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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a twofer for the people. We've got four-time Blake of the Year, Blake Griffin, on the show to talk some hoops, catch up with him.
Been way too long.

Speaker 1 And then we have Owen Wilson. He's got a new show out on Apple TV called Stick.
Really great show. We talked to him about his career, cars, wow, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 We're going to recap some playoffs because we had an incredible, incredible game four in the Stanley Cup final, and then we had an incredible game three in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 So we're going to talk about both. We're going to do some NFL talk.
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Today is Friday, June 13th,

Speaker 1 and the Edmonton Oilers are very much alive. What a game, PFT.
The Oilers were down 3-0

Speaker 1 in the first period. They were deader than dead.
It felt like it was a coronation for the Panthers. They fight all the way back.

Speaker 8 They tie it 3-3.

Speaker 1 They go up 4-3.

Speaker 1 And then they give up a goal with 20 seconds left to go to overtime. And then Leon Dreisidel.
Fourth overtime goal in these playoffs. Insane.
That was puck, baby. That was some great puck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been great.

Speaker 4 What an incredible game. It had everything.
All these games have had everything. In this one, we even had a goalie getting benched in the first period.

Speaker 4 Skinner gave up three goals to start the game, got him out of there. If you were to inject him with Truth Serum,

Speaker 4 do you think he wanted the Oilers to

Speaker 4 win the Stanley Cup if he was benched?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 yes, because

Speaker 1 he would come back. So, yeah.
Yeah. I think so.
That'd be great.

Speaker 1 It's still the whole.

Speaker 4 You'd want your boys to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want your boys to win. But I mean,

Speaker 1 he's going to start. He's going to start game five.
You think so? Yeah. I think they'll go back to him.
I don't know. Maybe not.
I don't know. Yeah, maybe not.
Maybe not. I mean, he's got them there.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the last two, whatever, four periods have not looked good.

Speaker 1 Losing 6-1 and then tonight in the first period. But

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah, I actually have no idea if they'll go back to him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think if they do go back to him, that would be a big risk from the coach.

Speaker 4 And if they don't go back to him, I feel like that's the less risky play at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hold on. I'm going to text Yans and ask him right now.

Speaker 1 Because he's a Panthers fan. This would be good.
Do you want them to go back to Skinner or not? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Them to go back

Speaker 7 to Skinner.

Speaker 4 I've gotten to the point now, because I don't know if you're the same watching this this particular Stanley Cup finals. When the game doesn't go to overtime, I'm pissed off.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's been incredible.
We had one clunker of a game. The other three have been just instant classics.

Speaker 1 And like I said, Leon Drysido, fourth overtime goal in these playoffs. Insane.

Speaker 1 I think I saw the stat. It was

Speaker 1 teams are,

Speaker 1 I think it's 27-0, no, 37-0, maybe, when up three-plus goals

Speaker 1 at the end of the first period in the Stanley Cup final. So 37-0, now 37-1 after the Panthers blew that.
And it was over. It felt very much over.

Speaker 1 And the Oilers just kept, there was like a five-minute stretch in the second period where they just kind of woke up and took the game back. And the Panthers were like stunned.

Speaker 1 I think the Panthers thought it was over as well because

Speaker 1 they just didn't have the same edge. And it's awesome.
The whole, it's just great. Great puck.

Speaker 5 We've had great puck. We've had great ball, too.

Speaker 4 I actually have, I've got the nhl up three games to two against the nba in the finals oh okay so so uh friday night is a must-win yeah to the nba to to extend the series i think that's fair scoring you know who else thought that the game was over it was not just the florida panthers who our good friend paul bissinet oh yeah after the first period yeah oil got nothing they have no room anaconda chokehold game over the anaconda chokehold is that's

Speaker 4 you you only break that out if you 100% you break that out after the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Anaconda chokehold with 40 minutes left in the game is it feels uh feels you know what though? We all make those tweets. I've never.
I've never we all make those tweets.

Speaker 1 We all tweet with passion. I was gonna say if we're doing stars for the game, I think the the the guy who deserves all the credit for the Oilers is not Leon Dreiseidel.
It's not Connor McDavid.

Speaker 1 Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 Well, Taylor Swift, that was we had some flashbacks to watching NFL Sun. It was actually the first time that the NFL is coming back where they just kept on going to Taylor Swift during the game.

Speaker 1 We're like, what? Okay.

Speaker 1 It's not Pickard who came in for Skynyrd. It's Beans Guy.
I don't know if you saw this.

Speaker 4 I saw the beans.

Speaker 4 I don't get the Beans Guy. So explain the Beans Guy to me.

Speaker 1 Okay, so this is Young Booze69. Shout out Young Booze69, the Juice Man.

Speaker 1 After the first period,

Speaker 1 he's an Oilers fan. He was sitting on on his back porch, and he said,

Speaker 1 two pounds of rally baked beans. That's how you lead from the front.
And he started eating two pounds of baked beans, big Tupperware container. The Oilers came back.

Speaker 1 He was like halfway through, I think, the third period. He's like, I'm going to throw up.
This is getting really tough to do.

Speaker 1 Thank God I've had enough whiskeys to shove two more pounds of beans down my throat. So he just kept on going.
He kept on just pounding beans, and he brought the Oilers back.

Speaker 4 I'm willing to give him the start of the game if he finished the beans.

Speaker 1 I think he not only finished the beans, I think he reloaded the beans.

Speaker 4 Let me see. What's it? Rally Booze 69?

Speaker 1 Young Booze 69.

Speaker 4 Is it Y U N G?

Speaker 1 Y O U. The correct spelling of Young Booze with a Z 69.

Speaker 4 You know what? I'm just going to look up Rally Beans.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Rally Beans. You got to give him credit.
He went all out. He went all out for the team.
The team was in a dire situation, and he went all out for the team.

Speaker 4 Shout out to Pick and Save Screaming 2 for 1 deal on family-sized baked beans. Can't pass something like that up.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 4 He's dripping in oil.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Would a fucking win never doubt Bush's baked beans?

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. This guy was just pounding beans.
Okay. Till the Oilers came all the way back.

Speaker 4 I don't see.

Speaker 4 I want to give him some credit, but I don't know if I can make him start the guy.

Speaker 4 I see no info that he finished the beans.

Speaker 1 I think he reloaded the beans because he said he drank enough whiskey to have another two pounds.

Speaker 4 Job, you got to finish the job.

Speaker 4 I'll give him one of the stars of the game. Isn't the proof in the pudding, though?

Speaker 1 They came back. They won the game.

Speaker 4 They did.

Speaker 4 It was incredible comeback.

Speaker 4 The first period was like all Panthers. And there were times in overtime, it looked like it was all Panthers, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there was the Panthers.

Speaker 1 Was it a crossbar or a post that they hit that felt like it was over? And it was just like, oh.

Speaker 1 And there was that stretch where the Oilers had

Speaker 1 their

Speaker 1 D on the ice for like a minute and 45, and you could tell that it was like getting to that precarious situation in overtime where like, these guys are gassed and they're going to make a mistake, and you can't make a mistake in overtime.

Speaker 1 But then Leon Dreisido coming off the bench, just throwing the puck at the net. Like that wasn't even really a shot.

Speaker 1 It was a one-handed shot where he's like, Let's just make something happen, and those type of goals win games.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think it was off the crossbar. I think that the save of the night was uh, the shot to the face, the rarely seen shot to the face.
I think it dinted his face mask, too.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the point where the refs had to step in and be like, hey, man, you okay? Yeah, I'm a hockey player. I'll be fine.
We didn't wear face masks until like 10 years ago. I think that's a good point.

Speaker 4 All right, let's keep playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Yans hasn't gotten back to me. Neither is Whitney.
I'm going to try to call Whitney real quick to see if we can just get a Skinner update. Okay,

Speaker 1 um, I also sent him the Riverside, so but I doubt he's gonna join. He's probably he Whitney's in the point of the week in Florida where he did a post-game video and he has no voice left.

Speaker 4 I saw a clip of the two goalies after the game, and they were like shaking hands. And it looked, it honestly looked like they did a handshake line after the two goalies to each other.

Speaker 4 We saw a real life passing the torch. That's what I'm thinking.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 Whitney's not picking up. We'll try it.
We'll try Grinnell, his handler. And if that doesn't happen, we'll just go without any

Speaker 1 of our guys. What do you, I mean, what? Did you see? Oh,

Speaker 1 bad sports town. Yep.
How do the how do how do South Florida fans not learn after Ray Allen? I don't know.

Speaker 4 You would think that of all the sports towns in America, that would be the one that would be sure to have enough energy to stay through the end of the game.

Speaker 1 That, and just like you, you have the like probably the number one

Speaker 1 when you think of fans leaving early and it going the other way you think of ray allen you do but i think that panthers fans might be different from heat fans and i also think that like true miami heat fans like true miami sports fans they wouldn't learn shit from that lesson that's true uh all right we're gonna give one try one try to grinelli and if we can't get him we're just gonna keep going with some u.s open talk i we also have a

Speaker 1 the amount of tweets i'm getting about going to game seven are getting troubling yeah i'm getting quite a few.

Speaker 4 Oh, I think.

Speaker 1 Hey, are you with Wit?

Speaker 1 No, I'm not allowed in his box. He told me, he saw my nose, and he told me I was not allowed

Speaker 1 anywhere near his box.

Speaker 1 And it also goes for Merles, memes, and Colby as well. He said they're not allowed anywhere near his box.
Wait, so is he alone right now?

Speaker 1 No, he's with

Speaker 1 our photographer. He's also with Pasha.

Speaker 1 It's just, yeah, it's just. Okay.

Speaker 1 I have no idea. All right.
Hey, wait, wait. Are you with Merles?

Speaker 1 I am with Merles. Put Merles on the phone real quick.
All right, I got you.

Speaker 1 This is it.

Speaker 1 They've been in Florida.

Speaker 1 They've been in Florida for like seven days. Where did Merle go?

Speaker 1 They can't find anyone.

Speaker 1 This is awesome. Murro's in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Give me Arm Dog. Give me Arm Dog.

Speaker 1 Give me arm dog.

Speaker 1 What is army?

Speaker 4 That's how long you think he's going to be in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Army left? Who's there?

Speaker 1 We got memes. Girls in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 He's is on TNT.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it won't let us in his spot. And Ian's is gone.

Speaker 1 You guys are a mess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're all over the place. All right, give me memes.
Give me memes. all right i got your memes

Speaker 1 come here chicklets has a memes too

Speaker 1 all right you're on pmt

Speaker 1 hey

Speaker 1 memes hey you're

Speaker 1 we we just had to go down the line of of chicklets guys so we're gonna ask you do do the oilers

Speaker 1 do the oilers go go back to skinner

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're going Skinner. Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 Rose is here too now if you want him. I do.
Let's ask him.

Speaker 1 Hey, poor sign, just guy right back up. Pre-sign, here we go, buds.

Speaker 1 What's that? Are we live? Yeah, we're live. Hey, Merles,

Speaker 1 do the Oilers go back to Skinner?

Speaker 1 No. No.
Oh, you think he's done for the series?

Speaker 1 Yes. So what happens in hockey is when you put a weaker goalie in, all the guys smarten up and play a little tighter, a little smarter.
They start blocking shots. If you look back in the old,

Speaker 1 I forget what year it was, this guy, the hamburger, do you remember him for Ottawa, the goalie?

Speaker 1 Sure,

Speaker 1 Andrew Hammond, he went 20 and one. He was like from the third league, the East Coast Hockey League, and they brought him up to Ottawa and they threw him in the net.

Speaker 1 And all the players knew that, like, if they let a shot go through, it was going in the net. So they all just started blocking every shot and then just like not making high-risk plays.

Speaker 1 So they just played such a simple game, and then they eventually win the game. So that's what happens with with Picker.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you think Skinner's done for the series?

Speaker 1 I think he's done for next game. Okay, for next game.
So he could be back in the series.

Speaker 1 Play the hot hand. Okay.

Speaker 1 Whitney's on hinge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he kicked you guys out. He completely lost it.
He kicked you guys out of the box.

Speaker 1 He's yelling and screaming at some of his best friends in life to get away from him because they scored two goals when we weren't next to him. So he picked us out of the suite.
We had to leave.

Speaker 1 We're like, dude, but we were there for the first goal to start the comeback. He's like, no, but you weren't here for the second and third goal.

Speaker 1 Screaming and yelling at me, kicked me out of the suite we were in. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Merles.
We appreciate it. All right.
I'll talk to you later.

Speaker 1 Oilers and six. Oilers and six.
There we go. I like that.
Save us a trip to Edmonton.

Speaker 1 All right. No, I don't want to go to Edmonton.
I heard you're in, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Maybe.
All right. All right.
See ya.

Speaker 1 We love you too. Bye.
Merle's is the best.

Speaker 4 The Moss Pit looked awesome tonight.

Speaker 1 The Moss. The Moss Pit looked incredible.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 what's her name? The woman who dresses in all silver. Fuck.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mama Stanley, I believe.

Speaker 4 She doesn't really react that much. She just raises the sign that says believe or leave.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
She's very

Speaker 4 demure.

Speaker 1 Incredible game. Incredible game.

Speaker 1 All right. So maybe they go out hand.
Yans did text me back, but he hasn't. He just wrote back me question mark.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 I said, do you want them to go back to Skinner or not? He said, me, I don't care.

Speaker 4 I have a question for you, big cat. Has hockey tricked us into saying free hockey just by taking away the fourth quarter?

Speaker 4 And then whenever it gets to the fourth quarter, we're so grateful to have a fourth quarter?

Speaker 1 That's a good point. That was a good point.

Speaker 4 I mean, I still love it. Don't get me wrong.
I love overtime hockey in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I really wish we had gotten to that eighth overtime so we could get the rules in the envelope in Toronto.

Speaker 4 They actually just call it a tie.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we talk a little U.S.
Open real quick?

Speaker 4 The Open Championship.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The U.S. Open

Speaker 1 wasn't impressed with the golf course. A lot of talk about the golf course.
Then we got all the excuses from everyone right after being like, oh, it's soft.

Speaker 8 It's soft. The golf course is soft.

Speaker 1 I still wasn't impressed.

Speaker 4 I think that the golf course had a decent opening round.

Speaker 1 It was okay, but

Speaker 1 I was expecting carnage everywhere. Like six guys under par.
I understand, Hank. I wanted no guys under par.
I wanted carnage everywhere. I wanted to get a golf to play.

Speaker 1 But the way that the course is going to firm up. Hank, the way that it was talked about, true or false, they were saying that this was like the most impossible golf course of all time.

Speaker 10 There's six guys under par after one round.

Speaker 1 Six too many.

Speaker 4 I think there were 10 guys that didn't have a birdie today.

Speaker 1 Six too many.

Speaker 4 I think that Big Cat's right in that the course was talked about like we expected golfers to be bleeding when they left the course. Like there would be golfers spitting their teeth out.

Speaker 4 They'd be bleeding from the nose. They'd be puking.
And so far, the best that we got was just like some guys losing their balls in the rough.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 I do think Hank's right that this is what happens with the course. It's the opening round.
The course will

Speaker 1 lull you

Speaker 4 into a false sense of security. Yeah, it rained last Sunday.
It was even drier.

Speaker 1 What did I say? I said, just I wasn't impressed today. And by the way, just as a point of correction, because Hank is our golf expert, there were 10 guys under par today,

Speaker 1 and there were 19 guys that were even or better.

Speaker 1 That's not a lot. That's too many for the calls.

Speaker 1 For

Speaker 1 the way they pumped this thing up, I wanted... I wanted zero.
I wanted the best. I wanted the winning score after the first round to be plus three.

Speaker 4 Well, what about this? When Seewo Kim, when he did his post-match or post-round interview, he said, honestly, I don't even know what I'm doing on this course.

Speaker 4 I feel like this course is too hard for me.

Speaker 4 And he was too under.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he's in third place.

Speaker 1 Incredible. And also, our guy Brooks, listen, there's a lot of golf to be played, but he had a great round, probably his best round in a major in a long time.

Speaker 1 And also, he had a press conference that made me think that he might have his swagger back. Did you see this? Where he was, uh,

Speaker 1 so the question that was asked was:

Speaker 1 question, everyone always points back to the comment at Beth Page, five, ten players, whatever can win this week. Do you still think of yourself that way or has it changed at all?

Speaker 1 Brooks replied, I mean, I don't talk about it. You guys talk about it.
Then the quote, then the journalist said, it was your quote, though. And Brooks said, it was.

Speaker 1 I said it once, and now everyone repeats it.

Speaker 1 Stop talking about my quote.

Speaker 1 He got his swagger back, baby.

Speaker 4 He gets pissed off. It's like, you're copying me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right, exactly.

Speaker 4 You're stealing my words. I'm not saying my words right now.
You're saying my words to me. They're not even your words.
They're mine.

Speaker 1 PFT, what do you think the boys in the booth are talking about? Because they've just been having a conversation off mic.

Speaker 10 These are my

Speaker 4 three kids in the basement around the coffee table were talking about when they're doing the podcast. Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're just chit-chatting it up with their mics off while we're just trying to do the show. That was, no, I mean, that was.

Speaker 10 I have a buddy from Miami who's been face-time, face-to-face, face-to-face, one stop, and I finally answered just to tell him to shut up. And he was with Grinnelli, and they're just buckled.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it was a funny full-circle moment.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. The Chicklitz guys are in disarray right now.

Speaker 4 One thing that we do need to do, though.

Speaker 1 Wait, by the way, the best part about that whole entire exchange with the Chicklitz guys is just like Grinnell just being like, business on TNT.

Speaker 1 It's like every one of their guys is up.

Speaker 1 We got one guy in the bathroom, one guy over here. Biz is on TNT.

Speaker 4 Biz is on television, talking to Wayne Gretzky like he likes to do.

Speaker 1 What were you going to say?

Speaker 4 I forget. We were talking about golf.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. What we need to do is we need to just keep an eye on the leaderboard.

Speaker 4 And the second that Brooks takes first place, God willing, then at that point, Big Cat, you need to stop talking trash about the course course and you need to start gassing the course up.

Speaker 1 That's fine. Listen.

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 at that point, it's like Brooks is dominating at the hardest course ever invented.

Speaker 1 I am, if the course answers tomorrow,

Speaker 1 I'm not making a final judgment on this course.

Speaker 1 My only point was the way this course was talked about, I wanted it to be a lot harder. And I know it's very hard.
And I know there's 10 guys, only 10 guys under par, but like, it's the hype.

Speaker 1 The hype was so insane where guys were saying like you know i saw like they were interviewing um

Speaker 1 a bunch of pros being like what is a 10 handicap shoot on this course and they were like 180 160

Speaker 1 they don't finish like they don't they would lose every ball so it's like i just kept on hearing all this stuff and i want it to be that i want it to be so excruciating uh and i listen if it's going to firm up i'm in i'm in i want the course to fight back i also want brooks to win but i want the course to fight fight back.

Speaker 4 It's going to fight back. It's going to bake out a little bit.
There was one piece of course propaganda that they put out that at that point I knew they were going too far and hyping it up.

Speaker 4 And that's when we had multiple golfers doing their approach shot from 120 yards with a putter to show to show how dry it was. When that happened, I was like, wait a second.

Speaker 4 That's actually really easy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, you could do the putter thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I could get a par on that hole just using my putter.

Speaker 1 It was that, and then it was the army of lawnmowers when they had them just marching around and being like, well, they actually get it so the grass stands up. So it's even more impossible to find.

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 1 I love the U.S. Open.
I love that they make it really hard. Just tone it down if it's not going to be as hard.
If it's not going to,

Speaker 1 I want the winner to be plus, you know, I want them to be over par.

Speaker 4 The guys with the lawnmowers, there was one where they're standing in the bunker and they've got the lawnmowers above them mowing the side of the bunker.

Speaker 4 And I thought it was a viral ad for final Destination.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like it looked, it looked scary, but then I was looking at that. I was like,

Speaker 4 why are you making such a big deal out of the guys with the mowers?

Speaker 4 The scarier thing would be if they had no guys with mowers out there at all and let the court, like there should be a guy standing in front of those lawnmowers like it's Tiananmen Square being like, stop with the mowing, grow it out.

Speaker 4 Let's let this course be all that it can be.

Speaker 1 I thought the same thing when I saw the lawnmowers was like, are they making it easier? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I don't understand how any of this stuff works in golf course, what's what's the actual there's a maintenance?

Speaker 1 No, yeah, there's I think it's golf course maintenance is like a pretty popular major at a bunch of colleges. Yeah, you can do it.

Speaker 1 What do you got, memes? They just keep talking without the mics on.

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 it's uh turf management.

Speaker 1 Oh, turf management was a golf college. Did you did you do it? No,

Speaker 1 business. That wasn't business, but

Speaker 1 memes.

Speaker 10 Yeah, memeology.

Speaker 1 Meme, do you want to memes? Do you want to say anything about Luigi shouting you out?

Speaker 1 Uh

Speaker 1 do I disavow him?

Speaker 3 What did he say? It was a nice shout out.

Speaker 1 It was a nice shout-out. I think you just say you take a shout-out whoever you get it.
What did he say?

Speaker 4 He just said he had made a list of things that he's thankful for in prison. And then one of them, I think, was like

Speaker 4 thick Latinas for Luigi. And then the next one was memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Latinas for Mangioni.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I also, I got a comment from Oldie about whether or not Edmonton should start

Speaker 4 Skinner or not. He said, don't think.

Speaker 4 Don't think. I don't know if he's telling us to not think about it or if he's saying, I don't think they do.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I don't think they do.

Speaker 1 If we're keeping score at home, Chicklett's memes said, go back to Skinner. Merle said, don't go back to Skinner.

Speaker 1 Oldie said, don't think.

Speaker 1 Yan said, I don't care.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 1 That's a good.

Speaker 1 We got it all. I don't think we missed any answer that you could have.

Speaker 4 Somebody's going to be right.

Speaker 1 Someone is going to win this one.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we kick it to ourselves? Talking to NBA Finals and Little NFL, and then we'll get to our interviews.

Speaker 4 Let's do it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, boys, the Indiana Pacers are up 2-1 in the NBA Finals. Holy shit, this team, and listen, we've doubted them at times.

Speaker 1 Hank has really doubted them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they answer the bell every single time. That was an awesome game three.
These finals have been a lot better than anyone expected.

Speaker 1 And it was, again, the Indiana Pacers just having dudes after dudes after dudes. TJ McConnell off the bench, first player in NBA Finals history to go 10 points, five 5 steals, and 5 rebounds.

Speaker 1 And Benedict Matherin, who was awesome, 27 points.

Speaker 1 He was, I think, 9 for 12 shooting. Also, I looked this up.
He had the most points off the bench in an NBA Finals game since.

Speaker 1 Does anyone have it?

Speaker 1 27 points off the bench. Most.
Deli. Nope.

Speaker 4 Good answer.

Speaker 1 It was Jason Terry, 2011, game six.

Speaker 4 Also coached by Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Little, little something there.

Speaker 4 That's quite a nugget.

Speaker 1 I mean, Benedict Matherin, he didn't play the first quarter, and then he outscored the Thunders bench 27 to 18 by himself.

Speaker 4 And did you see him after the game was over when SVP was interviewing him? Like, hey, that's pretty cool that you did that. He was saying all the right things.

Speaker 4 But the difference is, like, I believed him when he was saying all the right things. He's like, I honestly do not care until we win the championship.
Yeah. And he didn't care.

Speaker 4 And it was at that point because after the game, I was like, that's awesome for the Pacers.

Speaker 8 I'm glad they got one at home.

Speaker 4 What a performance from their bench. What a performance by the entire team.
And the crowd was awesome.

Speaker 1 The crowd was awesome. Caitlin Clark, shout out.
8-0 now. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What a great game it was for them. And I was like, that's cool.
But I still thought that the Thunder were definitely going to win. Then I heard how little he cared about how many points he scored.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And for whatever, he hypnotized me.
I was like, this guy actually means all the cliche shit that you say that you're supposed to say.

Speaker 4 I kind of believe in the Pacers now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's an all-time confidence guy. You remember there was a story when he was in the combine in the draft process.

Speaker 1 He said

Speaker 1 what he's looking forward to most in the league is his first game against LeBron James because a lot of people say he's great. I want to see how great he is.
I don't think anybody is better than me.

Speaker 1 He's going to have to show me he's better than me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I've seen him on TV, but he hasn't played me before.

Speaker 1 That's an all-time confidence guy, all-time bench guy.

Speaker 1 And yeah, the Pacers, I mean, Hal Burton also answered the bell where he was like way more aggressive, was I think a rebound shy of a triple-double.

Speaker 1 And it, it, it was like, there was multiple moments in that game where I was like, uh-oh, here come the thunder.

Speaker 1 Even how the second half started where they, they, they, uh, I think they scored like six points right away. I was like, oh, this game.
And then just the Pacers just kept on coming back and fighting.

Speaker 1 And then you look up. And it's like, I think the Thunder went like a long stretch in the fourth quarter without hitting a field goal.
SGA was bad in the fourth quarter, really bad. Three points.

Speaker 1 He's the MVP of the league. He needs to be, and he was bad defensively.
Like, he needs to be put in that same spot when you have a game like that to be criticized.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he's a great player, and I expect him to answer in game four, but he was bad in the fourth quarter in game three.

Speaker 4 And when you blow the Pacers out, they're going to come back and beat you in the next game. That's what they do.
Yeah. Every time they get blown out this postseason, they are 4-0.

Speaker 4 They're undefeated when they lose by 15-plus points in the previous game.

Speaker 1 And they also have not lost back-to-back games since March 10th. Yeah.
That's a long time. Yeah, so

Speaker 4 I think I low-key believe in the Pacers. I do too.
Maybe it's, do I, I think I high-key, low-key believe in the Pacers.

Speaker 1 I, I, I believe in the Pacers throughout the Eastern Conference playoffs, and then the finals came, and I was like, I think the Thunder are going to win.

Speaker 1 And I know that it's obviously now that they're up, but

Speaker 1 they just, there's something about them. Like, they just have more guys, and they just, I think it's also they don't, the moment is never too big for them.
They're not scared, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, they're not worried, they're not scared, and it just, it's something about this team is special. They also are, they're going for the longest odds ever to win an NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, it's got to be up there in all four sports, too.

Speaker 1 So it's fourth all-time in all four sports. Uh, right now, so their preseason odds were 66 to one.

Speaker 1 Um, the second uh longest preseason odds to ever win an NBA title was the 2014-15 Warriors at 28-1. In all of sports, Leicester City.

Speaker 1 We're counting sports.

Speaker 1 In all the sports,

Speaker 1 the 1999

Speaker 1 St. Louis Rams, 150-1 preseason odds.
The 1991 Minnesota Twins were 80-1. And then the 2003 Florida Marlins were 75-1.
And then fourth is the Pacers, 66 to 1.

Speaker 1 But what's crazy is the Pacers, I think, were longer odds even when the postseason started. They were 80 to 1.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 they went up.

Speaker 4 And I think with that Twins, I think they were playing the Braves in that World Series, and they were both worst of first teams. That's probably the biggest combined odds to reach the championship.

Speaker 1 Kirby Puckett put the whole team on the back. That's right.
Yeah, and they had the Black Jackson McDowell right now. Their best was the Plexiglass,

Speaker 1 the hockey boards out in the outfield.

Speaker 4 That was an insane stadium.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so awesome. Hubert Humphrey dome.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I I got a question for you. Trivia time.
Okay.

Speaker 4 How many free throws do you think Tyrese Halliburton has shot in the finals?

Speaker 1 Seven. Total.

Speaker 4 Total.

Speaker 1 Total.

Speaker 4 In the finals.

Speaker 4 Wait, wait, don't put it.

Speaker 1 Zach, Zach, Zach, don't pull it up.

Speaker 1 Oh, Zach got hot on the Google.

Speaker 4 All right, so you say six.

Speaker 1 Eight. Wait, price rate rules?

Speaker 1 I don't give a fuck either way. Eight.

Speaker 4 Eight, seven,

Speaker 4 zero. Oh, shit.
He's shot zero.

Speaker 4 Six. Zero free throws in the NBA Finals.
That's crazy. That is pretty crazy, isn't it?

Speaker 1 I feel like I've

Speaker 1 memory-hold him shooting free throws.

Speaker 4 With all the talk about whether or not he's a superstar, that would actually go a long way towards him becoming a superstar.

Speaker 4 Is if there's moments in the game where it stops and everybody just watches him shoot the basketball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he, he, game two, he was not very aggressive, but that is crazy. In the, in, in game one and game three, he has not shot a free throw.
He's so good. He's so good.
And he,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 good trivia, by the way. Thank you.
Really good trivia.

Speaker 4 Get ready for the dozen.

Speaker 1 Great trivia.

Speaker 1 I think, though, we kind of buried the lead here. I was wondering,

Speaker 1 you know, we could talk about the Pacers. Incredible run.
We can talk about the Pacers being two wins away from the NBA Finals. What a game three.

Speaker 1 By the way, Chet Holmgren, get your weight up, bro.

Speaker 4 Get your weight. That's one guy that I think Perk could actually take him under his wing.
Yeah. And be like, I need to help you, young man.

Speaker 1 He, that

Speaker 1 box score, if you box score watch, you're like, oh, Chet had 20 and 10 or 20 and 9, whatever it was. And we're going to talk about this with Blake Griffin in a minute.

Speaker 1 But that sequence at the end of the game, when he got blocked by Miles Turner and then got blocked by four guys, he just looks... He looks a little over his head.

Speaker 1 He'll bounce back. Maybe he'll bounce back.
I don't know, but he looks a little bit over his head.

Speaker 4 He's going up against a 10-year vet yeah that knows how to put it that's playing booty ball out of him yeah but so what i was going to say is uh

Speaker 1 we we missed the two most important conversations about these nba finals um

Speaker 1 the first is

Speaker 1 what must lebron and luka do to win an nba title i saw that this morning yeah it's a good question that was uh one of the lead stories on get up

Speaker 4 so so what let's start out with LeBron. Okay.
What does LeBron need to do to win an NBA title?

Speaker 1 Get five years younger.

Speaker 4 I think he needs to have Luca lose some weight. That too.
And what does Luca need to do?

Speaker 1 Get LeBron five years younger. Yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah. All right, so I think that's the formula right there.

Speaker 1 Okay, and then the other story, which I would say is more important on

Speaker 1 ESPN this morning was Stephen A. Smith picking a fight with Tyrese Halliburton because we hadn't figured out how Stephen A.
Smith was going to make these NBA finals about him.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halliburton basically said in a press conference, not naming any names, he was just like, I don't care what everyone says about me. We're two wins away from the finals.

Speaker 1 Like, that's our from winning the championship. That's all I care about.
Stephen A. Smith then called him out and said, has he read the news? I'm going to be here for a while.

Speaker 1 And players far more accomplished and far more superior have made their efforts trying to call me out. How has that worked out?

Speaker 4 How has it worked out?

Speaker 1 I think Kevin Durant's made a lot of money.

Speaker 4 Did it work out for LeBron?

Speaker 1 I think LeBron's made a lot of money in LeBron.

Speaker 4 It worked out for LeBron, too. Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's a fair point by Stephen A. Smith.
I particularly enjoy the fact that it was kind of sandwiched. This segment was sandwiched in between another segment where he talked about Kevin Durant online,

Speaker 4 saying people need to stop insulting Kevin Durant, stop making it personal, stop coming at him. He's a great basketball player.
We should be celebrating his greatness. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And had zero self-awareness to the fact that he literally just did that to Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Pretty much.

Speaker 1 Those segments live independent of each other. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's a different. It's like

Speaker 4 episodes of The Simpsons.

Speaker 1 You tune in next week and it's like, okay, whatever happened in the previous, the nuclear power plant didn't actually melt down seven days ago yeah he's he's the wife in severance going into different rooms yeah just every single room has a different stephen a smith take that is contradictory to the one that he just made yep uh yeah that was uh quite a quite a choice by espn we also had uh uh Adam Silver gaslighting us about the logos, which he was like, they haven't been on the court for a while.

Speaker 1 Well, the NBA,

Speaker 4 I know one thing about the NBA in the front office there, they do not, the league office does not like to make crazy court designs. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Ever. Ever.
Because it's slippery.

Speaker 4 Can't do it. You can't do it.
So you can't put the trophy on. You can't put the NBA Finals logo on the actual court because somebody might slip on it.

Speaker 4 And that's why nothing ever changes on an NBA court. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he just,

Speaker 1 again,

Speaker 1 a couple years ago, they were putting it on the TV broadcast, which that's what we were talking about.

Speaker 1 I would like it on the court, but I understand if you want to pretend it's player safety, okay, fine. But at least put it on the TV broadcast.

Speaker 1 Then now it's just on, and I don't know if you guys knew this, but YouTube TV is presenting.

Speaker 4 I did see that.

Speaker 1 It's very apparent.

Speaker 4 I don't mind the script logo.

Speaker 4 I think it's a fine concept. I like the script.
But the more Adam Silver talks about it, the more he gives us power. Oh, yeah.
So we're in the owner right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Can't wait to see you back on PMT when we're going to pitch you all of our ideas.

Speaker 4 He's simping for us when he goes on TV and he's like, Yeah, okay, I want to do another 20 minutes about the logo on the court. Yeah.
Yeah. We, you're talking to the internet right now, Adam.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we, this side of the room, believes in the Pacers.

Speaker 1 Henry Lockwood. Yes.

Speaker 1 You, now, PFT and I, again, we're not, I'm not claiming that I am

Speaker 1 saying that I, I thought the Pacers were going to win this series. Cannot claim that.
I think my official pick was Thunder and Six.

Speaker 1 But PFT and I did say that we both said the Pacers are going to win one of these home games on Monday's show. You

Speaker 1 like, it is over.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I dug myself in a hole. I'm staying there, but

Speaker 10 after last night, and as these games go, the pressure is going to keep mounting on the Thunder.

Speaker 10 And we might get into a situation, you know, Thunder fans block your ears where in five, ten years, they're showing

Speaker 10 Chet Holmgren Shea on different teams and being like, wow, could you believe this team made the finals and didn't win? That's mean.

Speaker 4 That's very mean in what you're doing right now.

Speaker 1 This is just, you're just going.

Speaker 1 Very triggering for Thunder fans specifically.

Speaker 1 This is it.

Speaker 7 It's kind of like the Knicks.

Speaker 10 It's like, you're never going to have a better shot than this year. You don't think so?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 They're going to have a much better shot.

Speaker 10 Not if they don't win this one.

Speaker 4 You think that this is a Portal series for them?

Speaker 1 Yeah. What if they trade...

Speaker 4 If they lose this, it's a sliding doors moment. Your entire future will be miserable.

Speaker 10 That's what it's starting to feel like.

Speaker 4 What if you win this series, then you're going to win four?

Speaker 1 Something like that. What if they trade Chet and a bunch of picks for Giannis?

Speaker 1 That would seem like a pretty good team.

Speaker 10 It would seem like it. You never know.
It's hard to get to the finals. It's hard to get back.

Speaker 4 What if they lose this series? Injuries happen. What if they lose this series and then they hit up the New York Knicks and say, hey, do you want to talk to Dagno?

Speaker 4 And then they hire Tibbs.

Speaker 1 That'd probably be bad for them, too.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 10 The Thunder need to win this series. I still think they're going to, I guess, in six now, but.

Speaker 8 Why not seven?

Speaker 1 Oh, because the Valkyrie?

Speaker 10 The Valkyrie, and I just think.

Speaker 1 Well, no, Kalen Clark is going going to be there for game four.

Speaker 10 So then I guess it's going to have to be seven, which is bad. That's bad for the Thunder.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 If it goes seven, that's bad for the Thunder.

Speaker 1 Does it not feel like the Pacers just play a looser, more fearless style of basketball and the Thunder

Speaker 1 just a little tight? It's a little tight.

Speaker 10 Also, the not shooting threes, I think, is coming back to bite him, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was like no threes in the entire game. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 10 When you get down in these games, it's like if you're not a three-point shooting team, it's harder to come back.

Speaker 1 Lou Dort did start four for four and was like

Speaker 1 his three balls touched the Earth's crust. I mean, the moon's crust.

Speaker 4 It was a great, great first quarter from Lou Dort.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'll say in,

Speaker 1 if you're a Thunder fan freaking out,

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 this could, you could say this is going exactly like the Nuggets series, which it actually is.

Speaker 1 They lost game one at home against the Nuggets in a ridiculous, insane way to lose a game where they were up all game and then they blew it at the end. They killed the Nuggets game two,

Speaker 1 went to Denver for game three,

Speaker 1 lost that game in overtime, I think it was, and then they won the next two and won in seven. So

Speaker 1 there at least is, this has had, they've been down 2-1 in these playoffs.

Speaker 4 But must win.

Speaker 1 Must win, but they've been down 2-1 basically in the exact same way. Lose a game they should have won game one.
Blow out game two,

Speaker 1 lose game three.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would not panic if I was a Thunder fan. When When you watch the Pacers are playing winning basketball, they will make you panic because they do so much crazy shit.
Like the ball,

Speaker 4 was it the Spurs that used to have the rule? It's like

Speaker 4 you have to do something different with the ball within half a second. Like the

Speaker 4 Hoosiers, everybody touched the ball. That was the Hoosiers.
But the Spurs, I think, had a rule where it was like, you got to either dribble or pass the ball or shoot the ball within a half second.

Speaker 4 And that's how our offense is going to go.

Speaker 1 They're like the sun, seven seconds or less.

Speaker 4 Yeah, seven seconds. I think that's probably a pretty fair comparison, too.
But when the pacers are clicking, it's like it's dizzy to watch on television. It must be dizzying trying to figure out

Speaker 4 who's your man right now? Who are you currently guarding? Because you've just gone through like three screens and there's been three passes in that time span.

Speaker 4 And when they're clicking against you, it's just got to be overwhelming. So

Speaker 4 you just need a new game.

Speaker 4 You need a new 48.

Speaker 1 And that's wipe the slate clean. Yeah, and you're right.
Like, Rick Carlisle is such a good coach. And they do, like, you don't know also,

Speaker 1 you don't know like what they're going to be doing, but you also don't know who's going to step up.

Speaker 1 And the Thunder,

Speaker 1 like, they were throwing a lot of stuff at SGA, and it was frustrating the hell out of them, blitzing him up top, and kind of disrupting.

Speaker 1 Like, if you can disrupt SGA, you can have success against them. I feel like the Pacers' defense was great, too.
It was really great. I know that the Thunder.
SGA's got to play better for the Thunder.

Speaker 1 Like, that's just a fact. He has to play better.
He can't score three points in a fourth quarter, and he has to play better defense.

Speaker 4 The TJ game. TJ McConnell.
TJ McConnell game. That was, he was so fun to watch.
That was so great, too. He looks like a little, he had a little Cooper DeGene in him last night.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you notice that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did the story about his dad being a coach and coaching both he and his sister and coaching his sister not as hard as TJ and TJ getting upset. That was like, you could, you could.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could have put a gun to my head and be like, hey, TJ McConnell's dad's a coach and he has a sister. Explain how that went.
And I would have gotten it exactly right. Yep.

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Speaker 1 So one other INBA thing before we talk a little NFL.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 How's the coaching search going, buddy?

Speaker 3 They're casting a wide net.

Speaker 4 Not saying no to anybody.

Speaker 4 You know what the Knicks are doing? It's like the no bad ideas out in the open in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're the dude at the bar who's like, I have no problem being told no by a chick. Well, it's also.
I'm just going to keep peppering the whole board.

Speaker 4 It's also like 1.50 a.m.

Speaker 1 and they're doing that at the end of the day now.

Speaker 1 They're just hoping that someone says yes.

Speaker 4 They're hitting up their buddy's friends and being like, hey, how serious are you and this girl? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, is your, hey, what grade is your sister in again? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, Imei Adoka, Chris Finch, Jason Kidd, Quinn Snyder, Billy Donovan. That's a list of teams that the Knicks have reached out to.

Speaker 4 That's five.

Speaker 1 Five and been told no. Here's an idea.
I'm just going to throw this out there. There is one guy who the team can't say no because he doesn't coach for a team right now.

Speaker 4 An NBA coach?

Speaker 1 He's maybe teased that he would coach in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Who? Jay Wright. Oh.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say Cal Barry. No.

Speaker 1 Cal Barry did say he was like, it's an incredible job. Jay Wright doesn't have to be asked.
You don't have to ask Jay Wright

Speaker 1 some front office.

Speaker 1 You just have to ask Seth Davis.

Speaker 4 You just got to maybe call the Pope.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You got to see if Seth Davis is cool with him interviewing.
Jay Wright would be a home run on it. Oh, man.

Speaker 4 Do you think that the Bucs are going to proactively reach out and be like, hey, do you want to talk to our coach?

Speaker 1 I think they're they're going to try to hire. So it's

Speaker 1 Budenholzer, Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins, Michael Malone. What else? I mean, someone who, oh, Jerry, I think, Jerry O'Connell was saying that they should just rehire Tibbs.

Speaker 4 I think so. And just be like, fresh start.
And they can be like, we just did the Tibbs thing to you, Tibbs. Yeah, right.
Like, I just Tibbs you.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we just made you hungrier.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's not a bad idea at this point. And when they fired Tibbs, we reacted to it live on the show.

Speaker 4 and i think i said this is a move that the new york knicks did because it seems they have a plan for who they want to hire i've never been wronger on a take in my entire life because it did feel that way where it's like you don't fire tibbs unless you know what you're going to do next yeah I was so wrong.

Speaker 1 So wrong. I was so wrong about that take.
To your defense, you didn't, at that time, if we were working on just the information we had, we didn't know that James Dolan had gotten involved again.

Speaker 4 Yes, there was a material change.

Speaker 1 That was a big material change. We thought James Dolan was still doing his band and doing other shit.
He had gotten back involved. That's when you know there is no plan.

Speaker 4 If you're a New York Knicks fan, the best thing you can possibly do is gaslight James Dolan into thinking that his band is awesome and going to every performance, have him sell out everywhere he goes.

Speaker 4 Just use as much of his time as possible playing kazoo in his band and staying away from the team. Make him think that he's a rock star.

Speaker 8 Make him have to build another sphere.

Speaker 4 Yeah, where he performs, he has a residency in his own sphere.

Speaker 1 A James Dolan sphere.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and don't tell him that it's you've created a prison. I guess he has created his own prison for himself to perform his music in.
Right. But de facto, that's what it would be.

Speaker 4 You're just keeping him away from MSG.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So, what are you going to do, memes?

Speaker 3 I'm not saying it.

Speaker 8 What are you going to say?

Speaker 1 You're not saying it? Now you have to say that.

Speaker 3 There's a theory that they're crossing all these names off. They're going to ask everybody, get denied, and then they're going to go back with a Rick Brunson being the coach.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. You can't do that.

Speaker 1 I would not.

Speaker 3 I do think that's DEF CON.

Speaker 1 You cannot do that. You can't.
But

Speaker 1 that's the theory I saw out there. So, memes,

Speaker 4 what is the upside for these teams if they hit up the Rockets and they're like, hey, we'd like to interview Yme Udoka for the team?

Speaker 4 Like, I know there's maybe some sort of draft compensation that could happen, but

Speaker 4 if you were happy with your coach, like all these teams seem to be, why would you expect them to say, okay,

Speaker 3 uh, because it gives those coaches a better opportunity to go win a championship.

Speaker 1 Uh, with the Rockets are pretty good this year.

Speaker 4 So, if I, if I run the Rockets, if I'm the owner of the Rockets, and I get a call from the Knicks and they say, we'd like to interview your head coach, I'm thinking to myself, it's the right thing to do for Emei Udoka to let him pursue his goals of a championship.

Speaker 4 So, I'm going to trade him to the Knicks.

Speaker 3 Well, not Emei or Chris Finch. Like, if you're Chris Finch, you wouldn't want to leave a 23-year-old 23-year-old superstar.

Speaker 1 Right. Or even Jason Kidd.

Speaker 9 You're about to get flagged.

Speaker 1 Or the fact that they just fired the guy who had the best team in Knicks' history in the last 25 years. And they're like, see a buddy.
That might also make you nervous to go take that job.

Speaker 1 That James Dolan is now involved and they kicked Tibbs to the door after literally the best year in 25 years.

Speaker 3 That would make you nervous, but some people say that he reached his ceiling. And then

Speaker 3 four out of the last five coaches that won an NBA final also got fired.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but if they're going to treat him like that,

Speaker 1 what's going to happen to me?

Speaker 3 But if other organizations are winning championships and them firing their coach, I think it's just coach life cycle is just short right now.

Speaker 1 It's true. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 I think that's a very fair counterpoint, but also you're probably looking at this and saying, James Dolan.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 So you're down for, so memes is... Shane, can you make the graphic? Memes wants Rick Brunson? No, no.
Put it out. Rick Brunson.

Speaker 1 I like that Max had to talk in your ear to get you to the point where you could say that out loud.

Speaker 5 Well, he said it to me earlier.

Speaker 11 I was like, there's no way they're hunting.

Speaker 1 He's like, that's the rumor. That's the rumor.
And I was like, you got to say it. You got to bring it up.

Speaker 4 Where do you get your rumors from, memes? Where's that? What part of the internet is that coming from?

Speaker 1 Or is it your brain?

Speaker 1 Other Knicks fans. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Ben Siller's been peddling in this rumor.

Speaker 3 No, no, just Nick's Twitter. Timmy C.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you loving this? Yeah. You loving this.

Speaker 7 This was their shot.

Speaker 1 What name would you have?

Speaker 3 I mean, the roster's coming back. It's not like the Celtics just put their entire team on the trade block.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 did that happen? Legion Hoops. Oh.
Did that.

Speaker 3 How do you set Tatum is up for trade?

Speaker 4 Per Legion Hoops.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 3 That was yesterday.

Speaker 1 That's pretty crazy, Hank.

Speaker 10 We knew that was coming.

Speaker 7 The whole team?

Speaker 10 Well, it's going to be a couple of them. You just put them on the block and then you're going to be a bad person.

Speaker 1 Who you trade? Do you think that was a way for Brad Stevens to not have Jalen Brown mad at him? Because really, it's like Jalen Brown, but they're like, hey, everyone's available.

Speaker 1 Like, don't worry, we'll trade anyone. But Jalen Brown.

Speaker 1 He's doing that.

Speaker 4 I have a question for you.

Speaker 10 Yes, PFT.

Speaker 4 What if the New York Knicks hired Brad Stevens?

Speaker 10 Brad Stevens is not going back.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, PFT, they got to at least make him say no.

Speaker 4 You have to.

Speaker 1 You got to make him say no.

Speaker 4 You got to make the phone call.

Speaker 1 Oh, Max is so happy that we're now, we flipped it.

Speaker 1 He's so happy that we're off jay right now on to brad stevens brad stevens is not going we're just trying to help the knicks we're trying to search for a name james don has to call brad stevens you have to have him say no yeah they're trading fair their entire teams on the trading block per memes

Speaker 4 so you think brad stevens like this might be a good time to get out maybe they call and they're like hey let's talk trade by the way you want to coach yeah and then he trades all all their good players to the Knicks and then he goes to the Knicks and coaches them.

Speaker 10 That would be crazy. That would be crazy.

Speaker 4 I heard it was happening on Legion Hoops.

Speaker 1 Legion Hoops.

Speaker 1 Do you guys want me to read a headline real quick? I wanted to read a headline for you before we do talk NFL. I just, remember we used to do this, read a headline?

Speaker 1 Demarcus Cousins is suspended for the remainder of the season after scratching his balls and making a heckler sniff his hands. Yep.

Speaker 1 I had a lead for you. We read a lead.

Speaker 4 Demarcus Cousins seemingly scratched his balls and made a fan sniff his hands during a serious altercation that led to suspension for the rest of the season from his basketball team.

Speaker 1 This is in Puerto Rico, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'd say that's

Speaker 4 fade on sight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, although it's Demarcus Cousins, so you probably can't do anything about it.

Speaker 4 The exception of DeMarcus Cousins. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 What? I mean, Little Teaser, the State Farm Barcelon Basketball League is currently airing. Yep.
That happens in one of the games.

Speaker 1 Yes, it does. Oh, I forgot.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And it is fade on site.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 It should be. It's bad.
Oh,

Speaker 1 wow.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That is a great teaser.

Speaker 1 So, what is because we had Demarcus Cousins playing in the tournament?

Speaker 7 What did the thing?

Speaker 5 That's not even the correct teaser.

Speaker 1 What happened in the Barstool?

Speaker 5 I won't say what happened in the Barstool, the Safe Arm tournament is way worse than the Demarcus Cousins.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 When is the next episode? June 16th. June 16th is game one?

Speaker 8 Yep.

Speaker 1 I'll just say AWS would like to watch game one. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Me versus Hank.

Speaker 4 It's going to be wild. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Wild. Game one.

Speaker 1 Wild. That was good teasers.
Thanks.

Speaker 4 I still think that DeMarcus Cousins is probably top 10 guy in the United States that I would not want to get into a fight with. I'd agree.

Speaker 10 Him and Zach Randolph, always like interchangeably scary.

Speaker 1 Just big booty dudes. Don't move so fast, but it's like they move with purpose.

Speaker 1 And that makes sense. And they're angry.
Yeah, they're angry. They're always angry.

Speaker 1 Okay, do we want to talk a little NFL?

Speaker 4 Yeah, let's talk some NFL.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to talk NFL. I had a couple things.
One was the Bengals are being pieces of shit again.

Speaker 4 So I've never heard of this since they implemented the new rookie wage contract stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're talking about Shamar Stewart, their first-round pick from Texas A ⁇ M, 17th pick in the draft.

Speaker 4 So he is no longer at OTAs right now. Correct.
He's left OTAs, no contract signed.

Speaker 4 And he left because they're trying to put a clause in the contract that if he gets hurt in the preseason, his money becomes not guaranteed anymore.

Speaker 1 I think it's a total void of, so it's it's it's uh any it's hurt, or if he gets like you know, any type of uh

Speaker 1 league penalty, you know, like if he gets suspended for anything, and it's not just the year that it happens, it's the entire contract.

Speaker 4 And the Bengals are doing this for the is this the first time it's ever happened?

Speaker 1 It's, I don't know if it's the first time ever happened.

Speaker 1 I know that I was reading about it, no other rookie in this year's draft had the clause, and then uh, the last five Bengals first-round picks did not have this clause.

Speaker 1 So it is, it's essentially the first time they're ever doing it.

Speaker 4 So the owner of the Bengals is like, listen, we paid money to all the wide receivers that you wanted, Joe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Now we have to cut back in other places.

Speaker 1 But the funniest part about all this is they drafted, partially, they drafted Shamar Stewart to be a Trey Hendrickson replacement. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And when they drafted Shamar Stewart, they're like, this will put pressure on Trey Hendrickson to hopefully sign because we have another guy on the defensive line, and now they have neither of them.

Speaker 4 I would say that Shamar Stewart probably has all the leverage in this situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because so he can literally hold out and just be drafted again next year.

Speaker 4 I don't think that's.

Speaker 1 I was reading about it. I'm pretty sure you could just go back and read.

Speaker 4 Florio's got the answer to this.

Speaker 1 Florio definitely has the answer. Unless I read something that was just fan fiction, which I could have.
Absolutely. 100%.

Speaker 1 Yes, according to the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, Shamar Stewart, the Bengals' first-round first-round pick in the 2025 draft, could re-enter the 2026 NFL draft if he remains unsigned and the Bengals don't sign him by the deadline.

Speaker 4 But I thought that the team that drafted you would have rights over you for a little bit longer than that.

Speaker 1 Let's find another story instead of just AI.

Speaker 4 That's just AI, yeah.

Speaker 8 Let's find a story.

Speaker 1 Florio probably wrote about it.

Speaker 4 Zach, your controls.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, I mean, this is Sports Illustrated saying it.

Speaker 4 Was this article written by AI?

Speaker 1 It could have been.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait, wait. Go back to that because he referenced Florio.
AI, AI Sports Illustrated reference Florio.

Speaker 4 Okay, so now click on the Florio because we know that he's a human being as far as we know.

Speaker 1 You know what? Let's just.

Speaker 4 Yeah, call him. Call him.
This is above our pay grade.

Speaker 10 This is.

Speaker 1 This is.

Speaker 1 I did see it from more than one person. Phone calls are back.

Speaker 4 AI is going to drive us to having person-to-person interaction. Person-to-Florio interaction.

Speaker 1 My take about AI is you can't trust anything anymore, so you just have to be, hey,

Speaker 1 hey

Speaker 1 hey you're on you're on part of my take live right now we don't trust AI anymore we don't trust the internet if Shamar Stewart does not sign with the Bengals can he re-enter next year's draft

Speaker 1 okay love it and any any team can get him and any team can draft him except the Bengals oh except the bengals

Speaker 1 I guess they that would make like the that would be funny if the Bengals

Speaker 1 try again I can see the bengals try again wait are you on the treadmill or something I'm riding my bike bike.

Speaker 1 What's your calorie count right now? Burned.

Speaker 14 I just started. I just started.
I'm at 3.7 miles, 8.5 minutes.

Speaker 1 Calories.

Speaker 1 Calories.

Speaker 1 Who's your 88 calories?

Speaker 1 Who's your Peloton instructor?

Speaker 14 I know. I play Madden.

Speaker 1 I love it. That's such a football guy.
All right, what's the score in the game?

Speaker 14 I'm doing challenges to try to make my team better.

Speaker 1 and you're going to be 60 when

Speaker 14 i'm already 60.

Speaker 1 oh you just turned 60.

Speaker 1 thanks for thanks for texting me happy birthday happy birthday mike

Speaker 4 hey mike uh happy internet father's day coming up on sunday mike before we start talking about debo do you know is debo fat

Speaker 1 is debo fat yeah yeah

Speaker 1 i don't know Okay, good answer. That was a good answer.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
Keep at the Peloton. That's Mike's stud for you.

Speaker 1 Thanks, guys. All right.
See you bye.

Speaker 1 Huge. Huge.
Enormous. All right.

Speaker 1 We just have to call him all the time now because AI.

Speaker 4 So I would say that Shamar Stewart. But I did see it.

Speaker 1 You were right.

Speaker 4 You were right. Yeah.
Shamar Stewart has all the cards.

Speaker 1 All the cards. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He can just train for a year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he obviously that

Speaker 1 he probably wouldn't be drafted at 17.

Speaker 4 Maybe not.

Speaker 1 If he doesn't play football for a year, and he obviously would have a full year of not playing football and not getting closer to his second contract.

Speaker 1 So, like, that part, he doesn't have all the cards.

Speaker 4 He could train to become a flag football athlete and play in the Olympics next year

Speaker 1 or whatever it is. I think the Bengals will ultimately relent, and we side with Shamar Stewart in this.

Speaker 8 It seems like the Bengals are trying to be shitty.

Speaker 4 I think that the Bengals, they paid a lot of money to a lot of players this offseason, and now Mike Brown is like stressing out. And he's like, we got to start cutting corners wherever we can.

Speaker 1 We got to make sure that if anything happens, we don't don't have to pay any money yes yeah he's allergic to paying yeah uh you mentioned something on that call with florio yeah about debo i did i did that well what there was a you guys you guys teased it before we started recording the episode i don't remember doing that yeah you did you did you said debo's fat i actually have never said he's fat i said i saw a video of him i you i i was met with pft earlier and he walked on the room and said do you think debo's fat yeah the only person i think who has said debo is fat is max which was usually an indication that you think he's fat i don't think i actually don't know because i I don't spend my time staring at Debo's ass like you guys do.

Speaker 1 I just said I saw a video of Debo.

Speaker 4 Yep, I did too.

Speaker 4 It's called an installation.

Speaker 4 Who do you trust more when it comes to breaking down NFL news?

Speaker 1 At ML Football or Tough Climate or Greg Kittle? Yeah. Yeah.
Listen,

Speaker 1 I don't know if he's fat or not. Max?

Speaker 5 I never said specifically that he was fat. I just referred to him as fat Debo.

Speaker 1 That's true. You're right.
He's fat. Technically, you didn't say he was fat.
You just said, you've got fat Debo.

Speaker 4 And we're pulling up the Hindustan Times now.

Speaker 1 I also.

Speaker 1 I jamed up here.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Stay on the Hindustan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We want to see it.
Good. The Hindustan Times.
Okay. Debo.

Speaker 5 The other receiver, he's back, right?

Speaker 4 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 Yeah, first reported here. Well, guess what he's doing? He's staying in shape on his own.

Speaker 4 Good. You think he's getting fat too, memes?

Speaker 10 He's seeing Debo and he's like, I got to keep up by getting fat.

Speaker 4 No, here's the thing. Debo is not fat.
He's in great shape, and that was just an installation route that he was running. I also don't think he was that slow.

Speaker 4 I think that was some monkey business with the camera angle. I think they did him dirty with the cameras on that one.

Speaker 4 And then I saw the commanders made sure to put out videos of him today looking fast and svelp. And you're going to get, you know what?

Speaker 4 Even if you get, I hope that Debo's fat, and I hope that he's still awesome. Because fat Debo running through everybody would be even better than skinny Debo.
That's facts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fat is power when it wins.

Speaker 4 However he feels most comfortable in his body, that's what I'm comfortable with.

Speaker 1 That's good. PFT, because I didn't want to have our NFL talk be

Speaker 1 slanted just to talk about what Max called fat Debo. I also wanted to share with you, I saw a

Speaker 1 2025 QB countdown, top 10 QBs.

Speaker 8 Okay. You want me to share it with you?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay.
Where'd you see it?

Speaker 1 This is from Chris Simps. Okay.
Number one, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 8 Okay. Interesting choice.
All right, yeah.

Speaker 1 But can't really

Speaker 1 use

Speaker 4 the conversation the whole time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Number two, Josh Allen. Okay.
Number three, Joe Burrow. Okay.
Number four, Patrick Mahomes. Okay.

Speaker 1 Number five, Jaden Daniels. Okay.

Speaker 1 Number six, Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 Number seven, C.J.

Speaker 3 Stroud.

Speaker 1 Number eight, Justin Herbert. Number nine, Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 And number 10, Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 4 I like that list. I've always said that he's got great, great info when it comes to ranking quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 Listen, that's it pretty much.

Speaker 1 Oh, we put him under the category, the truth hurts.

Speaker 4 That's exactly. Oh, the truth.
That's not good. That's bad.
That's bad for number 10.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 Pocket Rockets is Justin Herbert and Baker Mayfield. Okay.

Speaker 4 Surgicality. Is that a word? Yeah.
Surgicality?

Speaker 8 It's like strategery.

Speaker 4 Surgicality. I thought that was a singer from System of Down.

Speaker 1 Oh, and the Core 4.

Speaker 8 Max, would you like to comment on that?

Speaker 5 I mean, Chris Sims is literally the dumbest guy in NFL news or NFL analyst. So like him being this wrong on a take is actually a good thing for Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 4 I think he's pretty good when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 He's had some high make. He's had some like good predictions.
Yeah. Really good.
No, he has. I think he pretty, I'm pretty sure he had Josh Allen top of that draft.

Speaker 4 I don't know what else. Big blind spot for Blake Bortles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that one he was wrong about.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 he's had some hits. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Listen, I think that that's a great top 10 list right there. Did you see the guy that played his newborn son 54 minutes of Jaden Daniels highlights? I did.
I did.

Speaker 4 It makes me want to have a kid just so that I can play Jayden Danielson. Another one? Another one.
Chris needs a little brother or sister.

Speaker 1 Chris can play it for him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is playing newborn? Oh, he's just finding us the clip we just talked about.

Speaker 8 Zach is good on the keys.

Speaker 4 I've watched this same video, the one that the baby watched. I've seen this video three times this offseason in its entirety.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 What happened there?

Speaker 9 That was my bad. It was the video.
I didn't think the audio would go through. That's totally my fault.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Do you think Debo's fat?

Speaker 1 No, I'd like to see more angles.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to judge someone off of one angle. I'd like to see more angles.
Bad angles can happen.

Speaker 4 People are clip farming off Debo at like the sideways slash back angle that you see some of the stomach in the front. You see the big ass in the back.

Speaker 4 He's not fat.

Speaker 1 Can I say there might be an adjective that he might be that's worse?

Speaker 4 What's that adjective?

Speaker 1 He could be slow.

Speaker 4 Hey, Max,

Speaker 4 pull up your Twitter right now. Pull up your DMs.
My DMs? Yeah, I sent you a DM in case Big Cat said something mean about Debo.

Speaker 1 I just was asking.

Speaker 4 Because I didn't know if this was real or not.

Speaker 8 I was asking if he was slow.

Speaker 4 I didn't know if this was real, but is this the cover of Madden?

Speaker 1 Debo? No.

Speaker 1 Is that the cover of Madden? That is not the cover of Madden.

Speaker 1 I think it is. You know, that's not the Madden.

Speaker 4 It's got the Madden logo on it.

Speaker 7 That's the picture.

Speaker 4 That's right before the Hail Mary against.

Speaker 1 See, it's actually on the cover of Madden.

Speaker 4 This says NFLPA and rated E E for everyone. It does look like it.
I thought this was the cover of

Speaker 1 Madden. It does look like it.
But that is not. Before the Hail Mary.

Speaker 4 Debo's not slow. That was an installation.

Speaker 1 I asked if he was slow.

Speaker 4 They were installing his route.

Speaker 1 He could be.

Speaker 5 Also, everyone who's going to just send screenshots of how fat I am, all the Commanders fans,

Speaker 5 just say no. I know that I am like 10 times as fat as Debo Samuel.

Speaker 4 We got a little fat Debo here.

Speaker 5 Just making sure I put that out there.

Speaker 10 It's more like two. Come on.

Speaker 1 Stay out of this, Hank. This is now a three-way battle of the Mexican standoff.
This is good. Just a little sparring, getting us ready for football.
It's fun.

Speaker 5 Fat Debo rolls off the tongue. Fat Debo.
Listen,

Speaker 1 you have to. I agree.

Speaker 1 It's PFT. I'm going to defend you here.
Fat Debo sounds a lot funnier than Slow Debo.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it does. And what I'm saying is if he is fat, in fact, if he's big and he's still awesome, that's the best case scenario.

Speaker 1 Correct. That's what I'm rooting for.

Speaker 1 When you win, fat equals power. Yeah.

Speaker 4 If he's scoring touchdowns and running people over and he's fat and his belly's poking out of his shirt, and he's like, he goes to the sidelines and he's got like mayonnaise on the side of his chin, like that's awesome.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 5 And I'm fatter. I'm much fatter.

Speaker 7 I'm very fat.

Speaker 1 Way, way fatter.

Speaker 4 Way faster.

Speaker 1 Debo.

Speaker 7 What? What? I said, but maybe faster.

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 1 Debo? Maybe.

Speaker 4 Debo's not fat, man. He's not fat.

Speaker 5 Agreed. Except for fat.

Speaker 1 Fat Debo does sound funny.

Speaker 1 This did all start from two days ago when Max just out of nowhere goes. You got fat Debo.

Speaker 5 Well, Well, we were talking about Terry McLaurin of whether you're going to have Terry McLaurin. I was like, at least you got Fat Debo.

Speaker 1 Fat Debo. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to our interviews.
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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

Speaker 1 very special guest. One of our best friends.
Three, four-time, three-time Blake of the Year? Four-time Blake of the Year.

Speaker 1 Takeies are coming up in about a month, but we want to talk some ball with our guy, Blake Griffin.

Speaker 1 First of all, Blake, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 How's life? We miss you.

Speaker 1 Just in general, we miss you.

Speaker 14 I miss you guys too, man. It's been a while.
I'm good. You know, just kind of hanging.

Speaker 14 Enjoying retired life.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We bought a football team together.

Speaker 14 That's right. We bought a football team in Mexico.
We're five and one, by the way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're damn right we are. Fuck yes.

Speaker 14 We've got an

Speaker 14 exciting team

Speaker 14 and things are looking up. Lovely.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It starts at the top with ownership.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And so you have to set the tone. We're an accountability organization and the players are responding.
So credit to us. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Anything you guys want to say of the team?

Speaker 1 Vamos.

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 good job team.

Speaker 1 When we finally do sign the paperwork, actually owning it, and it's not just a press announcement, then

Speaker 1 everyone's job is up for grabs. Doggy dog.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 I'm a gladiator style. After the season's over, we throw even the equipment manager.
Get in there. Yeah.
Oklahoma drill, everybody.

Speaker 4 Yeah, every spot is up for grabs. I'm kind of a hands-off owner.
I put my football guys in position to do football work and I let them cook.

Speaker 4 And I think they're doing a great job. You know, like I've seen a lot of shitty owners over the course of my career as a sports fan.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't know if you've ever played for any shitty owners, but hypothetically, if you had,

Speaker 4 would you have learned a lesson from that owner in terms of how you're going to translate that to football?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I think one lesson that I, if I had played for a bad owner, one lesson I probably would have learned was like, always know if someone's recording you. Just because as an owner, you don't know.

Speaker 14 You know, there's, there's, in this day and age, there could be people can record on anything. Yeah.
You know, so

Speaker 14 I don't know. It just seems like something an owner should keep in mind.
And also, maybe don't, maybe, like, I guess secondarily, don't be, don't say anything racist.

Speaker 4 Yeah, those are, those are good points. Also, if you're doing a sworn deposition and somebody asks you about your handwriting, don't talk about getting your dick sucked.

Speaker 14 Well, are you in a limo?

Speaker 4 It does make me feel good when she kisses on me.

Speaker 1 It's kind of the loophole when you're in a limo, it's like being over international law or something. That's true.
That's right.

Speaker 4 So, what are you up to these days? I know that I read like an interview, I think it was in USA Today or something, where you're talking about what you have planned for this upcoming year.

Speaker 4 Um, you want to share that with our audience?

Speaker 4 Where can they find Blake Griffin?

Speaker 14 Uh, you can find me on uh uh Amazon Prime, Prime Video, uh,

Speaker 14 in on the NBA. Uh, we will have

Speaker 14 uh, we'll start out Friday nights, uh, we'll have some Thursday night games after Thursday night football ends. We'll have some Saturday games.

Speaker 14 Not sure if I'm supposed to give out that information, but I think I can.

Speaker 1 I read it, I read it online, so I was gonna say it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 and who are you gonna be with?

Speaker 14 Uh, Dirk Newinsky,

Speaker 14 okay, uh, Yodonis Haslam, Taylor Rooks is our host, Steve Nash will be in and out. He'll be doing some of both.

Speaker 14 Candice Parker.

Speaker 14 We got a good group. Got a really good group.
Kyle Lowry is going to be our, actually, that one, that one, I don't know if that one got announced. Damn it.

Speaker 4 I didn't read his name, but exclusive to part of my take, Kyle Lowry is attached to it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, well, you know, he's like player correspondent, maybe, maybe in some capacity. I don't know.
We've been talking about it.

Speaker 14 I don't think we, I don't think, just like you guys haven't signed the actual ownership paperwork. I don't know if he's actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
Are you going to be, are you the Charles Barkley of this crew?

Speaker 14 Yeah, probably like

Speaker 14 very little analysis and like a lot of like, a lot of just

Speaker 14 digs at players. I'm just going to be making fun of everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's actually, so you retired, what, two years ago? Do you think that's enough time

Speaker 1 to be like back in my day? Like, listen, we played in the real NBA. Like, this is bullshit now.

Speaker 14 Yeah, absolutely. And every year I'll get my career will be a little bit better.
Like, sure, this first year I'll be humble and be like, you know,

Speaker 14 this guy's really good. I played against him.
By year five, I will be

Speaker 14 one of the greatest players of all time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
You could do that. I mean, that was, that happened with Kendrick Perkins when he said he would shut down Jokic.
And then they found clips of like

Speaker 1 baby Jokic, like 19 years old, just dominating him. So just maybe you, maybe you float it by us first and we'll try to find it.

Speaker 1 We'll have our research team be like, can we find any clips of like Jokic like fucking Blake up? And then we're like, no, you know what? No clips exist. Go for it.

Speaker 14 I think the only way that Kendrick, I mean, Kendrick Perkins was a Jokic stopper was like they saw him on the schedule and they're like, oh,

Speaker 14 you don't need to play tonight. Kendrick is starting to do it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm looking forward to the old head Blake Griffin on the set. Unk, can we call you Unk Griffin?

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah, call me Uncle OG. No, I guess you bounced his kind of OG.
Yeah, just call me Uncle Dirk is vine Richtenstein or something, I think. Is that in the literal translation?

Speaker 4 I don't speak German, but that sounds

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 14 I'm going to look it up and I'm only going to refer to him as Uncle in German.

Speaker 4 Do you want to do some practice for some hot takes? So, like, we can we can just do like a quick role play. Uh, so imagine that this last season happened next season, and the news comes through.

Speaker 4 Luca has been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, Luca Donchich.

Speaker 4 What's your take?

Speaker 14 You know what?

Speaker 14 My take is, I think that there was a deal done under the table, and I think Dallas knew that they were going to get the number one pick because the lottery's rigged, and we all know that.

Speaker 14 And I think that, you know, in the grand scheme of things, Cooper Flag has a chance to be an unbelievable player, and you sort of have to make that deal. You know, you shake hands and you say,

Speaker 14 Thank you, Luca.

Speaker 14 But with the emergence of Cooper Flag,

Speaker 14 we're all good here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's good. That's That's a good hot take.
All right, here's another test.

Speaker 14 And that one, actually, can I just give credit? That one was giving credit to Colin Cowherd when he said, hey, LeBron, we're good.

Speaker 1 So he's an inspiration.

Speaker 14 Skip, you know, some of these, some of the great stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right. Here's another one I'll throw at you.

Speaker 1 We're in a debate. I think Patrick Beverly is a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 14 I actually, I actually... do not disagree with that at all.

Speaker 1 You look at the scope of work.

Speaker 14 I wasn't able to follow the games in Europe early on.

Speaker 14 And then I did see part of his career in the NBA. Also, just the way he took players under his wing.
You know, it matters how you treat the younger guys. And selflessly, like he,

Speaker 14 you know, when he fired that ball at that lady's head in Indiana and then got it back and did it again, he was saying, you know what, guys, I'm going to remove myself from the league.

Speaker 14 So now these young guys have a chance to play. And that is

Speaker 14 a Hall of Fame career, if I know of one.

Speaker 1 Also, in defense of our guy, Pat Bev, I don't think he played with any Hall of Famers, like guys that are in the Hall of Fame, yeah, or no, like guys who might be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 So, oh, James Harden, Giannis. No, I don't think those guys are Hall of Famers.
I think Giannis is channeling.

Speaker 4 No, I know Pat Bev's chances at like a 54 to 56 percent of making the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that seems fair.

Speaker 14 And by the way, by the time he's done with this season of his podcast, he could be 99.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's true.
Did you talk to Pat at all after that?

Speaker 1 I feel like Pat. I did not.
That was set. Come on, Pat.
That was like,

Speaker 1 maybe Pat doesn't know that you're our guy, but I didn't appreciate that from Pat.

Speaker 14 You know what? It's okay. I mean, you got it.

Speaker 14 I mean, you guys don't really have to do this, but the podcast business, you ain't got to give these hard takes. Paul George is a really good player.

Speaker 14 He kind of came at both of us there.

Speaker 14 I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 14 Pat's obviously a legend of the game, and he's obviously grown the game and made it what it is today. And, you know, I respect his opinion.
I actually, I think I agree with him.

Speaker 14 I think he probably gets the nod over myself.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I have you in the Hall of Fame, Blake.

Speaker 4 That might just be me.

Speaker 1 Oh, can we get basketball reference updated to have it be four-time Blake of the Year?

Speaker 1 They shouldn't perfectly.

Speaker 4 Do they have a fun nickname for you, or is that just pro football reference that has nicknames that no other website ever has even thought of?

Speaker 14 No, I don't think I've heard. No,

Speaker 14 there's nicknames on basketball reference. I just don't know what mine is, to be honest.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll tell you. We got him here.
I love those nicknames. Brother Taylor Griffin.

Speaker 1 That's it. Oh, no.
I don't see.

Speaker 4 That's it.

Speaker 4 No nicknames.

Speaker 1 Do you have anything?

Speaker 14 Other guys do.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you have a nickname?

Speaker 14 I don't really. People would call me just Griff BG.

Speaker 14 This is one of the Clippers announcers one time. I think he was trying to get something going, and I had this dunk, and he goes, oh, the flying lion.

Speaker 1 He's just,

Speaker 14 for some reason, that one didn't pick up.

Speaker 1 I'm looking right now at a Reddit thread.

Speaker 1 I've heard him called Blake the Snake.

Speaker 1 And then that guy said he's also going to do a grassroots nickname for Blake Gryffindor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. You Harry Potter guy? That one didn't really stick.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, that one didn't really stick either.

Speaker 1 Blake Superior. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 14 Easy Blake Oven was an early one that didn't catch on either.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, Flop Griffin? Oh, that was good. All right, never mind.
God damn.

Speaker 16 Are you just reading your tweets?

Speaker 8 No, here.

Speaker 1 Oh, someone emptied the clip. Quake Griffin, Earthquake Blake.
That was stupid. Wake and Blake.
Must-see BG. This guy sucks at nicknames.
Optima Prime, Oklahoma Hammer, Blake and Eggs.

Speaker 1 That one guy on the Clipper who dunks a lot.

Speaker 1 Sky High, Dunkadelic.

Speaker 1 and that was it. I mean, like,

Speaker 14 we've heard them all at this point.

Speaker 14 I actually kind of like Blake and Eggs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I kind of like Blake and Eggs, and I kind of like Earthquake Blake because that's just stupid.

Speaker 14 Yeah, crazy. Earthquake Blake.

Speaker 4 Just Blake of the Year. Have basketball reference put Blake of the Year on there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Four-time Blake of the Year.

Speaker 4 Four-time.

Speaker 1 Talking about this actual NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 Can the Pacers win this thing? It's crazy. I think I'm officially now like Pacers can and maybe will win this thing because I've doubted them.

Speaker 1 I didn't doubt them going into the final or like leading up to the finals. I loved them in the Eastern Conference.
I definitely doubted them against the Thunder. I thought the Thunder were better.

Speaker 1 I thought the Thunder, the way they've beaten teams, like they're just a superior team. But after game three, it's like maybe all of the guys on the Pacers, they don't feel the pressure.

Speaker 1 They all contribute. And they have so many options that it feels like the Thunder do not have that.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 so I doubted them as well. I doubted them in the Cleveland series.

Speaker 14 I doubted them in the, I thought the Pacers could beat the Knicks, but I thought the Knicks were going to beat them.

Speaker 14 Also, the Pacers have not lost

Speaker 14 game one until Thunder. They hadn't lost game one or two all of playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 They were just running through the tape. And two of those series were on the road.
They went to Cleveland, one, two. They went to New York, one, two.
They went to Oklahoma City one game one.

Speaker 14 Like they're playing with so much joy. Rick Carlisle is a genius.

Speaker 14 And then also you just, you're just watching like a team who like everybody just like accepts their role, not because it was like, I mean, maybe it was, but not because Rick Carlisle was like, hey, you can only do this and you can only do this.

Speaker 14 They don't play like that. They play free within their roles and they don't try to do anything else.
Like they know who they are. And also, they don't care.
what the score is.

Speaker 14 They could be down 20. They could be down 15, 7.
It does not matter. They don't stop playing.

Speaker 14 And I thought that Oklahoma City maybe was woken up a little bit in game one where they're like, hey, we cannot take our foot off the gas until, you know, the starters come out and the game is truly over.

Speaker 14 But the Pacers are doing something incredible. It's a shame that people probably aren't tuning in as much if it was like Lakers, Celtics or something.
But like.

Speaker 14 It's incredible basketball to watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What are the Pacers doing differently on defense? Because going into the series, the entire story was Oklahoma City's defense, which is incredible. It's a historic defense.

Speaker 4 They played really well all season. But last night, especially, the Pacers just made them uncomfortable all the time.
They were getting into passing lanes.

Speaker 4 It almost seemed like they were forcing them into making these bad passes that they were anticipating. So, from your perspective, like what changed? What have the Pacers done?

Speaker 14 I thought they, well, I just thought they ramped up the pressure. They, first of all, they have unbelievable individual deep defenders.
They have an unbelievable rim protector.

Speaker 14 Their schemes on SGA last night seemed like they were taking opportunistic times to double.

Speaker 14 You can kind of see anytime SGA kind of had it and he turned his back,

Speaker 14 assuming that like when you can see the back of his numbers, guys had the green light to just run and double and then scramble around.

Speaker 14 But what we're also seeing in the NBA right now, which is exciting to me, is like the days of like two superstars and a really good player and then kind of peppering in some guys who can just maybe shoot or do this, those are kind of over.

Speaker 14 Like all the good good teams now, everyone on the floor can shoot, dribble, rebound, pass, defend to a certain extent, right?

Speaker 14 Like even like Obi Toppin, like who you would say is probably their not their best shooter of the guys they play, he's five for eight from three and get one. Like guys can do everything.

Speaker 14 You can't have weak links on the floor.

Speaker 14 You can't have guys that a team can single out on defense and go at them every time, which is fun to see like sort of that change in the NBA where it's like, oh no, everybody on the floor is really, really good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other thing I was wondering about this, and maybe you can explain it to me because you obviously played for so long, but Chet Holmgren, box score, if you look at the box score, didn't watch the game, you're like, oh, he had a pretty good game.

Speaker 1 I think he scored, I think he had like 20 points and 10 rebounds. But if you're watching the game, it is like a big deal that he is.

Speaker 1 like so skinny and miles turner was kind of bullying him in the in the fourth quarter can you feel that like weight when you go up against a guy who's who's 30 pounds bigger than you?

Speaker 1 Is it a situation where you right now, like you just feel it and you're like, this is going to be a long night.

Speaker 1 I have to figure out something else because it does feel like he's in a little bit of deep water when he goes up against someone who's 30 pounds heavier than him.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I would just say, like, in the playoffs, obviously, the physicality goes up each round, really.

Speaker 14 For Chet, like, I would say, like, if I was his teammate, I would just talk to him about like, hey, what are your strengths? What do you do best against Miles Turner? Like, last night,

Speaker 14 he got a three-point shot blocked, and then he he tried to chase it and get into the lane and like get into somebody's body like don't we're not doing that we're getting space we're creating space we're we're just taking easy floaters we're not trying to get into the people's bodies and get closer to the rim he's so skilled um i i love his game i think he's a great player and when you're young like he's in his second year like he's figuring it out and he'll get better and better like i don't this isn't like a huge issue and we do this in the playoffs because there's a lot of time in between games where like a guy will have a bad game.

Speaker 14 You're like, he just, this guy just can't do it.

Speaker 14 But like, I think he'll be better next game. If you've seen like the other series, like he's made adjustments from game to game really well and he's, he's done his part.

Speaker 14 But yeah, I mean, you do feel that 30-pound difference, but just stick to what, stick to your strengths. Don't get outside of those.
Be exactly who you are.

Speaker 1 And it's a really good point about Chet because

Speaker 1 he like people who will criticize him and be like, he's in over his head

Speaker 1 are also just failing to be like, hey, he's a major contributor to a team that's in the finals.

Speaker 14 He's the best team in basketball. Right, right.

Speaker 1 They won, what was it, like 64 games or something? Yeah, something crazy. So that didn't happen by accident.
He's just now, the stage is a lot bigger and they are a young team.

Speaker 1 And I just, I feel like the Thunder

Speaker 1 just need that like second guy to step up more. And SGA did not have a good fourth quarter either.
Like he was not,

Speaker 1 he either has to be Superman or someone else has to be his, you know, Robin to his Batman at the end of games.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, listen, for the first time they played on the road in like kind of that environment, first time they played on the road in the finals, first of all, it's like, it's, it's, it's different.

Speaker 14 I mean, I, I never did, but

Speaker 14 from a, from afar, it's different. Uh, but like, that's just like the playoff atmosphere, like on the road for some of these guys.

Speaker 14 It's, you know, it's a little, it's a little tough, but like they bounce back, they win game four, they go home, they win game five.

Speaker 14 Like nobody's having some of these conversations that people are having today about some of these guys.

Speaker 4 Do you think maybe SGA needs to step up the embellishment a little bit? As a guy who was known for flopping, I mean, your nickname was flop, as we saw earlier.

Speaker 4 Should he take acting classes? Should he really crank it up in

Speaker 8 game four coming up?

Speaker 14 I'd like to see him implement some WWE tactics, you know, maybe, you know, put tape over a cut, and then when he gets fouled, rip it off. You know, blood coming down.

Speaker 14 I want more from him, more theatrics.

Speaker 14 i i actually like people talk about his like selling selling fouls and stuff but like

Speaker 14 he also is so good at it like and he he's in control of his body so well that he like feels something he's like oh i'm gonna do this and then the other guy presses one step too much and it's just like it to me it's not like crazy flopping he's just very good at putting his his

Speaker 14 putting himself in the right position to get a foul, which is

Speaker 14 a skill, to be honest.

Speaker 4 It is an art form. Like, he has taken it to an incredible level.
He's very good at it. He's also very good when he doesn't do that.
And I think he's

Speaker 7 insane.

Speaker 4 He's a great passer, too, when he's just like calmly taking it through the lane, looking for guys.

Speaker 4 You played with some guards that were always looking to throw you lobs anytime you were close to the basket.

Speaker 4 Was there one guy that would just surprise you that you'd always have to be on the lookout for?

Speaker 4 Like, I have no idea when the ball is going to be lobbed up in the air and I have to jump and go get it, but I need to be 100% ready at all times.

Speaker 14 I've always said, man, Baron Davis was like a master at like just, and he would just let the ball fly. Like he would three-quarter court, didn't matter.
He would just let it fly.

Speaker 14 And they were always pretty good passes.

Speaker 14 Obviously, CP is one of the best of all time.

Speaker 14 But like Baron is kind of like that name that would really surprise you of like a guy who just like can throw unbelievable lob passes and he'll, he'll try anything.

Speaker 1 When, do you, do you guys ever talk about if when you're in a playoff series,

Speaker 1 we always joke like a must-win can't lose. Do you think like being down 2-1 is there any talk being like, we got to win this game? Do you guys do must-win, can't loses?

Speaker 14 I don't think you'd want to say like, we have to win this game, but like the sense of urgency is going up. Like,

Speaker 14 it's understood. Like, we all, like, you all know that we're down 2-1.
Another home game for them. Like, got to go win this game, but no one's saying that.
Like, hey, we got to go win this.

Speaker 14 I don't think. I think it's just completely understood and guys just know exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 I feel like I would have to tell everyone it's a must-win. Every game.
Yeah. It's a must-win.

Speaker 14 Every time out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Every time down the floor, just yelling him on the bench.

Speaker 1 Must win. Must win this possession.
Must do it right now. I got a weird question for you.

Speaker 1 Your former teammate with the Nets, Kevin Durant, I feel like he just,

Speaker 1 he's back to fighting people on Twitter.

Speaker 1 And I think it's a lot of people just looking looking for a reaction for him from him.

Speaker 1 Uh, but I do also feel this weird tide shifting where people are trying to diminish his accomplishments for some weird reason, maybe because he went to the Warriors and everything.

Speaker 1 Like, you played with him for a season, you went through Wars with him in that playoff series where you guys went to game seven, the tow game. How good is Kevin Durant?

Speaker 1 Like, does he, I feel like he's almost he's he's become underrated now after maybe being a little overrated.

Speaker 14 Uh, yeah, I mean, well, according to some, he's probably not a Hall of Famer. Yeah.

Speaker 14 No, he's, he is

Speaker 14 the most unaffected basketball player by a defense. Like,

Speaker 14 there's not anything you can really do to like affect his shot. Like, he'll get to his shot.
He might miss, but he'll get to it. I don't know.
Like, I don't know how people feel.

Speaker 14 I do think that he, people kind of go at him for going to the Warriors and those are his two championships. But like, look at like the scope of work and look at how he does it.

Speaker 14 And look at like how easily he does it he's he's insanely talented and like he really like basketball is like that's his thing he loves it so i i don't know how if i could say he's underrated overrated i i assuming that people are just like looking for things to talk about but i mean my whole thing with some of these good players when people start to like pepper them same thing with jason tatum like jason tatum is unbelievable people have not done what he's done at his age and it's just like,

Speaker 14 you can hate on him for anything off the court, whatever you want, but like you can't deny how good guys are on the court.

Speaker 14 And I think that people, for some reason, they let that tout their view of them as players. And also, they don't appreciate what they're doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, you know what it is? They like cheapen it where they're like, instead of talking about Jason Tatum, the basketball player, they'll talk about his aura.

Speaker 1 and like try to diminish him because of aura.

Speaker 4 Those people are idiots.

Speaker 1 Yeah, morons. We would never do that.

Speaker 14 No, it's all, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We wouldn't be like, oh, he laced up his Timberlands. He's got no aura.

Speaker 1 Like, dude, come on. We're talking about hoop here.

Speaker 4 This one guy was like, he didn't even win the

Speaker 4 MVP of the finals last year. He's not the best player on his team.
It's like, this person has never watched basketball in their entire life.

Speaker 1 You're a moron. I hope that guy doesn't have a microphone.

Speaker 14 I mean, they just give everybody a microphone. Yeah, right.
And people say whatever they want. Not us.

Speaker 1 Not us. Not us.

Speaker 4 I do think they say it to Kevin Durant more because he is active on X.com, the everything app. And so he will fire back at people, which makes you feel important for a day if he responds to you.

Speaker 4 I think if he didn't, if he was still burner KD,

Speaker 4 which I'm kind of glad that he moved away from the burner and is just now saying everything with his chest. But if he were doing these replies in the burners, I don't think that...

Speaker 4 as many people would be going after him at all. I think it'd be a completely different story.
They just want they want Kevin Durant to know that they exist. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 14 And it's a lot of people just trying to get a response but I also think he's so funny on Twitter oh so funny

Speaker 1 like especially when he says stuff at perk is so funny it's also it I have a little sympathy obviously Kevin Durant's like such a massive name and way bigger than anything we've ever accomplished but I do think that it's bullshit that if someone like a Kevin Durant responds to someone on Twitter, everyone's automatically like, you're triggered.

Speaker 1 It's like, can we not sometimes just respond to people? Like, that's the point of Twitter, you know?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He just wants to know.

Speaker 14 He should just start replying by video and just saying his responses on video and kind of do it with like a smile, like throwaway thing.

Speaker 14 And then people won't be like, you can't say you're triggered if you look like you're not triggered.

Speaker 1 True. That's true.
True. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Maybe, yeah, maybe you go to video responses. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The problem is with the internet is the minute, the minute someone calls you triggered,

Speaker 1 it's over. Because if you say, no, I'm not, well, yeah, that response is triggered.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So they got you. Then you got triggered by somebody calling you triggered.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's a

Speaker 14 trigger inception.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 I do have a question about the finals. So I've heard a lot of people on TV say that role players play better at home.

Speaker 4 In your opinion,

Speaker 4 is that an accurate statement? Or is that just something that sounds nice that you can say after the home team wins?

Speaker 14 I think that's accurate to a certain degree. There's some guys who love going and playing on the road, role player, star player, doesn't matter.
Like there's some guys who just thrive on it.

Speaker 14 But I would say the majority of role players are more comfortable at home. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 What were your thoughts on TJ McConnell last night? On a scale of one to 10 on a blue collar meter, would you put it at like at 11 to 12?

Speaker 14 A blue collar meter, TJ McConnell, this whole playoffs is operating at a...

Speaker 14 just finished a shift on a construction site, going straight to the bar with his boys, staying out all night, and going and doing it again. It is a pleasure to watch that kid play basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like a coal miner out there.

Speaker 4 At one point, the camera caught him, I think, just screaming out, I'm a dog. I don't know if that's, I think you can do that if you're coming off the bench.
You can be like, I'm a dog.

Speaker 4 If you're a starter, somebody that's supposed to be a dog already, I don't think you get to yell that out loud. But when I saw him do it, I was like, he's right.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 14 And I, you know what? The word dog is thrown around a little bit too much.

Speaker 14 You know what I mean? Everybody's got that dog in them. The truth is, we can't all have dogs in us.

Speaker 14 Then we're not special.

Speaker 14 And we throw that around like, you know, like it's,

Speaker 14 I don't know, give me something that's very common.

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 I agree with you. You should have to start specifying breed.
Like, you should be like, I'm a Labrador. I'm a bulldog.
You got to do that.

Speaker 14 Today, yeah, I played like a poodle. But you know what? The other day, I was full rot, Wiley.

Speaker 14 And by the way, and, you know, guys, like when I was with the Celtics, I was more of a

Speaker 14 St. Bernard.
I was carrying water. I was giving guys some water.

Speaker 1 I was looking out for people. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Rescuing people lost on the mountain. But back in the day, back in the day, hey,

Speaker 14 Greyhound? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Something cool? Yeah, Pippin.

Speaker 1 I don't even know about that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What was Pistons, Blake Griffin? What kind of breed would you have been? on that squad?

Speaker 14 Just kind of your everyman, your every dog.

Speaker 1 Just did a little bit of everything.

Speaker 14 A little seasoned. You know, the hip dysplasia started to set in.

Speaker 4 You were Air Bud. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You were like Airbud 3. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Airbud tendonitis years.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Were you happy for the Pistons to finally win a series? That was pretty awesome.

Speaker 14 I was, man.

Speaker 14 I really like, I love Cade

Speaker 14 Cunningham. I think he just, he is like a joy to watch play basketball.
He's just like, he's kind of like Kawhi in the way where he's just kind of like,

Speaker 14 just so smooth and always just kind of on this line, not like game-wise but just like he feels like he doesn't really get flustered and he just makes big shots and he kind of the camera goes to him and he's just kind of like yeah i got it um but it's fun to see them and they're they're like a great young team jb is a great coach like they're they're gonna be they're gonna be good for a while and by the way people are gonna jump at me they didn't win a series they won a game which they hadn't won in a while i think they're gonna win a series next year like i think they're building something yeah that's the progression for sure yeah yeah like you go through the wars is it so people got mad mad at me because I kept on harping on that with like the Rockets this year.

Speaker 1 Before the playoffs started, I was like, you're like, oh, the Rockets are going to be dangerous. Like, that's just not how the NBA works.
You have to go through the wars. Did you feel that?

Speaker 1 Like, as a young player, like, you have to take your lumps. There's just something different about playoff basketball.
You can't just, it's not just like, oh, we're a young team.

Speaker 1 We're going to win them. We're going to beat everyone.

Speaker 14 Yeah, for sure. My first playoff series was against Memphis.
We happened to beat them in game seven. Then we got swept by San Antonio.
The next year we lost to Memphis.

Speaker 14 Then the next year we finally broke through we beat the warriors and then we had the thunder down and we

Speaker 14 fell apart lost to them and you just kind of keep getting more and more experience you also obviously keep getting better as a player but yeah

Speaker 14 you're you're so right like there's there's you you it's it's hard to just like take that jump from like never winning a playoff series to like Eastern Conference Finals.

Speaker 1 Right. You know, right?

Speaker 14 Even the Thunder last year. Like they lost to Dallas in

Speaker 14 the second round. Right.
And now this year, like they went through that experience. Yeah.
And they're a better team for it.

Speaker 1 The Pacers went to the Eastern Conference Final last year. Like, that was, I know they got bounced.

Speaker 1 I think they got swept by the Celtics, but that had to be experience that they could draw on when they were going through this year.

Speaker 14 100%. And it's crazy that they went to the Eastern Conference Finals last year, and they're in the finals this year, and they're still kind of not talked about.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 14 Now, obviously, now in the finals, people are, but it's just like one of those teams where you didn't hear about them all year.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I think it is? Because I've been thinking about this a lot. I think it's just based on the fact that Tyrese Halliburton doesn't score 30 points a game.

Speaker 1 I think not having a guy who's like a 30-point game, you know, or whatever, call it 28-points game, your best player not being one of those like prolific scorers just has people look at you differently.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's probably it. I mean, people always say the small market thing.
Like,

Speaker 14 I don't know. I mean, that team is just like

Speaker 14 so solid from top to bottom. So solid of the guys they play, so solid.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, he's not like one of those like

Speaker 14 crazy flashy. He'll have these big games.
He'll hit these big shots, but like, they're not one of, he's not one of those like, go get you 30 every night.

Speaker 14 And like, it's a, it's a, it's a spectacle, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like an automatic 25 where it's like, oh, okay, well, Luca or, you know, it's Adam, all these guys are, or Jalen Brunson, like, no matter what, they're just going to get 25 in a playoff game.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halburton does have games where he scores a little less, and everyone's like, oh, well, how are the Pacers doing that?

Speaker 4 I do think that some of it's also the fact that their leading scorer, I believe their leading scorer is Pascal Siakam. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's awesome. Who's awesome? That's a dog.

Speaker 4 And he won a championship,

Speaker 4 but he did it on what a lot of people would say was like a boring championship team. Yeah.
And so if it's anybody else that would go to the Pacers, by boring, I don't mean the team is boring.

Speaker 1 I mean that's boring.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Kawhi Leonard is boring.

Speaker 1 And it's a Canadian team.

Speaker 4 So like to most of America, we're just like, that never happened.

Speaker 4 But the fact that

Speaker 4 he's their leading scorer this year, when I think if he came from any other team and had that championship pedigree, I think that it would be looked at like, wow, the Pacers just got a superstar.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, they got a very, very, very good player in him.

Speaker 14 I think he's, maybe not this year now that he's doing this, but like, I think he's been pretty underrated for a while.

Speaker 14 And then, you know, after Kwai left, Toronto had some down years where it was just kind of like they were playing some games that, you know, weren't, they weren't in the playoffs every year, but he is, he is, he's nasty.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Uh, when was the last time you picked up a basketball? Uh,

Speaker 14 uh, not, not too long ago. I don't, I don't go like, I don't go play pickup, but I, you know, I'll shoot around with my son or something, you know.

Speaker 1 Do you ever have the, like, do you ever be like, I could go play pickup and just dominate? Because I, I never understand that. And maybe this is just, obviously, I'm not an athlete,

Speaker 1 but if I were that good, I would just go dominate people like, you know, at the local Y. Or or like a baseball player like going to play softball and just hitting fucking just bombs off everyone.

Speaker 14 Yeah, with as many injuries as I had in my career, I feel like if I just look at a pickup game, I'll

Speaker 14 so I'm just kind of, you know, I'm enjoying not having surgery the last couple years.

Speaker 1 That's very fair. Has has Joe,

Speaker 1 what was the last time Joe Missoula texted you

Speaker 1 asking you to come back or just texted you in general?

Speaker 14 I don't remember the last time we texted.

Speaker 14 I talked to him, not this season, the last season, you know, know a couple times throughout the season and it was just it was my time time to hang it out but i love i love joe i love that like he's he's got like an identity now with like the the an established identity he's always had that identity but established identity with the media and i just i love it i can't wait to see what he's going to say next yeah yeah i i love the fact that he's a psycho but he owns it he's like yeah would you guys ask him about how many times he's watched the town yeah yeah i don't know if he had like a straight answer like twice a week he honestly watches twice a week yeah or the time when he said, I think it was after they won the championship, he like wanted to rip apart his house because he wanted to go back to his roots.

Speaker 1 He's like, I want to just take this door down.

Speaker 4 He bought a house with his wife, and his wife wanted it because it's a beautiful home. And then they moved in.
He was like, I want to destroy this house because it's too comfortable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's amazing. Yeah.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I love that guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I got one last question.
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Speaker 1 Important question: What are you doing to get ready for Blake of the Year? We're getting close. We're a month away.
I feel like

Speaker 1 I think Bortles is going to be hungry.

Speaker 14 Yeah, he's going to be hungry. I mean, he's a tough competitor.

Speaker 14 You know,

Speaker 14 Brooks,

Speaker 14 you know, he's going to be hungry as well. He wants a chance to get on the board.
I mean, this is arguably one of the best times of the Blake of the Year.

Speaker 14 just because you got a lot of, you know, you got

Speaker 14 there's a chance for parody. There's two dynasties kind of going up head to head.
And sometimes people overlook the other guy. And that other guy right now is Brooks.

Speaker 14 And I've just been doing a lot of Blake things

Speaker 14 and just focusing on myself, you know.

Speaker 1 I think in Blake. You can control what you can control.

Speaker 4 In Blake of the Year, you have to learn how, you have to go through battles. You have to learn how to lose first and then you improve year after year.

Speaker 4 I think that's exactly where we are with Brooks right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Dude, take it from me.

Speaker 14 You know, it was heartbreaking when I was serving my country playing for Team USA and I missed the call that first year, you know, and I had to watch for a year as Sportals paraded that thing around all year long.

Speaker 14 And I just kept, you know, I just kept my head down. I said, you know what, you were doing the right thing, wearing the red, white, and blue.
And, you know, next year it'll be your year.

Speaker 14 And I just kept, I just kept being a Blake. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How's the golf game?

Speaker 14 Not good, but, you know, we're having fun.

Speaker 1 When you say not good, this is a, I've noticed this. All former athletes are, they'll be like, I'm not a good golfer.
And then you'll be like, what's your handicap?

Speaker 1 And they'll hit you with like a six or a seven. Like, that's, you're playing fun golf.

Speaker 14 What's your handicap? I'm not single digits. I'm like a 10 right now.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. That's still fun golf.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Yeah.
You know what? I've gotten to the point where it's like, I'm not going to like completely embarrass myself. I'll have some horrific shots here and there.

Speaker 14 But like, you know, you generally know, I know what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 14 Sometimes it doesn't work out. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's a skill set that you have to have after you retire because people will just pay you to show up at their tournaments now.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good life.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I do want to apologize for one thing. Um, would you have attended the Beck Gala?

Speaker 14 Uh, yeah, I just got the invite a little late.

Speaker 1 I texted Blake and I was just like, I can't remember. I think I was just like, oh, you know, do we have this thing? Or I asked him like if he has this date open and he replied.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, I basically like chickened out because I was like, I don't really want to invite him because he's going to be like, he's going to be nice because he's nice, but I really don't want to invite him because it's also like a commitment to fly all the way to Arizona.

Speaker 1 So I asked him for the date and he replied, he's like, yeah, I'm free. And then I didn't say anything.
And then like two days later, he just, he just wrote back like, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, fuck, I fucked that up.

Speaker 14 Yeah. I, yeah.
Yeah. You know what? Maybe next year.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Maybe. Yeah.
I just got to nut up next year. I got to get the dog in me.

Speaker 1 I was being a little chihuahua. You're being a cat.

Speaker 8 I was. I was being a cat.
You're being a cat.

Speaker 1 Got to be a dog. Yeah.
Big cat. Yeah.
A big cat.

Speaker 14 Because of the nickname.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's good. That's good.
That's why you're fucking on TV now. That's why you're doing Amazon Prime.
That's why you play Gryffindor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 Hey, Blake, who do you have in the finals? Official prediction.

Speaker 14 I'm going to go Oklahoma City still. Okay.
This stupid my original prediction. I'm not going to change after a 2-1 lead.
I'm going to stay Oklahoma City.

Speaker 14 They got to win game four. Then it's a three-game series, and two of them are home for them.

Speaker 1 Sounds like it's a must-win.

Speaker 14 It's a must-you guys.

Speaker 1 It's a must-win.

Speaker 1 Oh, Blake, you're the best, man. Thank you so much.
We miss you, and we'll see you soon.

Speaker 14 Miss you guys. Thank you.

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Speaker 4 And now, here's Owen Wilson.

Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest.

Speaker 8 It is Owen Wilson, one of the best actors out there.

Speaker 1 And he's got a new show out on Apple TV called Stick, which I've watched the first three episodes. Awesome show.
Very excited about seeing where it goes.

Speaker 1 It is the story, Owen, a golf, former golfer, pro-golfer,

Speaker 1 kind of falling

Speaker 1 bad times and then finding a kid prodigy that he's going to coach. And three episodes out right now.
They come out every Wednesday on Apple TV. So, Owen, let's start with Stick.

Speaker 1 First of all, I read everything about it, how you basically had to learn how to play golf. Your brothers played golf.
Your dad played golf. You didn't really play golf.

Speaker 1 Did you get good in learning this role?

Speaker 15 I was already sort of, and I remember when I met Morakawa and he said, What's the best club in your bag? And I said, My putter.

Speaker 15 And I had always done kind of, I'd have kind of putting matches with my dad. And so I was already, and that ends up being almost half the game.
So I'm okay,

Speaker 15 pretty good putter. And then it's just kind of figuring out the other

Speaker 15 part. And yeah, some days I have it and can do okay.
And then then other days it's like, it's like I feel like I've made no progress. Yeah.

Speaker 4 If you're playing a golf teacher and a golf guru, can you give yourself advice from that point of view?

Speaker 15 Well, it used to seem more like magic when I hit a good shot. Like, how did that happen? And now there's a little bit of an ability to sort of self-correct while I'm playing.

Speaker 15 You have to be careful of too many swing thoughts, but

Speaker 15 my brother always saying, you know, relax your grip. And

Speaker 15 it is one of those kind of counterintuitive things that I think makes it so hard with golf. The more you kind of bear down and grit your teeth and like, I'm going to just crush it.

Speaker 15 You can be sure you're not going to. So

Speaker 15 it really is kind of relaxing. And that's probably why golf, you know, they say is kind of a metaphor for life.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 I was kind of kidding about, it seems like the metaphors for life are always things that are really hard.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 15 It's never like, you know, walking in the park on a beautiful day is a great metaphor for life.

Speaker 15 It's always something that's struggle and that a lot of failure, but hey, that's because that's what it can be. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So in getting ready for this role, did you play a lot of golf? Because that seems like a genius move by you.

Speaker 1 If that was, if that, if that was maybe consciously, like almost like when Adam Sandler does a movie, he's like, we're going to do it in Hawaii.

Speaker 15 So we we all get to go to Hawaii we're like hey I'm gonna I'm gonna play a golf pro and I'm just gonna learn how to play golf so I have every time I golf I'm technically doing work oh god I was saying that you know just this weekend I was playing and and there and I was saying well I'm you know I'm working they go but the show is already done I go it's never done you know because I'm gonna have to come on

Speaker 15 So I would kind of joke around with my brothers.

Speaker 15 Like my dad would just get such a kick out of the fact that I kind of got paid to learn how to play golf and that now I was just in Australia and I went over to this course in Sydney that's like their Pebble Beach and, you know, they were welcoming me there.

Speaker 15 So it is really nice that I got to do this show. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I know if you, if, if this hits like we think it's going to hit, you might just be known for the rest of your life as a golf guy.
They'll get you out to tournaments, be like, hey, sticks here.

Speaker 4 Yeah. We're going to have, we're going to have, it's Kahill.
And you'll get to just kind of like show up doing golf events and playing golf for the rest of your life.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I know when I was working, you know, I love that city, Paris.

Speaker 15 And I remember when I was working on this movie and Midnight in Paris and thinking, like, I hope this, you know, does okay because it would be nice whenever I come here to, you know, sort of be connected with that.

Speaker 15 It would be nice if that were to happen with this, that I could go to some place like Augusta and maybe

Speaker 15 be welcomed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you are making a movie or a show, do you intuitively know like this is going to be great? Or has there been any time when you've done it, you've done the movie, you're like, this is great.

Speaker 1 And then for some reason, people watching are like, ah, we don't really like it.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah, I would say you never, and I've talked with other actors, you never know, and you wish there was more of a correlation between having a good time and how it turned out, but there isn't.

Speaker 15 And it's just hard, and it's just kind of out of your control. Some things just seem to connect with people and a story and then other things just kind of miss.

Speaker 15 But I mean, you know what it's like when you're flipping through the channel.

Speaker 15 Like there's some movies when I'm flipping through that if it's on, I always seem to kind of like I love that movie, The Town. And it's like, I'll be going through, that's on, or heat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 I end up watching the whole thing. It is obviously, it feels great when you, you know, work on something that does connect because, you know, you're not making it in a vacuum.

Speaker 15 You're making it with the hopes that uh that people respond but uh i do always say that's a little bit like i love school i just didn't like getting grades you know my parents would get mad so i love kind of making stuff i don't like when they come out and like ah you know you know it's like getting grades yeah and then you have and then you have movies that are such hits that do you like Wedding Crashers was that stretch of comedy, I feel like, was kind of the pinnacle for, especially we were at time and place.

Speaker 1 You know, I was in college.

Speaker 1 uh do you though ever thought like when it came out did you ever think i probably have so many copycats now that are crashing weddings i remember guys would be like let's go crash a wedding it's like well that was a movie we don't have to go crash a wedding

Speaker 15 yeah and then the uh the crashing funerals that uh will ferret i remember you know going to see animal house uh with my dad and loving that movie and you know there's that scene where they go to the women's college to, you know, get some dates.

Speaker 15 And they show up and they saw that somebody had died in a kiln explosion. And they're kind of pretending that that's who they're there to go on the date with.

Speaker 15 And, you know, I think that led right into that sort of idea in Wedding Crashers for Will's character.

Speaker 15 But, you know, that movie, I think when we were doing it, I know that, you know, Vince and I felt like we were having a good time with David Dopkin. Obviously, that one,

Speaker 15 I mean, Vince is so great in that.

Speaker 15 And I always think kind of, you know, there's some people like Jack Nicholson and I think Vince is like this, that if you saw them, you know, just in real life and, you know, they weren't a movie store and you just were around the guy at dinner or at a bar, you'd be like, God, I met this incredible guy who was so funny,

Speaker 15 like we all do.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would say Jerry O'Connell is that kind of guy for us, right? Like everyone's got a Jerry O'Connell story. You meet Jerry, instant magnetism.
Can't get enough of the guy.

Speaker 15 And remind me, Jerry.

Speaker 1 He was the fat kid in Stand By Me. He's married to a supermodel wife, Rebecca.

Speaker 15 Okay, but he was also in Jerry McGuire.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
He's our good friend, Kangaroo Jack.

Speaker 15 Right. He played the quarterback.

Speaker 11 Yep.

Speaker 1 In the

Speaker 1 Cush. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah. So,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good story. Great guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good idea.

Speaker 4 We love Jerry. He manages our fantasy football team.
Well, co-manages our fantasy football team.

Speaker 4 In Wedding Crashers, there's the iconic football scene. And then I read that you actually, you played flag football right after that movie came out, and your coach was Urban Meyer.

Speaker 4 So Urban coached you up on the football field?

Speaker 15 Yeah, he did. I can't say he coached me because

Speaker 15 I don't think he identified me as one of his star players on that team.

Speaker 15 And I think I was sort of more of an afterthought for him because he'd kind of give a couple of guys like, you know, routes to run. And then I'd say, what about me?

Speaker 15 And he'd say, I just want you to split right and just run your ass off. But there are some coaches that,

Speaker 15 you know, you connect with and

Speaker 15 then others you got to kind of prove yourself. And I think by the end of that game, I did get an interception that

Speaker 15 Urban was happy with. You know, the thing you could also tell, because the other coach of that game was Bobby Bowden, and, you know, he wasn't really taking it seriously.
He was just having fun.

Speaker 15 But Urban Meyer, you could see, this is a competitive guy, and he wanted to win that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he is a very competitive guy. I have a question.
It's kind of a weird question. Is it weird as a 40-year-old man, if I came up to you and I said, hey, Ona, I loved you in cars.

Speaker 1 Is that a weird thing? Because my kids love cars. They love all three.
But would it be weird to be like, I actually also loved you in cars?

Speaker 15 No, I one time got a nice note from Alec Baldwin because his, you know, he's got a bunch of young kids and, you know, they watch cars. And

Speaker 15 there's something about kids where they haven't watched a show once until they've watched it 50 times.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 15 said that, like, you know, my voice is just sort of there in their, you know, household as Lightning McQueen. So, yeah.

Speaker 15 I mean, one thing that is odd is that now I'm meeting kids for the, I don't know when the first one came out but those kids could 19 years ago yes they could be in their 20s ago right so what I like a 10 year old or something that now I feel like I'm recognized it's funny to say recognized for an animated movie but I am you know I went to the Rolling Loud music festival and I had you know people in their 20s

Speaker 15 saying Lightning McQueen and Kachow and stuff. And it's odd because those would have been the same kids that, you know, 20 years ago, their parents would have been saying, this is Lightning McQueen.

Speaker 15 And the kid would have just been staring like, what are you talking about? That's not like

Speaker 1 I'm going to tell my kids tonight that I interviewed Lightning McQueen today. Yeah, you talked to a car today, Dad?

Speaker 4 That's pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a great job.

Speaker 15 Well, tell them I said Kachow.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.

Speaker 4 I read an interview that you did where you said that some people say that you've spent too much time watching sports in your life.

Speaker 4 What's too much time? How much sports do you watch?

Speaker 15 I just, you know, I feel like during like football season, it's just kind of unbelievable now.

Speaker 15 Kind of, well, I mean, you're always going to watch, you know, the Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night, and then there's going to be, you know, a couple on Sunday.

Speaker 15 So, uh, and then there's college. So you're just putting in a lot of time watching.

Speaker 15 And then I'm not in fantasy football, but I'm in a league with, you know, like Eight Friends where you pick games and that can get very competitive.

Speaker 15 And, uh, but I don't consider it, you know, I was joking about that. Finally, doing this golf show, it gives me a thing to be able to say, oh, that wasn't wasted time.

Speaker 15 It was all feeding into playing this character. But I never really did consider it wasting time because you could say anything's a waste of time.

Speaker 15 I just, I don't know. I love watching those ESBN 30 for 30s.
I love watching those football lives,

Speaker 15 you know, the baseball films.

Speaker 15 I just was watching,

Speaker 15 you know, the Fernando Mania one, and it brings back, you know, memories of Sports Illustrated was a big thing when I was a kid and like my dad getting that. And

Speaker 15 I mean, there's, I think, a reason why sports salaries just keep going up.

Speaker 15 It's because you can't duplicate that kind of,

Speaker 15 you know, excitement and drama

Speaker 15 that, you know, that that you saw just as recently with Rory McElroy at the Masters. I mean, how much of, you know, a feeling did that give you that day watching it? I mean, that was brutal.

Speaker 15 I wanted him to win so bad. And three different times I gave up on him.
Oh, that's it. It's over.
And then when he finally wins, it didn't look like somebody who had won. It looked like torture,

Speaker 15 like he had just been through a gauntlet, which of course he had. So,

Speaker 15 you know,

Speaker 15 I mean, I guess that's just what makes, you know, sports so watchable or just the tennis open that they just had. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Five set where, you know, and I actually, even though I like Alcaraz, I bet on Sinner to win. And oh, I've got this.
Well, no, you don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 And that's just kind of, because a lot of times, you know, you know, that kind of, it's, I think we love stories. And so that was a great story we watched on Sunday between those guys.

Speaker 15 And you don't know how it's going to end. And it's got you on the edge of your seat.
And that's what, you know, any good book or movie or TV show is trying to deliver. And that's what sports just has.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So who are your teams? Who do you root for?

Speaker 15 I root for the Red Sox

Speaker 15 because even though I grew up in Dallas, those, you know, my parents were from Boston and my grandparents. And those were the first games that I went to.
And then the Cowboys,

Speaker 15 huge. I was very happy to see the Dodgers win the World Series.
And we went to that victory parade downtown. But I've kind of, you know, we didn't really grow up with.
hockey.

Speaker 15 My older brother, you know, his last two years of high school went to Massachusetts and played intermural hockey and said, had we grown up in a hockey place, he said, it's an incredible sport and we would have played.

Speaker 15 But I get into watching, you know, hockey now too.

Speaker 15 I think that that's like even if you were sort of, you know, someplace like England, you know, you spend enough time and there's, you know, nothing else on, you'd start to get into cricket.

Speaker 15 You know, it would just happen.

Speaker 1 I got a question about Wes Anderson, your partnership with him. Obviously, all his movies are iconic and great to watch.

Speaker 1 And you've known him since your days in college and, you know, Bottle Rocket and all throughout all of them.

Speaker 1 When you're filming it, though,

Speaker 1 what does it look like on set where it's like you know the end product's going to look so different and visually appealing in this unique style?

Speaker 1 Does it feel different on set when you're doing a Wes Anderson movie?

Speaker 15 Yeah, it definitely feels different.

Speaker 15 First of all, just the way you're making it feels different because everyone's living in the same place and you're all having dinner together and it ends up being just kind of a nice sort of way to make something because you're sort of like a little family.

Speaker 15 Usually when you're making, you know, a movie or show, people have their trailers and you're staying in different places and you might not, you know, see much of each other other than at work.

Speaker 15 And that's not the way it's happening on Wes's movies.

Speaker 15 And even something like, you know, kind of you do kind of hair and makeup and then throughout the day on a normal movie, they're coming up and adjusting things.

Speaker 15 They're coming up once at the beginning of the day and you kind of get your own sort of wardrobe ready. And then the rest of the day, there's no sort of,

Speaker 15 you know, interruption. So it is kind of a unique experience making one of, you know, his movies.

Speaker 15 And I think that's probably why he's able to get all these great actors that want to be in it because, you know, it's not like they're maybe getting paid the way they might on another movie.

Speaker 15 It's because they want to be part of that experience. And again, back to what we were saying, if you have a chance to work on something that connects with people, that's a great feeling.

Speaker 15 And if you're doing one of his,

Speaker 15 your chances are maybe better.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, they are great movies and they are iconic.

Speaker 4 What is the worst pitch that you've ever gotten for a movie? Like the easiest no that you've ever said?

Speaker 15 Well, I can't even say just dismiss something out of hand as a, you know, bad pitch. Somebody was just saying, and I think they were sort of kidding.

Speaker 15 What about you and your brothers playing the manning brothers and uh they were just kidding part of me

Speaker 15 part of me is like yeah i'd like to do that and uh i'd like to be peyton uh i feel like uh i connect with him as a middle as a middle brother so i think they were sort of joking but i kind of am like ah maybe there is something to that Yeah, I'd watch it.

Speaker 4 I would watch it.

Speaker 4 The problem is, I think everybody would want to be Peyton.

Speaker 15 No, I don't think so. You know, Cooper is

Speaker 15 a great character. He, you know, might be the funniest of the three.
And he has a great story. He was a great, you know, college player and then, you know, had some sort of health thing.

Speaker 15 So that's kind of a moving,

Speaker 15 you know, character art. And then Eli with those, you know, two sort of two-for-two Super Bowls taking down the Patriots.
Are you telling me you don't want to play that character? Come on.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of meat on the box. I would watch that movie for the record.

Speaker 15 Yeah. And then let's go to the Patriarch, you know.

Speaker 15 And then we also have a role for kind of, you know, the hot shot rookie with Arch now at UT.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm in.

Speaker 1 How's your relationship with the word wow been over the years? Has it has it ebbed and flowed where people I would imagine there's probably was a time where you're like, all right, enough.

Speaker 1 I don't need to hear people say this to me on the street all the time.

Speaker 1 And then you get to a point where you're like, all right, it's kind of cool that, like, you know, I'm, I'm recognizable and I've, I've, I've been in people's brains at some point.

Speaker 15 Well, I think you just nailed it exactly what you just said. Sometimes it's first of all, I wasn't aware of it till it was sort of, you know, I think it was already sort of an internet thing.

Speaker 15 And then I remember the first person kind of showing, and they were a bit tentative, I think, because they're sort of,

Speaker 15 you know, how would I react? And

Speaker 15 yeah, I didn't realize, obviously, that I was saying it.

Speaker 15 And now I definitely am a lot more careful. But, you know, if I did have to pick a word, that's not a bad word to be associated with.

Speaker 15 And I remember Beck did a song called Wow a few years ago when they were talking to me about coming out on stage.

Speaker 1 So yeah, if it makes you feel better, someone did the math. You've been paid $1,300 per wow.

Speaker 15 That's it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Well, then, and then I sometimes will get sort of not bitter, but I'll sometimes say, I wonder if some of these internet people doing this, they can't find some other words that actors have said a lot.

Speaker 1 I bet there's a lot of other words.

Speaker 1 That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, is a good one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, but somehow I'm, uh,

Speaker 15 I was about to say it.

Speaker 1 Careful.

Speaker 4 I know that I've noticed that you don't want to say it, which I completely understand. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I said it. I did say it once.

Speaker 15 That's how aware of it, you know.

Speaker 15 Just said it when I said, you know, Beck has the song. And I'm like, okay, then they'll add this to the list now.

Speaker 4 It's spelled W-O-W.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 And a lot of times, actually, they'll have it sometimes, you know, when I'm doing like a voiceover or some animated thing, but I've changed it from that into whoa.

Speaker 15 So.

Speaker 4 Oh, if I heard you say whoa in person, I would actually be furious in that moment.

Speaker 1 I'd be like,

Speaker 1 what is woe? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What the hell's wrong with him?

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Owen, I have one last question.
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Speaker 1 So in Stick, you have some celebrity guest appearances.

Speaker 1 Our good friend Max Homa. You have Colin Morakawa, who's been on our show.
Great guy. Is there a specific golfer that you now are rooting for? Because golf is one of those funny sports where

Speaker 1 guys kind of root for, like, they don't really have maybe one person they ride with, like team sports.

Speaker 1 But is there one person that you like going forward, you're like, I'm really rooting for that guy now?

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 you know, they talk about like, didn't they say like the sports illustrated jinx? Like, you know, somebody could be on the cover and then not do well.

Speaker 15 Well, I've noticed that, you know, gosh, all the guys like Keegan Bradley, he's doing great. And Morakawa and then Max was just, you know, doing great.

Speaker 15 That, oh, wouldn't there be a great thing if it was like the opposite, if there was like the stick bounce that some of these guys got. So

Speaker 15 I'm rooting for all those guys to do well.

Speaker 15 And then, you know, Rory was kind of, you know, like I said about that masters, I wanted him to win so bad and was so happy with that. But

Speaker 15 yeah, I definitely now pay attention. And

Speaker 15 it's funny, we were talking like Max, you know, just right when I met him and when he did kind of the scene, he has kind of a funny energy. And

Speaker 15 that guy kind of has a quality, you know, back to how we were kind of talking about like, yeah, that guy just kind of has something that's

Speaker 15 kind of comes through and, you know, is very comfortable and natural in a way that you like to watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 We love Max. I feel like I feel like Price Cahill could help Max out right now.

Speaker 4 Like get him get him in the zone. I feel like that's a good combo.
Because Max is such a good guy. You can't help but root for him once you meet him.

Speaker 15 Yeah. yeah.
Move over Manning pitch and we might have to move into the yeah, Price and Max Homa teaming up.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like it.

Speaker 4 Price Cahill, by the way, is a great alias. Yeah.
Do you have, do you have good aliases? Like when you go on the road, because I feel like you just burned one with Price Cahill. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Price Cahill is like, I mean, somebody was saying the other day that had to have been a real golfer, and they were looking up because it sounds like the ultimate golf name.

Speaker 15 But no, you know, I think the Ramones, like they, they got their name because that was Paul McCartney's name that he would use at hotels was Johnny Ramon, and that's how they kind of got their name.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 no, I've never, I've never had like an alias that I've used.

Speaker 1 No, you're, you're Lightning McQueen. You don't need an alias.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Well, Owen, thank you so much, man.
We really appreciate it. And great show.
And I'm excited to see where it goes.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got Fire Fest of the week.
Henry.

Speaker 10 Yeah, another great week. I do have a Fire Fest, but this was one of those weeks we talk about how fake life of a job it was.

Speaker 10 This week, Monday,

Speaker 10 we golfed, charity golf outing, Stella Blue.

Speaker 10 Tuesday, we woke up. We came in dressed up as the fruit from Fruit of the Wombs for a commercial.
Yep. That was ridiculous.

Speaker 7 Yep.

Speaker 10 Wednesday for work, we went fishing for four hours. Yep.
And tomorrow we're waking up and playing Dungeons and Dragons. Yep.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a pretty good. I was actually put it that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 It was a preposterous, preposterous week.

Speaker 4 I was very tired on Wednesday when I got home, and I went home and I acted like I just got out of a shift at the coal mines. And I like put my feet up and I let out an audible groan.

Speaker 4 Like, oh, it's so good to kick my feet up for a second. And then I thought of the itinerary of what I did that week to make me tired.
And I was like, I'm not actually tired. Yeah.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, my biggest complaint this week was that I just forgot to put on Suntan lotion when we fished. I was like, man, this is tough.
I got a little burnt.

Speaker 1 Good life. Good life.
Yeah. We're very appreciative of the life we have.

Speaker 10 Great life.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 at the golf outing, I was chopping it up with Jersey Jerry before, and he's like, oh, look at this broomstick sweeper putter I have. And I, you know, was like, oh, I'll post a video of it.

Speaker 10 You know, people, the golf, golf purists out there hate

Speaker 10 people using the sweeper putter. Understandably, so it looks ridiculous, especially for someone who's as bad of a golfer as myself.
But I was like, yeah, you know, I'll use it for the video.

Speaker 10 It'll be funny. It'll get people riled up.

Speaker 10 And then I was putting as good as I ever have. And I've just been battling, wrestling with myself on if I'm going to actually use it in real life.

Speaker 10 And I think I feel like I have to, but I know,

Speaker 10 understandably so, people are going to be like, that guy is the biggest douchebag of all time.

Speaker 4 Let's make a pros and cons list.

Speaker 1 Pros. Good at putting.
Maybe.

Speaker 4 You might be better at putting or good at putting putted well once.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 10 Could be the difference. Maybe.

Speaker 4 Any other pros?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 10 Cons, douchebag. People notice you from far away, like on other greens being like, who's that douchebag? Who's that douchebag?

Speaker 5 Pro engagement whenever you tweet videos of yourself doing it.

Speaker 7 That's true.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 Con, people might think that you're really short using a regular size putter.

Speaker 10 I think that's not a problem for me. Yeah, that's not a problem for you.

Speaker 10 I don't ever really think about like, and people are going to think I'm short if I do X.

Speaker 1 But that was

Speaker 1 projecting there.

Speaker 1 Same.

Speaker 10 Con, people, if they don't think you're a douchebag, they're going to assume you're a good golfer. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to be good with that. Right.

Speaker 1 You cannot break that up and three-putt everything. Right.

Speaker 10 But I at least have to feel it out. But it's like we got the Ryder Cup coming up.
I just don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 10 That's the worst part of my week.

Speaker 1 How good were you with it?

Speaker 10 Really good. I felt as confident as I ever have putting.
I hit some really good putts.

Speaker 5 PM TV coming out today.

Speaker 10 Yeah, PMTV coming out today.

Speaker 4 So is this the biggest?

Speaker 10 Pick cat hit like a 40-footer with it?

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 4 Is the broomstick putter, is that for players who are young in their primes?

Speaker 10 I think it's just like it's just they invented it. It's for people when they're going through going through with the putter.
It's like, oh, you know, try the broomstick.

Speaker 1 I think people who just suck at putting, they get better with it.

Speaker 4 I've always thought like for olds.

Speaker 1 No, I think it like it does make it so there's less...

Speaker 7 But you're not breaking your wrist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't go crazy with it. You just

Speaker 1 do it.

Speaker 10 You don't break your wrist. It's very easier to have a straight line on the ball.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 But yeah, I'm probably, I'm definitely going to use it Friday, and we'll see from there. You're going to experiment Friday.

Speaker 1 I'm golfing. It's my birthday.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday. Happy birthday.
Oh, yeah. This is your birthday episode.
Thank you. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it makes sense.

Speaker 4 You're getting older. You're using the senior tour putter.

Speaker 10 I don't, it has nothing to do with age.

Speaker 1 What if I need you for the yak?

Speaker 5 I was all.

Speaker 5 You just saying it's my birthday as if you weren't going to golf tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 that was defense.

Speaker 1 That was yak defense. That was yak defense.

Speaker 10 I would say, if you need me for the yak, it would be my birthday wish if I could not.

Speaker 1 Your birthday wish.

Speaker 4 We should all get birthday wishes on the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Firefest is just you found a putter that you're awesome at putting with?

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it makes you look like a douchebag.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 PFT? I was going to say, my Fire Fest is that Hank is turning 32, so that makes me old.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Every year, Hank gets old. That's really when I feel old.
I don't feel old at my birthdays. I feel old at Hank's birthdays.

Speaker 10 Yep, seven years. There was a seven-year-old, someone posted the, I think Big Cat posted the seven-year anniversary of the Obgen.
Oh, yeah. That was like seven years.
Holy fuck.

Speaker 20 Well, here's a fun fact, though. The job of a male obgen

Speaker 21 is to

Speaker 20 mansplain.

Speaker 21 Oh, my God, Hank. Oh, it's O-B-G-Y-N.

Speaker 4 Obstetrician gynecologist, yeah.

Speaker 20 I mean, how the f ⁇ are you supposed to, like, know that they didn't put any periods in between the letters or anything.

Speaker 4 When was the last time you got your pap smeared, Hank?

Speaker 20 Hey, confirmed Hank does not have a vagina.

Speaker 21 Anyway,

Speaker 21 the job of a very unhealthy one.

Speaker 20 Objin is to mansplain women's bodies to them. Therefore, their job is guys on chicks.
Big Cat and PFT are practically doctors.

Speaker 21 Okay, yeah, I'll take it.

Speaker 20 I'm an objun.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 We're getting to that point where it's like that was X years ago. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the 10 year of us at the Blackhawks Lightning Stanley Cup final fighting the hot dog. I was like, shit, 10 years is a long time.

Speaker 1 And when that happened, it felt like we had been doing a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 11 40 is the new 20 when it comes to romance because you've got time, wisdom, and experience on your side.

Speaker 1 Ooh, good job, Zach.

Speaker 2 That's good.

Speaker 1 That's nice. Your 40s come with a certain type of confidence in who you are.
They can't be emulating your 20s. So, Hank, congrats.
You're 40. 32.

Speaker 4 Oh. And at this stage in life, you're feeling out what makes you feel like a man.
Now you've got the long putter. And it's Pride Month, and you should feel happy about experimenting with that.

Speaker 4 Love is love. Hell yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 My other Firefest was just going to be that I've had an all-time week of bad fits.

Speaker 4 Big bad fit with me.

Speaker 10 Is this just, you're just trying to get a compliment?

Speaker 7 No, of what?

Speaker 10 Your fit today is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 4 No, I was actually not fishing for a compliment there. I was just saying I've had some bad fits this week, hand up.

Speaker 4 I got roasted by Max on Monday because I was wearing

Speaker 4 the wildest. Admittedly, it was a wild outfit.
It was piecemealed together as I was in Milwaukee. And I had a...

Speaker 4 What's that, Max?

Speaker 5 Technically, I didn't roast you. I just said you were...
You were wearing an outfit that you normally would wear, and I liked the outfit.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was... This is the most PFT outfit of all time.
That's a compliment.

Speaker 4 It was a compliment.

Speaker 5 I said I love that PFT threw out this first pitch in the most PFT outfit outfit of all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a compliment.

Speaker 5 There's no roasting in there at all.

Speaker 1 That's a compliment.

Speaker 4 They kept just adding layers to it that they would give me.

Speaker 1 They're like, okay,

Speaker 4 here's a jersey you can put on. Okay, here's a giant straw hat.

Speaker 1 A giant straw hat that you can wear.

Speaker 4 And then Big Cat shares with me that his daughter might have thought that I was a woman the other day in a picture. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I showed my kids. Well, that's nothing to do with the fit.
No, that was just looks.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I showed my daughter a picture of PFT and I on the boat for the fishing tournament, which will come out, I think, in July.

Speaker 1 And she was just like, oh, you went fishing with our nanny? And I was like, nope.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 my friend PFT. You've met him many times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's okay. Listen, the hair was down.
It was blowing in the wind. I get it.
I looked hot. Yeah.
So I can see why you might be like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 In my house, the only bar stool people that are recognizable for my kids are a great trio. Stu Feiner, Max, and Jerry.

Speaker 1 Those are the three that get asked about all the time.

Speaker 4 Although I did hear a story from earlier today that Megan brought her kids to the office and they thought you were Rico. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then Megan, but then Megan was like, you're going to get me fired to her son. And her son, I was like, no,

Speaker 1 you're not. Her son started to freak out.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh my God, mom just lost her job. That is the

Speaker 4 funniest mistake to make, though, for Big Cat. Be like, oh, it's Rico Bosco.

Speaker 10 Is this the guy that found my phone number and is getting mad at me for surviving?

Speaker 4 All right. That calls the schools.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was very funny. All right.

Speaker 8 My Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 I am currently trapped in my own personal Barstool After Dark episode, and I don't know how I'm going to get out of it. So

Speaker 1 I, for people who don't know, our Barcelona After Dark great series that Tate

Speaker 1 does, and it's basically, it's torture. It's punishment.
You can't.

Speaker 4 You lock yourself in hell for challenge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he and Oldie did,

Speaker 1 what was it, 12 hours at a golf course trying to get

Speaker 2 two bunker shots.

Speaker 1 Why are you googling Barcelona?

Speaker 1 I know what it is. No, but so anyway, I got a new basketball hoop for my kids in my backyard.
And

Speaker 1 it's able to go down so they can actually make shots now. My son has taken a liking to basketball, which is awesome.
Like, so pumped for it.

Speaker 1 The problem is, he, every day, and this started on Monday or Tuesday, whatever it was, he wants to make a certain amount of shots, and it keeps doubling.

Speaker 8 That's good.

Speaker 1 It is, but, like, tonight, I'm about to go do 80.

Speaker 1 I don't know. 160 is going to be daunting.
Well, at some point. And then doubling it again.
So I'm just in a Barstow after dark challenge. Well, you can start exploring.
Because we got 40, no problem.

Speaker 1 It took a little bit of time, but we got it, no problem.

Speaker 1 And he said, like, when I dropped him off the school this morning, he's like, we're hitting 80 shots. And I was like, yeah, done.
I don't know what I'm going to say with 160.

Speaker 4 At some point, the math is going to start turning points.

Speaker 10 Every shot's worth X point.

Speaker 1 True. True.

Speaker 1 But he really wants to hit 80 shots, and we're going to hit 80 shots. We're going to do it.

Speaker 7 That's good. Yeah.
No,

Speaker 1 it's not, it's the doubling forever that's going to be a problem. We're going to just have to figure it out how to maybe come back down and land on a number that we can hit all the time.

Speaker 1 Or you just have a prodigy.

Speaker 4 Introduce the concept of the three-point zone.

Speaker 1 That's true. He could just be a prodigy.
I'm going to probably say no, but maybe. Never know.

Speaker 1 What is it? 10,000 hours? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, by next week, we will have to go 10,000 hours to hit the

Speaker 1 20,000 shots he wants to hit.

Speaker 4 That's like the Beatles had 10,000 hours of practice or something like that to achieve mastery.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll be there. We'll be there in no time.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Zach, you have a Firefest for us.

Speaker 9 Yes, sir.

Speaker 9 I've got a quick one. He was just going to the costume store earlier today.

Speaker 8 What happened?

Speaker 1 This is for what reason?

Speaker 9 Dungeon and Dragon costumes, to be specific.

Speaker 1 Okay. So

Speaker 9 I was testing going to make sure I'd get you guys the correct costumes, you know, right sizes, a good look, good costumes.

Speaker 9 We made it to the Chicago costume place.

Speaker 9 Shout out to Max for driving. That was awesome.
He's great behind the wheel. What happened?

Speaker 9 I just had some oversight. We get in there.
There's way more costumes than I first expected. And so that almost led to no costume.

Speaker 9 like it was it was so overwhelming like there's a lot on those walls i don't know if you got have you ever been there expensive costume store yeah insane amount of costumes going on in a chicago costume well it it is a costume store

Speaker 1 two levels there's a second floor yeah how many how many costumes were you anticipating uh maybe like one wall maybe wall wall the wigs wall the costumes like when you go to spirit halloween where yes where do you shop where do you shop for clothes uh clothes usually either uh amazon or uh let's say you go to the gap or a gas station Significantly smaller than the gap.

Speaker 1 Were you about to say a gas station?

Speaker 9 Just for t-shirts, sometimes. That's it.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 Respect. Respect.

Speaker 1 Sorry for cutting you off there.

Speaker 1 But like you go to the gap. Are you like, this is just too many jeans?

Speaker 9 They only got like four or five different styles. Costumes, each costume is a specific style.
So it's like going to the gap and seeing 1,500 styles of pants.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 How long did you spend at the costume store?

Speaker 9 It had to have been like 35, 40 minutes.

Speaker 1 Oh, either so you need more.

Speaker 5 I think we had 52 minutes.

Speaker 1 52 minutes? We were there way too long.

Speaker 9 I had a timer set to make sure I was going in and out quick, but then I had to put my phone in my pocket because I was holding the costumes. We didn't get to.

Speaker 3 We got the first costume until minute 35.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 What happened between 0 and 35?

Speaker 10 We did leave it open-ended for him.

Speaker 1 I know, but like, you could have just grabbed anything.

Speaker 9 I didn't want to mess up open-ended. And then I'd pick up a few.
I went with a theme.

Speaker 10 And a costume would have, would have, you can't, as long as you get a costume. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We can't catch the open-ended bill.

Speaker 4 so you had to go, you had to pick the theme first, and then you had to pick the costumes for each person under that theme.

Speaker 9 I was thinking theme a couple times, but then we're going size bound, so then we're like, well, we got to make sure we have enough that that means that the people can get into the costume.

Speaker 9 So that was a couple of times.

Speaker 1 He got too stressed out about the theme.

Speaker 5 So at one point, I did give him the guidance of like, just so you know, there doesn't have to be an exact theme. Okay.
We do.

Speaker 1 There almost never is. Yes, that's kind of what I said.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the only time we tried to do a theme, we actually screwed up and got our communication crossed, and we all were shredder and handkerchiefs.

Speaker 9 Michelangelo. Theme locks it into four or like four to six costumes that you, you know, that's probably all in the same row.
Once you open it up to individual costumes, then we're back to all 1,500.

Speaker 9 We're hitting the vintage underneath.

Speaker 9 We did leave with the right amount of costumes. I just don't know if you guys are going to like them, but we'll have to.

Speaker 9 is what it is.

Speaker 9 What's done is done at the costume store. If I could have gone back, I would have done some more planning.

Speaker 9 And I'm sorry that we had you guys there longer than I expected. There was also a cat, so allergies are flaring up.
It was a whole thing. I feel terrible about it.
But luckily, we're left with six.

Speaker 4 Are you confident heading into tomorrow? I'm pretty stressed out.

Speaker 9 I'm not confident in costume selection.

Speaker 9 Can you

Speaker 1 give us one costume you picked up? Don't say for who, but just say one costume.

Speaker 9 I got a Ringo Star riding being a professional bike athlete.

Speaker 1 Wait, what?

Speaker 1 Wait, what? Ringo. It's not that bad.
It's just Ringo. Ringo Star.

Speaker 9 It's Ringo Star if he entered the Tour de France.

Speaker 1 That's not bad.

Speaker 1 It's easy.

Speaker 1 It's easy. Okay, that's the easy one.
I like that one. That's a good one.
That's my favorite one.

Speaker 1 That sounds like PFT. There's one.

Speaker 4 No, I was going to say it sounds like Hank.

Speaker 8 There's one that

Speaker 5 I don't think someone will be happy.

Speaker 1 That's me.

Speaker 1 That was me.

Speaker 1 I'm not going. I can't.

Speaker 1 I cannot confirm nor deny.

Speaker 4 That sounds like Zach was looking at some costumes, and then memes was like, and no wool has been perfect for him.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 We filmed the entire thing.

Speaker 3 We gave him no guidance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 9 In my defense, I didn't really expect that.

Speaker 10 He was probably just pointing the camera.

Speaker 3 No, we did that with Max and a Snorlax guy.

Speaker 1 If Max and Memes weren't there, Zach, would you still be in the costume store?

Speaker 9 Hopefully not, but I would have probably been there for a little bit longer.

Speaker 1 We definitely would have.

Speaker 5 Well, the other thing was we had an interview at 2.30.

Speaker 5 And that's when it was, like, me and memes kept going like, you're good. You're good.
Like, take your time. Take your time.

Speaker 5 And then it came down to it, and it was like, if we don't leave right now, we will be late.

Speaker 1 We will be late for this interview.

Speaker 5 The interview started at 2.30. We showed up back here at 2.27.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Zach. That's bad.
No, it was good.

Speaker 5 It was good. It ended up being very good.

Speaker 9 There was a misstep in the costumes that I didn't quite realize until we were in the car on the way back, though. So that's...

Speaker 1 That's on me.

Speaker 4 What was the misstep with the costumes? We'll talk about...

Speaker 5 That's the one. That's the one.
We'll have to work that way.

Speaker 1 Someone may be on the back.

Speaker 4 That's the one that Hank's going to be upset about.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you for going to get the costume, Zach. You were great teaser for D D.
Appreciate the task.

Speaker 1 D D. Well, D D episode will come out week of July 4th.
So

Speaker 1 get excited for what costumes you have.

Speaker 4 And how's the diet been going?

Speaker 9 I redownloaded Fitness Pal. Hasn't been going good, tracking the calories.

Speaker 9 So we're in the right direction.

Speaker 4 That app sucks.

Speaker 9 You become like a servant to it. It controls your entire life.

Speaker 1 Terrible.

Speaker 1 It's so bad.

Speaker 10 And everything has way too many calories.

Speaker 1 That's when I found out grapes were carbs.

Speaker 8 What did you track?

Speaker 9 Just a sausage pepperoni pizza.

Speaker 1 Full pie.

Speaker 1 He was like, I put it in the full pie.

Speaker 5 It was sad to see how many calories are in a full pie.

Speaker 9 But it's good to remind yourself the next day how much you ate. Like, hey, fat ass, don't do that again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You have to hold on.
How many calories was in that? It was like 2,700 calories in the pie. Put that down.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 9 So I'll know tonight to eat better when I pull it up. Like, oh, you did the pizza yesterday.

Speaker 4 Are you sure?

Speaker 8 When was the last time

Speaker 1 you pulled the Zach? zack

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 9 the uh what day was that

Speaker 9 going into

Speaker 9 probably four days ago i hit the mcdonald's you hit the you hit the zack i think that's got to be once a week

Speaker 9 it can't what my pants man i'm just running out of clothes we can't do it okay

Speaker 5 once a week hit the zack oh you want no no i can't what i'll hit it yeah i hit it hit it i do have to say what one thing this is more of a psa of a personal fire fest and we can then we can do numbers i have become allergic to my own dog, and it's a huge problem in my life.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're going to lean to Dunham? No.

Speaker 5 The dog is staying, but if there's any recommendations out there, I would love to hear what I can do.

Speaker 1 No. Spin a drill?

Speaker 1 This is. You can't sleep.
Now, this is an interesting,

Speaker 1 interesting turn of events because I think it was just Monday that you were like,

Speaker 1 Hank is the only anti-dog person on this show. No.
And you were like, I'm pro-dog. I have a dog.
And that happened right after?

Speaker 4 This is... Your entire body is anti-dog.

Speaker 5 I am so pro-dog.

Speaker 1 It's in your blood.

Speaker 5 I am like,

Speaker 5 I have just accepted for the rest of my life that

Speaker 5 I'm walking back into

Speaker 5 a prison of allergies.

Speaker 4 Are you getting itchy?

Speaker 4 Are you sneezing?

Speaker 5 I'm sneezing a fuckton. My throat.

Speaker 1 So in this...

Speaker 5 There was a cat at

Speaker 5 the costume store, and I was having an allergic.

Speaker 1 Wait, so this cat took down down two members of part of my team?

Speaker 5 No, it was just me that was having the problem with the cat. Wait, Zach.
Zach started to feel really bad because I started to get super allergic to the cat at the costume store.

Speaker 1 Oh, Zach, I thought you were allergic to cats.

Speaker 9 No, we were just in there way too long, and then his eyes were flaring up, and the cat was like, it was upstairs, it was downstairs, it was free roaming, and then I could just see his eyes.

Speaker 9 I could see his face.

Speaker 9 He's getting destroyed by the cat.

Speaker 4 You definitely made it seem like you were having the reaction to the cat. No, it was me.

Speaker 1 You just took that bullet for Max.

Speaker 4 You're a good guy, Zach. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I felt terrible for his allergies, yeah.

Speaker 5 No, but that's just my my life now. So I just bought like a fuck ton of air purifiers for my apartment.
If anyone has any tips of what... Because I'm obsessed with my dog.
There's no chance.

Speaker 5 That is not an option of not having the dog. So I need to figure out solutions

Speaker 5 to not be a prisoner inside of my own home.

Speaker 1 I got one. What? Don't be a pussy.
I know.

Speaker 5 Every single day I get home and I start crying of allergies.

Speaker 11 And I'm like,

Speaker 16 stop it.

Speaker 5 Just be fine. And then I'll literally get so allergic and I'll be like, this isn't a problem.
And then I'll go like put my, I'll go like snuggle with my dog and put my face like on my dogs. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then it'll be a huge problem. But I'm like, it's not a problem.
It's not a problem. All right.

Speaker 1 So you're actually handling it like a man. I appreciate that.

Speaker 10 What if you shave? Give it a haircut. Oh.

Speaker 10 Shave the dog.

Speaker 1 Bald. I'd

Speaker 5 be grooming. I have thought, like, maybe

Speaker 5 a shorter haircut.

Speaker 7 What about if I shave?

Speaker 5 No, that has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 5 well no because you get the dog hair caught in your beard so maybe just a soul patch that has nothing to now now i i thought i was going to get good tips now everyone's just going to tell me shit

Speaker 1 soul patch

Speaker 1 i heard no one with a soul patch has ever been allergic to a dog but that might be ai but also i we should call fools allergic i never was allergic to this dog and then summertime and now she now now i'm allergic yeah you might

Speaker 1 i don't know man maybe you need to get tips you might tips you might need to get more dogs oh yes Beards can sometimes enhance allergies by trapping allergens, but only if they're not kept clean. Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 5 That means I just have to wash my beard more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but or shave it. I think soul patches.
Most people would say shave.

Speaker 5 Nope. No.

Speaker 1 Think about how easy it would be to wash your soul patch.

Speaker 5 Any like real AWLs out there who don't want to,

Speaker 5 real tips would be appreciated.

Speaker 4 Real tips only.

Speaker 5 Real tips. Because I'm just at the point where now I'm just, I'm just spending.
I'm just spending.

Speaker 1 So we need, all right, so just in summation, because we're going to do numbers in a second, but we need real tips only for Max's allergy problems and no pictures of him being fatter than Debo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Tomorrow's going to be a bad. I'm not going to look at it.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be online anymore.

Speaker 1 Save yourself up twice.

Speaker 1 Oh, all right.

Speaker 1 Number three. Three.
Oh, I think that was Hank.

Speaker 4 Birthday. Your birthday wish.

Speaker 1 It's birthday boy.

Speaker 4 My birthday wish, I'm going to use it in advance is for Hank to get number three.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do we got?

Speaker 9 It's like.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're looking at the levels?

Speaker 4 It's so close.

Speaker 1 But someone's got to be the winner.

Speaker 7 Ty goes to the birthday boy?

Speaker 7 Wilbur's on Ty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Hank. Oh, it's Hank.

Speaker 1 What would be your backup number? Six.

Speaker 1 Okay, is that your guess? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 8 I'll go 33.

Speaker 1 I'll go 68 for Brooks.

Speaker 10 What a finish. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Class.

Speaker 4 You need to get sweeper putter.

Speaker 5 Nah, I don't know. 30, 37.

Speaker 1 37? Okay.

Speaker 1 99 pug.

Speaker 1 17.

Speaker 1 51.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 16 Good luck, Hank. Happy birthday.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 If you get this, but if you birthday

Speaker 1 34.

Speaker 10 Thank you.

Speaker 1 So close. So close.
Damn. Memes you are never going to get it.

Speaker 7 All over this ball.

Speaker 1 Love you guys. Never.

Speaker 4 Love you guys.

Speaker 4 You do.