consistency. There's a reason they wear black and white.
Yeah. It's not art.
It's black and white. One or the other, yeah.
Do all refs wear black and white, though? On a basketball court. Yeah.
I feel like in the NBA, it's like gray. It might be gray.
There are shades of gray in there. On a college basketball.
Stripes. He made a good joke and a good pun.
Give it to him. It's a great pun.
It's not art. It's not art.
But that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I think that's very stupid.
Like, can you imagine a baseball umpire being like, the strike zone, you know, it changes inning to inning. No.
Like, be consistent. That's the one thing.
If you're going going to listen, if you're going to blow the P 26 times in the second half, then blow the P 26 times in the first half. If you're going to be bad, be consistently bad.
Yeah. If you're going to be good, be consistently good.
Like that's actually, it's the exact opposite of how I view officiating. There are some times you watch a game and you see the refs are like, all right, it's going to be one of those nights.
And you just, and then everyone adjusts adjusts to have it be it's not one of those nights and then halftime happens and they're like no it is one of those nights that sucks i have another complaint about the officiating this has been bugging me for i feel like three years now why do they insist on having that that weird angle camera every time they're watching the review and then making the announcement the one that's like it looks like it's done on a laptop camera like a front-facing laptop camera where they stare into it and every single one of them looks like a serial killer about to murder somebody yeah it's a blowjob it's a blowjob it's the what she sees yeah right exactly and every ref looks like a complete creep just get get a normal camera i agree it's so stupid it makes me hate the refs more also i i did grow to hate gene steritor i loved him at the end i went the other way you you ended up liking him i ended up missing him yes stay strong on sunday i was like man i really wish gene steritor could just pop into my life right now you got to stay strong it was uh i wish someone had done i next year we'll do it where it's just one shining moment but it's's just Gene Steratore's graphic popping up. It's like over and over.

It's like being the mayor of New York City.

No matter what you do, everybody's going to hate you.

Yeah.

If you are the person who is in charge of busting in the broadcast like 20 times in three minutes to analyze if a ball hit off a guy's knee when we can all see that it hit off his knee.

And they're like, OK, let's get Gene Steratore in because he's the only guy that can tell us if this ball actually hit off the guy's knee or if we're just seeing things yeah

gene what do you think that's it makes me hate you i don't want to hate gene i just missed him

because i he became such a big part of my life it was like uh it's like you know getting like an

office wife or an office husband gene steritor we watched so much basketball he was kind of getting

office hot to me office i was kind of being like gene ster Steratore is doing it for me. When he pops in, he's like, I don't know.
It could go either way. Thanks, Gene.
Really needed that opinion. And he makes some little joke.
I didn't like how jokey they got. They got really jokey.
That's why you got to get Mike Carey back. Yeah.
We need to bring him back into the national discussion. Yeah.
But yeah, credit to Florida. So Florida's path was pretty impressive.
So starting with the SEC tournament, Florida went on to beat Missouri, who is ranked 19th in Ken Palm, Alabama 6, Tennessee 5, then go to the tournament. They win their first-round game.
UConn, defending champs 32 maryland 10 texas tech 9 auburn 4 houston 2 so they went on a path where they beat uh six top 10 teams to get to this championship the only you know they were they were ranked third they ended up beating the two four five and six ranked teams in ken pom so du Duke was the only one that they didn't rank or didn't beat. It was a hell of a gauntlet, and they did it, and Florida's back on top.
I also saw – I was reading an article last night. I think it was on The Athletic where it was like February 26, 2006 was when Florida lost their last game and then went on to win a title.
February 27, 2007 was when they lost their last game to go on and win on a title. And then this year, they lost their last game February 25th and then just went.
So it's something about those late February losses. And then Florida, when they've won their three titles, have just gone, ripped them all off.
That's wild. Yeah.
I think the story from this Final Four, though, if we're going to think back, put yourself in a time machine 10 years from now.

Duke.

Duke losing is still the story of the Final Four.

Yes.

I will die on that hill.

Houston choked.

You didn't remember.

It was one possession.

Blew that game.

Hank, I said it was maybe the worst possession I've ever seen.

But it was before that they choked.

They did choke.

They had turnovers on, I think, their last four possessions.

Yeah.

Which is crazy.

Yeah.

Houston choked, but also Houston.

Florida also traveled twice on that press break.

No, the ball handler traveled.

I know the one you're talking about with Clayton.

I don't think he traveled.

The other one, yes.

He took like 20 steps in two seconds.

No, he did not take 20 steps.

I think there were probably two missed calls. But, I were either way they were close enough yeah houston did also there was the goaltending that they didn't review yeah that was important it turns out hey that's art that's art they can't review that because they didn't call it so if they if they called it on the floor they could look at it be like yeah we got it right but they didn't call it so instead we just came back from commercial and they were like look at this goaltending call that they missed nothing's going to change yeah look hank you probably aren't wrong because uh houston did lead the game for all but 17 seconds in the first 39 minutes and then uh elijah martin hit two free throws or one free throw with 46 seconds remaining and that was it like that's hank had a future on houston am i am i reversing the narrative that you always win the big bets in my face and i'm i kind of reversed it yeah i did feel bad because it was like it sucked that we were i appreciated you feel i i didn't i didn't think you needed to feel bad like that's like when it's when it's but it's head to head but it's different when it's future against future i know that.
But it still sucks. If we both were like nuke versus nuke, that's one thing.
Yeah, it's true. You can't plan on that.
If anything, that just means that this podcast knows ball. Yeah, true.
Yeah, I won a very large sum of money, and I think I still am down in March Madness. But that's okay.
I'm a losing gambler. I've never said different counts, not empty.
The account's not empty, but there's a lot of people being like, show you all your losers. Like, hey, buddy, there's a lot of them.
I will never admit it different. I'm a loser.
A solemn promise to you all. I will never check and see how much money I've lost.
I will when I write like a biography in like 40 years. And then I can like, you know, they'll have

me on whatever the next Dan Patrick is.

And I can be like, it says here in your book, you lost $30 million gambling.

Like, yep, it's true.

That's not what the number is right now.

I'm down.

I'm down big this year.

And I hit the Travis Hunter Heisman future.

Yeah, that was the biggest future of my life.

I went Scooble, Travis Hunter, Eagles and Florida. You win.
And I'm down. Plus 16 and 0 mixed in the middle of that.
And I'm still down. So that gives you a little insight of how I am as a game.
Maybe buy those candles. I just love the people being like, show your losers.
Like, dude. And then thank you to everyone who came to my defense.
They're like, he's said a billion times that he's a loser like that's just i'm actually on documented record yeah yeah when they went when pen went to to trial against the massachusetts government they're like he's the biggest gambling loser of all time historically but uh yeah it was it was i think we'll remember duke yeah i mean that's got to be the I mean, that's got to be the big story, right?

It's got to be the big story. I actually do believe that.
Yeah. That 10 years from now, we'll remember that Florida won a national title.
Will we remember it as much as – because here's the difference, Hank, between Duke's choke and – You're saying it's USA-Russia? No. USA-USSR? They're supposed to be Duke.
yeah well and also I

I think if you had to if you had to make

a bet on

uh Russia no it's a USSR they're supposed to be Duke yeah well and also I I think if you had to if you had to make a bet on uh what player from these four teams is going to have a career that we talk about for a long time it's Cooper Flagg and guess what happened with Cooper Flagg in his last you know tournament game he choked so that's where the storyline comes yeah a lot of choking I think it'll be remembered as the final four of chokes. The chokes? Yeah.
Kelvin Sampson, I do feel bad. He was on win number 799.
So this would have been 800. Brutal.
He probably would have retired, right? I don't know. At 800? His son is coaching waiting, Kellen.
He's, yeah, he's been right there. He just, I'll say this about Kelvin Sampson, incredible coach, just needs to figure out how to get a little bit more moisture in his mouth.
Yeah. He is a big time dry mouth guy.
He is. He is.
He also is a coach that every time I see him, I think he's going to be fatter than he is. Yeah.
I think it's the name kelvin kelvin he like i i assume every time the camera pans so i'm like wow he's lost a lot of weight but i say that every time i see him adding an l to kevin makes you fatter yeah it should like when you close your eyes hey that's that's kelvin coming down the street i'm like whoa that guy's a big boy it's how you say kevin while you're swallowing a bite of sandwich. Yeah, your mouth is full.
Kelvin. Yeah.
And then Florida. Yeah, I mean, this Final Four or this championship game, for everyone who says that college basketball is dying, yes, obviously there's some issues, NIL and transfer, but there were no five-star recruits in this game and there were no freshmen in this game.
So maybe there was a freshman. I know Florida has a freshman.
Maybe it was the starters, no five stars, no freshmen. So it's not just you could load the, you know.
Duke would have been the team. You're like, NIL has ruined it.
They just paid $20 million for their roster. That didn't happen.
So it turns out that the only thing that we could say after the tournament was over, if Duke had won, NIL ruined college basketball. And since Florida won and they didn't have freshmen, it's college basketball alive and well.
Alive and well. Although I hate after big games like this, seeing Olivier Roux go out on the court and cut down the nets and not have to jump at all.
Yeah. With seven foot eight guys, seven foot nine guy in Florida who doesn't play because he's a freshman.
I just wish that we had seen him play yeah i agree he'll play he's gonna be a freak um and it was also like i said my my player of the game was will richard it was i'm a sap for this stuff he was the first guy to commit to todd golden when he took over at florida i always love those stories where it's like he was the first one to believe in what would end up being three years

down the line a national championship.

He was my guy. He was the guy who built it all around.

That's the foundation block. Do we have

a top 25 for next year already?

I love the sickos that do

those lists the second the game's over.

Phantom made one.

Kentucky, Duke, Kansas,

maybe UNC.

I'm going to say Creighton's going to be somewhere around 12. Where's Creighton? Oh, Creighton's 22.
He's got Houston at one. Houston, Purdue, Louisville, Duke, UConn, Texas Tech, Alabama, St.
John's, UCLA, Iowa State. That's your top ten.
I love that. Congrats to Iowa State.
There was a guy on, fuck, I can't remember. It might be like JBB Bracketology or something.
I can't remember. No, JBR Bracketology is someone I follow.
He's a really good college who's followed. But there's a guy who did Bracketology already.
Love that. Before it was, I think he did on Saturday.
Who were the first four teams out? I don't know who the first four teams out was I just immediately looked Wisconsin got an eight seed I would just assume that was cool if you're doing bracketology for next year already you're only doing it oh there it is just have the first four teams out so you can stick it to fan bases that you don't like Mr. Brackets three he's got uh Houston as your one seed in the south Duke is one seed in the east.
Kentucky is your one seed in the Midwest and Purdue out west going to be tough for the Boilermakers out going out west. I pulled that up pretty quick.
You did. Is Villanova on there? Villanova's not on there, but Robert Wright coming to Nova.
I feel like they reversed where West Virginia should be in Xavier. I feel like those two are backwards in this one.
Did the committee get it wrong? The committee got it wrong. I just love the commitment to do a bracketology.
When did he post this? Great job, Max, by pulling that up. When did he post this? This was on April 5th at 218.
So this was before the Final Four was played. I love that.
I love that. That's a commitment right there.
That's actually a great way to take away some of this. If your team doesn't get into the NCAA tournament, there should be a guy that does this for next year and put all those bubble teams in.
And actually be like, look, we're building something. You got it.
You're on the way. All right.
So, yeah, good. Bad tournament.
Great Final Four. Yeah.
I think that's fair to say. You got to get a shot off.
Got to get a shot off. Me? That's probably, I mean, with Houston, you take the good with the bad.
They practice so much in like loose ball drills and not shooting. You revert back to your training.
What do you think would have happened if he had picked up the ball? Do you think the refs would have been, they would have mean we could have had the the biggest missed call of all time right like just put the pressure on them i also think he should have he should have touched it just because then they would have still been like whatever five seconds left and you force them florida goes goes makes a free throw yeah force me to call if they make the call florida makes a free throw or two that then it would be game. But if they make one, you still got a shot.
Yep. Yeah.
He should have touched it all time. Oh, that's so unsatisfying if you're a Houston fan.
I don't know what. You just have that playing in your head forever.
I'd say that was kind of what felt like a win the whole game, too. Like they were winning that game.
You just need a shot. You need a shot at the end of the game.
And especially, I mean, the play they ran was to shoot a three. They should have went right away.
Sprinted right at the rim. Yeah.
And tried to get a rebound. That's what I didn't understand was why take it down that far? Why not give yourself a shot to, if they get a rebound, get a foul, and play it out from there, give yourself multiple opportunities to not get a shot off? When I watched it back, I was looking at it, and it looked like what they were hoping for.
Basically, Will Richards' defense got all of the sequence of screens out of order for Houston, and they were just all a little bit late, and the the pass wasn't really crisp but I think what they were trying to do was

get Condon to come out on the three

and it would have left J1

Roberts and Clayton

going for the rebound so you basically

take a three with five seconds left and you're big

and then you have a huge mismatch under the boards

also I feel like J1 Roberts

could get a rebound even if there are three other guys around him

yeah that shot he hit off the

backboard that was insane

I woke up this morning and and my first thought was, how did Florida win this game? Yeah. Like, it's crazy.
It was a great comeback by Florida. They were never in control of this game.
Never. Not even at the end.
It's like, oh, here comes Houston. They're going to either hit a three or get a rebound because that's what they always do.

Like if you're trailing and what were they down by 12 points?

I think they're down 12.

They were down 10 almost instantly in the second half.

Yeah.

You're down 12 and you get two technicals.

Yeah.

And you still come back and win.

That's crazy.

It was that Thomas Hawk block and and one was an incredible,

incredible play.

He played his balls off.

Yep.

He was,

he was a dude.

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So they could end up being the eight seed. Memes had an interesting theory that he's been reading about online.
I don't know. Oh, you mean Luka Doncic? Nope.
Nope. Our guy Memes decided to show up to work today dressed as Luka Doncic.
I don't know. I've never seen it before.
He's wearing a Luka Doncic. Mavericks.
Mavericks. Luka Doncic hoodie.
Is that a... It's a sweatshirt.
A hersey. A hersey? I think a sweatshirt jersey.
A sweatshirt jersey. And then matching sweatpants and then has his shoes and socks exactly like Luka would wear.
Yeah. So he's just channeling Luka on the Mavs.
And he's been drinking beers all day. And he said...
And what? Hookah. And Hookah.
Memes was like, is it sex trafficking? That was his theory on Michael Brown. That was...
I mean, the Denver Airport, weird shit goes on there. Was it the Jokic brothers that just went into the Nuggets facilities? Like, fire him now.
I coach the team now. No, I mean, I read who knows what actually happened.
Apparently, the GM and Michael Malone did not speak, and they were not on good terms. So they're firing both of them? So they're like, fuck it, we'll fire both of them? Me personally, I would keep the coach that won an NBA title.
I would keep the coach that you're winning. Right before the playoffs.
You're winning as coach of all time. You're NBA title coach.
The only one you have in your history of your franchise right before the playoffs. Makes no sense.
I always go back to whenever these things happen, Jokic had to sign off on this, right? I would think so.

But also, Jokic is someone who's like, he's the type of guy who I feel like he wouldn't demand anything.

After the Luka thing, when it was like, you would think someone along the way would have been like, we're not doing this.

And that didn't happen.

It feels like anything's possible.

But with Jokic, I feel like he's always teetering on the edge of being like, you know, I don't really like playing basketball. I'd rather just hang out with my horses.
You don't want to piss him off. Yeah.
So I feel like you have to have that conversation with him. Right.
Right before the playoffs. I know they've lost four in a row, but Jamal Murray's been in and out.
So, like, you still have the best player in the world right now. Yeah.
So that leads me to only think that he would have signed off on this. Yeah.
Also, Calvin Booth, the GM, tough day for him because his face is weird. Yeah, there were some pictures of him that kind of looked like he was melting.
Yeah, someone said it looks like they put Nick Cage's face inside of his. Inside of a tanning bed? Yeah.
Can you pull up his picture? Yeah, I mean, that's just, listen, sucks to get fired. Sucks even more for everyone to be like, Oh, that's what you look like.
Let's take a look at this guy. Cause I, I only saw the graphic that Sean.
Yeah. It's just why the long face Calvin.
Yeah. Yeah.
So Calvin booth, it's a, it's a very, that first picture right there. That's not great.
It's a very strange time to do all this. Very strange.
Like really, really strange. The owner, Josh Kranke, he gave us a press conference today and they asked him about it.
Wait, does he have any relationship to Stan? I'll have to look that up. He might.
Yeah. Good for him.
Another Kranke getting a team? Yeah. But he's independently wealthy, I'm sure.
His message to the team was play hard and have fun so they're going the mighty duck strategy they're going yeah gordon bombay that would be funny if they just hired emilio estevez like we don't yokage can draw up the plays i'm just here to throw the beach ball out there and have some fun so i guess they're just going to go with the uh their assistant coach as an interim for the playoffs okay i this is Coaching by committee? This is stupid. This makes no sense.
Aren't those Mike Malone's coaches? Michael. Michael.
Yeah. But aren't they just...
Say the question again. Aren't those Michael Malone's coaches? Thank you.
Yes, they are. So if you're firing your coach...
Your post Malone. Yeah.
Why would you not bring him new help? If you don't believe in Michael Malone, how could you believe in his assistants? That would be my question. Fair, fair question.
And will those assistants coach hard for you after you fired their guy? Right. One of them will.
One of them definitely is like, this is my shot. The rat? Yeah, and then it will become a whole thing.
Wait, who is this? What do you think about this guy david edelman okay he's got uh he's got cute cheeks and who are rosy they are who else is is coaching for them so they're really going by committee i think this is a guy oh he did he did they did make it officially he's the interim okay because i was gonna say if they that would be very funny if it was like four guys and they took turns on the quarters you're actually asking for huge reduction from a guy who's never done it before at this level that's what wind horse said i agree with wendy wendy's hair is so on point it's a good suit too this fucking guy he just he serves looks fucking love wendy he's gonna he'll be on for the playoffs uh you guys excited for the masters i know we got max uh homa and shane bacon by the way max awesome interview he's maybe not playing the best golf of his career right now or he isn't but he we got him i feel like we it was a good good time to just go back to the old conversation with Max Holman.

I'm very excited about it, Big Cat.

I know that Sunday is maybe the best nap day of the entire calendar year when you're watching the final round.

I think it's Saturday.

I actually have become more of a Friday Masters guy.

Oh.

Friday Masters before the cut, it's like a little mini championship.

It's like everybody is fighting for something. I like Saturday just because Sunday, I don't want to miss anything.
And Saturday is just a perfect Saturday afternoon. They do the thing where you can't watch the coverage on TV until like 3 o'clock.
And then it comes on and you kind of doze off. Then you wake up for the last four or five holes.
What do you say, Max? Why can't you watch all of the Masters? I don't understand. There's no other sports going on at this time.
Everyone wants to watch the whole thing. The first two rounds, they've expanded their coverage.
Yeah, and Max, you can download. There should be no question of whether there is coverage or not.
I agree. You can download the app.
You can download the app. But then the amount of times that i've bet on somebody and you can't watch yes and you're just going through like the masters tracker and just waiting and refreshing and refreshing it's so annoying the most frustrating thing that happens every single year on saturday the masters is it like two o'clock they're like here is an hour of a jack nicholas documentary like just give us the we know they're playing yeah they're playing the masters right now it's usually like 30 minutes about how sam sneed named a tree yeah but that but the answer to your question max is it's the master so they get to make all the rules they get to do whatever they want that's really all it is they have a one-year contract with cbs and they basically call up CBS and say, yeah, you know what? We'll keep you for another year.
Like, imagine CBS is kind of the cuck in this relationship. They go from 12 to 7 on Saturday.
Is that real 12 to 7? 12 to 2 on Peacock. On the cock.
What about the morning? Who cares? On Saturday, Sunday, it's like...

It's moving day, bro.

But anyone that's...

12 to 7 is a long fucking time.

Dipple heads like us?

Yeah.

No, you're going to want to see how the course looks in the morning.

What's going on from 8 to 12?

What are they showing that they can't show masks?

I actually realized Max just wanted to post up and watch...

No, but I just like having it on.

Here's the thing, though.

And Max makes a good point.

Like, they could be lying to us about what happens earlier in the day.

Right.

They could just make up the scores and be like, oh, this is crazy.

Tiger Woods shot another great round early in the day on Saturday.

You didn't see it.

Also, why are you defending?

Why?

You should be on my side here.

I am on your side, but I do think the Masters, in terms of golf tournaments, at least, like,

there's a lot of golf tournaments where there's much worse viewing experiences. The Masters gives you a lot.
But I want all of it. I want more.
That's fair. I want everything.
I don't care about golf except for the majors or if we have a bet on a guy that weekend. Just give you the golf.
Give me the golf. Give me all of it.
I agree. When I wake up on Saturday morning, it's like, oh, the Masters is on.
Let me just throw this on my TV while I'm doing other things. Why can't I have that on my TV? It is also the most peaceful tournament.
So I don't even care. They don't even have to.
They could show a shot every 10 minutes. And as long as I have it on my TV, I'm going to take a nice nap.
100% correct. Yeah.
And they do the less commercials. Hank's been compromised.
I don't even know. Hank just likes to defend all of the golf.
No, no, no, no, no. You're defending the wrong golf here, bro.
I just, it's true. Hank thinks he's going to play at Augusta someday.
Max was like, I think we should be able to watch more golf. And Hank's like, no.
Yeah. That doesn't add up.
You want to play at Augusta. Why would Hank say that? Do you want to play at Augusta? No.
You don't want to play at Augusta? There's no world where I'm playing at Augusta. There's 0% chance.
There's definitely not a world you're playing at Augusta if you have a take like Max. Max is definitely not playing at Augusta.
Are you negging the course right now? I'm not playing at Augusta. I'm opting out of playing at Augusta.
I also will opt out because I want more fucking golf. Yeah.
All right. Fair.
Me too. Fuck the Masters.
Oh, no, Hank. Why would you say that? Oh, we just dragged you down into the mud with us.
I also love the caddy uniforms at Augusta. The caddy uniforms are priceless.
They're like little smocks that they get them. Are you trying to play at Augusta? No.
You haven't opted out yet, though. No, I have opted out.
You forget, Big Cat, like three years ago on this show, I said, I don't want to play at Augusta. I'm not Augusta material.
I'm opting out. And you said you wouldn't want to play at Augusta.
I would want to play at Augusta. I would want to play at Augusta, but now I can't because I'm saying fuck the master.
I definitely would want to play at Augusta. I've been opted out.
Like if they asked ask me, I absolutely would. Hank still allowed the putt, though.
We'll get to that later. I just want to clear.
Hank still allowed the putt. Fuck the Masters, but if they actually did invite us, like, I would play it.
For the record, I don't. We're never getting invited.
No one is getting invited. But we would.
I don't know that I would because Augusta. I would.
Augusta would lose so much of its shine, so much of its st for me the second they invite me I'm like that's kind of gross you guys you guys are doing too much yeah I'm thank you want to fuck the masters but you would yeah okay Max would you I'm never I won't even I won't even play on this show I'm that bad. But you would.
I would not.

If you were asked to play at Augusta. That sounds like he wants to play.

I don't want

to play. If they asked you

to play at Augusta on a

fucking random day in July,

I don't even know if it's open in July. I think it's closed.

It's closed in July. Whenever it's open.

Jeffrey

Lurie calls you up and says, Max, you're my

number one guy. Do you want to go play Augusta with me? Well, that's how it would have to be because it would have to be some crazy rich dude.
But that wouldn't be to play at Augusta. That would be to play with Jeffrey Lurie.
So Jeffrey Lurie says, Hey, Max, I'm not going to make it, but I want you to play in my place at Augusta. Well, that would be Big Dom asking me.
Or would it be Big Jom? I don't know who that is. That's a good question.
I would never play. Yeah, I'm not.
I would never play. I'm too bad at golf.
If Sydney Sweeney were to DM me, I would never go out with her. But if she DMed me, I would go out with her, too.
Yeah, same. If she DMed you, she's like, do you want to go out on a date? Yeah.
Yeah. I would.
That would be good for the show. Yeah, it'd be good.
I would approve of you doing that. It'd be really good for the show.
You should work on that. Yeah.
It would be better for... It would be better...
I'll work just as hard as that as playing at Augusta. What do you think is more likely? I'd like to win the lottery.
Sydney Sweeney. Never gonna.
You think Sydney Sweeney DMing you out of nowhere and being like, let's fuck, is more likely than i think she's classier than that i think she'd she'd want to you know go on a date make sure we have chemistry but yeah yeah yeah no one plays it like way more likely yeah you work on the at the number one sports podcast in america and you think it's more likely that sidney sweeney fucks you than augusta invites you. I kind of agree with him.
No one plays at Augusta. Yeah, I kind of agree with him.
Listen, nobody fucks Sidney Sweeney either. Well, someone does.
I think it's, I'm kind of on PFT side here. Yeah.
I think that's, listen, both are very unlikely. Hank is.
Hank doesn't even want to watch the Masters. That's true.
Yeah, I'm 0-2 on the 50-50. We're four Cubs games in.
You probably didn't buy that many tickets, though. Yeah, I probably didn't buy that many tickets.
You know what? Here's another thing. If we're ranting, Max, the 50-50 now, they don't print out all your numbers.
You just get one number. It's bullshit.
What does that even mean? You have to check a website. And then you're like, oh, I lost.
I spend like $200, $300 every time they give me one number. I don't understand it.
I feel like I'm getting robbed. Do they give you like from this number to this number? No, it's just one number.
I don't get it. I don't understand what changed.
They're robbed. Do you think I've just got robbed? I think you're getting robbed.
Fuck. I think you're getting robbed.
think you're getting robbed that robbed make that make sense at the blackhawks game i think i bought 300 bucks worth of 50 50s they sent me an email yeah there's a qr code i get yeah i get an email with a bunch of numbers and then i click a button and then it takes me to a website that tells me that i lost the 50 50 yeah i'm like i paid 300 to read a website i also don't think that you should be able to buy 50 50s if you're not at the game agree that's bullshit i would never want to win a 50 50 if i wasn't there like i get people will send me like oh this 50 50 you can buy it's like dude i gotta be there for the record go to the game i would like to win a 50 50 at a game that i'm not at i'll never enter but in in theory i would like to get an email being not me i guess actually in theory i would too yeah but i wouldn't count it as my 50 50 right you just be like i just won a lot of money i got paid money yeah not i won the 50 50 it would be kind of like not pointing fingers in here but like someone in this room saying that they've gotten the lottery ball when they clearly have not because it was someone else's lottery ball that kind of situation like if I wasn't at the game, I'm not going to count it. Well, that never happened.
Yeah, PFT just got it. Yeah, I nailed it.
And Memes still has not. I got it twice.
Hey, what's going to happen first? Me win the 50-50 or Memes get the lottery ball? I'm going to say Big Cat win the 50. Do you think Hank is going to impregnate Sidney Sweeney or

Memes is going to get the lottery ball first?

Better chance for Hank.

Hank only does butt stuff, though.

Hank is fucking good looking.

Thank you.

My guy.

Look at him today.

He's wearing his Augusta green.

Not really, but yeah.

Yeah, you are.

Six pack coming.

It is.

I can't wait.

Is it going to be?

Is it arriving before or after the dunk before oh okay so you're going six pack then dunk yeah i'm going six pack summer and then once summer's over i'm gonna i'm gonna because the six pack predates the dunk yeah you said you're gonna get six pack like three years ago yeah and the time has come i think we all said that yeah now is there going to be a real six pack or is it going to be just like oh you got the dick dick bones uh we'll see i mean it might be like you know camera angles and stuff but okay something will be there okay we'll have sydney sweeney come and judge yeah if it's a real six pack or not uh okay let's do hot seat cool throne then we'll get to our interviews uh with max homa and shane bacon hot seat cool throws brought to you by our friends at truly truly unruly lemonade is here and it combines the high elk fun of truly unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade it's out now level up your lemonade eight percent abv a hundred percent delicious four supercharged lemonade flavors. Bumpin' Blue Raz OG Original Lemonade.
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This seems bad.

So,

yeah. 10,000 years and scientists used like old DNA from fossils and just remade dire wolves? This seems bad.
So yeah, the source I saw said that they use DNA that's like somewhere between 10,000 and 72,000 years old to recreate these wolves. But then, but then Hank, I dug a little bit deeper and went to a better source, Alex Jones.
And Alex Jones says that the wolf resurrection story is tied to gain of function bioweapon research. So I don't know if we should be so pumped up about these direwolves.
Then I actually went back and read a real source. And they said that with these wolves, they took gray wolves and then they altered their genetics.
So it's not like they're getting old DNA and just duplicating them.

They're taking existing gray wolf DNA and then going in and fucking with it.

I mean, that's Planet of the Apes.

I've never seen Jurassic Park.

It's Jurassic Park.

And Planet of the Apes.

Is it more Jurassic Park?

I think it's more Jurassic.

The entire plot of Jurassic Park was there's a zoo and we found dino DNA.

And bingo, dino DNA. It's bad's bad this is really bad why are we doing this i'm okay with it because it does bring us closer to potentially doing an actual jurassic park which i think would be bad that'd be a great idea really bad you wouldn't go to a jurassic park i didn't go see the movie yeah but in real life if if there's a zoo and it's like we got a fucking T-Rex, and then over here we got Triceratops, and you can pet the Triceratops.
You'd say not for me? I think I'd just look from afar and by far mean on my phone. Jurassic Park is one of those things that it's a piece of art, and it's a book and a movie that's supposed to warn us about the dangers of playing God.
To me, when I see that, I'm like, we want to i want to see dinosaur in real life i think i'm good with the dire wolf i don't really want to fuck with the dire wolf i'm cool with it you need horses yeah it makes no sense although cool in game of thrones but that's game of thrones that's game of thrones i don't want real life to be game of thrones i actually didn't know that dire wolves were a real thing outside of game of Thrones. Me neither.
I thought it was like a parody thing. I thought I was reading a Game of Thrones Twitter account and I was like, this is real.
This is bad. Wait, you actually wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park? I didn't see the movie.
No, but you wouldn't go see a fucking dinosaur? I'd have to see the movie first and I'm not going to see the movie. I would go see raptors.
It'd be sweet, man. I'd feel like a fraud going to to Jurassic Park without seeing the movie first.
I'm the biggest loser. I've only seen Jurassic World.
I've never seen Jurassic Park. That's worse than never seeing Jurassic World.
Yeah, I'm actually the same. Oh, shit.
I love that. Love that.
Yeah, I mean, I've had this theory. People know.
Ada Bills know. I had this theory that everyone has one or two of these movies.
We did a Mount Rushmore last year of just one or two of these movies. You just didn't see, and you just haven't seen, and you probably won't see.

I'm going to watch it.

It shocks everyone.

I'm going to watch it.

That's a promise to you.

I don't care.

Well, I'm telling you.

Were you promising me?

The listener.

Oh, okay.

I was like, you were looking right at me.

I don't give a fuck if you watch it or not.

Didn't we say when we did the Mount Rushmore that whatever we put on our

Mount Rushmore, we were making a promise to never see? I didn't put that on my Mount Rushmore. You didn't put that on Mount Rushmore.
I will not be seeing it. My cool throne is Caitlin Clark.
A video footage released of her scoring 22 points in two minutes against an Iowa men's scout team in scrimmage. She was hitting like half court runners with a hand in her face.
It looks like AI. It looks like one of those like old commercials, you know, like Michael Vick LeBron when they shoot from full court or throw a football through the roof.
Like she was just pulling up contested basically at half court, swishing everything.

Yep.

Amazing.

Ultimate cool throne.

Yeah.

Also, the ratings are like, I think it was 10 million less for the national championship this year.

And that's why.

Clips like that.

Yeah.

I mean, she's insane.

I still think Paige Becker is going to be a better pro.

Kayla Clark's really good. I know.

I know.

I think Paige is going to be better. I'm a juju guy.
See if she gets back from her ACL. Yeah, these shots are insane.
Absolutely insane. Imagine being one of these guys that plays.
Because these guys who play against the women's team are good basketball players. Yeah.
Like guys who are good in high school. Actually, it looks like Max is playing center there.
I don't know about that. There's a lot of headbands out there.
Yeah. Now that I'm looking at it again, that's Max playing center.
The guy wearing like three shirts and sweating through all of them. Yeah.
Yeah. So, I mean, these are impressive shots no matter who is playing on defense.
Yes. Agreed.
Okay. PFT, your hot seat, cool thrown.
Yeah. I mean, Hank stole my hot seat.
Hot two hot too good job hank thank you um my cool throne is jinxes because i i jinxed myself on monday's part of my take hard hard during the uber eats ad read saying it had been like four four and a half five months since i've ordered the wrong place i came in on on monday and i ordered my lunch to my house hank by the way hank just got up and left in the middle of an episode you'll see when we start to interview shane bacon yeah later on today's episode he walks in and he does the nicest most casual little stroll like he's out for a sunday walk to pick up the paper at the end of the driveway have you ever seen the movie signs yeah when the alien comes by for the first time yeah that's what yeah that's what hank does across the camera and then he sits down and and max is like what's going on then hank gets mad at max for telling him hey we started the interview already he looks at his watch like you guys are the one we started i think a minute early maybe and he was like i thought we were starting at nine he said i thought we were starting at 9 45 and when he texted me it was 9 945. Is something on fire? His car better be on fire.
The way he just walked out mid-sentence on you. He texted us saying, one second, sorry.
PFT, that was rude. I mean, it's not rude because I've come to expect this from him.
That's true. That was literally mid-sentence.
He just stood up and left. He's like, I got done talking about the video that I saw Dave tweet earlier and an article that I saw somebody else retweet yesterday.
So I'm going to get up. My job here is done.
My job's done. See you guys.
Where the fuck is he? Oh, shit. What am I going to talk about for hot seat? Let me see what Dave said.
All right. Yeah, I'll just say what he said.
He's going to be so upset that this is this conversation. I mean, you can't just leave right in front of us and expect us to be like, oh, okay.
If he had said something to us, like, hey, I got to go shit. All right.
He's probably jacking off. So you did the Uber Eats thing again? Actually, all that Masters talk.
Yeah. So on Monday, the very next meal that I had after I made the statement of what the hot streak I've had.
Yeah, just sent it to the wrong place.

And it's in my house still because I brought it in when I got home.

That's such a sad thing to bring inside.

Yeah.

You're the front door and here's a six-hour-old lunch.

Yeah, that's tough.

And you just bring it inside and put it and stare at it for the rest of the day.

Don't say anything because I'm going to use it as my hot seat because he stole mine.

Okay.

So that's my cool throw is Jinx's.

So reset the counter to zero.

Yeah.

All right. My hot seat is Hank.
What was that? I said sorry. What happened? Someone was calling me like three times in a row.
I thought it was an emergency. Who was it? My buddy, Jack.
I didn't know what was going on. I said sorry.
Is Jack okay? Yeah. We thought there was like a car on fire.
I would have said it's an emergency. I you want to we also talked about the fact that you walked sonnet right in front of the camera to start shane bacon we i walked it at four whatever 9 44 and you the interview was had started max has time stamps to say differently that's not what i said that.
That's not what I said. I literally said exactly that.

I said the interview started in one minute, one minute early.

Yeah, I was confused.

I thought I was like 15 minutes late because you guys were in rhythm.

Is everything okay?

Everything's fine.

I said, I would have said it's an emergency.

I said, I'm going to call him back.

I thought it was an emergency.

I didn't get the text until after you had left.

And I was like, that was a confident. Just don't listen to the last five minutes.
I said one second, sorry. On text, yeah.
You did. All right, that was my hot seat, because I was direwolf, too.
So, thanks. Actually, you know what? Credit to Hank.
He gave me a hot seat. Yeah.
What? I didn't... I.
I appreciate that. You're welcome.
What about hot seat Drake May? Because the Boston media is asking if Drake May is a little bit of a diva getting Joe Milton out of town. Fuck the Boston media.
What happened? You are the Boston media. What happened? Nothing.
They're looking for clicks. This is like a tale as old as time.
I think Joe Milton wanted an opportunity to compete for a starting job drick may doesn't make personnel decisions i miss this is actual story no drink or uh joe milton's not this is very funny because it's not like joe milton's been in the league for like five years like it's my time this isn't like a steve young joe montana situation i think he would he would like a place where he can compete to be a starter potentially at some point i don't know yeah i don't i feel like if he goes to okay in his wildest dreams if dak gets injured which probably that would never happen but if it did and he got in and he played awesome you could see a world where the cowboys would be like we're gonna go with with joe milton down the line right if drake may got banged up out for like four weeks no chance he loses his job you guys are delusional about joe milton i i am not i joe milton stinks i i love watching joe milton i'm delusional about joe milton yeah i'm i am knowingly delusional saying you you think he's good. I think he is fun.
He's so fun. But he's not good.
We never said he was good. We said he was fun.
But when he's good, he's very good. I don't think he's even fun.
I don't even think he's good enough to be fun. Oh, he is.
When he throws the ball and I go, dude, he threw an orange 106 yards. I saw it.
And then he threw an orange 106 yards on a five-yard out. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. That sounds fun.
That sounds fun. I wish he was on the Cowboys.
Me and PXC have had all-flying conversations about this. I bet on him the game that he went out of bounds at the end.
That was tough. I'll never think he's fun.
That was not fun. Just from that.
That was a not fun thing that he did, but when he just lets it rip. Yeah.
All right. Then my Cool Throne.
PFT alluded to this with our Shane Bacon interview. But the Cool Throne is the master's food because the worst person you know has come out and said that it stinks.
Revelle, this was like four or five days ago. He said, spoiler alert, talking about the master's food.
It tastes as good as the price. Not a single item outside Augusta National

will get any attention on its merits alone.

There, I said it.

Thank God he said it.

Thanks, Darren.

Oh, I needed that.

So this reasonably priced, dare I say,

even affordable sandwich that you can buy

at the best golf tournament in the world

that tastes very good

is not like Jose Andres chef quality.

Okay.

Yep. You know what? All the worst teams have the best food.
Yeah. The White Sox have incredible food.
Didn't Coastal Carolina said free concessions for the entire year? Yeah. That's awesome.
Yeah. Let people enjoy things.
Yeah. Just the worst.
He really is the worst. It's really hard to like make the masters not fun he found a way to do it you think ravelle has like a 40 year old barbecue sandwich from augusta like in in a glass case in his collectibles room probably definitely or maybe like probably a piece of the tree that almost killed someone would be more up his alley yeah yeah there's been a death in augusta he's definitely got the death certificate there has person died in augusta i think wait was it the dude that like one of the first guys that started it killed himself in one of the lakes there so he's got his noose yeah he's got the uh he's got the bullet yeah uh okay let's get to our interviews we've got Max Homa and then Shane Bacon talking more masters before we do that hey dude hey dude have you tried hey dude shoes yet they're unlike anything if you're on the hunt for your most comfortable pair of shoes you've arrived at your destination hey dudes are the ultimate slip-on shoes a lightweight breathable and ridiculously.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very very very very very very very very special guest our good good friend it is tradition it's master's week so we have max homo with us max thank you for coming on thank you for always uh showing up for the pod i guess my first question is how are are you feeling? I'm feeling good. About the Dodgers.
Sorry, you didn't let me finish. About the Dodgers.
Oh, we just lost a series, dude. Like, that's just unacceptable.
It's really unacceptable. They shouldn't ever lose a series.
So pretty devastated to have lost our second game of the season. Hopefully 160-2 is still alive.
Yeah. That'd be nice.
Shohei's pretty damn good. That's got to feel good.
Fuck dude. He's so good.
I was thinking about it. There's so rare that there's an athlete that has hype in certain games and actually like pulls it off.
Bryce Harper does it a lot. But Shohei like like last year he needed i think it was like two homers and a steel to get 50 50 or something he had the greatest baseball game of all time and then last week or early this week he had his own bobblehead night bottom of the ninth first pitch sent it walk off it's just like how the fuck do you do this yeah it's got a great sense of the moment yeah and congrats on your lakers by the way all good all things coming up max dude other than my own golf game this shit is fucking on fire lately uh everything everything maybe i needed to suck for my my my teams to thrive i know hanks enjoyed watching lebron uh it's been quite the ride this season i did not think they were going to be that good so this is uh kind of shocking yeah yeah all right so how how how's everything else going I know it hasn't been the best start to the year um I actually have some things to to pick you up if you want if you want me to if you want me to just hop right into it dude hop in okay all right so I was looking it up uh I have three different publications that uh called you a star or a superstar so the daily express said pga superstar splits up with caddy on eve of masters as statement issued um then the irish star said masters star issues emotional statement after splitting from caddy days before august we can just pretend the other stuff isn't happening with just the star is what we're focusing on.
And the mirror us said PGA tour star splits with long-term caddy just days before masters. So that's pretty cool.
And those are three massive publications. Yeah, they are.
I am subscribed to all three twice each. Yes.
Yeah. No, that feels good.
Okay. All those, those are great headlines.
Also, I did some deep dives into some stats. Do you know that this year at the Valero, your last round that you played at the Valero, which is the tournament right before the Masters, you actually drove the ball farther than your last round at the Valero last year when you went and finished third in the Masters, and higher driving accuracy this year than last year in your last round at the Valero.
And last year, your last round at the Valero, you shot a 70. This year, 71.
So kind of right there. I've honestly been looking for some momentum, and I can't lie.
That is absolutely what what i've been looking for the only hard difference is my last round at valero last year was on a sunday and this year was a friday last round you missed the part where it was last round this is what i've been missing yeah you're a superstar that's like actually you could say playing your best golf right now and you're probably exhausted last year because you had to play twice as much golf the weekend before. True.
Good point. Dude, all season.
I don't think people – people use this chestnut checkers things way too liberally. I am actually doing – I am the freshest person here.
I have not played a weekend in over like a month and a half. And I have been getting more rest, more time on my couch.
Like all these guys are going to be exhausted by the time the tournament comes. And I'm just cruising on it.
I love that. So this might be a dumb question.
But if we're trying to find silver lining here, are you at a point where you're able to just say fuck it this week? Like are we going to see fuck it, Max? My wife kind of pointed out. She goes, this kind of just feels like a golf tournament this year.
I was like, yeah, this year. There's not a whole lot of hype for myself.
So maybe it is just a fly under the radar. Yeah, I think it's a good spot.
Yeah. Also, here's a little tip for you.
If things don't go well this week, just get your kid and put them on your lap for your interview. Use them as a human shield.
That always works. Work nick sirianni i have i have learned that from sirianni uh the the press conference is genius i wrote it down i said if you ever struggling human shield the kid he'll he won't remember he's too young right so i think that's that's that's always a play yeah yeah hank you have a question he does later you're getting real hank was getting real close to the mic with an open mouth so that's my cue that maybe i have questions i can wait yeah he's gonna wait he has a couple questions all right so let's talk about it for real though because obviously it hasn't gone great uh you're split with joe sucks uh like i i mean i don't want to like have you talk like at length about it but like how does that how did that conversation go i had to have sucked you childhood friends.
You've been together forever, but was it something that like, you kind of felt like, all right, I got to change something. He probably feels it.
We both feel it. And it just like, this is just the part of the game.
Cause everyone kind of goes through this. Yeah.
First and foremost, I didn't do it. So that, that was hard.
I wasn't like massively shocked because it's obviously been really hard uh on him um but it's just it's it's tough i always promised that we were like friends first and if he didn't want to do it like he obviously like i'd rather be his friend um then then like stretch something out and like maybe we resent each other or whatever so uh looking back now it was tough the first few days to like process but looking back like I'm glad that you know he stepped up and did what he wanted to so that you know we won't we don't have any like ill will uh against each other so I think that was good but I mean it does suck like the dude is one of my favorite people on the planet we've made like some awesome memories um so you don't ever want to like sully that but it uh yeah it's just it's i guess it's just the ebbs and flows of like life in this game and it's stressful and i think a lot of it you know we get shown so much and And, you know making bogeys and birdies but like there's a we have a teammate that's going through it as well and they don't have near as much control over if I'm doing well he could have the best week of his like career as far as just like saying the right things and doing everything right but if I'm not executing it doesn't reflect well on him and I you know I there that's it's a tough job and um but it does it just sucks but um like I said it's I'm proud and happy that he spoke up when when he felt that because um you know you don't want to like I said drag someone and ruin a relationship for I mean it's been 28 years I've known him. So now we can just go back to being boys, playing golf at home.

And I still want to beat his ass when we play at home.

So nothing's really changed too much.

I just might see him a little bit less.

Was there a part of you in the first couple of days after where you wanted to send him a text being like,

why couldn't you just cheat it on me?

Why couldn't I call you with another guy's bag or something like that? Would have been easier that way yeah honestly yeah that would actually have been pretty awesome just he actually caddied the weekend at the players and i had to see it on tv i caught you bitch makes a little less messy now your new caddy um how's he with like people like i don't think i think theLs don't yell anything anymore, which I hope they've fallen in line, but have you given them any briefing with that? I have not. There was a great AWL contingent last week in San Antonio, and I heard some spicy meatballs, and I keep waiting for him to ask me, but I'm going to wait for him to ask before I bring it up.
This week won't be a good one for him to know because I don't think anyone's got the guts to yell here. But next week is the two-year anniversary of that lady calling me a pervert and Joe wanted to lose his mind.
That's when he started his hiatus against you guys uh so i think i think we might have some explaining next week but i'm waiting for him to ask okay yeah what's the process like for finding a new caddy how do you evaluate the guy and be like i think i think you could work with me yeah it's kind of messed up because i got like you know since it wasn't obviously like i said my idea i hadn't really like thought about it at all. I called, I thought about it for a while.
It's kind of a weird time of year. Cause like this doesn't it's not, you know, sometimes in the off season, there's like a, always seems to be like a mass exodus and there's some shifts going on.
But I called a bones. Who's like one of the greatest caddies, if not the greatest caddy of all time, a legend, one bunch of majors and all that.
And I called him for advice. I was like, what do you think I should do? Who should I hire? And he mentioned my caddies, Bill Harkey.
And he's like, I think you should call Bill. And I've actually had Bill filled in for Joe once when Joe had something going on a year or two ago.
And I don't it just had slipped my mind. So it was like perfect advice.
So, uh, gave Bill a call. Fortunately gave bill a call fortunately he was free and uh yeah last week obviously didn't go great with the the actual scores but i thought the vibe was really good we got along it's tough because he's a bay area guy so he likes the giants and the warriors so that's like a bit of a of a clash but it does give me a reason to like talk shit to.
And I think I am at my best when I'm talking shit. So I need my teams to keep being good and the Giants to keep sucking, although they're kind of good this year.
And I think that might be the catalyst. Did the thought cross your mind? Jersey Jerry's got some caddying experience.
No. Ever he dm'd me matt wait what'd he say remember uh i think i'd text you big cat he dm'd me he goes hey matt uh would love the caddy for you sometime and i texted you something about jerry text and messaged me and you're like oh i did tell him that uh you go by matt that i'm pretty out on.
Nice guy. Funny guy.
I don't think we would, we would work too well together. He seems, he seems like a liability.
Yes. Yes.
At least at Augusta, there's just no, no way they'd let him in here. No.
Yeah. Can you vape at Augusta? That's, that might be a breaking point for him.
I don't know. I think all the, any question you have, Jerry would find out within the first day on Monday.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You also, like, it would definitely, by day two, you would have to carry your own bag

because Jerry would be like, my legs hurt too much.

100%.

I'll still be here with you.

That's a fact.

Yeah.

All right.

So, obviously, the game, we're working on stuff.

You made a lot of changes because you have the caddy change you've changed you change your swing coach right i've changed damn near everything uh yeah it's been chaotic uh clubs coach trainer caddy clothes okay i kept my beard somebody told me to to shave go back to the mustache they thought that might fix it but i just thought that that was just too much that that that would be one one change too many yeah just a soul patch that would also bring back the pervert comment exactly i i just i feel like that's dying down and i just can't i can't make although although when that was going on i was playing playing pretty fucking well. Joe, don't do it.
Yeah. Listen.
I don't want to bring it back. But it just.
Yeah. I mean.
If you want to. It's like I sacrificed it and it went wrong.
Yeah. Listen, we can hit the nuclear code, but we're not going to.
But you just tell us. If you give us the word.
I think I need that pressure on me to play well without having to hit that button because i don't want that at all yes but like just maybe i need to know that if that if it comes to it like we might need to do it maybe that will motivate me better than just supporting my family and eating food yeah we're happy to threaten you with that as much as you need just just know that we might do it we might go like hank might go rogue and be like okay it's time to let's go back to the old us let's go i gotta i gotta tell y'all a story i don't think i've told you guys i think it was last year at bay hill is the tournament it's arnold palmer's tournament and every year we get there i'm always like reminded from his stories how good he was with the fans and sometimes you know i can get my head down i hope i haven't told you guys this already and uh so i was like you know what i'm gonna do better i'm gonna you know be more open you know when i'm playing and whatever and on wednesday i'm signing autographs walk into uh between holes and this this older guy comes up he goes hey do you mind signing something for my son and i you typically don't personalize stuff because one you can just write their name on it and they will never know it wasn't me um but he asked me to do it i was like you know what i'm gonna turn a new leaf so i said yeah what's your son's name and he says whatever and i write dear him and then his dad's like yeah can you just say you know happy birthday so and so uh from your favorite pervert and i'm like writing all this as i go and i get to that and i just stopped i'm like here you go, man. Like, you know, happy birthday, so-and-so from your favorite pervert.
And I'm like writing all this as I go. And I get to that and I just stopped.
I'm like, here you go, man. Like, did you hear what you just said? Like, you're an adult.
And I just like had to leave. I was like, that shows you why you don't turn new leads.
You just keep it the same. That's incredible.
The guy was 60. He has no idea what's going on.
He had to, like, you didn't even second guess his son. Oh, that's amazing.
So, so with all the changes, are you, do you feel, I I've read some of the stuff you talked in and the one thing that I always give you credit for, it's like, you were very open about what you're going through and trying to figure it all out. Do you feel like you're starting to turn a corner with all this change? Because it is a lot of change.
Yeah. The change actually hasn't, it's just been the swing changes and like, it's complicated, um, like to explain because I mean, people think I'm crazy.
I think my wife thinks I'm nuts, but it feels incredible. Um, like it, it, it's feel it's felt better and better every week.
There's little things in like tournaments that it's just, I don't new misses. Golf is the cliche.
It's a game of misses. You play off.
I typically always miss the ball right my whole career. Now, it's been less of that.
I have this subconscious fear of right. It's like trying But like I literally, I just played the front nine at Augusta about three hours ago.

I had the craziest day ever.

I shot like seven under nine holes.

I know it's,

I know it's in there,

but I've been doing that a decent amount just in practice.

Like last week,

my practice Monday to Wednesday was a joke.

And then I go out there and I'm four over through four in the tournament

when it matters.

So all this to be said, it does feel good, I mean obviously it's got to show up when it actually matters at some point but uh it's not for lack of effort and I don't mind you know talking about it and being vulnerable about it because I do know that um you know some people like to just play cool and you know just avoid it but I do think that you owe stuff to the fans at times. And I've been really lucky to have some pretty awesome support from everybody, especially, you know, through you guys and the AWL.
So I don't, I mean, it doesn't like hurt me to talk about what I'm going through. I know I'm trying my ass off to not suck.
And I do think that's important, but it does suck to suck so at some point hopefully this flips around hopefully this week um i didn't necessarily prove i could win as you always asked uh about this term but i can sure shit get third yeah and uh third sounds okay right about now yeah yeah i mean it sounds like we're close if you're shooting seven under on a practice round yeah Yeah. Just nine holes.
We're moving. We're very close, man.
Yeah. And also, I would imagine, like, I know obviously you have to do it on the weekend and you have to do it in the tournament, but I would imagine that it's a lot better of a problem when you know that you can do it in practice and then it's maybe not showing up versus, like, if you just sucked in practice, too.
Yeah. That would probably be like, holy shit, do I just suck at golf now? That was kind of the whole thing of last year, like pretty much after Augusta, right after May, like every week, my practice wasn't very good.
I wasn't playing well at home, and it felt like when I got to the start of the round on Thursday, like I was – if it didn't go well, like I kind of knew it wasn't going to, cause I just like, didn't really feel good about it. Um, I could piece some things together here and there, but it wasn't good.
And then kind of early this year through like the middle of January, it felt similar where it just was like, is just didn't feel great. And then it clicked around, it clicked at the waste management in Phoenix.
Again, I, I grasped this all sounds crazy cause I've missed all these cuts since but I started to feel good and when I was home it felt good and some practice rounds were really good and like definitely haven't felt like that it's more frustrating I guess in a way because when I do go to Thursday I'm like super jazzed to play and then I bogey the first few and I'm in the same exact spot. But I see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I just think the tunnel is like really, really long, like way too long. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, listen, I think you think that you're close.
I believe you. Hey, thank you.
I want this to be the weekend. That'd be great if this was like the start of the turnaround for Max.
That sounds so nice think about that you have to all right if you finish top 10 you have to come back on the show on monday dude 100 i'll take that as like a victory lap at this point yeah all right deal so uh one of the big changes at augusta this year is the app the masters app the best app in sports i assume that you download the app before you go there um we're gonna get to see every single shot from. Oh, for real? So, yeah.
So now we're going to be like, oh, he's hitting the ball well at the range. And then we're going to be able to figure out if we want to bet on that guy or not.
In your experience, have you always played the best after you have good range sessions? Or is it one of those things where you've had the worst range sessions and then gone out there and shot the best round of your life? I've rarely done the latter. I've had some like surprisingly good rounds after having terrible warm-up sessions, but like arranged sessions, but never like the best round.
I also have, you know, had the best range sessions of my life and then gone out and laid an egg. So I'm not a good one to like base off of i do know there's some guys i've seen justin thomas do it i remember he walked off a range in chicago like four or five years ago the bmw and he i went to go say hi to him he's white as a ghost and i was like man that must have been a bad warm-up and then he went out and shot something like 62 and i texted him like a couple days after I was like what the hell dude like you look like you were gonna cry he goes that was the worst warm-up I've ever had in my life and he ended up winning the golf tournament I'm not quite like I can't I haven't quite done that one yet so um definitely like I need in a way some kind of good juju as the uh warm-up goes but I've seen some guys hit some awful golf shots and you go out and you think to yourself oh he's he doesn't have and you look at the leaderboard and he'll be right near the top so i think it's uh it's to each their own on that one what do you think about when you're practicing on the range when you're getting ready for a round because when i go out there i'm like i'll hit uh like four shots with every club and then hope that maybe like two out of the four look like golf shots they go up yeah they're relatively straight then they go like kind of far that's what i'm hoping for what are you doing on the forward yeah forward's good uh i'm i'm similar man uh i'll take i'll take maybe three out of four each club would be good i should maybe that's what i should do pft is hit each every one of my golf clubs on the range.
Yeah. And just start eliminating the ones that aren't working.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm more like, I run through a little bit of technique stuff, but then I try to just, like, I work my way up towards driver. But I try to hit, you know, left to right, straight, right to left.
And part of it is to, like, get them clean and better. But also part of it is like if one of those shots feels like shit uh try to like avoid it when i'm out on the course and then you know fix it fix it in post for your guys world um but yeah so it's just like kind of somebody once said it you're just kind of getting the the engine running like don't look too much into it uh try to take some away from it but like like you said there's days where like my driver feels bad on the range and i'll go out on the course and strike the first few and and it it doesn't matter so i think not attaching yourself too much to the range session is probably the key although i'm not the greatest at that yeah um all right so the other change you made which i actually am a very big proponent of i wish i could i actually texted you.
I was like, I'm jealous. You're off Twitter.
Kudos to you. I wish that we could do the same.
It is our job. You are so stuck.
It's a little different than, like, actually, it would be the same thing if I was like, I quit golfing. And then you texted me like, dude, I'm so jealous.
I wish I could. So, yeah, we can't quit Twitter.
So you're off Twitter, and some things have happened in the last month. So I compiled just a list of things that you missed if you wanted to just be aware of them so that way you have a little bit of a base knowledge because you're not on Twitter.
I didn't even know about this app, so hit me. Yeah, okay, all right.
So there's this dude, Ashton Hall, who does these videos where he – Oh, he's on tiktok okay all right so you're on tiktok so you got him yeah i saw that guy weird thing um also a tiktok guy have you seen the doordash guy that uh he kicks the doordash order and then he gives the doordash person the delivery person a bunch of cash and then he whispers to him i yeah he whispers to him i have four dead bodies in my basement and then the person just like person's like all right cool dude like you gave me the cash i'm not gonna tell anyone um they're pretty cool i'll send you one of those uh that one's wild yeah wild wild um let's see uh i saw a guy get trampled to death by an elephant that was fucking crazy yeah the murder stuff on x the everything app has gotten a little that was definitely a part of the uh the departure yeah yeah that's part of the everything yeah that's part that is the everything i guess they're not lying it's everything yeah uh rizzler threw out the first pitch of the mets game and pretty good pitch i actually didn't see that the thing is that he's the kid right yeah the josh yeah yeah um yeah minecraft is like a big thing everyone's just talking about it there's like brain i still don't get that i don't really know what that is yeah i'm okay with that too yeah uh torpedo bats uh yeah i've noticed that one nine home runs first game yep you got that one did you imagine otani with a torpedo bat? Would be sick. I got my account suspended because I pretended to be hacked.
So that happened. Oh, I heard.
I mean, I do get that on the pod. Yeah.
That was, I think PFT, you said it was the boy who cried wolf. Yeah, he pretended to get hacked so much that when he actually got hacked, nobody believed it.
And his account actually got shut down. It was poetic.
Yeah. And then Rico Bosco drove a Greyhound bus.
Well, he rode a Greyhound bus from New York to San Antonio. You probably missed that because you weren't on Twitter.
For real? Yeah. Yeah.
He lost a bet. Oh, shit.
Max had to be stoked. Yeah.
Oh, he was very excited. So pretty much this exercise was you've made the right decision.
You have missed absolutely nothing. Outside of maybe

Rizzler or the Mets game,

that one you should have seen. Max, for the last

three months, we've all been pretending that the

SEC sucks at basketball because they have a

500 record. So you missed out on that one.

You did miss out on that one. I can't live

in a world where they're good at football and

basketball. It's painful.
It's bullshit.

Yeah. So you missed nothing.
So good job getting off twitter i i'm very jealous that felt nice yeah yeah yeah like when you it's one of those things where if you leave the internet for an hour you feel like you missed everything and then if you leave the internet for a week you're like oh i didn't miss shit like nothing really you know how nice it is to have someone come up to me or, or text me a video and be like, look at this video and me not have to lie and be like, oh, wow. So funny.
I didn't totally didn't see that three days ago before I even opened it. Like it's got embarrassing at some point.
My wife and I talk about the videos now. She'll be like, you'll never believe this.
And I'm like, no, you're right. I would not have ever known that instead of lying and being like oh no i didn't say i saw that while driving yeah yeah right so you also get to hear people explain to you internet stories and they they have to explain to you why they're important yeah and it always takes like 30 seconds whoever the new risler becomes at some point i want to meet somebody who has to explain that okay yes yes That's, yeah, because the rizzler to to common folk is very it's very difficult to do it's a you you can't it's a it's a no win and then if you start to talk about how his dad's not the costco guy yeah that's you always have to have that conversation too it's like oh now i get it that's his son actually no he has a son no and he's that

guy uh hank do you have any questions for our dear friend matt uh yeah matt hey what's up big fan

love what you're doing over on tiktok uh i said you know my personal golf game something i've

been working on this upcoming season is is maybe taking more club and having a little more control than trying to hit the perfect number. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that going into the year.
Good question. That is a great question.
That was way more serious than I thought. That's awesome.
That is awesome. There's a saying when it's breezy, swing so just imply uh employ that no matter if it's not windy at all does any of this have to do with the fact that pft bombs it by you and then you felt for a while like you needed to have an ego yeah only on the driver but yeah yeah definitely i mean it's more i'm just trying to i'm trying to eliminate the big mistakes and just try trying to hit consistent shots what do you mean only on the driver or like that's the only club that i hit farther than you well consistent i mean you can't really that's fair i quit i quit playing golf i'm only focusing on driving wait it sounds like he hits all of the clubs two out of four times very well that's a good point he also yeah his distance he hits it far but it's usually like 20 feet over the green but that's that's yeah and I always feel awesome i'm like damn i even i clubbed down on that one and went too far that's that's actually the best way to play golf i've always said max that uh it's way better to suck at golf than it is to be really good at golf because if you if you're really good at golf you hit one bad shot and you're like fuck and you get super pissed off i suck at golf if i hit one shot

that looks like a golf shot per hole i'm like this is awesome playing golf is so much joy yeah yeah

yeah i've been trying to do that like like when i hit a really good shot i'll just sit there and be and look around at my team and be like let's just soak that one in huh yeah that's pretty awesome it's such a it's such a pure piece of joy i love it yeah yeah i do miss that hank i think you're on the right track though i i respect that uh you've come to that that that is how uh i would say the that's the road to good is to eliminate the the big mistakes by not over swinging i love that i like also implying that you're not good right now yeah i'm not you're on the road to good uh another question we you know you and i back in the day used to run around verdance uh collecting win after win in call of duty we're back i saw the map came back i was i was curious if you're going to get back into the game i'm 100 getting back i have one more tournament after next week and i will be back my two of my buddies are coming this week and they're like my crew i play with josh and steven and zach and josh he's never come here before and he texts me, dude, is it cool if I bring the Xbox and we game in the living room?

And I'm like, no, dude, that's like straight up not cool.

I have my whole family here.

I have my wife's friends here.

I also have to sleep.

So we're not going to rip.

Also, like outside of like him taking over your rental house in Augusta to play Call of Duty,

I would be like, it's not cool because I would just be pissed I'm not playing with you guys.

Like, walking by your friends.

I'll be at practice and they wouldn't even come to the range with me.

They'll just fucking be gaming.

I love that.

That's so funny.

That guy, that, wait, that was Josh who said that?

Yeah.

Josh rocks.

Dudes rock.

Josh, you're welcome to play with Hank anytime because that guy,

he's got his priorities set.

No, his priorities are always in check.

He is definitely – usually my buddy Steven, he comes every year,

is my wife's punching bag, and I guarantee you Josh takes over that this year.

That's so funny.

Max, one thing that Hank is good at in golf golf is putting he's become a good putter and oh yeah i don't know if we've asked you this question before but i'm always curious to know like at augusta if you dropped um someone who's on the road to good like hank but maybe a decent putter if if he got to start every hole at augusta from the furthest point away from the hole on the green so he just has to putt what do you think a guy like hank would shoot shit like how hard are these greens they're they're if you got to actually place it on like what's the worst spot you could go to yeah yeah the farthest spot every time farthest or worse depending on the yeah yeah yeah i mean shit that i mean you wouldn't shoot like in the 80s but how many times you think you're going off the green like like more than half early i think you would catch on but early you're probably sitting at like a 60 40 no that's too high like a 40 60 rate i just think you would three putt like a lot and you might sprinkle in a four putt i do think you would two putt as the day went on because not every green's crazy but you would just i mean that's a thing i would never suggest doing that that would that would humble you that would kill that that would suck yeah because you would start on the green and still be making threes and fours a lot so that would be be tough. Yeah.
That would be a good video. Yeah.
Hey, Augusta, you let Dude Perfect go down there with your tennis rackets. Yeah, what the hell? Laser tag and shit on the fairways down there.
Just let Hank putt. Yeah, let Hank putt.
I like that. All right, Max, I got one last question.
It's been fun catching up with you. We're ready to go.
Oh, you have have one favorite hole. All right.
Favorite hole. Buck, we did this last time.
Yeah. But do you have a new favorite? Uh, I can't get stuck in the same position as I was last time.
So I'm just going to say the 13th hole at Augusta, the golf hole. Okay.
No, the actual correct answer is mouth. Mine's the vagina.
Yeah, I know. I wrote it down after the past years, but just didn't have the guts.
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Real question. So you're competing this week in the Masters.
PFD and I are actually competing in a similar tournament. We're in the Barstool Mini Golf Tournament that is taking place.
Oh, you did that last year, right? Yeah. So PFD and I are on the same team.
We're doing teams. We're doing Ryder Cup style.
I am quintessential like start hot and then just slowly like fade away and just become a head case. Are there any tips for putting and just not being an asshole at the end of the rounds like I usually am? I don't know if I'm the right guy to ask.
No, you are. It's mini golf.
Dude, the best advice for the mini golf thing is just like be sorry guys my phone was dying i'm just on the move um be uh what the hold on guys we're about to have a uh a problem we'll keep this in phone's about to die here let's try this one by the toaster oh no it'd be funny if josh was already there and he already like fucked up a breaker yeah he probably short circuit of his joints creativity dude just be creative be a kid again you know mini golf is for kids i'm gonna be i'm gonna become a kid again i'm gonna become a kid again do you have any uh do you have any like funny one-liners that you can say when you're putting because i i feel like i've heard them all there's always an old guy on the course that's like the putts like my my junior prom all lips no hole you know that sort of thing really get the boys laughing out there that that's that's a pretty much a banger uh there's some like if you hit one uh didn't feel great you say uh uh that's or and it goes in a spot you say something like that's a condom it didn't feel great but it's safe that's a that one usually gets a couple chuckles yeah um the junior prom one's like all time though i don't know really how you beat that one pfc you're the jokes guy i feel like you can make you should start your own first one i could yeah tell you what i'll write a couple bangers for it i think it was actually when we were walking with you at the bmw here in chicago there was one of the guys that was in your pro and he said that joke i think four times yeah in six holes like he kept saying but there were different people around him so he got to do the material again yeah he got to to he got to he got to live like he got to live the the the most genuine laugh yeah people yeah that's the tough part about these programs is they i mean golf doesn't have like loads jokes or lots of funny people and we abuse the same joke over and over over again so you should be our hero and please give us a new joke okay left at a Left to the foot short, story of my life. Oh.
That's a good one, because it's short. Nice.
That'll get some, like, you don't want to. If only I had a couple more inches.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
You don't want to have any really funny jokes. They all have to be, like, just kind of neutrally funny.
You'll be like, ha ha. Yeah.
Just, like, a quick laugh, and we move on. Yeah.
Okay. They're all like the, did you get that? Right.
Yeah. Like, you have to look around, you guys get it.
And then everyone's like, yes. I'll get in the laugh.
But then they take it and do the same thing. So it's all good.
All right, Max, you're the best man. Thank you.
And let's go fucking shoot some low scores at Augusta. Let's shock the fucking world.
Yeah. Let's do it.
Let's do it. You can do it.
Yeah. Just maybe put like a picture of Shohei in your wallet and just look at him for inspiration.
Be like, if he can be so awesome, so can I. What'd the golf equivalent of Shohei be? Like a guy that can pitch and hit.
Caddy and golf? Caddy and golf at the same time. It's a low bar.
That's exactly right. We actually discussed that.
It would be like Scotty Scheffler playing golf both right and left-handed and kicking our ass both ways yeah i think it'd just be you guys just not being pussies and carrying your own bag it's that low oh that's actually way simpler and also feels way shittier but you're not being a bitch yeah yeah just carry your bag or or getting a uh a federal investigation we even't had one of those i don't think out here so yeah yeah we need to branch out yeah um all right thank you max you're the best man and uh yeah let's we're rooting for you so let's go do it appreciate you guys hey i love you guys love you too max you're gonna be great see ya max homo was brought to you by our great friends over at Brex. Today, every company wants to do more with less, but you can't grow a business by slashing costs.
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And now here's Shane Bacon. Okay.
We now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. It is one of the, it actually is the best week of golf of the year.
It is master's week. We have Shane Bacon here.
Shane will be on one of the feeds for masters.com all week. So make sure you check that out.
Uh, Shane master's week. There's nothing better.
How are the vibes? Are you in Augusta already? Yeah. In Augusta vibes are high, weather yesterday yesterday, not ideal.
Obviously, it rained just like all afternoon, all evening, kind of rained into the night. But I think the weather the rest of the week is going to be pretty epic.
So vibes are high. Rory's all fired up.
A lot of players very, very excited about what the golf course looks like and how it's going to play. Obviously, had some damage from some of the weather, you know, like late last year.
But I think the golf course is actually going to play a little bit better because of it. Okay.
I like to hear that because we were saying there's nothing that bums you out more than looking at the forecast of Masters Week and seeing a day where they're not going to play or the rain is going to affect it. So that's great.
Now, I don't know what direction we want to go in. I guess actually the most interesting storyline to me is this does feel,

and you can judge this statement, this feels like this is going to be

one of the best chances that Rory McIlroy has to win the Masters

because he is playing really good golf.

Where is it mentally, though?

Because that's kind of it for Rory the last few years where it's not that

he's been playing bad.

It's that these tragic things keep happening at the end of uh championships or big tournaments is it is it there in between the ears for Rory this week you know it feels like it is uh you know Rory when he was winning major championships he was kind of the the badass if you will to walk around the golf course and uh I think Rory is such a normal person that as he's gotten a little bit older, he's lost a little bit of that. And it seems like it's back this year.
I mean, just the way, even at the players, you know, he kind of loses the lead late, steps up in that playoff and hits like a 335-yard drive right down the middle. And it's like, yo, bro, come and catch me now.
So I like the way he's gone about his business this year. I like the way he's talking.
He gets very excited about this tournament. I think a few years ago, you know, he holds that bunker shot and said, it's the first positive vibes I've had here in about a decade.
And obviously the game is there. I mean, I think that's more important even than the mental side of it is, are you playing well? He's never won this many times on the PGA Tour headed into the Masters.
And I mean, I think he's the favorite. You know, you can say Scott,'s the favorite.
Obviously, Scottie's done some epic stuff over the last couple years.

But just in terms of playing good golf,

Rory's playing as good a golf in the early part of the season

as he's ever played.

Yeah, and stealing people's phones.

That's the edge.

That's the asshole Rory that maybe needs to come back.

Tough to do it here, though.

You know, tough spot to steal phones.

That might throw him off.

But it is maybe the most epic scenery ever to speed away

after a disappointing loss, right?

Like just peeling out down Magnolia Lane.

Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming you still have to abide by whatever the speed limit is down that road but uh not in georgia that's not kirby smart would disagree yeah that's true so uh i had a question for you because i saw a journalist that's down there um that had a an interesting take on the scenery and the vibe at Augusta. I wanted to get your thoughts on it.
This individual said not a single food item at Augusta National would get attention were it not for the cheap price. What would you score that take? It's a really bad take.
Was that Ravel that said that? Yeah. I don't know.
That's a bad one it's a it's a pretty brutal one

i mean you know like i sit in this booth here for six or seven hours a day starting on thursday

i will have three pimento cheese sandwiches a day likely um that's where i lean i know you've had a

you've had one before uh pft but you know i i think the food is great and i think the ice cream

sandwich is like one of the best ice cream sandwiches in the world and obviously the prices

help but you'd eat this stuff away from the golf course. You'd eat this stuff away from the Masters.
Yeah. It's tough to make a bad pimento cheese sandwich, too.
So as long as it's fresh, then I think we're a business. Yeah, it's like a cheese quesadilla.
If you mess that up, maybe don't cook. Yeah, right.
It's on you. Exactly.
Go ahead. I was just going to ask an actual question about a golfer.
John Rahm is a guy that I'm keeping my eyes on. Yeah.
So according to, I think, the World Golf Rankings, he's not playing good golf right now. But when you look at how he's actually been playing, when you watch him play, it seems like he's very capable of winning.
Do you think that Jon Rahm has a chance to come back and win again? Absolutely. I mean, I think he's probably my top three favorites headed into this week.
Interesting fact about Jon Rahm. He's played 18 live events in his career, never finished outside the top 10.
Now, you know, it's not as deep fields as you obviously can see on the PGA Tour at major championships, but top 10s are top 10s and you're beating a lot of people in that regard. He's played solid this season as well.
I think last year in terms of the way Jon Rahm had to go about his business, joining live, comes to all the majors, he even talked about it today in his press conference, it was awkward. I mean, and it was awkward for him to be answering those kind of pre-tournament questions always about why'd you leave and things like that.
This year, it seems a little calmer for everybody involved. Obviously, a lot of stuff on the background happening, but in terms of the players, I don't think anybody really cares anymore where you play.
You play Liv, you play PGA Tour, whatever the case may be. Come here and show up and do what you're able to do.
And I mean, Jon Rahm is the type of golfer. Players that play well at Augusta play well at Augusta.
I know that seems like a simple statement, but the Jordan Spieths and the Scotty Schefflers and the Jack Nicklases and the Tiger Woods and the Phil Mickelsons, these people show up whether they're in form or not, and they typically have good weeks. Jon Rahm is one of those players that shows up at Augusta and is going to play well simply because his game fits this golf course as well as anybody in the field.
Yeah. The other storyline I thought of was, you know, Tiger Woods, such a force of nature in golf for the last 20 years.
Even when he's not playing and he's missed some masters, he's still, you know, talked about. But this does feel like the first year where it's – I don't want to say it's over because I hope he plays again, but it does feel kind of over where it's like, you know, the Achilles injury and he was already banged up and the leg problems.
Can you feel that vibe where it's like that force of nature is no longer here and it really is now the young guys and it's Scottie and it's Rory and it's Jon Rahm and all these guys? Yeah, I mean, this is the opposite of the Ravel take, by the way, Big Cat. This is a very good take on your behalf, and I'm proud of you for it.
Big J journalism stuff. Like, he sucks up a lot of oxygen at golf tournaments, major championships, whatever the case may be.
We don't see him play a lot of golf, so when he shows up at the Masters, it's a big deal. People want to watch Tiger play golf.
I have some friends that are coming for the first time this year, and the moment he announced the injury, it's like, oh man, I was so excited

to watch Tiger. That being said, I think the focus right now is so much on Rory, Scotty,

everybody else, so many young players, as you said, Big Cat. Can Ludwig play like he did last

year? I think people are kind of anticipating what to see for Max Homa this year at Augusta.

Obviously, he's not playing his best golf, but he played so well here a year ago. Those players are popular.
Victor Hovland's popular. Xander Shoffley's popular.
Jon Rahm's popular. I think right now, the focus moves away from, what are we going to see from this guy we hadn't seen play golf in eight months, to let's watch the best players really when the gun goes off, how they're going to be able to go about their business.
Yeah, Ludwig Eberg. He played really, really well last year.
He had a great chance on Sunday until the back nine. Hank says that no, he cannot play well at Augusta.
Hold on, we've got to put on Hank's mic. Hank disagrees.
Nope. You shook your head no.
Fact or fiction. Hank, not going to win? I'm just curious.
No, I would like him to win. I'm just curious why his odds have been dropping so much this week.
He's just been playing bad golf. He's just been missing cuts, and he hasn't been very consistent.
He's one of those guys, when it's dialed, he's extremely consistent, and he's been extremely inconsistent this season. I think when that's the case, it's hard to dive into a guy considering the way some of the other players are playing.
We mentioned Rahm. Obviously, Scottie has improved a bit, and he's coming off his best putting performance in like 18 months in Houston.
I mean, that's a big deal for Scottie Scheffler, considering the ball striking. You know, there's Rory, and everybody's talking about Rory.
Even Xander playing pretty well at the Valspar after the injury. I think there's so many players that are quote-unquote in form that it's hard to lean on a guy, even if he played well here a year ago.
To Hank's point, when he's not playing those odds are going to kind of continue to decrease how much of uh how much stock do you put in like how the guys are playing going into the masters or is it a tournament where everyone knows the course everyone's played the course that yeah you could be playing poorly and then you show up and it's like hey we're we all know this course and we all are ready to go. How much is it current form?

I think it's a big deal in terms of just the – you talked about the mental side of stuff for Rory.

I think it's a huge deal for these players because this is the date they circle,

just like we circle it, right?

We're so excited for April.

March Madness ends and we roll right into the Masters.

These players think about this thing for six months.

So I think when you're not playing well and you get to Augusta

and you're searching on the driving range

and you're going through practice rounds hoping to find something,

I think when you're not playing well and you get to Augusta and you're searching on the driving range and you're going through practice rounds hoping to find something. I think that's hard to kind of get into a mental state where when Thursday starts, you know, people don't talk about how tough the first hole is at Augusta, right? I mean, you step on the first tee at St.
Andrews or Pebble Beach, you know, it's relatively friendly handshake. Augusta's first hole is one of the hardest first holes in all of golf.
I'd say the only one that really rivals it is where they're playing the U.S. Open this year at Oakmont.
That first hole will kick you right in the teeth, just like number one here at Augusta will. So when you're not in form and all of a sudden you're one over through three and you've got to play the toughest stretch of the golf course, four through six, all of a sudden you're four over.
It's a hard place to make up ground. So I think current form is as important as how you've played in this event over the years.
So where are we at with Bryson and all this? Because I know that he's still, he's switching his ball, right? Like going into Augusta, he's not sure what ball he's going to be playing. That doesn't seem like a great time to, when you're like Bryson, you micromanage every single part of your game, not knowing what ball you're going to be hitting.
It feels like it's a big red flag for me, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think about that?

Yeah, I don't love Bryson this week just simply because of form.

I mean, to Big Cat's point about Ludwig, I think the same thing really about the way Bryson plays.

Now, that being said, PFT, he's the same guy that changed his driver before the final round of the U.S. Open last year and then still went on to win.

So obviously he isn't scared to change stuff up in the golf bag,

but I don't love Bryson at Augusta in general. I just don't think it's a great golf course for him.
Um, and I don't like him this week simply because of that. It's, there's too many touch shots around the green.
There's too many of these little feely shots. Bryson's a power guy.
He can overpower Augusta. I mean, you know, they famously said it's a par 67, but I think in terms of how you've got to go about your business on this golf course and what's succeeded over the years here guys like scotty guys like john rom great hands around the greens able to pitch the golf ball when they get in trouble i don't think that's bryson's strength and i think that's one of the reasons that he can struggle and you know another thing about somebody like bryson he's so technical you can't use any of that technical stuff not even in practice rounds at augusta and i think I think that takes an arrow out of his quiver, if you will.
So the touch shots, who, outside of the usual suspects, is elite at those touch shots that gives them a better chance at Augusta? Maybe they don't drive it as long as everyone else, but who is the touch shot god or the guys right now that are playing the best around the greens like that? The mean the best right now modern player this is not going to shock you is Scotty I mean the pitching and shipping is insane Russell Henley's been great in that department I think he's going to be my pick this year for the Masters I think Russell Henley's kind of not just a sleeper but he's having a great year and I think he's one of those guys that can really lean on that part of his game great ball striker which is important but important. But I like Sepp Strzok a lot as well this week in terms of just players that are maybe away from those top five names that I think are playing in a level of form where they could show up here and do something special.
And they've also kind of played well at Augusta before. I'm not going to take a guy that's finished 50th every time he's been here.
But if you finished in the top 10 and you've had a couple of good finishes, I like your chances. And I think think those are a couple guys off the you know you look at the last few winners it's like Scotty, Rom, Scotty, Hideki, DJ, Tiger like these are big names occasionally you get a Patrick Reed or a Danny Willett or a player like that that wins at the Masters and I would not be surprised if this is the year that happens uh all right I have an advanced analytics uh department in my brain that picks picks my Masters winner, and the advanced analytics are just pick your friend.
So I'm betting on Brooks again. Can he win it? He can win it, and I figured you'd ask about Brooks, Big Cat, so I have something for you.
He's only had one season where he didn't finish in the top ten in all four majors. That was in 2022.
The next year, almost wins the Masters, wins the PGA. So I'm going to lean, since you're throwing a stat at me, I'll throw one right back at you.
Played pretty poorly in the majors a season ago, but Brooks is one of those dudes that shows up and thinks he's the best player on the golf course. So I think Brooks played well here before, obviously is a guy that believes in what he's doing now.
He was just hitting balls on the range a little bit ago, and he was kind of hitting these toe hooks that I do not like, but that's why the range is there. Okay, yeah, so he can practice.
That's one thing that I don't like about being able to see every range shot now on the app is that guys go out there and they fuck around. They work on new stuff, and then you look at that, and you're like, oh, my God, he's shanking everything.
I've got to bet against this guy. It's like too much information.
Yeah, it might be overload.

It's a little bit like with the odd stuff now, right,

where you could basically figure out anything that makes your bet seem like

the smartest bet in the world.

You know, I mean, there's like a million different things that tell you

that Florida's going to win or Houston's going to win.

Yeah, exactly.

So speaking of the course, though, what have we done in the past year

that has changed at Augusta?

What should we be on the lookout?

The trees.

Nothing, which is a bit of a surprise.

I mean,

Thank you. what have we done in the past year that has changed at Augusta? What should we be on the lookout? The trees.
Nothing, which is a bit of a surprise. I mean, they typically tinker a little bit with yardages or new tee boxes and stuff like that, and it's pretty much what it was.
I mean, outside of the damage from the hurricane, it's going to be in play how it's played in the past. Now, we had all that rain, so it'll be interesting to see if it plays a little softer on Thursday into Friday, but I imagine if we don't get the rain that they're talking about Friday afternoon, I think it'll be spicy, spicy on the weekend.
What about the trees? Yeah, what about the trees? Somebody here said that the trees are different. There's going to be some different trees.
I mean, obviously, like I said, the hurricane was bad in this area. I mean, some trees came down, but not really any to affect the golf course.
John John Rahm was at a press conference and he said the one thing he was told, he hadn't

played the second nine yet in a practice round, but he said the one thing he was told is,

you know, 10 is that massive dogleg left, right?

And like basically all the players these days hit three wood because they can't turn a driver

over.

And he said he's heard that you can now squeeze it through a little window on the left side

and cut it into the fairway.

And then the moment he said it, he goes, well, they'll probably put a new tree up by the first round because I said something. but really

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Don't make me learn new stuff every year there. I like to know the ins and the outs of the course.
I just saw this morning they published the mowing reports. Are you a mowing report guy? I got that as well.
I actually wrote the numbers down for you because I figured you'd like that PFT. But I mean, when the mowing report hits, you know it's Masters week.
I'm ready for it. I'm ready to roll.
What length of the rough? What about the tees? All that stuff is incredibly important to all of us nerds. Yeah.
Any surprises in the mowing report? No, no. The report was pretty solid.
It's like they almost know what they're doing. It's almost like they've mowed this place before.
Gotcha. All right.
Let's talk some long shots, some guys that no one's talking about because obviously you said it. The big names have won this tournament, but if there were to be a name that is not someone that everyone's like, hey, look at this guy.
He's playing great. Who do you have your eye on? All right.
So he's a long shot in terms of number, not a long shot in terms of history. I think Phil's got a chance.
I think Phil has a legit chance this week. He's been playing some solid golf and kind of going back to like what plays well here is a great iron player and somebody that's excellent around the greens.
I think Phil, he in contention it feels like every two years so I think Phil in terms of extreme long shots I'm a big fan of his number this week that would be so much fun if Phil was in the mix that would be awesome yeah I need you know what I'll tell you this big cat I like a lot of the live guys like I like Brooks I like Sergio I like Phil this is Hank this music toank this music to hanks here he's a live head big time yeah i mean they're all playing well i mean if you watched a row on sunday i mean all the guys hanging around the top of that leaderboard were basically flying up that night to augusta you know it wasn't like the guys that aren't in the field so i i would be non-shocked if a live if there were two or three live players like tied atop the leaderboard the second nine. Because, Hank, last year, what did you do? You did all live players to finish top 20, and none of them did? No, no, no.
I did a round-robin, 10 live players to finish top 20. I needed four or five to make money.
I think only three or four did. So I lost a little bit of money.
I didn't make a lot of money. But my thinking is a lot of the live guys have won and the pressure on Sunday for a guy that's won, they've experienced before, they know what to do, they don't feel it as much as a guy that maybe hasn't won before and all of a sudden they're playing Sunday at Augusta, shitting their pants a little bit.
Yeah, I mean, Hank is such a diehard Liv fan. He knows the four aces off the top of his head, don't you? Yeah.
Hank, what are they? It's Johnson, Patrick Reed. Oh, no.
We're stuck at two aces? You only have two. At least half of them.
You have half of the aces? Yep. Come on, Hank.
Even I know one of them. Hey, Shane, where are we with the Live PGA merger that was announced like a year ago that no one talks about anymore? HV3, come on.
Who knows, dude? I mean, honestly, nobody knows. It's funny now, too, because the players get asked about it, and they're even like, nobody knows.
Who knows? Nobody's telling us anything. We're just trying to play golf.
And I think Jon Rahm answered a question in his press conference. They asked some questions at the end of the presser in Spanish, and he said, I just want to play with guys more often you know it's basically his answer but nobody knows i mean i feel like every week you hear rumors but nothing changes nothing happens what happened to the framework i was told that we had a framework in place frame broke man i think the frame is like disintegrated it fell on the ground like i don't know what happened to the damn thing but uh you know i mean like i don't think live wants to go away you know and I think that's one of the important pieces of this.
It's like Liv still wants to exist in terms of golf tournaments and team golf and things like that. And I don't think the PGA Tour is a big fan of that idea if they're going to merge.
So I think, you know, for Liv, we don't want to lose everything we're doing. We understand the importance of merging, but that seems to be where everybody's stuck right now.
Yeah. What about the journalist lottery? When do we find out who gets to play Augusta? Oh, I think that drops Saturday.
I think they normally announce that on Saturday, maybe around lunchtime. Have you played? No, never gotten picked.
Oh, man. How many journalists enter their names into the lottery every year? So everybody that hadn't played it, I think it's over the last seven years, gets to put their name in.
So I would just say the number's probably around maybe 150 in the lottery. Now, I don't know how many get picked, but I'd say of the, let's say 300 people here working, I bet 150 put their names in.
So if there's four groups or whatever, then you've probably got an 8% chance or 6% chance or something. Okay.
Yeah. Although it was very funny when they took somebody that had never played golf before last year.
I like, I kind of liked that. Yeah.
That should be. We always ask about that around the U S opens.
Like, I mean, remember when, when Dave used to do that, when he would play the Mulligan U S open game and it's like, what are you going to shoot? If you have unlimited Mulligans,igans it's like what is a person that's never played golf going to shoot around this golf course right i mean i think that's uh that's at least something we can compare the best players in the world too yeah so we actually have so we had we have uh we interviewed max as well he's gonna be on this episode and he we asked him this so we'll ask you you this if hank started at the worst spot on every green and had to only putt what would his what would he would he be in contention at the end of uh sunday is he putting so he's putting one on every green like he's starting on the green but in the worst place it could possibly be whether that's the farthest distance away or the place where it's the toughest with the brakes i mean if he does he have a caddy no no caddy oh, I think he could shoot even par or better. I think he could four putt every green.
Okay. All right.
Are there some that it would be like a disaster? Is there a specific green on the course where it's like everyone knows there's one little spot, and if you don't hit it, you're just fucked? Yeah, he would probably putt off the green on nine. He'd probably putt off the green the green on 13 he'd probably put off the green on 15 um so the key for him would be just to not put it in the water but i think like i said i think he's gonna two put a couple right just by you know virtue of luck or making an eight footer i mean i know you dog hank's game a lot but i mean i've seen hank make eight footers on youtube before right so i mean he's capable if nothing else well you also seen him miss eight-footers.
I've seen him miss a lot of those. Just in general, he's going to eventually two-putt a green here or there, which picks you up a couple shots.
I think he's in contention. I think he shoots around even par every round from the green.
We've got to make that happen at right. So if I said to you, or if I said to all the golfers, you get to pick one club that is perfect for the Masters.
Your shots on it, that specific club is just perfect all week. What club are they picking? This year, it's probably the Mini Driver.
That's going to be in a lot of bags. So, you know, basically the popularity of the mini drivers popped over the last couple of years.
And the idea is you can turn it over a little bit. And obviously, right handers at Augusta have got to hit that draw.
I think you're going to see a ton of the mini drivers in the bags this week from a lot of players. A lot of the tailor-made dudes, I think, are throwing them in there.
And so I think that's going to be a really popular one. It also keeps you short of some of the runouts at 330, 340 with the long hitters can hit it there.
So the mini driver be big and then like lob wedges. I mean, I think, you know, lob wedges are huge here because you want to get the ball up in the air around the greens because there's so much runoff.
And I think the idea of throwing it up high with a lot of spin is what most of these modern these modern players do. Interesting.
What do you think the winning

score is this week?

I was looking. It's 11-12-10-10

the last four years. I think I'll go

with the rain

it'll be a little better than that.

I'll probably go 13, I think is the number

I'm looking at.

I love that.

It's relatively consistent. By the way, Big Cat, I had something for you.

Your big Florida

win last night.

Congrats, by the way. I i had something for you oh um your big florida win last night yeah uh congrats by the way i mean i mean i know you needed the money uh so you would have finished i need to finish a t20 last year at the masters to make that much money so you're kind of like a top 20 golfer in the world financially now yeah unfortunately for that calculus uh if we're if we're putting in the whole march madness experience, I missed the cut.
But, yes, if we're putting in the whole March Madness experience,

I missed the cut.

But yes, if we're just based off the championship.

And you had to pay for the houses and all that stuff.

Yeah, exactly.

If we're only based off the championship game, then yeah, T20 feels good.

I mean, under the bright lights.

That's when it matters the most.

One day, yeah.

Sunday red.

I turned the feet on with like, we were at our rental house. I turned the feet on with about 30 seconds.
Let's go. I knew you had that bet.
And I could only see your eyes. It was like the hoodie kept getting smaller around your head.
I actually didn't see the final play in its like totality for like an hour after because I was only watching the top of the screen. So when I saw the ball like go up and like him jump, I was like,'s about to hit this shot not realizing that he had traveled so yeah it was yeah all right t20 i could i can i can rock with that t20 feels good that's on the great play last year at the matches i'm proud of you yeah yeah that's that's very impressive nice purse uh i was curious about max our other good friend max yep um so he is a guy that has played well at augusta you said that's very important, but he's also a guy that's not playing well right now, which you also say is important.
So what would be a reasonable expectation for Max Homa at this year's Masters? I think top 25 is reasonable for him. I think, again, the thing Max, I'm sure he told you guys this as well, but the thing he's been talking about is away from tournament golf, he's been playing well.
Did he tell you what he shot on the first nine this weekend? Yeah, he was on fire. Yeah, something like that.
I think he said 700. Yeah, 700.
Yeah, had a putt for 28, I think, on the ninth, which would be like the low nine holes ever at the Masters if he did that within the tournament. I mean, he's seen positives away from tournament golf.
It's just not really working once he gets going. You know, for Max, it's about starts, man.
I mean, he's got to get off to a good start. He's got to be able to shoot something around even or under par on the first nine on Thursday.
I mean, I just think he's continued, and he knows this, he's continued to put himself behind the eight ball early, and then he's got to make up ground, which he's been able to do. So if he can just somehow find something solid on Thursday to get things going, shoot even par for the day, I mean, even shoot one over, I think there's an opportunity for him to run.
But I think top 25 is reasonable. You know, he played really well the first two days a year ago.
And then it obviously got tougher on the weekend. But I think he's going to make the cut.
And I think, you know, top 25, top 20 makes sense. Yeah, we love that.
Do you think that America is going to continue its dominance? Because what, it's seven majors in a row that we've won? I think it stops here. I think it ends here.
I think Rory or Rom or Sep or somebody like that does it. So that's kind of where I'm at.
I think the internationals are going to win this i think probably a european's going to win it and um there's the europeans i mean the rider cup is what seven months the europeans are just like crushing it right now in golf so um i think the theme continues yeah but they're not ready for for uh long island yeah they're not ready for strong island yeah for for a bunch of dudes yelling at them it it we're. We're up a couple points just going into that simply because of the crowds.
But, I mean, they're trending. Like, when you look at the bottom half of what the team might look like right now, their bottom half, if you will, the victors and guys like that, finding form finally like we've wanted them to, it's going to be very interesting to see if they kind of continue this run because, you know, if they're 6-12, to me, feels like what the old USA was 6-12 against the internationals on the President's Cup.
Like, it was never the top half that we were dominant on. It was always the bottom half of that roster.
And right now, kind of 1-12 on the Europeans seems very, very spicy for that crew. So even if you're a guy that maybe is sick of Scottie winning all the time, you should be rooting for Scotty just for that reason.
Because he's a, he's maybe our best chance. Like we hadn't talked about Morikawa.
I mean, Morikawa's, I mean, his stats, like Kyle Porter sent something out the other day, leads the world in Strokes gained approach, leads the world in Strokes gained ball striking, leads the world in Strokes gained T degree, T degree and leads the world in Strokes gained overall, all in 2025. I mean, this is a ball strikers golf course so colin morikawa played well here a year ago um i think scotty colin in terms of americans are are very very high on the list can you uh can you educate us on what strokes gain means i know that it's important and i know that it's good uh but i don't i don't know how they do it yeah it's an analytical deep dive into how players go against the rest of the field or the rest of the players in golf.
So it's basically like what your stats, how your stats kind of match up against everybody else versus something like greens and regulation. That's you versus the golf course.
PFT, I know you love the golf course. This is a little bit more like you against your peers.
Got it. So it's like war.
Strokes above replacement. Yeah, yeah.
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Two final questions for me. One, what is your favorite bet that isn't a winning bet? So it could be like top 20, it could be make or miss the cut, something like that.
Yeah, I like Phil top 20, I like Sergio top 20. I like both of those bets.
I think you're getting a round even for both of those, maybe even a little bit of plus money, so I like both of those for sure. Okay, okay i like that and then this is just something dumb that i always think about like the the fact that you do in these in these tournaments if you play morning on thursday then you play afternoon

on friday afternoon on thursday morning on friday that always never made sense to me because like

you basically have to turn around so fast if you're in the afternoon and they go to the morning

uh what what do guys prefer if weather is not a factor, what do they prefer? I think younger guys like late early. I think they like the quick flip.
And I also think if you're playing well, you want to get back out there quickly. And I think the older players prefer early late.
So they get a little bit more of a break and they can sleep in. And like, Tiger famously was Tiger famously was doing all the body work, you know, in the mornings on Fridays.
So I think it depends on age, but I think, I think if you pulled players, you'd probably get 70, 80% would be kind of like go out late on Thursday, get right back out on the golf course on Friday morning. Yeah.
Although it would drive me nuts now that I'm thinking about it playing early on Friday, not knowing what I need to score. Like I.
I feel like playing late on Friday where you're like,

here, this is what I have to do to make the cut,

is maybe a little bit of an advantage.

Yeah, and I think this year, especially with the forecast on Friday,

I think getting out there early on Friday would be preferred

simply because if there are delays and stuff like that.

Now if you're a Friday late, your second round might bleed into Saturday,

and then you've got to play a marathon day on Saturday

in terms of golf if you make the cut.

So I think for this year, especially with what we might see on Friday,

I don't think it's a huge percentage, maybe like 30%, 40%. But if there are going to be rain showers, at least if you're an early Friday guy, you can get your round in.
Yeah. I was reading the other day that if you win the Masters, you get to use the Champions driving range that not everybody else gets to use.
Have you heard about this champion's driving range? I don't know about the champion's driving range. No, I mean, they all do.
They all hit balls at the tournament practice area, the kind of new one over the last few years, where they've like, it's the best range on the planet, by the way. I mean, they literally replicate greens that are on the golf course so that you can hit certain shots into greens and get an idea of what it's going to look look like um out on the golf course but now i don't know about that one i'll have to ask some of the some of the dudes back here that have played yeah because the thing i was reading you might have just sent him on like a is there a basement in the alamo i might have just walking around everyone's like this guy doesn't know what the fuck yeah it's like a big it's a big joke that they're playing i did i did read though that there's a champion's driving range but the champion's driving range isn't nearly as good as the regular driving range.
So it's like, why would you want to use it? Just to be like, fuck you, I have access. It makes you feel like an honorary starter you go there because you don't hit it as far as you used to.
Maybe that's where you warm up. Yeah, that's true.
That's actually a good point. That's probably why it's not as long.
That's where those guys go, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
All right, well, Shane, thank you so much. Good luck this week in the lottery.
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at the end of the show. We have

partner take from the listeners. By the way, we did did miss one i should have used this for my hot seat uh cody bellinger is out because he had bad wings yeah the old mark titus injury there have been some great baseball injuries this year um being out because he ate chicken wings man card tough play the joe the joe buck drop tough gotta gotta make it can't say it's the wings.
Guy like me, I only eat wings. Never missed a podcast.
Nope. Not a jinx.
Okay. Hank.
Wow, this is sad. I figured you guys would appreciate this.
All four major sports leagues have apparently stopped making championship DVDs slash Blu-rays. Like you guys always say, this is the start of dvd when my team has a big moment the championship dvd is quintessential merch to buy when your team wins hate to see it looks like they're a thing of the past signed sad eagles what do they do now this sucks it's like championship youtube link championship instagram reel that's crazy you gotta still make the dvd we're still gonna say championship dvd start of the dvd right yeah absolutely we're not changing it's like either it makes us a boomer but you either die millennial or you live long enough to be a boomer we'll just accept it i don't give a fuck people call him boomer all the time who cares you know who else they call boomer chris berman what hey it's a boomer take yeah what you don't give a fuck who cares yeah cares? Is that a boomer to not care? What was it the other day? Oh, someone said my Duke hate was a boomer take.
What? No, that's just a kid that likes Duke. Yeah, that's also a kid that just doesn't understand how sports work.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think that's my problem is that people use boomer take for things that are not even close to it. I know when I have a boomomer Take.
Saying championship DVD is a Boomer Take. They do that with cringe too.
Yeah. It's just a word that they'll say that they think is going to hurt you.
Right. Guess what? I don't give a fuck.
It's lost all meaning because it gets thrown around too much. You overused it.
You overplayed your hand. We took that word back.
Yeah. Now that the Super Bowl and Final Four have wrapped up, I'm curious to get your take on the best city for a finale to a sports season and maybe as a second layer of the best game.
Super Bowl Final Four to be there for. Wait, what do you mean? Where it takes place? Yeah, best city.
Best city for a finale to a sports season. I mean, Vegas.
Vegas. I can personally attest.
I like New Orleans. Stanley Cup in Vegas.

Yeah.

When your team wins.

The Final Four in New Orleans would be better than Vegas.

New Orleans is pretty sick.

We did do the Final Four in New Orleans a couple years ago.

It was a great time.

Super Bowl was in New Orleans this year.

Do you remember what happened in that Final Four, Big Cat?

Yeah.

In Vegas?

Or in New Orleans?

Coach K is dead.

Yeah.

Boomer take.

Yeah, listen.

New Orleans is always going to be at the top of my list.gas was a lot of fun i like indy too yeah i'm trying to think indy's indy is is a good city just because you don't have to get in a car you don't get an uber um your city what baseball basketball hockey oh but he's saying that no he he's saying... Yeah, he's saying like the venue city.
Yeah, the venue city when it's a Final Four Super Bowl. So it's a different city.
Memes is also back here saying like you can pick any city. You don't have to pick like...
Like Nashville would be a good Super Bowl city if it wasn't so cold. What, are you trying to go on a bachelor party? No, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. a Super Bowl, buddy.
I'm just saying. There's a bunch of places.
Memes wants to go back to God's country. So, like, I could say...
London. Yeah, the Bahamas.
The Bahamas would be great. Hawaii, Honolulu.
Amsterdam. Would be sick.
But imagine losing in Honolulu. Yeah.
It's a long flight. But if you lose in Honolulu, you're like, okay, who cares? Yeah.
I'm in Hawaii. I think New York would be a good place just because it's basically anywhere you can.
Bad take. Why? The stadium is so bad.
It would get so crowded. Obviously, I'm talking about being on the team.
Oh. Yeah.
I thought you were talking. I was looking at it as a fan.
Yeah, as a fan. But on the team, I'm saying New York would be...
If you win someplace where the bars don't close, that's sick. Yeah, that changes things.
Yeah. That for sure changes things.
I was thinking on the team. I guess it doesn't make as much sense for Final Four, but I was thinking Super Bowl.
If you win the Super Bowl in Vegas, you go out as a team in Vegas. That's sick.
Yeah. Because fan you're gonna just go to whatever bar you know it doesn't I guess I don't think Vegas obviously different but as a player Miami Miami would be sick Miami would be so sick also as a fan I feel like Miami would be fun that's a double all right last one the PGA championship needs to go back to being the last major this recent throws off the whole summer.
It's the perfect epilogue in that it's not as charming but gives you a bit more content. Plus, the British Open, maybe the best major, has no business being the closer since the shitty weather doesn't feel very summery.
This guy just did the, you've given yourself away, three fingers. The best major? He called it the British Open.
It's the Open open championship and it's not even close to the best yeah if you really thought that that was the best guy you're as the best no second best you think it's better than the u.s open no chance sometimes it depends it varies maybe if you live in england but for time zone reasons it sucks yeah it's bad yeah masters u.s open open championship pga but that's why i like that they move the pga up because otherwise it's like who cares why is the masters always first because they they're the masters they get everything they get to do whatever they want get everything yeah this guy's wrong open championship well no but his point was that they should just flip flop his point was well his point is to your point he doesn't think the open championship should be the last one because it's not as good i thought you said it's the best i said maybe the best but he said it shouldn't be the last major of the year okay i that's fine i don't hate that yeah but the fact that he didn't refer to it in the correct nomenclature tells me he's not really that big a fan i almost i just got hung up with the fact that he's maybe the best. It's never maybe been the best.
No. PGA Championship is definitely the worst.
I think that's fair. And Masters is definitely the best.
And if you're an American like I thought we all were, the U.S. Open is the second best, and the Open Championship is the third.
But it's sounding to me like you're... It's a different style of golf.
Which side are you rooting for when they play in Long Island? It's a different style of golf. America.
Okay. Are you really? Are you? Because, like, listen...
The Live Guys are in Europe. Exactly.
I could see Hank... Brooks.
...being Euro. Just saying.
There's actually, like, just Jon it's just John Rob I guess Hatton

you love John Rob

I like John Rob yeah yeah

you love Ludwig you love Sergio

I do love Ludwig yeah I like Sergio

yeah you love Sergio you love Rory

no I know you hate Rory

alright real quick

White Lotus Hank

you watched just this so spoilers

coming I really don't think there's anyone

out there who's like

I'm saving the finale for

Thank you. White Lotus Hank you watch just this so spoilers coming I really don't think there's anyone out there who's like I'm saving the finale for Friday so Hank PFT and I watched the whole season yep hey Max did you watch the whole season I did okay so Max watched the whole season you just watched the finale yep I'll preface it I watched the maybe even last year, I watched the first, maybe one or two episodes of season one, decided it wasn't a show for me, removed it from, you know, my future.
So I've seen, like I have everything on Twitter. I see people talking about it.
I don't ignore it. I don't like avoid it because I don't care.
Right. So I've picked, I've like been weirdly kind of following along.
Like I've seen the memes. I see people that we work with and stuff, tweet about it.
And like, sometimes I'll read them. I don't know what's going on.
So I did have some level of understanding going into it, but I just watched the finale. I tried to watch the finale.
I wrote some notes down until I fell asleep. It was an hour and a half.
I was battling and I I'm like... So you didn't see it.
So I got probably 60, 75 minutes in and I just fell asleep. I think this might be the future of recaps.
We gotta be close. I remember being like, this has gotta be close.
It's been going on so long. There's so many fucking storylines.
How is any of this connected? And then it was like 40 minutes left. Okay.
And I tried to stay awake. I didn't.
is Hank's thoughts about the finale of White Lotus from a guy that didn't watch the season of White Lotus and fell asleep halfway through. Yeah, I'll give...
I have like four notes and then you guys can go into it. Bad for Thailand.
That guy seemed like a badass. Whoever was bad for Thailand.
Why are they in Thailand was the question. Wait, who is bad for Thailand? The guy in the very beginning of the episode, he's like, you're bad for Thailand.
That Walt Goggins was talking to oh Sam Rockwell are you good for Thailand yeah yeah he was an awesome Sam Rockwell should have his own show yeah that character yes yeah he was one of the only characters I liked he fucks yeah well he didn't for a while and also he gets fucked by he also seemed didn't seem didn't seem interested yeah you know you missed the whole part where he he got fucked by dudes yeah he's that he didn't get off by fucking chicks anymore and so he went in this like maybe episode five he's like then i found out that the only way i could get off is to be a thai woman and get fucked yeah because the chicks he was fucking he wanted to be them getting fucked by an american yeah that explains why he wasn't when they reunited he was like i don't care she was like oh i missed you and he's like he by an American. Yeah.
That explains why he wasn't, when they reunited, he was like, I don't care. She was like, oh, I missed you.
And he was like, he just goes, yep. Yeah.
Duke, very featured. That's not an accident.
Like I can under, I actually could understand why Duke was mad because it was so prominently featured and like in Hollywood, that's a, you know, nothing comes on screen by like they have to you know set design uh outfit design like the fact that they made duke that prominent talking like this was kind of wild like what was there a significant reason or was it just like a throwaway like he went to duke because like having him wear duke stuff if on a major hbo show is kind of crazy i think there was a it was clearly anti-duke propaganda that's crazy which is which I'm fully in support of. The moral of the entire show is basically like, don't let your children go to Duke.
Yeah. Go to UNC.
And they even I mean, the character named Zion got paid millions of dollars to not do anything. It seemed pretty slanted towards Duke.
I wrote, these are the guys that banged their brothers. Gross.
Yeah. Yeah.
Did they actually bang or did he just No he jacked them off So that I saw people doing incest Incest incest What's this take What is this take They came on screen I was like Oh this is crazy these guys banged And he said the jerking off thing and I was like People were freaking out on twitter I know it's bad but people I thought I was expecting like Game of Thrones incest He just jacked his brother off Hank doesn't understand the big deal This is like modern day Like on vacation Jerking off your brother No no no Based on what I saw on Twitter I was expecting incest And I know that's That is incest I was expecting fucking my bad I apologize I was expecting like Game of Thrones And so like, I was expecting incest. And I know that's- That is incest.
It is. That's by definition.
My bad. I apologize.
I was expecting Game of Thrones. So I was like, this is disgusting.
I can see why people were mad. When the character Locke, when he said to his brother, when they had that confrontation in the final episode, he was like, I only jacked you off during that threesome because I guess I'm just a people pleaser.
That is weaponized therapy. Yeah.
I also- Threesome do that was it is that one of the sisters the guy that patrick schwarzenegger was jealous that loved goggins no no that's they're they were friends okay um if you jerk off your brother like that the conversation the next morning has to be one of us has to kill ourselves yeah like you can't both be alive after that. It just can't.
You cannot live like that. Good segue.
Yeah. That's where I fell asleep.
The dad was, I mean, suicide. That was a little bit, you know, how convenient you have a suicide pair in your backyard with the guy that overrated.
I fell asleep when he was like grinding it up. Did he not? No, he almost killed his this goes to my biggest That's it that's all I got Great show I like White Lotus White Lotus fan coming in peace I did not think this was the strongest season No I'd put it clearly number 3 I think season I'm going to go season 2 Then season 1 barely And then clearly season 3 Yeah then clearly season three.
Yeah, I think one and two are interchangeable of which one's your favorite. And then three, like, so this happens whenever a TV show that's widely popular.
If you don't like a certain season, you're dubbed like a contrarian or you're trying to hate just to hate. I like White Lotus.
I'm going to watch season four. I thought this season season was not great and the rat lift story was was one of my biggest issues because what you saw hank was what happened all season where so he did the um the pina coladas with his family he ended up hitting them all out of his hand their hands and being like don't drink it the milk's gone bad that was like the sixth time we had a dream sequence slash uh something happened where they tried to fake us out that he was committing suicide or killing his family enough of it yeah i i actually think lock should have died at the end yeah agree instead of the fake out death is the worst yeah instead what happened was he survived because i guess he didn't eat enough of the suicide pair that's why i said the suicide pair is overrated or i thought maybe it was like a dmt pair because he was like i just saw god yeah and then they get on a boat and the dad's like hey sorry i tried to kill all you guys like did they not have that conversation because lock obviously drank the milkshake yeah and then he basically died was his dad ever like oh yeah uh about that this is why you passed out also the entire storyline of the rat lifts and the dad uh which was interesting financial crimes having to deal with that no one has phones and then all we get is one like 10 second speech at the end where he's like we'll stay together as a family yeah hey sorry i tried to kill all y'all but uh i gotta be honest we're all gonna go broke yeah like love you dad i did like from the rat lifts i thought saxon was awesome uh his like story arc was cool yeah the look back at the end with goggins and his girlfriend like he kind of finally got it and i parker posey's just a hilarious actress it is it is fun to talk like parker posey yeah she and parker posey end up winning because she knew all along that her daughter was a spoiled rich kid.

And she just had to go sleep in a monastery one night to realize. And it's just fun to talk like her and be like, get me out of Taiwan.
Where's my Lorazopam? When she saw her daughter come back and then she was proud of her daughter for being spoiled. That was the funniest thing.
Yeah, it was great. I mean, the whole theme of this show is that rich people, idle rich people are the worst, and also bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people.
Yeah, and when, what was her name, Belinda? Yeah. When Belinda got paid all that money, and then she became the character from the previous season.
Yeah. I liked that.
That was good. That made me a little bit sad for the guy, that she was like, I'm do it yeah i'm not gonna go into business with the corn chai see you later porn chai porn chai uh that was a very good scene and then i wrote down that uh the white lotus the property the white lotus yeah they have to have the best trip advisor account manager ever because all these murders keep happening at their resorts and they seem to be doing really well yeah with tourists just deleting them all yeah we're gonna get rid of all the negative feedback even though people die all the time and you know what it is here's why i bet their their accounts are doing well the donut tree did you notice the donut tree that walter goggins went to to pick yeah how is How I never heard of a donut tree before? Oh, I've seen those that like, you know what? They sometimes have them in like suites at like football games and stuff.
I feel like Ross Tucker has tweeted out a donut tree. I've never seen a donut tree before.
But now we have to, can we get a donut tree? Absolutely. Ross Tucker's definitely tweeted out a donut tree.
Yeah, I just, I don't know. I thought the season just, it kind of, they did stretch it.

It was more, it was eight episodes.

I think season one was six and season two was seven.

It felt like it was eight where it was like an hour and a half.

And we went circular on a lot of storylines. And then I just, I don't know.

I was rooting for Walter Goggins and his girlfriend.

I thought the cheap Star Wars, he was your father, was just whatever. Walter Goggins was the British girl's dad? No.
Oh. No.
It was the guy from Thailand. Yeah.
Uncle Rico. Yeah.
That's the same guy from the beginning of the episode? No, no, no. Uncle Rico is Greg Gary.
Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah.
No, it was a British... They were dating.
I know. Well, this show is...
There was a storyline whereins was basically like i had i came to thailand to get vindication because this guy who's this rich guy who owns a resort with his wife killed my dad and then he went and confronted him at his house thought he was gonna shoot him pushed him over but had peace with it was like i finally told him off then the guy shows up to the resort and it confronts walter goggins like you're a pussy your mom was a slut and then walter goggins in like the last 10 minutes kills the guy and then the other woman's like why would you do that he's your father it's like come on goggins his father yeah oh wow so he ended up killing his dad as he was on a mission to kill the guy who killed his dad right that felt a little ham-fisted just a little cheap and then uh i think that this is gonna be an unpopular opinion though i think chelsea the the british girl that was dating walter goggins if she didn't have funny teeth she would suck yeah i liked her character yeah but i don't i think she was very likable because she was like kind of adorable but she's british but she was British, and all she did was just try to fix a guy that clearly wasn't fixable. Yeah.
I don't know. But he was fixed for a minute.
And then I actually enjoyed... Carrie Croon's, I thought, was the star of the show, in my opinion, because I thought she was...
The girl friendship storyline. That was real.
That was some good acting. But it also just ended.
I don't know. The whole ending was just.
It felt so abrupt. And then they all just witnessed a mass murder.
And then they all just got on the boat. And left.
Yeah. They were cool.
And Fabian falling in the water was very funny. Yes.
That guy. He was maybe my favorite.
And I didn't like the fucking security guard with his girlfriend.

Yeah, that was a pussy.

He was going for revenge too, right?

No, he was just a pussy.

He just knew that he had to get a shot off, unlike Kelvin Sampson at the end.

He's like, I got to make this chick like me.

Yeah.

I watched.

I enjoyed parts.

I didn't love the whole thing.

What if it was like one of those Disney Cinematic Universe tie-through stories where gary was uncle rico yeah like uncle rico retires to thailand yeah that's what i like to imagine that was my whole thing where i said it last week like gary just he going just keep going back to white lotus where like why would you keep doing that dude go to a four seasons i have a question for you. Do you think that you would have disliked it as much

if it wasn't coming right off of Severance?

Because I think that hurt this season.

No, I was watching them both at the same time.

But Severance is just so much better

that it made me like White Lotus less.

No, but I like White Lotus season two and season one a lot.

But you weren't watching it at the same time as Severance.

I was. Oh.
Because I caught up on Severance late. I was watching them both concurrently, and I absolutely think that's a fair point.
Because I was finding myself the same way because I would get so excited for Severance each week. And then when White Lotus came along, I was like, oh, this just isn't the same.
White Lotus. And maybe I missed the whole thing, but this idea that it's like a very deep show i think this also is just what we do now on the internet is where we analyze every little thing on a show it happens with severance too where it's like i don't think they're putting in that many clues to every little thing um and i it's a show where it's it's it's fun because you get to watch rich assholes go vacation, and there's some good parts or some funny parts.
It's not like super deep. Severance made me think a lot more.
Yes. So I did find myself like when Severance, when I watched Severance, I was very focused.
When I watched White Lotus, I was watching it, but I was like, this is just kind of, you know, they're on vacation walking around. I think this season of White Lotus, it took a lot longer to get into any real shit.

Yeah.

So that's why they made the last one an hour and a half is because Mike White was like, oh, shit, I got to have some stuff happen.

I got to wrap it up.

But it was listen.

I still think it was good.

Yeah.

I enjoyed watching it.

And I'm going to continue watching it like Big Cat.

Like, it's a good, good show.

It's not.

It's my test for every movie or show I watch.

If I think about it the morning after when I'm waking up, that means that it stuck with me and it's really good.

I thought about Severance for a couple days after.

White Lotus, I watched the finale and I was like, all right, I guess that's that.

Didn't really think about it the next day.

Piper, no.

Piper, we're on vacation, guys.

Didn't you think the fake outs of the suicide and everything were just like the fifth one?

It was like, all right, guys.

Yeah, and they got like bloodier and more gruesome. Yeah.
It's just like, come on. And then the milkshakes where it's like, oh, we're finally going to do this.
This guy's going to kill his whole family. Oh, no.
Milk's gone bad. Yeah.
There's also, there's a podcast, an accompanying podcast that goes along with White Lotus, which I haven't listened to. But does every new show now have a podcast? Oh, yeah.
Have to. Because I feel like doing a podcast an accompanying podcast that goes along with white lotus which i haven't listened to but does every new show now have a podcast oh yeah oh yeah have to because i feel like doing a doing a podcast about a show that you watch is the new reading a book i mean every old show has a podcast yes and technically we do that we should show with pm tv well pm tv yeah what happened on last week's pm tv uh last week's pm tv the White House.
Oh, let's break that down. So Jerry O'Connell reached out to us.
Big Cat and I didn't see it coming. Yeah.
But yeah, what would you give the season? I'd like a B. Three balls.
Four. It was fine.
Three and a half balls. You give it four, Hank? Yeah.
I enjoyed the other two seasons more yeah i could understand it i did i did like the uh the the daughter of the rat lifts i can't remember name what was her name piper piper yeah uh she is just she was so perfect of like i think i'm different than the rich narcissists that populate my family only to realize realize, no, I'm no different. And also have her brother be like, I want to do this with you.
And she's like, oh, now I'm really not different. Yeah.
I can't do this. One thing I do like about what Mike White does, though, is he either kills or morally bankrupts every likable character on the show.
Yeah. Like, he fucks with the viewer in a fun way.
That part I like. Yeah yeah it really is like good but bad things happen to good people good things happen to bad people and rich people who are on vacation are some of the worst people out there yeah any other thoughts max you like it what would you give it seven it was perfect it was six that's like a b yeah that's a b i also read that woody harrel Harrelson turned down a role.
I would imagine he was going to be Sam Rockwell's character. He turned down a role because he wanted to go on vacation with his family.
But when these guys go on to shoot this show, they spend like six months on vacation. Yeah, no.
Mike White has figured out the Adam Sandler role. Yeah, it's the best idea ever.
Go to the best locations to film your shows. Bring your friends.
That's what Adam Sandler did for like 20 years. Bring all your best friends to a resort and then film a movie there.
I wonder where next year will be. Key West, maybe? That'd be cool.
Yeah, someone said, I want to see this in like Vale. Pug said there's no ocean in the next one.
How do we know that, Pug? They did like an inside the episode with Mike White. Are they doing Lake Geneva, Wisconsin? He just said he's done with the waves crashing theme, so no ocean.
Put in bay. Yeah.
Okay. Inland.
That would be so sick. Jersey Shore.
Oh, my God. White Lotus, Jersey Shore.
I'm in. A snow trip.
A snow one would actually be awesome. A veil, yeah.
That one would be awesome. Or like Switzerland.

What's the Montana one?

Big Sky?

No, Stafford.

Yellowstone or something?

No.

Go to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Wasn't the one that Stafford and Tom Brady met?

Yeah, the club.

The club.

What's it called?

I don't know.

I think it's Yellowstone Club.

Yeah.

Sure.

Make it the White Lotus Club.

That would be sick.

And it's just Jordan Schultz and Ian Rapport fighting.

Maybe Rosillo can help write it. Yeah.

Alright. Good show, boys.

Masters.

Hank, I don't want you watching any

of that 12 to 2 block on Peacock.

Why? Because you didn't want

it. I did want it.
I was

bringing to light the fact that it existed.

Memes.

You'll never get this. Thanks.
You'll never get this. You'll never get a 50-50.
Oh, okay. I bet you I will first.
I think I'm just going to have to start doing 50-50s now. One other thing about the White Lotus.
Does anybody else have a problem where they watch like eight episodes of a show that they really enjoy, they get to the end and they realize that you don't know any of the characters' names?

Yeah.

Like off the top of your head?

I was having problems with that.

Yeah.

Also, the song from the first season, the intro song, I was expecting that for this one.

Yeah.

This intro song sucked.

They took out the Lululus.

The guy that wrote the song quit because Mike White wouldn't use the Lululus in it. That song was great.
Yeah. All right, memes.
I was trying to get him a false start. Numbers.
Three. 77.
Oh. I'm wearing it.
I'll go 76 for my boy Luca.

I'll go 78.

We're boxing them in.

65.

99, Pope.

15.

21. 23.